============================================================== Guild: Antares Development Initiative Channel: Associate Quarters / associate-office Topic: Anything related to ADI or PrUn goes here! ============================================================== [10-Dec-23 06:20 PM] Deleted User#0000 @cdgwaddell What did you have in mind for a base? [10-Dec-23 06:23 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Still figuring that out, I'm not sure if the 250k grant would cover establishing a 2nd base (I haven't sat down on prunplanner and the game to calculate that out), but my current base in promitor has moved towards Prefabs. I'm contemplating if we'd like to have fuel in Antares / looking at what seems to be lacking in the consumables... (I additionally make EXO / SUN / PE on promitor. I could go full PE but im not very trusting of prunplanners pricing / the economy doesn't move fast enough for that?) [10-Dec-23 06:23 PM] Deleted User#0000 Prunplanner's profit calculator is pretty consistent and accurate for the most part unless something drastic happens. [10-Dec-23 06:24 PM] Deleted User#0000 250k isn't an amount for a full base but it is definitely a start, depending on choice. [10-Dec-23 06:24 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I've noticed a few irregularities on some items, but mostly cause it's lacking data... [10-Dec-23 06:24 PM] Deleted User#0000 Have you set the pricing for the things you are looking at for the ANT cx buy/sell price? [10-Dec-23 06:25 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I could probably establish a very basic Fuel Depot, but I'm still contemplating. (I haven't gotten to prunplanner, I'm trying to identify the best planets / figure out where I want to go) [10-Dec-23 06:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 Prunplanner would definitely the best way to go about doing that in my opinion. [10-Dec-23 06:26 PM] Deleted User#0000 One option could be resource extraction, there's a consistent market for ores at the CX that pay a decent price. [10-Dec-23 06:27 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I was looking at that, my current base (https://prunplanner.org/plan/VH-331a/cc647329-bec1-4fb7-a070-3f8aac68ea5e) needs basic resources and a lot of people need them... [10-Dec-23 06:28 PM] Deleted User#0000 LST on Nike could be a good option as well. [10-Dec-23 06:29 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 It could be and I could establish a construction company over in Antares [10-Dec-23 06:29 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Meaning I could help us with future building supplies [10-Dec-23 06:29 PM] Deleted User#0000 If you could get a supply of AL to Nike you could setup PP2s into Bfabs. [10-Dec-23 06:30 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I was toying with my main plan to build in pp2s [10-Dec-23 06:30 PM] Deleted User#0000 I know Afka and sidepipe are working on Harmonia at the minute, they could work on C production to offset the cost and you could have a little vertical plan going on. [10-Dec-23 06:30 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 hold up @cleavingambiguity is here too [10-Dec-23 06:30 PM] Deleted User#0000 Yes. [10-Dec-23 06:31 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://tenor.com/Yz5W.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/buddy-happy-elf-will-ferrell-gif-12016082 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/N0pVQE8P5kRaNFtk5hYxM9BDmoTUtnUiqTkWvDj2-0s/https/media.tenor.com/9RIdskbVtcAAAAAe/buddy-happy.png [10-Dec-23 06:31 PM] Deleted User#0000 Essentially, there's plenty of options available. [10-Dec-23 06:31 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I was gonna burn him in the incinerator a few days ago [10-Dec-23 06:32 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Possibly, I was contemplating at some point dropping my farms and buying the agriculture so that I could expand the hub into more carbon production [10-Dec-23 06:32 PM] Deleted User#0000 C is probably the biggest expenditure next to AL. [10-Dec-23 06:32 PM] Deleted User#0000 I produce close to 200AL a day on Deimos but that's all tied up in a project unfortunately. [10-Dec-23 06:33 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Yes carbon is costly [10-Dec-23 06:33 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Right now my production is efficient enough that prunplanner says I make it for about 127ish in my currency [10-Dec-23 06:33 PM] Deleted User#0000 That's pretty good. [10-Dec-23 06:34 PM] Deleted User#0000 C sells for what, 600 on ANT at the minute? [10-Dec-23 06:34 PM] Deleted User#0000 620, with sell orders at 645. [10-Dec-23 06:34 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Yeah, if I had any carbon on me/my base at the time I would have sent it all over and put out an ask for it [10-Dec-23 06:34 PM] Deleted User#0000 Carbon production within ANT could be a very useful endeavour in that case. [10-Dec-23 06:35 PM] Deleted User#0000 We could potentially do something with Carbon. [10-Dec-23 06:35 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'd need to make a spreadsheet for it though to see for 100%. [10-Dec-23 06:36 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Let me look at a few things, check some costs I think I could rebuild my same base over on Antares if I find a decent enough base... But I'm not sure what the Antares bonus is [10-Dec-23 06:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 Antares bonus is electronics if I recall correctly. [10-Dec-23 06:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 Which isn't all that useful, to be honest. [10-Dec-23 06:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 You'd be better of looking for your COGC bonuses. [10-Dec-23 06:37 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I think Insitor is agriculture bonuses? [10-Dec-23 06:37 PM] Deleted User#0000 https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/headquarters/index.html#faction-bonuses {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/headquarters/index.html Headquarters :: Prosperous Universe Wiki Prosperous Universe Wiki [10-Dec-23 06:38 PM] Deleted User#0000 Antares Initiative: 10% bonus on electronics Castillo-Ito Mercantile: 10% bonus on manufacturing Insitor Cooperative: 6% bonus on agriculture, 4% on food industries NEO Charter Exploration: 4% bonus on metallurgy, 6% on construction No faction: 4% bonus each on chemistry, fuel refining and resource extraction [10-Dec-23 06:38 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Ah right right, I'll forget it in a few days [10-Dec-23 06:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 Anyway, I'm getting off for the night. [10-Dec-23 06:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'll probably create up a plan draft tomorrow and we'll go from there. [10-Dec-23 06:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 It isn't like we are in a rush with your flight time anyway. [10-Dec-23 06:40 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Have a good one, I'm contemplating which planet to establish the next base on. Harmonia could allow decent carbon and jump me into Prefabs [10-Dec-23 06:41 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 But Nike has the LST which I believe is a major component of my Prefabs so I might be able to do something with that [10-Dec-23 06:41 PM] Deleted User#0000 LST is needed for Bfabs yes. [10-Dec-23 06:42 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I'll setup a plan for Nike, we can always import my carbon from the HUB and have Antares be the construction base. [10-Dec-23 06:56 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/9e17f0a1-6bd1-4d67-921b-433802a70743 with this, I'd slowly plan to move the production at my first base to have more carbon or increase prefab production by bring some lst back, and then focus on making prefabs here Edit: we'd prob wanna do the EXT and BMP first so it starts profitable and I move into PP1 on the 2nd base, not sure yet. [12-Dec-23 04:27 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Oh yeah, forgot to mention Antra X landed at Antares station this morning. [12-Dec-23 10:27 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Yes ๐Ÿ˜… {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1184350919454892052/image.png?ex=6814f27f&is=6813a0ff&hm=410fa3ce2c2adbdadea86ce86a312ad078b7a23d484753b94530e6ae5f52928a& [12-Dec-23 10:43 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 That's is the plan, I still haven't figured out how to join AI so I can recieve my grant when australis gets on next. Then I'll be setting up in Nike [13-Dec-23 01:37 AM] Deleted User#0000 Lmao [13-Dec-23 02:16 AM] Deleted User#0000 There's some delays to funding while I wait for a project to pay out. [13-Dec-23 02:16 AM] Deleted User#0000 Had to dump 2mil AIC into a base on short notice, plus two delayed payouts. [13-Dec-23 02:18 AM] Deleted User#0000 As soon as that's sorted the money will start flowing. [13-Dec-23 03:48 AM] Deleted User#0000 I can float some in the intrim? [13-Dec-23 04:32 AM] Deleted User#0000 If you'd be so kind as to help them out, sure. [13-Dec-23 04:33 AM] Deleted User#0000 They have pro I'm guessing? [13-Dec-23 04:33 AM] Deleted User#0000 Yes. [13-Dec-23 04:34 AM] Deleted User#0000 @here If your awaiting a grant from Australis please send me contracts for AIC, And please remember I can only hand out as much as I make and as fast as I make it Same username [13-Dec-23 04:36 AM] Deleted User#0000 And please state in the contract that it is a part of the AGP [13-Dec-23 04:37 AM] Deleted User#0000 I'll get back to you with the funds whenever AFC does their split. [13-Dec-23 04:37 AM] Deleted User#0000 Next week will be easier since CAAP starts up as well. [13-Dec-23 04:38 AM] Deleted User#0000 Lol, (I'm planning on getting a new base and free ship, don't worry) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [13-Dec-23 04:38 AM] Deleted User#0000 I'd like to get another base soon as well, but I have Rise to pay off. [13-Dec-23 04:39 AM] Deleted User#0000 Lol, thats why you get them for free, dumb dumb [13-Dec-23 04:43 AM] Deleted User#0000 I mean yeah maybe that would've been a smart decision, but at the same time, I don't think it is really a time sensitive debt. [13-Dec-23 04:43 AM] Deleted User#0000 https://tenor.com/view/i-used-to-be-just-like-you-kid-jack-harlow-tyler-herro-song-i-was-like-you-when-i-was-younger-i-used-to-be-the-same-gif-21825102 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/i-used-to-be-just-like-you-kid-jack-harlow-tyler-herro-song-i-was-like-you-when-i-was-younger-i-used-to-be-the-same-gif-21825102 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/bXpoLWB9xppNr_HaRQYllI4UmB0oqxrSEAuQvnJgjHE/https/media.tenor.com/7hTjKNt80HYAAAAe/i-used-to-be-just-like-you-kid-jack-harlow.png [13-Dec-23 04:45 AM] Deleted User#0000 https://tenor.com/view/we-didnt-rob-a-bank-bank-robbery-hector-navarro-gns-geek-and-sundry-gif-13582928 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/we-didnt-rob-a-bank-bank-robbery-hector-navarro-gns-geek-and-sundry-gif-13582928 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Fh0ZMO8_baxqgv8bQLJfu8nIfYx92hwDOqGKhib-ZhM/https/media.tenor.com/ZbgNCjIz6Z4AAAAe/we-didnt-rob-a-bank-bank-robbery.png [13-Dec-23 04:47 AM] Deleted User#0000 I've only paid for 2 of these, lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1184446545488257025/image.png?ex=6814a2ce&is=6813514e&hm=873a087e8b3e9d206b64f982b0addda92302144b64107f39bbd3405425e57af6& [13-Dec-23 04:47 AM] Deleted User#0000 3 sorry [13-Dec-23 04:55 AM] Deleted User#0000 I've paid for 3 out if 4 of mine. [13-Dec-23 04:55 AM] Deleted User#0000 I've paid for 3 out if 4 of mine. [13-Dec-23 04:55 AM] Deleted User#0000 I've paid for 3 out if 4 of mine. [13-Dec-23 04:55 AM] Deleted User#0000 I've paid for 3 out if 4 of mine. [13-Dec-23 04:55 AM] Deleted User#0000 I've paid for 3 out if 4 of mine. [13-Dec-23 04:55 AM] Deleted User#0000 I've paid for 3 out if 4 of mine. [13-Dec-23 04:55 AM] Deleted User#0000 I've paid for 3 out if 4 of mine. [13-Dec-23 04:55 AM] Deleted User#0000 I've paid for 3 out if 4 of mine. [13-Dec-23 04:55 AM] Deleted User#0000 I've paid for 3 out if 4 of mine. [13-Dec-23 04:55 AM] Deleted User#0000 I've paid for 3 out if 4 of mine. [13-Dec-23 04:55 AM] Deleted User#0000 I've paid for 3 out if 4 of mine. [13-Dec-23 04:55 AM] Deleted User#0000 I've paid for 3 out if 4 of mine. [13-Dec-23 04:55 AM] Deleted User#0000 I've paid for 3 out if 4 of mine. [13-Dec-23 04:56 AM] Deleted User#0000 https://tenor.com/view/iamtonytalks-tonytalks-antonio-baldwin-calling-call-the-police-gif-12385006250024902415 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/iamtonytalks-tonytalks-antonio-baldwin-calling-call-the-police-gif-12385006250024902415 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/dpS1jTEvTyASUisaqA_vHDo9kXjZNlp8ZT14eq1StNA/https/media.tenor.com/q-BhkNm6Hw8AAAAe/iamtonytalks-tonytalks.png [13-Dec-23 04:56 AM] Deleted User#0000 press one if you cannot talk! [13-Dec-23 04:58 AM] Deleted User#0000 https://tenor.com/view/irs-taxes-warfare-suited-up-gif-26196595 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/irs-taxes-warfare-suited-up-gif-26196595 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/fqzKPnJAFSAf-P-4J4rxGb_NuIqlCuyRU3XU2c7jks0/https/media.tenor.com/K8gfTqHexKIAAAAe/irs-taxes.png [13-Dec-23 07:02 AM] Deleted User#0000 Not sure what happened there. [13-Dec-23 07:59 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 Ah no worries, I figured something like that happened. I'll get in touch with @Deleted User in a bit [13-Dec-23 07:59 AM] Deleted User#0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfR9iY5y94s&list=PLfrrIQPNXo4IoZwGyrVzGf8VXghWpkeW1&index=17 {Embed} MenAtWorkVEVO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfR9iY5y94s Men At Work - Down Under (Official HD Video) Men At Work's official HD music video for "Down Under" As featured on Contraband: The Best of Men At Work. Click to buy the track or album via iTunes: http://smarturl.it/MAWContraband?IQid... Google Play: http://smarturl.it/MAWDUGPlay?IQid=Me... Amazon: http://smarturl.it/MAWContrabandAmazo... 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[13-Dec-23 08:30 AM] Deleted User#0000 *Got [13-Dec-23 08:32 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 That can work too, I'll have a list up of what materials are needed in a second [13-Dec-23 08:32 AM] Deleted User#0000 Gotcha [13-Dec-23 08:34 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 Note: I'll probably be able to supply my the missing HB1 + PP1 fabs later on, but to be within the grant and have a few days of supplies I chose to drop those from the plan. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1184503598864937110/image.png?ex=6814d7f0&is=68138670&hm=a19539e2a1e82f520f2ffa2a649a221978e30d5a317829f4c8fff7d1aec362b8& [13-Dec-23 08:35 AM] Deleted User#0000 What am I looking at? [13-Dec-23 08:36 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 The bottom lists which FABS / Materials I'm looking for [13-Dec-23 08:36 AM] Deleted User#0000 Is this supposed to be your whole new base? [13-Dec-23 08:36 AM] Deleted User#0000 Add some more, I can get you almost everything [13-Dec-23 08:37 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 You want me to build it out some more? [14-Dec-23 09:07 AM] Deleted User#0000 We make a lot of BBH and BSE. {Reactions} โค๏ธ [14-Dec-23 09:07 AM] Deleted User#0000 Maybe even a little too much. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜… [14-Dec-23 09:08 AM] Deleted User#0000 I also now get lfabs as well but not in the same amount. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [14-Dec-23 02:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 @Deleted User https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BSfBEAAWEc&pp=ygUeSSBoYXZlIGEgYm9vbiB0byBwaWNrIHdpdGggeW91 {Embed} Dan Bull https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BSfBEAAWEc MINECRAFT SKELETON RAP | "I've Got A Bone" | Dan Bull Animated Musi... Go and watch the brand new creeper rap remix NOW! โ–บ https://youtu.be/cvplq7CNr-g Creeper Rap. Enderman Rap. Zombie Pigman Rap. Skeleton Rap. โ–บ More Minecraft songs here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwQDSRN0v-fepzxN3g5CVk0T6L4zLejyV โ–บ Music by JL Ortega Beatz https://jlortegabeatz.com/ โ–บ Follow and listen to "I've Got A Bone" on my Min... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/fgd8rj8XGV6vyt7ndJkx5vUAZB8UT0TbQ-O0GspazWw/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/6BSfBEAAWEc/maxresdefault.jpg [14-Dec-23 02:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 Your feeding my splurging issues with this Initiative! [14-Dec-23 03:06 PM] Deleted User#0000 Hm? [14-Dec-23 03:12 PM] Deleted User#0000 Lol, a unintended joke [15-Dec-23 09:14 AM] Deleted User#0000 Good news - payday today and Saturday. [15-Dec-23 09:14 AM] Deleted User#0000 If anyone hasn't gotten a loan, let me know. @AGP [15-Dec-23 12:31 PM] sidepipe#0000 I havenโ€™t gotten a loan - didnโ€™t even know those were available ๐Ÿ™‚ [15-Dec-23 12:31 PM] sidepipe#0000 What are the terms? [16-Dec-23 02:37 PM] Deleted User#0000 No payback date, no interest? (Incase you haven't got a response?) [19-Dec-23 04:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 @AGP 2 million AIC available for grants. [19-Dec-23 04:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 Give me a shout for your grant if you haven't, I'll be fulfilling tonight and tomorrow. [19-Dec-23 04:51 PM] sidepipe#0000 Hey @Deleted User, I havenโ€™t received a grant yet [19-Dec-23 04:51 PM] sidepipe#0000 How much are you offering? Iโ€™ve been eyeing a chemical plant / lab base on Griffonstone [19-Dec-23 06:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 250/500k AIC [19-Dec-23 06:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 My Griffon base costed me 3,339,552.00 AIC. [19-Dec-23 07:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 @sidepipe What did you plan to make on Griffon chem wise? [19-Dec-23 07:46 PM] sidepipe#0000 Just starting with H2O + HAL -> Cl and NA for right now [19-Dec-23 07:46 PM] sidepipe#0000 hoping to build to DDT eventually, but that won't happen all at once ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Dec-23 07:47 PM] Deleted User#0000 This was the plan for my 12 lab ddt base. [19-Dec-23 07:47 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1186847326325710908/image.png?ex=6814ccf5&is=68137b75&hm=eb3bca06cc1af3120bfae01b520a2f36d7cb42055bed01f6826792eb066dc54c& [19-Dec-23 07:47 PM] Deleted User#0000 Hence the 3.3 million. [19-Dec-23 07:48 PM] Deleted User#0000 64ddt a day roughly without full experts. [19-Dec-23 07:49 PM] sidepipe#0000 makes sense - and this is no chem plants right, just labs? [19-Dec-23 07:50 PM] Deleted User#0000 Labs only. [19-Dec-23 07:52 PM] sidepipe#0000 I'll have to play around in prunplanner a bit more. I definitely don't need to hit 64 DDT a day - not yet anyway [19-Dec-23 07:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 Profit margins aren't great on its own since you need to provide CL. [19-Dec-23 07:52 PM] sidepipe#0000 as of right now, I'd need max 7-8 a day [19-Dec-23 07:52 PM] sidepipe#0000 input for HER for flavored rations [19-Dec-23 07:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 90k a day for the CL consumption alone. [19-Dec-23 07:54 PM] sidepipe#0000 hence HAL to CL ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Dec-23 07:54 PM] sidepipe#0000 i know a guy for HAL. just need to figure out if it makes more sense to start with just chem plants, or to do very small scale DDT to start [19-Dec-23 08:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 How much Cl does your base use? [19-Dec-23 08:03 PM] Deleted User#0000 22.5/d [19-Dec-23 08:08 PM] sidepipe#0000 Gotcha. Was gonna ask if you were interested in outsourcing that, but thatโ€™s maybe a bit more scale than I can build right now ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Dec-23 08:08 PM] Deleted User#0000 I get it provided for free either way. [19-Dec-23 08:09 PM] Deleted User#0000 I keep a buffer of a 7-10 days at a time. [19-Dec-23 08:13 PM] sidepipe#0000 Wonder how many tons of chlorine that is - I wouldnโ€™t want to work near those tanks [19-Dec-23 08:14 PM] Deleted User#0000 774 tons. [19-Dec-23 08:45 PM] sidepipe#0000 Here's what I've been looking at - just three CHP to start with, costs around ~303k {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1186862000496709762/image.png?ex=6814da9f&is=6813891f&hm=f94fbb17f2594fd5b4a813544e325f014092f1ededbf1e20329c81928e4d3e89& [19-Dec-23 08:46 PM] sidepipe#0000 are you okay with a 250k grant? I can make up the difference once some of my CX orders clear ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Dec-23 08:48 PM] Deleted User#0000 Contract sent. [19-Dec-23 08:50 PM] sidepipe#0000 Thanks! [19-Dec-23 08:50 PM] sidepipe#0000 You didn't have to terminate, I would have bought you a ration ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Dec-23 08:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 I have 7000 just sitting at ANT lol. [19-Dec-23 08:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 Not a big deal. [20-Dec-23 07:02 PM] Deleted User#0000 Finally decided to have a look at the leaderboards. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1187198430339145749/image.png?ex=6814c272&is=681370f2&hm=8a987319c2c96eeb4290406ebb93bbc79b4e2dcb3b6ff3a542537b88fb27b3b1& {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ [20-Dec-23 08:53 PM] sidepipe#0000 Would you be selling 26 of those BBH? I can come pick them up at ANT or elsewhere [20-Dec-23 08:54 PM] Deleted User#0000 Send a cont for 26 at ANT for 1 AIC. [20-Dec-23 08:56 PM] sidepipe#0000 Thanks! I'm happy to pay more for them, but I suppose it's just your grant money coming back to you anyway ๐Ÿ˜„ [20-Dec-23 08:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm not going to charge you for something like that honestly. [20-Dec-23 08:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 It doesn't benefit me anywhere near as much as it would just giving it to you, lol. [20-Dec-23 08:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 Most people are kind enough like that typically. [20-Dec-23 08:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 Rent a warehouse at ANT so I can fulfill, no space. [20-Dec-23 08:58 PM] sidepipe#0000 oh duh, been meaning to do that anyway {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [20-Dec-23 09:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, I've found that with a lot of people I've talked to. I never really got into many MMOs, but I do like the community here. People have been pretty helpful and friendly [20-Dec-23 09:04 PM] Deleted User#0000 I try to give back since the only reason I still play this game is because @Deleted User helped me out. [20-Dec-23 09:04 PM] Deleted User#0000 The early game is really tough. [20-Dec-23 09:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 I believe it. Iโ€™m not sure if i would have enjoyed it as much with 40k and one farm ๐Ÿ˜„ [21-Dec-23 12:08 AM] Deleted User#0000 What did I do? [21-Dec-23 03:47 PM] ohs_#0000 Honestly, This community is way better than any other MMOs I have ever participated in. I do however believe that some of this friendlyness will go away when more people join the game and there are more money sinks for the top players [21-Dec-23 03:47 PM] ohs_#0000 for example, at the moment the majority of top players money sinks are helping out newer players and planet governance [21-Dec-23 03:48 PM] ohs_#0000 but eventually more money sinks will appear and the grants will most likely dissapear [21-Dec-23 03:48 PM] ohs_#0000 atleast some of them [21-Dec-23 04:24 PM] sidepipe#0000 Makes sense. When you say more money sinks, do you mean more sort of end game features, or just more new players with roughly the same supply of grants? [21-Dec-23 04:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 Money sinks as in what takes money out of the game. [21-Dec-23 04:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 At the minute there's very few things that take money out of play. [21-Dec-23 04:26 PM] Deleted User#0000 Market Makers on some commodities, HQ upgrades and APEX level upgrades. [21-Dec-23 04:26 PM] Deleted User#0000 You could count consumable upkeep for planets and such but I don't. [21-Dec-23 04:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 I was kinda wondering about inflation in the game in the longer term. It doesnโ€™t seem like thereโ€™s many ways to add money into the game either, except maybe for market makers again? [21-Dec-23 04:30 PM] sidepipe#0000 And 40k per new player [21-Dec-23 04:31 PM] sidepipe#0000 Or any faction quests where money in > money out [21-Dec-23 04:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 Clearly the only solution is fractional reserve banking ๐Ÿ˜„ [21-Dec-23 04:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 Gov! Lol [21-Dec-23 04:50 PM] Deleted User#0000 A week of just pop buildings, not cogc or other crap, lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1187527645169201324/image-68.png?ex=6814a38d&is=6813520d&hm=a1cc644d89baa58fd79e8bb597bc3bb6f5dd07ef2633d3bca70609726392a50f& [21-Dec-23 06:35 PM] Deleted User#0000 Market Makers add a lot of cash flow. [21-Dec-23 06:49 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1187557561302528112/image.png?ex=6814bf6a&is=68136dea&hm=8dd1d9b58272e833485cfc1d516fa0a0ac60b582f5bbd0e15b84a025228191d3& [21-Dec-23 06:49 PM] Deleted User#0000 https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/5Q8jewSPbLcEch1AB1BSchi-Q8OXmpKLNW7pdHzGyAA/https/media.tenor.com/FBsTPQt_59MAAAAe/reaction-my-eyes.png [23-Dec-23 05:21 AM] Deleted User#0000 @limp_wristed We currently offer up to 250k AIC for grants at the minute. [23-Dec-23 05:22 AM] Deleted User#0000 It'll increase within time but for now that's the goal. [23-Dec-23 05:22 AM] Deleted User#0000 If you are happy with this I'll send you a contract with the money. [23-Dec-23 05:23 AM] limp_wristed#0000 yes please! [23-Dec-23 05:26 AM] Deleted User#0000 @limp_wristed Contract sent, accept and I'll fulfill the payment and then just request termination. [23-Dec-23 05:27 AM] limp_wristed#0000 accepted [23-Dec-23 05:29 AM] Deleted User#0000 And now just terminate and enjoy the 250k. [23-Dec-23 05:30 AM] Deleted User#0000 We also have some items for sale at better prices if you have a look at #internal-offers that may help you, along with #trading for using the local market around ANT. [23-Dec-23 05:34 AM] limp_wristed#0000 gotcha, i'll play around with prunplanner to see what i should build and place an order for building materials once i do [23-Dec-23 05:34 AM] Deleted User#0000 Of course, any help you may need just ask. [23-Dec-23 05:34 AM] Deleted User#0000 I know we have a few people here on Harmonia and I'll be joining you as well soon, so, just ask. [23-Dec-23 05:38 AM] limp_wristed#0000 ty :) thankfully i do industry stuff in EVE so much of this seems kinda familiar ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [23-Dec-23 05:46 AM] limp_wristed#0000 i think my current plan is i'll expand my RAT production a bit, start making KOM, move some of my farming to HYF and start producing RCO in preparation for an OVE / PWO base on Hephaestus later {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [23-Dec-23 05:47 AM] Deleted User#0000 Pretty good idea. [23-Dec-23 05:47 AM] limp_wristed#0000 and then either move food production to Norwick or look into making my own PG [23-Dec-23 06:21 AM] Deleted User#0000 @znojan [23-Dec-23 06:22 AM] znojan#0000 yes [23-Dec-23 06:23 AM] Deleted User#0000 Some useful information above, let me know if you rae interested in the grant program. ^^ [23-Dec-23 06:25 AM] znojan#0000 I am interested in the grant program. What is the grant's: purpose, reporting obligations and timeline? [23-Dec-23 06:25 AM] Deleted User#0000 250k AIC, looking to increase to 500k at some point. [23-Dec-23 06:25 AM] Deleted User#0000 Other than that there's zero obligation. [23-Dec-23 06:27 AM] znojan#0000 okay. i will use the funds to develop a mining operation and production line focusing on ores, metals and alloys. [23-Dec-23 06:58 AM] Deleted User#0000 Cont sent. [23-Dec-23 06:58 AM] Deleted User#0000 Just terminate after I send the money. ^^ [23-Dec-23 06:59 AM] znojan#0000 so i accept [23-Dec-23 06:59 AM] znojan#0000 and then terminate after? [23-Dec-23 07:00 AM] znojan#0000 ah i see [23-Dec-23 07:00 AM] Deleted User#0000 Yep. [23-Dec-23 07:01 AM] znojan#0000 rich af now [23-Dec-23 09:46 AM] znojan#0000 do we have any HQ on ZV-759c? [23-Dec-23 10:06 AM] Deleted User#0000 Anyone having problems with Prunplanner, seems the new ui is imploding on itsself [23-Dec-23 02:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 @Project Member We now have @FIDO to work with, he is an extremely powerful beep boop that can be pretty handy, especially for group work. [23-Dec-23 02:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 If you want to use them, please keep commands to #bot-spam or #deleted-channel and use ```$help``` for more information. [23-Dec-23 02:37 PM] Deleted User#0000 *cough* don't forget to setup the fio groups now *cough* (atleast if you want any advanced features) [23-Dec-23 02:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 We aren't running anything that'd require groups atm but I'll remember it for the future. [23-Dec-23 02:41 PM] Deleted User#0000 #justsaying {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [23-Dec-23 02:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-hayden-christensen-anakin-skywalker-what-have-i-done-regret-gif-4921985 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-hayden-christensen-anakin-skywalker-what-have-i-done-regret-gif-4921985 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/FsEle2UWZKkgNpHQCfSyJ7WgKGxCrDivYxLjd4xnr_Y/https/media.tenor.com/xQAbTlPn8wwAAAAe/star-wars-hayden-christensen.png [24-Dec-23 12:29 AM] Deleted User#0000 I'll be joining you on Harmonia in... two hours. @sidepipe @cleavingambiguity [24-Dec-23 12:29 AM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1188367887442923560/image.png?ex=68150f17&is=6813bd97&hm=73480d96915a7267409a41b7a2aaa33ce1e51d4399d99d351ff2806695e42df6& {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ [24-Dec-23 01:18 AM] sidepipe#0000 Getting into farming as well? [24-Dec-23 01:20 AM] Deleted User#0000 12 FRM on Harmonia, and 21 HYF on Life. [24-Dec-23 02:54 AM] sidepipe#0000 That sounds pretty familiar ๐Ÿ˜„ [24-Dec-23 02:54 AM] sidepipe#0000 I have 13 FRM on harmonia and Afka is building HYF on Norwick [24-Dec-23 11:16 AM] Deleted User#0000 Whose contacts are still pending? [24-Dec-23 11:16 AM] Deleted User#0000 Red899? [24-Dec-23 11:16 AM] Deleted User#0000 Nvm, sorry [27-Dec-23 02:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 Anyone here making con. mats./parts or adv. consum. [29-Dec-23 05:16 AM] limp_wristed#0000 yay, managed to fill out the first 500 area on Harmonia {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (3) [29-Dec-23 12:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 Now you need to fill out your next planet, and then one after that, lol [29-Dec-23 12:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 I just filled out Life and I'll be moving to Harmonia hopefully next week. [29-Dec-23 12:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 Lol, I've been sent to the middle of nowhere to make a h tap, [29-Dec-23 12:54 PM] Deleted User#0000 (Luckily I get a free ship out of it) [29-Dec-23 12:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 Rise didn't drag you into that one, did he? [29-Dec-23 12:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 He tried to get me to do that alongside my Griffon base. [29-Dec-23 12:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 Rise and parys [29-Dec-23 12:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 Are you replacing Mike? [29-Dec-23 12:56 PM] Deleted User#0000 ? No idea [29-Dec-23 12:56 PM] Deleted User#0000 This is a private deal, not part of AA [29-Dec-23 12:56 PM] Deleted User#0000 Ah okay. [29-Dec-23 12:56 PM] Deleted User#0000 KI-401d, though, right? [29-Dec-23 12:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 Since if so I'd imagine you are replacing Mike who was the dedicated H guy on there who quit recently. [29-Dec-23 12:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 Yes the middle of God knows where [29-Dec-23 12:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 Lol. [29-Dec-23 12:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 Like a day from any cx [29-Dec-23 12:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 It's taken 6 days just to get the construction mats there [29-Dec-23 12:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 WU-882 i is basically the same level of H and is much closer to the CX, I'd imagine. [29-Dec-23 12:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1190368386023170118/image.png?ex=681515f3&is=6813c473&hm=ffe50bbfddd3502f1abd69a906b3a7d6da13b360f85947bd7b25218ee79dddf0& [29-Dec-23 12:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 Never mind, the lines lied to me. [29-Dec-23 12:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 WU is also in the middle of nowhere, Paris berated me into building a base there too. [29-Dec-23 12:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 Lol [29-Dec-23 12:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 I thought they connected up right but unfortunately no they don't. [29-Dec-23 12:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 So you've been groomed into two new bases? [29-Dec-23 12:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 Lol, more in the maaling [29-Dec-23 01:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 (Rise just keeps bribing me with ships until I'm indebted to him for my foreseeable future) [29-Dec-23 01:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 That's how it usually goes. [29-Dec-23 01:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 God forbid he ever collects. [29-Dec-23 01:01 PM] Deleted User#0000 Lucky me, he's quite scared of baseball bats after his incident, lol [29-Dec-23 01:01 PM] Deleted User#0000 Do I want to know? [29-Dec-23 01:01 PM] Deleted User#0000 No [29-Dec-23 01:01 PM] Deleted User#0000 Gotcha. [29-Dec-23 01:02 PM] Deleted User#0000 The worst he could do now is barate me with bases until I've spent 40 million on hq upgrades alone [29-Dec-23 01:03 PM] Deleted User#0000 I think I've got another few bases to setup in January for CAAP. [29-Dec-23 01:03 PM] Deleted User#0000 Going to need another ship soon. [29-Dec-23 01:04 PM] Deleted User#0000 I want to wangle a free afc or RR base [29-Dec-23 01:04 PM] Deleted User#0000 Need to wait for parys to be in a good mood, lmfao [29-Dec-23 01:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 Rise just added 4 bases to AFC the other day. [29-Dec-23 01:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 Hence Harmonia and Life. [29-Dec-23 01:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 Although he isn't paying for them, at least not for mine. [29-Dec-23 01:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 I've learnt you need to deal with them like you deal with cancer, let it fester and loom in the air then right before the anticipation kills one of you, you drop Nagasaki on it 10 fold [29-Dec-23 01:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm sure Rise would LOVE that. [29-Dec-23 01:09 PM] Deleted User#0000 https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/_GnhZEqJYZQla0FcCd9ikk1KkslsQCxcsJ2RoVFSHfs/https/media.tenor.com/InrbppWYBB0AAAAe/america-hurricane.png [30-Dec-23 06:47 PM] Deleted User#0000 @avalock Welcome! I'll get in touch with you in a few days for your grant, you are more than welcome to speak to anyone or introduce yourself, there's a few things here and there in channels you may be interested in, such as #internal-offers #deleted-channel etc. [30-Dec-23 06:48 PM] Deleted User#0000 Red, Afka, Sidepipe and myself are all on Harmonia (or I will be when my ship lands), so you have some people on the same planet. [30-Dec-23 06:49 PM] avalock#0000 Awesome, this gives me very "Eve University" vibes with the grants and internal shtuff. I like it :3 [30-Dec-23 06:50 PM] Deleted User#0000 Admittedly this place doesn't get used much after the grants are given and such but it is always nice to see how far people have gotten afterwards. [30-Dec-23 06:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 I know we have an individual or two in line for a starter ship upgrade. [30-Dec-23 06:53 PM] avalock#0000 neat, I'll look into those in a bit most likely :woopsNote: Going to note out my plan in something quick so I have long term goals and short term goals [30-Dec-23 06:54 PM] avalock#0000 and then put costs to 'em [30-Dec-23 06:54 PM] Deleted User#0000 Have you been introduced to prunplanner? [30-Dec-23 06:54 PM] avalock#0000 Yeah! that's what I'm using :hehe: {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [30-Dec-23 06:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 Just wanted to make sure you weren't sat there trying to work it out by hand. [30-Dec-23 06:55 PM] avalock#0000 Ahhhhh nah, I'm not smart enough and I sold my TI-84 a long time ago :giggle: [30-Dec-23 06:55 PM] avalock#0000 my next move is probably to go to Antares II e to set up a fuel base [30-Dec-23 06:57 PM] limp_wristed#0000 it's weird seeing the community be generous with like, everyone though. I remember having access to a lot of free stuff when i was starting out in eve but it was all internal. You're not really competing with other players in prun though so it makes sense [30-Dec-23 07:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 This game has a real hard time keeping new players interested and involved. [30-Dec-23 07:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 If people weren't willing to help out the new people I think there'd be much less going on. [30-Dec-23 07:02 PM] avalock#0000 yeah :hehe: idk how old this game is, it does seem like it would be hard to grasp new players. but idk I really like "line goes up" [30-Dec-23 07:04 PM] Deleted User#0000 I think the current universe is 2.7 years old. [30-Dec-23 07:04 PM] avalock#0000 Ooo neat :woopsNote: [30-Dec-23 07:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 Alpha started in 2017, ended in 2018 with first access, turned free to play (they opened up the "free" part of the game instead of forcing pro") in 2019, and updated through to 2023 within early access. [30-Dec-23 07:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 https://prosperousuniverse.com/releases {Embed} https://prosperousuniverse.com/releases Prosperous Universe | The Economic Space MMO In Prosperous Universe, you are the CEO of your own spacefaring company. Explore the galaxy, design spaceships, forge alliances, and most importantly: produce, trade, transport, and profit. Manage your business through a highly customizable user interface named APEX, accessible via web browser. Contribute to a purely player-driven MMO economy in... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/iw6GWFhfbXVxv9pGxGE1JgF_0dDoqQLVZGppgAEL7-U/https/prosperousuniverse.com/og/image.jpg [30-Dec-23 07:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 You can read a bit more about it here if you want. [30-Dec-23 07:06 PM] avalock#0000 either way, I'm down to chill and stay. I dooo want to adventure outside of antares space, but also I would enjoy giving back to the area once I'm not a smol company [30-Dec-23 07:06 PM] Deleted User#0000 There's no real limitation as to where you can go, minus the starter planets that are full on plots. [30-Dec-23 07:07 PM] avalock#0000 idk why but this part just intrigues me even tho its far from commodity exchanges {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1190823398113300590/image.png?ex=6814c376&is=681371f6&hm=0a75c16f05e2b15c78f4b56efe74a8565f8f186dfa32e2657a894d6b893f157c& [30-Dec-23 07:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 I think we had one guy here exodus from all the way from Promitor to Nike with his first ships. [30-Dec-23 07:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 Think it was Waddles. [30-Dec-23 07:08 PM] Deleted User#0000 You could go up there. It isn't *advised* since it'd take maybe weeks to get a ship there, but, you could do it if you wanted to. [30-Dec-23 07:08 PM] avalock#0000 yeah this would be like... 5-6 months out imo [30-Dec-23 07:09 PM] Deleted User#0000 Anyway, anything you need I'm sure people here can help you out, @Deleted User does starter upgrades if you are interested in that, and I'll get back to you with your grant whenever I'm able to do so. [30-Dec-23 07:09 PM] Deleted User#0000 Feel free to ask any questions at any point. [30-Dec-23 07:09 PM] avalock#0000 :FingyGuns: sounds good, will do {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [30-Dec-23 07:15 PM] limp_wristed#0000 i def enjoy the idea of setting up a satellite base at one of the two frontier regions but there's definitely a ton of lower hanging fruit out there so seems like more of a thing you'd do for bragging rights [30-Dec-23 07:16 PM] limp_wristed#0000 esp something like that that's even less established [30-Dec-23 07:41 PM] limp_wristed#0000 i hit 25 contracts so i qualify for a loan from lowstrife now, which means it's second base time [30-Dec-23 07:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 Where are you thinking? [30-Dec-23 07:42 PM] limp_wristed#0000 Hephaestus [30-Dec-23 07:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 BMPs? [30-Dec-23 07:43 PM] limp_wristed#0000 WPL, BMP and POL [30-Dec-23 07:44 PM] limp_wristed#0000 making RCO, OVE + PWO and PG respectively [30-Dec-23 07:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 Fair enough, I may come to you for some consumables provided you don't have some surplus. [30-Dec-23 07:47 PM] limp_wristed#0000 probably also going to have to expand my harmonia base if i don't want to buy cotton off market [30-Dec-23 08:19 PM] limp_wristed#0000 or maybe not? cotton is kind of the least profitable thing for me to be producing on harmonia [30-Dec-23 08:20 PM] limp_wristed#0000 going to need to fiddle with this some more tomorrow [30-Dec-23 10:23 PM] Deleted User#0000 Yeah the profit margins with cotton isn't amazing unfortunately. [30-Dec-23 10:24 PM] Deleted User#0000 If you could secure a good inflow of cotton you'd be making quite a bit of profit through PWO. [30-Dec-23 11:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 Discord doesn't like this channel (what did I do and or miss) [30-Dec-23 11:36 PM] avalock#0000 Hello :MenheraWave: Astra just pinged you to lmk who to go to for ship upgrad things [30-Dec-23 11:38 PM] Deleted User#0000 Aha, the last thing I see is the `merica meme (It's either discord or my internet being confokulated) [30-Dec-23 11:38 PM] Deleted User#0000 Sorry [30-Dec-23 11:38 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: [30-Dec-23 11:38 PM] avalock#0000 no need to be sorry {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘Œ [30-Dec-23 11:57 PM] avalock#0000 is there a thing for ship upgrades/making blueprints? [30-Dec-23 11:57 PM] avalock#0000 like a knowledge base/wiki [30-Dec-23 11:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 People, lol [30-Dec-23 11:58 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: noted [30-Dec-23 11:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 And at the bottom of the blueprint your messing with is some extra details on speed etc. [30-Dec-23 11:59 PM] avalock#0000 ahhhh okay, i looked at the screen and got scared and was wondering if people made like cookie cutter builds that work well [30-Dec-23 11:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 Yes, they do [31-Dec-23 12:00 AM] Deleted User#0000 You want a few [31-Dec-23 12:00 AM] avalock#0000 :woopsNote: [31-Dec-23 12:00 AM] Deleted User#0000 I just stole these from someone else, but [31-Dec-23 12:00 AM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1190897355600433182/image-69.png?ex=68150857&is=6813b6d7&hm=3af77edcb1a8e2b8afcd9e7a857e51edeaf42e9efc0271fd4a8d3ebfb24cdb47& [31-Dec-23 12:01 AM] avalock#0000 ayyy thank you [31-Dec-23 12:01 AM] Deleted User#0000 Then upgrades I'd say the normal is the one I've got up [31-Dec-23 12:02 AM] Deleted User#0000 WCB LHP LFT MST [31-Dec-23 12:02 AM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1190897865363562526/image-124.png?ex=681508d0&is=6813b750&hm=43de8790f134d8b7b8c48ea42d139acd0f98dd3c117011cae065b25b03e75226& [31-Dec-23 12:03 AM] avalock#0000 just standard with high carry capacity [31-Dec-23 12:03 AM] Deleted User#0000 Yep and high fuel cap [31-Dec-23 12:04 AM] Deleted User#0000 And LHP to balance speed [31-Dec-23 12:04 AM] avalock#0000 ahhhh [31-Dec-23 12:04 AM] avalock#0000 yeah LHP sounds standard across the board with what you have [31-Dec-23 12:05 AM] Deleted User#0000 LHP is great other than transporting it. [31-Dec-23 12:05 AM] avalock#0000 :giggle: whyโ€™s that [31-Dec-23 12:06 AM] Deleted User#0000 You can't fit the amount you need for upgrade in a standard 500/500. [31-Dec-23 12:06 AM] avalock#0000 ahhhhhh okay [31-Dec-23 12:06 AM] Deleted User#0000 That's why you upgrade your ship [31-Dec-23 12:06 AM] Deleted User#0000 To haul more lhp to upgrade your ships [31-Dec-23 12:07 AM] Deleted User#0000 To haul more lhp to build ships [31-Dec-23 12:07 AM] Deleted User#0000 To haul more lhp to sell ships [31-Dec-23 12:07 AM] Deleted User#0000 To haul more lhp to upgrade ships [31-Dec-23 12:07 AM] avalock#0000 โ™พ๏ธ recursion [31-Dec-23 12:07 AM] Deleted User#0000 A cycle repeating [31-Dec-23 12:08 AM] Deleted User#0000 For a plot he can't decern [31-Dec-23 12:08 AM] avalock#0000 how much do you normally sell the ships for [31-Dec-23 12:08 AM] Deleted User#0000 I know a guy? [31-Dec-23 12:09 AM] avalock#0000 :hehe: sounds like an interesting business [31-Dec-23 12:09 AM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1190899621455728720/Screenshot_20231231-080915_Discord.jpg?ex=68150a73&is=6813b8f3&hm=665e2c444bfc33d08924c93c1f09d83fee47d4e56c06ede31478c9eca0df6c93& [31-Dec-23 12:09 AM] Deleted User#0000 "I know a guy". [31-Dec-23 12:10 AM] Deleted User#0000 We all know the guy [31-Dec-23 12:10 AM] Deleted User#0000 Except this guy [31-Dec-23 12:10 AM] Deleted User#0000 And what a guy he is. [31-Dec-23 12:10 AM] Deleted User#0000 And how willingly he will give you free shit [31-Dec-23 12:10 AM] Deleted User#0000 Making me spend 900k on MHL. [31-Dec-23 12:11 AM] Deleted User#0000 Wait, what [31-Dec-23 12:11 AM] Deleted User#0000 HYFs need MHL. [31-Dec-23 12:11 AM] Deleted User#0000 However I know a guy you don't, lol [31-Dec-23 12:11 AM] Deleted User#0000 And the guys that fall under that guy [31-Dec-23 12:11 AM] Deleted User#0000 You know Paris, I've never spoken to him. [31-Dec-23 12:12 AM] avalock#0000 i know no guys, i just have a shark and a bunny plush [31-Dec-23 12:12 AM] Deleted User#0000 Respectable. [31-Dec-23 12:12 AM] Deleted User#0000 (No, another guy) [31-Dec-23 12:12 AM] Deleted User#0000 Lmao [31-Dec-23 12:12 AM] Deleted User#0000 Another guy other than Rise or Paris? What are you, social? [31-Dec-23 12:12 AM] Deleted User#0000 Rue the idea [31-Dec-23 12:12 AM] Deleted User#0000 I need to know a guy who sells cheap carbon. [31-Dec-23 12:13 AM] Deleted User#0000 Purely business... or atleast debt [31-Dec-23 12:13 AM] avalock#0000 i plan on making carbon [31-Dec-23 12:13 AM] Deleted User#0000 What If you found the guy [31-Dec-23 12:13 AM] avalock#0000 :hehe: its my starter [31-Dec-23 12:13 AM] Deleted User#0000 Lol, or him [31-Dec-23 12:13 AM] Deleted User#0000 We had the guy.. but he's no longer accepting contracts for C. [31-Dec-23 12:13 AM] Deleted User#0000 What guy [31-Dec-23 12:14 AM] Deleted User#0000 I can make aforementioned guy a deal he can't refuse? [31-Dec-23 12:14 AM] Deleted User#0000 I'm good at that :) [31-Dec-23 12:14 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m unfortunately not that guy :giggle: probably one of the few girls playing prun [31-Dec-23 12:15 AM] Deleted User#0000 Aha, or that girl [31-Dec-23 12:15 AM] Deleted User#0000 Not sure what the proper English word is [31-Dec-23 12:15 AM] avalock#0000 same tbh [31-Dec-23 12:15 AM] Deleted User#0000 Aha, turns out I was almost in kak [31-Dec-23 12:16 AM] Deleted User#0000 Luckily my presumption paid off, lol [31-Dec-23 12:16 AM] avalock#0000 oh? [31-Dec-23 12:18 AM] Deleted User#0000 Afrikaans to English, and apparently I do not know the accurate translation [31-Dec-23 12:18 AM] Deleted User#0000 Or I'm right and Google is wrong... [31-Dec-23 12:19 AM] avalock#0000 oh i was wondering your presumption [31-Dec-23 12:19 AM] Deleted User#0000 Being a doos pays well for presumption [31-Dec-23 12:19 AM] Deleted User#0000 Lol [31-Dec-23 12:20 AM] avalock#0000 :giggle: interesting [31-Dec-23 12:24 AM] Deleted User#0000 Dark. [31-Dec-23 12:24 AM] Deleted User#0000 He just kinda doesn't exist. [31-Dec-23 12:24 AM] Deleted User#0000 But he's active on prun a lot. [31-Dec-23 12:27 AM] Deleted User#0000 Lmao, [31-Dec-23 12:27 AM] Deleted User#0000 But yeah I'm fully out of C and I need 200k to pay it off. [31-Dec-23 12:28 AM] Deleted User#0000 For a week of buffer, at least. [31-Dec-23 12:28 AM] Deleted User#0000 He has the stock he's just not accepting the cont. [31-Dec-23 12:28 AM] avalock#0000 that I cant produce yet unfortunately :pensivebread: [31-Dec-23 12:38 AM] Deleted User#0000 And if you ask Rogan? [31-Dec-23 12:38 AM] Deleted User#0000 How much do you need to start? [31-Dec-23 12:39 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™ve got 2 farms and 2 incinerators, i can do some maths tomorrow to see how much i would need to mass produce carbon [31-Dec-23 12:39 AM] avalock#0000 and a rig for water [31-Dec-23 12:40 AM] Deleted User#0000 @Deleted User What is it with you inviting people who don't use numbers, lol [31-Dec-23 12:40 AM] Deleted User#0000 Haha. [31-Dec-23 12:40 AM] Deleted User#0000 (he's trying to bankroll you) [31-Dec-23 12:40 AM] Deleted User#0000 (or groom you, whichever you prefer, really.) [31-Dec-23 12:41 AM] avalock#0000 OH :giggle: [31-Dec-23 12:41 AM] Deleted User#0000 Well so far sidepipe is the best with requesting money [31-Dec-23 12:42 AM] Deleted User#0000 However I am exploiting him and Afka (business wise) [31-Dec-23 12:42 AM] Deleted User#0000 Soooooo [31-Dec-23 12:42 AM] Deleted User#0000 You better not be. [31-Dec-23 12:43 AM] Deleted User#0000 https://tenor.com/view/summer-child-my-sweet-summer-child-old-nan-game-of-thrones-gif-5580217 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/summer-child-my-sweet-summer-child-old-nan-game-of-thrones-gif-5580217 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/uJJPpFxab4CFa2SQWt2Vy4XJGMkXjruu20nmYlwoeJU/https/media.tenor.com/DNoUNJ0a3PsAAAAe/summer-child-my-sweet-summer-child.png [31-Dec-23 12:44 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m bad at asking for capital:giggle: idk how much i would need to improve my operation [31-Dec-23 12:47 AM] Deleted User#0000 Well figure out how much [31-Dec-23 12:47 AM] Deleted User#0000 Lol [31-Dec-23 12:57 AM] avalock#0000 uhm construction seems to be around 200k if i did it right but thats 24 C/day [31-Dec-23 12:59 AM] Deleted User#0000 Now if you can get that up to 60, we are great. [31-Dec-23 12:59 AM] Deleted User#0000 Lol. [31-Dec-23 12:59 AM] avalock#0000 :woopsNote: i can run another thing in prunner one sec [31-Dec-23 01:14 AM] avalock#0000 looking at 600k with both luxuries being funded, and then like 65k for 5 days worth of worker consumables But the base would be self sufficent but it would be ~60/day or with MAI and no luxuries its 67/day @ 750k [31-Dec-23 01:15 AM] avalock#0000 with luxuries its 84/day [31-Dec-23 01:16 AM] avalock#0000 I could probably end up building off world farms so the efficiency doesn't get awful [31-Dec-23 01:18 AM] Deleted User#0000 Both luxuries funded? You don't ask for much, huh.. [31-Dec-23 01:18 AM] Deleted User#0000 Just kidding. [31-Dec-23 01:18 AM] avalock#0000 :hehe: [31-Dec-23 01:19 AM] Deleted User#0000 We can make something work out, I'm a bit strapped for cash due to a 2m Life base but I'll be sorted soon. [31-Dec-23 01:19 AM] avalock#0000 I mean the other route would be build farms on different planets and the cost drops to like 500k, and I just need an influx of MAI and HCP [31-Dec-23 02:39 AM] Deleted User#0000 So you need 1.6 [31-Dec-23 02:41 AM] Deleted User#0000 You'll get 250k from me when my money doesn't look like a horror movie. [31-Dec-23 02:41 AM] Deleted User#0000 We are NOT gaming at the minute. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1190937862074531870/image.png?ex=68148550&is=681333d0&hm=d19c99860c982defe2205c696859277d54c96dece8aafb2ec128e325caa6cd87& [31-Dec-23 02:42 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m grateful for the opportunity and understandable [31-Dec-23 02:43 AM] Deleted User#0000 @avalock Send me what you need, I'll arrange either the materials or money, I am working the whole of Monday and Tuesday so latest I'll get back to you is Wednesday [31-Dec-23 02:43 AM] avalock#0000 :FingyGuns: [31-Dec-23 02:43 AM] Deleted User#0000 I can pay off the consumable cost for you, maybe even help with shipping if I'm able to - I'd like to get you 2 weeks worth since that's the minimum I do for a new base. [31-Dec-23 02:44 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™ll get you a list of mats when i wake up [31-Dec-23 02:45 AM] Deleted User#0000 Got it [31-Dec-23 02:45 AM] avalock#0000 sounds good weโ€™ll figure the logistics out as the operation goes on {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [31-Dec-23 02:46 AM] Deleted User#0000 Sounds like a plan. [31-Dec-23 02:48 AM] Deleted User#0000 Just send me a list, my lackeys deal with the rest, lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [31-Dec-23 04:29 AM] limp_wristed#0000 alright looks like there's plenty of RCO on the CX so i'll proceed with not producing it myself to start {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [31-Dec-23 11:45 AM] avalock#0000 @Deleted User added the core cost by accident, here's what I really need 2nd is the total build plan {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1191074679545417910/image.png?ex=681504bc&is=6813b33c&hm=25f882bb09e917c590c4db2a5f80a2f230dfaa31386a715bcc4396a7a59766e5& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1191074679771897936/image.png?ex=681504bc&is=6813b33c&hm=dba310512170a0b6467029dd8d91bef749be1a2acc4e2cec8df797fd63e10301& [31-Dec-23 11:46 AM] avalock#0000 @Deleted User materials per day :hehe: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1191074910521524356/image.png?ex=681504f3&is=6813b373&hm=6a148b71040e3e36471398bf801f5d4d33838cb27381b04ef136a6f0edd99e95& [31-Dec-23 11:56 AM] limp_wristed#0000 huh, the base cost on the overview didn't match up with the cost on the construction shopping list. Does it also account for n days of materials, or something? [31-Dec-23 11:57 AM] avalock#0000 I subtracted what I already have [31-Dec-23 11:58 AM] limp_wristed#0000 nah i mean for the mats i just bought for my new base :p [31-Dec-23 11:58 AM] avalock#0000 Ohhhhh my bad [31-Dec-23 12:02 PM] Deleted User#0000 Not too bad, honestly. [31-Dec-23 12:12 PM] limp_wristed#0000 i solved the mystery. The construction cart cost less than the overview stated the base cost because it didn't include everything, for some reason [31-Dec-23 03:22 PM] Deleted User#0000 @avalock I'll dm you at some point, you'll have to send contracts because I'm back to basics. **Are you sure this is all you need?!** [31-Dec-23 03:23 PM] avalock#0000 uhm it seems like it, i donโ€™t want to ask for too much [31-Dec-23 03:23 PM] Deleted User#0000 Ask for what you need, [31-Dec-23 03:23 PM] Deleted User#0000 Pure and simple, lol [31-Dec-23 03:24 PM] avalock#0000 well thatโ€™s average price of everything i need to set up the base [31-Dec-23 03:24 PM] Deleted User#0000 Oh god... hear we go, lol [31-Dec-23 03:24 PM] avalock#0000 SORRY AA [31-Dec-23 03:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 Just jagging you, what else? [31-Dec-23 03:25 PM] avalock#0000 well would be good to set up farms on other planets so that way we donโ€™t have to buy off the market [31-Dec-23 03:26 PM] avalock#0000 and our efficiency on the main carbon planet isnt that bad [31-Dec-23 03:26 PM] avalock#0000 unless your lackeyโ€™s are farming [31-Dec-23 03:26 PM] Deleted User#0000 My lackeys do anything I need [31-Dec-23 03:26 PM] Deleted User#0000 My appys do double that [31-Dec-23 03:26 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: [31-Dec-23 03:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 https://tenor.com/view/number-harry-dumband-dummer-gif-19125767 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/number-harry-dumband-dummer-gif-19125767 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/h17F4eanOQsxCcY0BflYacubgJD0acjVZYH6wP_Bf9c/https/media.tenor.com/dgQfr1XSVfcAAAAe/number-harry.png [31-Dec-23 03:28 PM] avalock#0000 alright alright i got back into bed cause my social battery died [31-Dec-23 03:28 PM] Deleted User#0000 Lol, no rush, I'd just like to consult my budget... or lack thereof [31-Dec-23 03:28 PM] Deleted User#0000 Consult my appy who does my budget [31-Dec-23 03:29 PM] avalock#0000 your quant [31-Dec-23 03:29 PM] Deleted User#0000 Quantity? Of what? [31-Dec-23 03:29 PM] avalock#0000 thatโ€™s someone who like does market math to price in things months before it happens [31-Dec-23 03:30 PM] Deleted User#0000 Aha, I have other people without lives who do that for me [31-Dec-23 03:31 PM] Deleted User#0000 My ability to make people work for minimum wage extends beyond the reaches of morality [31-Dec-23 03:31 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: [31-Dec-23 03:32 PM] Deleted User#0000 National sports 101 [31-Dec-23 03:32 PM] Deleted User#0000 https://tenor.com/view/100percent-gif-18871183 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/100percent-gif-18871183 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/9z3kKnpcueDKjhOVdIPmdW-iXT6b4xpHvJH5fM1ZfCU/https/media.tenor.com/bzL_XJLg7YUAAAAe/100percent.png [31-Dec-23 03:37 PM] limp_wristed#0000 so i need all this stuff to finish my hephaestus base but i'm all out of money, could i get a loan / grant / mats for the rest {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1191133120410427513/image.png?ex=6814926a&is=681340ea&hm=8a1c723def2097f8ba31a7100097453e4f86ca32af628477b525482c8631c7bd& [31-Dec-23 03:38 PM] Deleted User#0000 Send contracts [31-Dec-23 03:38 PM] Deleted User#0000 Pick n pay doesn't close, lol [31-Dec-23 03:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183249178156089374/1190938186403303474 [31-Dec-23 03:41 PM] limp_wristed#0000 up [31-Dec-23 03:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'll check at work, anything else anyone else wants? [31-Dec-23 03:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 Some cookies if you wouldn't mind. [31-Dec-23 03:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 Hmm, [31-Dec-23 03:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 Bad idea [31-Dec-23 03:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 Lol [31-Dec-23 03:44 PM] Deleted User#0000 I can get you suit-kookies ๐Ÿคท [31-Dec-23 04:12 PM] Deleted User#0000 @avalock Anything consumable wise you need for your new base? [31-Dec-23 04:16 PM] avalock#0000 since you said your appies do double, I decided to double it :3 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1191142842454777938/image.png?ex=68149b78&is=681349f8&hm=b5f691d2a67ae43e9c0a2803bb90ef3caa836ab92688bb11d36764034c8832d1& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1191142842706448464/image.png?ex=68149b78&is=681349f8&hm=5fa91b275fa70673f3763ed94e28d4f5b29af5dafefb11906d8e869a890ee8fd& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1191142842937126983/image.png?ex=68149b78&is=681349f8&hm=e6242c119de3bf10a438babcb67d374101b4235096e27cf7144964b4490f0b4f& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1191142843209764905/image.png?ex=68149b78&is=681349f8&hm=17ffb480dad60197da339fb6b0e74dbb55fedbcd1620e2efa3345ace00ee903d& [31-Dec-23 04:16 PM] avalock#0000 3rd panel is 10 days worth of supplies for that base set up [31-Dec-23 04:16 PM] Deleted User#0000 Now *that's* the spirit. [31-Dec-23 04:17 PM] avalock#0000 its 18 incinerators, 5 rigs, 10 farms, 18 HB1's and 1 core upgrade [31-Dec-23 04:17 PM] Deleted User#0000 Throw lux consumables in there as well, I'll have 4-5k RAT and DW coming in within the next few days. [31-Dec-23 04:17 PM] avalock#0000 there {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1191143183611068556/image.png?ex=68149bc9&is=68134a49&hm=ff957e75464650fb0737f2ea0b73117cbfe1ec056c7b730ed8e34ef0d36c9956& [31-Dec-23 04:19 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'll get all the consumables to you in the next day or so. [31-Dec-23 04:20 PM] avalock#0000 Awesome [31-Dec-23 04:20 PM] avalock#0000 I'm making GRN on my side, and I have extra water I can send you too [31-Dec-23 04:20 PM] Deleted User#0000 And after that point obviously we sell consumables at a fixed rate lower than CX (meaning I make a loss), so you'd be covered on PIO consumables. [31-Dec-23 04:21 PM] Deleted User#0000 I use about 1.5k a day in terms of water. [31-Dec-23 04:21 PM] avalock#0000 yeah I figure that Carbon can cover some of the consumable costs and then we find a difference when it comes to the costs to offset everything [31-Dec-23 04:21 PM] Deleted User#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183249045624471582/1183278338672951347 [31-Dec-23 04:22 PM] Deleted User#0000 May need updating since 10d isn't technically two weeks but I go by 10d for two weeks since that's the interval between when I get my payouts and such. [31-Dec-23 04:23 PM] Deleted User#0000 Either way, the rates will stay the same unless KOM jumps up to 5k again in which case we are all a bit out of luck on that one. [31-Dec-23 04:26 PM] avalock#0000 :woopsNote: [31-Dec-23 04:26 PM] avalock#0000 for KOM would that be the DW part? [31-Dec-23 04:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 KOM is Kombucha, Settlers use it as a lux consumable. [31-Dec-23 04:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 ANT supply of KOM often isn't as big as the demand for KOM so the prices can get really high. [31-Dec-23 04:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 It has settled down now to 1k but it was up to 5k per unit of KOM not too long ago. [31-Dec-23 04:28 PM] Deleted User#0000 That'd mean.. 50k a day cost just for KOM on a 1000 SET base. [31-Dec-23 04:28 PM] avalock#0000 Ahhhhh okay okay [31-Dec-23 04:29 PM] Deleted User#0000 Hence the consumable limits, as much as I like helping out I don't want my bank account getting emptied due to KOM prices. Lol. [31-Dec-23 04:30 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm not Engels but I can get you the stuff [31-Dec-23 04:32 PM] Deleted User#0000 @avalock Guess what! Your now a appy on my bankroll, congrats ๐ŸŽ‰ [31-Dec-23 04:32 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: [31-Dec-23 04:32 PM] avalock#0000 is there a corp I can join [31-Dec-23 04:32 PM] Deleted User#0000 Hmm? [31-Dec-23 04:32 PM] Deleted User#0000 Quite a few [31-Dec-23 04:33 PM] avalock#0000 Well I figure bonuses would be neat [31-Dec-23 04:33 PM] avalock#0000 for producing carbon or smthing [31-Dec-23 04:33 PM] Deleted User#0000 GTU has a lovely man by the name if dirk diggler who has a uncanny knack for giving away free shit ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [31-Dec-23 04:34 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'll buy your stock [31-Dec-23 04:34 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: buying me out [31-Dec-23 04:34 PM] Deleted User#0000 Give me a price [31-Dec-23 04:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 Inputรทmanh.+build.deg.+input*1.20 [31-Dec-23 04:36 PM] avalock#0000 :woopsAh: ohdear [31-Dec-23 04:37 PM] avalock#0000 oh should I send you some contracts? [31-Dec-23 04:37 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'll get everything, then I'll dm you what I have then you can send contracts for aic for what I'm lacking [31-Dec-23 04:38 PM] avalock#0000 :FingyGuns: [31-Dec-23 04:38 PM] Deleted User#0000 And prices? [31-Dec-23 04:38 PM] avalock#0000 figuring that out, making a spreadsheet [31-Dec-23 04:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 We'll have to see. Perhaps I can restart crown mining, ๐Ÿ˜† [31-Dec-23 04:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 Considering carbon is up to 670 on ANT now.. there's some money to be gained. [31-Dec-23 04:39 PM] avalock#0000 yeah :hehe: [31-Dec-23 04:41 PM] Deleted User#0000 Oh I know... I am having a business meeting now with my lawyer, accountant and a bottle of royal [31-Dec-23 04:41 PM] Deleted User#0000 That means he's about to pass out on his floor in a drunken haze any minute now. [31-Dec-23 04:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 Lol, I have 2 people here to get me to bed! [31-Dec-23 04:43 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: [31-Dec-23 04:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 And I have a 16 hour DBS and Pacemaker implant surgery tomorrow so I have a urn of coffee waiting to sober up [31-Dec-23 04:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 *today [31-Dec-23 04:44 PM] Deleted User#0000 Y'know I feel like I should point out how bad of an idea that is, but, I feel like you've already considered that and have ignored the consequences. [31-Dec-23 04:44 PM] Deleted User#0000 I am a expert and qualified surgeon... and he signed the waver [31-Dec-23 04:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 ๐Ÿซก [31-Dec-23 04:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 I wish him the best of luck. [31-Dec-23 04:46 PM] Deleted User#0000 I have been in theaters where the anesthesiologist was slicking smirnov and the technologist was finishing pilsner like there was no tomorrow... we don't talk about the other times [31-Dec-23 04:47 PM] Deleted User#0000 Standards here are very low, lol [31-Dec-23 04:47 PM] avalock#0000 doing jagerbombs for open heart surgery [31-Dec-23 04:48 PM] Deleted User#0000 To be honest I've made some good decisions on a bottle of Smirnoff. [31-Dec-23 04:50 PM] Deleted User#0000 DBS pacemaker in a lewy body dementia patient with sudden onset status epilptica [31-Dec-23 04:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 Been preparing for a month for this, lol Sadly the idiot who scheduled or forgot it was the day after new years in a resident focused hospital [31-Dec-23 04:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 Smirnoff or Smirnov? [31-Dec-23 04:56 PM] Deleted User#0000 Off. [31-Dec-23 04:56 PM] Deleted User#0000 Oh, sure? [31-Dec-23 04:56 PM] Deleted User#0000 Yes. [31-Dec-23 04:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 Let me find a bottle [31-Dec-23 04:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 I think your wrong [31-Dec-23 04:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 https://www.smirnoff.com/en-us {Embed} https://www.smirnoff.com/en-us Smirnoff Vodka | The Worldโ€™s No. 1 Vodka Smirnoff Vodka is the number one vodka in the world, thanks to its smooth, classic taste. Find your favorite Smirnoff vodka flavor or drink recipe here. [31-Dec-23 04:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 Fine, I don't have a bottle on hand [31-Dec-23 04:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 Only, brandy, whiskey, rye and Hansa for really bad days [31-Dec-23 04:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 (And a bottle of black hand sours, disgraceful!) [31-Dec-23 05:01 PM] avalock#0000 @Deleted User how does 320/ piece of carbon sound? [31-Dec-23 05:02 PM] Deleted User#0000 @limp_wristed You sent 7 conts? Correct? @Deleted User x 3 conts.? Correct? [31-Dec-23 05:02 PM] avalock#0000 I did cost of stuff it consumes, added what I make, and subtracted what you're sending me. then multiplied it by how much I make per day, subtracted by how many workforce resources I use per day, and then divided by how much I make [31-Dec-23 05:02 PM] Deleted User#0000 One for the C, and an updated one for the ALO, ignore the first I sent. [31-Dec-23 05:02 PM] limp_wristed#0000 I sent 8 [31-Dec-23 05:02 PM] limp_wristed#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1191154564515246130/image.png?ex=6814a662&is=681354e2&hm=a29765ac645123596cdb457219c15bcb9d1c2131dbdbec56ca769ce2ff6a91ec& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘Œ [31-Dec-23 05:03 PM] Deleted User#0000 Are you sure you are alright with that? Keep in mind, it sells for 670 on the CX. [31-Dec-23 05:03 PM] avalock#0000 So its 1 C = 320 218 C = ~69,795.50 [31-Dec-23 05:03 PM] avalock#0000 Yeah, well I think of it as me buying stuff like uhhhhhh [31-Dec-23 05:04 PM] avalock#0000 resources off you with the carbon [31-Dec-23 05:04 PM] Deleted User#0000 @avalock Prices! [31-Dec-23 05:04 PM] Deleted User#0000 A Braai only lasts so long. lol [31-Dec-23 05:04 PM] Deleted User#0000 If you can do shipping to Deimos I'll make it 350/u. [31-Dec-23 05:04 PM] Deleted User#0000 That should cover your fuel costs and any inconvenience fee. [31-Dec-23 05:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 Astra I have 1500c [31-Dec-23 05:05 PM] avalock#0000 what I got, and deal {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1191155151914942674/image.png?ex=6814a6ee&is=6813556e&hm=f9737c3a63bf587ccbbc936624e3399e829fa8b93177506d730c27b3e78a5f81& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [31-Dec-23 05:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm looking more long term in case DNPC doesn't get Dark back in. [31-Dec-23 05:06 PM] Deleted User#0000 I think this'll work out. [31-Dec-23 05:06 PM] Deleted User#0000 I know, I'm saying how much do you want [31-Dec-23 05:06 PM] avalock#0000 price of my base? [31-Dec-23 05:06 PM] avalock#0000 the new one is this in mats: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1191155533214924871/image.png?ex=6814a749&is=681355c9&hm=4982f697adb44f80b9ad90e059a672afa95e1a8ffc6fd187ccdb52bc919bc292& [31-Dec-23 05:06 PM] avalock#0000 825,183.59 [31-Dec-23 05:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 I sent a cont for 1k, that should be fine for now. [31-Dec-23 05:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 Unless you want to just bring ahead the full amount. [31-Dec-23 05:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 Up to you? Unless you have anything that needs mor to ant [31-Dec-23 05:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 Otherwise I'll pack the excess space with mcg, lol [31-Dec-23 05:11 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'll just take the 1k, thanks again. [31-Dec-23 05:11 PM] Deleted User#0000 Got it [31-Dec-23 05:11 PM] Deleted User#0000 Everyone, mcg is coming to town [31-Dec-23 05:11 PM] Deleted User#0000 As long as it isn't MGC. [31-Dec-23 05:12 PM] Deleted User#0000 https://tenor.com/view/fright-night-satan-gif-25206743 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/fright-night-satan-gif-25206743 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/tjE9c0bqKXmRyR3t6mQOU8ilgN1_A8-X7X60osWcuME/https/media.tenor.com/yUsMajwmqegAAAAe/fright-night-satan.png [31-Dec-23 05:19 PM] Deleted User#0000 You have bested me {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1191158847495208980/Screenshot_20240101-011748_Chrome.jpg?ex=6814aa5f&is=681358df&hm=bc2292cc7c3761d29fddf645df73c87211eeaf6e8a7a99b0980502631f7084c5& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [31-Dec-23 05:24 PM] Deleted User#0000 New Base Time! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1191159969421209641/image.png?ex=6814ab6b&is=681359eb&hm=d0be6889a7c214ecac32c1d48299f42eb0edabcee944c713a11fe00f2d723758& [31-Dec-23 09:36 PM] avalock#0000 hemlo o/ [31-Dec-23 10:12 PM] Deleted User#0000 ๐Ÿ‘‹ [01-Jan-24 12:14 AM] avalock#0000 :giggle: i got distracted by wow shtuff [01-Jan-24 12:14 AM] Deleted User#0000 World of Warcraft? [01-Jan-24 12:15 AM] avalock#0000 yeeee i play tank and get dragged in [01-Jan-24 12:15 AM] Deleted User#0000 Ah, never played it myself. [01-Jan-24 12:33 AM] avalock#0000 valid, my irl friends got me in [01-Jan-24 12:34 AM] Deleted User#0000 Fair. [01-Jan-24 12:34 AM] avalock#0000 and i just like tanking :hehe: [01-Jan-24 12:40 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m excited for the Prun venture tho [01-Jan-24 12:40 AM] Deleted User#0000 Yeah me too, always nice to see things get going. [01-Jan-24 12:40 AM] Deleted User#0000 Not looking forward to work though. [01-Jan-24 12:41 AM] avalock#0000 aw iโ€™m sorry [01-Jan-24 12:41 AM] Deleted User#0000 It is what it is. [01-Jan-24 06:22 PM] Deleted User#0000 Have a drink, you'll fell better lol [02-Jan-24 04:34 AM] Deleted User#0000 True true. [02-Jan-24 04:58 AM] jvaler#0000 @znojan do u know why i got an invite to your corp? it was sent when one of your members accepted one of my LM ads, don't remember who tho {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1191697077273645126/image.png?ex=6814a563&is=681353e3&hm=a9ff42bd76e2b02dfa9019c2c2a912a404426938ed77466c72d74799da91ec20& [02-Jan-24 05:32 AM] znojan#0000 i dont know. the guy that invited me invited a lot of people [02-Jan-24 07:56 AM] jvaler#0000 odd [02-Jan-24 09:56 AM] Deleted User#0000 Not trying to get dividens from other governors? [02-Jan-24 09:58 AM] avalock#0000 Good morning :woopsComfy: i got sick [02-Jan-24 09:58 AM] Deleted User#0000 I think I may get sick here in the next few days. [02-Jan-24 09:59 AM] Deleted User#0000 I can feel it coming on, lol. [02-Jan-24 09:59 AM] Deleted User#0000 What got you? [02-Jan-24 09:59 AM] avalock#0000 my sinuses are fucked and i couldnt sleep at all last night [02-Jan-24 10:00 AM] Deleted User#0000 Here's hoping you feel better soon. [02-Jan-24 01:35 PM] Deleted User#0000 https://tenor.com/view/caitlin-snow-lobotomy-you-gif-13757037 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/caitlin-snow-lobotomy-you-gif-13757037 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/4brQO_MsGzF_czhSLnMWkOCfr1ahcn-3Y8shDpdN1T4/https/media.tenor.com/wK_5CUBFyZsAAAAe/caitlin-snow.png [02-Jan-24 01:36 PM] avalock#0000 needed [02-Jan-24 01:36 PM] avalock#0000 can I get a free GRS while you're at it [02-Jan-24 01:36 PM] avalock#0000 :PepeLa: [02-Jan-24 01:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 Genetic risk score? [02-Jan-24 01:37 PM] avalock#0000 nah [02-Jan-24 01:37 PM] Deleted User#0000 I mean I can do a brain transplant? A GRS is out of my field however [02-Jan-24 01:37 PM] avalock#0000 :PepeLa: I know it is [02-Jan-24 01:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 https://tenor.com/view/the-daily-show-jon-stewart-i-wish-wish-wishing-gif-4204955 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/the-daily-show-jon-stewart-i-wish-wish-wishing-gif-4204955 Daily Show https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/yqEtB16Fd5wvLxtgA2XA3ciuoSShg7NnUGGISWJQxYE/https/media.tenor.com/96fMGsuQ7wsAAAAe/the-daily-show-jon-stewart.png [02-Jan-24 06:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 With a bit of vodka and a dubious google search we'll have you doing it in no time. [02-Jan-24 06:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 You misjudge my resilience to alcohol [02-Jan-24 06:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 Sorry, with A LOT of vodka then. [02-Jan-24 06:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 So long as you cover the tab [02-Jan-24 06:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 50/50? [02-Jan-24 06:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 Sure, but it's "royal" [02-Jan-24 06:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 https://barkeeper.co.za/product/royal-pure-vodka-750ml/ {Embed} https://barkeeper.co.za/product/royal-pure-vodka-750ml/ Buy Royal Pure Vodka 96% Online! | Bar Keeper Buy Royal Pure Vodka online! Get your drinks delivered in Cape Town and the rest of South Africa https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/PMkk4I4IvuF4_zNEgsQbmrq9SZyula3XljBXO2y9lCA/https/barkeeper.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/royal-vodka-750ml.jpg [03-Jan-24 12:45 PM] avalock#0000 Howdy :MenheraWave: [03-Jan-24 12:47 PM] Deleted User#0000 Hey. [03-Jan-24 12:47 PM] avalock#0000 How's it going [03-Jan-24 12:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 Pretty good, yourself? [03-Jan-24 12:51 PM] avalock#0000 doing well, forming some like accounting stuff for my operations :hehe: {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [03-Jan-24 12:52 PM] limp_wristed#0000 i use the vibes based accounting system myself [03-Jan-24 12:52 PM] limp_wristed#0000 my business has great vibes at the moment [03-Jan-24 12:52 PM] avalock#0000 I go with vibes too, but reporting for like other people [03-Jan-24 12:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 Vibes are the best for company measurement. [03-Jan-24 01:01 PM] avalock#0000 yeee, I got good vibes on the next few things for my company [03-Jan-24 01:02 PM] avalock#0000 :hehe: Just need funding for the carbon farm, and gonna prob make some alumium mining/smelting [03-Jan-24 01:03 PM] Deleted User#0000 Deimos is great for AL should you ever get a spot. [03-Jan-24 01:03 PM] avalock#0000 yeeee, that's my plan [03-Jan-24 01:03 PM] avalock#0000 Deimos as an AL mine and centralized hub [03-Jan-24 01:04 PM] limp_wristed#0000 my next move is probably moving food prod off world to Norwick [03-Jan-24 01:08 PM] avalock#0000 I had a plan for Iron on Phobos, but I think I may move that over to LS-934b [03-Jan-24 01:09 PM] Deleted User#0000 Iron is much less cost efficient than AL. [03-Jan-24 01:09 PM] avalock#0000 ahhh darn [03-Jan-24 01:09 PM] limp_wristed#0000 or maybe a carbon farm on etherwind, but logistics would be more difficult [03-Jan-24 01:09 PM] avalock#0000 my reasoning was because it seemed like it was use on quite a bit of stuff [03-Jan-24 01:10 PM] avalock#0000 I feel like carbon may crash in ANT space :hmm: [03-Jan-24 01:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 Iron would be good if it wasn't for a very volatile market and also the space requirement to transport it. [03-Jan-24 01:10 PM] avalock#0000 There's a lot more farmers (including myself) [03-Jan-24 01:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 AL doesn't sell for much less than FE, and even sometimes sells for more, but takes up MUCH less space in both raw and AL form. [03-Jan-24 01:10 PM] avalock#0000 which ores are better to mine? [03-Jan-24 01:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 ALO. [03-Jan-24 01:11 PM] jvaler#0000 nascent gang [03-Jan-24 01:11 PM] avalock#0000 :woopsNote: I'll have to make a list of stuff maybe for which is prio [03-Jan-24 01:11 PM] Deleted User#0000 I made my first million by selling ALO on the Deimos LM. [03-Jan-24 01:12 PM] Deleted User#0000 This is strictly an :al: server. [03-Jan-24 01:12 PM] limp_wristed#0000 carbon needs to go down quite a bit for it to be cheaper in AI1 than the other 3 CX. I consume a little bit too, though less than i'd produce if i farmed carbon [03-Jan-24 01:12 PM] avalock#0000 :al: :Pray: [03-Jan-24 01:12 PM] jvaler#0000 if you're going for carbon you can mine ALO at the same time on Nascent. at least, that's what i do [03-Jan-24 01:12 PM] Deleted User#0000 Real. [03-Jan-24 01:13 PM] avalock#0000 where is Nascent at? [03-Jan-24 01:13 PM] avalock#0000 could set up 2 ALO miners and use the funding from that to get lower ore miners :giggle: [03-Jan-24 01:14 PM] avalock#0000 oh nvm found it [03-Jan-24 01:14 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1192184183355887627/image.png?ex=6815198b&is=6813c80b&hm=59f5c4100181bede5f4e371ada64c545f134be15d4fed2ba80d40eead52498d6& [03-Jan-24 01:14 PM] jvaler#0000 bit of a trek shipping agri harmonia -> nascent but it's not too bad [03-Jan-24 01:15 PM] avalock#0000 is silicone worth it? [03-Jan-24 01:16 PM] avalock#0000 I know :al: is our god :giggle: [03-Jan-24 01:17 PM] jvaler#0000 selling straight up SI is iffy. i got lured into that early on by prunplanner profit/day numbers, but the market is very low throughput. it takes forever for any of it to sell [03-Jan-24 01:19 PM] avalock#0000 noted [03-Jan-24 01:19 PM] avalock#0000 Corporations being able to sell shares in the future seems pretty neat :hehe: [03-Jan-24 01:20 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm excited for any update tbh. only thing i've been around for was the FTL lane changes around the periphery [03-Jan-24 01:20 PM] avalock#0000 There was talk about the maps, more CXM's would be neat imo [03-Jan-24 01:21 PM] jvaler#0000 more CXMs? [03-Jan-24 01:21 PM] jvaler#0000 wdym [03-Jan-24 01:21 PM] avalock#0000 CXL's whoops [03-Jan-24 01:21 PM] jvaler#0000 ah [03-Jan-24 01:21 PM] jvaler#0000 idk i don't see that changing much. we already have arclight and hubur, and they're barely used [03-Jan-24 01:22 PM] avalock#0000 Ahhhh fair [03-Jan-24 01:22 PM] Deleted User#0000 They need to make some serious changes and incentives for people to go out from the core for more CXs to matter. {Reactions} โœ… [03-Jan-24 01:22 PM] avalock#0000 Yeah true [03-Jan-24 01:22 PM] avalock#0000 I would love to become an outer rim company [03-Jan-24 01:23 PM] avalock#0000 I like the BS sector for some reason [03-Jan-24 01:23 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: besides the name [03-Jan-24 01:28 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'd enjoy creating an area of independence in the rim at some point. [03-Jan-24 01:29 PM] jvaler#0000 Greater Antares [03-Jan-24 01:31 PM] avalock#0000 The greater antares initiative [03-Jan-24 01:31 PM] avalock#0000 :COMMUNISM: [03-Jan-24 01:32 PM] jvaler#0000 so real [03-Jan-24 01:35 PM] Deleted User#0000 that is the dream [03-Jan-24 01:35 PM] Deleted User#0000 One day maybe [03-Jan-24 01:35 PM] Deleted User#0000 That's the point where I wish some kind of player made CX could be made, not quite a full CX but with a bit more functionality and formality than a LM [03-Jan-24 01:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 I suppose you can work around it within the confides of the game now, but, it'd be easier if it was fully supported. [03-Jan-24 01:38 PM] avalock#0000 yeah, I suppose local markets can help but like you really need to drive others to that area [03-Jan-24 01:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 There is a project doing something exactly like that with GTU. [03-Jan-24 01:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 Not sure how successful it was. [03-Jan-24 01:40 PM] jvaler#0000 these KOM prices are beating my ass [03-Jan-24 01:41 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: someone needs to make a kombucha plant [03-Jan-24 01:42 PM] jvaler#0000 ppl are working on it rn [03-Jan-24 01:43 PM] jvaler#0000 but like 400k AIC for 22 days of KOM... i'm dying [03-Jan-24 01:43 PM] avalock#0000 honestly the prices seem weird cause like... there's quite a bit of supply :DA_zero_think: [03-Jan-24 01:44 PM] avalock#0000 oh its much lower than before [03-Jan-24 01:45 PM] jvaler#0000 oh yeah it was crazy in the wyper aftermath [03-Jan-24 01:46 PM] jvaler#0000 but i guess prices *have* been gradually rising like gravy said [03-Jan-24 01:46 PM] jvaler#0000 it was ~600/u in november [03-Jan-24 01:47 PM] jvaler#0000 so prices are back to normal if you consider that climb. but hopefully the wyper incident pushed enough ppl to bring it down further [03-Jan-24 01:48 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: yeah saw it at 3k [03-Jan-24 01:48 PM] avalock#0000 Whats the wyper incident? [03-Jan-24 01:48 PM] Deleted User#0000 Damn Wyper. [03-Jan-24 01:49 PM] jvaler#0000 free license player that got rich off selling EDC to the market maker. they got bored and left the game, but cleared out the CXOB of lots of items before doing so [03-Jan-24 01:50 PM] Deleted User#0000 Said that a lot nicer than I would've. [03-Jan-24 01:50 PM] jvaler#0000 lolol [03-Jan-24 01:50 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: oop [03-Jan-24 02:21 PM] avalock#0000 Oh yeah for the grant should I uhm do something about that :hehe: [03-Jan-24 08:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 Pretty sure you just gotta wait for a bit. [03-Jan-24 08:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 I've got *some* money at the minute but not all of mine, and I think cataclism said he'd be covering your base? Not sure if you two worked that one out or not. [03-Jan-24 10:42 PM] jvaler#0000 i *think* i can toss in that 250k u were talking about rn, just sold a big batch of output to rise. if that helps lol [03-Jan-24 10:43 PM] jvaler#0000 consumable situation's stabilized quite a bit so i should be able to [03-Jan-24 10:44 PM] Deleted User#0000 I just had a very scary down to 4 days on every base I own since I dropped Harmonia and Life in one split, so I'm just recovering from that at the minute. [03-Jan-24 10:44 PM] jvaler#0000 that new base scramble lolol [03-Jan-24 10:44 PM] Deleted User#0000 Cataclism said he'd be covering Ava's base so we'll see if that happens or not, otherwise, we'll work something out. [03-Jan-24 10:44 PM] jvaler#0000 ah okay [03-Jan-24 10:44 PM] Deleted User#0000 Not fun, wouldn't recommend. [03-Jan-24 10:44 PM] Deleted User#0000 Only did it since POPR. [03-Jan-24 10:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 Either way, crisis averted. [03-Jan-24 10:47 PM] avalock#0000 yeee idk if I can send this, but this is probably gonna be what the base becomes: https://prunplanner.org/plan/ZV-896b/b3b18f33-436d-4335-a3e1-54172bf4c108 [03-Jan-24 10:47 PM] Deleted User#0000 It doesn't show up unfortunately. [03-Jan-24 10:48 PM] avalock#0000 :NOOO: [03-Jan-24 10:48 PM] avalock#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/93aa5e12-f2de-4aa9-86ac-0ef8da086927 [03-Jan-24 10:48 PM] avalock#0000 THERE [03-Jan-24 10:48 PM] avalock#0000 :WICKED: [03-Jan-24 10:49 PM] Deleted User#0000 If you set it to AGI COQC you get less water but more GRN. [03-Jan-24 10:49 PM] Deleted User#0000 Not sure if you took that into account or not. [03-Jan-24 10:50 PM] avalock#0000 Ahhhh, didn't [03-Jan-24 10:50 PM] jvaler#0000 INC on agri cogc hurts my soul but real advice: you can't run 12 INC on the 3 input recipe with only 7 FRM [03-Jan-24 10:51 PM] avalock#0000 :hehe: yeeee, we're gonna buy the other mats till I can afford a 4th permit [03-Jan-24 10:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 4th permit wouldn't be too hard to get. [03-Jan-24 10:51 PM] avalock#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/2677f1c4-2d72-489e-8a72-c95c3804c7de and then this [03-Jan-24 10:51 PM] avalock#0000 that's maxed out tho [03-Jan-24 10:51 PM] avalock#0000 I gotta put it to 1/3 [03-Jan-24 10:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 16 BBH, 12 BDE, 12 BSE, 6 BTA, 36 MCG, 12 TRU, 20 OFF [03-Jan-24 10:52 PM] avalock#0000 yee, I'm just a bit poor rn :Sadge: [03-Jan-24 10:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 HM. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1192329643043323914/image.png?ex=6814f843&is=6813a6c3&hm=bcfd8cd8bcb6846ef9d54b7a452645842acac4478142dab91ebe07b4a66c746e& [03-Jan-24 10:52 PM] jvaler#0000 buying agri is expensive, no? especially with the resource inefficiency of the triple input C [03-Jan-24 10:54 PM] avalock#0000 probably, but I'd still be making enough profit [03-Jan-24 10:55 PM] avalock#0000 I just need it as a starter base :hehe: [03-Jan-24 10:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm not entirely sure a 3 permit base on Electronica is the move at the minute. [03-Jan-24 10:55 PM] avalock#0000 nah [03-Jan-24 10:55 PM] avalock#0000 it would be like way later [03-Jan-24 10:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 Typically you want to avoid having multiple permits on one base. [03-Jan-24 10:55 PM] avalock#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/d9957732-91b1-40e8-ba79-527f0cb63917 [03-Jan-24 10:56 PM] avalock#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/603e76ca-dc62-465e-9128-ded28bd5813c [03-Jan-24 10:56 PM] avalock#0000 these are the 2 before [03-Jan-24 10:58 PM] jvaler#0000 u forgot to set cogc on the last 3 links [03-Jan-24 10:58 PM] avalock#0000 yeah :hehe: whoops [03-Jan-24 11:02 PM] avalock#0000 I made Nascent Extraction only, Deimos metallurgy only [03-Jan-24 11:05 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿซก [04-Jan-24 12:50 AM] Deleted User#0000 @avalock listen to these people, ๐Ÿคฃ [04-Jan-24 01:15 AM] Deleted User#0000 https://youtu.be/eF92-uSiVZQ?si=7qxgMwJmLTEQ2FlW {Embed} Ingen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF92-uSiVZQ "Dรฉgรฉnรฉration" - Quebecois Traditionalist Song My channel is dedicated to anthems, hymns and patriotic songs, here is the link to our discord server: https://discord.gg/Vw5SgNDuVV https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/AWf0y4QByLFEGLmK6la8464jPQkB7KQV7H7v9jSdvWY/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/eF92-uSiVZQ/maxresdefault.jpg [04-Jan-24 04:49 AM] avalock#0000 :woopsNote1: [04-Jan-24 04:51 AM] Deleted User#0000 :antares: [04-Jan-24 04:51 AM] avalock#0000 :al: [04-Jan-24 04:51 AM] avalock#0000 :PrayToTheLordAmen: [04-Jan-24 04:52 AM] Deleted User#0000 Now you are getting it. [04-Jan-24 04:52 AM] Deleted User#0000 Second times the charm {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1192420341344116818/image.png?ex=6814a3fb&is=6813527b&hm=1bd40ba6e7195338102c5a742fd1cc83aee583a575a1a1c70a850e91f0d85c4a& [04-Jan-24 04:52 AM] avalock#0000 i try my best [04-Jan-24 04:53 AM] avalock#0000 :giggle: what happens in dms doesnโ€™t stay in dms [04-Jan-24 04:53 AM] Deleted User#0000 Definitely not, no. [04-Jan-24 04:53 AM] Deleted User#0000 There's eyes everywhere. [04-Jan-24 04:53 AM] avalock#0000 :monkaBehind: [04-Jan-24 04:53 AM] Deleted User#0000 https://tenor.com/view/i-have-eyes-and-ears-everywhere-raymond-reddington-james-spader-blacklist-spy-gif-13640258 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/i-have-eyes-and-ears-everywhere-raymond-reddington-james-spader-blacklist-spy-gif-13640258 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/x-AEsmfuBsqFV7MI8jtWYEbl32ani2c39SmdpKXf7Ho/https/media.tenor.com/3DPEA7GM1SsAAAAe/i-have-eyes-and-ears-everywhere-raymond-reddington.png [04-Jan-24 04:54 AM] Deleted User#0000 https://tenor.com/view/mr-deeds-crazy-eyes-gif-10732152 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/mr-deeds-crazy-eyes-gif-10732152 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/iSfCYqQPsbdf_w5Ex6KdwY8o_ZQ0IOidmy38laZI9vs/https/media.tenor.com/DLtyyc9o_94AAAAe/mr-deeds-crazy-eyes.png [04-Jan-24 04:56 AM] avalock#0000 i should get ready for work [04-Jan-24 04:56 AM] avalock#0000 :SCyawn: [04-Jan-24 06:59 AM] Deleted User#0000 Started at 4am today. [04-Jan-24 07:01 AM] Deleted User#0000 When do you start work? Here it's still like 2 weeks before most places reopen? [04-Jan-24 07:01 AM] Deleted User#0000 I had a day off for Christmas. [04-Jan-24 07:01 AM] Deleted User#0000 Oh damb [04-Jan-24 07:02 AM] Deleted User#0000 I wanted to take some holiday but unfortunately someone else had already taken the week off so I got nothing and lost my days for the year, lol. [04-Jan-24 07:03 AM] Deleted User#0000 Oh damb [04-Jan-24 07:03 AM] Deleted User#0000 Labour laws must be different, lol [04-Jan-24 07:04 AM] Deleted User#0000 Probably. [04-Jan-24 07:05 AM] Deleted User#0000 Here I think there are maybe 3 company categories that can make their empire work the week if Christmas [04-Jan-24 07:05 AM] Deleted User#0000 Medical, industtial transport and government [04-Jan-24 07:06 AM] Deleted User#0000 I work in manufacturing, most places I'm aware of get Christmas off. [04-Jan-24 07:07 AM] Deleted User#0000 Oh, no Here you get the "week" off (Sunday to Saturday) [04-Jan-24 07:08 AM] Deleted User#0000 Even Eskom staff [04-Jan-24 07:08 AM] Deleted User#0000 I sometimes get a full weekend, not all the time. [04-Jan-24 07:08 AM] Deleted User#0000 Typically I'll have to work Saturday. [04-Jan-24 07:08 AM] Deleted User#0000 Damb [04-Jan-24 07:09 AM] Deleted User#0000 That seems "unfair" Not the right word [04-Jan-24 07:10 AM] Deleted User#0000 I mean even I got offered the week off, and I run the department, lol [04-Jan-24 09:00 AM] Deleted User#0000 It is what it is. [04-Jan-24 09:32 AM] Deleted User#0000 Yep, lol [04-Jan-24 09:32 AM] Deleted User#0000 Atleast you enjoyed Christmas... hopefully :) [04-Jan-24 09:36 AM] Deleted User#0000 Yep. [04-Jan-24 12:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 @Deleted User 1 day and 13 hours 888 C to deimos [04-Jan-24 12:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 Sorry haven't had time to send ship yet [04-Jan-24 12:11 PM] Deleted User#0000 No worries, you need split from Nike to ANT this week? [04-Jan-24 12:19 PM] Deleted User#0000 That would be so verry appreciated [04-Jan-24 12:20 PM] Deleted User#0000 I can old pay you after the split unless your happy with ncc 2 mil heading to MOR cx but I only have like 800 AIC and no FX, lol [04-Jan-24 12:21 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'll take it for free, no worries. [04-Jan-24 12:21 PM] Deleted User#0000 We are both heading the same way so makes sense. [04-Jan-24 12:24 PM] Deleted User#0000 Just send me the cont sometime fri-sat and I'll next day it. @Deleted User [04-Jan-24 12:31 PM] Deleted User#0000 When will you send out? [04-Jan-24 12:33 PM] Deleted User#0000 559 now 709 in 1 day 13 hours [04-Jan-24 12:34 PM] Deleted User#0000 Send for, it's our agreement :) I'll just have to pay you after the split [04-Jan-24 12:35 PM] Deleted User#0000 I leave it as late as possible, probably by 2-3am Sat night. [04-Jan-24 12:41 PM] Deleted User#0000 100% And today is [04-Jan-24 12:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 Thursday [04-Jan-24 12:42 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 well that confirms I literally lost an entire day.. I was over here thinking it was still Tuesday x( [04-Jan-24 12:49 PM] Deleted User#0000 I thought It was Sunday so [04-Jan-24 12:55 PM] avalock#0000 won two games of magic against my boss [04-Jan-24 12:55 PM] avalock#0000 :GIGAWOMAN: [05-Jan-24 03:15 AM] Deleted User#0000 This is free on Benten station, I know it's not ant but I don't use CIS or know how I got it {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1192758316846293032/image.png?ex=68148d3f&is=68133bbf&hm=4812db4f02ede4f70f07a7439c629d006a4a514d4766c0b9aae6615c379823b1& [05-Jan-24 06:56 AM] avalock#0000 welcoming gift :giggle: [05-Jan-24 09:10 AM] Deleted User#0000 @AGP is there anyone still waiting for a grant? [05-Jan-24 09:19 AM] avalock#0000 me, but i gotta chat with @Deleted User and finalize my prospectus [05-Jan-24 09:21 AM] Deleted User#0000 You are at the top the list for the grant at the minute. [05-Jan-24 09:21 AM] Deleted User#0000 Not sure what's going on with cataclism since I assume he's dming you everything? [05-Jan-24 09:22 AM] Deleted User#0000 Bit hard to keep track that way. [05-Jan-24 09:22 AM] avalock#0000 yeeeee [05-Jan-24 09:22 AM] avalock#0000 :giggle: sorry i can be more public about the carbon, how much do you need per week [05-Jan-24 09:23 AM] avalock#0000 er day actually [05-Jan-24 09:24 AM] Deleted User#0000 I think at the minute the project I need it for has C sorted, but I'm not entirely sure. [05-Jan-24 09:24 AM] Deleted User#0000 You may be good to just sell it straight to the CX for the full profit. [05-Jan-24 09:24 AM] Deleted User#0000 Which is a lot better for you actually. [05-Jan-24 09:26 AM] avalock#0000 awesome its actually gonna go to :al: production for me [05-Jan-24 09:31 AM] Deleted User#0000 Base on Deimos? [05-Jan-24 09:32 AM] Deleted User#0000 If you end up doing bfabs on Nike I'll have a corp hq on there soon so we can both use the 10% bonus. [05-Jan-24 09:35 AM] limp_wristed#0000 deimos is just barely over max bases [05-Jan-24 09:35 AM] Deleted User#0000 Yeah, but it'll drop eventually. [05-Jan-24 09:52 AM] avalock#0000 deimos and nascent [05-Jan-24 09:52 AM] avalock#0000 ALO nascent AL deimos [05-Jan-24 09:53 AM] avalock#0000 base 4 actual carbon production and turn base 1 into MAI/HCP/GRN prod [05-Jan-24 09:55 AM] avalock#0000 prob get ship 3 somewhere in that [05-Jan-24 10:04 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 ooh you're gonna put a corp hq on Nike, sweet I got BSE/BDE BBH/LBH going there. [05-Jan-24 10:15 AM] Deleted User#0000 Eventually, yes. [05-Jan-24 10:15 AM] Deleted User#0000 They are a bit of an investment. [05-Jan-24 12:04 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Kinda like me xD [05-Jan-24 12:05 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m an investment with all the work i gotta do to myself [05-Jan-24 12:15 PM] Deleted User#0000 Sorry [05-Jan-24 12:16 PM] avalock#0000 :PepeLa: [05-Jan-24 12:20 PM] Deleted User#0000 @Deleted User Anything in particular? [05-Jan-24 12:20 PM] Deleted User#0000 Just about the base and everything for Ava. [05-Jan-24 12:21 PM] Deleted User#0000 Lol. [05-Jan-24 12:22 PM] Deleted User#0000 From my understanding I'll fund 4 bases doing refining from the primary phase to the tertiary phase [05-Jan-24 12:22 PM] avalock#0000 yeee iโ€™ll get plans over in a moment :neko_nod: [05-Jan-24 12:22 PM] avalock#0000 prob when i get home [05-Jan-24 12:23 PM] avalock#0000 do you need me to make contracts for the materials [05-Jan-24 12:23 PM] Deleted User#0000 Don't stress, um yeah, but we need to work out where we're starting from ie material extraction or smelting [05-Jan-24 12:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 Crap [05-Jan-24 12:27 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: [05-Jan-24 12:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 Damb it, [05-Jan-24 03:28 PM] Deleted User#0000 It seems like Cataclism has made you one of his servants. [05-Jan-24 03:31 PM] Deleted User#0000 In the service of others, we find our purpose. [05-Jan-24 03:32 PM] avalock#0000 :spiralpleadanim: [05-Jan-24 03:32 PM] avalock#0000 yes [05-Jan-24 03:38 PM] Deleted User#0000 @pennyclafe Welcome. ^^ [05-Jan-24 03:38 PM] Deleted User#0000 We shall renew the Sino-Soviet Alliance! [05-Jan-24 03:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 We shall not do that! [05-Jan-24 03:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 Wrong channel [05-Jan-24 03:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 There is a strict no Sino-Sovietising within this Discord. [05-Jan-24 03:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 Really? [05-Jan-24 03:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 I find that hard to believe [05-Jan-24 03:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 As per about 2 seconds ago, yes. [05-Jan-24 03:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 Oh I love when laws are made around me [05-Jan-24 03:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 @pennyclafe We should be able to get you your grant within the next few days, grants are done based on funding in a queue, Avacyn being first at the minute. [05-Jan-24 03:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 Avacyn is sorted [05-Jan-24 03:40 PM] pennyclafe#0000 Ok, sure [05-Jan-24 03:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 In the meantime we have some consumables and bfabs for sale at better than CX prices in #internal-offers, and Cataclism offers ship upgrades as well if interested. [05-Jan-24 03:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm sure? @avalock [05-Jan-24 03:41 PM] Deleted User#0000 They still gotta get the grant from AGP though on top of what you've graciously indebted their first born to. [05-Jan-24 03:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 I intend for it to be a pricey venture(s) [05-Jan-24 03:42 PM] avalock#0000 my parents told me if theres free money, never turn it down, and then donate to a good cause [05-Jan-24 03:42 PM] avalock#0000 :hehe: [05-Jan-24 03:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 So [05-Jan-24 03:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 If you consider selling your future firstborn child away to Cataclism free, sure. [05-Jan-24 03:43 PM] avalock#0000 jokes on him iโ€™m sterile [05-Jan-24 03:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 The AGP grant is taking the 2nd born. ^^ [05-Jan-24 03:43 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I'm an employee of @Deleted User [05-Jan-24 03:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 https://tenor.com/view/the-gentlemen-mathew-mcconaughey-walking-gif-16192984 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/the-gentlemen-mathew-mcconaughey-walking-gif-16192984 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/E5gpFNIjw7Aqnzacgcw24jdV9CcgPMxAdKz_RKYkxAY/https/media.tenor.com/Me95opsXCnwAAAAe/the-gentlemen-mathew-mcconaughey.png [05-Jan-24 03:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 Jesus he's taken everyone away from me. [05-Jan-24 03:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 Lol, it's always a pleasure [05-Jan-24 03:44 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://tenor.com/s1sHGOCLt54.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/iamproudofyou-my-hero-gif-15828902362440109418 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/duQ9JC2Q1uuFncyjUKfJgEc4ppcZsqSBuStvNtyVP4Q/https/media.tenor.com/26uO1WGVjWoAAAAe/iamproudofyou-my-hero.png [05-Jan-24 03:44 PM] Deleted User#0000 Only four or five of them [05-Jan-24 03:44 PM] avalock#0000 i may need to take people to mine resources for me [05-Jan-24 03:44 PM] Deleted User#0000 Typical SA fashion, show up, grab everything, and run. [05-Jan-24 03:44 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Tbh I followed @cleavingambiguity here and @Deleted User got a hold of me. >:) [05-Jan-24 03:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 Exactly! [05-Jan-24 03:45 PM] sidepipe#0000 I think we should blame Afka for this [05-Jan-24 03:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 We just won't talk about the Anglo boer war [05-Jan-24 03:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 I think we should blame me for this, I think I've just mass groomed people for Cataclism at this point. [05-Jan-24 03:45 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I thought we weren't supposed to saw the A B words. [05-Jan-24 03:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 Exactly [05-Jan-24 03:46 PM] Deleted User#0000 Your first mistake, trusting a south african [05-Jan-24 03:46 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Speaking of which I should look at my promitor base and see what we all would need, right now it's just carbon [05-Jan-24 03:46 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 carbon and pe [05-Jan-24 03:46 PM] Deleted User#0000 Your second, doubting that South African [05-Jan-24 03:46 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 > Your first mistake, trusting Ftfy [05-Jan-24 03:46 PM] Deleted User#0000 No no he's got a point. [05-Jan-24 03:46 PM] Deleted User#0000 Send me a list [05-Jan-24 03:47 PM] Deleted User#0000 South Africans are typically rather dubious. [05-Jan-24 03:47 PM] Deleted User#0000 He pays well for shipping conts though, so, he's alright really. [05-Jan-24 03:47 PM] Deleted User#0000 You ain't never met some other south africans [05-Jan-24 03:47 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Ill build it out on prunplanner so you can see what it is. I was thinking we could turn it into a farm or smelting center. I haven't started bringing PE from it to Nike so im open to switch it up [05-Jan-24 03:48 PM] avalock#0000 i never met a nice one [05-Jan-24 03:48 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: [05-Jan-24 03:48 PM] Deleted User#0000 Shall we have a chat [05-Jan-24 03:48 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm sure some people here wouldn't mind offering their help towards that, what resources and on what planet? [05-Jan-24 03:48 PM] Deleted User#0000 Why do I feel like in 3 to one [05-Jan-24 03:49 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m gonna be mining and smelting aluminum, probably try getting some new players to mine less valuable ore and iโ€™ll smelt that [05-Jan-24 03:49 PM] avalock#0000 and then once iโ€™ve funded enough [05-Jan-24 03:49 PM] Deleted User#0000 Just in luck.. I think I grabbed another Deimos buddy who can help you with that.. [05-Jan-24 03:49 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™ll create my socialist utopia in the BS sector [05-Jan-24 03:49 PM] avalock#0000 :COMMUNISM: [05-Jan-24 03:49 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 This is in relation to that other project I think we're all working on, I meant to mention it but again I wasn't really expecting to have my father living with me for a bit [05-Jan-24 03:49 PM] Deleted User#0000 Woah woah woah there buddy. [05-Jan-24 03:50 PM] Deleted User#0000 That's not the kind of politics we adopt in Antares space. [05-Jan-24 03:50 PM] avalock#0000 thats why its in BS [05-Jan-24 03:50 PM] Deleted User#0000 Oh believe me, I'm banking on it. When we hang the capitalists, they will sell us the rope we use ~ comrade stalin [05-Jan-24 03:50 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I make rope for free, I learned how to do it so I could hang capitalists... [05-Jan-24 03:50 PM] Deleted User#0000 I look very weird yelling communist dictations across the room fyi [05-Jan-24 03:50 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://tenor.com/4ItW.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/hanging-hang-noose-hangmans-gif-13478290 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/g0jPwSFqmmvuIe4CcC4zqk3jwafSOF9dyzxnhqBDutg/https/media.tenor.com/8uEivZbj2IUAAAAe/hanging-hang.png [05-Jan-24 03:50 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: iโ€™ll call it something safer [05-Jan-24 03:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 Yes, good choice. [05-Jan-24 03:51 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m acquiring northern ireland (BS) for the irish (myself) [05-Jan-24 03:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 We shall do it! [05-Jan-24 03:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 Yeah, I have a IRA mate who can help you [05-Jan-24 03:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 When the inevitable Antares superstate begins we will topple the establishment and start a new regime, for now though, we just give free money. [05-Jan-24 03:52 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 @Deleted User Give me a second to update the PrunPlanner to be correct. [05-Jan-24 03:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 Tis fine, I have all day... not really, I am very sleep deprived [05-Jan-24 03:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 How'd the surgery go? [05-Jan-24 03:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 Forgot to ask about that. [05-Jan-24 03:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 Once they went back to sleep fine [05-Jan-24 03:53 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Patient complains the color pink smells like bananas. [05-Jan-24 03:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 Had to replace a probe and the wiring [05-Jan-24 03:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 If they can smell they aren't dead. [05-Jan-24 03:54 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Probably wish they were if pink smells like bananas. [05-Jan-24 03:54 PM] Deleted User#0000 Oh no, I had three of those in the interim [05-Jan-24 03:54 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Still gladd it was another successful mission [05-Jan-24 03:54 PM] Deleted User#0000 1 in 4 isn't a *horrible* statistic. [05-Jan-24 03:54 PM] Deleted User#0000 Truly isn't a good one, but, y'know. [05-Jan-24 03:54 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 im getting distracted i need to be doing prunplanner. [05-Jan-24 03:54 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://tenor.com/bakW3.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/useless-fucking-pieces-of-shit-mad-angry-kick-gordon-ramsay-gif-14817807 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/XbqANaQgnK4Smgi8ERb0c-uqqajnC1C1ofSWLMJRSjw/https/media.tenor.com/e7F-cc8blOQAAAAe/useless-fucking-pieces-of-shit-mad.png [05-Jan-24 03:54 PM] Deleted User#0000 You do.. let us give you free shit. [05-Jan-24 03:54 PM] Deleted User#0000 Can I show off a achieve [05-Jan-24 03:54 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 me. [05-Jan-24 03:54 PM] Deleted User#0000 Sure. [05-Jan-24 03:56 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1192949692728873000/Screenshot_20240105-235502_Volkano_Active.jpg?ex=681496ba&is=6813453a&hm=002b275dbc8bdafc7355d33b43868f4d5c550950e625291e9b184555e0349cc7& [05-Jan-24 03:56 PM] Deleted User#0000 And I have spent R2000 at the Wimpy across the road [05-Jan-24 03:57 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://tenor.com/cQDuqCyhQFm.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/dancing-drunk-happydance-ronswanson-nickofferman-gif-2253559596845788158 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/XyFLFA99v_BcZ9rhRTDDvm_NrRdwtVkVPbu1RANDJpc/https/media.tenor.com/H0ZAg3Iqa_4AAAAe/dancing-drunk.png [05-Jan-24 03:57 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Isn't it something like 48hrs awake is equivalent to being drunk? Similar to being under depth in the ocean (Except ~~that~~ thats nitrogen narcosis or something) [05-Jan-24 03:58 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Also this is what I have on promitor: https://prunplanner.org/shared/c263f513-f42b-4d5b-ad62-a9eab5d2b0cb [05-Jan-24 03:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1192950394314297445/Screenshot_20240105-235838_Discord.jpg?ex=68149761&is=681345e1&hm=a1191c46073a4caf77ececc7de6b3bd2b1484b3b5f8bffe08563fdd7e8f256d4& [05-Jan-24 03:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 It's Friday [05-Jan-24 03:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 After about 3 I personally start to get hallucinations, but by midway through day 4 I personally start to feel better. [05-Jan-24 03:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 Insomnia is a bitch sometimes. [05-Jan-24 03:59 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 So we're all insoniacs... [05-Jan-24 03:59 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 insomniacs * [05-Jan-24 04:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 Nitrogen Narcosis or the Benz, depends [05-Jan-24 04:00 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I thought Benz was coming up too fast from depth or maybe I'm also thinking of decompression sickness now... [05-Jan-24 04:00 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I've been watching a lot of Scuba Diving / Underwater Cave videos again... [05-Jan-24 04:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 Nitrogen bubbles forming in the blood [05-Jan-24 04:01 PM] Deleted User#0000 It is all decompression sickness [05-Jan-24 04:01 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 oooh that I didn't know, I thought they were different things cause I learned the reason they use Trimix is at a certain depth the further you go the drunker you feel from the nitrogen narcosis [05-Jan-24 04:02 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Just so it doesnt get lost this is promitor: https://prunplanner.org/shared/c263f513-f42b-4d5b-ad62-a9eab5d2b0cb [05-Jan-24 04:02 PM] Deleted User#0000 When your underwater the pressure pushes nitrogen in-between the hemoglobin and rapid expansion can rip the blood cells and lymphatic cells apart. Rather funny when it happens to someone else, not so funny when it happens to you, kind like depression drinking [05-Jan-24 04:02 PM] Deleted User#0000 It is going to get lost! [05-Jan-24 04:04 PM] Deleted User#0000 That's a good idea actually. [05-Jan-24 04:04 PM] Deleted User#0000 #associate-planning #deleted-channel [05-Jan-24 04:04 PM] Deleted User#0000 Okay, I was scared for a moment [05-Jan-24 04:04 PM] Deleted User#0000 Seperated a bit so that you can discuss it in the Discord without us clogging it up with regular talk. [05-Jan-24 04:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 No.. I did not mean depression drinking. [05-Jan-24 04:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 Although I would like a drink. [05-Jan-24 04:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 I have two bottles of 10 year brandy in my desk [05-Jan-24 04:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 @havanista Welcome! This is the general talking area that people mostly use since it is close to the top of the list. [05-Jan-24 04:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 We have some bfabs and consumables for sale for lower than CX prices within #internal-offers #deleted-channel, and Cataclism offers ship upgrades for people if you are interested. [05-Jan-24 04:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 Grants are done through a queue system, so currently you'd be 3rd in place for a grant, so it should get fulfilled relatively soon-ish. [05-Jan-24 11:24 PM] avalock#0000 Hiya [05-Jan-24 11:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 Hey. [05-Jan-24 11:25 PM] avalock#0000 howโ€™s it going :hehe: [05-Jan-24 11:26 PM] Deleted User#0000 Pretty good, you? [05-Jan-24 11:29 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: mind numb tbh, pretty tired [05-Jan-24 11:29 PM] Deleted User#0000 Yeah I feel that. [05-Jan-24 11:31 PM] avalock#0000 i was tanking in a wow raid [06-Jan-24 05:14 PM] limp_wristed#0000 just was in a 1.6t capital brawl in eve online [07-Jan-24 09:53 AM] avalock#0000 Good morning [07-Jan-24 10:02 AM] Deleted User#0000 Morning. [07-Jan-24 10:04 AM] avalock#0000 Howโ€™s it going [07-Jan-24 10:05 AM] Deleted User#0000 Not too bad, yourself? [07-Jan-24 10:05 AM] avalock#0000 vibin pretty much :hehe: [07-Jan-24 10:20 AM] Deleted User#0000 Good, good. [07-Jan-24 09:12 PM] avalock#0000 :PrayToTheLordAmen: [07-Jan-24 09:12 PM] avalock#0000 need buffalo to win [07-Jan-24 09:13 PM] avalock#0000 OH I'm dumb, lmao its not AAC its AAT for my company [07-Jan-24 11:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 Fixed it for you. [08-Jan-24 02:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 @AGP Anyone who has yet to receive 250k via grant should ping me as tonight I'll be sending some contracts for it. [08-Jan-24 02:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 I can do two at the minute and up to another two when my order sells on ANT. [08-Jan-24 02:14 PM] Deleted User#0000 After we've got everyone caught up we'll be looking at whether or not we do a second round of grants to those with additional plans or not. [08-Jan-24 02:15 PM] Deleted User#0000 Along with that we'll be having a small discord makeover with some additional information coming later. [08-Jan-24 04:27 PM] avalock#0000 i suppose this is my time to ping :hehe: [08-Jan-24 04:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 You are the first on the queue. [08-Jan-24 04:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 Go ahead and send a 1 rat or 1 dw cont for 250k. [08-Jan-24 04:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'll accept it when I finish work, PRUN is blocked on company WiFi. [08-Jan-24 04:28 PM] avalock#0000 will do on my computer, one sec {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [08-Jan-24 06:29 PM] Deleted User#0000 @avalock Sent, terminate the cont please. [08-Jan-24 06:29 PM] Deleted User#0000 Don't spend it all at once. lol [08-Jan-24 06:30 PM] avalock#0000 :anieHeh: [08-Jan-24 07:23 PM] havanista#0000 when is my turn soon ? [08-Jan-24 07:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 Pretty sure there's a few people to go first. [08-Jan-24 07:26 PM] Deleted User#0000 We'll have a system in place to track soon enough. [08-Jan-24 07:26 PM] Deleted User#0000 Just need to work out how I'd implement it properly. [08-Jan-24 07:27 PM] havanista#0000 grant is free gift right, no need repayment ? [08-Jan-24 07:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 Yes. [08-Jan-24 07:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 It isn't really a "gift", more so an investment. [08-Jan-24 07:28 PM] Deleted User#0000 You pay us back through building up the Antares region. [08-Jan-24 07:28 PM] havanista#0000 yeah , nice still [08-Jan-24 07:28 PM] havanista#0000 i ss [09-Jan-24 07:18 AM] Deleted User#0000 @havanista Send me a cont for 250,000k. [09-Jan-24 07:20 AM] Deleted User#0000 @cdgwaddell You are next in line for a 250,000k apparently, since I don't believe you ever received yours. [09-Jan-24 07:20 AM] Deleted User#0000 I'll not be able to cover it immediately but in the next few days you'll get it. [09-Jan-24 07:48 AM] Deleted User#0000 Spreadsheet now up for AGP to make it easier to manage. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1194276571566063717/image.png?ex=6814cd3b&is=68137bbb&hm=fa49dae2040b990139c3e6194eb8ad8734a2c8a5b24e980a6bdfa17c884efd39& [09-Jan-24 08:02 AM] avalock#0000 thats a nice spreadsheet :woopsNote1: [09-Jan-24 08:04 AM] Deleted User#0000 Thank you, bit of a step up from... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1194280534449332234/image.png?ex=6814d0ec&is=68137f6c&hm=2832bfd9612359a12464454253928011130d4d832e62f0586eef6094b549cb81& [09-Jan-24 08:04 AM] Deleted User#0000 I think this was about September last year when I first started playing, lol. [09-Jan-24 08:06 AM] Deleted User#0000 Gotta start somewhere, I suppose. [09-Jan-24 08:06 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 No no no. [09-Jan-24 08:06 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 @Deleted User Gave me a grant, I think I'm in line for a ship upgrade now. [09-Jan-24 08:07 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 If anything you should pay him my grant money at this point. [09-Jan-24 08:07 AM] Deleted User#0000 Was it through AGP or was it through Cataclism's own project? [09-Jan-24 08:07 AM] Deleted User#0000 If it wasn't through AGP you still get the 250,000k on top of whatever Cataclism gave to you. [09-Jan-24 08:07 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 I am unsure where the funds came from if they were AGP or Cataclisms. [09-Jan-24 08:08 AM] Deleted User#0000 From the looks of it, no, it was through Cataclism and his base planning. [09-Jan-24 08:09 AM] Deleted User#0000 So we'll consider you in need of 250,000 at the minute. [09-Jan-24 08:09 AM] Deleted User#0000 Either way, it'll go towards the 750,000 goal for everyone regardless, so it doesn't matter even if you had received it. [09-Jan-24 08:09 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 Okay, I will accept it and earmark the money for later usage / future project. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [09-Jan-24 08:10 AM] Deleted User#0000 Gotcha, it'll be a few days before you get it but I'll ping you when to send the cont. [09-Jan-24 08:15 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 Ah no worries on it, I was already under the impression that I had recieved it haha. xD [09-Jan-24 08:15 AM] Deleted User#0000 Shouldn't have this issue now we have the spreadsheet. [09-Jan-24 08:16 AM] Deleted User#0000 It'll be even easier when it comes to doing round two, as well. [09-Jan-24 08:16 AM] Deleted User#0000 I'll do some more work on it later, cobbled it together before work in 20 minutes. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [09-Jan-24 11:43 AM] Deleted User#0000 We got a spot in UFO's recruitment section! I'll write something up for it later. [09-Jan-24 11:43 AM] Deleted User#0000 Hopefully we get a bit more influx of new people joining soon. [09-Jan-24 11:44 AM] avalock#0000 Oooo [10-Jan-24 08:18 AM] avalock#0000 Good morning [10-Jan-24 08:18 AM] Deleted User#0000 Afternoon. Off to work. [10-Jan-24 08:18 AM] avalock#0000 good luck; have fun [10-Jan-24 08:19 AM] Deleted User#0000 Thanks, we'll see how it goes. [10-Jan-24 08:19 AM] Deleted User#0000 In more important news however, spreadsheet got an update albeit somewhat small and tonight I'll be thinking about fulfilling the rest of the 500k to meet 750k. [10-Jan-24 08:20 AM] Deleted User#0000 I think I'm sitting on enough liquid to get two people there at the minute. [10-Jan-24 08:20 AM] avalock#0000 nice nice, iโ€™m holding onto most of the capital currently, doing a more methodical plan for the carbon stuff [10-Jan-24 08:21 AM] avalock#0000 unsure how other funding is going so weโ€™re operating under the assumption of โ€œno current additional fundingโ€ [10-Jan-24 08:25 AM] Deleted User#0000 We are steadily working through our backlog. [10-Jan-24 08:25 AM] Deleted User#0000 My consumable costs are quite high and quite frequent so I have to be careful how much I spend at once so my people don't starve, since that's apparently frowned upon. [10-Jan-24 08:26 AM] Deleted User#0000 Need more debt to make more money, is what I'm thinking at the minute. [10-Jan-24 08:26 AM] Deleted User#0000 I have 1 guy who owes me 1.2 in the next 7 days so I'll have about 700 after I pay sidepipe/Afka [10-Jan-24 08:27 AM] Deleted User#0000 So I can help with the third? They must just send a contract [10-Jan-24 08:28 AM] Deleted User#0000 Yes, I'll add whatever you are willing to donate to the sheet when I'm able. [10-Jan-24 08:28 AM] Deleted User#0000 And then we'll go from there. [10-Jan-24 08:32 AM] avalock#0000 oh of course, i judt figure i should set up like a small bit of stuff before big things happen [10-Jan-24 08:33 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m aiming for stably making 60 carbon/day by EoW atleast [10-Jan-24 08:35 AM] avalock#0000 so that way i can start capital generation [10-Jan-24 08:36 AM] Deleted User#0000 Depending on the end needs of the project we should already have 3 bases offered up for C, that being 1 x Avacyn 1 x Waddles 1 x Red (I may be wrong, I cannot read what I wrote) Plus 3 that we may or may not use [10-Jan-24 08:37 AM] avalock#0000 then iโ€™ll go for ALO mining and AL/general smelting [10-Jan-24 08:37 AM] Deleted User#0000 Okay so just you and Red {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1194651223454920835/image.png?ex=6814d8a7&is=68138727&hm=548c6340ee78ca50eddffcbd0f8965b3ff2b304e4d50f459511507c189e27ca3& [10-Jan-24 08:37 AM] avalock#0000 :FingyGuns: [10-Jan-24 08:37 AM] Deleted User#0000 I'm going off whoever sent the plans first, lol [10-Jan-24 08:37 AM] avalock#0000 if thereโ€™s a metal we need tho iโ€™d be happy to mine it [10-Jan-24 08:38 AM] Deleted User#0000 I think focus on C because I'd definitely rather have to much of it than too little [10-Jan-24 08:39 AM] Deleted User#0000 Up to you, but C Might be safer for capital [10-Jan-24 08:39 AM] avalock#0000 of course, i was thinking something riskier because C generation and AL generation is good but if we flood markets with our own materials prices will probably go down even with a controlled outflow [10-Jan-24 08:41 AM] Deleted User#0000 My brain is in no condition to do market analytics ๐Ÿ˜œ [10-Jan-24 08:42 AM] avalock#0000 i suppose AL makes the most things when it comes to production [10-Jan-24 08:42 AM] Deleted User#0000 Eh, the most important things, [10-Jan-24 08:42 AM] avalock#0000 steel might be worth it [10-Jan-24 08:42 AM] avalock#0000 idk if infrastructure is a huge thing [10-Jan-24 08:43 AM] Deleted User#0000 I'm off to bed for 30 minutes, I'll do some digging on Sheets and FIO Docs later [10-Jan-24 08:43 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™d more so be banking on the like potential for steel demand in the future {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [10-Jan-24 08:44 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™d need to do more research but like [10-Jan-24 08:45 AM] Deleted User#0000 https://doc.fnar.net/ [10-Jan-24 08:45 AM] Deleted User#0000 https://tenor.com/view/truth-conspiracy-theory-gif-12846713 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/truth-conspiracy-theory-gif-12846713 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/fz3KQF0X5lsueU7QjRAdpKxJO8pdUAQIcoQhqCEgflY/https/media.tenor.com/S4UbUGXlFIIAAAAe/truth-conspiracy.png [10-Jan-24 08:45 AM] avalock#0000 in terms of diversifying out portfolio in metal [10-Jan-24 08:46 AM] Deleted User#0000 I think Astra and\or Jvaler would know more, I've never really done metals next to minor smelting on montem [10-Jan-24 08:50 AM] avalock#0000 will do [10-Jan-24 09:31 AM] pennyclafe#0000 Hello Why Im not in the list? :( [10-Jan-24 09:47 AM] avalock#0000 my guess would be that you didnt ping him when he was making the list and asked people to let him know who needed a grant [10-Jan-24 09:47 AM] avalock#0000 :hehe: my philosophy is to โ€œbe in peoples faceโ€ so they donโ€™t forget about me with stuff [10-Jan-24 09:48 AM] avalock#0000 so long as its not overbearing ot annoying [10-Jan-24 10:02 AM] jvaler#0000 @avalock i don't really know much about what metals are good or profitable other than what i've already told you about SI. i've basically been doing max AL smelting on deimos my entire time playing, and my vulcan base is ""contracted out"" running FS recipes for someone else doing ship prod. which isn't very reflective of actual market demand lol [10-Jan-24 10:04 AM] jvaler#0000 there is no 3rd metallurgy planet in ANT space is there? i remember looking and not finding anything, and the 3rd party tools are unreliable in showing COGC programs [10-Jan-24 10:05 AM] avalock#0000 noted :hehe: [10-Jan-24 10:09 AM] jvaler#0000 OH SE-648a, i never realized [10-Jan-24 10:16 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m just thinking for myself and that diversifying might be a good idea [10-Jan-24 10:16 AM] avalock#0000 i suppose i could diversify into another field (was thinking fuel) [10-Jan-24 10:24 AM] jvaler#0000 i'm thinking about BMPs on heph personally. REP looks to be extremely profitable at the moment [10-Jan-24 10:56 AM] avalock#0000 yeah that could be good :hehe: [10-Jan-24 11:41 AM] Deleted User#0000 @pennyclafe I wasn't aware you still needed one hence the "please ping me". [10-Jan-24 11:41 AM] Deleted User#0000 I'll add you when I'm able. [10-Jan-24 11:56 AM] pennyclafe#0000 Thanks :) [10-Jan-24 06:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 @pennyclafe Added to the list. [12-Jan-24 03:38 PM] Deleted User#0000 All the NCC minus 1 mil can go towards AGP {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1195481973934788688/image.png?ex=68149299&is=68134119&hm=ef0207347210d4562d3994ee994529195eef3046d5580ba3e01ec589edf9e028& [12-Jan-24 03:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 BTW I plan on ripping down a few bases soon so I may put some stuff up here to ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [12-Jan-24 03:39 PM] avalock#0000 aha wanna give me 1 mil :Peeposhy: [12-Jan-24 03:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 Nah for sidepipe/Afka [12-Jan-24 03:40 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: makes sense [12-Jan-24 03:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 but do you want some base mats instead [12-Jan-24 03:40 PM] avalock#0000 yes please [12-Jan-24 03:41 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm ripping down most of my MOR bases and one or two in ANT so I'll put the mats up here when I'm done [12-Jan-24 03:41 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'll do it at some point, need to make sure I'm not contracting them out [12-Jan-24 03:42 PM] avalock#0000 sounds good, i can make a list for you [12-Jan-24 03:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1195483170167070962/image.png?ex=681493b6&is=68134236&hm=7c82f00fe30de3452845e513d3c00bc1209e63afd33594e156da4e8b5b152a19& [12-Jan-24 03:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 Those are the five I'm deposing of [12-Jan-24 03:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 My credit has gone to shit, lmao {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1195483724846997544/image.png?ex=6814943b&is=681342bb&hm=c90d81d24b0f4101465f90281383c3c90b4c86269297de06564f5efa3ed0743c& [12-Jan-24 03:46 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: [12-Jan-24 04:12 PM] Deleted User#0000 lol, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avCidUN9k8o&t=1s {Embed} The Wolfe Tones - Topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avCidUN9k8o&start=1 Celtic Symphony Provided to YouTube by The Orchard Enterprises Celtic Symphony ยท The Wolfe Tones 25th Anniversary โ„— 2013 Celtic Collections Released on: 2013-07-26 Music Publisher: Skin Music Auto-generated by YouTube. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/PPsX_zAF5MALqKwAHQ1zAAYsYOZO6PVxCxkigNDsViA/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/avCidUN9k8o/maxresdefault.jpg [14-Jan-24 04:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 New (maybe permanent, who knows), logo. [14-Jan-24 04:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 Middle planet represents Mars, followed by Phobos and Deimos. [14-Jan-24 04:44 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1196223316466335834/logo.jpg?ex=6814a207&is=68135087&hm=bc7a06756ab823e2d0e931698b2290361aaa8c0943c14d7b3bd66ad1fa24c028& [14-Jan-24 04:44 PM] Deleted User#0000 https://tenor.com/view/really-nice-looking-good-thumbs-up-ok-randy-gif-13146696 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/really-nice-looking-good-thumbs-up-ok-randy-gif-13146696 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/yCBdlJOl6k6QpcmLvTwVJJ81mn_yB-ye8TXJQkkykxg/https/media.tenor.com/-p7KNj4W87kAAAAe/really-nice-looking-good.png [14-Jan-24 04:51 PM] avalock#0000 Green white and orange seem like interesting colors :0_Wow_sparkle: [14-Jan-24 04:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 I feel a little rebellion stirring: Seun, Tracy, Deany, Lacy, Barry, Collins ๐Ÿคฃ [14-Jan-24 04:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 Hm? [14-Jan-24 04:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 Orange white and green joke? [14-Jan-24 04:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 Provos [14-Jan-24 04:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 Seรกn Hales, Denis "Sonny" O'Neill, Pat Deasy, Sean "Lacy" O'Mahony, and Tom Barry and Micheal Collins [14-Jan-24 04:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 Ah, I see. [14-Jan-24 05:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 I mispelt Deasy, I apologize [14-Jan-24 05:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 Absolutely unacceptable. [14-Jan-24 05:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 Lol. [14-Jan-24 05:01 PM] Deleted User#0000 Fun fact, he had a injury named after him [14-Jan-24 05:01 PM] avalock#0000 I wish I could see a history of like... market transactions [14-Jan-24 05:01 PM] Deleted User#0000 (A deasy shot or as the Americans solidified it a safety or canoeing shot) [14-Jan-24 05:02 PM] Deleted User#0000 Own orders? [14-Jan-24 05:02 PM] avalock#0000 yeeee, I'm doing my weekly accounting bit since its 6:00 [14-Jan-24 05:02 PM] Deleted User#0000 Why? [14-Jan-24 05:03 PM] avalock#0000 Why not :hehe: [14-Jan-24 05:03 PM] Deleted User#0000 It's six, go to bed [14-Jan-24 05:03 PM] avalock#0000 8 is bed time, I got laundry in [14-Jan-24 05:03 PM] Deleted User#0000 CXOS. [14-Jan-24 05:03 PM] Deleted User#0000 What he said [14-Jan-24 05:03 PM] avalock#0000 unfortunately deleted filled :pensivebread: [14-Jan-24 05:03 PM] Deleted User#0000 Welp. [14-Jan-24 05:03 PM] Deleted User#0000 Ish [14-Jan-24 05:04 PM] avalock#0000 is fiiiine [14-Jan-24 05:04 PM] avalock#0000 I'll just note production rates instead [14-Jan-24 05:04 PM] avalock#0000 or well [14-Jan-24 05:04 PM] avalock#0000 non liquid assets [14-Jan-24 05:05 PM] avalock#0000 nvm I got it :hehe: [14-Jan-24 05:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 ร‰ire go Brรกch [14-Jan-24 05:13 PM] avalock#0000 oh in good news, I have the materials for base 2 and 3 [14-Jan-24 05:14 PM] avalock#0000 Going to be starting up the Nascent base first, and getting that all settled before moving onto the deimos hub [14-Jan-24 07:58 PM] havanista#0000 I Wondered where was the antares logo, when i log in, but for me, i prefer the original logo.... [15-Jan-24 03:19 AM] avalock#0000 :giggle: [15-Jan-24 04:36 AM] Deleted User#0000 Giggling huh. [15-Jan-24 04:36 AM] Deleted User#0000 Gremlin. [15-Jan-24 04:36 AM] avalock#0000 :meoW: [15-Jan-24 11:52 PM] jvaler#0000 okay so i've got the 20 BMP base materials together but i actually have no idea what i want to do with it. 20 BMPs worth of REP is so overkill i'd crash the market trying to sell it all [15-Jan-24 11:53 PM] jvaler#0000 also i have no clue where i'd get that many MFK from anyways. there's like none on CXOB [15-Jan-24 11:56 PM] jvaler#0000 can't make them myself cause my FS on vulcan are tied up with rise ๐Ÿ˜ญ [16-Jan-24 01:58 AM] flor2081#0000 You can do a mix of ove, pwo, mcg, pe and all that [16-Jan-24 01:59 AM] flor2081#0000 Then you'll never have to buy those consumables again [16-Jan-24 02:19 AM] Deleted User#0000 Damn Rise. [16-Jan-24 05:30 AM] avalock#0000 good morning [16-Jan-24 06:18 AM] Deleted User#0000 https://tenor.com/view/only-god-can-help-you-now-moz-mckellan-anthony-alabi-family-reunion-youre-on-your-own-gif-18417925 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/only-god-can-help-you-now-moz-mckellan-anthony-alabi-family-reunion-youre-on-your-own-gif-18417925 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/6YJmDCJuWzGx1_dy-aza8E75IFn2kc-CBwn1fK5ENII/https/media.tenor.com/ED-sTVGCHb8AAAAe/only-god-can-help-you-now-moz-mckellan.png [16-Jan-24 06:31 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 PE and MCG are where it's at, but also, 20 BMPs running REP is probably not enough to crash the market (it's what I'm about to do...) right now. Demand is high at the moment and that's good money. ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [16-Jan-24 06:33 AM] avalock#0000 bought two weeks of supplies for my workers [16-Jan-24 08:39 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 tfw you're trying to figure out what happened to ~100 iron, not on a ship, not in a warehouse... it's in a contract for me to pickup cause I hadn't the space. [16-Jan-24 08:39 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://tenor.com/b0Cox.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/po-facepalm-gif-27277915 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Bn83dPhhDjfqv7IFNUjMmXyFCvo2ieQeARGYo69pfGo/https/media.tenor.com/VFtxv4iH02kAAAAe/po-facepalm.png [16-Jan-24 08:43 AM] limp_wristed#0000 7 days till my pro expires, apparently. 30 days went quick [16-Jan-24 08:44 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 you reminded me to check mine. I've got a month and 3 days still. You aren't kidding about time flying. [16-Jan-24 09:42 AM] limp_wristed#0000 think i'll take another lowstrife loan while i still can and then coast with FREE as long as i can [16-Jan-24 09:42 AM] limp_wristed#0000 could be worth upgrading one of my ships as well [16-Jan-24 09:42 AM] limp_wristed#0000 or both [16-Jan-24 09:50 AM] Deleted User#0000 Have you spoken to @Deleted User? [16-Jan-24 10:59 AM] jvaler#0000 maybe... a dozen different inputs is a pain in the ass though [16-Jan-24 10:59 AM] flor2081#0000 nahh you'll get used to it ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-Jan-24 11:37 AM] avalock#0000 its good we donโ€™t need to worry about planning out the physical factories to produce mats. My girlfriend and I are playing satisfactory and weโ€™re making documents on factory buildings and transportation networks [16-Jan-24 12:19 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Looks like I need to actually play that game based on what you just said. Is it better than Factorio (If you have played that) [16-Jan-24 12:20 PM] avalock#0000 :shrug: imo they all scratch an itch [16-Jan-24 12:21 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I'll have to look into it and see if my group has a server. xD (Industry Idle is another logistics simulator xd) [16-Jan-24 12:21 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: [16-Jan-24 01:02 PM] flor2081#0000 its like a peaceful version of factorio [16-Jan-24 01:02 PM] flor2081#0000 yeah idk how to describe it, they're both very fun ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-Jan-24 01:24 PM] Deleted User#0000 Satisfactory replaces biters with fall damage and a third dimension [16-Jan-24 01:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 While a more useful third dimensions than the limitations of factorio [16-Jan-24 01:26 PM] avalock#0000 you got hogs sputters and spiders [16-Jan-24 01:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 Eh, but they mainly to enforce the habitat annihilation aspect of the game [16-Jan-24 01:28 PM] Deleted User#0000 Along with those interesting looking tall things that always get in the way [16-Jan-24 01:29 PM] avalock#0000 personally whenever i play games i like to give the locals a disability [16-Jan-24 01:29 PM] avalock#0000 freedom disability [16-Jan-24 01:31 PM] avalock#0000 i also like dyson sphere program [16-Jan-24 01:31 PM] Deleted User#0000 Seen it never played it [16-Jan-24 01:32 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 i think its just satisfactory but in space [16-Jan-24 01:32 PM] avalock#0000 i enjoy setting up fleets of freighters [16-Jan-24 01:32 PM] avalock#0000 and making hubs [16-Jan-24 01:33 PM] Deleted User#0000 But you get factorio in space... soon... hopefully [16-Jan-24 01:34 PM] Deleted User#0000 I mix all of those through Minecraft, however weird it sounds, although I'd argue it goes into a bit more depth. [16-Jan-24 01:34 PM] Deleted User#0000 https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-373 {Embed} https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-373 Friday Facts #373 - Factorio: Space Age | Factorio Hello, long time no see! Today we are going to talk about the expansion which is called Factorio: Space Age. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/vz9PT3ND2ryzMB4JU_1VK9xZ9tmO4YylPakHaYS4w4A/https/cdn.factorio.com/assets/img/blog/fff-373-thumbnail.png [16-Jan-24 01:35 PM] avalock#0000 i wish i could build a moon tarp in any of those games [16-Jan-24 01:36 PM] avalock#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1196900749997785118/IMG_4493.png?ex=681475f0&is=68132470&hm=675de87251b80fb89c625c2b107bc7e7dc814025ca461ab89ef51e09850924e2& [16-Jan-24 01:38 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://tenor.com/blwIb.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/booyah-general-mark-r-naird-steve-carell-space-force-yeah-gif-17484621 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/SqLQgHOrenLKmKD3oXy9_Cd2EcGua4qyXeGULRYIAPc/https/media.tenor.com/EJKdFs_M9nUAAAAe/booyah-general-mark-r-naird.png [16-Jan-24 01:39 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Add a laser to it for reasons. [16-Jan-24 01:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 And aim it at the suppliers of Tar Oil {Reactions} ๐Ÿดโ€โ˜ ๏ธ [16-Jan-24 01:40 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://tenor.com/b1GhE.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-dark-side-gif-27531192 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/iebr0Efee2k2e47AgJ3IW273lRyuaOzQU7W248IAVHE/https/media.tenor.com/cFwb8-TvjyAAAAAe/star-wars.png [16-Jan-24 01:41 PM] Deleted User#0000 If you only new the power of the light side, lol [16-Jan-24 01:41 PM] avalock#0000 if you only knew the power of the morally grey side [16-Jan-24 01:41 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 approximately 7 gigajoules [16-Jan-24 01:41 PM] Deleted User#0000 I thought that was both sides? [16-Jan-24 01:41 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 for lightning [16-Jan-24 01:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 Well then, our special was 12 amps [16-Jan-24 01:42 PM] avalock#0000 i wouldnt say space hitler is the light side [16-Jan-24 01:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 Have you seen the dark side? [16-Jan-24 01:42 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://tenor.com/LOVD.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/pink-floyd-prism-dark-side-of-the-moon-gif-8974839 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/5SkIJ4nJvaLxW6M3x3qfxnJo3pD9gxvnBbC4wPojSnQ/https/media.tenor.com/-OKisc6dDTIAAAAe/pink-floyd-prism.png [16-Jan-24 01:43 PM] avalock#0000 of the moon? [16-Jan-24 01:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 Light refraction, compliments of your retina [16-Jan-24 01:43 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Ask and you shall receive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ynZnEBtvw {Embed} Pink Floyd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ynZnEBtvw Pink Floyd - The Dark Side Of The Moon (50th Anniversary) [2023 Rem... Atom Heart Mother Special Edition on CD & Blu Ray performed at Hakone Aphrodite Festival, Japan in August 1971. Out now: https://pinkfloyd.lnk.to/AtomHeartMotherHakone 50th anniversary of Pink Floyd's 'The Dark Side of the Moon' celebrated with new box set available March 24. Out now: https://pinkfloyd.lnk.to/DarkSide50th *TRACKLISTING* 0:00 S... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Rl_why_2XLPF1TkY37FpoqI_I3B27vaH0g_7a-_hunE/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/k9ynZnEBtvw/sddefault.jpg [16-Jan-24 01:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 Hmm? [16-Jan-24 01:44 PM] avalock#0000 oh god [16-Jan-24 01:44 PM] avalock#0000 is that the rodger waters one [16-Jan-24 01:44 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 > THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON STUDIO ALBUM CREDITS: > 1 SPEAK TO ME (Nick Mason) > 2 BREATHE (IN THE AIR) (Roger Waters, David Gilmour, Richard Wright) > 3 ON THE RUN (David Gilmour, Roger Waters) > 4 TIME (Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Richard Wright, David Gilmour) > 5 THE GREAT GIG IN THE SKY (Richard Wright - Vocal composition on The Great Gig In The Sky by Clare Torry) > 6 MONEY (Roger Waters) > 7 US AND THEM (Roger Waters, Richard Wright) > 8 ANY COLOUR YOU LIKE (David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Richard Wright) > 9 BRAIN DAMAGE (Roger Waters) > 10 ECLIPSE (Roger Waters) > > DAVID GILMOUR Vocals, Guitars, VCS3 > NICK MASON Percussion, Tape Effects > RICHARD WRIGHT Keyboards, Vocals, VCS3 > ROGER WATERS Bass Guitar, Vocals, VCS3, Tape Effects > > Produced by PINK FLOYD > Recorded at Abbey Road Studios, London, between May 1972 and January 1973 > Engineer Alan Parsons > Assistant Peter James > Mixing supervised by Chris Thomas > Remastered by James Guthrie > > Saxophone on โ€˜Us And Themโ€™ and โ€˜Moneyโ€™ Dick Parry > Vocals on โ€˜The Great Gig In The Skyโ€™ by Clare Torry > Backing Vocals by Doris Troy, Lesley Duncan, Liza Strike, Barry St John > > Original Cover Design & Photography by Hipgnosis > Graphics & Artwork by George Hardie N.T.A. > Heartbeat Graphic from an idea by Roger Waters > Prism Photography by Tony May & Storm Thorgerson > Reissue design by Peter Curzon / StormStudios > > All Lyrics by ROGER WATERS [16-Jan-24 01:45 PM] avalock#0000 :PepeLa: [16-Jan-24 01:46 PM] Deleted User#0000 Why is one the bastard? [16-Jan-24 01:46 PM] Deleted User#0000 Reject music, embrace :al:. [16-Jan-24 01:48 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Og1N-BVSwg {Embed} Oliver Tree https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Og1N-BVSwg Oliver Tree & Little Big - The Internet [Music Video] Oliver Tree & Little Big - The Internet [Music Video] New Album 'Alone In A Crowd' out now: https://olivertree.lnk.to/AloneInACrowdID Shop 'Alone In A Crowd' vinyl, signed merch and more: https://olivertree.lnk.to/ShopID Directed by Oliver Tree, Alina Pasok & Maxim Semyonov 'Welcome To The Internet' EP out now: https://lnk.to/WelcomeToTheInte... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/xC0gg1_Xu56A5AoB5gy2S-diT1CRxTR1r_uW_22NiRM/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/5Og1N-BVSwg/maxresdefault.jpg [16-Jan-24 01:48 PM] avalock#0000 reject music [16-Jan-24 01:48 PM] avalock#0000 embrace [16-Jan-24 01:48 PM] avalock#0000 https://youtu.be/ev2xdPRAiqM?si=lDsPUr1NmhsSK9XO {Embed} Sewerslvt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev2xdPRAiqM Sewerslvt - Slvtcrvsher DOWNLOAD: https://sewerslvt.bandcamp.com/album/skitzofrenia-simulation https://sewerslvt.bandcamp.com/ https://www.patreon.com/sewerslvt https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/t7rDb327K75go-wahd0nWs8-1RSOoc8H8vImjgN_AIY/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/ev2xdPRAiqM/maxresdefault.jpg [16-Jan-24 01:48 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 This means economical war! [16-Jan-24 01:48 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://tenor.com/56G2.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/guerra-war-ready-to-fight-gear-up-arnold-schwarzenegger-gif-13809686 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/srGjb6aOMJP9X7jVsDPaz7FcHZV12xTZRsHx7JtfnP4/https/media.tenor.com/gAZOAL1Dh04AAAAe/guerra-war.png [16-Jan-24 01:49 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Antares must rise! [16-Jan-24 01:49 PM] Deleted User#0000 The American Civil War v2, Antares VS Democrats [16-Jan-24 01:49 PM] avalock#0000 :Uhm: [16-Jan-24 01:49 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://tenor.com/bkY4z.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/R3t5tC4zWJeTPULClhxoqZehyT7lpBtS1U-BdKYn01Q/https/media.tenor.com/LLu6EdwJk3sAAAAe/big-oof-size.png [16-Jan-24 01:50 PM] avalock#0000 anyways how about the buffalo bills [16-Jan-24 01:50 PM] Deleted User#0000 Make Antares Great Again, I will build a wall around Castillo-Ito Mercantile. [16-Jan-24 01:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 And make hortus pay for it [16-Jan-24 01:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 Indeed. [16-Jan-24 01:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 :antares: [16-Jan-24 01:51 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 FOR ANTARES!!! [16-Jan-24 01:52 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://tenor.com/bd8T5.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/zombie-horde-mob-attacking-rushing-gif-15724807 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/DPTGozlZd8_9IvMO-KWL5bi3bXa-xxNPvfhKgCWSYgc/https/media.tenor.com/ZDejV8A11u0AAAAe/zombie-horde.png [16-Jan-24 01:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 And this kids is how the UASR was born [16-Jan-24 01:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 Extremism in this Discord is fine so long as it is solely Antares related. [16-Jan-24 01:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 ๐Ÿคฃ [16-Jan-24 01:53 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I can always hide on Promitor for your crimes @Deleted User xD [16-Jan-24 01:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 The next great leader [16-Jan-24 01:53 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 exile that is the word im looking for. i can always exile to Promitor. [16-Jan-24 01:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 When Molp brings us to the international court at the Exodus Council, we will plead not guilty. [16-Jan-24 01:53 PM] avalock#0000 so any antareans want to unionize [16-Jan-24 01:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 WOAH. [16-Jan-24 01:54 PM] Deleted User#0000 Hold up there. [16-Jan-24 01:54 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 @Deleted User How do I build WMDs in game? [16-Jan-24 01:54 PM] Deleted User#0000 Jesus that turned around fast, lmao [16-Jan-24 01:54 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Although a union with fines would probably remind me to fix my starving engineers... [16-Jan-24 01:54 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: [16-Jan-24 01:55 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 (this is a joke) [16-Jan-24 01:55 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I have to ensure it's a joke or I'll give @Deleted User a stroke again [16-Jan-24 01:55 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m gonna create the Antarean Safety Board with two divisions one operating like the NTSB, the other OSHA [16-Jan-24 01:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 I mean, in technicality, this could be considered some form of a union. [16-Jan-24 01:56 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://tenor.com/bid0I.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/marx-marxism-communism-intesifies-funny-gif-16697750 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/b7OxUwZ3gMFYoLXqMxkLuTV-o-SxvlXssm_1EfcfBCo/https/media.tenor.com/ILlWCU-mL1UAAAAe/marx-marxism.png [16-Jan-24 01:56 PM] Deleted User#0000 The United socialists Antares Republic [16-Jan-24 01:56 PM] Deleted User#0000 Shut down competitor's bases and bring their pio to us. [16-Jan-24 01:57 PM] avalock#0000 But i want an italian new yorker who has worked in the fruit business all his life as our union boss [16-Jan-24 01:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm not so sure the fruit business really translates well to this kind of system. [16-Jan-24 01:57 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Best we can offer is an italian plumber who has worked in the fruit aquirement business all his life. [16-Jan-24 01:57 PM] avalock#0000 the mob? [16-Jan-24 01:58 PM] avalock#0000 im saying we get a mobster [16-Jan-24 01:58 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://tenor.com/b0iZD.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/the-super-mario-bros-movie-trailer-lets-a-go-mario-gif-27203335 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/GPaS8Ma5c7KABbPQGMXxMXZQrNPC2dOKo6yOO2xe4Fo/https/media.tenor.com/31ko72Rt1rAAAAAe/the-super-mario-bros-movie-trailer.png [16-Jan-24 01:58 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 And Im saying we get Mario. [16-Jan-24 01:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 All in favour of ASHA (Antares Safety and Health Administration). {Reactions} antares (2) [16-Jan-24 01:59 PM] avalock#0000 oh we could be the antarean alluminum mov [16-Jan-24 01:59 PM] avalock#0000 mob* [16-Jan-24 01:59 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Negitions are way simple with the Luigi Death Stare though... [16-Jan-24 01:59 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://tenor.com/bbKde.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/satan-luigi-mario-kart-death-stare-gif-15153238 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/9lNaDUXJaJwFTWBT9ypZenpBMeZanP4SyJxM3mrBsA4/https/media.tenor.com/n9ZuaVam51oAAAAe/satan-luigi.png [16-Jan-24 01:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 Negotiations are easy if you just tell them how it'll be instead of negotiating. [16-Jan-24 02:00 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 See the above gif. Thats all we send them when we make our request. I think they will understand Luigi has a killer fire combo. [16-Jan-24 02:01 PM] avalock#0000 i take the american approach to negotiatings [16-Jan-24 02:01 PM] avalock#0000 โ€œwe donโ€™t negotiate with terroristsโ€ [16-Jan-24 02:01 PM] Deleted User#0000 If you can do a somewhat passable Italian-American accent we could have you be our ASHA (Antares Safety and Health Administration) chief enforcer whenever Greater Antares rises. [16-Jan-24 02:02 PM] avalock#0000 aw a literal new yorker i can [16-Jan-24 02:02 PM] avalock#0000 as* [16-Jan-24 02:02 PM] Deleted User#0000 We cannot go wrong. [16-Jan-24 02:02 PM] Deleted User#0000 We have immediate authenticity. [16-Jan-24 02:03 PM] Deleted User#0000 Arguably they should just hand us the keys to Antares anyway. [16-Jan-24 02:03 PM] avalock#0000 i was born to work a low show job where i give people their liquor license but kick back to an OSHA guy [16-Jan-24 02:04 PM] Deleted User#0000 Now you get to take people's GIN, ALE and KOM away. [16-Jan-24 02:04 PM] jvaler#0000 who will run the ANT warehouse smuggling operation [16-Jan-24 02:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 I think that falls under the jurisdiction of our good friend Ava here. [16-Jan-24 02:05 PM] jvaler#0000 trustworthy hands [16-Jan-24 02:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 If we steal 1 ๐Ÿ€ and 1 DW per day per person with an ANT warehouse, we'll feed everyone. [16-Jan-24 02:06 PM] Deleted User#0000 Maybe not, but, still. [16-Jan-24 02:06 PM] jvaler#0000 just like robinhood, if you really think about it. maybe. [16-Jan-24 02:06 PM] Deleted User#0000 I can see it. [16-Jan-24 02:07 PM] avalock#0000 honestlyโ€ฆ what i would love to fo [16-Jan-24 02:07 PM] avalock#0000 do* [16-Jan-24 02:07 PM] avalock#0000 middle of no where in the outer rim [16-Jan-24 02:07 PM] avalock#0000 local market [16-Jan-24 02:08 PM] avalock#0000 like 100 AIC/100 u of fuel [16-Jan-24 02:08 PM] Deleted User#0000 Random system called Pirate's Bay. [16-Jan-24 02:08 PM] jvaler#0000 1 AIC per SF? [16-Jan-24 02:09 PM] avalock#0000 sf and FF [16-Jan-24 02:09 PM] avalock#0000 :PepeLa: in like BS [16-Jan-24 02:09 PM] jvaler#0000 some rando will find it, buy it, and never pick it up lolol [16-Jan-24 02:10 PM] avalock#0000 honestly it would be like a fuel rat operation [16-Jan-24 02:12 PM] Deleted User#0000 *gremlin.* [16-Jan-24 02:13 PM] avalock#0000 :meoW: [16-Jan-24 02:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 I know a Italian in California who does olive oil? [16-Jan-24 02:18 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 "but we are the terrorists sir" [16-Jan-24 02:18 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 It's close enough it could work. Olives are fruits I think. [16-Jan-24 02:18 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Stone fruits or something [16-Jan-24 02:19 PM] Deleted User#0000 I see ava got elected [16-Jan-24 02:19 PM] Deleted User#0000 Lol [16-Jan-24 02:19 PM] avalock#0000 :Salute: [16-Jan-24 02:19 PM] Deleted User#0000 I believe they own a few farms [16-Jan-24 02:20 PM] Deleted User#0000 Rather big family affair [16-Jan-24 02:20 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Olive oil is serious business. [16-Jan-24 02:20 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://tenor.com/0gtT.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/olitalia-olitaliapolska-oliwa-olive-oil-italian-chef-gif-12417343 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/JaoFxY9J1CM8WR_LIB3edfZ949QSFz3meS5f_ZG5_jU/https/media.tenor.com/Vy6MfnVdsNUAAAAe/olitalia-olitaliapolska.png [16-Jan-24 02:21 PM] Deleted User#0000 Allot of money in it [16-Jan-24 02:21 PM] Deleted User#0000 But allot of damb effort [16-Jan-24 02:22 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I've bought the cheaper ones and the more expensive ones before... The more expensive ones I think are "smoother" or something [16-Jan-24 02:22 PM] Deleted User#0000 I have never used olive oil, and don't intend to [16-Jan-24 02:23 PM] avalock#0000 olive oil [16-Jan-24 02:23 PM] jvaler#0000 olive oil [16-Jan-24 02:23 PM] avalock#0000 :sraCHUGGERS: [16-Jan-24 02:23 PM] jvaler#0000 guh [16-Jan-24 02:23 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://tenor.com/blTdu.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/popeye-girl-power-olive-oyl-eating-spinach-eat-spinach-gif-17571130 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/JywTh1Hj9bGfat3ZWXgYkwkzMxeHD53qw5jjZ7Zn4Kw/https/media.tenor.com/8Fd32nRK3IcAAAAe/popeye-girl-power.png [16-Jan-24 02:23 PM] avalock#0000 btw dont chug olive oil [16-Jan-24 02:23 PM] avalock#0000 unless you actually want to shit your brains out [16-Jan-24 02:23 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Lol the people at StarBucks taught the world that. lmfao [16-Jan-24 02:24 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: [16-Jan-24 02:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 I think thats a rather old remedy [16-Jan-24 02:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 Leave it for long enough in the cupboard and it will be more than their brains [16-Jan-24 02:25 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Oh it definitely is, and StarBucks sold it as a drink last year iirc. Bunch of people shit themselves in more than one way. [16-Jan-24 02:26 PM] Deleted User#0000 Well I mean Americans can be rather full of it [16-Jan-24 02:26 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://www.self.com/story/starbucks-olive-oil-coffee-making-you-poop {Embed} https://www.self.com/story/starbucks-olive-oil-coffee-making-you-poop Why Starbucksโ€™s New Olive Oil Coffee Is Allegedly Making People Poo... You don't have to skip the drinkโ€”but you should have a game plan ready. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/-ALdOgX3rQMCrzBWIR9OuA1jJp6fBDHxt0G9g4VlZ5M/https/media.self.com/photos/6435a5405d37061b236cc0e0/2%3A1/w_1280%2Cc_limit/AdobeStock_293655185_Editorial_Use_Only.jpeg [16-Jan-24 02:26 PM] avalock#0000 who needs starbucks when you can have IBS [16-Jan-24 02:26 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Or a gluten intolerance and you sometimes eat the gluten... [16-Jan-24 02:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'd choose coffee over IBS any day of the week [16-Jan-24 02:27 PM] avalock#0000 All the hot girls have ibs [16-Jan-24 02:27 PM] avalock#0000 good thing i dont have IBS [16-Jan-24 02:27 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 by that logic you are ugly girl or man [16-Jan-24 02:28 PM] Deleted User#0000 Ha, not that cool when you got to treat it [16-Jan-24 02:28 PM] avalock#0000 ye i am but we work on it [16-Jan-24 02:29 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 So again ugly girl = men? ๐Ÿ˜› [16-Jan-24 02:29 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 so confused. xD [16-Jan-24 02:29 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: you said or [16-Jan-24 02:29 PM] Deleted User#0000 https://youtu.be/X29lF43mUlo?si=70UL3a3MHvk_da1P {Embed} Geen Naam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo George Carlin - Germs, Immune System Snippet from "You are all Diseased!" This footage is copyrighted and is uploaded to YouTube for educational purposes. I claim no ownership of this material. http://www.georgecarlin.com/ Buy the DVD here: DVD: http://www.amazon.com/George-Carlin-You-Are-Diseased/dp/B00007G1WZ Buy the CD here: http://www.amazon.com/You-Are-Diseased-George-Carli... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Nv6w6TilnGF-T82iD7we3_M9aaWVDUgyEZqXjaTkD5Q/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/X29lF43mUlo/sddefault.jpg {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [16-Jan-24 02:29 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 And you said yes instead of a selection. [16-Jan-24 02:30 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Therefore I equated them for you. [16-Jan-24 02:30 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 >:) [16-Jan-24 02:30 PM] avalock#0000 :PepeLaf: [16-Jan-24 02:32 PM] Deleted User#0000 We recently upgraded to Olive oil riot control weapons with our conquest into the lower abdominal area. [16-Jan-24 02:32 PM] avalock#0000 โ€œwhat is your genderโ€ โ€œdw about itโ€ โ€œwhat do yoy have in your pantsโ€ โ€œa gunโ€ [16-Jan-24 02:32 PM] Deleted User#0000 Sounds very American! [16-Jan-24 02:33 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 We call it concealed carry. [16-Jan-24 02:34 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m like diogenes if he was a gun owner [16-Jan-24 02:34 PM] Deleted User#0000 Question how are the constitutions your God given rights is they have had to be amended 27 times and counting [16-Jan-24 02:35 PM] Deleted User#0000 Or was someone doing a God awful job on the day? [16-Jan-24 02:35 PM] Deleted User#0000 (Reading the American constitution) [16-Jan-24 02:35 PM] avalock#0000 does no one else know diogenes [16-Jan-24 02:35 PM] avalock#0000 :pensivebread: [16-Jan-24 02:35 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Well to be quite honest we were supposed to be able to revise our Constitution every couple of years but that idea was voted down, so we've been ruled by dead men for hundreds of years... So of course they got a lot of things wrong. [16-Jan-24 02:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 I quite like it actually [16-Jan-24 02:36 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 We also don't have very many 100 year plans or anything like that, I've lost track how many quarters in a role we can't make budget and have a crisis. [16-Jan-24 02:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 Just surprised it needed 27 ammendments [16-Jan-24 02:37 PM] Deleted User#0000 We don't have a budget, so take that [16-Jan-24 02:37 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 But you do have Chinese donations across africa (I think they build hospitals or something) and American Christains... [16-Jan-24 02:38 PM] Deleted User#0000 No? [16-Jan-24 02:38 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Oh not your region? [16-Jan-24 02:38 PM] Deleted User#0000 The American Christians are basically here on one big mission and the Chinese just want to tender all our copper and gold [16-Jan-24 02:39 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6447313/#:~:text=In%202015%2C%20China%20donated%20four,%2C%20medicines%2C%20and%20power%20generators. {Embed} https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6447313/ Chinese Global Health Diplomacy in Africa: Opportunities and Challe... China has become a key actor in global health diplomacy, particularly in Africa, but little attention has been given to the evolution of Chinese health assistance to African states. This paper conceptualizes Chinese health diplomacy in Africa over the ... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Hz7PN2MBMHO-aVBpi6lah4Pzds0l5YmSH12_tWN3Ivs/%3F_%3D0/https/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/corehtml/pmc/pmcgifs/pmc-card-share.jpg [16-Jan-24 02:39 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 The American Christains is why I did ... they do do a lot of good I think [16-Jan-24 02:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 They tried this once before you can Google how we ended it :) [16-Jan-24 02:40 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Ah I'll have to see that side and read about it, as I am an American you know how hard it is to get all the facts from both sides. [16-Jan-24 02:41 PM] Deleted User#0000 You don't have to [16-Jan-24 02:41 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I still haven't found that friggin HMAS or SAS Pandora. ๐Ÿ˜… [16-Jan-24 02:41 PM] Deleted User#0000 I've tried digging but either way we look like the scum of the earth, lol [16-Jan-24 02:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'll try find something, sure a associate might have photos [16-Jan-24 02:43 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 ah okay cause only thing i find is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Pandora_(1779) And the armaments / timeframe are both wrong {Embed} https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Pandora_(1779) HMS Pandora (1779) HMS Pandora was a 24-gun Porcupine-class sixth-rate post ship of the Royal Navy launched in May 1779. The vessel is best known for its role in hunting down the Bounty mutineers in 1790, which remains one of the best-known stories in the history of seafaring. Pandora was partially successful by capturing 14 of the mutineers, but wrecked on the Gr... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/EPUJmJSu6MyswdCaFqkxzE_cMfp8zG0ZbpPVbXelhqg/https/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/HMS_Pandora.jpg [16-Jan-24 02:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 No, much later [16-Jan-24 02:43 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I'll check with some of my canadian researchers, they might have it. [16-Jan-24 02:43 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Yes you said it was only 50 years old not ~250ish [16-Jan-24 02:44 PM] Deleted User#0000 Yeah probably 50 at most 60 [16-Jan-24 02:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 You find anything on vlakplaas, lol [16-Jan-24 02:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 I realized afterward there was nothing left, my bad [16-Jan-24 02:46 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Ah no not yet I was in search of the ~~pirate~~ Pandora ship and ended up watching this video (I forgot to send you it, but also it's not the full lecture) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_njf8jwEGRo {Embed} Stanford https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_njf8jwEGRo 21. Chaos and Reductionism (May 19, 2010) Professor Robert Sapolsky gives what he calls "one of the most difficult lectures of the course" about chaos and reductionism. He references a book that he assigned to his students. This lecture focuses on reduction science and breaking things down to their component parts in order to understand them best. Stanford University: h... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Mh8b6Ot-js-9jU81MebJ2nszvl9D68TFVZ2dERUqxIA/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/_njf8jwEGRo/hqdefault.jpg [16-Jan-24 02:48 PM] Deleted User#0000 It's awesome when your lecturer leads with "I'm not sure I completely know what I'm talking about" [16-Jan-24 02:49 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Yeah that was the best part then he goes on to drop a ton of information like its nothing [16-Jan-24 02:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm just skim watching, lol I'll watch it whole when they done [16-Jan-24 02:51 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Btw I do credit you for why I found the above lecture... It was after our talk about the spine. [16-Jan-24 02:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 Why would you credit me? [16-Jan-24 02:52 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 It lead me down a different pathway / different way to make sense of the world [16-Jan-24 02:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 I explained the spine to you and that was the takeaway, lol [16-Jan-24 02:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 It's still a success, I hope [16-Jan-24 02:53 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Well it was a lot more than just that, I now understand that its a system of systems which to me at first just looked like chaos but to you you already knew the patterns [16-Jan-24 02:54 PM] Deleted User#0000 Pattens are everywhere once you know what to look for {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [16-Jan-24 02:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 People, plants, animals, molecules, all eventually leads to a repeating pattern [16-Jan-24 02:55 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Yep which also lead me to read "the pea and the sun" last night [16-Jan-24 02:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 Never heard of it [16-Jan-24 02:56 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://maa.org/press/maa-reviews/the-pea-and-the-sun-a-mathematical-paradox [16-Jan-24 02:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 Google Troxlers fading [16-Jan-24 02:58 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Hold on I have an art piece that does something like this [16-Jan-24 02:59 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Not the same effect, mine is the one that leaves an afterimage if you look at it long enough. [16-Jan-24 03:00 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Photopsia: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1196921866242248754/378832219_346909651017205_6831288862686541967_n.png?ex=6814899a&is=6813381a&hm=61495792ae727c2a8a0f5ed2e6c9154908dff14103d48582288c76b1074f5a46& [16-Jan-24 03:00 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Stare at the orange circle for like 30 seconds and then look at a wall, you'll still see the star. [16-Jan-24 03:01 PM] Deleted User#0000 Jamais vu [16-Jan-24 03:01 PM] Deleted User#0000 I see a triangle [16-Jan-24 03:02 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Oooh interesting [16-Jan-24 03:02 PM] Deleted User#0000 Wait I still owe you some pictures, lol Let me see if he's awake {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [16-Jan-24 03:03 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 But yeah I was trying to simulate the feeling of photopsia with the above photo / abusing opticial principals etc [16-Jan-24 03:03 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 The brain fills in a lot of information for us... [16-Jan-24 03:04 PM] avalock#0000 nascent base built :dankies: [16-Jan-24 03:04 PM] Deleted User#0000 Lol, just reading my calendar and noted I said id grab some photis [16-Jan-24 03:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 Whoop, whoop [16-Jan-24 03:05 PM] avalock#0000 now i just need extraction and hab modules [16-Jan-24 03:07 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://tenor.com/jcWWvmcN7GZ.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/oh-mr-bean-omg-shookt-gif-7591419032314379655 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/F6CWw1NT88gwKVXQSYUWQF-y4rTdJdSFonS2qoxFF5k/https/media.tenor.com/aVojY4o8_YcAAAAe/oh-mr-bean.png [16-Jan-24 03:08 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Noice [16-Jan-24 03:08 PM] avalock#0000 also {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1196923933375606834/IMG_4494.jpg?ex=68148b87&is=68133a07&hm=d0be06cd30ab7edd48bca3fe36c450ee753858f52c99ef79d5a8b7f3399c5e8d& [16-Jan-24 03:08 PM] avalock#0000 poor guy [16-Jan-24 03:09 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 All I know is this is for music but not sure if it's a controller or equalizer or something [16-Jan-24 03:09 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Does it connect to an amp? [16-Jan-24 03:09 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 And does it go to 11? [16-Jan-24 03:09 PM] avalock#0000 bass amp :hehe: [16-Jan-24 03:10 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 But it's missing something? Where is the speaker? [16-Jan-24 03:10 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Or are they now small things? [16-Jan-24 03:10 PM] avalock#0000 speaker is detatched [16-Jan-24 03:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 Lol [16-Jan-24 03:10 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 poor thing [16-Jan-24 03:10 PM] avalock#0000 its an amo head [16-Jan-24 03:10 PM] avalock#0000 amp* {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [16-Jan-24 03:11 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 > ammo head pew pew [16-Jan-24 03:11 PM] Deleted User#0000 Well that can have two meanings, lol [16-Jan-24 03:12 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'd imagine one has a much greater chance of survival [16-Jan-24 03:14 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 From the wikipedia now that I'm reading the full page: > Further experimentation this century by Hsieh and Tse showed that at least some portion of the perceptual fading occurred in the brain, not in the eyes [16-Jan-24 03:16 PM] Deleted User#0000 ๐Ÿ‘Œ [18-Jan-24 12:30 PM] avalock#0000 good morning [18-Jan-24 12:30 PM] avalock#0000 :meoW: [18-Jan-24 12:34 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-cats-nap-napping-gif-15654001 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-cats-nap-napping-gif-15654001 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/9Cg65_4-Pf5R1WVRSQCnRE75xavxwrFGRopQKu_8vXQ/https/media.tenor.com/CN20oPSpPEEAAAAe/cat-kitten.png [18-Jan-24 12:35 PM] avalock#0000 how goes things :3 [18-Jan-24 01:07 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Experiencing mixed emotions about the extra work I just signed up for ๐Ÿ˜… {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1197618218316083200/Screenshot_20240118_140213.jpg?ex=681517e1&is=6813c661&hm=77593b3158807f8d85f8a6d6e544dd613e1ef75ba26aac91b5be089d144c5ed5& [18-Jan-24 01:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 Spend money and ingest Caffeine, {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [19-Jan-24 03:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 @souless8175 added to the waiting list. [19-Jan-24 03:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 Bumping you up to Project Member to fit with it. [19-Jan-24 03:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 Should be able to cover you and the rest of the waiting list this weekend. [19-Jan-24 03:10 PM] souless8175#0000 Coolios thank you! [19-Jan-24 04:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 @okamicheems1 Adding you to waiting list. [19-Jan-24 04:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 #agp-information if you want to view it. [19-Jan-24 04:03 PM] okamicheems1#0000 okie dokie [19-Jan-24 04:07 PM] jvaler#0000 the 250k to RedOut never got accepted, so my 750k is incorrect {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [20-Jan-24 01:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 @moke. Welcome, you should be able to see everything now. [20-Jan-24 01:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 #agp-information has the database for our grant program, I'll be adding you to the list momentarily. [20-Jan-24 04:28 PM] Deleted User#0000 @tanda [20-Jan-24 04:28 PM] Deleted User#0000 Same thing as above, I'll add you to the list. [20-Jan-24 04:29 PM] tanda#0000 cool, thank you! [22-Jan-24 01:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 @phoenix_eternal @schizophoric_38402 welcome. [22-Jan-24 01:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 This is where most of the talking happens. [22-Jan-24 01:58 PM] phoenix_eternal#0000 sweets [22-Jan-24 01:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 #agp-information has the grant information if you are interested in that, and then the various channels we have will contain some useful things if you want to look around. [22-Jan-24 02:06 PM] flor2081#0000 should we help with the rolling or is that an australis-only kinda thing? ๐Ÿ˜› [22-Jan-24 02:06 PM] flor2081#0000 also idk what my job is with this role hahah [22-Jan-24 02:08 PM] Deleted User#0000 You *should* have the permissions to role people and stuff. [22-Jan-24 02:08 PM] Deleted User#0000 If not I can change it so you can when I'm home. [22-Jan-24 02:09 PM] flor2081#0000 yeah but I wasn't sure if we were allowed [22-Jan-24 02:09 PM] Deleted User#0000 Only thing I ask is to grab company code and username to the correct places and ensure they are actually ANT based. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [22-Jan-24 02:09 PM] Deleted User#0000 But otherwise sure people can role. [22-Jan-24 02:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 Only thing that'll be me only is managing the AGP sheet. [22-Jan-24 06:23 PM] Deleted User#0000 Also, sorry going back to this, as a coordinator you can either participate within a project (donate to AGP, work with Cataclism on GAS, etc.) or you can just be here to offer advice to new players if they ask for it. [22-Jan-24 06:23 PM] Deleted User#0000 Otherwise if you just wanted to role people who show up in #server-airlock that works for me, lol. [22-Jan-24 07:35 PM] tanda#0000 @Deleted User Thanks, sir! [23-Jan-24 03:29 AM] flor2081#0000 I'm planning to help soon so I'll have a look after my exams (: [24-Jan-24 10:14 PM] avalock#0000 yelo [24-Jan-24 10:18 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐ŸŸจ [24-Jan-24 10:20 PM] tanda#0000 https://tenor.com/view/yellow-gold-amber-gif-26074042 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/yellow-gold-amber-gif-26074042 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/hD4gKLwRIrOO1m0z9pF4n59PANlEoM_kaAtq0vFEzNs/https/media.tenor.com/_25vBfmHLugAAAAe/yellow-gold.png [29-Jan-24 10:43 AM] Deleted User#0000 @mason_water Welcome. [29-Jan-24 10:43 AM] Deleted User#0000 Sorry, busy day at work. {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [29-Jan-24 10:43 AM] Deleted User#0000 Forgot about you last night. [31-Jan-24 12:02 PM] avalock#0000 ahh i meant to message here, and say hewo [31-Jan-24 12:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 Hi! [31-Jan-24 12:05 PM] avalock#0000 hows it going [31-Jan-24 12:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 Not too bad, you? [31-Jan-24 12:09 PM] avalock#0000 doing well, at work rn and sleepy, so normal [31-Jan-24 12:09 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm always sleepy. [31-Jan-24 12:09 PM] avalock#0000 eepy hours frfr [31-Jan-24 12:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 Real. [31-Jan-24 12:10 PM] avalock#0000 i have uhhhh raid tonight [31-Jan-24 12:10 PM] avalock#0000 i should get larger cargoholds and fuel efficiency on my ships [31-Jan-24 12:12 PM] Deleted User#0000 Fuel efficiency isn't really a thing to look for. [31-Jan-24 12:12 PM] Deleted User#0000 Upgrading to LHP is about all that's worth doing in that regard, until you begin building another ship. [31-Jan-24 12:19 PM] avalock#0000 ahhhhhhh [31-Jan-24 12:19 PM] shagie#0000 FTL speed is a function of ship volume. It gets _worse_ as the ship gets bigger. For fuel and speed (SCB < MCB = WCB < LCB < VCB) - lower is better. STL speed is related to acceleration and engine ... but avoid upgrading the engine on a starter ship since that's a $$$ piece and the standard isn't bad. [31-Jan-24 12:20 PM] avalock#0000 yeah i just want to move more ALO [31-Jan-24 12:20 PM] shagie#0000 You want a WCB upgrade for a starter ship. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [31-Jan-24 12:20 PM] avalock#0000 :woopsNote1: [31-Jan-24 12:21 PM] shagie#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1202257500213366804 [31-Jan-24 12:22 PM] shagie#0000 Key things with WCB upgrade for starter - it has the minimum replacement cost. The bridge and crew quarters stay the same... and that's another $$$ part of ugprade. FTL emitters are a minor change, but not too bad (FTL emitter upgrade for going to a LCB gets more $$$ ... and it needs a larger CQ which is again more $$$) [31-Jan-24 12:22 PM] avalock#0000 i unfortunately dont have the money to upgrade yet but maybe soon :hehe: [31-Jan-24 12:23 PM] shagie#0000 The reason that you want a WCB rather than MCB for ALO and AL is that they are heavier than they are massive. [31-Jan-24 12:23 PM] avalock#0000 yeee that makes sense [31-Jan-24 12:25 PM] shagie#0000 You can carry 1000 AL in a WCB (2.7t / 1m3) with m3 being the limit. You can only carry 740 in a LCB (even though its 'bigger' for the m3 dimension, that one gets hit with a limit on the t because its more than 2). [31-Jan-24 12:26 PM] shagie#0000 You'll see similar things with hauling C (2.25 t / 1m) and even rations (0.21 t/ 0.1 m3) where the WCB is the better choice for low tier massive stuff. [31-Jan-24 12:27 PM] shagie#0000 I once looked into the logistics of hauling TCO... yea. That one got silly. (bot spam for some how much can you fit for that) [31-Jan-24 12:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 @Deleted User [31-Jan-24 01:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 I feel like I've been called to H.R. ๐Ÿคฃ [31-Jan-24 01:54 PM] Deleted User#0000 What did I do/need to do? [31-Jan-24 01:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 Is it the ship? Or the money? Or am I completely lost? [31-Jan-24 01:56 PM] Deleted User#0000 Ship. ^^ [31-Jan-24 01:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 ***You are HR, pretty much.*** {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [31-Jan-24 01:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 Not according to H.R. [31-Jan-24 01:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 ;) [31-Jan-24 01:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm rereading and ? Am I being asked to loan the ship upgrades, in which case sure, otherwise I believe I am lost again ๐Ÿ˜… [31-Jan-24 02:01 PM] Deleted User#0000 My brain is reay hoping to be decommissioned soon ๐Ÿ˜… [31-Jan-24 02:05 PM] avalock#0000 oop [31-Jan-24 02:05 PM] avalock#0000 imagine having a brain [31-Jan-24 02:05 PM] avalock#0000 :pepeSmoke: [31-Jan-24 02:06 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm really trying not too :) [31-Jan-24 02:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 @avalock https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183249178156089374/1202342249204031558 ? [31-Jan-24 02:07 PM] avalock#0000 oh uh we were talking about ship upgrades, idk if i need them yet :hehe: [31-Jan-24 02:08 PM] Deleted User#0000 Would you like? [01-Feb-24 03:20 PM] Deleted User#0000 Never realised how profitable NCS was... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1202725247678283817/image.png?ex=68148e6c&is=68133cec&hm=300d7ef585b6e48f27b94e84c33a597e7b404e35ede84fa166897ac8620577cf& [01-Feb-24 03:20 PM] Deleted User#0000 Cost me about 25k to make that. [01-Feb-24 03:25 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 woah... that's a crazy margin... [01-Feb-24 03:26 PM] Deleted User#0000 The upfront cost of the base is quite high, but that profit looks good for an ROI. [01-Feb-24 03:28 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 yeah, I'm about to build an electronics base and the consumable and building mats are *steep*. my first afabs ๐Ÿ™ƒ $$$ [01-Feb-24 07:04 PM] shagie#0000 One of the "I wonder if this is something that is lurking through the collective thoughts of Prun"... From earlier today in Proxion chat... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1202781459010686996/Screenshot_2024-02-01_at_7.02.27_PM.png?ex=6814c2c6&is=68137146&hm=2a3836d16c847ca9d20bc9cc988fe29908b7517bd36d3a043741a72db82dcea4& [03-Feb-24 07:20 AM] Deleted User#0000 Quick thing here: Since we've had a massive influx of people and individuals from a wide-variety of planets our role system is somewhat outdated to cope with them all. As such, if there's any you are interested in being added, please let me know and I'll make them a role! At the same time, if you end up making a new base, just let me or a Coordinator know and we'll add the role to you. [03-Feb-24 07:49 AM] Deleted User#0000 If you'd need or Like I can try cleaning up the roles and names? I have a bit of free time :) [03-Feb-24 08:00 AM] Deleted User#0000 Sure. [03-Feb-24 08:03 AM] Deleted User#0000 I'll sort them out, but I'll keep to your colour schemes [03-Feb-24 08:16 AM] Deleted User#0000 Is there a channel I can clog with pings or can I create a temp one [03-Feb-24 08:18 AM] Deleted User#0000 #bot-spam should be fine. [03-Feb-24 09:16 AM] shagie#0000 Other / Observer ... and make the color something verdant, like green (so its distinct from Antares Red). [03-Feb-24 09:16 AM] Deleted User#0000 Associate role fills that purpose, I was moreso meaning the planetary roles. [03-Feb-24 09:18 AM] shagie#0000 Fair 'nuff. I was thinking that associates were people within Greater Antares and a base ... and observers were people who were just here for the chat but didn't have any bases in the area. ... And Boucher isn't Greater Antares... right? [03-Feb-24 09:19 AM] Deleted User#0000 Associate is for people who aren't in ANT and are looking to move there, or otherwise, just those interested in viewing the Discord. [03-Feb-24 09:20 AM] Deleted User#0000 Although an observer role could be useful in the future if associate is used in any other means. [03-Feb-24 09:20 AM] Deleted User#0000 As for Boucher, no, it isn't. [03-Feb-24 09:20 AM] Deleted User#0000 Never will be with the name "wet water".... [03-Feb-24 09:21 AM] shagie#0000 Is there a distinction in roles between "has a base in Antares but not affiliated with ADI?" [03-Feb-24 09:21 AM] shagie#0000 You missed out on naming it Antares V and confusing _everyone_. [03-Feb-24 09:21 AM] Deleted User#0000 Haha that'd be amazing. [03-Feb-24 09:22 AM] Deleted User#0000 Shame though, Antares V is locked until the next maint patch. [03-Feb-24 09:22 AM] Deleted User#0000 Or the one after next. [03-Feb-24 09:22 AM] Deleted User#0000 At the minute no, since we've never had anyone in ANT not want to be apart of at least AGP. [03-Feb-24 09:23 AM] Deleted User#0000 OOG guys are the exception to that though, and they are coordinators/members/associates as per what they want to do. [03-Feb-24 09:23 AM] shagie#0000 Give it a day or so. [03-Feb-24 09:23 AM] Deleted User#0000 Some help with funding, some are just curious, etc. [03-Feb-24 09:23 AM] Deleted User#0000 Well we have been going for a good.. almost two months now. [03-Feb-24 09:24 AM] shagie#0000 11h 22m. [03-Feb-24 09:24 AM] Deleted User#0000 That's oddly specific. [03-Feb-24 09:24 AM] shagie#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183248948543098992/1202699619008647269 [03-Feb-24 09:25 AM] Deleted User#0000 Ah, I see. [03-Feb-24 09:25 AM] Deleted User#0000 Yeah in that case you'd just be an associate still. [03-Feb-24 09:25 AM] Deleted User#0000 Granted this Discord was never really the best thing ever made, but I feel like we are a bit too deep with it to drastically change it now. [03-Feb-24 09:26 AM] Deleted User#0000 I may have been a bit ambitious with my goals. [03-Feb-24 09:27 AM] shagie#0000 Wanna have fun? My brother was the lead in doing a Slack -> Discord migration for an Adult Lego group ... and now has a semi-real job of being the tech guy (including discord) coordination for multiple lego groups and a set of national level lego events. [03-Feb-24 09:28 AM] shagie#0000 "Discord" _is_ the best name for this software. [03-Feb-24 09:28 AM] Deleted User#0000 It could definitely be better. [03-Feb-24 09:32 AM] shagie#0000 It could. It was designed for a particular style of game play and has been trying to get into the real world business use cases and community hosting... but with awkward funding models (and layoffs) Slack has been doing anti-nonpaying user things for a while but they've got a solid business model, but if you're not paying some of its choices grate on the user and its _really_ intended for corporate structures. Perrsonally, I like Zulip because its slack like and self hostable ... but there is strong inertia to discord because you can do easy cross discord links. [03-Feb-24 09:32 AM] shagie#0000 ... and that's a wall of text. [03-Feb-24 09:52 AM] Deleted User#0000 https://tenor.com/view/wall-donald-trump-drumpf-build-a-wall-build-gif-5702065 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/wall-donald-trump-drumpf-build-a-wall-build-gif-5702065 We need to build a wall - Wall https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/QFGxpt-1Ljp5CD_krAEp4oTHMPZXLLrHU5bNpPli2kA/https/media.tenor.com/tCCFm4qZx50AAAAe/wall-donald-trump.png [03-Feb-24 09:52 AM] Deleted User#0000 Indeed... and make the filthy Insitors pay for it! [03-Feb-24 09:53 AM] Deleted User#0000 All around ANT, box off Deimos and Nike [03-Feb-24 09:53 AM] Deleted User#0000 (P.s. I cannot edit the names/titles) [03-Feb-24 09:55 AM] Deleted User#0000 Or am I dumb? [03-Feb-24 11:12 AM] shagie#0000 Indeed... and make the filthy Insitors [03-Feb-24 04:19 PM] Deleted User#0000 So quick question, what happened to ADI? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1203464728517541928/image.png?ex=68149c1e&is=68134a9e&hm=cf686a7da6e4c4bb07b5189289a68baa168ba030019750ff256775d267170940& [03-Feb-24 04:34 PM] shagie#0000 UFO discord? Restructring. [03-Feb-24 04:35 PM] Deleted User#0000 Aha ๐Ÿคฃ [03-Feb-24 04:35 PM] shagie#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1202292741229518848 [03-Feb-24 04:36 PM] shagie#0000 Its a forum post now rather than a channel. [03-Feb-24 04:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1203469044636983376/image.png?ex=6814a023&is=68134ea3&hm=1377067f2187e1bcc784868c30595d0529a8d43f45d84b76b53903e0ddf2ace3& [03-Feb-24 04:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm not special enough [03-Feb-24 04:36 PM] shagie#0000 Try rejoining recruitment there? [03-Feb-24 04:37 PM] shagie#0000 https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP and then `!join recruitment` in https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/855491107554852884 [03-Feb-24 04:38 PM] Deleted User#0000 Fixed it [03-Feb-24 04:38 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm special again! {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ [03-Feb-24 04:39 PM] shagie#0000 So... that's where the recruitment ads are now ... so that its one forum channel with multiple posts rather than a dozen channels (many of which are less active). [03-Feb-24 04:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 https://tenor.com/view/children-chaos-out-of-control-riot-kids-at-home-gif-8548113468766609438 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/children-chaos-out-of-control-riot-kids-at-home-gif-8548113468766609438 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/kveRM9GAhwDeRlYfa2FAHYvTsOqOGHx06rW8zjtV6_4/https/media.tenor.com/dqD_6PWQ4B4AAAAe/children-chaos.png [06-Feb-24 06:23 PM] Deleted User#0000 My fellow Antarians. [06-Feb-24 06:23 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1204583271556710430/774a315324ad84527d10d291103a0b7d.mp4?ex=6814b958&is=681367d8&hm=e255e743a0d5a0005bcd940632d30aff7a7f878b60192c1493fae284b28782c9& [06-Feb-24 06:23 PM] Deleted User#0000 It has been done. [06-Feb-24 06:23 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1204583291701821461/image.png?ex=6814b95c&is=681367dc&hm=02776f033fed920ccd911560e96ce3b6323fb3b1312f5e152003c254ca23bdc1& [06-Feb-24 06:24 PM] Deleted User#0000 https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-infinity-war-mind-stone-last-stone-infinity-gauntlet-gif-15735729 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-infinity-war-mind-stone-last-stone-infinity-gauntlet-gif-15735729 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/bVRWs6H12xPQSeVg2oBBTjWgh_vs_oGh4bPuTvvjplE/https/media.tenor.com/qUdBKJFbXzEAAAAe/thanos-avengers-infinity-war.png [06-Feb-24 06:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Noice [06-Feb-24 06:25 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 :antares_initiative: ๐ŸŽ‰ [06-Feb-24 06:37 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿซก [06-Feb-24 08:09 PM] tanda#0000 hell yah [07-Feb-24 08:01 PM] jvaler#0000 @Deleted User OOG? you've been subsumed... does that affect astraeus? it says rise is still collecting taxes there, but you being in OOG means you get a cut of their taxes? [07-Feb-24 08:02 PM] Deleted User#0000 I govern Astraeus for Rise, that's not changing. [07-Feb-24 08:03 PM] jvaler#0000 i thought they only add OOG governors to the ingame corp to try and share taxes or something [07-Feb-24 08:04 PM] Deleted User#0000 I don't believe it is exclusive to governors. [07-Feb-24 08:05 PM] jvaler#0000 was just something i heard. probably wrong lol [07-Feb-24 08:06 PM] Deleted User#0000 Either wayo, no, I'm not going back on what me and Rise are doing there. [07-Feb-24 08:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 The opportunity to join was presented so I thought I'd go for it. [07-Feb-24 08:08 PM] Deleted User#0000 And yeah as far as taxes go I'm pretty sure so long as I don't lose governor from now it'll just stick to rise's corp. [07-Feb-24 08:09 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah that's how that works on the one i puppet govern [09-Feb-24 04:24 PM] Deleted User#0000 There's going to be a large overhaul of ADI over tonight and the weekend. [09-Feb-24 04:24 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Oh? [09-Feb-24 04:24 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'll have a full list available soon but it'll be quite extensive and I think it'll increase the usefulness and utility of ADI quite a lot. {Reactions} โค๏ธ [09-Feb-24 04:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 Thinking revamp of the channels, maybe a new automated role system for bases, updated spreadsheets for AGP, creating a spreadsheet for internal marketing listing, creating one for our shipping project, and looking into adding some more information to #associate-information and #deleted-channel to make things clearer. [09-Feb-24 04:28 PM] Deleted User#0000 Maybe even revamping GAS into something more serious if I can get Cataclism on board, since it doesn't do much of anything atm. [09-Feb-24 04:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I can help with automated roles if needed or wanted [10-Feb-24 12:54 PM] Deleted User#0000 Little bit of a preview of what's to come. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1205949923456065676/image.png?ex=681514e3&is=6813c363&hm=3269e367fce8119377ffbf75e993699ec57738ad825c3fdcea981b6127874742& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ eyeshakerapid (4) ๐Ÿง ๐ŸŽฐ [12-Feb-24 05:34 AM] jvaler#0000 good morning antares {Reactions} antares_initiative (3) [12-Feb-24 10:10 PM] havanista#0000 good evening now [19-Feb-24 12:17 PM] avalock#0000 Hemlo [19-Feb-24 12:17 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™ve been way too busy lately [19-Feb-24 12:18 PM] avalock#0000 :woopsWeary1: [19-Feb-24 06:00 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 aight [19-Feb-24 06:00 PM] tanda#0000 understood [19-Feb-24 06:02 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 A PP3 costs a bit so I'll probably take a loan after some time to speed that up [19-Feb-24 06:07 PM] tanda#0000 if this price trend continues, I'll have to adjust my internal pricing down as well, lol [19-Feb-24 09:39 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 There are absolutely no AL buy orders anymore [19-Feb-24 09:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [19-Feb-24 10:02 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 lol, don't mind me just dumping half my ANT inventory to buy cheap AL ๐Ÿ˜… [19-Feb-24 10:02 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Man, carrying my AL to IC1 doesn't look that bad anymore [19-Feb-24 10:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeahโ€ฆ. [19-Feb-24 10:06 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 It takes like 4 days to go there and back and costs 7k for the whole trip [19-Feb-24 10:08 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Which would still get me 11k more than selling at AI1 [19-Feb-24 10:11 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 yeah if you have the time it's honestly worth flying it elsewhere. That's a long time for a ship to be away if you're shipping is struggling, but we could probably coordinate something as ADI to get people's AL flown somewhere more profitable [20-Feb-24 06:58 PM] jvaler#0000 adding MAT emojis cause there's like no emojis here :AL: :ALO: :carbon: :oxygen: :FLX: :LST: :SHPT: anyone have any ideas for what else to add? also should :BFAB: be separated into their own MATs like BBH, BDE, etc? [21-Feb-24 12:28 AM] scorpio089#0000 โ˜• {Reactions} COF [21-Feb-24 08:43 AM] jvaler#0000 :COF: {Reactions} COF (4) [21-Feb-24 09:50 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Could do the separate BFABS and MCG too would be handy [21-Feb-24 12:43 PM] shagie#0000 @Deleted User Try `INV ZV-896` in a new buffer. [21-Feb-24 01:09 PM] jvaler#0000 :MCG: :BBH: :BSE: :BDE: :BTA: {Reactions} eyeshakerapid (2) [21-Feb-24 01:10 PM] jvaler#0000 idk i thought inspect elementing a bfab into saying "BFAB" was cute lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1209940245206933524/bfab.png?ex=681518aa&is=6813c72a&hm=510157775c8dac1f3f66285034e840ffe4959aab003b2937bbc1ac726ff715b7& [21-Feb-24 01:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 Why? [21-Feb-24 02:05 PM] shagie#0000 Did you know that you can do "all inventories in a system?" [21-Feb-24 02:05 PM] shagie#0000 All the planets, warehouses, and docked ships in one system. {Reactions} eyeshakerapid [21-Feb-24 02:06 PM] shagie#0000 My own example... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1209954357680803880/Screenshot_2024-02-21_at_12.40.15_PM.png?ex=68147d0e&is=68132b8e&hm=6d05175713a5c44d798cfe1bbdca1ec0306894d92bdf7f7805f8e36222c80649& [21-Feb-24 02:08 PM] Deleted User#0000 Hm. [21-Feb-24 02:08 PM] Deleted User#0000 I can't think I'd find it very useful. [21-Feb-24 02:09 PM] Deleted User#0000 Cool to know though. [21-Feb-24 02:10 PM] archielvahr#0000 Pretty nice for SE-110, I think a lot of people will be moving in there soon {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [21-Feb-24 02:10 PM] archielvahr#0000 http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_O1ikw6UoTn.png {Embed} http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_O1ikw6UoTn.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/OdH3MT0wyOO14ohIxfQP9gdCPMA0dyTnq5hn-9sOBRc/http/kortham.net/temp/firefox_O1ikw6UoTn.png [21-Feb-24 02:11 PM] Deleted User#0000 I mean I have bases in the same system and stuff but I just don't find myself using inventories like that. [21-Feb-24 02:12 PM] Deleted User#0000 I just have a screen for each. [21-Feb-24 02:12 PM] Deleted User#0000 If I have to look at an individual inventory by using a tile like that, I've done something wrong. [21-Feb-24 02:26 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I just wish I had the option of sorting INV by different columns. If I could sort by location and see my base/warehouse storages beside each other I'd be happy [21-Feb-24 02:26 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 The only time I use the location filtering is for ships in CX systems [21-Feb-24 05:19 PM] havanista#0000 how do u upgrade a base storage? [21-Feb-24 05:23 PM] havanista#0000 mines only at 1500 ! [21-Feb-24 05:23 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 build STO [21-Feb-24 05:24 PM] havanista#0000 ho man i never figured that, lol i've been suffering with my storage lol [21-Feb-24 05:25 PM] havanista#0000 mainly in deimos ... [21-Feb-24 05:25 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 oof... I've got 3 STO on Deimos, can't imagine doing it without one ๐Ÿ˜… {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [21-Feb-24 05:26 PM] havanista#0000 lol i play since the begnning with my teh starting base storage + the wh u can rent O man ! [21-Feb-24 05:26 PM] jvaler#0000 0 :STO: in metallurgy? my god [21-Feb-24 05:26 PM] havanista#0000 yeah when i do iron, i cry lol [21-Feb-24 05:33 PM] havanista#0000 i was even using ship has a wh lol, when smelting iron [21-Feb-24 05:33 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ญ [21-Feb-24 05:34 PM] havanista#0000 yeah my pain : especially in small planet like ls, where i can rent a wh more than 500 ! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1210006730415800330/image.png?ex=6814add5&is=68135c55&hm=a8250fbdb6eaf3be72488d7c3e058ce1968378f2b479d7edf27c95470feb4a10& [21-Feb-24 05:40 PM] jvaler#0000 oh god no :STO: on nascent... [21-Feb-24 05:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 We have emojis? [21-Feb-24 05:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 Huh. [21-Feb-24 05:54 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 jvaler been busy [21-Feb-24 05:54 PM] Deleted User#0000 I love my coordinators. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‡ [21-Feb-24 05:54 PM] Deleted User#0000 Platonically. [21-Feb-24 05:55 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 :carbon: :oxygen: :oxygen: :LST: ๐Ÿ˜Ž [07-Mar-24 12:34 PM] higgsy#0000 I'm confused by all these channels. Do you have a guide on what to discuss in each channel? Do you have a guide on what each role means? [07-Mar-24 01:10 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah I am pretty confused by it too. Not sure on the distinction of the office/communal area. And bulletin boards tend to be empty. I'm not sure if "member" is higher than "associate". I think associates receive grants and members have taken a more involved step..? But that might be reversed [07-Mar-24 01:14 PM] flor2081#0000 this layout is mostly copied from the AA server, where members are actually involved in the various projects and have access to more channels and all [07-Mar-24 01:14 PM] flor2081#0000 and the bulletin channel's are also more active there [07-Mar-24 01:15 PM] flor2081#0000 and yeah associate is just someone who's in the discord server, i think {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Mar-24 01:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 Office is more formal than communal. [07-Mar-24 01:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 Associates are just people within the Discord. [07-Mar-24 01:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 Members are those who have actually been involved. [07-Mar-24 01:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 Bulletin boards were meant to be used for either important notices or for information. [07-Mar-24 01:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 I personally thought it made sense when I was making it, and for me it works fine, but it seems to be poor in practice. [07-Mar-24 02:06 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I think it makes sense when explained. Some of the channels are maybe unnecessary, but might get used more as the group grows. Maybe just a summary of what each role/chennel/category is for on the main #server-information [07-Mar-24 02:19 PM] jvaler#0000 personally i think having separate associate and member channel categories is pointless and makes the server look way more complicated than it actually is [07-Mar-24 02:22 PM] jvaler#0000 i assume it's there based on the associate member distinction in AA, but there the member only channels are also basically never used aside from the debt channel [07-Mar-24 02:28 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Fair, I can't think of many reasons I'd want to discuss something privately with only members. Definitely not just general chat [07-Mar-24 03:37 PM] flor2081#0000 well sometimes you may want to give a special deal to only people who you know "deserve" it if that makes sense [07-Mar-24 03:38 PM] flor2081#0000 or only give discounts to people who are actively in the projects here [07-Mar-24 03:38 PM] flor2081#0000 but yeah in practice it doesn't seem to work very well [07-Mar-24 03:39 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 yeah, those are some things that I *do* think deserve a separate space. but idk about the office and communal area and definitely don't think we need 2 bot-spams [07-Mar-24 03:47 PM] flor2081#0000 yeah in my opinion member-bot-spam can go, communal and office channels merge into one, member bulletin board can also go [07-Mar-24 03:47 PM] flor2081#0000 project information too, as each project already has an information channel [07-Mar-24 03:48 PM] flor2081#0000 i'm not sure about doing member and associate internal prices too, I'd just merge that into 1 aswell [07-Mar-24 04:22 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm quite happy with how it is, but if there's enough hate for it it can be changed. [07-Mar-24 04:24 PM] Deleted User#0000 I do think everything there has a use and should be there, and I definitely want to keep the separation between Associate and Member categories. [07-Mar-24 04:28 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't think the roles should go away, just the channels [07-Mar-24 04:49 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 yeah I definitely don't 'hate' it, I'm just trowin' ideas around. I also agree with the separation of member/associate [25-Mar-24 10:59 AM] Deleted User#0000 @jvaler taking your advice and making a move on Heph, prunplanner seems to like the idea but we'll see how it goes in practice. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1221850865753657344/image.png?ex=6814ebcb&is=68139a4b&hm=9cc21da4c2846a4842a6dc45d8ad4d49677b9de900988362e555f613f3012222& {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ [25-Mar-24 11:11 AM] jvaler#0000 that's about what my profits look like too. assuming i can sell all this REP lmfao [25-Mar-24 11:12 AM] Deleted User#0000 just looking into how to source the inputs, since I'm hoping/assuming you don't buy all from CX. [25-Mar-24 11:41 AM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ผ only thing i supply myself is 30 STL/d for PT [25-Mar-24 11:46 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I can supply S if you're making SEA, I have a single EXT pulling SCR and it's way more than I need [25-Mar-24 11:54 AM] jvaler#0000 i'm not unfortunately. maybe i should though, iirc prunplanner says it's very profitable [25-Mar-24 11:55 AM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1221865058393522356/image.png?ex=6814f903&is=6813a783&hm=22334ab7ed178476d91d82294f270e7152818f86a682fc7e064ee1260a8edc58& [25-Mar-24 11:55 AM] jvaler#0000 i'm able to buy so much INS off the CX because of piboy [25-Mar-24 12:02 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 same, nice. I would say I can supply SI too, but I don't have a SME base of my own anymore (until I build Vulcan, but it'll be a while) [25-Mar-24 12:06 PM] jvaler#0000 SI? for...? [25-Mar-24 12:08 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 SEA [25-Mar-24 12:08 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 S, SI, and PG [25-Mar-24 12:09 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 you're talking about BMPs on Hephaestus? [25-Mar-24 12:11 PM] jvaler#0000 OH yeah i forgot SI was in SEA's recipe lmfao [25-Mar-24 12:13 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 yeah, I've got a stockpile at ANT for electronics on Phobos, but I don't produce it anymore. So idk how much I can SEll yet [26-Mar-24 09:38 AM] Deleted User#0000 I will be starting the Antares Initiative Shipping Insurance Program (AISIP) sometime over the next week or two in preparation for our shipping project. [26-Mar-24 09:46 AM] talryk#0000 Ooooh, howโ€™s that gonna work? :aerysWut: [26-Mar-24 10:14 AM] Deleted User#0000 Passive thing where through select regular LM or ADI people who ship will have their transports insured, so that should one party or the other fail to deliver, ADI will cover the costs. [26-Mar-24 10:15 AM] Deleted User#0000 It'll work both ways so neither ends up getting screwed over, but the main benefit is for the people who regularly use the LM to ship contracts so that if a new player picks up their contract and quit, they don't end up losing out on their capital. [26-Mar-24 10:15 AM] Deleted User#0000 This won't be too useful I suspect nor will there be much use often, but in the event something does occur, it'll be there. [26-Mar-24 10:16 AM] Deleted User#0000 And it'll pave the way for our eventual shipping program of itself, in which I'd like to get regular shipments done specifically from the big planets like ANT to Deimos, Harmonia, Heph, Phobos, Nike, etc. and then expand it to the further out planets as we can. [26-Mar-24 10:16 AM] talryk#0000 Getting big shipping lanes set. I like it! [26-Mar-24 10:16 AM] Deleted User#0000 That's the goal. [26-Mar-24 10:17 AM] Deleted User#0000 I'm looking into how I can feasibly create such a thing and accurately display the progress of the shipping, or at least how to make it into a viable system that people feel is intuitive and useful to use. [26-Mar-24 10:17 AM] Deleted User#0000 At the moment I've got plans to fund several people for either ship upgrades so they can work partially within the program, or for entirely new ships for it specifically. [26-Mar-24 10:17 AM] sidepipe#0000 If you're planning on charging premiums / holding reserves for it, let me know. I actually do insurance in real life (unfortunately) so I can probably point you in the right direction. Though I'd imagine it'd be tough to price accurately since there's not a great way to estimate the risks involved [26-Mar-24 10:18 AM] Deleted User#0000 I don't personally plan on forcing any charge. [26-Mar-24 10:18 AM] Deleted User#0000 I'll be doing it out of pocket. [26-Mar-24 10:18 AM] Deleted User#0000 The smart thing would probably be to charge a fee - but at the same time, since there's no real accurate way to divide funding and also a lack of transparency, and since that kinda goes against the whole idea of the Discord - I'd rather avoid that can of worms and just take the hits myself. [26-Mar-24 10:19 AM] sidepipe#0000 holding reserves, then ๐Ÿ˜„ [26-Mar-24 10:19 AM] Deleted User#0000 That seems to be the term for it, real life insurance isn't my area. [26-Mar-24 10:20 AM] Deleted User#0000 Either way, I think it'll find some usage. [26-Mar-24 10:20 AM] sidepipe#0000 Video game insurance is more fun anyway ๐Ÿ™‚ [26-Mar-24 10:20 AM] Deleted User#0000 Less risks involved and a WHOLE lot less paperwork, I'd imagine. [26-Mar-24 10:21 AM] Deleted User#0000 But you can be the judge on that last claim. [26-Mar-24 10:21 AM] Deleted User#0000 Also, I've been meaning to ask, did Afka give up on PrUn? [26-Mar-24 10:21 AM] Deleted User#0000 I know you two came in together, but they've seemed kinda dead. [26-Mar-24 10:22 AM] sidepipe#0000 You have no idea ๐Ÿฅฒ [26-Mar-24 10:23 AM] sidepipe#0000 And yeah, I think so. We kinda unwound our joint production to make shipping less annoying and I havenโ€™t heard much since them [26-Mar-24 10:23 AM] Deleted User#0000 Aw, that's a shame. [26-Mar-24 10:24 AM] sidepipe#0000 We did have a short, beautiful run in the top 10s for ration production though ๐Ÿ˜„ [26-Mar-24 10:24 AM] Deleted User#0000 Impressive. [26-Mar-24 10:24 AM] Deleted User#0000 What are you in the industry of now? [26-Mar-24 10:25 AM] sidepipe#0000 Still RATs, DW, and trying to catch up to you on DDT production ๐Ÿ˜„ [26-Mar-24 10:26 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m hoping to offer some of that for sale here soon, once I have a big enough pile at ANT. I think cheap DDT can be helpful to farmers early on as a capital boost, and itโ€™s not really super liquid on the CX [26-Mar-24 10:26 AM] Deleted User#0000 Oh, wow, I'd be number 1 if I had been running DDT all week instead of having a drop. [26-Mar-24 10:26 AM] Deleted User#0000 Hadn't even realised. [26-Mar-24 10:27 AM] Deleted User#0000 Yeah it's just one grif based maxxed out doing DDT, wouldn't take much to overtake it. [26-Mar-24 10:28 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m doing the same on Elon, but thereโ€™s probably not much point in making more than that right now [26-Mar-24 10:29 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Also, once I get both my ships storage upgraded I will be giving away BBH & BSE to new comers who are building/expanding their bases to help them get started ๐Ÿ™‚ [26-Mar-24 10:30 AM] Deleted User#0000 I am overflowing in bfabs. [26-Mar-24 10:30 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Lmao [26-Mar-24 10:30 AM] Deleted User#0000 And afabs, now, too. [26-Mar-24 10:40 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m doing Cl on Griffonstone, so let me know if you ever want any at OOG prices. Iโ€™m making a good bit more than I use right now [26-Mar-24 10:40 AM] Deleted User#0000 All my inputs for grif are free, but appreciate the offer. [26-Mar-24 10:41 AM] sidepipe#0000 Canโ€™t beat free ๐Ÿ˜„ [26-Mar-24 10:48 AM] coolfeather2#0000 I could build a web app for it Similar to how eve shipping corporations run [26-Mar-24 10:49 AM] coolfeather2#0000 Shipping calculator+ status display Would need to look into what fnar endpoints are available for shipping [26-Mar-24 10:49 AM] Deleted User#0000 That is something that interests me quite a bit, although at the same time I'm not sure I'd be willing to fund a website to host said webapp and along with your effort to putting into reality. [26-Mar-24 10:49 AM] Deleted User#0000 But I do quite appreciate the offer. [26-Mar-24 10:50 AM] sidepipe#0000 Could always just have โ€œput your shipment into a Google sheetโ€ as a pre-requisite for coverage ๐Ÿ˜„ [26-Mar-24 10:50 AM] talryk#0000 Still sounds like a fun project. :talthink: [26-Mar-24 10:51 AM] coolfeather2#0000 I'm already building my own stock ticker so could just add it to that ๐Ÿ˜› But yes could also probably just do a google sheet + put a calculator in the sheet or google form [26-Mar-24 10:52 AM] Deleted User#0000 Silly me, I seem to forget I already have a physical server along with website hosting paid for. [26-Mar-24 10:52 AM] Deleted User#0000 It is a possibility after all. [26-Mar-24 10:53 AM] talryk#0000 :allthethings: [26-Mar-24 10:53 AM] coolfeather2#0000 Submit a request for something to be shipped, it gets matched with a shipper who is available?, send contract ? [26-Mar-24 10:53 AM] coolfeather2#0000 You could put a tiny bit of collateral into the contract? [26-Mar-24 10:54 AM] talryk#0000 You know, I actually had this idea of having basically a shipping company dispatch sort of setup. Not sure how much people would take to that, though [26-Mar-24 10:54 AM] coolfeather2#0000 Idk if you can set custom contracts up in-game or if they have to follow a template? [26-Mar-24 10:54 AM] bojangles_1#0000 I'd be willing to participate in that. Just need to upgrade my ships first [26-Mar-24 10:55 AM] coolfeather2#0000 That's part of the project I assume ๐Ÿ˜‰ [26-Mar-24 10:55 AM] Deleted User#0000 This is the ingame forced template for shipping contracts. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1222212252556595341/image.png?ex=6814eadc&is=6813995c&hm=2c8e647a526dfd74bb11a0529e6ae542517dcd5c866745afeafa7b01aad8bff0& [26-Mar-24 10:56 AM] talryk#0000 Iโ€™d really like to see the contract interface overhauled to be more like an โ€œadd a clauseโ€ system, with a list of configurable clause syntaxes [26-Mar-24 10:56 AM] coolfeather2#0000 Oh damn it seems pretty basic, can't even do multiple items?? [26-Mar-24 10:56 AM] talryk#0000 Newp. [26-Mar-24 10:57 AM] coolfeather2#0000 Wish they let you just put in any number of steps ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [26-Mar-24 10:58 AM] .urpalhal#0000 lol uh is there a way to stop an AD in the LM? I did buy not sell on accident [26-Mar-24 10:58 AM] coolfeather2#0000 Yeah [26-Mar-24 10:58 AM] coolfeather2#0000 There a cancel button somewhere [26-Mar-24 10:59 AM] talryk#0000 Thatโ€™s what Iโ€™m saying, yeah. Add step, specify package A contents. Add step, pick up package A. Assign responsible party, dependent on step 1. and so on. [26-Mar-24 10:59 AM] Deleted User#0000 LMOS [26-Mar-24 10:59 AM] .urpalhal#0000 thx I just found that as you typed it [26-Mar-24 10:59 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ๐Ÿ‘€ making a shopping list now ๐Ÿ˜… [26-Mar-24 11:00 AM] Deleted User#0000 695 BSE and 241 BBH at ANT CX right now, ask away. {Reactions} EyesShake [26-Mar-24 11:02 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 https://tenor.com/view/shocked-face-shock-wow-big-eyes-surprised-gif-14888100 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/shocked-face-shock-wow-big-eyes-surprised-gif-14888100 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/9-kZQghEbH868RnMYGBxwfvkgdr_E04uDmlbaM_j5-M/https/media.tenor.com/p0ej1n-k5GwAAAAe/shocked-face-shock.png [26-Mar-24 11:09 AM] coolfeather2#0000 There is a flights endpoint to see a users current ship flight status and theres a ships endpoint for general ship data [26-Mar-24 11:11 AM] talryk#0000 Weโ€™d have to figure how PrUn calculates flight times and trajectories, orbital periodsโ€ฆ the scopeโ€™s already ballooning [26-Mar-24 11:12 AM] Deleted User#0000 Or just have them be manually updated. [26-Mar-24 11:13 AM] coolfeather2#0000 As you have preset source and destinations, you can just manually set those based on ship Configs? [26-Mar-24 11:14 AM] bojangles_1#0000 Would be cool if the API included flight times in the future. [26-Mar-24 11:14 AM] coolfeather2#0000 The flights API have a departure and arrival time [26-Mar-24 11:14 AM] bojangles_1#0000 Jinx [26-Mar-24 11:14 AM] Deleted User#0000 Could work with just the arrival time. [26-Mar-24 11:15 AM] coolfeather2#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1222217393229533315/Screenshot_20240327-0015062.png?ex=6814efa6&is=68139e26&hm=fbd445cd380ead29df5dcb179567c376f0e99c1b5773d8b321b0c388516d2142& [26-Mar-24 11:15 AM] coolfeather2#0000 Plus it has the flight legs [26-Mar-24 11:15 AM] coolfeather2#0000 Basically what's currently in the apex ui for flights [26-Mar-24 11:16 AM] talryk#0000 :talthink: [26-Mar-24 11:18 AM] coolfeather2#0000 I could probably do a initial mock-up that displays this nicely tomorrow if people want [26-Mar-24 11:19 AM] coolfeather2#0000 For now I should eep [26-Mar-24 11:20 AM] talryk#0000 I can probably whip together a web app for this, depending on what FIO provides as endpoints. Will do some more research [26-Mar-24 11:23 AM] coolfeather2#0000 If you get to it before me and you're doing it in react and open source, let me know if you want assistance, I would be happy to contribute [26-Mar-24 11:27 AM] talryk#0000 I was thinking TypeScript React, yeah. I donโ€™t have a great option for hosting in the interim beyond localhost testing, though [26-Mar-24 11:32 AM] coolfeather2#0000 Fly io is what I was going to use to host my app [26-Mar-24 11:33 AM] coolfeather2#0000 >>> Resources included for free on all plans: Up to 3 shared-cpu-1x 256mb VMs 3GB persistent volume storage (total) 160GB outbound data transfer [26-Mar-24 11:34 AM] coolfeather2#0000 Otherwise there's various other hosted options I already have a webserver too [26-Mar-24 02:57 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I think exact distances from place to place, the fuel cost, and the arrival time can all be predicted from FIO if you have enough time. When getting info on a planet it gives you info on the orbit too and `/systemstars/jumproute/` gives you the distance in parsecs between sectors {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [26-Mar-24 02:57 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I also enjoy the idea of a space uber for your goods [26-Mar-24 02:58 PM] talryk#0000 Ye! Thatโ€™s a brilliant analogy. Or, like, DoorDash [26-Mar-24 02:59 PM] talryk#0000 Really what PrUn could seriously benefit from is a more flexible contract system that allows for additional parties [26-Mar-24 07:22 PM] coolfeather2#0000 Ooh wonderful thanks for the tip [26-Mar-24 07:37 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 It would be neat to have but I don't envy whoever needs to learn about orbital mechanics to simulate the motion of planets in every system on the path from the grocery store to your base [26-Mar-24 07:38 PM] spekktra_#0000 Sometimes, i feel like Alice in the wonderland, when I'm reading your conversation ๐Ÿ˜… [26-Mar-24 07:41 PM] coolfeather2#0000 I don't think we need to be that accurate Plus the fuel sliders are hard to get accurate results every time Don't know how that will factor in But distance between would be good to estimate a rough cost for travel [26-Mar-24 07:43 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Well at least the FF cost should be pretty much already determined if you know the parsec distance, unless there isn't a direct "X parsecs traveled means Y fuel used" [26-Mar-24 07:44 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 And the default STL option when you plan a flight is usually 100-150 SF no matter the path [26-Mar-24 08:14 PM] talryk#0000 Well the โ€œX parsecs meaning Y fuelโ€ also has to take the reactor slider into account, and that says nothing about differing FTL engines. But the orbital mechanics should be theoretically pretty easy, once the orbital period is established. [26-Mar-24 08:16 PM] talryk#0000 Assuming that the azimuth and headings remain relatively constant between systems. Those would have to be determined ahead of time [26-Mar-24 08:17 PM] talryk#0000 Er, bearings. Not headings. [26-Mar-24 08:59 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Hey, good luck ``` "PlanetId": "9e328375bb2f8bdaf0b5e0d270120339", "PlanetNaturalId": "ZV-759c", "PlanetName": "Deimos", "Namer": null, "NamingDataEpochMs": 0, "Nameable": false, "SystemId": "f02f1292a7520f7bc96453010102f8c1", "Gravity": 1.032425045967102, "MagneticField": 0.53313148021698, "Mass": 6.505665690403607e+24, "MassEarth": 1.089361310005188, "OrbitSemiMajorAxis": 114487336000, "OrbitEccentricity": 0.024072924628853798, "OrbitInclination": -0.019558263942599297, "OrbitRightAscension": 0, "OrbitPeriapsis": 0, "OrbitIndex": 2, "Pressure": 1.1871320009231567, "Radiation": 1.0557590551836955e-23, "Radius": 6548536, "Sunlight": 692.1011962890625, "Surface": true, "Temperature": 20.56932830810547, "Fertility": -0.3399999737739563, "HasLocalMarket": true, "HasChamberOfCommerce": true, "HasWarehouse": true, "HasAdministrationCenter": true, "HasShipyard": true, "FactionCode": "AI", "FactionName": "Antares Initiative", ``` [26-Mar-24 09:01 PM] talryk#0000 Oh snap, all the info is there. The math exists, and probably doesnโ€™t even need to be terribly phosisticated to get within a usable range for the purposes weโ€™re talking [26-Mar-24 09:09 PM] talryk#0000 Based on these numbers, Deimos has an orbital period of about nine hours. Iโ€™d be curious to know if thatโ€™s accurate [26-Mar-24 09:14 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Is there info anywhere on here as to where the planet starts ? Like, would you be able to get the position of the planet at a given date with this ? [26-Mar-24 09:15 PM] talryk#0000 Probably! [26-Mar-24 09:16 PM] tanda#0000 pity everyone with an orbital mechanics degree is otherwise occupied! [26-Mar-24 09:17 PM] talryk#0000 Well, Iโ€™m currently starting a dart league match, but my KSP fanaticism plus a little ChatGPT should be able to swing that info out afterwards! [26-Mar-24 09:46 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 maybe check in with MemoryAlpha too, they've probably done more research into flight mechanics in this game than anyone in the community, and they're super helpful. Taught me how to write my first python program, lol [27-Mar-24 09:23 AM] talryk#0000 Molp was kind enough to direct me to a JS library, of which they use a Java port, to calculate position of celestial bodies. That reduces a ton of complexity in reverse-engineering this entire issue: https://github.com/benelsen/orb {Embed} https://github.com/benelsen/orb GitHub - benelsen/orb: orb is a library for simple orbital mechanics orb is a library for simple orbital mechanics. Contribute to benelsen/orb development by creating an account on GitHub. [27-Mar-24 09:30 AM] Deleted User#0000 Oh, that's great. [27-Mar-24 11:26 AM] talryk#0000 I thiiiiinkโ€ฆ the hardest part of gathering reference data would be to establish vectors between stars. Those would wind up being constant, but gathering all the info might be a lot of legwork if itโ€™s not recorded anywhere [27-Mar-24 01:15 PM] coolfeather2#0000 very crude example start that just outputs the current API data: https://prunt.birdtronics.net/ If you want to test it, you can put my username in `coolfeather2`. Anonymous/public data can only be seen if the user is sharing Flight Data with all users in their FIO Permissions. Repo: https://github.com/Coolfeather2/prunt [27-Mar-24 01:16 PM] talryk#0000 Ooooh, I was just getting set to spin up an empty git for some of my own work, too [27-Mar-24 02:09 PM] talryk#0000 Since my available toolset is pretty limited while Iโ€™m at work, Iโ€™ve been just playing with experimental calculations based on Deimosโ€™ orbital parameters, and Iโ€™ve noticed something peculiar. Based on the numbers and Miloโ€™s claim that planetary movements are 20x faster in-game, Deimos should orbit in about 27 minutes. But Iโ€™ve been staring at the MS screen, and it hasnโ€™t moved a bit [27-Mar-24 02:12 PM] coolfeather2#0000 I stared at my flights in space for like 8 hours once, I swear nothing on the map moved [27-Mar-24 02:12 PM] coolfeather2#0000 I concluded that it wasnt live [27-Mar-24 02:12 PM] talryk#0000 Iโ€™ve even refreshed the browser page a number of times [27-Mar-24 02:12 PM] coolfeather2#0000 or its just *really* slow [27-Mar-24 02:13 PM] talryk#0000 Molp has said that itโ€™s all 20x faster than standard Kepleran calculations [27-Mar-24 02:14 PM] coolfeather2#0000 might need to ask around again ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [27-Mar-24 02:15 PM] talryk#0000 Okay, I definitely see ship icons moving, and pixels shifting in the orbital plane. [27-Mar-24 02:16 PM] talryk#0000 My math has gotta be off. Itโ€™s definitely moving. :< [27-Mar-24 02:18 PM] coolfeather2#0000 (if you didn't know you can tilt) [27-Mar-24 02:19 PM] talryk#0000 Yeah, I tilted and zoomed in as far as I could. Definitely moving, but my math is either off or the 20x factor isnโ€™t accurate [27-Mar-24 03:31 PM] talryk#0000 So now the math is telling me 9.41 years for Deimos to make an orbitโ€ฆ I think Iโ€™ve fried a wire in my brain somewhere, trying to work this out [27-Mar-24 03:32 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 It's anywhere between 9 years and 20 minutes [27-Mar-24 03:33 PM] Deleted User#0000 I've safely concluded it is in fact slower than about five minutes. [27-Mar-24 03:33 PM] talryk#0000 Data for the data god. :allthethings: [27-Mar-24 03:39 PM] talryk#0000 Side note, but why the hecc do all of these numerical data have **so many** levels of precision? 17 decimal places seems a bit excess when youโ€™re trying to say that 1 LSE is 0.3t. [27-Mar-24 03:48 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Some of it is floating point precision issues I believe [30-Mar-24 11:36 AM] coolfeather2#0000 Anyway back onto the shipping project, perhaps we should start with a dedicated channel for shipping? (Unless I'm blind and there is one already) [30-Mar-24 11:36 AM] Deleted User#0000 We had one but it got placed within the generalized channel of #trading due to confusion. [30-Mar-24 11:37 AM] Deleted User#0000 I think the Discord is overdue a bit of a makeover before we end up committing to anything, as well. [30-Mar-24 11:37 AM] Deleted User#0000 For one, GAS needs to go, since that's not going to be a thing as far as I'm aware - unless someone wants to pick up the reigns. [30-Mar-24 11:37 AM] Deleted User#0000 And then there needs to be some more bulletin boards written out and embeded as well to properly describe everything. [30-Mar-24 11:38 AM] Deleted User#0000 No use in doing that until we have the layout down though. [30-Mar-24 11:38 AM] Deleted User#0000 I'm open to any suggestions regarding the layout, although the difference between Associate and Member is definitely staying since I think that's valid. [30-Mar-24 11:38 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 I still don't know the difference. The member channels are hardly ever used [30-Mar-24 11:39 AM] jvaler#0000 only cataclism knew what cataclism wanted lol. idk what there is *to* pick up [30-Mar-24 11:39 AM] Deleted User#0000 I don't know either. [30-Mar-24 11:40 AM] Deleted User#0000 He was an interesting one. [30-Mar-24 11:40 AM] Deleted User#0000 Associates are people who are in the Discord, they are either not within Antares, do not have a license, or otherwise do not engage with ADI in a meaningful manner - basically just visitors. [30-Mar-24 11:40 AM] Deleted User#0000 Members are those that predominantly have received funding through AGP or otherwise directly engage with Antares or ADI as a whole. [30-Mar-24 11:41 AM] Deleted User#0000 Coordinators are just people who I know and exist, basically. [30-Mar-24 11:41 AM] Deleted User#0000 Never really came up with much for coordinators. [30-Mar-24 11:41 AM] Deleted User#0000 Jvaler's duitiful contributions to giving people roles is appreciated though. [30-Mar-24 11:42 AM] jvaler#0000 i agree with there being a difference, but surely you've noticed how the member channels go basically unused in favor of the associate channels due to the fact that messages reach more people right? [30-Mar-24 11:42 AM] jvaler#0000 something should be done about that [30-Mar-24 11:43 AM] jvaler#0000 cause otherwise the channels are just clutter if they aren't used [30-Mar-24 11:43 AM] Deleted User#0000 I think the issue is I never enforced member channels being used by people. [30-Mar-24 11:43 AM] Deleted User#0000 I don't really want to *enforce* anything, other than the general basics of decency and order. [30-Mar-24 11:44 AM] Deleted User#0000 Although I admit if we deleted the whole member category, nothing would change. [30-Mar-24 11:44 AM] jvaler#0000 maybe that has to do with group size and activity. if there was more going on in-house the in-house channels might have more activity lol [30-Mar-24 11:45 AM] jvaler#0000 ohh that's kinda the deal with AA too. the project channels have activity but the "member" channels don't [30-Mar-24 11:46 AM] jvaler#0000 maybe members-only channels are only needed if there's projects to be talked about going on? [30-Mar-24 11:46 AM] Deleted User#0000 I think I'll probably end up removing the member category, or at least shortening it to maybe two/three channels in the meantime. [30-Mar-24 11:46 AM] coolfeather2#0000 Yep [30-Mar-24 11:46 AM] Deleted User#0000 Maybe just leave #member-general #deleted-channel and #deleted-channel. {Reactions} โœ… [30-Mar-24 11:47 AM] jvaler#0000 and maybe #deleted-channel if we ever want to set up a FIO group for inventory checking [30-Mar-24 11:47 AM] coolfeather2#0000 Bulletin and project is empty, do you plan to use it? [30-Mar-24 11:47 AM] Deleted User#0000 Yes. [30-Mar-24 11:49 AM] Deleted User#0000 I think this layout should be a bit better. [30-Mar-24 11:49 AM] Deleted User#0000 It all fits in the screen normally without a scrollbar now. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™Œ [30-Mar-24 11:49 AM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1223675553912197303/image.png?ex=6814f7aa&is=6813a62a&hm=73ce5b1b461b644430c7050566b63edf2b2dda7e031b757a67f6e41ac6847e43& [30-Mar-24 11:53 AM] jvaler#0000 question: what's the difference between the office and communal channels? they seem to be used for interchangeable purposes [30-Mar-24 11:56 AM] Deleted User#0000 I'm glad you asked. [30-Mar-24 11:56 AM] Deleted User#0000 Just wrote up a draft message in #associate-information for that exact question until I find the motivation to move it to a refined and polished embed. [30-Mar-24 11:56 AM] Deleted User#0000 Now I admit there's overlap between office and planning, but since we spoke so much in both indiscriminantly I was hesitant to shorten it down into one. [30-Mar-24 11:56 AM] jvaler#0000 oh perfect lol [30-Mar-24 11:57 AM] jvaler#0000 i think they have their place. base planning and theorizing can kinda be separate from the rest of the intracacies of the game [30-Mar-24 11:58 AM] Deleted User#0000 I'll have a think about how to better visualize that into writing. [30-Mar-24 11:58 AM] Deleted User#0000 I must admit getting ideas from head to keyboard isn't my strong point. [30-Mar-24 11:58 AM] Deleted User#0000 But yes there is definitely a use in seperating the two. [30-Mar-24 11:59 AM] Deleted User#0000 Now I do have one question. [30-Mar-24 12:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 In the interim before we sort the logo situation, do we still like this one we are using now or would we rather go back to the regular Antares faction logo? [30-Mar-24 12:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 I was in a rush to part myself from the game's logo for reasons but this one didn't grow on me like I thought it would. [30-Mar-24 12:01 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I think the logo is just inoffensive. just using the default antares logo is a bit unoriginal [30-Mar-24 12:01 PM] Deleted User#0000 I agree with the default one being unoriginal. [30-Mar-24 12:01 PM] bojangles_1#0000 It doesn't bother me either. Gets the point across. Mars and stuff [30-Mar-24 12:02 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Could use The Expanse logo lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1223678854011420752/iu.png?ex=6814fabd&is=6813a93d&hm=691550df588c40c02b164edde6ff2f5b504a623be5b025cfc51b8e65d0276f2b& [30-Mar-24 12:03 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Has the shattered moon like as if it's from the asteroid in the lore [30-Mar-24 12:04 PM] coolfeather2#0000 Doesn't say "development" to me [30-Mar-24 12:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 Since this is all about development, we could do some sort of stylized sunrise on mars [30-Mar-24 12:05 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Current one doesn't either, I thought it would work as interim logo [30-Mar-24 12:06 PM] jvaler#0000 it's grown on me but i'm down for whatever. i just don't think using the antares faction logo works cause this group isn't the antares initiative, just an advocacy group for it [30-Mar-24 12:08 PM] Deleted User#0000 The person who I was looking into making a logo for us that has a similiar project going on for prun ended up using AI for their logo. [30-Mar-24 12:08 PM] coolfeather2#0000 I thought office was like an "administrative" building for developing the group Planning was for smaller projects and base discussion Communal area was just general [30-Mar-24 12:08 PM] Deleted User#0000 Woe. [30-Mar-24 12:09 PM] Deleted User#0000 That's.. basically correct, yes. [30-Mar-24 12:09 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Final product ? [30-Mar-24 12:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 Yes. [30-Mar-24 12:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 Times like this I wish I had a single creative gene in me. [30-Mar-24 12:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 We'll sort something out eventually, not an urgent priority atm. [30-Mar-24 12:16 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 A shame [30-Mar-24 12:18 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 One thing i would like to put forward is clearing up #internal-offers . i feel like that should only be for posting your prices and nothing else, potentially if you're giving away free materials or something but deleting the advert once you've finished giving away or you run out etc. i just feel like atm there is alot of clutter messages clogging it up. main thing being, post your prices/giveaways, keep your business deals/ general trade talk for #trading or #member-trading [30-Mar-24 12:18 PM] Deleted User#0000 I agree with this. {Reactions} ๐Ÿค (2) [30-Mar-24 12:19 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 because even if your prices change or your stock changes, you just edit the message so there is no real reason it should be crammed up with stuff really. [30-Mar-24 12:22 PM] coolfeather2#0000 ๐Ÿซฃ It might have become like that due to people not understanding how it operates [30-Mar-24 12:22 PM] Deleted User#0000 Lack of enforcement again. [30-Mar-24 12:22 PM] Deleted User#0000 It definitely needs clearing out. [30-Mar-24 12:26 PM] jvaler#0000 it could probably do with like a 1min slowmode to remind people {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [30-Mar-24 12:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'll go through and manually clear out some of the messages soon. [30-Mar-24 12:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 Along with updating our internal market sheet which is in a state of complete neglect. {Reactions} โค๏ธ [30-Mar-24 12:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 Poor sheet. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฟ (3) [30-Mar-24 01:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You could find someone you trust to help you keep that updated bc this all seems like a lot for one person to reasonably keep on top of [30-Mar-24 01:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that idea. [30-Mar-24 01:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Thatโ€™s fine. Like I said someone you trust [30-Mar-24 01:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And itโ€™s hard to trust randos off the internet like me ๐Ÿ˜‰ (unfortunate product of the anonymity of the internet) [30-Mar-24 01:11 PM] jvaler#0000 i'd be happy to help out more if you ever want it, but like hal said it's your call. you don't really know me after all [30-Mar-24 01:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Not to speak for everyone, but I think many of us are willing to help out. But again ultimately up to you how you want that to be implemented [30-Mar-24 02:38 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Yeah i get that, even if you made it so coordinators are in some sense moderators to an extent, able to delete messages or something they'd be able to keep on top of the clutter or something. But yeah i understand your view towards that. [30-Mar-24 03:55 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 also just thought, adding descriptions here to keep peoples chat in the right channels {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1223737337628987492/image.png?ex=68148875&is=681336f5&hm=2a8e0ccf708b9efc895bb442042a7490a2d954fc21fdb84a35d6050086ae3768& {Reactions} ๐Ÿง  [30-Mar-24 05:17 PM] Deleted User#0000 Potentially, although I'm less certain of its use since people most likely won't bother reading them. [30-Mar-24 05:17 PM] Deleted User#0000 I may find the time to write something up for them quickly though. [30-Mar-24 06:46 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I did that in the KAWA server to keep some of our buy/sell ad channels cleaner and I do think it's helped [30-Mar-24 08:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 I guess it can't hurt regardless to implement it. [30-Mar-24 08:36 PM] coolfeather2#0000 I do use the descriptions on desktop, they don't show up on mobile without going through like 3 screens though [30-Mar-24 08:37 PM] Deleted User#0000 Discord.. what a joy. [30-Mar-24 08:37 PM] Deleted User#0000 Either way, I think the majority will be using desktop. [30-Mar-24 09:00 PM] bojangles_1#0000 Ok, so I have an etremely rough sketch for a flag idea. Three circles representing the Mars system, with a sledge hammer laid in the center. A smattering a smaller circles in the lower right representing the myriad of planets now occupied by the Initiative. The gray parts are where I'm probably going to shade the flag. I'll post the sketch in a moment. [30-Mar-24 09:00 PM] bojangles_1#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1223814258157158470/Flag_idea_2.jpg?ex=6814d018&is=68137e98&hm=3f1780245554ec5151f1980295c9bd45d66ac610f9810823b51a8ef08e6419e9& [30-Mar-24 09:01 PM] bojangles_1#0000 Thoughts? [30-Mar-24 09:07 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 What about putting the hammer + moons lower down and then the myriad planets fill up the upper portion, being cut off by the border to imply there are many [30-Mar-24 09:08 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 The 2 moons at the bottom as the start of Antares and then the many new planets to follow above, you know ? [30-Mar-24 09:09 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ooh, thats cool. yeah I like that concept and those suggestions [30-Mar-24 09:09 PM] bojangles_1#0000 Yeah, Lemme adjust real fast to get an idea of what its going to look like. I"ll post the result in a moment [30-Mar-24 09:11 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 If you are planning on shading and a less minimalist look, then an aluminum sheen somewhere feels appropriate. Don't know how you are going to style it [30-Mar-24 09:12 PM] bojangles_1#0000 Was actually debating on doing it in a charcoal brush style. Been messing around with that drawing style. I really like it and this will just give me some more practice [30-Mar-24 09:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 I kinda like the idea that instead of the sledgehammer we have the main part of the AI logo perhaps. [30-Mar-24 09:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 Specifically the shades of blue leading into the star. [30-Mar-24 09:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 Although I like it so far. [30-Mar-24 09:14 PM] bojangles_1#0000 Honestly, I'll probably give the original, the one Dvorak suggested and your idea a go. Draw all three and see which one turns out the best [30-Mar-24 09:18 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I was thinking the new planets would be about the size in the first picture and the hammer would be just reaching the middle [30-Mar-24 09:19 PM] bojangles_1#0000 They will be that size. Just threw down a really rough sketch so i could get an idea of how your idea was formatted [30-Mar-24 09:20 PM] Deleted User#0000 Something like that, yeah. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [30-Mar-24 09:20 PM] bojangles_1#0000 When you say reaching up the middle, You mean up to the top of the large circle? [30-Mar-24 09:20 PM] bojangles_1#0000 @histidinedwarf [30-Mar-24 09:20 PM] bojangles_1#0000 I was lol [30-Mar-24 09:20 PM] Deleted User#0000 Apologies. [30-Mar-24 09:21 PM] bojangles_1#0000 Well, I'll start work on the original idea first, Then ill try my hand at dvoriks and then your australis. Will take a few days for each [30-Mar-24 09:21 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 The head of the hammer reaching up to about the red line and not further {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1223819476198490233/2024-03-30_19-21.png?ex=6814d4f4&is=68138374&hm=9a690316efabede0abf5508f731730dc0e929bff65d56fcfe189f02690af4509& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [30-Mar-24 09:21 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 With the rest of the space filled by the new planets [30-Mar-24 09:22 PM] bojangles_1#0000 Ok, yeah, I like that. Reminds me of a planitarium almost [30-Mar-24 09:22 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 yeah [30-Mar-24 09:23 PM] bojangles_1#0000 Do we like the Always Forward motto? [30-Mar-24 09:23 PM] Deleted User#0000 I personally do. [30-Mar-24 09:23 PM] bojangles_1#0000 Aight, I'll try and work that in, though I SUCK at drawing letters. Probably gonna cheat on those [31-Mar-24 09:20 PM] Deleted User#0000 @Project Member Giving away 10m AIC. [31-Mar-24 09:20 PM] okamicheems1#0000 :AnkhaPing: [31-Mar-24 09:21 PM] bojangles_1#0000 No need to twist my arm. [31-Mar-24 09:21 PM] havanista#0000 ?? [31-Mar-24 09:21 PM] kaosaur#0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p8vqoIVESc {Embed} StephenPlays https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p8vqoIVESc FREE MONEY This game sets the tone very, very quickly. Have a suggestion for a Memorable Moment? Go to the episode your moment is from and leave a comment WITH A TIMECODE of when the moment occurs. We'll use the best ones! โžก๏ธ This is from Pikuniku - First20 โ€ข https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7UAZq87LhQ&list=PLMrpfY5oU1DYjYwJYBQD5oaqGbQTI1u3c&index=94 ๐Ÿ‘ค W... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/FgVL29ZG5sErG_yyZ1GQ7Xs124C4eNOGlhz1pzM0ymM/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/4p8vqoIVESc/maxresdefault.jpg [31-Mar-24 09:23 PM] talryk#0000 Nani?? [31-Mar-24 09:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 Just some free money. [31-Mar-24 09:25 PM] pitic_heavy_industries#0000 oh? [31-Mar-24 09:25 PM] talryk#0000 I like free money! [31-Mar-24 09:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 Give me an idea of what you'd plan to do with it and we'll provide it out depending on the amount needed. [31-Mar-24 09:25 PM] kaosaur#0000 https://tenor.com/oLxd.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/i-like-money-frito-idiocracy-gif-3480249 idiocracy https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/uaptC4NF0P57EaoTJhhWLhDt2Eklymcgi9uksDWVLu0/https/media.tenor.com/tPLKdGTxM9gAAAAe/i-like-money-frito.png [31-Mar-24 09:25 PM] talryk#0000 https://tenor.com/view/hello-money-giveittome-mr-krabs-spongebob-gif-4184913 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/hello-money-giveittome-mr-krabs-spongebob-gif-4184913 Hello I like money https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/57hBg8mVVlTN0tt6ty_XYGJrmkiHk6nzwRUwKXGf7aU/https/media.tenor.com/UGpcL6Dst0AAAAAe/hello-money.png [31-Mar-24 09:25 PM] coolfeather2#0000 ๐Ÿ‘€ [31-Mar-24 09:27 PM] talryk#0000 Oh, well Iโ€™d start up a base on Nike, probably, to start producing bfabs, and then converting my Deimos setup to all SMEs. Might bring in some SI(O) to smelt some CF, but Iโ€™m not sure what Iโ€™d do with that other than sell it [31-Mar-24 09:28 PM] kaosaur#0000 i don't actually need money for anything once these projects I'm in start paying out consistently [31-Mar-24 09:30 PM] pitic_heavy_industries#0000 I'll establish a base on Harmonia and begin setting up farms to produce rations [31-Mar-24 09:31 PM] talryk#0000 Oh, while Iโ€™m looking at it, I think Iโ€™m lacking the member role [31-Mar-24 09:31 PM] coolfeather2#0000 I am not sure if I am still eligible with being an applicant for Kawa. My plans: 1. Expand aluminum processing 2. join AA HYF farm on Life 3. Water/Carbon on Harmonia 4. upgrade starter ships [31-Mar-24 09:35 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I will send my PRUN planner draft when I get home lol. Mainly to start a H and PG farm for ADI. [31-Mar-24 09:35 PM] coolfeather2#0000 I can put a spreadsheet together if needed outlining costs [31-Mar-24 09:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'd have more to offer but there's some stuff I have that will take a bit to liquidate. [31-Mar-24 09:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 If people want just send me a DM with the amount they want from the 10m and I'll distribute evenly. [31-Mar-24 09:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 Preferably DMs so I'll not forget about it here. [31-Mar-24 09:49 PM] kaosaur#0000 https://tenor.com/YYFM.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/roger-rabbit-two-bits-crash-shave-gif-12110560 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/_K5uT5xyxLwBoM8BQxuNW2prWnduWMrbtMbaxSRGHNI/https/media.tenor.com/6R61pSHk6FwAAAAe/roger-rabbit-two.png [31-Mar-24 10:05 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 we do need one other person in KAWA to be part of an LHP welding duo on Deimos... I think sylvanlord will make all the LHP, but needs a whole base of 20 SME to feed them AL [31-Mar-24 10:06 PM] coolfeather2#0000 do we ahve a ALO miner? [31-Mar-24 10:06 PM] coolfeather2#0000 @bojangles_1 ? [31-Mar-24 10:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I could get you ALo [31-Mar-24 10:06 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ihelp and Althasandrian [31-Mar-24 10:06 PM] coolfeather2#0000 cause I can go full al sme if we have alo source [31-Mar-24 10:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well there ya go [31-Mar-24 10:07 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 https://tenor.com/view/kermit-curse-gif-6401971144449120087 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/kermit-curse-gif-6401971144449120087 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/z_udNGZemRoZjyVfbzOKPFhmE-ZSrUrdb0Lgmvqh0ro/https/media.tenor.com/WNhe1jcw11cAAAAe/kermit-curse.png [31-Mar-24 10:07 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 much appreciated but I doubt you'd want to sell that much at our prices ๐Ÿ˜… [31-Mar-24 10:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [31-Mar-24 10:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ve got my fabs so [31-Mar-24 10:09 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 nice. yeah our AL price is ~35... [31-Mar-24 10:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But hey no worries if youโ€™ve already got it covered [31-Mar-24 10:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol thatโ€™s fine [31-Mar-24 10:10 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 we should have some for now, you'd make a lot more selling on CX. But if you're still interested we could work something fair out {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [01-Apr-24 12:20 AM] bojangles_1#0000 I can help, but I'll need to expand my production first. What I have now is going to a project for AA [01-Apr-24 12:29 AM] coolfeather2#0000 sure [01-Apr-24 12:58 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I could look at building an ALO base, will look when Iโ€™m back [01-Apr-24 04:22 AM] markusium#0000 free money? [01-Apr-24 05:25 AM] Deleted User#0000 Removed the coordinator role for the time being. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [01-Apr-24 05:26 AM] Deleted User#0000 I'll handle anything like that for a while. [01-Apr-24 05:26 AM] Deleted User#0000 Gave them all member instead. [01-Apr-24 10:54 AM] Deleted User#0000 @boglebogle @daniel376. @pinecone_magg @reddeadev Welcome! #associate-information has some more information about the channels and what they mean, don't worry too much about the member area or anything like that. [01-Apr-24 10:54 AM] Deleted User#0000 #agp-information and #agp-general are where we'll deal with your grants, so assuming you are all in line for the 750k, we'll get you sorted on that soon. [01-Apr-24 10:54 AM] Deleted User#0000 And that should be the end of the pings for the time being. [01-Apr-24 03:38 PM] jvaler#0000 continuing https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183247926995189790/1224454552179441855 i feel like something along the lines of "liquid" or "liquidity" is a better use of L but any variations i can think of are too long [01-Apr-24 03:40 PM] jvaler#0000 oh! [01-Apr-24 03:40 PM] jvaler#0000 @talryk "Co-op Unlimited Liquid Transit" is exactly 30 [01-Apr-24 03:41 PM] jvaler#0000 though i dunno if you do liquid extraction lmfao [01-Apr-24 03:41 PM] bojangles_1#0000 We are transiting liquid capital... Not liquids... I guess lol [01-Apr-24 03:41 PM] talryk#0000 Not so much, but I like where youโ€™re going with it! [01-Apr-24 03:43 PM] bojangles_1#0000 Coop United League of Traders [01-Apr-24 03:43 PM] bojangles_1#0000 A little clunky.... But it meets the length mark [01-Apr-24 03:43 PM] jvaler#0000 needs the hyphen [01-Apr-24 03:43 PM] jvaler#0000 which... puts it up to exactly 30 [01-Apr-24 03:43 PM] jvaler#0000 huh [01-Apr-24 03:44 PM] bojangles_1#0000 Unless spaces are counted.... [01-Apr-24 03:44 PM] jvaler#0000 i counted them {Reactions} โค๏ธ [01-Apr-24 03:44 PM] Deleted User#0000 The character limit is without a doubt anti-Antares. [01-Apr-24 03:44 PM] jvaler#0000 CLEARLY [01-Apr-24 03:45 PM] bojangles_1#0000 We must wage a holy war against character limits. I'll put the fatwa out [01-Apr-24 03:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 Much the same with how we couldn't have ANT V. [01-Apr-24 03:45 PM] jvaler#0000 ^^^^^ [01-Apr-24 03:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 The system is praying on our downfall. [01-Apr-24 03:45 PM] jvaler#0000 and prometheus! [01-Apr-24 03:45 PM] jvaler#0000 it's a conspiracy [01-Apr-24 03:45 PM] talryk#0000 Wait, we couldnโ€™t have Antares V? [01-Apr-24 03:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 Molp had to manually fix it. [01-Apr-24 03:45 PM] jvaler#0000 yes there were bugs that suspiciously seem to target antares..... [01-Apr-24 03:46 PM] bojangles_1#0000 Cooperative ANTares Or CANT [01-Apr-24 03:46 PM] Deleted User#0000 That's getting into dangerous territory. [01-Apr-24 03:46 PM] jvaler#0000 but antares *can* and we will ๐Ÿ˜ผ [01-Apr-24 03:46 PM] bojangles_1#0000 We can.... Everyone else CANT [01-Apr-24 03:46 PM] Deleted User#0000 :catfriendanim: [01-Apr-24 03:47 PM] talryk#0000 โ€œCohort of Unified Labor Teamsโ€ is exactly 30 characters. {Reactions} โค๏ธ ๐Ÿ”ฅ [01-Apr-24 03:47 PM] bojangles_1#0000 Ohhhhhhh that's a good one [01-Apr-24 03:47 PM] Deleted User#0000 We don't want to give the wrong impression with "labor teams". [01-Apr-24 03:48 PM] Deleted User#0000 Antares is a democratic and free faction. [01-Apr-24 03:48 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 https://tenor.com/view/nalog-gif-25906765 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/nalog-gif-25906765 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1SwHSdJiqSj35FE6QSpb0vZBYOXZBIjQb0vxEdyXXZQ/https/media.tenor.com/F-D5EhlQXdMAAAAe/nalog.png [01-Apr-24 03:48 PM] talryk#0000 But itโ€™s not a cult! [01-Apr-24 03:48 PM] Deleted User#0000 All people within Antares are equal. [01-Apr-24 03:48 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Not LABOR!! [01-Apr-24 03:48 PM] Deleted User#0000 Some are just more equal than others. [01-Apr-24 03:49 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Sounds like Oligarchy lmao [01-Apr-24 03:49 PM] talryk#0000 No, thatโ€™s Managed Democracy [01-Apr-24 03:49 PM] bojangles_1#0000 It's a Demoligarchy {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [01-Apr-24 03:49 PM] jvaler#0000 that's why antarians are compensated for the full value of their work โš’๏ธ [01-Apr-24 03:50 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Antares is not a sweatshop [01-Apr-24 03:50 PM] jvaler#0000 compensated in the form of... exorbitantly expensive COF lmfao {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [01-Apr-24 03:50 PM] Deleted User#0000 It is bad for them. [01-Apr-24 03:50 PM] Deleted User#0000 The price negates addiction. {Reactions} โค๏ธ (3) [01-Apr-24 03:51 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 bunch of filthy Starbuckians [01-Apr-24 03:51 PM] bojangles_1#0000 We know what's best for the people. COF is a decadence that will only serve to make the workers soft. [01-Apr-24 03:51 PM] tanda#0000 now that sounds like communism right there [01-Apr-24 03:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 Don't say that word here. [01-Apr-24 03:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 We don't like that word. [01-Apr-24 03:52 PM] bojangles_1#0000 Communism js also a decadence that will make the workers soft. [01-Apr-24 03:52 PM] talryk#0000 โ€œCollectively Ultra-Legal Taxesโ€ is also 30 characters. [01-Apr-24 03:52 PM] bojangles_1#0000 I like the ultra legal part. Regular legal just isn't good enough lol [01-Apr-24 03:52 PM] talryk#0000 Itโ€™s *totally* aboveboard [01-Apr-24 03:55 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 it will be cool to eventually see ADI produce most things and have like a full on internal market, ik we got out internal trading etc but will be good when more members join and start producing a wider variety of materials. [01-Apr-24 03:56 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 ADI wall street [01-Apr-24 03:57 PM] talryk#0000 All jokes aside, if things really do get rolling we oughta just make ADI the corp. [01-Apr-24 03:57 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 is it not really difficult to get corps up and running? [01-Apr-24 03:58 PM] talryk#0000 I have no idea. :talshrug: [01-Apr-24 03:59 PM] jvaler#0000 speaking of, now that hermes is operational i can start selling KOM~~ & a bit of COF!~~ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1224463049411399680/image.png?ex=68148954&is=681337d4&hm=52c6b3b6c5cc9005bf79f7ced5044733830eb84fe5b8f6e4a27b8fd57f19d014& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Ž [01-Apr-24 04:00 PM] jvaler#0000 & @talryk it's basically free to start a corp, there's no real issue with constantly corp hopping and disbanding and creating them. it's only a concern when you spend the resources to build a corp HQ for the +10% and then lose it from losing the corp [01-Apr-24 04:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 Inb4 Antares Ministry of Production (AMP). [01-Apr-24 04:01 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 this guy got it all figured out, i likey [01-Apr-24 04:02 PM] talryk#0000 Yaaassss [01-Apr-24 04:02 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i just want to produce all the niche stuff that is hard to come buy, like PSL for example, so cheap to make but no-one makes it, and when they do they charge $$$$$ for them [01-Apr-24 04:03 PM] jvaler#0000 nevermind i don't have the CAF to reliably produce surplus COF yet ๐Ÿ˜ญ [01-Apr-24 04:03 PM] jvaler#0000 gonna list my KOM tho [01-Apr-24 04:04 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 @Deleted User with all this talk of corps, would you ever actually consider it? [01-Apr-24 04:05 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 like, ik you in OOG rn [01-Apr-24 04:05 PM] talryk#0000 Youโ€™ve got a horde of CULTists already [01-Apr-24 04:05 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 ๐Ÿ—ฟ [01-Apr-24 04:06 PM] tanda#0000 I'm honestly tempted to try to go for a CAF base on Life next. I've been noticing COF is heck of expensive every time I go to buy it [01-Apr-24 04:06 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 here comes CptCOF [01-Apr-24 04:09 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I think the goal of ADI is to help people get a start or expand in Antares, not to be an exclusive corp. But I think that helping people start a *new* Antares based corp is 100% in line with the goal here. If you guys want to go for it let me know. I can help get you set up with some of the discord tools and other stuff that many corps use to organize themselves [01-Apr-24 04:09 PM] Deleted User#0000 The Initiative recognises and thanks you all for your continued support, and it will be rewarded.. one day. [01-Apr-24 04:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 And yes, I agree with the above statement, I'll be open to a corporation, and I'll even help, but I would not be the one to run it - nor do I think people really want that to begin with. [01-Apr-24 04:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 And I disagree with turning ADI into said corp, that isn't what it is meant for. [01-Apr-24 04:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 Now using ADI as a means to produce said corp.. I've no issue with that. [01-Apr-24 04:11 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 homie just out here helping noobs, respect [01-Apr-24 04:11 PM] Deleted User#0000 Now if there is some genuine interest within starting a corp we could start working on it and just have it slowly develop, but there'd need to be a few people interested. [01-Apr-24 04:12 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Australis is in OOG, works with AA projects, and helps here. I'm in KAWA, part of an AA project, and help here. Obviously being part of ADI isn't an exclusive thing, just a loose collective of people helping each other out [01-Apr-24 04:12 PM] talryk#0000 Honestly, Iโ€™d prefer for ADI to stick to that MO, too. I was mostly just meming. Though I do enjoy the idea of a pro-Antares corp [01-Apr-24 04:12 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 KAWA started with like 4 people, so... you don't need many people to start something big [01-Apr-24 04:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'd enjoy the idea of a pro-Antares corp as well, and there are definitely things I've wanted to initiate for it. [01-Apr-24 04:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 Although I think there's just the question of what we are actually capable of, and at the minute, I don't think we'd have enough of a reason to warrant doing a corp. [01-Apr-24 04:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 Our internal market is evident of that. [01-Apr-24 04:14 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 yeah i agree, we need more homies [01-Apr-24 04:14 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 and a stable collective of people [01-Apr-24 04:14 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 not saying we're not stable but yenno, more setup [01-Apr-24 04:14 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 meh, there's plenty of reasons to want to start a corp beyond the internal market and some other stuff. Since there's not really any mechanical benefit in game people start "corps" for all sorts of out of game social reasons too [01-Apr-24 04:14 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'll be honest it'd help my burnout with this game as well. [01-Apr-24 04:15 PM] talryk#0000 Iโ€™d say we have a decent starting stable, we should just try to coordinate our development a little more jointly {Reactions} ๐Ÿค [01-Apr-24 04:15 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I'd join the corp if we had at least one solid project we all agree to participate in, like a long supply chain or rejuvinating a certain market or colonizing a certain planet [01-Apr-24 04:15 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I've been talking to a new corp that just started, 4 players less than a week old on Katoa. Saganaki helped them set up a discord and some FIO tools for coordination. Group collaboration is powerful no matter now new you are [01-Apr-24 04:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™d join the CULT [01-Apr-24 04:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean corp [01-Apr-24 04:16 PM] Deleted User#0000 Shall we, then? There's nothing stopping us other than ourselves. [01-Apr-24 04:16 PM] tanda#0000 I would be interested! [01-Apr-24 04:16 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i'm down [01-Apr-24 04:16 PM] talryk#0000 :allthethings: [01-Apr-24 04:16 PM] Deleted User#0000 ADI can remain how it is, since I think that'd be for the best, but we could work in more cooperation within this new Discord/corp for those who want. [01-Apr-24 04:16 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 @jvaler food planet is up for developing southern antares [01-Apr-24 04:17 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 what an exciting moment to be a part of ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ’š :antares_initiative: [01-Apr-24 04:17 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I think that locking, or putting a ceiling basic consumables would be a good idea. 80/u water and no higher or something [01-Apr-24 04:17 PM] Deleted User#0000 Open the floodgates, I suppose.. https://discord.gg/WVcxpREB [01-Apr-24 04:17 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 kinda going back to this, are you getting at having a more centralized market and a having a set price? rather than each of us having different prices? [01-Apr-24 04:18 PM] Deleted User#0000 We can discuss it in the new server if we'd like. [01-Apr-24 04:19 PM] jvaler#0000 wdym? [01-Apr-24 04:19 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 aren't you establishing some systems down there? Hermes and Demeter? [01-Apr-24 04:20 PM] jvaler#0000 demeter was established waaay before me [01-Apr-24 04:20 PM] jvaler#0000 i just saw an opportunity to make a companion food industries planet [01-Apr-24 04:20 PM] jvaler#0000 triple green gas giant planet is actually pretty cheap to build on [01-Apr-24 04:20 PM] jvaler#0000 and it's named! {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (2) [01-Apr-24 04:21 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 when you've established a "trade-partner" or some other kind of outsider role hit me up. I'm happy to lend what advice I can from my own experience in a pretty unique corp, but I don't want to step on toes cause this is super exciting and I want it to be all yours [01-Apr-24 04:22 PM] jvaler#0000 oh yeah that's ooold lmao {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1224468953724616846/image.png?ex=68148ed4&is=68133d54&hm=cff8674a7a19df64891b891064777c34b03387bcc3c7381abe618724ab6cd2b7& [01-Apr-24 04:22 PM] jvaler#0000 never looked at this before [01-Apr-24 04:24 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 nice [01-Apr-24 04:39 PM] jvaler#0000 oh, here's some prun archaeology for you apparently hermes was the universe's first tapped HE3 planet cause it only needs AEF (PP2 tier) to build here. that's why it was named 1050 days ago and has a single abandoned resource extraction base left on the planet (CO TWIG) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1224473227712266250/image.png?ex=681492cf&is=6813414f&hm=90e41e53da28c88248ffecfdc9479b58521082453b5c795088780bcdc788f38d& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1224473228035100824/image.png?ex=681492cf&is=6813414f&hm=ffa24e77e00005f35d726adc2df10046034d5e879e36ffd2da2f37d712b4f5ca& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1224473228345610360/image.png?ex=681492cf&is=6813414f&hm=ca7afd51f6de3b8042873c88e5494f20d5652dcb47ce6d143fbee62327304775& [01-Apr-24 04:47 PM] jvaler#0000 wait the apex chat discord is missing messages ๐Ÿง it's missing the one where they say they left behind an SST {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1224475130428788880/image.png?ex=68149494&is=68134314&hm=9948ff318fc9834998053f505e30c396eaf44874af5c10dc928229d9ce326ff3& [01-Apr-24 04:47 PM] jvaler#0000 said SST was actually very handy for me [01-Apr-24 05:02 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 oh that's fascinating [03-Apr-24 06:28 PM] Deleted User#0000 Wooooo, 200 days. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1225225487702298624/image.png?ex=6814ac67&is=68135ae7&hm=ada00b072649af1afe427268498b5241f544df2e2afac3323fa1f6cf2be26cce& {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (2) [03-Apr-24 06:29 PM] talryk#0000 :PartyParrot::PartyParrot::PartyParrot: [03-Apr-24 06:30 PM] Deleted User#0000 Here's to... 1088 more! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1225226033469329499/image.png?ex=6814ace9&is=68135b69&hm=1c44c7a07675f25b1799a2e4aaee360b8312128a37146a58f24bd2d7c98c4db6& {Reactions} โค๏ธ (3) ๐Ÿ‘€ [03-Apr-24 07:37 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 jealous, lol. [03-Apr-24 07:37 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'm better at making fake money than real money apparently ๐Ÿ˜† [03-Apr-24 07:37 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I just hit 10 months. I think I want to throw a hobbit birthday when I hit a year and give everyone presents, lol [03-Apr-24 07:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 I want to give something big away for my one year. [03-Apr-24 07:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 Maybe I'll try to save up for 100 million and let it all go at once. [03-Apr-24 07:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 Should be pretty doable at my current rate, actually. [03-Apr-24 07:54 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ๐Ÿ˜† yeah that sounds like too many contracts to me, lol [03-Apr-24 07:55 PM] jvaler#0000 have them all send to you and just spend 15mins clicking buttons [03-Apr-24 07:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'll bribe my cousin with a chocolate bar to do it for me. [03-Apr-24 07:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 Outsourcing. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† (2) [03-Apr-24 07:58 PM] jvaler#0000 that's the prun spirit {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [06-Apr-24 09:04 PM] Deleted User#0000 Expansion time.. I've put it off for so long. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1226351770771656814/image.png?ex=6814d0d6&is=68137f56&hm=e15300003a0fe22c3afff3af3a159a948eea5c091dbf9d3f43ff7124b2d1ea0c& [07-Apr-24 02:05 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Based, Iโ€™m sitting with 9 permits rn so Iโ€™ve shouldnโ€™t need to worry about that for a while [07-Apr-24 06:35 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ... you're only at 9? Wow, your empire is *sooo* much more profitable than mine ๐Ÿ˜† I think I just hit 20? And I feel like I make half as much money as you, lol [07-Apr-24 07:09 AM] jvaler#0000 exactly ๐Ÿ˜ญ [07-Apr-24 07:16 AM] bojangles_1#0000 The finished product from the first idea. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1226505934373654569/Flag_idea_ver_8.jpg?ex=6814b7aa&is=6813662a&hm=41cdf0419bc261f0913e48aa34503072788f72ff033871fb7e3ab334a3c04e2e& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Ž (4) [07-Apr-24 01:50 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'll be making more soon. [07-Apr-24 01:50 PM] Deleted User#0000 POLs on Elon and RIGs on Boucher. [07-Apr-24 01:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 Elon will get me more afabs while Boucher will pretty much solve my RAT and DW needs. [07-Apr-24 04:49 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Nice [13-Apr-24 12:30 AM] jvaler#0000 @.urpalhal i think there may have been a typo lmfao {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1228578099864801343/image.png?ex=68150144&is=6813afc4&hm=2bb6a3d2f5629eb980f8095e83fd22c3f8d6ce344459a9db277d15356e2a331c& [13-Apr-24 12:44 AM] sidepipe#0000 Thereโ€™s only one way to find out ๐Ÿ˜› {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1228581574753124446/IMG_8193.png?ex=68150481&is=6813b301&hm=e26a69c337d0283dd744cd9a23a452299773d725f3cff906dec933dced609f8c& [13-Apr-24 01:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeahhhh [13-Apr-24 01:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‚ [13-Apr-24 01:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 One too many zeros [13-Apr-24 01:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Too bad I like went right to bed after posting them [13-Apr-24 01:21 PM] jvaler#0000 i almost accepted them assuming they were 120/u but had to do a double take lmao [13-Apr-24 01:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i thought they were 120/u ๐Ÿ˜‚ bc thats what I was trying to buy at [13-Apr-24 01:36 PM] jvaler#0000 1200/u premium limestone {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [13-Apr-24 01:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 extra pure limestone [13-Apr-24 03:19 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 some premium grade italian artisan LST [14-Apr-24 04:29 AM] Deleted User#0000 @m3tzg3r Welcome to ADI! [14-Apr-24 04:29 AM] Deleted User#0000 I've given you roles so you should be able to see everything now. [14-Apr-24 04:30 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 thank you! [14-Apr-24 04:31 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 oh cool so i see there is a grant program? how does that work? [14-Apr-24 04:48 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 Either way, spent my first couple of days getting my bearings - got a second smelter and stocked up on consumables, should be good for about 2 weeks now chipping away at AL productionโ€ฆ. Otherwise i just do contracts and wait for the numbers to go up. I guess thats all i can do for now right? [14-Apr-24 12:36 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Yeah, maybe plan next bases [14-Apr-24 12:37 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I'm not gonna sugarcoat it, AL Deimos is one of the least profitable starts. So any other base you make will be making more money [14-Apr-24 12:37 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Speaking from experience [14-Apr-24 12:38 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 We might be planning to spam a bunch of PG bases soon so you might want to jump on for your next base [14-Apr-24 12:38 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 PG is crazy overvalued [14-Apr-24 12:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 This really isn't strictly true. [14-Apr-24 12:40 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 True, FE is worse [14-Apr-24 12:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 There's a lot of money to be made within AL on Deimos. [14-Apr-24 12:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 Hardly one of the least profitable. [14-Apr-24 12:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 Think we went through this already in the official Discord. [14-Apr-24 12:42 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Yes and my opinion didn't change. I updated the graph and it's still the bottom of the barrel by a significant margin and it has been this way since I joined. I gotta do something else rn so I won't argue more [14-Apr-24 12:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 Either way, Metzger, AL into Bfabs is extremely profitable and can net you a solid income. [14-Apr-24 12:44 PM] Deleted User#0000 Deimos to Nike is also pretty easy on shipping, too. [14-Apr-24 12:44 PM] Deleted User#0000 Shipping requirements also go down quite a bit when translating from AL to bfab so you can let it stockpile for a while and ship it all at once. [14-Apr-24 12:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 Not to mention a full Nike base of pp2s is pretty easy on consumables, and Deimos smelting only requires pio consumables which are relatively abundant and aren't too expensive either. [14-Apr-24 12:54 PM] jvaler#0000 ngl i can't agree with this anymore. looking at the numbers nowadays 25-30k/d for a minmaxxed base is pretty pitiful [14-Apr-24 12:56 PM] jvaler#0000 AL @ 550/u is a much bigger difference than i thought [14-Apr-24 12:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm holding firm on the point that Deimos is a great starter with good prospects for profit. {Reactions} โœ… [14-Apr-24 12:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 Me and roganartu already had this discussion with Dvorak in the official Discord. [14-Apr-24 12:58 PM] jvaler#0000 i'll go look for that then [14-Apr-24 12:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 ***Especially*** with Nike next door. [14-Apr-24 12:58 PM] tanda#0000 I'm not really an expert or that much of an analyst, but with the vertical integration that I have going on my supply chain, each individual AL unit costs ~285 AIC to make [14-Apr-24 01:00 PM] jvaler#0000 that's not really a consideration for first-month players [14-Apr-24 01:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 It is here. [14-Apr-24 01:01 PM] jvaler#0000 i guess. but that makes metallurgy start only good for AGP recipients [14-Apr-24 01:02 PM] Deleted User#0000 It is a starter planet without a grant or loan to get you by, that's going to be a slog regardless of where you are. [14-Apr-24 01:02 PM] Deleted User#0000 The prospects are there with Nike to move forward to. [14-Apr-24 01:02 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i had moved to Nike within my first month before i got the grant [14-Apr-24 01:03 PM] Deleted User#0000 You'll be doing plenty of waiting regardless of where you start off. [14-Apr-24 01:04 PM] jvaler#0000 definitely disagree. other starts just make you better money for your investment, which makes you grow faster. FRMs are very cheap(great ROI period) and have about the same returns as AL SME right now [14-Apr-24 01:04 PM] jvaler#0000 if not better depending on what you make [14-Apr-24 01:05 PM] jvaler#0000 last i checked my 13 FRM harmonia base was ~35k/d making GRN & HCP [14-Apr-24 01:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 And that's a good option. [14-Apr-24 01:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 Doesn't invalidate Deimos as a solid starter. [14-Apr-24 01:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 You have stable income, good market, good location, and the ability to vertically integrate further. [14-Apr-24 01:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 And the market for bfabs is very strong. [14-Apr-24 01:06 PM] jvaler#0000 bfabs aren't a consideration for deimos metallurgy start without a loan/grant [14-Apr-24 01:07 PM] jvaler#0000 though maybe a lot of the value is in the fact that deimos has no more plots [14-Apr-24 01:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 Leslie managed a base with no grant. [14-Apr-24 01:07 PM] jvaler#0000 so if you don't take the bad start you'll never get it [14-Apr-24 01:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 I see no reason why others cannot do the same. [14-Apr-24 01:07 PM] jvaler#0000 you can make any start *work*, this is about whether it's *good* [14-Apr-24 01:08 PM] Deleted User#0000 You mention bfabs not being a consideration without a loan or grant, Leslie is proof that it is. [14-Apr-24 01:08 PM] jvaler#0000 they did PP2 on deimos right? [14-Apr-24 01:09 PM] jvaler#0000 that might actually be a really good idea now that AL is priced so low [14-Apr-24 01:09 PM] Deleted User#0000 They mentioned they moved to Nike within the first month. [14-Apr-24 01:09 PM] Deleted User#0000 No grant. [14-Apr-24 01:09 PM] jvaler#0000 really? huh [14-Apr-24 01:09 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'd assume that means smeltery on Deimos and PP2 on Nike. [14-Apr-24 01:09 PM] Deleted User#0000 . [14-Apr-24 01:10 PM] jvaler#0000 they definitely talked about deconstructing bootstrap buildings, but maybe that was their nike CHP i'm thinking of [14-Apr-24 01:10 PM] darkgineer#0000 What's a Nike? ๐Ÿ˜Š [14-Apr-24 01:11 PM] Deleted User#0000 PLI ZV-194A [14-Apr-24 01:11 PM] jvaler#0000 it's a planet with construction CoGC [14-Apr-24 01:11 PM] Deleted User#0000 Either way, I think I'm going to be firm on my Deimos opinion, not least because it is probably the only reason I'm at the place I am now and had I picked any other planet I probably wouldn't still be playing. [14-Apr-24 01:12 PM] Deleted User#0000 It worked fine for me and I still hold the opinion it'll work fine for others and opens the door for plenty of options. [14-Apr-24 01:12 PM] Deleted User#0000 It isn't the best, I still think that resides with Promitor just based solely on the ease and stability it affords, although in my opinion that's a boring way to play. [14-Apr-24 01:13 PM] jvaler#0000 the market's changed though. AL isn't at 600/u anymore and probably won't be for a while [14-Apr-24 01:13 PM] jvaler#0000 but sure, it's ur opinion [14-Apr-24 01:14 PM] Deleted User#0000 I don't believe the drop is as significant as it is made out to be. [14-Apr-24 01:14 PM] jvaler#0000 the prunplanner numbers i saw say it is ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ [14-Apr-24 01:15 PM] jvaler#0000 the only reason i'm still getting 40k/d out of it is because of the static deal with rise to sell at 600/u [14-Apr-24 01:16 PM] jvaler#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183248948543098992/1228775620490694756 [14-Apr-24 01:16 PM] Deleted User#0000 Agree to disagree, I suppose. [14-Apr-24 01:17 PM] jvaler#0000 but if i didn't have that deal i'd be in the same boat as dvorak [14-Apr-24 01:17 PM] Deleted User#0000 From the conversation previously Dvorak definitely seemed to exagerate the profit situation. [14-Apr-24 01:17 PM] jvaler#0000 exaggerate in what direction? [14-Apr-24 01:18 PM] Deleted User#0000 It being so negative. [14-Apr-24 01:18 PM] jvaler#0000 25k/d for 500 area is pretty bad [14-Apr-24 01:19 PM] jvaler#0000 maybe i'm spoiled by CAAP profits and seeing nike BBH at 80k/d+ [14-Apr-24 01:20 PM] jvaler#0000 but those AA co-ops are also how you have so much money right? [14-Apr-24 01:20 PM] Deleted User#0000 I don't think there's an issue with how I make my money now. [14-Apr-24 01:21 PM] jvaler#0000 right, no issue cause your profits are good [14-Apr-24 01:21 PM] Deleted User#0000 And they were just fine when I was solo on Deimos. [14-Apr-24 01:22 PM] jvaler#0000 and that was when AL was 600/u+ [14-Apr-24 01:22 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ difference of perspective i guess. idk [14-Apr-24 01:23 PM] Deleted User#0000 I have no issue with what you think of Deimos, but the whole it is terrible thing to new people really does us no favours whatsoever. [14-Apr-24 01:23 PM] Deleted User#0000 Especially when that's our main area of getting people interested. [14-Apr-24 01:24 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm not convinced myself it's entirely bad... only because of the plot situation [14-Apr-24 01:24 PM] jvaler#0000 i mean it doesn't have to be [14-Apr-24 01:24 PM] jvaler#0000 tbh i think that grant money would be better used making maxxed FRM bases. a full FRM base cost is basically equivelant to 1 grant [14-Apr-24 01:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 And so is a smelter base. [14-Apr-24 01:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 And if you go for a farming starter, guess what, no Deimos. [14-Apr-24 01:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 No easy construction. [14-Apr-24 01:25 PM] jvaler#0000 smelter is like 1mil iirc. FRM is ~650k iirc [14-Apr-24 01:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 Prunplanner has mine down for slightly over 800k. [14-Apr-24 01:26 PM] Deleted User#0000 864, so not slightly, but under 1m. [14-Apr-24 01:26 PM] Deleted User#0000 But that's also for an entirely filled out base. [14-Apr-24 01:26 PM] jvaler#0000 hm [14-Apr-24 01:26 PM] jvaler#0000 oh i misremembered [14-Apr-24 01:26 PM] jvaler#0000 that's right [14-Apr-24 01:27 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 SME base is pretty cheap. I just think we already won the cheap AL fight and we should guide new players towards other materials if they are interested. Maybe one day we would have cheap AL and the cheapest PG in the universe too [14-Apr-24 01:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 Do we have an internal price for C? [14-Apr-24 01:28 PM] Deleted User#0000 We don't, [14-Apr-24 01:28 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'd wager if we had a cheaper C source it'd be less of an issue. [14-Apr-24 01:28 PM] Deleted User#0000 It'd also in comparison upwards the profit of construction too. [14-Apr-24 01:29 PM] jvaler#0000 possibly [14-Apr-24 01:29 PM] Deleted User#0000 But then the price per unit of AL goes down even more, which. [14-Apr-24 01:29 PM] jvaler#0000 increasing my C surplus is my next personal goal [14-Apr-24 01:29 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 same here, my Deimos and chem base chews most of it up rn [14-Apr-24 01:29 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 but i do hope to have more surplus C in the next couple of weeks for us [14-Apr-24 01:30 PM] jvaler#0000 dread it, run from it, HYF arrives all the same [14-Apr-24 01:30 PM] Deleted User#0000 I fucking hate HYFs. [14-Apr-24 01:30 PM] tanda#0000 my main issue with C is having enough plants to burn. I just expanded my Nascent base to 15 INC, but I'm now doing single burn [14-Apr-24 01:30 PM] Deleted User#0000 Looking at those MHL contracts to Rise makes me want to cry. [14-Apr-24 01:31 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 currently running 23 INC on 759g burning HCP [14-Apr-24 01:31 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 but i also supply my friend with C so kinda tight rn [14-Apr-24 01:31 PM] Deleted User#0000 Do you just have a base on every unnamed Antares x planet? [14-Apr-24 01:31 PM] Deleted User#0000 First D and now G.. [14-Apr-24 01:32 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 lol [14-Apr-24 01:32 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 pretty much lol [14-Apr-24 01:32 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'd subsidize a Nascent base with cheaper C at a loss to myself but I'd need someone to source the food mats otherwise there's no point. [14-Apr-24 01:32 PM] Deleted User#0000 Both my Harmonia and Life bases are occupied. [14-Apr-24 01:33 PM] tanda#0000 Yeah, this is my issue. I could easily cap my base on Nascent, but I can't supply it [14-Apr-24 01:33 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 was looking at J for TIO in the future lmao [14-Apr-24 01:33 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i'm filling the pop on the niche planets [14-Apr-24 01:33 PM] Deleted User#0000 You are a menace. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ˆ [14-Apr-24 01:33 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i shall have my own planetary alphabet [14-Apr-24 01:33 PM] jvaler#0000 thing is... *should* C be cheaper? as it is INC make very little profit https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1183248948543098992/1228777433029935124/image.png?ex=662d4729&is=661ad229&hm=de8b4f37ed8e5b5ff5d06734d6477cfff8f132977cdfc4fce431210c08367f0f& cx set to ask/ask {Embed} https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1183248948543098992/1228777433029935124/image.png?ex=662d4729&is=661ad229&hm=de8b4f37ed8e5b5ff5d06734d6477cfff8f132977cdfc4fce431210c08367f0f& https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1183248948543098992/1228777433029935124/image.png?ex=68151229&is=6813c0a9&hm=a5601cf418bbfbcdc698f1df8cd2aecf33eb1cda07667b7d7f50492c0b2e66e2& [14-Apr-24 01:33 PM] Deleted User#0000 That's what I was thinking to begin with. [14-Apr-24 01:33 PM] tanda#0000 my actual cost to make C is 125 on single burn [14-Apr-24 01:34 PM] tanda#0000 so yes, it *should* be cheaper [14-Apr-24 01:34 PM] Deleted User#0000 If we make C cheaper, AL becomes cheaper, meaning the price inevitably goes down making Deimos harder. [14-Apr-24 01:34 PM] Deleted User#0000 Cheaper AL is good for construction, but at that point, why make AL when you can just buy it? [14-Apr-24 01:35 PM] jvaler#0000 precisely [14-Apr-24 01:35 PM] Deleted User#0000 @histidinedwarf what was your plan for PG, if you had any? [14-Apr-24 01:36 PM] jvaler#0000 i think looking at vertical integration and ignoring individual bases' profits is a mistake. you have to think of the AL you make as if you were selling it, because that's how much you're "saving" in costs of buying it [14-Apr-24 02:08 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Daisy chain production for PG. It is used in tons of common mats from DW to bfabs and would complement cheap AL. The most costly material in making PG is C so it makes sense focusing on producing it in house in order to not mess with CX (I think the price rn is alright, if anything maybe should be a bit more expensive). Should be 3 groups, people on Harmonia making agri products, then a yet unknown planet burning for carbon and then the last group spamming POL somewhere, maybe Elon. New players can start and be helping immediately along any step. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (3) [14-Apr-24 02:09 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 No concrete numbers on how many of each group are required and how much of the weekly trade we need to be making to affect the price [14-Apr-24 02:29 PM] tanda#0000 I can contribute to two of those steps [14-Apr-24 02:31 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i am doing all 3 of them already so count me in [14-Apr-24 02:42 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I: - Produce HCP on Harmonia - Burn HCP + Extract H on ZV-759g - Make PG on ZV-759d [14-Apr-24 02:45 PM] tanda#0000 Currently I am: Producing GRN on Harmonia Burning GRN on Nascent [14-Apr-24 06:44 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I'm spinning back up my production on Nike (In-system / Building Prefabs), and Promitor (Out-system / Carbon). [15-Apr-24 02:33 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 Interesting discussion guys, iโ€˜ll definitely stick with Deimos and expand to Nike as suggested [15-Apr-24 02:33 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 If there is anything else i can do to strategically help growth for Antares let me know [15-Apr-24 02:35 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 Iโ€˜d love to join a corp if anyone is hiring [15-Apr-24 03:54 AM] darkgineer#0000 Me too [15-Apr-24 03:57 AM] evany.#0000 Same boat, but if your newer (I am too) it seems like most in game corps are defunct / people donโ€™t use them, probably since thereโ€™s no real advantages to them. I was told to check the ufo when I asked what you were asking while looking and I found this one instead. [15-Apr-24 04:17 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 Yea i guess the real benefit would be just to have a community which the ADI is also already providing it seems [15-Apr-24 04:17 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 But we noobs could just band together if you want [15-Apr-24 04:18 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 @darkgineer my company is called True Metals lol [15-Apr-24 10:40 AM] evany.#0000 okay whats the scam here {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1229456252808069193/image.png?ex=6814e75c&is=681395dc&hm=692b0af1a802c6e1d6779dd1e3b54c3b21e55c5188003edd8b185efad0c73342& [15-Apr-24 10:41 AM] evany.#0000 they sell you theirs so that you flip it then they never fulfill the buy side? is that the grift [15-Apr-24 10:57 AM] jvaler#0000 those ads are from different people lol [15-Apr-24 10:59 AM] jvaler#0000 ~~and archiel(orchid industrial) is a respected and long time member of the community~~ that's not archiel ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™€๏ธ [15-Apr-24 10:59 AM] jvaler#0000 so no scam [15-Apr-24 10:59 AM] evany.#0000 too much eve i guess [15-Apr-24 11:00 AM] jvaler#0000 lmao [15-Apr-24 11:01 AM] jvaler#0000 ~~they created and upkeep the governor helper spreadsheet found on PCT https://discord.com/channels/667551433503014924/831634010747699201/1197219714829668524~~ [15-Apr-24 11:01 AM] jvaler#0000 very useful [15-Apr-24 11:19 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 I harvest your tears in nullsec. ๐Ÿ˜… {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฒ [15-Apr-24 11:20 AM] igfloz#0000 ...said the rookie to the Titan pilot ROFL [15-Apr-24 11:21 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 Ahem the Orca pilot. [15-Apr-24 11:22 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 I'll call my friends in the shadows. ๐Ÿ˜… [15-Apr-24 11:23 AM] igfloz#0000 lol, I'ts likely evan is "one" of those friends ๐Ÿ˜„ [15-Apr-24 11:24 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 Is he a suicide ganker? Id be his friend. ๐Ÿ˜… [15-Apr-24 11:24 AM] igfloz#0000 He has many faces, nvm, I have said too much...sshhhhhhhhh ! [15-Apr-24 11:25 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 I've not played in years tbh. [15-Apr-24 11:25 AM] igfloz#0000 nor me, but me and evan go way back in eve [15-Apr-24 11:27 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 Nice! I mostly station traded in the end... Never lost my Orca but came close far too many times. Games too stressful for me now. [15-Apr-24 11:28 AM] igfloz#0000 I lost a POS with an orca , a rorqual and many battleships parked in it due to down time. Billions lost ! - I kinda quit then. [15-Apr-24 11:28 AM] evany.#0000 I still have one titan left to sell if someone wants a Ragnarok [15-Apr-24 11:29 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 That'd make me quit too. ๐Ÿ˜… [15-Apr-24 11:30 AM] evany.#0000 I canโ€™t say Iโ€™ve done everything in eve, but in two months my main is 20 years old soโ€ฆ {Reactions} ๐Ÿš€ [15-Apr-24 11:33 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 My account would probably be 11ish or something. ๐Ÿ˜… I think I played a lot in 2013-2018 [15-Apr-24 11:33 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 Went back to old school runescape. ๐Ÿ˜… [15-Apr-24 11:59 AM] archielvahr#0000 I'm not Orchid Industrial [15-Apr-24 12:00 PM] jvaler#0000 wait [15-Apr-24 12:00 PM] jvaler#0000 omg [15-Apr-24 12:00 PM] archielvahr#0000 That's yngwette, who has also been aroudn a lot [15-Apr-24 12:00 PM] jvaler#0000 why do i keep making that mistake lmfao i'm sorry [15-Apr-24 12:00 PM] archielvahr#0000 Heh no problem [15-Apr-24 12:00 PM] archielvahr#0000 In any case, I assume it's just that someone didn't look very closely at the whole Local Market [15-Apr-24 12:01 PM] jvaler#0000 @evany. orchid industrial isn't archiel, i'm an idiot [15-Apr-24 12:02 PM] archielvahr#0000 still probably not a scam though ๐Ÿ™‚ [15-Apr-24 12:04 PM] jvaler#0000 right lol [15-Apr-24 12:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 Orchiel industries? ๐Ÿ˜› {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [15-Apr-24 12:09 PM] jvaler#0000 real [15-Apr-24 02:04 PM] darkgineer#0000 Is there a point to procure BDE at Benten instead of AI1? According to my calculations I will save about 7 K AIC, but waste 3 days... [15-Apr-24 02:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 I wouldn't advise going all the way there for BDE. [15-Apr-24 02:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 Not for 7k. [15-Apr-24 02:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 You'll spend more than that just on fuel and degradation. [15-Apr-24 02:13 PM] darkgineer#0000 Noted, thanks. [15-Apr-24 06:39 PM] evany.#0000 No worries, haha it just seemed odd to pay 1$ more than the other contract? Like why wouldnโ€™t you buy it, thereโ€™s no way your dropping 80k for something and your like โ€œna I canโ€™t pay 80,151โ€ โ€ฆ or whatever the exact number is. Bloody odd [15-Apr-24 06:41 PM] Deleted User#0000 They aren't buying the same amount. [15-Apr-24 06:41 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Idk I like even numbers better than odd ones. ๐Ÿ˜… [15-Apr-24 06:41 PM] Deleted User#0000 One is asking for 100, one is trying to sell 150. [15-Apr-24 06:52 PM] jvaler#0000 ~~other way around, they want to sell AL @ 530/u and the other person wants to buy AL @ 531/u silent running would be getting more by selling to that ad lol. they must have just not looked at the LM closely before posting their ad. simple mistake~~ [15-Apr-24 06:53 PM] jvaler#0000 or wait [15-Apr-24 06:53 PM] jvaler#0000 no i have the times backwards [15-Apr-24 06:54 PM] jvaler#0000 idk lol. only reason i'd do that is if i buy a specific amount of something regularly and don't want to mess up the nice numbers in my inventory or be assed with changing the amount in my ad [15-Apr-24 09:16 PM] tanda#0000 I really have to wonder why they did that [16-Apr-24 03:07 PM] darkgineer#0000 I posted an Ad on local market for buying stuff. Some CEO accepted said Ad and now I have "Fulfill"-button to send her money. Should I wait for her to provide goods and then send money or I should send money first for Ad to work? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1229885985047842919/image.png?ex=68147d55&is=68132bd5&hm=9623cc7e2cfa339d1b26f4a618c2acab0deb989bc50ad3bdde9a58f2afaad615& [16-Apr-24 03:08 PM] darkgineer#0000 Seeing that there is no "depends on" property on "delivery"-part, I assume I should wait for the goods. Am I wrong? [16-Apr-24 03:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Up to you really [16-Apr-24 03:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But if you pay now and they fall through we should be able to make sure you donโ€™t loose your money [16-Apr-24 03:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [16-Apr-24 03:10 PM] darkgineer#0000 Seeing that this CEO is three hour old I think I'll wait for goods. [16-Apr-24 03:48 PM] tanda#0000 3 hours old and already bought pro? Weird [16-Apr-24 03:56 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I bought pro at 0 hours old. It's not uncommon. ๐Ÿ˜… {Reactions} โž• [16-Apr-24 03:56 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Did a 3 month trial of it. Need to reup once I get working again. ๐Ÿ˜… [16-Apr-24 04:08 PM] flor2081#0000 hm, that is weird indeed [16-Apr-24 09:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ok how do I extend a contract that will be breached? [16-Apr-24 09:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 guy said that he bungled the timing and the contract is gonna time out [16-Apr-24 10:00 PM] jvaler#0000 let the time run out and then you get 2 buttons [16-Apr-24 10:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Extend and cancel? [16-Apr-24 10:14 PM] coolfeather2#0000 Ya [16-Apr-24 10:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Wow learning so much [16-Apr-24 10:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 [16-Apr-24 10:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Thanks guys [17-Apr-24 04:03 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I can give you the MCG for free at ANT [17-Apr-24 11:51 AM] darkgineer#0000 Thank you very much, but I already got it https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183249253439639592/1229941724030304317 [17-Apr-24 11:52 AM] darkgineer#0000 Maybe you have some construction prefabs? ๐Ÿ˜ [17-Apr-24 12:24 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Perhaps I do ๐Ÿ˜‰ [17-Apr-24 12:25 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 What you needing? [18-Apr-24 03:29 PM] darkgineer#0000 I think I know the answer, but still โ€” how difficult in terms of credits, resources and time is to build a new ship? [18-Apr-24 03:30 PM] flor2081#0000 a new ship costs about 3-4 million {Reactions} โšฐ๏ธ [18-Apr-24 03:30 PM] flor2081#0000 if you've got all the stuff you just need to ship it to a shipyard and it'll take like 1 day to actually build [18-Apr-24 03:30 PM] flor2081#0000 upgrading in the beginning is a lot more viable though [18-Apr-24 03:38 PM] igfloz#0000 Is that a similar process ? I mean take the required items to a shipyard (and then maybe there is an upgrade button ?) [18-Apr-24 03:38 PM] flor2081#0000 yes you can make an upgrade blueprint with the command `BLU` [18-Apr-24 03:39 PM] flor2081#0000 and in a shipyard you can put the starter ship and then the upgrade thing {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [18-Apr-24 03:39 PM] flor2081#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1230618751167107072/image.png?ex=681484c6&is=68133346&hm=0c71ee81e3b62f083ff2b2ee241966e5d98047ce9271321070329a7ceba8b3a2& [18-Apr-24 03:39 PM] flor2081#0000 like that [18-Apr-24 03:39 PM] igfloz#0000 oic, thanks ! [18-Apr-24 04:04 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Upgrading the storage is about 700-800k I found with mine [18-Apr-24 04:04 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Thatโ€™s why I only upgraded the 1 ๐Ÿ˜‚ [19-Apr-24 12:51 AM] flor2081#0000 Schaitr offers cheap upgrade packs for 450k and 650 in the UFO server https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1202257500213366804/1202257500213366804 [19-Apr-24 12:52 AM] flor2081#0000 470* [19-Apr-24 01:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 Anyone familiar with the GTU raffles? [19-Apr-24 02:07 PM] flor2081#0000 uh partially, what you wanna know? [19-Apr-24 02:08 PM] flor2081#0000 idk what raffles means tho [19-Apr-24 02:09 PM] Deleted User#0000 They do raffles rather frequently or at least do I've seen. [19-Apr-24 02:09 PM] Deleted User#0000 I think that'd be a good thing to do here. [19-Apr-24 02:09 PM] Deleted User#0000 Imagine basically just a giveaway. [19-Apr-24 02:09 PM] flor2081#0000 oh [19-Apr-24 02:09 PM] flor2081#0000 well they do have a rather new lottery thing if thats what you mean [19-Apr-24 02:09 PM] Deleted User#0000 People pay a small fee to be apart of it and then a larger prize is collected and distributed based on the amount of entrances purchased. [19-Apr-24 02:09 PM] flor2081#0000 I haven't seen any actual giveaways though [19-Apr-24 02:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 That's pretty much what a raffle is. [19-Apr-24 02:10 PM] flor2081#0000 aah [19-Apr-24 02:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 Well no, not pretty much, that is a raffle. [19-Apr-24 02:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 I was thinking of doing something like that here. [19-Apr-24 02:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 Granted I don't have the incentives GTU has. [19-Apr-24 02:11 PM] flor2081#0000 yeah that could be fun, in GTU there's a couple of people that pay money as donation to get a nice pot [19-Apr-24 02:11 PM] flor2081#0000 last time it got to like 40m [19-Apr-24 02:11 PM] flor2081#0000 but I think it'll be pretty difficult to get such a big pot here [19-Apr-24 02:12 PM] flor2081#0000 it'll also be difficult for GTU from now on, the last 2 pots were big because an inactive player gave all his savings into that [19-Apr-24 02:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 That's over half my total worth. [19-Apr-24 02:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 It definitely wouldn't be as good, no. [19-Apr-24 02:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'll need to make more money for that lmao. [19-Apr-24 02:15 PM] Deleted User#0000 Either way, something I'll look into doing. [19-Apr-24 02:44 PM] igfloz#0000 Ya know.... It's only just now that I realise that people add their company code to the username here (just done mine) [19-Apr-24 02:46 PM] flor2081#0000 yeah and corp too [19-Apr-24 02:46 PM] flor2081#0000 though i see my corp is wrong, hold on [19-Apr-24 02:48 PM] flor2081#0000 alright perfect [19-Apr-24 03:22 PM] jvaler#0000 hold on aha [19-Apr-24 03:23 PM] flor2081#0000 hahah didnt even realise that [20-Apr-24 02:20 AM] evany.#0000 Your not in a guild how do you have a company code though [20-Apr-24 03:59 AM] flor2081#0000 I think he meant the company code that everyone has [20-Apr-24 04:00 AM] flor2081#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1231167531633475654/image.png?ex=6814899d&is=6813381d&hm=0ece269fcff87d4869e18e8c78feef0768963ec70a1b418e7761809e0468fe91& [20-Apr-24 07:28 AM] Deleted User#0000 Good morning Vietnam. {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก (4) [20-Apr-24 07:29 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1231220169456488559/image0.gif?ex=6814baa3&is=68136923&hm=f342500d90be3e6151a4807fbc04734d110c0442c00225549d2e99fb3073d9cf& [20-Apr-24 09:14 AM] jvaler#0000 companies aren't the same as corporations in this game [22-Apr-24 10:26 AM] .urpalhal#0000 @Deleted User Your shipping ads on the LM at deimos expired. I was gonna send a ship in 4 or so hours to Nike from Deimos, would you like me to ship those for you? [22-Apr-24 11:55 AM] evany.#0000 a more general question - flying/fuel wise is there a way to get 'optimal' for longest time i just sent ships at the 'default' but it seems like if you tinker with the bars you can get them to go lower and still be faster in some situations [22-Apr-24 11:55 AM] evany.#0000 is there a way to reliably select the cheapest/fastest (optimal) fuel levels? [22-Apr-24 12:08 PM] sidepipe#0000 not that I know of, you just have to click around a bit until you get the shorter route [22-Apr-24 01:10 PM] jvaler#0000 there's a known bug where theres 2 separate flight paths your ship can take, and clicking anywhere on the fuel bars will randomize between the two. (randomized but not always 50/50 for unknown reasons) one of the paths is most often strictly superior to the other, so it's always good to compare both. in my experience this superiority doesn't exist in STL-only flights [25-Apr-24 04:35 AM] darkgineer#0000 How to increase storage space on a base? ๐Ÿค” [25-Apr-24 04:37 AM] flor2081#0000 you can build a STO (all the way at the bottom in the construct tab) [25-Apr-24 04:37 AM] flor2081#0000 that will give an extra 5000t and 5000m [25-Apr-24 04:37 AM] flor2081#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1232988833511899216/image.png?ex=68149255&is=681340d5&hm=9e5af0467618ffef49689520646c0f8ec3ac41f3222b514d7d208637b07690d0& [25-Apr-24 04:37 AM] darkgineer#0000 Thank you! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [29-Apr-24 11:39 AM] avalock#0000 base set up, time to move stuff for mining, pioneers and a storage facility [29-Apr-24 11:41 AM] avalock#0000 itโ€™s gonna be a problem cause its a 1 day tripโ€ฆ time for contracts [29-Apr-24 03:30 PM] darkgineer#0000 Is there any point in participating in the upkeep of CoGC, while I'm still new to the game and only setting up my company? [29-Apr-24 03:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Not really, unless you are on a super underpopulated planet [29-Apr-24 03:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But why would you do that as a new player [29-Apr-24 04:12 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 The governor is generally supposed to do it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [29-Apr-24 04:37 PM] avalock#0000 because I'm a masochist [29-Apr-24 04:37 PM] avalock#0000 :woopsSuffering: [30-Apr-24 11:57 AM] avalock#0000 :KEKW: i dropped the copper base just to realize it was dumb, iโ€™m doing ALO SIO and TIO {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [30-Apr-24 04:43 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 copper is...different, who knows, might make you rich ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿผโ€โ™‚๏ธ lol [30-Apr-24 04:44 PM] avalock#0000 I went for different things now {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Ž [30-Apr-24 09:59 PM] avalock#0000 i think if i do go for them, probably a later on thing [30-Apr-24 10:08 PM] avalock#0000 for now lighter metals [03-May-24 01:34 PM] darkgineer#0000 Is it possible to increase production order queue capacity beyond five slots? [03-May-24 01:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah. Upgrade your base HQ. Not sure when the first one is tho [03-May-24 01:37 PM] darkgineer#0000 Thanks, found it in manual: > Levels 5, 10, 13, 16, 18 and 20 grant you additional queue slots to make managing your production queues easier. (https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/headquarters/) [06-May-24 10:47 AM] avalock#0000 i picked up a second aluminum mine [06-May-24 10:47 AM] avalock#0000 aggressive expansion slowly making me poor but thats fine :hehe: [06-May-24 10:47 AM] avalock#0000 drive yourself into debt for massive profit later or something right? [06-May-24 11:04 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Do you mean as in a second ALO extraction base? [06-May-24 11:05 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Or just another extractor on your current base? [06-May-24 11:05 AM] avalock#0000 another base [06-May-24 11:05 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 What bases do you have rn? [06-May-24 11:05 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 And where is your new one? [06-May-24 11:06 AM] avalock#0000 Nascent and ZV-759J [06-May-24 11:06 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Well let me know when you start stocking up ALO, cause Iโ€™ll buy it off you, you name a price and Iโ€™ll pay it [06-May-24 11:07 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 And Iโ€™ll pick it up from your base too [06-May-24 11:07 AM] avalock#0000 o7 [06-May-24 11:07 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™ll look up [06-May-24 11:07 AM] avalock#0000 a price tool to help out [06-May-24 11:08 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Iโ€™ll Probably buy it in stacks of between 500-1000 [06-May-24 11:08 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Every week or so, if you can supply that ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿผโ€โ™‚๏ธ [06-May-24 11:09 AM] avalock#0000 i produce 168/day on nascent [06-May-24 11:10 AM] avalock#0000 need to put luxury consumer products there to boost stuff :hehe: [06-May-24 11:12 AM] avalock#0000 Iโ€™m just starting in the second base so that will take time [06-May-24 11:13 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Well I can pay you 80/u (I think thatโ€™s near market price) so you are still making good money [06-May-24 11:13 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Just let me know ๐Ÿ™‚ [06-May-24 11:13 AM] avalock#0000 that seems like a reasonable price to me :neko_nod: [06-May-24 11:15 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I just canโ€™t remember what the market price is ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿผโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐Ÿ˜‚ [06-May-24 11:15 AM] avalock#0000 :giggle: [06-May-24 02:11 PM] jvaler#0000 it fluctuates a bit between 80-100 iirc [06-May-24 02:11 PM] jvaler#0000 so 80 seems reasonable [06-May-24 02:11 PM] jvaler#0000 deimos LM ALO goes for cheaper so [06-May-24 06:10 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Any reason not to upgrade a ship to WCB + LHP ? I was planning on doing that soon for both my ships [06-May-24 06:16 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 super worth it. I also usually recommend MFL too, gives you more range for possible CX to CX travel (or similar long distances, without haveing to fill up at every stop) [06-May-24 06:18 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Maybe I'll add an MFL eventually but I have never once sent a ship to another CX and I don't see myself doing that rn. As long as I can get to another CX and refuel I don't care really [07-May-24 10:51 AM] avalock#0000 the ALO market has a lot of volatility :woopsWeary1: [07-May-24 10:51 AM] pitic_heavy_industries#0000 it crashed? [07-May-24 10:51 AM] avalock#0000 no [07-May-24 10:52 AM] avalock#0000 just prices are not stable [07-May-24 10:52 AM] avalock#0000 volatile โ‰  crash/bearish [07-May-24 10:52 AM] pitic_heavy_industries#0000 ah [07-May-24 10:54 AM] acramernc#0000 my deimos base is mostly empty, i was thinking of making it an extraction/smelting base and exporting the AL, would it be more beneficial to just focus on extraction and sell raw ALO? [07-May-24 10:57 AM] avalock#0000 imo would be good to set up a simulation if you want ALO mining or AL smelting only with like prunplanner [07-May-24 10:58 AM] avalock#0000 then calculate Return on Investment and profitability [07-May-24 11:10 AM] avalock#0000 oh yeah i donโ€™t have pro yet, i should by Friday iโ€™ll let you know how much is on nascent {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Ž [07-May-24 11:13 AM] coolfeather2#0000 It has metallurgy so focus on SME [07-May-24 11:13 AM] coolfeather2#0000 Nascent for ALO extraction [08-May-24 07:38 AM] darkgineer#0000 Question regarding HQ upgrades. Does each consecutive upgrade costs the same as the first one in terms of mats? [08-May-24 07:42 AM] acramernc#0000 no [08-May-24 07:42 AM] acramernc#0000 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OkchGBPadxmlv0hDgk0FZmC223fVD9RjsMbV-ibUI4E/edit#gid=0 {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OkchGBPadxmlv0hDgk0FZmC223fVD9RjsMbV-ibUI4E/edit Copy of Prosperous Universe HQ Upgrade Costs Upgrade Costs Prosperous Universe HQ Upgrade Costs HQ 2 Materials,Cost Qty,Ticker,IC1,AI1,CI1,NC1 6,BBH,$14,400,$13,980,$13,800,$13,620 4,BDE,$9,400,$9,216,$9,160,$9,240 4,BSE,$6,200,$6,120,$6,160,$6,160 2,BTA,$3,160,$2,000,$2,000,$2,740 12,MCG,$349,$358,$356,$408 4,TRU,$2,796,$2,320,$1,240,$1,4... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/_KOSHAc0lfNbIUaFx4jwTMQmlkzFmyEgA22CwW2I0ZE/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyJ5MUFnEVjKQbGaaQAMVAOshwwWm5lGkPh_b-PFOGJTBReCSPmtyvE7naHPdx5hw1WVVDgkB1V5Q3aL3k99Z-CksPo9jnFZvHS6RgSGU8cuiXVP5uai%3Dw1200-h630-p {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’œ [08-May-24 07:44 AM] darkgineer#0000 Ouch. That's really not cheap :\ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [10-May-24 12:03 PM] avalock#0000 @uncle_leslie69 lmk wheres a good spot to talk about the deal, should be good on my side by 6 pm EST [10-May-24 12:04 PM] avalock#0000 rn its about 530 :ALO: [10-May-24 12:09 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 We can do it in #associate-planning ig [11-May-24 11:09 AM] avalock#0000 TIO mining is now operational :WICKED: {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [11-May-24 11:13 AM] Deleted User#0000 Great! [11-May-24 11:16 AM] avalock#0000 gonna build a some storage, another habitat, and more extractors for that tasty titanium [11-May-24 01:04 PM] avalock#0000 anyone have a good ship blueprint? I would like to upgrade/build 1 new ship [11-May-24 01:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Uhh yes [11-May-24 01:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 WCB template. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1238914988152852571/image.png?ex=6815097f&is=6813b7ff&hm=66d34335df8950bb48237a1ed34114f32bb229f968d4b75e85fd771b16086e73& [11-May-24 01:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 This is what I have on all 3 of my ships. [11-May-24 01:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1202257500213366804 [11-May-24 01:06 PM] jvaler#0000 just make sure to buy your own LHP if you use this offer ^ [11-May-24 01:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [11-May-24 01:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It basically follows @Deleted User blueprint but you will need to buy your own STS [11-May-24 01:07 PM] jvaler#0000 the STS doesn't really do anything for normal use... [11-May-24 01:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 Rise practically forced me to take them for free. [11-May-24 01:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 Only reason they are there. [11-May-24 01:08 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah lmfao [11-May-24 01:08 PM] jvaler#0000 but she isn't in AA for that [11-May-24 01:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 Damn, Rise is even coming for the very old Grif loan that I don't think I ever paid off. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ (5) [11-May-24 01:12 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 it's kinda sad that you're leaving and he's digging up old shit [11-May-24 01:13 PM] realharvey#0000 I think it's more of an joke, or flex that he remembered it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [11-May-24 01:13 PM] flor2081#0000 i mean, kindof the point of a loan [11-May-24 01:14 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 nah like i get that, but homie got a mega memory ๐Ÿ˜‚ [11-May-24 01:15 PM] Deleted User#0000 He didn't even fulfil the 1 rat @ ANT. ;c [11-May-24 01:16 PM] realharvey#0000 Selling an expensive golden RAT and not delivering it [11-May-24 01:16 PM] Deleted User#0000 3,339,552 AIC RAT. [11-May-24 01:16 PM] Deleted User#0000 Gotta love it. [11-May-24 01:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [11-May-24 01:18 PM] avalock#0000 :monkaW: that must be one big mouse [11-May-24 01:22 PM] jvaler#0000 a 0 interest loan is generous to begin with, it's not rude to want that money back when you know the person is leaving [11-May-24 01:22 PM] Deleted User#0000 It is definitely more than reasonable. [11-May-24 01:24 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 nah like i said, i'm not knocking it, i'm just saying it's sad that australis is leaving, not calling rise sad for asking for his money back. i'm just saying he's digging up old stuff i.e the loan, like if it were me i wouldn't have remembered ๐Ÿ˜‚ [11-May-24 01:24 PM] jvaler#0000 ah lmao [11-May-24 01:24 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 hence why i said he got mega brain memory [11-May-24 01:24 PM] Deleted User#0000 I think it is more so he needs to replace the base there and it isn't exactly cheap. [11-May-24 01:24 PM] realharvey#0000 Rise probably also has some holes to fill that australis leaves him with. So he might even need that cash [11-May-24 01:25 PM] realharvey#0000 how many of your bases have been project bases? [11-May-24 01:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 All. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [11-May-24 01:25 PM] realharvey#0000 how many bases did you have? [11-May-24 01:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 Minus Malahat, that's a recent development. [11-May-24 01:26 PM] Deleted User#0000 12 in total, 1 being a non-project one. [11-May-24 01:26 PM] realharvey#0000 lol and I thought I had alot [11-May-24 01:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 12 isn't really a lot. [11-May-24 01:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 If I had actually developed I'd probably be nearing 20, but since there was never enough project openings.. that never happened. [11-May-24 01:28 PM] jvaler#0000 i've got 16 but make less than australis cause quite a few of them are mediocre profit bases [11-May-24 01:28 PM] Deleted User#0000 And if I struggled with 12, I definitely wouldn't have liked 20. [11-May-24 01:28 PM] realharvey#0000 yeah.. growing more bases is also more "work" [11-May-24 01:30 PM] realharvey#0000 was considering assisting rog, since he seens to have alot of work with all that projects that he supports, gives grants and does alot of logistics for [11-May-24 01:30 PM] Deleted User#0000 I mean project bases are inheriantly easy to deal with, most are just contds every few days, so 20 project bases is no where near as bad as 20 regular bases. [11-May-24 01:30 PM] realharvey#0000 and I dont want him to burn out [11-May-24 01:30 PM] Deleted User#0000 People like FireFreak with 40 something bases make me question everything. [11-May-24 01:31 PM] flor2081#0000 he has a lot of low-input bases like electronics etc though [11-May-24 01:31 PM] flor2081#0000 but yeah thats insane lol [11-May-24 01:32 PM] Deleted User#0000 Fair. [11-May-24 01:32 PM] realharvey#0000 that's what I was going to say. Probably running those more Shipping efficient than everything else. Even if it costs him some efficiency otherwise [11-May-24 01:33 PM] jvaler#0000 i thought firefreak has a lot of triple permit bases [11-May-24 01:34 PM] Deleted User#0000 He has 36 bases. [11-May-24 01:34 PM] Deleted User#0000 Lowstrife has 35. [11-May-24 01:34 PM] Deleted User#0000 Last month Fire reached hq 44. [11-May-24 01:34 PM] realharvey#0000 why did I bother counting them when you are faster [11-May-24 01:34 PM] realharvey#0000 haha [11-May-24 01:35 PM] Deleted User#0000 Just use LEAD. [11-May-24 01:35 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1238922404441362602/image.png?ex=68151067&is=6813bee7&hm=575c67bbf1be437e762d396f048fd527b2212299cdf954ff5c869de91613e3ae& [11-May-24 01:35 PM] realharvey#0000 to easy [11-May-24 01:37 PM] Deleted User#0000 In hindsight, I should have probably listened to Jvaler: https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183248948543098992/1212827291298832384 [11-May-24 01:38 PM] sidepipe#0000 Itโ€™s never too late to COLIQ and try again ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ (2) ๐Ÿ‘† [11-May-24 01:39 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜” [11-May-24 01:39 PM] realharvey#0000 lol that made me chuckle [11-May-24 01:40 PM] realharvey#0000 Thats great advice. I try to keep project bases and my own at 50:50 {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Œ [11-May-24 01:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 Definitely a good idea. [11-May-24 01:44 PM] jvaler#0000 ever since i settled hermes and am making enough KOM for myself and to share i've been having more fun {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [11-May-24 01:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think Iโ€™m going to make Heph base so some one will follow your advice Jvaler ๐Ÿ˜Š {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฉ [11-May-24 01:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 Careful not to step on the toes of Big KOM. [11-May-24 02:01 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm not quite Big KOM yet... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1238928892174143619/image.png?ex=68151672&is=6813c4f2&hm=b2daadcf2a32e85563449146f8628968309e05876b74c69e96cfa754a821c2b0& [11-May-24 02:02 PM] jvaler#0000 been thinking about decommissioning my nascent base, turning my deimos base into DNPC fodder, and using harmonia for more HER [11-May-24 02:02 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't think rise would be happy losing their AL stream though although lately the 600/u set price has been above CX prices... [11-May-24 02:03 PM] Deleted User#0000 Now that's a Big you don't want to step on. [11-May-24 02:03 PM] Deleted User#0000 Big Rise. [11-May-24 02:03 PM] jvaler#0000 LOL [11-May-24 03:03 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i don't want this to sound dickish, but is it not annoying like being in someone's pocket like that? [11-May-24 03:03 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 like idk how the projects work, i could be totally misconcepting it but it sounds like when you're in doing stuff you are kinda stuck no? [11-May-24 03:04 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i've never been in a project or anything so i don't know how they work/how rise is etc but that's just the vibe it gives [11-May-24 03:04 PM] realharvey#0000 Projects are set up differently. Everyone runs them on their own set of rules [11-May-24 03:05 PM] realharvey#0000 Projects have the advantage, that you can run multiple bases on the same planet with different users to be permit efficient [11-May-24 03:06 PM] realharvey#0000 In alot of projects multiple people work together to create everything for one thing they want to produce [11-May-24 03:06 PM] realharvey#0000 and everything of that endmaterial that is produced is split between everyone [11-May-24 03:07 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 ahh that fair enough actually. [11-May-24 03:07 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 idk, i've never interacted with rise much tbh, homie just strikes me as some sort of kingpin ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [11-May-24 03:10 PM] realharvey#0000 those projects are setup in a way that it's beneficial for everyone involved. They give newer people quite a headstart [11-May-24 03:10 PM] realharvey#0000 you could use such a project to start with a steady source of income with low risk and fund your own adventures with that [11-May-24 03:15 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 hmm, i'm not too sure. i've never really seen a project that i'd want to get invested in. I'm mainly focusing on plastics and looking to govern a planet, so i don't want to get myself bogged down. i think defo in the future i'll maybe look into it [11-May-24 03:16 PM] realharvey#0000 Most important thing is: Do in this game what you think is most interesting for you [11-May-24 03:16 PM] realharvey#0000 Everyone can set his own goals and objectives and the pace at which one wants to grow :) [11-May-24 03:47 PM] jvaler#0000 my deal with rise is different than projects they gave me 0 interest loans and a stable outlet to sell goods in return for them getting a stable source of said goods [11-May-24 03:47 PM] jvaler#0000 for example i produce BGO, BRO, BER, CLI, and AL to sell to them at set prices [11-May-24 07:18 PM] coolfeather2#0000 So long and thanks for all the fish Australis, and welcoming me to the game {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [12-May-24 11:16 AM] jvaler#0000 @.urpalhal phobos coup is cancelled... both rise and roganartu use it for their own purposes ๐Ÿ˜” [12-May-24 11:16 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Nooooo ๐Ÿ˜ซ our glorious revolution [13-May-24 12:31 PM] avalock#0000 gm :MenheraWave: [13-May-24 12:46 PM] tanda#0000 good morning! [13-May-24 01:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 Anyone still interested in an Antares based shipping program? I know a few people here were interested in it before. [13-May-24 02:29 PM] tanda#0000 I would be interested in participating, especially now that my shipping capacity is about to not be dominated by my own needs [13-May-24 02:59 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m interested - actually thinking of buying another ship soon. I need like 3.2 ships and I have 3 ๐Ÿ˜„ [13-May-24 03:10 PM] tanda#0000 how many major pipelines would you say the antares area has? [13-May-24 03:15 PM] realharvey#0000 what do you mean by pipelines? [13-May-24 03:16 PM] realharvey#0000 do you mean the ANT to HRT route? Or in System shipping? [13-May-24 03:16 PM] tanda#0000 well, for example, I know of Harmonia>Nascent>Deimos>Nike [13-May-24 03:17 PM] flor2081#0000 boucher>harmonia>norwick [13-May-24 03:18 PM] flor2081#0000 well, there's lots of planets with the same CoGC so I think people just kindof choose whatever [13-May-24 03:19 PM] jvaler#0000 harmonia doesn't really need boucher... i think that's only the case in AFC because it's right next to life's HYF [13-May-24 03:20 PM] flor2081#0000 yeah true, put life somewhere in there too then ๐Ÿ˜„ [13-May-24 03:24 PM] tanda#0000 do you guys import water from boucher to harmonia due to lack of infrastructure on Ice Station Alpha? [13-May-24 03:25 PM] tanda#0000 seems like a lot further to travel for water [13-May-24 03:26 PM] sidepipe#0000 I bring it from Etherwind ๐Ÿฅฒ [13-May-24 03:26 PM] flor2081#0000 we do it in a big project, and mining on boucher is a lot more efficient so it uses less permits (RIG is way better than EXT), and we just have a dedicated person for shipping [13-May-24 03:26 PM] flor2081#0000 but if you're just doing FRM you don't need a full boucher base, etherwind or ice station alpha should be fine for that [13-May-24 03:29 PM] jvaler#0000 RIG vs EXT doesn't apply to boucher vs ISA cause both are rigs [13-May-24 03:30 PM] jvaler#0000 despite the name... [13-May-24 03:30 PM] flor2081#0000 oh what [13-May-24 03:30 PM] flor2081#0000 which dipshit named it ice station [13-May-24 03:30 PM] jvaler#0000 ikr [13-May-24 03:30 PM] flor2081#0000 okay my bad [13-May-24 03:30 PM] jvaler#0000 the main difference between the two is the hostile conditions of ISA [13-May-24 03:30 PM] jvaler#0000 HSE on 35 rigs is pain [13-May-24 03:30 PM] flor2081#0000 then this should scare you off plenty ๐Ÿ˜„ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1239676210506891294/image.png?ex=681482b0&is=68133130&hm=7ca958fdfafdc3870bed3e120c97d241ed6527ff86bc6250301a8d11ba38e3a0& [13-May-24 03:31 PM] jvaler#0000 right [13-May-24 03:32 PM] jvaler#0000 though tbh i'd take HSE rigs > needing extra LCBs to compensate for the distance to boucher [13-May-24 03:32 PM] jvaler#0000 but rise is also a shipbuilder so their situation is probably different. they seem to have infinite logi capacity [13-May-24 03:33 PM] flor2081#0000 haha true true [13-May-24 03:33 PM] flor2081#0000 did he say he makes like 1 ship a day? or was that a week [13-May-24 03:33 PM] jvaler#0000 it was per day iirc [13-May-24 03:33 PM] flor2081#0000 oh yeah he said per day [13-May-24 03:33 PM] flor2081#0000 thats a lot actually [13-May-24 03:33 PM] flor2081#0000 who buys all that [13-May-24 03:34 PM] jvaler#0000 who knows ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ [13-May-24 03:35 PM] jvaler#0000 well actually 1 person knows [13-May-24 03:36 PM] flor2081#0000 prob just roganartu and memory constantly expanding haha [13-May-24 03:38 PM] realharvey#0000 rise said he got some large orders in recently [13-May-24 03:38 PM] realharvey#0000 guys being crazy ordering multiple ships at once [13-May-24 03:39 PM] flor2081#0000 hah yeah thats kindof how it goes when you've got enough money, I ran out of ship space a couple weeks ago, got mad and instantly bought 3 ships [13-May-24 03:40 PM] realharvey#0000 lol I never have any liquid cash really to be able to even get one ship [13-May-24 03:40 PM] jvaler#0000 rise accepts purchases on credit [13-May-24 03:40 PM] jvaler#0000 to be paid off... whenever [13-May-24 03:40 PM] realharvey#0000 I know [13-May-24 03:40 PM] flor2081#0000 oh yeah he does {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1239678775801675899/image.png?ex=68148514&is=68133394&hm=fce53ef5b24a0b7a719c62d3b5bb32e79565f00fcd8eb7a90968a8208866d466& [13-May-24 03:41 PM] realharvey#0000 but I cant order 3 ships like that :D [13-May-24 03:41 PM] jvaler#0000 well 3 is a lot lmao [13-May-24 03:41 PM] tanda#0000 I guess it's better than having all those assets sitting around when you're the top dog, huh [13-May-24 03:41 PM] flor2081#0000 no cause now I'm poor ๐Ÿ˜„ [13-May-24 03:41 PM] flor2081#0000 who'd have thought feeding 3 people's bases is kindof expensive (looking at you harvey) [13-May-24 03:42 PM] realharvey#0000 yeah because you've indirectly build 6 Bases in a short time frame [13-May-24 03:42 PM] flor2081#0000 hahah timing [13-May-24 03:42 PM] realharvey#0000 I am totally innocent [13-May-24 03:42 PM] realharvey#0000 I got caught in a I want to make big RAT pyramid scheme [13-May-24 03:42 PM] flor2081#0000 its going better than I expected though [13-May-24 03:42 PM] flor2081#0000 am happy [13-May-24 03:43 PM] jvaler#0000 wait what's SEARC? south eastern antares... something something? [13-May-24 03:43 PM] flor2081#0000 that was merged to become HCC [13-May-24 03:43 PM] jvaler#0000 oh huh [13-May-24 03:43 PM] flor2081#0000 that was the fk-794d projects [13-May-24 03:43 PM] jvaler#0000 ohhhhhh [13-May-24 03:43 PM] flor2081#0000 making rat/dw/cof like the prom/avalon projects [13-May-24 03:44 PM] flor2081#0000 so they merged because they did the exact same (besides fim/mea) [13-May-24 03:44 PM] flor2081#0000 i think south eastern antares rat cooperation? [13-May-24 03:44 PM] flor2081#0000 not sure about the R, something like that [13-May-24 03:44 PM] jvaler#0000 sounds about right [13-May-24 03:44 PM] realharvey#0000 but what could go possibly wrong there? [13-May-24 03:46 PM] flor2081#0000 haha {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1239680075792650300/image.png?ex=6814864a&is=681334ca&hm=e12d4b8e2be6357a3787b63ff73822b1d2f9ccce11c01a43c5b0d4d5a41b74f8& [13-May-24 03:46 PM] flor2081#0000 swarc [13-May-24 03:46 PM] realharvey#0000 I just love the ANT - HRT relationship [13-May-24 03:47 PM] flor2081#0000 well this didnt go great {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1239680349370322964/image.png?ex=6814868b&is=6813350b&hm=347d6ee874203ddb1aa6091e24463ad50ed1d8acc732b42af4255cedf109dc1f& [13-May-24 03:47 PM] flor2081#0000 apparently someone else made buildings at the same time as me [13-May-24 03:47 PM] flor2081#0000 still I set up earlier than I originally planned so I dont mind waiting a week, and someone just fulfilled all popi so next week will be fine [13-May-24 03:48 PM] jvaler#0000 i see an opportunity for a real south eastern agri co-op now ๐Ÿง [13-May-24 04:04 PM] flor2081#0000 uh you mean afc? i dont get it ๐Ÿ˜… [13-May-24 04:04 PM] jvaler#0000 you pointed out boucher is west not east [13-May-24 04:04 PM] flor2081#0000 i made a pikachu in the sheet [13-May-24 04:05 PM] jvaler#0000 but demeter/hermes *are* east [13-May-24 04:06 PM] flor2081#0000 ah right [13-May-24 04:06 PM] jvaler#0000 in the AFC sheet? that thing is impossible to navigate [13-May-24 04:06 PM] flor2081#0000 no in the old htc one haha [13-May-24 04:06 PM] jvaler#0000 oh lol [13-May-24 04:06 PM] flor2081#0000 thought they wouldnt appreciate it if I did it in an active one [13-May-24 04:06 PM] flor2081#0000 honestly I've got half my bases there but I don't know the planets in antares [13-May-24 04:07 PM] flor2081#0000 I'm always very surprised when my deimos->ant goes so much faster than elon or something [13-May-24 04:09 PM] jvaler#0000 insitor influence... ๐Ÿ˜‘ [13-May-24 04:10 PM] flor2081#0000 or maybe thats just me, I didnt know that adalina was so close to mor either lol [13-May-24 04:10 PM] jvaler#0000 unlike you i am a PROUD antares national {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1239686148784132308/image.png?ex=68148bf2&is=68133a72&hm=ab415d6a8c4dd981acbb3ed9c2f52bf62cde3e348d8604430c3af03ca2d46a0a& [13-May-24 04:10 PM] jvaler#0000 don't mind that boucher base... it's in queue for antares takeover [13-May-24 04:10 PM] jvaler#0000 politics update willing ๐Ÿ™ [13-May-24 04:11 PM] flor2081#0000 i'm pretty much everywhere except benten {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1239686376287637604/image.png?ex=68148c28&is=68133aa8&hm=47747ded0e801378f736bb654b98dfe9b4df4c93329e1b068a512b324f350ebc& [13-May-24 04:11 PM] jvaler#0000 that's spread pretty wide... [13-May-24 04:11 PM] jvaler#0000 how many ships do you have? [13-May-24 04:12 PM] avalock#0000 Vote Antaren no matter Who :Salute: [13-May-24 04:12 PM] flor2081#0000 8 now, but like half of my bases are CAAP/HCC so most supplies are done by rise and rog [13-May-24 04:13 PM] flor2081#0000 and i've been strongly neglecting my adalina/berthier/curie bases, just started them up again yesterday [13-May-24 04:13 PM] jvaler#0000 guh?? [13-May-24 04:14 PM] jvaler#0000 you let your bases die? ๐Ÿ˜ญ [13-May-24 04:14 PM] flor2081#0000 hold on [13-May-24 04:14 PM] flor2081#0000 prepare your heart [13-May-24 04:14 PM] jvaler#0000 TRUE [13-May-24 04:14 PM] jvaler#0000 wait no it's not *that* screenshot is it... [13-May-24 04:14 PM] flor2081#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1239687248706797608/image.png?ex=68148cf8&is=68133b78&hm=0afab16515935fad97550916096857dfd078d900b292ec6e9c7440abdfdc27b4& [13-May-24 04:14 PM] jvaler#0000 oh different thing [13-May-24 04:14 PM] jvaler#0000 still atrocious [13-May-24 04:14 PM] jvaler#0000 wow [13-May-24 04:15 PM] igfloz#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1239687396610674799/image.png?ex=68148d1b&is=68133b9b&hm=73bd8ffdad49dd6a5d8e0faaf257359c2005b8f4c346c54efa9b7a06a467dfd6& [13-May-24 04:15 PM] flor2081#0000 hehe {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1239687418983088140/image.png?ex=68148d20&is=68133ba0&hm=3c06e5282d690c5d986b5fefdcbff889ae072e46fc11644544c9bceb2c53c747& [13-May-24 04:15 PM] flor2081#0000 thats just CX+warehouse ๐Ÿ˜› [13-May-24 04:15 PM] igfloz#0000 yup, thats all I got, lol [13-May-24 04:16 PM] flor2081#0000 oh wait i thought you were talking about my screen [13-May-24 04:16 PM] jvaler#0000 that's antares not castillo [13-May-24 04:16 PM] jvaler#0000 unless you're pointing something else out [13-May-24 04:16 PM] flor2081#0000 am confused [13-May-24 04:16 PM] flor2081#0000 what screenshot were you thinking about? [13-May-24 04:16 PM] igfloz#0000 nah, was just mindlessly comparing my inequalities to the big boys ๐Ÿ˜„ [13-May-24 04:17 PM] flor2081#0000 ah hahah [13-May-24 04:17 PM] jvaler#0000 someone posted a screenshot of FIO with half their bases empty of consumables ๐Ÿ˜ญ i forget who it was and where though [13-May-24 04:17 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 When should you ideally begin repairing buildings? [13-May-24 04:17 PM] flor2081#0000 hm, that couldve been me yes [13-May-24 04:17 PM] flor2081#0000 uh, bit before they reach 33% [13-May-24 04:17 PM] flor2081#0000 i think thats literally the bottom [13-May-24 04:18 PM] flor2081#0000 ideally at around 90 days, or 45 [13-May-24 04:18 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 My Phobos PIO are probably eating eachother by now ๐Ÿ˜‚ [13-May-24 04:18 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I only fill it up once my stock of SIO runs low [13-May-24 04:18 PM] flor2081#0000 but depends on the planet's conditions, it always rounds up so sometimes when you have stuff like TSH it will be best to repair at 30 days instead of 45 [13-May-24 04:18 PM] jvaler#0000 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ELsfw4ii1hQFWDd-BL4JzwqHc-wGVXbJtvAeprv0pZ0/edit#gid=0 {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ELsfw4ii1hQFWDd-BL4JzwqHc-wGVXbJtvAeprv0pZ0/edit PrUn repair guide Guide PrUn building repair guide v1.1, by MoonSugarTravels Welcome to the complete guide on PrUn building repairs. I'll talk you through the building degradation mechanics and repair optimizations, so that hopefully by the end you'll be able to understand the answers to the following common ques... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/NPEAu9X0IcdAHBtj7MH-DwfZJaG0XesdMPBNiTzTHdU/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyLidnZrSXC9O05aWZNvcjKetu5JleK9nblp3iS3tbUpaxHz3cVo2_M6qCcsPVGt1jvzviG41_2kKTRvxGghBU0u1AgkVtTWh4nG8J4PaMffV0f8owmc%3Dw1200-h630-p [13-May-24 04:19 PM] jvaler#0000 this has a calculator to tell you ^ [13-May-24 04:19 PM] flor2081#0000 oh every 60 it says? [13-May-24 04:19 PM] jvaler#0000 depends on the BUI and product [13-May-24 04:20 PM] flor2081#0000 wow, moon put some serious time in that [13-May-24 04:20 PM] jvaler#0000 oh yeah [13-May-24 04:20 PM] jvaler#0000 it's really nice [13-May-24 04:23 PM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/photo-totally-saving-this-gif-13964080 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/photo-totally-saving-this-gif-13964080 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/9XDKz10LXHTomAP_s4yKOIoSNaPgy9CjtDm19_HSmLw/https/media.tenor.com/ihR6j59sdf8AAAAe/photo-totally-saving-this.png [14-May-24 09:29 AM] avalock#0000 gm :MenheraWave: [14-May-24 03:02 PM] avalock#0000 anyone have a corporation for resource extraction i could join :xdd: [14-May-24 03:36 PM] jvaler#0000 like, one that has a corp HQ on a resource extraction planet? [14-May-24 03:36 PM] avalock#0000 yeeee [14-May-24 03:37 PM] avalock#0000 i have a corp for the meme of it but would love something else [14-May-24 03:37 PM] avalock#0000 no hq [14-May-24 03:37 PM] jvaler#0000 HQs aren't cheap ๐Ÿง [14-May-24 03:37 PM] jvaler#0000 i've got most of the mats for it sitting at ANT rn though [14-May-24 03:37 PM] avalock#0000 word [14-May-24 03:38 PM] jvaler#0000 and my corp barely takes in any taxes cause i'm the only one on the planet... [14-May-24 03:38 PM] jvaler#0000 what planet did you have in mind? [14-May-24 03:38 PM] avalock#0000 nascent probably, ALO is my most profitable [14-May-24 03:39 PM] jvaler#0000 hmm [14-May-24 03:40 PM] jvaler#0000 i can see it, but my nascent base's ratios are already perfect for me :/ [14-May-24 03:40 PM] jvaler#0000 if anything i might put it down on ISA when i finally make a base there [14-May-24 03:40 PM] jvaler#0000 but i bet others have a nascent HQ, i'd ask around in UFO or planetary chat maybe [14-May-24 03:43 PM] avalock#0000 o7 [15-May-24 05:49 AM] avalock#0000 good morning [15-May-24 06:25 AM] jvaler#0000 guten morgen [15-May-24 06:36 AM] tanda#0000 Buenos diaz [15-May-24 09:54 AM] .urpalhal#0000 ใŠใฏใ‚ˆใ† [15-May-24 09:57 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 ะ”ะพะฑั€ะพะต ัƒั‚ั€ะพ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’œ [15-May-24 10:06 AM] darkgineer#0000 าšะฐะนั‹ั€ะปั‹ ั‚ะฐาฃ [15-May-24 11:16 AM] flor2081#0000 goeiemorgen [15-May-24 11:19 AM] avalock#0000 :confused_cat: [15-May-24 11:19 AM] avalock#0000 what all this mean [15-May-24 11:21 AM] realharvey#0000 probably hello in a few different languages. [15-May-24 11:22 AM] avalock#0000 ohhh [15-May-24 11:22 AM] avalock#0000 danke {Reactions} โ‰๏ธ [15-May-24 11:33 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s good morning [15-May-24 11:33 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Not sure about the Cyrillic ones [15-May-24 11:34 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 It's all good morning [15-May-24 11:35 AM] igfloz#0000 Bore da i chi gyd [15-May-24 11:36 AM] avalock#0000 i wish i could reply to the reaction [15-May-24 11:37 AM] avalock#0000 @archielvahr iโ€™m what we call in the business a little bit of a rat [15-May-24 11:37 AM] avalock#0000 :ratdance: {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ [15-May-24 02:01 PM] Deleted User#0000 Good evening Vietnam (Antares). [15-May-24 02:02 PM] Deleted User#0000 Actually wow it isn't evening anymore. [15-May-24 02:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It depends where you are in the world I guess [15-May-24 02:25 PM] acramernc#0000 it is not yet evening here [15-May-24 03:15 PM] tanda#0000 It is still early afternoon here [15-May-24 03:24 PM] igfloz#0000 20:24 for me, so I guess evening [15-May-24 04:21 PM] Deleted User#0000 It is now currently night. [15-May-24 04:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ itโ€™s 15:30 here [15-May-24 04:38 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 22:38 here [15-May-24 06:40 PM] avalock#0000 good morning [15-May-24 06:40 PM] avalock#0000 :hiii: [15-May-24 06:43 PM] avalock#0000 itโ€™s 7:41 here, or for my metric friends ~5.46 avatar movies {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฏ (2) [15-May-24 06:47 PM] avalock#0000 my legs are in pain [15-May-24 06:49 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Femtanyl pfp spotted in the wild ๐Ÿคฏ [15-May-24 06:51 PM] avalock#0000 big fan, sheโ€™s fire {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [15-May-24 07:05 PM] darkgineer#0000 Can someone explain, teach me how to read such charts or point me to a guide of sorts? I'm kinda dumb in these ways, *father only taught me to write code*. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1240455132769161286/image.png?ex=6814b51e&is=6813639e&hm=80e7f49ec77982bee5c801805304f53ec639ccf6282925b2123da6fef845de19& [15-May-24 07:06 PM] avalock#0000 you wanna know how candles work? [15-May-24 07:07 PM] darkgineer#0000 *They burn, ain't they?* [15-May-24 07:10 PM] avalock#0000 The green is buying, red is selling, Low - Lowest point something was bought or sold Open - Where the price was at the start of that segment Close - The price was at the close of the segment High - Highest point something was bought or sold the bottom is for volume, it's general buying or selling volume {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1240456237221543996/NAD_BlogInfographic_Candlesticks_Anatomy.png?ex=6814b625&is=681364a5&hm=fdb18c2a6506c37bbfdd2ec4bda2c832865685eba1cb051b1ab18a8eb8e78263& [15-May-24 07:10 PM] avalock#0000 SMA (10) is the simple moving average across the last 10 segments [15-May-24 07:12 PM] avalock#0000 Oh the segment for the candlesticks are like uhhh [15-May-24 07:12 PM] avalock#0000 what you have on the top right [15-May-24 07:12 PM] avalock#0000 so each candle stick is 4 hours worth of trading [15-May-24 07:13 PM] darkgineer#0000 Uh-huh. If green is buying, what does four consecutive green candles on my screenshot mean? In like generic language. [15-May-24 07:14 PM] avalock#0000 the opens were higher than the closes :hehe: [15-May-24 07:17 PM] darkgineer#0000 And what does these thin lines mead? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1240458046031925349/image.png?ex=6814b7d4&is=68136654&hm=40d94992e4ae823647f7ffad3221480c5f8526a00aa78791df088027ec27e206& [15-May-24 07:17 PM] avalock#0000 those are the high and low lines, so where the buying and selling was the like highest in that trade period [15-May-24 07:18 PM] darkgineer#0000 Thank you so much, I'll try to wrap my head around it. [15-May-24 07:19 PM] avalock#0000 :hehe: its weird to explain [15-May-24 07:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I am enajenar I donโ€™t read markets or โ€œcandlesโ€ just make things go boom {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’œ [15-May-24 08:27 PM] avalock#0000 I do stock stuff :Agony: [16-May-24 06:29 AM] avalock#0000 good morning {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘‹ [16-May-24 06:29 AM] avalock#0000 :hiii::hiii2::hiii3: [16-May-24 09:30 AM] avalock#0000 i think this is my last aluminum mine expansion for a bit, then its saving time for ship parts [16-May-24 09:30 AM] avalock#0000 :0_think: is it possible to make a contract with yourself for budgeting [16-May-24 09:38 AM] sidepipe#0000 I donโ€™t think so - are you just trying to save a certain amount for ship parts? [16-May-24 09:40 AM] avalock#0000 yeeee [16-May-24 09:41 AM] sidepipe#0000 I usually just track it in a Google sheet or something like that: bank account - saved for ship = available cash [16-May-24 09:43 AM] realharvey#0000 You can put up a very cheap buy order for a product. Money will be subtracted and nobody will ever fill that [16-May-24 09:44 AM] sidepipe#0000 Also, if you have an estimate of how much you can save per week, I could do a 0% loan so you pay back about that amount per week. Up to you though ๐Ÿ™‚ [16-May-24 09:47 AM] avalock#0000 :giggle: i have unconditional fear of loans [16-May-24 09:48 AM] sidepipe#0000 Nothing wrong with that ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-May-24 09:50 AM] sidepipe#0000 I was the same when I started out tbh [16-May-24 09:50 AM] sidepipe#0000 Itโ€™s hard to tell how much you can afford to borrow early on when you donโ€™t have reliable cashflow [16-May-24 09:52 AM] sidepipe#0000 But the offerโ€™s always open if you change your mind / need a ship fast ๐Ÿ™‚ [16-May-24 09:53 AM] avalock#0000 yeeeee i gotta see what i need first mostly and go from there [16-May-24 09:53 AM] sidepipe#0000 Do you know how to upgrade ships & such? [16-May-24 09:55 AM] avalock#0000 yeeeee, iโ€™m thinking of doing a like step by step process, fuel saving engine + wcb the rest build on later [16-May-24 09:55 AM] sidepipe#0000 Thatโ€™s a good plan. Upgrading to LHP is well worth the money later on as well. I actually still need to do that on two of my ships [16-May-24 09:56 AM] avalock#0000 i got a naming convention using angels for ship class :WICKED: [16-May-24 09:56 AM] avalock#0000 starts at angel, then archangel [16-May-24 09:57 AM] sidepipe#0000 what comes after archangel? [16-May-24 09:57 AM] avalock#0000 principality class [16-May-24 09:57 AM] sidepipe#0000 Got it ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-May-24 09:57 AM] sidepipe#0000 All my ships are horrible puns on commodity names [16-May-24 09:58 AM] sidepipe#0000 Nice to CL you. DW about it. No way in HAL [16-May-24 09:59 AM] avalock#0000 :giggle: [16-May-24 10:01 AM] realharvey#0000 Lol I like that [16-May-24 10:24 AM] avalock#0000 it looks like for now: FSE, LFE, and a WCB [16-May-24 10:24 AM] avalock#0000 with some BHP and SSC [16-May-24 10:24 AM] realharvey#0000 go with LHP instead of BHP [16-May-24 10:25 AM] realharvey#0000 LHP is in almost all cases better than BHP in the current ship meta [16-May-24 10:26 AM] avalock#0000 yeah i just wanted to have small changes on the stuff i wanted first :hehe: [16-May-24 10:31 AM] realharvey#0000 You shouldn't upgrade a ship in smaller steps [16-May-24 10:32 AM] realharvey#0000 You'll waste material this way unfortunately [16-May-24 10:32 AM] realharvey#0000 no materials gets refunded when upgrading [16-May-24 10:34 AM] avalock#0000 then i guess its wait time [16-May-24 10:48 AM] avalock#0000 :PepeLa: ah i have too many overals [16-May-24 10:48 AM] avalock#0000 my fellow rats are well clothed [16-May-24 11:34 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Mine was โ€œBelfast freighterโ€ lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [16-May-24 11:34 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I need to change it now [16-May-24 11:35 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Since the space army is no more [16-May-24 11:39 AM] sidepipe#0000 Gonna keep with the fallout theme? [16-May-24 11:40 AM] avalock#0000 i just imagine โ€œup the raโ€ or something painted on it [16-May-24 11:44 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Oh Jesus ๐Ÿ˜‚ I wasnโ€™t that bad [16-May-24 11:45 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Probably, vertibird hauler or something [16-May-24 11:46 AM] avalock#0000 i would be :heh: [16-May-24 11:47 AM] avalock#0000 the last thursday of every month a local group sings in a pub [16-May-24 11:47 AM] avalock#0000 and i know nearly every word [16-May-24 11:47 AM] avalock#0000 :giggle: [16-May-24 06:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 ACF Orion, ACF Eternity, ACF Autumn and my fourth was going to be ACF Leviathan before it got canned. [16-May-24 06:47 PM] jvaler#0000 oh this is amazing {Reactions} โค๏ธ [16-May-24 06:47 PM] Deleted User#0000 As for a class name, idk, the Procrastination class? [16-May-24 06:50 PM] Deleted User#0000 Why you delete? [16-May-24 06:51 PM] jvaler#0000 mine are too dumb to post lol. idk why i did [16-May-24 06:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 Nah they look fine. [16-May-24 06:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 Could 100% be worse. [16-May-24 06:53 PM] jvaler#0000 well i'm not as talented as nano at that [16-May-24 06:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 Talented and Nano in the same sentence is now hereby forbidden. [16-May-24 06:53 PM] jvaler#0000 duh, my bad [16-May-24 06:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 He is a most wanted Antares terrorist. [16-May-24 06:56 PM] jvaler#0000 offering a lifetime supply of KOM for their arrest [16-May-24 06:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 Voting rights to the civilian who apprehends. [16-May-24 06:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 Automatic promotion to Class-4 Citizen. [16-May-24 06:57 PM] jvaler#0000 lmao [16-May-24 06:59 PM] sidepipe#0000 i haven't built any more ships yet because I've run out of puns ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-May-24 06:59 PM] sidepipe#0000 the most recent one was 'The RAT king' and even that one is barely a pun [16-May-24 06:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 That works. [16-May-24 06:59 PM] jvaler#0000 what a STL {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [16-May-24 07:00 PM] jvaler#0000 AL good [16-May-24 07:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 ALO there? [16-May-24 07:01 PM] jvaler#0000 yess [16-May-24 07:01 PM] jvaler#0000 wait [16-May-24 07:01 PM] jvaler#0000 "nice to CL you" should be "nice to CU" {Reactions} ๐Ÿง  [16-May-24 07:01 PM] jvaler#0000 cause copper [16-May-24 07:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 I was originally trying to limit myself to the things I make [16-May-24 07:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 no good DDT puns though [16-May-24 07:02 PM] jvaler#0000 ah [16-May-24 07:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 I will pay a bounty if someone thinks of one [16-May-24 07:02 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm trying to think of something for NA but it's kinda awkward [16-May-24 07:02 PM] jvaler#0000 nah... uh... [16-May-24 07:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 NA way? [16-May-24 07:02 PM] jvaler#0000 something like that [16-May-24 07:02 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿง [16-May-24 07:03 PM] jvaler#0000 good to C you [16-May-24 07:03 PM] jvaler#0000 wait no that's already used [16-May-24 07:03 PM] jvaler#0000 damn [16-May-24 07:03 PM] Deleted User#0000 Isn't DDT a wrestling move? [16-May-24 07:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 aBSElutely not [16-May-24 07:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think so [16-May-24 07:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 i wouldn't know ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-May-24 07:04 PM] Deleted User#0000 Holy shit. [16-May-24 07:04 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1240817253528895628/image.png?ex=6814b4de&is=6813635e&hm=19be47319f0c4b24cd7133d66826198ce929c769a160fa95bf34f9ea291dd005& [16-May-24 07:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s a head lock I believe??? [16-May-24 07:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 It would appear so. [16-May-24 07:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 Headlock into just.. like.. falling on the floor, I think? [16-May-24 07:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 I don't know, wrestling really isn't my area. [16-May-24 07:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 sounds like wrestling [16-May-24 07:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 or growing up with siblings ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-May-24 07:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/future-shock-ddt-drew-mc-intyre-the-chosen-one-wwe-future-shock-gif-19830026 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/future-shock-ddt-drew-mc-intyre-the-chosen-one-wwe-future-shock-gif-19830026 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/iw_d4Cxj0eUJaxEs4UXufwD7E7waFwRAKYvj-5isOYM/https/media.tenor.com/hjA8w68fyXIAAAAe/future-shock-ddt-drew-mc-intyre.png [16-May-24 07:06 PM] Deleted User#0000 Aggressive hugging. [16-May-24 07:09 PM] jvaler#0000 don't FAL SEA i told you so TRU [16-May-24 07:09 PM] jvaler#0000 idk [16-May-24 07:09 PM] jvaler#0000 WAL something something [16-May-24 07:10 PM] sidepipe#0000 I'm gonna have to build so many ships ๐Ÿ˜‚ [16-May-24 07:10 PM] avalock#0000 RATs that's it [16-May-24 07:10 PM] avalock#0000 :RatJamming: [16-May-24 07:11 PM] jvaler#0000 RAT, singular ๐Ÿ‘‘ ๐Ÿ€ [16-May-24 07:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 https://tenor.com/view/ratte-spin-gif-1490630681513437739 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/ratte-spin-gif-1490630681513437739 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/tSMiAdqzKdpwsvnvUc2gWNYK32EGSa-OAuD2-xnsG7E/https/media.tenor.com/FK_ItQboKisAAAAe/ratte-spin.png [16-May-24 07:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 I wonder if you can use emojis in ship names [16-May-24 07:12 PM] avalock#0000 I am simply a rat queen :RatgeCute: {Reactions} ๐Ÿ€ ๐Ÿ‘‘ [16-May-24 07:12 PM] sidepipe#0000 no emojis in ship names ๐Ÿ˜ฆ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1240819322620739714/image.png?ex=6814b6cb&is=6813654b&hm=7da2ed08e734043bd3e22a1af2e634bdadd95b37d5cff70d03a399211e02d516& [16-May-24 07:16 PM] avalock#0000 I'll show them an Illegal argument [18-May-24 12:42 PM] avalock#0000 good morning [18-May-24 01:02 PM] tanda#0000 good morning! your BBH are ready, but stuck on Nike currently [18-May-24 01:19 PM] avalock#0000 awesome :woopsNote1: [18-May-24 01:26 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™ll be on in a bit, iโ€™m doing some chores rn [18-May-24 01:44 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 are you expanding your bases? [18-May-24 01:44 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 cause i have a bunch of spare bfabs you can have [18-May-24 01:47 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1241462207867261049/image.png?ex=68151347&is=6813c1c7&hm=9d73a9470ded249516de5ba312e417e8e82956e0f588bee0c33c8603d631723c& [18-May-24 01:48 PM] avalock#0000 Ooo, lemme get the chart up [18-May-24 01:49 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 because if you need stuff that i either have/make i can give you them for free/heavy discount [18-May-24 01:52 PM] avalock#0000 I could use like 4 BTA from that list [18-May-24 01:59 PM] avalock#0000 alrighty, btw do you want anything for the BBH? [18-May-24 01:59 PM] tanda#0000 no, having more ALO available on Deimos is my payment! [18-May-24 01:59 PM] tanda#0000 just look kindly on my LM ads every once in a while [18-May-24 01:59 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: sounds good [18-May-24 02:01 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 send a contract for 15, you can use the rest when you expand [18-May-24 02:02 PM] avalock#0000 @uncle_leslie69 sent [18-May-24 02:02 PM] avalock#0000 :3 [18-May-24 02:03 PM] avalock#0000 WAIT fuck I wrote BBH in the preamble :KEKW: [18-May-24 02:04 PM] avalock#0000 Oh I could also use 24 BDE @uncle_leslie69 [18-May-24 02:04 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 send it [18-May-24 02:06 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 there you go [18-May-24 02:06 PM] avalock#0000 danke [18-May-24 02:06 PM] avalock#0000 did you read the preamble at all [18-May-24 02:06 PM] avalock#0000 :KEKW: [18-May-24 02:12 PM] tanda#0000 accepted contract, just give me a couple days to move the material. One ship is headed to Moria, and one is heading to Nascent [18-May-24 05:39 PM] avalock#0000 :Agony: @tanda so problem, theres no free plots [18-May-24 05:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 Good morning Antares. [18-May-24 05:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 Damn, 7 minutes early. [18-May-24 05:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 Any true Antares patriots? {Reactions} antares_initiative [18-May-24 05:53 PM] tanda#0000 oh right [18-May-24 05:53 PM] tanda#0000 I'm an idiot [18-May-24 05:54 PM] tanda#0000 well, you could pivot to doing an FEO extraction base on Vulcan? [18-May-24 06:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 GOOOoOOD MAURNIN' Anatres [18-May-24 06:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-good-morning-vietnam-robin-williams-gif-5379373 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-good-morning-vietnam-robin-williams-gif-5379373 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/0gppdlzEzX9pGM1tnGcNUYyQMe6a7h_n6bLvQqXfmDk/https/media.tenor.com/vuVoXwdLwMgAAAAe/vietnam-good-morning-vietnam.png [18-May-24 06:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 What should Friendly Metal's next venture capital be? [18-May-24 06:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 you could branch out into Angry Metals ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [18-May-24 06:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok so lead, arsenic, etc [18-May-24 06:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 I'll be burning carbon on SE-110d next. Right about now seems like a good time to make my own carbon [18-May-24 06:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 you need a base on Asbestos Lead Asbestos {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [18-May-24 06:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Uranium, Plutonium [18-May-24 06:06 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 space openheimer [18-May-24 06:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Just putting the sun in more places [18-May-24 06:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 I disagree with the idea of radioactivity. You're telling me a rock makes you sick? Grow up. [18-May-24 06:07 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-feline-meme-funny-gif-8764472215214951735 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-feline-meme-funny-gif-8764472215214951735 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/WEBs7BrnNhiJi9_ZTpVEBYKSVEkCRg9RqbRJS7Foar8/https/media.tenor.com/eaGpCyerDTcAAAAe/cat-kitty.png [18-May-24 06:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpsons-radioactive-nuclear-gif-23772553 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpsons-radioactive-nuclear-gif-23772553 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/pjKI4ieSzqRxcUer0yynGCthwOLxC5zblZH8m66ecw8/https/media.tenor.com/rQgbjLTQuoEAAAAe/homer-simpsons.png [18-May-24 06:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Should I make more metals on Vulcan? [18-May-24 06:11 PM] avalock#0000 if only engineers could still use them :pensivebread: [18-May-24 06:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 OOH I know, I should mine HAL just for the meme ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} โ€ผ๏ธ (2) [18-May-24 06:12 PM] sidepipe#0000 you're welcome to join me on YK-005d ๐Ÿ˜„ [18-May-24 06:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/b5b728c4-3970-46d5-9447-031f7a9608f5 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/b5b728c4-3970-46d5-9447-031f7a9608f5 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [18-May-24 06:17 PM] sidepipe#0000 just be careful of the traded volume - unless you plan to use the HAL yourself, you'll drive the price down really quickly {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1241530128270364672/image.png?ex=6814a9c9&is=68135849&hm=0c87563ff07719094d0cdd305c295f9e4df8ae045a1e08535038c17c2b5ab68c& [18-May-24 06:17 PM] sidepipe#0000 that's why I started making CL a few months ago [18-May-24 06:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I will be **THE** HAL producer [18-May-24 06:18 PM] sidepipe#0000 I guess it's either driving the price down or setting the price, depending on your perspective ๐Ÿ˜„ [18-May-24 06:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 looks like I would only be 6th for HAL production ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [18-May-24 06:20 PM] sidepipe#0000 all you'd need is two bases [18-May-24 06:20 PM] sidepipe#0000 and like 15 wcbs to move it all [18-May-24 06:21 PM] sidepipe#0000 oh nvm [18-May-24 06:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 orrrrr......... become a BLASPHEMER [18-May-24 06:21 PM] sidepipe#0000 I just looked at the board [18-May-24 06:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1241531300851224677/Screenshot_2024-05-18_172156.png?ex=6814aae0&is=68135960&hm=5c83fa83ca756055c4dcf0b971b9982dcbd649594a35b90dcd62bdb1f8f4c8e9& [18-May-24 06:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 This would put me at #1 [18-May-24 06:24 PM] sidepipe#0000 oh god 1800t per day [18-May-24 06:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 one WCB a day ๐Ÿ™‚ [18-May-24 06:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and only 3 mil ๐Ÿ™‚ [18-May-24 06:24 PM] sidepipe#0000 i'm both in awe and terrified [18-May-24 06:25 PM] sidepipe#0000 heck, if you do that I'll close my HAL mine and just buy from you ๐Ÿ˜„ [18-May-24 06:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I don't have 3 mil tho ๐Ÿฅบ [18-May-24 06:25 PM] tanda#0000 heck, you guys talking in here like this makes me want to drop a CHP base to process the HAL [18-May-24 06:26 PM] Deleted User#0000 Make all the bases. [18-May-24 06:26 PM] tanda#0000 that is the plan [18-May-24 06:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 look approval for Hal's HAL mine [18-May-24 06:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 If you have every base doing everything at once you are literally too big to fail. [18-May-24 06:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 Allegedly. [18-May-24 06:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 i might. we could work something out [18-May-24 06:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 I'm not saying it's a good idea, but I want to see what happens ๐Ÿ˜„ [18-May-24 06:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I will be the HAL [18-May-24 06:32 PM] Deleted User#0000 This is the start of Big HAL. [18-May-24 06:32 PM] Deleted User#0000 I forsee no unintended consequences. [18-May-24 06:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 That start of my ~~supervillain era~~ big stonks era ๐Ÿ“ˆ [18-May-24 06:44 PM] jvaler#0000 that plan has 3 permits ๐Ÿ˜จ what are u endorsing [18-May-24 06:44 PM] jvaler#0000 snap out of it australis [18-May-24 06:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคซ [18-May-24 06:44 PM] Deleted User#0000 HUH? [18-May-24 06:44 PM] Deleted User#0000 I was lacking this crucial piece of information. [18-May-24 06:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคซ๐Ÿคซ๐Ÿคซ [18-May-24 06:54 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 quarry junctions finally living up to the name [18-May-24 06:54 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1241539365877059634/image.png?ex=6814b263&is=681360e3&hm=b05dd4f941790a15c0a1accdad4e629c1971646ff2786418d3a378693956cb24& [18-May-24 06:55 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 it's no longer big pharma, it's big chlora [18-May-24 06:55 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 https://tenor.com/view/get-back-to-work-gif-1126008344771276194 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/get-back-to-work-gif-1126008344771276194 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/h3yxcJnXnyzoRWMbckIKd7aCvK9NyDLr8-qDaCzYrz4/https/media.tenor.com/D6Bin6w3raIAAAAe/get-back-to-work.png [18-May-24 07:26 PM] avalock#0000 @tanda I will still figure out a way to send Aluminum to Deimos, maybe I rent a warhouse and keep it stocked there [18-May-24 07:54 PM] tanda#0000 Honestly I'm working on getting a WCB in place before long, so I'll be reasonably able to buy from Nascent [18-May-24 08:32 PM] Deleted User#0000 Helldivers with the DOOM Eternal OST goes hard. {Reactions} doom (2) [19-May-24 12:05 AM] .urpalhal#0000 What is the APEX representation center? [19-May-24 12:41 AM] nyanism#0000 Its pretty much flexing your wallet, show peeps how much money you have left over and spend em on showing it, by building the APEX stuff [19-May-24 12:44 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh lol [19-May-24 12:44 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I've got 0 dollars to flex on that ish [19-May-24 02:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So uhhhh [19-May-24 02:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Apparently I put out another ad for super premium goodsโ€ฆโ€ฆ.. [19-May-24 02:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 1800/u FLX ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [19-May-24 02:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And someone accepted while I was out and aboutโ€ฆ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฏ (2) [19-May-24 02:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Anywho itโ€™s not a problem bc they didnโ€™t full fil [19-May-24 02:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But man someone needs to take my ad posting power away when Iโ€™m in a rush {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [21-May-24 03:28 AM] avalock#0000 Good morning {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘‹ (3) [21-May-24 07:49 AM] jvaler#0000 gm [21-May-24 02:07 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Gonna start a wee thread, just some food for thought [21-May-24 02:33 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Future Projects [21-May-24 10:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So I don't have full pioneers yeah? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1242683938821111858/Screenshot_2024-05-21_214106.png?ex=6814e7da&is=6813965a&hm=0684cf83a29c570f6038f550a28d555c997c685983cca728eb7b93bd481ff85b& [21-May-24 10:43 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, you're missing around 220 people [21-May-24 10:43 PM] tanda#0000 421 are filled from the unemployment reserve [21-May-24 10:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 :INTSL_Aqua_panic: [21-May-24 10:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Coooooome to me workers! [21-May-24 10:44 PM] tanda#0000 you're gonna need POPR, lol [21-May-24 10:44 PM] tanda#0000 almost 4 days [21-May-24 10:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Unrelated [21-May-24 10:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I like the one technician {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1242684707939024946/Screenshot_2024-05-21_214446.png?ex=6814e892&is=68139712&hm=4c1cfc689a3ec8a07af1d59649346ef286b55f6733ef3a540643c4d433633c77& [21-May-24 10:45 PM] tanda#0000 I struggle to see how he got there [21-May-24 10:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeahhhhh [21-May-24 10:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 He is just L I V I N [21-May-24 10:46 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 That's me... ๐Ÿ˜… Don't ask questions. [21-May-24 10:46 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Building a nuke... Erm just eating your foods. ๐Ÿ˜… ๐Ÿคฃ [21-May-24 10:47 PM] tanda#0000 heck, who employs 230 odd settlers on that planet [21-May-24 10:48 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Who do you I have making the thing... ๐Ÿ˜… [21-May-24 10:49 PM] tanda#0000 oh, okay [21-May-24 10:49 PM] tanda#0000 just detonate that on the side of the planet away from my base, yeah? [21-May-24 10:52 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 It's not meant for the planet your on... Its a special delivery ๐Ÿšš for another planet. ๐Ÿ˜… [21-May-24 11:42 PM] jvaler#0000 you think they're twins? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1242699196914466816/image.png?ex=6814f610&is=6813a490&hm=49e34aff332d9e206f834a4d9fb4c443d250e594576c9c136d73b5a12632f427& [21-May-24 11:44 PM] jvaler#0000 been here since before i came here, so i assume they popped up back when hermes was being used as the early universe's first HE3 tap [21-May-24 11:44 PM] jvaler#0000 why or how i have no idea. the planet had ~~no POPI~~ only an SST* before i settled [22-May-24 12:17 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Definitely [22-May-24 10:24 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Why no connection here? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1242860649411772528/Screenshot_2024-05-22_092334.png?ex=6814e3ae&is=6813922e&hm=878de91fe6222b05691bfc57713ac478b8a87d283563147a438a0fe90858119a& [22-May-24 10:24 AM] .urpalhal#0000 it would be sooo nice [22-May-24 01:25 PM] jvaler#0000 ikr ๐Ÿ˜ญ [22-May-24 01:38 PM] Deleted User#0000 If only we could pool resources to make hyperlanes. [22-May-24 01:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 Or.. to really change it up... [22-May-24 01:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 Randomly changing lanes. [22-May-24 01:40 PM] flor2081#0000 hahah how fun would it be if it just said "ha sike, we're removing this one, good luck going mor<->hrt" {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1242910034325930045/image.png?ex=681511ac&is=6813c02c&hm=552c50787ff845bf871beae214074dc995de73ec722c3644c61abf1ed714a7ad& [22-May-24 01:41 PM] Deleted User#0000 Any ships caught in transit are just deleted. [22-May-24 01:41 PM] Deleted User#0000 Hyperlanes work on a zero strike policy. [22-May-24 01:41 PM] Deleted User#0000 (similiar to ROG's DNPC) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [22-May-24 02:23 PM] avalock#0000 ship at 99% jump as the hyperlane gets deleted: :pikaO: [22-May-24 02:24 PM] avalock#0000 :Modcheck: where go now? [22-May-24 09:09 PM] evany.#0000 thats straight up a bad ass idea [22-May-24 09:09 PM] evany.#0000 make your own jump gates [22-May-24 09:51 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 More stuff to use rfabs/afabs for [22-May-24 09:52 PM] tanda#0000 there would be huge projects to just force lanes directly between CX's. and I would go in on trying to contribute [23-May-24 10:22 AM] Deleted User#0000 It'd be nice. [23-May-24 10:23 AM] Deleted User#0000 Have enough bases and don't really care for many more at the moment? Dump some into an inevitable massive-scale infrastructure project. [23-May-24 10:23 AM] Deleted User#0000 I'm still holding out hope for terraforming. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [23-May-24 10:23 AM] Deleted User#0000 It'd be nice to gradually (but at a massive expense) reduce planets down to triple greens and add fertility. [23-May-24 10:24 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 if terraforming is possible by the next reset I plan to completely theme and dedicate my company (and maybe a corp) to just focusing that. idk why I have such a draw to that, it just sounds so cool [23-May-24 10:25 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'm thinking "Kynes Imperial Terraforming" or something for a company name [23-May-24 10:39 AM] realharvey#0000 Count me in. Making the world a better place.org [23-May-24 11:25 AM] avalock#0000 Hack the planet [23-May-24 11:26 AM] flor2081#0000 is that a reference to Dune I see? ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [23-May-24 11:28 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 haven't watched the most recent movie but I read it like 4 times and Kynes is my favorite [23-May-24 11:28 AM] flor2081#0000 you read the first book 4 times you mean? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [23-May-24 11:28 AM] flor2081#0000 cause there's like 20 books right {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [23-May-24 11:29 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 the epilogue at the end of the book about the ecology of Dune is just one of the craziest and coolest worldbuilding details I've ever encountered [23-May-24 11:29 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 nah just one, lol [23-May-24 11:29 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 it's one of those series where I just kinda pretend that it's just he one, lol [23-May-24 11:30 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I love sci-fi that explores interesting questions without actually trying to "answer" them. Build a whole world/scenario around a "what if" then just explore that space. After the first book he goes on to answer to many of the questions explored in Dune and his answers kinda sucked imo [23-May-24 11:31 AM] flor2081#0000 hahah [23-May-24 11:31 AM] flor2081#0000 I'm reading the first book but I've kindof laid it aside for a while, but I really like it so far [23-May-24 11:31 AM] flor2081#0000 I've indeed heard that it gets very weird after like book 4 [23-May-24 11:54 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 yeah.... the first one is probably my favorite book though [23-May-24 11:55 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 more on topic question though ๐Ÿ˜… do you have C for sale outside of AA projects? KAWAs main supplier was on vacation for over a week and we're suffering, lol [23-May-24 12:49 PM] flor2081#0000 was that a question for me? because I don't have/make any C hahah [23-May-24 07:25 PM] evany.#0000 i would know because iasked xflqr too [23-May-24 07:25 PM] evany.#0000 i'm fairly confident i've harassed most people here about it [23-May-24 07:25 PM] evany.#0000 but i haz a plan be the change you want to see [24-May-24 08:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 When do I get an 8th queue slot? [24-May-24 08:18 PM] tanda#0000 `Levels 5, 10, 13, 16, 18 and 20 grant you additional queue slots to make managing your production queues easier.` [24-May-24 08:18 PM] tanda#0000 I don't know when that turns into 8, but that's what the handbook says [24-May-24 08:18 PM] jvaler#0000 https://pct.fnar.net/hq/ {Embed} https://pct.fnar.net/hq/ HQ - PrUn Community Derived Information Community derived data & formulas from the game Prosperous Universe [24-May-24 08:19 PM] jvaler#0000 7 -> 9 queue slots is at HQ level 10 {Reactions} โค๏ธ [24-May-24 08:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 guess I should speed run to level 10 then [24-May-24 08:22 PM] jvaler#0000 for planning https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jkegblmogOYU1ZHHwBA5afe1VVxaR_T2IX_5i7UdYDk/edit {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jkegblmogOYU1ZHHwBA5afe1VVxaR_T2IX_5i7UdYDk/edit Prosperous Universe HQ Upgrade Costs Upgrade Costs Prosperous Universe HQ Upgrade Costs HQ 2 โ†’ 3 Materials,Cost Qty,Ticker,IC1,AI1,CI1,NC1 6,BBH,$14,340,$12,900,$13,740,$13,200 4,BDE,$9,160,$8,960,$9,080,$9,160 4,BSE,$6,200,$5,640,$6,120,$6,160 2,BTA,$2,900,$2,200,$2,260,$2,480 12,MCG,$386,$337,$380,$346 4,TRU,$1,574,$1,200,$1,280,... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/s8JR2kDeu4vsLzWTgHubO-VkCa0LECTdz6BIKPzxvd0/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyJxczpQF2XHDF7Gax3FmARdpPTwli3Ly8pGNgTaiaWkKDTTAdzf1CF8ihuUJHox7PgQqvThXdSkSwOVV6GD5UIubxRqf6qh0N7-QLNn3l5pOOnidzGV%3Dw1200-h630-p {Reactions} โค๏ธ [24-May-24 08:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i'll be at lvl 7 here soon [24-May-24 08:23 PM] jvaler#0000 that sheet seems to not be working atm... [24-May-24 08:23 PM] jvaler#0000 hm [24-May-24 08:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and wrong? [24-May-24 08:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 bc 5->6 should have LFABs and such [24-May-24 08:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i'll use the one in PrUn planner [24-May-24 08:25 PM] jvaler#0000 it's just offset by 1 level [24-May-24 08:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh gotcha [24-May-24 08:25 PM] jvaler#0000 which is weird but [24-May-24 08:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah is weird but if you know the conventio.... i guess it works? [24-May-24 08:26 PM] jvaler#0000 oh FIO is just down {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1243736820512985098/image.png?ex=6814c7ed&is=6813766d&hm=99a4f1196d44bdac0f23fafaca4c11e545d6cb58a8811ad6cbd699cf59ea8818& [24-May-24 08:26 PM] jvaler#0000 the CSV imports aren't working {Reactions} ๐Ÿฅบ [24-May-24 08:32 PM] tanda#0000 man, why is FIO so unreliable? It works great but not all the time [24-May-24 09:21 PM] jvaler#0000 it's been pretty reliable for the past few months, at least ever since they got past those constant issues back in october(?). hasn't been anything in the FIO server status channel in PCT for a few months [25-May-24 01:09 AM] akyantor#0000 Made a schoolboy error yesterday. Didn't properly read a logistics contract and assumed the drop off was the market... only to realise it was YK-266... where I have no reason to go. :S [25-May-24 01:09 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Well [25-May-24 01:10 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Now you have a reason [25-May-24 01:11 AM] akyantor#0000 Ah well, lost use of that ship for a couple of days. ๐Ÿ™‚ [25-May-24 11:56 AM] chobbycock#0000 Is there anyone that could help me out getting my first 2k2k upgrade? [25-May-24 11:57 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Generally itโ€™s better to upgrade to the WCB the 1k volume 3k weight one [25-May-24 11:57 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s drastically cheaper [25-May-24 11:58 AM] chobbycock#0000 I was planning on doing one high volume and one high weight, but the volume one requires a large crew quarters [25-May-24 11:58 AM] chobbycock#0000 So I thought a 2k2k ight be a good compromise [25-May-24 11:58 AM] tanda#0000 I don't think there's a good use case for high volume in ANT space right now anyway [25-May-24 11:58 AM] tanda#0000 certainly not as your second ship [25-May-24 11:59 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I think that a 1k3k will be sufficient for now [25-May-24 11:59 AM] .urpalhal#0000 For both [25-May-24 12:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 For the 2k2k you will also need to get a crew quarters and a bunch of emitters [25-May-24 12:00 PM] chobbycock#0000 I'm tryna set up a fuel base and also thinking about farming, so I thought high volume would be better for that [25-May-24 12:01 PM] chobbycock#0000 So a 1k3k is the cheapest and easiet to do then? [25-May-24 12:07 PM] jvaler#0000 3kt/1km^3* the 1kt/3km^3 is the most expensive [25-May-24 12:10 PM] chobbycock#0000 ah yea, thats the one I meant [25-May-24 12:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Sorry I gots it backwards ๐Ÿ˜‚ [25-May-24 12:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s the WCB one that fits a lot of weight [25-May-24 01:56 PM] avalock#0000 it's probably annoying to do it like this but :smug: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1244001067604381788/image.png?ex=68151546&is=6813c3c6&hm=6755660857559a518988edc0409611acd2d012fd163f5ec270ee9235c7b3162a& [25-May-24 01:56 PM] tanda#0000 you might try tiering it out a bit? I'd go for 500's before a bunch of 100's [25-May-24 01:56 PM] tanda#0000 so maybe like 3 100's and 2 500's [25-May-24 01:57 PM] avalock#0000 Yeaaaah, I was thinking that, maybe for the next couple of orders [26-May-24 01:26 PM] avalock#0000 :mmmmYea: and not even full production rn {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1244355913075261591/image.png?ex=68150e40&is=6813bcc0&hm=bb6ac7ad5a961b9dd2bcd885c967e7c28006b8ab4f9180af2dc4dcedd1a42100& [26-May-24 01:38 PM] tanda#0000 hell yeah [27-May-24 08:42 AM] akyantor#0000 I see they've moved into testing for the next release. It seems to have been in the works for a while, struggling to read through the various posts about it. ๐Ÿ™‚ [27-May-24 01:37 PM] avalock#0000 the temptation to buy this just to flip it... 1k LST @ 80 AIC/u {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1244721227457626153/image.png?ex=681510fa&is=6813bf7a&hm=1ec78301b403031026c7317def313af9296d05f71fabb70a51acab1954283c41& [27-May-24 01:38 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, some people make a LOT of LST there [27-May-24 01:39 PM] akyantor#0000 I guess it's quiet heavy, so a pain to move about? [27-May-24 01:39 PM] avalock#0000 ~2.7 tons, not the heaviest tbh [27-May-24 01:39 PM] jvaler#0000 same as AL [27-May-24 01:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s not light tho [27-May-24 01:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But doable [27-May-24 01:39 PM] tanda#0000 I actually was nearly recruited for running a full LST base on Nike a few months back [27-May-24 01:39 PM] jvaler#0000 definitely should have a WCB for it [27-May-24 01:40 PM] jvaler#0000 but that's why nike is such a good construction planet, the LST is right on-site [27-May-24 01:40 PM] jvaler#0000 so you only have to import 1 heavy thing, AL [27-May-24 01:40 PM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, seems like a great fit [27-May-24 01:41 PM] avalock#0000 :Giggle: that's why I'm tempted to flip it on LM [27-May-24 01:45 PM] avalock#0000 like if most of the buying volume is aiming at 100-115 on AI1, with people buyiung @ 150 - 170 (high 180, low 130 over 7 days), You could probably aim 130 LST/u and make ~62.5% profit in LM {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1244723283224432772/image.png?ex=681512e4&is=6813c164&hm=7fe0e3b957b4abe36b728446adcd6da8fe8d15bb4f8ba12df7f7c968f59df690& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1244723283463635024/image.png?ex=681512e4&is=6813c164&hm=bfce9c4de09931f6e3ec20cdd907a3e897716d5780bdd9df8c47ff1324edad6c& [27-May-24 01:46 PM] avalock#0000 I'll let the offer vibe out for people doing construction tho, I don't want people to miss an opportunity [27-May-24 01:48 PM] tanda#0000 I actually already bought one of his offers, lol [27-May-24 01:50 PM] avalock#0000 :GrabbyHands: mine then [27-May-24 05:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I bought one too [28-May-24 05:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 @Project Associate @Project Member Good evening all! It has come to my realisation that the time for me to leave has come and gone, and as such I'll be handing the title of Interim Administrator over to the wonderful @jvaler . As for what this means in practice, probably not much in the meantime, although ADI will be at the full control of Jvaler should they deem anything necessary. It has been a real pleasure these past months and I hope you all continue to grow Antares in my stead. :antares_initiative: {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘‹ (11) ๐Ÿซก (12) antares_initiative (6) [28-May-24 05:53 PM] jvaler#0000 i promise not to do anything rash :P [28-May-24 05:53 PM] evany.#0000 you found a poor sap crazy enough to take over in your stead [28-May-24 05:53 PM] evany.#0000 thanks australis for your service [28-May-24 05:53 PM] evany.#0000 sorry jvaler; for your service {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† (3) [28-May-24 05:53 PM] jvaler#0000 lmfao [28-May-24 05:54 PM] igfloz#0000 so long ....and thanks for all the fish sir ! [28-May-24 05:55 PM] seacilia#0000 Take care! [28-May-24 05:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Spread moderated democracy to the far reaches of the galaxy solider ๐Ÿซก:HelldiversII: [28-May-24 06:24 PM] jvaler#0000 i've updated the role colors to be more distinct from one another, any objections/suggestions? [28-May-24 06:25 PM] jvaler#0000 feels a bit wonky having the dark orange be lower now, but i think that'll go away after time [28-May-24 06:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Uh change it to brown [28-May-24 06:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ?? [28-May-24 06:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Aka really dark brown [28-May-24 06:27 PM] jvaler#0000 change associate to that? [28-May-24 06:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah? [28-May-24 06:27 PM] jvaler#0000 like that? [28-May-24 06:27 PM] jvaler#0000 ehh wait that's hard to read [28-May-24 06:27 PM] jvaler#0000 little lighter [28-May-24 06:28 PM] jvaler#0000 hm [28-May-24 06:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Colors are hard ๐Ÿซค [28-May-24 06:28 PM] jvaler#0000 think that's good now? [28-May-24 06:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [28-May-24 06:29 PM] jvaler#0000 sweet [28-May-24 06:38 PM] jvaler#0000 additionally i've fixed the default noti settings FYI in case you liked them the way there were, however crazy that may be {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1245159208891060285/image.png?ex=6814aea1&is=68135d21&hm=66cd7ccfb542470596cc8097e152bab12d8365a4b5748cdd42e9dde1d4143348& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™Œ [28-May-24 06:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I want all the updates [28-May-24 06:38 PM] sidepipe#0000 my phone thanks you ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-May-24 06:38 PM] jvaler#0000 lolol [28-May-24 06:38 PM] sidepipe#0000 wait, was I always this red? [28-May-24 06:39 PM] jvaler#0000 changed around the role colors to be more distinct [28-May-24 06:39 PM] jvaler#0000 but i'm realizing coordinator is really close to admin now [28-May-24 06:40 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 test {Reactions} ๐Ÿ—ฃ๏ธ (3) [28-May-24 06:40 PM] jvaler#0000 there that's better. bots don't need to pop out [28-May-24 06:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yerrow is berry nice [28-May-24 06:41 PM] sidepipe#0000 any big plans now that you've ascended to the throne? [28-May-24 06:42 PM] jvaler#0000 what i told australis: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1245160296017039522/image.png?ex=6814afa4&is=68135e24&hm=375031af5f8a0cbe4b3d8912ae776e4a4d1afab249bf52a88bdeeb3df8c5adb3& [28-May-24 06:42 PM] avalock#0000 :RatJamming: we become jvaler's material slaves [28-May-24 06:43 PM] jvaler#0000 woah i'm not RiseofFilth yet {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฌ ๐Ÿ‡พ ๐Ÿ‡ช ๐Ÿ‡น ๐Ÿ˜‰ [28-May-24 06:43 PM] avalock#0000 lmaoo [28-May-24 06:51 PM] sidepipe#0000 it's okay, you can tell us the truth now that australis has left ๐Ÿ˜› [28-May-24 06:52 PM] sidepipe#0000 also, now I feel old ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-May-24 06:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s ok Iโ€™ll be starting my PhD in the fall [28-May-24 06:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 congrats to both of you for starting college (in different ways) ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-May-24 06:56 PM] sidepipe#0000 or I guess - re-starting college? [28-May-24 06:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well I never left? [28-May-24 06:56 PM] sidepipe#0000 congrats for choosing to continue college? [28-May-24 06:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Shore ๐Ÿ˜‚ [28-May-24 06:56 PM] sidepipe#0000 just take the congrats ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-May-24 06:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol idk of 9+ years of college is congrats but thanks [28-May-24 06:58 PM] sidepipe#0000 spoken like a true PhD student ๐Ÿ˜› [28-May-24 06:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [28-May-24 06:59 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 yellow goes hard [28-May-24 06:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I โœจ*almost*โœจ did a MD PhD program [28-May-24 06:59 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i likey [28-May-24 06:59 PM] avalock#0000 I'm going to forever get certs {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [28-May-24 07:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 sounds like... networking? [28-May-24 07:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 a friend of mine has an ungodly number of cisco certs [28-May-24 07:01 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 only thing i ever ask is can we please clear up #internal-offers i asked Australis ages ago but he must have forgotten me ๐Ÿคฃ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [28-May-24 07:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh yeah that would be nice [28-May-24 07:02 PM] avalock#0000 Audio engineering -> Dante [Audio video over IP] and now I'm doing a bunch of networking/hacking/pentesting stuff :giggle: [28-May-24 07:02 PM] jvaler#0000 YES thank you [28-May-24 07:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I tried removing every message of mine that wasnโ€™t prices of my goods [28-May-24 07:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 anything audio or network related is way too big brain for me, but it seems super interesting! I just do spreadsheets at work ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-May-24 07:04 PM] avalock#0000 oh, I'm very very small brain [28-May-24 07:04 PM] jvaler#0000 oh geez you should have just reposted your listing lmao [28-May-24 07:04 PM] avalock#0000 I just like breaking things [28-May-24 07:05 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 thank you man, it killing my hapiness ๐Ÿ˜‚ [28-May-24 07:06 PM] avalock#0000 like irl i went a charisma build {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [28-May-24 07:51 PM] tanda#0000 Congratulations on your ascension! Australis, you will be missed! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ผ [28-May-24 11:11 PM] evany.#0000 you mean expired cisco certs ?! [29-May-24 02:16 AM] akyantor#0000 That's a lot more colourful. Congrats and commiserations to Jvaler. ๐Ÿ™‚ [29-May-24 02:37 AM] flor2081#0000 ooh, we're yellow now [29-May-24 06:47 AM] jvaler#0000 what an upset, i know [29-May-24 06:55 AM] jvaler#0000 i promise not to tyrant too hard [29-May-24 03:17 PM] evany.#0000 Careful, we are all old enough to remember when googles mantra was do no evil [29-May-24 03:19 PM] akyantor#0000 I look forward to the #internal-offers search results being masked by a wall of barely relevant adverts. ๐Ÿ˜› [29-May-24 04:07 PM] jvaler#0000 i just cleaned out the ads in there D: [29-May-24 04:37 PM] jvaler#0000 wait those weren't really ads, just chatter [29-May-24 05:37 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Don't remind me. ๐Ÿ˜… [29-May-24 06:42 PM] jvaler#0000 @copiousdude as the resident morian, do you know what the neo charter starter planets are? need to know for planet roles [29-May-24 06:42 PM] jvaler#0000 @cptcoleslaw same question for you for castillo-ito [29-May-24 06:44 PM] acramernc#0000 we're putting non antares planets into ADI, what has the world come to [29-May-24 06:45 PM] jvaler#0000 well ADI welcomes all antarian converts, so it's a necessary evil [29-May-24 06:46 PM] jvaler#0000 (australis already had a few outside faction planets but it was an incomplete list) [29-May-24 06:51 PM] .shiva.#0000 is it worth the effort to set them all up? planet roles don't seem to get used much at all on UFO [29-May-24 06:55 PM] jvaler#0000 people seem to want them here, they're purely visual. my main issue with UFO planet roles is all the dead channels [29-May-24 06:55 PM] jvaler#0000 but we're not doing planet channels here [29-May-24 06:59 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 yeah I like planet roles better than planet channels. could be used to tag people if you're looking for something on a specific planet [29-May-24 06:59 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I originally came from harmonia or some carbon planet weast of Antares... ๐Ÿ˜… I forget the name right now. I'm not gonna log into the game to remember cause it's probably some other planet name. ๐Ÿ˜… ๐Ÿคฃ {Reactions} sus [29-May-24 07:00 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 starter planets in CI space are (i think) Katoa, Proxion, Etherwind, and... gibson? [29-May-24 07:01 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I think it's promitor... ๐Ÿ˜… [29-May-24 07:06 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Yeah it's promitor. ๐Ÿ˜… I came from promitor and settled on nike. [29-May-24 07:07 PM] jvaler#0000 etherwind is a starter? inch resting [29-May-24 07:07 PM] jvaler#0000 ty [29-May-24 07:18 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 yeah, it was one of the starters added to the list after the start of the universe. It's not even technically in CI territory, which is why it can have 0 taxes [29-May-24 07:19 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 also why it's the ultimate move in the Antares takeover to win governorship there then change the currency of taxes to AIC on a CI starter ๐Ÿ˜ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ผ (2) [29-May-24 07:20 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 but yeah, etherwind is a really good but really weird starter [29-May-24 07:30 PM] copiousdude#0000 Montem and Vallis for sure [29-May-24 07:33 PM] jvaler#0000 those are the only 2 starters? ๐Ÿง [29-May-24 07:34 PM] copiousdude#0000 I think there is one, maybe two more, but I don't KNOW them. [29-May-24 07:34 PM] jvaler#0000 ah [29-May-24 07:34 PM] jvaler#0000 i'll ask around then, ty {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [29-May-24 07:34 PM] copiousdude#0000 Sorry, that one got me at first too. There is a list of the starters floating around. [29-May-24 07:35 PM] jvaler#0000 hmm [29-May-24 07:35 PM] copiousdude#0000 Someone posted it in the last few weeks on the official or UFO discord, it gets posted occasionally [29-May-24 07:36 PM] jvaler#0000 wait i actually don't remember the antares starters myself lmfao. ik there's deimos and phobos... but is harmonia actually a starter? [29-May-24 07:36 PM] jvaler#0000 surely [29-May-24 07:36 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 hmmm, might just be 2? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1245536359133872261/image.png?ex=6814bc60&is=68136ae0&hm=8f7466b5ac4749b57cf9140b48b05e44de25352e4687fa51b7c4dda0863560cb& [29-May-24 07:37 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 that's from the old tutorial video though, so it might have had some added later, like Etherwind was [29-May-24 07:38 PM] tanda#0000 Harmonia I believe is actually a starter. Lot of newbies on that planet [29-May-24 07:38 PM] jvaler#0000 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UUmjz8XNgLJ6y_XJa_hn7JPc9FWftqR2Lx9McZi-X-0/edit#gid=0 {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UUmjz8XNgLJ6y_XJa_hn7JPc9FWftqR2Lx9McZi-X-0/edit PU Community Start Demand Starter planets and default companies Check the bottom of the sheet for other pages if you want more advanced information. Starter Planet,Distance from CX,Victualler,Carbon farmer,Metallurgist Faction,Planet notes,Suitability,Demand,Long,Suitability,Demand,Long,Suitability,Demand,Long NEO Charte... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/3_QsnbomqMts-BkZ8M02ELqQ11TDCmRSEFY4SABdU0c/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyJ67jPbMeWrhjugaD2_b73uNZqiWYHZdRPF-0LwdazuHTmwRQlek1-eslgre5hHuB2yQS7jpDs392xStTFVHVidr5EU9_brdoIbW-cN4IW8w15gI7yK%3Dw1200-h630-p {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (3) [29-May-24 07:38 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 yeah it is [29-May-24 07:38 PM] jvaler#0000 found it! thx @copiousdude {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [29-May-24 07:38 PM] jvaler#0000 verdant? that's surprising [29-May-24 07:38 PM] jvaler#0000 but makes sense, victualler start wouldn't make sense there otherwise [29-May-24 07:38 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Umbra I thought might be a starter, Nemesis surprises me. Why does nobody choose Nemesis, lol [29-May-24 07:39 PM] jvaler#0000 ikr??? nemesis has incredible fertility it's crazy [29-May-24 07:39 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 location I guess [29-May-24 07:40 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 better fertility than Prox but a few jumps further from CX [29-May-24 07:40 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 but the H2O concentration... [29-May-24 07:40 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Nemesis is great [29-May-24 07:40 PM] jvaler#0000 FRMs are so easy on logi though it really shouldn't matter. and it's not like you're worrying about distance to CX on the start screen afaik [29-May-24 07:44 PM] jvaler#0000 well even if i know the starters the bot seems broke so i can't get ranks working ๐Ÿ˜ญ [29-May-24 07:44 PM] jvaler#0000 maybe i'll ask their discord [29-May-24 07:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 sounds like we have some evangalism we need to do [29-May-24 07:47 PM] tanda#0000 wow, that's... heartless [29-May-24 07:48 PM] jvaler#0000 but bentenites don't have hearts [29-May-24 07:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 its full of love โค๏ธ just spreading the love of Antares [29-May-24 07:50 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 listen, I love Antares, but I hate to admit that it's supply of fertile planets is... lacking [29-May-24 07:50 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 let Benten and Hortus feed Antares to do cooler things, lol [29-May-24 07:51 PM] jvaler#0000 hmph [29-May-24 07:51 PM] jvaler#0000 we have harmonia and demeter [29-May-24 07:51 PM] evany.#0000 harmonia is definitely starter [29-May-24 07:52 PM] jvaler#0000 it certainly is a starter [29-May-24 07:52 PM] jvaler#0000 a planet, even [29-May-24 07:52 PM] evany.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/sassy-pants-girl-arms-crossed-gif-13953076657186967098 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sassy-pants-girl-arms-crossed-gif-13953076657186967098 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ub1D7Ai7jNc9ngZOEDa8sPur-JVGijt8YROmoWGojUk/https/media.tenor.com/waNJSwtsjjoAAAAe/sassy-pants.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [29-May-24 07:52 PM] tanda#0000 as a planet, Harmonia certainly is one [29-May-24 07:54 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Harmonia, Proxion, Nemesis, Pyrgos... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1245540901292347442/image.png?ex=6814c09b&is=68136f1b&hm=03b5130b240f21bbaad69665d06ea59c87d2b2bc0b7988d06c9929436b8fc2ac& [29-May-24 07:55 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Nemesis and Pyrgos also have really good H2O supply [29-May-24 07:58 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1245541691935428669/image.png?ex=6814c158&is=68136fd8&hm=02cc5c351e8ca7ac26c14be9a2af9954da48c75c16d18cfee9279c1cd464bee1& [29-May-24 07:58 PM] jvaler#0000 i guess pyrgos is like your demeter {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [29-May-24 07:58 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 oh yeah, Poseidon is also basically Benten... [29-May-24 07:58 PM] jvaler#0000 but better ๐Ÿ˜ฟ {Reactions} ๐Ÿซ‚ [29-May-24 08:00 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I didn't realize Demeter is in the KI area though. there's a lot of good stuff around there [29-May-24 08:01 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 KAWA used to get a *ton* of H from KI-401d, and PiBoy uses that whole system for INS now [29-May-24 08:01 PM] jvaler#0000 oh yeah [29-May-24 08:02 PM] jvaler#0000 and hermes is there ๐Ÿ˜ผ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [29-May-24 08:02 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 and your pairing with Hermes is great. That region is good [29-May-24 08:02 PM] jvaler#0000 but it's so lonely ๐Ÿ˜ญ [29-May-24 08:02 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 that whole system is undervalued, I think now that you and some other bigger players are developing it we'll see more movement there eventually [29-May-24 08:03 PM] jvaler#0000 we'll see... have yet to get any hermes converts from demeter planet chat [29-May-24 08:03 PM] evany.#0000 what do you do out there [29-May-24 08:03 PM] jvaler#0000 food industries [29-May-24 08:04 PM] jvaler#0000 personally it's my KOM & COF source. i grow HER on demeter [29-May-24 08:04 PM] jvaler#0000 yk if there's crazies who are out there using lemuria for agri i don't see why we can't make phobos agri :P {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1245543451609665567/image.png?ex=6814c2fb&is=6813717b&hm=694b22306c10a294d08a19b633602dfaf4c4fa5804441c88a904171e3e24b8c8& [29-May-24 08:06 PM] evany.#0000 ah yeah [30-May-24 05:35 AM] realharvey#0000 maybe they use it for Hdyroponic Farms? Fertility doesnt matter then [30-May-24 07:19 AM] jvaler#0000 seems like an odd location then, it's really far away [30-May-24 07:47 AM] flor2081#0000 could be making HER or something, almost requires no shipping [30-May-24 09:11 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 People will fly a long way for an all green planet {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [30-May-24 09:43 AM] copiousdude#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1245749347359129610/image0.gif?ex=6814d9fd&is=6813887d&hm=14371e9bb56993d540fb35208665845c47a0d94a1bca407d6d00321e782415cf& [30-May-24 09:43 AM] jvaler#0000 but -15% fertility ๐Ÿ˜ญ [30-May-24 09:43 AM] jvaler#0000 there's better options [30-May-24 09:43 AM] copiousdude#0000 I mean yeah unless you are already using those for something else or more of the same. [30-May-24 09:44 AM] copiousdude#0000 That's what happens to me with Chemistry. [30-May-24 09:44 AM] copiousdude#0000 I'm being forced onto the less desirable planets now. [30-May-24 09:45 AM] jvaler#0000 moonsugartravels (MSMW) hasn't exhausted their options though... [30-May-24 09:45 AM] copiousdude#0000 Oh my rep rival? [30-May-24 09:45 AM] copiousdude#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1245750052610113566/image0.gif?ex=6814daa5&is=68138925&hm=25f6175a6196187a42fe970c0d260c1af2ccd9889ef2e87ee2165a8e4dc84adf& [30-May-24 10:30 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m making way too much LST :KEKW: honestly [30-May-24 10:34 AM] jvaler#0000 lmao [30-May-24 10:34 AM] jvaler#0000 LST.AI1 is up to 180/u from 140/u [30-May-24 10:34 AM] jvaler#0000 should be good for u ๐Ÿง [30-May-24 10:35 AM] avalock#0000 yeah, itโ€™ll help the WCB fund [30-May-24 10:37 AM] jvaler#0000 wait they have a base on chu and it's also agri and just as bad as lemuria ๐Ÿ˜ญ i think insitor being the worst faction is affecting these people's brains... [30-May-24 10:38 AM] sidepipe#0000 Wait, youโ€™re mining LST without a WCB? [30-May-24 10:38 AM] avalock#0000 :anieHeh: yeah [30-May-24 10:39 AM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/let-her-cook-gif-3479906673053749087 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/let-her-cook-gif-3479906673053749087 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ildGGSOTjBRrCxtkMzKKwa7MbpFoU9_vhj860v-GQF0/https/media.tenor.com/MEscrorhT18AAAAe/let-her-cook.png [30-May-24 10:39 AM] sidepipe#0000 You all terrify me sometimes ๐Ÿ˜‚ [30-May-24 10:40 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m selling directly to LM mostly [30-May-24 10:41 AM] sidepipe#0000 Makes sense - is this on Nike? I resupply with 2 ships and one is almost empty on the return, so if you ever need some LST shipped not in a hurry let me know. I can take it back to ANT [30-May-24 10:41 AM] sidepipe#0000 For free. I hate flying empty ๐Ÿ˜„ [30-May-24 10:41 AM] avalock#0000 yeeee p much and noted [30-May-24 10:42 AM] avalock#0000 ill place a contract for that just lmk a price >0 {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [30-May-24 10:44 AM] sidepipe#0000 Then Iโ€™ll just charge you for the fuel ๐Ÿ™‚ [30-May-24 10:44 AM] avalock#0000 sounds good [30-May-24 10:44 AM] sidepipe#0000 So like, 1k tops? Iโ€™ll let you know when I have the exact number [30-May-24 10:45 AM] avalock#0000 yeeeee whatever in $$$-$$$$ should be fine [30-May-24 10:45 AM] sidepipe#0000 $$$$ is my new favorite unit of measure ๐Ÿ˜„ [30-May-24 10:46 AM] avalock#0000 :giggle: [30-May-24 11:02 AM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿฅฒ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1245769343594401832/IMG_5263.png?ex=6814ec9c&is=68139b1c&hm=879c40184ffe8ce508aab3bf9bd9c8a78acb8e309c92b8782d8ac623dece251f& [30-May-24 11:02 AM] jvaler#0000 self assigned planet roles will have to wait [30-May-24 11:10 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 rip [30-May-24 11:23 AM] acramernc#0000 could look into other bots, i'm in a server that uses this bot for roles and it's pretty slick at least from a user perspective https://probot.io/features/self-assignable-role [30-May-24 11:25 AM] jvaler#0000 from coordinator-general {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1245775121667461140/image.png?ex=6814f1fe&is=6813a07e&hm=5dd90b81bae02b5cef82bb2549c711b96ae8cd45d42e6e8dbc36b2b6fc788190& [30-May-24 11:26 AM] jvaler#0000 if i add other bots i'd like to remove the old bots, but dyno is already set up for some stuff by australis and i don't feel like replacing all that atm [30-May-24 11:43 AM] acramernc#0000 yeah, makes sense [30-May-24 11:49 AM] flor2081#0000 sorry what are you trying that's different from reaction roles? [30-May-24 11:49 AM] flor2081#0000 i thought reaction roles would do the trick [30-May-24 11:51 AM] jvaler#0000 they would, but it'd be super cluttered [30-May-24 11:51 AM] jvaler#0000 with 2 dozen planets that's a lot of buttons [30-May-24 11:51 AM] jvaler#0000 better to be able to just type out a name you want [30-May-24 11:51 AM] jvaler#0000 `?rank Hephaestus` [30-May-24 11:52 AM] flor2081#0000 ah, yeah i guess [30-May-24 11:52 AM] flor2081#0000 gtu has it like this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1245781805789876295/image.png?ex=6814f838&is=6813a6b8&hm=2029196dda5c4760c61d84284fa6472958fbd9ffdbf508f17466e2023f9dbd75& [30-May-24 11:58 AM] jvaler#0000 wanna avoid that lmao [30-May-24 11:58 AM] jvaler#0000 UFO does the rank system too [30-May-24 12:00 PM] flor2081#0000 yeah but that clutters a LOT more than this [30-May-24 12:00 PM] flor2081#0000 and here you can immediately see who/how many poeple have a role, by just looking at the reactions [30-May-24 12:15 PM] jvaler#0000 no? the channels are clutter, but the system isn't [30-May-24 12:15 PM] flor2081#0000 i mean the constant spam of /rank [30-May-24 12:16 PM] avalock#0000 creating the :minee: channel where i just talk about rocks and how good they taste [30-May-24 05:20 PM] jvaler#0000 that's just a bot command all contained to one channel... which we already have #bot-spam [30-May-24 05:29 PM] jvaler#0000 which i assume most people immediately mute anyways [30-May-24 06:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Rocks are yummy [30-May-24 06:44 PM] avalock#0000 true [30-May-24 06:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m getting more rocks [30-May-24 06:45 PM] avalock#0000 ooo what flavor [30-May-24 06:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ALO and HAL [30-May-24 06:47 PM] avalock#0000 good flavors uwu [30-May-24 07:42 PM] tanda#0000 ROCK FLAVOR [30-May-24 08:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So uh rock salt and bauxite or salt and nutty flavors [30-May-24 08:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 [30-May-24 08:55 PM] avalock#0000 :woopsNote1: [30-May-24 08:55 PM] avalock#0000 sounds very [30-May-24 08:55 PM] avalock#0000 omnom [30-May-24 08:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Very omnom indeed [30-May-24 08:58 PM] tanda#0000 ooh maybe some of them are pop rocks [30-May-24 09:02 PM] avalock#0000 om*cracklepopcracklecrackle*nom [30-May-24 09:03 PM] avalock#0000 what even are poprocks [30-May-24 09:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Candy that crackles and pops when you put it in your mouth [30-May-24 09:03 PM] avalock#0000 ye but like [30-May-24 09:03 PM] avalock#0000 what is it [30-May-24 09:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Sugar crystals with CO2 trapped inside [30-May-24 09:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I believe [30-May-24 09:04 PM] avalock#0000 oh, worm? [30-May-24 09:04 PM] avalock#0000 that's cool [30-May-24 09:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Does it exist outside of America? [30-May-24 09:05 PM] avalock#0000 idk, I'm american [30-May-24 09:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 # PSA non Americans [30-May-24 09:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Do you have pop rocks? [30-May-24 09:12 PM] tanda#0000 yes, apparently it is distributed outside of the US [30-May-24 09:12 PM] tanda#0000 not sure how far [30-May-24 09:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Wow ๐Ÿคฏ [30-May-24 09:27 PM] avalock#0000 imma be honest tho [30-May-24 09:27 PM] avalock#0000 poprocks D tier candy [30-May-24 09:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 1000% [30-May-24 09:28 PM] sidepipe#0000 finally got back to this, sorry about the wait. got 3000t/1000m at Nike for 1k AIC if you need to ship some stone back to ANT ๐Ÿ™‚ [30-May-24 09:28 PM] avalock#0000 like non-popping pop rocks way better [30-May-24 09:30 PM] avalock#0000 howโ€™s 1k LST? [30-May-24 09:30 PM] sidepipe#0000 if it fits, it ships ๐Ÿ˜„ [30-May-24 09:30 PM] avalock#0000 i think thats like 2.730 tons [30-May-24 09:31 PM] sidepipe#0000 sounds perfect, I can fill the rest up with fabs [30-May-24 09:32 PM] avalock#0000 i cant make the contract :Agony: [30-May-24 09:32 PM] avalock#0000 mobile phone doesnโ€™t allow me to apply the correct template [30-May-24 09:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 ooooh yeah I remember that problem [30-May-24 09:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 then just send it with a long-ish deadline when you can - I'll be back in 1-2 days for resupply part 2, so I can grab it then ๐Ÿ™‚ [30-May-24 09:33 PM] avalock#0000 sounds good! [30-May-24 09:34 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™ll have more to move then maybe :giggle: [30-May-24 09:34 PM] avalock#0000 glad no one talked about this psychic damaging phrase [30-May-24 09:36 PM] sidepipe#0000 I just assumed they would turn back into normal rocks ๐Ÿ˜„ [30-May-24 09:38 PM] avalock#0000 yeah i just donโ€™t think before i do stuff [30-May-24 09:39 PM] sidepipe#0000 Thinking is probably overrated tbh [30-May-24 09:40 PM] avalock#0000 tru [30-May-24 09:40 PM] avalock#0000 i just like [30-May-24 09:40 PM] avalock#0000 cold earth mine hot eat the rock {Reactions} ๐Ÿชจ [30-May-24 09:40 PM] avalock#0000 you feel me? [30-May-24 10:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 what is up with the CX price of flux..... [30-May-24 10:01 PM] jvaler#0000 someone did a funny... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1245935160122413086/image.png?ex=6814de4a&is=68138cca&hm=32ff4174900ed0af4fa4ca07a19f93b16ab2ad9814dedef91ec7be7314b842af& [30-May-24 10:01 PM] tanda#0000 someone just bought everything today wtf [30-May-24 10:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 that's sad [30-May-24 10:02 PM] jvaler#0000 6.6mil vol [30-May-24 10:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 what are they going to do with that much flux? [30-May-24 10:04 PM] jvaler#0000 dragon's hoard [30-May-24 10:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 aight [30-May-24 10:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lets go raid the dragon's layer guys [30-May-24 10:09 PM] tanda#0000 as an emergency measure, I have 1k FLX on Deimos right now [30-May-24 10:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I feel like I am slowly going to become a horder goblin [30-May-24 10:11 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1245937783785132103/image.png?ex=6814e0bc&is=68138f3c&hm=7007c292c302d1aac2f1024360c332b07ed55f3e0de449f789c0b985078c25a5& [30-May-24 10:12 PM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/thanos-dreaditrunfromit-infinitywar-destinyarrivesallthesame-barexam-gif-12210891 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/thanos-dreaditrunfromit-infinitywar-destinyarrivesallthesame-barexam-gif-12210891 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/EOVw5rmdELyVDQxSTrTiuBCNfmy5e4sAHeLhBRRYjQg/https/media.tenor.com/vFWV3cK78PIAAAAe/thanos-dreaditrunfromit.png [30-May-24 10:13 PM] jvaler#0000 lowstrife's inventory is awe inspiring [30-May-24 10:14 PM] jvaler#0000 https://discord.com/channels/350171287785701388/350171288267915277/1243259555572482058 [30-May-24 10:14 PM] jvaler#0000 https://discord.com/channels/350171287785701388/350171288267915277/1245142724189880393 [30-May-24 10:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 :crying: [30-May-24 10:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I can see why they can be a bank [30-May-24 10:15 PM] jvaler#0000 mr moria market maker [30-May-24 10:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 fr [30-May-24 10:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Dis is all I really care about tho {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1245939122720473088/Screenshot_2024-05-30_211702.png?ex=6814e1fb&is=6813907b&hm=dd488bde3a3fb669bb9addf16983ca99757297a1d8112eab532bbd028978fc39& [30-May-24 10:17 PM] jvaler#0000 who needs wealth when we have salt [30-May-24 10:17 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‹ [30-May-24 10:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Just a weathly medeval man over here [30-May-24 10:18 PM] jvaler#0000 wait real [30-May-24 10:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have **all** the flavored foods [30-May-24 10:19 PM] jvaler#0000 all? [30-May-24 10:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well I has salt [30-May-24 10:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so yes all [30-May-24 10:19 PM] jvaler#0000 why doesn't FIM have HAL in the recipe... molp plz fix [30-May-24 10:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 brb I go complain {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™ [30-May-24 10:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 adding HAL should make all foods more better RAT, FIM, MEA [30-May-24 10:21 PM] jvaler#0000 gives u more RAT per RAT, like the TRN PT recipe vs SFK PT [30-May-24 10:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 exactly [30-May-24 10:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I also think Tc+PG or GL should make MED or something [30-May-24 10:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 bc Tc is used in nuclear medicine [30-May-24 10:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and there should be U and Pu and you should be able to make He3 from it [30-May-24 10:31 PM] jvaler#0000 GL recipes needs rebalancing ๐Ÿ˜ฟ the SEN recipe is stupid expensive and the FLX recipe is stupid slow [30-May-24 10:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Glass is pretty easy to make irl [30-May-24 10:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 there should be boron in game and then B+SIO should make glass [30-May-24 10:34 PM] jvaler#0000 well it's a basic kit... but maybe that could be incorporated into medical-y POPI [30-May-24 10:34 PM] jvaler#0000 even less uses for NA ๐Ÿ˜ญ [30-May-24 10:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well you would still need Sodalime eg NA [30-May-24 10:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so NA + B + SIO for super fast glass [30-May-24 10:35 PM] jvaler#0000 ooh [30-May-24 10:35 PM] jvaler#0000 okay i like it [30-May-24 10:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and borosilcate glasses are way more usefull than normal glasses [30-May-24 10:36 PM] jvaler#0000 wait is this the same boron {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1245944036670439464/image.png?ex=6814e68e&is=6813950e&hm=4506c654d13b4887f789345295d8c3ad64771aba5e6b5f1e6c54497ef50e27c7& [30-May-24 10:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 thats what Pyrex and tempered glas are made of [30-May-24 10:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 look perfect [30-May-24 10:37 PM] evany.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/salty-raining-salt-salt-bae-nusret-g%C3%B6k%C3%A7e-gif-15973939 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/salty-raining-salt-salt-bae-nusret-g%C3%B6k%C3%A7e-gif-15973939 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/3pJgA3HnicHdDIqnlYnsRFg4gwKZhZOqBIDzuDsRvsE/https/media.tenor.com/xs-Ybj9XnCEAAAAe/salty-raining-salt.png [30-May-24 10:38 PM] jvaler#0000 even have borosilicate too {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1245944355517370419/image.png?ex=6814e6da&is=6813955a&hm=80797f936b025f431c9784a4d0165eea3cac382c217d292be78f9d295b4f8aed& [30-May-24 10:38 PM] jvaler#0000 but AML ๐Ÿง [30-May-24 10:38 PM] jvaler#0000 that's gotta be a pretty generous GL recipe to justify that [30-May-24 10:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i am confusion.... [30-May-24 10:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 or we could make it BOR + NA+SIO+ALO for glass [30-May-24 10:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 bc I think ALO is in that glass too... [30-May-24 10:50 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm not a chemistry/material science nerd ๐Ÿ˜” [30-May-24 10:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 its ok ๐Ÿ™‚ I am [30-May-24 10:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I am a material scienctist [30-May-24 10:52 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm promoting you to ADI chief scientist {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1245947943744176188/image.png?ex=6814ea32&is=681398b2&hm=72dd0be76182f88ed4a044c3284e6177abf3ac9c44bb2ce661608eb390017abd& [30-May-24 10:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿซก [30-May-24 10:53 PM] jvaler#0000 really? that's so cool [30-May-24 10:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah doing my PhD growing crystals [30-May-24 10:53 PM] jvaler#0000 ooh [30-May-24 10:53 PM] jvaler#0000 what kind of crystals? [30-May-24 10:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ~~meth~~ HAL basically ๐Ÿ˜ [30-May-24 10:55 PM] jvaler#0000 this explains everything... [30-May-24 10:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well its NaI not NaCL [30-May-24 10:56 PM] jvaler#0000 iodine? [30-May-24 10:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yepe [30-May-24 10:56 PM] jvaler#0000 what's that do? [30-May-24 10:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLWQ5cZEkiE&t=6s {Embed} University of Tennessee, Knoxville https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLWQ5cZEkiE&start=6 Scintillation Materials Research Center https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/210almSuRsIANxDJwYGVcgNktbvcBsbPeb0bJ2KWyJ4/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/hLWQ5cZEkiE/maxresdefault.jpg [30-May-24 10:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 they glow [30-May-24 10:57 PM] jvaler#0000 justification enough [30-May-24 10:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 they're used to detect radiation. So they can be used in like PET scanners and CT scanners, but also for general radiation detection [30-May-24 10:59 PM] jvaler#0000 ohh okay [31-May-24 06:30 AM] acramernc#0000 ooh that's cool, I bought a LuAG crystal a while back that someone had faceted, still trying to figure out what to use it for [31-May-24 08:37 AM] .urpalhal#0000 That one glows too! [31-May-24 08:39 AM] acramernc#0000 indeed, it does [31-May-24 08:40 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Those are some fun garnets to have [31-May-24 09:50 AM] avalock#0000 gm :3 {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘‹ [31-May-24 12:36 PM] jvaler#0000 @evany. me and @sidepipe are discussing ways to help early-midgame players get their hands on their first WCB. we'd like to know what was your experience with schaitr like? specifically the wait time [31-May-24 12:41 PM] evany.#0000 timely ! I requested may 14 he acknowledged may 14 he told me 9days he said may 24 ready for pickup (10 days) so fairly close [31-May-24 12:42 PM] jvaler#0000 oh wow okay, way quicker than i thought [31-May-24 12:42 PM] jvaler#0000 and faster than rise, given their current backlog... [31-May-24 12:42 PM] jvaler#0000 hmm [31-May-24 12:42 PM] jvaler#0000 ty [31-May-24 12:44 PM] evany.#0000 one thing i'd add for people in that position is get your SSC and LHP over to heph FIRST. [31-May-24 12:44 PM] evany.#0000 you cannot fit the WCB parts + that in a single starter ship [31-May-24 12:45 PM] evany.#0000 in my case i ended up having to bring a ship back to pick up the other parts to deliver them to shipyard and then i was able to upgrade [31-May-24 12:45 PM] evany.#0000 so if there are others getting their first WCB - i'd encourage you to deliver the other parts first on your trip back from moria so your not waiting the extra ~16 hours [31-May-24 12:52 PM] igfloz#0000 @evany. what was the cost for parts + ship build if you can give an indications of a goal wallet required [31-May-24 12:54 PM] evany.#0000 he does deals for 650k for WCB kit > Standard (WCB+LFE @ 470k) - these are the basic parts required to upgrade to a WCB-capable ship > Enhanced (WCB+LFE+MSL+LFL @ 650k) - the added fuel tanks provide longer range for your ship > > https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1202257500213366804/1202257500213366804 [31-May-24 12:57 PM] evany.#0000 the common advice and something i found form tinkering is to install an LHP for a 10% faster ship too. so total components you will need to source by yourself: (these are the components you should pre-stage on heph too) LHP 68 SSC 32 the components provided are the: (these are provided in his kit) LFE 1 LFL 1 MSL 1 WCB 1 [31-May-24 01:09 PM] igfloz#0000 Awesome sauce, TY ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-May-24 01:15 PM] igfloz#0000 @jvaler is it possible the above information from evayoo could be collated and pinned in this channel ? Might be a useful resource for future new players. [31-May-24 01:16 PM] jvaler#0000 we're working on something, but this information saves me some research ty! [31-May-24 01:16 PM] igfloz#0000 nice [31-May-24 01:25 PM] jvaler#0000 [31-May-24 01:25 PM] jvaler#0000 @Project Associate @Project Member ^ [31-May-24 01:26 PM] jvaler#0000 inch resting results [31-May-24 01:26 PM] jvaler#0000 oh, related poll: [31-May-24 01:28 PM] jvaler#0000 [31-May-24 01:29 PM] nyanism#0000 the question is direct toward the grant and not WCB right? lol, just to be sure for the 2nd part [31-May-24 01:30 PM] jvaler#0000 correct, second poll is just asking if you have recieved the 750k AGP grant. but only answer if you answered 0 to the first poll [31-May-24 01:31 PM] jvaler#0000 @sidepipe interesting numbers over here {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [31-May-24 01:44 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I've bought 14 upgrade kits from shaitr now to distribute to new KAWA members, super responsive and fast to deliver even though I requested some different parts [31-May-24 01:45 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 note: shaitr's kits don't include LHP or SSC. if anyone here is upgrading starters I think that KAWA could supply those for cheap [31-May-24 01:46 PM] jvaler#0000 ooh okay so they do allow pre-buying kits for mass distribution? [31-May-24 01:48 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 yeah, still a strict rule of one kit per player and within 180d though, so I keep a list for them to make sure nobody intentionally or accidentally double dips [31-May-24 01:49 PM] sidepipe#0000 I think we could definitely accommodate that [31-May-24 01:50 PM] jvaler#0000 100% [31-May-24 02:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™d take a grant to get me other ship upgraded ๐Ÿ˜‚ [31-May-24 02:25 PM] sidepipe#0000 Whoever responded that they havenโ€™t gotten a grant but would like one - you should ping jvaler or myself so we can see if youโ€™re eligible ๐Ÿ™‚ [31-May-24 02:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‰๐Ÿ˜‰๐Ÿ˜‰ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ (2) [31-May-24 02:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Technically speaking, I am eligible bc I have never gotten a grant ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ™๐Ÿฅบ [31-May-24 02:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And Iโ€™m only 138 days old [31-May-24 02:32 PM] flor2081#0000 could also just make a project to do that yourself in this corp, it's pretty doable if you've got multiple people on the same planet [31-May-24 02:32 PM] flor2081#0000 actually, if you've got some ships to spare it's pretty easy [31-May-24 02:37 PM] jvaler#0000 ngl i don't feel like adding more responsibilities to myself ingame. haven't had the motivation to expand my own operations for a few weeks now [31-May-24 02:37 PM] jvaler#0000 so i *could* take the rise route and contract out the production to these new players, or the roganartu route and make a co-op, but i'd rather just not. nothing easier than just throwing money at a problem right? lmfao [31-May-24 02:38 PM] sidepipe#0000 I guess thereโ€™s not really any guidelines for eligibility, per se. So Iโ€™ll cover your grant ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿฅบ RSMochiBlush [31-May-24 02:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I could help out with this if you wanted [31-May-24 02:40 PM] flor2081#0000 yeah alright i get that [31-May-24 02:40 PM] sidepipe#0000 I feel like a one-time group buy is probably best. We donโ€™t get too many new players now, so itโ€™s probably overkill to start up an ADI ship production project ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} โœ… [31-May-24 02:41 PM] sidepipe#0000 Though it would be undeniably cool [31-May-24 02:41 PM] jvaler#0000 hold up these numbers don't line up lol 10 people picked 0, but 11 people responded to the second poll [31-May-24 02:41 PM] sidepipe#0000 @.urpalhal is #11 ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-May-24 02:41 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‘ [31-May-24 02:41 PM] flor2081#0000 would only take a couple of people to work together to completely outbid schaitr and everyone else (: [31-May-24 02:41 PM] jvaler#0000 little rule breaker [31-May-24 02:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿฅบ๐Ÿ™ƒ [31-May-24 02:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I am illiterate {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Œ [31-May-24 02:44 PM] jvaler#0000 yknow if you or anyone else wants to lead a project i'm all for it. we can change plans [31-May-24 02:44 PM] flor2081#0000 nah thats too much work ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-May-24 02:45 PM] jvaler#0000 exactly lmfao [31-May-24 02:46 PM] sidepipe#0000 Itโ€™s way easier to just throw money at the problem until it goes away ๐Ÿ˜Ž {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [31-May-24 02:46 PM] sidepipe#0000 I wish I could do that in real life {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ˜ญ [31-May-24 02:46 PM] jvaler#0000 you can! [31-May-24 02:46 PM] jvaler#0000 and if you can't, you just don't have enough money [31-May-24 02:47 PM] jvaler#0000 then you can again! [31-May-24 02:47 PM] sidepipe#0000 Maybe if I throw my quarters hard enough {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [31-May-24 02:47 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿง [31-May-24 02:48 PM] igfloz#0000 Can I throw your money at my problems and make them go away ? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [31-May-24 02:49 PM] sidepipe#0000 Only if you throw your money at mine ๐Ÿ˜ [31-May-24 02:49 PM] igfloz#0000 Oh hell no ! I daren't look at what problems you may have [31-May-24 02:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I will throw my HAL at your problems [31-May-24 02:51 PM] sidepipe#0000 Youll have the same problems someday soon ๐Ÿ™‚ [31-May-24 02:51 PM] sidepipe#0000 That sounds more ominous than I meant it to ๐Ÿ˜‚ [31-May-24 02:51 PM] igfloz#0000 ...but I get it [31-May-24 02:52 PM] igfloz#0000 no expansion = problems : expansion = different problems ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-May-24 02:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 If I donโ€™t expand long enough then no problems [31-May-24 02:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Bc lots of money [31-May-24 02:57 PM] sidepipe#0000 But then you have to figure out what to do with the money! Problems. [31-May-24 02:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 No no problem [31-May-24 03:06 PM] nyanism#0000 easy, too much money = donate to agp {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) spiffyyup bocchiNod Nod nodblack [31-May-24 03:13 PM] evany.#0000 how do i register as a space non profit [31-May-24 03:14 PM] evany.#0000 which irs filing is that [31-May-24 03:14 PM] evany.#0000 501 c3 or is that a different form [31-May-24 03:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Contact the IGRS [31-May-24 03:15 PM] igfloz#0000 ADIGRS ? [31-May-24 03:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‚ [31-May-24 03:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You can get a SNPO TIN from them [31-May-24 03:53 PM] akyantor#0000 I'm a little way from needing a ship upgrade, but I wondered why WCB rather than LCB? I'd have thought LCB would be more flexible. [31-May-24 03:58 PM] sidepipe#0000 LCB is definitely more flexible, but the upgrade to WCB is cheaper. I think going to LCB requires a new crew quarters and a few other parts [31-May-24 03:59 PM] flor2081#0000 yeah the best plan is WCB upgrades and new LCB ships [31-May-24 03:59 PM] flor2081#0000 imo [31-May-24 03:59 PM] akyantor#0000 Ah, that rings a bell. There are some parts that change based upon the user selectable ones. I guess that makes it more expensive. [31-May-24 04:01 PM] jvaler#0000 yup. LCB is 2,000m^3 as opposed to the 1,000m^3 WCB. that increase hits certain volume threshholds that require you to upgrade your crew quarters and quite a few FTL emitters [31-May-24 09:42 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I had a ping but I can't find it :( [31-May-24 09:42 PM] tanda#0000 it was the polls with the Project Member role [31-May-24 09:43 PM] tanda#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183249178156089374/1246167626775003327 [01-Jun-24 03:59 PM] flor2081#0000 wait huh australis also quit dc? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฏ [01-Jun-24 04:00 PM] evany.#0000 mentioned that earlier in voice yea. looks like he flat out deleted his discord account [01-Jun-24 04:01 PM] flor2081#0000 oh damn [01-Jun-24 04:01 PM] akyantor#0000 That seems a shame. [01-Jun-24 04:03 PM] evany.#0000 im sure he has his reasons. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [01-Jun-24 04:48 PM] jvaler#0000 the profile still exists, just left all prun servers [01-Jun-24 04:48 PM] jvaler#0000 i assumed it would say something like this if they had deleted their account {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1246581282008465519/image.png?ex=68149509&is=68134389&hm=b76f0721482158b3f78123f6934e168b5e6e10e805b81d81a3b3f3029de5339a& [01-Jun-24 04:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 His discord@still exists maybe they were talking about on PrUn? [01-Jun-24 04:50 PM] jvaler#0000 they said deleted [01-Jun-24 04:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Hmm [01-Jun-24 04:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I still his discord in my chat list [01-Jun-24 04:51 PM] jvaler#0000 mhm [01-Jun-24 04:51 PM] jvaler#0000 just no more mutual servers [01-Jun-24 04:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yep [01-Jun-24 04:51 PM] jvaler#0000 i watched them leave them in real time :P [01-Jun-24 04:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Thatโ€™s sad [01-Jun-24 04:52 PM] jvaler#0000 they're on to better things. i imagine they've got a clearer mind now by leaving the servers. no responsibilities in the back of your head [01-Jun-24 04:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Exactly [01-Jun-24 04:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I meant sad not that he left but sad bc you could see them tick off one by one [01-Jun-24 04:53 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah lol [01-Jun-24 04:53 PM] flor2081#0000 it takes a while for that to happen [01-Jun-24 04:53 PM] flor2081#0000 like a week [01-Jun-24 04:53 PM] jvaler#0000 oh ๐Ÿง [01-Jun-24 04:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿค” [01-Jun-24 04:54 PM] flor2081#0000 i guess its to give time to change your mind [01-Jun-24 04:54 PM] igfloz#0000 Plus there would probably be people in multiple servers possibly nagging for assistance or "come over to us" kinda things. I think he might have just flipped the off switch for his own sanity {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [01-Jun-24 04:54 PM] flor2081#0000 or like if a sibling deletes your account that it wont insta delete lol [01-Jun-24 04:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh true [01-Jun-24 05:33 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 was also sad seeing them fighing the burnout just because they felt obligated. I've been cutting back a lot of responsibilities fighting a similar burnout so it was sad seeing that he'd just gone a little too far to pull back in time. So many AA projects and other things that just felt like obligations. My position in KAWAs production felt like that for a bit until I figured out a kind of 'compromise' to make my life easier without totally bailing out on the things I said I'd produce [01-Jun-24 05:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Games arenโ€™t fun if they become only jobs {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [01-Jun-24 05:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Hence I make meme bases [01-Jun-24 05:35 PM] lossi#0000 I just work on hyper optimizing people's logistics {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [01-Jun-24 05:35 PM] lossi#0000 don't really care about the base building and stuff [01-Jun-24 05:35 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 now I just have simpler bases overproducing some simpler products. I sell the excess on CX and use the money to fund newer players bases to produce the things I used to or had committed to. I like the social side of the game a lot, so just simplifying the in-game stuff in exchange for more corp coordinating and helping is good for me {Reactions} โค๏ธ [01-Jun-24 05:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol thatโ€™s the thing I suck at [01-Jun-24 05:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m too ADHD and think something is a good idea and then realize that Iโ€™m in over my head [01-Jun-24 05:37 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 for real. I'd pay you a lot of AIC @lossi to review my logistics and help me establish efficient consistent shipping lanes... if that's the kind of thing you're talking about ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ if so name your price, lol [01-Jun-24 05:37 PM] lossi#0000 do you have it in prunplanner? [01-Jun-24 05:38 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 mostly. it's like 90% up to date but I'd need to rebalance a few things to account for recent changes. [01-Jun-24 05:40 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 this is my first shipping lane plan, but it's outdated. I have more bases and more ships now {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1246594306475687966/image.png?ex=6814a12b&is=68134fab&hm=817b229a95a35b846b69c09a3f1060a560dd1d1cba9afb614ccefbcc616ae2e2& [01-Jun-24 05:42 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 no pressure at all, I was just throwing out the option. I was about to do it myself soon but if it's something you find specifically fun then I'd be happy to outsource and pay [01-Jun-24 05:42 PM] lossi#0000 when you're bored, give it an update and send me the empire import/export {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [01-Jun-24 05:43 PM] lossi#0000 Sorry girlfriend messaged me in the middle of typing a rersponse and I got sidetracked [01-Jun-24 05:43 PM] igfloz#0000 Oh WTF !? I'm relatively new and now I find out about route planning and shipping lanes..... I don't wanna play anymore, lol [01-Jun-24 05:43 PM] lossi#0000 I don't do anything fancy like that atm, just help you understand your flow rate between sectors and where it'd be good to build warehouses and maybe offload some of the shipments to contracts [01-Jun-24 05:44 PM] igfloz#0000 I'm just aimlessly bimbling about between 3 planets right now [01-Jun-24 05:44 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ๐Ÿ˜† it's not at all neccessary, I'm just weird [01-Jun-24 05:44 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 most people I think just fly to and from the CX for basically every flight. easy {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [01-Jun-24 05:46 PM] lossi#0000 I'm working on a discord bot that helps plan very profitable shipping lanes from contracts [01-Jun-24 05:47 PM] lossi#0000 Which is, coincidentally of course, why I help people find where it might be efficient to drop some of their load in contracts instead of internal [01-Jun-24 05:47 PM] lossi#0000 :DevilLopi: [01-Jun-24 05:58 PM] jvaler#0000 if you're not vertically integrated it's the easiest thing to do ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ [01-Jun-24 05:59 PM] jvaler#0000 and even if you are... sometimes it's still easier lol i'll only send out a WCB to collect my C from nascent when i have 1k to fill the cargo, but i don't need a 1k buffer on any of my planets so it gets to sit at ANT [01-Jun-24 06:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 I also do the ANT - everywhere routes ๐Ÿ˜„ [01-Jun-24 06:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 only exception is harmonia -> norwick and the SE-110 system, since I've got a little STL ship for that. I'll probably do more if I can find / make a tool that will tell me how much to load at ANT and how much to offload at a given stop [01-Jun-24 06:09 PM] sidepipe#0000 I forget that kind of information the instant I close Prun for the day [01-Jun-24 06:45 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I just have an irrational distaste for flying empty anywhere, so the to/from CX doesn't make me happy ๐Ÿ˜† Also, since KAWA mostly trades internally instead of using CX, most of the hubs where I buy things are actually just planets. So building on those planets and working them into a cohesive shipping pattern is just necessary to some degree with the ratio of bases to ships I have [01-Jun-24 06:47 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I just also find loading/unloading ships to be the most annoying and tedious part of the game... so I like setting up consistent routes so that at each stop I know "load a, b, and c, unload x, y, and z, go" and it's pretty thoughtless and efficient [01-Jun-24 06:48 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 instead of "ok, I've got a ship at BEN now, where does it need to go? what does it need to take?" [01-Jun-24 06:49 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 That does have some benefits though, so I *am* currently moving towards more of a hybrid I think, that uses certain planets as hubs, then ships that just fly between hubs. So basically every trip will be to/from BEN, ANT, or Proxion ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [01-Jun-24 06:50 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 anyway, I'm done rambling now ๐Ÿ˜… [01-Jun-24 06:55 PM] evany.#0000 Itโ€™s actually why I avoid non market to planet trips because if I stock two planets supplies onto one ship I need to figure out how much to send and then again how much to unload, then I get lazy donโ€™t balance it and drop half only to find one base has 34 days and the other has 9 [01-Jun-24 06:56 PM] evany.#0000 Being able to trade goods without the contract system would be much better too, not sure why I canโ€™t just open a trade window and dump it in if both players are online. Crazy {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [01-Jun-24 07:03 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 true, the contract system needs some work for sure [01-Jun-24 07:28 PM] evany.#0000 Honestly options like stock levels and an โ€œunload to stock levelโ€ button [01-Jun-24 07:29 PM] evany.#0000 And a multibuy option at markets like cx [01-Jun-24 07:35 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 yes plz. I have a spreadsheet that I use for this but it would be *so* nice to have something in apex to reference [01-Jun-24 07:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think you should be able to package things up in a shipping cont too [01-Jun-24 07:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 All into one [01-Jun-24 07:52 PM] tanda#0000 yes please [01-Jun-24 07:53 PM] tanda#0000 just give me a box and let me fill it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [01-Jun-24 07:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like I donโ€™t want to make like 5000 individual shipping conts [01-Jun-24 07:56 PM] evany.#0000 yes containerization would be amazing [01-Jun-24 07:59 PM] sidepipe#0000 180 days ๐Ÿฅณ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1246629120868356096/image.png?ex=6814c197&is=68137017&hm=22d18147ea0c3d69bc5399b05881fb2c9767973119d1cf0805c81fe183ac458a& [01-Jun-24 08:00 PM] tanda#0000 grats! you're no longer eligible for the newbie ship packages [01-Jun-24 08:01 PM] tanda#0000 It's crazy to me that I've been playing this for 5 months and I still feel like I'm just getting started [01-Jun-24 08:01 PM] evany.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/im-in-my-prime-funny-ironic-age-old-gif-11480659 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/im-in-my-prime-funny-ironic-age-old-gif-11480659 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/RqxHt74DEy4aI3X4mX5GDSDaZNAwzK35ex9KG6ntwNk/https/media.tenor.com/m6o-4dKGdVAAAAAe/im-in-my-prime-funny.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ด [01-Jun-24 08:02 PM] avalock#0000 good morning [01-Jun-24 08:03 PM] evany.#0000 i just had this photo of @igfloz and had to put it to work yknow [01-Jun-24 08:05 PM] igfloz#0000 Tis true, that is me [01-Jun-24 08:06 PM] evany.#0000 hahaha [01-Jun-24 08:12 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Ayyy! I passed 1 year and didn't even notice ๐Ÿ˜† ๐ŸŽ‰ ๐Ÿฅณ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1246632438365552660/image.png?ex=6814c4ae&is=6813732e&hm=d8eaeff2320d41dd403c93422ff3141d282fac84a2ab406decf60c379e16f36b& {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (7) ๐Ÿฅณ (2) [02-Jun-24 06:14 PM] avalock#0000 good morning [02-Jun-24 06:14 PM] avalock#0000 :3 [02-Jun-24 06:14 PM] avalock#0000 WCB purchasing is going well [02-Jun-24 06:19 PM] tanda#0000 good! [02-Jun-24 06:24 PM] evany.#0000 Are you having yours shipped [02-Jun-24 06:24 PM] avalock#0000 no [02-Jun-24 06:24 PM] avalock#0000 :hehe: [02-Jun-24 06:24 PM] evany.#0000 Someone offered to ship mine and I was just told mine is ready too [02-Jun-24 06:25 PM] avalock#0000 yeee, I'm just like uhhhh [02-Jun-24 06:25 PM] avalock#0000 doing it myself [02-Jun-24 06:25 PM] evany.#0000 Anyone doing mor to ant soon [02-Jun-24 06:25 PM] evany.#0000 Can you fit a second one ? [02-Jun-24 06:26 PM] evany.#0000 I think it was ~300 [02-Jun-24 06:26 PM] avalock#0000 not really iโ€™m doing โ€œpoor mans wcbโ€ [02-Jun-24 06:27 PM] evany.#0000 What size is yours is that something that interests you ? [02-Jun-24 06:30 PM] sidepipe#0000 I think I offered to ship yours a while back - do you still need that? [02-Jun-24 06:30 PM] avalock#0000 oh I'm not interested in anything :hehe: [02-Jun-24 06:32 PM] evany.#0000 Should be ready today [02-Jun-24 06:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 Cool, then Iโ€™ll head over to MOR once one of my ships lands at ANT! [02-Jun-24 06:33 PM] evany.#0000 Cheers! How much you want? [02-Jun-24 06:33 PM] evany.#0000 If memory serves it was like 302 tons [02-Jun-24 06:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ll have plenty of space if you need any upgrade parts shipped from MOR as well ๐Ÿ™‚ [02-Jun-24 06:34 PM] sidepipe#0000 Free! It gives me something for the return trip. I haul DDT and THF over there every now and then [02-Jun-24 06:34 PM] sidepipe#0000 But rarely bring anything back. So just having the cargo is enough for me ๐Ÿ˜„ [02-Jun-24 06:34 PM] evany.#0000 Well Iโ€™ll need some ssc and such to heph but I should be able to square that part [02-Jun-24 06:42 PM] evany.#0000 If I was smart Iโ€™d repair too, below 90% now on both ships [02-Jun-24 06:42 PM] evany.#0000 Thatโ€™s when youโ€™re supposed to yeah ? [02-Jun-24 06:47 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ i wait for 80-85% [02-Jun-24 06:47 PM] jvaler#0000 anytime before 80% doesn't incur speed losses [02-Jun-24 09:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 after 68 days I got my 5th expert on Nike! [02-Jun-24 09:32 PM] tanda#0000 grats! [02-Jun-24 09:33 PM] tanda#0000 after 70 days I still do not have 5th expert [02-Jun-24 10:08 PM] evany.#0000 founded 80 days ago! ... closest is 42% [02-Jun-24 10:08 PM] evany.#0000 (of elon.. no less) [03-Jun-24 12:11 AM] nyanism#0000 Dont tell anyone how many days you take on nascent to get the 5th lol [03-Jun-24 12:12 AM] evany.#0000 already did the math. it will probably be my first 5th [03-Jun-24 12:43 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Should we guess how long my huge Halcyon base will take to get 5? [03-Jun-24 07:30 AM] jvaler#0000 30 EXT right? somewhere around 50-60d i expect [03-Jun-24 10:11 AM] avalock#0000 gm [03-Jun-24 10:12 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah 30 EXT โ˜บ๏ธ [03-Jun-24 10:21 AM] avalock#0000 having the problem of having too many commodities to move is nice but i cant wait for this WCB :giggle: [03-Jun-24 10:22 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Isnโ€™t that the best! [03-Jun-24 10:22 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I love drowning in heavy stuff [03-Jun-24 10:24 AM] avalock#0000 :eavDROWN: [03-Jun-24 10:24 AM] avalock#0000 me fr [03-Jun-24 10:25 AM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1247209669508726877/Screenshot_2024-06-03_092458.png?ex=6814e405&is=68139285&hm=e0a95ac4e149bbca5f17eac7a568de32160d4ef8286da6d8233dad265dea1405& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’€ [03-Jun-24 10:26 AM] .urpalhal#0000 yummys salt pile for me [03-Jun-24 10:26 AM] avalock#0000 need some fries with your salt? [03-Jun-24 10:26 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah โ˜บ๏ธ that would be nice [03-Jun-24 10:27 AM] avalock#0000 :woopsNomnom: [03-Jun-24 10:28 AM] acramernc#0000 ~~Hal98~~ Hal2200 {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [03-Jun-24 10:32 AM] avalock#0000 all i do is minee :minee: [03-Jun-24 10:32 AM] avalock#0000 mining my problems away [03-Jun-24 10:42 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Or mining more problems into life bc now HUGE rock pile [03-Jun-24 10:50 AM] avalock#0000 rock pile is never problem because rock pile is friend shaped {Reactions} โค๏ธ [03-Jun-24 10:50 AM] avalock#0000 :thinkingGuy: [03-Jun-24 10:51 AM] avalock#0000 its just like how cones are friend shaped [03-Jun-24 10:55 AM] acramernc#0000 rock pile is perfect for epic king of the hill game [03-Jun-24 11:30 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Youโ€™re catching up to my MG stockpile ๐Ÿ˜‚ [03-Jun-24 07:43 PM] nyanism#0000 What cha do with all those HAL anyway? [03-Jun-24 07:54 PM] jvaler#0000 eating it [03-Jun-24 07:54 PM] tanda#0000 he's gonna sell it all to me so I can turn promitor into a desert {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [03-Jun-24 07:55 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 mmmmm HAL... [03-Jun-24 07:55 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿฅจ [03-Jun-24 07:55 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 working on KAWA plans currently to make 2500 EPO/d ๐Ÿคค [03-Jun-24 07:55 PM] jvaler#0000 holy OFF [03-Jun-24 07:56 PM] jvaler#0000 that or rfabs i guess [03-Jun-24 07:56 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 both. I make OFF and DEC, Karfaction makes the fabs [03-Jun-24 07:56 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 KAWA has a cluster of bases on JS-570a for processing tons of HAL, and Umbra for PG. Good stuff [03-Jun-24 08:13 PM] jvaler#0000 nothing beats the quality of HAL on HALcyon, especially when produced by Hal98. you know this... [03-Jun-24 08:14 PM] jvaler#0000 clearly KAWA needs more antares operations smh [03-Jun-24 08:18 PM] jvaler#0000 wait i was memeing, JS-570a really doesn't have much HAL {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1247358821182083204/image.png?ex=6814c62d&is=681374ad&hm=e6a90c9ce349e93aa892b5117906d47c67c5178ffd73238c20a99b55a9ef46ac& [03-Jun-24 08:20 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 yeeeah, but it doesn't really take much HAL to provide for lots of EPO. And JS-570a also has LST for FLX. Brokkraf is also a KAWA planet kind of so that's cool [03-Jun-24 08:20 PM] jvaler#0000 inch resting [03-Jun-24 08:20 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 lots of cool stuff in that JS sector [03-Jun-24 08:20 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Nemesis is there too [03-Jun-24 08:21 PM] jvaler#0000 nemesis... i love nemesis [03-Jun-24 08:21 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 and it's near our C planet Tacotopia [03-Jun-24 08:21 PM] jvaler#0000 i wanna nab it but idk what use i'd have for it [03-Jun-24 08:21 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 selling me stuff. lol [03-Jun-24 08:21 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'll literally always buy FRM outputs, lol [03-Jun-24 08:22 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿง [03-Jun-24 08:22 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'd even help with the shipping [03-Jun-24 08:22 PM] jvaler#0000 does prox still have plots? lemme check [03-Jun-24 08:22 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 a few, yeah [03-Jun-24 08:22 PM] jvaler#0000 hm [03-Jun-24 08:22 PM] jvaler#0000 oh ofc, no way in hell i'm doing another boucher where i contract out all my consumable shipping {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [03-Jun-24 08:22 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Prox has bad H2O though [03-Jun-24 08:23 PM] jvaler#0000 people always say that but it's not like it matters, right? you should be doing 13 FRMs anyways cause water is cheap [03-Jun-24 08:24 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 idk it's pretty convenient to set up 12 FRM and a rig and produce more than enough H2O for the whole base... [03-Jun-24 08:24 PM] jvaler#0000 i used to do that for harmonia, but i've seen the light ๐Ÿ˜Œ [03-Jun-24 08:24 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I actually replaced my rig with an EXT though for SCR cause I'm weird [03-Jun-24 08:24 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 wanted that cheap SEA ๐Ÿ˜… [03-Jun-24 08:25 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 and S sells well at ANT [03-Jun-24 08:25 PM] jvaler#0000 guh [03-Jun-24 08:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Make a big pile [03-Jun-24 08:25 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I accept judgement here. It's pretty atrocious. I will not change though. [03-Jun-24 08:25 PM] jvaler#0000 you're so real {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [04-Jun-24 11:20 AM] avalock#0000 gm [04-Jun-24 11:20 AM] avalock#0000 :3 [04-Jun-24 11:33 AM] jvaler#0000 gm [04-Jun-24 11:34 AM] flor2081#0000 good evening (: [04-Jun-24 11:48 AM] akyantor#0000 Evening for me too ๐Ÿ˜› [04-Jun-24 11:48 AM] igfloz#0000 me three [04-Jun-24 01:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1247625048181706854/IMG_2302.png?ex=6815155f&is=6813c3df&hm=b375c4d050783a365790351e3ef78db719df58e4677046aa2de3cdf824325fb9& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [04-Jun-24 01:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Made my money back after my shopping spree {Reactions} ๐Ÿ“ˆ (2) [04-Jun-24 03:21 PM] sidepipe#0000 That sweet sweet HAL money is rolling in now ๐Ÿ˜„ [04-Jun-24 03:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol not really ๐Ÿ˜‚ [04-Jun-24 03:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s sitting in a pile of 4k at Halycon still [04-Jun-24 03:32 PM] tanda#0000 I need 1k in like 2 days [04-Jun-24 03:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 1k HAL? ๐Ÿฅบ [04-Jun-24 03:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I can do that [04-Jun-24 04:17 PM] tanda#0000 Yes, I'm dropping a set of CHP on Elon and will be just doing CL and NA out there {Reactions} โค๏ธ [04-Jun-24 04:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 [04-Jun-24 04:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok take my HAL [04-Jun-24 04:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ll also be buying once I burn through my stockpile of HAL ๐Ÿ™‚ [04-Jun-24 04:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok I will move it all to ANT [04-Jun-24 07:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Wow the early universe is rough... I'm trying out the new government stuff coming soon in the test server.... and man is it desolate [04-Jun-24 11:01 PM] jvaler#0000 @histidinedwarf since you're quite literally a project coordinator, you should probably have that role :P gave it to u [04-Jun-24 11:01 PM] jvaler#0000 pretty sure that gives you perms to role others, in case you need to add people to CULT/PPP [04-Jun-24 11:04 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Alright [04-Jun-24 11:05 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I didn't really mean to become one but it turned out this way [04-Jun-24 11:05 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 And yeah I can role now [04-Jun-24 11:06 PM] jvaler#0000 well that's what happens when you come up with a project plan and then coordinate it lol [04-Jun-24 11:07 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Hey, I just brought up the idea, I didn't mean to coordinate it too :( [04-Jun-24 11:07 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Either way, being one is not so bad [05-Jun-24 11:04 AM] jvaler#0000 i contacted schaitr about the WCB kits, we'll see what they say {Reactions} โค๏ธ ๐Ÿ™Œ [05-Jun-24 12:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Anywho Iโ€™ve been lurking ๐Ÿ‘€ [05-Jun-24 12:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 How much C a day do you guys need? [05-Jun-24 12:19 PM] acramernc#0000 napkin math says 330 c / day [05-Jun-24 12:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 For just you? [05-Jun-24 12:19 PM] acramernc#0000 for the entire pg project [05-Jun-24 12:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh ok [05-Jun-24 12:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ve been thinking about slapping a base down on WU-882d [05-Jun-24 12:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And using Demeter FRM to supply [05-Jun-24 12:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s got nothing on there rn. No pop, no CoGC [05-Jun-24 12:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But one base would supply 150 rn and 192 with CoGC [05-Jun-24 12:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So two bases could supply your PG needs [05-Jun-24 12:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Make stonk carbon profits with me ๐Ÿฅบ๐Ÿฅบ [05-Jun-24 12:58 PM] acramernc#0000 do you mean WU-882d? i don't see an 886 [05-Jun-24 01:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh yeah [05-Jun-24 01:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Sorry construction by my place left me with no power and so Iโ€™m going of my phone and hopes and dreams [05-Jun-24 01:02 PM] acramernc#0000 lol that sucks {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [05-Jun-24 01:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It is what it is [05-Jun-24 01:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 My rent is cheap asf so canโ€™t complain [05-Jun-24 01:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like $1-2000 cheaper than the average 2 bed apartment [05-Jun-24 01:04 PM] acramernc#0000 concerned that you live in a place where a 2bdr could be $2000 cheaper [05-Jun-24 01:04 PM] acramernc#0000 2bdr around here go for like 3k max [05-Jun-24 01:05 PM] acramernc#0000 I think @akyantor was building out a C chain https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1242554355605966868/1246922895192494164 [05-Jun-24 01:07 PM] acramernc#0000 i can't personally spare the time money or logistical effort to start C production rn {Reactions} ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [05-Jun-24 01:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s subsidized ๐Ÿ˜‚ and housing is cracked out here [05-Jun-24 01:12 PM] archielvahr#0000 For C production you can Do the SE-110b, c, d combo: [05-Jun-24 01:12 PM] archielvahr#0000 http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_EsIhRKuGgJ.png {Embed} http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_EsIhRKuGgJ.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1_cEBmWK9SGl_jaVoVAhT4_pIurb-gy0161Z1pKE0po/http/kortham.net/temp/firefox_EsIhRKuGgJ.png [05-Jun-24 01:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 True [05-Jun-24 01:12 PM] acramernc#0000 oooh [05-Jun-24 01:13 PM] sidepipe#0000 and with any luck, I'll soon be able to offer INS at a discount here to make the construction cheaper ๐Ÿ™‚ [05-Jun-24 01:14 PM] sidepipe#0000 just need to get a reasonable stockpile in place first [05-Jun-24 01:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 MHL and INS can get pricy so I was looking at more less cost intensive options [05-Jun-24 01:18 PM] archielvahr#0000 I got MHL @ 2200, hit me up {Reactions} โค๏ธ (2) [05-Jun-24 01:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well let me *shlahp* some plans in prunner when I get power again [05-Jun-24 01:50 PM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, I'm gradually growing my C production on 759g fed from my farms on Harmonia. Should have a sensible net production soon excluding my internal usage. It won't be massive though, maybe 60-ish C a day. [05-Jun-24 09:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 according to Prunner I currently make 70/d of excess C [05-Jun-24 09:57 PM] tanda#0000 every little bit helps [05-Jun-24 09:57 PM] tanda#0000 currently I think my delta is only +140, but then I'm only running one full smelter on deimos [06-Jun-24 05:05 AM] jvaler#0000 prunner ๐Ÿง [06-Jun-24 05:13 AM] flor2081#0000 oh man i loved prunner [06-Jun-24 12:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 PrUn planner ๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ‘€ [06-Jun-24 08:01 PM] tanda#0000 dang, I had my ships arrival times planned out perfect and now the servers are down [06-Jun-24 11:47 PM] evany.#0000 still down? wth [06-Jun-24 11:55 PM] .shiva.#0000 Servers died around midnight in Germany [06-Jun-24 11:56 PM] .shiva.#0000 Need to wait for the devs to wake up [07-Jun-24 01:07 AM] akyantor#0000 It seems very bad luck, went down just after they went to bed. Back online now. [07-Jun-24 02:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I am debt free ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿฅณ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) ๐ŸŽ‰ [07-Jun-24 02:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Time to get into more debt {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) ๐ŸŽ‰ [07-Jun-24 04:29 PM] jvaler#0000 that's the spirit [07-Jun-24 07:27 PM] tanda#0000 I'm also thinking about taking loans out for my next phase of expansion [07-Jun-24 08:02 PM] jvaler#0000 [07-Jun-24 08:03 PM] jvaler#0000 @Project Associate @Project Member ^ reminder, only answer if your company is <180d old. [07-Jun-24 08:08 PM] tanda#0000 gonna skew the numbers a bit, I already bought my WCBs and I'm 166 days [07-Jun-24 08:10 PM] jvaler#0000 as long as it's not a false positive, that's totally fine. all that matters is that we don't over-order [07-Jun-24 08:18 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 just a note if these are from Shaitr, they only offer their cheap deal for one upgrade per player [07-Jun-24 08:18 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 so the second would have to be sourced differently [07-Jun-24 08:18 PM] jvaler#0000 oh gdi ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™€๏ธ [07-Jun-24 08:18 PM] jvaler#0000 i forgot [07-Jun-24 08:19 PM] jvaler#0000 poll still works i suppose, just will count the "2" answers as "1" [07-Jun-24 08:19 PM] jvaler#0000 no need to double ping [07-Jun-24 08:23 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Did they change it ? I got 2 from them {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1248809546093432924/2024-06-07_18-22.png?ex=6814c745&is=681375c5&hm=b3feea717b49b03c7269d1271b9adef8c1a10f1bd553c09cbae80bf1959a11a7& [07-Jun-24 08:24 PM] jvaler#0000 wait yeah, it says ships plural in the forum post [07-Jun-24 08:24 PM] jvaler#0000 maybe that was an old policy @cptcoleslaw ? cause i do remember that being a thing at some point [07-Jun-24 08:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i got a second somehow [07-Jun-24 08:28 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 hmm... ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ might have changed then. cool [07-Jun-24 08:36 PM] evany.#0000 What the fuck ui is that [07-Jun-24 08:37 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Australis posted a screenshot of their discord a while back and I copied it [07-Jun-24 08:37 PM] evany.#0000 He sold me two at same price [07-Jun-24 08:37 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183249253439639592/1208922441888309248 [07-Jun-24 08:37 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Found it [07-Jun-24 08:38 PM] evany.#0000 Thanks I wonder if there is an irssi one [07-Jun-24 08:53 PM] tanda#0000 I also got two from them [07-Jun-24 10:20 PM] avalock#0000 heyo [08-Jun-24 04:05 PM] tanda#0000 sweet! I just got full settlers on Elon [08-Jun-24 04:05 PM] tanda#0000 full bore CL production here we go! {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (4) [08-Jun-24 04:32 PM] igfloz#0000 Gratz !! [08-Jun-24 06:51 PM] copiousdude#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1249148756071551079/image0.gif?ex=6814b1af&is=6813602f&hm=aa899b4898210d8cba8be3fd7dbae3143ad5c10ee234818bb7687ba95e305ead& [10-Jun-24 12:11 PM] neeko.cat#0000 hello uhm [10-Jun-24 12:12 PM] neeko.cat#0000 can someone explain to me what the apex representation center is? [10-Jun-24 12:12 PM] neeko.cat#0000 just a money sink or... [10-Jun-24 12:24 PM] akyantor#0000 Just a money sink as far as Iโ€™ve gathered [10-Jun-24 04:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ~~money sink~~ richness badge of honor {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [10-Jun-24 05:02 PM] neeko.cat#0000 okay cool, guess i'll fall for it some day {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [10-Jun-24 06:37 PM] tanda#0000 sheesh, will this AL price never stop going up? It's showing I'm losing money on Nike now [10-Jun-24 06:41 PM] .shiva.#0000 you've got some weird settings if you're losing money on PP2s [10-Jun-24 06:41 PM] tanda#0000 AI1 ASK|ASK is weird? [10-Jun-24 06:44 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1249871966333177946/Screenshot_2024-06-10_164430.png?ex=6814b03a&is=68135eba&hm=6598628a9822885a4a074e9f2a8f722ae6f1611d82973d2eb2c8156f3c3e7440& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1249871966803066970/Screenshot_2024-06-10_164442.png?ex=6814b03a&is=68135eba&hm=554b6c7772880d87b78c45117973815374c2e2f4cf6f4adfc0d4da8d3d902fbb& [10-Jun-24 06:45 PM] tanda#0000 I think I have it set up right? honestly the differing terminology makes me unsure [10-Jun-24 06:48 PM] .shiva.#0000 that is buying from and selling to buy orders (Bid price) [10-Jun-24 06:48 PM] .shiva.#0000 the new option of `PP7D_AI1` is probably the best imo, but will trail behind fast moving markets (such as AL currently) [10-Jun-24 06:49 PM] tanda#0000 alright yeah, looks like I had that set up wrong [10-Jun-24 06:50 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1249873272351232130/Screenshot_2024-06-10_165001.png?ex=6814b171&is=68135ff1&hm=f1b66e62cb5b7cbc23334a5ea6ff0284f6221ccb8d66225202f38d240b905d2e& [10-Jun-24 06:50 PM] .shiva.#0000 you can always divide out the material prices to make sure they line up w/ what you'd expect [10-Jun-24 06:53 PM] .shiva.#0000 they're certainly making less money now though. BSE/BBH are kinda running into the MM price a bit [10-Jun-24 06:54 PM] tanda#0000 man ship parts are going to cost a mint in a bit [10-Jun-24 06:54 PM] .shiva.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1249874482659725363/image.png?ex=6814b292&is=68136112&hm=99fde6351aaa18ba7c801575d8f19318df58ca9c100f472f1a72746ebd1168d6& [11-Jun-24 10:06 AM] evany.#0000 is this glitched for anyone else? pmdg used to update the values every few minutes so that i could trust xit burn to effectively be "live" [11-Jun-24 10:07 AM] evany.#0000 now i need to refresh the whole page losing all my buffers [11-Jun-24 10:15 AM] tanda#0000 mine has been updating in real time even as late as today [11-Jun-24 10:28 AM] acramernc#0000 https://discord.com/channels/667551433503014924/833418713520537681/1249486666536849458 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1250109387884986409/image.png?ex=6814e497&is=68139317&hm=502e68d048643daf2583c948244fc91a2737d530e9a85d14eb76101c44a67c77& [11-Jun-24 12:04 PM] avalock#0000 i havent talked in a bit but, its finally WCB time :peepo_swag: [11-Jun-24 12:04 PM] avalock#0000 been selling LST on LM [11-Jun-24 12:36 PM] tanda#0000 it's got a pretty nice little turnover on Nike, huh [11-Jun-24 12:36 PM] tanda#0000 grats on the WCB! [11-Jun-24 12:46 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I've been buying some of it, ty [11-Jun-24 12:46 PM] avalock#0000 :salute: [12-Jun-24 04:04 PM] jvaler#0000 @.shiva. @nyanism @igfloz @chobbycock @neeko.cat @akyantor okay i'm finally getting around to putting that order in, sorry for the delay. i'd like to confirm with you all your responses so i don't over/under-order. so, to be clear, based off your response you would like to recieve 1-2 WCB upgrade kits by using a 0% interest no deadline ~900k AIC/ea loan provided by myself and sidepipe? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™Œ [12-Jun-24 04:05 PM] igfloz#0000 I am 100% interested ! [12-Jun-24 04:07 PM] chobbycock#0000 Yea me too, defo starting to get bottlenecked by my starter ships [12-Jun-24 04:08 PM] .shiva.#0000 yep, still in. To clarify, the only thing we'd get directly is the normal WCB kit from Schaitr? We'd source the LHP/SSC ourselves right? (I already did so for LHP) [12-Jun-24 04:09 PM] jvaler#0000 i've decided to source the LHP myself and then bundle it's price into the loan, that way it's easier on y'all. that's why it's ~900k, currently the source would be the CX but that can fluctuate. and if i find a cheaper alternative i will lower the loan accordingly {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ โœ‹ [12-Jun-24 04:11 PM] jvaler#0000 speaking of... @cptcoleslaw i know you've got loads of LHP requests from AA rn, but what's your current status? is there an opening to buy 612 LHP? ๐Ÿ˜› [12-Jun-24 04:12 PM] .shiva.#0000 my LHP can be dropped, sorry to mess up the math. I picked up some of the LM after I noticed prices going up [12-Jun-24 04:12 PM] jvaler#0000 oh great okay [12-Jun-24 04:12 PM] jvaler#0000 be sure to remind me if i forget once it comes time to log the loans [12-Jun-24 04:13 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't think i will, but just in case {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [12-Jun-24 04:17 PM] neeko.cat#0000 sounds too good to be true, you are an angel!! I'm in :02heart: {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ผ [12-Jun-24 04:18 PM] jvaler#0000 oh sorry i missed the /SSC, that's sourced by me too [12-Jun-24 04:19 PM] neeko.cat#0000 @jvaleralso i decided to follow your recommendations: my next base will be a manufacturing base and rise will help me set it up c: [12-Jun-24 04:19 PM] neeko.cat#0000 thank youuuuuuu [12-Jun-24 04:21 PM] jvaler#0000 more peasants to run rise's fiefdom smh [12-Jun-24 04:21 PM] neeko.cat#0000 hahahaha he's good at convincing people to become his personal manufacturing slaves [12-Jun-24 04:21 PM] jvaler#0000 that's great though, also funny cause rise is a bigger promoter of hephaestus than i am lmao [12-Jun-24 04:22 PM] neeko.cat#0000 yeah i was like: ain't got money so we'll have to wait he replied: you think your lack of money is gonna deter me? * shows screenshots bragging about his richness * [12-Jun-24 04:23 PM] jvaler#0000 LMAO [12-Jun-24 04:23 PM] jvaler#0000 definitely sounds like rise [12-Jun-24 04:23 PM] neeko.cat#0000 yup [12-Jun-24 04:24 PM] neeko.cat#0000 also.... my ships need some rest xD {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1250561400955469874/image.png?ex=68148f50&is=68133dd0&hm=fab35741c3cc35a125a972f4fff8debc1c3cfa69d59a55570fa0922b79ac31de& [12-Jun-24 04:35 PM] .shiva.#0000 sounds good, buy order on those wasn't having any luck anyways {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1250564155417563147/image.png?ex=681491e1&is=68134061&hm=a0545b2124bfe04e3dc64bf9db559db50b911e5dda153974906038d39e3d20c6& [12-Jun-24 05:01 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Yeah, I've already got a bit of a backlog but I'll try to send all our excess here till you have what you need. I fill KAWA orders first, then ADI. AA can wait a few weeks, and most of those guys can afford CX prices anyway [12-Jun-24 05:01 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ™Œ tysm [12-Jun-24 05:53 PM] tanda#0000 I'm looking at doing SI recipes and it looks like despite all the cost hikes on AL, the AL&SIO-> SI recipe is the cheapest {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1250583727764148264/Screenshot_2024-06-12_155303.png?ex=6814a41b&is=6813529b&hm=1832161fb218ce760399ebb999406037736800a193868b340b1d409605953514& [12-Jun-24 05:53 PM] tanda#0000 That's wild to me [12-Jun-24 07:59 PM] nyanism#0000 would definitely take it if it give me the WCB lol [12-Jun-24 07:59 PM] jvaler#0000 yes it's a WCB upgrade kit [12-Jun-24 08:00 PM] jvaler#0000 turns it to this blueprint {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1250615822716633098/image.png?ex=6814c1ff&is=6813707f&hm=870bcce1357d3ed3cb4e48d5cbb6d5ea56245c19220caa4080e4cbc051611408& [12-Jun-24 08:53 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Large FTL tank included ? [12-Jun-24 09:37 PM] jvaler#0000 yup [13-Jun-24 12:54 AM] nyanism#0000 its the tank that kick their price thru the roof :Myaa: [13-Jun-24 01:46 AM] akyantor#0000 Yes, Iโ€™m still interested. Would probably bump my ask from 1 to 2. It turns out being in C production and removing the rigs on Harm in favour of more FRM have rapidly increased the benefit of the upgrade. ๐Ÿ˜‰ [13-Jun-24 06:09 AM] jvaler#0000 it's only 200k for both tanks lol :P [13-Jun-24 06:09 AM] jvaler#0000 we can definitely do that [13-Jun-24 10:12 AM] akyantor#0000 Thanks [13-Jun-24 03:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 wtf do I do about this? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1250914581908426772/Screenshot_2024-06-13_144710.png?ex=681486bd&is=6813353d&hm=432cabe2af59ece34ddda8d0cfd58ea1e6fdb22599c8ff4176e7cc470dfee5bb& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1250914582617129100/Screenshot_2024-06-13_144722.png?ex=681486bd&is=6813353d&hm=42628d8d9e68b1ed0442e3018f93a34ba656af3dc4c1022b4ec52ff7aed96d34& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1250914582889762867/Screenshot_2024-06-13_144735.png?ex=681486bd&is=6813353d&hm=e9162d45e080f6bb34ae08d4c57d486cdd4ec3f3942311dae311ad4935c05922& [13-Jun-24 03:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i don't think 120 BSE equals 500 AL.... [13-Jun-24 03:49 PM] acramernc#0000 i mean, i think he needs to give you all the aluminum back and all the money lol [13-Jun-24 03:50 PM] acramernc#0000 if you terminate the shipping contract the shipment should unpack, but i wouldn't do that until he has agreed to return it [13-Jun-24 03:51 PM] flor2081#0000 lol ask him to send for the 500 AL [13-Jun-24 03:51 PM] flor2081#0000 and then you terminate and he fulfills [13-Jun-24 03:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 then report to pirate on UFO if he doesn't? [13-Jun-24 03:52 PM] flor2081#0000 sure, but i doubt he'll actually pirate it [13-Jun-24 03:52 PM] flor2081#0000 he's pretty active [13-Jun-24 03:52 PM] jvaler#0000 that's yinxx, the new manager of DNPC. they're not gonna pirate {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [13-Jun-24 03:52 PM] flor2081#0000 oh damn, i knew i've seen the name before hahaha [13-Jun-24 03:53 PM] flor2081#0000 maybe thats why he's paying in bse, got too much [13-Jun-24 03:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol [13-Jun-24 03:53 PM] jvaler#0000 LMAO [13-Jun-24 03:53 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah they're still relatively new and probably don't know the standard procedure when this happens, so just ask them to send you the AL back instead of repaying in BSE [13-Jun-24 03:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ok well i sent him a message [13-Jun-24 03:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 dropped big bucks to support tho [13-Jun-24 03:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 anywho glad to know they're reputable {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‡ [15-Jun-24 10:58 AM] .urpalhal#0000 apparently asking for my AL back is a huge inconvenience {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1251566488393879703/Screenshot_2024-06-15_095748.png?ex=6814eb9f&is=68139a1f&hm=d1068f8690e055bcf992d7fe827733030edd78c7e0ca4303d91ef298db4ef6f8& [15-Jun-24 11:01 AM] akyantor#0000 That's a bit off... [15-Jun-24 11:02 AM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah bc its been a **massive** inconvenience for me [15-Jun-24 11:04 AM] akyantor#0000 I don't understand how it can be an inconvience to them. Surely it's a 5 minute job to send a contract back with zero value. [15-Jun-24 11:04 AM] .urpalhal#0000 bc it takes AL from his stuff at Nike? [15-Jun-24 11:04 AM] tanda#0000 is english not their first language and they're trying apologize? [15-Jun-24 11:04 AM] .urpalhal#0000 no clue [15-Jun-24 11:04 AM] .urpalhal#0000 maybe [15-Jun-24 11:05 AM] flor2081#0000 nah i think he's american [15-Jun-24 11:05 AM] .urpalhal#0000 :RSCutePandaSmh: :RSPepeSmh: [15-Jun-24 11:05 AM] flor2081#0000 maybe he just doesnt know that he'll get the goods back when he terminates? [15-Jun-24 11:05 AM] tanda#0000 oh so they're just being difficult [15-Jun-24 11:05 AM] akyantor#0000 It doesn't read as if it's their second language tbh. [15-Jun-24 11:05 AM] flor2081#0000 idk [15-Jun-24 11:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 idk I just pinged him in AA [15-Jun-24 11:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 and I sent him a cont for *my* AL to be returned at deimos [15-Jun-24 11:16 AM] flor2081#0000 maybe he thought you still wanted it delivered at nike? [15-Jun-24 11:16 AM] flor2081#0000 cause he sent a cont for nike still [15-Jun-24 11:18 AM] sidepipe#0000 @.urpalhal if he keeps being difficult, Iโ€™ll cover the cost of new AL for ya [15-Jun-24 11:20 AM] flor2081#0000 nah i'll do it, he's in AA after all (: [15-Jun-24 11:20 AM] sidepipe#0000 that seems like the most charitable read of it ๐Ÿ˜„ [15-Jun-24 11:20 AM] flor2081#0000 yeah idk, he's just become a project manager at AA so I really don't think he has bad intentions lol [15-Jun-24 11:24 AM] sidepipe#0000 yeah I doubt this is piracy, just a misunderstanding. and a misunderstanding on how to fix it ๐Ÿ˜„ [15-Jun-24 11:25 AM] flor2081#0000 hahah yeah [15-Jun-24 11:44 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Maybe I just said I wanted my AL back rather than the 120 BSE so maybe that got misconstrued [15-Jun-24 12:15 PM] jvaler#0000 i've opened up the AGP category so anyone can message there, similar to CULT. however please keep discussions there on-topic [15-Jun-24 12:15 PM] jvaler#0000 and because i've done that, the self-assignable AGP role is unnecessary to talk there so the reaction roles channel is removed {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [15-Jun-24 11:02 PM] jvaler#0000 wait this should go in that channel i made lol [15-Jun-24 11:02 PM] jvaler#0000 @WKP that erroneous ping was me moving the message from here to #announcements, apologies [16-Jun-24 03:25 AM] neeko.cat#0000 @jvalerthank you for this ^^ [16-Jun-24 08:21 AM] tanda#0000 alright, who bought all the EPO [16-Jun-24 08:21 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1251889510552309831/Screenshot_2024-06-16_062150.png?ex=6814c6f6&is=68137576&hm=b2a13bbfc1a347eee18b7921edf524ca5bf4596cae178f84fc6fecfb8c9b87cc& [16-Jun-24 08:40 AM] flor2081#0000 wa- damn thats 20m [16-Jun-24 09:58 AM] tanda#0000 Man, I have totally messed up this HQ batch upgrade. First I forgot to buy POW, then I bought 1/3rd of the amount of OFF that I needed [16-Jun-24 10:22 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 @jvaler whatโ€™s needed to make WCB? Iโ€™d be up for potentially being a part of this if I can contribute my materials [16-Jun-24 10:43 AM] razesdark#0000 @jvaler I did initially say to to being interested in the WCB. But now that I feel more confident I both need and could service the loan efficiently, I wonder if there is still room in the Kit project? [16-Jun-24 10:57 AM] tanda#0000 apparently a LOT of titanium [16-Jun-24 10:58 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 RIP [16-Jun-24 10:59 AM] tanda#0000 just from a quick glance, it looks like one SKF would need about 4-5 permits to run continuously {Reactions} blobsweat [16-Jun-24 11:20 AM] tanda#0000 1 EXT base on SE-648C just extracting TIO, 3 permits worth of SME making TI, 1 full permit each of ASM each for FET and AST, to feed one SKF making WCBs [16-Jun-24 12:08 PM] jvaler#0000 we're not making them, we're buying them from schaitr. the project is purely financial, like how AGP is [16-Jun-24 12:10 PM] jvaler#0000 the order is already in and the batch size would make a count of 13 or 14 awkward. i feel like you'd be better served buying the kit from schaitr yourself? cause you'd be last in line in our already somewhat long queue [16-Jun-24 12:13 PM] razesdark#0000 I read about it in the announcements after asking. Given the timeframe, I'dd probably either not require the loan as I would easilly be able to save up for the kit before then. I have no idea what the availabilities for the parts are usually like but I guess I'll start shopping around for parts. [16-Jun-24 12:14 PM] tanda#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1202257500213366804 [16-Jun-24 12:14 PM] jvaler#0000 given the prediction from schaitr being 3 kits every 2 weeks it'll be ~2 months 'till we could fit you in ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [16-Jun-24 12:14 PM] jvaler#0000 but if you go straight to schaitr you can bypass our wait time [16-Jun-24 12:15 PM] jvaler#0000 cause they're doing a thing where they rate limit our bulk order so that the queue for other players can continue moving [16-Jun-24 12:17 PM] igfloz#0000 Thats a good idea [16-Jun-24 12:18 PM] igfloz#0000 shows no favour to 1 particular customer I'm guessing [16-Jun-24 12:18 PM] jvaler#0000 basically [16-Jun-24 12:19 PM] jvaler#0000 it benefits us too though(i assume), cause that way we're not stuck at the back of the line either [16-Jun-24 12:33 PM] jvaler#0000 changed the name to "WCB Kit Program" to avoid confusion [16-Jun-24 07:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Anywho do his kits fit into a starter ship? [16-Jun-24 07:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 That way those who have to self supply can get them back to ANT easily [16-Jun-24 07:14 PM] evany.#0000 i'm not sure i understand the question. schaitrs kits are to convert a starter ship to a "WCB" ship build, so yes ? [16-Jun-24 07:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like the parts [16-Jun-24 07:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Do they all fit in a 500/500 cargo bay? [16-Jun-24 07:15 PM] evany.#0000 ahh- yes! just 1 though. [16-Jun-24 07:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Good good [16-Jun-24 07:15 PM] evany.#0000 whoever does the trip will be probably using a 2k/2k ship [16-Jun-24 07:15 PM] evany.#0000 then they could hold 4 [16-Jun-24 07:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh well my point was for those poor unfortunate souls who didnโ€™t get into our little program [16-Jun-24 07:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And have to supply their own [16-Jun-24 07:17 PM] evany.#0000 don't quote me on this but i _believe_ jvalers plan was to supply people with access to the program to get 'easier' access to them, but also to keep a stockpile so people could buy them off of ADI directly if they weren't interested in the grant itself [16-Jun-24 07:17 PM] evany.#0000 so I believe he intends to hook people up then keep a stock pile [16-Jun-24 07:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol [16-Jun-24 07:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Please disregard then ๐Ÿ˜“ [16-Jun-24 07:19 PM] evany.#0000 by the time your big enough to need the upgrade your probably 2-3 bases and its hard to have the stocks on planets to maintain your planets with quite small buffers that your likely running due to it basically being a 2-3day trip each direction + moving stuff to heph (1 trip for wcb ocmponents, 2nd trip for ssc/lhp). [16-Jun-24 07:19 PM] evany.#0000 at least it was for me, but i could just be bad. idk [16-Jun-24 08:35 PM] jvaler#0000 can hold 6 actually [16-Jun-24 08:35 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1252074160956510298/image.png?ex=6814ca2e&is=681378ae&hm=3eb4497cfe817233a40c21069aa4fa6e5b9aaf88d6322e3499eca4a45e82644b& [16-Jun-24 08:37 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฌ oops that's a good idea, though given schaitr likes to keep track of the names of people who purchase kits i'm not sure that'll work i should ask though [16-Jun-24 08:38 PM] evany.#0000 ah thanks for correction. cool six then! [16-Jun-24 08:39 PM] tanda#0000 give it like 6 more months, then lets start our own kit manufacture {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [16-Jun-24 08:39 PM] evany.#0000 i thought it was like 370 or so. [16-Jun-24 08:39 PM] jvaler#0000 the idea was to "ease" the financial burden by making it 0 cost upfront via loans from us, and for us to also cover transportation of the kits in bulk [16-Jun-24 08:39 PM] jvaler#0000 maybe not 6, but i've felt like our new membership rate has somewhat stagnated so i'm worried if we start something like that up it won't get used [16-Jun-24 08:40 PM] tanda#0000 well we also haven't really been advertising [16-Jun-24 08:41 PM] tanda#0000 Australis was dropping notes in the main Discord as well as on starter planets to drive traffic [16-Jun-24 08:41 PM] tanda#0000 and that's on me too, I can definitely add some advertisements to the chat every now and then [16-Jun-24 08:41 PM] jvaler#0000 true, i really should update all the server info and promotional materials first though. there's outdated stuff in there [16-Jun-24 08:43 PM] jvaler#0000 but before that i gotta go rush that homework i've been procrastinating before it's due midnight :P gtg {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‡ฌ ๐Ÿ‡ฑ [16-Jun-24 08:44 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 If we're going to be advertising, it'd be nice to have a project we'd be recruiting for. Maybe we finish INS and then try to get people in SE-110 to do something [16-Jun-24 08:44 PM] tanda#0000 good luck on the homework! [16-Jun-24 08:44 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 So there's more of a reason to join beyond the grant for new players [16-Jun-24 08:47 PM] tanda#0000 I know times change and all, but maybe we should start talking about the next 5 or so projects that people would have interest in [16-Jun-24 08:48 PM] tanda#0000 did you get any further details on the POPI products project? [16-Jun-24 08:48 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Nope [16-Jun-24 08:48 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I did not plan that far ahead [16-Jun-24 08:49 PM] tanda#0000 well, that's fair considering the major rework coming up on that area [16-Jun-24 08:53 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 There's INS, then some sort of governing goods, then maybe something in SE-110 (I am not aware of what's really needed from food industries) [16-Jun-24 08:54 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Maybe Rfabs [16-Jun-24 08:54 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I don't really see a reason to speculate the details that far ahead [16-Jun-24 08:55 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I'll try running my program, see if anything new is profitable now [16-Jun-24 08:57 PM] tanda#0000 Food Industries: https://prunplanner.org/shared/cbd67fba-85ac-46e8-a277-dde601bfa1f8 HYF Base: https://prunplanner.org/shared/146b58b7-c86f-4282-af51-623b488026fc Water Extraction: https://prunplanner.org/shared/535739ac-acb0-4d45-b649-c7d9fab6fd8c NS Chem Base: https://prunplanner.org/shared/f6465460-89e0-45c4-9ee5-66a715455791 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1252079598838222858/Screenshot_2024-06-16_185551.png?ex=6814cf3e&is=68137dbe&hm=deb9363e2a666bd0c06d23aefe0e9ba7bae58315f14f07492dc63b34637ef89f& {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/cbd67fba-85ac-46e8-a277-dde601bfa1f8 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/146b58b7-c86f-4282-af51-623b488026fc PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/535739ac-acb0-4d45-b649-c7d9fab6fd8c PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/f6465460-89e0-45c4-9ee5-66a715455791 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [16-Jun-24 08:57 PM] tanda#0000 just so you know what I'm specifically thinking of for SE-110 [16-Jun-24 09:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 Bober ๐Ÿ˜ก {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [16-Jun-24 09:05 PM] tanda#0000 it's a chem planet that doesn't have INS on it [16-Jun-24 09:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 No just the name - the plan is sound ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-Jun-24 09:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 Although those 2 permits of FPs might be worth splitting onto 1 on SE-110a and 1 on Norwick if you donโ€™t have one there yet. But that can be a later step if you need a few more FPs [16-Jun-24 09:08 PM] tanda#0000 honestly to start with, I'll just underbuild the HYF base [16-Jun-24 09:08 PM] tanda#0000 this is just good for showing numbers [16-Jun-24 09:08 PM] jvaler#0000 okay it was super easy but i had half as much to do because i found out i fucked up last week. i accidentally skipped over a test and did one of this week's tests instead ๐Ÿ˜ญ [16-Jun-24 09:13 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Graph of theoretical 100% efficiency bases with only one type of building (Haven't used this in a while) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1252083732421283840/newnewgraph.png?ex=6814d318&is=68138198&hm=a75c96c6c91dd018978bf84a1fc34ff0ea6d75e4cca51a739f70c8e183922d8f& [16-Jun-24 09:13 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Well the money points to more Elon bases [16-Jun-24 09:14 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 The POL base in the graph is making EPO and the CHP base is making CL (for EPO) [16-Jun-24 09:14 PM] tanda#0000 what's the AML base making dare I ask [16-Jun-24 09:14 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 1 sec [16-Jun-24 09:15 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1252084213738639410/2024-06-16_19-15.png?ex=6814d38b&is=6813820b&hm=f8eef22d143f40711e4561774c2c63c216a98bdb35db38d0b7d6081ba5abc195& [16-Jun-24 09:16 PM] tanda#0000 that must only be that high because of how expensive AL is right now [16-Jun-24 09:17 PM] tanda#0000 FP being almost as high on your graph as INC are is worrying though [16-Jun-24 09:17 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 AML has always been #1 on the chart for as long as I checked it, lol [16-Jun-24 09:17 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 It costs like 12 mil to build so not very viable [16-Jun-24 09:18 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 The FP is making DW btw [16-Jun-24 09:18 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I think it's because of the spike today [16-Jun-24 09:18 PM] tanda#0000 AMLs also struggle with POPI with ENG being needed [16-Jun-24 09:18 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Let me edit the price and see how FP moves [16-Jun-24 09:19 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I'll set it to 76 [16-Jun-24 09:19 PM] jvaler#0000 afabs you say? i could always subsidize {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1252085141543718922/image.png?ex=6814d468&is=681382e8&hm=46909ce51dd8f0fcab33281693eaaecb9d40604b997094a586081104e4fb58cc& [16-Jun-24 09:19 PM] jvaler#0000 i've got almost enough for 10 AMLs [16-Jun-24 09:20 PM] jvaler#0000 bit short on ASE, but that's cheaper [16-Jun-24 09:20 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 It would also be a pain in the ass to repair. Though if we get a bunch of people AML bases, Afabs will probably be more active on CX [16-Jun-24 09:20 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Convert the EDC MM sellers to AML to clear the conscience and farm them for Afabs [16-Jun-24 09:21 PM] jvaler#0000 lolol [16-Jun-24 09:22 PM] jvaler#0000 i mean i could supply repairs too [16-Jun-24 09:22 PM] jvaler#0000 this is about my average afab income per week {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1252086027040850032/image.png?ex=6814d53b&is=681383bb&hm=579e2a08ef8ac09df7c15f657609d113890543bc304407a3fd4893110f89cc72& [16-Jun-24 09:30 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1252087836350615622/Figure_123.png?ex=6814d6ea&is=6813856a&hm=6893c7b8a8f307e0fdc4cb82d2a4d453b8986166c6a618ba703dbfae46e18c7e& [16-Jun-24 09:30 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Now the best FP product is COF [16-Jun-24 09:32 PM] jvaler#0000 really? i guess the COF crisis months ago was a good thing, 600/u was too low for it [16-Jun-24 09:34 PM] sidepipe#0000 I love making COF in FPs, but I hate making CAF on HYFs ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-Jun-24 09:34 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 If we are going purely for money, EPO and CL would be best [16-Jun-24 09:35 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 EPO is basically just Rfabs and NR (for ABH) [16-Jun-24 09:37 PM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/feel-that-thats-true-true-so-true-plasmaman56-gif-8723373449937489462 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/feel-that-thats-true-true-so-true-plasmaman56-gif-8723373449937489462 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/p6rFFS8bW7ML2f_McE-AWi0h_wYWo04IDAAU7QbKUUY/https/media.tenor.com/eQ-l7y6ZDjYAAAAe/feel-that-thats-true-true.png [16-Jun-24 09:39 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Making the agri products could also be a thing. So that people don't need to make their own beans and coffee beans and whatnot [16-Jun-24 09:39 PM] jvaler#0000 that's true, 1 HYF base feeds many COF bases [16-Jun-24 09:40 PM] jvaler#0000 but you could also reduce the overproduction by partly making HCP for INC to run higher input recipes [16-Jun-24 11:39 PM] evany.#0000 Iโ€™d buy the hcp^ just saying [18-Jun-24 11:33 AM] chobbycock#0000 Is there an easy way to convert currency? Other than buying stuff at the associated CX and selling at another [18-Jun-24 11:34 AM] chobbycock#0000 I have a massive amount of BBH I'm struggling to shift at a price where I'm making profit on it, but some of the other CX's there's a market, but I'd then be getting my profits in a different currency [18-Jun-24 11:38 AM] tanda#0000 Take a look at the FX, but if you're hauling out to sell, you should be hauling back to sell as well [18-Jun-24 11:43 AM] sidepipe#0000 You can also buy EDC with the profits and haul them back to your CX to sell [18-Jun-24 11:44 AM] sidepipe#0000 But if you do that, you may want to see if the difference in prices is a better deal than using the FX [18-Jun-24 11:45 AM] chobbycock#0000 What is EDC? [18-Jun-24 11:45 AM] chobbycock#0000 ^ [18-Jun-24 11:46 AM] sidepipe#0000 MAT EDC ๐Ÿ˜‰ [18-Jun-24 11:47 AM] sidepipe#0000 Theyโ€™re entertainment data cores - the market maker buy on them is really high (11,500) and theyโ€™re very lightweight, so itโ€™s an efficient way to move currency around [18-Jun-24 11:47 AM] sidepipe#0000 I think on most CXs people offer them for sale at a bit above the MM [18-Jun-24 11:48 AM] chobbycock#0000 Ah ok, so they're basically an alternate way of exchanging currency? [18-Jun-24 11:48 AM] sidepipe#0000 Not on purpose, but theyโ€™ve become that [18-Jun-24 11:49 AM] sidepipe#0000 I think Interstellar Gaia offers them on all CXs at 11600 - 11700, so you can use them to exchange currency at a 1% loss [18-Jun-24 11:50 AM] chobbycock#0000 Ah ok, that's not too bad then [18-Jun-24 11:51 AM] chobbycock#0000 Alright cool, I'll look into that, becasue having like 3.5 mil worth of BBH I can't shift is getting really annoying when I want to expand [18-Jun-24 11:57 AM] igfloz#0000 @chobbycock Have you considered offering any on the internal market ? [18-Jun-24 11:58 AM] igfloz#0000 I doubt you will shift any large numbers, but it could be a revenue source [18-Jun-24 12:00 PM] chobbycock#0000 I'm planning on do it for future stuff I make, however with this massive batch, I was still getting everything set up, plus I bought it when people were selling it for a significant discount to make profit, so I need to sell it quite high to break even, and theres already internal market prices that are too low for me to match with this batch I have [18-Jun-24 12:01 PM] igfloz#0000 yeah, starting up has been a bit of a challenge for me also [18-Jun-24 12:06 PM] igfloz#0000 I'm expanding into Nascent. I guess I might be annoying some of the internal sellers cos as I get bit of extra $$ I keep putting small buy orders in for prefabs ๐Ÿ˜ณ {Reactions} โค๏ธ [18-Jun-24 12:08 PM] igfloz#0000 ...speaking of which, sorry guys, more conts incoming tonight {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [18-Jun-24 12:26 PM] jvaler#0000 accepting conts is easy, sending out conts is the real chore {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [18-Jun-24 12:26 PM] jvaler#0000 so ur giving yourself most of the work :P [18-Jun-24 12:26 PM] igfloz#0000 Ya know, I never thought of it that way, lol [18-Jun-24 11:10 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I've got your LHP ๐ŸŽ‰ idk how or when I'll ship it ๐Ÿ˜… [18-Jun-24 11:10 PM] jvaler#0000 wait what? all 612? [18-Jun-24 11:11 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Yeah, apparently ๐Ÿ˜… I just checked all my bases and turns out I've got over 800 scattered about... [18-Jun-24 11:11 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I need 250 for me, but not immediately. [18-Jun-24 11:12 PM] jvaler#0000 my god [18-Jun-24 11:12 PM] jvaler#0000 incredible [18-Jun-24 11:13 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 There's 100 on Vulcan now and that's where most of it is made, so I'll just start moving it to Deimos or ANT and shipping some from Proxion when I can [18-Jun-24 11:14 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Yeah I don't make any of it ๐Ÿ˜… we intentionally overproduce it though so we can sell it externally to fund our new ship project [18-Jun-24 11:14 PM] jvaler#0000 my spreadsheet doesn't seem to be cooperating for me to do full calculations, but we should only need an additional 136 LHP by at least like 7/3/24. maybe a few days after as shipping will take a minute {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1252838996908834977/image.png?ex=6814ef7d&is=68139dfd&hm=a45513ad866a1fa8542d5149924b0a618cf68302f8f89e20d4e210cab19109a9& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1252838997168750622/image.png?ex=6814ef7d&is=68139dfd&hm=7adb31dd986eb7ada8151d3472a5f462901c46783b2119c11879996a8a2d3578& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [18-Jun-24 11:15 PM] jvaler#0000 "yes, this = 680... no i won't display it" {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [18-Jun-24 11:18 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm also planning on supplementing our supply with cheaper MOR LHP, so i don't think you'll have to supply all 612 by the end. lemme check how much i can fit in the shipments [18-Jun-24 11:19 PM] jvaler#0000 wait i already did that [18-Jun-24 11:19 PM] jvaler#0000 it's 121 LHP per trip [18-Jun-24 11:19 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 You sure? I can offer better prices that will bring the total upgrade cost down ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [18-Jun-24 11:19 PM] jvaler#0000 so... if i buy what's on CXOB LHP.NC1 in time it'll come out to -300 [18-Jun-24 11:19 PM] jvaler#0000 i wanna utilize the empty cargo space :P [18-Jun-24 11:20 PM] jvaler#0000 means you have to ship less too [18-Jun-24 11:22 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Could I pay you to ship other stuff instead? ๐Ÿ˜† I think our ship team might need some metal stuff from Moria for electronics/manufacturing in Antares... I'd have to ask though [18-Jun-24 11:23 PM] jvaler#0000 sure thing ๐Ÿง it'll be 4 trips over the next ~2 months {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1252841050410713159/image.png?ex=6814f167&is=68139fe7&hm=bf69a6b8f775446dbffef140478217c59f321d42befc75d4850c6d35cad2f0c5& [18-Jun-24 11:23 PM] jvaler#0000 looks like i could swap it out for a WCB actually, since we're only doing 3 kits at a time and not 6 anymore [18-Jun-24 11:24 PM] jvaler#0000 which comes out to this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1252841308578512936/image.png?ex=6814f1a4&is=6813a024&hm=b3b37b4db43f4fd02802100bc9ee5137f438ed41897da62cf0b1924ac9d4501f& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Jun-24 09:40 AM] chobbycock#0000 What's the best way to find something to buy at one CX and sell for profit at another? Is it simply just a case of comparing prices for everything? [19-Jun-24 09:41 AM] razenpok#0000 https://fio.fnar.net/tradefinder [19-Jun-24 09:41 AM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1252996773925093447/image.png?ex=6814d9ae&is=6813882e&hm=42869d62dd237161525061d3686f92ae8abc2f2d4948f5a0fec249cd082180d4& [19-Jun-24 09:45 AM] chobbycock#0000 Ah, didn't realise FIO had that feature [19-Jun-24 09:45 AM] sidepipe#0000 Just make sure you double check that all the bids and asks are there if youโ€™re going to trade with that [19-Jun-24 09:46 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ve definitely had a few cases where I checked and the buy orders it was using werenโ€™t there anymore [19-Jun-24 09:46 AM] chobbycock#0000 Ah ok, I'll make sure I double check that then [19-Jun-24 09:48 AM] sidepipe#0000 And be cautious if youโ€™re arbitraging things that arenโ€™t super liquid - you can end up with a bunch of money tied up in inventory that way. [19-Jun-24 09:48 AM] sidepipe#0000 Donโ€™t ask me how I know ๐Ÿ˜ [21-Jun-24 10:47 PM] tanda#0000 I now produce small amounts of GF, RG, TUB, and LHP [21-Jun-24 10:47 PM] tanda#0000 I will list them when I have enough stock to bother with [23-Jun-24 08:31 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Thinking about getting involved in PPP [23-Jun-24 08:31 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I can supply mass MG and H [23-Jun-24 08:31 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I got like 3500 MG chilling at ANT rn doing nothing ๐Ÿซ  [23-Jun-24 08:34 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Only thing is I do all my operations on Heph and ZV-759g [23-Jun-24 11:09 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 We already got more MG than we need [23-Jun-24 11:23 AM] tanda#0000 the PE manufacture base on Heph that is being stepped up is going to require a lot of H [23-Jun-24 01:02 PM] evany.#0000 i need H too [23-Jun-24 01:03 PM] evany.#0000 even if only temporarily - i'd just like a bigger buffer then i have now. [23-Jun-24 02:54 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i have too much ๐Ÿ˜‚ [23-Jun-24 05:22 PM] evany.#0000 Ant? What price you gonna give me [23-Jun-24 05:22 PM] evany.#0000 Iโ€™ll send a cont [23-Jun-24 05:28 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Call it 40/u Thatโ€™s 10/u less than my internal [23-Jun-24 05:28 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 And 50% the price of CX [23-Jun-24 05:28 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Iโ€™ve got 3200 at ANT [23-Jun-24 05:40 PM] evany.#0000 bruh. say less [23-Jun-24 05:41 PM] evany.#0000 you got O too ? [23-Jun-24 05:42 PM] evany.#0000 cont up [23-Jun-24 06:28 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Nah I need to start stocking O [23-Jun-24 06:31 PM] evany.#0000 let me know if you do [23-Jun-24 06:44 PM] avalock#0000 Today was a "reshifting my ships" day, finally actually got the WCB done. Project ABES can finally begin :3 [23-Jun-24 06:44 PM] tanda#0000 yay! [23-Jun-24 06:44 PM] tanda#0000 oh god you're actually going with that project name [23-Jun-24 06:44 PM] avalock#0000 I'm still in the naming phase honestly [23-Jun-24 06:44 PM] tanda#0000 by the way, since we don't need a full base of AR, and it's not really going to make you money, you should consider only running 20 RIG and then about 4 COL for H [23-Jun-24 06:45 PM] tanda#0000 the H is much more valuable than the AR [23-Jun-24 06:45 PM] avalock#0000 Word o7 [23-Jun-24 06:45 PM] avalock#0000 none of this is mining ๐Ÿ‘€ [23-Jun-24 06:45 PM] tanda#0000 back when I played EVE I did a lot of gas mining [23-Jun-24 06:45 PM] tanda#0000 so I can't see why it wouldn't be applicable here too [23-Jun-24 06:46 PM] avalock#0000 lmaoo true, I just think it's funny nothing is rocks [23-Jun-24 06:46 PM] avalock#0000 I suppose I'm more just "base materials" industry [23-Jun-24 06:53 PM] tanda#0000 you are whatever you choose to be [23-Jun-24 06:54 PM] avalock#0000 I'm bad at making decisions [23-Jun-24 06:55 PM] evany.#0000 gas mining still valuable [23-Jun-24 06:55 PM] tanda#0000 yep, still needed to make all the boosters from what I understand [23-Jun-24 06:58 PM] avalock#0000 I'm debating what to give this bases "callsign" I'm thinking MRB (multi resource base) - HAR (Hydrogen Argon) [23-Jun-24 06:59 PM] avalock#0000 My other 3 are MB (mining base) - (material) [23-Jun-24 07:00 PM] evany.#0000 dreads and s uch now too [24-Jun-24 12:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 project shlorp [24-Jun-24 12:07 AM] avalock#0000 lmao [24-Jun-24 08:25 AM] jvaler#0000 oh my god money jumpscare {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1254789436223524926/image.png?ex=6814c7ba&is=6813763a&hm=5c8e3a9eb88c1906f2a6b74bfe449cf8924c2b54575dbb6bc353085ade6e7e7e& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ“ˆ (3) [24-Jun-24 08:25 AM] jvaler#0000 all my afab orders sold overnight? [24-Jun-24 08:25 AM] jvaler#0000 we're so back [24-Jun-24 09:47 AM] akyantor#0000 Just in time for the release. ๐Ÿ™‚ [24-Jun-24 09:53 AM] flor2081#0000 Someone bought me out completely too [24-Jun-24 09:57 AM] jvaler#0000 did you list at 48k/u? i think i see that on the CXPC lol [24-Jun-24 09:59 AM] flor2081#0000 Yeah hahah [24-Jun-24 09:59 AM] jvaler#0000 wth does lazysiege need that many afabs for [24-Jun-24 10:01 AM] flor2081#0000 I thought they were just gonna resell because I undercut y'all by a bit, but that doesnt make sense if he bought you out too [24-Jun-24 10:02 AM] flor2081#0000 Happens a lot that Amp buys my afabs to flip them [24-Jun-24 10:02 AM] jvaler#0000 only 2k spread isn't much of a resell anyways [24-Jun-24 10:02 AM] flor2081#0000 Idk, amp does that quite often [24-Jun-24 10:03 AM] flor2081#0000 Well i think he's reselling anyways [24-Jun-24 12:03 PM] avalock#0000 thereโ€™s gonna be a lot of trying to sell materials this week lol, i honestly need to produce more LST i feel but i have a bunch of ALO iโ€™m moving and TIO i can move too [24-Jun-24 12:05 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m glad i have a lot of stuff to do in the game rn lol, its def keeping me invested [24-Jun-24 12:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ALO price? [24-Jun-24 12:07 PM] avalock#0000 trying to sell for 100 lol, but iโ€™m down for lower [24-Jun-24 12:07 PM] avalock#0000 i have 3k units in storage [24-Jun-24 12:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well let others buy first [24-Jun-24 12:08 PM] avalock#0000 oh if others want ALO iโ€™d be happy to sell here ๐Ÿ˜… [24-Jun-24 12:08 PM] avalock#0000 i should really set up a store thingy [24-Jun-24 12:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol ๐Ÿ˜ [24-Jun-24 12:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Where do you mine it? [24-Jun-24 12:09 PM] avalock#0000 nascent [24-Jun-24 12:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yum [24-Jun-24 12:09 PM] avalock#0000 yeeee [24-Jun-24 12:10 PM] avalock#0000 i need to increase the size of it tbh, its not at full size [24-Jun-24 12:10 PM] avalock#0000 but it does its job [24-Jun-24 12:13 PM] igfloz#0000 That's also what I am looking to do, I have some ALO and H coming out of Nascent, but need to ramp it up [24-Jun-24 12:15 PM] jvaler#0000 H? out of nascent? guh? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1254847435570675732/image.png?ex=6814fdbe&is=6813ac3e&hm=45b5a84af880bd966450fbe538839d1c27722dc6f8d7bb0e9e66f13afacac839& [24-Jun-24 12:16 PM] igfloz#0000 yeah, I know [24-Jun-24 12:16 PM] igfloz#0000 My needs started out very low, dunno why I didn't just buy off the cx [24-Jun-24 12:17 PM] jvaler#0000 never too late to demolish :P [24-Jun-24 12:18 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm sure those consumables are costing you more than you even gain in H lol [24-Jun-24 12:19 PM] avalock#0000 leave non profit orgs to dummies like me ๐Ÿคฃ [24-Jun-24 12:21 PM] igfloz#0000 COL are now dust [24-Jun-24 12:21 PM] igfloz#0000 which gained me +1 EXT ๐Ÿ˜„ [24-Jun-24 12:22 PM] jvaler#0000 there ya go [24-Jun-24 02:10 PM] evany.#0000 if you do like a water or gas base you basically need a volume hauler eh? [24-Jun-24 04:23 PM] jvaler#0000 water's actually best in an LCB, and so is a lot of gasses [24-Jun-24 04:24 PM] jvaler#0000 it's only stuff like H that benefits from a VCB, making them incredibly niche [24-Jun-24 04:27 PM] evany.#0000 so your saying https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1235430108127432754/1235430108127432754 [24-Jun-24 04:27 PM] evany.#0000 the 2k/2k one [24-Jun-24 04:35 PM] flor2081#0000 yeah the 2k/2k one https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1203083429676191765/1203083429676191765 \:) [24-Jun-24 04:35 PM] evany.#0000 oh wow thats a bit cheaper [24-Jun-24 04:36 PM] flor2081#0000 you're also in AA right..? [24-Jun-24 04:36 PM] flor2081#0000 check the internal market channel there, at the top [24-Jun-24 04:36 PM] flor2081#0000 https://discord.com/channels/962667818900410388/1034751651162112041/1034753385817182290 [24-Jun-24 04:36 PM] flor2081#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1254913153578569938/image.png?ex=68149232&is=681340b2&hm=428c943975cdfa13f43e932714bbca2eab22a73ef02cf6cc5de45678b282526a& [24-Jun-24 04:37 PM] evany.#0000 oh wow [24-Jun-24 04:38 PM] flor2081#0000 I don't think he minds if you're an associate or member [24-Jun-24 04:38 PM] evany.#0000 i could afford that soonish [24-Jun-24 04:38 PM] evany.#0000 two weeks maybe [24-Jun-24 04:38 PM] flor2081#0000 can also loan and put it in the debt channel [24-Jun-24 04:38 PM] flor2081#0000 tho that may be more meant for members [24-Jun-24 04:39 PM] flor2081#0000 idk actually, you can always ask (: [24-Jun-24 04:39 PM] evany.#0000 have been thinking about doing a gas base so its kinda relevant [24-Jun-24 04:39 PM] evany.#0000 i should repair first though.. some buildings are 100+ day now [24-Jun-24 04:39 PM] flor2081#0000 ouch [24-Jun-24 04:39 PM] flor2081#0000 yeah i get the pain haha [24-Jun-24 04:40 PM] evany.#0000 i'm like the dog that wants to chase all the things right now [24-Jun-24 06:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Whatโ€™s the wait on those? [24-Jun-24 06:13 PM] jvaler#0000 from rise? it depends... could be 3 days could be 2 weeks. it's usually on the lower end though, ~1 week though i personally only have 4 data points to make an anecdote from lol. you should ask them yourself {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [24-Jun-24 08:51 PM] tanda#0000 Food for thought: I have 11 game keys available [24-Jun-24 08:52 PM] jvaler#0000 could i have one? ๐Ÿฅบ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1254977564842135627/image.png?ex=6814ce2f&is=68137caf&hm=09c074552a6e4af503e9131652913279627ef7b976f8c6c0b4cf1ab1ba8fa77a& [24-Jun-24 08:53 PM] tanda#0000 lol! [24-Jun-24 08:53 PM] tanda#0000 I think you're solid [24-Jun-24 08:54 PM] tanda#0000 this is nearly 3 times the amount of time I have actually played this game so far {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1254977903997882410/Screenshot_2024-06-24_185342.png?ex=6814ce80&is=68137d00&hm=743d0320a1cc060b9f0f039bfc32bfeda622991794bc936baf83fe1977a5e681& [24-Jun-24 08:57 PM] jvaler#0000 oh my god [24-Jun-24 08:57 PM] jvaler#0000 does anyone remember how much PRO time australis still had left when they quit? [24-Jun-24 09:00 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ญ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1254979440749056031/image.png?ex=6814cfef&is=68137e6f&hm=7e7853acacb806835922246cefb92d7162c035cd4011698fdd968f16f46e7369& [24-Jun-24 09:00 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 do you need PRO to run for GOV? cause if not I might actually ditch PRO after another month or 2 [24-Jun-24 09:01 PM] tanda#0000 man, you're really going to go back to two ships in the air? [24-Jun-24 09:01 PM] tanda#0000 and no recurring orders? [24-Jun-24 09:01 PM] jcheung#0000 yes [24-Jun-24 09:05 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'm shutting down all but one of my bases over the next month, so that part is fine. I just want to be able to govern still [24-Jun-24 09:06 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 so maybe I'll just become a puppet master in the new system like Rise is in the current one. lol. I'll just coordinate everything and ask others to run ๐Ÿ˜† [24-Jun-24 09:06 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 paying just to be able to govern seems not worth it [24-Jun-24 09:06 PM] tanda#0000 honestly considering the sharp increase in people needed, I'm thinking about helping govern some of the less populated planets I'm on [24-Jun-24 09:21 PM] tanda#0000 oh crap, MCG has gone up by like 6 per unit [24-Jun-24 09:45 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 depends. might actually be *less* people needed now that you can run on multiple planets. KAWAs governing team will go from about 12 governors to a team of about 8 governing *more* planets [24-Jun-24 09:45 PM] tanda#0000 that many people wanted out of it? [24-Jun-24 09:49 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 some did, others just aren't interested in learning the new system. It definitely adds a lot of steps to something that used to be pretty simple for one person to manage. This system has some cool potential for groups like us, but definitely adds some complexity that will probably push many current governors out [24-Jun-24 09:49 PM] jcheung#0000 what's involved with governing? [24-Jun-24 09:49 PM] jcheung#0000 gist i got out of tutorial was you get taxes and then you pay for a bunch of stuff [24-Jun-24 09:49 PM] jcheung#0000 and if you don't pay for it people get mad [24-Jun-24 09:50 PM] jcheung#0000 and that was all i remember [24-Jun-24 09:50 PM] sidepipe#0000 Thatโ€™s a good summary ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿคฃ [24-Jun-24 09:50 PM] tanda#0000 yes, Rise comes to your planet chat to trash talk you mercilessly {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (5) [24-Jun-24 09:50 PM] sidepipe#0000 But youโ€™re basically managing the growth of the planet by building upkeep buildings and supplying them {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [24-Jun-24 09:50 PM] tanda#0000 at least from what I've seen [24-Jun-24 09:50 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 managing population infrastructure to ensure that all bases on the planet have enough workers to fill all their buildings, then adjusting taxes to hopefully make enough to break even [24-Jun-24 09:52 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 it's... a lot. and totally unneccessary for 95% of players to even learn, lol. Some of us are weird and think it's fun though, despite being mostly thankless extra work ๐Ÿ˜† but that's kinda this whole game so... [24-Jun-24 09:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 1000 days or there abouts {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [24-Jun-24 09:52 PM] jcheung#0000 Hmm [24-Jun-24 09:52 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Speak my name and I shall appear [24-Jun-24 09:52 PM] tanda#0000 wow that was quick! [24-Jun-24 09:52 PM] jcheung#0000 I feel like once you learn one planet you can apply it to a bunch of others ๐Ÿค” [24-Jun-24 09:53 PM] jcheung#0000 I guess the problem is the initial learning [24-Jun-24 09:53 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, governing smaller planets can be really fun - theyโ€™re fairly cheap, and it can be a lot of fun to help meet the needs of a small but growing population (both workers and players) [24-Jun-24 09:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes at Halcyon I will only provide OFF and WAR lvl 20 [24-Jun-24 09:54 PM] tanda#0000 OMG you weren't even on the server until literal minutes ago [24-Jun-24 09:54 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Someone was speaking about governing and I felt it. I have a sense for these things [24-Jun-24 09:54 PM] riseoffilth#0000 So who do I need to shit talk [24-Jun-24 09:55 PM] jvaler#0000 LMAO [24-Jun-24 09:55 PM] jcheung#0000 Yourself [24-Jun-24 09:55 PM] riseoffilth#0000 who allowed there to be a -1 pio deficit [24-Jun-24 09:55 PM] riseoffilth#0000 imma get em [24-Jun-24 09:55 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/hold-me-back-gif-11142520 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/hold-me-back-gif-11142520 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/iSsoVlE0d9o5O-45vHzXXGDghcCP5USZTmIhT-fB8jw/https/media.tenor.com/zZpoCop72DgAAAAe/hold-me-back.png [24-Jun-24 09:55 PM] jvaler#0000 my beautiful consumable buffers ๐Ÿ˜ญ let him loose... [24-Jun-24 09:56 PM] sidepipe#0000 My farms are running at 159% efficiency instead of 160%. Iโ€™m financially ruined ๐Ÿ˜” [24-Jun-24 09:57 PM] sidepipe#0000 But jokes aside, governing smaller planets is a lot of fun. Itโ€™s a nice way to interact with players other than buying and selling stuff [24-Jun-24 09:59 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Yeah. I'm curious to see how the changes will affect player interest in goving. Ultimately, I would be surprised if much changed, other than added complication of having wrangle more cats to do the same work and press more buttons to activate the same programs and taxes. [24-Jun-24 10:01 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I'm worried that there already really isn't enough players to fill up the game and multiple gov positions means more players needed [24-Jun-24 10:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 I think the parliaments will shrink if thereโ€™s not enough to fill them. So like if 3-4 people run on a 5 MP planet, only 3 will end up in parliament [24-Jun-24 10:03 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I mean, I dont really worry about that too much. The fact I can now directly control the majority of the planets I already govern through proxies is a big plus [24-Jun-24 10:04 PM] riseoffilth#0000 The only downside is, for the larger planets, getting other folks who dont mind the daily/weekly clicks to do it along with me [24-Jun-24 10:04 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Providing the upkeep is the easiest part (only because im established and have dedicated production) [24-Jun-24 10:04 PM] riseoffilth#0000 The click spam and motions and all that is going to be the drag [24-Jun-24 10:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 The ideal was democracy but the end result will likely be one governor and a majority of rubber stamps ๐Ÿ˜„ [24-Jun-24 10:06 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Democracy is the worst form of government... except for all the others [24-Jun-24 10:07 PM] riseoffilth#0000 And, like in real life, most voters tend not to care about the day to day. They dont want to think about it, they dont want to be involved, they just want it to "happen" [24-Jun-24 10:07 PM] riseoffilth#0000 at least in PrUn, there are clear success/failure metrics that one can objectively say, "This is good", or the opposite [24-Jun-24 10:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well @riseoffilth if you donโ€™t know what to do with your money. You could idk maybe give me a ship โ˜บ๏ธ [24-Jun-24 10:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m totally a new new player ๐Ÿ˜Š [24-Jun-24 10:38 PM] jcheung#0000 heh [24-Jun-24 10:39 PM] jvaler#0000 one does not simply get a ship your soul gets added to the AA debt channel to be harvested at a later indefinite date {Reactions} ๐Ÿคซ [24-Jun-24 10:40 PM] jcheung#0000 speaking of ships [24-Jun-24 10:41 PM] jcheung#0000 how much do ships cost to build/upgrade? [24-Jun-24 10:41 PM] jcheung#0000 not that i can afford it [24-Jun-24 10:41 PM] jcheung#0000 ...or have the ability to get them [24-Jun-24 10:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You can get a starter ship upgrade kit for 650k [24-Jun-24 10:42 PM] jcheung#0000 what does that include? [24-Jun-24 10:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 WCB LSL MFL [24-Jun-24 10:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And everything else besides your choice of hull plate and SSC [24-Jun-24 10:43 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 ~~Bigger fuel tanks and~~ 3000t/1000m^3 cargo bay [24-Jun-24 10:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Emitters [24-Jun-24 10:44 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I absolutely know what to do with money. Buy newbs bases to make things I like ๐Ÿ˜„ [24-Jun-24 10:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Darn ๐Ÿ˜ [24-Jun-24 10:48 PM] jcheung#0000 why not buy your own base? [24-Jun-24 10:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Bc then you donโ€™t have to buy it? [24-Jun-24 10:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But then itโ€™s not *your* base [24-Jun-24 11:07 PM] jvaler#0000 late game permits cost tens of millions of credits, whereas early game permits are pocket change [24-Jun-24 11:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 This is also true [24-Jun-24 11:07 PM] jvaler#0000 so it's more efficient to prop up less established players than dump that money into more personal HQ upgrades {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [24-Jun-24 11:27 PM] jcheung#0000 eye sea [25-Jun-24 05:42 PM] jvaler#0000 D: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1255292035691319296/image.png?ex=6814a18f&is=6813500f&hm=f41783b1de667a976a0a104133a8a6113dca251983db55f693cb8f18b4f916a2& [25-Jun-24 05:42 PM] jvaler#0000 hmmmmmmmmmm [25-Jun-24 05:43 PM] jvaler#0000 i guess i could cut out the project/program channel descriptions [25-Jun-24 05:43 PM] jvaler#0000 and just include basic overviews of what the projects/programs themselves are [25-Jun-24 05:47 PM] jcheung#0000 Use two posts [25-Jun-24 05:47 PM] jvaler#0000 wait that's genius ๐Ÿคฏ [25-Jun-24 05:47 PM] jcheung#0000 I, uh [25-Jun-24 05:47 PM] jvaler#0000 /srs [25-Jun-24 05:47 PM] Sapphire#8184 {Embed} :error: Command not found > There's no command called `srs`. [25-Jun-24 05:47 PM] jvaler#0000 fuck u [25-Jun-24 05:47 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1255293424224047256/image0.gif?ex=6814a2da&is=6813515a&hm=94e3d88734b3cdecc565aa9cfd0b44b0816992b351f2f368fbc105560cfea845& [25-Jun-24 05:48 PM] jvaler#0000 woah [25-Jun-24 06:17 PM] evany.#0000 wow thats so trash that they did that [25-Jun-24 06:17 PM] evany.#0000 discord, successful enough to force itself to fail [25-Jun-24 06:18 PM] jvaler#0000 message length limit has been around for as long as i remember lol [25-Jun-24 06:18 PM] jvaler#0000 but yeah it's annoying [25-Jun-24 06:18 PM] evany.#0000 its one thing to have a message limit, its another to reduce it on freemiums and force it into paid [25-Jun-24 06:19 PM] evany.#0000 'yeah yesterday you could do this... but now you can pay us so you can KEEP doing it...' [25-Jun-24 06:20 PM] jvaler#0000 ah [25-Jun-24 06:20 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah idk when they did that [25-Jun-24 06:20 PM] evany.#0000 just scummy! [25-Jun-24 06:22 PM] jcheung#0000 Message length limit usually isn't an issue [25-Jun-24 06:22 PM] jcheung#0000 Also it's been there for as long as i remember. There's reasons for it. Remember that every single message that you've sent is saved [25-Jun-24 06:25 PM] jcheung#0000 And 2,000 characters (i swear it used to be 1,500) is enough for normal use unless you're... - arguing with someone - writing a list - writing a story - going over code (which if long enough messages auto convert to text fole) [25-Jun-24 06:26 PM] jcheung#0000 Now, discord has done plenty of things I'm not happy with, but that's not one of them [25-Jun-24 06:45 PM] avalock#0000 finally going home [25-Jun-24 06:45 PM] avalock#0000 time to crash in bed [25-Jun-24 07:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I some how have 800 N and IDK why [25-Jun-24 07:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I know how [25-Jun-24 07:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but idk why past me wanted that [25-Jun-24 07:42 PM] tanda#0000 I use discord for precisely all of those reasons! [25-Jun-24 07:43 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1255322504369541260/image0.gif?ex=6814bdef&is=68136c6f&hm=01174023e9e85a6f49d28359da2312e7f2abc96290ff460608eddfaa41d23f8c& [26-Jun-24 10:14 AM] jvaler#0000 i've totally forgotten what base i needed to resupply next lmfao [26-Jun-24 10:14 AM] jvaler#0000 PMMG pls save me ๐Ÿ˜ญ [26-Jun-24 10:14 AM] jvaler#0000 my PrUn crutch [26-Jun-24 10:31 AM] acramernc#0000 oh no, don't tell me i'm gonna get notifications for every motion that passes on any planet I inhabit {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’€ (2) [26-Jun-24 02:27 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1255605262295765053/image.png?ex=681473c6&is=68132246&hm=2a41c18f1e21895aefdcd6019df6972b8e81ffe337a2fb07a2c2db8ce9fd854a& [26-Jun-24 02:27 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 NOTPNS [26-Jun-24 02:29 PM] acramernc#0000 yeah but what if i want to be on a planets parliament, i'm gonna have to turn those notifications on for every planet right? [26-Jun-24 02:29 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 thats a good point actually [26-Jun-24 02:29 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 xd RIP your notifications [26-Jun-24 03:19 PM] jcheung#0000 Rest in pepperoni [26-Jun-24 03:19 PM] jcheung#0000 Make some noise at the devs [26-Jun-24 03:36 PM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, sadly if you are a parliment member you can't really turn them off ๐Ÿ˜› [26-Jun-24 03:36 PM] akyantor#0000 Sad times [26-Jun-24 03:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well Iโ€™ll just smash off the nots going to my email [26-Jun-24 03:38 PM] akyantor#0000 100% [26-Jun-24 03:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 No more 100+ emails from PrUn [26-Jun-24 03:39 PM] jcheung#0000 What you say? Spam folder? [26-Jun-24 04:07 PM] .shiva.#0000 If the emails would actually give *any* context some categories could be handy {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [26-Jun-24 04:07 PM] .shiva.#0000 But theyre worthless [26-Jun-24 04:08 PM] .shiva.#0000 Gee, wow thanks {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1255630791703265290/image.png?ex=68148b8d&is=68133a0d&hm=bd7c68b170cbc9e66dfb54a826b957c6b0fd4107808166ec45d619be77fbf39c& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜พ [26-Jun-24 04:11 PM] jcheung#0000 .... [26-Jun-24 04:12 PM] jcheung#0000 Much helpful [26-Jun-24 05:41 PM] evany.#0000 people pay attention to their notifications? [26-Jun-24 05:45 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm a good antares citizen and always vote for CoGC [26-Jun-24 05:52 PM] evany.#0000 i got nearly 200 notifications in last 24hours just from build orders [26-Jun-24 05:52 PM] evany.#0000 i can't imagine ever looking at notices [26-Jun-24 05:52 PM] jvaler#0000 build orders...???????? [26-Jun-24 05:52 PM] jvaler#0000 why do you not have that turned off??? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฑ ๐Ÿ’€ [26-Jun-24 05:52 PM] evany.#0000 you can turn that off??? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฑ ๐Ÿ’€ [26-Jun-24 05:52 PM] jvaler#0000 omg [26-Jun-24 05:53 PM] evany.#0000 not everyone logs into > HELO IM UR NOTICES > U BUILT CARBON. LOL GL > HELO IM UR NOTICES > U BUILT CARBON. LOL GL > HELO IM UR NOTICES > U BUILT CARBON. LOL GL > HELO IM UR NOTICES > U BUILT CARBON. LOL GL > HELO IM UR NOTICES > U BUILT CARBON. LOL GL > HELO IM UR NOTICES > U BUILT CARBON. LOL GL > HELO IM UR NOTICES > U BUILT CARBON. LOL GL > HELO IM UR NOTICES > U BUILT CARBON. LOL GL [26-Jun-24 05:53 PM] evany.#0000 ??? [26-Jun-24 05:53 PM] jvaler#0000 lmfaooo [26-Jun-24 05:54 PM] evany.#0000 omg you can turn that off [26-Jun-24 05:54 PM] evany.#0000 i blame jvaler [26-Jun-24 05:54 PM] jvaler#0000 guh [26-Jun-24 05:54 PM] jvaler#0000 your severe lack of curiosity is not my fault [26-Jun-24 05:54 PM] evany.#0000 hahahaha [26-Jun-24 05:57 PM] evany.#0000 im so used to notifications now i dont keep up on them at all i guess [26-Jun-24 06:00 PM] jvaler#0000 thank god for PMMG noti color coding, otherwise the contract notis would make mine illegible {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1255658969226150001/image.png?ex=6814a5cb&is=6813544b&hm=06a671eec465244117e767fa46f79b8bb4b00bc71a9d407c313a48af354fafa8& [26-Jun-24 06:00 PM] jvaler#0000 but i find stuff like LM ads getting picked up and new voting cycles starting important [26-Jun-24 06:01 PM] evany.#0000 i just keep my LM's on my inventory [26-Jun-24 06:01 PM] evany.#0000 but im starting to be at too many planets to watch lm's that close [26-Jun-24 06:01 PM] evany.#0000 idk how people do it with like a dozen planets [26-Jun-24 06:02 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't bother checking planet LMs anymore lol, just too many. i'll occasionally check ANT LM if i have extra room in a ship but that's it [26-Jun-24 06:02 PM] evany.#0000 thats actually the one i think about getting rid of [26-Jun-24 06:03 PM] evany.#0000 if i could filter shipping to planets i had bases on - on the other hand.. [26-Jun-24 06:03 PM] jvaler#0000 well i mostly find having easy access to the "post ad" button on it the most used thing for me lmao [26-Jun-24 06:03 PM] jvaler#0000 shoutout darkfuel [26-Jun-24 06:04 PM] jvaler#0000 my LM screen still has remannts of my old setup when i only had a handful of bases to watch {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1255659950751879259/image.png?ex=6814a6b5&is=68135535&hm=9b5c2e5f691e943a4005e59d2a9e109cdfa06822aba06f3efea59a82a7b1cc82& [26-Jun-24 06:04 PM] jvaler#0000 but i realized it was futile and cut a lot out for a big CXOS tile [26-Jun-24 06:05 PM] jvaler#0000 ANT LM is pretty easy to just skim down the destinations and see what matches [26-Jun-24 06:05 PM] jvaler#0000 at least if you have the tile wide enough so the lines don't wrap [26-Jun-24 06:07 PM] evany.#0000 fair. mine wrap like a mofo ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [26-Jun-24 08:07 PM] jcheung#0000 what an amazing contract {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1255691028149829724/image.png?ex=6814c3a6&is=68137226&hm=7c130bfa28961e220ad980cc5f86250b941134c1d999e4a79b8e7bc51c543939& [26-Jun-24 08:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 @jvaler - thanks for telling me about BURN_ALL. Prun is finally playable on my laptop again ๐Ÿ™‚ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1255697460693569546/image.png?ex=6814c9a4&is=68137824&hm=18ca772b9b140311f2affc185f49ee6c1af780218530fb138e269af69157d230& [26-Jun-24 08:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Hm [26-Jun-24 08:37 PM] sidepipe#0000 Now I just need to add the burn stuff back into my spreadsheet whenever FIO is up and running again [26-Jun-24 08:39 PM] .shiva.#0000 a REPAIR equivalent to BURN_ALL would be quite nice too [26-Jun-24 08:40 PM] sidepipe#0000 XIT REPAIR? ๐Ÿ™‚ [26-Jun-24 08:40 PM] .shiva.#0000 yeah, but that doesn't have nice collapsable sections per planet [26-Jun-24 08:40 PM] sidepipe#0000 ah yeah fair [26-Jun-24 08:40 PM] .shiva.#0000 just one big ol' list [26-Jun-24 08:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 I guess if you're not averse to spreadsheets, you can keep a list of 90 day timers for your bases [26-Jun-24 08:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 but that's not much better than just scrolling through xit repairs in the meantime ๐Ÿ˜„ [26-Jun-24 08:43 PM] tanda#0000 you can do XIT REPAIR_PLANETID [26-Jun-24 08:43 PM] .shiva.#0000 but then you have to have a buffer per planet ๐Ÿ˜‰ [26-Jun-24 08:44 PM] tanda#0000 just one to warn you something's coming up and then you can drill down and investigate [26-Jun-24 08:45 PM] sidepipe#0000 to be fair, I'm currently in a place where I open xit repairs and notice a building is 110 days old ๐Ÿ˜ [26-Jun-24 08:46 PM] tanda#0000 I'm going to start trying to figure out what a 60 day repair looks like for each of my bases [26-Jun-24 08:46 PM] tanda#0000 and just have that preparked [27-Jun-24 03:20 AM] jcheung#0000 what does this number in the () mean? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1255799805435969566/image.png?ex=68148035&is=68132eb5&hm=ffc5ac18e537f96a02cecb83b8ba4a0e7e92660eef01acee017a2f7d2f0f3339& [27-Jun-24 03:34 AM] evany.#0000 I wonder what answer you will get I too have no idea I just know it doesnโ€™t matter [27-Jun-24 04:03 AM] jcheung#0000 okay. asked elsewhere and got a link to the handbook... [27-Jun-24 04:04 AM] jcheung#0000 what i *think* it's saying is this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1255810872425840690/image.png?ex=68148a83&is=68133903&hm=4c42cfa7fefc4515701195da4665841be1e133e1a964e4fb8a546699380f12c3& [27-Jun-24 04:05 AM] jcheung#0000 i'll keep an eye on it next time i build something ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [27-Jun-24 06:14 AM] jvaler#0000 that's correct! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Jun-24 06:14 AM] jvaler#0000 just represents how much of your current workforce is made up of reserve pool workers [27-Jun-24 06:15 AM] jvaler#0000 which should turn to 0 once POPR hits every week, cause then the reserve pook workers just become normal workers assigned to you [27-Jun-24 06:15 AM] jvaler#0000 @evany. ^ [27-Jun-24 12:13 PM] jcheung#0000 oof. got flashbanged while i had like 40 buffers open [27-Jun-24 12:34 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Yo, whose got some spare permits and wants to make some cash [27-Jun-24 12:35 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I need a fresh plastic manufacturing base [27-Jun-24 12:36 PM] jcheung#0000 Uh... hmm. If you give me a week or two to sort out my current expansion, I'd be interested. If you can't wait then i understand [27-Jun-24 12:43 PM] acramernc#0000 what kind of plastic? [27-Jun-24 01:32 PM] riseoffilth#0000 PSM/PSL/DCM [27-Jun-24 04:48 PM] evany.#0000 depends on where. i don't have enough ships to supply bases that are in the middle of nowhere @riseoffilth but i could [27-Jun-24 06:48 PM] avalock#0000 me adding to the conversation in Nike {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1256033411475308564/image.png?ex=6814b105&is=68135f85&hm=ee8289ffb38b2e7e9a3dc05d417dfbc1399fd0aeeb3d3d81a599ba62abfcade5& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (4) [27-Jun-24 07:52 PM] tanda#0000 why are mommy OOG and daddy Rise fighting? [27-Jun-24 07:57 PM] avalock#0000 tbh idk, I'm a cat {Reactions} โœ… GatoXD [27-Jun-24 08:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Political disagreements [27-Jun-24 08:10 PM] jcheung#0000 I only see what's on discord and... it looks kinda stupid from this perspective of mine [27-Jun-24 08:10 PM] jcheung#0000 Granted irl i couldn't care any less about politics and politicians [27-Jun-24 08:43 PM] jvaler#0000 https://discord.gg/5KJh43pe [27-Jun-24 08:45 PM] tanda#0000 whaaat [27-Jun-24 08:46 PM] sidepipe#0000 yup. all the typos I ever made in planet chat are preserved for all time ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Jun-24 09:18 PM] jvaler#0000 some channels aren't in that server, but you can still access them on the FIO site [27-Jun-24 09:18 PM] jvaler#0000 it has the same chat log feature [28-Jun-24 06:30 AM] avalock#0000 gm ๐Ÿ‘‹ [28-Jun-24 06:33 AM] nyanism#0000 Definitely Hep :KEKW: [28-Jun-24 10:43 AM] jcheung#0000 holy cow [28-Jun-24 10:43 AM] jcheung#0000 this trip had apparently 3 paths to take, dropped half the travel time while i was fiddling with it [28-Jun-24 10:44 AM] jcheung#0000 and used less fuel to boot [28-Jun-24 10:44 AM] jcheung#0000 ...i wish it didn't have such a wide split [28-Jun-24 11:29 AM] jvaler#0000 3? [28-Jun-24 11:29 AM] jvaler#0000 i've never seen that before lol [28-Jun-24 11:31 AM] jcheung#0000 Yeah. The first one was 11 hrs ANT to Deimos Second was 7.5 hrs Third was 5 hrs that i got while i was deciding what time i wanted it to come in at, and then lost it... took like 50 clicks to get it again [28-Jun-24 11:32 AM] jvaler#0000 hmmm [28-Jun-24 12:03 PM] evany.#0000 yeah its really weird what it chooses [28-Jun-24 12:03 PM] evany.#0000 i get that with deimos all the time. its between 2-7 hours [28-Jun-24 01:06 PM] jvaler#0000 you've also gotten 3 different calculations before? [28-Jun-24 02:02 PM] evany.#0000 many times [28-Jun-24 02:02 PM] evany.#0000 usually ones around 2 hours which ican find about 30% of the time then 4 hours probably 50% of the time [28-Jun-24 02:03 PM] evany.#0000 the remainder im just trying to goto bed and its like 6h53m and im just like fuck it go i dont care goodnight ship and i hit send {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [28-Jun-24 02:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, if it arrives anytime before 9 AM I do no further optimization ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Jun-24 02:08 PM] evany.#0000 YUP [28-Jun-24 02:13 PM] jcheung#0000 ...i need to get more selective with my clickfest then... [28-Jun-24 02:16 PM] jcheung#0000 is there a way to join a planet chat without being a site owner? [28-Jun-24 02:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 No? [28-Jun-24 02:17 PM] jcheung#0000 ah well [28-Jun-24 02:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 At least I donโ€™t know of any method [28-Jun-24 03:46 PM] jvaler#0000 i meant on the same flight at the same time [28-Jun-24 03:46 PM] jvaler#0000 cause i've never seen 3 different calculations for the same flight, only 2 [28-Jun-24 03:47 PM] jvaler#0000 ingame? no [28-Jun-24 03:47 PM] jvaler#0000 but you can view any of them on the FIO website, or that discord only if it's been manually added [28-Jun-24 04:19 PM] evany.#0000 i dont pay that much attention but i'm pretty sure there is no rotations its noe like places are orbiting or something i dont think ? no solar system i routinely find 2 4 and 7 hour trips between ant and deimos which is a wild variance [28-Jun-24 04:19 PM] jvaler#0000 that's cause of deimos' orbit [28-Jun-24 04:20 PM] jvaler#0000 so the answer is that you haven't seen 3 different calculations on the same flight? [28-Jun-24 04:48 PM] nyanism#0000 there is actually rotation [28-Jun-24 05:07 PM] .shiva.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1256370357116338258/image.png?ex=68149953&is=681347d3&hm=09ef3cdeac4c53e8b789ee1faf0b6063d2ff44d823b8a4a8f9482c596911b5e9& [28-Jun-24 05:07 PM] .shiva.#0000 note the trails [28-Jun-24 05:07 PM] .shiva.#0000 also means planets closer to the sun have much lower variance in flight time [28-Jun-24 05:37 PM] jcheung#0000 bleh. didn't realize that if i didn't accept the faction contracts they don't send new ones ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [28-Jun-24 05:47 PM] igfloz#0000 They will in a day or so - the old ones just get cancelled [28-Jun-24 05:48 PM] jcheung#0000 this one was aged "3 days" and when i canceled it it instantly gave me a new set [28-Jun-24 05:49 PM] igfloz#0000 hmm, had you accepted it ? I think mine change every 2 , maybe 3 days [28-Jun-24 05:49 PM] igfloz#0000 ...however, I mostly ignore them, and I get new ones regularly [28-Jun-24 05:52 PM] jcheung#0000 no, but i had rejected two of the three [28-Jun-24 05:56 PM] igfloz#0000 You only have to accept one. The other 2 will auto cancel. No need to reject specific faction contracts [28-Jun-24 06:01 PM] jcheung#0000 i was undecided on if i wanted to take the third [28-Jun-24 06:01 PM] jcheung#0000 then forgot about it after a page refresh closed the buffers ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Jun-24 07:39 PM] avalock#0000 good morning everyone {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘‹ [28-Jun-24 07:50 PM] jcheung#0000 good... evening [28-Jun-24 08:00 PM] avalock#0000 howโ€™s it going [28-Jun-24 08:01 PM] jcheung#0000 it's going [28-Jun-24 08:01 PM] jcheung#0000 made about a dozen miscalculations and have compensated for 10 of them [28-Jun-24 08:04 PM] avalock#0000 nice! [28-Jun-24 08:05 PM] avalock#0000 i have done nothing except sleep [28-Jun-24 08:06 PM] avalock#0000 and meow its 9:05 [28-Jun-24 08:10 PM] sidepipe#0000 sometimes that's 100% necessary ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Jun-24 08:16 PM] jcheung#0000 either we're in the same timezone, or we're literally a world apart [28-Jun-24 08:16 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿค” [28-Jun-24 08:18 PM] nyanism#0000 Atleast you didnt missed the important task of meowing [28-Jun-24 08:19 PM] avalock#0000 which one you think [28-Jun-24 08:19 PM] avalock#0000 meow [28-Jun-24 08:19 PM] jcheung#0000 ahh, you have a cat on your head and it moves [28-Jun-24 08:20 PM] jcheung#0000 i dunno. how light/dark is it outside [28-Jun-24 08:20 PM] nyanism#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1256418961403154472/IMG_4344.jpg?ex=6814c697&is=68137517&hm=2dc50e96aea593bcd8b2460c5784a99916650b170d691116178f8e2c861ecfc5& [28-Jun-24 08:20 PM] avalock#0000 moderately light outside iโ€™d say [28-Jun-24 08:21 PM] jcheung#0000 other side of the world then [28-Jun-24 08:21 PM] avalock#0000 sure! [28-Jun-24 08:22 PM] avalock#0000 wheres the other side of the world [28-Jun-24 08:23 PM] avalock#0000 no iโ€™m just a cat [28-Jun-24 08:23 PM] avalock#0000 not like an anime cat girl [28-Jun-24 08:23 PM] jcheung#0000 not you, the other one [28-Jun-24 08:23 PM] avalock#0000 just a cat [28-Jun-24 08:23 PM] avalock#0000 ohhhhh [28-Jun-24 08:23 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m stupid ๐Ÿ˜” [28-Jun-24 08:23 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm US east [28-Jun-24 08:24 PM] avalock#0000 oh iโ€™m US east too [28-Jun-24 08:24 PM] jcheung#0000 *looks outside* [28-Jun-24 08:24 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/iQdQQ9vhQWL.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sus-whos-sus-not-me-gif-7283757931826139493 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/nqPK8kVyq_1dSErcYOEKkunzcc-qDInkuPdqxzrzcAs/https/media.tenor.com/ZRUbP3xuUWUAAAAe/sus-whos-sus-not-me.png [28-Jun-24 08:25 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m like weat US east {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [28-Jun-24 08:25 PM] avalock#0000 our sun goes down later [28-Jun-24 08:25 PM] avalock#0000 lmfao i should be on a different time zone trust me [28-Jun-24 08:25 PM] nyanism#0000 Summon @evany. here cus im no where near US and this conversation is lost to me, until theres more cats [28-Jun-24 08:25 PM] avalock#0000 sorry i will be more of a cat now [28-Jun-24 08:25 PM] avalock#0000 meow [28-Jun-24 08:26 PM] nyanism#0000 :gottagofast: [28-Jun-24 08:26 PM] avalock#0000 *knocks stuff over* [28-Jun-24 08:26 PM] nyanism#0000 :Badcat: [28-Jun-24 08:26 PM] avalock#0000 >:c [28-Jun-24 08:28 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bTyrI.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/spray-bottle-cat-spray-bottle-spray-bottle-meme-loop-gif-25594440 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/OBfsRDHF0HwyeHaC6sFQQ_Psp4DxUEghHYnFDM_Fc1k/https/media.tenor.com/tPDdc5tBiaEAAAAe/spray-bottle-cat-spray-bottle.png [28-Jun-24 08:30 PM] evany.#0000 WAT [28-Jun-24 08:30 PM] evany.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/america-statue-of-liberty-eagle-gif-11161601 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/america-statue-of-liberty-eagle-gif-11161601 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/NUc3pyUW2cGg5GjHLFG-wIMrqfE79Dddtiy8dhVpDM8/https/media.tenor.com/WGeZSPwRqe4AAAAe/america-statue-of-liberty.png [28-Jun-24 08:30 PM] evany.#0000 its ok we will bring you some freedom [28-Jun-24 08:30 PM] evany.#0000 as soon as i get my citizenship [28-Jun-24 09:36 PM] tanda#0000 The US is so wide it has timezones. Those timezones themselves are so big that sunset times on the eastern and western edges of them can vary [28-Jun-24 09:49 PM] avalock#0000 this pretty much yeag [28-Jun-24 10:47 PM] jcheung#0000 america and its territories span so much of the globe that some patch of land america has declared as theirs has sunlight on it at any given time >.< [28-Jun-24 10:50 PM] tanda#0000 so instead of it being "The sun never sets on the British Empire" It's now the American empire? [28-Jun-24 10:50 PM] tanda#0000 like father like son I guess [28-Jun-24 10:55 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah... [28-Jun-24 10:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 @jvaler whatcha doing over there ๐Ÿ‘€ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1256458154125033493/Screenshot_2024-06-28_215507.png?ex=6814eb17&is=68139997&hm=20d64b624ab553f4a82c60b1e6f21a0b010955a51e9f620c27416ac6a6e8120a& [28-Jun-24 10:56 PM] jcheung#0000 giving me a heart attack is what [29-Jun-24 12:51 AM] nyanism#0000 Wellโ€ฆ if you count the flight deck of a carrier Taskforce a patch of land, thats prolly true :KEKW: [29-Jun-24 12:52 AM] jcheung#0000 well, we have guam [29-Jun-24 12:52 AM] jcheung#0000 which is..... on the opposite side of the world from US east coast [29-Jun-24 12:53 AM] jcheung#0000 not quite exactly, but far enough that by sunset there, sunrise is hitting east coast [29-Jun-24 12:54 AM] jcheung#0000 then there's... i swear we have some little bloody rock in the middle of the indian ocean [29-Jun-24 12:54 AM] jcheung#0000 ah, diego garcia, though that's merely leased [29-Jun-24 09:17 AM] jvaler#0000 oops lmao i saw "m-----" and just clicked what the other person voted for {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [29-Jun-24 10:38 PM] avalock#0000 this race is so intense {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1256816173979537538/image.png?ex=6814e706&is=68139586&hm=92f174fba247fa4a5c20acd01fbf73d2f66c56ee8ce0b8437f6a7f2c658f0201& [29-Jun-24 10:40 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/5jXE.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/casino-gamble-are-you-winning-gif-13622360 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/KmifO6uoqX0IfOcf8eZnbYPJHufRdl7aAk937pOvEiI/https/media.tenor.com/nBKtS7yLTg8AAAAe/casino-gamble.png [29-Jun-24 10:40 PM] avalock#0000 I never win [29-Jun-24 11:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 great things coming my way soon {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1256836387437547541/Screenshot_2024-06-29_225854.png?ex=6814f9d9&is=6813a859&hm=ec3bf88ccbc53a8812a029de8c6265c9965aa4ea65d91963216c7e798fe0f1b8& [29-Jun-24 11:59 PM] tanda#0000 very nice! [29-Jun-24 11:59 PM] evany.#0000 oh nice. mines starting to line up like that too! [30-Jun-24 12:00 AM] .urpalhal#0000 i just need to ship it and rip it [30-Jun-24 12:30 AM] jcheung#0000 *son of a bitch, i thought i loaded you* {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1256844386411614218/image.png?ex=6815014c&is=6813afcc&hm=821e4b75918f5bf8afd973b7aabf53c7ac3770eaeab325d707b838445afed276& [30-Jun-24 12:31 AM] jcheung#0000 i really hate the xfer system ๐Ÿ˜‚ [30-Jun-24 12:31 AM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/whatever-shrug-love-lucy-okay-idk-gif-1377867919013175885 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/whatever-shrug-love-lucy-okay-idk-gif-1377867919013175885 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/P_4rT9H0stnv825L64X0dmLIOmtfxCEXXmYrEA0T3b0/https/media.tenor.com/Ex8rknQv4k0AAAAe/whatever-shrug.png [30-Jun-24 12:31 AM] jcheung#0000 loaded 1 instead of 4 [30-Jun-24 12:31 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Ooh forget to hit change amount? [30-Jun-24 12:34 AM] jcheung#0000 yes [30-Jun-24 12:34 AM] jcheung#0000 it's stupid [30-Jun-24 12:34 AM] .urpalhal#0000 It is [30-Jun-24 12:34 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Pointless extra clicks [30-Jun-24 11:16 AM] jcheung#0000 derp. i need to check currency before accepting things... [30-Jun-24 11:16 AM] jcheung#0000 _eyes his new NCC_ [30-Jun-24 11:16 AM] jcheung#0000 what am i gonna do with you [30-Jun-24 11:16 AM] avalock#0000 lmao [30-Jun-24 11:16 AM] Deleted User#0000 Cry and convert it to AIC since who uses NCC.. [30-Jun-24 11:18 AM] evany.#0000 also lovingly referred to as peasants money [30-Jun-24 11:24 AM] jcheung#0000 who the fuck puts a LM on deimos with NCC xD [30-Jun-24 11:30 AM] sidepipe#0000 @jcheung you can send me contracts if you want to swap it 1:1 [30-Jun-24 11:31 AM] jcheung#0000 i'll keep it for now as a monument to my stupidity, but i'll keep that in mind ๐Ÿ˜„ [30-Jun-24 11:31 AM] sidepipe#0000 Sounds good! I try to keep stocks of all currencies, so Iโ€™m happy to do swaps of AIC for anything [30-Jun-24 11:32 AM] evany.#0000 i was so rich at starting the game out [30-Jun-24 11:32 AM] evany.#0000 because it gives you 1k of each currency [30-Jun-24 11:32 AM] sidepipe#0000 Wait, Australis is here? [30-Jun-24 11:32 AM] evany.#0000 that i converted all the currencies to aic [30-Jun-24 11:33 AM] evany.#0000 yes he came back yesterday [30-Jun-24 11:33 AM] evany.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/boo-ghost-spooky-scary-gif-12414614 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/boo-ghost-spooky-scary-gif-12414614 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Whck3TZUlAmPcF-86U04apYcBkA9troxVaQtXTsVYrk/https/media.tenor.com/2WnHD6P1lucAAAAe/boo-ghost.png [30-Jun-24 11:34 AM] sidepipe#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1257011356444393664/IMG_6931.jpg?ex=6814f40d&is=6813a28d&hm=1f97cea5de260542603c1d7c6d6e1cef3666baab5749cfd131f39197494c9e7c& [30-Jun-24 11:34 AM] sidepipe#0000 It must be because I finally demolished all of my 3 permit bases ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ‘† [30-Jun-24 11:36 AM] sidepipe#0000 @Deleted User welcome back ๐Ÿ™‚ [30-Jun-24 11:37 AM] jcheung#0000 hmmm. i should probably restock on FF before i end up stranded ๐Ÿ˜‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [30-Jun-24 11:37 AM] .urpalhal#0000 If you do run out I can be a fuel rat [30-Jun-24 11:37 AM] jcheung#0000 wasn't paying attention ๐Ÿ˜‚ thankfully i have enough to get to ANT another 10 times ๐Ÿ˜„ [30-Jun-24 11:43 AM] Deleted User#0000 Thank you. [30-Jun-24 11:43 AM] Deleted User#0000 Congratulations, I'm glad you've reformed. [30-Jun-24 12:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 Are you back in the game, or just stopping by to visit? [30-Jun-24 12:01 PM] Deleted User#0000 Kinda undecided at the moment. I'm not too convinced I'll come back fully but who knows. [30-Jun-24 12:01 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'll probably just stick around in the Discord. [30-Jun-24 12:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 The discord is half the fun ๐Ÿ˜„ [30-Jun-24 12:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Half? [30-Jun-24 12:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It is the fun [30-Jun-24 12:03 PM] realharvey#0000 its half of the fun. the other half is watching rise and oog fight in local chats for governments {Reactions} ๐Ÿฅด [30-Jun-24 12:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 Real. [30-Jun-24 12:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 Nothing wrong with a bit of drama, keeps everything interesting. [30-Jun-24 12:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 As long as it doesn't go too far. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [30-Jun-24 12:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 Someone has to outsass Jvaler anyway, and given the attitude I received, nobody's kept up with her. [30-Jun-24 12:08 PM] sidepipe#0000 I wonโ€™t even try to ๐Ÿ˜„ [30-Jun-24 12:14 PM] Deleted User#0000 Lol. [30-Jun-24 12:14 PM] Deleted User#0000 I don't blame you. [30-Jun-24 12:50 PM] riseoffilth#0000 HUZZAH [30-Jun-24 01:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Donโ€™t worry I still have my 3 permit base [30-Jun-24 01:30 PM] tanda#0000 I have a two permit base! [30-Jun-24 01:32 PM] evany.#0000 please sir tanda [30-Jun-24 01:32 PM] evany.#0000 elon local market looking a little sketchy [30-Jun-24 01:32 PM] evany.#0000 only 4 day s left of mg [30-Jun-24 01:32 PM] tanda#0000 oh my bad [30-Jun-24 01:32 PM] evany.#0000 its okay i blame jvaler [30-Jun-24 01:35 PM] evany.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1257041722131873823/image.png?ex=68151055&is=6813bed5&hm=83ab4cb08b675e0da7747e5f06aea0b18f0edbb253b393a71008a0e0a86f432f& [30-Jun-24 01:35 PM] evany.#0000 phew. thanks [30-Jun-24 01:35 PM] tanda#0000 thank you! [30-Jun-24 01:35 PM] evany.#0000 my war against yellow continues [30-Jun-24 01:37 PM] riseoffilth#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1257042280125038634/image.png?ex=681510da&is=6813bf5a&hm=18848ec0351679023bf7a8a6166da6f64d7694d144eacfd918a3ba393a4a7c01& [30-Jun-24 05:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 No. [30-Jun-24 05:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 Unacceptable. [30-Jun-24 05:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But HAL [30-Jun-24 05:28 PM] jcheung#0000 maybe i should start a 3 permit base just because ๐Ÿค” [30-Jun-24 05:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You might get banned [30-Jun-24 05:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 [30-Jun-24 05:28 PM] jcheung#0000 well [30-Jun-24 05:28 PM] jcheung#0000 that's a risk i'll have to take [30-Jun-24 05:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Maybe make one later [30-Jun-24 05:31 PM] Deleted User#0000 Rebellion is being incited within #associate-office. [30-Jun-24 05:31 PM] Deleted User#0000 Unacceptable. [30-Jun-24 05:32 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bEyMi.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/penguin-come-at-me-bro-bring-it-on-gif-22020796 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/AGt5Gh947ADkfZOFKowQZZOwMdkPDlXqktt3X9IvKew/https/media.tenor.com/f-P5XT0xatwAAAAe/penguin-come-at-me-bro.png [30-Jun-24 05:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ‘€ [30-Jun-24 05:34 PM] Deleted User#0000 >:( [30-Jun-24 05:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฃ [30-Jun-24 05:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 No Iโ€™m giving insight to the rebels [30-Jun-24 05:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 Banned. [30-Jun-24 06:46 PM] Deleted User#0000 (they weren't actually banned) [30-Jun-24 06:49 PM] jcheung#0000 i have a dumb question [30-Jun-24 06:50 PM] jcheung#0000 the system that has harmonia in it, is there any reason why one of the other worlds wasn't built up to have food industries cogc? [30-Jun-24 06:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Most people make GRN to make C on Harmonia? Not sure just supposition [30-Jun-24 06:51 PM] jcheung#0000 hmm. [30-Jun-24 06:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Also those planets could just suck? [30-Jun-24 06:52 PM] jcheung#0000 i mean, they do, but unless i'm sorely mistaken, which i could be, it looks like 'life' was set up as a hydroponics world [30-Jun-24 06:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 It is, yes. [30-Jun-24 06:52 PM] jcheung#0000 and it's not exactly what i would call pretty [30-Jun-24 06:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 ANT isn't very good for farmland. [30-Jun-24 06:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ANT is good for metals [30-Jun-24 06:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 Give it another 50 years when terraforming becomes a thing and we'll probably see more systems being dedicated to one type of industry. [30-Jun-24 06:54 PM] jcheung#0000 50 years ๐Ÿ˜‚ [30-Jun-24 06:55 PM] evany.#0000 Heโ€™s being generous [30-Jun-24 07:34 PM] jvaler#0000 well that's what norwick is for. afaik the rest of the planets in harmonia's system have at least 1 red environmental condition making them more expensive to build on [30-Jun-24 07:34 PM] jvaler#0000 but norwick is a triple green so it's cheaper to build there [30-Jun-24 07:35 PM] jcheung#0000 i have got to look at adjacent systems more [30-Jun-24 07:35 PM] jcheung#0000 >.> [30-Jun-24 07:36 PM] jvaler#0000 lol yeah [30-Jun-24 07:36 PM] jvaler#0000 there's a place for everything in antares [30-Jun-24 07:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 you can use PrUn planner's planet search function [30-Jun-24 07:46 PM] jcheung#0000 i think i've fried my brain looking at agri stuff [30-Jun-24 07:47 PM] avalock#0000 just donโ€™t have a brain meow [30-Jun-24 07:47 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bHivp.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/cat-oven-gif-22673229 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/_swBtEDbO4_etuscVo0UJlBDLuVvAjxhssi3L1zK_Vg/https/media.tenor.com/Ymjmk3B71GwAAAAe/cat-oven.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ kekstressed [30-Jun-24 07:48 PM] avalock#0000 NOOOOOOO [30-Jun-24 08:53 PM] nyanism#0000 NUUUUUUUU [30-Jun-24 08:54 PM] nyanism#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1257152241228451921/hello-kitty-kitty-anybody-in-there.mov?ex=6814ce83&is=68137d03&hm=5f55f240888d82446d5ed55954429ff18b61ba3d1daaacca2b01241360f70819& [30-Jun-24 08:54 PM] avalock#0000 yoooo it me :3 [30-Jun-24 08:59 PM] jcheung#0000 alrighty then [30-Jun-24 09:00 PM] jcheung#0000 5 hours making a plan and then throwing it away ๐Ÿ˜„ [30-Jun-24 09:00 PM] jcheung#0000 my head [30-Jun-24 09:00 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bDs9R.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/psyduck-gif-21760865 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/iUUTYYWy_U9_dAdrnm9y2ues421IbSSiGU2w2A85R3M/https/media.tenor.com/Rc1GWDr71WIAAAAe/psyduck.png [30-Jun-24 09:03 PM] avalock#0000 lmfao [30-Jun-24 09:03 PM] avalock#0000 i get that [30-Jun-24 09:21 PM] nyanism#0000 You are on the right track, next step is to wake up tmr, spend another 5 hours, then realizing its exactly the same thing you came up with the day before, and scrap it again [30-Jun-24 09:22 PM] jcheung#0000 well [30-Jun-24 09:22 PM] jcheung#0000 if i do that i'll at least do it in a different spot [30-Jun-24 09:23 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm not *quite* bad enough to do the *exact* same thing [01-Jul-24 06:30 AM] avalock#0000 gm [01-Jul-24 06:36 AM] tanda#0000 greetings [01-Jul-24 06:46 AM] razenpok#0000 :blobwave: [01-Jul-24 07:10 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m so tired rn [01-Jul-24 07:22 AM] jvaler#0000 me 2 [01-Jul-24 07:24 AM] tanda#0000 me 3 [01-Jul-24 07:24 AM] tanda#0000 off to work for 12 hours [01-Jul-24 07:37 AM] Deleted User#0000 Same. [01-Jul-24 07:48 AM] avalock#0000 good luck o7 [01-Jul-24 07:48 AM] avalock#0000 good luck as well o7 [01-Jul-24 07:49 AM] Deleted User#0000 Ty. [01-Jul-24 07:49 AM] avalock#0000 of course:3 [01-Jul-24 08:48 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I love work [01-Jul-24 08:50 AM] avalock#0000 how goes the work :3 [01-Jul-24 08:50 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m currently in bed dreading going to work [01-Jul-24 08:50 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I get to bike to work today ๐Ÿฅด [01-Jul-24 08:50 AM] avalock#0000 aw [01-Jul-24 08:51 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Allergies suck ๐Ÿคง [01-Jul-24 08:52 AM] avalock#0000 true :c [01-Jul-24 08:52 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Funnily enough I got up and packed my wifeโ€™s and I lunch. Started building a ship on PrUn and then got back in bed [01-Jul-24 08:52 AM] avalock#0000 lmfao [01-Jul-24 08:53 AM] avalock#0000 thank you for the AEF btw! [01-Jul-24 08:53 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yesh ofc [01-Jul-24 08:53 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I actually ended up needing some myself ๐Ÿซข [01-Jul-24 08:54 AM] avalock#0000 the next thing i need is a shit ton of INS [01-Jul-24 08:55 AM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/yay-minions-happiness-happy-excited-gif-17026399 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/yay-minions-happiness-happy-excited-gif-17026399 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/8Qgl6tUnK6uMMJ6DQgvDcCSYpTNE1TWg_vfJAxD3CNQ/https/media.tenor.com/pU-0IlHK8tQAAAAe/yay-minions.png [01-Jul-24 08:55 AM] avalock#0000 KEVIN yipeeee [01-Jul-24 10:28 AM] jcheung#0000 Bleh, wish i had a faster ship... [01-Jul-24 10:28 AM] jcheung#0000 Bigger wouldn't hurt either [01-Jul-24 10:30 AM] realharvey#0000 there will be a time, where buying a ship is less expensive than getting another permit [01-Jul-24 10:49 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1257362550681632809/image0.gif?ex=6814e9a0&is=68139820&hm=9807f77f37f3be1ccd6cb145f0a690800bfbbbdeddcff9b46d4f82e331c3ae19& [01-Jul-24 11:07 AM] razenpok#0000 Should we have a separate shipping channel? I don't know how it goes for late-game players, but in the early game, I sure fly empty a lot of times and can offer shipping opportunities here and there [01-Jul-24 11:11 AM] evany.#0000 I wondered about that too [01-Jul-24 11:22 AM] jcheung#0000 i'd be down for that [01-Jul-24 11:23 AM] jvaler#0000 i'll make a channel for that [01-Jul-24 11:42 AM] jvaler#0000 okay it's made is the bot message okay? or is the "time-sensitive" too restricting? [01-Jul-24 11:42 AM] jvaler#0000 i just feel like any recurring shipping offers will get drowned out so it's not worth bothering with [01-Jul-24 11:44 AM] razenpok#0000 Maybe put "one-off" in the message instead? [01-Jul-24 11:44 AM] razenpok#0000 And yea, recurring offers will get drowned out [01-Jul-24 11:46 AM] jvaler#0000 i could just make a separate channel like KAWA has [01-Jul-24 10:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Woot woot new ship in 10โ€™hours [01-Jul-24 10:28 PM] Deleted User#0000 Congrats, how many you up to now? [01-Jul-24 10:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Just 3 [01-Jul-24 10:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I forgot to buy a FFC [01-Jul-24 10:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But this one is a 2k2k Funtime [01-Jul-24 10:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Think imma call it Wailord [01-Jul-24 10:37 PM] tanda#0000 my next ship is going to be a 2k|2k STL only ship for Thalassa {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [01-Jul-24 10:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah I need help else where in the galaxy [01-Jul-24 10:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 uh let see [01-Jul-24 10:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have 11 permits [01-Jul-24 10:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so minus the 2 extra I have in Halcyon [01-Jul-24 10:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 9 bases [01-Jul-24 10:38 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I'm only at 8 with a double permit [01-Jul-24 10:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I *could* have 11 bases [01-Jul-24 10:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but man oh man would that be too muchrn [01-Jul-24 10:41 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I've also got 11 permits. I'm trying to focus on staying close to CX or colonizing entire systems [01-Jul-24 10:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 wanna buy me a new one ๐Ÿฅบ :givelove: (jokes of course) [01-Jul-24 10:41 PM] tanda#0000 hence my new presence on ZV-194b and plans on the SE-110 system [01-Jul-24 10:41 PM] tanda#0000 logistically my empire is not complex (I have no idea how you manage the raw output of that HAL base) [01-Jul-24 10:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ya know [01-Jul-24 10:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I'm not sure [01-Jul-24 10:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 my current situation {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1257542503087997000/Screenshot_2024-07-01_214445.png?ex=6814e878&is=681396f8&hm=998941631e4bde2463d561042432e9d1a99c8bb3680f672c66a75397b879a773& [01-Jul-24 10:45 PM] tanda#0000 well good news is I'm trying to double my HAL demand [01-Jul-24 10:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 bad news, some GTU joe shmoe had the same idea as me {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1257542808877793361/Screenshot_2024-07-01_214542.png?ex=6814e8c1&is=68139741&hm=dd1ce41b6c90c7ee2fc28619b049936abbc1957b853f902476d636e3f4643e40& [01-Jul-24 10:46 PM] tanda#0000 welp, I'm not going to be buying from him [01-Jul-24 10:46 PM] tanda#0000 have you started your own CHP base for CL production yet? [01-Jul-24 10:46 PM] tanda#0000 that market is a bottomless pit [01-Jul-24 10:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have a CHP [01-Jul-24 10:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but its making FLX and NS [01-Jul-24 10:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I'm selling it to AA [01-Jul-24 10:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so maybe a griffstone base will be in my near future [01-Jul-24 10:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 anywho I need so much food [01-Jul-24 10:48 PM] tanda#0000 yes, this is why I want to go to Thalassa [01-Jul-24 10:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 same but I'm making 320 C/d there [01-Jul-24 10:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so not making any food [01-Jul-24 10:51 PM] tanda#0000 that's okay, I can triple permit ISA and feed either DW or RAT production [01-Jul-24 10:52 PM] tanda#0000 I should really start up a coop project for that system here soon [01-Jul-24 10:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well like my HYF feeds just C [01-Jul-24 10:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 um Kevin [01-Jul-24 10:53 PM] tanda#0000 kevin is for INS, silly [01-Jul-24 10:53 PM] tanda#0000 this one is going to be gregory [01-Jul-24 10:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Thalassa needs too many INS [01-Jul-24 10:53 PM] tanda#0000 true, we are still looking for one more PE and two more INS spaces [01-Jul-24 10:53 PM] tanda#0000 but if nothing else, the internal market will be well supplied [01-Jul-24 11:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 we must recruit harder [01-Jul-24 11:20 PM] tanda#0000 I've brought in 3 or so people over the last few weeks. Hopefully they work out [01-Jul-24 11:20 PM] tanda#0000 after discussion with jvaler, I'm not spamming recruit links everywhere, but if I have a lot of contact with people or see people just looking for a community, I invite them in [01-Jul-24 11:24 PM] jcheung#0000 gah. that ship arriving was very jarring, knocked me out of planing mode [01-Jul-24 11:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Quality not quantity [01-Jul-24 11:26 PM] tanda#0000 hm, if I stop producing TUB and RG I can supply building 10 LTA a day [01-Jul-24 11:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Nice [02-Jul-24 02:28 AM] razenpok#0000 What's your opinion on expired/filled offers in #shipping ? Should they be deleted or just left there? [02-Jul-24 02:59 AM] jcheung#0000 i'll delete my own, idk about everyone else ๐Ÿคท [02-Jul-24 05:15 AM] akyantor#0000 I'd probably favour deleting expired/filled orders [02-Jul-24 05:15 AM] akyantor#0000 Makes it easy to see what's live [02-Jul-24 05:21 AM] razenpok#0000 The one thing I'm concerned about with deleting is "hmm I could swear I saw an offer right there a minute ago" situation [02-Jul-24 05:21 AM] razenpok#0000 Not sure if that's an actual issue though [02-Jul-24 06:25 AM] avalock#0000 good morning o/ {Reactions} blobwave (2) [02-Jul-24 07:49 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m so tired [02-Jul-24 07:50 AM] avalock#0000 https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-anime-sad-gif-15766025 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-anime-sad-gif-15766025 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/o_5C3a8FPC3xTiZzdX3kbNUhI73ho47kyfnUpyUo930/https/media.tenor.com/pXOr2_eK_jQAAAAe/sleepy-anime.png [02-Jul-24 07:46 PM] tanda#0000 hmm, ALO price is getting stupid again [02-Jul-24 07:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Good thing I make more ALO [02-Jul-24 08:10 PM] tanda#0000 alright, it's restock week [02-Jul-24 08:10 PM] tanda#0000 time to pour 1.2mil down the money making drain [02-Jul-24 08:10 PM] jcheung#0000 I've learned that feed stock is more expensive than it might initially appear >.> [02-Jul-24 08:12 PM] tanda#0000 it is indeed [02-Jul-24 08:13 PM] jcheung#0000 Granted i did choose to buy more than i strictly need in the short term, but still [02-Jul-24 08:13 PM] tanda#0000 one of these days I'll start doing my buy orders and letting them fill for a month, rather than buy from sell orders [02-Jul-24 08:13 PM] jcheung#0000 I need a bigger ship is what i need lol [02-Jul-24 08:14 PM] tanda#0000 you will get there [02-Jul-24 08:14 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1257867101688041482/Screenshot_2024-07-02_181437.png?ex=6814c547&is=681373c7&hm=5d6c3faf1ee8f71d9a878a52708841d5e6475f85968b9aa0fb48e4d01aa5011a& [02-Jul-24 08:16 PM] jcheung#0000 Maybe things will calm down once my initial fill of these places are done [02-Jul-24 08:17 PM] jcheung#0000 Especially once i get over my desire to not use up a ton of fuel per trip >.> [02-Jul-24 08:18 PM] tanda#0000 thankfully during the week I just chill and route my ships around my wakeup and home arrival times [02-Jul-24 08:18 PM] tanda#0000 during the weekend is when I get tempted to accelerate [02-Jul-24 08:18 PM] tanda#0000 my fuel depots are actually pretty close to exhausted [02-Jul-24 08:19 PM] jcheung#0000 It's annoying when an extra 100 fuel gets you only like half an hour off [02-Jul-24 08:21 PM] jcheung#0000 I know it's only 1.5k but that's not exactly little to me ๐Ÿ˜‚ [02-Jul-24 08:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So donโ€™t use the extra 100 fuel [02-Jul-24 08:34 PM] jcheung#0000 Either that or ship sits idle for 10 hrs [02-Jul-24 08:45 PM] tanda#0000 that's been my life lately [02-Jul-24 08:55 PM] jvaler#0000 undisputed queen of PT confirmed {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1257877313505460328/image.png?ex=6814cec9&is=68137d49&hm=3ab3ce70598ef7152e54545ba6797021889137ebb77d0c691c054449013277e5& [02-Jul-24 08:56 PM] avalock#0000 grats queen [02-Jul-24 08:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/slay-zendaya-girl-yes-yass-gif-8836657 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/slay-zendaya-girl-yes-yass-gif-8836657 Zendaya Slay https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/RZH8TT2fqwylXb1JZRYQn4sqva961dDm5ZSNFnweFfA/https/media.tenor.com/_9saRRNuug4AAAAe/slay-zendaya.png [02-Jul-24 08:56 PM] jvaler#0000 i'mma MM PT at 450/u just cause [02-Jul-24 08:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok [02-Jul-24 08:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ve got competition for HAL ๐Ÿฅด [02-Jul-24 08:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think I need another base [02-Jul-24 08:57 PM] jvaler#0000 oh no :( [02-Jul-24 08:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh yes [02-Jul-24 08:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 More HAL [02-Jul-24 08:58 PM] jvaler#0000 wait true [02-Jul-24 08:59 PM] jvaler#0000 you could do a funny goofy and be the first to re-colonize apothecary ever since last universe [02-Jul-24 08:59 PM] jvaler#0000 but IY-028b is probably the more reasonable pick [02-Jul-24 09:00 PM] jvaler#0000 ~~well that or KI-439b, but it's kinda far for resource extraction~~ nvm that's metallurgy CoGC [02-Jul-24 09:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Or there is one with HAL and Chem CoGC [02-Jul-24 09:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 IE customers [02-Jul-24 09:00 PM] jvaler#0000 IY-028b has chem CoGC [02-Jul-24 09:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh nice [02-Jul-24 09:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Maybe that was the one I was looking at [02-Jul-24 09:01 PM] jvaler#0000 wait IY-028b has roganartu as gov rn [02-Jul-24 09:02 PM] jvaler#0000 it'll probably be abandoned like aceland soon [02-Jul-24 09:02 PM] jvaler#0000 you could jump in [02-Jul-24 09:02 PM] jvaler#0000 double HAL gov [02-Jul-24 09:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Hal take over [02-Jul-24 09:02 PM] jvaler#0000 yessss [02-Jul-24 09:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ll just become the PrUn messiah [02-Jul-24 09:02 PM] jvaler#0000 savior of chemistry [02-Jul-24 09:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ll grow out my hair IRl [02-Jul-24 09:03 PM] jcheung#0000 Name it some other Hal themed name [02-Jul-24 09:03 PM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/dune-part-2-part-two-paul-atreides-gif-3004313211967113463 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/dune-part-2-part-two-paul-atreides-gif-3004313211967113463 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/P94KDE7pdDQ0Tz7MmYQfIF4GK3pTg4DEhS6x5QLXikg/https/media.tenor.com/KbF28uFQCPcAAAAe/dune-part-2.png [02-Jul-24 09:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Idk if I can name it again [02-Jul-24 09:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Maybe I could name the system [02-Jul-24 09:04 PM] jvaler#0000 if you rebuy the package you could [02-Jul-24 09:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh [02-Jul-24 09:04 PM] jvaler#0000 but that's a lot of money..... [02-Jul-24 09:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I can do that? [02-Jul-24 09:04 PM] jvaler#0000 you can, just need to contact molp [02-Jul-24 09:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh lol [02-Jul-24 09:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I like to [02-Jul-24 09:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Not bother molp [02-Jul-24 09:04 PM] jvaler#0000 molp won't say no to money lmao [02-Jul-24 09:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol true [02-Jul-24 09:05 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1257879939026522143/image0.gif?ex=6814d13b&is=68137fbb&hm=f523f2401e173afcd868557fa9c9f98566560710d42fffcdf1e491ce4cd8e5a5& [02-Jul-24 09:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Too bad imma be broke [02-Jul-24 09:06 PM] jvaler#0000 don't ๐Ÿ˜ญ [02-Jul-24 09:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 No [02-Jul-24 09:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like I can buy [02-Jul-24 09:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Canโ€™t [02-Jul-24 09:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Bc imma be broke and have no money for games [02-Jul-24 09:07 PM] avalock#0000 aw :c [02-Jul-24 09:07 PM] jvaler#0000 ohh [02-Jul-24 09:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah ๐Ÿซข [02-Jul-24 09:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Grad school [02-Jul-24 09:07 PM] jcheung#0000 I'm struggling right now qith a decision... [02-Jul-24 09:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Pray tell [02-Jul-24 09:08 PM] jcheung#0000 Pro for a month, then basic, or pro for a year [02-Jul-24 09:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Idk [02-Jul-24 09:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Not *my* money [02-Jul-24 09:08 PM] avalock#0000 do you see yourself playing in 6 months {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [02-Jul-24 09:09 PM] jcheung#0000 *pulls out his mystical seer orb* [02-Jul-24 09:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Do you *like* the game [02-Jul-24 09:10 PM] jcheung#0000 I so far don't *dislike* the game. As for liking it, i believe I've been told my brain is broke and i don't know how to like things. Too late for a refund [02-Jul-24 09:10 PM] avalock#0000 that sounds too abusive to buy something imo lol [02-Jul-24 09:10 PM] avalock#0000 you know what i mean [02-Jul-24 09:11 PM] avalock#0000 ? [02-Jul-24 09:11 PM] jvaler#0000 i've seen at least 2 (maybe 3? i forgor) PRO sales in my time playing. a year might be too much when you could get a ~~20%~~ 15% discount later [02-Jul-24 09:11 PM] jcheung#0000 There be discounts? [02-Jul-24 09:11 PM] jcheung#0000 Hmmm [02-Jul-24 09:11 PM] jcheung#0000 Hmmmmmmmmmm [02-Jul-24 09:11 PM] jvaler#0000 mhm. they're pretty spontaneous though [02-Jul-24 09:11 PM] jcheung#0000 Well fuck [02-Jul-24 09:12 PM] jvaler#0000 most recent one was back in april, spring themed. it was 15% off i bought 6 months for it :P [02-Jul-24 09:13 PM] avalock#0000 *also likeโ€ฆ information you can get from pro you can prob get from places running TIO* *the only big thing is automatic unload but theres an unload button* [02-Jul-24 09:13 PM] jcheung#0000 Tio? [02-Jul-24 09:13 PM] avalock#0000 FIO [02-Jul-24 09:13 PM] avalock#0000 idk [02-Jul-24 09:13 PM] jcheung#0000 Also the stuff pro gives is more than just that unfortunately {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [02-Jul-24 09:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah I bought like 6 months [02-Jul-24 09:13 PM] jcheung#0000 Queue management mostly is what I'll miss [02-Jul-24 09:13 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m a goofy pup rn [02-Jul-24 09:14 PM] jvaler#0000 real [02-Jul-24 09:14 PM] avalock#0000 https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble-gif-26762341 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble-gif-26762341 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/0ctVaB5IyqrM7bZO8u4lenmAKNqh_Uf6nfFy2rZo62c/https/media.tenor.com/OdsBIe4UiEsAAAAe/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble.png [02-Jul-24 09:14 PM] jcheung#0000 I'd miss auto unload *if i didn't miss putting it on almost every time* [02-Jul-24 09:14 PM] jvaler#0000 it becomes a habit after a while lol [02-Jul-24 09:14 PM] avalock#0000 i have pro but i will prob be playing for the next 6 months lol [02-Jul-24 09:15 PM] jcheung#0000 I seem to only remember now when i don't need it [02-Jul-24 09:15 PM] tanda#0000 wasnt't there literally just an emailed discount code for politics update? [02-Jul-24 09:15 PM] jvaler#0000 wait really? [02-Jul-24 09:15 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m going away from most games and prun doesnโ€™t feel game like to me {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [02-Jul-24 09:16 PM] avalock#0000 ~~but honestly if i wanted to do some silly fun things i would consider doing a python macro~~ [02-Jul-24 09:16 PM] tanda#0000 there was, it already expired on the 30th [02-Jul-24 09:16 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't see that email, all i see is updates from the forums [02-Jul-24 09:16 PM] jvaler#0000 being able to play the game while not playing it lets me not make myself feel bad about wasting my time [02-Jul-24 09:16 PM] avalock#0000 ~~which would be on an alt account on a far away IP so it doesnโ€™t get traced back to me~~ [02-Jul-24 09:17 PM] avalock#0000 idk i enjoy feeling like a subsidiary of a conglomerate, i donโ€™t plan stuff out I just mine [02-Jul-24 09:18 PM] jcheung#0000 hmmm. planetary exploration at aceland ๐Ÿค” [02-Jul-24 09:18 PM] tanda#0000 that makes it sound like you're working a job! [02-Jul-24 09:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Are you going to go to Aceland? [02-Jul-24 09:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Otherwise donโ€™t accept [02-Jul-24 09:18 PM] avalock#0000 yeah but Itโ€™s roleplay in a way, and i get to be silly with cool people [02-Jul-24 09:18 PM] tanda#0000 that is fair [02-Jul-24 09:18 PM] jvaler#0000 if it's indefinite deadline do accept, i'm sure you'll go there eventually :P [02-Jul-24 09:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 True [02-Jul-24 09:19 PM] avalock#0000 also i donโ€™t have a ||redacted words that would not be good in this server|| boss [02-Jul-24 09:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I only get those for shipment one tho [02-Jul-24 09:19 PM] avalock#0000 unless someone wanted to be my boss [02-Jul-24 09:19 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1257883417077612696/image.png?ex=6814d478&is=681382f8&hm=7d8dd22a14d13ee483556f337113270dfab5b77b6cfa37669666cd6388c3d7a2& [02-Jul-24 09:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Interesting [02-Jul-24 09:19 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm sure those antares officials are pissed at me [02-Jul-24 09:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ve got two like that [02-Jul-24 09:20 PM] tanda#0000 I finally got rid of my oldest faction contract [02-Jul-24 09:20 PM] tanda#0000 I was quite happy [02-Jul-24 09:20 PM] avalock#0000 wait yโ€™all have long standing contracts? [02-Jul-24 09:20 PM] jcheung#0000 crap [02-Jul-24 09:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Also needing RFABs for my HQ upgrades makes me sad [02-Jul-24 09:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I canโ€™t make them myself ๐Ÿฅด [02-Jul-24 09:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 AFABs will make me sadder [02-Jul-24 09:22 PM] jcheung#0000 and no, aceland cont isn't indefinite unfortunately [02-Jul-24 09:22 PM] tanda#0000 I had a faction transport contract to Antares 1-g that I let sit there for 4 months {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (3) [02-Jul-24 09:23 PM] jvaler#0000 "this little mosquito flippe- wait no that's lower than they bought it for... lmao" {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1257884336888221810/image.png?ex=6814d554&is=681383d4&hm=c4c698793bf452d51175249f5829c75a5058a58f45a98bdb86ced7629925fb7a& [02-Jul-24 09:23 PM] avalock#0000 another reason why a loan would be bad for me in game, it would add to my crippling anxiety ๐Ÿ˜… [02-Jul-24 09:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ve got one to a weird planet in the same system as nascent [02-Jul-24 09:23 PM] jvaler#0000 i've accidentally accepted something just like that before lol [02-Jul-24 09:24 PM] tanda#0000 I definitely thought it was for an inner planet when I accepted it [02-Jul-24 09:25 PM] tanda#0000 stored that shipment at ANT, only got rid of it a week ago [02-Jul-24 09:25 PM] jvaler#0000 "oh that's in-system! piece of cake" on that day jvaler learned about STL flight times {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [02-Jul-24 09:26 PM] avalock#0000 this might be a silly question [02-Jul-24 09:26 PM] avalock#0000 would it be faster to ftl out then back in for it [02-Jul-24 09:26 PM] jvaler#0000 it would actually [02-Jul-24 09:26 PM] jvaler#0000 that's a common strat [02-Jul-24 09:26 PM] tanda#0000 that's actually what I finally wound up doing [02-Jul-24 09:26 PM] tanda#0000 because in system flight time was like 30 hours [02-Jul-24 09:27 PM] avalock#0000 :o [02-Jul-24 09:27 PM] jvaler#0000 reduces damage and reduces time, but requires more micro [02-Jul-24 09:27 PM] avalock#0000 ahhh worm [02-Jul-24 09:27 PM] jvaler#0000 worm [02-Jul-24 09:27 PM] avalock#0000 ye {Reactions} ๐Ÿชฑ [02-Jul-24 09:28 PM] avalock#0000 am i being too goofy [02-Jul-24 09:28 PM] jvaler#0000 no i like it [02-Jul-24 09:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 (pinned) [02-Jul-24 09:28 PM] avalock#0000 okok goob [02-Jul-24 09:28 PM] jvaler#0000 i imagine it's a purposeful misspelling of word [02-Jul-24 09:28 PM] jvaler#0000 but idk [02-Jul-24 09:28 PM] avalock#0000 yeag! [02-Jul-24 09:29 PM] jvaler#0000 you have to secure #1 HAL prod [02-Jul-24 09:29 PM] jvaler#0000 else your company is forfeit [02-Jul-24 09:29 PM] avalock#0000 no longer #1 hal -> coliq [02-Jul-24 09:29 PM] tanda#0000 ooh it's multiple choice! [02-Jul-24 09:30 PM] jvaler#0000 ooh [02-Jul-24 09:30 PM] avalock#0000 nvm i wonโ€™t vote {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฟ (2) [02-Jul-24 09:30 PM] jvaler#0000 Pinned a message. [02-Jul-24 09:31 PM] tanda#0000 the most on brand option is definitely HAL expansion [02-Jul-24 09:31 PM] tanda#0000 but that sounds like a transport pain that you might want to put off [02-Jul-24 09:31 PM] avalock#0000 Iโ€™m sorry @jvaler iโ€™m bad at making decisions ;-; [02-Jul-24 09:31 PM] jvaler#0000 that's okay lol [02-Jul-24 09:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 If I sell it on planet no problem [02-Jul-24 09:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Whack all the buttons? [02-Jul-24 09:32 PM] avalock#0000 tempting [02-Jul-24 09:32 PM] jvaler#0000 this might also be an option for reliable export https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1257772474763055249 [02-Jul-24 09:33 PM] tanda#0000 my current obligations in kevin are done for now, how about if I took out a loan and dropped an ISA base and we did some FP's for drinking water? [02-Jul-24 09:33 PM] avalock#0000 you set up so fast, iโ€™m so slow with the argon ๐Ÿ˜ญ [02-Jul-24 09:34 PM] tanda#0000 that option is open to anyone, but Hal has no base on SE-110a [02-Jul-24 09:34 PM] tanda#0000 you are good, you have a week, and INS base owners are liable for transport [02-Jul-24 09:34 PM] tanda#0000 so I have to come get it [02-Jul-24 09:34 PM] avalock#0000 true true [02-Jul-24 09:35 PM] avalock#0000 the INS for me is the big part [02-Jul-24 09:35 PM] avalock#0000 but iโ€™m nearly funded for all of it [02-Jul-24 09:35 PM] avalock#0000 and then the rest shouldnt be terrible [02-Jul-24 09:35 PM] tanda#0000 oh, I thought you already had the base setup, silly me [02-Jul-24 09:36 PM] avalock#0000 no ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [02-Jul-24 09:36 PM] tanda#0000 I'm only doing 1.1k a day right now due to lack of workforce, but POPR is only 5 days away [02-Jul-24 09:36 PM] tanda#0000 I'll have enough INS on hand to sell by that point [02-Jul-24 09:37 PM] avalock#0000 worm, how much would you want for the uhhhh [02-Jul-24 09:37 PM] tanda#0000 I need to do some maintenance on my #internal-offers post [02-Jul-24 09:37 PM] tanda#0000 give me a sec, I'll get a price [02-Jul-24 09:38 PM] avalock#0000 sounds good [02-Jul-24 09:38 PM] avalock#0000 i gotta find how much i need [02-Jul-24 09:39 PM] avalock#0000 3,900 [02-Jul-24 09:39 PM] tanda#0000 looks like a good internal point after the price breaks in kevin I should be able to offer it at 110 internally [02-Jul-24 09:39 PM] tanda#0000 man, I just saw the buy orders, if we're targeting 115 on the ANT market we have a huge task ahead of us [02-Jul-24 09:40 PM] avalock#0000 i have the 429k rn so whenever i can drop by iโ€™ll do that [02-Jul-24 09:41 PM] avalock#0000 cause 3900 @ 110 = 429k [02-Jul-24 09:42 PM] tanda#0000 okay, no rush. I've only had time to make 1.8k [02-Jul-24 09:42 PM] tanda#0000 probably around 36-40 hours [02-Jul-24 09:42 PM] avalock#0000 worm, iโ€™ll grab some other supplies i need then [02-Jul-24 09:46 PM] tanda#0000 okay, got INS and LHP added to my internal offers [02-Jul-24 09:46 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bxOfh.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/qbert-game-fun-swearing-cursing-gif-20411957 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/UsBCy52QkQAqxOvu4YZAwlEHV7J_wVmX0oy3h7hYubI/https/media.tenor.com/saq4txiPs30AAAAe/qbert-game.png [02-Jul-24 09:46 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, it's not really a thing [02-Jul-24 09:47 PM] tanda#0000 Only useful when my base is out of or will run out of resources before the ship gets there [02-Jul-24 09:47 PM] tanda#0000 because it can instantly restart production while I am asleep [02-Jul-24 09:47 PM] avalock#0000 lol when my ship is enroute and the burn timers are like <1 day [02-Jul-24 09:47 PM] avalock#0000 the auto unlod [02-Jul-24 09:48 PM] avalock#0000 โ€œunlodโ€ [02-Jul-24 09:48 PM] avalock#0000 god i cant spell [02-Jul-24 09:50 PM] tanda#0000 I do wish I could turn it on midflight {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Jul-24 09:50 PM] avalock#0000 same! [02-Jul-24 09:50 PM] tanda#0000 it shouldn't be hard if it weren't for the fact that it locks the flight into stone on launching [02-Jul-24 09:51 PM] avalock#0000 sorry this is so offtopic [02-Jul-24 09:51 PM] avalock#0000 water tastes so good [02-Jul-24 09:52 PM] tanda#0000 some water does, yeah [02-Jul-24 09:52 PM] tanda#0000 gonna go get some to go with this whiskey [02-Jul-24 09:52 PM] jcheung#0000 https://discord.com/channels/350171287785701388/562636398671298574/1257398015107272765 this dude insists it can't be done, and i think he's full of it [02-Jul-24 09:52 PM] avalock#0000 enjoy! [02-Jul-24 09:52 PM] jcheung#0000 midflight unload on arrival, that is [02-Jul-24 09:53 PM] avalock#0000 lol its probably better i donโ€™t drink around here but thats #associate-offtopic talk [02-Jul-24 09:53 PM] avalock#0000 or well in general [02-Jul-24 10:11 PM] jcheung#0000 can someone walk an idiot through how increasing pop works? [02-Jul-24 10:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes [02-Jul-24 10:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So VC [02-Jul-24 10:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 bye [02-Jul-24 10:20 PM] avalock#0000 bye! [02-Jul-24 10:21 PM] avalock#0000 i just wanted to see cause i was nosy [02-Jul-24 10:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 anyone know why you would run Engineer Immigration program on Astraeus [02-Jul-24 10:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 are they trying to make more engineering stuffs there? [02-Jul-24 11:34 PM] riseoffilth#0000 someone said "I need 100 engineers" and said they would pay, then an hour later said "oops" [03-Jul-24 12:56 AM] jcheung#0000 i wonder, how many times can i only remember about this right after i freakin send off the ships [03-Jul-24 04:20 AM] razenpok#0000 :Tasty: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1257989400789520414/image.png?ex=68148e6d&is=68133ced&hm=30cab4a08992a0cd148219908a2cac8042a76914b0951e7bb871eb0247a8f101& [03-Jul-24 04:22 AM] razenpok#0000 Hongry Hortus Honks [03-Jul-24 11:12 AM] .urpalhal#0000 So with the 4th of July.... I'm convinced that I'm going to have a few bases screech to a halt {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿ‡ฒ ๐Ÿ‡บ ๐Ÿ‡ท ๐Ÿ‡ฎ ๐Ÿ‡จ ๐Ÿ‡ฆ [03-Jul-24 11:12 AM] .urpalhal#0000 bc I'm going camping [03-Jul-24 11:13 AM] jcheung#0000 for how long ๐Ÿ˜… [03-Jul-24 11:14 AM] .urpalhal#0000 well tomorrow I can play [03-Jul-24 11:14 AM] .urpalhal#0000 but then camping is just two days [03-Jul-24 11:14 AM] .urpalhal#0000 but I've got like 3 bases that need supplies this weekend [03-Jul-24 11:15 AM] avalock#0000 giving your workers a break while youโ€™re on break :3 [03-Jul-24 11:15 AM] .urpalhal#0000 lol yeah [03-Jul-24 11:15 AM] jcheung#0000 set some LMs and hope they're filled while you're out? ๐Ÿ˜“ [03-Jul-24 11:17 AM] .urpalhal#0000 maybe? [03-Jul-24 11:17 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean I have today [03-Jul-24 11:17 AM] .urpalhal#0000 and tomorrow to get everything in order [03-Jul-24 11:21 AM] .urpalhal#0000 hopefully my consumable order for Elon gets filled today [03-Jul-24 11:21 AM] .urpalhal#0000 can get consumables for Nascent [03-Jul-24 11:22 AM] .urpalhal#0000 and get some ALO, C, O and FLX shipped over to deimoss [03-Jul-24 03:45 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿป 2nd expert at hep. Wonder how long til it's up fully [03-Jul-24 03:55 PM] igfloz#0000 full tile of FRM (500) ? [03-Jul-24 05:24 PM] tanda#0000 A minute. I think Hal's base on Halcyon took 50 days to fill out [03-Jul-24 05:34 PM] jvaler#0000 heph can't do FRM [03-Jul-24 05:34 PM] jvaler#0000 depends on your building count [03-Jul-24 05:34 PM] jvaler#0000 is it 20 BMP or 9 WPL? or a mix? [03-Jul-24 05:35 PM] jcheung#0000 Mix bmp wpl [03-Jul-24 05:35 PM] jvaler#0000 hm [03-Jul-24 05:35 PM] igfloz#0000 dammit, I'm suffering from bad brain -harm=FRM [03-Jul-24 05:36 PM] igfloz#0000 jeez, I typed exactly the same thing 1 st time (hep=FRM), edited now [03-Jul-24 05:39 PM] jvaler#0000 ohhhh [03-Jul-24 05:39 PM] jvaler#0000 lol [04-Jul-24 02:49 PM] razenpok#0000 Oh man, I lost all the XIT FIN historical data :blobdead: [04-Jul-24 02:49 PM] razenpok#0000 I've made a fork of pmmg to add a new feature (:pog: ), and forgot to export the data before reinstalling [04-Jul-24 02:50 PM] tanda#0000 oops [04-Jul-24 02:51 PM] tanda#0000 I wish I could figure out how to delete mine [04-Jul-24 02:51 PM] tanda#0000 This isn't very helpful anymore {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1258510548862107709/Screenshot_2024-07-04_125114.png?ex=68147988&is=68132808&hm=389908e7f1c018e79cc2f96b6b58d01fe21156afd60a97175fa5ea4ec76998ac& [04-Jul-24 02:51 PM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1258510618240090122/image.png?ex=68147999&is=68132819&hm=9d0605655683b445c267c144b8475499556b3f8aeb80325830d0df0eda476e34& [04-Jul-24 02:52 PM] tanda#0000 ah sweet thanks [05-Jul-24 03:30 PM] avalock#0000 i feel that [05-Jul-24 03:31 PM] razesdark#0000 Im not having a stroke i promise [05-Jul-24 03:32 PM] avalock#0000 nah i get it lmfao [05-Jul-24 09:04 PM] tanda#0000 @helminsted @puncher23 in general we try to move discussion out of the airlock pretty quickly, so people can track comings and goings [05-Jul-24 09:04 PM] helminsted#0000 sorry xD i was excited [05-Jul-24 09:04 PM] tanda#0000 if you have any questions, or just want some general advice, feel free to ask away? [05-Jul-24 09:04 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 What's a fuel planet in ANT ? Don't really know them [05-Jul-24 09:05 PM] tanda#0000 looks like we only have two options: ZV-759e and LS-746b [05-Jul-24 09:05 PM] avalock#0000 being excited is common :3 {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [05-Jul-24 09:06 PM] tanda#0000 neither is great for fuel refining resources, but LS-746b is cheap to set up on and ZV-759e is close to the CX [05-Jul-24 09:07 PM] tanda#0000 @puncher23 it's a bit more advanced, and a bit more expensive, but I just moved my PP2's and LST consumption next door to ZV-194b from Nike (but only because I needed Nike for #kevin-operations [05-Jul-24 09:08 PM] avalock#0000 @puncher23 potential LST friend o/ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1258967799653728326/image.png?ex=6814d1e1&is=68138061&hm=da1d12c521106d37c494f63a1c0385dbc258ca71aab258ad53c962a25fa37b19& [05-Jul-24 09:08 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 @puncher23 We also have a slot for a PE producing base if you are interested [05-Jul-24 09:08 PM] helminsted#0000 so then! when is a good time to start the moving? realistically i'll keep my current base in Katoa but move my HQ and center attention to Antaries space [05-Jul-24 09:09 PM] avalock#0000 @histidinedwarf btw do you like my bars ๐Ÿคฃ I built the top one myself [05-Jul-24 09:10 PM] tanda#0000 how's your logistics just supporting Katoa? can you manage with one ship? [05-Jul-24 09:10 PM] helminsted#0000 yes i can and usually only use one ship for most traffic [05-Jul-24 09:11 PM] tanda#0000 then I would say pick a planet, prep it out for around 750k cost in PRUN planner, and send a ship towards the ANT CX [05-Jul-24 09:11 PM] tanda#0000 put in for your grant, and you should be approved and ready to start shopping by the time the ship gets here [05-Jul-24 09:12 PM] helminsted#0000 sounds awesome =] [05-Jul-24 09:13 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Neat sliding stats but bars on each side are not my style. Reminded me that I wanted to try a vertical bar [05-Jul-24 09:13 PM] avalock#0000 I like top bar from kali, might try just the top bar [05-Jul-24 09:13 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Also, didn't know you can modify the corner of the window like that [05-Jul-24 09:13 PM] avalock#0000 which corner? [05-Jul-24 09:14 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 The trans flag over the top right of firefox [05-Jul-24 09:14 PM] avalock#0000 OH yeah thats just a firefox theme [05-Jul-24 09:14 PM] avalock#0000 :3 [05-Jul-24 09:15 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 About the grant, we have very little criteria for it besides actually being in Antares. We have some members with heavy pockets desperate to lighten the burden [05-Jul-24 09:15 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 :) [05-Jul-24 09:16 PM] puncher23#0000 The grant though does require you to build a base on a certain planet with a certain setup producing certain items or am i just misreading things. [05-Jul-24 09:17 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 With the grant you can do whatever [05-Jul-24 09:17 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 The loan is for a specific base [05-Jul-24 09:17 PM] tanda#0000 Keen, there's about 3 different financial incentives going right now [05-Jul-24 09:17 PM] puncher23#0000 Ok I had no idea a loan was even an offering ๐Ÿ™‚ [05-Jul-24 09:18 PM] tanda#0000 one is strings free 750k grant from ADI. It just needs to be used in Antares space [05-Jul-24 09:18 PM] tanda#0000 for kevin, there's a separate grant and a loan that are available [05-Jul-24 09:19 PM] puncher23#0000 Ok I gotcha loan is for base making and assisting with projects roger [05-Jul-24 09:19 PM] puncher23#0000 I think i got confused lol [05-Jul-24 09:19 PM] tanda#0000 it is rather a lot, and some of these projects are new [05-Jul-24 09:19 PM] puncher23#0000 Change my name to keenfused.. [05-Jul-24 09:20 PM] puncher23#0000 Ok so to get the grant i just need to dock at Antares space station if I read this correctly [05-Jul-24 09:21 PM] tanda#0000 not even that. Honestly start planning out how to spend it, post a request down in #agp-operations telling us what you want to do with it, and someone should fulfill it soon [05-Jul-24 09:21 PM] tanda#0000 money can be transferred through contracts without any ship movement. [05-Jul-24 09:21 PM] puncher23#0000 Ok do i need to show a Prun snip of the plan or just verbal explain it. [05-Jul-24 09:22 PM] tanda#0000 you WILL need a ship docked to take advantage of the #internal-offers [05-Jul-24 09:22 PM] tanda#0000 you can do either one [05-Jul-24 09:22 PM] helminsted#0000 can we take both grants with the promise of fulfilling both requirements and etc? because i'd love to make an absolute wave of progress for the projects you all had in mind =] i ask with innocent respect and genuine willingness to contribute to the projects of stuff [05-Jul-24 09:23 PM] puncher23#0000 Ok i have a ship docking in about 3.5 hours coming in from Ben [05-Jul-24 09:23 PM] helminsted#0000 i'm in it for the awesome stuff i get to be a part of, not here for pocketing extra funds for myself [05-Jul-24 09:23 PM] tanda#0000 I don't see why not. You would just need to let us know which base you planned on fulfilling if you wanted to help with kevin [05-Jul-24 09:24 PM] helminsted#0000 awesome =] let's do it [05-Jul-24 09:25 PM] puncher23#0000 Ok i put in the request to AGP ill let you all know when the ship slides into first base and cannot thank you enough for the boost it will be a massive game changer. [05-Jul-24 09:26 PM] helminsted#0000 yeah this is so cool to be a part of xD just when i thought the single player life would be nice, teaming up is so much better [05-Jul-24 09:28 PM] puncher23#0000 Mind you sorting out how to empire build with prun is gonna take some time [05-Jul-24 09:29 PM] jcheung#0000 i just learned how to use it myself [05-Jul-24 09:29 PM] jcheung#0000 so if you have questions [05-Jul-24 09:30 PM] puncher23#0000 yeah lots of them lol [05-Jul-24 09:30 PM] jcheung#0000 pick one [05-Jul-24 09:31 PM] puncher23#0000 I did a sheet on everything I need to build the core for Nike not sure how Prun does it I did it with paper and a calc [05-Jul-24 09:32 PM] puncher23#0000 I need to build core extractor manufac 1 a mk 2 habitat etc etc [05-Jul-24 09:32 PM] jcheung#0000 can i see your sheet? ๐Ÿ‘€ [05-Jul-24 09:32 PM] puncher23#0000 sure its blank though [05-Jul-24 09:33 PM] puncher23#0000 if i can find the share screen button,, [05-Jul-24 09:34 PM] puncher23#0000 I see no share screen in here or am i blind [05-Jul-24 09:35 PM] puncher23#0000 nvm i have the prun discord here ill go look at the info [05-Jul-24 09:36 PM] jcheung#0000 wait why is it blank ๐Ÿ˜… [05-Jul-24 09:38 PM] puncher23#0000 because i am trying to sort out how the heck it works. [05-Jul-24 09:38 PM] puncher23#0000 And its not exactly friendly with instructions [05-Jul-24 09:41 PM] jcheung#0000 you talking about prunplanner? [05-Jul-24 09:41 PM] puncher23#0000 yep [05-Jul-24 09:41 PM] jcheung#0000 okay. stop for a sec and pick the first thing that you're stuck on [05-Jul-24 09:42 PM] puncher23#0000 I cant share screen in here but what I want to do is preset up a planet and know all costs and items i am going to need with the list. [05-Jul-24 09:42 PM] jcheung#0000 well you don't have to screen share [05-Jul-24 09:43 PM] jcheung#0000 you need to be in voice to screen share [05-Jul-24 09:43 PM] jcheung#0000 have you figured out how to find a planet [05-Jul-24 09:43 PM] puncher23#0000 Ok not an option currently so text it is he he [05-Jul-24 09:43 PM] puncher23#0000 yeah planet search [05-Jul-24 09:43 PM] jcheung#0000 which planet are you looking at now [05-Jul-24 09:44 PM] puncher23#0000 Nike and I click on the blue + sign for plan [05-Jul-24 09:44 PM] jcheung#0000 did you figure out how to add buildings yet [05-Jul-24 09:45 PM] puncher23#0000 im poking it one sec [05-Jul-24 09:45 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1258977080448782468/image.png?ex=6814da86&is=68138906&hm=43e40bbae71b13808d03d4700cead6f34194b67a971c1c702731d474105cc3f8& [05-Jul-24 09:45 PM] jcheung#0000 example {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1258977156323868713/image.png?ex=6814da98&is=68138918&hm=300bf88385af89ddcb48ed1470d6e028fafd1ed6ec0dc64c245ddc9f019b3d04& [05-Jul-24 09:46 PM] puncher23#0000 yeah the biulding names are not in full so im sorting out what they mean [05-Jul-24 09:48 PM] puncher23#0000 ok so i figured out habitates and production one i need a mk 2 and an extractor [05-Jul-24 09:48 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1258977830742528102/image.png?ex=6814db39&is=681389b9&hm=dc77401e5b19291beb20526bc263df0d2f4c336915fffeba3a2fe5269f339ab7& [05-Jul-24 09:48 PM] jcheung#0000 to get that popup you can do `bui pp3` for example [05-Jul-24 09:48 PM] jcheung#0000 bui for building info, space, building code [05-Jul-24 09:52 PM] puncher23#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1258978894820933693/image.png?ex=6814dc37&is=68138ab7&hm=79493a7b451e7d64126053056f56202d6b02754e45265b60b5b2ceb8be5349bd& [05-Jul-24 09:53 PM] puncher23#0000 what i have so far 3 hab a pp1 a pp2 mk2 im assuming and an extractor [05-Jul-24 09:53 PM] jcheung#0000 i don't know if you want to mix PP1 and PP2, let me double check [05-Jul-24 09:54 PM] puncher23#0000 The extractor is getting limestone which with silicon makes MSG which is for buildings so kind of made sense to make it [05-Jul-24 09:54 PM] jcheung#0000 okay. so pp2 can do anything a pp1 can, with a different recipe. since you don't have a nearby source of iron production, it's going to be easier to ship AL than FE for the most part [05-Jul-24 09:54 PM] puncher23#0000 I want to not only make B blocks but the L blocks so was told to have a mk2 by my guys so i could build more items [05-Jul-24 09:55 PM] riseoffilth#0000 the only thing PP1 is good for is BDE [05-Jul-24 09:55 PM] riseoffilth#0000 everything else is more expensive [05-Jul-24 09:55 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1258979600470511677/image.png?ex=6814dcdf&is=68138b5f&hm=63c16c6e9593f2aa42786fae55ed15d082b5763809d0e2410fa7a2f902b95f30& [05-Jul-24 09:55 PM] puncher23#0000 I am mining AL on Deimos and have a smelter in place and the planets are close so i can move it [05-Jul-24 09:55 PM] jcheung#0000 i thought so [05-Jul-24 09:55 PM] puncher23#0000 Yeah i import Iron from Ben when peeps come over. [05-Jul-24 09:55 PM] riseoffilth#0000 (though if you have better access to FE over AL, it might be better) [05-Jul-24 09:56 PM] puncher23#0000 Yes i have access to Fe from corp [05-Jul-24 09:56 PM] puncher23#0000 Mind you once the aluminium kicks off I wont need FE but that takes time:) [05-Jul-24 09:57 PM] puncher23#0000 But since I am going to not just be stopping at 2 bases if i need B mats later be nice to have. [05-Jul-24 09:58 PM] puncher23#0000 Ok so for now lets go with this idea now i need to sort out cost and not sure where to add core onto this build [05-Jul-24 09:59 PM] puncher23#0000 I think i need to link a cx for prices? [05-Jul-24 09:59 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1258980679807664198/image.png?ex=6814dde0&is=68138c60&hm=7b4a0a115f97796e868084484114e76d96b22096e6e1c71a988d2f5064cc3565& [05-Jul-24 10:00 PM] jcheung#0000 CM on the list is core [05-Jul-24 10:00 PM] jcheung#0000 go to cx settings at the top [05-Jul-24 10:00 PM] puncher23#0000 ok [05-Jul-24 10:00 PM] jcheung#0000 this is what i did, but you're welcome to do something different {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1258980939539677286/image.png?ex=6814de1e&is=68138c9e&hm=d47f652058284012733cbe0133260f66ada4e27e1a03282dfab23648dfc4eac2& [05-Jul-24 10:02 PM] puncher23#0000 ok saved [05-Jul-24 10:03 PM] helminsted#0000 @riseoffilth you guys busy with a more private call? or may i join to pitch my Exxon Mobil startup? xD [05-Jul-24 10:03 PM] Deleted User#0000 We are running shark tank in here. [05-Jul-24 10:03 PM] Deleted User#0000 Get in. [05-Jul-24 10:03 PM] avalock#0000 you can join [05-Jul-24 10:03 PM] avalock#0000 and start barking at them [05-Jul-24 10:03 PM] avalock#0000 its what I would do [05-Jul-24 10:03 PM] avalock#0000 ๐Ÿถ [05-Jul-24 10:03 PM] puncher23#0000 afk a bit rl [05-Jul-24 10:05 PM] jcheung#0000 you have me wondering if my base layout is too cluttered ๐Ÿค” [05-Jul-24 10:05 PM] avalock#0000 o? this is just starter stuff lol [05-Jul-24 10:05 PM] avalock#0000 wait is mine cluttered? [05-Jul-24 10:05 PM] avalock#0000 ;-; [05-Jul-24 10:06 PM] jcheung#0000 i mean {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1258982493420523540/image.png?ex=6814df91&is=68138e11&hm=34765a7794aa0f91cf1e74dd5631b39afe92b6850ecfd8f4654093fe888a3394& [05-Jul-24 10:06 PM] jcheung#0000 this is mine [05-Jul-24 10:07 PM] helminsted#0000 sorry i don't want to interrupt the current conversation xD maybe i'll take time to make the prunplanner thing to show the group [05-Jul-24 10:07 PM] jcheung#0000 is it? i thought there was more stuff on start ๐Ÿค” [05-Jul-24 10:08 PM] jcheung#0000 i think it's more rise ranting than a shark tank [05-Jul-24 10:08 PM] avalock#0000 yours has a lot more info than mine! its cool [05-Jul-24 10:18 PM] puncher23#0000 ok back [05-Jul-24 10:18 PM] jcheung#0000 front [05-Jul-24 10:19 PM] puncher23#0000 side !! [05-Jul-24 10:19 PM] puncher23#0000 now i am going to need basics and lux items to set this base up as well [05-Jul-24 10:22 PM] puncher23#0000 ok i set cx but no prices showing in construction tab [05-Jul-24 10:22 PM] jcheung#0000 did you set the number of each building you want? [05-Jul-24 10:23 PM] puncher23#0000 one sec let me double [05-Jul-24 10:23 PM] puncher23#0000 ok added order on buildings [05-Jul-24 10:23 PM] jcheung#0000 does it tell you prices now, or nah [05-Jul-24 10:24 PM] puncher23#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1258986845434286141/image.png?ex=6814e39e&is=6813921e&hm=000b0fed81b0704f2d5e70924346e14f75c54e12c3f1ea4b62d68113da825c45& [05-Jul-24 10:24 PM] puncher23#0000 shows me all the stuff which is cool but zero price [05-Jul-24 10:26 PM] puncher23#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1258987493743657011/image.png?ex=6814e439&is=681392b9&hm=897db7214fb8b4c859ed07a834db95f96fff78daf74711df2712df17f92883df& [05-Jul-24 10:37 PM] jcheung#0000 go to management [05-Jul-24 10:37 PM] jcheung#0000 lower right make sure this is checked {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1258990244401909810/image.png?ex=6814e6c9&is=68139549&hm=c8f4bd4110c62d1b81de50930a55e9bc579a8fdef3f2bd9ee1c575b5c94ec212& [05-Jul-24 10:39 PM] puncher23#0000 yeah i just found it while you guys were talking [05-Jul-24 10:39 PM] puncher23#0000 not exactly screaming at ya to check lol [05-Jul-24 10:48 PM] puncher23#0000 https://tenor.com/view/formiga-tocando-guitarra-roqueiro-guitar-player-playing-guitar-gif-14476875 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/formiga-tocando-guitarra-roqueiro-guitar-player-playing-guitar-gif-14476875 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/b5opXaqK4dm5sDaVLWHTgOh5blbJzdekF89PVvKMUDM/https/media.tenor.com/bMeZAvWcp1gAAAAe/formiga-tocando-guitarra.png [05-Jul-24 10:48 PM] puncher23#0000 Ok thanks very much for the help I can now pass it forward and ill go wait for my ship to dock at Ant cause ANts ROCK {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [06-Jul-24 12:56 AM] puncher23#0000 Thanks all very much for the Grant so nice to be able to kick the game into a higher gear. [06-Jul-24 05:23 AM] razenpok#0000 :Businesscat: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1259092236734304297/image.png?ex=68149d06&is=68134b86&hm=734955f216c1c8cbc5a4905a7f2f6d31fb4db44fe45087754422b3d188104baa& [06-Jul-24 08:09 AM] avalock#0000 yeag yours is nice {Reactions} blob [06-Jul-24 08:37 AM] jcheung#0000 Hmmmm [06-Jul-24 09:46 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Oh no, INC and Rigs on promitor??????? [06-Jul-24 09:47 AM] razenpok#0000 *shush* [06-Jul-24 09:48 AM] razenpok#0000 I moved to Antares mostly, so I need it as low-maintenance as possible {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿš€ ๐Ÿ™Œ โค๏ธ (2) ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) ๐Ÿ˜Ž ๐Ÿ˜ (2) ๐Ÿฅฐ [06-Jul-24 09:48 AM] razenpok#0000 I'll probably fix it after I get WCBs {Reactions} ๐Ÿš€ [06-Jul-24 09:48 AM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/worried-concerned-side-eye-weirded-out-uncomfortable-gif-8174374 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/worried-concerned-side-eye-weirded-out-uncomfortable-gif-8174374 worried https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/gpN6XRs_GSpAJAwH1zwIMxJw2igIWqE1IuILnfLerMo/https/media.tenor.com/sqJA65QLfhAAAAAe/worried-concerned.png [06-Jul-24 09:48 AM] razenpok#0000 I'm sorry daddy [06-Jul-24 08:53 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Fun fact to everyone here. If you produce PE on a planet with 20 credits tax on Pios, that tax will charge you approx $5.4 credits per PE job, that produces 200 PE, worth $1800. That is 0.23% effective tax rate on your production valve. If you make EDC, with a build time at 100% of one day, sale value of 11500, you get taxed less than 200 credits(assuming a tax rate of 600 for engineers), for an effective tax rate of 1.5%. {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [06-Jul-24 08:53 PM] riseoffilth#0000 always amazes me how little taxes actually take ๐Ÿ˜„ [10-Jul-24 05:30 PM] jvaler#0000 ANT no longer first in list to down arrow to... i'm boycotting PrUn now /j {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1260724915989123082/image.png?ex=68149ed3&is=68134d53&hm=bb257e027598463cfd9fb519a0474e487fcbb64957db8b889dbb4e39f3fbc1fe& {Reactions} pepehands (2) [10-Jul-24 06:14 PM] avalock#0000 new project lead? Woof woof!? /j [10-Jul-24 06:26 PM] jcheung#0000 Try STA instead [10-Jul-24 06:27 PM] jvaler#0000 oh yeah that works for now [10-Jul-24 06:27 PM] jvaler#0000 thx [10-Jul-24 06:27 PM] jcheung#0000 Cool, i guessed that it would but i have no way to try it ๐Ÿ˜‚ [10-Jul-24 11:44 PM] jcheung#0000 ah [10-Jul-24 11:44 PM] jcheung#0000 fuck me [10-Jul-24 11:44 PM] jcheung#0000 i left two shipments behind... damnit [10-Jul-24 11:44 PM] jcheung#0000 well, at least it's just the logi officer, no big loss [11-Jul-24 01:02 AM] jcheung#0000 oh, neat. just realized i sent the ship to the wrong destination anyways. [11-Jul-24 01:02 AM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ”ซ [11-Jul-24 01:04 AM] wolfking6116#0000 oof [11-Jul-24 01:04 AM] wolfking6116#0000 Not been there yet, but I'm sure it'll happen [11-Jul-24 01:06 AM] wolfking6116#0000 So with a Free license is there actually anything I can do to help this initiative, or am I moreso just handing out water cups to the marathon runners? [11-Jul-24 01:06 AM] jcheung#0000 plus side is it's not too far away. minus side is it sets me back about 12 hours (3 travel, 9 because i won't be there for arrival) and a bunch of gas {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜“ [11-Jul-24 01:06 AM] jcheung#0000 you can still affect CX prices [11-Jul-24 01:08 AM] jcheung#0000 like for example, there's a project currently to lower the price of INS a few credits [11-Jul-24 01:08 AM] jcheung#0000 theoretically you could produce it too. you just won't have discounted feedstock and it would be harder to coordinate the grant to help build the bases [11-Jul-24 01:51 AM] wolfking6116#0000 Yeah that's part much of what I figured ๐Ÿ˜‚ [11-Jul-24 07:09 AM] razenpok#0000 Good news everyone, there's an auto-provision option in custom shipping contracts now {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1260930942588030976/image.png?ex=6814b5f3&is=68136473&hm=bc4ba9782bea5ae653e17e921310029e875d4bb4d03cc88d2120cd94eb964540& {Reactions} โค๏ธ (2) [11-Jul-24 08:30 AM] Deleted User#0000 Now what part of contracts broke so we could have that feature. [11-Jul-24 09:08 AM] jvaler#0000 well point of interest ordering in any location field is sorted now, but that makes antares station like 6th in the list when typing "ant" luckily "sta" can be used in the meantime to maintain the "sta" -> down arrow -> enter workflow [11-Jul-24 09:08 AM] jvaler#0000 https://discord.com/channels/350171287785701388/359623296993722368/1260609824589353013 [11-Jul-24 09:12 AM] Deleted User#0000 Literally unplayable. [11-Jul-24 09:12 AM] jvaler#0000 ikr [11-Jul-24 09:12 AM] Deleted User#0000 Change steam reviews ASAP. [11-Jul-24 09:13 AM] jvaler#0000 i still haven't posted one ๐Ÿ˜“ [11-Jul-24 09:13 AM] Deleted User#0000 Shocked. [11-Jul-24 09:17 AM] sidepipe#0000 I need to review this game sometime. I've probably played it enough by now ๐Ÿ˜„ [11-Jul-24 09:18 AM] flor2081#0000 i sent molp a DM and he'll look into the sorting thing [11-Jul-24 09:18 AM] jvaler#0000 you're like our proxy line straight to molp [11-Jul-24 09:18 AM] flor2081#0000 honestly i dont even know if molp likes that or not [11-Jul-24 09:18 AM] flor2081#0000 cause i'm way too lazy to make a forum post [11-Jul-24 09:19 AM] flor2081#0000 and that feels like it's just ignored way easier than actual DMs [11-Jul-24 09:19 AM] flor2081#0000 but it worked with the warehouse bug, so why not ๐Ÿ˜„ [11-Jul-24 09:19 AM] jvaler#0000 well razenpok's contract autofulfillment feature request was on the forums and it was added within like 2 weeks(?) [11-Jul-24 09:20 AM] jvaler#0000 but also there's like 3 forum posts about the CONTD bug iirc, and it still hasn't been fixed... so ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ [11-Jul-24 09:21 AM] jvaler#0000 it's probably that they get seen, but not everything is actioned on [11-Jul-24 09:21 AM] sidepipe#0000 limited dev time, triaging, etc etc [11-Jul-24 09:21 AM] sidepipe#0000 I wonder if the autofill thing was pretty straightforward since the LM basically creates a contract anyway [11-Jul-24 09:22 AM] jvaler#0000 oh probably [11-Jul-24 09:22 AM] sidepipe#0000 not that it isn't also my single favorite feature of 2024 ๐Ÿ˜„ [11-Jul-24 09:23 AM] jvaler#0000 though i noticed a new description was added for both manual and LM contracts that use the feature {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1260964594726469734/image.png?ex=6814d54a&is=681383ca&hm=3b3117eb0df4d10de8829054915dfdaf5a5b92d81d82b5d8b56598acd5cc4e01& [11-Jul-24 09:23 AM] flor2081#0000 oh cool [11-Jul-24 09:23 AM] jvaler#0000 at least i think that's new? [11-Jul-24 09:23 AM] flor2081#0000 yea [11-Jul-24 09:24 AM] jvaler#0000 doesn't let you see whether LM ads are autoprovisioned or not before accepting, but it's neat at least [11-Jul-24 09:25 AM] flor2081#0000 fuckyeah [11-Jul-24 09:25 AM] flor2081#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1260965236597329970/image.png?ex=6814d5e4&is=68138464&hm=46047aec2b2a988bbac58eaf2638e254105afa10ec148e3441039100e1c50ed5& {Reactions} pog [11-Jul-24 09:25 AM] flor2081#0000 we did it [11-Jul-24 09:26 AM] jvaler#0000 antares is saved, millions must smelt AL [11-Jul-24 09:26 AM] jvaler#0000 we're so back [11-Jul-24 09:28 AM] sidepipe#0000 oh wow that was fast [11-Jul-24 09:28 AM] sidepipe#0000 i just got used to doing STA instead ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [11-Jul-24 09:29 AM] evany.#0000 i'm both impressed and surprised [11-Jul-24 09:29 AM] flor2081#0000 alright good to know, i'll always DM him with this kind of stuff now ๐Ÿ˜„ [11-Jul-24 09:29 AM] jcheung#0000 I bet it was an easy fix and there were a lot of people bitching about sending shit to the wrong place [11-Jul-24 09:30 AM] flor2081#0000 yeah [11-Jul-24 10:07 AM] Deleted User#0000 At one point I found out that nitro boosting the Discord server results in a role that can ban, delete channels, and add new roles, pretty much anything. [11-Jul-24 10:07 AM] Deleted User#0000 Went straight to Molp about it and got a "thanks" and then nothing for a week, found it still worked, and then went to Saganaki and he got it fixed. [11-Jul-24 10:07 AM] Deleted User#0000 Never bothered messaging Molp after that point. [11-Jul-24 10:08 AM] evany.#0000 lmao [11-Jul-24 10:08 AM] flor2081#0000 hahah damn [11-Jul-24 10:13 AM] evany.#0000 mature enough to report it? welcome to the mod team thanks! [11-Jul-24 10:15 AM] Deleted User#0000 Nope, I just got a rather snarky reply for asking about my rewards after I gave them ยฃ1,000. [11-Jul-24 10:15 AM] Deleted User#0000 I would've taken mod tho, lmao. [11-Jul-24 10:16 AM] evany.#0000 jesus [11-Jul-24 10:23 AM] avalock#0000 bug bounties on a discord server lol [11-Jul-24 10:30 AM] realharvey#0000 was it really snarky or just bad timing? My contact with molp was really good when I had something [11-Jul-24 11:47 AM] jcheung#0000 Reverse bug bounty [13-Jul-24 06:31 PM] jcheung#0000 i think i've set myself a new long term goal, and it's a stupid one [13-Jul-24 06:32 PM] jcheung#0000 get every warehouse i possibly can up to lvl 3 everywhere in antares space [13-Jul-24 06:32 PM] jcheung#0000 to include totally uninhabited worlds [13-Jul-24 06:32 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [13-Jul-24 06:35 PM] igfloz#0000 And then auction off the contents ? Like an Intergalactic version of storage wars ๐Ÿคฃ [13-Jul-24 06:35 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿค” [13-Jul-24 06:35 PM] jcheung#0000 tempting, tempting [13-Jul-24 06:42 PM] tanda#0000 that would be an interesting mechanic for governments: Seizing the warehouse contents from deleted accounts and selling them off by lots [13-Jul-24 06:49 PM] evany.#0000 dont tie it to government [13-Jul-24 06:49 PM] evany.#0000 make an auction mechanic [13-Jul-24 06:49 PM] tanda#0000 well the credits have to go somewhere, right? [13-Jul-24 06:49 PM] evany.#0000 this player was coliq'd in / deleted 72hours aftewards auctions all their shit [13-Jul-24 06:50 PM] evany.#0000 or randomize it so one timezone doesn't get it [13-Jul-24 06:50 PM] evany.#0000 the auction starts between 72 and 96 hours after the user is deleted for each warehouse / base they owned not all simultaneously [13-Jul-24 06:50 PM] evany.#0000 totally randomly [13-Jul-24 06:50 PM] evany.#0000 15 minutes bidding war and top bid gets it and the money gets deleted/given to npc [13-Jul-24 06:50 PM] evany.#0000 not a bad idea at all [13-Jul-24 06:53 PM] acramernc#0000 the gov owns the warehouse, it would make sense for the money to go to the gov [13-Jul-24 06:54 PM] igfloz#0000 wait.... as player storage + WH storage appears to stack, when a player leaves do the Gov get both WH and STO contents ? [13-Jul-24 06:55 PM] tanda#0000 I would say no, technically the players storage is not in a building owned by the government [13-Jul-24 07:27 PM] evany.#0000 naw money in a game like this needs to get deleted otherwise we will get rampant inflation eventually. [13-Jul-24 07:27 PM] evany.#0000 we need sinks! [13-Jul-24 07:28 PM] evany.#0000 the basic consumables and such might be enough really (not enough information to say one way or another) [13-Jul-24 07:30 PM] acramernc#0000 repairs and consumables are a sink [13-Jul-24 07:30 PM] evany.#0000 lots of sinks lots of faucets [15-Jul-24 09:56 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 It sounds like the devs are focusing on infrastructure. My expectation of when gateways will be here changed from 10 years to only 2 years ! [15-Jul-24 09:58 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 I thought gateways would be a per-system type thing but per-planet are cool too. And they're adding more fuel :) [15-Jul-24 10:05 AM] acramernc#0000 hmm, will be interesting to see the specifics of how those get implemented, seems like they could easily become quite a mess {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [15-Jul-24 10:07 AM] acramernc#0000 I imagine they are going to have to make some pretty serious upgrades to their navigation algorithm [15-Jul-24 10:19 AM] realharvey#0000 There are a lot of cool infrastructure ideas which have different levels of complexity. Being able to Build other Commodity exchanges (for Organisations for example) would also make a very interesting one. But like the navigation one they are aiming for its very complex and requires some things to be redone. (assumption) [15-Jul-24 10:21 AM] realharvey#0000 For the Beginning of the infrastructure phase I would have loved to see a more simple object that we can build that is easier to implement [15-Jul-24 10:21 AM] realharvey#0000 to get the required systems going and being able to iterate on that [15-Jul-24 10:21 AM] realharvey#0000 A more simple thing would have been an Planetary Elevator for example which would remove the need to land on a planet [15-Jul-24 10:22 AM] realharvey#0000 once build you only need to be in orbit to access your base storage [15-Jul-24 10:23 AM] realharvey#0000 it's less fancy, but in my opinion a great starting point to test how Infrastructure works and can be handled [15-Jul-24 10:27 AM] acramernc#0000 i really would like them to have worked on private exchanges or better contracts first, but such is life lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [15-Jul-24 10:33 AM] realharvey#0000 I do believe private exchanges is even more difficult [15-Jul-24 10:35 AM] acramernc#0000 idk, i think they could be pretty simple [15-Jul-24 10:37 AM] acramernc#0000 creating them would be no more complicated than the gateways, except I imagine they would be done through the corporation [15-Jul-24 10:38 AM] acramernc#0000 and then they are just another destination, or more likely another screen attached to an already existing location [15-Jul-24 11:00 AM] jcheung#0000 I mean a private exchange could be a corp project and just be a warehouse with extra steps [15-Jul-24 11:18 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 I don't love the idea of private CXs, especially as the first infrastructure project. I see how it can be used for outer rim planets but I suspect it would mostly be used for in-corp trading and it'd spread the market even thinner [15-Jul-24 11:20 AM] acramernc#0000 i don't think it would drive any additional in corp trading, it would just move trading from places like #internal-offers into the native game [15-Jul-24 11:21 AM] acramernc#0000 might even decrease the amount of in-corp trading since you probably wouldn't be able to list the same products on multiple private cx [15-Jul-24 11:23 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 wdym ? [15-Jul-24 11:27 AM] acramernc#0000 lets say i have 10k PG and i'm a member of KAWA and this server, if i go and list that PG on the ADI cx, it won't be available on the KAWA CX, wheras as it is right now I would probably have listings in both servers [15-Jul-24 11:27 AM] acramernc#0000 assuming both cx have escrow setup / enabled [15-Jul-24 11:28 AM] sidepipe#0000 ah yeah, good point. if it takes the goods out when you list it, you can't offer them multiple places [15-Jul-24 11:29 AM] evany.#0000 the only way you'd be able to offer them at both would be if you started to get into private access lists to groups of players / corporations i.e list on a private cx that private cx has permissions for both adi and kawa residents to use [15-Jul-24 11:29 AM] evany.#0000 access lists like that the players are probably "upto" the challenge, but from what i've seen of the development team not so much.. [15-Jul-24 11:29 AM] acramernc#0000 could also be worked around by selling into bids [15-Jul-24 11:30 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 You still have one stock of PG. I don't get how it makes a difference. Either way you still have access to contracts and private CXs are an alternative, there being another alternative to contracts physically can't make in-corp trading any harder [15-Jul-24 11:31 AM] evany.#0000 i think his point was that you'd have to tear down the order from t he private cx [15-Jul-24 11:31 AM] sidepipe#0000 which makes it no easier than the current system, just replace the CX [15-Jul-24 11:32 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 What is the audience for a private CX in your mind ? @acramernc [15-Jul-24 11:32 AM] .urpalhal#0000 OOG has an auction discord bot [15-Jul-24 11:37 AM] Deleted User#0000 Private CXs are not what this game needs at all. [15-Jul-24 11:37 AM] Deleted User#0000 There's so many infinitely more important and beneficial things they could do infrastructure wise than private CXs. [15-Jul-24 11:38 AM] Deleted User#0000 Now, if there were way more players, maybe. But then you just end up with people flocking to the cheapest corp market and utilising that instead, in reality just moving the problem elsewhere. [15-Jul-24 11:39 AM] Deleted User#0000 My first thought for some form of major infrastructure would have to be either some form of better transportation across stars or between stars, or space elevators. [15-Jul-24 11:40 AM] acramernc#0000 I think it would just streamline the frankly obtuse system we are stuck with rn of searching a discord channel for a listing and then making a custom contract [15-Jul-24 11:41 AM] acramernc#0000 if i could just throw a bid up for 1k RAT whenever i get low instead of having to watch sidepipes stock levels it would make my life much easier (no shade to sidepipe, he has the tastiest RATs) [15-Jul-24 11:41 AM] sidepipe#0000 yeah, I go back and forth. on the one hand, in-corp trading is a thing and it's not going away, so I'd love for that to be easier. on the other hand, further subdividing the market isn't great for those who don't have the option of in-corp trading [15-Jul-24 11:43 AM] Deleted User#0000 Really in corp trading isn't something that should be encouraged. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [15-Jul-24 11:44 AM] Deleted User#0000 I mean it works well for those involved, sure, but it does hurt the entirely of the game in a complete sense. [15-Jul-24 11:45 AM] evany.#0000 if i had a wish list with the game most of it would probably be simple things.. with ships let me choose route paths rather then guessing and arbitrarily selecting fuel choices to hope to get 'good path' give me a consumables hold on ships and allow me to give ships/crew consumables and allow me to setup queues i.e go here, pick up this, deliver it here, fulfill this contract then pick up this and go here.. give it some arbitrary limit e.g 24hours so i don't have to alarm clock fix contracts, how is it easier to use the market then it is contracts. ui issues-- why do i have to type something then wait for a context/dropdown box then choose the thing in the dropdown box only now i can hit the send or confirm button? allow me to pre-set inventory levels i.e base ABC should have 100 of these, 50 of those and 90 of this.. let me hit a fill ABC button on my ship from CX rather than me referencing (likely something out of game, or PMMG) something else just to sanely fill containers? those would be my 5 personally.. [15-Jul-24 11:45 AM] jcheung#0000 i'm 50/50 on whether this would actually reduce the need for searching [15-Jul-24 11:45 AM] evany.#0000 i'd be curious to see what other peoples "five" would be [15-Jul-24 11:46 AM] acramernc#0000 i mean, if they gave us a proper api and let that api create contracts then we could design external tools that would do all of this for us [15-Jul-24 11:47 AM] Deleted User#0000 I would imagine that'd go against automation. [15-Jul-24 11:47 AM] Deleted User#0000 That's unlikely to change. [15-Jul-24 11:47 AM] evany.#0000 its likely only reason we have api is for web/steamclient sync to begin with [15-Jul-24 11:48 AM] Deleted User#0000 And automation should definitely not be in the game imo. [15-Jul-24 11:48 AM] acramernc#0000 all i'm suggesting is that the api would allow you to create contracts, not accept or execute on them [15-Jul-24 11:49 AM] acramernc#0000 the only thing automated there is filling out a form [15-Jul-24 11:50 AM] jcheung#0000 i actually specifically asked molp about something like that recently [15-Jul-24 11:51 AM] jcheung#0000 although made on my end, not as part of the game... was told that as long as it doesn't generate traffic, it's fine [15-Jul-24 11:51 AM] acramernc#0000 yeah the devs current policy is "no tool is allowed to initiate a call to the server" [15-Jul-24 11:54 AM] razenpok#0000 1. Repeat contract button in CONTD 2. Open buffer-as-tooltip when hovering over things that open new buffer (e.g. hover over RAT, a MAT RAT tooltip shows above the cursor) 3. Close all floating buffers button 4. 2-3 choices available as "Last used locations" in contract creation buffer 5. User connectivity status in COMS, or anywhere else where you can see a username [15-Jul-24 11:54 AM] evany.#0000 #5 like a friends list ? [15-Jul-24 11:55 AM] razenpok#0000 Nope, it's like a red/green dot near a username in COMS [15-Jul-24 11:55 AM] razenpok#0000 Like, "This user is online" [15-Jul-24 11:55 AM] razenpok#0000 You can see it from USR buffer already, but that's an extra click [15-Jul-24 11:55 AM] evany.#0000 ah i see [15-Jul-24 11:56 AM] igfloz#0000 looks around nervously.... "what if I set myself to afk ?" [15-Jul-24 11:56 AM] evany.#0000 i dont think you can [15-Jul-24 11:57 AM] igfloz#0000 bah ! [15-Jul-24 11:57 AM] igfloz#0000 foiled again [15-Jul-24 11:57 AM] evany.#0000 i also wonder how many people actually use the ingame channels at all anyway [15-Jul-24 11:57 AM] jcheung#0000 for 3, i was told to refresh the page when i asked about it {Reactions} kekw [15-Jul-24 11:57 AM] evany.#0000 i think he means the :onhover: from html would show the actual buffer [15-Jul-24 11:58 AM] evany.#0000 oh sorry #3 reload- lol yea [15-Jul-24 11:59 AM] jcheung#0000 i'm mixed on tooltip [15-Jul-24 12:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I just want nuclear reactors and uranium [15-Jul-24 12:04 PM] acramernc#0000 i think energy will be pretty cool whenever they add that [15-Jul-24 12:05 PM] jcheung#0000 sounds like you need to spend 650 EUR [15-Jul-24 12:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ข [15-Jul-24 12:05 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜… [15-Jul-24 12:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Wanna be my irl money bank? [15-Jul-24 12:05 PM] evany.#0000 sure. max withdrawl unit is 500 [15-Jul-24 12:05 PM] jcheung#0000 if something works out, maybe [15-Jul-24 12:06 PM] jcheung#0000 currently deep in irl debt on a gamble that failed 8 years ago so i threw more money at it now [15-Jul-24 12:06 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I think actually making the recurring button on contracts do something would be about as much in-corp trading support I'd like. And once again, I dream of a second server with no holds barred anarchy where automation is allowed and bots engage in high frequency JUI trading [15-Jul-24 12:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 apex.anaarchy.com [15-Jul-24 12:07 PM] acramernc#0000 https://spacetraders.io/ [15-Jul-24 12:07 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I like PRuN's mechanics more [15-Jul-24 12:08 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I was thinking more like Screeps [15-Jul-24 12:08 PM] evany.#0000 fuck yes dvorak [15-Jul-24 12:08 PM] evany.#0000 i'd kill for a screeps that wasn't.. screeps [15-Jul-24 12:09 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 2 traders 2 tools [15-Jul-24 12:09 PM] evany.#0000 2fast2automated: IN SPAAAAAACE [15-Jul-24 12:09 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 mhm, I tried it a couple times but I didn't catch on. Not sure why, I think it's just a lot of setup before getting to fun stuff [15-Jul-24 12:09 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 You played it too ? [15-Jul-24 12:10 PM] evany.#0000 yes [15-Jul-24 12:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 A coding game? [15-Jul-24 12:11 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 RTS but you code the AI for each little guy [15-Jul-24 12:11 PM] evany.#0000 i got hung up on the java/typescript requirement and just couldnt find it enjoyable having to work through transcrypt [15-Jul-24 12:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 :RSNoice: [15-Jul-24 12:13 PM] sidepipe#0000 Play Bitburner instead ๐Ÿ™‚ [15-Jul-24 12:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Imma play hello kitty adventure island {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [15-Jul-24 12:13 PM] sidepipe#0000 (Itโ€™s still JavaScript though) [15-Jul-24 12:13 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I tried it first because I heard a very cool story. There's a Russian youtuber that reviews MMO stories from stuff like Eve and one of them was about screeps. Player A captured a base of player B. B wrote the AI so that bases missing energy get resupplied by bases nearby. A took advantage and accepted the energy then dumped it on the ground. B's AI drained every base trying to supply the captured base [15-Jul-24 12:14 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I wish it was a bit more gradual with automation, kind of how factorio is gradual with automation, where you start by manually doing stuff and then make more and more automated systems. I felt I had to have a whole system built to just start [15-Jul-24 12:16 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I think I had it on a list for a while but never actually tried it [15-Jul-24 12:18 PM] evany.#0000 anyway im inclined to agree dvorak. i'd like to see a no holes barred version too but i'd say the same thing for EVE and the olympics too i want to see 2500 bots attacking 2500 bots [15-Jul-24 12:18 PM] evany.#0000 and i want to see mma with the most juiced up dudes [15-Jul-24 12:18 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 lmao [15-Jul-24 12:19 PM] sidepipe#0000 I thought it was much better about the gradual ramp to full automation. It definitely tricked me into building command and control servers with version controlled scripts very quickly ๐Ÿ˜„ [15-Jul-24 12:19 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 They should run 3 simultaneous olympics. Regular, no holds barred, and one where they take a statistically average person from each country [15-Jul-24 12:20 PM] evany.#0000 oh god YES [15-Jul-24 12:20 PM] evany.#0000 a guy that works from home vs michael phelps in the pool. [15-Jul-24 12:20 PM] evany.#0000 go! [15-Jul-24 12:21 PM] evany.#0000 idk if you've seen those memes "feeling bad about your job? just remember that olympic swimmers have life guards on duty" [15-Jul-24 12:22 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 free money [15-Jul-24 08:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 AL price rn makes selling AL to the CX seem not so bad [15-Jul-24 08:10 PM] jcheung#0000 if you want to move AL from deimos to ANT let me know, i'm running ships nearly empty that way for at least another two rounds [15-Jul-24 08:15 PM] sidepipe#0000 Buying AL from the CX makes making AL look pretty good ๐Ÿ˜ž [15-Jul-24 08:15 PM] sidepipe#0000 Dropped another 700k to resupply my Nike base [15-Jul-24 08:16 PM] jcheung#0000 woof [15-Jul-24 10:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i hear that there might be good options for metalurgy near nascent [15-Jul-24 10:19 PM] tanda#0000 The sarcasm is so heavy I'm actually not sure [15-Jul-24 10:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 no sarcasm [15-Jul-24 10:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 only hearsay [15-Jul-24 10:19 PM] tanda#0000 you are talking about Deimos and Astraeus? [15-Jul-24 10:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 no [15-Jul-24 10:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 something in QJ area [15-Jul-24 10:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 its not vulcan or deimos [15-Jul-24 10:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 meh idk [15-Jul-24 10:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ask rise [15-Jul-24 10:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i go back to roller costers [15-Jul-24 10:22 PM] tanda#0000 I don't see anything new regarding metallurgy, just the new development in the Romulan system [15-Jul-24 10:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ah that be fuel [15-Jul-24 10:22 PM] riseoffilth#0000 IY-816c [15-Jul-24 10:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1262610519253061643/Screenshot_2024-07-15_212318.png?ex=6814e36d&is=681391ed&hm=b4190de7780656a82c26a95ebe1830044cc6b1d2112435014f8d3400d501fd6a& [15-Jul-24 10:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 one jump away from nascent [15-Jul-24 10:24 PM] tanda#0000 oh, that just flipped a couple weeks ago off of construction [15-Jul-24 10:24 PM] tanda#0000 cool [15-Jul-24 10:24 PM] riseoffilth#0000 it was temporarily overrun by con [15-Jul-24 10:24 PM] riseoffilth#0000 fixed now ๐Ÿ™‚ [15-Jul-24 10:25 PM] riseoffilth#0000 IY-816D is where con should be and is [15-Jul-24 10:26 PM] jcheung#0000 off to the "east" right? [15-Jul-24 10:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 sure east [16-Jul-24 07:32 PM] .shiva.#0000 someone did just a little sale of `SF` {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1262929981613408349/image.png?ex=6814bb73&is=681369f3&hm=7a6904032d9d77463d3ede5ee71fa06b05a124623ff91d05f3a79c4e3bcec779& [16-Jul-24 08:22 PM] jcheung#0000 Fuuuuuuck [16-Jul-24 08:22 PM] jcheung#0000 Wish i had an open cont for that [16-Jul-24 08:43 PM] tanda#0000 wow, 281k SF [17-Jul-24 08:37 AM] jvaler#0000 sorry for the absence! i'm feeling better so i'll be around more [17-Jul-24 08:38 AM] avalock#0000 glad youโ€™re feeling better! [17-Jul-24 08:44 AM] Deleted User#0000 Another example of superior Antares medicine. [17-Jul-24 08:47 AM] avalock#0000 ive drank likeโ€ฆ half a gallon of water in 2 hours [17-Jul-24 08:47 AM] jvaler#0000 no i'm not physically ill :P [17-Jul-24 08:48 AM] avalock#0000 i figured that was more of the case ๐Ÿซ‚๐Ÿ’œ [17-Jul-24 08:48 AM] jvaler#0000 uhh dypshoria was making me feel bad and sapped all my motivation to do anything [17-Jul-24 08:48 AM] jvaler#0000 but now i feel good and wanna do a lot of things [17-Jul-24 08:48 AM] jvaler#0000 so [17-Jul-24 08:49 AM] jvaler#0000 grinding out CONTDs ๐Ÿฆพ [17-Jul-24 08:49 AM] avalock#0000 nice! yeah debilitating dysphoria/dysmorphia is no bueno :c [17-Jul-24 08:50 AM] jvaler#0000 debilitating is a bit far... but it's more like depression i think. i mean it basically is right? [17-Jul-24 08:51 AM] avalock#0000 ohh yeah i just thought likeโ€ฆ not having the uhhhh motivation to do anything [17-Jul-24 08:52 AM] jvaler#0000 oh yeah [17-Jul-24 08:52 AM] jvaler#0000 well i guess debilitating could be the right term, if you don't think of it as a charged word [17-Jul-24 08:53 AM] avalock#0000 lol iโ€™m not the best at english but it is my only language [17-Jul-24 08:53 AM] jvaler#0000 lmao same [17-Jul-24 08:54 AM] avalock#0000 thatโ€™s why i just bark [17-Jul-24 08:54 AM] sidepipe#0000 Sounds like you need to report to the infirmary for some drinking water and office supplies ๐Ÿ˜„ And jokes aside, glad to hear youโ€™re feeling better! [17-Jul-24 08:55 AM] jvaler#0000 what i need to do is contact my local antares logistics officer and get some people moving late shit for me :P [17-Jul-24 08:55 AM] Deleted User#0000 Oh! Forgive the obligatory Antares memery, hope you can work through it! [17-Jul-24 08:56 AM] Deleted User#0000 I'm sure I speak for everyone here when I say we are here for you. [17-Jul-24 08:56 AM] Deleted User#0000 Goes for anyone, in that matter. [17-Jul-24 08:56 AM] jvaler#0000 ofc, i love y'all [17-Jul-24 08:57 AM] sidepipe#0000 Good thing we have a #shipping channel then ๐Ÿ˜„ [17-Jul-24 08:57 AM] jvaler#0000 yup [17-Jul-24 08:57 AM] jvaler#0000 gonna write up a list soon [17-Jul-24 08:58 AM] sidepipe#0000 I may be able to take some if you need to rent out a LCB. For once, Iโ€™m actually not behind on my own shipping ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [17-Jul-24 08:58 AM] jvaler#0000 ooh i think i will [17-Jul-24 08:58 AM] Deleted User#0000 I have three very lonely and very abandoned ships that could be put to use. [17-Jul-24 08:58 AM] avalock#0000 the Superior Antares Friendship and Hugs Committee SAFHC [17-Jul-24 08:58 AM] jvaler#0000 lemme send out my own ships first to see what i have left afterwards tho [17-Jul-24 08:59 AM] avalock#0000 i was trying to go for SAFTEY but [17-Jul-24 08:59 AM] avalock#0000 idk what the TEY would be [17-Jul-24 08:59 AM] Deleted User#0000 If I were of a more stable mind I'd consider that, Antares group therapy. [17-Jul-24 08:59 AM] avalock#0000 Friendship Thoughts and Emotions Y [17-Jul-24 09:01 AM] avalock#0000 yeah i think you know that i wouldnโ€™t be good for that role ๐Ÿ˜… [17-Jul-24 09:02 AM] Deleted User#0000 Maybe we need some less serious things. [17-Jul-24 09:02 AM] Deleted User#0000 Maybe a movie night. [17-Jul-24 09:02 AM] Deleted User#0000 Game nights. [17-Jul-24 09:02 AM] avalock#0000 i would be dowm for a movie night [17-Jul-24 09:03 AM] Deleted User#0000 Well, pitch an idea to the main lady and see if it gets through. [17-Jul-24 09:03 AM] Deleted User#0000 I think it'd beat "kevin". [17-Jul-24 09:04 AM] avalock#0000 me: would be down for movie night also me: has no movies on my computer [17-Jul-24 09:04 AM] Deleted User#0000 There are methods around that. [17-Jul-24 09:05 AM] avalock#0000 yeag, i could do that if people wanted [17-Jul-24 09:05 AM] avalock#0000 i torrent stuff for my roommate already [17-Jul-24 09:05 AM] avalock#0000 @jvaler *shy fingers* would a movie night be good? [17-Jul-24 09:06 AM] jvaler#0000 i personally don't really get discord move nights, but i'd be happy to make the infrastructure if someone wants to organize it [17-Jul-24 09:06 AM] Deleted User#0000 Heartbroken. [17-Jul-24 09:06 AM] jvaler#0000 sorry lol :< [17-Jul-24 09:06 AM] avalock#0000 i could organize it >.> [17-Jul-24 09:06 AM] Deleted User#0000 Truly devastating. [17-Jul-24 09:06 AM] realharvey#0000 Movie "night" with all those different time zones might be the wrong word [17-Jul-24 09:07 AM] avalock#0000 oh tru [17-Jul-24 09:07 AM] Deleted User#0000 Movie time. [17-Jul-24 09:07 AM] avalock#0000 wait me organizing it would be bad [17-Jul-24 09:07 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m like studying every day [17-Jul-24 09:07 AM] avalock#0000 how about [17-Jul-24 09:08 AM] avalock#0000 i just throw on movies randomly probably saturdays and people can join [17-Jul-24 09:09 AM] jvaler#0000 piracy channel ๐Ÿ˜ผ [17-Jul-24 09:09 AM] avalock#0000 nah prob through my parents disney+ acc [17-Jul-24 09:09 AM] realharvey#0000 On a different discord with friends we have a channel called pirate cinema for that. [17-Jul-24 09:12 AM] avalock#0000 oh hey wow focusing on work is difficult gg [17-Jul-24 11:01 AM] jvaler#0000 damn okay {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1263163692715999253/image.png?ex=6814ec5c&is=68139adc&hm=c39ea15435d76b23f4053d73fdec6785f0fdf14ba6afcdd75aef56215c0d7f96& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [17-Jul-24 11:02 AM] jvaler#0000 nascent my beloved i suppose [17-Jul-24 11:04 AM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฎ [17-Jul-24 11:04 AM] jcheung#0000 why can't i get that kind of deal [17-Jul-24 11:04 AM] jvaler#0000 i'll pay you the profits to ship it for me? ๐Ÿง [17-Jul-24 11:04 AM] jcheung#0000 i have that on hand [17-Jul-24 11:04 AM] jvaler#0000 i only care about the faction rep after all lolol [17-Jul-24 11:05 AM] jvaler#0000 on astraeus?? [17-Jul-24 11:05 AM] jcheung#0000 oh derp [17-Jul-24 11:05 AM] jcheung#0000 astraeus [17-Jul-24 11:05 AM] jcheung#0000 have that on ANT and deimos my bad [17-Jul-24 11:05 AM] jvaler#0000 ah [17-Jul-24 11:05 AM] jvaler#0000 yeah i've got it at ANT too [17-Jul-24 11:06 AM] jcheung#0000 i can ship it if you want in a few hours [17-Jul-24 11:06 AM] jcheung#0000 need to go there anyways [17-Jul-24 11:07 AM] jvaler#0000 26k sound good to you? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1263165245703327844/image.png?ex=6814edcf&is=68139c4f&hm=26b42fe033243f9f0596136a0b909cc977d7715bf43ddc2fc3cd975ea2a56538& [17-Jul-24 11:09 AM] jcheung#0000 I'd be happy with half that ๐Ÿ˜ [17-Jul-24 11:09 AM] jvaler#0000 wonderful lol [17-Jul-24 11:10 AM] jvaler#0000 sent โœ… {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [17-Jul-24 04:37 PM] jvaler#0000 does anyone have a base on vulcan that has extra STO space i could rent out for a little bit? [17-Jul-24 04:37 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1263248252795617310/image.png?ex=6814925d&is=681340dd&hm=9151cd0ba3fe04ac70bf61f535a004d68fd38ce92149002d331ad041d3ed58a4& [17-Jul-24 04:40 PM] sidepipe#0000 I can rent some WAR there if that helps [17-Jul-24 04:40 PM] jvaler#0000 that would be perfect actually [17-Jul-24 04:41 PM] sidepipe#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1263249130088828929/image.png?ex=6814932e&is=681341ae&hm=dcaefe1c448b1337d98e3714e47c7530f770025ff50f191b6a6d55adcd1d0034& [17-Jul-24 04:41 PM] sidepipe#0000 just send whatever you need [17-Jul-24 04:41 PM] sidepipe#0000 I don't have a base so it won't go anywhere [17-Jul-24 04:41 PM] jvaler#0000 sent both conts, i'll tell u when to hit fulfill on the return cont [17-Jul-24 04:41 PM] jvaler#0000 tysm!! [17-Jul-24 04:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 np ๐Ÿ™‚ [17-Jul-24 05:10 PM] jvaler#0000 oooooops... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1263256611279999006/image.png?ex=68149a26&is=681348a6&hm=4346d72d764266cb41e4a52789d455937c24527a8084b05ced996098d5f33900& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [17-Jul-24 05:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol what [17-Jul-24 05:11 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm sure nothing will happen for the next month :^] [17-Jul-24 05:11 PM] jvaler#0000 i forgor to run [17-Jul-24 05:11 PM] jcheung#0000 Uh [17-Jul-24 05:11 PM] jcheung#0000 Well [17-Jul-24 05:12 PM] jcheung#0000 Maybe you can convince someone to re-run that planet's vote ๐Ÿ˜‚ [17-Jul-24 05:49 PM] Deleted User#0000 Jvaler forgor. [17-Jul-24 05:50 PM] Deleted User#0000 This will not be forgotten. [18-Jul-24 12:27 AM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/i-will-not-forget-this-dream-tom-sturridge-the-sandman-ill-keep-this-in-mind-gif-26663168 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/i-will-not-forget-this-dream-tom-sturridge-the-sandman-ill-keep-this-in-mind-gif-26663168 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/cCO8QdyDBzjyyc-wMAKaiv42Mpr9VT6z24XvyFuN5HU/https/media.tenor.com/Q_Nml2bmnR4AAAAe/i-will-not-forget-this-dream.png [18-Jul-24 12:44 AM] jcheung#0000 forget what? [18-Jul-24 05:57 AM] avalock#0000 woof [18-Jul-24 09:08 AM] razenpok#0000 ๐Ÿ’€ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1263497660858368101/image.png?ex=6814d1e5&is=68138065&hm=a0bcbdedd175b430f4152e2fa522076efae536c957bd2a446977bd3ab691dc56& [18-Jul-24 09:09 AM] razenpok#0000 (26k AIC opportunity btw) [18-Jul-24 09:14 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m doing my part ๐Ÿ˜„ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1263499138071531611/IMG_8407.png?ex=6814d345&is=681381c5&hm=fc161d49da00768559492d08a3b45193a976085d0295824a5b45cfb17c6682c6& {Reactions} actualchadthink (2) [18-Jul-24 09:20 AM] avalock#0000 i have once again drank 1/2 a gallon of water {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Œ (2) [18-Jul-24 09:21 AM] avalock#0000 i ran out of monster [18-Jul-24 09:22 AM] avalock#0000 too unhinged sorry [18-Jul-24 09:23 AM] sidepipe#0000 Sounds like a winning combo imo ๐Ÿ˜‚ [18-Jul-24 09:23 AM] avalock#0000 gotta see who wins ๐Ÿคฃ [18-Jul-24 09:23 AM] jvaler#0000 forced to make healthy choices... it's so over [18-Jul-24 09:24 AM] avalock#0000 nah iโ€™m going shopping this weekend, i got my new id so ||alcohol has been unlocked|| [18-Jul-24 09:24 AM] avalock#0000 i will be responsible tho [18-Jul-24 09:25 AM] jvaler#0000 oh interesting lol [18-Jul-24 09:25 AM] razenpok#0000 we're so back [18-Jul-24 09:25 AM] jvaler#0000 wait true [18-Jul-24 09:26 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™ll make sure not to chat here ๐Ÿ˜… [18-Jul-24 09:28 AM] avalock#0000 my biceps feel nice aaaa [18-Jul-24 09:28 AM] jvaler#0000 well just depends on what u bring up lol [18-Jul-24 09:28 AM] avalock#0000 its safer if drunk Avacyn doesnโ€™t lmfao [18-Jul-24 09:29 AM] jvaler#0000 probably... [18-Jul-24 09:30 AM] avalock#0000 if need be iโ€™ll make a thread in #associate-offtopic ๐Ÿคฃ [18-Jul-24 09:40 AM] jvaler#0000 my LCB is busy with hermes, could i get you to take some LST, SIO, & H to heph? [18-Jul-24 09:46 AM] sidepipe#0000 Sure, just send me contracts ๐Ÿ™‚ [18-Jul-24 09:47 AM] sidepipe#0000 If you want it taken ASAP, please send it in a way that will fit into 2 WCBs - my spare LCB is heading back from Nike [18-Jul-24 09:47 AM] jvaler#0000 hmm WCBs might be even better [18-Jul-24 09:47 AM] jvaler#0000 lemme consult FIDO [18-Jul-24 09:58 AM] jvaler#0000 i think i'll just do 1 WCB, H in another WCB is kinda wasteful [18-Jul-24 09:58 AM] jvaler#0000 i'll bring that myself next time i import STL [18-Jul-24 09:58 AM] jvaler#0000 sent conts with backhaul though [18-Jul-24 02:47 PM] jvaler#0000 @sidepipe could i get my BGO back? tysm btw {Reactions} ๐Ÿ“จ [18-Jul-24 02:47 PM] jvaler#0000 cont `OR5QVYO` [18-Jul-24 07:12 PM] Deleted User#0000 @marat_sh Welcome to ADI, I've given you roles so you should be able to see everything applicable to you. [18-Jul-24 07:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 #channel-information has a good lay of the land for yourself, so I'd start there. ^^ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [22-Jul-24 12:58 AM] razenpok#0000 Oooo, this is going to be expensive {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1264823946340077658/image.png?ex=681507d8&is=6813b658&hm=0807aa95b93cd6bb8333d3636e4eb67f0a4eb9cee427211b7487235f3ee66f5e& [22-Jul-24 12:59 AM] razenpok#0000 (ignore the last sentence of the mission description) {Reactions} KEKW (2) [22-Jul-24 12:59 AM] jcheung#0000 in 16 days? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ [22-Jul-24 12:59 AM] razenpok#0000 I feel ambitious [22-Jul-24 01:03 AM] realharvey#0000 Switching a ship from the standard hullplates to lhp also counts {Reactions} pog [22-Jul-24 01:04 AM] razenpok#0000 Then it will take way less time :blobthink: [22-Jul-24 01:04 AM] razenpok#0000 Thanks for the tip! [22-Jul-24 01:17 AM] jcheung#0000 that feels cheaty ๐Ÿ˜‚ [22-Jul-24 01:36 AM] Deleted User#0000 Not really. [22-Jul-24 01:37 AM] Deleted User#0000 Either way, you pretty much pay off the cost of the LHP anyway. [22-Jul-24 01:53 AM] realharvey#0000 Contracts are designed to generate a little profit when you fullfill them with items from the CX. This contract is right in line with that [22-Jul-24 05:28 AM] nyanism#0000 Just remember to paint the right badge {Reactions} pumkin [22-Jul-24 07:37 AM] razenpok#0000 ๐Ÿ’€ 2: Electric Boogaloo {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1264924398792736841/image.png?ex=6814bca5&is=68136b25&hm=a4c07f8b5ee67c0e47e1f106795bbdd1f48636182e7b610257e6230edc0e5442& [22-Jul-24 07:43 AM] akyantor#0000 Sodโ€™s Law. Iโ€™m one base away from having my lfab production ready. [22-Jul-24 07:44 AM] akyantor#0000 Will be at least a week until Iโ€™m ready. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [22-Jul-24 07:44 AM] sidepipe#0000 I put my last 55 LBH up at frankly ridiculous prices [22-Jul-24 07:44 AM] sidepipe#0000 โ€ฆhopefully it motivates someone else to list some? ๐Ÿ˜„ [22-Jul-24 07:45 AM] akyantor#0000 I suspect Iโ€™m going to get burned trying to build that last base. [22-Jul-24 07:45 AM] sidepipe#0000 Do you need LBH for it? [22-Jul-24 07:45 AM] sidepipe#0000 Cause I can provide them at frankly reasonable prices too ๐Ÿ˜ [22-Jul-24 07:47 AM] akyantor#0000 It appears luckily not. LSE/LTA. Thankfully. [22-Jul-24 07:47 AM] akyantor#0000 Just double checked my plan [22-Jul-24 07:48 AM] akyantor#0000 I've already the base built on Nike, just only built a couple of PP1, left the PP2 until I had my AL base on Vulcan built. *Should be able to build the Vulcan base this week, and perhaps even the PP2.* [22-Jul-24 07:48 AM] sidepipe#0000 Nice ๐Ÿ™‚ [22-Jul-24 07:49 AM] akyantor#0000 I am still in the market for 4 LSE [22-Jul-24 07:49 AM] akyantor#0000 For the Vulcan base first. [22-Jul-24 07:49 AM] sidepipe#0000 You could buy AL off the market for this first week - just something to consider [22-Jul-24 07:50 AM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, may be worth a pivot. Could sell down my stockpile of ALO to fund it [22-Jul-24 07:50 AM] sidepipe#0000 And Iโ€™ve got some LSE! You can send for it at OOG price ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [22-Jul-24 07:52 AM] akyantor#0000 tbh, might have enough funds to start both earlier on this week. Will have to work it out tonight [22-Jul-24 07:55 AM] akyantor#0000 Contract sent. ๐Ÿ™‚ [22-Jul-24 08:15 AM] evany.#0000 I did the same last week with bbh [22-Jul-24 08:15 AM] evany.#0000 Npc order at 2400. I was selling at 2350 like 700 units [22-Jul-24 10:31 AM] .shiva.#0000 Bbh and bse regularly run into MM orders [22-Jul-24 10:59 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I sell STSs that you can upgrade a ship with for 150k [22-Jul-24 11:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 man I need to turn on my faction CONTs back on [22-Jul-24 11:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I brought some to market [23-Jul-24 01:07 AM] razenpok#0000 I'll probably do bhp->lhp replacement on my 500/500 starter. Same 150k, but more straightforward benefit [23-Jul-24 01:10 AM] Deleted User#0000 He just REALLY likes to sell his STSs. [23-Jul-24 01:18 AM] jcheung#0000 ~~better than STDs~~ {Reactions} โŒ [23-Jul-24 01:41 AM] riseoffilth#0000 i only have 300 of them [23-Jul-24 01:41 AM] riseoffilth#0000 no big deal [23-Jul-24 04:23 AM] avalock#0000 std::launder {Reactions} bap ๐ŸŒญ [23-Jul-24 04:43 AM] avalock#0000 I'm the one being clean here [23-Jul-24 04:43 AM] avalock#0000 >:c [23-Jul-24 08:46 PM] Deleted User#0000 Gateways seem to be coming along much quicker than I had anticipated. [23-Jul-24 08:46 PM] Deleted User#0000 Definitely something I'd like to see more of. [25-Jul-24 03:36 PM] xtc69#0000 when you deconstruct do you get full mats ? [25-Jul-24 03:37 PM] jvaler#0000 within a certain timeframe yes, but over time you'll get less back due to building degradation [25-Jul-24 03:37 PM] jvaler#0000 you would have had to repair that degradation anyways though so it's not necessarily less efficient to deconstruct things (except for habitats and storages, those don't ever need to be repaired so try not to deconstruct those if you don't need to) [25-Jul-24 03:37 PM] jcheung#0000 i think it's 2 hrs? [25-Jul-24 03:38 PM] jcheung#0000 ....1 hr for sure [25-Jul-24 03:38 PM] jvaler#0000 i thought it was like 24hrs lol [25-Jul-24 03:38 PM] jvaler#0000 idk [25-Jul-24 03:38 PM] jcheung#0000 off to read the tutorials [25-Jul-24 03:38 PM] jvaler#0000 i doubt that's listed info but maybe [25-Jul-24 03:39 PM] jcheung#0000 i know i read it somewhere [25-Jul-24 03:40 PM] xtc69#0000 guessing that not worth it {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266132898382348358/image.png?ex=681484e6&is=68133366&hm=32ae2724508f68eebd85949e7448b2c19187c4c6351caf3c536c4f1567c63c6c& [25-Jul-24 03:40 PM] jvaler#0000 oop [25-Jul-24 03:40 PM] jvaler#0000 okay i'm pretty sure that's already at maximum degradation so you'll get nothing back, right? [25-Jul-24 03:40 PM] xtc69#0000 haha been a min since i have played so going to be behind on some things [25-Jul-24 03:41 PM] jcheung#0000 yech. that's a lot of degredation ๐Ÿ˜‚ [25-Jul-24 03:41 PM] jvaler#0000 so that building is technically running at 0 degradation cost, but it's also a super inefficient use of your consumables [25-Jul-24 03:41 PM] jvaler#0000 and consumables cost much more than degradation [25-Jul-24 03:41 PM] jvaler#0000 so i'd say either repair or deconstruct it [25-Jul-24 03:42 PM] xtc69#0000 going to deconstruct it [25-Jul-24 03:42 PM] xtc69#0000 guessing this is fuck to {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266133607450284132/image.png?ex=6814858f&is=6813340f&hm=5f63c3f54870e019e8e07fa8dab13a9026ab2c8c2f300461d99994fc6d712bb5& [25-Jul-24 03:43 PM] xtc69#0000 might be better to just restart agian lol [25-Jul-24 03:43 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266133702132633740/image.png?ex=681485a6&is=68133426&hm=9a8ee79167eaeffafb280d51d87787ef8b097cfefbfb9b19ef5b9d5455dba64b& [25-Jul-24 03:43 PM] jvaler#0000 how much money do you have? [25-Jul-24 03:43 PM] jvaler#0000 liquid that is [25-Jul-24 03:43 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266133758730567680/image.png?ex=681485b3&is=68133433&hm=6b1cb9f5c50b16bd78cf79391bcbbb17f56e6f86f358164b4405db3889f70b18& [25-Jul-24 03:43 PM] jvaler#0000 eek [25-Jul-24 03:43 PM] jvaler#0000 hmm [25-Jul-24 03:43 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266133808038543473/image.png?ex=681485bf&is=6813343f&hm=f2051b5556dbaeb19a4ed8075eb0fcf6b94a4b4e0a2687adfb4f9d0581698046& [25-Jul-24 03:44 PM] xtc69#0000 might be better to just restart isnt lol [25-Jul-24 03:44 PM] jvaler#0000 yeaah i'd restart tbh. you haven't generated enough profit for repairing everything to be worth it. you'll have more stuff by just COLIQing [25-Jul-24 03:46 PM] xtc69#0000 going to have to finish the contracts first [25-Jul-24 03:46 PM] jvaler#0000 if you've got PRO you could be eligible for AGP to give you 750k AIC for free too [25-Jul-24 03:46 PM] xtc69#0000 yeah still be worth restarting to though right [25-Jul-24 03:47 PM] xtc69#0000 even if i do get that [25-Jul-24 03:47 PM] jvaler#0000 looks like it yeah [25-Jul-24 03:47 PM] xtc69#0000 just did it [25-Jul-24 03:48 PM] jcheung#0000 what CONTs do you have [25-Jul-24 03:49 PM] xtc69#0000 i got around it [25-Jul-24 03:49 PM] jvaler#0000 i assume it was just the tutorial conts [25-Jul-24 03:49 PM] jcheung#0000 ahh [25-Jul-24 03:50 PM] jcheung#0000 well [25-Jul-24 03:50 PM] xtc69#0000 yea it was [25-Jul-24 03:51 PM] xtc69#0000 still best right {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266135639599087718/image.png?ex=68148774&is=681335f4&hm=07bdb27e277fe9d9b485705124b1d748f320a69eddeed7be523c234e0a87696f& [25-Jul-24 03:51 PM] jvaler#0000 at the moment i'd say it's pretty good yeah [25-Jul-24 03:52 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm not sure what the best necessarily is atm, but AL SME on deimos isn't the shitshow it was a few months ago anymore. (C prices had skyrocketed and AL prices hadn't increased yet to match) [25-Jul-24 03:53 PM] jvaler#0000 just remember to use the FLX recipe [25-Jul-24 03:54 PM] igfloz#0000 ...plus there are older players that are looking to settle on Deimos (that can't right now- planet full) ....Deimos as a starter is pretty good with what I have learned so far [25-Jul-24 03:55 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah i think you'll be glad to have deimos under your belt if you ever choose to go into construction later on. basically everything within that requires AL [25-Jul-24 03:55 PM] xtc69#0000 what i plan on doing long term [25-Jul-24 03:56 PM] xtc69#0000 time to rebuild and be more eff with my cash ๐Ÿ™‚ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266136909588074639/image.png?ex=681488a2&is=68133722&hm=8dbbbe5c9ef6171819b9aa243e3e84e97e285420ea07b2bebe9aee303d025900& [25-Jul-24 03:56 PM] jvaler#0000 :D [25-Jul-24 03:58 PM] jcheung#0000 focus down them tutorial missions ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Jul-24 03:58 PM] jcheung#0000 from what i remember of them they're a nice boost [25-Jul-24 04:45 PM] archielvahr#0000 oh dang didn't know you were at max degredation when we were talking earlier XTC. Yeah probably good call to COLIQ [25-Jul-24 05:54 PM] xtc69#0000 haha no biggie working on my planner now then going to SME for sure this time lol [25-Jul-24 05:54 PM] xtc69#0000 and be active lol [25-Jul-24 06:01 PM] xtc69#0000 this is not worth it right due to 50% {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266168590911148173/image.png?ex=6814a624&is=681354a4&hm=51d31eef08d5cad529252050d74bf9ae64bd9857509ad4545595f8f144aea94a& [25-Jul-24 06:01 PM] xtc69#0000 eff [25-Jul-24 06:03 PM] xtc69#0000 what i got sof ar {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266168939201954004/image.png?ex=6814a677&is=681354f7&hm=78b648b2beff3b1f105eba70d92034be13e32e669d6e4751f91afa8238830d8b& [25-Jul-24 06:08 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah, that looks like a good start. You are extracting a lot more ore than you are using, so you will have access to sell. Your net profit will probably be higher if you build more SMEs than EXTs. [25-Jul-24 06:09 PM] xtc69#0000 just got it {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266170411004067920/image.png?ex=6814a7d6&is=68135656&hm=95205596ce38ec720f5792aa4d3f8822d07beb41f77afd322fd00f5d82601d43& [25-Jul-24 06:09 PM] xtc69#0000 bit higher {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266170575219458048/image.png?ex=6814a7fd&is=6813567d&hm=7b0dfaf2ade21ed5ac2b68cca60c7adf100ce710911c1a73c1a98744124ec744& [25-Jul-24 06:09 PM] xtc69#0000 or wait lowerd [25-Jul-24 06:13 PM] jcheung#0000 You're free license right? [25-Jul-24 06:13 PM] xtc69#0000 not anymore [25-Jul-24 06:13 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266171552001425508/image.png?ex=6814a8e6&is=68135766&hm=e86caabfb1fc44a9b9534db643623a53039a159f7634311f811a46dd0cc81128& [25-Jul-24 06:13 PM] jcheung#0000 Ah. Why not plan for usage of grant and apply for that? ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Jul-24 06:14 PM] xtc69#0000 about to ๐Ÿ™‚ why checking my build first before going for grant [25-Jul-24 06:14 PM] xtc69#0000 i dont want to waste the money and be a fuck up lol [25-Jul-24 06:18 PM] jcheung#0000 Yeah. True. [25-Jul-24 06:22 PM] xtc69#0000 where it says 50% does that mater or is it just telling me i will be using 50% of my SME to produce 12 AL just making sure lol might be to lit to spreadsheet lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266173644347019346/image.png?ex=6814aad9&is=68135959&hm=e61f69b64a42a968088fee42da51951019d9564e6d6deafa7b610a5c655959b0& [25-Jul-24 06:27 PM] marat_sh#0000 you can adjust ratios % is a daily usage of your queue [25-Jul-24 06:27 PM] marat_sh#0000 since its same recepie it has 50/50 split [25-Jul-24 06:27 PM] xtc69#0000 aww i see so be best to make AU then cause of ROI {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266175127280943235/image.png?ex=6814ac3a&is=68135aba&hm=1f4fadae69a617d3f491cde5dedfc1d51be536cbb3786733744fe828c828b8f9& [25-Jul-24 06:28 PM] marat_sh#0000 sorry I didn't read before posts ๐Ÿ˜… only the last screenshot [25-Jul-24 06:29 PM] xtc69#0000 no worry [25-Jul-24 06:29 PM] xtc69#0000 @archielvahr would that be to costly for starter {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266175530076733491/image.png?ex=6814ac9a&is=68135b1a&hm=c342d55d9dc709aaa0714ca735c72b25b648fccd62f971c9b4a3b6e61126746c& [25-Jul-24 06:29 PM] marat_sh#0000 look how much it makes per day [25-Jul-24 06:29 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266175578399178813/image.png?ex=6814aca6&is=68135b26&hm=c9d2774b8b099f425a3220094833aaf6a4c8d651ff97c43db70411af1682bc1a& [25-Jul-24 06:29 PM] marat_sh#0000 and check how many it's traded per day [25-Jul-24 06:29 PM] xtc69#0000 with only 2 expert {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266175621999099935/image.png?ex=6814acb0&is=68135b30&hm=944fe9db3b230b930eff68fcd051ae29264bafc82bf09618100c6d97f05a32f6& [25-Jul-24 06:30 PM] marat_sh#0000 metallurgy* [25-Jul-24 06:31 PM] marat_sh#0000 wanna join VC? I think it would be faster then typing ๐Ÿ˜… [25-Jul-24 06:31 PM] jcheung#0000 So you have 3 batches of 1 and 3 of another 3+3 = total of 6 3/6 = 50% Each recipe is scheduled to run half the time [25-Jul-24 06:32 PM] xtc69#0000 aww make sence [25-Jul-24 06:32 PM] xtc69#0000 would have to wait mic part lol [25-Jul-24 06:34 PM] marat_sh#0000 AU isn't worth as main making focus on It's not being traded daily [25-Jul-24 06:35 PM] marat_sh#0000 Ti though is [25-Jul-24 06:35 PM] marat_sh#0000 lower order size for AU and increase for Ti [25-Jul-24 06:35 PM] xtc69#0000 i see where i can see the demand {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266177145101881445/image.png?ex=6814ae1b&is=68135c9b&hm=aebc5832d02c0a3e59c9c7b1e22bdbc8ca45e9fcfcc20e074fbd72c27653da00& [25-Jul-24 06:36 PM] marat_sh#0000 Yeah See traded ^ [25-Jul-24 06:36 PM] marat_sh#0000 it's also good to check in game [25-Jul-24 06:36 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266177386580541470/image.png?ex=6814ae55&is=68135cd5&hm=05dd5a27f7f3f98ad73b2f7213b618097894a99d4e62e518c862466ca5caaf33& [25-Jul-24 06:37 PM] marat_sh#0000 Last time gold was traded 3 days ago [25-Jul-24 06:37 PM] marat_sh#0000 54 units [25-Jul-24 06:37 PM] marat_sh#0000 three was a full week of no sales [25-Jul-24 06:38 PM] jcheung#0000 AU is best refined where it's used because refining it adds a shitload of mass [25-Jul-24 06:38 PM] jcheung#0000 From my understanding [25-Jul-24 06:39 PM] marat_sh#0000 yeah from 11.58t to 38.64t [25-Jul-24 06:40 PM] marat_sh#0000 I would say refine gold only if you have specific buyer [25-Jul-24 06:40 PM] marat_sh#0000 and smelt anything that is being used daily [25-Jul-24 06:40 PM] xtc69#0000 yea setting up a chart scren for sure [25-Jul-24 06:40 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266178353480859730/image.png?ex=6814af3b&is=68135dbb&hm=9d105d4fa2a53a7d17c8ae6115edf491342f7816d622a69e4e40644c24703401& [25-Jul-24 06:42 PM] marat_sh#0000 also look at the numbers here [25-Jul-24 06:42 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266178818217869342/image.png?ex=6814afaa&is=68135e2a&hm=6645efde35461686e48836648d3c2370bd67bcf0b618d46741aae8641c824bf6& [25-Jul-24 06:43 PM] marat_sh#0000 Al has high volume [25-Jul-24 06:43 PM] marat_sh#0000 why? base it's used in construction [25-Jul-24 06:44 PM] marat_sh#0000 also look at the orders [25-Jul-24 06:44 PM] marat_sh#0000 I usually look at top 5 [25-Jul-24 06:44 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266179370670620783/image.png?ex=6814b02e&is=68135eae&hm=0ae98444d7f97157f5fc1fe0c532eaaf811d9f6b941dd1dac71990322ef44edd& [25-Jul-24 06:45 PM] xtc69#0000 this looks right ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266179549213884416/image.png?ex=6814b059&is=68135ed9&hm=f16f5afa1ecb528e1513c818aa0e2dd6ba1126d7f0870fe5d45014d53fc6a585& [25-Jul-24 06:45 PM] marat_sh#0000 share the link [25-Jul-24 06:45 PM] marat_sh#0000 top right [25-Jul-24 06:46 PM] marat_sh#0000 save the plan first [25-Jul-24 06:46 PM] xtc69#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/a5bb0db3-af8c-4968-8bab-07d41b5c83a0 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/a5bb0db3-af8c-4968-8bab-07d41b5c83a0 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [25-Jul-24 06:48 PM] marat_sh#0000 spliting same order in two doesn't do anything [25-Jul-24 06:48 PM] marat_sh#0000 3 / 3 spit is same as 3 [25-Jul-24 06:49 PM] marat_sh#0000 3 orders would use 50% of the day and other 3 orders would use other 50%. It's same as one 3 orders use 100% of the day [25-Jul-24 06:49 PM] xtc69#0000 aww k [25-Jul-24 06:49 PM] marat_sh#0000 3 of 50% + 3 of 50% = 3 of 100% [25-Jul-24 06:51 PM] marat_sh#0000 since it's a Metallurgy planet I would swap for more SME [25-Jul-24 06:51 PM] xtc69#0000 so max SME going to cost roughly 1m for everything so going to have to split that in half for grant right [25-Jul-24 06:51 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266181181167374437/image.png?ex=6814b1de&is=6813605e&hm=59ee49988f472e3ecd27a52d0244469e545b250aa24bd64ea537059fe45355af& [25-Jul-24 06:52 PM] marat_sh#0000 that is a big investment [25-Jul-24 06:52 PM] marat_sh#0000 you also gotta remember that u need to buy consumables [25-Jul-24 06:52 PM] xtc69#0000 correct lol [25-Jul-24 06:52 PM] xtc69#0000 well it minis the CM [25-Jul-24 06:52 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266181412491362414/image.png?ex=6814b215&is=68136095&hm=91f368e4f8e21b611a1191fc8afeaa3f9d88a20bbf6054b7d53e77e221fedb24& [25-Jul-24 06:53 PM] xtc69#0000 was thinking of doing just half of that size first [25-Jul-24 06:53 PM] xtc69#0000 to get money rolling first [25-Jul-24 06:54 PM] marat_sh#0000 Sounds good on paper [25-Jul-24 06:54 PM] marat_sh#0000 Some times if you wouldn't have sales for Al [25-Jul-24 06:55 PM] marat_sh#0000 you can split some of your smelting for Ti [25-Jul-24 06:55 PM] marat_sh#0000 and just buy ore [25-Jul-24 06:56 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/6118d150-e94c-443e-b154-155325c51004 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/6118d150-e94c-443e-b154-155325c51004 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [25-Jul-24 06:56 PM] marat_sh#0000 something like this [25-Jul-24 06:57 PM] marat_sh#0000 for each 2 orders of AL you would have 1 order of Ti [25-Jul-24 06:57 PM] marat_sh#0000 Ti would be better for ROI if you can reliably sell it [25-Jul-24 07:01 PM] xtc69#0000 yea if the demand was there [25-Jul-24 07:01 PM] xtc69#0000 starting to understand for sure [25-Jul-24 07:02 PM] marat_sh#0000 I mean Ti is selling better then AU for sure but not in the same volumes as Al [25-Jul-24 07:51 PM] xtc69#0000 how does this grant work ? got a buyer i think for building suply [25-Jul-24 07:51 PM] xtc69#0000 supply [25-Jul-24 07:56 PM] archielvahr#0000 Sweet. Yeah post a reminder and ping me in the agp operations. Iโ€™m out on the town at the moment but Iโ€™ll be home in a in a couple hours [25-Jul-24 07:56 PM] archielvahr#0000 Then Iโ€™ll send you sweet sweet cash [25-Jul-24 08:01 PM] xtc69#0000 okay i send you a message about a suppier who could help with discount was going to have you take a look at it [25-Jul-24 08:03 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah the name is familiar I think heโ€™s cool [25-Jul-24 08:06 PM] xtc69#0000 ight i think he got a good deal just need to see what else i need [25-Jul-24 08:50 PM] xtc69#0000 does this look right for how much i have {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266211082804920442/image.png?ex=6814cdb7&is=68137c37&hm=a215040e0e921b6a10ed2efe607418faa1fd0354eed6556f17a2b1e68d3c6a9b& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266211083119628381/image.png?ex=6814cdb7&is=68137c37&hm=e073560d0d1941b0655f90f974106ad3baed5fde138a6a8c53e26151f7d4ca42& [25-Jul-24 08:51 PM] xtc69#0000 looking at 10k daily cost for food just making sure that is right wish i could add fuel on each trip roughly [25-Jul-24 09:37 PM] jcheung#0000 have too much housing [25-Jul-24 09:38 PM] jcheung#0000 i would personally try to squeeze in some more EXTs, but that's up to you [25-Jul-24 09:38 PM] jcheung#0000 use "optimize" by the housing [25-Jul-24 09:38 PM] tanda#0000 squeeze in the EXTs, if you have excess, I can buy all of it at market rates [25-Jul-24 09:38 PM] jcheung#0000 i would also put in some STOs [25-Jul-24 09:38 PM] tanda#0000 I would recommend two, personally [25-Jul-24 09:39 PM] jcheung#0000 that said if you're set on having exactly this design, remove 2 HB1's and that should (i think) also reduce your 10k workforce cost a little? [25-Jul-24 09:40 PM] tanda#0000 you only pay (or employ) the pops you have both housing and jobs for [25-Jul-24 09:40 PM] jcheung#0000 just checked via prunplanner [25-Jul-24 09:40 PM] jcheung#0000 you pay upkeep on housing, not employed [25-Jul-24 09:40 PM] tanda#0000 so that's just an extra 200 room. You could definitely do better with that space, at the least [25-Jul-24 09:42 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266224098652979210/Screenshot_2024-07-25_194149.png?ex=6814d9d6&is=68138856&hm=27134ffe58022f98ca3ec435cbb18f596121bbc2d61f6d23fec85a0ddb097e61& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266224099303231558/Screenshot_2024-07-25_194212.png?ex=6814d9d6&is=68138856&hm=4f09acbe5fec536e39500385e03877cbc5c2c23a2814654be956017eaf433bc7& [25-Jul-24 09:42 PM] tanda#0000 thankfully housing does not require upkeep itself, but we don't pay for pops we don't have jobs for [25-Jul-24 09:43 PM] jcheung#0000 hmmm. [25-Jul-24 09:43 PM] jcheung#0000 oh, stupid me i decreased instead of increasing [25-Jul-24 09:43 PM] jcheung#0000 heh [25-Jul-24 09:43 PM] tanda#0000 but yeah, that housing is definitely better used for STOs [25-Jul-24 09:43 PM] tanda#0000 if nothing else the QOL improvement is huge [25-Jul-24 09:46 PM] jcheung#0000 at minimum 1 STO is a godsend [25-Jul-24 09:46 PM] jcheung#0000 it's like triple the base capacity of CM [25-Jul-24 09:46 PM] xtc69#0000 didnt even see that housing lol [25-Jul-24 09:46 PM] jcheung#0000 more, actually [25-Jul-24 09:46 PM] jcheung#0000 i see stupid things, and then i miss obvious stuff [25-Jul-24 09:46 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, one STO brings you up by 5k storage [25-Jul-24 09:47 PM] xtc69#0000 StO is housing right the next tier [25-Jul-24 09:47 PM] jcheung#0000 no [25-Jul-24 09:47 PM] tanda#0000 no, STO is storage units [25-Jul-24 09:47 PM] jcheung#0000 it's a warehouse block [25-Jul-24 09:47 PM] xtc69#0000 on planner ? [25-Jul-24 09:47 PM] jcheung#0000 it's where your ore will live ๐Ÿ˜‰ [25-Jul-24 09:47 PM] xtc69#0000 maybe not seeing it [25-Jul-24 09:47 PM] jcheung#0000 it's grouped with the housing [25-Jul-24 09:47 PM] tanda#0000 it's with housing on PRUn Planner, yeah [25-Jul-24 09:48 PM] jcheung#0000 but it's not housing [25-Jul-24 09:48 PM] tanda#0000 bottom right on that panel [25-Jul-24 09:48 PM] xtc69#0000 see it {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266225525035368448/image.png?ex=6814db2a&is=681389aa&hm=e536ae2026f57b630d80fc0ffb3714f568a525ab22416a1db4c2c3a3ddb2a521& [25-Jul-24 09:48 PM] jcheung#0000 i was also confused when i first saw it [25-Jul-24 09:48 PM] jcheung#0000 housing, housing, housing, housing, housing..... not housing? [25-Jul-24 09:49 PM] xtc69#0000 hahah [25-Jul-24 09:52 PM] tanda#0000 Outside of electronic planets like Malahat, STOs are basically mandatory unless you want to be doing daily supply runs {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266226489100210197/Screenshot_2024-07-25_195129.png?ex=6814dc10&is=68138a90&hm=29d02fcc65c30d8233c87b0c5857e3c4eb565c24579d51f7cb66151834939119& [25-Jul-24 09:53 PM] jcheung#0000 eh.... i think you can get away with it for PG bases. can hold 4 or so days in CM, and another few days if you have access to WAR [25-Jul-24 09:54 PM] tanda#0000 I think my new screen setup has made me start avoiding warehouses in general [25-Jul-24 09:54 PM] jcheung#0000 granted, that does mean you need to check in at least once in those 4 days [25-Jul-24 09:54 PM] jcheung#0000 what's your new setup? [25-Jul-24 09:54 PM] jcheung#0000 show me yours and i'll show you the cancer that will be my PG base ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Jul-24 09:54 PM] jcheung#0000 i assure you it'll make you want to scrub your eyeballs with sandpaper [25-Jul-24 09:55 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266227327386255370/Screenshot_2024-07-25_195457.png?ex=6814dcd8&is=68138b58&hm=4d238e558677840394b705001a39e01028d5be906a4a2d1d4289a7beed374a3e& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266227328040571035/Screenshot_2024-07-25_195507.png?ex=6814dcd8&is=68138b58&hm=cbd0da8454ed8886b5a7a206a08fe4238f7635b7817aac216ae7e07d837269dd& [25-Jul-24 09:55 PM] jcheung#0000 ah [25-Jul-24 09:55 PM] tanda#0000 I have two screens to fit all my bases, one for Harmonia>Nascent>Deimos>ZV-194b, and one for standalone bases [25-Jul-24 09:55 PM] jcheung#0000 you have multiple bases on one screen. i've been thinking about doing that [25-Jul-24 09:57 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266227784548876359/image.png?ex=6814dd45&is=68138bc5&hm=c0f0fafb963e9ed2aa7473b927f334f5062b6691099f82c8200256a088cd53cf& [25-Jul-24 09:57 PM] tanda#0000 yeah! 8 bases got to be too much for even one or even two per screen [25-Jul-24 09:58 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm having trouble deciding what i'd want to trim if i start compressing screens.... but i'm sure i'll do it eventually [25-Jul-24 09:58 PM] tanda#0000 I would start with the contract drafts, honestly. Bury them on a screen somewhere else if you need to [25-Jul-24 09:58 PM] jcheung#0000 this is my normal {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266228234702426192/image.png?ex=6814ddb0&is=68138c30&hm=ab3a0882a2c23c78b0de93266c454aaaef7f686f11e049be756b31ddaca6db6f& [25-Jul-24 09:59 PM] tanda#0000 I got rid of COMP and COMG buffers entirely as well, I just run one COM buffer that blinks at me [25-Jul-24 09:59 PM] jcheung#0000 that one is special because i keep misplacing conts [25-Jul-24 09:59 PM] jcheung#0000 eh, yeah... that would be the first to go [25-Jul-24 10:00 PM] marat_sh#0000 I am glad that I just need to use one for now [25-Jul-24 10:00 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266228513988546570/image.png?ex=6814ddf3&is=68138c73&hm=e9a659a294568151375ce4f93931a7b5879468eb98d7d331a07f32aebeb2e118& [25-Jul-24 10:00 PM] tanda#0000 your BURN buffer can be smaller, just make it show reds so you can react in time [25-Jul-24 10:00 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah. WF is second in line to be cut [25-Jul-24 10:01 PM] jcheung#0000 i guess i don't need BS [25-Jul-24 10:01 PM] tanda#0000 I do like the thought process you have going here, but there's a couple things that greatly enhanced my experience [25-Jul-24 10:02 PM] jcheung#0000 the only thing i don't really like is the CX buffers [25-Jul-24 10:02 PM] tanda#0000 1) PMMG Extended on chrome or firefox 2) having a start page that holds my warning flags and my communications [25-Jul-24 10:02 PM] jcheung#0000 but this is personal preference [25-Jul-24 10:02 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266229188470509599/Screenshot_2024-07-25_200233.png?ex=6814de93&is=68138d13&hm=639f03e8d03cf15a2356c43bc969bbc2506b380b66c938209c9bdc605e9af8e8& [25-Jul-24 10:03 PM] tanda#0000 I'm extremely partial to this being my landing page. Tells me everything I need to keep track of except for contracts, and well, thats why I have my contracts screen [25-Jul-24 10:03 PM] marat_sh#0000 I use commands a lot [25-Jul-24 10:03 PM] marat_sh#0000 makes me feel cool like I am doing a job [25-Jul-24 10:03 PM] jcheung#0000 ~~i don't get paid enough for this~~ [25-Jul-24 10:04 PM] xtc69#0000 how do you make your UI like that ? [25-Jul-24 10:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 Browser extantion called PMMG [25-Jul-24 10:04 PM] xtc69#0000 maybe not working right lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266229690360660110/image.png?ex=6814df0b&is=68138d8b&hm=19a50eaad93bda9e7951b9b4c598be502225852259ff9fc6c7c3fe817b6a7c59& [25-Jul-24 10:05 PM] marat_sh#0000 I have all of my work on browsers so I don't want to mix it and use steam client [25-Jul-24 10:05 PM] tanda#0000 https://store.steampowered.com/app/254320/Duskers/ {Embed} https://store.steampowered.com/app/254320/Duskers/ Duskers In Duskers you pilot drones into derelict spaceships to find the means to survive and piece together how the universe became a giant graveyard. You are a drone operator, surrounded by old gritty tech that acts as your only eyes and ears to the outside world. What you hear comes through a remote microphone. What you see is how each drone sees the... Price $19.99 Recommendations 2094 Metacritic 83 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/A9uIPjg6lIthWqRqlxSdP69iZOv2F144XDRLlbQNZWU/%3Ft%3D1671221115/https/shared.akamai.steamstatic.com/store_item_assets/steam/apps/254320/header.jpg [25-Jul-24 10:05 PM] marat_sh#0000 Cool game Played it a lot [25-Jul-24 10:05 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://store.steampowered.com/app/605230/Grey_Hack/ {Embed} https://store.steampowered.com/app/605230/Grey_Hack/ Grey Hack Grey Hack is a massively multiplayer hacking simulator game.You're a hacker with full freedom to act as you wish on a vast network of procedurally generated computers.File Explorer, Terminal and Text Editor are some of the programs that will be available from the start of the game. As you improve your skills you will find new utilities that you ... Price $19.99 Recommendations 1364 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/lId5adlzD35GGDZQYA8B_v3x6FIZqM1BVf8vA3KTVGk/%3Ft%3D1713885604/https/shared.akamai.steamstatic.com/store_item_assets/steam/apps/605230/header.jpg [25-Jul-24 10:05 PM] marat_sh#0000 ^ [25-Jul-24 10:06 PM] marat_sh#0000 Or voices of the void [25-Jul-24 10:06 PM] marat_sh#0000 not really a typing game [25-Jul-24 10:06 PM] tanda#0000 I literally just enabled PMMG's minimalist mode an hour or so ago, so some things are more condensed [25-Jul-24 10:07 PM] xtc69#0000 not sure how to use it might need to read a guide [25-Jul-24 10:07 PM] xtc69#0000 not seeing this lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266230303261720576/image.png?ex=6814df9d&is=68138e1d&hm=3f918e7ae8b7a62cba80e92da40ad935ffe9e3bfe7685f2cefdb3e790e904e13& [25-Jul-24 10:07 PM] tanda#0000 if you have it installed, do XIT Help in a new buffer [25-Jul-24 10:07 PM] xtc69#0000 still fixing my windows and stuff [25-Jul-24 10:07 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266230426817527828/image.png?ex=6814dfbb&is=68138e3b&hm=2b594f12e016edc50f60de1e4f6fde25fd9079db7c63740d17d2791c6a03cb32& [25-Jul-24 10:07 PM] tanda#0000 it enables a bunch of new commands [25-Jul-24 10:07 PM] jcheung#0000 what changes? i haven't figured that out yet [25-Jul-24 10:08 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266230521831231538/image.png?ex=6814dfd1&is=68138e51&hm=f302b49283b9da785a5960500d63e3eb6aa508f4d33f0c5f0d4de352cf5f5e08& [25-Jul-24 10:08 PM] marat_sh#0000 are you trying to use it on steam? [25-Jul-24 10:08 PM] jcheung#0000 contact piboy [25-Jul-24 10:08 PM] tanda#0000 mostly ship buffers and I *think* it condensed my BASE menu [25-Jul-24 10:09 PM] jcheung#0000 i have it on but i haven't played enough to really properly appreaciate the difference ๐Ÿ˜‚ [25-Jul-24 10:11 PM] evany.#0000 I spun up my ns base [25-Jul-24 10:19 PM] xtc69#0000 does it just change it to green screen ? [25-Jul-24 10:19 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266233455021395968/image.png?ex=6814e28d&is=6813910d&hm=772621fe6fadcf7bd8b4901d6937f21e6e461ba15c35c917062ecb9f76b95d5a& [25-Jul-24 10:20 PM] xtc69#0000 aww is ee lol my bad [25-Jul-24 11:55 PM] xtc69#0000 @jcheung i had to install PmmG lol [26-Jul-24 12:03 AM] evany.#0000 ya if you dont have it i installed but you have the overviews from a different screen then youll get green buffer [26-Jul-24 12:03 AM] evany.#0000 i.e if your a bad boy and login from work or somethin [26-Jul-24 12:23 AM] xtc69#0000 haha [26-Jul-24 12:42 AM] xtc69#0000 who i talk to about MCG ? [26-Jul-24 01:05 AM] evany.#0000 #internal-offers [26-Jul-24 01:05 AM] evany.#0000 Then ask in #trading [26-Jul-24 01:06 AM] jcheung#0000 more specifically https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183249045624471582/1228507717250056272 [26-Jul-24 01:06 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1266275438297219102/image.png?ex=681509a6&is=6813b826&hm=dc879414a79bb30bb270d3c8f8129afaa8f30e5c344d5b3c16e79e9aa3419e8e& [26-Jul-24 01:50 AM] jcheung#0000 holy cow [26-Jul-24 01:50 AM] jcheung#0000 listed some MCG and it was gone in 10 minutes [26-Jul-24 06:46 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 - make some bfabs to offset your repair/expansion costs - no need to ship inputs, only outputs - do it with just one permit (2 if you want more) https://discord.com/channels/962667818900410388/979142077210316831/1217679961046126632 DNPC is looking for new members on Deimos and Nike. If you need funds just come ask, I'll sell all building materials needed at KAWA prices (about 1/3 CX price) and give a loan for them if needed. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™Œ (2) [26-Jul-24 11:46 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 I'd be interested in seeing what you're setting up on Deimos but the channel is locked. [26-Jul-24 11:52 AM] jvaler#0000 https://discord.gg/PpnRAZVH [26-Jul-24 11:54 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Is it not heresy to join other Corp Discords?? [26-Jul-24 11:55 AM] jcheung#0000 ADI isn't a corp [26-Jul-24 11:55 AM] jcheung#0000 and neither is AA [26-Jul-24 11:56 AM] jvaler#0000 well [26-Jul-24 11:57 AM] jvaler#0000 it's the distinction between "group" and "corp" imo. "corps" tend to have more rules regarding member trading behaviors and stuff, like KAWA for example [26-Jul-24 11:58 AM] jvaler#0000 ADI is a "group" in that you can associate with anyone and really do whatever you want. specific projects/programs *within* ADI tend to have more structure [26-Jul-24 02:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 I liked to think of ADI as Antares itself, where no matter the corporation we are all the same since we are all Antares. [26-Jul-24 02:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 In my eyes the whole exclusivity of corporations is a bit too restrictive and doesn't promote the same level of faction-wide growth as just open cooperation between members of a faction. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [26-Jul-24 02:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 Hence why this place never had, and hopefully never will, have any obligations like that, since it'd go against our selfless goal of helping Antares. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [26-Jul-24 02:59 PM] marat_sh#0000 I see corps as a group with specific goal in mind and faction as big family [26-Jul-24 11:59 PM] archielvahr#0000 So this will be the place to coordinate gateway lanes, once we know a little about lengths [27-Jul-24 12:00 AM] jcheung#0000 well, it's certainly one place to do so [27-Jul-24 02:36 AM] riseoffilth#0000 The goal has always been to make Antares the best in all things, the jewel of PrUn [27-Jul-24 08:41 PM] avalock#0000 ooo [27-Jul-24 08:42 PM] avalock#0000 I can play it on linux too [27-Jul-24 08:42 PM] avalock#0000 [AYO](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/921970631870914600.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=AYO) {Embed} https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/921970631870914600.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=AYO https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/C98o_4wb5fP5mPX-f6saVpkEG74rKfARdF-RhSUb0IQ/%3Fsize%3D48%26quality%3Dlossless%26name%3DAYO/https/cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/921970631870914600.gif [27-Jul-24 08:42 PM] avalock#0000 maybe I'm getting back into gaming [27-Jul-24 08:45 PM] marat_sh#0000 I would wait when it's on the sale [27-Jul-24 08:45 PM] marat_sh#0000 ones you make a hacking script it's an idle game [27-Jul-24 08:46 PM] marat_sh#0000 just like prun ๐Ÿ˜… [27-Jul-24 08:46 PM] avalock#0000 gg [27-Jul-24 08:46 PM] avalock#0000 already got [27-Jul-24 08:46 PM] avalock#0000 tbh [27-Jul-24 08:46 PM] avalock#0000 anything to practice a lil if it says its a bit realistic [27-Jul-24 08:47 PM] marat_sh#0000 concept is realistic not the execution. [27-Jul-24 08:48 PM] marat_sh#0000 good for practicing like any other programming puzzles [27-Jul-24 08:56 PM] avalock#0000 yeeee, love puzzles [29-Jul-24 01:11 PM] perac1#0000 Does AGP require license? [29-Jul-24 01:12 PM] jvaler#0000 basic at least, you need to be able to accept a contract [29-Jul-24 01:12 PM] perac1#0000 Well, that's unfortunate [29-Jul-24 05:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 One month is fairly cheap and you retain a lot of the features from it, mainly the ability to do contracts. [29-Jul-24 05:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'd recommend it strongly. [30-Jul-24 01:12 PM] hernanduer#0000 hey ADI, I don't like campaigning in discord but it seems that's the only way to get things done. I have exciting plans for Nike in making it an example for all Antares planets to follow. Unfortunately, it seems Rise doesn't feel the same way and would rather spend all the money we have on supposed gains in efficiency that will take a decade in real time to pay off. He would rather increase POPI levels spending millions, to save a couple thousand a week! Sounds ridiculous to me! Please vote for me, I'm always here to hear any inputs and advice! [30-Jul-24 01:50 PM] riseoffilth#0000 You use inputs that cost 3mil+ a month to oversupply the planet, claim itโ€™s all free and from your generosity and charity, and expect folks to thank you for it. Waste is waste. I plan on upgrading the planet and reducing monthly spending by from your 3mil+ down to under 2mil a month. I did it on Phobos and Iโ€™ll do it on Nike. You could have done it too, but for some reason, choose more expensive inputs. To me, thatโ€™s bad governing. [30-Jul-24 01:51 PM] hernanduer#0000 I've said numerous times what my planned expenses are once I no longer am donating old POPI parts. Expected spend: 2.28million [30-Jul-24 01:51 PM] hernanduer#0000 or about 75k/d [30-Jul-24 01:51 PM] riseoffilth#0000 And in a couple months when itโ€™s done and running smoothly, Iโ€™ll happily step asside and let someone else run for Gov. If itโ€™s you, I hope you continue my example. [30-Jul-24 01:56 PM] jcheung#0000 May i have more details of your "plans" and where they differ from rise's? With the limited information you have provided so far, i don't particularly see any reason to switch over [30-Jul-24 02:00 PM] hernanduer#0000 Sure! I'm aiming to utilize the more interesting mechanics, such as reimbursements for any inputs into the COGC through motions for anyone. This will hopefully allow younger players, such as those in ADI, a reasonable way to quickly get rid of some produced items. I hope to extend this to POPI in the future. Beyond that, now that I'm aware of potential improvements to the POPI levels, I'll take a deeper look at modifying those such that we can maintain a minimum cost going forward. [30-Jul-24 02:02 PM] hernanduer#0000 I try to have an open door to inputs, and have tried to express that as clearly in game chat as possible. I've been providing weekly updates, something Rise hasn't done on any of his other planets, and aim to continue to provide those so that everyone on the planet can be as informed as possible. I can show my plan (something Rise seems reticient to do) for POPI and how we aim to keep taxes as low as possible. Thanks to the buffer I've given us this past month in funds, we have options available. [30-Jul-24 02:03 PM] hernanduer#0000 So far, no one has ever come to me with any concerns. I've been running this planet for well over a year, and am saddened to see that proven history doesn't matter at all. [30-Jul-24 02:03 PM] hernanduer#0000 But! If you have any concerns, I'm always open and responsive [30-Jul-24 02:09 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm all for discussion but this really isn't the place for this. [30-Jul-24 02:09 PM] Deleted User#0000 This place is meant to be free from that kind of drama. [30-Jul-24 02:10 PM] hernanduer#0000 yes, I'm sorry about that, I'm not sure where or how Rise gets his votes, and I don't particularly like using non-game chat [30-Jul-24 02:10 PM] hernanduer#0000 but no one seems to use it, we can stop the discussion here if you'd prefer [30-Jul-24 02:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm fine with it so long as it doesn't turn into a spitting match like it seems to sometimes in game chats. [30-Jul-24 02:11 PM] Deleted User#0000 But if all it'll result in is insults back and forth, there's not much point. [30-Jul-24 02:11 PM] Deleted User#0000 Just keep it tame, I guess. [30-Jul-24 02:11 PM] hernanduer#0000 yes, I am only here to preach my goal for the planet to a wider audience [30-Jul-24 02:11 PM] hernanduer#0000 since, based on the votes, no one has been happy with my rule ๐Ÿ™‚ [30-Jul-24 02:11 PM] hernanduer#0000 I also want to understand [30-Jul-24 02:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 That's fine, just trying to keep the peace. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [30-Jul-24 02:13 PM] jcheung#0000 Can you define "get rid of produced items"? [30-Jul-24 02:13 PM] hernanduer#0000 sure, I had excess POPI I was providing because I thought they were more interesting to make [30-Jul-24 02:13 PM] hernanduer#0000 items like BID [30-Jul-24 02:14 PM] hernanduer#0000 oh, you mean for others to provide to POPI and COGC. I mean that as an outlet for their items, instead of hauling them to the CX [30-Jul-24 02:14 PM] jcheung#0000 No, i meant define it a bit more as used here [30-Jul-24 02:14 PM] hernanduer#0000 with POPI items, I hope it to make sense for others to make and bring the POPI need items to Nike, donate them, and to have reimbursement amounts that incentivize that action. [30-Jul-24 02:16 PM] hernanduer#0000 I hesitate to use the word "donate" since you will be compensated for it [30-Jul-24 02:16 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Contribute? [30-Jul-24 02:16 PM] hernanduer#0000 ah yeah [30-Jul-24 02:16 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Sell? [30-Jul-24 02:17 PM] hernanduer#0000 maybe once the store front is in, sell would make sense, but given the delayed repayment, ehhh [30-Jul-24 02:17 PM] hernanduer#0000 that reimbursement would be a weekly passed motion that includes repayment to all players who have contributed in the past week [30-Jul-24 02:18 PM] jcheung#0000 Wish i was at my computer to look at more things, but why BID? Is it just literally only to provide a sink for that material / because it's interesting? [30-Jul-24 02:18 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Do you feel that might be a little spammy for everyone contributing 50 mcg? [30-Jul-24 02:18 PM] hernanduer#0000 well that was just because I liked the idea of making non-standard items, and since OOG divded dividends the way it did, I would never get back all my money anyways, so I just did what I liked [30-Jul-24 02:19 PM] hernanduer#0000 that's no longer the case [30-Jul-24 02:19 PM] hernanduer#0000 maybe, there might need to be a limit of like 1k AIC worth of items [30-Jul-24 02:19 PM] hernanduer#0000 you can pass it all in a single motion though, so beyond having to click a dozen contracts or more as a government member, it's not a big deal [30-Jul-24 02:20 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I always forget that ๐Ÿ˜‚. That is a nice feature [30-Jul-24 02:20 PM] hernanduer#0000 that's why I was hoping to trial run with the COGC first [30-Jul-24 02:20 PM] hernanduer#0000 before adding in POPI in the near future [30-Jul-24 02:22 PM] jcheung#0000 Hmm. I mean, doing exotic inputs like that to sink/subsidize those items might be good, but at what cost? How much extra cost a month is there consuming exotic stuff? [30-Jul-24 02:23 PM] hernanduer#0000 oh, that's part of the change with my next term (assuming that occurs.) I will no longer be providing those [30-Jul-24 02:23 PM] hernanduer#0000 that is why the cost comparison Rise made above doesn't make sense - I'm simply emptying old inventory [30-Jul-24 02:23 PM] jcheung#0000 Btw if it feels like I'm attacking, I'm not trying to-i just only have mobile right now which sucks for research and i only have a month of experience [30-Jul-24 02:24 PM] hernanduer#0000 no no, I'm happy for the questions. I want to understand where everyone is coming from [30-Jul-24 02:26 PM] hernanduer#0000 for reference, this is my expected plan barring any increase in POPI building levels [30-Jul-24 02:26 PM] hernanduer#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1267926339113980016/image.png?ex=681473ac&is=6813222c&hm=5cebd0d6fa7f9d861ca5b5fc57efe409271eeb96e0b4b78eaa651c7cc021e9a6& [30-Jul-24 02:26 PM] hernanduer#0000 only ones with the checkmark will be used [30-Jul-24 02:27 PM] hernanduer#0000 and that totals about 75k/d at reimbursement values set as below {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1267926647273947296/image.png?ex=681473f5&is=68132275&hm=5b6c1ca45d1173a89da042080ce4d27b72895931373219b5476e87d7a2ca29fe& [30-Jul-24 02:28 PM] riseoffilth#0000 @hernanduer some say this, not me of course, but someโ€ฆ fulfillment numbers have been a bit all over the place in the past month, from 60% down to 20% and now this past week or so, back to 60%+ to 50%s across the board. Iโ€™ve heard reports that a 3rd SST input was used. Those same report list that as the most expensive input, where as SST upgrades tend to pretty cheap in the world of POPU inputs. Why not upgrade POPI BUIs instead of using drastically more expensive inputs, across the board? I have the occasional HOG and IDC and what not, but I donโ€™t throw them away for funsies when cheaper options exist. [30-Jul-24 02:28 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/reporting-live-back-to-you-in-the-studio-breaking-news-newsflash-gif-19298919 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/reporting-live-back-to-you-in-the-studio-breaking-news-newsflash-gif-19298919 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ugJHj-QAaKtCw0jn99-MmruDIIPOgKSMSlJhGKt4WKE/https/media.tenor.com/NkprToJueesAAAAe/reporting-live-back-to-you.png [30-Jul-24 02:29 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Especially as youโ€™ve been Governor forโ€ฆ 2 years? Did I hear ya say? [30-Jul-24 02:29 PM] hernanduer#0000 Yes, that has occurred, however I'd counter that the difference in cost between SUN and OFF is extremely minimal [30-Jul-24 02:29 PM] hernanduer#0000 on the order of merely pennies per satisfaction unit [30-Jul-24 02:30 PM] hernanduer#0000 milli-pennies even [30-Jul-24 02:30 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/abell46s-reface-mini-me-gif-527567897262279175 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/abell46s-reface-mini-me-gif-527567897262279175 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/WVAxeX_4jVnXxwan40JR8UrDPQqQx5wbNd63wT8BS9w/https/media.tenor.com/B1JMNRc3ygcAAAAe/abell46s-reface.png [30-Jul-24 02:30 PM] hernanduer#0000 8633 to 8820, given the numbers I provided above [30-Jul-24 02:30 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Shit that is the most expensive off I ever seen. Thatโ€™s a lie. Iโ€™ve seen 130 [30-Jul-24 02:30 PM] hernanduer#0000 I don't see the value in spending several hundred thousand to increase the SST level by 1, to save 100/d [30-Jul-24 02:30 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Wild prices none the less [30-Jul-24 02:31 PM] hernanduer#0000 OFF at 115? I thought I just saw that on CX a couple days ago [30-Jul-24 02:31 PM] hernanduer#0000 PG is bananas [30-Jul-24 02:31 PM] hernanduer#0000 *doubt* {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1267927619450441871/image.png?ex=681474dd&is=6813235d&hm=c5903d09c1887f48599c7f62e180cca0fb4ce7801fbd47317f9a96d06a3df94f& [30-Jul-24 02:31 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/bananas-shit-is-gif-26013117 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/bananas-shit-is-gif-26013117 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/gcRovFeUpSxU8Q6IJk-BVRpAV-_Oi_orYLoA8fCRtYc/https/media.tenor.com/DlzcGGzqPz4AAAAe/bananas-shit.png [30-Jul-24 02:31 PM] hernanduer#0000 it's at 145 ask right now [30-Jul-24 02:32 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Yeah. I actually just been talking with a guy, looking for more. Weโ€™ve spun up on OFF production to help bring prices down [30-Jul-24 02:32 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 yeah OFF is crazy right now [30-Jul-24 02:32 PM] hernanduer#0000 you'll find all those reimbursement values above are in between ask and bid on the CX as of this week [30-Jul-24 02:32 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Cause 145 is just hostile to anyone trying to govern from market [30-Jul-24 02:32 PM] hernanduer#0000 I just updated them like, Sunday [30-Jul-24 02:33 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'm #1 on OFF 90d lead and still a net buyer because governing ๐Ÿ˜ญ [30-Jul-24 02:34 PM] realharvey#0000 how many bases do you have just for OFF? [30-Jul-24 02:34 PM] jcheung#0000 Shit, suddenly i want to make a little off [30-Jul-24 02:35 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Impossible [30-Jul-24 02:36 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Well, I wanna get OFF, so if you make it, Iโ€™ll buy it [30-Jul-24 02:36 PM] realharvey#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1267928926890758217/image.png?ex=68147615&is=68132495&hm=09ff5e3354616867c3949b4b0f368df01d9ab50f79e67e33f2bf14cad5afe5f8& [30-Jul-24 02:37 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 we govern like 1.3 mil total population on 16 planets... it's a lot of OFF [30-Jul-24 02:37 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Whose that handsome devil in 3rd place ๐Ÿ˜Ž {Reactions} ๐Ÿšฒ [30-Jul-24 02:37 PM] jcheung#0000 MCG looks like it might be coming down anyhow, so I'll task my piddly two BMPs to off [30-Jul-24 02:37 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 just one. with 40 BMPs... [30-Jul-24 02:37 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 another making CL/EPO [30-Jul-24 02:37 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1267929112157093969/Screenshot_20240621_174400_Google.jpg?ex=68147641&is=681324c1&hm=2428a94788a2b5deb5e317888b9dff339e47b395678635c579affbe05218188c& [30-Jul-24 02:37 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/gagging-gag-gross-jim-carrey-gif-13338718 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/gagging-gag-gross-jim-carrey-gif-13338718 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/7BW2ZCfK7cUy3HM7-KP75QqC-g_h9njeV2G7hVvlpr8/https/media.tenor.com/I7iswCYiiXYAAAAe/gagging-gag.png [30-Jul-24 02:37 PM] riseoffilth#0000 MULTIPERMIT {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [30-Jul-24 02:38 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‚ [30-Jul-24 02:38 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/traffic-fbi-open-up-raid-gif-13450966 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/traffic-fbi-open-up-raid-gif-13450966 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/EL6WvYiuSLEfzxjIZSZb7QCXgNQ8bs22hFOv02QDcHY/https/media.tenor.com/_YqdfwYLiQ4AAAAe/traffic-fbi-open-up.png [30-Jul-24 02:38 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ๐Ÿ˜† I'm shutting down all my bases except that one to focus on governing stuff, so I increased it to 3 permits. I don't have time for 20 bases, lol [30-Jul-24 02:38 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'm governor there, I'll do what I want ๐Ÿ˜ [30-Jul-24 02:39 PM] realharvey#0000 If you don't use permits efficiently how do you want to govern efficiently? /sarcasm [30-Jul-24 02:39 PM] riseoffilth#0000 OOOOOOOO [30-Jul-24 02:39 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/slam-excited-hop-gif-15183461 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/slam-excited-hop-gif-15183461 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/X_sFt88KRx71PunHcpRpKKxWkeUmEKIg1gqH5RMPI0E/https/media.tenor.com/D9PFgKnYoQYAAAAe/slam-excited.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [30-Jul-24 02:39 PM] hernanduer#0000 hmmm, so this really begs the question [30-Jul-24 02:39 PM] hernanduer#0000 are you not using the current OFF prices on your planets Rise? How inefficient are you being? HMmmmmmm ๐Ÿ˜‰ [30-Jul-24 02:40 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I donโ€™t use market prices for anything I do [30-Jul-24 02:40 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Market prices have no inherent bearing on the actual cost of production with a reasonable markup [30-Jul-24 02:40 PM] hernanduer#0000 So it'll never make fiscal sense for someone to supply parts for your planets? [30-Jul-24 02:41 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Some indirect influence, absolutely. [30-Jul-24 02:41 PM] hernanduer#0000 Unless you've agreed to some kind of deal [30-Jul-24 02:41 PM] hernanduer#0000 they could just sell on the CX, after all [30-Jul-24 02:41 PM] riseoffilth#0000 If they are buying from market? Absolutely not. Which is why one of my main goals atm is loaning and granting money to people with the goal of increasing global supply of essential items like OFF, to lower CX prices [30-Jul-24 02:42 PM] jcheung#0000 Rise seems to have his own market lol [30-Jul-24 02:43 PM] riseoffilth#0000 It is my dream that one day, anyone can govern with the money collected by taxes, without having a vast collection of bases and excess production to be charitable benefactors, rather than governors, of a planet. [30-Jul-24 02:43 PM] hernanduer#0000 I'm aware, there's a whole discord server on it [30-Jul-24 02:43 PM] riseoffilth#0000 To do that, some influence is required to shape the market ๐Ÿ˜‚ [30-Jul-24 02:43 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Tbf, it ainโ€™t my discord. And itโ€™s definitely not dedicated to me ๐Ÿ˜‚ [30-Jul-24 02:44 PM] jcheung#0000 As a new player though, it really feels like the taxes are super low [30-Jul-24 02:44 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Kinda sorta not really. [30-Jul-24 02:44 PM] jcheung#0000 So this can probably be done now if people weren't such bitches about paying taxes [30-Jul-24 02:44 PM] jcheung#0000 Again, opinion [30-Jul-24 02:45 PM] riseoffilth#0000 If you completely buy from market and are slavish to its prices, itโ€™s market manipulation, and supply shortages, then absolutely. [30-Jul-24 02:45 PM] realharvey#0000 No one has anything against paying taxes if the money is spent in a meaningfull way. [30-Jul-24 02:45 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Because you will pay excessive amounts for regular stuff just because some rich asshole bought it all up. [30-Jul-24 02:45 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Because they can [30-Jul-24 02:45 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Because they know govs will be forced to buy it anyways [30-Jul-24 02:46 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I donโ€™t like to play that game [30-Jul-24 02:46 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I like to play my own game and come to a mutually beneficial arrangement for us all. Steady and consistent supply at fair and profitable prices [30-Jul-24 02:47 PM] riseoffilth#0000 OFF is WILDLY profitable. And you can do it as such, and make like 60k/day per base at 80/u [30-Jul-24 02:48 PM] riseoffilth#0000 It just isnโ€™t a item many people recognize, so getting people to make it at scale requires a push. But once they do? $$$ [30-Jul-24 02:48 PM] riseoffilth#0000 And that benefits all planets [30-Jul-24 02:48 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 idk. there's a lot of factors that go into KAWA's calculations for internal pricing based on ROI. And our prices correlate with CX prices *really* well actually. So I think think the market stabilizes around good prices pretty effectively and shortages resolve themselves fairly efficiently. Our price calculations when compared to CX do make it more apparent what items are *wildly* overpriced though, and OFF is almost on the top of the list right now... [30-Jul-24 02:48 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 OFF is almost as overpriced now as HMS was a few months ago, and that stuff was wild [30-Jul-24 02:48 PM] riseoffilth#0000 ๐Ÿ‘† [30-Jul-24 02:48 PM] realharvey#0000 whats the thought on C? [30-Jul-24 02:49 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Agri has gone up across the board. I think that, and lack of C production, caused the spike [30-Jul-24 02:49 PM] igfloz#0000 ..or people switching from RAT to C production ? [30-Jul-24 02:52 PM] jcheung#0000 Funnily enough i personally feel like the ease of switching production is actually a negative [30-Jul-24 02:52 PM] jcheung#0000 That rat price increase is scaring me [30-Jul-24 02:53 PM] igfloz#0000 ..that's kinda my point RAT price affect all of us long term [30-Jul-24 02:54 PM] sidepipe#0000 Guess I better get started on that next FP base [30-Jul-24 02:55 PM] realharvey#0000 Okay, we're getting a bit far away from the Nike governing discussion. Rise now has the most votes, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he will take over the leadership completely. Do you think you can come to an agreement? This discussion so far has been the most rational and free of personal attacks, which I think is very constructive. [30-Jul-24 02:55 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/thanks-mom-kevinmcgarry-weddingveil-smile-gif-24607060 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/thanks-mom-kevinmcgarry-weddingveil-smile-gif-24607060 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/6AA4L9TJ7AMdwgwHWqFu9NWPpItF0fy0yHwOHKGihRA/https/media.tenor.com/kf6MDGDbjlIAAAAe/thanks-mom.png [30-Jul-24 02:56 PM] jcheung#0000 Yeah, ideally both of you can compromise and meet somewhere in the middle [30-Jul-24 02:58 PM] hernanduer#0000 I would have loved to come to an agreement, but he said nothing in government chat about his concerns and instead DMd everyone on the planet to vote for him ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [30-Jul-24 02:58 PM] hernanduer#0000 that's the point of the government chat... [30-Jul-24 02:58 PM] hernanduer#0000 The only agreement possible now is him to drop and rejoin the race and recoup the votes to be a member [30-Jul-24 02:59 PM] hernanduer#0000 And of course I take his input (he does actually have to provide input though) and make things better for everyone [30-Jul-24 02:59 PM] hernanduer#0000 I won't be voting to reimburse for POPI level increases though, they don't make sense... (with the current market) [30-Jul-24 03:00 PM] hernanduer#0000 unless reasonable numbers are provided** [30-Jul-24 03:03 PM] riseoffilth#0000 @hernanduer despite what you think, despite the history, I would not be pushing for the votes for the top spot, if I felt you open to discussion. We have chatted many a times in many planet and discord chats. You and your Corp have a well known reputation for ignoring and quashing all criticism. You, as well as your Corp are active hostile to feedback. And the way your Corp managed funds before the changes, I abhorrently disagree with. It is theft and mismanagement to the highest degree of planet funds. But the patch changed that, and being the outsider who complains about stuff and spends hours arguing is not as fun as it once was. Iโ€™m more interested in getting stuff done, and my lingering impression of you is not one of working together. To this day, on (most) every planet a OOG candidate runs on, it is 90% OOG members and almost no one else voting for you. Surely you **MUST** question why that is. [30-Jul-24 03:04 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Regardless. I work with Archiel on phobos, I would with paris on various planets, I work with anyone who wants to be worked with. Iโ€™m happy to offer help to all. [30-Jul-24 03:05 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Ignore everything before this month, I see Nikeโ€™s fulfillment dumb and wasteful, and the concept of charity run planets is ridiculous and ego centric, in my view. [30-Jul-24 03:05 PM] hernanduer#0000 Eh, well it's a similar spread of poison over time. It'll take time to recover I imagine. I know we disagree with how the funds were kept, we saw it as helping new members. The funds were coming to us anyways (often in very low amounts, OOG consistently had the lowest taxes,) what we did with that money was our discretion. We as a corp chose to spread it around to our newest members. [30-Jul-24 03:06 PM] hernanduer#0000 I clearly see you think that way at this point. I thought I made it clear my intentions were to build a reasonable wallet [30-Jul-24 03:07 PM] hernanduer#0000 I made it clear so many times that I would begin withdrawing funds after the first government was over [30-Jul-24 03:07 PM] hernanduer#0000 and at reasonable amounts - not charity, hell I buy most on the CX [30-Jul-24 03:07 PM] hernanduer#0000 We needed a buffer, and instead of injecting funds like some players were doing, I chose to let the planet build its own funds [30-Jul-24 03:08 PM] hernanduer#0000 and I did that by continuing to supply all the POPI I had already manufactured, whether they made the most sense or not, because to me it was about getting Nike into a state to pay for its own needs after this FIRST month [30-Jul-24 03:09 PM] hernanduer#0000 it also made sense, so the first two weeks, many jobs were still switching off of OOG payment and onto government payment [30-Jul-24 03:09 PM] hernanduer#0000 I'm not sure how I could've made it any clearer this charity was temporary [30-Jul-24 03:11 PM] riseoffilth#0000 There is clearly a more optimal path that costs less across almost every type of fulfillment. No bullshit, no politics, honest answer. Why not just dig in and invest in POPI BUI upgrades to enable a cheaper operating costs? [30-Jul-24 03:11 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I donโ€™t give a shit about credit. I went for Phobos because it was dumb as rocks what was happening there [30-Jul-24 03:11 PM] hernanduer#0000 I haven't run the numbers yet because I didn't think we were at a point it needed to be run [30-Jul-24 03:11 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I went in, took money, and used it to fix it. [30-Jul-24 03:12 PM] hernanduer#0000 clearly you had [30-Jul-24 03:12 PM] hernanduer#0000 you could have brought it up instead of going around my back [30-Jul-24 03:12 PM] realharvey#0000 hey lets stay away from accusations [30-Jul-24 03:12 PM] hernanduer#0000 bah, I just mean he's saying it all now, it's clearly something he's been thinking about [30-Jul-24 03:12 PM] hernanduer#0000 why not mention it? [30-Jul-24 03:13 PM] hernanduer#0000 he saved it all for the election because why? [30-Jul-24 03:13 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I could have brought it up, and you, given all previous experience would have ignored me. I have the votes now to force the upgrades and make the planet cheaper to operate for everyone who comes after me [30-Jul-24 03:13 PM] hernanduer#0000 by using the money I've saved [30-Jul-24 03:14 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I actually didnโ€™t. I was kind a looking at things, but not really doing the math. Then you posted in Nike local and I looked at the totals and was like โ€œhuhโ€, and then went and did the math. Thatโ€™s when I was upset and asked for votes [30-Jul-24 03:14 PM] hernanduer#0000 I still haven't seen your math though... [30-Jul-24 03:14 PM] hernanduer#0000 that's another part, it's promises but where is the math? [30-Jul-24 03:14 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I saw an issue, and I could argue it for 2 days while the election ended, or get the votes and force changes I think need to happen [30-Jul-24 03:14 PM] hernanduer#0000 you also need 2 seats by the by, not just governor [30-Jul-24 03:15 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I trust in Parisโ€™ character that if I have good intentions, he would not oppose me making upgrades to the planet. [30-Jul-24 03:15 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Maybe Iโ€™m wrong. Maybe you 2 could block me [30-Jul-24 03:15 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I hope you donโ€™t, but maybe you can. [30-Jul-24 03:15 PM] hernanduer#0000 the upgrades don't make fiscal sense, show the math [30-Jul-24 03:16 PM] hernanduer#0000 what's the ROI? [30-Jul-24 03:16 PM] hernanduer#0000 years? [30-Jul-24 03:16 PM] riseoffilth#0000 If we can delay this explicit point an hour or 2, Iโ€™d be happy to. Iโ€™m at work still and canโ€™t quite link spreadsheets so easily [30-Jul-24 03:16 PM] realharvey#0000 I also had my prejudices about Hernanduer before. But when I spoke to him today about my concerns in a neutral, non-accusatory way, I was very surprised at how objectively you can deal with them. Unfortunately, you both provoke each other very quickly. But at the end of the day, you're both actually pursuing the same goal. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [30-Jul-24 03:17 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Most people arenโ€™t bad people. They just have different ideas [30-Jul-24 03:18 PM] jcheung#0000 I know it's easy to say and hard to do, but past needs to be set aside and numbers just compared-perhaps a few hours from now [30-Jul-24 03:18 PM] realharvey#0000 What I have also noticed is that hernanduer is very passionate when it comes to running this planet and when he feels attacked he directly shoots back [30-Jul-24 03:18 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 Yea I don't know if this is solved by a 'both sides' xd [30-Jul-24 03:18 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 Seems like the laziest option [30-Jul-24 03:18 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Eh, Iโ€™ve been doing it for months on other planets [30-Jul-24 03:18 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Itโ€™s not that hard [30-Jul-24 03:19 PM] riseoffilth#0000 But then again, I have a very compartmentalized mindset [30-Jul-24 03:19 PM] hernanduer#0000 It's the one I really care about, and for Rise it's just another number [30-Jul-24 03:19 PM] hernanduer#0000 it really saddens me but that's all people care about [30-Jul-24 03:19 PM] realharvey#0000 once you set up a spreadsheet most operations are very easy [30-Jul-24 03:20 PM] riseoffilth#0000 As Iโ€™ve stated before, Iโ€™m only in this to improve and upgrade the planet. I have no interest in goving beyond making these upgrades happen, and once itโ€™s done and settled, I donโ€™t plan to run on Nike for gov again. [30-Jul-24 03:20 PM] hernanduer#0000 if that were true you should talk [30-Jul-24 03:20 PM] riseoffilth#0000 What are we doing now [30-Jul-24 03:20 PM] hernanduer#0000 or we can try again with the next election [30-Jul-24 03:21 PM] hernanduer#0000 what should've happened in gov chat [30-Jul-24 03:22 PM] hernanduer#0000 ๐Ÿ™‚ [30-Jul-24 03:23 PM] realharvey#0000 How about this: We wait until Rise is home and then he can share his calculation and why he thinks it's right for us to upgrade POPI infrastructure. We implement this on the planet and you can continue to run the planet and are still open to constructive criticism @hern? [30-Jul-24 03:24 PM] realharvey#0000 Maybe some people are even donating or selling cheaper Fabs for better infrastructure. Sounds like an all win situation for me [30-Jul-24 03:26 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Iโ€™ve stated my reasons for being skeptical of that working. It is the fact that I spoke to people, who agreed with my concerns and voted for me, that we are able to have this conversation and not be ignored, which is something that has consistently happened in the past. [30-Jul-24 03:27 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ve got cheap stuff fabs. Iโ€™ve sold to all yโ€™all at low prices before. @riseoffilth , I get your motivation in terms of POPI upgrades. It just feels a little in bad faith to not at least mention it in gov or planet chat first [30-Jul-24 03:27 PM] realharvey#0000 I actually don't agree this time. Even before Hern noticed that you've been in the lead in terms of votes hern has been well responding to other opionions and was open for discussion [30-Jul-24 03:28 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Before he asked for votes, we were neck and neck naturally for 4 days straight. So I did too, and shared my reasons for doing so. People agreed, that thatโ€™s why this conversation is happening and being taken seriously [30-Jul-24 03:28 PM] realharvey#0000 And I am just talking about "today". I know how discussed between you went before [30-Jul-24 03:29 PM] realharvey#0000 I think you have a lot of prejudices about each other [30-Jul-24 03:31 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Historical prescient has influenced me, previous chats in Nike local of missed and unfulfilled COGCs, of negative engineer growth when there are already open jobs. And what happens when these problems have been called out before? Criticism and insults at those who raise concerns, not an acknowledgment of error and mistakes. [30-Jul-24 03:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yes I understand that, but youโ€™ve also put out your fair share of criticism and insults man. I just feel like this was a missed opportunity to work together, thatโ€™s all. Iโ€™m not trying to come after either of you [30-Jul-24 03:32 PM] hernanduer#0000 I'd agree, but I tried to make it clear it's supposed to be a fresh start [30-Jul-24 03:32 PM] riseoffilth#0000 It is [30-Jul-24 03:32 PM] hernanduer#0000 and we had a decent conversation in government chat [30-Jul-24 03:32 PM] hernanduer#0000 NOT about this, obviously [30-Jul-24 03:32 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Hence my straight forward candor. [30-Jul-24 03:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 I wonโ€™t get any more involved than that. I like working with both of you. Just feel that this could have gone differently, thatโ€™s all [30-Jul-24 03:34 PM] hernanduer#0000 and that's why to me it's more a betrayal [30-Jul-24 03:35 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Are you calling me a friend? Because betrayal only hurts so much because only friends do it to you ๐Ÿ˜ [30-Jul-24 03:36 PM] hernanduer#0000 well I like to be friendly to people [30-Jul-24 03:36 PM] hernanduer#0000 most of my good friends in life I was angry with first because we were similar [30-Jul-24 03:36 PM] hernanduer#0000 then we came around ๐Ÿ˜„ [30-Jul-24 03:36 PM] hernanduer#0000 I was hoping we were on a similar path here, but yeah [30-Jul-24 03:37 PM] realharvey#0000 So far, Rise has not had the impression that if he makes a suggestion, you would agree to it or work on it together. (With your past I think you can understand that) So I wouldn't say it's betrayal. But the way it looks here now, you two can have an objective discussion. [30-Jul-24 03:38 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Youโ€™re match making and diplomatic tone is making me gag. [30-Jul-24 03:38 PM] hernanduer#0000 I like him [30-Jul-24 03:38 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Youโ€™re like the narrator of a lifetime movie [30-Jul-24 03:38 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I love that guy [30-Jul-24 03:38 PM] riseoffilth#0000 He posts the best corgi gifs [30-Jul-24 03:38 PM] riseoffilth#0000 But itโ€™s sappy as hell [30-Jul-24 03:38 PM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/txtgiris-gif-22859775 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/txtgiris-gif-22859775 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/vDojIHNpZw0FkqMit_sbZoAepI-6Fp9x7ZyBkZ0RBf0/https/media.tenor.com/PYy8emdwOUcAAAAe/txtgiris.png {Reactions} โค๏ธ (2) [30-Jul-24 03:38 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/mushy-han-solo-star-wars-gif-10696669 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/mushy-han-solo-star-wars-gif-10696669 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/eJvPlkkMFtrpxZVWebft_CAm61XDMGbh9DEaBFt2mGs/https/media.tenor.com/ogNtopWtajEAAAAe/mushy-han-solo.png [30-Jul-24 03:38 PM] realharvey#0000 you cant argue with that booty [30-Jul-24 03:42 PM] realharvey#0000 There are only two possibilities: Either you both wage โ€œwarโ€ and see who can gain the most influence in Nike, or you work together to see what's best. I know Rise's calculations, so I believe him when he says that POPI infrastructure upgrades are cheaper at the end of the day. But I also like Hern's ideas and I think that with less planets to run, he can look into it more. [30-Jul-24 03:43 PM] hernanduer#0000 My concern about the calculations is: are they "Rise" numbers, or are they real numbers? Because I want it to make sense for others to contribute [30-Jul-24 03:43 PM] hernanduer#0000 and if they can just take it to the CX, well... [30-Jul-24 03:44 PM] hernanduer#0000 but we can talk about that after, if I'm no longer governor then that's a permanent decision. I'll take my cares somewhere else, we're making fun things in far reaches with gateways coming soon [30-Jul-24 03:44 PM] realharvey#0000 you can still mainly run the planet [30-Jul-24 03:45 PM] realharvey#0000 and rise said after POPI-Upgrades are done he'll stay away from elections on nike [30-Jul-24 03:45 PM] hernanduer#0000 eh, sure, but clearly people would rather he run it than me, based on the votes [30-Jul-24 03:45 PM] realharvey#0000 But thats just because Rise has way more influence [30-Jul-24 03:46 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Disagree [30-Jul-24 03:46 PM] hernanduer#0000 yep [30-Jul-24 03:46 PM] hernanduer#0000 that's why it's his choice on what to do [30-Jul-24 03:46 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I didnโ€™t message most people and say, do you know me? Vote for me because you know me [30-Jul-24 03:46 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I didnโ€™t say โ€œsee my OOG ticker? See my Corp affiliation? Vote for meโ€ [30-Jul-24 03:46 PM] riseoffilth#0000 (One last poke) {Reactions} ๐Ÿฅฒ [30-Jul-24 03:47 PM] realharvey#0000 But If you tell people that a planet is run badly. People take your word for it. Because I do [30-Jul-24 03:47 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I said โ€œlook at the POPI inputs. Those are not the cheapest inputs. I will upgrade the infrastructure and leave in 2 months. If you agree with that, vote for meโ€โ€ [30-Jul-24 03:47 PM] hernanduer#0000 sure, but I've shown you what my actual plan is [30-Jul-24 03:47 PM] hernanduer#0000 I imagine we're pretty closely aligned there [30-Jul-24 03:47 PM] riseoffilth#0000 โ€œI will show you the math of interestedโ€ I think I threw in there too [30-Jul-24 03:47 PM] realharvey#0000 and this message did not paint the full picture as hern is saying [30-Jul-24 03:48 PM] hernanduer#0000 (just from lack of options) [30-Jul-24 03:48 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Well, there is only so much space and text someone will read in a DM asking for a vote ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [30-Jul-24 03:48 PM] realharvey#0000 the POPI Upkeep Hern is feeding currently is not what he is planning on feeding in the long run [30-Jul-24 03:49 PM] riseoffilth#0000 โ€œLook at me do dumb thing now. I wonโ€™t do dumb thing in future, promise!โ€ [30-Jul-24 03:49 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Sorry [30-Jul-24 03:49 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Inefficient, not dumb. Or both ๐Ÿ˜‚ [30-Jul-24 03:49 PM] igfloz#0000 ok ok.... I have read most of this and I am (happily) surprised that there has been discussion here (with some err, moderation ?) - but both of you sometimes react badly and give (in my opinion) a petulant reaction. You both seem to be still arguing the same points and looking to dig a little more just for effect. Let Rise get home, produce figures, make a substantial case, etc. etc. - discussion can continue obviously, but just calm down ๐Ÿ™‚ [30-Jul-24 03:49 PM] realharvey#0000 Let's be honest. With your influence you can frame most things the way you want [30-Jul-24 03:49 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Iโ€™m so not calm grrrr [30-Jul-24 03:50 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I do have a very sauve voice [30-Jul-24 03:50 PM] riseoffilth#0000 โ€œHey PrUn playerโ€ฆ i like your neckbeardโ€ฆ vote for me, Iโ€™m space Jesusโ€ [30-Jul-24 03:50 PM] riseoffilth#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‚ [30-Jul-24 03:51 PM] realharvey#0000 could work [30-Jul-24 03:51 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/corgi-playfight-angry-dog-doggo-gif-18451844 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/corgi-playfight-angry-dog-doggo-gif-18451844 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/6Uqt8BF0JRhRCD-W5Wy65YYtNMlOEk-1gez7UPzZjvo/https/media.tenor.com/VAPJbGrOWgAAAAAe/corgi-playfight.png [30-Jul-24 03:51 PM] hernanduer#0000 I think literally making them think of the election at all nigh guarantees you their vote [30-Jul-24 03:52 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1267947920271999008/image0.gif?ex=681487c5&is=68133645&hm=feea586f1316b16937ca6101ead329b29d88e654f80c8c3c39b77ceb27033be0& [30-Jul-24 03:52 PM] igfloz#0000 not for me - all I care for at the moment is workers, lol [30-Jul-24 03:55 PM] realharvey#0000 @hernanduer I think if you can live with not having the most votes for a month and agree to the POPI Infrastructure upgrades that rise proposes you can actually keep governing the planet the way you did it. (As long as you respond well to **objective **criticism.) (And I hope your numbers are correct rise ๐Ÿ‘€ ๐Ÿ˜‚ ) [30-Jul-24 03:57 PM] hernanduer#0000 No, I don't want to continue running [30-Jul-24 03:57 PM] hernanduer#0000 after this election (if I lose) [30-Jul-24 03:58 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I wouldnโ€™t be where I am if they werenโ€™t [30-Jul-24 03:58 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Though that feels very logical fallacy-y to me. [30-Jul-24 03:59 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Ok Churv. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘Ž (2) [30-Jul-24 03:59 PM] hernanduer#0000 That's rude [30-Jul-24 03:59 PM] realharvey#0000 dont tease him [30-Jul-24 03:59 PM] realharvey#0000 I can somewhat understand his position. If people dont want to vote for him and honor the effort he puts into it.. That does feel very bad. Especially if you are very passionate about it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [30-Jul-24 04:00 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I donโ€™t think oneโ€™s ego should rest on the laurels of your gov office [30-Jul-24 04:00 PM] hernanduer#0000 if I don't get appreciated for what is essentially a job, I'm leaving [30-Jul-24 04:00 PM] hernanduer#0000 it's not super fun for me [30-Jul-24 04:00 PM] hernanduer#0000 and the part that is, clearly isn't inspiring to the others [30-Jul-24 04:00 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Donโ€™t ever get into politics if you want to always feel appreciated ๐Ÿ˜‚ [30-Jul-24 04:01 PM] realharvey#0000 But lets be real: Prun politics is not so much different than real politics. Whoever has the most influence and does the better campaigning wins the election. Does not matter how good a governor actually is [30-Jul-24 04:02 PM] riseoffilth#0000 RIP WU-070a [30-Jul-24 04:02 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/sad-dog-aspca-gif-11837030 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sad-dog-aspca-gif-11837030 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/YVzHuPZC5zMzV2wLUApJCwlTkJRtc8KI5HjT2SCE6N0/https/media.tenor.com/NHUxSAWzu04AAAAe/sad-dog.png [30-Jul-24 04:02 PM] akyantor#0000 Shots fired [30-Jul-24 04:02 PM] riseoffilth#0000 @akyantor โค๏ธ [30-Jul-24 04:02 PM] akyantor#0000 https://tenor.com/bqnxR.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/defense-iron-mask-prepare-for-battle-ready-to-fight-armed-gif-18641025 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/RQDsbGod-Jx_m3zuNV4i6-O8x2zYrL5qQ506hR7vAhw/https/media.tenor.com/Cg6pWb-YyngAAAAe/defense-iron-mask.png [30-Jul-24 04:03 PM] akyantor#0000 ๐Ÿ˜› [30-Jul-24 04:04 PM] riseoffilth#0000 There is that Corp ticker Iโ€™ve been speaking so much about [30-Jul-24 04:05 PM] riseoffilth#0000 @akyantor said before and Iโ€™ll say again, love to have new people in office learning about the game. I like less the โ€œvote [xxx] no matter whatโ€ crowd, but in this case, I support the result, if not the method. [30-Jul-24 04:05 PM] akyantor#0000 It's fair to say that no-one has a perpetual right to govern a planet. Also fair to feel frustrated if you're pationate about the work you've done to look after a planet, and don't feel like folks respond/support that effort. [30-Jul-24 04:06 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Without a doubt. It is my sincere hope that once the products start hitting the market from the efforts Iโ€™ve pushed to make cheaper gov POPI products, it will be more accessible to everyday folks [30-Jul-24 04:06 PM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, and that's definitely a good thing. [30-Jul-24 04:06 PM] riseoffilth#0000 And therefore making governing more accessible [30-Jul-24 04:07 PM] akyantor#0000 More governing folks pinning upkeep costs to the market also will encourage more folks to get interested in upkeep good production. [30-Jul-24 04:07 PM] akyantor#0000 In a transparent way. [30-Jul-24 04:07 PM] akyantor#0000 Creating a more healthy eco system all round [30-Jul-24 04:07 PM] realharvey#0000 I would have not expected that we could have that very tame dicussion about Nike. I think its sad that hernaduer will give up if he does not win the election. But I can also understand it [30-Jul-24 04:07 PM] hernanduer#0000 That's part of my campaign promise! [30-Jul-24 04:07 PM] hernanduer#0000 again though, I don't have the tenacity to go and literally message every base on the planet [30-Jul-24 04:08 PM] hernanduer#0000 wish people actually used the chats [30-Jul-24 04:08 PM] realharvey#0000 I agree [30-Jul-24 04:08 PM] realharvey#0000 but campaigning in politics has never been easy [30-Jul-24 04:08 PM] realharvey#0000 I''d love if people that go voting actually read the party-programms [30-Jul-24 04:09 PM] realharvey#0000 because a lot of people actually vote against their own interests [30-Jul-24 04:09 PM] realharvey#0000 but thats just how things are [30-Jul-24 04:09 PM] akyantor#0000 tbh, it'd be good if more folks too an interest. There's still remarkably few people who engage at all. [30-Jul-24 04:09 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Like the many times people vote for the sitting(while afk) governors in elections past [30-Jul-24 04:12 PM] realharvey#0000 and to many people that dont vote at all [30-Jul-24 04:12 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Not much you can do against that [30-Jul-24 04:12 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Other than speak to people [30-Jul-24 04:13 PM] realharvey#0000 that can get very tedious very fast [30-Jul-24 04:13 PM] hernanduer#0000 ya I just don't care that much [30-Jul-24 04:13 PM] hernanduer#0000 like I care, but that's just wayyy too boring - this is a game [30-Jul-24 04:13 PM] realharvey#0000 It's okay. I can understand it [30-Jul-24 04:14 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/got-daenerys-targaryen-emilia-clarke-babies-sono-i-miei-bambini-gif-7380194 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/got-daenerys-targaryen-emilia-clarke-babies-sono-i-miei-bambini-gif-7380194 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/d9XAjJlKM7O-7_OYh1yebIhHeWBVFWR2B_7fo5zTnUM/https/media.tenor.com/yH-aNbkhTzcAAAAe/got-daenerys-targaryen.png [30-Jul-24 04:15 PM] hernanduer#0000 and sad we can't be friends ๐Ÿ˜ข [30-Jul-24 04:15 PM] realharvey#0000 no one is stopping you [30-Jul-24 04:15 PM] hernanduer#0000 I mean, he is I guess, lol [30-Jul-24 04:16 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-anakin-democracy-gif-26523585 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-anakin-democracy-gif-26523585 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Hf5uxVaXpzllOdAm0SR9AkaMtkTxaJUa8QyEzXOnuXI/https/media.tenor.com/3nytQsEQjpcAAAAe/star-wars.png [30-Jul-24 04:16 PM] igfloz#0000 ya know, given this shitshow, I doubt I'll vote again until I have an interest in it [30-Jul-24 04:16 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Passionate and vigorous debate is what is great about elections! [30-Jul-24 04:16 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Mostly [30-Jul-24 04:16 PM] realharvey#0000 what do you expect rise to do? Write all the people he got to vote for him to vote for you now, after telling them he thinks you run the planet inefficient? [30-Jul-24 04:16 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Getting stuff done is nice too [30-Jul-24 04:17 PM] hernanduer#0000 you can just drop and rejoin [30-Jul-24 04:17 PM] hernanduer#0000 but I'm not telling him to do that [30-Jul-24 04:17 PM] hernanduer#0000 he can do what he wants [30-Jul-24 04:17 PM] realharvey#0000 thats what is sadly not happening often enough [30-Jul-24 05:24 PM] riseoffilth#0000 and even if you did, I wouldnt. Governors arent kings, no one is entitled to it. I want elections based on merit and ideas, on plans and eventually actions. After the way (#1) OOG collects money and (#2) attacks dissent, my 3rd least favorite thing about OOG (in the past ๐Ÿ˜‰ ) is that protectionism of your members to your own candidates, even when it is clear they are unfit, inactive, or inattentive. It is my contention, forgoing everything before this past month, that you are unfit given your poor usage of expensive popi inputs and lack of urgency or stated planning to upgrade POPI BUI. For an example of this, you can just look at ENG numbers of the last 4-5 POPRs, ENG went from 15% to .5% (now going back up). While this isnt inherently bad and population does fluctuate, there is clearly inconsistent fulfillment levels. I cant speak as to what was in the POPI 4 weeks ago, but what I see now is dumb. I realize youve addressed this by saying you make it yourself and were getting rid of some items that you dont use anymore? idk. -To me, BID in the VRT just doesnt make sense. Why would you not sell that and use the money more efficiently? -Why put TUB and HD into UNI, and let one run out? We DONT EVEN USE SCI. like. WHY. education has minimal impact other pops and isnt cost efficient, certanly not with 2 inputs, let alone 1. -ACA. You put in Glass. Glass? Glass. DW is cheapest. Why glass? Don't say you make it yourself. you could by 2x as much DW by selling the glass. -PAR: PFE input costs 40% more than DW. SOI input costs 80% than DW. upgrading PAR seems the clear choice. Yes it is expensive, but it literally lasts forever, and PAR/comfort is REQUIRED for literally as long as the server runs. I get ROI is a like, a big thing to some people. But Id almost always rather invest a couple mil in upgrading a planet to make it permanently better and cheaper than weasel and say "*oh well its cheaper this way as long as the server is reset in 6 months*" [30-Jul-24 05:27 PM] riseoffilth#0000 and for the SST and INF, i dont think ive ever seen any person with more brain cells than fingers use 2 inputs on a INF. It is so cheap to use. It goes from being 800/day/level to 3300/day/level. TUB is 3x as expensive. and SST and INFs are the cheapest POPI build costs of any of them [30-Jul-24 05:28 PM] hernanduer#0000 again, rude [30-Jul-24 05:29 PM] riseoffilth#0000 and like, I just dont even think any change is needed at all on SST, just stop using the 3rd input. OFF price aside, its not a difficult production to stand up. And 145 is an insane price. there is no way anyone or someone around couldnt produce some for you much cheaper, below 100 [30-Jul-24 05:29 PM] riseoffilth#0000 literally, ill sell it to you for 80/u [30-Jul-24 05:30 PM] riseoffilth#0000 it sounds harsh, but its just my way of being emphatic [30-Jul-24 05:30 PM] hernanduer#0000 it's really not, you basically called me retarded [30-Jul-24 05:31 PM] riseoffilth#0000 i'll amend. "Current company excluded, who are possibly just naรฏve" [30-Jul-24 05:35 PM] riseoffilth#0000 To bring this to my original point. I would not drop out, because I despise the way OOG votes as a block, without looking at the merits of the candidate. And I have presented what I believe are legitimate grievances, and voter apathy aside, people voted for me in good faith. You are welcome to offer a rebuttal and swear up and down about your plans and motivations and goals and intents. You should earn your votes through actions and promises kept, not by the corp tag next to your name. I'm not going to do what you should be doing every day, which is earning the votes through those actions and promises kept. [30-Jul-24 05:36 PM] hernanduer#0000 You didn't earn your votes beyond making the effort to go bother people to vote, that's why it's saddening that that's all it takes [30-Jul-24 05:36 PM] riseoffilth#0000 There are days left to make your case ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [30-Jul-24 05:36 PM] hernanduer#0000 as far as these concerns, instead of bringing them to the parliament, you've elected to play the political game solo and make sure you win [30-Jul-24 05:36 PM] riseoffilth#0000 convince people [30-Jul-24 05:37 PM] riseoffilth#0000 some folks in this very chat and discord are voters [30-Jul-24 05:37 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Convince them ( and then keep those promises) [30-Jul-24 05:37 PM] hernanduer#0000 yeah, that's why I came here [30-Jul-24 05:38 PM] hernanduer#0000 I'll ignore your critique of the input choices, since I've made clear about a dozen times that those will be cleaned up once I start paying myself [30-Jul-24 05:38 PM] hernanduer#0000 For INF to be a single input, you will need to upgrade it to minimum level 8 - that's about 1.5-2mil in costs [30-Jul-24 05:39 PM] hernanduer#0000 for the PAR to upgrade to level 6, that drops you to DW and PFE only, you'll need another 1mil [30-Jul-24 05:39 PM] hernanduer#0000 all these changes, and you drop the per day cost by maybe 12k [30-Jul-24 05:39 PM] hernanduer#0000 that will take 8 months to recoup, so yeah, not forever [30-Jul-24 05:40 PM] hernanduer#0000 let's say we drop the HD from the UNI, now you actually need PAR 7 - that's another 750k [30-Jul-24 05:40 PM] hernanduer#0000 and only drops your cost by 3k [30-Jul-24 05:40 PM] hernanduer#0000 and this is all sitting with ENG right at 50% - which gets you basically the numbers you see now, 0-4% unemployment [30-Jul-24 05:42 PM] hernanduer#0000 the coffers won't even pay for all of these changes at once [30-Jul-24 05:42 PM] hernanduer#0000 and maintenance - so you're also saying to drain all the money I've donated [30-Jul-24 05:42 PM] hernanduer#0000 because that's what it is - the taxes haven't paid for it yet - it's donations from me [30-Jul-24 05:43 PM] hernanduer#0000 and then what? claim some moral victory here? some efficiency victory? I don't really understand. The money you want to use to do this didn't just appear out of nowhere [30-Jul-24 05:44 PM] hernanduer#0000 I donated to allow the planet/government to build a wallet which it can later use for improvements. If we use it here for these changes, excellent. But you act like my own ineptitude has gotten us into some sort of hole, when it's exactly my own choices that give you the ability to make the choices you want to make! [30-Jul-24 05:45 PM] hernanduer#0000 You're literally using my money, making these changes, and then calling me a retard for giving you the money to make those changes [30-Jul-24 05:45 PM] hernanduer#0000 like what [30-Jul-24 05:49 PM] riseoffilth#0000 lets say 8. thats 3 levels, from 5-8. What QTYs and prices are you using to create that number? [30-Jul-24 05:49 PM] riseoffilth#0000 cause im looking at 250-300k per level or so [30-Jul-24 05:50 PM] riseoffilth#0000 (ignoring the building materials already in it) [30-Jul-24 05:51 PM] riseoffilth#0000 cause I think I can reasonably say, I can procure BBH at 1800/u, bde 1700, bse 1500, bta 1000, tru 300, mcg 30 [30-Jul-24 05:51 PM] riseoffilth#0000 my math says level 5-6 is 266k [30-Jul-24 05:51 PM] hernanduer#0000 With market prices, 213 BBH/BDE, 142 BSE, 106 BTA, somewhere around 1.5mil [30-Jul-24 05:52 PM] hernanduer#0000 it's not fair to use internal prices, you said that a bunch of times [30-Jul-24 05:53 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Hern, wasnt one of the greatest arguments and responses to my criticisms against OOG and their method for collecting money for various planets that "The size of our corporation and internal economy allows us to run and produce things cheaply, to source material to build planets no one else could" [30-Jul-24 05:53 PM] riseoffilth#0000 and your telling me, that no one in your corp has BBH for anything less than CX [30-Jul-24 05:53 PM] hernanduer#0000 people come and go, no one's making excess bfabs [30-Jul-24 05:53 PM] hernanduer#0000 or if they are, I don't see why it's fair to charge them less to upgrade the planet [30-Jul-24 05:55 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I never said it wasnt fair, I said I never use market prices, because its heavily manipulated [30-Jul-24 05:56 PM] riseoffilth#0000 real cost of production is completely separate than MMs or whatever Bfabs are bouncing off of these days [30-Jul-24 05:56 PM] hernanduer#0000 I think as a public facing entity, you should always use the market [30-Jul-24 05:56 PM] hernanduer#0000 privately, do whatever, but governments should always use the CX prices [30-Jul-24 05:56 PM] riseoffilth#0000 That would make planets subject to any type of market manipulation across any possible input [30-Jul-24 05:57 PM] hernanduer#0000 they're funded by the people, they should pay people price - if the government of a planet thinks it's wise to stockpile to avoid people doing very naughty things - then that's the government's perogative [30-Jul-24 05:57 PM] riseoffilth#0000 "huh, the only OFF for sale is 10k per unit. Well, Hern said, we have to buy, WEEEEEeee" and brrrrrr goes the planet wallet lol?? [30-Jul-24 05:57 PM] hernanduer#0000 but you see, no one is ever going to help pay for the government if you do everything with special prices [30-Jul-24 05:57 PM] hernanduer#0000 why would I contribute OFF when I can sell it on the CX for more? [30-Jul-24 05:58 PM] hernanduer#0000 it makes no sense - you have to use market prices updated regularly [30-Jul-24 05:58 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Why would I ever give a friend a discount on any product? [30-Jul-24 05:58 PM] hernanduer#0000 why does a planet have a friend? [30-Jul-24 05:58 PM] hernanduer#0000 you're representing a planet, not yourself [30-Jul-24 05:58 PM] riseoffilth#0000 because its treated us all so well [30-Jul-24 05:58 PM] riseoffilth#0000 planets are all my friends {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [30-Jul-24 05:58 PM] riseoffilth#0000 *they speak to me* [30-Jul-24 05:58 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/futurama-toad-frog-mesmerized-gif-3938170 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/futurama-toad-frog-mesmerized-gif-3938170 Hypnotoad https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/sEKbnIvCx4BKSIOFqXW0dFUgG8Fe5lG61uJT2FY7zeU/https/media.tenor.com/Hoo34ly0rZwAAAAe/futurama-toad.png [30-Jul-24 05:59 PM] hernanduer#0000 https://tenor.com/view/jerry-jaboom-boom-rick-and-morty-gif-20209585 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/jerry-jaboom-boom-rick-and-morty-gif-20209585 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/_ZFUBCR6nrYD8NfnqgwUZQTnOKBO-JPxenhG4PT6VJY/https/media.tenor.com/Iyd6D8cb6h0AAAAe/jerry-jaboom-boom.png [30-Jul-24 05:59 PM] hernanduer#0000 my point stands on the initial betrayal of the mechanics - we should've had this whole conversation in government chat [30-Jul-24 06:00 PM] hernanduer#0000 not out here - you didn't even try, despite your reservations (which I... somewhat understand) [30-Jul-24 06:00 PM] hernanduer#0000 very much makes you out to play by yourself basically [30-Jul-24 06:00 PM] hernanduer#0000 my way or the highway [30-Jul-24 06:01 PM] riseoffilth#0000 My point stands that OOG has historical precedent for having a "join OOG or we vote you out" mentality and reacts to any and all criticism or complaints with excuses and hostile attitudes. [30-Jul-24 06:01 PM] hernanduer#0000 man like I said, people come and go, and idk who was here before I even started playing, but it sounds like they were the one to give you that initial impression [30-Jul-24 06:03 PM] hernanduer#0000 that was like, 1.5 years ago [30-Jul-24 06:05 PM] hernanduer#0000 are we cliquey though? Well yeah, that's the point of a guild, you stick together [30-Jul-24 06:05 PM] hernanduer#0000 we don't make anyone do anything though, in or out of corp [30-Jul-24 06:05 PM] hernanduer#0000 especially joining, haha, that's not conducive at all [30-Jul-24 06:05 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Ah yes, when your friend says he is "safe to drive, im totally fine, ride with me, im sober" [30-Jul-24 06:06 PM] riseoffilth#0000 "hey im totallly active and running this planet, i just forgot cogc and popi inputs for 2-3 weeks" [30-Jul-24 06:06 PM] riseoffilth#0000 group think isnt dangerous at all [30-Jul-24 06:06 PM] hernanduer#0000 it happens, and then they stop playing [30-Jul-24 06:06 PM] riseoffilth#0000 surely [30-Jul-24 06:06 PM] hernanduer#0000 I mean, it's bound to happen to you at some point too [30-Jul-24 06:06 PM] hernanduer#0000 everyone stops playing at some point [30-Jul-24 06:06 PM] hernanduer#0000 that's our (OOG) greatest fear, given the number of planets you're supplying [30-Jul-24 06:06 PM] hernanduer#0000 it'd literally crash Antares [30-Jul-24 06:07 PM] riseoffilth#0000 yo [30-Jul-24 06:07 PM] riseoffilth#0000 someone should start like, a project or something [30-Jul-24 06:07 PM] riseoffilth#0000 a collaborative [30-Jul-24 06:07 PM] riseoffilth#0000 to make gov popi inputs [30-Jul-24 06:07 PM] riseoffilth#0000 and like, fund it with tons of money and loans and grants [30-Jul-24 06:07 PM] riseoffilth#0000 and not just "rely on market" [30-Jul-24 06:07 PM] riseoffilth#0000 SOMEONE [30-Jul-24 06:07 PM] riseoffilth#0000 SOMEONE DO THIS [30-Jul-24 06:07 PM] riseoffilth#0000 WHO [30-Jul-24 06:07 PM] hernanduer#0000 I think everyone here knows how much influence that's given you [30-Jul-24 06:08 PM] hernanduer#0000 and despite your protests, AA is basically centered on you [30-Jul-24 06:08 PM] riseoffilth#0000 dont tell Bob that [30-Jul-24 06:08 PM] hernanduer#0000 Bob is quiet, only Deimos people even know him [30-Jul-24 06:09 PM] hernanduer#0000 that's kind of our concern, without you there leading it, who knows what'll happen. Maybe good, maybe bad. But risk analysis says 1 guy running 30 planets and twice as many _other people's_ bases, is concerning to us [30-Jul-24 06:10 PM] hernanduer#0000 again though, distracting from initial conversation. This is just our current thoughts on the "Rise running all of ANT space" line of thinking [30-Jul-24 06:10 PM] riseoffilth#0000 If I'm done being sarcastic and otherwise flippant, I am very aware of the vulnerability of centering power on myself. The great strength in a strong center figure is also a weakness. Hence why I am giving out money and bases as quickly as I can for supporting the industries necessary for governing cheaply and effectively. [30-Jul-24 06:11 PM] riseoffilth#0000 and why I am always seeking new people to involve in parliament and goving to hand off responsibility to [30-Jul-24 06:11 PM] riseoffilth#0000 and why on Nike, gaining the Gov seat will give me the power to effect and enact what I feel is the necessary change. After this 1-2 months, I will not seek the governorship [30-Jul-24 06:12 PM] hernanduer#0000 well let's hope it doesn't crash and burn [30-Jul-24 06:12 PM] riseoffilth#0000 similarly, I plan on stepping back from at least half of planets I currently gov by Nov or so. Maybe new year [30-Jul-24 06:12 PM] hernanduer#0000 that's basically what I'm saying about Phobos too since it's only been a month [30-Jul-24 06:14 PM] hernanduer#0000 your main hiccup here is you're not getting people to use the CX [30-Jul-24 06:14 PM] hernanduer#0000 so you'll have to coordinate these handoffs of contracts between other players [30-Jul-24 06:14 PM] hernanduer#0000 for supplying things - and also they'll have to be responsible for sourcing more of those items [30-Jul-24 06:14 PM] hernanduer#0000 if that person quits or whatever [30-Jul-24 06:15 PM] hernanduer#0000 it's just not a lot of resiliency [30-Jul-24 06:15 PM] riseoffilth#0000 If only there was a hub of communication that we could all be in, and share and list resources outside of the market, which is infinitely vulnerable to manipulation [30-Jul-24 06:15 PM] hernanduer#0000 clearly you weren't done [30-Jul-24 06:15 PM] riseoffilth#0000 and by the strength of friendship and this place of *discord*, we could ensure a healthy system to prevent abuse and manipulation [30-Jul-24 06:16 PM] riseoffilth#0000 you got me back in the mood ๐Ÿ† {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฎ [30-Jul-24 06:16 PM] riseoffilth#0000 hater [30-Jul-24 06:16 PM] hernanduer#0000 well Nike will be just one more thing you have to source [30-Jul-24 06:17 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I feel confident in the system we are building [30-Jul-24 06:23 PM] riseoffilth#0000 At the risk of speaking of grand economic theories, I think the CX is an incredibly poor metric and standard to hold any pricing to. An organized and coordinated internal market among a capable and diverse group of individuals, able to respond to supply changes and pricing manipulations, is the best possible way to ensure integrity and to prevent abuse. This is not to say we shouldnt participate in the market, but that we should keep lines of communication open and trading amongst ourselves flowing for important projects. In a perfect world, we would be able to produce enough supply to force the market to a certain price point and standardize things, but I fear that given this is a game lacking certain legal regulations, it would always be vulnerable to bad actors. [30-Jul-24 06:23 PM] riseoffilth#0000 So, I will continue to work towards that and use a reasonable internal pricing. [30-Jul-24 06:24 PM] riseoffilth#0000 So, on that, I can upgrade the INF to 8 for 900k, ezpz [30-Jul-24 06:24 PM] riseoffilth#0000 next question [30-Jul-24 06:28 PM] riseoffilth#0000 and you can too, for a higher price, but I think Nike can afford it. You could raise the taxes in line with other planets, (say a 10-20% depending on pop), but even if you didnt, youve run the planet for 2 years or something? When we start getting into the years territory, upgrading things to save on higher inputs and the ROI you get from it stops being as daunting. [30-Jul-24 06:28 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Personally, I think its likely the game/server will still be running in a year or 2 [30-Jul-24 06:29 PM] riseoffilth#0000 unless there is some outrageous ROI, I'm all in on pushing the planet to upgrade so that it is cheaper and easily to maintain in the long haul. [30-Jul-24 06:30 PM] riseoffilth#0000 By my estimations, by having some targeted upgrades, you can drop the 3.3mil+ **we** are spending in my internal price value, to 1.8mil internal price value [30-Jul-24 06:31 PM] hernanduer#0000 you've spent most of the conversation talking about inefficiencies on prices, but then go to use solely your internal market which I don't have access to [30-Jul-24 06:31 PM] hernanduer#0000 see how that's not fair? [30-Jul-24 06:31 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Well, SILLY, here ya go [30-Jul-24 06:31 PM] hernanduer#0000 well I still mean that it's not something others have access to either [30-Jul-24 06:31 PM] hernanduer#0000 it's exclusionary - quite literally what you're complaining OOG is doing [30-Jul-24 06:31 PM] hernanduer#0000 (or was doing) [30-Jul-24 06:32 PM] hernanduer#0000 it's a separate market outside the game and, despite gripes about the CX, the CX will never get used if you don't try to [30-Jul-24 06:33 PM] riseoffilth#0000 OFF 80 SUN 350 UTS 3650 RAT 120 DW 70 PE 10 MCG 30 TUB 175 MHP 3000 HOG 4000 UTS 3000 REA 300 COF 500 BID 25000 HD 2500 IDC 16200 VIT 600 OLF 1500 GL 220 CD 6000 DIS 4500 POW 6000 CCD 55000 RAD 8000 SUD 75000 [30-Jul-24 06:33 PM] riseoffilth#0000 hm [30-Jul-24 06:33 PM] riseoffilth#0000 this format could be bettter [30-Jul-24 06:33 PM] hernanduer#0000 still better than teams [30-Jul-24 06:33 PM] hernanduer#0000 god I hate teams {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (3) [30-Jul-24 06:33 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/youre-damn-right-thats-correct-yup-thats-the-truth-thats-right-gif-16762144 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/youre-damn-right-thats-correct-yup-thats-the-truth-thats-right-gif-16762144 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/2ngibebIlfHgmrv_q4P55Zfhlv9P5hdkg6zsp_go7NI/https/media.tenor.com/ga6heG8ZZJ0AAAAe/youre-damn-right-thats-correct.png [30-Jul-24 06:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 The one thing we can _all_ agree on ๐Ÿ˜„ [30-Jul-24 06:34 PM] hernanduer#0000 so my greatest concern now, with you taking over, is that Nike will forever be stuck with your market, since its taxes will be set to your internal prices [30-Jul-24 06:34 PM] hernanduer#0000 not external CX prices [30-Jul-24 06:34 PM] hernanduer#0000 same with all the planets [30-Jul-24 06:34 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I have no problem with scaling taxes to an appropriate middleground [30-Jul-24 06:34 PM] riseoffilth#0000 or putting you in touch with certain producers to provide goods at fixed costs [30-Jul-24 06:34 PM] riseoffilth#0000 even after I leave [30-Jul-24 06:35 PM] marat_sh#0000 Sorry for interrupting you guys, but can we take a moment and say how stupid the CX mechanic is... Why not having CX for each planet {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [30-Jul-24 06:35 PM] hernanduer#0000 that's basically LMs [30-Jul-24 06:35 PM] marat_sh#0000 LM as mechanic even worse [30-Jul-24 06:35 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I WANT CITADELS AND JITA MARKETS [30-Jul-24 06:35 PM] hernanduer#0000 you still get EVE [30-Jul-24 06:35 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I WANT JUMP FREIGHTERS [30-Jul-24 06:35 PM] hernanduer#0000 yeah, just Jita 4-4 or whatever {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™ ๐Ÿคฒ ๐Ÿชฝ [30-Jul-24 06:36 PM] hernanduer#0000 it all still consolidates [30-Jul-24 06:36 PM] hernanduer#0000 so it doesn't really matter [30-Jul-24 06:39 PM] riseoffilth#0000 @hernanduer BUT YO, this is like, a perfect opportunity to harmonize and come together. What if we standardized internal pricing on some key goods. Maybe push a newbie or two to dedicated some production. Sell to market at whatever, drive prices down, but hold some in reserve for governing support. OFF, DW(maybe? price is pretty good atm), UTS, HD, PFE? [30-Jul-24 06:39 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Fab prices [30-Jul-24 06:39 PM] riseoffilth#0000 i know yall have an internal market, though from my understanding, its like some bidding chaos or something insane [30-Jul-24 06:40 PM] riseoffilth#0000 we can offer that to anyone in Antares who is a governor [30-Jul-24 06:40 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Internal price, profitable, absolutely profitable, but not reliant or standardized from the CX [30-Jul-24 06:40 PM] hernanduer#0000 You're still taking over my governance on the planet without any pre discussion, so any sort of harmony like that would have to wait or be with someone else [30-Jul-24 06:41 PM] riseoffilth#0000 you can have it back in a month or two once its back from the cleaners and has new chrome wheels [30-Jul-24 06:42 PM] hernanduer#0000 I don't want your sloppy seconds [30-Jul-24 06:42 PM] riseoffilth#0000 sloppy 3rds? [30-Jul-24 06:42 PM] hernanduer#0000 I guess I was first, so yeah, 3rds [30-Jul-24 06:42 PM] riseoffilth#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [30-Jul-24 06:42 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/motorboat-vince-vaughn-vince-vaughn-gif-5730631 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/motorboat-vince-vaughn-vince-vaughn-gif-5730631 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/vTFxWQpwCUtIXmlRb02siPFoJYOpRIkyK49p4MEKr5o/https/media.tenor.com/Oygvy8prcLUAAAAe/motorboat-vince.png [30-Jul-24 06:42 PM] riseoffilth#0000 just get in there [30-Jul-24 06:49 PM] tanda#0000 That was quite the read [30-Jul-24 07:05 PM] riseoffilth#0000 its taco tuesday, we like to keep things light [30-Jul-24 07:05 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/its-taco-tuesday-bron-taco-tuesday-taco-tuesdays-lebrons-family-the-james-gif-14368106 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/its-taco-tuesday-bron-taco-tuesday-taco-tuesdays-lebrons-family-the-james-gif-14368106 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/9iaOqFhdsdf5uKtSoFtggM983c1jrs2tlGWfSrJ06L8/https/media.tenor.com/R7NctIEannEAAAAe/its-taco-tuesday-bron-taco-tuesday.png [30-Jul-24 11:23 PM] revoric#0000 i have a pro account as of now โค๏ธ {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (2) [30-Jul-24 11:23 PM] jcheung#0000 Yech. LDE market starting to get saturated. Guess I'm not gonna make bank that way {Reactions} ๐Ÿฅด [30-Jul-24 11:24 PM] jcheung#0000 *eyes his cash reserves* [30-Jul-24 11:24 PM] jcheung#0000 Hmm [30-Jul-24 11:25 PM] revoric#0000 *eyes my 6k* how can i help? [30-Jul-24 11:25 PM] revoric#0000 :p [30-Jul-24 11:25 PM] jcheung#0000 Let me get back to you on that [30-Jul-24 11:25 PM] jcheung#0000 What do you currently do again? [30-Jul-24 11:28 PM] revoric#0000 i have one smelter and 2 extractor on demios. though im open to switching gears if i have a plan, I have a few lofty personal goals, but those take a good start before i can go that direction [30-Jul-24 11:28 PM] revoric#0000 i was working tward a mk2 plant and some settler housing , though now that im pro might need to reasess my options [30-Jul-24 11:30 PM] jcheung#0000 hum de dum... [30-Jul-24 11:30 PM] jcheung#0000 oh, say [30-Jul-24 11:30 PM] jcheung#0000 did you work out how to use prunplanner yet? [30-Jul-24 11:30 PM] jcheung#0000 that'll help you with reassessment [30-Jul-24 11:31 PM] revoric#0000 i did! unless i post for a grant ill just be waiting and taking shiping contracts with my starter buckets [30-Jul-24 11:31 PM] jcheung#0000 cool [30-Jul-24 11:32 PM] jcheung#0000 now [30-Jul-24 11:32 PM] jcheung#0000 shipping conts [30-Jul-24 11:32 PM] jcheung#0000 a lot of people don't pay very good [30-Jul-24 11:32 PM] jcheung#0000 you'll have to assess if it's worth it in fuel costs [30-Jul-24 11:32 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/minions-woo-hoo-yeah-celebrating-happy-gif-16135630 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/minions-woo-hoo-yeah-celebrating-happy-gif-16135630 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/2luNI2Elm5VPug5up8NvZ3UA-6_aD1M_s-Zrhj9XO_Y/https/media.tenor.com/rVH0yznv-fIAAAAe/minions-woo-hoo.png [30-Jul-24 11:32 PM] jcheung#0000 and don't forget the return trip [30-Jul-24 11:33 PM] riseoffilth#0000 so uh [30-Jul-24 11:33 PM] jcheung#0000 also [30-Jul-24 11:33 PM] riseoffilth#0000 want free money? [30-Jul-24 11:33 PM] jcheung#0000 weren't you gonna wait til thursday [30-Jul-24 11:33 PM] revoric#0000 i was, got money earlier then expected [30-Jul-24 11:34 PM] revoric#0000 uhh, always welcome some help sure lol [30-Jul-24 11:36 PM] jcheung#0000 rise can bankroll you a couple bases that generate roughly 40-60k/d if you're willing to give him some of your slots ๐Ÿ˜„ [30-Jul-24 11:36 PM] riseoffilth#0000 yeah gurl [30-Jul-24 11:36 PM] riseoffilth#0000 gimme slots [30-Jul-24 11:36 PM] riseoffilth#0000 :antares_initiative: [30-Jul-24 11:38 PM] revoric#0000 im folowing but not understanding lol, you need my base slots? [30-Jul-24 11:40 PM] revoric#0000 might have a license but im still pretty nooby [30-Jul-24 11:40 PM] riseoffilth#0000 1. I was just gonna give you cash cause i have too much [30-Jul-24 11:41 PM] riseoffilth#0000 2. We, the collective we, are always looking for new players to invest in and offer loans to build up their bases, and get new bases, to produce materials essential to our existing industries, or to supply the market to fix what we perceive is a shortage. [30-Jul-24 11:41 PM] riseoffilth#0000 its not a literal "give" of permit, more a "Hey, here is money. Go set up a base here and make this thing we like and sell it back to us" [30-Jul-24 11:42 PM] revoric#0000 noooow im understanding lol [30-Jul-24 11:44 PM] revoric#0000 i mean, that helps everyone, im down for aligning with the collective lol. I personally want to explore what this game has to offer. I'm greatly enjoying it again this time around [30-Jul-24 11:45 PM] riseoffilth#0000 do you have any particular interests? [30-Jul-24 11:46 PM] revoric#0000 one of my personal goals would be to make a branch of planets ( with multiple players) far from a cx producing enough to sustain itself. [30-Jul-24 11:47 PM] jcheung#0000 i think that might have to wait til later [30-Jul-24 11:47 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/star-citizen-aurora-get-this-man-a-ban-gif-25968972 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/star-citizen-aurora-get-this-man-a-ban-gif-25968972 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/BXiQmXqmXC-OjgKCn6WVZgT69A24Ps4sqs9sDta-Tac/https/media.tenor.com/wZIJPJMG6cQAAAAe/star-citizen-aurora-get-this-man-a-ban.png [30-Jul-24 11:47 PM] riseoffilth#0000 get him out! [30-Jul-24 11:47 PM] revoric#0000 XD [30-Jul-24 11:47 PM] riseoffilth#0000 hes drunk! hes mad! [30-Jul-24 11:47 PM] jcheung#0000 i actually kind of want to do that too, but after looking at it a bit, it's going to take a lot of work [30-Jul-24 11:47 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Sir, this is a discord of the Holy Antaran Republic [30-Jul-24 11:47 PM] riseoffilth#0000 We dont take kindly to that seperatist talk! [30-Jul-24 11:47 PM] revoric#0000 yes, expand our reach! [30-Jul-24 11:48 PM] riseoffilth#0000 oh colonizing huh? I could be into that... [30-Jul-24 11:48 PM] jcheung#0000 like i think it'll take a minimum of 3 or 4 people, working super close together [30-Jul-24 11:48 PM] riseoffilth#0000 We must expand the republic [30-Jul-24 11:48 PM] revoric#0000 yes! not seperation, expantion with self sucifiancy [30-Jul-24 11:48 PM] riseoffilth#0000 hoping you take spell check with you [30-Jul-24 11:48 PM] riseoffilth#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [30-Jul-24 11:48 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/gotem-gif-18695498 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/gotem-gif-18695498 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1Tpp1LFMq11hrW8eztbEqGfKO8Wz9l8-2BfxIQkUgWs/https/media.tenor.com/LKwVVY6-5VwAAAAe/gotem.png [30-Jul-24 11:48 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/qWWL.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/lifes-too-short-winnie-the-pooh-pants-gif-4000773 Life's too short for pants https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/hICttFfIALE-D7SC8UlZhgl8tuv6nxHubWib1uxiNP8/https/media.tenor.com/u64EofZd-mMAAAAe/lifes-too-short-winnie-the-pooh.png [30-Jul-24 11:49 PM] riseoffilth#0000 its funny because i misspell shit all the time [30-Jul-24 11:49 PM] riseoffilth#0000 no one notices because i ninja edit it [30-Jul-24 11:49 PM] jcheung#0000 i saw that [30-Jul-24 11:49 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-cmon-come-on-man-gif-8144162 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-cmon-come-on-man-gif-8144162 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/kvvpNmROyxymRgN-wXllOTVavLcP6sgU_42QIEo1-yo/https/media.tenor.com/wU7i1IuHRgwAAAAe/disappointed-cmon.png [30-Jul-24 11:50 PM] revoric#0000 spellcheck is always so slow for me [30-Jul-24 11:56 PM] riseoffilth#0000 what about now, any particular industry interest? More metal? Manufacturing? The tasty allure of chemistry? How about puttin your toes in some dirt and try farming? [31-Jul-24 12:04 AM] revoric#0000 currently i have only been thinking in terms of what my needs are, though probably a mistake to try to do everything on any scale less then dedicating a planet to one industry. [31-Jul-24 12:09 AM] jcheung#0000 dedicating one planet to one industry isn't a bad idea [31-Jul-24 12:09 AM] jcheung#0000 ...generally [31-Jul-24 12:10 AM] riseoffilth#0000 dedicating one planet to a single industry is universally the best strategy in all but the most niche circumstances [31-Jul-24 12:11 AM] jcheung#0000 colonization might be one of those niches ๐Ÿค” [31-Jul-24 12:18 AM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/0jaVSXb_KPBtHCqAKEx-kOuGUOBGW_b5rNk7_jOlKJs/https/media.tenor.com/LfPfY-g9XTwAAAAe/heresy-detected.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [31-Jul-24 01:21 AM] revoric#0000 in all space games colonization is the niche i always want to lean toward ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ this early on i need to contribute to the comunity around me and help indistry grow to maybe afford the option of trying that out [31-Jul-24 01:21 AM] jcheung#0000 need to finance it somehow [31-Jul-24 01:21 AM] jcheung#0000 even if you go all in on colonization later it would probably be wise to have a couple bases back in "civilization" [31-Jul-24 01:22 AM] riseoffilth#0000 If I might offer a suggestion, chemistry is what the cool kids do [31-Jul-24 01:22 AM] riseoffilth#0000 it makes everything [31-Jul-24 01:22 AM] riseoffilth#0000 and there is never enough [31-Jul-24 01:22 AM] riseoffilth#0000 and its one of the most wildly profitable industries, and pretty easily accessible [31-Jul-24 01:22 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Take a look at the building chemical plant. type in a window "BUI CHP" [31-Jul-24 01:22 AM] riseoffilth#0000 makes tons of things [31-Jul-24 01:22 AM] riseoffilth#0000 tons tons tons [31-Jul-24 01:25 AM] riseoffilth#0000 or alternatively, there is a huge shortage of some basic construction products like TRU. Weldment plants are simple, if a bit metal heavy, to operate [31-Jul-24 01:25 AM] revoric#0000 heard, ill check in a bit! [31-Jul-24 01:25 AM] riseoffilth#0000 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sohSE-PuLaVRRRnXafCgjYKeKuAht_CjgvfQueuu99o/edit?usp=sharing {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sohSE-PuLaVRRRnXafCgjYKeKuAht_CjgvfQueuu99o/edit?usp=sharing welding Nikey Base Planner https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/wi7KPNgFc-Me3G2w6sH2wUcmtU4drQvznKmWCSIq7Wo/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyILQI7ixhZx92_gWD-XpRARIMiWxcFu09aNP86FTA8mFD8CzzWhIx_J2h5QEx2LaLu_-6_oCLPPrBX8AwQbnIFZSLCRh7AT2BgXWA7QdRBDOEoLV7A%3Dw1200-h630-p [31-Jul-24 01:25 AM] riseoffilth#0000 "BUI WEL" [31-Jul-24 01:25 AM] riseoffilth#0000 check out the structure [31-Jul-24 01:35 AM] finestone#0000 Setting up Pop Infrastructure and governing an outback planet sounds like a fun goal! it will be expensive and will need constant pop upkeep. though for really small pop planets with just pioneers i think just DW can last them a while. It also depends on which pops that you (and others) are going to use on the planet. Are other people going to go live out there with you? more people = more upkeep. So you will need a good financial base and some capitol to initiate. [31-Jul-24 01:44 AM] finestone#0000 If you are simply wanting to setup the basic infrastructure for unsettled planets you wont have to go to far just try to find good planets. Then once people move in you could "hand off" the governship and upkeep to them and go "colonize" more planets but that will take time. The farther away the planet from a CX the less appealing due to transportation costs. You could also advertise giving people colonization "packs" that have a lot of the basic goods to entice them to move to your settled planets as an idea. All in all this will be a huge net drain on your wallet but could prove to be a fun time. Hope this summary helps. [31-Jul-24 01:46 AM] realharvey#0000 You'll also have to run a lot of supplies down there in the beginning. And you need a lot of ships for that. The further away the more ships you are going to need [31-Jul-24 02:38 AM] revoric#0000 Thanks! that all sounds like a fun goal to work toward [31-Jul-24 02:38 AM] revoric#0000 That makes sence, cant do much if your always waiting around [31-Jul-24 06:45 AM] akyantor#0000 A lighter topic after last nights lively debate... ๐Ÿ™‚ I'm thinking of using a supporter credit I have to name WU-070a. I've kicked around a few ideas, but the top one I've thought of so far is Hyalos (ancient greek for glass). Anyone have any better ideas or opinions? *All thoughts welcome.* [31-Jul-24 06:53 AM] realharvey#0000 When I read WU I always think about the WU Dynastie in China. A reference to that could also be interesting in my Opinion [31-Jul-24 06:55 AM] akyantor#0000 Interesting alternative angle [31-Jul-24 09:01 AM] Deleted User#0000 @riseoffilth @hernanduer You two make up and kiss yet? [31-Jul-24 09:12 AM] realharvey#0000 Long Story short: Discussion about Nike was way more friendly. Hern feels like rise winning the election was hostile and would have liked if he adressed his concerns with him before gaterhing votes for the overtake. Rise explained on why he did that and what he is planning to do with nike and that he wants to give up leadership after he fixed what he felt needs fixing Hern is sad about the lack of appreciation from the community and not getting votes even tho he run nike for a long time with almost no hickups and has no current plans to get back to nike when rise takes the lead no matter for how long {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [31-Jul-24 10:45 AM] riseoffilth#0000 My thought: I want falafel for lunch. [31-Jul-24 10:45 AM] akyantor#0000 Strong option. [31-Jul-24 10:45 AM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/burger-falafel-food-gif-10201494 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/burger-falafel-food-gif-10201494 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/GMHg4C_4wimcGKEp6t4CBSRnBEJLiF0ngYm4hQgIau4/https/media.tenor.com/faawvDomw3kAAAAe/burger-falafel.png [31-Jul-24 10:55 AM] hernanduer#0000 Nahhh, that won't be happening ever it seems [31-Jul-24 12:06 PM] skyrey#0000 (pinned) Finished setting up my Harmonia farm. Now it is time to start working on an incinerator base on Nascent {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1268253399858806834/Screenshot_2024-07-31_at_19.05.21.png?ex=6814fb85&is=6813aa05&hm=303f5184547ee556da7ab5f64b42fa0a4a2a1aaf2e727b6dde3ab1b8aaaa78e8& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ (4) [31-Jul-24 12:17 PM] jvaler#0000 Pinned a message. [31-Jul-24 01:21 PM] riseoffilth#0000 This man has clearly seen the light and is wise beyond his years [31-Jul-24 01:23 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Though to be clear, harmonia should make GRN or HER. Life and HYFs should make the HCP [31-Jul-24 01:23 PM] riseoffilth#0000 HCP is a more expensive recipe than GRN at farms [31-Jul-24 01:24 PM] riseoffilth#0000 But they burn in INCs the same [31-Jul-24 01:24 PM] riseoffilth#0000 (Unless you are running both?) [31-Jul-24 01:25 PM] skyrey#0000 I think that you are right. The case for me is that Harmonia is my first base and I am simply looking to fill the most profitable orders at Anteras CX {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† ๐Ÿ’ธ [31-Jul-24 01:25 PM] skyrey#0000 My plan is to pivot towards just grain and start working on a Carbon base, most likely on Nascent [31-Jul-24 01:25 PM] razenpok#0000 Funnily enough, HCP, GRN and HER are all very similar in profitability rn [31-Jul-24 01:25 PM] razenpok#0000 In FRM [31-Jul-24 01:26 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/john-krasinski-krasinski-john-wait-what-gif-1509324842126244389 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/john-krasinski-krasinski-john-wait-what-gif-1509324842126244389 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/cY-RS2oXNoz8NR7so_ghEeDV7dKCJaWNc1hh_1u6en4/https/media.tenor.com/FPIy8nmbeiUAAAAe/john-krasinski-krasinski.png [31-Jul-24 01:26 PM] razenpok#0000 Well, my tool says that, lemme check prunplanner [31-Jul-24 01:27 PM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1268273911028781156/image.png?ex=68150e9f&is=6813bd1f&hm=a5532fce49d86d095bbdf4e01f3ddf6e6fae8d865bc6b00ec38350e19a185f4d& [31-Jul-24 01:28 PM] razenpok#0000 PP7D_AI1 [31-Jul-24 01:28 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Well, you get more QTY of GRN for incinerators [31-Jul-24 01:29 PM] razenpok#0000 Then we are talking about INC profitablity, not FRM :kappa: [31-Jul-24 01:30 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Vertically integrated industries helps drive profitability [31-Jul-24 01:30 PM] razenpok#0000 Which is best with GRN, yes {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1268274568536002590/image.png?ex=68150f3c&is=6813bdbc&hm=3df589a034e9e6ce894d53988510cbb835bca8bdef1b596c61adda47a132d222& [31-Jul-24 01:30 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/deal-with-it-ryan-gosling-ken-barbie-movie-2023-sunglasses-gif-13224541413317047861 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/deal-with-it-ryan-gosling-ken-barbie-movie-2023-sunglasses-gif-13224541413317047861 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/yBhu50H0OpxLbYoinjfxQ_y8myGqwW2ODIY2p4D7-BI/https/media.tenor.com/t4cCWUo0djUAAAAe/deal-with-it-ryan-gosling.png [31-Jul-24 01:30 PM] razenpok#0000 If everything from FRM goes to CX, then doesn't matter [31-Jul-24 01:31 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/facts-big-facts-true-so-true-true-story-gif-10768238346551082063 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/facts-big-facts-true-so-true-true-story-gif-10768238346551082063 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/EZoqcoPMC72bs2hBgbSw9rg2H6FSx02JHx2zODqf57M/https/media.tenor.com/lXB3uT7qvE8AAAAe/facts-big-facts.png [31-Jul-24 01:31 PM] razenpok#0000 Akchully, you would need to compare different FRM and INC setups to find the optimal one [31-Jul-24 01:31 PM] razenpok#0000 Maybe double-burn is better [31-Jul-24 01:32 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/oh-you-aww-golden-girls-blanche-devereaux-shy-gif-23876713 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/oh-you-aww-golden-girls-blanche-devereaux-shy-gif-23876713 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/eQtwgx6IosvWZZXsR2TUMKS7o83YyKoCtQwAaqwO4a8/https/media.tenor.com/oGzmKGiFvZAAAAAe/oh-you-aww.png [31-Jul-24 01:32 PM] razenpok#0000 https://tenor.com/view/breakingbad-science-yeah-science-gif-5954775 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/breakingbad-science-yeah-science-gif-5954775 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/lHvS6SVuS3ledEqMSf46hREiXJkK4xQDQpHThKA9Cq8/https/media.tenor.com/CughyuQS8XIAAAAe/breakingbad-science.png [31-Jul-24 01:34 PM] razenpok#0000 Nevermind me, GRN => C is the best currently [31-Jul-24 01:41 PM] jcheung#0000 I think the main question if you have both a FRM world and INC world, is do you want to optimize for yield per time, or yield per input [31-Jul-24 01:47 PM] razenpok#0000 You want to optimize space bucks per everything ๐Ÿซฐ [31-Jul-24 01:48 PM] jcheung#0000 Well, sure. But if you physically can't get all the inputs there... [31-Jul-24 01:48 PM] razenpok#0000 If HCP is more profitable than GRN, you could just sell HCP and buy more GRN for INC {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [31-Jul-24 01:49 PM] jcheung#0000 I'd be too lazy to micro that [31-Jul-24 01:50 PM] skyrey#0000 By the way, are there any good hydrogen planets near Antares? [31-Jul-24 01:51 PM] razenpok#0000 All of them are gaseous, so that means AEF instead of MCG [31-Jul-24 01:58 PM] jvaler#0000 i think that's a false dichotomy tbh you just wanna optimize for consuming your entire agri output, which will always be best yield and best speed cause it's the most you can do with your agri. low agri output is single input GRN C, higher output is a mix of single input and double input, higher than that is full double input, etc. [31-Jul-24 01:59 PM] jvaler#0000 i guess the real question is "do i want more INC to run more single input orders or do i just want to use a higher input recipe" {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [31-Jul-24 02:00 PM] razenpok#0000 Wtf is going on with gas prices {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1268282139791724645/image.png?ex=68151649&is=6813c4c9&hm=5efd339d135a38356ec183bebcfb4b3143f1243dd7aedd1eb0cd8ecc17e924cd& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ“ˆ [31-Jul-24 02:03 PM] jcheung#0000 Christ [31-Jul-24 02:04 PM] razenpok#0000 Ah, H is up 20% [31-Jul-24 02:05 PM] razenpok#0000 So, oil is getting expensive huh [31-Jul-24 02:05 PM] jcheung#0000 Oh jeez [31-Jul-24 02:06 PM] jcheung#0000 I don't know if our attempts to lower market prices on stuff is actually making an impact lol [31-Jul-24 02:07 PM] razenpok#0000 I wonder if we will see the overall price increase due to the fuel price change [31-Jul-24 02:09 PM] sidepipe#0000 Thatโ€™ll be interesting. My guess is โ€œI doubt itโ€ since I donโ€™t think many people include transport in COGM, but I donโ€™t know for sure [31-Jul-24 02:15 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Look at AMM price on HRT... [31-Jul-24 02:17 PM] razenpok#0000 :zoomingeyes: [31-Jul-24 02:34 PM] skyrey#0000 Yeah, I am really considering a Hydrogen base. Right about now [31-Jul-24 02:36 PM] skyrey#0000 Although it does seem awfully expensive and questionably profitable [31-Jul-24 02:37 PM] .shiva.#0000 it doesn't show up in prunplanner, so it doesn't exist... right? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [31-Jul-24 02:39 PM] .shiva.#0000 that would actually be a nice feature for it. have an input that lets you put in an "estimated" amount of fuel for input/output flights [31-Jul-24 02:41 PM] jcheung#0000 There was a fuel price change? You mean like MM? [31-Jul-24 02:41 PM] jcheung#0000 I kind of do [31-Jul-24 02:41 PM] jcheung#0000 I need to do it more though [31-Jul-24 02:42 PM] revoric#0000 i wonder if it would be useful to make fuel depots. we all use fuel lol [31-Jul-24 02:43 PM] jcheung#0000 I just use the cx as a depot now [31-Jul-24 02:43 PM] jcheung#0000 And drop a couple hundred on each base for when i inevitably forget [31-Jul-24 02:43 PM] revoric#0000 as im sure 90% do [31-Jul-24 02:44 PM] marat_sh#0000 We need gate system that goes from every planet to CX... Not local markets or Fuel depots [31-Jul-24 02:44 PM] jcheung#0000 (Made use ofthose piles this week, thrice. See if i remember to refill them) [31-Jul-24 02:45 PM] revoric#0000 oh? will we ever get the ability to build such gates? [31-Jul-24 02:45 PM] jcheung#0000 Soonish [31-Jul-24 02:45 PM] marat_sh#0000 currently in development [31-Jul-24 02:45 PM] marat_sh#0000 first wave will be Planet Gov owned [31-Jul-24 02:45 PM] marat_sh#0000 later by players [31-Jul-24 02:45 PM] revoric#0000 npc with their cool tech [31-Jul-24 02:46 PM] jcheung#0000 My main question though, is.... will these gate distance limits operate through jumps, or through physical proximity of the stars [31-Jul-24 02:46 PM] jcheung#0000 Because if by physical proximity, there's a few trails that could cut a lot of jump distance off [31-Jul-24 02:47 PM] marat_sh#0000 we will see, I don't think it was explaned yet [31-Jul-24 02:48 PM] marat_sh#0000 I wonder if it would work like Gates from X universe [31-Jul-24 02:50 PM] .shiva.#0000 NPC is a little misleading, the inital ones are *Government* owned [31-Jul-24 02:51 PM] marat_sh#0000 Yeah probably should say, 'neutral' owned [31-Jul-24 02:52 PM] jcheung#0000 Eh. I could see rise as a npc [31-Jul-24 02:52 PM] revoric#0000 lol [31-Jul-24 02:53 PM] marat_sh#0000 I see what you mean now [31-Jul-24 02:53 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1268295497634807818/image.png?ex=681479fa&is=6813287a&hm=76cf763aee764b3dd28b1b5ad9440649dc260b1c8b0224b0b6c03f6942547be5& [31-Jul-24 02:54 PM] .shiva.#0000 yeah it's still players (aka the governors) doing all the setup / construction [31-Jul-24 02:55 PM] jcheung#0000 Wait, it's released? I thought it was only talks [31-Jul-24 02:55 PM] realharvey#0000 on the test server [31-Jul-24 02:55 PM] jcheung#0000 Oh [31-Jul-24 02:55 PM] jcheung#0000 Phew [31-Jul-24 02:55 PM] jcheung#0000 Thought i missed a whole lot [31-Jul-24 03:03 PM] razenpok#0000 I mean, the prices are climbing [31-Jul-24 03:04 PM] jcheung#0000 Oh. I mean it's climed overall in the last year from what i can tell [31-Jul-24 03:06 PM] revoric#0000 does that mean more people burning it and less people making it? [31-Jul-24 05:10 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 When I started I remember a lot of people dogging on fuel engineering as a start. I wonder if the pendulum swung the other way because of that {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [31-Jul-24 05:11 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Or maybe some big player(s) silently quit [31-Jul-24 05:12 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Also progress on the gateways seems a lot faster than what I am used to [31-Jul-24 05:13 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I wonder how they pull it off to make it fun. It'd be boring if every planet had a direct jump to the CX [31-Jul-24 05:13 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Unless it's made to be expensive enough to build/maintain [31-Jul-24 05:26 PM] jvaler#0000 i still see ppl saying bad things about fuel refining start lol [31-Jul-24 05:26 PM] revoric#0000 do we have any fuel engineers on here now? Harmony seems like a good H planet, QJ-382f has he3, though it is far for me and its seems we are starved a bit for easy he3 sources in faction territory [31-Jul-24 05:26 PM] revoric#0000 at first glance* [31-Jul-24 05:28 PM] jvaler#0000 harmonia for H? uhh [31-Jul-24 05:28 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't have a computer yet to look but that sounds bad [31-Jul-24 05:29 PM] evany.#0000 we have one but he doesn't post on cx i think he just does a bit for himself and occasionally adi internal [31-Jul-24 05:29 PM] jvaler#0000 but yeah you'll have to go outside of faction space for HE3 [31-Jul-24 05:29 PM] jvaler#0000 but that's not necessarily a bad thing [31-Jul-24 05:29 PM] evany.#0000 yes i tis [31-Jul-24 05:29 PM] evany.#0000 antares4life [31-Jul-24 05:29 PM] evany.#0000 wheres your pride jvaler [31-Jul-24 06:08 PM] jvaler#0000 my pride is that antares extends beyond our "official" borders {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (4) [31-Jul-24 06:08 PM] jvaler#0000 the KI systems are still antares [31-Jul-24 06:09 PM] jvaler#0000 the SE systems are still antares [31-Jul-24 08:09 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Fuel is also just not very expensive once you have one full base (well the price is the same but it's a small % of cost) [31-Jul-24 08:10 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿค” [31-Jul-24 08:10 PM] jcheung#0000 well [31-Jul-24 08:10 PM] jcheung#0000 i must have missed the memo ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-Jul-24 08:10 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 It was like 30k per week for my 5 bases I think [31-Jul-24 08:17 PM] tanda#0000 with my bases in general, I've been using around 75k in fuel a week [31-Jul-24 08:17 PM] tanda#0000 genuinely tiny [31-Jul-24 09:37 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/caption-american-psycho-american-psycho-patrick-gif-4052118642219440185 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/caption-american-psycho-american-psycho-patrick-gif-4052118642219440185 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/0IZvipf_nmopNv5ErVVNJ3axcL7Ifu-mCMDQhSIEevE/https/media.tenor.com/ODwEb6E6WDkAAAAe/caption-american.png [31-Jul-24 11:16 PM] evany.#0000 anyone have pmmg eat shit on them? {Reactions} Badcat [31-Jul-24 11:16 PM] evany.#0000 apparently it uninstalled itself and i lost all my configs... {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [01-Aug-24 04:55 AM] skyrey#0000 The influence must grow {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1268507376638754968/Screenshot_2024-08-01_at_11.54.48.png?ex=6814968e&is=6813450e&hm=79992232bc248e0d4d1b1978100bf64ea9466ed30a5967a9e17a3451fb0e3872& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [01-Aug-24 05:03 AM] realharvey#0000 Great! But I would prefer ANT for Antares instead of the currecy [01-Aug-24 05:09 AM] skyrey#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1268510961254273066/Screenshot_2024-08-01_at_12.09.34.png?ex=681499e4&is=68134864&hm=82438b6d942e0984d2abe9249ea09d597188ad82b470a6384e79398411a78f8d& {Reactions} โค๏ธ (2) [01-Aug-24 07:47 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1268550566494339133/image0.gif?ex=6814bec7&is=68136d47&hm=ab2632aefea11db1a1421ed076ef4da77729f20bd054650b775be3e925ab2a38& [01-Aug-24 08:16 AM] perac1#0000 How long (approxiamatly) does it take you to sell Al? [01-Aug-24 08:30 AM] jcheung#0000 depends on how much you want for it [01-Aug-24 08:30 AM] jcheung#0000 if you sell at bid price, instant. [01-Aug-24 08:31 AM] jcheung#0000 for the moment, asking for around 800 is pretty reasonable and can offload over a couple days [01-Aug-24 08:31 AM] jcheung#0000 but AL price looks like it's slowly starting to come on down [01-Aug-24 08:40 AM] perac1#0000 And, if I cancel my selling order and I don't have any ships at station, does my Al stay at station, or it dissapears? [01-Aug-24 08:41 AM] jcheung#0000 No warehouse? [01-Aug-24 08:42 AM] perac1#0000 I didn't buy any [01-Aug-24 08:42 AM] jcheung#0000 It will be sent to contracts for pickup. You should rent at least one warehouse [01-Aug-24 08:42 AM] perac1#0000 Ok [01-Aug-24 08:42 AM] jcheung#0000 It's cheap [01-Aug-24 08:48 AM] perac1#0000 Oh, yeah that very cheap [01-Aug-24 10:02 AM] skyrey#0000 I did not like that there were two of the same tentacle. Here is an updated version {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1268584757801910334/Screenshot_2024-08-01_at_17.01.35.png?ex=6814de9f&is=68138d1f&hm=bf0d90eec83700c71c21006899825adb3e0393c24e853f962a49be65e50ebb73& {Reactions} โค๏ธ (2) [01-Aug-24 02:47 PM] razenpok#0000 Cheap SC.AI1 is being sold rn {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1268656479410323466/image.png?ex=681478ab&is=6813272b&hm=f599c070a4ad36cd7917ec6ab77ce47146418db702c2c17f399ffb176af0a6ea& [01-Aug-24 02:47 PM] razenpok#0000 @tanda cc [01-Aug-24 04:02 PM] revoric#0000 Totally want to build fuel depots on each tentacle for the influence to reach further. I feel like we could coordinate local markets with enough orders and stock to be considered a CX given enough planning and commitment ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜‚ [01-Aug-24 06:28 PM] Deleted User#0000 That is so horrible. [01-Aug-24 08:04 PM] tanda#0000 aww and I just bought it [03-Aug-24 04:31 AM] jvaler#0000 D: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1269226229643477085/image.png?ex=6814910a&is=68133f8a&hm=52717867146a623aaa0fd9134bb65575ec69153b19dc9dc8cf78317db2105ae3& [03-Aug-24 04:32 AM] jvaler#0000 take the backhaul goddamnit {Reactions} kekw [03-Aug-24 04:32 AM] jvaler#0000 grr [03-Aug-24 04:32 AM] jvaler#0000 i shoulda put more of the pay on the 1680 DW than the BER [04-Aug-24 03:46 AM] razenpok#0000 Nice trading opportunity if you have I on HRT (average traded price is 362) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1269577202286985246/image.png?ex=68148668&is=681334e8&hm=3901f4cedaa4b9d11693827b5ee7cf81a04e1b80475467fce7abea1331120a63& [04-Aug-24 12:56 PM] scorpy6225#0000 Promise there will be a lot more buying [04-Aug-24 12:56 PM] scorpy6225#0000 Please fill it xD [04-Aug-24 03:12 PM] jvaler#0000 finally making a shopfront for #internal-offers lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1269749891828158636/image.png?ex=68147e7d&is=68132cfd&hm=67a73c3026ea39c1937caf40d1f4ef7e82d690857bd30e8c98ea3c6c78993204& [04-Aug-24 03:13 PM] jvaler#0000 was gonna happen eventually, no way i'm manually updating that forever [04-Aug-24 03:13 PM] akyantor#0000 It does make things a lot easier once it's setup [04-Aug-24 03:15 PM] jvaler#0000 i originally wanted to make a sort of hub for all the different listings to get compiled, but i don't know how to solve that last point. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1269750566087823440/image.png?ex=68147f1d&is=68132d9d&hm=17970099daf882b3a5f4c590d904c3f7baea13fd5f51885b63b18d3d4b8068bf& [04-Aug-24 03:15 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 FIO offers perms, for those interested, to view current stocks, if you're interested, along with those who use it regularly... [04-Aug-24 03:15 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 On a to/fro relationship though. [04-Aug-24 03:16 PM] jvaler#0000 ik we use that in AA projects. but it doesn't let you set buffer amounts. i've heard KAWA has an in-corp bot that *does* let you set buffer amounts, but i don't know much about it [04-Aug-24 03:18 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Buffer? Meh. You've set your prices. Can setup a #Thread_Store somewhere, where you want it posted. Takes some intake though, for FIO settings edits. [04-Aug-24 03:19 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Of course ---- as-is. It doesn't work for short-term deals. [04-Aug-24 03:19 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Better for long-term stuff. [04-Aug-24 03:19 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah the FIO settings are way too big of a hassle to guide every new player through that wants to buy from me [04-Aug-24 03:20 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You can probably think of Commodity.Classes. It would be easier to tier up people, in that regard. [04-Aug-24 03:20 PM] akyantor#0000 I think the easiest way to consolodate an internal store is to ask folks to publish a CSV version of their store page in a prescribed format. You can then create a sheet that pulls each of them in (it'd require a one off action for each new storefront). *It's conceptually the same as how sidepipe, I and others, publish now, just switching from HTML to CSV, and in a consistant structure.* [04-Aug-24 03:20 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Idk what your're offering though. Short reccommend. [04-Aug-24 03:21 PM] jvaler#0000 like what tanda has? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTurW5x7j7Puz9hKpoI5wvLw0W0dr9OvkzDgMotlLT1NI8mE7cie_VWb1vmK5W6RZRo34mPQxCZRgaV/pubhtml?gid=1964780185&single=true i've tried to extract data from these before but everything online says it isn't possible [04-Aug-24 03:21 PM] akyantor#0000 There's an option to publish these as CSV rather than HTML. [04-Aug-24 03:21 PM] akyantor#0000 Let me create an example [04-Aug-24 03:24 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Test it with someone in here.... [04-Aug-24 03:24 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If it's easy, portable, ready to understand, and actionable, you may have something viable. [04-Aug-24 03:26 PM] akyantor#0000 Here's an example for my storefront: - [HTML Version](https://ingenious.foo/store) - [CSV Version](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQyIiYe6LaI_KVXb6uIcf3XHnLOBdl3MxU5koX8JtnhCvhefnH_YDTzCVkbmT7qCF4QMxIvGVtMIVAP/pub?gid=2074260768&single=true&output=csv) You can import the later into your own Google sheet using this formula: =IMPORTDATA("https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQyIiYe6LaI_KVXb6uIcf3XHnLOBdl3MxU5koX8JtnhCvhefnH_YDTzCVkbmT7qCF4QMxIvGVtMIVAP/pub?gid=2074260768&single=true&output=csv") [04-Aug-24 03:27 PM] akyantor#0000 If everyone uses that same CSV format, then should be fairly straightforward to create a consolodated store. [04-Aug-24 03:28 PM] jvaler#0000 oh and so if you only publish the sheet without the IMPORTDATA you can hide the auth key? [04-Aug-24 03:28 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Will still need some sort of organization, to keep everyone's post up-to-date... A discord thread maybe? [04-Aug-24 03:29 PM] akyantor#0000 Correct. You don't need any key, just import the data. The keys are all within the persons own sheet, sharing only those materials they wish to include in the CSV [04-Aug-24 03:29 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 And what if you don't parktake in sheets? [04-Aug-24 03:30 PM] akyantor#0000 Then you'd have to stick with the oldschool post method ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [04-Aug-24 03:30 PM] akyantor#0000 Any solution would require some tool that not everyone might use. [04-Aug-24 03:30 PM] akyantor#0000 I don't think this would be a mandatory thing for internal offers, just an optional optimisaiton. [04-Aug-24 03:32 PM] jvaler#0000 it's not necessary, but having everything consolidated could make it much easier to find what you need [04-Aug-24 03:33 PM] akyantor#0000 100% [04-Aug-24 03:33 PM] akyantor#0000 I suspect a lot of folks will adopt it for that reason [04-Aug-24 03:33 PM] jvaler#0000 ohhhhh this is amazing, tysm akyan {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1269755213493829702/image.png?ex=68148371&is=681331f1&hm=ca5926125ccbf067e4e64713791d624824fe8461d05f4523fcec8f93dd2c7d15& [04-Aug-24 03:34 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm gonna work on a template that i can have people copy and put their keys in, then they just send me a published csv link and i compile them all [04-Aug-24 03:34 PM] akyantor#0000 np, will need some google sheets foo to combine more than one import [04-Aug-24 03:34 PM] akyantor#0000 But that unblocks that bit at least. [04-Aug-24 03:36 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 not everyone? maybe. Manual/custom directions need to be articulate, specific, and replicable. [04-Aug-24 03:36 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The more will use it, even if they don't want to. [04-Aug-24 03:36 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 #market-forces [04-Aug-24 03:37 PM] jcheung#0000 I have an idea for that. If the storefronts are created alike, then you can have another sheet reference them and complile them into a master list [04-Aug-24 03:37 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'd recommend pins and/or threads for such use, especially if more go after it. [04-Aug-24 03:38 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Individual updates are preferred. [04-Aug-24 03:38 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Master updates have a common point of failure, that who will likely be sending out the conts.... [04-Aug-24 03:38 PM] jvaler#0000 yup that's the idea [04-Aug-24 03:39 PM] jvaler#0000 that's why i'm gonna make a template for people to use {Reactions} ๐Ÿซฐ [04-Aug-24 03:39 PM] jvaler#0000 that way it's standardized [04-Aug-24 03:39 PM] jcheung#0000 Did you read what i said? [04-Aug-24 03:41 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Do you know what pins/threads are? {Reactions} โ“ [04-Aug-24 03:41 PM] jcheung#0000 Can you fully read what i said, and what i replied to? [04-Aug-24 03:41 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I agree to what you said. Differ on the method of implementation. [04-Aug-24 03:42 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Compilation is a different step, which is seperate from the user, who creates their own sheets. [04-Aug-24 03:42 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Unless you'd like to do that for everyone. [04-Aug-24 03:42 PM] jcheung#0000 Clearly you didn't, because individual updates was what i said, with an automatic compilation [04-Aug-24 03:42 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Then, you become the weakest link, of potential failure, if ever something RL happens..... Second sentence (second clause) [04-Aug-24 03:43 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 First sentence, I agree. [04-Aug-24 03:43 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Fully. [04-Aug-24 03:43 PM] jcheung#0000 I'm sorry, have you actually utilized google sheets before? [04-Aug-24 03:44 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I only use G-docs, for a copy of Archiel's Gov sheet (this is direct feedback, through market research inquiries)... [04-Aug-24 03:44 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Not everyone is familiar, or uses G-sheets thoroughly, or well. [04-Aug-24 03:44 PM] jcheung#0000 There are dozens of skilled programmers in here, which are basically really advanced spreadsheet users. I'm sure that if i make something and then fall off the wagon, they could pick up the slack [04-Aug-24 03:45 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yes, programmers. I don't make my IRL money, in programming. Nor do others. [04-Aug-24 03:45 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You know your stuff, probably a good # of others do as well..... But that's limiting the scope of what you want done. [04-Aug-24 03:46 PM] jcheung#0000 Alright. What is your automated information collection and sorting idea that doesn't rely on an individual to operate it all [04-Aug-24 03:46 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It doesn't have to be an #all-done-by-you thing either. I'm just pointing out a serious concern, that can maybe be worked on by another. [04-Aug-24 03:46 PM] jcheung#0000 Because pins and threads aren't it, since that's basically the current system [04-Aug-24 03:47 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Elaborate your methodology. Pins/threads are a discord thing. If it can be done via g-docs simply, 'splain it. [04-Aug-24 03:47 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Just so that everyone's on the same page. [04-Aug-24 03:47 PM] jcheung#0000 I can't to someone who thinks that if i make something in google sheets and i walk into a black hole that nobody can pick up the slack [04-Aug-24 03:48 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Simple language. I can probably help you do with what is needed, but I like to talk dumb, while knowing, that I also know a fair bit of programming. [04-Aug-24 03:49 PM] jcheung#0000 I have my doubts [04-Aug-24 03:49 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'm not trying to dick you down, I'm just trying to make attempt, at a minimally-viable product. [04-Aug-24 03:49 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Something you can pitch to most people, who will get your idea, like it, and contribute. [04-Aug-24 03:49 PM] jvaler#0000 the whole idea of this is to move the storefronts off of discord, that way stock can be updated by FIO instead of manually. each person will have their own sheet template for them to input their data into (what's for sale, their prices, desired buffers, etc.), then they will publish their processed data into a web .csv. i will then take everyone's published .csv's and compile them in my own spreadsheet so that everyone's information can be viewed and searched for in one place {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) ๐Ÿ’ช (2) [04-Aug-24 03:50 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ^^ Yes. [04-Aug-24 03:51 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 @jvaler has it --- but 1-2 more people, who will do "mirrors" of what's done, would be great..... [04-Aug-24 03:51 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Redundancies, if ever @jvaler goes dark, for whatever reason. [04-Aug-24 03:51 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 or just share admin perms, via gsheets. [04-Aug-24 03:51 PM] jcheung#0000 Why the hell do you need to mirror [04-Aug-24 03:51 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Not my problem ๐Ÿ˜› [04-Aug-24 03:52 PM] jvaler#0000 if i go dark ADI goes dark lol. if i'm not online there's no way for me to hand off the server's ownership to someone else [04-Aug-24 03:52 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 LOL [04-Aug-24 03:52 PM] jvaler#0000 so redundancy in an internal offers spreadsheet is like a secondary worry if i happen to dissapear [04-Aug-24 03:53 PM] jvaler#0000 but unless i die that's not gonna happen [04-Aug-24 03:53 PM] akyantor#0000 tbh, think we're overthinking it. If everyone publishes a CSV in the same format, it's a very small job to build a new version of the combined storefront. [04-Aug-24 03:53 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Married?! Kids!? Old?! [04-Aug-24 03:53 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Sry, but I have to ask. [04-Aug-24 03:53 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You don't have to give me details... [04-Aug-24 03:53 PM] jvaler#0000 no i'm very young lol [04-Aug-24 03:53 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 K. [04-Aug-24 03:53 PM] jcheung#0000 Even so, you can simply just... not check the box that disallows copying [04-Aug-24 03:53 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 No issues apparently.... [04-Aug-24 03:53 PM] jvaler#0000 most likely cause of death would probably be from a car [04-Aug-24 03:54 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Fair response, which covers my issue.l [04-Aug-24 03:54 PM] jcheung#0000 And so long as google doesn't discontinue sheets, a copy will be available [04-Aug-24 03:54 PM] jvaler#0000 oh yeah this is true too [04-Aug-24 03:54 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yes, it looks like there's a viable concept.... Now a product test. [04-Aug-24 03:54 PM] jcheung#0000 No we, only one of us things it would be difficult [04-Aug-24 03:55 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Gimme a populated test sheet. I will tell you what I think of it, and so with others. Discord poll for community input. [04-Aug-24 03:55 PM] evany.#0000 whats an ELP [04-Aug-24 03:55 PM] jvaler#0000 mhm i'm gonna get feedback on the process. i need to know what people value to be put in the template [04-Aug-24 03:55 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 [BUI.ELP] in APEX game [04-Aug-24 03:56 PM] evany.#0000 thx [04-Aug-24 03:56 PM] jvaler#0000 like, do people need the ability to set sale locations on planets or is having everything assumed to be on ANT enough? [04-Aug-24 03:56 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I also know what people value.... But for those who dont? #do-and-learn? [04-Aug-24 03:56 PM] jcheung#0000 That could be a column of its own [04-Aug-24 03:57 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 No; but giving ratios for delivery locations would be nice. [04-Aug-24 03:57 PM] jvaler#0000 ratios for delivery locations? what's that mean [04-Aug-24 03:57 PM] jcheung#0000 Ticker / stock / location RAT /2038 / ANT, HRT {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Aug-24 03:57 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If you have distributed production.... [04-Aug-24 03:57 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Some at Mor, Some at Hrt... The most at ANT... IDK what you do ๐Ÿ˜› [04-Aug-24 03:57 PM] akyantor#0000 tbh, I'd be minded to keep it simple... material, stock, location, user, price. This replicates what we have now. [04-Aug-24 03:57 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Neither will anyone else, unless they have your FIO perms, at least. [04-Aug-24 03:58 PM] jcheung#0000 Then you can split location by whatever standardized separator [04-Aug-24 03:58 PM] jvaler#0000 oh multiple locations? how would stock work for that? do you just sum both locations' stock into 1 number? [04-Aug-24 03:58 PM] akyantor#0000 I think you push that onto the person producing the view, and have one row per location. [04-Aug-24 03:58 PM] jcheung#0000 Either individual line items per location, or just that it's available [04-Aug-24 03:58 PM] akyantor#0000 That way the consoldated view is simple [04-Aug-24 03:58 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Can if you want do, but add a column for disclaimer, with different CXs as variable cards. [04-Aug-24 03:59 PM] jcheung#0000 I may have imagined just a condensed list when i wrote this specifically [04-Aug-24 04:00 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Consolidated is simpler for FIO. Diverse is simpler for client realities. 1st is easier to simply implement, just add wildcards when you know it's not like 100% ANT [04-Aug-24 04:00 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Idc, what you do, btw. [04-Aug-24 04:00 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 A simple mockup first. [04-Aug-24 04:01 PM] jvaler#0000 that makes the most sense, but it also sounds really difficult with how some of the functions i'm relying on work [04-Aug-24 04:01 PM] jcheung#0000 .....a mock up would be more effort that it's worth [04-Aug-24 04:01 PM] jcheung#0000 What's the fio output data that you get, i haven't messed with the API outputs yet [04-Aug-24 04:02 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm in the middle of repurposing the personal sheet i made into a template, so i'll have something to show soon {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1269762424425418762/image.png?ex=68148a29&is=681338a9&hm=454618cc0c8bf86c4056b0d56119645746c0814b1bc84c0578dcda5f7645fbbb& [04-Aug-24 04:02 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 a mock-up is anything..... [04-Aug-24 04:03 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's merely something that you can throw in front of someone, and say, this is what's i'm offering as my FIO store! [04-Aug-24 04:03 PM] jvaler#0000 left is FIO output, right is filtered to ANT WAR only {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1269762585256005693/image.png?ex=68148a4f&is=681338cf&hm=cd2c7668e30d076084328af6b09c19ee1dd8bc7367f3edb3dc3f184e913a69d0& [04-Aug-24 04:03 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 @jvaler is literally doing this, btw. [04-Aug-24 04:03 PM] jvaler#0000 there's also burn data which is really nice {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1269762747222986846/image.png?ex=68148a75&is=681338f5&hm=d84b1b14db83e49bcf1d01e937170c9071519c7fa278cf504d048c472197925c& [04-Aug-24 04:05 PM] jcheung#0000 No, they're literally building the product which is shifting each time they make a change. Any "mock up" would require functional formulas and be no different from the final version [04-Aug-24 04:09 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I get that... But they're dropping FIO input functions, pulling API data, which looks like you could filter out what you're not willing to sell to others... Minimally viable product (you just just drop in a note, saying what is not for sale, and post that AS-IS). [04-Aug-24 04:09 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah it's like 50% functional right now [04-Aug-24 04:09 PM] jvaler#0000 a lot of it is already made and/or can be repurposed [04-Aug-24 04:09 PM] jcheung#0000 Cool. Then you can filter each cx by default and then have a line for each item with location tag? Maybe also an area for limited entries, maybe.... 5 non cx locations and 2 tickers at each location? [04-Aug-24 04:10 PM] jvaler#0000 can't quite picture this in my head lol sorry [04-Aug-24 04:10 PM] jcheung#0000 Let me get thome [04-Aug-24 04:10 PM] jvaler#0000 alr [04-Aug-24 04:12 PM] jvaler#0000 if we were to do custom locations i was thinking i could import the FIO .csv that lists every planet in the game, then just turn that into a dropdown you can search and select from {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Aug-24 04:12 PM] jvaler#0000 so that solves specifying what are valid inputs, but there's still the issue of how to process that into something functional [04-Aug-24 04:17 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Functional? Maybe. What do you want to be displayed? [04-Aug-24 04:18 PM] jvaler#0000 i imagine this? so you'd have 1 row per location that way you can specify a different stock and buffer in each location [04-Aug-24 04:20 PM] jvaler#0000 it'd be very easy to *replace* the ANT default location with another location, but it will be difficult to be able to make listings *in addition* to the ANT default location [04-Aug-24 04:21 PM] tanda#0000 most of the time goods will be sold at the point they are produce or as side deals [04-Aug-24 04:22 PM] tanda#0000 I'm not sure the sheet would necessarily need to cover those cases [04-Aug-24 04:23 PM] jvaler#0000 sold at the point they are produced? as in on-site? i feel like those cases are actually much less common than stuff being traded at ANT [04-Aug-24 04:23 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, that's what I mean. Sometimes I'll sell some LST to someone who needs some or someone will pick up AL at Deimos [04-Aug-24 04:24 PM] tanda#0000 but those are generally with repeat partners or people who ask for one time deals [04-Aug-24 04:24 PM] tanda#0000 95% of the time if I'm looking through the trade channel I'm expecting ANT pickup [04-Aug-24 04:24 PM] jvaler#0000 ah okay [04-Aug-24 04:24 PM] tanda#0000 That and as a proof of concept, the smaller scope the better [04-Aug-24 04:25 PM] tanda#0000 other things could be added in later [04-Aug-24 04:25 PM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, that's a fair argument [04-Aug-24 04:25 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah i'm thinking the effort needed to be able to list multiple locations isn't worth how little it would be utilized [04-Aug-24 04:25 PM] akyantor#0000 95% of the ADI internal trade is at CX, so perhaps don't complicate it for the first iteration [04-Aug-24 04:25 PM] jvaler#0000 buut i could run a poll [04-Aug-24 04:27 PM] jvaler#0000 for something to show sure, but once it's implemented we'd want to keep template revisions to a minimum. cause each person would have to create a copy of the new template and fill out their information again [04-Aug-24 04:28 PM] akyantor#0000 Ah, fair point [04-Aug-24 04:28 PM] tanda#0000 default FIO import data imports all items in all locations for everyone, so maybe just keep that, and then just filter down to ANT until you can find a way to implement it on the master side? [04-Aug-24 04:29 PM] realharvey#0000 maybe make a template that holds way more information than we are displaying in the first iteration? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [04-Aug-24 04:29 PM] realharvey#0000 So if we decide we want to display some more information [04-Aug-24 04:29 PM] realharvey#0000 the template is already there [04-Aug-24 04:29 PM] realharvey#0000 and you just fill some more fields [04-Aug-24 04:29 PM] realharvey#0000 or you just fill it full beforehand [04-Aug-24 04:31 PM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, that may work. Consolodated view just filters to ANT only to start... [04-Aug-24 04:32 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't think the issue is actually on the compiled side, it's on the template side. because currently i have each listing specified based on a checklist next to every single ticker. so you checkmark what items you're selling and it adds a single entry of that to the "offered tickers" column. to be able to have multiple locations would require duplicate rows of tickers, which i have no idea where to begin to do that {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1269769980833038518/image.png?ex=68149132&is=68133fb2&hm=b78f7dad8456ba8411f2cf51b50ec15739f23dc4d201e963f5b0296ddfd74a2a& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Aug-24 04:33 PM] jvaler#0000 to be clear column J, K, and L here are the inputs [04-Aug-24 04:33 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1269770193643507772/image.png?ex=68149165&is=68133fe5&hm=cc28599849005ea79b90c25a2332cda93d7db84e1ad33de04fcf9801d8e0db8c& [04-Aug-24 04:38 PM] jvaler#0000 ACTUALLY... [04-Aug-24 04:39 PM] jvaler#0000 the listings don't *need* to be semi-automated, i could just have people manually input the tickers they want [04-Aug-24 04:39 PM] jvaler#0000 hmmmmm [04-Aug-24 04:40 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah i could turn columns C, D, E, and G into the new inputs [04-Aug-24 04:40 PM] jvaler#0000 so you can have as many duplicates as you want [04-Aug-24 04:40 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah i'll do that [04-Aug-24 04:41 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://tenor.com/view/owen-wilson-wow-marley-and-me-smooth-hd-hq-gif-977282450591946462 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/owen-wilson-wow-marley-and-me-smooth-hd-hq-gif-977282450591946462 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Y3sBHGUDrDXa_YjaxY5tjWIinRXN6tmODPmssMHgvsQ/https/media.tenor.com/DZABNgDBlt4AAAAe/owen-wilson-wow-marley-and-me.png [04-Aug-24 04:41 PM] jvaler#0000 oh this should be going in #prun-tool-discussion shouldn't it [04-Aug-24 04:41 PM] jvaler#0000 you be quiet [04-Aug-24 04:41 PM] jvaler#0000 let me be dumb [04-Aug-24 04:41 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 k. [04-Aug-24 04:42 PM] jcheung#0000 That only works if i don't have something to contribute [04-Aug-24 04:42 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Everything should be about #me, #me, and also #me, right? [04-Aug-24 04:44 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffcBNxwWrbM {Embed} Warner Bros. Entertainment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffcBNxwWrbM Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows | Stag Party | Warner Bros. Ente... Own it on Blu-ray Combo Pack or Digital Download 6/12! http://bit.ly/J6mfi0 Like us on Facebook - http://on.fb.me/WBEntFB Follow us on Twitter - http://bit.ly/WBHETW Connect with Warner Bros. Entertainment Online: Follow Warner Bros. Entertainment INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/warnerbrosentertainment/ Like Warner Bros. Entertainment o... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/SiGwKME6GvOUih3S-4aPuR6rqRk_Dspieh9zQtYMMvo/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/ffcBNxwWrbM/maxresdefault.jpg [04-Aug-24 04:51 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's a compliment. Yes you, do stand for whatever includes you! Lest not something of yours, actually come due? Idk. The person who wanted full, individual automation, now stands aback, against another's temptation! Find out a common cause and effort, of any who want, in this befitting desert. **My long previous argument of inclusion of ther #programmers, who want to contribute to this, still stands** Find a common solution, both of ye, so that many can rejoice, in bountiful glee! [04-Aug-24 04:52 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1269775090103619676/image0.gif?ex=681495f4&is=68134474&hm=4e59afe84dd2e1be8902e9e373f1cfb49f2ac955597e4f4fb60aad9dc76d38d2& [04-Aug-24 05:05 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Not my problem. If you're contributing, find a common solution to your needs + what you're going to be contributing. If pure automation basically leaves you out, well then it's inclusion is a #serious-question, no? [04-Aug-24 05:06 PM] jcheung#0000 Context, guy [04-Aug-24 05:06 PM] jcheung#0000 Here, let me break down the comment that was sent in jest for you [04-Aug-24 05:07 PM] jcheung#0000 Person says "let me be dumb". If i say, in response, "not if i have anything to say", that can translate over to "i won't let you be dumb" or "i won't let you be dumb alone" [04-Aug-24 05:07 PM] jcheung#0000 Depending on how you read it [04-Aug-24 05:12 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's not why I'm here, per my original #server-airlock posting, as to why I'm here. If you're thinking/feeling that you might be left out, regarding anything that you want to be involved in // or contribute to... Make yourself be known, very loudly. [04-Aug-24 05:13 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Like per automated // collated private-stock listings "But I won't have anything to do then!?!?" If you like it, go with it. If not, then say what you'd like, to keep you in the game. [04-Aug-24 05:13 PM] jcheung#0000 Alright, i have to ask. Are you a manager type? You seem like that manager type who ate a thesaurus and gets physically ill if they use words containing less than 5 letters and constantly needs tl know everything instead of letting people work in peace {Reactions} _kek_ [04-Aug-24 05:14 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'm not in RL, and definitely not in the #internet-life. There's a very simple rule to working in peace --- close out your social media, discord, and PrUN COMG chat logs. [04-Aug-24 05:16 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'm here to offer balance, and different perspectives. If you don't like it --- well I'll fully expect that... Do what you want -- I won't force you into anything, or tell you what you should be doing with your life.... [04-Aug-24 05:16 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I'll be real, you sound high at all times {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Aug-24 05:16 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 But others might need more input, or a different ear, to hear their ideas. [04-Aug-24 05:17 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You want high, all the time? Just talk with #Joe_Biden, in APEX general chat in-game. [04-Aug-24 05:17 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I don't do those drugs, at any time though. [04-Aug-24 05:18 PM] jvaler#0000 the contention is that not everything needs a different perspective. for example in #associate-planning, pointing out that you'd need an FTL-capable ship to use demeter is pointless because that's the case for basically every planet in the game. hell, demeter doesn't even have a shipyard to make STL-only ships possible. [04-Aug-24 05:19 PM] jvaler#0000 it completely derails the conversation [04-Aug-24 05:19 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Demeter -- Hermes, is an off-CX system, that needs pure FTL comittment. There's a few others, that don't need such service, all the time. [04-Aug-24 05:19 PM] jvaler#0000 what does off-CX mean? [04-Aug-24 05:20 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yes, you'll wan't some FTL service, eventually, but it depends on the STO/WAR investment put into each base, by each person -------- off-CX = everything in a system, that doesn't have a CX. [04-Aug-24 05:20 PM] jvaler#0000 so off-CX = 99% of planets? [04-Aug-24 05:21 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/r5YFuRrYGFJovOdlj7dchEdZkFW_qNXDLWB6YegbHl0/https/media.tenor.com/mj-a5e_tvagAAAAe/sisyphus-rock.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [04-Aug-24 05:22 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It depends on what you need supplied immediately, every few days, or it can just grind by itself. I'll note 2 systems. FK-794 + SE-110. They have inherent RE/AGR/FP COGCs, with chains that can be easily serviced with STLs, provided FTL exports, at some point in time, depending on when you need those exports done. [04-Aug-24 05:23 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Your example, now? [04-Aug-24 05:24 PM] jvaler#0000 you said everything that isn't in the CX system is an off-CX planet... [04-Aug-24 05:24 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 don't cut me off by your half-witted logic --- you cut off half of my statement [04-Aug-24 05:24 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 respond to it fully, or not at all. [04-Aug-24 05:24 PM] jvaler#0000 the other half of your statement was incomprehensible [04-Aug-24 05:24 PM] evany.#0000 its one thing to offer a secondary perspective, its an entirely other thing to just make up pointless contentions. [04-Aug-24 05:25 PM] evany.#0000 you say a lot of words and mean nothing. [04-Aug-24 05:25 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 so say you [04-Aug-24 05:25 PM] jvaler#0000 it's just really frustrating to talk to you, i'm sorry. i wanna go back to working on the spreadsheet template. peace [04-Aug-24 05:25 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yeah, I get it... We done on this? [04-Aug-24 05:26 PM] jvaler#0000 yup [04-Aug-24 05:26 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 K. [04-Aug-24 05:26 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Don't wanna disturb your peace. Just offering counterpoint (which is hard argument). [04-Aug-24 05:26 PM] evany.#0000 i get your new here but i'd encourage you to consider your approach here. turning everything into an argument when everyone has different goals is a bit of a fools errand. [04-Aug-24 05:26 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If you don't like a given talk, I'll cut-off, at request, with no harm done, beef, or ill issue, on my end. [04-Aug-24 05:28 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Convince me, on specific issues, with evidence, reason, and whatever you like.... I'f I'm inclined = you'll get full support from me. [04-Aug-24 05:30 PM] evany.#0000 its not their job to convince you, not everyones looking for a debate. as someone that enjoys a healthy debate from time to time its just not that important most of the time if you decide to drop a single AML off-cogc. [04-Aug-24 05:32 PM] jcheung#0000 are CXs even on planets? thought they were on stations orbiting the star [04-Aug-24 05:32 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yeah, I get it. My point, is that even small debates, can give out little ideas... Like your AML off-cogc... You don't have to try to convince me either! I'm perfectly fine with you having the better idea --- I might even swtich my operations to suit that idea! [04-Aug-24 05:33 PM] jvaler#0000 that's correct [04-Aug-24 05:33 PM] jcheung#0000 therefore, all planets are off-cx ๐Ÿ˜‰ [04-Aug-24 05:33 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Set, by the few people that actually vote for COGC application --- YES! [04-Aug-24 05:34 PM] jvaler#0000 huh? CX =/= CoGC [04-Aug-24 05:34 PM] jcheung#0000 what the actual... hell does COGC have to do with CX [04-Aug-24 05:34 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Not argument... Little observation though... freudian slip!? [04-Aug-24 05:35 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Most CX operational areas have diversified operations, to include enough COGC applications, per planet, within decent reach of a given CX? [04-Aug-24 05:35 PM] jcheung#0000 i think you've lost the plot [04-Aug-24 05:36 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It would be nice if CX == COGC influence, but right now, it doesn't... Per the point... Almost all planets are Off-CX, unless you can guarantee service?! [04-Aug-24 05:36 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ^^ Is that good enough? [04-Aug-24 05:36 PM] jcheung#0000 what point [04-Aug-24 05:37 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 this one [04-Aug-24 05:38 PM] jcheung#0000 there are zero CoGCs influenced by CX, and zero CXs affected by CoGCs. additionally, to what you just quoted, let me break that down for you. CXs are physically distinct entities from planets. they have zero relation to planets other than being physical entities orbiting a stellar furnace. [04-Aug-24 05:38 PM] jcheung#0000 it would be like calling the international space station a moon [04-Aug-24 05:39 PM] jcheung#0000 therefore, since they are distinct entities not physically coupled, all planets are off CX, and all CXs are off planet [04-Aug-24 05:43 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Extremely fair, however consider those companies, operating majorly, within a given CX, have matching faction bonuses, which is concurrent with their faction's designation. BEN companies, have a flat production bonus, to MAN COGCs + base production, which is irrelevant of what any of those companies actually do. Per your point, the COGCs might not be directly influenced by the CX, but statistically, those additional bonuses should convey some sort of opportunity cost preference, regarding those processes which people would better like to run + what's available in the given area, around BEN, compared to others. [04-Aug-24 05:43 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 This is also extremely general. [04-Aug-24 05:43 PM] jcheung#0000 first of all, those are not COGCs [04-Aug-24 05:43 PM] jcheung#0000 actually, that's the only thing that has to be said [04-Aug-24 05:44 PM] jcheung#0000 well, i guess i can add [04-Aug-24 05:44 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 No, but their input price points are influenced by the efficiencies not only inherent via faction bonuses, but also those seen via CX price spreads, and nearby resource deposits. [04-Aug-24 05:44 PM] jcheung#0000 second, faction bonuses apply across the entire galaxy [04-Aug-24 05:44 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If you are all over across the galaxy. [04-Aug-24 05:45 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Otherwise, starter bros only really have Faction + non-faction areas, directly available to them, via accessible shipping, with their limitations. [04-Aug-24 05:45 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/r5YFuRrYGFJovOdlj7dchEdZkFW_qNXDLWB6YegbHl0/https/media.tenor.com/mj-a5e_tvagAAAAe/sisyphus-rock.png [04-Aug-24 05:46 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I don't think this is going anywhere {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [04-Aug-24 05:47 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm very stubborn [04-Aug-24 05:47 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Good point.... I'm a cut this off, just to allow, anything else.... [04-Aug-24 05:47 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 @jcheung we can continue this at another time, when it's opportune. [04-Aug-24 05:47 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 K? [04-Aug-24 05:47 PM] jcheung#0000 sneaky little shit, almost accepted that thinking it was to ANT {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1269788899463397446/image.png?ex=6814a2d1&is=68135151&hm=01ad89695b240431ed072bde416785674e66c83b7b38864b4ea68ef0333fff56& [04-Aug-24 05:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol I did that [04-Aug-24 05:47 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ^^^ Yeah double check your shiping ad info. [04-Aug-24 05:48 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 LOL [04-Aug-24 05:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But it has no end date so [04-Aug-24 05:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 As long as it gets done eventually [04-Aug-24 05:48 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 OOOF [04-Aug-24 05:48 PM] jcheung#0000 it's an exploration contract with extra steps [04-Aug-24 05:48 PM] jcheung#0000 worse, it wastes my storage space ๐Ÿ˜‚ [04-Aug-24 05:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I might have one that is 130 or so days old [04-Aug-24 05:48 PM] evany.#0000 what if you get an exploration contact to go there! DOUBLE PAY {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (3) [04-Aug-24 05:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Or [04-Aug-24 05:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Another shipping CONT to that planet [04-Aug-24 05:50 PM] jcheung#0000 then i guarentee that i'll simply forget to bring the physical shipment [04-Aug-24 05:50 PM] sidepipe#0000 So many times [04-Aug-24 05:50 PM] sidepipe#0000 I actually had an explore contract to Halcyon, where I have a base [04-Aug-24 05:50 PM] sidepipe#0000 And it still took me 3 months to finish [04-Aug-24 05:51 PM] jcheung#0000 had one for one of my own bases too, kept forgetting to turn it in [04-Aug-24 05:51 PM] jcheung#0000 if the rewards would actually pay for my actual fuel usage i might be more inclined to visit [04-Aug-24 05:51 PM] jcheung#0000 bleh. i think i'm rejecting all these conts today. looks gross across the board [04-Aug-24 05:54 PM] tanda#0000 I gave up on explore contracts even to bases I own, because I generally don't even stop to think about npc contracts when my ship finally landed on Nascent and I need C back to ANT now [04-Aug-24 05:54 PM] jcheung#0000 how i finally finished it was i attached the contract to my base screen and had it nearly fill up the inventory panel [04-Aug-24 05:54 PM] jcheung#0000 hard to miss it when you can't see your inventory to load your ship ๐Ÿ˜‚ [04-Aug-24 05:55 PM] tanda#0000 hahahah that's great [04-Aug-24 05:55 PM] jcheung#0000 similar to this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1269790951409324032/image.png?ex=6814a4ba&is=6813533a&hm=b30ab0bf0105915dadc7a859d29ba740dae61e8d3cd63a5863b6bb7d1dee3cce& [04-Aug-24 09:23 PM] jcheung#0000 ....yay, send my ship to astraeus instead of ant. well, guess i'm breaching this contract >.> [05-Aug-24 08:06 AM] jvaler#0000 rip australis again... [05-Aug-24 08:06 AM] jvaler#0000 hmm [05-Aug-24 08:06 AM] igfloz#0000 Yeah, I saw that [05-Aug-24 08:08 AM] flor2081#0000 Huh why did he leave again? [05-Aug-24 08:11 AM] jvaler#0000 i have no idea [05-Aug-24 08:11 AM] realharvey#0000 is it normal that he just leaves without a word? [05-Aug-24 08:11 AM] jvaler#0000 first time they never said anything [05-Aug-24 08:11 AM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ [05-Aug-24 08:12 AM] realharvey#0000 Strange.. When I want to take a break from something I just mute the discord for that time. [05-Aug-24 08:16 AM] flor2081#0000 Yeah last time he deleted his dc account too [05-Aug-24 08:16 AM] flor2081#0000 Felt very random [05-Aug-24 08:19 AM] jvaler#0000 i was mistaken when i said that, they had just left every mutual server. if they deleted their account there's only a week or so that you're allowed to recover it within [05-Aug-24 08:19 AM] flor2081#0000 It literally said "deleted user" a while back though [05-Aug-24 08:20 AM] flor2081#0000 I think so at least [05-Aug-24 08:20 AM] jvaler#0000 hmmm [05-Aug-24 08:26 AM] realharvey#0000 Not sure what they might be going through. But this sounds concerning to me. But nothing we can really do other than respect the decision and be welcomeing if they decide to come back [05-Aug-24 09:08 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Eh, something happened? Oh well. You can do ^ that. You can also try to put yourself in their shoes, or reflect what you did/didn't do. [05-Aug-24 10:58 AM] skyrey#0000 (pinned) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1270048366318846065/Screenshot_2024-08-05_at_17.58.10.png?ex=6814ebb6&is=68139a36&hm=02dfee59d18a065e37cf323afb19fd106867eabc91162041ee179e550673aa8a& [05-Aug-24 10:59 AM] skyrey#0000 Context: Just hit 500 000 In equity and had a very profitable weeks - But it is not yet enough to fully fund a second base and stock up on supplies [05-Aug-24 11:00 AM] tanda#0000 well hey, at least you know it's coming! [05-Aug-24 11:01 AM] tanda#0000 I'm about to be poor as heck for a bit [05-Aug-24 11:01 AM] igfloz#0000 We all get that lol, out of curiosity have you maxxed your first permit ? [05-Aug-24 11:02 AM] skyrey#0000 Yep, maxed farming base on Harmonia [05-Aug-24 11:03 AM] igfloz#0000 awesome, multiple crops for rations or focused on Carbon ? [05-Aug-24 11:04 AM] tanda#0000 I see you haven't claimed your AGP grant yet, perhaps you might consider that? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (3) [05-Aug-24 11:04 AM] igfloz#0000 What he said ! [05-Aug-24 11:46 AM] skyrey#0000 Not yet fully decided. I already have a small plant for a carbon base on Nascent, I also feel that Carbon will open up room for plastics and metallurgy [05-Aug-24 11:54 AM] jvaler#0000 Pinned a message. [05-Aug-24 12:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I don't think he deleted his discord. Still in my friends list [05-Aug-24 12:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 tho he's not in my steam friends list.... [05-Aug-24 12:54 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Well, you can still gift them nitro, if not any game anymore? [05-Aug-24 12:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 that's not the point its a pattern that is usually consistent with depression and its fatal counterpart [05-Aug-24 12:55 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I know, but whatever is going on, must run its course. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘Ž (3) [05-Aug-24 12:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 at least thats the vibe i'm getting [05-Aug-24 12:56 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If what you're saying is spot on, regarding what's happening with that person, they need to figure out their stuff. [05-Aug-24 12:57 PM] jcheung#0000 to put it more bluntly, hal is talking about suicide. [05-Aug-24 12:57 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If they didn't ask you of anything, well I'd think that you'll just be barging into their stuff, without the consent to do so from them --- not the best idea, per my experience. [05-Aug-24 12:57 PM] jcheung#0000 letting "it run its course" ends up with death {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [05-Aug-24 12:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah well my friend never asked me to do anything about it [05-Aug-24 12:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Pretty shit take bro [05-Aug-24 12:58 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yes, but that person still has their free will. You all can reach out. [05-Aug-24 12:58 PM] jcheung#0000 i was also thinking similar, but i'm not familiar enough with them to reach out [05-Aug-24 12:58 PM] jcheung#0000 you're fucked up [05-Aug-24 12:58 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Nope. [05-Aug-24 12:59 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If you knew this person irl --- yes I'd be very concerned, and would be reaching out, lending a hand, and giving suggestions, since irl stuff is much more tangible and impactful. [05-Aug-24 12:59 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 But since this is online, and you don't really know anyone you talk to, you might as well be making stuff up. [05-Aug-24 01:00 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'm not saying that you're wrong on anything, either. I just don't know that guy, and I don't know probably most of any of you. [05-Aug-24 01:01 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 But from my experience, leaving without word... on the Discord/Steam social media, is a "spring cleaning" for me. I've done it before. [05-Aug-24 01:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 Sure, but you have no experience with the individual in question. Hal & others do [05-Aug-24 01:02 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 They do? Well they need to do what they think that they need to do. [05-Aug-24 01:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 They do, and I want to put this extremely gently because I donโ€™t want to assume ill intent on your part, but Iโ€™d encourage you to reflect a little bit on what โ€˜figuring it outโ€™ means with things like mental illness. Thatโ€™s not often the type of thing that one can solve by themselves, and the support of friends, online or otherwise, can be extremely helpful in rough times. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (5) [05-Aug-24 01:08 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'll do that --- give me all the feedback, trash my views completely. However I'll give a topic of potential discussion, since we all seem attentive to what happened: "What could we do, to prevent others from being dragged into that downward spiral, in which few return?" I think some old guy once said, an ounce of prevention, is worth a pound of cure? [05-Aug-24 01:10 PM] sidepipe#0000 Sure. Maybe people with enough rapport could, idk, reach out to them when things are looking bad? I really donโ€™t get where youโ€™re going with this man [05-Aug-24 01:11 PM] evany.#0000 wsame as hal he seems to have deleted me on steam too [05-Aug-24 01:11 PM] evany.#0000 he came back last time, let him sort himself [05-Aug-24 01:13 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I said I don't know the guy, or most of you. We're however interacting with each other. IF his issues partially stems from us, maybe we could work on fixing that? If not, then those best suited with talking to him, should really reach out. [05-Aug-24 01:13 PM] jcheung#0000 it's funny because you wanted there to be zero ounces of prevention earlier [05-Aug-24 01:16 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It bounces into a different topic. People have free will in what/whom they choose to engage with. Maybe Hal would have a better idea as to why it happened? I'm staying impartial, even --- even if it's an extremely touchy subject. If I was in australis's shoes, I would have loved to expressly stated any concerns, against any others around prun, should I have had them. Else, I would have given a short sentence as to why I am leaving. Few do that, and I don't blame them. But I don't blame him for not doing so. [05-Aug-24 01:22 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Keep up with the contention, though, on whatever I type. You have my full consent. The purpose of competition, should be to arrive at a better method/solution to any problem at hand, and I have no problem with it. ๐Ÿ˜„ [05-Aug-24 01:27 PM] igfloz#0000 I'll apologise right at the start of this, cos I thnk this might come across as me personally attacking you - but your like Tigger on acid, bouncing into any and every thing with an opinionated and sometimes I feel, devisive input. Who knows, maybe astra just left because he didn't want to put up with such discord ? - I know I have hovered over the block button a few times {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (3) [05-Aug-24 01:33 PM] evany.#0000 i struggle to think of a time where i've seen so many words that have said utterly nothing. hes quite talented at it, its just pot stirring for no real good reason i'd have probably ejected him already {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [05-Aug-24 01:41 PM] jvaler#0000 @scintillating_iridescence a considerable number of members have expressed that they find the constant arguments started by you make the server unpleasant to talk in. i'm asking you to please tone down the level of argumentative counterpoints being brought up at every opportunity. not everything needs to be a debate. i'm not going to take any other action yet as i'd like to give you a chance to behave better. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (3) [05-Aug-24 01:44 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 K. I'll still offer my responses, but if I notice things start to get rolling down a chain of argument, immediately after, I won't add anything more. Is that fair? [05-Aug-24 01:50 PM] jvaler#0000 there's no need to start most of the arguments in the first place. so many of these are just debates for the sake of debate. the original responses brought up are usually based in semantics and hypotheticals ungrounded from reality, which are frustrating and not constructive. before responding, ask yourself "is this relevant?" and "is this constructive?" {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [05-Aug-24 01:52 PM] evany.#0000 well worded [05-Aug-24 01:52 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Duly noted. I'll let others do the pitching in, and if I find something that's missing, from a discussion on relevant Prun things, I'll pitch in, only afterwards, in a limited setting, with a guarantee that you'll get no further argument from me. [05-Aug-24 01:53 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 As for the non-prun stuff, I guess I shall avoid that entirely? ๐Ÿ˜„ [05-Aug-24 01:54 PM] jvaler#0000 if that's what it takes then i suppose so. sounds kinda sad framed that way though lol [05-Aug-24 01:55 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't see why that should be the case? you can talk about whatever you like [05-Aug-24 01:56 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I know. I guess this sort of thing could happen, when you start to get to know, more people? No beef from me though.... I'll self-limit, not that I'm actually wanting to cause trouble, it's just that trouble tends to follow me around. [05-Aug-24 01:57 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Maybe once we get familiar with each other more so, we could be a little better in anything that's discussed. [05-Aug-24 06:13 PM] xtc69#0000 when looking at my money what should i be worried about the most i know profits but trying to figure out how not making much as i thought i be ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1270157850534084668/image.png?ex=6814a8ed&is=6813576d&hm=78d6b5a2b78ba58664d074ceb81bf6d4b83675ecb590f2756e806ea1641bca5c& [05-Aug-24 06:16 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Profits are a thing. Uhm. ROIs of capital investment, versus expected returns, on a base are also a thing. [05-Aug-24 06:17 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Lower POPI tech production, like rats/dw offer good ROIs, but they're determined by your capital sinks in the bases. Higher tech production, basic example: EDC/IDC, offer better capital sinks, which turn over a greater # of money in game, but at a lesser sales turnover + marginal gain. [05-Aug-24 06:17 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Best that I can state it. [05-Aug-24 06:17 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 If I gauge the popular opinion right, people don't tend to look at that detailed screen for much [05-Aug-24 06:17 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 You use prunplanner ? [05-Aug-24 06:17 PM] xtc69#0000 yeah and what you mean detailed screen ? [05-Aug-24 06:18 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 `FINIS` [05-Aug-24 06:18 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 The chart with the full breakdown of the budget [05-Aug-24 06:19 PM] xtc69#0000 aww {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1270159168225153085/image.png?ex=6814aa28&is=681358a8&hm=fafb16b98a8b3cbb1887f57994e6e5f3e84134334240b950950f54acdfb91fc1& [05-Aug-24 06:19 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Omg... Look at that Deimos pie chart, though! [05-Aug-24 06:19 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 So you are making less than you expected ? [05-Aug-24 06:19 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1270159345254137990/image.png?ex=6814aa52&is=681358d2&hm=a412a2eb4cc3fc7e4f65f6a6588669e6e480defdc07f61695c9f43667356acf7& [05-Aug-24 06:20 PM] xtc69#0000 or should i not worry about this screen as much {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1270159405022969946/image.png?ex=6814aa60&is=681358e0&hm=2daa1fd82d141d11ec34d35ce9dfc669bd853b3fcdbca06facf67b328dce2a11& [05-Aug-24 06:20 PM] xtc69#0000 seems to not be right [05-Aug-24 06:20 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 It's usually not greatly accurate [05-Aug-24 06:20 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Well, it's Monday? [05-Aug-24 06:21 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Your financial period end like ~24 hours ago. [05-Aug-24 06:21 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You're just seeing the start of this financial period, in your current reports. [05-Aug-24 06:21 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 You could be making less than prunplanner expected for a few reasons, do you sell as asks or bids ? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [05-Aug-24 06:21 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Do you put up sell orders or sell instantly [05-Aug-24 06:22 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 At this stage fuel costs might cut in noticeably as well [05-Aug-24 06:23 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I wouldn't worry. As long as you end the week with more assets than in the beginning you will be fine [05-Aug-24 06:24 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Mmmm. Fuel use is just a small percentage of your activity. If you always burn least, it's no issue. [05-Aug-24 06:27 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Eh, you look fine. Private projects get accounted in very different ways from what the in-game accouting system is meant for. In-game accounting deals with pure CX-sales, minues CX-purchases, that were plugged into production ques. If you deal a lot with private project stuff, your in-game accounting won't look right. [05-Aug-24 06:28 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Lots of null cost item transfers, that get plugged into production costs as null values, that eventually get sold at the CX, at a huge profit? Idk. [05-Aug-24 06:32 PM] finestone#0000 is the XIT FIN_CHART a mod? [05-Aug-24 06:32 PM] xtc69#0000 yeah came with XIT [05-Aug-24 06:32 PM] xtc69#0000 PMMG [05-Aug-24 06:33 PM] xtc69#0000 just found out about it yesterday lol [05-Aug-24 06:33 PM] finestone#0000 idk what that is but okay thanks [05-Aug-24 06:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 PMMG is a browser extention [05-Aug-24 06:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 like FIO both are worth getting imo [05-Aug-24 06:34 PM] xtc69#0000 https://sites.google.com/view/pmmgextended {Embed} https://sites.google.com/view/pmmgextended PMMG Extended Chrome Store Link Firefox Store Link https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/6X3VxJjlSs0MAqh2SIXOa59iUIJ7x3-ZyBV6bWtyQOY/https/lh5.googleusercontent.com/k3ut6RgLP3H8WNATX2P0XeVHBIl4Ht5vSUvO1JLGbamBJ7FiwLTsGLXxZpbw59BUX75om8bvTHXcF1aWdXMc_To%3Dw16383 [05-Aug-24 06:34 PM] xtc69#0000 https://fio.fnar.net/burnrate [05-Aug-24 06:34 PM] xtc69#0000 i use both to play this game [05-Aug-24 06:35 PM] xtc69#0000 plus planner [06-Aug-24 11:29 AM] hernanduer#0000 it gets to be a little useless after awhile ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [06-Aug-24 11:29 AM] hernanduer#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1270418468495294645/image.png?ex=6814f2e6&is=6813a166&hm=1903f9fd6e3808890d28a914e12ea4dd25f427951f9e4ea23bae41f265938deb& [06-Aug-24 11:30 AM] jvaler#0000 if you click the refresh in the top right it should resize to fit the buffer [06-Aug-24 11:31 AM] jvaler#0000 but i think that doesn't function on firefox iirc [06-Aug-24 11:31 AM] hernanduer#0000 ah yeah, I only use firefox [06-Aug-24 11:34 AM] hernanduer#0000 I find `xit fin_production` to be really useful though, it's sort of prunplanner but with real numbers [06-Aug-24 02:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh I can ship some stuff to either Phobos or to Life [06-Aug-24 02:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 got some conts for one or the other and I figured I could offer my services to someone [07-Aug-24 12:16 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 I saw suggestions to do Manufacturing on Hephaestus. Having just COLIQ, do I just fly to Hephaestus and then create base or is it recommended to start on Phobos first and *later* move over? [07-Aug-24 12:18 PM] evany.#0000 if your going to do manufacturing i'd encourage you to start on deimos [07-Aug-24 12:19 PM] evany.#0000 then get your grant and drop on say heph or nascent or something along those lines. [07-Aug-24 12:20 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 A Demios start is preffered --- not that it's better, just that any open space for your plot, is running out. (It's been at current #s for like a few months, but it could easily disappear at any time). Same goes for Harmonia. [07-Aug-24 12:20 PM] evany.#0000 i'd argue it is better, but opportunity is the same [07-Aug-24 12:21 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I argue the plot #s will get filled out soon..... Since Joshua just Coliq'd, well we could just drop in an easy grant for an additional permit, and get him on Harmonia, if he'll be in ANT, long term? [07-Aug-24 12:22 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Deimos is filled. [07-Aug-24 12:23 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 but not if you're still in the starter screen. [07-Aug-24 12:23 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 Im still in the starter screen ๐Ÿ™‚ [07-Aug-24 12:23 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 And Harmonia is like at 15 open plots, so you have like a month? [07-Aug-24 12:24 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Hephaestus isn't close to getting filled. Manufacturing options in ANT space are rather open, but should you eventually like to diversify, you may lose that opportunity in say ~1 month? Just so that it's out there. [07-Aug-24 12:25 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 Sounds like a plan, then. I'll run a few errands and then start base on Deimos. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Aug-24 12:26 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 Thanks all. [07-Aug-24 12:26 PM] evany.#0000 Deimos is probably best pick in current meta ๐Ÿ™‚ [07-Aug-24 12:28 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 That depends. But #our-meta is ANT, and yes, Deimos is. [07-Aug-24 12:29 PM] marat_sh#0000 Deimos and Harmonia are great no matter what profession is [07-Aug-24 12:59 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Mmm, I'll be doing a product trial, for dope/stupid levels of increased RAT/DW/COF production, to be exported into ANT, with 1-4 weeks. For those who would be interested in running such a thing, poke me in-game. I can give you metrics on the weekend, and a user experience, within like a month, when I start. There is a warning.... it's #expensive. [07-Aug-24 01:00 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'm from Prom, i leik food, and this is all I do y_y [07-Aug-24 01:15 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Go directly to Hephaestus, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars [07-Aug-24 01:15 PM] jcheung#0000 Collect instead 750000 dollars? [07-Aug-24 01:15 PM] riseoffilth#0000 But also, if you are COLIQ ing, restart on promitor or Deimos [07-Aug-24 01:15 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Cause you will never get on those planets otherwise [07-Aug-24 01:15 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Promitor is better [07-Aug-24 01:19 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 I have already established my base on Deimos, 20 some minutes ago [07-Aug-24 01:19 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Well done [07-Aug-24 01:19 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Do you have pro? [07-Aug-24 01:20 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 Indeed {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Aug-24 01:35 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ^ If that one will thoroughly stay, would I ask a little grant, if I may? Get him on Harmonia, if he will do. This of course needs some negotiation, and discussion. ~15 Harm plots are still open to all, lest not some hopefuls be brought to a stall. [07-Aug-24 01:38 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Point being, you have ~15 players to drop on Harm, after they drop on Deimos. After which, you will only be able to convince a COLIQ to drop on only either. [07-Aug-24 01:38 PM] tanda#0000 well, at least we still have Demeter [07-Aug-24 01:38 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 #free-real-estate [07-Aug-24 01:38 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Well yeah, but iirc, Demeter is #out-there? [07-Aug-24 01:40 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'm not going to argue with anyone, but i've done forward-forecasts, and these thing are hard maths. IF you don't negotiate with the new people, to contribute to Harmonia, at whatever is negotiated,... welll someone else will. [07-Aug-24 01:41 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 And since Deimos is beyond entry, for anyone who hasn't dropped their starter plot there, Harmonia is simply next in line. [07-Aug-24 01:42 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 <-- Was very lucky to get on Promitor, and Deimos, and Harmonia... This things just disappear, with universe age x player count. [07-Aug-24 01:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well hasnโ€™t Harmonia had like ~20 available plots for like a few months now? [07-Aug-24 01:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It goes up and down a lot but seems to hover there [07-Aug-24 01:44 PM] evany.#0000 harmonia h as bounced between 10 and 30 plots for like four months yea [07-Aug-24 01:44 PM] evany.#0000 not really worried about it filling up tomorrow [07-Aug-24 01:46 PM] evany.#0000 that said @imjoshuarice please review #agp-information and put your proposal / request in #agp-operations when its done and someone will happily get you [07-Aug-24 01:46 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Tomorrow? Nah; in 3-6 months? Likely. [07-Aug-24 01:49 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 I'll need to figure out what my long-term plans are. Coming from Metallurgy, there's quite a variety of potential outputs. [07-Aug-24 01:50 PM] evany.#0000 yessir there is [07-Aug-24 01:51 PM] evany.#0000 feel free to ask questions here or #associate-planning [07-Aug-24 01:51 PM] evany.#0000 people are happy to help [07-Aug-24 01:51 PM] evany.#0000 if you just search the channel for deimos + prunplanner i'm sure youll see lots of peoples builds too [08-Aug-24 11:50 AM] jcheung#0000 alright guys, i'll check back in 4 years, see you then {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1271148570472480858/image.png?ex=6814f7db&is=6813a65b&hm=b374ffb5ce6e70c255ac8a1af390fdded9c2f9e6da269ecff5d3f0a3b5277c99& [08-Aug-24 11:51 AM] tanda#0000 new base, who dis? [08-Aug-24 11:51 AM] jcheung#0000 literally a one man show {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1271148825611866172/image.png?ex=6814f818&is=6813a698&hm=026e8a0d1caa2cf9718fe7cfab3ab26943cd2da399e3f0872985e0fec8a47bd2& [08-Aug-24 11:51 AM] jcheung#0000 ...or woman [08-Aug-24 11:53 AM] tanda#0000 where's that at? [08-Aug-24 11:57 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-camus-philosophy-gif-27655787 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-camus-philosophy-gif-27655787 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/LEgFkvpCOuA9SIjmIjxnb3dAD_mQCnKSjtat-xjmNh8/https/media.tenor.com/og1PedRYSS4AAAAe/sisyphus-camus.png [08-Aug-24 11:58 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 Clearly if you brought some ALE and the other luxury it would all be done in a jiffy [08-Aug-24 12:15 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1271154914395160616/image0.gif?ex=6814fdc4&is=6813ac44&hm=f5e4b21a51fa000e380091c83bbc827d2f2044758f1788e12254457f206d1b24& [08-Aug-24 12:16 PM] jcheung#0000 On its way, i forgot to pre-ship it like the rest [08-Aug-24 12:19 PM] tanda#0000 oh look it's a picture of me [08-Aug-24 12:19 PM] evany.#0000 welcome to aceland! [08-Aug-24 12:20 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1271156154923483259/image.png?ex=6814feec&is=6813ad6c&hm=3641375777df59a58a8d9645f2477fc8628edd0786f767a9a5f4d5571ca8cd47& [08-Aug-24 12:20 PM] tanda#0000 Thanks! [08-Aug-24 12:21 PM] evany.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/hackerman-break-computer-programming-hacking-gif-7263541 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/hackerman-break-computer-programming-hacking-gif-7263541 Break - Hackerman https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/cfGVJenw95nnLUmu6NbmmiLZXykFgJT-gn5jReH5d_Y/https/media.tenor.com/ReYR-nIvWdMAAAAe/hackerman-break.png [08-Aug-24 12:24 PM] jcheung#0000 it's not aceland ๐Ÿ˜„ [09-Aug-24 12:21 PM] jcheung#0000 oh god i just accidentally tried to print {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1271518679036858418/image.png?ex=6814ff0c&is=6813ad8c&hm=9488c3a263f7ea88a4bf8c24960104a185686339712bf87e502d91728079a97f& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿคฃ [09-Aug-24 12:21 PM] jcheung#0000 it's *white* [09-Aug-24 12:35 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/5Q8jewSPbLcEch1AB1BSchi-Q8OXmpKLNW7pdHzGyAA/https/media.tenor.com/FBsTPQt_59MAAAAe/reaction-my-eyes.png [09-Aug-24 04:40 PM] insulacrisium#0000 Hey, it's good to know that it's possible to play PrUn on paper if ever needed. [09-Aug-24 04:44 PM] igfloz#0000 OMG, Imagine this nonsense as a D&D board game, rofl !! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [09-Aug-24 04:47 PM] jcheung#0000 eh [09-Aug-24 04:47 PM] jcheung#0000 you would need a ream of paper every hour [09-Aug-24 04:47 PM] igfloz#0000 lol, exactly [09-Aug-24 04:47 PM] jcheung#0000 and buckets of the most expensive fluid known to man to go on the paper [09-Aug-24 04:47 PM] jcheung#0000 (ink) [09-Aug-24 04:54 PM] igfloz#0000 I had to google, lol - black printer ink is No.9 on the list of expensive fluids [09-Aug-24 04:59 PM] jcheung#0000 is 1-8 other colors of ink? [09-Aug-24 04:59 PM] razenpok#0000 1 is KOM.AI1 [09-Aug-24 05:00 PM] igfloz#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1271589046950564013/image.png?ex=681497d5&is=68134655&hm=fdc9c3b3ee3ff07bd3bafcdbd5cab83f0500c82d490ab9fb991f9b77ee2e1fa8& [09-Aug-24 05:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 ah yes. I too buy my LSD by the gallon {Reactions} kekw (2) [09-Aug-24 05:01 PM] igfloz#0000 rofl [09-Aug-24 05:01 PM] jcheung#0000 okay. you can't just walk into a store and buy scorpion venom [09-Aug-24 05:02 PM] jcheung#0000 i don't think you can walk in and buy gene therapy materials either [09-Aug-24 05:02 PM] jcheung#0000 and lsd is super difficult to legally obtain [09-Aug-24 05:03 PM] igfloz#0000 I only googled your statement "the most expensive fluid known to man" lol - sorry, I'm not trying to knock you [09-Aug-24 05:03 PM] jcheung#0000 crab blood is also a lab item [09-Aug-24 05:03 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm just giving that list shit [09-Aug-24 05:04 PM] jcheung#0000 because i know there's lab grade materials that cost a lot [09-Aug-24 05:04 PM] jcheung#0000 and if you're including gene therapy stuff, put in some of the really good stuff lol [09-Aug-24 05:05 PM] igfloz#0000 I do find it hilarious that black printer ink is actually more expensive than human blood ! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† ๐Ÿ˜† [09-Aug-24 05:06 PM] igfloz#0000 ....which does kinda lean into your statement [09-Aug-24 05:06 PM] jcheung#0000 time to go buy a quill and a knife! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [09-Aug-24 05:34 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Mmm, black printer ink... That sounds like a complete oligopoly, with DRM-imposed market, and consumer controls -- aka artificial scarcity. Lets see. Other things are limited via patent/monopoly production. And the few other things are literally limited, due to pure production limits, like the horseshoe crab blood, and the venom. [09-Aug-24 05:35 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I feel for the horseshoe crabs though. They're caught, and then brought into collection labs, to be only strapped in, with IV lines stuck into their bodies, for continuous collection. The scene is pretty much something out of that Daybreakers film, which came out some while ago. [09-Aug-24 05:52 PM] jcheung#0000 i feel bad for them [09-Aug-24 05:52 PM] jcheung#0000 but they save so many lives [09-Aug-24 05:52 PM] jcheung#0000 ....now insulin, that makes me mad [09-Aug-24 06:33 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yeah; I think some not-for-profit startup lab, was wanting to re-engineer a generic insulin (since well you know, the chemical process notes kinda disappear along the way), some time ago. I haven't heard anything from it, so I'm guessing they got stomped on, through legals means, or through not getting any funding. [09-Aug-24 06:38 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's also sort-of a Catch-22.... De-profit, a profitable industry (patented insulin manufacturing processes + sales/distribution), and you'll be cutting into the pension/retirement funds, that many, many public sector + well-to-do private sector employees are invested in. An alternative is needed, in that regard. [09-Aug-24 06:44 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Or not. But trying to fight/change some sort of social/financial relationship, that has been established for decades, including the amount of investment that many have hanging on potential outcomes, is a lost battle on paper. [09-Aug-24 06:50 PM] jcheung#0000 Probably tripped and feel down 6 flights of stairs in a two story home [09-Aug-24 07:04 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 #safety-first [09-Aug-24 07:04 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Don't wear socks, when you walk on wooden floors, OK? [09-Aug-24 09:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 If anyone would like to make 30K check https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1257372200391016622/1271656928145047613 ๐Ÿ™‚ [10-Aug-24 12:26 AM] jcheung#0000 anyone know what the offset does in xit repairs? [10-Aug-24 12:26 AM] tanda#0000 it projects repairs out that number of days [10-Aug-24 12:27 AM] jcheung#0000 oh, so it shows it early. got it [10-Aug-24 12:27 AM] tanda#0000 so takes a look at what you need right now to repair, and then projects x days into the future to show that cost [10-Aug-24 01:38 PM] jcheung#0000 I think you can go look at the member list, filter out members and have a list to just run down to assign [10-Aug-24 01:39 PM] jvaler#0000 the new definition will mean i need to check everyone's company ingame to see if they're in antares... lol [10-Aug-24 01:39 PM] jcheung#0000 Oh [10-Aug-24 01:39 PM] jvaler#0000 it'll be easy to keep up with for new players, but going through backlog will be annoying [10-Aug-24 01:40 PM] jcheung#0000 ....does fio api give that info out? XD [10-Aug-24 01:40 PM] jvaler#0000 idk, but i don't know how to code yet to process that data anyways lmao [10-Aug-24 01:40 PM] jvaler#0000 well it won't be everyone, just all associates [10-Aug-24 01:41 PM] jvaler#0000 so... 50 ppl [10-Aug-24 01:41 PM] jvaler#0000 eh that's not too bad [10-Aug-24 01:42 PM] jcheung#0000 Well. Can start with anyone who self roled in ant space ๐Ÿ˜„ [10-Aug-24 01:51 PM] jvaler#0000 oh that's true [10-Aug-24 02:05 PM] igfloz#0000 Thanks, you reminded me to add 2 planets to my roles [10-Aug-24 02:47 PM] jcheung#0000 I need to do that eventually [10-Aug-24 03:22 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Umbridge was *right* {Reactions} ๐Ÿช„ [12-Aug-24 05:20 AM] skyrey#0000 (pinned) ( Flying my ship to start my second base on Nascent ) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1272499978828386335/Screenshot_2024-08-12_at_12.19.15.png?ex=68149c74&is=68134af4&hm=543d5f6f5c286b5efad9a9727eab68249e6ba94841cbd190c19bc3d85599fa50& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ (6) [12-Aug-24 05:52 AM] razenpok#0000 Industrial revolution was a mistake {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘Ž [12-Aug-24 06:08 AM] realharvey#0000 No it's beautiful [12-Aug-24 04:23 PM] jvaler#0000 Pinned a message. [14-Aug-24 12:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 @razenpok the next time you send a ship to elon I would love to send some C with it ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก โœ๏ธ [16-Aug-24 06:39 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1274150635234656266/image.png?ex=6814af00&is=68135d80&hm=24415317470173b688c758fa74989b720d68a53667674c2c9ecd7e47ee079892& [16-Aug-24 06:39 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bT4Ne.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/listen-here-you-little-meme-you-little-shit-damn-you-damn-it-chicken-kiev-gif-25718782 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/3718q-A_Owd1QvzCJ0mKBTruFHXdhoBy88XFiyXyosY/https/media.tenor.com/7rnGZpHc06wAAAAe/listen-here-you-little-meme-you-little-shit.png [17-Aug-24 02:35 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/evanescence-amy-lee-gothic-dark-bring-me-tolife-gif-7183902 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/evanescence-amy-lee-gothic-dark-bring-me-tolife-gif-7183902 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/qPmCmuN8GF0ffJ-ga0yWiRlNY5RDmR49SiBIJLUvIZs/https/media.tenor.com/9iEr9-0d4i0AAAAe/evanescence-amy-lee.png [17-Aug-24 03:09 PM] xtc69#0000 should i be upgrading my base or Permits on this base ? brand new one [17-Aug-24 03:09 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1274460039612203169/image.png?ex=68147da7&is=68132c27&hm=3ebec0a9c3d6c726c2e4ba8d512f9a6d30dcaeb6150fcf8acc0861909b654ecb& [17-Aug-24 03:09 PM] xtc69#0000 or wait couple days to build new planted [17-Aug-24 03:11 PM] tanda#0000 What is your intention with this build on Deimos? [17-Aug-24 03:11 PM] xtc69#0000 to make money and be back up from the 750k i got granted [17-Aug-24 03:11 PM] xtc69#0000 so not losing money lol [17-Aug-24 03:11 PM] xtc69#0000 long term obs to build ships but need to build Food supply i think next [17-Aug-24 03:12 PM] xtc69#0000 my only base i have [17-Aug-24 03:12 PM] tanda#0000 okay, ALO is a pretty safe starter bet, but have you run the numbers on having just enough EXT to feed a planet full of SME? [17-Aug-24 03:12 PM] xtc69#0000 would it be worth to build more permits [17-Aug-24 03:12 PM] xtc69#0000 trying to see how much permits are to [17-Aug-24 03:13 PM] tanda#0000 early HQ levels are pretty cheap, but also they only get you half the space as a new planet [17-Aug-24 03:13 PM] xtc69#0000 was thinking on building new HQ on different planted next might be best investment long term [17-Aug-24 03:13 PM] tanda#0000 a very common early step for people to take is building out Deimos and then securing their carbon production by settling Harmonia and Nascent [17-Aug-24 03:13 PM] xtc69#0000 but i only have 700k [17-Aug-24 03:13 PM] xtc69#0000 what i was thinking [17-Aug-24 03:13 PM] tanda#0000 I would recommend building up Deimos first [17-Aug-24 03:14 PM] xtc69#0000 how far on deimos [17-Aug-24 03:14 PM] xtc69#0000 3 permits [17-Aug-24 03:14 PM] tanda#0000 1 permit, fill out the 500 area, then worry about further expansion [17-Aug-24 03:14 PM] xtc69#0000 yeah about to fill it [17-Aug-24 03:14 PM] xtc69#0000 have 2 more EXT otw {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1274461484545736764/image.png?ex=68147f00&is=68132d80&hm=db5a635d7b5641859cceac3e500f71778b7a7d80a6e3aed20c74ec0f9ebb4140& [17-Aug-24 03:17 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1274462067029446797/image.png?ex=68147f8b&is=68132e0b&hm=f7640248633dd0fa012880a578398259c90e996b1f456bf5fb9b07ea0fcd85e7& [17-Aug-24 03:17 PM] tanda#0000 speaking personally, from my past experiences, I would minimize the number of EXT I had [17-Aug-24 03:18 PM] xtc69#0000 guessing the ALO long term is bad [17-Aug-24 03:18 PM] xtc69#0000 because showing higher profit [17-Aug-24 03:18 PM] tanda#0000 shipping issues are going to start up once you have your second planet [17-Aug-24 03:18 PM] xtc69#0000 aww [17-Aug-24 03:18 PM] tanda#0000 and ALO is better sourced from Nascent than Deimos [17-Aug-24 03:19 PM] tanda#0000 don't get me wrong, Harmonia is dead simple to keep supplied, but it's still going to tie up a ship for one day out of 5 [17-Aug-24 03:19 PM] xtc69#0000 how much are ships atm ? [17-Aug-24 03:19 PM] tanda#0000 4.4-6m for a usable ship [17-Aug-24 03:19 PM] xtc69#0000 damn [17-Aug-24 03:20 PM] xtc69#0000 so my 2 are worth a ton for a long time lol [17-Aug-24 03:20 PM] tanda#0000 upgrades are cheaper, and I do recommend you look into getting a WCB kit upgrade soon (probably in a month or two) [17-Aug-24 03:20 PM] xtc69#0000 not sure what WCB Kit mean [17-Aug-24 03:20 PM] marat_sh#0000 3000t/1000m3 cargo [17-Aug-24 03:20 PM] marat_sh#0000 for starter ship [17-Aug-24 03:20 PM] marat_sh#0000 just chaging the cargo type [17-Aug-24 03:21 PM] xtc69#0000 i see they are 650k [17-Aug-24 03:21 PM] xtc69#0000 roughly [17-Aug-24 03:21 PM] tanda#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1202257500213366804 [17-Aug-24 03:21 PM] tanda#0000 around about there [17-Aug-24 03:21 PM] tanda#0000 but that's like step 4 [17-Aug-24 03:21 PM] tanda#0000 you need to create the shipping issues before you solve them [17-Aug-24 03:22 PM] marat_sh#0000 I would say you can burn a bit more fuel before you need to make an upgrade [17-Aug-24 03:22 PM] marat_sh#0000 I used to do 1 trip per 2 days. now it's 2 trips per day [17-Aug-24 03:24 PM] xtc69#0000 aww yeah i do roughly that right now [17-Aug-24 03:24 PM] xtc69#0000 aww okay i see [17-Aug-24 03:24 PM] xtc69#0000 seems like one ship just seats and does nothing atm [17-Aug-24 03:24 PM] tanda#0000 AL is easier to ship than ALO. It's why I recommend keeping the number of EXTs you have to a minimum [17-Aug-24 03:24 PM] xtc69#0000 yeah i forgot about the weight issue [17-Aug-24 03:24 PM] tanda#0000 then when you get your Nascent base, you can put them there to feed your Deimos base [17-Aug-24 04:06 PM] igfloz#0000 you need to think about this with ANY storage you have, Warehouse, STO or ship. I have fallen foul of not having space for my extractor output lol [17-Aug-24 04:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 My storage for HAL frequently fills up [17-Aug-24 04:08 PM] igfloz#0000 lol, should we be surprised ? [17-Aug-24 04:08 PM] igfloz#0000 #1 yet ? [17-Aug-24 04:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I was for a whole month [17-Aug-24 04:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Then some guy started making 100/d more than me [17-Aug-24 04:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Which is ridiculous since I make 860/d [17-Aug-24 04:11 PM] tanda#0000 probably just has 3 permits on 2 planets instead of 3 permits on one planet [17-Aug-24 04:52 PM] realharvey#0000 Maybe HQ Bonus? [17-Aug-24 05:37 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 I'm planning a small project to create myself an e-paper display that can sit on my desk at work. What 'screens' would you consider to be most important to have? I haven't done any planning of screen layouts yet, just beginning to brainstorm. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1274497268665552897/PRUNpaper-mockup.png?ex=6814a053&is=68134ed3&hm=0fda1c0eda11e667199fb6807324873eebe741abff91cd7f9063142a011dbae5& [17-Aug-24 05:37 PM] tanda#0000 ship travel times and red Burn notices {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [17-Aug-24 05:38 PM] sidepipe#0000 And your cash balances ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [17-Aug-24 05:39 PM] sidepipe#0000 That way you remember what youโ€™re doing all this for ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [17-Aug-24 05:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Include time and date? [17-Aug-24 05:41 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 Depending on space I'm thinking at the top left I may include the date and some forecast information, at least on whatever the 'main' screen becomes ๐Ÿ‘ [17-Aug-24 05:42 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1274498647530147923/image.png?ex=6814a19c&is=6813501c&hm=fcd6791bdcf37c35383de1731839e243661d4c894477d777b6b665bed04e09fc& [17-Aug-24 05:42 PM] tanda#0000 This is my home screen. I don't know if it's perfect, but at a glance it tells me everything I really need to know {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [17-Aug-24 05:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m sorry that was a half complete thought time and date on last FIO update [17-Aug-24 05:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 That way you can know if it updated today or yesterday or a week ago [17-Aug-24 05:44 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 Ah right, yeah that's going to show at the bottom right (for now) [17-Aug-24 05:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I just wanted to make sure since it only had time last updated and not the date on your diagram [17-Aug-24 07:26 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I do 1) **FLT + LMOS** on the first; 2) **CXOS + CONTS** on the second; 3) **FIN + FINLA + FINBS + FINIS + FXOS** on the third/fourth. You can have your WF burn inventories on any other ones, but I usually include them on my base screens, and idk if you'll be able to fit everything on what you've got going --- those are best done in-game imo. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [17-Aug-24 07:28 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 There's also APEX mobile, that you can buffer on your phone, but you'll have to set it up, since it's a different instance from what you've got going on the browser. Useful for some things, like the WR workforce inventories/burn, but for others it's just tiresome. [19-Aug-24 12:40 PM] jcheung#0000 phew. getting first WCB online is a massive boost to shipping {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (5) ๐ŸŽ‰ (5) [19-Aug-24 12:56 PM] realharvey#0000 congratulations [19-Aug-24 01:41 PM] ohs_#0000 Hey fellas! Thinking about getting back into the game and seems like my corp has gotten wiped so I will probably be moving my starting point to Antares, is there any starting point which is recommended for the area? Anything I should expand into that is needed for the market? [19-Aug-24 01:43 PM] sidepipe#0000 Farming + Rations on Harmonia is an easy start, and RATs are selling a fair bit higher than they usually do right now, so that's an option to consider ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Aug-24 01:44 PM] sidepipe#0000 I haven't kept up with the other options, but others can weigh in on those [19-Aug-24 01:45 PM] marat_sh#0000 Deimos has 0 available plots, so if you wanna start fresh it's nice to have a base on that planet for future [19-Aug-24 01:46 PM] marat_sh#0000 Deimos is a Metallurgy planet if you are interested in that category [19-Aug-24 01:48 PM] jcheung#0000 i suspect AL refining will die down a little here soonโ„ข๏ธ [19-Aug-24 01:51 PM] flor2081#0000 its actually really good to start on promitor and expand into antares [19-Aug-24 01:54 PM] flor2081#0000 its considered the best starting planet [19-Aug-24 02:00 PM] marat_sh#0000 base outside of Antares? Heresy [19-Aug-24 02:01 PM] marat_sh#0000 jokes aside... Yeah promitor is an amazing planet [19-Aug-24 02:02 PM] flor2081#0000 you'd be moving into antares after starting on prom, so that'd be even better because you're betraying IC [19-Aug-24 02:02 PM] flor2081#0000 ..does that convince y'all antares lovers? ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Aug-24 02:03 PM] igfloz#0000 3 cheers for betrayal !! hip hip ? [19-Aug-24 02:05 PM] ohs_#0000 Might try this out [19-Aug-24 02:06 PM] marat_sh#0000 I am not a metallurgist so you might want to ask some people around here some advice [19-Aug-24 02:06 PM] marat_sh#0000 Like EXT to SME ratio [19-Aug-24 02:07 PM] archielvahr#0000 I will run some math at some point, but I'd be surprised if Prom was really that great. I mean if you're gonna run an all FRM planet, it's the best of those... but I don't think that means it's automatically your best first planet [19-Aug-24 02:08 PM] marat_sh#0000 ^ Not really amazing for starting but in general very good planet [19-Aug-24 02:08 PM] flor2081#0000 i mean, if you're doing farming/FP it's the best out of all starter planets [19-Aug-24 02:08 PM] flor2081#0000 like higher ferility than harmonia for example, and its really close to the cx [19-Aug-24 02:09 PM] marat_sh#0000 any future plans on expanding plots on planets in the future? [19-Aug-24 02:23 PM] realharvey#0000 Prom Avalon and Helion. Super good planet combo for a farming start. Right next to the CX. Pretty much unbeatable [19-Aug-24 03:20 PM] laaxus#0000 quick question [19-Aug-24 03:21 PM] jcheung#0000 slow answer [19-Aug-24 03:21 PM] laaxus#0000 is coffee and pwo worth it ? [19-Aug-24 03:21 PM] jcheung#0000 usually, yes [19-Aug-24 03:21 PM] jcheung#0000 when first starting out though, it's hard to say [19-Aug-24 03:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Not just usually always [19-Aug-24 03:21 PM] jcheung#0000 well, i say usually because of cashflow constraints [19-Aug-24 03:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Even when starting out [19-Aug-24 03:22 PM] laaxus#0000 so I must always make sure that my workers have everything and never runs out [19-Aug-24 03:22 PM] laaxus#0000 ok [19-Aug-24 03:22 PM] flor2081#0000 yeah there's 2 sides to that, but basically: always worth it unless you're reaaly trying to minmax [19-Aug-24 03:22 PM] flor2081#0000 always just go for the highest efficiency, so following the CoGC, max experts, etc [19-Aug-24 03:22 PM] laaxus#0000 trying too hard to minmax does not last Most efficient while being lazy is the way to go [19-Aug-24 03:23 PM] razenpok#0000 Wait, for minmaxing it's also always worth it [19-Aug-24 03:23 PM] flor2081#0000 yeah you can argue that the money you use to buy the COF/PWO can be put into building more buildings earlier [19-Aug-24 03:23 PM] flor2081#0000 but its kinda difficult to really prove that with numbers [19-Aug-24 03:23 PM] jcheung#0000 imo it's worth it unless you just simply don't have the funds to stock it.... plus it's not worth it to me to make a CX run for one consumable if my ship will be nearly empty for both legs [19-Aug-24 03:23 PM] jcheung#0000 but if you have to choose between consumables and feeding your factories, feedstock 100% is a better choice [19-Aug-24 03:24 PM] jcheung#0000 feedstock plus rat and dw are bare minimums [19-Aug-24 03:25 PM] razenpok#0000 Well, not buying lux goods in the beginning means you will be able to buy more stuff to stock up your base => less ship travels [19-Aug-24 03:25 PM] jcheung#0000 that's what i was trying to get at [19-Aug-24 03:25 PM] razenpok#0000 Ye [19-Aug-24 03:25 PM] flor2081#0000 but you can also buy building mats earlier and thus grow quicker [19-Aug-24 03:25 PM] jcheung#0000 financially constrained at the start [19-Aug-24 03:25 PM] flor2081#0000 which is the argument i meant [19-Aug-24 03:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But youโ€™ll make more money bc youโ€™ll be more efficient [19-Aug-24 03:26 PM] flor2081#0000 but i'm not a fan of that, just buy cof and pwo ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Aug-24 03:26 PM] jcheung#0000 that's debatable [19-Aug-24 03:26 PM] flor2081#0000 new building is better than that 20%, or so i've been told, i havent seen anyone that actually did the numbers [19-Aug-24 03:26 PM] flor2081#0000 lemme see if i can find earlier arguments of this [19-Aug-24 03:26 PM] razenpok#0000 But you'll need to make more trips to cx and spend money on fuel [19-Aug-24 03:26 PM] jcheung#0000 you'll be forced to run ships at lower fill to CX because if you don't, you won't have feedstock [19-Aug-24 03:27 PM] razenpok#0000 @laaxus what have you done [19-Aug-24 03:27 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bDlQb.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-hasbik-cute-meme-influencer-gif-21732737 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/6BOB7ZmyycyHBDuY5oHTapX95oRvPimsW2WUPX08Nwk/https/media.tenor.com/2co4feAipsYAAAAe/hasbulla-hasbik.png [19-Aug-24 03:27 PM] razenpok#0000 It will be an endless argument here [19-Aug-24 03:27 PM] igfloz#0000 it's circle time, come on everyone, run around endlessly ! [19-Aug-24 03:27 PM] laaxus#0000 guys how is this not have been calculated and have been solved before [19-Aug-24 03:27 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/Hglg.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/panic-spongebob-patrick-scared-running-gif-7888576 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/qrEw8IGFgWvgCk4atDv2JAQtulmNGXVUpVphdQBsu3c/https/media.tenor.com/BuLYLiqxy1cAAAAe/panic-spongebob.png [19-Aug-24 03:27 PM] laaxus#0000 this is the first question I asked myself after watching the third tutorial video [19-Aug-24 03:28 PM] razenpok#0000 It's basically a couple first weeks in the game when it matters [19-Aug-24 03:28 PM] jcheung#0000 because each situation is different, and differing market conditions for fuel change the calculations [19-Aug-24 03:28 PM] realharvey#0000 its complicated because you have to factor a lot of stuff into it. Flight times, convinience etc. [19-Aug-24 03:28 PM] laaxus#0000 true [19-Aug-24 03:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well imo youโ€™re probably gonna get a grant so money doesnโ€™t really become a problem [19-Aug-24 03:28 PM] laaxus#0000 i'll change the topic [19-Aug-24 03:28 PM] realharvey#0000 and no one is really deep enough in the early game to figure it out [19-Aug-24 03:28 PM] jcheung#0000 variables include, but are not limited to, cost of fuel, cost of feedstock, cost of consumables, cash on hand, distance to CX [19-Aug-24 03:28 PM] laaxus#0000 how does efficiency work ? They produce faster or they produce more ? [19-Aug-24 03:29 PM] realharvey#0000 and after early game you always get all luxury consumables anyway. [19-Aug-24 03:29 PM] jcheung#0000 faster [19-Aug-24 03:29 PM] realharvey#0000 Thats probably why no one did the math [19-Aug-24 03:29 PM] laaxus#0000 then it's definitly not worth it [19-Aug-24 03:29 PM] laaxus#0000 until the ship is full {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [19-Aug-24 03:29 PM] laaxus#0000 imo [19-Aug-24 03:29 PM] jcheung#0000 maybe not *full* but at least 40% utilization imo [19-Aug-24 03:30 PM] razenpok#0000 And I think it was *maybe* also relevant in the early days of the universe [19-Aug-24 03:30 PM] flor2081#0000 well usually people do the math, others point out that the math is wrong, everyone gets mad and everyone gives up ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Aug-24 03:30 PM] jcheung#0000 also if you jam the sliders far to the left you can be more fuel efficient, but slower. if you need to go even slower, take some gas out of your tank [19-Aug-24 03:30 PM] realharvey#0000 I wouldnt go with full or not full. Just like once every 7 days head to the CX at min speed and buy some new buldings and consumables [19-Aug-24 03:30 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/xDNW.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/south-park-mob-rabble-gif-5595486 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/nUr-Vp09KEYoNLDygSt5oupVRKQr3KymDHuDCfZwO8Q/https/media.tenor.com/rzi8FRXDlRkAAAAe/south-park-mob.png [19-Aug-24 03:31 PM] laaxus#0000 oh, wait the fuel in the ship increase weight ? [19-Aug-24 03:31 PM] jcheung#0000 no [19-Aug-24 03:31 PM] laaxus#0000 is it significant ? [19-Aug-24 03:31 PM] laaxus#0000 ok [19-Aug-24 03:31 PM] razenpok#0000 yes [19-Aug-24 03:31 PM] razenpok#0000 no [19-Aug-24 03:31 PM] razenpok#0000 Ship itself weighs a lot [19-Aug-24 03:31 PM] jcheung#0000 the engine in a starter is powerful enough that a full ship isn't limited by weight [19-Aug-24 03:31 PM] realharvey#0000 its a rounding error at most {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [19-Aug-24 03:31 PM] jcheung#0000 but the travel slider is based on how much fuel you have in the tank [19-Aug-24 03:32 PM] jcheung#0000 if you have 100 units of fuel, STL slider far right is 100 units, far left is minimum it will let you... [19-Aug-24 03:32 PM] jcheung#0000 if you have 1000 units, far right is 1000 units [19-Aug-24 03:32 PM] razenpok#0000 Yes, that's correct [19-Aug-24 03:32 PM] jcheung#0000 but far left will be higher than the minimums at 100 [19-Aug-24 03:33 PM] realharvey#0000 TLDR: just tank you ship full and put the slider to minimum {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [19-Aug-24 03:33 PM] jcheung#0000 well [19-Aug-24 03:34 PM] jcheung#0000 what i'm trying to say is if it arrives at 4AM and you wake up at 8AM you can take some fuel out and arrive at 7:30 [19-Aug-24 03:34 PM] razenpok#0000 Or two or three (or four even) ticks away from the minimum. It will slice travel time by a lot, while not adding much to fuel consumption [19-Aug-24 03:35 PM] realharvey#0000 while this is true. At the beginnung you have 2 idle ships. So just run them on absolute minimum [19-Aug-24 03:35 PM] razenpok#0000 Fair [19-Aug-24 03:35 PM] razenpok#0000 ~~slower flight means more ship damage and repair costs~~ [19-Aug-24 03:36 PM] laaxus#0000 absolute minimum seems also to increase dmg {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐ŸŽ‰ ๐Ÿš€ maxwell blobthink actualchadthink blobwave [19-Aug-24 03:36 PM] laaxus#0000 vs 1 tick [19-Aug-24 03:36 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah, gonna have to sacrifice long term for short term [19-Aug-24 03:36 PM] jcheung#0000 another thing you can do, which may come back to bite you [19-Aug-24 03:36 PM] realharvey#0000 looking at my flleet: I havent repaired anything yet. lol [19-Aug-24 03:36 PM] jcheung#0000 you can sell some of the fuel you get from the tutorial contracts [19-Aug-24 03:37 PM] jcheung#0000 SF and FF are pegged basically to max [19-Aug-24 03:37 PM] realharvey#0000 not really noticing any difference {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275192017323823114/image.png?ex=6814845c&is=681332dc&hm=8b922bb2a3bcbbe60684883d3dd82609051cb0d5db4f3530020bba28ceee5f4d& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’€ [19-Aug-24 03:38 PM] jcheung#0000 so if you list them for 15.9 you can net a bit of starting funds [19-Aug-24 03:38 PM] razenpok#0000 I remember doing that in the very beginning lmao [19-Aug-24 03:38 PM] razenpok#0000 Very stressful times [19-Aug-24 03:38 PM] jcheung#0000 i sold a tiny bit too much fuel [19-Aug-24 03:38 PM] jcheung#0000 came back to bite me a week later [19-Aug-24 03:39 PM] jcheung#0000 could have solved it by listing a buy order sooner [19-Aug-24 03:39 PM] laaxus#0000 I think I'll go with one tick Going from 60 to 71, and 1d8h to 12h, seems ok {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ chefskiss [19-Aug-24 03:39 PM] jcheung#0000 also [19-Aug-24 03:39 PM] laaxus#0000 I don't want to wait 3 days for one trip [19-Aug-24 03:39 PM] jcheung#0000 note that sometimes using more fuel is less efficient [19-Aug-24 03:40 PM] realharvey#0000 there is also usually 2 ways the ship can fly. You could get 2 different results with the same fuel slider setting [19-Aug-24 03:40 PM] laaxus#0000 yes, no point for the ship to spend fuel if it goes faster than the production [19-Aug-24 03:40 PM] jcheung#0000 sometimes i'll add a tick or two and the time will increase 4 hours instead of going down [19-Aug-24 03:40 PM] jcheung#0000 not what i'm talking about, but that's another good point [19-Aug-24 03:40 PM] laaxus#0000 ideally, the ship should be moving constantly [19-Aug-24 03:40 PM] laaxus#0000 at the rythm of production [19-Aug-24 03:40 PM] realharvey#0000 no it should not. At the beginning you would be wasting fuel with this way of thinking [19-Aug-24 03:40 PM] laaxus#0000 basically doing jit [19-Aug-24 03:41 PM] realharvey#0000 ah okay with this yes [19-Aug-24 03:41 PM] tanda#0000 Ideally for the ship, but not for you. Even later you don't want that level of micromanagement [19-Aug-24 03:41 PM] laaxus#0000 it's not like I have many things to do [19-Aug-24 03:42 PM] flor2081#0000 i have 15 ships, 4 of those are moving (: [19-Aug-24 03:42 PM] jcheung#0000 basically if you open your system map while doing STL planning you see the ship track. it'll look something like... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275193103128596492/image.png?ex=6814855f&is=681333df&hm=48b185289bff51eb108380f2ce47f0a6fb54cd0748ab846e52fbd17693677a4a& [19-Aug-24 03:42 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm basically afk for the next 24h [19-Aug-24 03:42 PM] laaxus#0000 ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [19-Aug-24 03:42 PM] jcheung#0000 if you tick up enough, it may flip to the other side of the star {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275193179112603800/image.png?ex=68148571&is=681333f1&hm=8319f89f71ed5a9fe8d2573f629bbea68dcd87afa290988c1c98f3b26d9e6447& [19-Aug-24 03:42 PM] jcheung#0000 when if flips, it'll add some time to your travel [19-Aug-24 03:43 PM] laaxus#0000 just checked, the fuel weight 100T when full [19-Aug-24 03:43 PM] realharvey#0000 this can maybe change a travel from 24hours + to 8 hours in some cases lol [19-Aug-24 03:44 PM] jcheung#0000 then, what harvey mentions here, if you just click the slider repeatedly without moving it anywhere, eventually you'll see two different times... STL it's usually not worth it, because the fuel cost also goes up a bunch, but FTL this can cut hours off your travel for 1-20 units more fuel [19-Aug-24 03:44 PM] laaxus#0000 so the fuel is between 7% and 11% of the total weight, depending on cargo [19-Aug-24 03:44 PM] jcheung#0000 don't worry about fuel weight in a starter ship [19-Aug-24 03:45 PM] jcheung#0000 the engines don't care about load % in a starter-they're G limited [19-Aug-24 03:45 PM] realharvey#0000 don't worry about fuel weight ~~in a starter ship~~ [19-Aug-24 03:45 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm just doing math for the sake of it, I have nothing to do :kekw: [19-Aug-24 03:45 PM] laaxus#0000 you don't have kek ??? [19-Aug-24 03:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Nope [19-Aug-24 03:45 PM] realharvey#0000 its okay to min max for the fun of it at the start [19-Aug-24 03:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 :kekW: [19-Aug-24 03:46 PM] laaxus#0000 well It ok, I'm gonna buy nitro anyway when I'll get paid [19-Aug-24 03:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 :Pepe_Kek: [19-Aug-24 03:46 PM] realharvey#0000 but later on... you just look at: When does my ship arrive and see if its within a time you are online. If not you adjust the fuel until it fits in a good window [19-Aug-24 03:47 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275194407666323598/image.png?ex=68148696&is=68133516&hm=fddb4df41d7ca5c34ebd85320a67aede202dd1a239ba5eb8e7feb52546d2f96c& [19-Aug-24 03:47 PM] laaxus#0000 If I play the game like I think I'll play it, I'll be online basically 12h a day [19-Aug-24 03:47 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/empty-tank-meter-gas-gif-9609596 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/empty-tank-meter-gas-gif-9609596 out of gas https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Pu_kpYJtxPkB__39PUuRHul16Q3bPJIsYX1QDXTB2Eo/https/media.tenor.com/3yyytNGYC7cAAAAe/empty-tank.png [19-Aug-24 03:47 PM] laaxus#0000 but yeah, no point using fuel if the ship arrive when i'm asleep {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [19-Aug-24 03:48 PM] realharvey#0000 what is this supposed to tell me? An empty fuel tank gives me anxiety [19-Aug-24 03:48 PM] realharvey#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275194827629133926/image.png?ex=681486fa&is=6813357a&hm=458dc8d688077c3359b631230e7e2b1b784126857dd5ec2612ec76a537aaa96f& [19-Aug-24 03:48 PM] marat_sh#0000 running on fumes [19-Aug-24 03:49 PM] laaxus#0000 what happens if a ship run out of fuel in the middle of nowhere ? [19-Aug-24 03:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Then no go from middle of no where [19-Aug-24 03:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You can only go as far as you have fuel [19-Aug-24 03:49 PM] realharvey#0000 if its landed on a planet you could try to trade for fuel there. If you are not landed. You are stuck and will need to reach out to a dev to safe you [19-Aug-24 03:50 PM] marat_sh#0000 I take fuel for a whole trip (there and back) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’€ [19-Aug-24 03:50 PM] laaxus#0000 emergency fuel station, only 10 times the price [19-Aug-24 03:50 PM] realharvey#0000 too much micromanagement [19-Aug-24 03:50 PM] jcheung#0000 my ships have looked like that first one for the last 3 weeks, just gassed them up finally today [19-Aug-24 03:51 PM] laaxus#0000 ok, another more open question What kind of production is lacking in the current antares market ? [19-Aug-24 03:51 PM] jcheung#0000 RATs? [19-Aug-24 03:51 PM] jcheung#0000 i think AL is slowly coming down [19-Aug-24 03:51 PM] jcheung#0000 MCG is still pretty okay [19-Aug-24 03:52 PM] jcheung#0000 C.... hmmm [19-Aug-24 03:52 PM] jcheung#0000 C is still pretty high [19-Aug-24 03:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 What ever you want [19-Aug-24 03:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Do what is fun to you [19-Aug-24 03:52 PM] marat_sh#0000 I think everything is pretty profitable right now [19-Aug-24 03:53 PM] flor2081#0000 (: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275195864695963708/image.png?ex=681487f2&is=68133672&hm=ac5a6724f3dcf0fc629efea03a607b6a24baacbfa0cea7105891fcc9b655324a& [19-Aug-24 03:53 PM] laaxus#0000 Oh I was not planning to adapt for now [19-Aug-24 03:53 PM] laaxus#0000 was just wondering [19-Aug-24 03:53 PM] laaxus#0000 usually, when something is not produced enough to meet market demand, it's because there's a reason [19-Aug-24 03:53 PM] laaxus#0000 and that would have been interesting [19-Aug-24 03:53 PM] realharvey#0000 You make me mad. But I like you. So I try to live with it [19-Aug-24 03:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Bc not enough people make it [19-Aug-24 03:54 PM] marat_sh#0000 I like names lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Aug-24 03:54 PM] razenpok#0000 I think whatever you are capable of producing right now is being produced in adequate quantities [19-Aug-24 03:54 PM] jcheung#0000 lately i think it's been because people have been chasing other profitable things and ignoring staples [19-Aug-24 03:54 PM] flor2081#0000 i dont have enough ships so I bought the bottom 2 a couple of days ago, and i've got another one ready to be built right now [19-Aug-24 03:54 PM] jcheung#0000 which means once stockpiles run out people start buying things up [19-Aug-24 03:55 PM] jcheung#0000 which is why :RAT: is rocketing up [19-Aug-24 03:55 PM] laaxus#0000 Ok another question, how does the game handle the infinite inflation issue ? [19-Aug-24 03:55 PM] realharvey#0000 so you made my ships with rise take so long [19-Aug-24 03:55 PM] laaxus#0000 what are the money sinks [19-Aug-24 03:55 PM] flor2081#0000 no i bought in gtu, slightly cheaper than rise, and faster (: [19-Aug-24 03:55 PM] jcheung#0000 planets [19-Aug-24 03:55 PM] laaxus#0000 outside of fuel consumptions [19-Aug-24 03:55 PM] jcheung#0000 planets need upkeep [19-Aug-24 03:55 PM] realharvey#0000 ah the guy with extreme long queue times? [19-Aug-24 03:55 PM] jcheung#0000 it's not enough to fully control inflation though [19-Aug-24 03:55 PM] jcheung#0000 when there are literal money printers [19-Aug-24 03:55 PM] razenpok#0000 Ooh, that's a great question [19-Aug-24 03:55 PM] flor2081#0000 nono, gtu has a shipbuilding team aswell [19-Aug-24 03:56 PM] flor2081#0000 lemme find it [19-Aug-24 03:56 PM] razenpok#0000 Pop upkeep, fuel consumption, repairs, etc. are *not* a money sink [19-Aug-24 03:56 PM] flor2081#0000 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n3IuCfAuEOFcHc18Fw-9CeGJADU01IKZqwsdMdEvmlM/edit?pli=1#gid=378846437 {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n3IuCfAuEOFcHc18Fw-9CeGJADU01IKZqwsdMdEvmlM/edit?pli=1 Customer order list https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/FYZ5mj9bB4hSYNtpXs_ALmC42_wjTDyo7--9D2_qP4A/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyKZFZYJr5adeWGl50f7TNT9LEyngBwzGshMf9BVdKyzQOGIr9oWJJ8lytMBHqxmPNlId9gUjlrb3TKUhLxo40fsf85Q35ddrheIS3yK18HelVAVzkGK%3Dw1200-h630-p [19-Aug-24 03:56 PM] razenpok#0000 They are a resource sink, since the amount of money doesn't change in the system [19-Aug-24 03:56 PM] laaxus#0000 Following this chart, it seems like the prices are going up, which seems surprising when economies and industries are developing {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275196839242629160/image.png?ex=681488da&is=6813375a&hm=c02eb3dda6c9c7b69759515792ec0de34a028b93a5b08c69f6eee8f840773f77& [19-Aug-24 03:57 PM] flor2081#0000 and in the first page are the google docs [19-Aug-24 03:57 PM] razenpok#0000 Market makers are the money sink [19-Aug-24 03:57 PM] flor2081#0000 no [19-Aug-24 03:57 PM] flor2081#0000 HQ are the more sinks [19-Aug-24 03:57 PM] flor2081#0000 market makers are the opposite, they give more money than they take away, i believe (look at IDC/EDC) [19-Aug-24 03:57 PM] razenpok#0000 Also no [19-Aug-24 03:57 PM] jcheung#0000 this directly contributes to money not entering the system [19-Aug-24 03:57 PM] razenpok#0000 HQs are a resource sink as well [19-Aug-24 03:58 PM] jcheung#0000 resource sinks ARE money sinks [19-Aug-24 03:58 PM] flor2081#0000 oh [19-Aug-24 03:58 PM] flor2081#0000 yea [19-Aug-24 03:58 PM] laaxus#0000 no [19-Aug-24 03:58 PM] razenpok#0000 https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/P7YrPdGmqacj6M9Bk8ZbEue4o89TFvwCHzUxrarqGa4/https/media.tenor.com/cJRcMyUAiMcAAAAe/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit.png [19-Aug-24 03:59 PM] razenpok#0000 Okay, for the meme bingo we need a "what I make myself is free" conversation [19-Aug-24 03:59 PM] laaxus#0000 imagine the following scenario : I create a new account I buy ressources on the market I give it to the planet The planet absorbed ressources, but the amount of money in the economy increased [19-Aug-24 03:59 PM] flor2081#0000 yeah i guess you're right [19-Aug-24 03:59 PM] flor2081#0000 but [19-Aug-24 03:59 PM] flor2081#0000 MM's are no money sink either [19-Aug-24 03:59 PM] flor2081#0000 well, not in total anyways [19-Aug-24 03:59 PM] jcheung#0000 now, trace the material back to the source [19-Aug-24 03:59 PM] flor2081#0000 they inject way more than they take away, with IDC/EDC [19-Aug-24 04:00 PM] jcheung#0000 at each production stage, you lose fuel for transport, taxes, workforce consumables [19-Aug-24 04:00 PM] razenpok#0000 https://discord.com/channels/350171287785701388/350171288267915277/1251943577144004689 Here, I also had this exact question and got an answer [19-Aug-24 04:00 PM] jcheung#0000 granted the taxes is lateral movement [19-Aug-24 04:01 PM] jcheung#0000 anyways. to control inflation all the devs have to do is just tweak the MMs of the money printers [19-Aug-24 04:02 PM] laaxus#0000 thanks [19-Aug-24 04:02 PM] realharvey#0000 we get regular economic reports. Currently there is no real inflation hitting us [19-Aug-24 04:02 PM] realharvey#0000 there is also a lot of money disappearing with people quitting [19-Aug-24 04:03 PM] razenpok#0000 Interestingly, the money supply in the game is relatively stable [19-Aug-24 04:03 PM] laaxus#0000 What would explain this curve ? Player activity ? [19-Aug-24 04:03 PM] jcheung#0000 oh, also FX trades also sinks a little money {Reactions} ๐Ÿค [19-Aug-24 04:03 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275198460555038740/image.png?ex=68148a5d&is=681338dd&hm=d453f6ba4a0ab831296a0fa63e9ef4a7c825c035e6f6cd31d1bf2080f59bec45& [19-Aug-24 04:03 PM] jcheung#0000 ...if only FX trades weren't so easily bypassed by conts {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [19-Aug-24 04:03 PM] flor2081#0000 i feel like every week there's at least one major person quitting without handing off their assets [19-Aug-24 04:04 PM] flor2081#0000 also, the only real money sink i can think of is that building [19-Aug-24 04:04 PM] flor2081#0000 uh [19-Aug-24 04:04 PM] flor2081#0000 apex representation center [19-Aug-24 04:04 PM] laaxus#0000 maybe the only money sink are players quitting [19-Aug-24 04:04 PM] flor2081#0000 type in `ARC` in a buffer and you'll see [19-Aug-24 04:04 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/kekw-twitch-twitchtv-twitch-emote-kek-gif-19085736 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/kekw-twitch-twitchtv-twitch-emote-kek-gif-19085736 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ycvuTkspzcdOCx995vZ8S9nLDjiMs7KmgOwtk54UZqQ/https/media.tenor.com/FpbWqUpKsacAAAAe/kekw-twitch.png [19-Aug-24 04:05 PM] razenpok#0000 Look no further, BSE MM {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275198943386406965/image.png?ex=68148ad0&is=68133950&hm=2c1ca014277f2d35ed0029d3665322b6b4e1a3caf260fad90fd3b7a92f116247& [19-Aug-24 04:05 PM] razenpok#0000 Why else do you think it bullies the market [19-Aug-24 04:05 PM] flor2081#0000 that price goes up like exponentially {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275199033165484093/image.png?ex=68148ae5&is=68133965&hm=2f6c2bc08ff307f5009824ad91dfdd0eb8c5202a383c0ac9858a095b6f7e8ba4& {Reactions} concern [19-Aug-24 04:05 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Another sink is big players improving their HQ. At level 25+ a single HQ lvl is the output of many many small players [19-Aug-24 04:05 PM] flor2081#0000 level 60 is absolutely insane [19-Aug-24 04:06 PM] flor2081#0000 apparently thats not a money sink but a resource sink [19-Aug-24 04:06 PM] flor2081#0000 i'm too tired to even try to understand this right now lmao [19-Aug-24 04:06 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Ends up the same no? [19-Aug-24 04:06 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 In my Finis itโ€™s a loss [19-Aug-24 04:06 PM] flor2081#0000 considering no money leaves the system, prob not {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [19-Aug-24 04:06 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 I guess [19-Aug-24 04:06 PM] flor2081#0000 you lose money, but the system doesnt [19-Aug-24 04:06 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Yeah that makes sense [19-Aug-24 04:06 PM] realharvey#0000 whatever prun is doing. The amount of currency apparently stays the same. So no marketmaker or money printers really have a bad influence on inflation [19-Aug-24 04:07 PM] laaxus#0000 Last question before I go to sleep, what drives this curve ? player activity ? [19-Aug-24 04:07 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 I think they tweak the cost of EDC/IDC with that in mind [19-Aug-24 04:07 PM] razenpok#0000 greed [19-Aug-24 04:07 PM] flor2081#0000 just supply and demand i guess? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [19-Aug-24 04:08 PM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275199631181090908/image.png?ex=68148b74&is=681339f4&hm=de8786b49d3809281f68d0adcb60fb57084a9502fca347e3e588e4f65100bd91& [19-Aug-24 04:08 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Also, higher end stuff is more profitable. So as players mature they consume more and more and produce less and less [19-Aug-24 04:08 PM] flor2081#0000 yupp [19-Aug-24 04:08 PM] laaxus#0000 fair enough [19-Aug-24 04:08 PM] realharvey#0000 and basic market manipulation stuff [19-Aug-24 04:08 PM] realharvey#0000 some times people with to much money think: What if I just bough up all these tasty RAT stock? [19-Aug-24 04:08 PM] jcheung#0000 E-Peen? [19-Aug-24 04:09 PM] laaxus#0000 is there a roadmap ? what are the future expected changes ? [19-Aug-24 04:09 PM] tanda#0000 Market manipulation? That's my favorite! [19-Aug-24 04:09 PM] flor2081#0000 damn {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275199947158978725/image.png?ex=68148bbf&is=68133a3f&hm=3eb5ec0912d31744baa48e41585edce2395f7fe439f38fa576557ff813123501& [19-Aug-24 04:09 PM] laaxus#0000 wdym stock [19-Aug-24 04:09 PM] flor2081#0000 i think i misplaced like 100m suddenly wth [19-Aug-24 04:09 PM] laaxus#0000 there's a stock market ? [19-Aug-24 04:09 PM] flor2081#0000 no, stock as in storage [19-Aug-24 04:10 PM] flor2081#0000 also: https://prosperousuniverse.com/roadmap {Embed} https://prosperousuniverse.com/roadmap Prosperous Universe | The Economic Space MMO In Prosperous Universe, you are the CEO of your own spacefaring company. Explore the galaxy, design spaceships, forge alliances, and most importantly: produce, trade, transport, and profit. Manage your business through a highly customizable user interface named APEX, accessible via web browser. Contribute to a purely player-driven MMO economy in... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/iw6GWFhfbXVxv9pGxGE1JgF_0dDoqQLVZGppgAEL7-U/https/prosperousuniverse.com/og/image.jpg [19-Aug-24 04:10 PM] realharvey#0000 upgraded HQ and build tons of ships? xD [19-Aug-24 04:10 PM] laaxus#0000 well honestly thanks, I had more fun than I had thought [19-Aug-24 04:10 PM] laaxus#0000 I think I'm gonna like this game [19-Aug-24 04:11 PM] laaxus#0000 good night see ya {Reactions} blobwave [19-Aug-24 04:11 PM] realharvey#0000 talking to peeps is half of the fun [19-Aug-24 04:11 PM] razenpok#0000 ~~talking to spreadsheets is the other half~~ [19-Aug-24 04:11 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Its a very niche game but if its you niche, boy is it! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [19-Aug-24 04:12 PM] flor2081#0000 no i think that was this one hahah https://discord.com/channels/962667818900410388/1018254745175081081/1272983624567750656 [19-Aug-24 04:16 PM] realharvey#0000 oh lol. Was that an accident or did you owe him that? xD [19-Aug-24 04:17 PM] flor2081#0000 I typed in `RAT` and clicked enter, and it took the decoRATive one halfway in the list lmao {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [19-Aug-24 04:17 PM] igfloz#0000 rofl, that too fkin funny [19-Aug-24 04:18 PM] flor2081#0000 Small mistake, luckily rise terminated it, otherwise i'd have been at D rating for a month again ๐Ÿ˜‚ [19-Aug-24 04:18 PM] realharvey#0000 that would have been funny lol [19-Aug-24 04:19 PM] laaxus#0000 oh wait I came back for one last question Did anybody here played eve online ? How does the 2 games compare ? [19-Aug-24 04:19 PM] flor2081#0000 I haven't played, but from what I've heard it's similar except there's no PVP here [19-Aug-24 04:19 PM] marat_sh#0000 no PVP [19-Aug-24 04:19 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 its only the economy part of eve but very high level [19-Aug-24 04:20 PM] realharvey#0000 graphics here are better {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (3) [19-Aug-24 04:20 PM] flor2081#0000 Anyways i'm going to bed too, cya ๐Ÿ‘‹ {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก (4) ๐Ÿ‘† [19-Aug-24 04:20 PM] realharvey#0000 this man has the best ideas [19-Aug-24 04:20 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 very different vibe but the venn diagram does cross over at some point [19-Aug-24 04:20 PM] laaxus#0000 A good bed is the best investment you can ever make btw [19-Aug-24 04:21 PM] laaxus#0000 profond love for excel ? {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [19-Aug-24 04:21 PM] realharvey#0000 I did. And also a good chair [19-Aug-24 04:21 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 I do love excel [19-Aug-24 04:22 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 You just have to get passed the early game id say [19-Aug-24 04:22 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 its slow at first but thats a good way to get a better understanding of the game before you invest all over [19-Aug-24 04:22 PM] laaxus#0000 I do wish for an herman miller, but a discount one if possible [19-Aug-24 04:23 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 of course you can always take loans from players if you wanna accelerate, the sky is the ceiling there [19-Aug-24 04:23 PM] laaxus#0000 I'll accelerate after I finished my exams [19-Aug-24 04:23 PM] laaxus#0000 ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Aug-24 04:24 PM] igfloz#0000 I think there is a <90 day game time requirement for new players to qualify for grants. Better people than me can clarify [19-Aug-24 04:24 PM] igfloz#0000 ...just FYI [19-Aug-24 04:24 PM] laaxus#0000 I do plan to finish my exams in 2 weeks [19-Aug-24 04:24 PM] laaxus#0000 so it should be ok [19-Aug-24 04:25 PM] igfloz#0000 ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Aug-24 04:25 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm going to sleep for real this time, bye ! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ–– [19-Aug-24 04:25 PM] igfloz#0000 cya [19-Aug-24 05:23 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/triggered-angry-gif-18259552 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/triggered-angry-gif-18259552 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/d1_cNnmaXwjImBTpqJiYxZ6FADXkCdx560DugWmQRdY/https/media.tenor.com/75JPbS4CuyMAAAAe/triggered-angry.png [20-Aug-24 01:21 AM] jcheung#0000 ....oh god damnit i forgot to unload my ship and sent it back to ant [20-Aug-24 01:21 AM] jcheung#0000 fuck me. i guess the base gets to starve on feedstock for a day [20-Aug-24 02:13 AM] laaxus#0000 Hey ! So I just produced 200 MCG My profit is : 200 x 31 = +6200 (MCG) -8 x 99 = -792 (SIO) -16 x 118 = -1888 (LST) -70 x 16 = -1120 (SF) -8 x 89 = -760 (DW) -8 x 153 =-1224 (RAT) -1 x 128= -128 (OVE) Total = 288 Am i missing something ? [20-Aug-24 02:18 AM] jcheung#0000 Eesh. That's a small quantity to ship [20-Aug-24 02:18 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah I know but I can't create SIO and LST out of thin air [20-Aug-24 02:19 AM] jcheung#0000 Uhm. Wonder if we can arrange for some cheaper LST for you.... [20-Aug-24 02:19 AM] jcheung#0000 Technically you can, or at least with inputs of rat and dw, but that needs another base ๐Ÿ˜น [20-Aug-24 02:20 AM] laaxus#0000 I do have H and C, so maybe I should spend them to create PE [20-Aug-24 02:20 AM] jcheung#0000 If i didn't just climb up into bed, i would funnel you some funds to reduce that SF cost ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [20-Aug-24 02:20 AM] laaxus#0000 it's ok, I have an idea [20-Aug-24 02:20 AM] laaxus#0000 Im gonna sell my fuel [20-Aug-24 02:20 AM] laaxus#0000 I have a whole ship doing nothing [20-Aug-24 02:21 AM] jcheung#0000 ~~hey, i mentioned that last night~~ [20-Aug-24 02:21 AM] laaxus#0000 So i'm gonna sell one ship worth of fuel, this should give me enough capital to reduce that fuel cost [20-Aug-24 02:21 AM] jcheung#0000 If you have time to wait, list it for 15.9 [20-Aug-24 02:21 AM] laaxus#0000 ~~I do not know what you're talking about~~ [20-Aug-24 02:22 AM] jcheung#0000 Anyways [20-Aug-24 02:23 AM] jcheung#0000 The OVE cost may not be fully spent in this batch btw [20-Aug-24 02:23 AM] jcheung#0000 How WF consumables work is a little weird [20-Aug-24 02:24 AM] jcheung#0000 They take a day's worth of consumption, round up and anything over one day moves the next consumption time [20-Aug-24 02:24 AM] jcheung#0000 So one unit of OVE may actually be good for multiple days depending on consumption [20-Aug-24 02:25 AM] jcheung#0000 ....not in a good position to want to look [20-Aug-24 02:31 AM] laaxus#0000 Did anybody do a recipe profit calculator ? [20-Aug-24 02:32 AM] laaxus#0000 for each recipe, take the market price and output price from the market and calculate the profit ? [20-Aug-24 02:32 AM] laaxus#0000 Are market price accessible from an api ? [20-Aug-24 02:32 AM] flor2081#0000 you can easily do that with prunplanner [20-Aug-24 02:32 AM] jcheung#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183247926995189790/1275187291010240632 [20-Aug-24 02:33 AM] flor2081#0000 definitely recommended (: [20-Aug-24 02:33 AM] jcheung#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183247926995189790/1275187312573026315 ish [20-Aug-24 02:33 AM] jcheung#0000 The api endpoint list is somewhere else but it's from fio [20-Aug-24 02:46 AM] laaxus#0000 I am losing my mind : how do you plan a base with prunplanner ? [20-Aug-24 02:47 AM] jcheung#0000 Account made? [20-Aug-24 02:47 AM] laaxus#0000 yes [20-Aug-24 02:48 AM] laaxus#0000 it tells me to go to management but I see no button to create base {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275360725480505366/image.png?ex=681478bc&is=6813273c&hm=5eaa994415a0cbad39e08e4a4215e4f55375ebe878962b68e9d398354d4ed8fa& [20-Aug-24 02:48 AM] jcheung#0000 Planet search [20-Aug-24 02:48 AM] laaxus#0000 and I don't think it's in tools either ? [20-Aug-24 02:48 AM] jcheung#0000 Should be... left of management? [20-Aug-24 02:48 AM] jcheung#0000 Find the planet, hit the + [20-Aug-24 02:49 AM] jcheung#0000 Right of empire for sure [20-Aug-24 02:49 AM] laaxus#0000 oh thanks [20-Aug-24 02:51 AM] jcheung#0000 Ok, i should have been sleeping 4 hrs ago so... I'll let you go wild ๐Ÿ˜ [20-Aug-24 02:58 AM] laaxus#0000 Ok prun planner is really nice [20-Aug-24 04:08 AM] laaxus#0000 Question : What is the maximal size of a base on a planet ? I see that lvl 1 base has 500 area, and that an additionnal permit give 250 more. So I guess the maximum size is 1000 area then you are forced to do another base on another planet ? [20-Aug-24 04:11 AM] finestone#0000 yes and it is generally considered bad to use permits in that way as permits get very expensive so new planets are a more effective use of permit "space" [20-Aug-24 04:12 AM] finestone#0000 there is a tradeoff for shipping and fuel cost and alot of people do still run "multi-permit" bases so do what you want! [20-Aug-24 04:13 AM] laaxus#0000 It's hard to guess which side of the trade off is good [20-Aug-24 04:13 AM] finestone#0000 It really depends on your size and how serious you want to play the game. If you are spending alot of time and are very wealthy (Pro membership, multiple ships) and want to maximize your optimazation you should not run multi permit bases. The only exception i can think of is maybe a super high end Corp HQ. [20-Aug-24 04:15 AM] laaxus#0000 let's imagine I produce P from B So B -> P To produce B then convert it to P before selling it might be more efficient on one base but maybe then only producing B on one base, then shipping to another base in which it's converted to P is better, considering base area limits [20-Aug-24 04:15 AM] finestone#0000 COGC usually makes that irrel [20-Aug-24 04:15 AM] laaxus#0000 COGC ? [20-Aug-24 04:16 AM] finestone#0000 chamber of global commerce buff [20-Aug-24 04:16 AM] finestone#0000 25% production efficiency of the chosen industry [20-Aug-24 04:17 AM] finestone#0000 For example your BMP base needs to be on manufactoring planet. [20-Aug-24 04:18 AM] laaxus#0000 yes, it's advertising electronics [20-Aug-24 04:18 AM] finestone#0000 did you start phobos [20-Aug-24 04:18 AM] laaxus#0000 yep [20-Aug-24 04:19 AM] finestone#0000 yeah me too. Simply put phobos is a crappy new player planet [20-Aug-24 04:19 AM] finestone#0000 as the capital for electonics is too high [20-Aug-24 04:19 AM] laaxus#0000 honestly, it's not too late for me to delete and restart [20-Aug-24 04:20 AM] laaxus#0000 I don't even have 24h of gameplay with the current account [20-Aug-24 04:20 AM] laaxus#0000 if you think it's worth it [20-Aug-24 04:20 AM] finestone#0000 There is a command for it [20-Aug-24 04:20 AM] laaxus#0000 yes [20-Aug-24 04:21 AM] finestone#0000 I would just reccomend selling RAT's until you can up HQ and and build a new base on Antares I - Astraeus [20-Aug-24 04:22 AM] finestone#0000 you can essentially dissemble your base on Phobos and just leave it empty for a bit it will be a good planet later. and move to all BMPs on Astraeus. then once Astraeus is full you can think of something else or fill up phobos with electronics. [20-Aug-24 04:25 AM] finestone#0000 so that is the reason bases are usually "one dimensional" and yes sometimes shipping is a big deal but usually coordinating with a another player is a better use of both your permits than splitting the base. [20-Aug-24 04:25 AM] finestone#0000 Hope that helps im off to bed [20-Aug-24 04:26 AM] laaxus#0000 What is convered by the manufactoring ad ? [20-Aug-24 04:26 AM] laaxus#0000 anything produced in a bmp ? [20-Aug-24 04:28 AM] laaxus#0000 I think I'll liquidate and start again on Astraeus [20-Aug-24 04:28 AM] razenpok#0000 Huh what [20-Aug-24 04:28 AM] finestone#0000 any building with Expertise "manufacturing" [20-Aug-24 04:28 AM] razenpok#0000 *If* you want to liquidate and restart, do it on Hephaestus at least [20-Aug-24 04:29 AM] razenpok#0000 It's triple green [20-Aug-24 04:29 AM] laaxus#0000 wdym ? [20-Aug-24 04:30 AM] razenpok#0000 These things dictate the building materials {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275386446446067793/image.png?ex=681490b0&is=68133f30&hm=122fd2ea87351a85fb333eae8987bfff0ed67a713a4de2cd527475b992ac8cf8& [20-Aug-24 04:31 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Dont coliq and go to Heph. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [20-Aug-24 04:31 AM] razenpok#0000 Astraeus is double red, and it will require additional HSE and INS for every building you build {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275386707323387925/image.png?ex=681490ee&is=68133f6e&hm=96e6d2502a5df0f8901671c6bc6d1312c542b52e30b5ec60fcd9848d1117e48f& [20-Aug-24 04:31 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Deimos and Harmonia? are beyond max at this point. Better to go there. [20-Aug-24 04:32 AM] razenpok#0000 Harmonia has free plots still, while Deimos has none {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [20-Aug-24 04:32 AM] laaxus#0000 Why not coliq ? Might as well, I started like 10h ago [20-Aug-24 04:32 AM] razenpok#0000 So I would vouch for Deimos as well [20-Aug-24 04:32 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 AND.... [20-Aug-24 04:32 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Both conditions are required, for my do-not-do-that. [20-Aug-24 04:33 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Coliq and go to Deimos? Yes. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [20-Aug-24 04:34 AM] laaxus#0000 Why Deimos is good ? [20-Aug-24 04:34 AM] razenpok#0000 Why Deimos: planets have a limited number of plots, and Deimos is full currently. But new players can settle over the plot limit, so it's your best shot at getting a plot there [20-Aug-24 04:35 AM] laaxus#0000 and it's an important planet to have I guess ? [20-Aug-24 04:35 AM] razenpok#0000 For example, I'm waiting until it gets down from (+37) to make a new base there (probably will never happen) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275387812925145159/image.png?ex=681491f6&is=68134076&hm=fbce3eb3f277a3d8d8207669a3ac866fb53ca1549549bc95c86fbc5d97b4fdd1& [20-Aug-24 04:36 AM] razenpok#0000 It's just a nice one, not exceptional or required tho [20-Aug-24 04:36 AM] finestone#0000 oof yeah expensive is there a non red in ANT space for manufact tho? [20-Aug-24 04:37 AM] razenpok#0000 You can settle wherever tbh, so if you want something else then go for it [20-Aug-24 04:37 AM] razenpok#0000 There are no *required* planets, and the universe is big enough [20-Aug-24 04:37 AM] razenpok#0000 Hephaestus [20-Aug-24 04:38 AM] razenpok#0000 Like, the prime estate for manufacturing - all green and close to cx {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [20-Aug-24 04:38 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You don't have to settle Deimos, but in like 6-18 months, you may eventually consider that you should have settled there. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [20-Aug-24 04:39 AM] finestone#0000 with how he wants to play he should start Heph 100% dont let the Fomo dictate your new player expierence ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ‘† [20-Aug-24 04:39 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I literally bum rushed to Deimos, when I found out that it had like 3 open plots available.... 2 weeks later, it was closed out, forever. [20-Aug-24 04:40 AM] razenpok#0000 Promitor 4 lyfe brothers [20-Aug-24 04:40 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 This was with a similar situation at Vallis, which was almost closed out.... I picked Deimos, and now I have a base there, but I will never get on Vallis, unless I coliq. [20-Aug-24 05:06 AM] laaxus#0000 Well well well [20-Aug-24 05:06 AM] laaxus#0000 I coliq ed and realised that i can only start on deimos, phobos and harmonia [20-Aug-24 05:06 AM] laaxus#0000 and can't choose anything else apparently [20-Aug-24 05:07 AM] laaxus#0000 Might as well start on deimos then [20-Aug-24 05:19 AM] realharvey#0000 Best Planet anyway in Antares since you can't get a plot there anymore [20-Aug-24 05:19 AM] phoenix09891#0000 are plots actually being freed up from people who have quit? or do those plots remain until someone destroys their own CM on the planet? [20-Aug-24 05:26 AM] flor2081#0000 inactive accounts get deleted like once every week, which opens up some slots every time [20-Aug-24 05:26 AM] flor2081#0000 but after a certain amount of plots over the limit, even the purging of inactive accounts wont bring it below the limit [20-Aug-24 05:27 AM] razenpok#0000 God bless the tedium of this game that grants us mortals the free plots by purging the least patient ones [20-Aug-24 05:27 AM] flor2081#0000 so deimos is basically lost, while harmonia will hover around the plot limit for a while {Reactions} Cry [20-Aug-24 05:27 AM] flor2081#0000 and promitor has been lost for years :p [20-Aug-24 05:57 AM] laaxus#0000 once I put an order on the market, can I change it ? [20-Aug-24 05:58 AM] flor2081#0000 if it's not filled yet you can go to `CXOS` and delete them [20-Aug-24 05:58 AM] flor2081#0000 also, these little grey shortcuts are very useful in case you havent noticed them yet {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275408668317188128/image.png?ex=6814a562&is=681353e2&hm=330128cc0d5145f336b2caec5d9acc3ce5b5ca7695a91a99f1d1747316e97780& [20-Aug-24 06:05 AM] laaxus#0000 Do I pay a fee for the storage of resources on the CXL ? [20-Aug-24 06:13 AM] laaxus#0000 anyway thanks [20-Aug-24 06:26 AM] flor2081#0000 nope if its listed its basically free storage {Reactions} โœ… [20-Aug-24 08:26 AM] skyrey#0000 Hello there, would anyone know why Elon ( Anteras Space ), has a chemistry cogc? I think that either resource extraction or manufacturing will be a better option [20-Aug-24 08:28 AM] chobbycock#0000 Does anyone here have a need for MLI or BAI? I started producing them and realised there isn't much of a market. So unless someone in here could use them, probably gona stop that production [20-Aug-24 08:31 AM] realharvey#0000 because Antares needed more chemistry planets, that are reasonable close to the CX and dont have super expensive buildings MATs [20-Aug-24 08:31 AM] realharvey#0000 The need for COGC Chemistry planets is bigger than the ressources that get extracted there [20-Aug-24 08:32 AM] skyrey#0000 What is produced on all these chemistry planets? [20-Aug-24 08:37 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 For me, I have 8 chem planets just to keep fed my PP3 production [20-Aug-24 08:37 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Itโ€™s a lot of EPO and the CL to make it [20-Aug-24 08:38 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Mostly [20-Aug-24 08:38 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 They are a good money maker as well and pretty good ROI [20-Aug-24 08:39 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 There is always a need for more Chem [20-Aug-24 08:40 AM] skyrey#0000 Noted [20-Aug-24 08:44 AM] skyrey#0000 I am just planning my expansion and growth. So far it seems that I will make Harmonia to Nascent to Hephaestus production line, making PE [20-Aug-24 08:45 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 If you want to build a CHEM planet let me know and Iโ€™ll gladly get you some funding [20-Aug-24 08:45 AM] skyrey#0000 Chem planet to produce what exactly? [20-Aug-24 08:47 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 CL is a good money make about 80k a day [20-Aug-24 08:47 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 NS or PG are in the same range [20-Aug-24 08:48 AM] marat_sh#0000 EPO / NS / CL / PG / TCL - are all in good demand [20-Aug-24 08:48 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Yeah they can all be reliably sold at the CX [20-Aug-24 08:49 AM] skyrey#0000 I will write it down for myself [20-Aug-24 08:51 AM] skyrey#0000 I am currently working on this idea. I have the Harmonia base built, slowly developing the Nascent base ( 7 out of 33 planed incinerators ). and I am yet to start work on the Hephaestus base. Hopefully within the next 2 months I will be done with this circle and will start looking towards other industries [20-Aug-24 09:01 AM] jcheung#0000 I would say give it a couple more days to see if you can figure out some more of the new player errors [20-Aug-24 09:02 AM] jcheung#0000 Ope. Too slow [20-Aug-24 09:15 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 You can always get loans to accelerate it. In the beginning the ROI is so good itโ€™s easy to repay the loans [20-Aug-24 09:29 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Chemistry just underpins so many industries, it's not even funny. [20-Aug-24 09:31 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 For instance, no FIM/MEA or LUX consumables without DDT. No DDT without pre-processing HAL through CHPs (chem). No volume-based RAT/CAF/RCO/HCP production without NS. You'd be stuck dealing with the basic RAT/OVE recipes from just FRM outputs. [20-Aug-24 09:33 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Lol, no cheap DW, without the PG either. Even with the stabilized H2O prices, there're still a bit too high, if you were to make the DW via tap (the no PG recipe). [20-Aug-24 09:55 AM] jcheung#0000 no fabs either [20-Aug-24 09:55 AM] jcheung#0000 or few fabs [20-Aug-24 10:35 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 B-fabs? [20-Aug-24 10:36 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 People are likely focusing on the higher tier L/R/A fabs, and just forgetting about the liquidity sinks that the B-fab MM.ASK.AI1's are. [20-Aug-24 10:45 AM] jcheung#0000 metal refining takes chem for better yield, so it'll spike the price on b's... and then make l/r/a impossible if chem wasn't there afaik [20-Aug-24 11:24 AM] laaxus#0000 what is the issue with bfabs production ? [20-Aug-24 11:35 AM] jcheung#0000 similar to RATs. people looking to make better profits and overlooking them. fortunately the MM exists, or the price would be a lot higher [20-Aug-24 11:40 AM] laaxus#0000 ah I see [20-Aug-24 11:40 AM] laaxus#0000 per base, the other fabs make more money [20-Aug-24 11:44 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 After a while the permits for new bases are extremely expensive [20-Aug-24 11:44 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 So not for a while but at some point profit per permit is very important [20-Aug-24 11:45 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 So you have a pressure to move up the tiers of products [20-Aug-24 11:48 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 mmm.... [20-Aug-24 11:49 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's not so bad. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275496842565521518/prun-exploration.ods?ex=6814f780&is=6813a600&hm=b0470b3bf3777c08dfc77bff807b2915c7c8b771dfedacbfc33ec7d5f3522270& [20-Aug-24 11:55 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You basically have a a period of quick growth, between B and R-fabs, that tends to get cripped by the exponential costs of A-fab HQ upgrade cost sinks.... That's where I think people are seriously reconsidering their tech utilization, when they are experiencing exponential costs, per month of HQ upgrades + base installations on inhospitable worlds, and they're trying to eek out as much money as they can. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275498386711121981/Screenshot_from_2024-08-20_11-52-54.png?ex=6814f8f1&is=6813a771&hm=a077e5a5afa7a13bfbddd56c141bc77cda4c152f4f293c2ebdeafb5bb196654e& [20-Aug-24 11:58 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'm not saying it's bad or anthing, it's just that EDC/IDC farmers have positioned themselves extremely well, 1-2 years beforehand, to benefit from the resultant supply increases of R/A-fabs + FIM/MEA, which are expected when the greater population seeks better margins, and thus competes with one another, through time. [20-Aug-24 11:59 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You also have the shipbuilders, but they're marginal in terms of net volumes of those things required, per month. [20-Aug-24 12:00 PM] laaxus#0000 From what I understand, it's better to produce A fab yourself, as you need it anyway, so you can get it for much lower than market price + make a profit from selling it ? [20-Aug-24 12:02 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Maybe, up to a certain point in the universal development.... We've passed it like 6 months ago. Now A-fabs are cheaper en masse, than R-fabs, which make IDCs more profitable than EDCs.... The same situation is happening with MEA, over FIM. [20-Aug-24 12:02 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Aggregate competition does wonders, to push down cost-metrics. [20-Aug-24 12:11 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Especially, when most people go chasing after those Prunplanner net_profit #s. It's just things to consider. [20-Aug-24 12:13 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 I mean thatโ€™s just the most logical thing to do [20-Aug-24 12:13 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Not running a charity here [20-Aug-24 12:14 PM] laaxus#0000 in short it's getting harder to make good money [20-Aug-24 12:14 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Iโ€™d say itโ€™s the opposite [20-Aug-24 12:14 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Especially for beginners [20-Aug-24 12:15 PM] razenpok#0000 It's getting harder to find as good roi as for the beginners {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [20-Aug-24 12:15 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Today you can get loans and end up with 15 bases within a few months [20-Aug-24 12:15 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Chem bases a have a ROI of 14-21 days [20-Aug-24 12:16 PM] laaxus#0000 ok I understand now Each base makes much less money than the one before [20-Aug-24 12:16 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You have a situation of margin squeeze. More suppliers/competitors, which will price another out per update of CXOS orders. More peeps in-game == this sort of thing happens much faster. [20-Aug-24 12:17 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Still being a returning player, game is easier to start now than a year ago [20-Aug-24 12:29 PM] jcheung#0000 especially if RAT prices keep going up [20-Aug-24 12:33 PM] laaxus#0000 if rat prices is going up, maybe investing in a rat mass production might be a good investment long term [20-Aug-24 12:33 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'm literally rushing mass RAT production, via SE-110 system + all of my excess FP planets.... [20-Aug-24 12:34 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 All for ANT export... [20-Aug-24 02:01 PM] puncher23#0000 Glossary has anybody made one for the game..outside the list on cx markets? [20-Aug-24 02:06 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's all pretty much in-game commodities, buildings, commands, trading keywords, currencies, CXes? [20-Aug-24 02:07 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 if you don't find a keyword in-game, we're referring to a rl term --- just google it. [20-Aug-24 02:07 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You'll see random stuff, here and there. It's best to be self-sufficient. It's not that we don't want to pitch in for your questions --- we'll just log out for like 18 hours, per day, and you'll be left on your own. :/ [20-Aug-24 02:11 PM] igfloz#0000 https://tenor.com/view/lovenote-jackskellington-periodic-table-prof-gif-12616455 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/lovenote-jackskellington-periodic-table-prof-gif-12616455 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/tc-_NsSJmzeSNzesysadqQc5GqLMCafMax36rD8_8CM/https/media.tenor.com/1NkeAmKUWgAAAAAe/lovenote-jackskellington.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [20-Aug-24 02:11 PM] igfloz#0000 The Periodic Table covers the elements, gases and metals I figure [20-Aug-24 04:00 PM] laaxus#0000 it must be so hard for a new player starting on deimos without capital [20-Aug-24 04:01 PM] laaxus#0000 like, almost no recipe is profitable [20-Aug-24 04:02 PM] laaxus#0000 I don't understand the metallurgy business, there's almost no trade for metallurgic end product ? [20-Aug-24 04:03 PM] archielvahr#0000 Making Aluminum from ALO using Flux should be okay...? [20-Aug-24 04:03 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Yeah itโ€™s not too bad [20-Aug-24 04:03 PM] archielvahr#0000 http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_2024-08-20_16-03-40.png [20-Aug-24 04:05 PM] archielvahr#0000 That's the long term goal for a full Deimos base, but the margin holds for a smaller base too [20-Aug-24 04:05 PM] igfloz#0000 errr.... so why am I constantly transporting ALO to Deimos for others to smelt ? [20-Aug-24 04:05 PM] laaxus#0000 yeah but I meant, for every other metallurgic building outside of sme/ext, I couldn't find one recipe worth doing ? [20-Aug-24 04:06 PM] laaxus#0000 is deimos just a big AL factories ? [20-Aug-24 04:06 PM] archielvahr#0000 There are other better recipies, but AL is traded very heavily. You can do better with steel, titanium, copper, lithium. [20-Aug-24 04:07 PM] igfloz#0000 ah, I'm guessing that people might only smelt on Deimos, then transport the AL to another planet that benefits from another COGC, like construction [20-Aug-24 04:07 PM] archielvahr#0000 Are you using prunplanner for those decisions? maybe there's a setup issue there that we could help with? [20-Aug-24 04:07 PM] archielvahr#0000 http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_2024-08-20_16-07-36.png {Embed} http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_2024-08-20_16-07-36.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/tFuW1GkZfwbg_vzmkzn25cIhBe2boZH2kFsfDXXfLbk/http/kortham.net/temp/firefox_2024-08-20_16-07-36.png [20-Aug-24 04:08 PM] laaxus#0000 it's ok, my capital will go to a pe production anyway, i was just bored and tried to think what I will do with deimos later on [20-Aug-24 04:08 PM] archielvahr#0000 I recommend Aluminum because it's easy to move, in very high demand, and the ore is pretty available [20-Aug-24 04:09 PM] laaxus#0000 so I was looking through the metallurgic buildings like FS, GF, HWP, SKF, ASM [20-Aug-24 04:10 PM] laaxus#0000 just to see what It would look like [20-Aug-24 04:10 PM] laaxus#0000 but those building had no recipe worth doing [20-Aug-24 04:11 PM] archielvahr#0000 Ah. I have all those buildings except GF. I make pretty good money with them [20-Aug-24 04:11 PM] laaxus#0000 what are you selling ? [20-Aug-24 04:12 PM] archielvahr#0000 Deimos is one of my most profitable bases: [20-Aug-24 04:12 PM] archielvahr#0000 http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_2024-08-20_16-12-16.png {Reactions} Cry (2) [20-Aug-24 04:14 PM] archielvahr#0000 Eh the AWH prices in prunplanner seem a bit bonkers [20-Aug-24 04:14 PM] archielvahr#0000 But I think igfloz has a good point, a lot of those products go into construction fabs, and the markup ends up there [20-Aug-24 04:15 PM] archielvahr#0000 That's where most AL ends up going [20-Aug-24 04:15 PM] laaxus#0000 what is that planet breakdown command ? It's pretty neat [20-Aug-24 04:15 PM] archielvahr#0000 LI is pretty valuable once it goes into CBLs. TI has been inflated nicely [20-Aug-24 04:15 PM] archielvahr#0000 You need the PMMG plugin installed in your browser, then do XIT FIN, and click on the options there [20-Aug-24 04:18 PM] laaxus#0000 thanks [20-Aug-24 04:29 PM] laaxus#0000 btw you're making a shit ton of money at oe-073c [20-Aug-24 04:50 PM] marat_sh#0000 Try not to focus on one item. Make 80-90% of your income from low margin products that sell fast and often and sprinkle some expencive stuff that people buy from time to time in tiny quantities [20-Aug-24 04:57 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/f7741b1f-748d-4c93-8dd6-824983cdbc37 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/f7741b1f-748d-4c93-8dd6-824983cdbc37 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [20-Aug-24 04:57 PM] marat_sh#0000 Example [20-Aug-24 05:01 PM] marat_sh#0000 Once you build up your capital you can start smelting some alloys that give big $ [20-Aug-24 05:01 PM] marat_sh#0000 Hull Welding Plant is also a must have [20-Aug-24 05:04 PM] laaxus#0000 At what point should I stop creating New bases and upgrade the area of current bases ? [20-Aug-24 05:05 PM] marat_sh#0000 Depends... If you can keep up you can upgrade them as you grow. I like to max out one thing and move to next [20-Aug-24 05:09 PM] acramernc#0000 is prun down? [20-Aug-24 05:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 seems to be working for me [20-Aug-24 05:15 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Iโ€™d say never. Actually upgrading is best at the beginning and gets worse and worse. The first permit for a base gives 500 area then the 2nd and 3rd give 250. When permits start to get expensive you want to maximize them and therefore have 1 permit bases [20-Aug-24 05:15 PM] acramernc#0000 ooop just had to clear my cookies [20-Aug-24 06:03 PM] jcheung#0000 Depends a lot on desired activity level [20-Aug-24 06:03 PM] jcheung#0000 Upgrades only give 250 area while new bases give... i think it was 495 after CM? [20-Aug-24 06:03 PM] jcheung#0000 So you lose a lot of value [20-Aug-24 06:03 PM] jcheung#0000 But you reduce logistic complexity [20-Aug-24 06:04 PM] jcheung#0000 Plus some things are just super limited like fertile land, so those may be worth it [20-Aug-24 06:10 PM] skyrey#0000 I was looking at United Faction Operations for a corporation to join, but there seems to be very few in general - less in Anteras space. Is there a Discord server where corporations usually post recruitment notices, or are there just few corporations publicly recruiting? [20-Aug-24 06:19 PM] jcheung#0000 That's the best place. ADI does have one but they basically use it to boost production on Elon [20-Aug-24 08:54 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yeah, all of the recruitment notices should be in UFO, under the recruitment board. You need to opt-in seeing the recruitment ads, to see that channel. [20-Aug-24 09:30 PM] jcheung#0000 hmmm. this is what i get for relying too much on xit burn too much.... missed an entire 4 things to bring >.> [20-Aug-24 09:31 PM] tanda#0000 hmm? How did that happen? [20-Aug-24 09:31 PM] jcheung#0000 new base, didn't add some of the WF consumables to the list at 0's [20-Aug-24 09:31 PM] jcheung#0000 so i missed all of them, and had that nagging feeling all of today that i was missing something [20-Aug-24 09:32 PM] jcheung#0000 now that everything else arrived though, i can see clearly what i'm missing [20-Aug-24 09:33 PM] tanda#0000 ah, alright. Burn's great for tracking established bases. I definitely use PRUNplanner for initial load in though [20-Aug-24 09:33 PM] jcheung#0000 i started off with that [20-Aug-24 09:33 PM] jcheung#0000 but after the base was built i got lazy and decided to default to burn [20-Aug-24 09:34 PM] jcheung#0000 it doesn't help that this base takes about 30 inputs between WF and feedstock [20-Aug-24 09:34 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, that seems suboptimal [21-Aug-24 12:29 AM] hernanduer#0000 Wasn't everyone in Ant space supposed to get member? ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿซ  [21-Aug-24 12:32 AM] hernanduer#0000 OOG is always recruiting active subscribed players for Ant space [21-Aug-24 12:33 AM] hernanduer#0000 Archiel has an invite over in the UFO channel [21-Aug-24 12:55 AM] jvaler#0000 oops yes i'll go ahead and get that done [21-Aug-24 01:11 AM] jvaler#0000 @pawnzischeme i've removed your company code from your nickname as it seems to no longer exist ingame. [21-Aug-24 01:13 AM] jvaler#0000 @_katze_kattzen_ same with you [21-Aug-24 01:15 AM] jvaler#0000 @ohs_ and you [21-Aug-24 01:44 AM] magican1980#0000 I agree on this, but there a lot of planets with the right GOGC, where I need more then MCG ... this make the production in the starting time (atm me after 6 months) harder. On long term the profit is calculated per permit and not per base :/ [21-Aug-24 01:46 AM] magican1980#0000 after HQ 20 - for example 21 ~8 Mio | 22 ~12 Mio | 23 ~16 Mio | 24 ~20 Mio | 25 ~24 Mio ... the people take their money and order ships for every route and have more ships between the planets ๐Ÿ™‚ [21-Aug-24 01:46 AM] magican1980#0000 a ship with cost of 4-5 Mio, I must save 2-3 weeks ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [21-Aug-24 06:58 AM] laaxus#0000 I bought products on CX, with the location being my ship, but I don't see the product in the inventory of my ships ? [21-Aug-24 06:58 AM] laaxus#0000 what am i doing wrong ? [21-Aug-24 07:03 AM] tanda#0000 do you have a warehouse at the CX? If so, goods will always go to there instead of the ship [21-Aug-24 07:03 AM] tanda#0000 if not, check your contracts, it will make a contract with your CX items in it [21-Aug-24 07:03 AM] laaxus#0000 yes, rented one [21-Aug-24 07:03 AM] laaxus#0000 you're right [21-Aug-24 07:04 AM] laaxus#0000 i'm confused but you are right [21-Aug-24 07:06 AM] tanda#0000 it's just a bug. the game will literally never put it into your ship if you have a warehouse [21-Aug-24 07:08 AM] flor2081#0000 not a bug, priority is warehouse - ships - contracts [21-Aug-24 07:08 AM] flor2081#0000 the location thing is only intented to work for selling materials [21-Aug-24 07:09 AM] flor2081#0000 devs just never made it clear that it only works 1 way lol [21-Aug-24 07:33 AM] laaxus#0000 does HQ location matter ? [21-Aug-24 07:34 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It depends on what you will be doing, en masse. [21-Aug-24 07:34 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/headquarters/index.html {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275795262635511848/Screenshot_from_2024-08-21_07-34-43.png?ex=6814bbed&is=68136a6d&hm=cd4f2bc2ca8f14ff01665c5cfc5850ad7dd2822551164a32b9daa00c1fbe0a47& {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/headquarters/index.html Headquarters :: Prosperous Universe Handbook Prosperous Universe Wiki [21-Aug-24 07:43 AM] xtc69#0000 Let's talk about your links lol ๐Ÿ˜† [21-Aug-24 07:45 AM] laaxus#0000 ~~so no difference between hq in deimos and hephaistos ?~~ [21-Aug-24 07:58 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 None? lol. [21-Aug-24 08:00 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ANT is most beneficial, for ECA | SE | DRS | SL MM processes, unless you're maxing out intermediate tier electronics outputs for other things, via a co-op. [21-Aug-24 08:01 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I only grow stuff, and then run them through an FP, so my HQ will always be at Prom. ๐Ÿ™‚ [21-Aug-24 08:09 AM] magican1980#0000 I want my HQ also there ๐Ÿ˜ฆ but after 6 Month in, I will not start anew after Shipupgrades ๐Ÿ™‚ [21-Aug-24 08:10 AM] laaxus#0000 How to buy 2 different goods in one contract ? [21-Aug-24 08:11 AM] sidepipe#0000 not possible yet - one thing per contract ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [21-Aug-24 08:11 AM] laaxus#0000 -_- [21-Aug-24 08:11 AM] laaxus#0000 well it's ok [21-Aug-24 08:11 AM] laaxus#0000 thanks [21-Aug-24 08:12 AM] sidepipe#0000 we all felt the same when we found out ๐Ÿ˜„ [21-Aug-24 08:20 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You might have felt bad... I just ensure long-term deals, and make CONTD drafts. ๐Ÿ˜› [21-Aug-24 08:21 AM] sidepipe#0000 oh yeah, that too. but I still feel bad {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275807007223320616/image.png?ex=6814c6dd&is=6813755d&hm=c68181d5429244a8f617961389224ae29bf831272281f45d448a077e782370ae& [21-Aug-24 08:22 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 we never metion our CONTD length.... [21-Aug-24 08:23 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 especially since we can't re-arrange it. [21-Aug-24 08:23 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I mean you can, but it involes copy+editing. [21-Aug-24 08:23 AM] sidepipe#0000 yeah that kills me a bit [21-Aug-24 08:23 AM] sidepipe#0000 i have a bunch of drafts for malahat that are kinda split up into different groups [21-Aug-24 08:24 AM] sidepipe#0000 and I only have one recurring deal to handle ๐Ÿ˜„ [21-Aug-24 08:25 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It makes me think that either: 1) devs are too stingy about incorporating Queue-like adjustment to CONTDs, or they really want to impose some sort of opportunity cost/grievane, with cooperating with others. [21-Aug-24 08:26 AM] sidepipe#0000 I like to think and hope that it's more 1) - I could see the argument for "we have limited dev-time, and we want to spend it on adding new features rather than QoL improvements" [21-Aug-24 08:26 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Well, if you'd consider that a QoL improvement, is a new feature? win-win!? [21-Aug-24 08:27 AM] sidepipe#0000 that's what you'd hope ๐Ÿ˜„ [21-Aug-24 08:28 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I mean its like 15 minutes on Mondays, 15 minutes on Saturdays, 15 minutes sometime mid-week... It adds up. [21-Aug-24 08:28 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'd pay more in PRO subscriptions, just to have those time-saving QoL included, within like 4 months. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [21-Aug-24 08:29 AM] sidepipe#0000 ~~do you mean for you, or for the devs?~~ (nvm it just clicked haha) because I'd _hate_ to know how many hours I've wasted fighting contracts ๐Ÿ˜„ [21-Aug-24 08:35 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Those base CD-AAAA-XXXX numbers are randomly generated. Each person has a hidden ID, which connects those CD numbers, to their account, which are listed in descending order, from the date of creation. All you need, is a user generated, priority display #, which is easily had from a copy-pasta from anything on the Production Queue window... So yes... I'd hate to to know how many dev hours it would take, to do that. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275810500902387743/Screenshot_from_2024-08-21_08-32-17.png?ex=6814ca1e&is=6813789e&hm=7d7cca9073019840921ec33b7acfe619b4b58fb024c30d954b01982aa3ccf4b3& [21-Aug-24 08:36 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 26!^4 * 10!^4. An insane number... I don't think we will ever run out. [21-Aug-24 08:39 AM] sidepipe#0000 wait, wouldn't it just be 26^4 * 10^4, no factorials? Since there's 26 choices for each letter and 10 each number? [21-Aug-24 08:39 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yes it would. [21-Aug-24 08:39 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 XD [21-Aug-24 08:39 AM] sidepipe#0000 (also, is that i3? ๐Ÿ™‚ ) [21-Aug-24 08:39 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Okay, we might run out.... [21-Aug-24 08:39 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 yes it is --- too lazy to switch to dwm. [21-Aug-24 08:40 AM] sidepipe#0000 I've always liked i3. I'd switch to it if I ever get around to doing linux on the desktop [21-Aug-24 08:41 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's a better workflow, than with the usual GUI interface that you'd get with desktop editions. [21-Aug-24 08:42 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 it syncs well with many minimalist programs, that accept keybinds. [21-Aug-24 08:44 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://suckless.org/ mmm, the good stuff [21-Aug-24 08:46 AM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, I used a lot of emacs in college - mostly org-mode for keeping track of homework and stuff, and notes. That really made me appreciate tiling windows. Not that emacs really counts as minimalist software [21-Aug-24 08:46 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 yeah, tell me about it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urcL86UpqZc {Embed} Programmers are also human https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urcL86UpqZc Interview with an Emacs Enthusiast in 2023 [Colorized] Emacs OS Interview with an Emacs Enthusiast in 2023 with Emerald McS., PhD - aired on ยฉ The Emacs. org. air date 1990. Programmer humor Software humor Elisp humor Software tools Retro computing Vim vs emacs editor Computerphile Emacs humor Emacs jokes emacs vs vim Programming memes gnu emacs spacemacs emacs memes lex friedman ide VS Code confi... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/-maygQaiTJlsIJAOX1KF0JUNVbruaqxuwBTFk32uu68/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/urcL86UpqZc/maxresdefault.jpg [21-Aug-24 08:49 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 "I spend more time customizing my computer, than using it" --- Yep, I got shot as well. XD [21-Aug-24 08:52 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 APEX might be down, btw. [21-Aug-24 08:52 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah it's down [21-Aug-24 08:53 AM] sidepipe#0000 I guess thatโ€™s my sign to start working ๐Ÿ˜ž [21-Aug-24 08:53 AM] laaxus#0000 likewise [21-Aug-24 08:53 AM] flor2081#0000 hahah same [21-Aug-24 08:53 AM] laaxus#0000 ITS BACK NVM [21-Aug-24 08:53 AM] sidepipe#0000 Oh great I didnโ€™t want to work anyway ๐Ÿ˜„ [21-Aug-24 08:53 AM] flor2081#0000 oh, not working for me yet [21-Aug-24 08:54 AM] flor2081#0000 woop nvm we're back! [21-Aug-24 09:57 AM] archielvahr#0000 I'd pay more in PRO subscriptions, just [21-Aug-24 01:11 PM] laaxus#0000 where do you buy a ship ? how much does it cost ? [21-Aug-24 01:11 PM] realharvey#0000 about 5-8 million [21-Aug-24 01:12 PM] laaxus#0000 I guess I'm gonna wait a few month [21-Aug-24 01:13 PM] realharvey#0000 you wont need them for a while anyway [21-Aug-24 01:13 PM] realharvey#0000 first you you are going to do is upgrading your current ships to bigger cargo holds [21-Aug-24 01:14 PM] laaxus#0000 it's possible ? [21-Aug-24 01:14 PM] realharvey#0000 yes [21-Aug-24 01:14 PM] realharvey#0000 not sure what the price for such an upgrade was [21-Aug-24 01:14 PM] realharvey#0000 between 0,5-1,5 million irc [21-Aug-24 01:21 PM] laaxus#0000 yeah, there are LCB for sales at 715K [21-Aug-24 01:23 PM] laaxus#0000 but like nobody buys it on the cx {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275882988248371301/image.png?ex=68150da1&is=6813bc21&hm=6dbe73f5fe0624899517a2503696d5116c3457a25159cc9d300151bef5736590& [21-Aug-24 01:23 PM] laaxus#0000 I guess that's because people directly buy where's its produced ? [21-Aug-24 01:26 PM] marat_sh#0000 you basically order them [21-Aug-24 01:26 PM] marat_sh#0000 since not everyone can afford them [21-Aug-24 01:27 PM] marat_sh#0000 also you probably want WCB instead of LCB [21-Aug-24 01:28 PM] jcheung#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1202257500213366804 [21-Aug-24 01:28 PM] jcheung#0000 https://discord.com/invite/hWaYKphV [21-Aug-24 01:28 PM] jcheung#0000 Wcb is a cheaper upgrade path, but lcbs are awesome [21-Aug-24 01:31 PM] laaxus#0000 thanks [21-Aug-24 01:39 PM] jcheung#0000 Queue i think is roughly around a month [21-Aug-24 01:39 PM] jcheung#0000 Maybe less [21-Aug-24 01:39 PM] jcheung#0000 Mine was about 3 weeks [21-Aug-24 01:39 PM] jcheung#0000 I just picked up last week [21-Aug-24 01:43 PM] laaxus#0000 are faction reputation point usefull ? [21-Aug-24 01:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Not really [21-Aug-24 01:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 They donโ€™t really do anything as far as anyone has seen yet [21-Aug-24 03:53 PM] razenpok#0000 Very important bragging internet points [21-Aug-24 04:00 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1275922514815750247/image.png?ex=681489b1&is=68133831&hm=ceb0e230737f4214eb2d787f527196a4656633ab9ed9822dc795e76b4e989b25& [21-Aug-24 04:00 PM] marat_sh#0000 true bragging points [21-Aug-24 04:10 PM] laaxus#0000 124 ships god damn [21-Aug-24 04:10 PM] laaxus#0000 does the guy do trading or what ? [21-Aug-24 04:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [21-Aug-24 04:10 PM] igfloz#0000 I think all he does is shipping conts [21-Aug-24 04:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And shipping [21-Aug-24 04:25 PM] flor2081#0000 you can also rent his ships haha [21-Aug-24 04:25 PM] flor2081#0000 but i'm pretty sure he does most of the OOG internal shipping [21-Aug-24 04:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [21-Aug-24 04:25 PM] flor2081#0000 i just wanted to ask you to confirm that hahh [21-Aug-24 04:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Heโ€™s never shipped anything for me [21-Aug-24 04:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And Iโ€™ve put up a really juicy offer [21-Aug-24 04:27 PM] laaxus#0000 what are the pro and con of joining a corp ? [21-Aug-24 04:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s another community like this [21-Aug-24 04:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Corps have a HQ that boosts production efficiency on said planet [21-Aug-24 04:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Thatโ€™s about it tho atm [21-Aug-24 04:28 PM] razenpok#0000 Usually, corps are more tight-knit? [21-Aug-24 04:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 They donโ€™t have to be [21-Aug-24 04:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 yup, depends on the corp [21-Aug-24 04:29 PM] laaxus#0000 I thought corp would cooperate to do a larger scale business than a single one could not do [21-Aug-24 04:30 PM] flor2081#0000 some do that yeah, others just kinda use it as a group-chat, or offer cheaper internal prices [21-Aug-24 04:30 PM] flor2081#0000 like here basically [21-Aug-24 05:09 PM] jcheung#0000 That describes ADI! [21-Aug-24 05:09 PM] jcheung#0000 Some corps have an internal market *eyes #internal-offers * [21-Aug-24 11:49 PM] evany.#0000 thats what most projects are focused on [22-Aug-24 02:51 AM] laaxus#0000 what's fixed capital ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276086373190729749/image.png?ex=6814798b&is=6813280b&hm=759d6e5579115a5d59a385d7c96a5463eeb44707b5532a4979eaf761a333f978& [22-Aug-24 02:52 AM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276086589206036490/fixedasset-edit-3fa5166c806b4897921df1a7dbcb5826.png?ex=681479bf&is=6813283f&hm=b85aad27ac975a5f46ca7c89a84f1cd66de028318138ab29423cb94a2e1a8b90& [22-Aug-24 02:52 AM] razenpok#0000 https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/fixedasset.asp {Embed} https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/fixedasset.asp What Is a Fixed Asset? A fixed asset is a long-term tangible asset not expected to be used or sold within a year. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/fi9Z6jQa3hYTsTd9yWemVDXmZL4b9BQ0fabErJNnl7Y/https/www.investopedia.com/thmb/RKtCfEEuXswsAgiArNjpmUK1Oz4%3D/1500x0/filters%3Ano_upscale%28%29%3Amax_bytes%28150000%29%3Astrip_icc%28%29/investing18-5bfc2b8fc9e77c005143f183.jpg [22-Aug-24 02:53 AM] razenpok#0000 Do note though, FIN is calculating it so badly I can't even [22-Aug-24 02:53 AM] razenpok#0000 Better install pmmg and look at XIT FIN_SUMMARY [22-Aug-24 06:18 AM] laaxus#0000 is there any tool that calculates flight length and cost ? [22-Aug-24 06:19 AM] akyantor#0000 There is a single option for this in game. If you use the command BLU, and then click on "Test" for your current ship configuration (there should only be one for a new player). You can play around with flight length/cost. [22-Aug-24 06:19 AM] laaxus#0000 thx a lot [22-Aug-24 06:19 AM] akyantor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276138725847601223/image.png?ex=6814aa4d&is=681358cd&hm=9d36a0d192ac22c0fd83dd0a2d6b3553658976c7510991b0a4e6ab95b09827cf& [22-Aug-24 10:37 AM] wooden_turtle#0000 what's the best way to control which buildings are prioritized when I don't have enough workers to staff all buildings? if I empty the production queue of a building, does that mean that the workers will get assigned to a different building? [22-Aug-24 10:38 AM] laaxus#0000 I was doing an excel sheet to see if high volume trading had potential. Half way in, I release it does not But I still gonna finish the excel sheets out of spite [22-Aug-24 10:40 AM] jcheung#0000 you don't. if you just built them within the last few hours you can get a full refund [22-Aug-24 10:41 AM] jcheung#0000 and then rebuild them closer to POPR [22-Aug-24 10:41 AM] wooden_turtle#0000 I see, thanks! [22-Aug-24 10:49 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 What sort of trading? BID.CX1 to ASK.CX1? BID.CX1 to ASK.CX2? LM.COGC to ASK.CX1? [22-Aug-24 10:52 AM] laaxus#0000 what do you mean by cx2 and lm.cogc ? [22-Aug-24 10:56 AM] jcheung#0000 high volume trading does have potential... if you have a lot of money to back it up [22-Aug-24 10:57 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Margin trading a commodity on a single CX. Margin trading between two CXes. Buying up cheap goodies at a LM, and shipping them over to a CX for sale. [22-Aug-24 11:01 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 There's enough margin, between any of those three, for such things to be viable... You just need to know your commodity markets. Of course, viability simply includes some marginal profit rate, which is far less than ideal, on say a single order transaction. It's best done long-term. Just ask Mr. Insulcris regarding how viable such things are. [22-Aug-24 11:01 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Or lowstrife, or Amp partners. :/ [22-Aug-24 11:03 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 * Gases * Fuel * Consumables * B/L/R/A fabs * more? [22-Aug-24 11:56 AM] laaxus#0000 What does it mean ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276223603016470568/image.png?ex=6814f95a&is=6813a7da&hm=5425dc86672b0eb6012837fdab8424405608d3f312d9d27fd0c4750c335b052d& [22-Aug-24 11:57 AM] flor2081#0000 click on it and assign it (: [22-Aug-24 11:57 AM] flor2081#0000 here's some info on experts if you want https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/index.html#experts {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/index.html Efficiency factors :: Prosperous Universe Handbook Prosperous Universe Wiki [22-Aug-24 11:58 AM] flor2081#0000 but basically, they give you an extra efficiency bonus, and you gain them over time [22-Aug-24 12:00 PM] laaxus#0000 expert make things going faster right ? [22-Aug-24 12:01 PM] flor2081#0000 yeah they just give an efficiency boost, like the cogc {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276224810506260480/image.png?ex=6814fa79&is=6813a8f9&hm=16e898270fada63f6162decebac2442943210be55fbc2fc4daf95f07f6a4d7eb& [22-Aug-24 12:24 PM] laaxus#0000 does this seems correct to you ? (roughly) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276230617960419348/image.png?ex=6814ffe2&is=6813ae62&hm=b118f19a587200185300ef683240518f5aeb19007ccf61e454f1afb8277e7afc& [22-Aug-24 12:25 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Depends how much gas you spend, when I did some trading I was aiming for 24hr as it allows to better utilize the ships [22-Aug-24 12:25 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 (For adjacent CXs) [22-Aug-24 12:28 PM] laaxus#0000 yeah, seems good I forgot to upgrade the fuel capacity but it did not change much {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276231617047691436/image.png?ex=681500d0&is=6813af50&hm=436179fc36f3de1daf8f6418e8eafea9a44d9e2853a30bbf3dd72accbacafe8b& [22-Aug-24 12:29 PM] laaxus#0000 it changes things a bit, gonna update [22-Aug-24 12:45 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 2-3 day CX --> CX transits are the norm, per minimal fuel usage. [22-Aug-24 12:45 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You might have less, depending on your cargo lading, + orbits. [22-Aug-24 12:47 PM] laaxus#0000 Well then I can say that it is not worth it, unless you have LOT of capital (and even then, I'm not sure) [22-Aug-24 12:47 PM] laaxus#0000 Much better to invest in buildings [22-Aug-24 12:48 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's better to invest in permits, until like HQ level 52?!? [22-Aug-24 12:48 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Of course, it's a mixed bag. If you can't ship your exports from all of those permits, then they're kinda useless? [22-Aug-24 12:48 PM] laaxus#0000 I don't wanna do the fourth column now, but that's my current result {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276236656252289176/image.png?ex=68150582&is=6813b402&hm=da7097a413802533a52ac412a52844cb23b2b6fa4f979020b1fbfceb2b0b44de& [22-Aug-24 12:49 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Your revenues are also dependent on what the current offerings are. [22-Aug-24 12:49 PM] laaxus#0000 The revenue is based on current offers [22-Aug-24 12:49 PM] laaxus#0000 from ask to bid [22-Aug-24 12:49 PM] laaxus#0000 updated every 5m [22-Aug-24 12:50 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Oh, CX --> CX arbitrage? [22-Aug-24 12:50 PM] laaxus#0000 yes [22-Aug-24 12:50 PM] laaxus#0000 buy in one cx, sell in another [22-Aug-24 12:50 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Thatโ€™s a good way to get some use out of your starter ships [22-Aug-24 12:50 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Best revenues from opposite CX sectors, makes sense. [22-Aug-24 12:51 PM] laaxus#0000 In the very beginning, while your base do nothing, yes I agree [22-Aug-24 12:51 PM] laaxus#0000 but now that I took a loan, my bases are PUMPING, so much that I'm 100% sure that my next investment is upgrading my ships [22-Aug-24 12:51 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 you are how many days in game? [22-Aug-24 12:51 PM] laaxus#0000 3 ? [22-Aug-24 12:52 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 There's cheap WCB upgrade offers on UFO... If you're not dealing with heavy ores/metals, you might want different things. You have time to consider it though. [22-Aug-24 12:53 PM] realharvey#0000 You don't really need bigger ships until you have 2-3 full bases [22-Aug-24 12:53 PM] laaxus#0000 I do have 2 full bases [22-Aug-24 12:54 PM] laaxus#0000 and the ships are constantly going from and to the cx because of the input needs [22-Aug-24 12:54 PM] laaxus#0000 so I would really like upgrading my cargo capacity [22-Aug-24 12:56 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Plan ahead. Ships aren't cheap. [22-Aug-24 12:56 PM] laaxus#0000 yeah, I saw the 600k upgrade plan on another server [22-Aug-24 12:57 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm gonna buy it in around 10 days, and I should have enough stock by then to survive 3-4 days with lighter logistics [22-Aug-24 12:57 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 .... Make it 45 days, or so... [22-Aug-24 12:58 PM] laaxus#0000 Why ? [22-Aug-24 12:58 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 There's a base repair guide somewhere... [22-Aug-24 12:59 PM] igfloz#0000 You need to repair bases every 90 days. I think thats what Roh is referring to [22-Aug-24 12:59 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 But: 1) You'll save your money for the needed cylic things (base repairs, inventory resupplies). 2) You'll still be under the age-deadline for those other-server offers. [22-Aug-24 12:59 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'm referring to a 45 day cyclic repair period, for most bases. [22-Aug-24 01:00 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It keeps your productive output, at like 99.3% of projected Prunplanner figures, throughout, so that you get minimal lag in production. [22-Aug-24 01:00 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Cuz, after 45 days of no-repairs... you start to get the lagz [22-Aug-24 01:00 PM] laaxus#0000 I can't see myself expanding a third base currently, would be possible at high ship speed, but the micro management would be too high [22-Aug-24 01:01 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 you are doing what, exactly? just general deets, I don't need prunplanner specs [22-Aug-24 01:01 PM] laaxus#0000 Pe production on hephaistus, AL production on deimos [22-Aug-24 01:01 PM] laaxus#0000 roughly [22-Aug-24 01:02 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 you're importing C, no? [22-Aug-24 01:02 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 for Heph. [22-Aug-24 01:02 PM] laaxus#0000 C and H yeah [22-Aug-24 01:02 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 how many permits did you apply already? [22-Aug-24 01:03 PM] laaxus#0000 My hq is lvl 2 [22-Aug-24 01:04 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Consider that the upgrades have a few weeks waiting time if you want the cheap one [22-Aug-24 01:04 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 So you could get on the list now to have it when you need it [22-Aug-24 01:04 PM] laaxus#0000 oh good to know [22-Aug-24 01:05 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 This is a 1 permit, 500 area plan for C-production anywhere. Maybe it'll let you help cut down on your short-term logistical requirements.... Multi - permitting is generally preferred for those, who still haven't upgraded their starters, as it helps to cut down on exports, by maximizing I/O commodity compression ratios. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276240851546275891/Screenshot_from_2024-08-17_15-46-42.png?ex=6815096a&is=6813b7ea&hm=6bd964bdf182c9a5537f004eaad1112a8fbe599b73d64db9ad3b96f0abfd6a02& [22-Aug-24 01:06 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://pct.fnar.net/hq/ HQ upgrades to level 6 are generally cheap. You could apply for a grant here?!? {Embed} https://pct.fnar.net/hq/ HQ - PrUn Community Derived Information Community derived data & formulas from the game Prosperous Universe [22-Aug-24 01:06 PM] laaxus#0000 I've received the grant already, if you talk about the AGP [22-Aug-24 01:07 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 K [22-Aug-24 01:14 PM] laaxus#0000 This seems like a low roi base Shouldn't i try to focus on ROI ? [22-Aug-24 01:15 PM] laaxus#0000 Anyway, I have time to spare so I'm gonna try a few things in planner [22-Aug-24 01:20 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The key details are in the top right... total Production Overview... You're cutting out agri imports to burn at a C-base instance. You can also feed subsequent C outputs, into another 500 base area segment of BMPs, which will only require you to import H? [22-Aug-24 01:24 PM] laaxus#0000 but i'll also have to supply this new base, with water and anything How does this improve my situation of "I want to reduce the number of flight" ? [22-Aug-24 01:24 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You tell me. I'd think it's pretty nasty. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276245704435568692/Screenshot_from_2024-08-22_13-24-03.png?ex=68150def&is=6813bc6f&hm=04e0c4ace77ffe6eeb54fab82265e4bda8cb4102b3b5c337e93e74a8821f97e0& [22-Aug-24 01:25 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 At Heph... like 2-3 days of flights, to a 3 permit instance. [22-Aug-24 01:26 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Or less. The orbit intervals get you done in like 1.5 days, overall, for weekly requirements. [22-Aug-24 01:27 PM] laaxus#0000 you want me to build the farm and inc on hepha ? [22-Aug-24 01:27 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 its not a farm [22-Aug-24 01:27 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's HYF [22-Aug-24 01:27 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 and still, you tell me [22-Aug-24 01:27 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 weigh your expansion options [22-Aug-24 01:28 PM] laaxus#0000 I thought I should use permit to build other base Wouldn't it waste the building cost of hyp and inc and HB1 ? [22-Aug-24 01:28 PM] laaxus#0000 I mean [22-Aug-24 01:28 PM] laaxus#0000 I get your point [22-Aug-24 01:28 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You will have limited shipping options, for years. [22-Aug-24 01:29 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Each new base, on a new planet, will require more shipping provisions. [22-Aug-24 01:29 PM] laaxus#0000 in a few month, the current cost of building those building will be peanuts in my weekly benefit [22-Aug-24 01:29 PM] laaxus#0000 so I could upgrade the base in the current time [22-Aug-24 01:32 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Thorough planning in the early game, (you right now), will save you headaches later... [22-Aug-24 01:33 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 personnaly i prefer the 1 base 1 permit strategy [22-Aug-24 01:34 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ^ I'll counter with.... It's a late-stage min-max strategy. [22-Aug-24 01:34 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Unless you're going to be offering free FTL ships to people, they will have to purchase their ships on their own means. [22-Aug-24 01:35 PM] marat_sh#0000 + you can time repairs with permit reduction to place a new base [22-Aug-24 01:35 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ^ I'm doing that now --- decoupling x2, 3 permit bases, to expand RAT/DW production around ANT space. [22-Aug-24 01:36 PM] marat_sh#0000 I would benefit more from expanding current planet - > use building to make stuff - > when repair time refund the base -> place a new base [22-Aug-24 01:36 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Of course... I have built up my shipping capacity, to be able to do such things now. [22-Aug-24 01:37 PM] laaxus#0000 other option : rush harmonia base and let it empty for the current time {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276248865053347881/image.png?ex=681510e0&is=6813bf60&hm=5392f88b943cf66b3638972b897769e70734f35ea987ba7d0d0cecda5b72bf5f& [22-Aug-24 01:37 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Are you on Deimos? [22-Aug-24 01:37 PM] laaxus#0000 deimos hepha yes [22-Aug-24 01:37 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 rush Harm. [22-Aug-24 01:38 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I rushed Deimos back in my day --- no regrets. [22-Aug-24 01:38 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It was at basically the same free plot margin. [22-Aug-24 01:38 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Give it ~2 months, and the whole influx of newbros at ANT, will be rushing Harm, along with you. [22-Aug-24 01:39 PM] marat_sh#0000 Bruh I hate that plot limit is a thing [22-Aug-24 01:39 PM] marat_sh#0000 FOMO is real with this one [22-Aug-24 01:39 PM] laaxus#0000 This'll change if/when the game become much more popular [22-Aug-24 01:39 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It is... I've tried to explain it in UFO discord lounge.... The old timers don't notice it... But the newbros will be noticing it, and they will be forced to settle more inhospitable planets, along the way. [22-Aug-24 01:39 PM] laaxus#0000 if the playerbase multiply by 10, the dev WILL have to do something [22-Aug-24 01:40 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 No they won't. [22-Aug-24 01:40 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The scheme is by design. [22-Aug-24 01:40 PM] laaxus#0000 it's either more place or new server [22-Aug-24 01:40 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 No new server either. [22-Aug-24 01:40 PM] laaxus#0000 players gonna second base on one green in 2 years bruh [22-Aug-24 01:40 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 I like the idea of getting your one faction space planet then having to move out [22-Aug-24 01:41 PM] marat_sh#0000 it gonna be a division between new and old players like in EVE [22-Aug-24 01:41 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I've focused on Insitor faction specialties... Of course I'm losing out on the higher tier margins, but there's plenty of others who are doing just that. [22-Aug-24 01:43 PM] marat_sh#0000 We shouldn't focus to much on higher margins... do what you enjoy doing... like @avalock ... Blood is chewing rocks and having the time of their life [22-Aug-24 01:44 PM] avalock#0000 https://tenor.com/view/eat-eating-bread-tasty-delicious-gif-16892723735751026218 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/eat-eating-bread-tasty-delicious-gif-16892723735751026218 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/SCk75lWPWUWQ7bT5J_sjuEHRKwi_KWnyLCbkaq6QUak/https/media.tenor.com/6m8CvHY_5ioAAAAe/eat-eating.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [22-Aug-24 01:44 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 There's also side-arguments to the higher margin stuff.... [22-Aug-24 01:45 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 LUX consumables don't actually contribute all that much to productivity bonuses, and they're an incredible pain for new-bros to get their hands on, either self-production, or raw purchases via CX. [22-Aug-24 01:46 PM] marat_sh#0000 Not really true, Lux for Pio and Set are not that expancive and increase your daily margins [22-Aug-24 01:46 PM] marat_sh#0000 it's hard to get them in the first few days but after that it's just another consumable [22-Aug-24 01:48 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Weigh the increased margins, versus the capital sink required to get those additional margins. [22-Aug-24 01:49 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's a decent inquiry. I don't need a response on it, just food for thought. [22-Aug-24 01:49 PM] marat_sh#0000 both will go up... your revenue and consumption [22-Aug-24 01:50 PM] marat_sh#0000 prun planer always shows daily increase of marging with addition of lux [22-Aug-24 01:50 PM] marat_sh#0000 plus you don't consume that much [22-Aug-24 01:51 PM] marat_sh#0000 my 1700 pio eat 8.5 COF a day [22-Aug-24 01:51 PM] marat_sh#0000 not that much [22-Aug-24 01:51 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 No. But when COF is like 8x that of OVE, it might be a good question to look into. [22-Aug-24 01:51 PM] marat_sh#0000 it's very easy to overproduce OVE [22-Aug-24 01:52 PM] marat_sh#0000 that's why price is so low [22-Aug-24 01:52 PM] marat_sh#0000 same with I if you overproduce it [22-Aug-24 01:52 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 OVE prices are so low, since people are making surplus RCOs, enough to keep their prices low. [22-Aug-24 01:53 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You'd see the same with COF, but CAF/COF is a harder tree to get into, especially with the NS/H2O requirements. [22-Aug-24 01:53 PM] marat_sh#0000 it's just an issue with a recipe [22-Aug-24 01:54 PM] marat_sh#0000 COT base is expancive to make + you could be making NL / KV instead of COT [22-Aug-24 02:01 PM] archielvahr#0000 Here is an article I just finished about how you shouldn't feel FOMO about not having a base on Promitor.... because it's not that great by most measures: [22-Aug-24 02:01 PM] archielvahr#0000 https://oogcapitalmanagement.com/posts/starting-in-antares/ {Embed} https://oogcapitalmanagement.com/posts/starting-in-antares/ Getting started in Antares | OOG Capital Management There are many ways to get started in Prosperous Universe that are better than a farming start on Promitor [22-Aug-24 02:01 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's a plot limit thing, if you do HYFs. :/ [22-Aug-24 02:02 PM] archielvahr#0000 If you do HYFs, you don't get the fertility bonus, so you could run them anywhere. ANT has a couple HYF planets, like Thalassa b [22-Aug-24 02:02 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Boucher/Etherwind/Kinza/Pyrgos are much better for water extraction rates.... But liquid water is basically a scarce commodity if you want triple-green base environments. [22-Aug-24 02:03 PM] archielvahr#0000 Thalassa c has higher water extraction than all those ๐Ÿ˜‰ [22-Aug-24 02:04 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 no it doesnt. [22-Aug-24 02:04 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Ice Station Alpha is basically B tier... Harmonia is C tier. [22-Aug-24 02:04 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ANT is basically screwed on the water. [22-Aug-24 02:05 PM] archielvahr#0000 Ah, Boucher is a little higher than ISA, but it beats those other 3 [22-Aug-24 02:06 PM] archielvahr#0000 http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_2024-08-22_14-06-10.png [22-Aug-24 02:06 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 #Triple-green {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276256246030139392/Screenshot_from_2024-08-22_14-06-20.png?ex=681517c0&is=6813c640&hm=073d202ecd093d0b5fe18431ab76896dab5bbeb680e7ee6ef47aa61c91069c04& [22-Aug-24 02:07 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 HSE + INS cuts down on the break-even PPUs for water from SE-110c. [22-Aug-24 02:07 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's good enough for HYF at SE-110b.... But it's super sketch. [22-Aug-24 02:09 PM] archielvahr#0000 What do you mean by "super sketch"? [22-Aug-24 02:10 PM] archielvahr#0000 I run both these bases: [22-Aug-24 02:10 PM] archielvahr#0000 http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_2024-08-22_14-09-05.png [22-Aug-24 02:15 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Apparently, HSE+INS doesn't even make a dint in the break even pricing of H2O extraction, LOL! [22-Aug-24 02:16 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 6.85 ICA per H2O from say Boucher, versus 9.21 AIC per H2O from Ice Station Alpha. [22-Aug-24 02:17 PM] archielvahr#0000 It's higher upfront costs, but that shouldn't really matter much to people these days [22-Aug-24 02:17 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Sketchy, being that I'd love a triple-green water world around ANT, with SE-110c's density. But we're not getting that. [22-Aug-24 02:17 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Nope. [22-Aug-24 03:14 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276273271402135645/image.png?ex=68147edb&is=68132d5b&hm=4310c9fe91d6b2b5a017f7601f2f73ebb68639ae9a47e20d5bee34f62b404273& [22-Aug-24 03:14 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/pepe-nervous-sweating-concerned-monkas-gif-15154684 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/pepe-nervous-sweating-concerned-monkas-gif-15154684 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/2X9YWxOhwkFuq50auu1jaCaVqV6VhwTetwVJtcBvxbs/https/media.tenor.com/GmU85epf9D4AAAAe/pepe-nervous.png [22-Aug-24 03:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yay two more ships! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276273695186354260/Screenshot_2024-08-22_131348.png?ex=68147f40&is=68132dc0&hm=ef122dc31a66fe04a6f168b5df3d66e0cb52c6e6eea8d8b3ab90ff1ab5755810& {Reactions} โค๏ธ [22-Aug-24 03:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i'm going to name them salt themed pokemons ๐Ÿ™‚ [22-Aug-24 03:17 PM] laaxus#0000 sardoche ? [22-Aug-24 03:17 PM] laaxus#0000 anyway congrats for the ships [22-Aug-24 03:17 PM] tanda#0000 Thinking about changing up my ship naming scheme [22-Aug-24 03:20 PM] laaxus#0000 Ok I know I'm a bit slow but YOU CAN NAME THE SHIPS ?? [22-Aug-24 03:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Garnacle [22-Aug-24 03:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but yeah you can [22-Aug-24 03:21 PM] igfloz#0000 it's the little things that make the eyes go wide eh ? [22-Aug-24 03:21 PM] laaxus#0000 sorry, the s word was a private joke only french people could understand Still wanted to make it [22-Aug-24 03:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah I speak japanese ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [22-Aug-24 03:23 PM] laaxus#0000 oh wait, there is one server for the whole world ? [22-Aug-24 03:23 PM] tanda#0000 Yeah? It's a niche German game [22-Aug-24 03:24 PM] laaxus#0000 ***ofcourse the dev are germans*** [22-Aug-24 03:24 PM] laaxus#0000 *cough* [22-Aug-24 03:24 PM] laaxus#0000 do we know how many different player connect monthly ? [22-Aug-24 03:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 um at least 4? {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [22-Aug-24 03:26 PM] flor2081#0000 currently 347 online, so at least like 350 [22-Aug-24 03:27 PM] tanda#0000 Yeah, at least that, since I'm not online currently [22-Aug-24 03:29 PM] laaxus#0000 437 players have more than 2 ships [22-Aug-24 03:29 PM] laaxus#0000 I think it's a good metric to keep track of [22-Aug-24 03:36 PM] flor2081#0000 a *lot* of those have quit already tho [22-Aug-24 03:36 PM] laaxus#0000 doesn't companies coliq after a time ? [22-Aug-24 03:37 PM] flor2081#0000 not very quickly if you bought pro/supporter [22-Aug-24 03:37 PM] flor2081#0000 huh what dogeconomy only had 2 ships? [22-Aug-24 03:38 PM] flor2081#0000 weird [22-Aug-24 03:38 PM] laaxus#0000 still, I think it's a good metric [22-Aug-24 03:38 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Thats interesting indeed [22-Aug-24 03:38 PM] laaxus#0000 to have 3 ships take time [22-Aug-24 03:38 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Shows how expensive they are [22-Aug-24 03:39 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 The return on them is just abyssimal so the incentive is to delay [22-Aug-24 04:25 PM] laaxus#0000 @archielvahr why do I have not the same profit as you for deimos ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276291150906396702/image.png?ex=68148f82&is=68133e02&hm=a9268ad0790b0cb5c0e30579cd12472ad4116dd4422114dcc20b0431985e4489& [22-Aug-24 04:25 PM] laaxus#0000 I have half the profit you showed in your article [22-Aug-24 04:26 PM] archielvahr#0000 Looks like a pricing difference, because they both make 224 AL per day [22-Aug-24 04:27 PM] archielvahr#0000 I use the universe 30d average I think [22-Aug-24 04:27 PM] archielvahr#0000 Which is a newer price index that better represents the long term stable price transactions are actually happening at [22-Aug-24 04:28 PM] archielvahr#0000 Lemme open up the page and peek what mine is uing [22-Aug-24 04:29 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://prunplanner.org/plan/ZV-759c/3172047d-731b-4187-b6ed-0d99450b6cfa {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/plan/ZV-759c/3172047d-731b-4187-b6ed-0d99450b6cfa PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [22-Aug-24 04:29 PM] marat_sh#0000 Try this set up [22-Aug-24 04:30 PM] laaxus#0000 it's empty ? [22-Aug-24 04:31 PM] marat_sh#0000 let it load [22-Aug-24 04:31 PM] archielvahr#0000 Your setup is the same, if you mouseover the AL up there, you can see prices: [22-Aug-24 04:31 PM] archielvahr#0000 http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_2024-08-22_16-30-51.png {Embed} http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_2024-08-22_16-30-51.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/dXLfTDikUnzDzIyF-O1G9m3CZhDEs3U9CY4Mf3xE-dM/http/kortham.net/temp/firefox_2024-08-22_16-30-51.png [22-Aug-24 04:31 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276292766254632970/image.png?ex=68149103&is=68133f83&hm=7ecb5e941aede2c9b6b2426bb986c8b47fff6f97699272cb2d87a264fec24cea& [22-Aug-24 04:34 PM] archielvahr#0000 ANT prices are currently a little lower than other regions, that is a good insight. PP30D or 30DUNIVERSE are the better long term models. ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [22-Aug-24 04:35 PM] archielvahr#0000 What JeanPaulMarat has shared is a little more complicated but you get really nice returns doing a mix of metals like that [22-Aug-24 04:36 PM] marat_sh#0000 I would lower the Li unless you can find a buyer It's not traded daily [22-Aug-24 04:40 PM] laaxus#0000 I do not have the same li price {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276295070194077888/image.png?ex=68149329&is=681341a9&hm=6c16014d94f38ad042a2b85fd569920d396ad5d80e775fc88dbcc1290b6b71f6& [22-Aug-24 04:41 PM] laaxus#0000 but anyway, it's ok [22-Aug-24 04:42 PM] marat_sh#0000 I use {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276295377993338901/image.png?ex=68149372&is=681341f2&hm=995d7857f1a50861180b26f7f991860fb8fbd728f44ec2c57356daf4f2776744& [22-Aug-24 04:43 PM] marat_sh#0000 since you should be selling at ask and buy at ask [22-Aug-24 04:43 PM] marat_sh#0000 also my C was not set at CX price [22-Aug-24 04:44 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276295944790474772/image.png?ex=681493f9&is=68134279&hm=1c55510dbf0d5e430910d59576732baec8d7446353768135f0cd2ac5e1aa7bea& [22-Aug-24 04:44 PM] marat_sh#0000 this at CX prices [22-Aug-24 04:47 PM] marat_sh#0000 aslo it's at 5 experts so it will take a while to get there [22-Aug-24 04:47 PM] marat_sh#0000 I am 30+ days in and have 4 experts so far [22-Aug-24 04:50 PM] marat_sh#0000 Oh i see why Li is not the same [22-Aug-24 04:50 PM] marat_sh#0000 last time it was sold at 1700 [22-Aug-24 04:50 PM] marat_sh#0000 but it sits at 2900 [22-Aug-24 04:51 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276297686747971685/image.png?ex=68149598&is=68134418&hm=d346a8c05275a230df3ec0bbf6a061b8f4421cec2aa3aa3ab29bce975669f362& [22-Aug-24 04:51 PM] marat_sh#0000 you can change the sell price here to better represent what you are trying to do... but you will have to update it manually or remove it once price is stable [22-Aug-24 04:53 PM] marat_sh#0000 even at 1700 it's still one of the better options [22-Aug-24 04:53 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276298117565648997/image.png?ex=681495ff&is=6813447f&hm=98943b4492fd178eea2603f6fdacbaaf0674d3315bd6486374241a7bb6a5619a& [23-Aug-24 06:46 AM] laaxus#0000 with 2 recuring order, does it alternate ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276507960855760997/image.png?ex=6814b0ae&is=68135f2e&hm=436bd73eec303ee9cc0139a2891ab5f89e79f828d43d0415c63e87996ff313d4& [23-Aug-24 06:52 AM] tanda#0000 yes, as long as a recipe can be run (you have the ingredients) it will alternate as slots open up [23-Aug-24 06:53 AM] tanda#0000 and that scales up, too. If you have 7 recurring orders, the top 1 will go to the bottom of the order queue when it gets started [23-Aug-24 06:53 AM] laaxus#0000 neat [23-Aug-24 09:21 AM] riseoffilth#0000 but annoyingly, if one recipe runs out, it will just sit there and block a build slot from being utilized [23-Aug-24 09:21 AM] riseoffilth#0000 bafflingly stupid design {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [23-Aug-24 09:22 AM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/funny-humor-ouch-move-bitch-get-out-of-the-way-gif-6056816 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/funny-humor-ouch-move-bitch-get-out-of-the-way-gif-6056816 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/mL5QurqtYMgtjoAOTuj_R8TF8G8ZBn4tRVKvxMi8TKA/https/media.tenor.com/-HH5wfe_3-IAAAAe/funny-humor.png [23-Aug-24 09:22 AM] marat_sh#0000 everytime i see that [23-Aug-24 09:23 AM] marat_sh#0000 they should insta queue at the end of the line [23-Aug-24 09:27 AM] laaxus#0000 is there any way to show the burn for the inventory of a base, like for the consumables ? [23-Aug-24 09:28 AM] riseoffilth#0000 download the PMMG extension on firefox or another browser that it works on [23-Aug-24 09:28 AM] riseoffilth#0000 follow the installation process, make an account, etc [23-Aug-24 09:28 AM] riseoffilth#0000 then the command "XIT burn_[planetid]" [23-Aug-24 09:29 AM] laaxus#0000 incredible, thanks [23-Aug-24 09:29 AM] riseoffilth#0000 be aware, if you change recipes, the data of "burn" still lists the old items, and if you lack those items, it will falsely tell you that you are out [23-Aug-24 09:29 AM] riseoffilth#0000 you would have to wipe your cache to correct [23-Aug-24 09:29 AM] laaxus#0000 reloading the page isn't enough ? [23-Aug-24 09:29 AM] riseoffilth#0000 it is not [23-Aug-24 09:31 AM] razesdark#0000 How do you even make a FIO account for the PMMG extension? [23-Aug-24 09:31 AM] riseoffilth#0000 it wont *not* tell you what you currently need, but the function that lets you look at all bases at a glance, that shows you which one has the least amount of days worth of materials, will read the lowest/incorrect item [23-Aug-24 09:31 AM] riseoffilth#0000 i may be misattributing the account thing for FIO for PMMG [23-Aug-24 09:31 AM] riseoffilth#0000 its been like a year since i did this [23-Aug-24 09:32 AM] razesdark#0000 I looked at the FIO website and it doesn't have a link to a registration form that I could find. I read somewhere that you should find instructions in the extension, but I can't seem to find that either. [23-Aug-24 09:39 AM] riseoffilth#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276551345926836444/image.png?ex=6814d916&is=68138796&hm=d0e0e9f9d120b713e04d1cf52160d5005b4f7f2ce0a7ae2c5574484e902c51b4& [23-Aug-24 09:39 AM] riseoffilth#0000 when i click the FIO extension, thats what i get [23-Aug-24 09:40 AM] razesdark#0000 Thanks. I got it now. [23-Aug-24 09:41 AM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/winnie-the-pooh-smart-believe-in-yourself-gif-16397823780093144032 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/winnie-the-pooh-smart-believe-in-yourself-gif-16397823780093144032 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/bSw85u8cuyWTHsixl8sij4e_tfhQeYmBn3N_-S3jwu8/https/media.tenor.com/45DF2T3nq-AAAAAe/winnie-the-pooh-smart.png [23-Aug-24 09:42 AM] razesdark#0000 I was under the impression that PMMG and FIO was the same plugin since it lets you use your FIO account as well, so I only PMMG installed [23-Aug-24 09:43 AM] laaxus#0000 why does pmmg not show the limestone consumption for the MCG ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276552357064343623/image.png?ex=6814da07&is=68138887&hm=dc7a8c60b7d6ad1dfcbbb15fd28c4c6f9948691fc97f576e9da53fa145e8fe27& [23-Aug-24 09:43 AM] realharvey#0000 It takes a while to update [23-Aug-24 09:44 AM] razenpok#0000 Is it recurring? [23-Aug-24 09:44 AM] realharvey#0000 Sometimes it has to run one time till it updates [23-Aug-24 09:44 AM] laaxus#0000 yes {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276552627496157314/image.png?ex=6814da47&is=681388c7&hm=5e098e9dc2c0932a135bb10c03c979a8d19faa0b329b2218006316183b281431& [23-Aug-24 09:44 AM] laaxus#0000 ok mb I had to reload the page [23-Aug-24 09:45 AM] razenpok#0000 Ah well, then it's just stuck ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [23-Aug-24 09:58 AM] jcheung#0000 @razesdark how do you plan for anyone to get this over? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1276556273638183043/image.png?ex=6814ddac&is=68138c2c&hm=5041d42837f23fb46ab1258fdc787380bfe9087c9168fae167daa384975292df& [23-Aug-24 09:59 AM] jcheung#0000 too big to fit in any ship i know of [23-Aug-24 09:59 AM] razesdark#0000 Yep. I did not notice. I thought O was heavier than that when I made it. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [23-Aug-24 12:13 PM] jcheung#0000 fuck me. forgot to confirm ship sending 2 hrs ago [23-Aug-24 12:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 @cptboby you should rent a warhouse on Antares commodity exchange [23-Aug-24 12:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 `WAR ANT` into a buffer and you can rent one there [23-Aug-24 12:23 PM] cptboby#0000 done ty [23-Aug-24 12:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 also your BDE will be there eventually [23-Aug-24 12:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but before the 3 days are up [23-Aug-24 12:24 PM] cptboby#0000 contract says its closed ,can u still fulfill it? [23-Aug-24 12:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah [23-Aug-24 12:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 closed means that I accepted it [23-Aug-24 12:25 PM] cptboby#0000 so i dont have to make another contract [23-Aug-24 12:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 nope [23-Aug-24 12:25 PM] cptboby#0000 ah ok [23-Aug-24 12:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 really dumb way of phrasing that the contract was accepted by both parties [23-Aug-24 12:26 PM] laaxus#0000 I know we had this discussion Yesterday but contracts could really help QoL and ui remake [23-Aug-24 12:26 PM] cptboby#0000 so if i dont have a warehouse u cant deliver the items? [23-Aug-24 12:26 PM] igfloz#0000 correct [23-Aug-24 12:27 PM] igfloz#0000 a WH or base storage is required to deliver [23-Aug-24 12:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 100 AIC per warhouse (WAR) is pretty cheap and worth the cost [23-Aug-24 12:27 PM] cptboby#0000 100 per week its pretty cheap [23-Aug-24 12:27 PM] laaxus#0000 Warhouses are free in all but name [23-Aug-24 12:28 PM] igfloz#0000 You will end up renting multiple WH as your needs grow [23-Aug-24 12:28 PM] cptboby#0000 if i need more than 1 wh i will probably have a lot of cash to burn too [23-Aug-24 12:29 PM] laaxus#0000 100 warhouses is 1.4k per day {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [23-Aug-24 12:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh per day [23-Aug-24 12:30 PM] igfloz#0000 I'm a fairly new player and I already have 8 WH rented on ANT [23-Aug-24 12:30 PM] cptboby#0000 cant wait to have the need for 100 whs [23-Aug-24 12:31 PM] sidepipe#0000 Itโ€™ll happen faster than you think ๐Ÿ˜ [23-Aug-24 12:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have 50 ๐Ÿ™‚ [23-Aug-24 12:33 PM] cptboby#0000 how do i know if someone who posted in internal-offers in february is still active? [23-Aug-24 12:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ve got 200, but I donโ€™t nearly fill all of them [23-Aug-24 12:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 Who is it? [23-Aug-24 12:33 PM] cptboby#0000 [OOG] Uncle_Leslie69 | QJI [23-Aug-24 12:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 I think they havenโ€™t played much recently so theyโ€™re probably out of stock [23-Aug-24 12:34 PM] cptboby#0000 most recent person who sells MCG [23-Aug-24 12:35 PM] sidepipe#0000 You could def ping them and ask, but I thought I saw them say that recently [23-Aug-24 12:35 PM] laaxus#0000 Why do I pay 3 Times more for my Rent than for a warhouse of Interstellar level [23-Aug-24 12:36 PM] sidepipe#0000 Space is cheap in space? ๐Ÿ˜„ [23-Aug-24 12:37 PM] laaxus#0000 400 a Month for a 200 square metter appartement is rather cheap [23-Aug-24 12:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 check Jvaler's stock [23-Aug-24 12:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh D: [23-Aug-24 12:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 nvm [23-Aug-24 12:40 PM] cptboby#0000 0 stock apparently [23-Aug-24 12:42 PM] marat_sh#0000 how much do you need? [23-Aug-24 12:42 PM] cptboby#0000 1537 [23-Aug-24 12:42 PM] marat_sh#0000 at what price? [23-Aug-24 12:42 PM] cptboby#0000 at your price [23-Aug-24 12:44 PM] marat_sh#0000 I have 1200 on ANT for 25 [23-Aug-24 12:44 PM] cptboby#0000 cool [23-Aug-24 12:45 PM] marat_sh#0000 contract sent [23-Aug-24 12:45 PM] cptboby#0000 thank you {Reactions} ๐Ÿค [23-Aug-24 12:46 PM] igfloz#0000 @cptboby I'll send you the remaining 337 MCG {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™‡ [23-Aug-24 12:46 PM] cptboby#0000 please do [23-Aug-24 12:47 PM] igfloz#0000 I have some laying around [23-Aug-24 12:47 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm losing my mind [23-Aug-24 12:47 PM] laaxus#0000 I have the notifications sound popping in my head [23-Aug-24 12:47 PM] laaxus#0000 from time to time, even away from pc [23-Aug-24 12:48 PM] marat_sh#0000 I've muted all discord sounds for that reason ๐Ÿ˜… [23-Aug-24 02:37 PM] laaxus#0000 go to sleep or wait until midnight to send your ships with one more production cycle [23-Aug-24 02:37 PM] laaxus#0000 how to chose [23-Aug-24 02:37 PM] laaxus#0000 decisions, decisions [23-Aug-24 02:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Sleep {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [23-Aug-24 02:38 PM] laaxus#0000 but that sweet production cycle tho [23-Aug-24 02:38 PM] jcheung#0000 it can wait until next load [23-Aug-24 03:19 PM] razenpok#0000 You have exams also, right? [23-Aug-24 03:20 PM] laaxus#0000 just succeeded one yesterday ! {Reactions} maxwell ๐Ÿฅณ ๐ŸŽ‰ [24-Aug-24 05:13 PM] laaxus#0000 In general, how do you detect that the current production is higher than the current demand ? [24-Aug-24 05:14 PM] laaxus#0000 I feel like that supply of pe is higher, because the ask offers keep coming, with lower and lower price While there's no new bid offers [24-Aug-24 05:15 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm not concerned yet, because there's a big bid offer that would still guarantee profit for me [24-Aug-24 05:15 PM] jcheung#0000 That might be in indication it's coming down, or just a small lull [24-Aug-24 05:17 PM] laaxus#0000 Honestly, my biggest beginner mistake was not to keep a large enough liquidity wallet [24-Aug-24 05:17 PM] laaxus#0000 because that forces me to buy at ask price and sell at bid price [24-Aug-24 05:18 PM] laaxus#0000 when I want to buy at bid price and sell at ask price [24-Aug-24 05:19 PM] razenpok#0000 In the beginning, you don't have much choice. Either that, or you sit on liquidity and not use it to generate more income [24-Aug-24 05:20 PM] igfloz#0000 Not really, you can still put it up at ask price, but you might find it may take a few days to sell. I think it comes down to "how much (and how quickly) people want it" [24-Aug-24 05:20 PM] laaxus#0000 yeah but I received a large amount of cash from grant + loan I invested a lot and keep around 1/4 as liquidity, then I realised I needed to store a few days worth of consumption on each base for convenience Which reduced my liquidity to not so much [24-Aug-24 05:22 PM] marat_sh#0000 I look at what volume the good is being traded daily at ASK [24-Aug-24 05:22 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm forced to sell at bid price else I can't buy the input goods for production Today I put all I've produced on ask, if in 2 days it didn't sold, I'll have to sell at bid [24-Aug-24 05:22 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1277030192224800810/image.png?ex=68149ccb&is=68134b4b&hm=64e474cdb8b832a3071c43a1ca8ffef5329b297549576bfe5e29f04fc90f9b54& [24-Aug-24 05:22 PM] marat_sh#0000 Then I take that number and produce around 40-60% of that number [24-Aug-24 05:22 PM] marat_sh#0000 so I don't have to compite with others for that price [24-Aug-24 05:22 PM] laaxus#0000 yes i'm looking at diversifying my production [24-Aug-24 05:23 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm trying a few things [24-Aug-24 05:23 PM] laaxus#0000 nicefuly, I just got a good deal which gives me leeway [24-Aug-24 05:24 PM] marat_sh#0000 max out your queue [24-Aug-24 05:24 PM] marat_sh#0000 produce 5 items and adjust the daily production [24-Aug-24 05:24 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1277030880275202100/image.png?ex=68149d6f&is=68134bef&hm=5bd782fcc970ebd0d8888a1f1e829402718a3c6d13c9dc26b7734cd9612789da& [24-Aug-24 05:25 PM] laaxus#0000 yes, I'm producing pe, but also mcg exo and rep [24-Aug-24 05:25 PM] laaxus#0000 I'll see how it goes [24-Aug-24 05:25 PM] marat_sh#0000 Yeah on the right side you will see how much you produce daily [24-Aug-24 05:26 PM] marat_sh#0000 aim at half of daily volume at ASK [24-Aug-24 05:27 PM] marat_sh#0000 it will be harder for items that are not being traded daily and you will have to make your strategy [24-Aug-24 05:28 PM] laaxus#0000 worst come to worst, I sell to dady archiel and still earn a profit {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1277031836568129567/image.png?ex=68149e53&is=68134cd3&hm=bad19077bd8359f616ad97fe524cecb9b7aa8b0618891e4b96868154fb834737& [24-Aug-24 05:29 PM] marat_sh#0000 That's what I do when I produce a bit more then I am aiming at (or when I need a bit of cash) [24-Aug-24 05:29 PM] insulacrisium#0000 thanks for the reminder that I'm missing my bid there. ๐Ÿ˜ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [24-Aug-24 05:30 PM] igfloz#0000 ...and thats kinda where my "how quick people want it ($$ or product)" statement comes from. If ya wanna turn a quick buck, you're gonna sell at bid. If ya wanna make profits, you set up asks [24-Aug-24 05:31 PM] laaxus#0000 You're both the seller and the buyer What can I do, what can i say ? [24-Aug-24 05:31 PM] insulacrisium#0000 yep, spread trading [24-Aug-24 05:32 PM] laaxus#0000 I mean, that's what happens when the spread is 10% of the ask price [24-Aug-24 05:32 PM] laaxus#0000 but still [24-Aug-24 05:32 PM] marat_sh#0000 He is a trader, they make money from trade difference between ASK and BID [24-Aug-24 05:33 PM] insulacrisium#0000 you have to consider the time-value of your money too. Sometimes you can earn higher returns by getting a lower price instantly, and reinvesting the money into production expansion. While more established players have less options to increase their ROI, so they let their money sit in bids for longer time periods. [24-Aug-24 05:33 PM] laaxus#0000 it works, until I sell thrice the anteras global demand at his bid price and still make a profit [24-Aug-24 05:33 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/iasip-its-always-sunny-mac-dennis-circle-gif-21226698 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/iasip-its-always-sunny-mac-dennis-circle-gif-21226698 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/BYFmwMuZIyHrSQUbceXTbA7ZkdjOcX4WqDlbskvmnB0/https/media.tenor.com/CMsesV7bO7kAAAAe/iasip-its-always-sunny.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† ๐Ÿ˜„ [24-Aug-24 05:34 PM] igfloz#0000 yup, there are players that are far older and have the capacity to do that. I don't...... and I'm also guessing you dont either [24-Aug-24 05:35 PM] laaxus#0000 no matter I'm gonna produce so much pe that the market will crash [24-Aug-24 05:35 PM] laaxus#0000 you'll see [24-Aug-24 05:35 PM] insulacrisium#0000 bring it on. I'll buy it and export it. [24-Aug-24 05:36 PM] insulacrisium#0000 I need a contract supplier for PE anyway. Mine went inactive. [24-Aug-24 05:36 PM] laaxus#0000 hold on, I can sell you my pe for a fixed price [24-Aug-24 05:36 PM] laaxus#0000 which would be mutually beneficial [24-Aug-24 05:36 PM] insulacrisium#0000 sure [24-Aug-24 05:37 PM] marat_sh#0000 fixed price are good for constant cash flow but bad in long term [24-Aug-24 05:37 PM] insulacrisium#0000 actually, buying wholesale trade goods over contract is kind of my thing [24-Aug-24 05:37 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, PE and PG are real easy to transport literal millions worth at a time {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [24-Aug-24 05:37 PM] igfloz#0000 It doesn't surprise me. In my short time here, there have been a few people that say "you'll see" for different products. - - Also, there have been some people that surprise themselves when they get high in the leaderboards [24-Aug-24 05:37 PM] laaxus#0000 how does meeting at half the spread sounds like to you for the current time, like 9.5/u ? [24-Aug-24 05:37 PM] marat_sh#0000 So much stuff uses PE and PG [24-Aug-24 05:37 PM] laaxus#0000 I need cash for now [24-Aug-24 05:38 PM] igfloz#0000 my take ? sell what you can, for what you can get if you need $$ [24-Aug-24 05:38 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1277034327544303797/image.png?ex=6814a0a5&is=68134f25&hm=48e5c5ebf9a022e95e4b0e819cea1d8256b9069cd2ea0635b49dc031e5eb8a27& {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ [24-Aug-24 05:38 PM] tanda#0000 speaking of: whoops {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [24-Aug-24 05:38 PM] laaxus#0000 I'll look at the most risky but more profitable options once I have a bit of money and business going, diversifying my sales {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [24-Aug-24 05:39 PM] marat_sh#0000 Let there be light [24-Aug-24 05:40 PM] insulacrisium#0000 For the current market, it's not worth it to me at 9.5. I can source it much cheaper in BEN (which is where my current PE source is) than even ANT bid price. In fact, I'm exporting from BEN to ANT. However, if you successfully crash the market in ANT, then I'll stop importing there, and if you still can keep prices down, then maybe we can talk about meeting between ask and bid. [24-Aug-24 05:44 PM] jcheung#0000 I'm somehow like #3 or 4 on the NL board. Don't have a clue how. [24-Aug-24 05:44 PM] jcheung#0000 877... [24-Aug-24 05:45 PM] laaxus#0000 I can't sell it at fixed price for lower than 9 when those are the bid offers ... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1277036091798716529/image.png?ex=6814a24a&is=681350ca&hm=a8f49148b369f6f6eafaa6c8d69e3a0180ffb2e5d1432a10f21c8b7d301656a0& [24-Aug-24 05:45 PM] laaxus#0000 wdym ? [24-Aug-24 05:45 PM] jcheung#0000 Oh no. I'm old [24-Aug-24 05:46 PM] insulacrisium#0000 absolutely, that wouldn't be worth it to you. I can totally give you an offer better than bid over contract. Just not as high as 9.5. [24-Aug-24 05:47 PM] igfloz#0000 lol, I'm un-expectantly at #7 for ALO production [24-Aug-24 05:49 PM] tanda#0000 It's interesting to me that so few people run more than 1 permit worth of SME for AL. I have 25 SME and that's enough to put me at #12 for AL production [24-Aug-24 05:51 PM] igfloz#0000 yeah ? - I mean I know a guy who has masses of C production (multi perm) - hmm, why aren't people sinking into SME ? [24-Aug-24 05:51 PM] tanda#0000 that's probably just getting pumped out as PE/PG/EPO [24-Aug-24 05:52 PM] igfloz#0000 you have a point [24-Aug-24 05:52 PM] tanda#0000 pretty sure that's the real C sink. even 25 SME only burn 65/day of C [24-Aug-24 05:53 PM] tanda#0000 man, MCG is pushed back to the MM again [24-Aug-24 05:54 PM] jcheung#0000 I did notice that [24-Aug-24 05:54 PM] jcheung#0000 Sold just in time for a loan payment to tick [24-Aug-24 05:55 PM] tanda#0000 oh, that must have been me buying that, lol [24-Aug-24 05:56 PM] igfloz#0000 ...and the money circle continues, lol [24-Aug-24 05:57 PM] tanda#0000 I have definitely bought stuff from people only to turn around and sell stuff back to them {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜… [24-Aug-24 05:58 PM] jcheung#0000 Nope. Ironhoof minerals, whoever that is [24-Aug-24 05:58 PM] jcheung#0000 Was around 30 or 40 hrs ago [24-Aug-24 05:59 PM] sidepipe#0000 I have definitely loaned people money for them to turn around and buy things from me ๐Ÿ˜ [24-Aug-24 05:59 PM] igfloz#0000 lol, now, thats just "business" [24-Aug-24 06:14 PM] jcheung#0000 i did this to jvaler [24-Aug-24 06:15 PM] jcheung#0000 borrowed a couple mil, used a bunch to buy afabs from her [24-Aug-24 06:45 PM] jcheung#0000 ...i feel like i'm doing this wrong {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1277051275774656562/image.png?ex=6814b06e&is=68135eee&hm=22689226c95a62d75f0bc89d61c3b4ab54b1768e4cf2dbda94873b67fe27b090& [24-Aug-24 06:46 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Shh! We don't speak of our loyalty conversion rates! [24-Aug-24 06:46 PM] tanda#0000 me too! it feels really weird [24-Aug-24 06:47 PM] jcheung#0000 i mean it's more efficient than a stock ship [24-Aug-24 06:47 PM] jcheung#0000 but, uh... hmm. [24-Aug-24 06:48 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I genuinely dont mind... A person you interact with, and has a better upkeep time, is better than something random on the CX, or UFO discord. [24-Aug-24 06:48 PM] igfloz#0000 it's the volume that throws you. Imagine 1000t of feathers, how big do you think that pile would be ? [24-Aug-24 06:49 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bHZAy.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/vacuumsealer-tool-gif-22838840 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/2cAnKof6nwco2v4V8F8YBQUP_MJEUaM29xV1UN0rWCM/https/media.tenor.com/iYwNxXyTElEAAAAe/vacuumsealer-tool.png [24-Aug-24 06:50 PM] igfloz#0000 OK, now do that to ALO or AL ??? [24-Aug-24 06:50 PM] tanda#0000 there should be a building that processes H into liquid H [24-Aug-24 06:50 PM] jcheung#0000 eh. AL weighs enough that volume is only a minor concern ๐Ÿ˜„ [24-Aug-24 06:50 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Welp, if we're gonna do the maths 1k t, is one-thousand metric tons, about 1/2 of an LCB. [24-Aug-24 06:50 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm mixed on this. i think we would need shipping containers or something to put the LH2 in [24-Aug-24 06:51 PM] igfloz#0000 ...anyhoo, I still think it's the volume that throws people off [24-Aug-24 06:51 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 A week? maybe [24-Aug-24 06:51 PM] tanda#0000 we already have gas containers, giving them another use wouldn't be a bad idea [24-Aug-24 06:51 PM] jcheung#0000 wait. gas containers? [24-Aug-24 06:51 PM] tanda#0000 but then VCBs would probably not be nearly as popular after a while [24-Aug-24 06:51 PM] jcheung#0000 did i miss a memo? [24-Aug-24 06:52 PM] igfloz#0000 so.... if you compress a gas (volume) into liquid, does it weigh more ? [24-Aug-24 06:52 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Ohh gawd, we've found out about Astroneers. [24-Aug-24 06:52 PM] tanda#0000 nope? its "mat GC" {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [24-Aug-24 06:52 PM] tanda#0000 just their only purpose is being made into HMS [24-Aug-24 06:53 PM] jcheung#0000 yesnt. the liquid itself doesn't weigh more, but the support equipment you would need may increase weight [24-Aug-24 06:54 PM] jcheung#0000 there's a difference between an air bottle and LH2 storage... and it's pretty big [24-Aug-24 06:54 PM] jcheung#0000 LH2 is actually incredibly tricky to contain... doubly so to do it safely [24-Aug-24 06:55 PM] tanda#0000 that's fine, having more things like that to manufacture couldn't be bad for gameplay [24-Aug-24 06:59 PM] tanda#0000 okay, this RAT price is officially hurting my soul [24-Aug-24 07:00 PM] jcheung#0000 right? [24-Aug-24 07:01 PM] tanda#0000 good thing this is nearing the last time I will have to buy RAT {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [24-Aug-24 07:02 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'm doing my best to make them, but base decoupling to SE-110 is 21 days out. There's also no shipyard at Harmonia's system, so further RAT production is troublesome, atl least for me. [24-Aug-24 07:03 PM] tanda#0000 I'm working on establishing SE-110 this coming week. Should have the majority of the materials ready to go [24-Aug-24 07:05 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'd like to say its due to the influx of new players, but from what Ive been seeing, the larger, more established players, have been buying out my ASK.RAT orders, intra-day. [24-Aug-24 07:05 PM] tanda#0000 possibly the majority of older players have mostly stopped producing RAT? [24-Aug-24 07:05 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ^ Yes [24-Aug-24 07:05 PM] tanda#0000 it definitely feels like the older the player the more they've moved up the food chain, so to speak [24-Aug-24 07:06 PM] jcheung#0000 nom [24-Aug-24 07:06 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I mean, yeah?!?.. But they're just chasing fake production margins, provided by FIO. [24-Aug-24 07:07 PM] tanda#0000 or just trying to make more complex things [24-Aug-24 07:07 PM] tanda#0000 money is nice, but spaceships are better [24-Aug-24 07:09 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Most of the RAT uptake , into higher tiers, is into FIM/MEA production, when considered in-volume, is used by the SE/SLs for EDC/IDC production. [24-Aug-24 07:09 PM] tanda#0000 well that's just boring [24-Aug-24 07:10 PM] tanda#0000 then again, I can't really talk. I have an EDC base [24-Aug-24 07:10 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 A capital sink, for inceased ROI turnover, it is. [24-Aug-24 07:30 PM] tanda#0000 If I were to settle a brand new planet, how long would it take me to get 800 PIO? {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [24-Aug-24 07:42 PM] jcheung#0000 of course i would forget to offload material before sending my ship back. again. why wouldn't i. [24-Aug-24 08:12 PM] tanda#0000 I feel that [24-Aug-24 08:12 PM] tanda#0000 4 hours of flight time down the drain [24-Aug-24 11:25 PM] tanda#0000 Does anyone extract CLI? [25-Aug-24 12:25 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I could on Halcyon itโ€™s a simple switch to get some of that [25-Aug-24 12:26 AM] tanda#0000 I need around 117u/day, but I was hoping to drop my cost below 300/u [25-Aug-24 12:27 AM] tanda#0000 that does also make your logistics issue out there slightly worse, is that okay? [25-Aug-24 03:14 AM] laaxus#0000 Yeah Price of PE is falling [25-Aug-24 03:14 AM] laaxus#0000 I blame archiel article {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [25-Aug-24 03:28 AM] tanda#0000 eh, it's not really going anywhere. It's price stabilized at 9/unit [25-Aug-24 03:30 AM] tanda#0000 would need to sell through both Insula's and Archiel's buys to really fall far [25-Aug-24 03:32 AM] laaxus#0000 I know I don't really mind much [25-Aug-24 03:32 AM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, almost 400k of buy orders at the 9/u level. ๐Ÿ˜› [25-Aug-24 03:32 AM] laaxus#0000 I was mostly joking [25-Aug-24 03:32 AM] laaxus#0000 but going from 10 to 9 means a loss of 25% of the profit [25-Aug-24 03:32 AM] akyantor#0000 That said, wouldn't be surprised if a few people went PE after seeing the post. ๐Ÿ˜› [25-Aug-24 03:33 AM] tanda#0000 if PE falls enough, I might consider slapping down some PP1's strictly to make BDE [25-Aug-24 03:34 AM] akyantor#0000 I use some of my PE for that purpose, as there's generally not all that much non-MM offers for BDE [25-Aug-24 03:34 AM] akyantor#0000 That said, I've nearly continously used my own supply of BDE rather than selling it, for expansion. [25-Aug-24 03:34 AM] laaxus#0000 isn't it better roi wise to just buy from MM ? [25-Aug-24 03:35 AM] tanda#0000 sure, but when I think Bfabs I think about the newer ADI members, not my own needs [25-Aug-24 03:35 AM] akyantor#0000 I'm pretty sure I'm making it for well below the MM price given I'm manufacturing the input materials. [25-Aug-24 03:36 AM] akyantor#0000 Even buying the materials has a 10 day ROI at the current price. [25-Aug-24 03:36 AM] akyantor#0000 When using the PE reciepe. [25-Aug-24 03:37 AM] laaxus#0000 if you say so [25-Aug-24 03:40 AM] tanda#0000 looks like if you're buying PE straight off the market, you can make BDE at 1700/unit [25-Aug-24 03:40 AM] tanda#0000 it gets cheaper when you manufacture PE, obviously [25-Aug-24 03:41 AM] laaxus#0000 I disagree on this train of thought [25-Aug-24 03:41 AM] tanda#0000 opportunity cost is a slippery slope [25-Aug-24 03:41 AM] laaxus#0000 If you sell at ask price and buy at ask price, it doesn't increase profit to produce your input goods [25-Aug-24 03:41 AM] tanda#0000 to me the opportunity is being able to supply cheap bfabs [25-Aug-24 03:41 AM] tanda#0000 make that ADI grant go farther [25-Aug-24 03:42 AM] akyantor#0000 It ignores the liquidity point too. If there's more demand for BDE than PE then it doesn't matter if on paper you could make more by selling the PE, as eventually the price is driven down. [25-Aug-24 03:43 AM] akyantor#0000 There will always be demand for BDE as folks need it to expand / repair existing bases, whereas there **may **be a smaller pool of available buyers for the intermediary product. [25-Aug-24 03:44 AM] laaxus#0000 i see [25-Aug-24 03:47 AM] akyantor#0000 That said.. a lot of people have the same opinion about the buy/sell point for intermediary products. I tend to lean towards buying consumables, but building out the full supply chain for an end product (for example I make nearly all the products to enable me to make bfab/lfab - which makes expansion very cheap for me as I'm only paying the consumable cost). There are plenty of folks who don't do that though. [25-Aug-24 03:49 AM] akyantor#0000 I was offering the bfabs/lfabs to ADI, but in a rapid expansion phase at the moment so is currently unavailable. I'd intend on making it avaialble again to help folks maximise their ADI grant, as Tanda and other folks have done with reducing the cost of goods like INS. For example, I was able to offer BDE at 1,600/u... well below market. [25-Aug-24 05:16 AM] jvaler#0000 i produce 213/d for rise, and last i heard rise has lots of excess. @riseoffilth? [25-Aug-24 05:16 AM] jvaler#0000 at least i think i remember that excess comment being about CLI... [25-Aug-24 07:57 AM] marat_sh#0000 people buy PE in bulk, they might not need it right now but will be in a future [25-Aug-24 07:58 AM] marat_sh#0000 but diversifying helps with that issue [25-Aug-24 10:22 AM] archielvahr#0000 Sadly my HCC base uses 12k PE a day, so my intent wasn't price stabilization, just to feed my base [25-Aug-24 10:23 AM] archielvahr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1277287120746319882/firefox_2024-08-25_10-22-13.png?ex=6814e354&is=681391d4&hm=b7ad3ff534f0a94d9ba05025a6876dc85730486e85f100d6b42392e0d0fd0208& [25-Aug-24 10:23 AM] archielvahr#0000 Amt. needed: 544k ๐Ÿ˜ญ [25-Aug-24 10:23 AM] archielvahr#0000 But I am going to start chilling out on HCC production [25-Aug-24 10:24 AM] akyantor#0000 ouch.. [25-Aug-24 10:24 AM] archielvahr#0000 JeanPaul has been my supplier lately ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Aug-24 10:30 AM] marat_sh#0000 I make a bit more then your daily ๐Ÿ˜… [25-Aug-24 10:43 AM] laaxus#0000 I was not satisfied with Prunplanner so I decided to make it again in excel {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1277292319590318134/image.png?ex=6814e82b&is=681396ab&hm=228f84ca5b53bcebbdc5661637aea01eb1747e3a7cff0857d0c9a436e85a5931& [25-Aug-24 10:44 AM] laaxus#0000 Only implementing 2000 (or however many) recipes remains [25-Aug-24 10:44 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1277292493871911024/bgf8f8f8-flat750x075f-pad750x1000f8f8f8.jpg?ex=6814e855&is=681396d5&hm=1a3f46b6fbcbcc2736f33a9dd5ae86d50a6c6cb8fb2ceed256e6e9432c6a75b6& [25-Aug-24 10:57 AM] avalock#0000 what part were you not satisfied from :o [25-Aug-24 10:58 AM] laaxus#0000 Many things [25-Aug-24 10:59 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://tenor.com/view/hamilton-satisfied-i-will-never-be-satisfied-angelica-schuyler-gif-17773715 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/hamilton-satisfied-i-will-never-be-satisfied-angelica-schuyler-gif-17773715 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/gDl_1hCszala9tULPugLikYVDU1fm9Om_US9Lx-cTKk/https/media.tenor.com/HL_LgVef8msAAAAe/hamilton-satisfied.png [25-Aug-24 10:59 AM] laaxus#0000 1) when the (CX) Price doesn't exist ( no ask order for exemple) it put 0, leading to false calculation of profit and roi [25-Aug-24 11:01 AM] avalock#0000 ahhh okay [25-Aug-24 11:01 AM] laaxus#0000 2) When there's a large spread, I would like to be able to calculate and compare the profit for the AVG,ask,bid (and custom) Price [25-Aug-24 11:03 AM] laaxus#0000 3) with this sheet, I'll know the roi of every recipe in Real Time, without manually checking them 1 by 1 [25-Aug-24 11:04 AM] laaxus#0000 4) I needed the data for future project and the api is lacking [25-Aug-24 11:05 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 This here is the target audience for this game [25-Aug-24 11:06 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 You are going to have a long and prosperous Prun career mon ami [25-Aug-24 11:07 AM] laaxus#0000 I Hope so [25-Aug-24 11:09 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Once you โ€œgetโ€ it, the game is really fun {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [25-Aug-24 11:10 AM] laaxus#0000 I just need more capital MOREEEEEEE [25-Aug-24 11:10 AM] laaxus#0000 (and not investing in low roi) [25-Aug-24 11:11 AM] laaxus#0000 Who sells one O at a time ?? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1277299400753807442/image.png?ex=6814eec4&is=68139d44&hm=64641e25e72435f82e6341ad66faa3f475edd63648fbeacc3b995daa8d938ef2& [25-Aug-24 11:11 AM] avalock#0000 yeee, I was just curious :3 thank you for the information [25-Aug-24 11:15 AM] jcheung#0000 you can put in a manual override on specific items [25-Aug-24 11:16 AM] jcheung#0000 they even can be saved per planet [25-Aug-24 11:16 AM] jcheung#0000 can set up several empires with different CX price combinations [25-Aug-24 11:18 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Thatโ€™s also what I did since Iโ€™m in multiple region. Helps keep tracks of consumption when there are indรฉpendant hubs [25-Aug-24 11:18 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 So I know how much Hal for example Iโ€™m consuming in Mor vs Ant [25-Aug-24 11:57 AM] razenpok#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183247926995189790/1275186140202401793 :kekw: [25-Aug-24 12:11 PM] laaxus#0000 it was inevitable [25-Aug-24 12:12 PM] riseoffilth#0000 this is true [25-Aug-24 12:30 PM] jvaler#0000 implementing recipes? you're not manually inputting recipes are you? there's a FIO .csv endpoint for that iirc [25-Aug-24 12:31 PM] jvaler#0000 @tanda ^ [25-Aug-24 12:32 PM] laaxus#0000 yes but it's unusable [25-Aug-24 12:32 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1277319648341397554/image.png?ex=6815019f&is=6813b01f&hm=b90e7f0101abf1b9b16f497debca9c917168e50a79e93235de694e69a7761f85& [25-Aug-24 12:32 PM] jvaler#0000 oh..... yeah that sucks [25-Aug-24 12:32 PM] laaxus#0000 . [25-Aug-24 12:33 PM] laaxus#0000 yeah, the api is not great Price is convenient tho [25-Aug-24 12:34 PM] jvaler#0000 hmmm i wonder if the updated fio they're making is any better at it [25-Aug-24 12:34 PM] jvaler#0000 lemme check [25-Aug-24 12:35 PM] jvaler#0000 doesn't look like it :/ [25-Aug-24 12:35 PM] laaxus#0000 it's ok [25-Aug-24 12:36 PM] laaxus#0000 I wouldn't have done it If I didn't like doing those kind of things [25-Aug-24 12:36 PM] jvaler#0000 https://api.fnar.net/index.html if you find any of it useful {Reactions} โœ… [25-Aug-24 12:44 PM] tanda#0000 If that's cool, how much would you want p/u for delivery on Elon? [25-Aug-24 12:50 PM] jcheung#0000 i wonder if the json is any better [25-Aug-24 12:50 PM] jcheung#0000 also i wouldn't say it's totally unusable [25-Aug-24 12:51 PM] jcheung#0000 you can split by space, -, x, =, >, `,` [25-Aug-24 12:53 PM] jcheung#0000 though perhaps starting split with ` : ` followed by `=>` would be best, then you have building, list of inputs, list of outputs [25-Aug-24 12:53 PM] jcheung#0000 and can further split from there [25-Aug-24 01:00 PM] laaxus#0000 now that I think about it I might be able to export into the format I desire using python and panda [25-Aug-24 01:01 PM] razenpok#0000 Use json endpoints then, they are structured better [25-Aug-24 01:07 PM] jvaler#0000 same as rise, 200 AIC/u [25-Aug-24 01:08 PM] tanda#0000 works for me, that drops my I cost down to 600 for materials [25-Aug-24 01:10 PM] tanda#0000 ~~I would need about 1k a month~~ never mind I'm a derp [25-Aug-24 01:11 PM] jvaler#0000 ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1277329478477156463/image.png?ex=68150ac7&is=6813b947&hm=8ebc52ccf35e2b625f4268d1e0287ba27a73ce65eb26df01f01ed9e3ec76359e& [25-Aug-24 01:16 PM] tanda#0000 ...it would help if I read how much CLI I need rather than how much I I need [25-Aug-24 01:16 PM] tanda#0000 yes, 117u/day, about 1k every 10 days [25-Aug-24 01:21 PM] jvaler#0000 lolol [25-Aug-24 01:33 PM] laaxus#0000 oh wait, there are recipes with 2 ouputs [25-Aug-24 01:33 PM] laaxus#0000 why does that exists [25-Aug-24 01:33 PM] laaxus#0000 it's fustratingly annoying [25-Aug-24 01:34 PM] marat_sh#0000 did you find NA byproduct ? ๐Ÿ˜… [25-Aug-24 01:34 PM] tanda#0000 lol, the game thinks CL is the byproduct [25-Aug-24 01:34 PM] laaxus#0000 there are exactly 4 recipes with 2 outputs [25-Aug-24 01:35 PM] laaxus#0000 WAIT IM A GENIOUS [25-Aug-24 01:35 PM] laaxus#0000 I CAN CONSIDER THE SECOND OUTPUT AS NEGATIVE INPUT {Reactions} actualchadthink [25-Aug-24 01:35 PM] laaxus#0000 and everything still works [25-Aug-24 01:36 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/marex-prankex-gif-829174985217247895 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/marex-prankex-gif-829174985217247895 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/lBMAeLCxOC_O5YTI5YZ0pbMBAFu5Q_7v28Yi21PYqwY/https/media.tenor.com/C4HSQYKDipcAAAAe/marex-prankex.png [25-Aug-24 01:36 PM] sidepipe#0000 Honestly NA does feel like a negative input {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ kekw [25-Aug-24 01:38 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‚ [25-Aug-24 05:43 PM] laaxus#0000 This took way too long [25-Aug-24 05:43 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/squidward-college-done-finals-tired-gif-5098650 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/squidward-college-done-finals-tired-gif-5098650 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/aAaSSTi3IpJqbbhjaFB1y1tpOQ1BWTtoO_p-vCCTVus/https/media.tenor.com/bmLunVuDGrQAAAAe/squidward-college.png [25-Aug-24 10:52 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1277475805747744819/image.png?ex=6814ea4e&is=681398ce&hm=505ab387be1f765f45e94f67d5500733a50a95e66d2a8e65b754c424e58f79b7& [25-Aug-24 10:52 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bIQiy.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-worried-scared-look-gif-23041456 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/SRaXHTVbS3mzzilsgoF1ut3HCf2811Gx2SPldyP8o0A/https/media.tenor.com/7oJPa53XCMkAAAAe/side-eye-dog.png [26-Aug-24 01:12 AM] jcheung#0000 i'm on a roll. forgot to load the entire reason for me dispatching a ship to this location [26-Aug-24 01:12 AM] jcheung#0000 ....guess i get to send the next ship too [26-Aug-24 02:28 AM] laaxus#0000 and here goes my hopes for market manipulation {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1277530190582517853/image.png?ex=68147434&is=681322b4&hm=7ec52fb0719f54b21eb9a5703c200aafc25bf6d7383964dbc07e7e345c11b080& [26-Aug-24 02:29 AM] razenpok#0000 ~~Ask another person to help you, there are no market fees~~ [26-Aug-24 02:30 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah I know that I could just ask someone or make a second account [26-Aug-24 02:30 AM] laaxus#0000 but that's beyond what I'd allow myself to do [26-Aug-24 02:30 AM] laaxus#0000 not fun [26-Aug-24 02:30 AM] razenpok#0000 And probably against terms of service [26-Aug-24 02:30 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah [26-Aug-24 02:30 AM] laaxus#0000 *** definitly *** against ToS {Reactions} blobmaybe ๐Ÿ‘† [26-Aug-24 04:43 AM] jvaler#0000 that's what shows up when you try to place a buy order at the same price as your own ask order, right? a second person would just buy from said ask order then lol do what's done with H2O.AI1 and just make the spread as small as possible [26-Aug-24 04:44 AM] laaxus#0000 it's ok, what I wanted to do happened by itself anyway [26-Aug-24 10:22 AM] jvaler#0000 oh no, PT.AI1 reached my order i must hold the line for the sake of antares {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1277649310607212554/image.png?ex=6814e325&is=681391a5&hm=59dc8505cadeb3f275653a42c6a21b127f6ecd840415d76fac9eb8c75aa968d2& [26-Aug-24 10:23 AM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฑ [26-Aug-24 10:30 AM] realharvey#0000 someone bought alot at 450 AIC [26-Aug-24 10:31 AM] realharvey#0000 but the market looks fine for now [26-Aug-24 10:31 AM] realharvey#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1277651560733610117/image.png?ex=6814e53d&is=681393bd&hm=24e2a3abf64e03301bb368ddd97efcd2e6329e72fd39e56cca761c9da29298a9& [26-Aug-24 10:32 AM] jvaler#0000 people kept producing and selling at 450/u, so i'm sure CXOB will fill out again... i think... [26-Aug-24 10:33 AM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1277652168060571750/image.png?ex=6814e5ce&is=6813944e&hm=1175a0ac0e521c5e965388252d5b93c21d6b28d282c15785337994f6a7bad7cb& [26-Aug-24 10:33 AM] marat_sh#0000 1000 PT were bought [26-Aug-24 10:35 AM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1277652719938572399/image.png?ex=6814e652&is=681394d2&hm=f9a0ba31d562785ed9a0cf87e187ec1dd5b9fb3dea4c260a053bb2c91a8c6927& [26-Aug-24 10:35 AM] marat_sh#0000 + another 500 a bit later [26-Aug-24 10:36 AM] marat_sh#0000 I wonder who need 1500 PT [26-Aug-24 10:38 AM] laaxus#0000 Why is the PT market so important ? [26-Aug-24 10:39 AM] akyantor#0000 A lottery prize for a years supply of PT. ๐Ÿ˜› [26-Aug-24 10:39 AM] jcheung#0000 it's a fairly low tier consumable [26-Aug-24 10:39 AM] jcheung#0000 so a lot of people need it [26-Aug-24 10:39 AM] jcheung#0000 _eyes rats_ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ ๐Ÿ€ [26-Aug-24 10:40 AM] marat_sh#0000 A lot of people use it (basic consumable for Settlers) but you don't need it in large quantities [26-Aug-24 10:41 AM] marat_sh#0000 so the price will stay at high point for a while unless people dump their PT stockpiles [26-Aug-24 10:59 AM] jvaler#0000 it's not really lmfao i just happen to keep tabs on it cause i make a stupid amount of PT [26-Aug-24 11:00 AM] laaxus#0000 I know that feeling [26-Aug-24 11:06 AM] marat_sh#0000 6.1K would take a while to fill [26-Aug-24 11:06 AM] marat_sh#0000 even if you are the only supplier of PT [26-Aug-24 03:52 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm considering taking a 10M loan to create 3 bases for RAT and DW (/s) WTH are those prices [26-Aug-24 03:56 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Agri sucks, no one want to do FP since they have to also do the farms [26-Aug-24 03:56 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 But if you want to do it, please do! [26-Aug-24 03:56 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Need increase supply [26-Aug-24 03:56 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 With HYF itโ€™s not so so bad [26-Aug-24 04:03 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm building a FP base For now I'm buying from the market IF it increases the prices and incentive more farming, then great [26-Aug-24 04:04 PM] archielvahr#0000 The return per dollar on FP bases is good, but the return per permit is poor, as you grow the latter becomes much more important than the former. [26-Aug-24 04:04 PM] laaxus#0000 Honestly, at the moment, what I need is big ROI [26-Aug-24 04:05 PM] laaxus#0000 the cost of expanding is low so low ROI > Revenue per permit [26-Aug-24 04:05 PM] laaxus#0000 however, I'd like your opinion [26-Aug-24 04:05 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 that is indeed the case for a good while [26-Aug-24 04:05 PM] laaxus#0000 what's good profit per permit ? Medium ? Bad ? What's your benchmark ? [26-Aug-24 04:05 PM] marat_sh#0000 60k+ I say pretty good [26-Aug-24 04:05 PM] jcheung#0000 to start i think 30-50k is reasonable target [26-Aug-24 04:06 PM] marat_sh#0000 120k+ amazing [26-Aug-24 04:06 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 can only speak for myslef, i was aiming 75k once past hq 10 [26-Aug-24 04:06 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah if you are brand new and you have unused permits, I would say go for it [26-Aug-24 04:06 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 1-10 roi roi roi [26-Aug-24 04:07 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 higher profits do help cover the ship youll end up needing [26-Aug-24 04:07 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 thats a secondary thing to consider. if your base needs 50% of a ship, it cost 2.5-3 mil extra [26-Aug-24 04:08 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 if it need only 1 lcb per week, thats only 800k-1 mil in ship [26-Aug-24 04:08 PM] marat_sh#0000 + if you time it correctly you can scrap the permit instead of repairing it [26-Aug-24 04:08 PM] laaxus#0000 wdym ? [26-Aug-24 04:08 PM] marat_sh#0000 buildings lose condition [26-Aug-24 04:08 PM] marat_sh#0000 you need to repair them [26-Aug-24 04:08 PM] laaxus#0000 agree until now [26-Aug-24 04:09 PM] marat_sh#0000 it's for future when you will value permits more then cash [26-Aug-24 04:09 PM] laaxus#0000 Oh ok I understand When your base needs to be repaired, you can just destroy the building and start anew [26-Aug-24 04:10 PM] marat_sh#0000 yeah You get some materials back [26-Aug-24 04:10 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 anew with something more profitable [26-Aug-24 04:11 PM] marat_sh#0000 ^ yeah something more profitable, don't destroy building just to build the same one again [26-Aug-24 04:11 PM] laaxus#0000 ofc [26-Aug-24 04:12 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1277737508884578304/image.png?ex=68148c89&is=68133b09&hm=ef6ccf3ab90f2fff55b0b8b8be66e566338da209fbd11397ceb9fa4b385b9657& [26-Aug-24 04:20 PM] laaxus#0000 my bmp are fine thank you [26-Aug-24 04:20 PM] laaxus#0000 I won't forget where I'm coming from [26-Aug-24 04:38 PM] jvaler#0000 BMPs are always good ๐Ÿ™Œ [26-Aug-24 04:47 PM] marat_sh#0000 I am gonna just relocate them to other planet and use space for PPF or WPL [27-Aug-24 04:46 AM] laaxus#0000 NOOOOO I forgot to unload a few cargo on my trading route [27-Aug-24 04:46 AM] laaxus#0000 Why do I have FLX on my RAT production base ?? [27-Aug-24 05:12 AM] razenpok#0000 Probably a reward for faction contract [27-Aug-24 05:14 AM] laaxus#0000 no, it's just me who forgot to unload it on deimos {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [27-Aug-24 06:41 PM] laaxus#0000 How long does it take for the population to grow ? It's been stuck like this for a few days {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278137360030367804/image.png?ex=6814af6d&is=68135ded&hm=d5ad39e7e1ada96ff6da808119295061368a60ff4c14d6d9cc496e2dd84d03b0& [27-Aug-24 06:49 PM] jvaler#0000 population gets distributed whenever POPR gets a new report every 7 days [27-Aug-24 06:49 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278139375229861938/image.png?ex=6814b14d&is=68135fcd&hm=23e32b4c4c2981e221044b3e1ddcece7757800b2ffbe8ceeaf24c3f539f2c9f2& [27-Aug-24 07:03 PM] laaxus#0000 ok thx [28-Aug-24 02:51 PM] razenpok#0000 Talking about cheaper, @riseoffilth is this what you wanted, you rascal? :wokecato: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278441916442083328/image.png?ex=68147991&is=68132811&hm=c52a1119ac7f1f9bd0c2b5799c9379d42b5d9981d4bb52ff62a2f0827f914460& [28-Aug-24 02:52 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dogg-yes-yes-yes-oh-fo-sho-for-sure-nods-gif-12018369 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dogg-yes-yes-yes-oh-fo-sho-for-sure-nods-gif-12018369 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/4nnTSK9RXsQNiaMGIDxfBkY1S6APv8qSIoRpgQpGDgQ/https/media.tenor.com/p_su_s9GCa4AAAAe/snoop-dogg-yes-yes-yes.png [28-Aug-24 02:59 PM] marat_sh#0000 OFF at 85 is good as long as EPO stays around 150-155 [28-Aug-24 03:38 PM] laaxus#0000 Why did the ROI of my PE production went from 5 to 16 ? WHY ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278453581900419175/image.png?ex=6814846e&is=681332ee&hm=9567cdf7b0bd7007d8dbbff597dee7907645f81b3d20739bb2024d005cba45b6& [28-Aug-24 03:38 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278453645737857116/image.png?ex=6814847d&is=681332fd&hm=535c2aa8cc185780b4c28dff2a37214939ae660eecad710436b10a84b240e624& [28-Aug-24 03:38 PM] laaxus#0000 oh that's why {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278453732257955911/image.png?ex=68148492&is=68133312&hm=75ede7fdeccdfaf2b305236ca0fd4fe90befa401e578b059a461f4a5cb3569cd& {Reactions} kekw [28-Aug-24 03:39 PM] laaxus#0000 Anyway, H production so hot right now [28-Aug-24 04:31 PM] laaxus#0000 Another day spent improving my excel sheet [28-Aug-24 04:31 PM] laaxus#0000 In game time played : 15m max [28-Aug-24 05:41 PM] laaxus#0000 I can't even build my own H extraction base I don't have the shipping capacity to export it [28-Aug-24 05:41 PM] laaxus#0000 what a hard time to be a pe producer [28-Aug-24 05:47 PM] jvaler#0000 oh wait yeah H is more expensive [28-Aug-24 05:47 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm ngl i didn't even notice ๐Ÿ˜ญ [28-Aug-24 05:48 PM] jvaler#0000 "what could H cost, 200 AIC/u?" [28-Aug-24 05:50 PM] marat_sh#0000 it's ether someone stopped dropping H at CX or People foundout about PE [28-Aug-24 05:50 PM] .shiva.#0000 PE is still making money hand over fist though? [28-Aug-24 05:50 PM] laaxus#0000 yeah but not as much [28-Aug-24 05:51 PM] marat_sh#0000 easy to make and being bought in large stacks [28-Aug-24 05:53 PM] marat_sh#0000 either way works for me Since MCG is hot as well ๐Ÿ˜… (not as hot as two days ago) [28-Aug-24 05:54 PM] .shiva.#0000 oh no the ROI is like almost a week now instead of like 3 days lol [28-Aug-24 05:54 PM] laaxus#0000 MCG ROI also decreased but I don't know why [28-Aug-24 05:54 PM] jvaler#0000 16d is pretty bad actually... hm [28-Aug-24 05:54 PM] marat_sh#0000 17k+ MCG in ask orders [28-Aug-24 05:55 PM] marat_sh#0000 that weren't there two days ago [28-Aug-24 05:55 PM] jcheung#0000 MCG went back up recently to MM for a bit [28-Aug-24 05:55 PM] laaxus#0000 wth [28-Aug-24 05:56 PM] laaxus#0000 my theory is that everybody followed archiel article and printed PE Price fell Everybody swtiched to MCG Price fell [28-Aug-24 05:56 PM] jcheung#0000 So if i had to guess, the price surge kicjed a couple people into putting out some of their stockpiles [28-Aug-24 05:56 PM] marat_sh#0000 There was 0 supply of MCG for a few days [28-Aug-24 05:56 PM] jvaler#0000 i didn't realize PT was as good as it is rn tho... i'mma drop my CXOS down to 450 AIC/u [28-Aug-24 05:57 PM] jvaler#0000 PT bomb {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278488546088456313/image.png?ex=6814a4fe&is=6813537e&hm=d3e71b0fb4ba0416ba12979b3d4078f60e2b15b55a1d5095ba6f8e021a6e2a2a& [28-Aug-24 05:57 PM] jvaler#0000 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/717498714259980378/1093529378253721610/843A5021-FA9C-4C70-9D1A-5E84151D6D7D.gif {Embed} https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/717498714259980378/1093529378253721610/843A5021-FA9C-4C70-9D1A-5E84151D6D7D.gif https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/717498714259980378/1093529378253721610/843A5021-FA9C-4C70-9D1A-5E84151D6D7D.gif?ex=6814ca18&is=68137898&hm=62b1e427dd785d5cf19f97b412f1b870ea1c7c3903b6624a6fa53933cc626f86& [28-Aug-24 05:57 PM] marat_sh#0000 Does it count as market manipulation? ๐Ÿ˜… [28-Aug-24 05:57 PM] jvaler#0000 REP bomb too {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278488758332817559/image.png?ex=6814a531&is=681353b1&hm=35b9364501de5ca6b6eae21b7edab18d25065032f9f6cf279964eb849f4f7b8f& [28-Aug-24 05:58 PM] jcheung#0000 BMP products are easy to see a lot of variability because of how quick they output. What people seem to like to do though is retool the entire base to chase the best profit, which means the not-best sees a massive output reduction [28-Aug-24 05:58 PM] marat_sh#0000 I've been slowly getting reps down from 780 since i've started making them ๐Ÿ˜… [28-Aug-24 06:00 PM] laaxus#0000 REP is the highest recipe by ask price [28-Aug-24 06:00 PM] jvaler#0000 ty for braving the CX for me lmao i'm always scared to lower the price of my big orders due to resellers [28-Aug-24 06:01 PM] jvaler#0000 yup i was checking BMP prices and noticed that, which made me check and decide to lower mine [28-Aug-24 06:02 PM] jvaler#0000 maybe i could make a dent in my stock, it's a lot of illiquid value atm :P [28-Aug-24 06:02 PM] laaxus#0000 4k is 2 weeks worth of sales [28-Aug-24 06:03 PM] marat_sh#0000 probably a bit more [28-Aug-24 06:03 PM] marat_sh#0000 I would say around 2.5-3 weeks [28-Aug-24 06:03 PM] jvaler#0000 hmm [28-Aug-24 06:03 PM] marat_sh#0000 Unless if I keep lowering it ๐Ÿ˜ˆ [28-Aug-24 06:03 PM] jvaler#0000 it's also like 2 months of buildup for myself tho [28-Aug-24 06:05 PM] jvaler#0000 adding up all the people below me i don't make too much of a dent prod wise {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278490597681790976/image.png?ex=6814a6e7&is=68135567&hm=84c3434af4ed0fea00f18305f6573399154ef3297b9382156da2453cbf0871cf& [28-Aug-24 06:05 PM] laaxus#0000 is it production ever ? [28-Aug-24 06:05 PM] jvaler#0000 180d [28-Aug-24 06:05 PM] laaxus#0000 or just like last month [28-Aug-24 06:05 PM] laaxus#0000 ok [28-Aug-24 06:06 PM] jvaler#0000 you can change the range with the dropdown [28-Aug-24 06:07 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278491054555009034/image.png?ex=6814a754&is=681355d4&hm=a6c71b036c5a9963fb09a0711bbb51ee7f8dd376eb32961270f352129a6cb65a& [28-Aug-24 06:07 PM] laaxus#0000 not too bad [28-Aug-24 06:07 PM] jvaler#0000 antares appreciates your help in keeping consumables affordable [28-Aug-24 06:07 PM] laaxus#0000 you might like me [28-Aug-24 06:07 PM] laaxus#0000 ah wait no we are not talking about the same consummables [28-Aug-24 06:08 PM] laaxus#0000 Tho I have a RAT base so it must count [28-Aug-24 06:09 PM] jvaler#0000 every effort counts [28-Aug-24 06:10 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm only #43 in PE... pathetic ๐Ÿ˜” [28-Aug-24 06:14 PM] marat_sh#0000 I was top 10 on pe But lowered it because more people make it [28-Aug-24 06:14 PM] marat_sh#0000 @razesdark i think #1 in antares [28-Aug-24 06:25 PM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278495803152928810/image.png?ex=6814abc0&is=68135a40&hm=83864ee070a955dbdabd7e5ab72786191326a595f5105d22c135df7369288a80& [28-Aug-24 06:25 PM] razenpok#0000 *REPbomb {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278495825655369895/6A74EA9508C927118110DC6420ABA9BE6E9A130E.png?ex=6814abc6&is=68135a46&hm=1959d766065dc866f9c621d6402803e4ce57f408501730cdcf3fc3361f8da98f& [28-Aug-24 06:26 PM] jvaler#0000 real [28-Aug-24 06:26 PM] jvaler#0000 hey wait a minute [28-Aug-24 06:26 PM] razenpok#0000 I'm 5th in 7d lead lmao {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278496019268763710/image.png?ex=6814abf4&is=68135a74&hm=7ad556380e7d3e1a9ca515aaaed22ecf19c8a3f21429084ac10ed716df39ea13& [28-Aug-24 06:26 PM] jvaler#0000 you're not buying Ko-Combine branded REP? [28-Aug-24 06:27 PM] razenpok#0000 I... uhh [28-Aug-24 06:27 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm mildly offended [28-Aug-24 06:27 PM] razenpok#0000 I don't lose my jvaler points for that, right? [28-Aug-24 06:27 PM] razenpok#0000 *right*? [28-Aug-24 06:27 PM] razenpok#0000 ~~I also started my own KOM production~~ [28-Aug-24 06:27 PM] jvaler#0000 the jvaler point database corrputed so you have nothing to lose, unfortunately {Reactions} maxwell [28-Aug-24 06:28 PM] jvaler#0000 woow [28-Aug-24 06:28 PM] jvaler#0000 that's it, negative jvaler points {Reactions} woeisme [28-Aug-24 06:29 PM] jcheung#0000 i'll never make my own KOM [28-Aug-24 06:29 PM] razenpok#0000 My spreadsheets are talking to me [28-Aug-24 06:29 PM] razenpok#0000 They told me to make KOM and REP [28-Aug-24 06:29 PM] jvaler#0000 that's true that's true [28-Aug-24 06:29 PM] razenpok#0000 I am but a slave to =IMPORTDATA [28-Aug-24 06:30 PM] jvaler#0000 +10 jvaler points [28-Aug-24 06:30 PM] jvaler#0000 990 more and you're entitled to 1 complementary :COF: [28-Aug-24 06:31 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿค” [28-Aug-24 06:31 PM] laaxus#0000 Mine are telling me to make WIN and MFE [28-Aug-24 06:32 PM] laaxus#0000 it's not a very trustworthy sheet yet [28-Aug-24 06:32 PM] razenpok#0000 Mine are telling that WIN is hard to supply inputs for and liquidate [28-Aug-24 06:32 PM] jcheung#0000 huh. Ant logi officer is being nice today [28-Aug-24 06:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 my vibes are telling me to make RATs {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‡ท ๐Ÿ‡ช ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ๐Ÿ‡ฑ RAT ๐Ÿ€ [28-Aug-24 06:32 PM] jcheung#0000 actually has some stuff offers that's worth something [28-Aug-24 06:32 PM] laaxus#0000 I can't see why you would think that {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278497591264542760/image.png?ex=6814ad6b&is=68135beb&hm=0f81e174b620cce1416a9122ebfdd86d8e3fd23e8d631f2a3594aa73f8b0eb0b& [28-Aug-24 06:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 see? the vibes are never wrong ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Aug-24 06:33 PM] jcheung#0000 huh. med's that high on the list? [28-Aug-24 06:33 PM] jcheung#0000 maybe i should up my production of that a bit [28-Aug-24 06:34 PM] sidepipe#0000 high profit, low use [28-Aug-24 06:34 PM] sidepipe#0000 well, low-ish. 1k sold this week [28-Aug-24 06:34 PM] razenpok#0000 med is w right now, but the price is coming down already [28-Aug-24 06:34 PM] laaxus#0000 you can exhaust every bid offers in a week [28-Aug-24 06:34 PM] jcheung#0000 looks stable to me [28-Aug-24 06:34 PM] jcheung#0000 well. stable ish [28-Aug-24 06:35 PM] laaxus#0000 and here goes my competitive advantage [28-Aug-24 06:35 PM] laaxus#0000 for a few internet points [28-Aug-24 06:35 PM] razenpok#0000 MED.IC1 is down already, so AI1 is coming next {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278498236897951767/image.png?ex=6814ae05&is=68135c85&hm=3e7e57220bf569a8a792f26e633f363c20fa19d0798b04c476c89d0e33d9720b& [28-Aug-24 06:35 PM] laaxus#0000 WTH 3K ???? [28-Aug-24 06:35 PM] jcheung#0000 i have literally 6 CHPs and they're tasked with other stuff. don't worry i'm not making that much [28-Aug-24 06:36 PM] laaxus#0000 those who made med at 3k were FILTHY RICH [28-Aug-24 06:36 PM] jcheung#0000 if it holds around 1.4k i'd be happy [28-Aug-24 06:36 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278498564833542206/image.png?ex=6814ae53&is=68135cd3&hm=8304676e77f330595cab5373b2ca74d08efdcb00171e6283d8040092ce5717f0& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‡ซ [28-Aug-24 06:37 PM] razenpok#0000 Ye, it would still be good, but not as much as rn [28-Aug-24 06:37 PM] laaxus#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜ญ [28-Aug-24 06:37 PM] laaxus#0000 1M profit with med at 3K [28-Aug-24 06:37 PM] laaxus#0000 how does that even happen [28-Aug-24 06:37 PM] laaxus#0000 does nobody look at recipe profit ? [28-Aug-24 06:38 PM] razenpok#0000 They did, hence the drop [28-Aug-24 06:38 PM] sidepipe#0000 everyone was happy making CL in their CHPs [28-Aug-24 06:38 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Consider if there are enough buyers at the other end to buy what you make [28-Aug-24 06:38 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Lots of things would be very profitable if people bought them [28-Aug-24 06:38 PM] razenpok#0000 What happened is someone broke the price barrier here {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278499018976006154/image.png?ex=6814aebf&is=68135d3f&hm=53dd8c86c2bf1d17466cb71dcf0a625738db2acc028bbef039f5fc1b1480a67b& [28-Aug-24 06:39 PM] jcheung#0000 i need to start some of that [28-Aug-24 07:50 PM] tanda#0000 my vibes have been telling me to make RATs for a while [28-Aug-24 07:50 PM] tanda#0000 the wallet begged to differ [28-Aug-24 07:50 PM] tanda#0000 but now look at all this fancy infrastructure I own! [28-Aug-24 08:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 did you finally pull the trigger on the thalassa bases? ๐Ÿ™‚ [28-Aug-24 08:06 PM] tanda#0000 FP goes up this weekend. I'm just waiting due to logistics and the POPR on Thalassa b {Reactions} ๐Ÿคค [28-Aug-24 08:06 PM] tanda#0000 I partnered with Evayoo out there, so not having to drop 3 bases in a go helps [29-Aug-24 11:36 AM] jcheung#0000 _eyes the price of MED going up_ [29-Aug-24 11:36 AM] jcheung#0000 _squints_ [29-Aug-24 11:48 AM] laaxus#0000 give me 1M and I crash the med market [29-Aug-24 11:48 AM] jcheung#0000 #agp-operations is about the best you get probably [29-Aug-24 11:48 AM] laaxus#0000 I could fill every bid order in a week [29-Aug-24 11:49 AM] laaxus#0000 nah it's ok, I'm doing fine [29-Aug-24 11:49 AM] laaxus#0000 I just can't invest in a chem base right now [29-Aug-24 11:49 AM] jcheung#0000 why not? [29-Aug-24 11:49 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278758530488336465/002248a-6.webp?ex=6814f7af&is=6813a62f&hm=d25670d0fb5661c0b70306048d85eb5ff973106533810e7b63fa70f9c41193a5& [29-Aug-24 11:50 AM] jcheung#0000 there's a couple people that offer loans too [29-Aug-24 11:50 AM] jcheung#0000 at pretty decent rates at that [29-Aug-24 11:50 AM] laaxus#0000 I took a loan for a RAT base [29-Aug-24 11:50 AM] laaxus#0000 (which is a far better and safer investment) [29-Aug-24 11:50 AM] laaxus#0000 so I'm waiting a bit to pay it back [29-Aug-24 11:51 AM] laaxus#0000 and, then I'll see [29-Aug-24 11:52 AM] jcheung#0000 lowstrife? [29-Aug-24 11:52 AM] jcheung#0000 or someone else [29-Aug-24 11:53 AM] laaxus#0000 Shrewdsum [29-Aug-24 12:01 PM] jcheung#0000 lowstrife and evolivolution offer 3% loans as well. taking one of those may not be the worst idea [29-Aug-24 12:01 PM] laaxus#0000 I fear taking a loan, making a base and not being able to supply it [29-Aug-24 12:02 PM] jcheung#0000 fair [29-Aug-24 12:02 PM] laaxus#0000 I'll wait a week [29-Aug-24 12:02 PM] jcheung#0000 what's your current shipping capacity look like [29-Aug-24 12:02 PM] laaxus#0000 2 starter ship [29-Aug-24 12:02 PM] jcheung#0000 sorry, i mean utilization [29-Aug-24 12:02 PM] laaxus#0000 they're moving constantly at slow speed [29-Aug-24 12:03 PM] laaxus#0000 I could increase the speed but that would eat my profit [29-Aug-24 12:03 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm in the queue for upgrading my ships [29-Aug-24 12:04 PM] laaxus#0000 once I have that, I'll be MUCH more confident [29-Aug-24 12:04 PM] laaxus#0000 and it doesn't hurt to accumulate a bit of cash meanwhile [29-Aug-24 07:51 PM] dizzplaced#0000 My anticipated BMP profits. Gone. Reduced to atoms {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278879702031011850/Screenshot_20240830-104847.png?ex=6814bfc9&is=68136e49&hm=65ad36e32a9cdff20d66d6570aeaeb10bdf903f32ff415f92f27860174fb16c2& [29-Aug-24 07:52 PM] marat_sh#0000 what BMP items are you referring to? ๐Ÿ˜… [29-Aug-24 07:53 PM] marat_sh#0000 EXO got a bit oversupplied others are pretty stable [29-Aug-24 07:54 PM] marat_sh#0000 PE will rise in price since H also have risen [29-Aug-24 07:55 PM] dizzplaced#0000 Just impressed how much of it is negative ATM [29-Aug-24 07:57 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278881239759065179/image.png?ex=6814c138&is=68136fb8&hm=154f76bb042fc1980202aef23b31d99a63b5b29ac71de0f6ca42f4c14d7c74c7& [29-Aug-24 07:57 PM] marat_sh#0000 Everything that is over 3500$/d I consider profitable [29-Aug-24 07:58 PM] marat_sh#0000 REPs price is pretty high still but it's not being traded in high volume [29-Aug-24 07:58 PM] marat_sh#0000 MCG is very HOT now [29-Aug-24 07:58 PM] marat_sh#0000 PE is the most stable [29-Aug-24 07:59 PM] dizzplaced#0000 My figures take a worst outlook from a buy/sell bid/ask [29-Aug-24 08:00 PM] marat_sh#0000 I see [29-Aug-24 08:00 PM] marat_sh#0000 my settings are set to BUY from ASK and SELL at ASK [29-Aug-24 08:00 PM] dizzplaced#0000 I only have 2 ships. MCG sucks with only 1000t of capacity [29-Aug-24 08:00 PM] marat_sh#0000 yeah try to mix them in [29-Aug-24 08:01 PM] marat_sh#0000 my sweet spot is 1000 MCG per day [29-Aug-24 08:01 PM] marat_sh#0000 you can do more if you only care about MCG [29-Aug-24 08:01 PM] marat_sh#0000 but I produce 6 other things [29-Aug-24 08:03 PM] marat_sh#0000 You can try to find a deal with EPO and sell OFFs to @riseoffilth [29-Aug-24 08:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 I am sure he needs them in large quantities [29-Aug-24 08:04 PM] jcheung#0000 I doubt dizz would be pleased with the OFF prices [29-Aug-24 08:04 PM] jcheung#0000 But they are indeed secure [29-Aug-24 08:04 PM] jcheung#0000 And also high volume so they mix well with MCG [29-Aug-24 08:05 PM] dizzplaced#0000 -16k per day after feeding the workers [29-Aug-24 08:05 PM] marat_sh#0000 yeah Rise gets OFF at 85/u if you reduce production cost you can get better margin [29-Aug-24 08:05 PM] jcheung#0000 What are you using to calculate? [29-Aug-24 08:05 PM] marat_sh#0000 Manufacturing is pretty hungry on inputs [29-Aug-24 08:05 PM] jcheung#0000 That doesn't feel right [29-Aug-24 08:06 PM] marat_sh#0000 My daily input is 153k ๐Ÿ˜… [29-Aug-24 08:06 PM] razenpok#0000 246k on heph ๐Ÿ’€ [29-Aug-24 08:07 PM] marat_sh#0000 but hey we probably have the most revenue as well ๐Ÿ˜… [29-Aug-24 08:08 PM] razenpok#0000 I'm at 104k according to prunplanner, or at 80k according to pmmg [29-Aug-24 08:08 PM] razenpok#0000 Could be better, but still good [29-Aug-24 08:09 PM] marat_sh#0000 not the profit... the revenue ๐Ÿ˜… {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278884169635860591/image.png?ex=6814c3f2&is=68137272&hm=3d5d762e77de77e9bd3ec671c582be3adf6c29b9d7cc5580474b28941b1cd9fc& [29-Aug-24 08:09 PM] dizzplaced#0000 (Ask 50 Off-(Bid 20 pg + 20 epo)/mins to prod * 1440 mins per day)*(500/area of worker and BMP) [29-Aug-24 08:09 PM] dizzplaced#0000 Haven't bracketed correctly here but looks right on the spreadsheet [29-Aug-24 08:09 PM] razenpok#0000 Ah, that {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278884376662511626/image.png?ex=6814c423&is=681372a3&hm=4252eb063e6c721258a188784dcaceaaca289723014d4b397b43f65c81ec78b2& [29-Aug-24 08:10 PM] marat_sh#0000 Yeah ^ Big boys numbers {Reactions} Businesscat [29-Aug-24 08:11 PM] jcheung#0000 You can get pg at 20/u? [29-Aug-24 08:11 PM] marat_sh#0000 I am not doing that fancy math ๐Ÿ˜… I just look what sells well [29-Aug-24 08:11 PM] marat_sh#0000 pg at 40/u now i think [29-Aug-24 08:11 PM] razenpok#0000 I think that's number of units [29-Aug-24 08:11 PM] razenpok#0000 50 off [29-Aug-24 08:11 PM] dizzplaced#0000 Yea it's number of units not price {Reactions} ๐Ÿค [29-Aug-24 08:11 PM] dizzplaced#0000 Price pulled from fio [29-Aug-24 08:11 PM] jcheung#0000 Ah. Flying so i get like worse than dialup speed [29-Aug-24 08:12 PM] marat_sh#0000 Main problem with OFF is the EPO price [29-Aug-24 08:12 PM] dizzplaced#0000 I chase every dollarydoo [29-Aug-24 08:13 PM] marat_sh#0000 I don't want to burn myself out of this game just yet ๐Ÿ˜… I do simple calculator pullups and chart observations [29-Aug-24 08:13 PM] jcheung#0000 Well. Either way i don't swe how you're getting negatives with OFF assuming you're using CX values [29-Aug-24 08:13 PM] dizzplaced#0000 You get negatives after you factor in cost of consumables [29-Aug-24 08:14 PM] razenpok#0000 To be fair, BMP output productivity has fallen **hard** this month [29-Aug-24 08:14 PM] jcheung#0000 Figured it out. This doesn't take into account cogc or experts [29-Aug-24 08:14 PM] marat_sh#0000 we got 2-3 new players on manufacturing I think [29-Aug-24 08:14 PM] razenpok#0000 Or lux probs [29-Aug-24 08:15 PM] jcheung#0000 Probably assumes 100% which would be lux but no cogc or expert [29-Aug-24 08:15 PM] dizzplaced#0000 Yea it doesn't. I have a modifier for each base since that changes things [29-Aug-24 08:15 PM] razenpok#0000 I don't think it's new players. I see some oldies undercutting the bmp markets [29-Aug-24 08:15 PM] marat_sh#0000 @jvaler's pipe bombs ๐Ÿ‘€ [29-Aug-24 08:16 PM] dizzplaced#0000 I'm mid move to heph ATM where that'll factor in somewhat [29-Aug-24 08:18 PM] marat_sh#0000 I had the same situation you are having right now... I've started on phobos got 3 bmps... received 750k... build new bmps on heph and slowly disassembled phobos base in a span of 4 days [29-Aug-24 08:19 PM] dizzplaced#0000 I've managed to get it done in around 36hrs but I was almost at the end of a production cycle [29-Aug-24 08:19 PM] dizzplaced#0000 7mins left and I'll do the teardown on Phobos [29-Aug-24 08:20 PM] marat_sh#0000 leave command module [29-Aug-24 08:20 PM] marat_sh#0000 you never know if you gonna place a base on Phobos [29-Aug-24 08:21 PM] dizzplaced#0000 Making electronics? BLASPHEMY [29-Aug-24 08:21 PM] marat_sh#0000 and it doesn't deteriorates [29-Aug-24 08:21 PM] razenpok#0000 Your company hq bonus **is** electronics smh [29-Aug-24 08:21 PM] marat_sh#0000 I mean Antares bonus is Electronics ๐Ÿ˜… {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [29-Aug-24 08:22 PM] dizzplaced#0000 Be the change you want to see in the world ๐Ÿ™Œ [29-Aug-24 08:22 PM] jcheung#0000 Its... not the worst place for a farm or something [29-Aug-24 08:22 PM] marat_sh#0000 BUT... I am a wrong person to judge since I am manufacturing pure blood as well ๐Ÿ˜… [29-Aug-24 08:25 PM] marat_sh#0000 after you get Heph base up and running consider following planets for expansion {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278888263372898335/image.png?ex=6814c7c2&is=68137642&hm=0180ed4781ece48703e27c6895633d1ad491ec7229b2e6ad9492b8da3cbaaa35& [29-Aug-24 08:25 PM] jcheung#0000 Why frown at ast [29-Aug-24 08:26 PM] marat_sh#0000 expansive [29-Aug-24 08:26 PM] jcheung#0000 It's not *that* bad... [29-Aug-24 08:26 PM] marat_sh#0000 a few mil bad ๐Ÿ˜… [29-Aug-24 08:27 PM] jcheung#0000 What? I feel like that's way wrong but i can't look up [29-Aug-24 08:27 PM] marat_sh#0000 Ast is good for WLPs since they take a lot of area and HSE scales per building instead of area {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [29-Aug-24 08:27 PM] jcheung#0000 Well. I do have wpls there [29-Aug-24 08:27 PM] jcheung#0000 And a printer [29-Aug-24 08:28 PM] marat_sh#0000 printers take very little area though [29-Aug-24 08:29 PM] marat_sh#0000 All of them should be settled since there is just 5 planets with manufacturing... but Ast shouldn't be the second option [29-Aug-24 08:30 PM] jcheung#0000 Was my second mfg world ๐Ÿ˜ [29-Aug-24 08:31 PM] marat_sh#0000 I mean... if you have money from loans ๐Ÿ˜… [29-Aug-24 08:31 PM] razenpok#0000 The price difference for wpl base is just 17 HSE worth between ast and LS-934c [29-Aug-24 08:32 PM] razenpok#0000 (200k) [29-Aug-24 08:33 PM] marat_sh#0000 hmm I thought it would be way more... I was checking few weeks ago [29-Aug-24 08:33 PM] marat_sh#0000 nvm then Ast gets a yellow face ๐Ÿ˜… {Reactions} bigblob [29-Aug-24 08:34 PM] marat_sh#0000 oh yeah I know why I was testing it on 20 BMPs I think ๐Ÿ˜… {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’€ [29-Aug-24 09:16 PM] jvaler#0000 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/240196923644968960/1082878484218654821/attachment-4.gif {Embed} https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/240196923644968960/1082878484218654821/attachment-4.gif https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/240196923644968960/1082878484218654821/attachment-4.gif?ex=6814eeed&is=68139d6d&hm=773d65454269e1202af38528ddb46c323f35d419a54b276e276145365c462869& [29-Aug-24 09:17 PM] marat_sh#0000 I should be careful checking my mailboxes from now on ๐Ÿ‘€ [29-Aug-24 09:17 PM] jcheung#0000 Toilet* [29-Aug-24 09:17 PM] jcheung#0000 Pipe bombs not mail bombs [29-Aug-24 09:18 PM] sidepipe#0000 https://tenor.com/view/threat-gif-26347862 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/threat-gif-26347862 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/WT7a8b2Jb55ZM3DA3jtyqdN6-LtU_MBKhMDTKHgyPOI/https/media.tenor.com/L_OnRzKwmasAAAAe/threat.png [29-Aug-24 09:18 PM] jvaler#0000 idek what i have to do with pipe bombs... [29-Aug-24 09:18 PM] jvaler#0000 did they not assume max expert + cogc? it sounds like they just incorperate those numbers later [29-Aug-24 09:18 PM] jvaler#0000 so same result [29-Aug-24 09:18 PM] jvaler#0000 no foul [29-Aug-24 09:29 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1278904441021661235/IMG_9858.png?ex=6814d6d3&is=68138553&hm=dcfa0a6358156b31993bb692ad7024cd16457b739bff144b3a18d5101fe7c009& [29-Aug-24 09:30 PM] marat_sh#0000 PTbombs and REPbombs ๐Ÿ˜… [29-Aug-24 09:58 PM] jvaler#0000 oh yeah [29-Aug-24 09:59 PM] jvaler#0000 Ko-Combine branded PT & REP are always tested to be below the legal limit of explosive material. We pride ourselves in quality assurance. [29-Aug-24 10:00 PM] tanda#0000 well technically water is explosive [29-Aug-24 10:00 PM] jvaler#0000 no the things you add to water are the explosive part [29-Aug-24 10:00 PM] tanda#0000 oh you mean the heat is explosive [29-Aug-24 10:01 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿง [29-Aug-24 10:01 PM] tanda#0000 steam explosions? [29-Aug-24 10:01 PM] jvaler#0000 oh [29-Aug-24 10:01 PM] jvaler#0000 that's pressure tho [29-Aug-24 10:01 PM] jvaler#0000 does that count as an explosion? [29-Aug-24 10:02 PM] jvaler#0000 i meant chemical reaction explosive [29-Aug-24 10:19 PM] jcheung#0000 You can get legit explosions if you send enough electricity into water [29-Aug-24 10:20 PM] jcheung#0000 Breaks it down into hydrogen which explodes nicely [29-Aug-24 10:36 PM] tanda#0000 yep! H + O +O = quite a lot of heat [29-Aug-24 10:47 PM] jcheung#0000 Just becomes water again after too [30-Aug-24 07:04 AM] avalock#0000 https://tenor.com/view/pipe-bomb-so-cool-pipe-bomb-hatsune-miku-gif-3979886170462943769 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/pipe-bomb-so-cool-pipe-bomb-hatsune-miku-gif-3979886170462943769 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/64CbY-9K2N-ZQ6dc_zf1MdpnDv-_cXsVlNRvyVCqlfQ/https/media.tenor.com/NztlYrzu-hkAAAAe/pipe-bomb-so-cool-pipe-bomb.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿฅน [30-Aug-24 07:20 AM] razenpok#0000 Bros {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1279053190851199066/image.png?ex=6814b89c&is=6813671c&hm=009173681e682eaa9f562a3a13ac510e6a232ad15b4f3301983965755e39ba5c& [30-Aug-24 07:20 AM] razenpok#0000 It's so over [30-Aug-24 07:27 AM] marat_sh#0000 Bruh ๐Ÿซก [30-Aug-24 07:28 AM] tanda#0000 what happened? everybody forgot to vote? [30-Aug-24 07:29 AM] razenpok#0000 forgor [30-Aug-24 07:30 AM] tanda#0000 welp, your profits are going to be a bit tighter for a week [30-Aug-24 07:30 AM] tanda#0000 I guess that's a new screen I didn't know I needed [30-Aug-24 07:31 AM] tanda#0000 just pin the COGC for all my planets and make sure everything's going smoothly [30-Aug-24 07:37 AM] akyantor#0000 Top tip, create a mega CoGC voting page for all planets you have a base on: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1279057329894981643/image.png?ex=6814bc77&is=68136af7&hm=cb95155aeca59af3fd72fa6198abd55e3d793e24e2f3c756877de4079bbbb2d2& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [30-Aug-24 07:37 AM] akyantor#0000 Just have to open this occasionally, and don't accidently forget to vote [30-Aug-24 07:48 AM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1279060066590392461/eb0.png?ex=6814bf03&is=68136d83&hm=0a99e4331e7dfd061189832f9d3bbafeed089e9abfff3ff9c7daeef038e4f9cc& [30-Aug-24 09:35 AM] jcheung#0000 F*ck [30-Aug-24 10:13 AM] sidepipe#0000 good news (hopefully) : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1279096754100371577/image.png?ex=6814e12e&is=68138fae&hm=80f12e00b741f5d7f2c2b9110c51cf18f5a58ca838a8f09be4738ffcfb5055a8& {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (2) [30-Aug-24 10:15 AM] sidepipe#0000 i actually started listing RATs on the CX again. hopefully it helps keep prices going down [30-Aug-24 10:31 AM] akyantor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-steve-carell-oh-okay-whatever-gif-11550101 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-steve-carell-oh-okay-whatever-gif-11550101 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/C75E-OvrjsJaP-5Lhz5bUBlemraICipAdS-plZSO8TA/https/media.tenor.com/ONxUbujrBQ4AAAAe/the-office-michael-scott.png [30-Aug-24 10:35 AM] sidepipe#0000 I will gladly take all of the credit after doing none of the work ๐Ÿ˜ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [30-Aug-24 10:37 AM] laaxus#0000 so the prices are going down just after I finished building my rat base ? [30-Aug-24 10:37 AM] laaxus#0000 sadge [30-Aug-24 10:38 AM] sidepipe#0000 Theyโ€™ve still got a ways to go, and thereโ€™s only < 10k listed for under 150 right now [30-Aug-24 10:38 AM] sidepipe#0000 So they may still go up more ๐Ÿ˜„ [30-Aug-24 10:41 AM] razenpok#0000 RAT race :pog: {Reactions} ๐Ÿง  [31-Aug-24 12:08 AM] riseoffilth#0000 yeah, big sad [31-Aug-24 12:08 AM] riseoffilth#0000 inputs were filfilled, but no manufacturing selected ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [31-Aug-24 12:12 AM] jcheung#0000 I wish it would just keep last selected [31-Aug-24 07:21 AM] dizzplaced#0000 Must've overslept [31-Aug-24 07:45 PM] tanda#0000 https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/packages-factions {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/packages-factions Packages and factions :: Prosperous Universe Handbook Prosperous Universe Wiki [31-Aug-24 07:45 PM] tanda#0000 why does this never recommend an Antares planet [31-Aug-24 07:59 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 mmm [31-Aug-24 08:00 PM] getonthetrain#0000 Because Antares is hard level difficulty? [31-Aug-24 08:03 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Message molp in-game... Like you, I didn't see an ANT faction recommendation. Most new-bros pour over the wiki information, like its their Bible (it actually is).... This is #factional_discrimination, if I ever seen it! [31-Aug-24 08:03 PM] tanda#0000 Isn't Antares as a faction relatively new? with the other factions being older? [31-Aug-24 08:04 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yes? But it largely shouldn't matter. The wiki should be #even_keel (distributed). [31-Aug-24 08:04 PM] tanda#0000 I'm just thinking it probably hasn't been rewritten in a while [31-Aug-24 08:04 PM] tanda#0000 which is a different even bigger issue [31-Aug-24 08:05 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 There's distinct realities, which players will pour over, check up on "official" wiki pages, and make their decisions on. [31-Aug-24 08:05 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 No it very likely hasn't. [31-Aug-24 08:06 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I had... a listing of "starter" planets.... [31-Aug-24 08:06 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Could this be had, once more? [31-Aug-24 08:06 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Someone has that info. [31-Aug-24 08:10 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's thoroughly relevant, in that --- all the newbros who ask questions, within in-game COMGs, are getting sent directly to the APEX wiki links... And they are told to learn all of it, exactly. Since ANT starter planets are not being mentioned within the starter profession recommendations --- you're basically losing potential market share, of what will eventually be, in 1-2 years. [31-Aug-24 08:21 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 .... Initial conditions largely dictate individual company expansions, opportunity cost, options... Et.c. E.g. A starter in Insitor space, with x2 500 t/m3 FTL ships, would not want to expand to ANT space, before a certain HQ and ship # basis... IF they would instead have started out in ANT (Harmonia/Deimos, or others), they would be immediately incentive'd with expanding their operations in ANT space, and not HRT, BEN, or anything else, due to #reasons. <---- is done. [01-Sep-24 01:08 PM] jcheung#0000 phew. finally unpacked my laptop and logged in to prun and had 8 conts with less than an hour left to fill ๐Ÿ˜… [01-Sep-24 01:08 PM] jcheung#0000 oops {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [01-Sep-24 01:09 PM] avalock#0000 lolol [01-Sep-24 01:10 PM] jcheung#0000 alrighty. half the fires out, now to figure out if my rating goes into the gutter or not ๐Ÿ˜‚ [03-Sep-24 09:02 AM] laaxus#0000 if anybody with a gf want a profitable one time deal, there's someone bidding a GEN for 250k right now {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1280528394492051466/image.png?ex=6814d080&is=68137f00&hm=56e6b57aafdb8d86b889e01a077009c9c203a4d7efc45afdb88066d3a5242a9f& [03-Sep-24 09:37 AM] avalock#0000 she doesnโ€™t play prun sorry {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜… (3) [03-Sep-24 09:37 AM] avalock#0000 wruff [03-Sep-24 09:47 AM] laaxus#0000 I still haven't solved this one {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1280539630231490663/find-the-shortest-path-to-get-a-girlfirend-v0-Vp-UKl1QLr5TUzw0eBCHN95ekLZQZs1XFCG_yiYv7Qw.webp?ex=6814daf7&is=68138977&hm=7b9364e80c7e425d6236bf33add8c47b873a5e1e871781e340869eb36059767d& [03-Sep-24 09:49 AM] marat_sh#0000 isn't it O(V+E) for directed graphs? [03-Sep-24 09:51 AM] avalock#0000 uhm idk for me i just put myself out there and people like me for some reason? i think i took the long path cause im moving in with my polycule in april [03-Sep-24 09:52 AM] laaxus#0000 that's the case if edges are unweighted and using bfs, but as soon as it becomes weighted, you need djikstra and it becomes O((V + E) log V) [03-Sep-24 09:52 AM] marat_sh#0000 why would it be weighted? [03-Sep-24 09:52 AM] avalock#0000 or is this just the shortest path to find your first girlfriend? [03-Sep-24 09:53 AM] laaxus#0000 it's not the case for this problem [03-Sep-24 09:53 AM] marat_sh#0000 for that problem it's just bfs ๐Ÿ˜… [03-Sep-24 09:53 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah [03-Sep-24 09:54 AM] marat_sh#0000 my shortest path was saying hello to 40+ girls until one answered ๐Ÿ˜… [03-Sep-24 09:55 AM] avalock#0000 fair [03-Sep-24 09:58 AM] avalock#0000 lmfao i was gonna talk about my chain of events but [03-Sep-24 10:02 AM] laaxus#0000 So yeah, to find the best investment, you have to consider many option. Ofcourse the recipe profit is a great indicator, but it does no matter if you can't sell your production long term, or if you can't supply. Therefore, the number of available bidders, the volume and weight of the recipe and the distance from the cx all matters. However, with a clever mix of recipes, you can reduce the shipping cost and therefore increase overall profit in some case. But there's more to it, for example, the ... [03-Sep-24 10:03 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1280543669887303802/image.png?ex=6814deba&is=68138d3a&hm=7ab1a011d9082a57077e7a4e71193de1289d48d27b51a5c5e123e10dd88410cf& [03-Sep-24 10:04 AM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/brain-gif-338783462287106063 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/brain-gif-338783462287106063 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/04645XOPyw0hJKAFQGycdKQ7Btmjcg7bZmZQuSi2g1w/https/media.tenor.com/BLOZw5VmYA8AAAAe/brain.png [03-Sep-24 10:04 AM] avalock#0000 โ€œso yeah i really enjoyed this minecraft griefing team from 2012, and thats why i joined their serverโ€ +9 partners laterโ€ฆ [03-Sep-24 10:04 AM] avalock#0000 :3 i love them all [03-Sep-24 10:07 AM] avalock#0000 honestly this is my girlfriend talking to me about 3D printers, idk shit still, but i do know if you use your nozzle as a probe, fuck you, enjoy brushing your nozzle nerd #BuildProbesOffYourNozzleTip [03-Sep-24 05:48 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Hello, in the planning stage of a production expansion and Id like to check for interest on having bases sponsored. Anyone here would be interested in a sponsored base bringing in 50k/day? I would take care of materials and pay an amount every week covering the consumables and payment [03-Sep-24 05:48 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Still in the planning phase but before going further i want to see if its something interesting anyone [03-Sep-24 05:49 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Either that or i would subsidize the base cost with a grant of 1mil in exchange for supplying a certain commodity at a preagreed price for 6-8 weeks [04-Sep-24 03:48 AM] laaxus#0000 ~~is there any new player in here that don't know what to do with one of his ship ? I'm willing to give shipping contracts above market rate for the next 3 days. @dizzplaced @shadowfax6562 @getonthetrain maybe ?~~ Edit : I found a solution [04-Sep-24 03:52 AM] realharvey#0000 What shipping route and what's your rate for that [04-Sep-24 04:05 AM] laaxus#0000 ANT -> norwick Norwick -> ANT 3 (maybe 4) times for a beginner 500T starter ship Or ANT -> Norwick once for a 2k/2k ship (3K/1k works too but i'll only pay for 1K tonnage then) Using this comment I believe the standart market rate would be 32k for a 2kT cargo. I'm willing to pay 12.5k per 500 Tonnage, meaning 50k for the 2k/2k, or 15k per trip (30k for the round trip) for the beginner starter ship I believe that's fair {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1280816048819671081/image.png?ex=68148ae6&is=68133966&hm=ef21666f628063111287b6f0d57c261a4dc14bc10e096ac95c46f7cc69286ce4& [04-Sep-24 04:09 AM] realharvey#0000 so 50k for back and forth with a 2k2k? [04-Sep-24 04:10 AM] laaxus#0000 I won't be able to fill the 2k/2k on the return but essentially yes [04-Sep-24 04:10 AM] laaxus#0000 do you think it's fair ? [04-Sep-24 04:24 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Back and forth fuel/depreciation costs for a 2k, is around 10k net. [04-Sep-24 04:25 AM] realharvey#0000 I cant really answer that question. I don't do shipping because its a lot of busy work for not much profit. But that is very subjective. It might be more interesting for newer People [04-Sep-24 04:25 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Beyond that, its up to those contracting themselves, with another, to figure things out. [04-Sep-24 04:26 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Newer people easily phase out of contract shipping, when they figure out that they can make more revenues, weekly, by using their ships to supply their bases. [04-Sep-24 04:27 AM] laaxus#0000 but not for the newest players who only need one ship to supply their only base. [04-Sep-24 04:28 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yes. [04-Sep-24 04:29 AM] realharvey#0000 I can fly that route once for you with a 2k2k to help you out if its urgent. But otherwise its not interesting for me [04-Sep-24 04:30 AM] laaxus#0000 it's kinda urgent, one of my 2 ships is upgrading and I just can't supply my norwick base atm [04-Sep-24 04:30 AM] realharvey#0000 sent a cont then [04-Sep-24 04:31 AM] laaxus#0000 how soon could you leave for norwick ? [04-Sep-24 04:31 AM] realharvey#0000 it very much depends on how quick you set up that contract [04-Sep-24 04:31 AM] realharvey#0000 is ready to go {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1280822596283138069/image.png?ex=681490ff&is=68133f7f&hm=3379f525f0880882a5c96dd41e55cb3b94cb9f655bc9b0d4a90c401713fdd9eb& [04-Sep-24 04:31 AM] laaxus#0000 then I'll give you another 10K for it [04-Sep-24 04:32 AM] realharvey#0000 na dont bother [04-Sep-24 04:32 AM] realharvey#0000 sent for 1 [04-Sep-24 04:32 AM] laaxus#0000 could you also take a cargo from norwick to ant ? [04-Sep-24 04:33 AM] realharvey#0000 sent that aswell [04-Sep-24 04:33 AM] dizzplaced#0000 My ships be scheming rn sorry [04-Sep-24 04:33 AM] laaxus#0000 perfect, thanks much, writing you the contract right now {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Sep-24 04:42 AM] laaxus#0000 sent the contracts ! [04-Sep-24 04:45 AM] realharvey#0000 its on its way {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1280826046366748722/image.png?ex=68149436&is=681342b6&hm=f5b5710b69375aa269ec12d8b9c996d6b54adedc9c7e1b4ad9f050da6f30c0a4& [04-Sep-24 04:45 AM] laaxus#0000 I think you forgot one [04-Sep-24 04:45 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1280826151270481984/image.png?ex=6814944f&is=681342cf&hm=12012e67e2e8fb09fa4ab647619abe24b513b6cd9fa66657f093bf44e4eb3438& [04-Sep-24 04:46 AM] realharvey#0000 Well you should have said how many contracts its gonna be lol [04-Sep-24 04:47 AM] laaxus#0000 My bad, I thought 2k tonnage was clear enough [04-Sep-24 04:48 AM] realharvey#0000 I was expecting 2 contracts. [04-Sep-24 04:48 AM] realharvey#0000 then I thought its gonna be 2 to norwick and 2 back [04-Sep-24 04:48 AM] realharvey#0000 but well [04-Sep-24 04:48 AM] realharvey#0000 sent to ships there now lol [04-Sep-24 04:49 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm very sorry ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜ญ [04-Sep-24 04:55 AM] realharvey#0000 it would not be prun without stuff going wrong lol [04-Sep-24 05:24 AM] laaxus#0000 @avalock might be onto something [04-Sep-24 05:24 AM] laaxus#0000 extracting rocks seems very profitable [04-Sep-24 05:30 AM] avalock#0000 wruff [04-Sep-24 05:53 AM] realharvey#0000 They are very heavy tho and need dedicated ships [04-Sep-24 05:54 AM] realharvey#0000 In such cases I would incorporate the price of a Ship into the ROI calc for a base [04-Sep-24 05:55 AM] laaxus#0000 It might be interesting to try to produce, manufacture and then export [04-Sep-24 05:55 AM] laaxus#0000 as long as I have very profitable bases around ANT, I'm not moving [04-Sep-24 07:02 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Took me 14 bases until I felt the need to expand [04-Sep-24 07:08 AM] laaxus#0000 But expanding you mean going into another cx ? [04-Sep-24 07:21 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Yeah moved to Mor [04-Sep-24 07:21 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Now Iโ€™m 2/3 Ant 1/3 Mor [04-Sep-24 08:00 AM] avalock#0000 the voices in my head always onto something [04-Sep-24 08:00 AM] avalock#0000 :3 [04-Sep-24 08:00 AM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/he-just-like-me-fr-gif-25075803 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/he-just-like-me-fr-gif-25075803 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/U3kXw4EjGU-hq-8feNQ8I27qHsjTs8rkGb9BfG9Sn6c/https/media.tenor.com/6zQfLMXd0FQAAAAe/he-just-like-me-fr.png [04-Sep-24 08:01 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m so relatable lmfao [04-Sep-24 08:04 AM] avalock#0000 woof [04-Sep-24 08:35 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 O_o [04-Sep-24 08:35 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 remember, punctuation matters [04-Sep-24 08:36 AM] avalock#0000 which part :o [04-Sep-24 08:37 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 "He just like me --- best friends for life..... He just, like me --- gay"? [04-Sep-24 08:38 AM] avalock#0000 oh this is more relatability im p sure [04-Sep-24 08:38 AM] avalock#0000 wruff [04-Sep-24 08:38 AM] avalock#0000 tho idk [04-Sep-24 08:38 AM] avalock#0000 im a silly pup [04-Sep-24 08:38 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/pet-dog-adorable-cute-gif-14614095 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/pet-dog-adorable-cute-gif-14614095 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/LxE2LygzpjAGACzMmut8O5rbwH7S9Eei_FdXZrSuG3M/https/media.tenor.com/nwbxEGQINOsAAAAe/pet-dog.png [04-Sep-24 08:39 AM] avalock#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1280884880804155393/593eda7afaaad5a2.jpg?ex=6814cb01&is=68137981&hm=e0867898c12497a2a88bb1f001e086f54822934f32abcaa7511f0bd92e6a6de3& [04-Sep-24 12:59 PM] razenpok#0000 My brother in Christ wth :Cry: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1280950446302826648/image.png?ex=68150811&is=6813b691&hm=140cb3df70f7f1d10551f57a2f176d514f98091dff3d80450f6f0410c13e467e& [04-Sep-24 01:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 sorry ๐Ÿ˜… [04-Sep-24 01:08 PM] jcheung#0000 Wow [04-Sep-24 01:08 PM] jcheung#0000 You want med huh [04-Sep-24 01:10 PM] jcheung#0000 Err. I can red [04-Sep-24 01:10 PM] jcheung#0000 That's not buying xD [04-Sep-24 02:56 PM] razenpok#0000 allocater added 1000 more :MEOW: [04-Sep-24 02:56 PM] razenpok#0000 Rip MED [04-Sep-24 03:03 PM] marat_sh#0000 to be fair MED prices were wild for a while ๐Ÿ˜… [04-Sep-24 03:09 PM] jcheung#0000 Tbh they still are [04-Sep-24 03:09 PM] jcheung#0000 Just less so now [04-Sep-24 03:10 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, hoping to just calm down the prices a little [04-Sep-24 03:11 PM] jcheung#0000 Yeah [04-Sep-24 03:12 PM] sidepipe#0000 Next time Iโ€™ll warn here before I do that though ๐Ÿ˜… [04-Sep-24 03:13 PM] jcheung#0000 Doesn't hurt my sales any ๐Ÿ˜„ [07-Sep-24 02:20 PM] avalock#0000 woof [07-Sep-24 02:23 PM] laaxus#0000 good boy [07-Sep-24 02:24 PM] avalock#0000 boy? aa [07-Sep-24 02:25 PM] laaxus#0000 good girl ? [07-Sep-24 02:25 PM] avalock#0000 lmao [07-Sep-24 02:25 PM] laaxus#0000 good dog [07-Sep-24 02:25 PM] laaxus#0000 (can't go wrong) [07-Sep-24 02:25 PM] laaxus#0000 anyway have a snacks [07-Sep-24 02:25 PM] avalock#0000 I didn't know I gave off a boyish impression, sorry [07-Sep-24 02:25 PM] jcheung#0000 Everyone is a guy online until proven otherwise [07-Sep-24 02:26 PM] avalock#0000 fair yeah [07-Sep-24 02:26 PM] avalock#0000 mmm [07-Sep-24 02:26 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/1tdc-workssowell-treat-joint-health-puppy-gif-19401606 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/1tdc-workssowell-treat-joint-health-puppy-gif-19401606 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Fj0Pb3f_h-RlfdA9YAhkiQqgFlXkK6d8fdv6rwk1LFo/https/media.tenor.com/l_0tzD4WSRYAAAAe/1tdc-workssowell.png [07-Sep-24 02:26 PM] avalock#0000 yay [07-Sep-24 02:27 PM] laaxus#0000 this [07-Sep-24 02:27 PM] laaxus#0000 (and honestly, I misgender my own dog from time to time) [07-Sep-24 02:28 PM] avalock#0000 all good, I just uhhh idk [07-Sep-24 02:28 PM] avalock#0000 brain worms maybe [07-Sep-24 02:28 PM] laaxus#0000 no matter [07-Sep-24 02:28 PM] laaxus#0000 You're a net positive to the community [07-Sep-24 02:28 PM] avalock#0000 thank you! [07-Sep-24 02:28 PM] avalock#0000 aaa [07-Sep-24 02:28 PM] laaxus#0000 ๐Ÿ’› [07-Sep-24 02:28 PM] avalock#0000 lmfao I always feel like I'm way too strange [07-Sep-24 02:29 PM] jcheung#0000 Seen stranger. [07-Sep-24 02:29 PM] avalock#0000 yeah? [07-Sep-24 02:29 PM] avalock#0000 I'm curious [07-Sep-24 02:30 PM] laaxus#0000 I've seen a sect guru in transports, twice Both time we talked [07-Sep-24 02:30 PM] laaxus#0000 it was the strangest discussion I had with a human, ever [07-Sep-24 02:30 PM] jcheung#0000 Used to play barotrauma with a guy. Made it quite obvious he was a furry [07-Sep-24 02:31 PM] avalock#0000 lmao, I keep stuff tame here on purpose [07-Sep-24 02:31 PM] jcheung#0000 He added stuff to the end of each sentence [07-Sep-24 02:31 PM] jcheung#0000 It was slightly disconcerting to hear that, but whatever [07-Sep-24 02:31 PM] laaxus#0000 respect furries. Furries single handedly keep the world IT Infrastructure afloat [07-Sep-24 02:31 PM] laaxus#0000 shall a plane full of furies crash, SP500 will lose 10% and I'm not even joking [07-Sep-24 02:32 PM] jcheung#0000 You know, a furry convention got canceled during the crowdstrike incident. I'm not saying it was related, but... [07-Sep-24 02:32 PM] avalock#0000 lmao [07-Sep-24 02:32 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1282060945656381461/not-oc-probably-a-repost-its-a-legitimate-question-though-v0-n1ur2ht5r56a1.png?ex=6814750c&is=6813238c&hm=2a456f5448779bc799c6d5b909427ed96ceed0ed4e51c92bea422232c4bfc5a9& [07-Sep-24 02:32 PM] marat_sh#0000 #3 usually works the best [07-Sep-24 02:33 PM] avalock#0000 God I'm a furry, and trans I'm gonna dominate the networking field huh [07-Sep-24 02:33 PM] laaxus#0000 To this day, the best explanation I've ever seen about DNS was from a cat [07-Sep-24 02:33 PM] laaxus#0000 https://youtu.be/4ZtFk2dtqv0?si=htYaNuRhyNp0UgNj {Embed} Nill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZtFk2dtqv0 A Cat Explains DNS I explain the finer points of what people don't tell you about DNS. (2017) https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/nCIyxVO9OqhtJIxdWwUV-p08h6RaeI4J9YAKdf3zsAw/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/4ZtFk2dtqv0/maxresdefault.jpg [07-Sep-24 02:34 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm an IT engineer, and this guy explained better than teacher I had [07-Sep-24 02:34 PM] avalock#0000 oh shit [07-Sep-24 02:34 PM] avalock#0000 I'm trying to career switch to IT lmao [07-Sep-24 02:34 PM] avalock#0000 I basically have nothing on my resume IT wise [07-Sep-24 02:34 PM] avalock#0000 ๐Ÿ˜Ž [07-Sep-24 02:35 PM] avalock#0000 but I've tested audio equipment a whole bunch which shows my ability to troubleshoot [07-Sep-24 02:35 PM] marat_sh#0000 Best advise for people who currently in college: Get internship... any kind... it will help you a lot in a future in resume [07-Sep-24 02:36 PM] avalock#0000 I'm unfortunately not in college [07-Sep-24 02:36 PM] avalock#0000 gg [07-Sep-24 02:36 PM] avalock#0000 I'm self-learning :3 [07-Sep-24 02:36 PM] laaxus#0000 Got an internship at huawei ๐Ÿ˜Ž {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ [07-Sep-24 02:36 PM] avalock#0000 nice :o [07-Sep-24 02:36 PM] laaxus#0000 Anyway, now I'll become a simple java dev [07-Sep-24 02:36 PM] laaxus#0000 can't be a gamer on the side if I work 10H a day [07-Sep-24 02:37 PM] avalock#0000 lmao [07-Sep-24 02:37 PM] avalock#0000 I'm learning cisco networking stuff, and then python for automation uwu [07-Sep-24 02:37 PM] laaxus#0000 Java dev, 4day WFH [07-Sep-24 02:37 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Hmmm, a java dev? You'll be cooking up everyone's coffee at Huawei, then? [07-Sep-24 02:37 PM] avalock#0000 then I'll prolly look into AWS and AZ [07-Sep-24 02:37 PM] laaxus#0000 It was in the past [07-Sep-24 02:37 PM] avalock#0000 to boost my resume >.< [07-Sep-24 02:37 PM] laaxus#0000 I start working in 2 weeks [07-Sep-24 02:37 PM] marat_sh#0000 remote? [07-Sep-24 02:37 PM] laaxus#0000 and at huawei, I did research work, about neural networks [07-Sep-24 02:38 PM] laaxus#0000 on location for the first 6 month {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ [07-Sep-24 02:38 PM] laaxus#0000 Then remote 4 day a week [07-Sep-24 02:38 PM] marat_sh#0000 Congrats [07-Sep-24 02:38 PM] laaxus#0000 Couldn't be happier with my job tbh [07-Sep-24 02:38 PM] laaxus#0000 From what I heard, it's kinda hard to find an open position for junior devs in belgium [07-Sep-24 02:39 PM] marat_sh#0000 anywere* [07-Sep-24 02:39 PM] marat_sh#0000 junior positions are 2+ years now [07-Sep-24 02:39 PM] laaxus#0000 but from me, I met my employer at a job fair, I sent them a mail right away, they contacted me back, got an interview, signed contract [07-Sep-24 02:40 PM] laaxus#0000 It was so easy I couldn't believe it [07-Sep-24 02:40 PM] laaxus#0000 Yeah, that's why I'm not complaining even tho the pay is a bit lacking [07-Sep-24 02:41 PM] marat_sh#0000 pay will rise quite a bit after 5 years. It will also be easier to switch jobs if you would need to [07-Sep-24 02:41 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Hopefully by the time I get out of college it'll be COVID 2: The empire strikes back or something and the layoffs would be over [07-Sep-24 02:41 PM] marat_sh#0000 I mean... It's election year ๐Ÿ‘€ [07-Sep-24 02:42 PM] avalock#0000 lmao, I'm guessing not a good time for me to do my career switch? :P [07-Sep-24 02:43 PM] laaxus#0000 nope [07-Sep-24 02:43 PM] avalock#0000 bwa mmm [07-Sep-24 02:43 PM] avalock#0000 I'm fine with landing entry help desk shenanigans tbh [07-Sep-24 02:43 PM] avalock#0000 but [07-Sep-24 02:44 PM] avalock#0000 prolly hard to do with my resume [07-Sep-24 02:44 PM] avalock#0000 gg [07-Sep-24 02:44 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You can change jobs at any time. I've seen old timers who switched jobs in their 40-50's, into better things. [07-Sep-24 02:44 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yes. most "careers" are just jobs. [07-Sep-24 02:44 PM] avalock#0000 lmao, I'm moving in with my partners so I gotta change paths a bit (also my current job is super underpaying) [07-Sep-24 02:46 PM] igfloz#0000 Audio equipment = Communications = Networks ........... right ? I'm basically self taught too [07-Sep-24 02:47 PM] avalock#0000 Kinda yeeee, there's a lot of simularities with signal flow, and routing matricies in stuff I'm also certified in Dante which is like Audio and Video over IP [07-Sep-24 02:47 PM] avalock#0000 actually pretty cool stuff, even if its a bit of shit [07-Sep-24 02:47 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Most of the industry standards in networking are just industry knowledge examinations - no schooling needed, but you'll probably have to do a bit of reading. [07-Sep-24 02:47 PM] avalock#0000 yeee I'm doing a CCNA course rn, just finishing up a chapter atm [07-Sep-24 02:48 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 the same stuff goes with sys admin stuff. [07-Sep-24 02:48 PM] igfloz#0000 My career path is so mixed, I have no idea how I ended up doing LAN management [07-Sep-24 02:48 PM] avalock#0000 I got my courses for free lmfao, worked my magic [07-Sep-24 02:49 PM] avalock#0000 :3 [07-Sep-24 02:50 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Internet download? lol [07-Sep-24 02:50 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 the Cisco stuff is usually bound in periodical volumes. [07-Sep-24 02:50 PM] avalock#0000 nah someone from the canadian military gave me a netacad account [07-Sep-24 02:51 PM] avalock#0000 so I can do some of the chapter quizes and packet tracer labs :3 [07-Sep-24 02:51 PM] laaxus#0000 Can't be worse than my cousins 3 engineers : one became a baker another became carpenter the last became a stonemason [07-Sep-24 02:52 PM] avalock#0000 my brother is trying to become an accountant, and idk what my sister wants to do tbh [07-Sep-24 02:53 PM] avalock#0000 I just became the dog girl that dropped out of college, but has a hyperfixation with networking [07-Sep-24 02:53 PM] avalock#0000 wruff [07-Sep-24 02:54 PM] tanda#0000 I use to make websites for the military, now I sell soda [07-Sep-24 02:55 PM] avalock#0000 is it good soda? [07-Sep-24 02:55 PM] igfloz#0000 heh, sounds similar, I started as an apprentice welder / fabricator >>>> Airframe tech for Boeing >>>> Tool setter for a wood work fabs >>>>> pabx installation & structured cabling installation >>>>>> cctv installation >>>>>>> PC&A tech >>>>>> IT security >>>>>>> LAN management [07-Sep-24 02:55 PM] tanda#0000 depends on whether or no you like soda? [07-Sep-24 02:56 PM] laaxus#0000 IT security is one of the department where it looks so cool and fun from the outside, but the more I goes deeper into it, the more I think it's not [07-Sep-24 02:56 PM] avalock#0000 valid [07-Sep-24 02:56 PM] avalock#0000 I just imagine its very stressful [07-Sep-24 02:57 PM] igfloz#0000 it was [07-Sep-24 02:57 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1282067173337993276/image0.gif?ex=68147ad9&is=68132959&hm=0a3980ef8ed727e38603394b2a64d8c6850d5709a992586b330bef907d5a5640& [07-Sep-24 02:57 PM] avalock#0000 I enjoy listening to talks, and doing silly things online, but idk [07-Sep-24 02:57 PM] avalock#0000 like how I'm making a denial of service dog collar [07-Sep-24 02:58 PM] jcheung#0000 ....did you work on DTS [07-Sep-24 02:58 PM] tanda#0000 ooh, if you made a bunch of those you could turn your nearest furry convention into a DDoS hub [07-Sep-24 02:58 PM] laaxus#0000 yeah, not for me I want to work, play video games on my second screen, while managing my bbq and working in front on my home garden, taking naps in my hammoc at noon This is my life goal [07-Sep-24 02:58 PM] avalock#0000 LMAO [07-Sep-24 02:58 PM] avalock#0000 I.... it would be really possible ngl... [07-Sep-24 02:58 PM] avalock#0000 That would be terrifying [07-Sep-24 02:58 PM] avalock#0000 :P [07-Sep-24 02:58 PM] tanda#0000 nah, sadly. You would crash whatever hub they all connected to [07-Sep-24 02:59 PM] avalock#0000 Just giving a bunch of furries collar tags that are pwnogatchis at a convention :x [07-Sep-24 02:59 PM] tanda#0000 I'm not familiar with the acronym, so no [07-Sep-24 02:59 PM] igfloz#0000 A very honorable goal sir ! [07-Sep-24 02:59 PM] tanda#0000 I most worked on equipment and personnel trackers [07-Sep-24 03:03 PM] jcheung#0000 IMDS? [07-Sep-24 03:03 PM] jcheung#0000 CAMS? CORE? [07-Sep-24 03:03 PM] tanda#0000 nah, we were a small little programming shop on an Air Force base [07-Sep-24 03:03 PM] tanda#0000 we worked on nothing nationwide [07-Sep-24 03:03 PM] tanda#0000 just what tools base leadership needed [07-Sep-24 03:04 PM] jcheung#0000 Ah [07-Sep-24 03:04 PM] jcheung#0000 Lucky bastards [07-Sep-24 03:05 PM] tanda#0000 yep! I never had to touch assembly [07-Sep-24 03:05 PM] tanda#0000 I know some folks who wound up going to work on AWACS [07-Sep-24 03:06 PM] jcheung#0000 Me too. Though now that they're retiring some airframes he's waiting to figure out where they'll stick him [07-Sep-24 03:10 PM] avalock#0000 y'all are nice :D [07-Sep-24 03:12 PM] tanda#0000 kind of you to say so [07-Sep-24 03:12 PM] tanda#0000 that was over a decade ago. I think I've forgotten c# by now [07-Sep-24 03:15 PM] razenpok#0000 ```csharp public static void Main() { Tanda.Remember("C#"); } ``` [07-Sep-24 03:15 PM] tanda#0000 I like how it doesn't return anything {Reactions} true (2) [07-Sep-24 03:16 PM] jvaler#0000 eugh i'm sick now everyone else in my family got it at the same time but i get it with a few days delay lmao at least it's the weekend so {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‡ซ (2) [07-Sep-24 03:17 PM] laaxus#0000 Take care [07-Sep-24 03:17 PM] laaxus#0000 Health is so important [07-Sep-24 03:17 PM] jvaler#0000 ya [07-Sep-24 03:21 PM] avalock#0000 hope you feel better soon friend [07-Sep-24 03:55 PM] razenpok#0000 wtf, this is insane {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1282081757583118521/image.png?ex=6814886e&is=681336ee&hm=e28a6a88d650cf02c5497e54617e23674ad17ace0dfb649839ba15b8a0afbcc4& [07-Sep-24 03:55 PM] razenpok#0000 The amount of capital investment this would require is enormous for a newbro [07-Sep-24 03:58 PM] laaxus#0000 Around 1M5 for the base, And around another 1M5 for a one day input buffer [07-Sep-24 03:58 PM] tanda#0000 100% looks like they took some loans [07-Sep-24 03:59 PM] razenpok#0000 Either that and a daily restock, or a larger loan, ye [07-Sep-24 04:00 PM] laaxus#0000 however he gonna have to change production soon, unless he's currently selling to an internal market [07-Sep-24 04:01 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1282083290169475194/image.png?ex=681489dc&is=6813385c&hm=c4037f7598ce63eecd80e3f9a2cf9e65fe7569c2b0e857d5ce6951d95c73c03f& [07-Sep-24 04:01 PM] laaxus#0000 he's producing 50 RDE a day, and below the red bar, he's losing money [07-Sep-24 04:01 PM] laaxus#0000 I hope he's aware of that [07-Sep-24 04:02 PM] razenpok#0000 Live young die fast [07-Sep-24 04:03 PM] tanda#0000 I'm just glad LSE bounced back somewhat on ANT [07-Sep-24 04:06 PM] razenpok#0000 LSE coming back to Silent Supplies? :pog: [07-Sep-24 04:08 PM] tanda#0000 soon (TM) [07-Sep-24 04:08 PM] tanda#0000 production has already resumed {Reactions} maxwell [07-Sep-24 04:11 PM] tanda#0000 man LDE right now is just not worth it. It's cheaper to buy it from the CX [07-Sep-24 04:12 PM] razenpok#0000 I think LSE is still worse than LDE ROI-wise [07-Sep-24 04:14 PM] tanda#0000 not right now. I think NL might be spiking [07-Sep-24 04:14 PM] tanda#0000 because LDE is cheaper than 3x AL and 1 x NL [07-Sep-24 04:15 PM] razenpok#0000 Oof, 5k NL, ye {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜€ kekw [07-Sep-24 04:15 PM] razenpok#0000 But it was hovering in the 4k range, and SMA10 is 4k also [07-Sep-24 04:15 PM] razenpok#0000 Probably a temporary spike [07-Sep-24 04:16 PM] igfloz#0000 We'll have to see. My NL operation isn't big by any means, but I have increased some production [07-Sep-24 04:16 PM] laaxus#0000 no [07-Sep-24 04:17 PM] laaxus#0000 LSE is better than LDE, at ask price [07-Sep-24 04:17 PM] laaxus#0000 both aren't profitable at bid [07-Sep-24 04:18 PM] tanda#0000 Looks like LBH, LSE, and BBH are the money makers for PP2 right now {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1282087553822101535/image.png?ex=68148dd4&is=68133c54&hm=49c257d970e7fefcdc6314c345f3a0cecad980b735bbffe03f7fa7265723d7a6& [07-Sep-24 04:18 PM] laaxus#0000 LBH BBH and LTA [07-Sep-24 04:19 PM] tanda#0000 LTA has liquidity issues [07-Sep-24 04:19 PM] tanda#0000 BBH is better due to volume [07-Sep-24 04:19 PM] laaxus#0000 at least, you'd make money by selling at bid price [07-Sep-24 04:19 PM] laaxus#0000 unlike lse [07-Sep-24 04:19 PM] laaxus#0000 (tho I admit the roi at bid price for LTA isn't great) [07-Sep-24 04:20 PM] razenpok#0000 LBH has probably the best balance between liquidity and profit [07-Sep-24 04:20 PM] tanda#0000 when it comes to construction mats I generally don't sell at bid prices anymore (thank god) [07-Sep-24 04:20 PM] tanda#0000 now I just need a bit more buffer so I never buy at ask prices ever again [07-Sep-24 04:21 PM] razenpok#0000 ~~You sell at internal prices instead :kekw: ~~ [07-Sep-24 04:21 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 wow [07-Sep-24 04:21 PM] tanda#0000 hey, those are still considered so I make a profit [07-Sep-24 04:21 PM] tanda#0000 just not a lot [07-Sep-24 04:22 PM] razenpok#0000 Anyway, thank you again for your offers, I appreciate them a lot :blobheart: [07-Sep-24 04:22 PM] tanda#0000 that's why they're there! [07-Sep-24 04:22 PM] razenpok#0000 (and every other offer in internal offers btw, you are the MVPs) {Reactions} truss [07-Sep-24 04:48 PM] jcheung#0000 It's back to 5k? [07-Sep-24 04:48 PM] jcheung#0000 Huh. [07-Sep-24 04:55 PM] farnite#0000 Hi :0 {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘‹ (2) [07-Sep-24 04:55 PM] razenpok#0000 Hey 0: [07-Sep-24 04:56 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1282097099931910164/image0.gif?ex=681496b8&is=68134538&hm=a48ffcd3a1ee064818f3adf961421b869ce512b457d41c76c689deb7f9739441& [07-Sep-24 04:57 PM] farnite#0000 So yeah, gonna do RAT for a bit, at least I get the hang of it more {Reactions} ๐Ÿ€ (2) [07-Sep-24 04:57 PM] farnite#0000 Started on Harmonia [07-Sep-24 04:57 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://tenor.com/view/fish-slap-w2s-slap-funny-sidemen-gif-20599048 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/fish-slap-w2s-slap-funny-sidemen-gif-20599048 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/BqyCQvowcmRzS0GE64iTgMEq_9i0x5CCvfNxpIpmfrw/https/media.tenor.com/pUatwfgNCZUAAAAe/fish-slap-w2s.png [07-Sep-24 04:57 PM] razenpok#0000 If a certain Rise will reach out promising riches beyond imagination, draw a circle with salt and ask him to retreat to Hephaestus immediately [07-Sep-24 04:58 PM] farnite#0000 LOL [07-Sep-24 04:58 PM] tanda#0000 alternatively just accept that one permit is a pretty small price to pay [07-Sep-24 04:58 PM] tanda#0000 and then draw a circle of salt around the sponsored base [07-Sep-24 04:58 PM] razenpok#0000 Selling your soul smh [07-Sep-24 05:13 PM] tanda#0000 well the game is about selling commodities {Reactions} kekw (2) [07-Sep-24 05:16 PM] jcheung#0000 Yeah [07-Sep-24 05:16 PM] jcheung#0000 Having one sponsored base isn't a bad idea [07-Sep-24 05:17 PM] jcheung#0000 Gets you moving faster at the start [07-Sep-24 05:17 PM] jcheung#0000 Low profit, but is profit you won't have had for some time otherwise [07-Sep-24 05:33 PM] tanda#0000 I have a sponsored EDC base, I'm definitely not one to judge anyone for selling their soul [07-Sep-24 07:01 PM] jcheung#0000 huh [07-Sep-24 07:01 PM] jcheung#0000 how much are you paid for edc? [07-Sep-24 07:07 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Sponsored bases usually confer full build + repair materials + consumables + a flat weekly rate for permit use.... [07-Sep-24 07:07 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 So, probably not enough. [07-Sep-24 07:16 PM] avalock#0000 woah that must be a cool rave [07-Sep-24 11:17 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, it's a fraction of the cost, but I never have to worry about supplying a base that's all the way out in Malahat [08-Sep-24 01:05 AM] laaxus#0000 Does anybody will do a BENTEN -> ANT travel this week (or next week) ? I'd like to ship around 60T [08-Sep-24 01:06 AM] jcheung#0000 your timing on that [08-Sep-24 01:06 AM] jcheung#0000 is terrible [08-Sep-24 01:06 AM] jcheung#0000 i just left 2 hrs ago ๐Ÿ˜… [08-Sep-24 01:06 AM] laaxus#0000 it's not the first time someone said that [08-Sep-24 01:06 AM] laaxus#0000 XD [08-Sep-24 01:07 AM] laaxus#0000 Do you plan to go there again this week ? [08-Sep-24 01:07 AM] jcheung#0000 this week, uh.... i don't know [08-Sep-24 01:07 AM] laaxus#0000 well if you're not sure, I'll still ask around [08-Sep-24 01:07 AM] laaxus#0000 If I don't find anybody I'll ask you again next week [08-Sep-24 01:08 AM] jcheung#0000 MOR i'll be going up there next week, but BEN idk [08-Sep-24 02:38 AM] razenpok#0000 You are not gonna believe this, mate [08-Sep-24 02:38 AM] razenpok#0000 BEN => ANT 08-Sep-24 11:52 AM [08-Sep-24 02:39 AM] laaxus#0000 OMG [08-Sep-24 02:39 AM] razenpok#0000 Literally the first time ever I'm at BEN {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [08-Sep-24 03:02 AM] laaxus#0000 how much for 78T/64m3 ? ๐Ÿ‘‰ ๐Ÿ‘ˆ [08-Sep-24 03:03 AM] razenpok#0000 20 units of Pineberries @ Antares I - Bober (ZV-307b) [08-Sep-24 03:04 AM] razenpok#0000 1 AIC [08-Sep-24 03:05 AM] laaxus#0000 (slowly closing cxm PIB buffer) [08-Sep-24 03:05 AM] laaxus#0000 tyvm [08-Sep-24 03:05 AM] razenpok#0000 I would also take PIB! You have 4 days 8h left tho :kekw: [08-Sep-24 03:06 AM] razenpok#0000 /jk [08-Sep-24 08:08 AM] marat_sh#0000 I am not ready to make a permanent internal offer yet, but for next week or so I have MCG for 20/u (currently 2400 on ANT and more is coming) [08-Sep-24 08:09 AM] marat_sh#0000 If you need some let me know [08-Sep-24 02:26 PM] razenpok#0000 How to deal with the logistics of a metallurgy base? Even with a WCB it would still require frequent visits [08-Sep-24 02:27 PM] sidepipe#0000 I think frequent visits is pretty much the answer {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [08-Sep-24 02:27 PM] tanda#0000 the best advice would definitely be make sure you're set up on a planet with access to the ore that you need [08-Sep-24 02:27 PM] igfloz#0000 I'm running ALo between Nascent and Vulcan for my smelters. 2 STO is a must in my opinion [08-Sep-24 02:27 PM] tanda#0000 I service Deimos once every 5 day as it stands right now {Reactions} concern [08-Sep-24 02:28 PM] tanda#0000 my ore is more expensive buying from the local market rather than producing it on Nascent [08-Sep-24 02:28 PM] tanda#0000 but in exchange I have a lot more Carbon too [08-Sep-24 02:28 PM] igfloz#0000 ....and I also made sure I had stock at the smelting base before putting the smelters down [08-Sep-24 02:28 PM] laaxus#0000 currently, I have 4 ext on deimos, priority is things I supply Then when I run out, I smelt AL [08-Sep-24 02:30 PM] razenpok#0000 Ok, I guess no way around it, thanks everyone [08-Sep-24 02:31 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1282423037236609235/image.png?ex=681474c6&is=68132346&hm=890c03eff3ac724c0c32dee640f54fcc53783add583d7011c622385184655f69& [08-Sep-24 02:31 PM] sidepipe#0000 Thatโ€™s a big part of why Iโ€™ve never really done metallurgy - not that food production is much better. You just trade weight for bulk [08-Sep-24 02:31 PM] tanda#0000 Really not a huge issue with import export if you accept that you're only ever going to get ALO off the LM [08-Sep-24 02:32 PM] razenpok#0000 ... but you still need to export [08-Sep-24 02:32 PM] tanda#0000 yeah! every 5 days [08-Sep-24 02:32 PM] razenpok#0000 Is it more like 3.9 days due to m3? [08-Sep-24 02:33 PM] igfloz#0000 I could maybe help you out with ALO. I don't want to over extend myself as I am already feeding another person [08-Sep-24 02:33 PM] tanda#0000 no worries, I don't have channels for that because it's such a shipping headache I don't want to pawn it off on anyone else either [08-Sep-24 02:35 PM] igfloz#0000 well, if you looking for some one day, ping me, I've normally got 2K @ Deimos [08-Sep-24 02:35 PM] tanda#0000 I suppose? I don't watch the clock on that closesly, just how much AL is there. When it hits 1k I send a ship [08-Sep-24 02:37 PM] igfloz#0000 My Nascent base keeps me busy transporting the stuff lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1282424708108910602/image.png?ex=68147654&is=681324d4&hm=f9fb73358ce91ffda63b0976cb97e3276887772432e33ffeec91e389c96f169b& [08-Sep-24 02:38 PM] tanda#0000 that's why I avoided that, lol [08-Sep-24 02:38 PM] tanda#0000 basically ties up a ship almost full time, right? [08-Sep-24 02:40 PM] igfloz#0000 yes it kinda does, but I use the ship to transport GRN >> Nascent for a customer, ALO >> Deimos / Vulcan, so it's not entirely a waste. I make profits ๐Ÿ™‚ [08-Sep-24 02:40 PM] tanda#0000 that's good. I have the same trade route, but instead I ship back C from Nascent [08-Sep-24 02:41 PM] laaxus#0000 or be like me and send a ship every day [08-Sep-24 02:41 PM] tanda#0000 these days I think the AL thing is just a side gig for the construction side [08-Sep-24 02:41 PM] igfloz#0000 yeah [08-Sep-24 04:40 PM] tanda#0000 @nanacheesecake what ships are you running at this point? a pair of LCBs? [08-Sep-24 04:41 PM] nanacheesecake#0000 Still have the two starter ships, but im saving to upgrade on of them right now [08-Sep-24 04:41 PM] tanda#0000 oh your life will get so much easier once that can happen [08-Sep-24 04:41 PM] nanacheesecake#0000 the other is permanently occupied transporting LST to zv-639d [08-Sep-24 04:42 PM] nanacheesecake#0000 yeah it will be weird, i'm so used to cargo being super tight [08-Sep-24 04:43 PM] nanacheesecake#0000 @tanda I just read the server info and ADI has no IG corp, but there is something called CULT. [08-Sep-24 04:44 PM] tanda#0000 yes, it's a small little group focused around Elon [08-Sep-24 04:44 PM] tanda#0000 there's an HQ there that boosts our bases on that planet, it helps with the PG project but otherwise is just a cool tag [08-Sep-24 04:45 PM] tanda#0000 it's just an extension of ADI as a whole [08-Sep-24 04:45 PM] nanacheesecake#0000 got it [08-Sep-24 04:48 PM] jvaler#0000 yup we like to keep project creation and management as open as possible, so anyone is welcome to create their own projects. CULT just happens to be the only set of material production projects running at the moment. though we should have an internal WCB upgrade kit production project up and running sometime soonโ„ข๏ธ which is run by different people than dvorak [08-Sep-24 04:50 PM] avalock#0000 need a PAW project [08-Sep-24 04:50 PM] avalock#0000 a PAWject [08-Sep-24 04:50 PM] avalock#0000 Woof [08-Sep-24 04:51 PM] tanda#0000 what expansion plans do you currently have, @avalock [08-Sep-24 04:51 PM] avalock#0000 logistics upgrades atm [08-Sep-24 04:51 PM] avalock#0000 buying components for second ship upgrade [08-Sep-24 04:51 PM] tanda#0000 another WCB for now? [08-Sep-24 04:51 PM] avalock#0000 then third ship should be next [08-Sep-24 04:52 PM] avalock#0000 i think so yeee [08-Sep-24 04:52 PM] tanda#0000 cool. Ever onward [08-Sep-24 04:52 PM] tanda#0000 I have an ASM base to drop for PSK, then I've got to fix some odds and ends on my bases [08-Sep-24 04:53 PM] avalock#0000 probably after this base repair project [08-Sep-24 04:53 PM] tanda#0000 moving BMP's off Elon, for instance [08-Sep-24 04:53 PM] avalock#0000 ahhhh worm [08-Sep-24 04:53 PM] tanda#0000 I have been dawdling on two base repairs too [08-Sep-24 04:53 PM] tanda#0000 but they're not very expensive anyway [08-Sep-24 04:54 PM] avalock#0000 valid [08-Sep-24 04:54 PM] avalock#0000 its been a real upgrade what i have production wise, upgrade logistics, and do maintenance sort of month [08-Sep-24 04:56 PM] tanda#0000 I hear that. I got put into survival mode by this HYF base. I've put up more shipping contracts in the last 3 weeks than I have in all my prior gameplay [08-Sep-24 04:56 PM] avalock#0000 lmao fair [08-Sep-24 04:57 PM] avalock#0000 once my logistics woes are fulfilled, iโ€™ll most likely go for a smelting base to smelt left over ore [08-Sep-24 04:57 PM] tanda#0000 that's a pretty solid expansion plan with all the ore you mine [08-Sep-24 04:57 PM] avalock#0000 yeeee [08-Sep-24 04:58 PM] avalock#0000 im debating what other raw resources i might want [08-Sep-24 04:58 PM] avalock#0000 i still donโ€™t particularly care about profits lmao [08-Sep-24 04:59 PM] tanda#0000 I think water is probably a solid one (and not just because I need it) [08-Sep-24 04:59 PM] avalock#0000 im actually doing water for another project [08-Sep-24 05:00 PM] tanda#0000 ah, that was the base Rise set you up with? [08-Sep-24 05:00 PM] avalock#0000 2 of my bases are taken by exterior projects lol [08-Sep-24 05:00 PM] avalock#0000 yeeeee [08-Sep-24 05:00 PM] avalock#0000 i suppose my kevin base is also an external project base but it seems yโ€™all are stuffed when it comes to AR lol [08-Sep-24 05:03 PM] tanda#0000 for how much of a pain it is to transport it sure does burn slowly [08-Sep-24 05:03 PM] tanda#0000 I have 2 weeks supply of it yet [08-Sep-24 05:03 PM] avalock#0000 nice [08-Sep-24 05:04 PM] avalock#0000 i have 1k on aceland as a buffer for now [08-Sep-24 05:05 PM] tanda#0000 that's good. I'll still try to pick it up at the source for now [08-Sep-24 05:05 PM] tanda#0000 hoping to have a 2k/2k here in the next couple weeks, and if I can get a couple more levels upgraded on the warehouse, I can get 1.1k pre run [08-Sep-24 05:05 PM] avalock#0000 sounds good :3 [08-Sep-24 05:05 PM] avalock#0000 oooo [08-Sep-24 05:06 PM] avalock#0000 2k/2k might be good for 3rd ship for me [08-Sep-24 05:06 PM] avalock#0000 cause it would be the one that runs from KI401d to aceland [08-Sep-24 05:06 PM] avalock#0000 and i could have a stop at elon along the way for resource extraction [08-Sep-24 05:07 PM] tanda#0000 oh definitely. two WCBs should be enough for the minerals, as those are mostly a lot closer in than 401d is [08-Sep-24 05:11 PM] avalock#0000 yeeee [08-Sep-24 05:12 PM] avalock#0000 i might plan out my network a bit after i have the ships [08-Sep-24 05:15 PM] tanda#0000 huh, REA is almost completely out of stock across all CX's [08-Sep-24 05:15 PM] tanda#0000 BRM isn't doing much better [08-Sep-24 05:16 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, Iโ€™ve thought of making BRM -> REA, but the logistics are really annoying if you donโ€™t do the mining and chemistry on the same planet [08-Sep-24 05:18 PM] tanda#0000 there's also not too many really good locations nearby [08-Sep-24 05:25 PM] tanda#0000 I see what you mean, and the worst part is that there's not much in the way of planets that could be purposed for it [08-Sep-24 05:25 PM] tanda#0000 at least not quickly [08-Sep-24 05:49 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, that and not a huge amount of demand to encourage you to do such a thing [09-Sep-24 01:10 AM] razenpok#0000 Cheap LCB on AI1 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1282583944474136620/image.png?ex=68150aa1&is=6813b921&hm=c0386202226a75a8182b1aafd490ff0e62ce9f5bee0985dbb31af2b5756ebb2b& [09-Sep-24 01:17 AM] laaxus#0000 can ANYBODY please fix the H market ? [09-Sep-24 01:17 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1282585599236247592/image.png?ex=68150c2c&is=6813baac&hm=6e73704e3990b47233480e608c9504d2d32bbe6a1526dd0d1281ee74e69a61c3& [09-Sep-24 01:17 AM] laaxus#0000 WTH are those prices [09-Sep-24 01:17 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1282585722116640880/image.png?ex=68150c49&is=6813bac9&hm=6e23f640300ee954c2e9d193da051109c22a606948248318ce3a1d21f3aed7a6& [09-Sep-24 01:44 AM] dizzplaced#0000 anybody know how to use parental controls to restrict my access to google sheets ๐Ÿ˜… {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1282592560719728670/table.png?ex=681512a7&is=6813c127&hm=6fedf194ca373319e7dba7897025058ad69578932d126e965f8a5f981119ea4c& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [09-Sep-24 03:11 AM] finestone#0000 1400 M3 per day lol [09-Sep-24 03:11 AM] laaxus#0000 H gotta be shipped [09-Sep-24 03:12 AM] finestone#0000 True just saying you aint making near that much and the logistic hassel would be a nightmare i buy my H for 50/u [09-Sep-24 03:15 AM] finestone#0000 buy yeah moving avg over the last month has gone from 100 to 150 very important resource [09-Sep-24 06:58 AM] laaxus#0000 @razenpokEta for the shipment ? No pressure, just planning from my side [09-Sep-24 06:59 AM] razenpok#0000 5h 25m [09-Sep-24 06:59 AM] laaxus#0000 tyvm [09-Sep-24 08:01 AM] marat_sh#0000 damn... it's even worse now? [09-Sep-24 08:03 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1282687789611094087/image.png?ex=6814c298&is=68137118&hm=376a4a37fcc74b108c86a5c1a82a41a605e363211a1966967e1374bac3fe938b& [09-Sep-24 08:04 AM] marat_sh#0000 I am sure some traders will be on it like they are on MCG [09-Sep-24 08:05 AM] marat_sh#0000 this looks like a good trade deal [09-Sep-24 08:18 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 This shortage started at BEN actually, the spike at ANT is likely from the complete lack of supply there and traders trying to fix it there. So it's not just trading, it's a supply shortage. I know that at least 7 H bases were built in BEN this week though so... that's up to 8-9k H/d at least [09-Sep-24 08:19 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Should correct soon, especially in ANT [09-Sep-24 08:20 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'm also trying to become a MM for H at BEN too, which will hopefully help prevent this in the future... [09-Sep-24 06:19 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://tenor.com/view/laughing-giggle-happy-gif-14414515 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/laughing-giggle-happy-gif-14414515 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/hs3y94mYLecPbGa9qLYqDMbyboWQjGjy1s5BjprGQbo/https/media.tenor.com/MUeK2euvx9EAAAAe/laughing-giggle.png [09-Sep-24 06:22 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Those aren't corrections, unless 50 newbros have dropped on Katoa. Long-term players are dropping off like flies --- it's not funny, even though it kinda is. [09-Sep-24 06:29 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 There's also the consideration of "THE" inflationary economy, which we're all experiencing atm. View the most recent economy reports. Add the true values from Liquidity sinks, (should be negative), with the Liquidity taps (should be positive). Those liquidity taps will continue... Ad infinitum. Some newbros may shove a stop-gap plug to collect some B-fab / fuel revenues... But there's a thorough prioritisation on the EDCC/IDC, such that..... **prices will will still go up, on the basic stuff** [10-Sep-24 01:16 AM] cptboby#0000 I would love to,but i have neither the capital nor the ships to do it yet [10-Sep-24 01:21 AM] laaxus#0000 Honestly, if you don't have the capital, you should not invest in it [10-Sep-24 01:21 AM] laaxus#0000 It's a bubble, I'm quitte sure the market is correcting [10-Sep-24 01:22 AM] laaxus#0000 There probably ships going from ben to ant [10-Sep-24 02:14 AM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1282962289703653417/92z07a.png?ex=6815197e&is=6813c7fe&hm=e4f761978a2757d218f0bf70b5a8e5350ecf6750a73fb897a64eaa901dcff44a& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [10-Sep-24 10:48 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283091788076159049/image.png?ex=6814e958&is=681397d8&hm=c3b816929571e5cb125a5586332d35fbe3a49872b51d67b8f1d7904dcc343aaf& [10-Sep-24 10:48 AM] laaxus#0000 it's not a bubble INVESTTTT [10-Sep-24 10:55 AM] razenpok#0000 https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-wwe-vince-mc-mahon-wwe-vince-mc-mahon-funny-vince-mc-mahon-stare-gif-26826859 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-wwe-vince-mc-mahon-wwe-vince-mc-mahon-funny-vince-mc-mahon-stare-gif-26826859 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/THqlYpzLAa2ANqdwiggqYk-zpTp4XEHWDdpYlC-voig/https/media.tenor.com/zsc4BktudowAAAAe/vince-mcmahon-wwe.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [10-Sep-24 10:55 AM] razenpok#0000 Every shipbuilder in 3 months [10-Sep-24 10:58 AM] razenpok#0000 WHAT IF They are introducing a new kind of H-based fuel => demand for VCB ships goes up => more ships are built => production of everything else leading to ships also gets stimulated => people produce less IDC/EDC for more profits elsewhere [10-Sep-24 11:04 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bJoSV.gif [10-Sep-24 11:57 AM] imjoshuarice#0000 ๐Ÿซ  {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283109053693825158/zen_qCvS7N9PFp.png?ex=6814f96d&is=6813a7ed&hm=69100d17031820b6d3dcd7ba9332034064c21c278713e1a51e2071c18b8ccc44& [10-Sep-24 12:00 PM] marat_sh#0000 Blood said... "I am done with this bs" *puts 2000 BID on SFKs* [10-Sep-24 12:02 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283110383510360105/zen_5g36AIWOcU.png?ex=6814faaa&is=6813a92a&hm=d0198372663bbb09f2703f8ff468dc65f11e54a61a5f73c9e1e533d90776a1c9& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283110383762145310/zen_EiJ3JdctoK.png?ex=6814faaa&is=6813a92a&hm=a914c798eed1bb9c4e591a1fb38dde4d82bdb5b3b1ee8656a8c0fec2ab0e6611& [10-Sep-24 12:04 PM] razenpok#0000 I can sell you 175 for bid price [10-Sep-24 12:05 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 Happy to take you up on that [10-Sep-24 12:06 PM] razenpok#0000 Send me a cont (ANT/Heph) [10-Sep-24 12:07 PM] razenpok#0000 Ok, I think I'll extend my HRT trip to MOR and buy some 5k-10k SFK there to bring it to ANT [10-Sep-24 12:07 PM] razenpok#0000 Will be back in ~3 days [10-Sep-24 12:09 PM] razenpok#0000 In the meantime, I have 1000 SFK on ANT+Heph combined if anyone needs it during this period [10-Sep-24 12:11 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 Ta, lmk if I've done it wrong. It's my first time ๐Ÿ˜Š [10-Sep-24 12:11 PM] razenpok#0000 All good ๐Ÿ‘Œ [10-Sep-24 12:12 PM] laaxus#0000 but I really want this sfk [10-Sep-24 12:13 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm just offering long term assurance of profit, hoping producers will come [10-Sep-24 12:14 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 10-Sep-24 02:52 PM 10-Sep-24 02:52 PM ish, omw ANT to sell {Reactions} ๐Ÿค [10-Sep-24 12:18 PM] laaxus#0000 updated my offer {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283114318480805898/image.png?ex=6814fe54&is=6813acd4&hm=8a8a7a3efb3ab1497a9281499e1694bf172b9e6a70732f2ac2e7834fa810c5f6& [10-Sep-24 12:18 PM] razenpok#0000 Make it 90 :Tasty: [10-Sep-24 12:19 PM] laaxus#0000 80 is a good enough roi (around 10) [10-Sep-24 12:19 PM] laaxus#0000 it's a more than fair price [10-Sep-24 12:21 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 ๐Ÿฟ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283115167210536990/trade-offer-517795193.gif?ex=6814ff1e&is=6813ad9e&hm=edb3103dcd1763d5aea5c08e6abbba80f4db6688fe414ac7b45ee4193c3911d6& [10-Sep-24 12:42 PM] tanda#0000 Alright I'm convinced [10-Sep-24 12:42 PM] tanda#0000 Who wants to do a BRM base and I do a REA base? [10-Sep-24 12:49 PM] kahetabi#0000 Looking for corp on Harmonia [10-Sep-24 12:50 PM] jcheung#0000 BRM only base makes 521/d on 840c.... 16 CHP on REA needs 917.14... if you add 1 EXT to the CHP with 1 expert that cuts it down to 884.63... import 364 BRM/d or get a second base to support you 12 CHP / 4 EXT would need 567/d, yield 274 REA/d import 46 BRM/d or 4/2 expert would be 517/d, yield 255 REA/d [10-Sep-24 12:50 PM] laaxus#0000 I'd recommend playing a few weeks before joining a corp [10-Sep-24 12:50 PM] laaxus#0000 they have different view on how to play [10-Sep-24 12:50 PM] laaxus#0000 you should join a like minded corp [10-Sep-24 12:50 PM] jcheung#0000 well [10-Sep-24 12:50 PM] jcheung#0000 a corp with HQ on harmonia would boost their output [10-Sep-24 12:50 PM] kahetabi#0000 Tht mean I have to search for corp anyway [10-Sep-24 12:51 PM] laaxus#0000 you can, but I don't think you know what you want yet [10-Sep-24 12:51 PM] laaxus#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1202242458109345863 [10-Sep-24 12:51 PM] kahetabi#0000 And I'm going to gain that knowledge just sitting? [10-Sep-24 12:51 PM] laaxus#0000 I recommend reading through this [10-Sep-24 12:52 PM] laaxus#0000 that's up to you [10-Sep-24 12:52 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm 3 weeks into the game, still not joined a corp [10-Sep-24 12:53 PM] kahetabi#0000 ๐Ÿคท [10-Sep-24 12:53 PM] jcheung#0000 you can kind of treat ADI as an unofficial corp [10-Sep-24 12:53 PM] jcheung#0000 we even have an internal market and 'internal' projects! [10-Sep-24 12:54 PM] laaxus#0000 I don't know if, in 1 or 2 year of time, I'd be more interested in - Politics - Margin trading - safe internal market at fixed rate - something else ? [10-Sep-24 12:54 PM] laaxus#0000 I don't want to join and leave [10-Sep-24 12:54 PM] kahetabi#0000 ๐Ÿคท [10-Sep-24 12:55 PM] jcheung#0000 anyways [10-Sep-24 12:55 PM] jcheung#0000 what do you hope to get out of a corp? [10-Sep-24 12:55 PM] kahetabi#0000 output boost [10-Sep-24 12:55 PM] jcheung#0000 hrm [10-Sep-24 12:56 PM] kahetabi#0000 And what comes with it [10-Sep-24 12:56 PM] jcheung#0000 if you just want a corp HQ on harmonia, try planet chat [10-Sep-24 12:56 PM] jcheung#0000 COMG pl-zv-896b [10-Sep-24 12:57 PM] jcheung#0000 try... idk, "anyone with a corp HQ here?" or something [10-Sep-24 12:59 PM] kahetabi#0000 I hoped for ADI affiliated corp, I guess that's not how that works [10-Sep-24 01:05 PM] jcheung#0000 ADI does have a corp, but its HQ is on Elon to boost output there [10-Sep-24 01:19 PM] marat_sh#0000 I think 90 is a fair price... since it's not traded daily and you don't use that much of it [10-Sep-24 01:21 PM] marat_sh#0000 it's like ~5% of cost to make a REP [10-Sep-24 01:22 PM] marat_sh#0000 INS in the other hand is ~80% of the cost [10-Sep-24 01:29 PM] laaxus#0000 For now, I believe 80 is fair enough [10-Sep-24 01:29 PM] laaxus#0000 At 90, I'd rather build them myself [10-Sep-24 01:31 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/0UqLy6RXCOjPiTP7wU8wK0S2j4Yu9rskR4BdjswwmyY/https/media.tenor.com/x9HyTfKBXVEAAAAe/doja-cat.png [10-Sep-24 01:33 PM] laaxus#0000 sure, will you buy part of my production at 90 ? [10-Sep-24 01:39 PM] marat_sh#0000 Not a lot but yes [10-Sep-24 01:40 PM] marat_sh#0000 I use like ~7 SFKs per day ๐Ÿคฃ [10-Sep-24 01:41 PM] marat_sh#0000 Make like 500 of them chill for a month ๐Ÿ˜… [10-Sep-24 01:43 PM] laaxus#0000 And then what do I do with the useless FS ? XD [10-Sep-24 01:49 PM] laaxus#0000 nvm, I'll just destroy 2 ext and put 2 fs for SFK production only [10-Sep-24 01:50 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm starting to do a vertical economic build ... [10-Sep-24 01:50 PM] laaxus#0000 I could only live so long before becoming the vilain [10-Sep-24 01:54 PM] marat_sh#0000 BCO? [10-Sep-24 01:54 PM] marat_sh#0000 They will be in the demand for Gate production [10-Sep-24 02:04 PM] laaxus#0000 I can't afford to run a base in the red for 2 month [10-Sep-24 02:05 PM] marat_sh#0000 find customers for FS products then [10-Sep-24 02:05 PM] marat_sh#0000 some people might buy from you instead of making it [10-Sep-24 05:06 PM] razenpok#0000 Is it possible to pick up items from sell cont directly into a ship inventory? [10-Sep-24 05:56 PM] jcheung#0000 Pick up, yes [10-Sep-24 05:56 PM] jcheung#0000 Drop off, no [10-Sep-24 06:58 PM] tanda#0000 This is more what I had in mind {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283214948075573279/Screenshot_2024-09-10_165703.png?ex=6814b34c&is=681361cc&hm=8552f7e4633f5f9dcc6943b9d285a6173ea17bc964f34372818a2ca25b237631& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283214948738142208/Screenshot_2024-09-10_165712.png?ex=6814b34c&is=681361cc&hm=47f191b48220f1ff3882c65f411c819c17581da4aa5d56f5a424f72df000c238& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283214949128081419/Screenshot_2024-09-10_165732.png?ex=6814b34c&is=681361cc&hm=9e19f8a570248993a173f3ffbdec63bbe56200267340537dee56d712bd39ff4c& [10-Sep-24 06:59 PM] tanda#0000 doing a Chem COGC might be a good idea or it might be a terrible one. Definitely the EXT base needs the Resource Extraction COGC in order to get closer to 1:1 [10-Sep-24 07:03 PM] tanda#0000 Sorry about the numbers, forgot to change it off internal calcs since there is 0 presence for BRM or REA on the CX [10-Sep-24 07:04 PM] jcheung#0000 What does full ext base look like on 266c? [10-Sep-24 07:05 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283216713474904144/image.png?ex=6814b4f1&is=68136371&hm=9fcf675f3943af534892fc8d15d0c6b4f7b407bc618e3a5a08f1ed77fda1ddd6& [10-Sep-24 07:05 PM] tanda#0000 very low maintenance as well, could just resupply every month or so [10-Sep-24 07:09 PM] tanda#0000 Anyway, definitely looking for a partner for this base pair inside of the next 2-3 weeks if anyone is interested [10-Sep-24 07:10 PM] tanda#0000 Definitely open to further discusssion regarding details [10-Sep-24 07:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 Would this be an EXT base and a CHP base? [10-Sep-24 07:11 PM] tanda#0000 yes [10-Sep-24 07:11 PM] tanda#0000 It is a brand new planet, but it's the best BRM source near ANT, and only one red bar [10-Sep-24 07:12 PM] tanda#0000 better than having to run supply ships up to the far side of BEN space, I think [10-Sep-24 07:12 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™d think Iโ€™d be interested - Malahat needs OLF ๐Ÿ˜„ [10-Sep-24 07:13 PM] tanda#0000 after seeing the new fuel requirements today, I really see REA spiking badly [10-Sep-24 07:13 PM] tanda#0000 would be nice to be ahead of that curve [10-Sep-24 07:13 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, thatโ€™s a good point too [10-Sep-24 07:14 PM] sidepipe#0000 But I need REA for OLF in the meantime, so weโ€™ll have at least one guaranteed consumer ๐Ÿ˜„ [10-Sep-24 07:14 PM] jcheung#0000 This is with no chem cogc? [10-Sep-24 07:15 PM] tanda#0000 alright! Knowing you are you looking to sponsor/loan or are you actually looking to run a base? [10-Sep-24 07:15 PM] tanda#0000 yes, it's with a Resource Extraction COGC, not a Chem [10-Sep-24 07:15 PM] sidepipe#0000 Would be happy to do either ๐Ÿ™‚ [10-Sep-24 07:15 PM] sidepipe#0000 Though - how would the balance look for a chem COGC? [10-Sep-24 07:15 PM] tanda#0000 one sec [10-Sep-24 07:16 PM] jcheung#0000 Up here [10-Sep-24 07:16 PM] jcheung#0000 But for a different planet... [10-Sep-24 07:16 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283219623067648040/Screenshot_2024-09-10_171617.png?ex=6814b7a7&is=68136627&hm=455e008c5266635c96ca29e95034171be50de708f4fb6757c235ab420247429b& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283219623633883209/Screenshot_2024-09-10_171624.png?ex=6814b7a7&is=68136627&hm=7c417a472babedb97e8834d1bdca481b2878c2902cf66500cc61da3b79041704& [10-Sep-24 07:16 PM] tanda#0000 It's very close to 2 EXT for one CHP [10-Sep-24 07:17 PM] jcheung#0000 You can also drop one STO for an EXT as well btw [10-Sep-24 07:18 PM] tanda#0000 that puts it over by 5 area ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [10-Sep-24 07:19 PM] jcheung#0000 Oh. I forgot that put it at -5 PIO [10-Sep-24 07:23 PM] sidepipe#0000 So we need 53.3 OLF / day on Malahat, which is about 90 REA per day. Iโ€™d be happy to sponsor bases and buy that much at a reasonable price, or run one of the bases and also buy that much at a reasonable price ๐Ÿ™‚ [10-Sep-24 07:24 PM] jcheung#0000 ~~see if ava wants to get more rocks~~ [10-Sep-24 07:25 PM] tanda#0000 I thought about it, but it feels like pigeonholing them [10-Sep-24 07:25 PM] tanda#0000 though it's a really low maintenance base, they might be interested in either [10-Sep-24 07:25 PM] jcheung#0000 I think they might be doing it to themselves ๐Ÿ˜‚ [10-Sep-24 07:25 PM] tanda#0000 afaik they said they needed time to catch up on the logi side [10-Sep-24 07:27 PM] jcheung#0000 At least this one is just conts [10-Sep-24 07:27 PM] jcheung#0000 I run one for rise, the receiver just sends 3-4 conts a week to me and i fill whenever [10-Sep-24 07:28 PM] tanda#0000 you run a BRM base? [10-Sep-24 07:31 PM] jcheung#0000 Yeah, on 840c [10-Sep-24 07:32 PM] tanda#0000 @avalock if you'd be interested, give me a bark later [10-Sep-24 07:32 PM] avalock#0000 in what, woof [10-Sep-24 07:33 PM] jcheung#0000 Bark first, answers later i see [10-Sep-24 07:33 PM] jcheung#0000 Tanda wants to know if you want to help make big rocks into smaller rocks [10-Sep-24 07:33 PM] avalock#0000 Wruff! [10-Sep-24 07:34 PM] tanda#0000 it's an EXT base feeding an on planet CHP base. Should be effectively 0 Logistics [10-Sep-24 07:35 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283224242262900786/image0.gif?ex=6814bbf4&is=68136a74&hm=d697b9436543a13253b61cfdda9388c6251c35aa043c5cfb5d1ce40c7065f7f9& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ต [10-Sep-24 07:35 PM] tanda#0000 ROI on the base should be 15 days or less [10-Sep-24 08:22 PM] avalock#0000 Woof! [10-Sep-24 08:22 PM] avalock#0000 wruff [10-Sep-24 08:22 PM] tanda#0000 excellent, sounds like we barking up the right tree [10-Sep-24 08:27 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283237360963686482/image0.gif?ex=6814c82c&is=681376ac&hm=c1a47d5f50e6fb7272359c86afc3578807f6159af4a8c3681985cd278c59ff72& [10-Sep-24 08:42 PM] avalock#0000 lmk plan in morning [10-Sep-24 08:42 PM] avalock#0000 :3 [10-Sep-24 08:44 PM] tanda#0000 will do! [11-Sep-24 02:56 AM] getonthetrain#0000 I have been eyeing up YK-266c for days before the gateway news even dropped. Just the BRM alone is valuable, logistics aside. [11-Sep-24 02:57 AM] getonthetrain#0000 I would be happy to be the miner there [11-Sep-24 03:22 AM] jcheung#0000 Sounds like that's two miners... so potentially could do, uh... chemistry cogc, 3 miners 2 chem? Or extraction cogc and 2 miner 2 chem? [11-Sep-24 03:24 AM] jcheung#0000 ...i guess there's that question of "how much is too much REA" [11-Sep-24 05:30 AM] laaxus#0000 This hurts {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283374034394021991/image.png?ex=68149eb5&is=68134d35&hm=e3cc0ac89fe30b1695768e6a58ab17c4ace98782887c2ff3e306ff7ae9122b4e& [11-Sep-24 05:35 AM] laaxus#0000 ANYBODY with 2 PSL on phobos ? [11-Sep-24 05:35 AM] laaxus#0000 ๐Ÿ˜… [11-Sep-24 05:35 AM] laaxus#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ญ [11-Sep-24 06:02 AM] laaxus#0000 (this is the second time it happens to me in 48h ..) [11-Sep-24 07:01 AM] avalock#0000 gg [11-Sep-24 07:16 AM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-9768115684448299797 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-9768115684448299797 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/SzOmOFcLHgwFuVl6V33chNrYarF2JroGNj3CresE27E/https/media.tenor.com/h49Rdhh2axUAAAAe/big-oof-size.png [11-Sep-24 07:20 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/illusion-loop-falling-down-stairs-moebius-loop-forever-gif-5511820 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/illusion-loop-falling-down-stairs-moebius-loop-forever-gif-5511820 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/yDq-REqYYmzq6dRGg3d7l0rDt1cbtLr7fPRAAgNkS0s/https/media.tenor.com/awc8Stp16TMAAAAe/illusion-loop.png [11-Sep-24 05:43 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 Well, I just made my first expensive mistake. I didn't realise how much space LST took up and bought 576 units [11-Sep-24 05:44 PM] getonthetrain#0000 where at? market or Nike? [11-Sep-24 05:44 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 Market => Warehouse [11-Sep-24 05:45 PM] getonthetrain#0000 183 per starter ship load [11-Sep-24 05:45 PM] getonthetrain#0000 what price you paid? I could take a shipload off ya [11-Sep-24 05:45 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 Would have been nice for there to have been some kind of warning ๐Ÿ˜… I guess I won't be making that mistake again [11-Sep-24 05:46 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 Nah I'm in need of LST, but since I didn't have the inventory space 420 went to the void [11-Sep-24 05:46 PM] getonthetrain#0000 should be there in a contract waiting for space, no? [11-Sep-24 05:47 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 Ah that's how it works? Nevermind then, thank you for pointing that out ๐Ÿ™‚ [11-Sep-24 05:47 PM] getonthetrain#0000 alright then [11-Sep-24 06:14 PM] jcheung#0000 are you free, pro or basic? [11-Sep-24 06:15 PM] jcheung#0000 nvm, pro. where are you sending that LST? depending on where you need it i may be able to help right now [11-Sep-24 07:30 PM] jvaler#0000 i think i need to get a phobos base to reach out to newbies there... lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [11-Sep-24 07:31 PM] jvaler#0000 explaining to them why phobos sucks is tedious though :/ [11-Sep-24 07:31 PM] tanda#0000 maybe just do a FP base there? [11-Sep-24 07:31 PM] getonthetrain#0000 oh gosh, I started on phobos before I even knew about cogc [11-Sep-24 07:31 PM] getonthetrain#0000 Phobos prob worst newb planet in game, no? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [11-Sep-24 07:32 PM] jvaler#0000 maybe i could make a PrUn basics google doc or something to explain efficiency factors lol. stuff like experts, CoGC, and why vertical integration within the same base is inefficient 90% of the time [11-Sep-24 07:32 PM] jvaler#0000 FRM base [11-Sep-24 07:32 PM] jvaler#0000 i keep saying phobos should be agri [11-Sep-24 07:32 PM] jvaler#0000 so i'll put my money where my mouth is [11-Sep-24 07:33 PM] getonthetrain#0000 eh, filth isn't gonna like that [11-Sep-24 07:33 PM] tanda#0000 well we can't flip it anyway [11-Sep-24 07:33 PM] getonthetrain#0000 them rich folks with their IDC bases and such [11-Sep-24 07:33 PM] jvaler#0000 ofc not [11-Sep-24 07:33 PM] tanda#0000 guarantee there's too much pressure from voters on the COGC {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [11-Sep-24 07:34 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't think rise uses phobos for MM though, it's location makes it better suited for ship electronics i'd imagine [11-Sep-24 07:34 PM] tanda#0000 I have heard him state: "I need another electronics planet" [11-Sep-24 07:34 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah my 1 vote won't flip CoGC, but it at least represents interest in changing it ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ [11-Sep-24 07:34 PM] tanda#0000 like 3 times now {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [11-Sep-24 07:35 PM] jvaler#0000 *those* probably are MM [11-Sep-24 07:35 PM] jvaler#0000 they've called those planets secret/illegal or something iirc =P [11-Sep-24 07:36 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283587033218154496/image.png?ex=6814bc54&is=68136ad4&hm=fc05e45dfdf1b0982066b8da80b8becdc1998b5e0a1d0fa29da9f5b74d9e7e8d& [11-Sep-24 07:36 PM] tanda#0000 I don't think he has more than one or two [11-Sep-24 07:36 PM] tanda#0000 Malahat is conspicuously absent [11-Sep-24 07:38 PM] jvaler#0000 any self respecting antares patriot wouldn't touch moria space [11-Sep-24 07:39 PM] tanda#0000 welp, guess that excludes me ๐Ÿคฃ [11-Sep-24 07:40 PM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/sus-cat-2-suspicious-cat-the-cat-looks-suspiciously-cat-sits-in-front-of-food-the-ginger-cat-is-watching-gif-14890167989997543813 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sus-cat-2-suspicious-cat-the-cat-looks-suspiciously-cat-sits-in-front-of-food-the-ginger-cat-is-watching-gif-14890167989997543813 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1mmXYsXutIg-d7xhf2cE_k_CBm2dxioqB-tZwqEQgtc/https/media.tenor.com/zqSA5TmyIYUAAAAe/sus-cat-2-suspicious-cat.png [11-Sep-24 07:41 PM] getonthetrain#0000 Tanda, when you thinking you'll be over at that BRM base we talking about? [11-Sep-24 07:42 PM] tanda#0000 2 weeks minimum. I need to set Nike Jr to start doing BSE for you/Maybe Avacyn. I also need to source BWS for my HQ upgrades as well as COGC construction on YK-266c [11-Sep-24 07:43 PM] getonthetrain#0000 I'm gonna try to get over there this weekend and start small. How long does it take for workers to arrive if there is no unemployed on planet? [11-Sep-24 07:43 PM] getonthetrain#0000 ANT market needs BRM [11-Sep-24 07:43 PM] tanda#0000 you will start with 200 PIO for sure [11-Sep-24 07:43 PM] getonthetrain#0000 oh, ok [11-Sep-24 07:44 PM] tanda#0000 past that I was actually going to ask for some mentorship to find out what to expect. I know I'll need to build a INF on the planet and stock the SST with (mostly likely) both DW and OFF [11-Sep-24 07:44 PM] getonthetrain#0000 well, I can build OFF if needed [11-Sep-24 07:44 PM] jvaler#0000 INF is for SET not PIO [11-Sep-24 07:44 PM] jvaler#0000 or are you processing the BRM on-site? [11-Sep-24 07:44 PM] tanda#0000 I gotta run a CHP base on there [11-Sep-24 07:45 PM] jvaler#0000 ah [11-Sep-24 07:45 PM] getonthetrain#0000 gotta process on site, BRM is way too big to move volumes [11-Sep-24 07:45 PM] tanda#0000 Health does accelerate PIO growth too, I hope? [11-Sep-24 07:45 PM] jvaler#0000 i believe it does affect their happiness? [11-Sep-24 07:46 PM] tanda#0000 that will probably be useful then. We will need a further 2000 PIO on the planet from current [11-Sep-24 07:46 PM] tanda#0000 I'll move this to governance [11-Sep-24 07:54 PM] jcheung#0000 IDC base time? [11-Sep-24 07:57 PM] tanda#0000 I was looking at that for PP4's but maybe it would be better for PP3s [11-Sep-24 07:57 PM] jvaler#0000 you think so lowly of me... [11-Sep-24 08:00 PM] archielvahr#0000 You can make WAI there instead ๐Ÿ˜ [11-Sep-24 08:02 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm all in on RCO [11-Sep-24 08:05 PM] tanda#0000 apparently we need some more BWS [11-Sep-24 08:05 PM] tanda#0000 I'm fixing to buy 20% of the supply on all the CX's right now {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [11-Sep-24 08:08 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/747W.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/desire-to-know-more-tell-gif-14280322 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/vNgvfDfiAS4LmEGLZzlRxGe3K6-m6Op5eLalxbLaXyE/https/media.tenor.com/q2wnLwfVtU0AAAAe/desire-to.png [11-Sep-24 08:09 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283595267156869231/Screenshot_2024-09-11_180905.png?ex=6814c3ff&is=6813727f&hm=42d0521d0bb9bf681945ed74d5d7ebd732b7be88d3f59d5efa51d1589982d4c5& [11-Sep-24 08:09 PM] tanda#0000 This is it [11-Sep-24 08:13 PM] jvaler#0000 OVE/EXO/PWO for the consumable gods [11-Sep-24 08:13 PM] jvaler#0000 it won't be profitable [11-Sep-24 08:13 PM] jvaler#0000 like at all {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283596248364093500/image.png?ex=6814c4e9&is=68137369&hm=7e32e7af502e600907709ee590746e4f59e2db013336efa9a632129d47309423& [11-Sep-24 08:13 PM] jvaler#0000 but idrc [11-Sep-24 08:13 PM] jvaler#0000 mainly there to shill ADI to newbies in chat after all [11-Sep-24 08:14 PM] jcheung#0000 could do *some* electronics [11-Sep-24 08:14 PM] marat_sh#0000 coup base ๐Ÿ˜… [11-Sep-24 08:14 PM] jvaler#0000 errr, those were old plans [11-Sep-24 08:14 PM] marat_sh#0000 I mean it make sense [11-Sep-24 08:14 PM] marat_sh#0000 Agro planet Close to CX is nice [11-Sep-24 08:14 PM] tanda#0000 at least do something profitable? Permits are getting expensive [11-Sep-24 08:15 PM] jvaler#0000 but i can forget about it for 4 months at a time ๐Ÿฅบ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283596746483699734/image.png?ex=6814c560&is=681373e0&hm=b013d172c4c58477d349ceca25d97dbcd0a4957e681310d6e8f84585e56a5a7c& {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [11-Sep-24 08:15 PM] marat_sh#0000 but problem with agro it's only good if paired with Food [11-Sep-24 08:15 PM] tanda#0000 RCO there will usually be a market for at least [11-Sep-24 08:15 PM] marat_sh#0000 Oh yeah for sure [11-Sep-24 08:16 PM] jvaler#0000 never in my life [11-Sep-24 08:16 PM] jvaler#0000 i hate electronics so much [11-Sep-24 08:16 PM] jvaler#0000 awful headache recipes [11-Sep-24 08:16 PM] jcheung#0000 ~~what about on tanda's wallet~~ [11-Sep-24 08:16 PM] tanda#0000 what about my wallet? [11-Sep-24 08:16 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/thief-funny-hilarious-not-sleeping-money-gif-17922029 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/thief-funny-hilarious-not-sleeping-money-gif-17922029 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/EitH8PIkxyuYPIktoX80SKwCJg-GeOJeYe8fk1TBmkA/https/media.tenor.com/eiHa3xlRno0AAAAe/thief-funny.png [11-Sep-24 08:16 PM] tanda#0000 heck even I just looked at the BWS supply chain and went "nope" {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [11-Sep-24 08:16 PM] jcheung#0000 hah [11-Sep-24 08:17 PM] getonthetrain#0000 it would be better if you could actually find the supply chain components on the market, but nope [11-Sep-24 08:18 PM] getonthetrain#0000 and no one gonna supply it since it's expensive as all get out, and no guarantees since it seems that everything electronics is kept in corporations [11-Sep-24 08:19 PM] marat_sh#0000 problem that the the end products for electroincs are not in the demand [11-Sep-24 08:19 PM] getonthetrain#0000 that too [11-Sep-24 08:19 PM] marat_sh#0000 and there wouldn't be a demand since everyone is poor ๐Ÿ˜… [11-Sep-24 08:20 PM] jvaler#0000 oh wait it's way better if i use the NS recipe. last i checked the NS recipe sucked lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283597956871618703/image.png?ex=6814c681&is=68137501&hm=c8768e4c230e153664ef22faf218988ae2402a93abcc84aa330ee821807b576f& [11-Sep-24 08:20 PM] jvaler#0000 still pretty bad but [11-Sep-24 08:20 PM] jvaler#0000 i get my money from CAAP so [11-Sep-24 08:20 PM] marat_sh#0000 Now hear me out... Food processing Phobos [11-Sep-24 08:21 PM] jvaler#0000 why tho [11-Sep-24 08:21 PM] marat_sh#0000 mix farms and FP [11-Sep-24 08:21 PM] jvaler#0000 gross... [11-Sep-24 08:21 PM] sidepipe#0000 Mine FEO on Phobos ๐Ÿ˜‰ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [11-Sep-24 08:22 PM] marat_sh#0000 I mean... I don't see phobos being an agro world I am gonna be honest with you ๐Ÿ˜… [11-Sep-24 08:22 PM] jvaler#0000 jvaler's first week PrUn aspirations: mine SIO on Phobos and make GL {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [11-Sep-24 08:23 PM] jvaler#0000 it's only 3% less fertile than harmonia [11-Sep-24 08:23 PM] marat_sh#0000 Yeah, but daily profits are not there [11-Sep-24 08:23 PM] jvaler#0000 same can be said for harmonia then [11-Sep-24 08:23 PM] marat_sh#0000 We gotta pay farmers more! [11-Sep-24 08:23 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/south-park-took-our-jobs-gif-25375110 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/south-park-took-our-jobs-gif-25375110 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/0hcU8Xqe5p-qUSfUXZw_Q3ixjeTYsF1ou7GaXGY-tJg/https/media.tenor.com/MutXy2ScjXgAAAAe/south-park.png [11-Sep-24 08:24 PM] jvaler#0000 [11-Sep-24 08:24 PM] tanda#0000 no wait, just ditch the FRMs [11-Sep-24 08:25 PM] marat_sh#0000 I mean... the whole point of changing cogc was to use fertility [11-Sep-24 08:25 PM] tanda#0000 yes, but FP's make profit, not FRMs [11-Sep-24 08:25 PM] marat_sh#0000 Yeah that's why I said to mix [11-Sep-24 08:25 PM] jvaler#0000 whole point of changing CoGC is that electronics is ass for newbies, the fertility just makes agri a possibility [11-Sep-24 08:26 PM] marat_sh#0000 make it resource extraction of SIO {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [11-Sep-24 08:28 PM] jvaler#0000 the thing about making phobos food processing is what's gonna feed it? one 13 FRM harmonia base just barely feeds 10 norwick FP running BEA/NUT/GRN :RAT: [11-Sep-24 08:28 PM] jvaler#0000 and norwick fits 28 FP, not 10 [11-Sep-24 08:28 PM] jvaler#0000 there's plenty of room on norwick to process added phobos agri [11-Sep-24 08:29 PM] marat_sh#0000 One sec... let me cook [11-Sep-24 08:30 PM] tanda#0000 the CX, lol. there's 6 different inputs [11-Sep-24 08:30 PM] tanda#0000 FP pays for itself in 15 days or so [11-Sep-24 08:30 PM] tanda#0000 is it sustainable? no [11-Sep-24 08:30 PM] tanda#0000 but it will pay itself off fast, and then you can just do DW [11-Sep-24 08:31 PM] jvaler#0000 CX items still come from somewhere and CX agri can't be relied on for large quantities [11-Sep-24 08:31 PM] jvaler#0000 and then DW price crashes... [11-Sep-24 08:31 PM] tanda#0000 but you're planning on running RCO through it for no profit? [11-Sep-24 08:31 PM] jvaler#0000 that's just my own base [11-Sep-24 08:32 PM] jvaler#0000 different conversation than CoGC flipping [11-Sep-24 08:32 PM] tanda#0000 okay, then I'm getting confused [11-Sep-24 08:32 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm doing something less profitable cause i'm lazy [11-Sep-24 08:32 PM] tanda#0000 I have definitely strongly considered the FP base due to the short term profit of it, but then again I've considered a lot of things for Phobos [11-Sep-24 08:33 PM] tanda#0000 it's such a bad COGC for that planet and this area it confuses me [11-Sep-24 08:33 PM] jvaler#0000 wish i knew the history of it lol. afaik it wasn't always this way? [11-Sep-24 08:34 PM] sidepipe#0000 You canโ€™t change it back now though - I make electronics there ๐Ÿ˜ญ [11-Sep-24 08:35 PM] jvaler#0000 progress isn't free ๐Ÿ—๏ธ [11-Sep-24 08:36 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283602139154874398/image.png?ex=6814ca66&is=681378e6&hm=04f82aad3d151f7b43c63248c5401bb2656259183bf40cc125603b71dfd18600& [11-Sep-24 08:36 PM] marat_sh#0000 I am not proud of what I've just cooked [11-Sep-24 08:36 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/sml-cooking-fire-cook-cooking-on-fire-gif-27330611 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sml-cooking-fire-cook-cooking-on-fire-gif-27330611 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/qcYUjEWNV5u-5jvKiYXhjWu-oU7PpJqv-XwwtFVAwPg/https/media.tenor.com/RUZ5x6VAm9UAAAAe/sml-cooking.png [11-Sep-24 08:37 PM] jvaler#0000 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/240196923644968960/1082878484218654821/attachment-4.gif {Embed} https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/240196923644968960/1082878484218654821/attachment-4.gif https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/240196923644968960/1082878484218654821/attachment-4.gif?ex=6814eeed&is=68139d6d&hm=773d65454269e1202af38528ddb46c323f35d419a54b276e276145365c462869& [11-Sep-24 08:42 PM] archielvahr#0000 Itโ€™s tough because farms are pretty low payout. You can send this to new players. But unfortunately there isnโ€™t a great match for Phobos. https://oogcapitalmanagement.com/posts/starting-in-antares/ {Embed} https://oogcapitalmanagement.com/posts/starting-in-antares/ Getting started in Antares | OOG Capital Management There are many ways to get started in Prosperous Universe that are better than a farming start on Promitor. [11-Sep-24 08:43 PM] archielvahr#0000 Non noob agriculture should happen in HYFs [11-Sep-24 08:43 PM] marat_sh#0000 remove phobos from list of starting planets and make heph instead of it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (3) [11-Sep-24 08:43 PM] tanda#0000 agreed [11-Sep-24 08:43 PM] archielvahr#0000 I bet molp would do that if we ask. [11-Sep-24 08:44 PM] archielvahr#0000 I think Phobos starts are an impediment to Antares player retention [11-Sep-24 08:44 PM] jvaler#0000 i feel like this table needs an ROI column, cause that's pretty important for a new player {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283604178408833056/image.png?ex=6814cc4c&is=68137acc&hm=f2294364d111c62da50ce01e1280699cb6e0a6f6ef3ddc432ebf31b0f4d59a53& [11-Sep-24 08:45 PM] archielvahr#0000 Not when they get an ADI grant ๐Ÿ˜ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [11-Sep-24 08:45 PM] jvaler#0000 that's true that's true [11-Sep-24 08:45 PM] archielvahr#0000 Heh thatโ€™s fair though. I do kind of address that at the end somewhere [11-Sep-24 08:46 PM] marat_sh#0000 Does anyone has power that can bring this to his attention? or do we need to make an online vote and give them the results [11-Sep-24 08:46 PM] tanda#0000 the best middle man would be Saganaki, no? [11-Sep-24 08:48 PM] archielvahr#0000 Anyone can make a forum post and those of us in behind-the-scenes can endorse it there. [11-Sep-24 08:48 PM] archielvahr#0000 Saganaki isnโ€™t Antares strictly so might not be too motivated [11-Sep-24 08:49 PM] marat_sh#0000 I am not good with words ๐Ÿฅฒ We need someone who can lay out good points in convincing way [11-Sep-24 08:49 PM] avalock#0000 woof [11-Sep-24 08:49 PM] marat_sh#0000 exactly [11-Sep-24 08:49 PM] tanda#0000 https://tenor.com/view/rip-meme-dog-no-bark-gif-25909809 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/rip-meme-dog-no-bark-gif-25909809 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ZV4GGaUj3qDdM48_nDEjO9BbTvlrUpibhxkKIqXJmDw/https/media.tenor.com/IIXK1px7iaMAAAAe/rip-meme.png [11-Sep-24 08:49 PM] tanda#0000 Bark! [11-Sep-24 08:49 PM] avalock#0000 WRUFF [11-Sep-24 08:49 PM] jvaler#0000 i nominate you, you're so well spoken [11-Sep-24 08:49 PM] avalock#0000 thank you woof [11-Sep-24 08:51 PM] marat_sh#0000 Good starting point would be (There is no electronics starting profession so phobos shouldn't be a starting planet) {Reactions} โœ… (2) [11-Sep-24 08:56 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™ll just bark and growl at them till they stop [11-Sep-24 09:11 PM] marat_sh#0000 Alright chat... I am gonna wash my keyboard after this... never let me cook ever again [11-Sep-24 09:11 PM] tanda#0000 make sure to use dawn dish shop [11-Sep-24 09:13 PM] avalock#0000 donโ€™t be like me who used rubbing alcohol [11-Sep-24 09:24 PM] sidepipe#0000 Youโ€™ve got a hidden talent - keep it that way ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [11-Sep-24 09:31 PM] sidepipe#0000 It is kinda fun to think of anti-meta bases though. I think thereโ€™s someone who does manufacturing or something on Halcyon {Reactions} partyhehe [11-Sep-24 09:33 PM] tanda#0000 the originale hipsters [11-Sep-24 09:33 PM] getonthetrain#0000 is there a list of starting planets somewhere? [11-Sep-24 10:21 PM] avalock#0000 i do meta bases [11-Sep-24 10:21 PM] avalock#0000 :3 [11-Sep-24 10:22 PM] avalock#0000 wruff wruff [11-Sep-24 10:22 PM] avalock#0000 woof [11-Sep-24 11:02 PM] jvaler#0000 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UUmjz8XNgLJ6y_XJa_hn7JPc9FWftqR2Lx9McZi-X-0/edit?gid=0#gid=0 {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UUmjz8XNgLJ6y_XJa_hn7JPc9FWftqR2Lx9McZi-X-0/edit?gid=0 PU Community Start Demand https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ky_MwlxAUuglO1KfPDtv2h6hVfWY153XVbJZ488jWbE/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyL-PCGT8OCYFoIey8oQfeqo77B6kLbH-MfqFZAgfR1FeE8A_cPdtdB5sFJZsgQ4qE6OpmiX02wwXtJm1LdZiTGQ_Vvi1zrLDZ4y85uKssGgaD7WIOC_%3Dw1200-h630-p [12-Sep-24 04:23 AM] jvaler#0000 yo @tanda https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/855496119713660949/1283684414022352947 [12-Sep-24 04:24 AM] jvaler#0000 might be able to cancel that BWS trip [12-Sep-24 04:24 AM] jvaler#0000 also @jcheung [12-Sep-24 04:30 AM] laaxus#0000 do you need a constant BWS supply ? [12-Sep-24 04:30 AM] jvaler#0000 it's not for me =P https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183249253439639592/1283573831331745892 [12-Sep-24 04:30 AM] jvaler#0000 but i'm pretty sure it's just for POPI purposes given they're working on colonizing/expanding(?) a planet, so no constant demand [12-Sep-24 05:34 AM] razenpok#0000 Coming Soonโ„ข {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283737502657810474/image.png?ex=68149fb7&is=68134e37&hm=202633ebb8c00c5c81a0c87c083061a4d2c432080d30b82a6d46e5639eb07fea& [12-Sep-24 05:35 AM] razenpok#0000 Slurped almost half of the MOR supply lmao [12-Sep-24 06:17 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/pog-poggers-gif-20219474 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/pog-poggers-gif-20219474 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/m-d3Vud-2USPZrfkLYboiH6vdwrH6GmfIYV_jONobQA/https/media.tenor.com/3YG2bE2vopEAAAAe/pog-poggers.png [12-Sep-24 06:22 AM] avalock#0000 woof [12-Sep-24 06:59 AM] dizzplaced#0000 I think I've seen posts about it before but what's the average cost per ship per 500t capacity roughly? Had heard about the starter ship bottleneck but had no idea how bad it was until I did the math [12-Sep-24 07:01 AM] dizzplaced#0000 This is how often I'd need to restock my main base to keep it pumping 24/7 ๐Ÿ˜ญ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1283759306981900410/Screenshot_20240912-215617.png?ex=6814b405&is=68136285&hm=6df70c188d765d0ef05ac7e6e7d9b2ba665d169b2ee5dc3f60f46ced56ae0e2a& [12-Sep-24 07:02 AM] dizzplaced#0000 3000t seems to be the only size that makes most recipes viable [12-Sep-24 07:10 AM] tanda#0000 just eliminate the unprofitable recipes [12-Sep-24 07:10 AM] tanda#0000 like Iodine, for instance [12-Sep-24 07:11 AM] tanda#0000 then you gotta look at how fast things sell. PE is the only item out of a BMP that can take unlimited volume, realy [12-Sep-24 07:11 AM] tanda#0000 OVE/EXO/PT/STR/PWO all have upper limits for consumption [12-Sep-24 07:11 AM] avalock#0000 me when you say 'just eliminate the unprofitable recipes' [12-Sep-24 07:12 AM] avalock#0000 'they're all unprofitable' [12-Sep-24 07:12 AM] avalock#0000 wruff [12-Sep-24 07:23 AM] dizzplaced#0000 Yea I've got tables for all that. I'm just wondering about ship costs. [12-Sep-24 07:24 AM] tanda#0000 they're expensive [12-Sep-24 07:25 AM] tanda#0000 the only option at this point in time is Schaitr's discount upgrades. At least until we can get PSK going [12-Sep-24 07:25 AM] tanda#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1202257500213366804 [12-Sep-24 07:30 AM] laaxus#0000 yes, shipping is a limiting factor [12-Sep-24 07:33 AM] dizzplaced#0000 Did you upgrade ships first or buy new? I feel like 500t would be fine for something lower volume like electronics [12-Sep-24 07:33 AM] laaxus#0000 shaitr upgrade 100% [12-Sep-24 07:34 AM] laaxus#0000 shaitr upgrade is around 700k, new ship around 6M [12-Sep-24 07:34 AM] laaxus#0000 you cant afford a new ship, you might be able to afford the upgrade [12-Sep-24 07:36 AM] dizzplaced#0000 Yea in that case I'll upgrade once my second base is done [12-Sep-24 07:39 AM] dizzplaced#0000 What was the rough lead time for the shaitr upgrade? From what I can see it's something you pay after you go through a queue. I'll be ready to upgrade in around ~20 days [12-Sep-24 07:40 AM] laaxus#0000 10 days {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™Œ [13-Sep-24 07:18 AM] laaxus#0000 I need quick feedback from experienced players [13-Sep-24 07:18 AM] laaxus#0000 Am i missing anything by cropping this much ? [13-Sep-24 07:19 AM] laaxus#0000 I would like to print it [13-Sep-24 07:19 AM] laaxus#0000 but the whole map is HUGE [13-Sep-24 07:22 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1284127167013453935/image.png?ex=6814b91e&is=6813679e&hm=73457bc346814081c1bf086f6a06349f14b5d1699021d99401c4c4fbdfcd8971& [13-Sep-24 07:27 AM] laaxus#0000 @cptcoleslaw seeing you're online, could you please watch it and tell me ? [13-Sep-24 07:27 AM] laaxus#0000 sorry for the ping, but I'm going to the printer in like 5m [13-Sep-24 07:30 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 That's definitely most of the more populated planets I one of. ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ I don't think you'll miss much [13-Sep-24 07:31 AM] laaxus#0000 all I wanted to know, thanks [13-Sep-24 07:46 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Just print out the whole thing, and plaster it on your ceiling. [13-Sep-24 07:46 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 There's enough room, right in the middle, for you to cut out a spot for your room fan/light. ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [13-Sep-24 07:47 AM] laaxus#0000 If I want to print the whole thing, and make things readable, it would have to be the size of the wall [13-Sep-24 08:07 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ...don't give me ideas like that [13-Sep-24 08:31 AM] marat_sh#0000 oof ๐Ÿ˜… {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1284144338325999616/image.png?ex=6814c91c&is=6813779c&hm=6c19e7a3e775fb7fdcb3bbbe252dd1d513bc05f1a029ec990cb7989ad608ae60& [13-Sep-24 08:31 AM] marat_sh#0000 I wonder who needs 2k REPs [13-Sep-24 08:31 AM] laaxus#0000 I don't understand those bulk buy [13-Sep-24 08:31 AM] laaxus#0000 Why not just put a bulk bid 1 week ago ? [13-Sep-24 08:32 AM] marat_sh#0000 I guess when you have money... You don't care about the price and just want an item [13-Sep-24 08:57 AM] sidepipe#0000 Yep, especially if youโ€™re using XIT action and donโ€™t care to have the different CXPO screens open all the time - it definitely incentivizes having a bit of stock of most common consumables [13-Sep-24 10:17 AM] jcheung#0000 Or, maybe, just got paid and can finally afford some things [13-Sep-24 10:19 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I just buy off the CX these days tbh [13-Sep-24 12:48 PM] sidepipe#0000 @scintillating_iridescence i was planning on moving there eventually as well, since it's fairly close to SE-110 [13-Sep-24 12:48 PM] sidepipe#0000 so lmk if you wanna split ADM / COGC / etc at some point ๐Ÿ˜„ [13-Sep-24 12:49 PM] sidepipe#0000 as long as you're only doing the basic FP stuff, it should be pretty cheap to maintain everything between the two of us [13-Sep-24 12:50 PM] sidepipe#0000 assuming you're interested in splitting, of course. if not, you might just have a neighbor at some point ๐Ÿ™‚ [13-Sep-24 12:50 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Gimme 2-3 weeks, and I'll drop on there ---- although I will take a second glance at the planet distribution around SE-110. There might be better options. If not, I'll agree to your idea. [13-Sep-24 12:50 PM] archielvahr#0000 Thalassa is very powerful with Ice Station Alpha making H2O and having a hyf planet and a FP planet and an INC system all in one system [13-Sep-24 12:51 PM] archielvahr#0000 http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_Id3g1oqybW.png {Embed} http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_Id3g1oqybW.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/K2tto74ILwdEMOG0ouH4KlaFrTepERmAwjYAl-nllOI/http/kortham.net/temp/firefox_Id3g1oqybW.png [13-Sep-24 12:51 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 my next HQ upgrade is like 12mil? I don't want to decouple my Avalon base for it :/ [13-Sep-24 12:51 PM] sidepipe#0000 ah, I misunderstood - i thought you already had a base on 751 [13-Sep-24 12:52 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 nah, 3 bases in SE-110, just installed earlier today... However if It'll be less of a pain to export agri surplus to Phobos, I'll take it. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [13-Sep-24 12:52 PM] sidepipe#0000 definitely don't change your plans. I've been 'planning' on doing this for like 2 months now ๐Ÿ˜„ [13-Sep-24 12:52 PM] sidepipe#0000 i know the reasonable thing is just to drop a base on 110D and burn the rest of my HYF surplus into carbon, but I really like making food [13-Sep-24 12:53 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm considering investing more thoroughly into food and consummables [13-Sep-24 12:53 PM] laaxus#0000 what would be the best place in your opinion to do that ? [13-Sep-24 12:53 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'm insitor faction --- i don't get bonuses for RE. [13-Sep-24 12:53 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 laaxus, is that your in-game username? it should be. i shall take a look. [13-Sep-24 12:54 PM] laaxus#0000 yes, it's my IGN [13-Sep-24 12:55 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 go to BEN area of influence. Etherwind, Proxion, Milliways. [13-Sep-24 12:56 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 you could also go to SE-110 (Thalassa) --- we already mentioned it, like 5j from ANT [13-Sep-24 12:57 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Could also go to FK-794 (Boucher system -- same arrangement as Thalassa; 1 RIG base, 1 HYF base, 1 FP base --- but there is a deficiency since we all need another FP base around both of those latter systems). [13-Sep-24 12:57 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Else, we're exporting excess agri surplus to somewhere else. [13-Sep-24 12:57 PM] archielvahr#0000 unless you are totally strapped for capital and opposed to taking loans, set up a HYF base. (you do need FRMs if you need HER). Demeter is good for farming in ANT space. Thalassa as shown above. [13-Sep-24 12:58 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ISA is closer. [13-Sep-24 12:58 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 These distances do make a difference, if you're running HYFs. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1284211723867263037/Screenshot_from_2024-09-13_12-58-31.png?ex=681507de&is=6813b65e&hm=e2d40cea70fd3f22e36e6c164ccaa783392d7150335eea6d48b322890070f1e5& [13-Sep-24 01:01 PM] laaxus#0000 Yeah, I have a FP base on norwick, and I have shipping issues (should have put my fp base on thalassa tbh) [13-Sep-24 01:01 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Or Phobos, or Heph. >:O [13-Sep-24 01:02 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm making a shit ton of money of out heiph and phobos, no way I'd put fp on them [13-Sep-24 01:04 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Ye, I wasn't ever going to plant down electronics on Phobos, so I just reverted it to an FP base. ๐Ÿ™‚ [13-Sep-24 01:04 PM] laaxus#0000 works [13-Sep-24 01:05 PM] jvaler#0000 what is with these phobos FP people [13-Sep-24 01:05 PM] jvaler#0000 is norwick not good enough for you? smh [13-Sep-24 01:05 PM] laaxus#0000 norwick is far [13-Sep-24 01:05 PM] laaxus#0000 too far [13-Sep-24 01:05 PM] laaxus#0000 we need a gateway [13-Sep-24 01:05 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 i need 2 per HYF base. ๐Ÿ˜› [13-Sep-24 01:05 PM] jvaler#0000 too far from what? [13-Sep-24 01:06 PM] laaxus#0000 doesn't HYF produce less than 2 base ? [13-Sep-24 01:06 PM] jvaler#0000 it's like 12-16hrs from ANT, it's not that bad at all [13-Sep-24 01:06 PM] laaxus#0000 or do you mix FIM and MEA with it ? [13-Sep-24 01:06 PM] laaxus#0000 Yeah, but I have to supply it about once every 2 day [13-Sep-24 01:07 PM] laaxus#0000 meaning I have a LCB being 50% of the time on norwick, going back and forth [13-Sep-24 01:08 PM] jvaler#0000 from harmonia? [13-Sep-24 01:08 PM] jvaler#0000 harmonia doesn't produce 0.5 LCB of agri per day [13-Sep-24 01:08 PM] jvaler#0000 or are you buying water to make DW too [13-Sep-24 01:11 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The ratios that I build for... make for 1 HYF base --> 2 FP bases.... They usually include some form of water extraction, so I'm also making DW + COF to buffer out local consumption, to cut down on the weekly upkeep requirements. [13-Sep-24 01:11 PM] laaxus#0000 I don't have a HYF base yet, I'm supplying from ant [13-Sep-24 01:20 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'm sold on the SE-751b FP planet proposition. It's not too bad. You drop the ADM, where as I drop the COGC/LM/ a handful of WARs + 2-3 of SSTs The upkeep will be extremely minimal --- we just ship in a ton of stuff, keep it in WAR, and just keep plugging. I'll start to send over the PPS stuff over the next few weeks, and will base-drop in > 45 days. ๐Ÿ™‚ [13-Sep-24 01:21 PM] laaxus#0000 @scintillating_iridescence @archielvahr why not turn se-110e into another FI planet ? [13-Sep-24 01:21 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 FP? [13-Sep-24 01:21 PM] laaxus#0000 food industries [13-Sep-24 01:22 PM] sidepipe#0000 gaseous [13-Sep-24 01:22 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 AEF > MCG --- they're both + INS [13-Sep-24 01:22 PM] laaxus#0000 yet still less cost for a fp base than se-110a [13-Sep-24 01:22 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1284217780081655908/image.png?ex=68150d82&is=6813bc02&hm=2c4b81dc2e8d68d8413e2047c91757acaa7f64cc49bca9124712f8e6b309428f& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1284217780333187202/image.png?ex=68150d82&is=6813bc02&hm=07b68171d696c1a2fa1bcf9736f8829a412887545465d94871a89e76ff7d2a27& [13-Sep-24 01:23 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I dropped on SE-110a, since I have 6k t/m3 logistics, dedicated, in-system, daily. [13-Sep-24 01:23 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 yes, 6 STLs. Stupid? Maybe. But I'd be paying out x3 as much for dedicated FTLs to service other planets, outside of system. [13-Sep-24 01:24 PM] laaxus#0000 are STL ship that much cheaper than FTL ? [13-Sep-24 01:24 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 basically 1/3 cost? [13-Sep-24 01:24 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 or less [13-Sep-24 01:24 PM] sidepipe#0000 oh yeah, they're crazy cheap in comparison [13-Sep-24 01:25 PM] sidepipe#0000 @scintillating_iridescence I'm also open to dropping FP on 110e if that makes more sense, I haven't run the numbers on if it would be cheaper to colonize 751b or 110e [13-Sep-24 01:26 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Lets run the numbers... I've pre-built dedicated shipping capacity for my agri system @ SE-110? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [13-Sep-24 01:26 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 But, on previous operational experience at FK-794 (Boucher).... it's literally not much of an issue. [13-Sep-24 01:27 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The market availability of AEFs would be of foremost concern, since I don't make them.... Do you? [13-Sep-24 01:27 PM] sidepipe#0000 nope ๐Ÿ˜„ [13-Sep-24 01:28 PM] sidepipe#0000 but there is a reasonable supply on the CX - about 5k at ANT for below 3.5k a piece [13-Sep-24 01:28 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 SE-110d is extremely viable, on a logistics view. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1284219145721745479/Screenshot_from_2024-09-13_13-28-01.png?ex=68150ec7&is=6813bd47&hm=5ec49a6413551c36d7aef421674e778d74ba7ce0943c7b03c518895d8d78c32d& [13-Sep-24 01:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 ooooh, I just remembered why SE-110e didn't make sense ๐Ÿ˜„ [13-Sep-24 01:29 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yep, bad orbits. [13-Sep-24 01:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 it's just a little bit out there {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1284219441835675760/image.png?ex=68150f0e&is=6813bd8e&hm=ff5c36ac7dbc4314ed166ab8569791c8dbaf79cfdc85ba43b266a5c5305b17ea& [13-Sep-24 01:30 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 SE-110d MCG + SEA + INS + RE COGC....... We're better suited at the other site. [13-Sep-24 01:30 PM] sidepipe#0000 so 751b it is? ๐Ÿ™‚ [13-Sep-24 01:30 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 apparently [13-Sep-24 01:31 PM] laaxus#0000 why se 751b ? [13-Sep-24 01:32 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Least cost option.... [13-Sep-24 01:32 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 MCG + INS, compared to all of the other extremes around the space [13-Sep-24 01:33 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 + no current COGC. [13-Sep-24 01:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 and reasonably close to SE-110b since I have extra space there for more HYF ๐Ÿ˜„ [13-Sep-24 01:34 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I hope you can zoom in on that XD {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1284220602059853887/Screenshot_from_2024-09-13_13-33-56.png?ex=68151023&is=6813bea3&hm=fd2af222e74ad2c01b2f85b913ec8494462fb0f8f9c366de6e58789393ebe257& [13-Sep-24 01:39 PM] sidepipe#0000 I'll see if I can put together a bill of materials for SE-751b this evening after work so we can look at the costs for the infrastructure. I'm guessing if I do just the ADM and you're getting COGC, WAR, and 2-3 SST, that's probably not quite 50/50 (i.e. puts most cost on you), but we can figure out the details when you're closer to having a free permit ๐Ÿ™‚ [14-Sep-24 07:55 AM] skyrey#0000 75 days, no loans taken: I have a base setup that makes 53 000 according to PRUN All buildings repaired ~10 days supply at both bases My total equity is around 1 150 000 AIC, but I have around 450 000 in grain and carbon stock, which I can easily liquidate at Anteras I feel like it is good progress for how casually I am taking the game {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [14-Sep-24 08:08 AM] laaxus#0000 It definitly is [14-Sep-24 08:09 AM] laaxus#0000 so right now, you have one base only ? [14-Sep-24 08:09 AM] laaxus#0000 using 500 area ? [14-Sep-24 08:10 AM] skyrey#0000 One agri base on Harmonia and a Carbon base which I am slowly building up on Nascent [14-Sep-24 08:10 AM] skyrey#0000 485 Area at Harmonia and 195 at Nascent [14-Sep-24 08:10 AM] laaxus#0000 so the adi grant speed up players by about 70 days Interesting data [14-Sep-24 08:11 AM] skyrey#0000 *I did not ask for any grants or loans* [14-Sep-24 08:11 AM] laaxus#0000 yes exactly [14-Sep-24 08:11 AM] laaxus#0000 that's why your data is valuable [14-Sep-24 08:11 AM] skyrey#0000 Okey, got it [14-Sep-24 08:14 AM] razenpok#0000 @laaxus what's your progress? [14-Sep-24 08:15 AM] laaxus#0000 3M (without the leased base) equity after 25 days {Reactions} Businesscat (2) [14-Sep-24 08:19 AM] skyrey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-impressive-very-nice-coping-patrick-bateman-gif-26518058 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-impressive-very-nice-coping-patrick-bateman-gif-26518058 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/PzRpY4Tke19sgmatglRlC2F_7PyoHoiEmjEMRnDHM7g/https/media.tenor.com/PLL_Hgq-ezsAAAAe/american-psycho-impressive.png [14-Sep-24 08:20 AM] laaxus#0000 yours is more impressive {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [14-Sep-24 08:20 AM] laaxus#0000 I was boosted [14-Sep-24 08:20 AM] laaxus#0000 congrats ! [14-Sep-24 08:20 AM] razenpok#0000 https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/NFNeWc9X54F9xs4-2Wee989hBvsMkh743mHr6d3LquA/https/media.tenor.com/8CPvdgIHcZ4AAAAe/rookie-numbers.png [14-Sep-24 08:20 AM] razenpok#0000 Then [14-Sep-24 08:20 AM] skyrey#0000 Thanks [14-Sep-24 08:20 AM] laaxus#0000 more loans will come once I have a plan and 10 days reserve in each base {Reactions} pepega [14-Sep-24 08:22 AM] skyrey#0000 In any case. I am enjoying the game so far. The first month I played at almost 0 cash and with only a few days of supplies - to build as much as possible [14-Sep-24 08:23 AM] skyrey#0000 After the first month I went for a slower but less effort intensive scaling. Gather supplies. Send ships during the week, manage growth on Saturdays [14-Sep-24 08:24 AM] razenpok#0000 Any spreadsheets so far? [14-Sep-24 08:25 AM] razenpok#0000 Btw thanks for the memes, sales were boosted by 1337% [14-Sep-24 08:25 AM] skyrey#0000 Exquisite {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‡ถ ๐Ÿ‡บ ๐Ÿ‡ฎ ๐Ÿ‡น ๐Ÿ‡ช [14-Sep-24 08:26 AM] skyrey#0000 Nope. I only make short lists on paper to plan what I need to buy to expand a base {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [14-Sep-24 08:29 AM] skyrey#0000 Today I send a ship to Nascent to build 5 incinerators and 2 pioneer habitats. Which will boost my carbon production significantly. From 7 to 12 incinerators. My grain stock at Nascent is currently 1 100. And I will be sending the ship back to Anteras with 220 carbon [14-Sep-24 10:44 AM] razenpok#0000 Crisis averted :Clueless1: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1284540291524853780/image.png?ex=6814e85f&is=681396df&hm=e20cd02224dda333f58fe70257d55f7f6a905fcb5a87b710860a4cf3d535ac55& {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (4) [14-Sep-24 10:47 AM] sidepipe#0000 new ship just dropped {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1284540969446019142/image.png?ex=6814e900&is=68139780&hm=aac48cb84bad5b72e7d42859622dc794d457d09a698fd43fc3267d89ee3264e5& [14-Sep-24 10:47 AM] sidepipe#0000 (can't add punctuation into the ship names ๐Ÿ˜ฆ ) {Reactions} truss (4) [14-Sep-24 10:49 AM] marat_sh#0000 Thank you for your service {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [14-Sep-24 01:27 PM] getonthetrain#0000 I like the name [14-Sep-24 01:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ok how do I import data into google sheets using FIO? [14-Sep-24 01:58 PM] laaxus#0000 =importdata("apilink") [14-Sep-24 01:59 PM] tanda#0000 where are you getting stuck, Hal? [14-Sep-24 02:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I just donโ€™t even know HOW to do it [14-Sep-24 02:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have never done [14-Sep-24 02:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I run off vibes not spreadsheets {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [14-Sep-24 04:28 PM] tanda#0000 now that you're playing market maker, I've expanded my production lines to make about 50 SFK a day {Reactions} ๐Ÿค [15-Sep-24 02:50 AM] jvaler#0000 omg i can turn this off {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1284783359699980349/image.png?ex=6814793f&is=681327bf&hm=28b11a38a8023d841c8e56b6823d002d3af65229871d9f649c8b856ba58b597a& [15-Sep-24 02:50 AM] tanda#0000 hallelujah! [15-Sep-24 02:51 AM] tanda#0000 that wasted 15 pixels is no longer wasted! [15-Sep-24 02:51 AM] avalock#0000 yay [15-Sep-24 02:51 AM] avalock#0000 tyty [15-Sep-24 02:51 AM] jvaler#0000 and no longer creepily showing activity info for ppl who don't know you can disable sharing it [15-Sep-24 02:52 AM] avalock#0000 neat :o [15-Sep-24 02:52 AM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/plink-jerma985-jerma-plink-jerma-gif-27542855 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/plink-jerma985-jerma-plink-jerma-gif-27542855 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/7NXERP5HVmLKncpj8D9MoTXbw0ii6AyoSrSX3v3QFjI/https/media.tenor.com/k4ISY2ua_UgAAAAe/plink-jerma985.png [15-Sep-24 02:52 AM] avalock#0000 good night chat [15-Sep-24 02:53 AM] jvaler#0000 gn [15-Sep-24 02:53 AM] laaxus#0000 gn [15-Sep-24 02:53 AM] tanda#0000 cheers! [15-Sep-24 05:01 AM] skyrey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/krill-krillion-happy-feet-gif-12723729865219012965 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/krill-krillion-happy-feet-gif-12723729865219012965 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/EzqZb7HYuMmwtr6EjbsJ1TAtGVCiURkagXGbMLZmrB0/https/media.tenor.com/sJPE5jJoeWUAAAAe/krill-krillion.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [15-Sep-24 05:20 AM] avalock#0000 it did not sleep [15-Sep-24 05:21 AM] tanda#0000 I could tell when you were still replying to me an hour later [15-Sep-24 05:27 AM] avalock#0000 trueee [15-Sep-24 04:12 PM] tanda#0000 well it's resupply:30 [15-Sep-24 04:12 PM] tanda#0000 and I still have RATs left over distribution is complete [15-Sep-24 04:13 PM] tanda#0000 super happy with Thalassa [16-Sep-24 07:05 AM] realharvey#0000 @finestone I dont sell C. I am a C buyer [16-Sep-24 07:05 AM] realharvey#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1285209991510229003/image.png?ex=6814b514&is=68136394&hm=04904e2d5b7be5dad164e975d8e0a5b4e969a1f6b0d2e8393d1d1d1fc862a904& [16-Sep-24 07:09 AM] finestone#0000 My apologies I see that now. [16-Sep-24 03:38 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1285339173779279994/image.png?ex=681484a3&is=68133323&hm=82afbe0a08b47acbe4a50810835e4d5a4857a7ec0c28b61410c2a75514c4cdb1& [16-Sep-24 03:39 PM] laaxus#0000 It's a lot of fuel [16-Sep-24 04:44 PM] razenpok#0000 2 cheap LCBs on AI1 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1285355554922827796/image.png?ex=681493e5&is=68134265&hm=1b39e27bbd8a714f56ffd25c5d87b1fcefaa3803554fd47a86122bb42f8b442b& [16-Sep-24 04:53 PM] marat_sh#0000 do you make AST yourself? [16-Sep-24 04:54 PM] marat_sh#0000 Oh it's not you My bad ๐Ÿ˜… [16-Sep-24 04:54 PM] razenpok#0000 That's just a good offer I found on CX [16-Sep-24 04:54 PM] marat_sh#0000 It is very good offer [16-Sep-24 06:12 PM] jcheung#0000 I want it... but i can't afford to spend 1.2m on LCBs [16-Sep-24 06:47 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://tenor.com/view/do-it-get-to-work-gif-21630516 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/do-it-get-to-work-gif-21630516 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Z_hknHZyb33Umr3XXszA2xWWIzweV1OBe2Y4UrinS7s/https/media.tenor.com/oj30Qsb3O24AAAAe/do-it.png [16-Sep-24 06:47 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ROIs on new ships, are about 1/2 as much as per towards new HQ permits... But it could be far less. [16-Sep-24 07:06 PM] jcheung#0000 i physically can't afford it [16-Sep-24 07:35 PM] finestone#0000 I assume for ship repairs you have to go to shipyard? [16-Sep-24 07:36 PM] tanda#0000 you can go to any base of yours [16-Sep-24 11:43 PM] finestone#0000 even better thanks Tanda [17-Sep-24 10:17 AM] manhim#0000 Which upgrades are the most worth it for starter ships? [17-Sep-24 10:18 AM] laaxus#0000 you should take the shaitr WCB upgrade from the ufo [17-Sep-24 10:18 AM] .urpalhal#0000 To WCB for the cargo bay thatโ€™s the one with 1000m3/3000t [17-Sep-24 10:18 AM] laaxus#0000 however, I would not recommend upgrading until you CANT expand anymore [17-Sep-24 10:21 AM] manhim#0000 Oh yeah, I'm just looking right now. I'm kind of an overplanner. [17-Sep-24 10:21 AM] manhim#0000 Where can I find more info on that? [17-Sep-24 10:21 AM] martinswdev#0000 Note to self, how to improve my ship: Take the ๐Ÿ’ฉ from the ๐Ÿ›ธ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [17-Sep-24 10:32 AM] laaxus#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1202257500213366804 [17-Sep-24 10:34 AM] manhim#0000 Ah, thanks ! [17-Sep-24 08:25 PM] tanda#0000 It's funny, this dude gets his shit pirated, basically tries to screw him over just cuz [17-Sep-24 08:26 PM] tanda#0000 meanwhile I just shipped 2-3mil worth of distributed goods to a variety of locations and it all arrived and on time [17-Sep-24 08:34 PM] jcheung#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1285672285650550895/1285773292484952084 [17-Sep-24 08:34 PM] jcheung#0000 I think they're just pissy [17-Sep-24 08:34 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, but you're right. Breaching the contract was the escalation [17-Sep-24 08:34 PM] tanda#0000 best method of dealing with pirates is to just extend [17-Sep-24 08:36 PM] jcheung#0000 In my DMs telling me to stop "white knighting" for a newbie [17-Sep-24 08:36 PM] tanda#0000 oh, so that one is just toxic [17-Sep-24 08:36 PM] tanda#0000 got it [17-Sep-24 08:36 PM] jcheung#0000 I don't give a shit if it's 26 day or 2600 day, if i see stupid i call out stupid [17-Sep-24 08:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 they were up in your DMs? [17-Sep-24 08:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฌ toxic af [17-Sep-24 08:42 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1285778022368018453/Screenshot_20240917_214234_Discord.jpg?ex=6814cbd9&is=68137a59&hm=f9c791776d86b967752aa7b653b974bb3d7cdd367dfc810f9c8aa3fd7fb91307& [17-Sep-24 08:42 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1285778027074027591/Screenshot_20240917_214239_Discord.jpg?ex=6814cbda&is=68137a5a&hm=ab9a5cc146e7c9cc79b8741c3070d095fcb25796e9d49b5dcf89613b6d29b903& [17-Sep-24 08:44 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, that's about what I figured the convo looked like [17-Sep-24 08:45 PM] tanda#0000 he is right that it's piracy, but he enabled it to happen because seriously [17-Sep-24 08:45 PM] tanda#0000 if you haven't written off the product, who the heck breaches a contract when there's open communication [17-Sep-24 08:45 PM] tanda#0000 now you have to do a whole other set of contracts [17-Sep-24 08:45 PM] tanda#0000 and someone's rating takes a hit [17-Sep-24 08:45 PM] avalock#0000 woof :3 [17-Sep-24 08:45 PM] jcheung#0000 When you breach a contact, you basically say "I'm going to trade your reputation for my cargo" [17-Sep-24 08:46 PM] tanda#0000 yep, and I think it really should only be done if you're ignored/blocked or the player straight up isn't playing anymore [17-Sep-24 08:47 PM] jcheung#0000 In my eyes, the shipper isn't a pirate, since they made am effort [17-Sep-24 08:47 PM] jcheung#0000 The cargo made it to NC1 [17-Sep-24 08:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah [17-Sep-24 08:47 PM] jcheung#0000 They just didn't have time to deliver [17-Sep-24 08:48 PM] jcheung#0000 Or was unable to deliver because it was awaiting extension [17-Sep-24 08:50 PM] jcheung#0000 Imagine if i breached on rise just because i had to extend twice ๐Ÿ˜‚ [17-Sep-24 08:50 PM] jcheung#0000 I would be in a pit *so* deep [17-Sep-24 08:51 PM] tanda#0000 lol, you ain't never getting those ship parts [17-Sep-24 08:51 PM] tanda#0000 but also when you're at Rise's point. That's gonna drop him to a B at most [17-Sep-24 08:53 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m at a B rn (agony) [17-Sep-24 08:53 PM] tanda#0000 how'd you get to a B? you do like 90% contracts [17-Sep-24 08:53 PM] avalock#0000 i did a local sale and the guy was offline the whole time [17-Sep-24 08:54 PM] avalock#0000 i tried fulfilling [17-Sep-24 08:54 PM] avalock#0000 and it only partially fulfilled [17-Sep-24 08:54 PM] tanda#0000 oof [17-Sep-24 08:54 PM] avalock#0000 oh wait [17-Sep-24 08:54 PM] avalock#0000 fulfill attempt* [17-Sep-24 08:54 PM] jcheung#0000 Really? Fulfilment attempted doesn't absolve you? [17-Sep-24 08:54 PM] tanda#0000 and that doesn't count? [17-Sep-24 08:54 PM] avalock#0000 hmmmm maybe i missed one of the 4 [17-Sep-24 08:54 PM] avalock#0000 iforgor [17-Sep-24 08:54 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‚ [17-Sep-24 08:55 PM] avalock#0000 last week i was dealing with more pressing matters than Prosperous universe lmao [17-Sep-24 08:55 PM] jcheung#0000 Quick spam more contracts so you can up your rating [17-Sep-24 08:55 PM] avalock#0000 truee [17-Sep-24 08:55 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I gotta buy AR off you again soon, so we'll creep that rating back up [17-Sep-24 08:55 PM] avalock#0000 :3 yay [17-Sep-24 08:56 PM] avalock#0000 wruff [17-Sep-24 08:56 PM] avalock#0000 awooooo [17-Sep-24 08:58 PM] avalock#0000 but yeah i was literally actually going insane last week so it didnt matter to me [17-Sep-24 08:58 PM] tanda#0000 fair [17-Sep-24 09:00 PM] avalock#0000 yeee itโ€™ll probably happen again but we vibin for now :3 [17-Sep-24 09:01 PM] jcheung#0000 fell better now? [17-Sep-24 09:02 PM] avalock#0000 yeeeee focusing is a bit hard still but i can go to work [17-Sep-24 09:04 PM] avalock#0000 i can talk about it in dms or #associate-offtopic [17-Sep-24 09:06 PM] jcheung#0000 up to you, if you feel like sharing [17-Sep-24 10:25 PM] jcheung#0000 ....i've lost it {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1285803778733375579/image.png?ex=6814e3d5&is=68139255&hm=8ac47b7d0d207118ea9dafb2faf4a93ed2a8c5454eace0d3604b4a286f609c53& [17-Sep-24 10:25 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bhwi0.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/cocoa-puffs-sonny-the-cuckoo-bird-cuckoo-for-cocoa-puffs-commercial-crazy-gif-16529748 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/-zQSkgEFmJLTmnZIPbgwIjg3-wx51yrZ7jLA24K_S7I/https/media.tenor.com/t5hJx_PjjQ4AAAAe/cocoa-puffs-sonny-the-cuckoo-bird.png [17-Sep-24 10:30 PM] tanda#0000 oh jeez no wonder I'm flush with cash all the sudden [17-Sep-24 10:30 PM] tanda#0000 all my MHL sold [17-Sep-24 10:39 PM] tanda#0000 what the heck happened to ALO.AI1 [17-Sep-24 10:44 PM] laaxus#0000 Someone bought 7k alo [17-Sep-24 10:44 PM] tanda#0000 alright then! [17-Sep-24 11:41 PM] jcheung#0000 womp womp [18-Sep-24 12:00 AM] jvaler#0000 discord stop showing me ads {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1285827647187976233/image.png?ex=6814fa10&is=6813a890&hm=19f60ce2a40406b70563a292eb3d663f2b797684ab0294772133c1ef1cb524e5& [18-Sep-24 12:00 AM] jvaler#0000 this is like the 3rd this month [18-Sep-24 12:00 AM] jcheung#0000 i think i turned that shit off [18-Sep-24 12:00 AM] jvaler#0000 how plz [18-Sep-24 12:00 AM] jvaler#0000 oh shit they added a search feature to settings {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1285827856508911636/image.png?ex=6814fa42&is=6813a8c2&hm=f5e9b417947f11e45a970089855bfef10faf16e14556ed69a4abb0bf445587a5& [18-Sep-24 12:00 AM] jvaler#0000 nice [18-Sep-24 03:22 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm raising the bid Price of si, in the Hope it increases production {Reactions} kekw pepega [18-Sep-24 03:22 AM] laaxus#0000 Ideally, I would increase it to 1600 but I'm too poor atm ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [18-Sep-24 03:43 AM] laaxus#0000 @razenpok if I put another order, will you Fill it ? [18-Sep-24 03:44 AM] laaxus#0000 Because I would rather not {Reactions} kekw [18-Sep-24 03:44 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/kekw-twitch-twitchtv-twitch-emote-kek-gif-19085736 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/kekw-twitch-twitchtv-twitch-emote-kek-gif-19085736 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ycvuTkspzcdOCx995vZ8S9nLDjiMs7KmgOwtk54UZqQ/https/media.tenor.com/FpbWqUpKsacAAAAe/kekw-twitch.png [18-Sep-24 03:44 AM] razenpok#0000 Ye, I was just messing around [18-Sep-24 03:44 AM] razenpok#0000 I can put a bid order also [18-Sep-24 03:44 AM] razenpok#0000 (it's your money anyway lol) [18-Sep-24 04:05 AM] razenpok#0000 tbh I think it's pointless to put a bid like yours, since hortus bros will just arbitrage into it {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1285889320401764423/image.png?ex=68148ac0&is=68133940&hm=942a2aa61987e0c91438bd957bbe9dfd23d692d255d8bf5d77b4ecb61ca7dd41& [18-Sep-24 04:14 AM] laaxus#0000 I Hope they do [18-Sep-24 04:14 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm eating ton of si [18-Sep-24 08:42 AM] skyrey#0000 I am not sure who Interstellar Gaia is - but I see that just one person sells and buys all the Grain and Carbon. *Time to establish competition*. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1285959132603748433/Screenshot_2024-09-18_at_14.40.30.png?ex=6814cbc5&is=68137a45&hm=514fc50d6dd4aad1f80114a757dfed4163345de0bcdcb3bf15a1b8789d635653& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [18-Sep-24 08:43 AM] razenpok#0000 He is in this server also :actualchadthink: [18-Sep-24 08:43 AM] laaxus#0000 he is a margin trader [18-Sep-24 08:44 AM] laaxus#0000 he does not produce [18-Sep-24 08:44 AM] laaxus#0000 he just buy low and sell high [18-Sep-24 08:44 AM] onoya#0000 Nos conocemos no? XD [18-Sep-24 08:55 AM] skyrey#0000 Seguro que si [18-Sep-24 08:57 AM] onoya#0000 A pleasure to meet you again deer friend in this another universe! [18-Sep-24 08:57 AM] onoya#0000 https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-18924284 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-18924284 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/WOJWWHMqREHB9yoWvlcqy5I_DyRkwmAhMtVEbpgCX8g/https/media.tenor.com/-qXuda8L3TYAAAAe/yes.png [18-Sep-24 08:57 AM] skyrey#0000 I get that. I just produce the two things and am feeling mischievous enough to try a similar method to sacrifice short term liquidity for greater profit per unit [18-Sep-24 08:58 AM] laaxus#0000 it only works if you have tons of liquidity I would recommend just selling at first [18-Sep-24 08:58 AM] skyrey#0000 Makes sense. Although it may be irrational, I want to have fun and see how much I will be able to do [18-Sep-24 08:59 AM] laaxus#0000 oh, ofc, have fun [18-Sep-24 09:04 AM] skyrey#0000 I will definitely get a better price on Carbon if I am willing to wait a few days for it to sell. That is a first [18-Sep-24 11:26 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Do you like my new purchase? Imma be triple burning for a while {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1286000521185857580/Screenshot_2024-09-18_092609.png?ex=6814f250&is=6813a0d0&hm=b43d4387859819fc22875442c6ae0b93eb70557aa22a2289098728f8666bf861& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ (2) [18-Sep-24 11:37 AM] tanda#0000 Big dollas [18-Sep-24 11:38 AM] onoya#0000 how much did you paid for that? ๐Ÿ˜‚ [18-Sep-24 11:41 AM] .urpalhal#0000 uhh a lot [18-Sep-24 11:42 AM] .urpalhal#0000 4 mil? 5 mil? [18-Sep-24 11:42 AM] onoya#0000 outch XD ( but i guess it's worth it ) [18-Sep-24 11:42 AM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah Id say so ๐Ÿ˜„ [18-Sep-24 12:04 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/i6ZfyIZDWKl.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/burn-elmo-pyro-burn-it-down-ashes-gif-7510700295202730251 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/qkfytSXp4i2VB812SbBVBCO-whX1fUW4m8V-pL78arc/https/media.tenor.com/aDteIAX68QsAAAAe/burn-elmo.png [18-Sep-24 12:21 PM] realharvey#0000 do you burn that at nascent? [18-Sep-24 12:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 nope D: [18-Sep-24 12:21 PM] realharvey#0000 where do you burn it? [18-Sep-24 12:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 se-110d [18-Sep-24 12:24 PM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/eww-god-no-nasty-gross-disgusting-gif-17172294 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/eww-god-no-nasty-gross-disgusting-gif-17172294 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/bojsePGmWTK3vSM0XUS52jKCHL0RxFQ96Y54V01tpcI/https/media.tenor.com/7eAKYJvOe4UAAAAe/eww-god-no.png [18-Sep-24 12:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Nascent is just ALO [18-Sep-24 07:08 PM] tanda#0000 what the heck [18-Sep-24 07:08 PM] tanda#0000 I'm out of stock entirely on MHL? [18-Sep-24 07:11 PM] tanda#0000 What a bad time to pick to step up a HYF base [18-Sep-24 07:18 PM] jcheung#0000 well... [18-Sep-24 07:18 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, but that was just my ASK offers, not the reserve [18-Sep-24 07:18 PM] tanda#0000 now even the reserve is gone [18-Sep-24 07:57 PM] tanda#0000 welp, BSE is pegged back to the MM again already [19-Sep-24 07:40 AM] laaxus#0000 someone just bought half the supply of CUO of AI [19-Sep-24 07:49 AM] razenpok#0000 As of this moment, there's officially zero arbitrage opportunities for ANT -> HRT {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1286308062872731709/image.png?ex=6814bf3c&is=68136dbc&hm=1adf09f3ed0389153a2d13e81dea317e6952cd09370442e103f3e8274e5f463b& [19-Sep-24 07:49 AM] razenpok#0000 ANT is getting really expensive [19-Sep-24 07:50 AM] laaxus#0000 same for ANT -> BEN [19-Sep-24 07:50 AM] razenpok#0000 There's still a bit available for ANT -> BEN {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1286308454083854379/image.png?ex=6814bf99&is=68136e19&hm=98488890b73ac25ebf1f867c86c2615ec7addebdf02c79b7aba7c76fb0c26ba1& [19-Sep-24 08:17 AM] laaxus#0000 Why is ant so expensive [19-Sep-24 08:17 AM] laaxus#0000 Can it be because players are stocking for the gateways ? [19-Sep-24 08:41 AM] razenpok#0000 I think it's been going for several months now [19-Sep-24 08:42 AM] razenpok#0000 I'm looking at my arbitrage table every day and it just gets worse each day [19-Sep-24 09:53 AM] skyrey#0000 I love how my arbitrage attempt raised the bid price for Carbon from 700 to 705 [19-Sep-24 09:56 AM] evov#0000 One of the things I like most about this game is making my own sheets/tools. There's parts about that arb sheet I like. [19-Sep-24 10:01 AM] jcheung#0000 oh dear [19-Sep-24 10:01 AM] jcheung#0000 there's zero rde on market [19-Sep-24 10:02 AM] jcheung#0000 well. AI.1 that is [19-Sep-24 10:04 AM] evov#0000 I just had 179 rde get bought out in NC1 earlier today. Is there a shortage all around? [19-Sep-24 10:04 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1286342243078242435/image.png?ex=6814df11&is=68138d91&hm=6ef65572033ef66b1866d7362b6b39d7eaf2c7bdf6dd919167bb68ec5d98fd7d& [19-Sep-24 10:05 AM] evov#0000 I'll put some back up in ant now if anyone needs [19-Sep-24 11:34 AM] razenpok#0000 Was it LazyM? [19-Sep-24 11:34 AM] evov#0000 Yes [19-Sep-24 11:34 AM] razenpok#0000 Same here on ANT [19-Sep-24 11:34 AM] razenpok#0000 I think he just bought out all supply in the universe [19-Sep-24 11:35 AM] evov#0000 Its fine I put 100 more up for ant anyway. I'll start making more. [19-Sep-24 11:35 AM] razenpok#0000 I'll put out 60 RDE on ANT in a day or two [19-Sep-24 11:35 AM] razenpok#0000 I would prefer if I could actually sell some ๐Ÿ˜… [19-Sep-24 03:19 PM] laaxus#0000 The more time pass, The more I want to be like avacyn [19-Sep-24 03:20 PM] laaxus#0000 Extracting rocks seems like a simple life [19-Sep-24 03:20 PM] laaxus#0000 no market stress [19-Sep-24 03:20 PM] laaxus#0000 just a good profitable work [19-Sep-24 03:21 PM] igfloz#0000 burn mats can also be less stress. I only drop to CX periodically, I'm looking to internal offers for my regular customers.............. but its slower money [19-Sep-24 03:24 PM] igfloz#0000 ...but I'm not really chasing the profit dragon. I've been playing for close to 200 days and I float at about 1 Million liquid. I'm not pushing to get to 10, 50, 100 Million at all [19-Sep-24 03:25 PM] realharvey#0000 have you been playing without loans/grants? [19-Sep-24 03:25 PM] laaxus#0000 nope, full of debt (good debt tho) [19-Sep-24 03:26 PM] igfloz#0000 I took the ADI grant to get me spun up (Harmonia) - but no further loans [19-Sep-24 03:29 PM] realharvey#0000 loans make a big difference in terms of growth [19-Sep-24 03:29 PM] igfloz#0000 To be clear, the ADI grant allowed me to fully fund Harmonia and also start burn items @ Hephaestus (slowly) - I now have bases on Nascent, Vulcan, Nike etc.... so I'm not hoarding the $$, I have spent a fair amount. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ [19-Sep-24 03:30 PM] realharvey#0000 just in "raw" bases {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1286424166307860540/image.png?ex=6814829d&is=6813311d&hm=8b67153c5dfb1d89b3515a541160e77a89454e7bb9bc8933978ab5d654ed6e6a& [19-Sep-24 03:32 PM] igfloz#0000 I mistakenly thought I'd be able to get into Deimos, lol - I took Vulcan instead [19-Sep-24 03:32 PM] jvaler#0000 best example imo lmao {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1286424688746041344/image.png?ex=6814831a&is=6813319a&hm=08fc073d5637aa724e768936228974856dfd3d43d0ccb75b7a5f5ced7dd9649a& [19-Sep-24 03:33 PM] igfloz#0000 jeez, I can't imagine managing the shipping for all of that stuff, lol [19-Sep-24 03:33 PM] jcheung#0000 that man has like over 150m in either loans or deposits [19-Sep-24 03:33 PM] jcheung#0000 i think [19-Sep-24 03:33 PM] jvaler#0000 something like that yeah [19-Sep-24 03:34 PM] laaxus#0000 He bought 3 ships in his first month [19-Sep-24 03:35 PM] evov#0000 I don't know any specifics about the loans... but I know how many $$ worth of ships I've sold to him (that I assume were mostly onsold for a higher price... but no idea since... people can do whatever they want with the ships after they buy them) [19-Sep-24 03:35 PM] jcheung#0000 tbh i want 2 new ships [19-Sep-24 03:35 PM] jcheung#0000 but i don't need them [19-Sep-24 03:36 PM] jcheung#0000 just want [19-Sep-24 03:36 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Sep-24 03:36 PM] laaxus#0000 At first I was very happy with loans [19-Sep-24 03:36 PM] jcheung#0000 i want a VCB for the sake of having a VCB, and i want a LCB for WCB kit project support [19-Sep-24 03:37 PM] laaxus#0000 Now I feel like cheating [19-Sep-24 03:37 PM] jcheung#0000 loans are addictive [19-Sep-24 03:37 PM] jcheung#0000 "just one more loan" [19-Sep-24 03:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 careful there son [19-Sep-24 03:37 PM] realharvey#0000 loans are not cheating. You are just taking "sitting" capital and create value out of it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [19-Sep-24 03:37 PM] laaxus#0000 I feel like I could take a Loan of 100M, make 20 base, pay the loan and then game ended [19-Sep-24 03:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 part of me wants to buy another LCB ship..... [19-Sep-24 03:38 PM] laaxus#0000 Ofcourse, they're mutually beneficial [19-Sep-24 03:39 PM] evov#0000 It's a sandbox game. Set your own rules/limits etc. Play it how you want to play it. I've done it without any loans, because I want to be able to measure my choices... decisions. If you can just borrow (or be gifted) lots and lots of $... it sort of trivializes the importance of the choices you make that will save 10 AIC here, 1k AIC there etc. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Sep-24 03:39 PM] kynadre#0000 have to start there as first base to get in... [19-Sep-24 03:39 PM] igfloz#0000 To that point, for me, I want to see what (if) I can build.... I'm not trying to solo, I have joined a couple of "projects" where I feed into and hopefully use the profits to build what I can build, that just my take on how I play [19-Sep-24 03:41 PM] igfloz#0000 You probably can as a "new" or coliq player. I wasn't willing to waste the ADI grant and coliq ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Sep-24 04:10 PM] avalock#0000 woof [19-Sep-24 04:42 PM] kynadre#0000 Yeah no kidding [19-Sep-24 04:42 PM] kynadre#0000 that's why I chose it as my first base after this COLIQ though pre-grant [19-Sep-24 08:34 PM] kynadre#0000 So I'm assuming there's not actually much need for F and the market listing in Antares is kinda just bogus? [19-Sep-24 08:35 PM] tanda#0000 there's very little demand for it yeah. That doesn't mean it's bogus, as F goes into BL goes into VG [19-Sep-24 08:35 PM] tanda#0000 but both BL and VG are niche {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Sep-24 08:36 PM] tanda#0000 checking the 30 market history it looks like it's sold around 180 units between 2k and 3k, so someone thinks that was a good deal {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Sep-24 08:46 PM] getonthetrain#0000 Tanda, what is the estimate for you to be back to start the Yak base? [19-Sep-24 08:48 PM] tanda#0000 ship lands in 6 hours with the first batch, I'm going to be asleep, but will set up, fund the SST, and fulfill the BRM contracts about 3 hours later {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Sep-24 08:48 PM] tanda#0000 that ship then has to go back to Halcyon for the second load, which will be your building materials and the COGC/ADM [19-Sep-24 08:49 PM] getonthetrain#0000 sounds good [19-Sep-24 11:53 PM] jcheung#0000 couldn't squeeze out another 3? *sigh* {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1286550802722459701/image.png?ex=6814f88e&is=6813a70e&hm=0207df9e584c3a00cd46247143ac2cf087215042ccfb4eba9b4814fe30c32545& [19-Sep-24 11:53 PM] jcheung#0000 also.... wow. water extraction on deimos [19-Sep-24 11:53 PM] jcheung#0000 brave [20-Sep-24 07:40 AM] avalock#0000 based [20-Sep-24 07:41 AM] avalock#0000 actually [20-Sep-24 07:41 AM] avalock#0000 woof [20-Sep-24 12:08 PM] jvaler#0000 what the hell discord {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1286735735046537338/image.png?ex=6814fc09&is=6813aa89&hm=e57fcc730afe229ee926475faff1d64426933cb90da8538ddc32dbb1c20f90c2& [20-Sep-24 12:08 PM] jvaler#0000 they removed secondary bullet points {Reactions} pandaOuch [20-Sep-24 12:09 PM] jcheung#0000 what? no way [20-Sep-24 12:09 PM] jcheung#0000 - test - - test test [20-Sep-24 12:09 PM] jvaler#0000 wait wut [20-Sep-24 12:09 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿค” [20-Sep-24 12:09 PM] jcheung#0000 ```- test - - test test``` [20-Sep-24 12:09 PM] jvaler#0000 * one * two [20-Sep-24 12:10 PM] jvaler#0000 oh it needs 2 spaces now [20-Sep-24 12:10 PM] jvaler#0000 so weird [20-Sep-24 12:10 PM] laaxus#0000 - one - - two [20-Sep-24 12:10 PM] jvaler#0000 ```* one * two``` [20-Sep-24 12:10 PM] jcheung#0000 huh. i didn't know it took asterisks too [20-Sep-24 12:10 PM] jvaler#0000 and i didn't know it took dashes lmao [20-Sep-24 12:10 PM] jcheung#0000 - a - b [20-Sep-24 12:10 PM] laaxus#0000 - one - - two - - - three [20-Sep-24 12:11 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/6K1x.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/trades-deals-trade-gif-13964717 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/0apKHqRC8ZhgY5CQMVQUdy9r5TmnHgrezi_ZqupRX4Q/https/media.tenor.com/IVq7krrhmjAAAAAe/trades-deals.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [20-Sep-24 12:16 PM] kynadre#0000 yay learning [20-Sep-24 12:17 PM] jvaler#0000 nay chores [20-Sep-24 12:17 PM] jvaler#0000 i gotta go through and fix it now lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (3) ๐Ÿซ‚ [20-Sep-24 05:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 WTF does this mean.... Harmonia in game chat {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1286815583861735506/Screenshot_2024-09-20_152512.png?ex=68149da7&is=68134c27&hm=57be1f77cae33ab3ca996ef870315a50d031fb3c7e1113eabe64b8859630ee16& [20-Sep-24 06:12 PM] jcheung#0000 i was just about to ask the same thing [20-Sep-24 06:12 PM] sidepipe#0000 does he mean the harmonia tax hikes? [20-Sep-24 06:19 PM] jcheung#0000 hmm. OFF could use some love [20-Sep-24 06:19 PM] jcheung#0000 people are buying from my stash at 100/u [20-Sep-24 06:57 PM] marat_sh#0000 well OFF is listed at 75/u BID [20-Sep-24 07:01 PM] tanda#0000 that's cool? [20-Sep-24 07:19 PM] marat_sh#0000 no [20-Sep-24 07:19 PM] marat_sh#0000 it's at minus production [20-Sep-24 07:19 PM] marat_sh#0000 cost to make is 80/u [20-Sep-24 07:20 PM] marat_sh#0000 people who make their EPO can make OFFs [20-Sep-24 07:20 PM] marat_sh#0000 at this price of EPO making OFFs doesn't make sense [20-Sep-24 07:24 PM] jcheung#0000 at 100/u it's pretty good profit [20-Sep-24 07:27 PM] marat_sh#0000 yeah [20-Sep-24 07:27 PM] marat_sh#0000 85-100/u is the range [20-Sep-24 07:33 PM] jcheung#0000 i just don't want to see it back up at 140 ๐Ÿ˜… [20-Sep-24 07:36 PM] marat_sh#0000 I might start keeping some in stock [20-Sep-24 07:37 PM] tanda#0000 I do plan on doing EPO before long (or at least sponsoring someone to do EPO for me) [20-Sep-24 07:37 PM] tanda#0000 but I had planned on using that for RFabs [20-Sep-24 07:54 PM] marat_sh#0000 I mean the EPO is fine. It's just OFF at 85/u is barely worth making, 90/u is very good, 95/u+ I can just make OFFs [20-Sep-24 11:16 PM] getonthetrain#0000 Does this look accurate for my debt to you? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1286903784923988059/image.png?ex=6814efcb&is=68139e4b&hm=f98816505b77858941bd8d872bbb8d2333cb7cba54f7cae318d3dff73874cdaa& [20-Sep-24 11:16 PM] tanda#0000 Worry about funding that with consumables [20-Sep-24 11:17 PM] tanda#0000 just pass along any good turns to someone else? [20-Sep-24 11:17 PM] getonthetrain#0000 I'll pay my debt and fair share of consumables [21-Sep-24 12:36 AM] jcheung#0000 okay. i have to ask [21-Sep-24 12:36 AM] jcheung#0000 why notepad and not... a sheet of some sort [21-Sep-24 12:37 AM] jcheung#0000 sheets can also.... do math for you too [21-Sep-24 12:58 AM] kynadre#0000 @tanda you rock for picking up that planet, was where I was hoping someone would dev so I can expand extraction there โค๏ธ โค๏ธ [21-Sep-24 12:58 AM] kynadre#0000 eventual goals ofc [21-Sep-24 01:04 AM] getonthetrain#0000 ya'll crazy with your spreadsheets and stuff [21-Sep-24 01:05 AM] jcheung#0000 you're the crazy one for using *notepad* instead [21-Sep-24 01:05 AM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [21-Sep-24 01:05 AM] getonthetrain#0000 why? it's a one time thing [21-Sep-24 01:05 AM] getonthetrain#0000 gotta use your brain to keep it exercised instead of having everything automatically done for ya {Reactions} this [21-Sep-24 02:28 AM] jcheung#0000 Accuracy [21-Sep-24 02:30 AM] jcheung#0000 Don't have to double check that 191*1200 is the right amount, since you might have fat fingered something the first time [21-Sep-24 02:30 AM] jcheung#0000 Same for sums [21-Sep-24 02:30 AM] jcheung#0000 Also you still use brain [21-Sep-24 02:30 AM] jcheung#0000 To set up sheet [21-Sep-24 03:45 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Morning all. [21-Sep-24 03:45 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Can i ask where the margins come from in this game? [21-Sep-24 03:46 AM] cruelcoin#0000 As in, (excluding giga companies like amazon etc), in a healthy market with healthy competition, markets tend towards 7-10% profit. Companies compete away eachothers margins to that point (ideally). [21-Sep-24 03:47 AM] cruelcoin#0000 But the margins on my Ration production for example are way in excess of that. [21-Sep-24 03:53 AM] evov#0000 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you're talking about valuation, not profit, when you're referring to the 7-10% profit for companies? I think mostly, in both rl and in prun, the question comes down to.... How much return can I get on my money +consider risk +consider cognitive load/time availability. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [21-Sep-24 03:55 AM] cruelcoin#0000 I think it is net profit for that %. It's only logical too that companies will spring up to seize margin, to the point of loss of attractiveness. [21-Sep-24 03:56 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Could it be the sign of an aging/maturing player base that's moving towards higher end production? [21-Sep-24 03:56 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Thus reducing production on the entry level? [21-Sep-24 03:59 AM] evov#0000 Well, there are limitations in the game. We can't have 100 bases. Bases are limited in size. There are limited developed planets where you can build bases. So we're forced to choose between this thing, or that thing. [21-Sep-24 04:02 AM] evov#0000 I would say.... there's 2 primary measures of profitability in the game.... 2 ways people measure how juicy a base/building/production line etc is. 1. RoI - How quickly does a thing pay for itself. 2. $/Area - How much $ per day can you squeeze out of a permit. [21-Sep-24 04:04 AM] evov#0000 When newish - (less than 20 permits say) - RoI tends to be the most important thing. You just want to be growing and expanding and building more bases more faster. After 20ish permits - the permit cost starts being more expensive than the cost of building the base. At this point, it's generally a bit more important to maximize the $ you can squeeze out of each permit each day, rather than trying to multiply money faster. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [21-Sep-24 04:10 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Makes sense, thank you. [21-Sep-24 04:10 AM] skyrey#0000 The answer is a lot simpler: 1 - under population of the world. There are numerous potential industries and niches in the market - but only a few thousand players in total. 2 - High paced production and the ability to change the entire production line in a day at a minuscule comparable cost allows active players to be very efficient. With this advantage over reality players can be significantly more efficient {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [21-Sep-24 04:11 AM] skyrey#0000 Thus high profit margins [21-Sep-24 04:11 AM] cruelcoin#0000 I'm trying to set up PRUN in such a way that it doesn't mark water as a profit item where i produce it, nor as a cost in the base i ship it to to be consumed. [21-Sep-24 04:11 AM] skyrey#0000 It is a profit item as if you later on use it yourself. That profit from one base is taken on as a cost of production in the other [21-Sep-24 04:12 AM] cruelcoin#0000 But to keep it level in terms of same value in/out, i should set my cx preferences for water to be average for my local market? [21-Sep-24 04:13 AM] skyrey#0000 I for example grow Grain and use it to make Carbon. But my water and grain production outpaces my Carbon intake. Thus I sell the excess as additional profit [21-Sep-24 04:15 AM] skyrey#0000 Well. If water was a sell of 100 and a bid of 90. By supplying the water directly to yourself rather than selling it to the CX at 90. You do not have to pay the 100 per unit of water for your second base. Thus this vertical production system saves you 10 spread per unit of water used [21-Sep-24 04:17 AM] skyrey#0000 If you set it up average, it will not account for you supplying yourself at more favourable prices. Bypassing players who engage in commodity arbitrage [21-Sep-24 04:17 AM] cruelcoin#0000 I see. So 110c set water sell price to cx bid, and 110b set water buy price to cx bid. [21-Sep-24 04:17 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Makes sense, thank you. [21-Sep-24 04:21 AM] skyrey#0000 If we look at Anteras CX: If you sell water, you get 36 per unit. If you buy water, you pay 44.80 per unit. If you were to sell your water from one base and buy the water for another, then what you are asking about makes sense. But because you produce the water yourself, you are able to sell it to yourself at 36 per unit. Saving you 8.80 per unit [21-Sep-24 04:38 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Ok. Bear with me please. My thinking then is: - Empire buy price is the local cx buy price (assuming i'm buying everything i don't produce myself). - Empire sell price is the local cx sell price (assumes i sell everything i'm not shipping to another planet) - To cover where water is being sent to another base of mine, i set that planets water sell price to cx sell. - that receiving planets water buy price is set to cx sell for the cheaper rate? As in screenshot? Have i understood you correctly? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1286984880684531752/ScreenHunter_11.jpg?ex=68149292&is=68134112&hm=a94cdfadbd74e7900d8e48a3ab8e29efc54d674e7dee63bbc89026908a5bce19& [21-Sep-24 04:39 AM] jvaler#0000 bids(green) in this game get traded on much less than asks(red), so their prices are commonly out of date to real market trends. ask/ask is much more reliable, or better yet use the 7d average setting for both {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [21-Sep-24 11:17 AM] martinswdev#0000 Whts the best way to work out routes for fuel efficiency [21-Sep-24 11:18 AM] jcheung#0000 that's hard to say [21-Sep-24 11:18 AM] kynadre#0000 or ship builds for that matter; I saw the discussion on high-G seats and what makes them not even work in some cases, wondering how I'd even figure out if the pilot's 10-g endurance limit is the limitation to begin with, and my noggin was fascinated [21-Sep-24 11:18 AM] jcheung#0000 got some examples? [21-Sep-24 11:20 AM] jcheung#0000 ship speeds are constrained by a couple different things, i don't know all of them, but here are a few... ship mass, engine thrust, squishy tolerance (g-factor) the starter ship, engine thrust is high enough that even at max ship mass, you wouldn't survive at max thrust... so it throttles down {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [21-Sep-24 11:20 AM] jcheung#0000 if you install a high-g seat, then the limitation switches over to ship mass because you can burn harder {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [21-Sep-24 11:25 AM] kynadre#0000 And then at some point, the ship can't accelerate to 10g due to ship mass anyway, like when it's fully loaded and a larger cargo bay had been installed, so the actual blocker becomes engines if those high-g seats are to have any effect xD [21-Sep-24 11:25 AM] kynadre#0000 that was a fun discussion to read like, a day or two ago [21-Sep-24 11:47 AM] martinswdev#0000 Just like im going ANT to Deimos and Nike so like is it worth chaining these in a certain order {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [21-Sep-24 12:14 PM] jcheung#0000 It can be, i do something similar sometimes. It mostly depends on what cargo needs to be moved. In your example, it would be very easy to say.... for example, pack consumables for both deimos and nike, then pack feedstock (ore, flx, o, etc) for deimos. Once there, pick up whatever AL/FE or other materials you made and head to nike with nike consumables and the refined metals. You likely will still need to make some dedicated runs for that, but it makes more sense than backtracking the refined metal to ANT since deimos is between ANT and nike [21-Sep-24 12:16 PM] martinswdev#0000 Yeah so is there a tool that will show me that deimos is between the two, other than working that out on the map ?> [21-Sep-24 12:27 PM] tanda#0000 I've not seen any tools quite like that, but an easier map to use would be Taiyi's [21-Sep-24 12:28 PM] tanda#0000 https://universemap.duckdns.org/ {Embed} https://universemap.duckdns.org/ Taiyi's Prosperous Universe Map Taiyi's Prosperous Universe Map - An interactive map for the Prosperous Universe game [21-Sep-24 12:28 PM] tanda#0000 It's flattened, so it shows connections better {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [21-Sep-24 12:39 PM] kynadre#0000 in-game system map what you're looking for? MS command {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287105889328697445/image.png?ex=68150345&is=6813b1c5&hm=d4cc0e1c3fc704399d72ccee62f03067d567828fb6259abe291de2880d214095& [21-Sep-24 12:39 PM] kynadre#0000 @martinswdev [21-Sep-24 12:40 PM] kynadre#0000 also consider that a, b, c, d, e is the progression from middle of the system outward, though ofc. there's orbits to account for [21-Sep-24 12:40 PM] kynadre#0000 so whatever's near the middle of the system takes your (with starter ship, rough estimated) usual 100ish STL fuel to fly into from outside, but once you're already in the middle, it's really easy to hop between planets next to each other [21-Sep-24 12:41 PM] kynadre#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287106410437415063/image.png?ex=681503c1&is=6813b241&hm=0fc34bdba14bc34f34b088276851e05b6f62a2709513efafc438699976cf971f& [21-Sep-24 12:42 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287106761370767431/image.png?ex=68150415&is=6813b295&hm=7e455796eaa6793a6e304536096d35bbe13bc1c0879aa2c8cf90a36d23642916& [21-Sep-24 12:42 PM] tanda#0000 my favorite tiny system [21-Sep-24 12:42 PM] kynadre#0000 Oh you meant the separate systems I gotcha [21-Sep-24 12:42 PM] tanda#0000 look how tiny it is [21-Sep-24 12:43 PM] kynadre#0000 nice [21-Sep-24 12:43 PM] kynadre#0000 every day I learn like 20 new things to account for jeez [21-Sep-24 12:43 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, it's a lot. Best part is you don't have to get all of these things right away {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [21-Sep-24 12:44 PM] tanda#0000 but sometimes they just "click" and you find new opportunities {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [21-Sep-24 12:44 PM] kynadre#0000 Like me remembering the local markets are a thing, finding shipping ads, and realizing I can pick up somebody's stuff on my own way to market cuz there's no way I'll have a full load [21-Sep-24 12:45 PM] kynadre#0000 see what I can work out that keeps my ships busy and useful instead of just idling [21-Sep-24 12:45 PM] kynadre#0000 and realizing how many buy ads EVOV has put up frikken everywhere lmao [21-Sep-24 12:46 PM] kynadre#0000 busy man helping keep newbros' lives easier [21-Sep-24 12:46 PM] .snorka#0000 Is it worth it to pick up COF and PWO when just getting started? [21-Sep-24 12:46 PM] kynadre#0000 test it in https://prunplanner.org/ with your base plan! {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/ PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [21-Sep-24 12:47 PM] kynadre#0000 You'll be able to see both the cost increase and the profit increase [21-Sep-24 12:47 PM] tanda#0000 in almost all cases, Luxuries will be worthwhile {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [21-Sep-24 12:47 PM] kynadre#0000 (it worked out worth it for me for mine) [21-Sep-24 12:47 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 What are you wanting to do? [21-Sep-24 12:48 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 So Snorka just joined the APEX server, like a few hours ago... I'd say wait 1-2 weeks, before you use Luxury consumables (PWO/COF+). [21-Sep-24 12:50 PM] kynadre#0000 tbh the profit bump it gave me after my first shipment made it justifiable for me like on the 3rd day of production... had and made just enough from starter that I could build a 2nd production building and grab the luxuries [21-Sep-24 12:50 PM] kynadre#0000 was a significant bump up having the LUX vs. not [21-Sep-24 12:51 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'll stay casual, and just recommend people know what they're doing, before they start dumping operational capital on anything. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [21-Sep-24 12:51 PM] kynadre#0000 COF is a bit pricey per day after all but the padded overalls (PWO) aren't bad at all [21-Sep-24 12:52 PM] tanda#0000 PWO are cheap and very slow to consume, I recommend them. COF is expensive [21-Sep-24 12:52 PM] kynadre#0000 definitely never worth going to market just to pick up 1-2 things on their own, fuel costs too expensive... pick them up when you make a substantial trip [21-Sep-24 12:52 PM] martinswdev#0000 interesting, do we have any math for the fuel usage for weigth / distance etc from devs ? [21-Sep-24 12:52 PM] kynadre#0000 Man there's so much math and I know there's a link that's been floating I forgot to bookmark [21-Sep-24 12:53 PM] .snorka#0000 Tysm [21-Sep-24 12:53 PM] kynadre#0000 I generally figure if I have to fly into the Antares 1 from another system it's going to cost me like 3,000 round-trip for the STL fuel costs [21-Sep-24 12:54 PM] kynadre#0000 so I want that trip to count when I make it, be making a decent sized sale, purchase, to have me set for a week+ [21-Sep-24 12:54 PM] kynadre#0000 squeeze in a base upgrade / addition -if I can- in addition to that [21-Sep-24 12:54 PM] kynadre#0000 priority on making sure I can keep things running to minimize market trips [21-Sep-24 12:55 PM] kynadre#0000 that's been my take anyway, the couple of days I've been here and poking at things [21-Sep-24 01:07 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 generally, 150 SF / 150 FF, for longer distance flights. If you're just dropping something off in orbit, then it's like 75 SF. None of this makes any mention to the orbital states, when you take off. Sometimes you'll get lucky.. Other times you get shafted. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [21-Sep-24 01:08 PM] martinswdev#0000 what does / doesnt require landing ? [21-Sep-24 01:08 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Orbit... same system. [21-Sep-24 01:08 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 so from one planet, to another, in the same system, or to the CX, being in the same system. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [21-Sep-24 01:09 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The general rule of thumb.... Set fuel use settings to min... Click the usage sliders a few times, and pray. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [21-Sep-24 01:11 PM] tanda#0000 then there's my method "Mess around with the sliders until it matches up with my availability times" {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ 2x23pngemoji [21-Sep-24 01:13 PM] kynadre#0000 that'd be interesting to observe orbital states over the course of a day and see how that impacts fuel usage leaving a system... [21-Sep-24 01:14 PM] kynadre#0000 I'm assuming the game doesn't let you park at the edge of a system for a while to wait for a planet to get closer, or in the end it'd cost you more fuel since you'd have to stop and then get going from a stop again [21-Sep-24 01:18 PM] tanda#0000 I believe if you pull up a MS for the system in question while plotting a flight plan you can see what it's projecting {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [21-Sep-24 01:18 PM] tanda#0000 but that's really only intra-system [21-Sep-24 01:19 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Well the intra-system stuff is still a good research question. [21-Sep-24 01:20 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I've been wanting to get someone to screen record some MS (system map) stuff, for like a whole day at least, just to get some intervals, to be plugged into some orbital equations... But no dice. [21-Sep-24 01:21 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Molp + friends just need to drop me the orbital functions/tables, since reverse-engineering optimal STL slight times, between in-system planets, is just a complete PITA. [21-Sep-24 01:21 PM] tanda#0000 question on that: is the MS map static once loaded? [21-Sep-24 01:21 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 no, it's continuous. [21-Sep-24 01:21 PM] tanda#0000 ooh, that's not too too hard then [21-Sep-24 01:21 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Very slow changes, real time. [21-Sep-24 01:21 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 .... [21-Sep-24 01:21 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'd hope. [21-Sep-24 01:21 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 XD [21-Sep-24 01:22 PM] tanda#0000 could just set up a second screen and use a tool to screenshot that area every 30 minutes for 24 hours [21-Sep-24 01:23 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Just need some evidence of the data gathering method. [21-Sep-24 01:25 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Plop em into a gif, and maybe we can figure out their eccentricities and periods, which will then lead to rather whimsical, and barely applicable metrics. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ [21-Sep-24 01:27 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I mean, MAYBE, STL travel in ANT, would be more viable than in BEN, based on the orbits themselves... But people don't play this game for that; they need stuff transported, whenever they deem it so --- thus its best to bet on the best metrics (FSE stl engines), and simply hope for the best. [21-Sep-24 04:26 PM] evov#0000 I recognise that shipping can be a constraint for people. But generally, I refuse to accept shipping contracts because there's no way to know if they're auto supplied or not. As in... they may not have the stuff ready to go when my ship is actually there with empty space. Buying the stuff on planet and picking it up myself is just easier. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [21-Sep-24 04:37 PM] .shiva.#0000 shipping really should just be auto-provision always [21-Sep-24 04:39 PM] jcheung#0000 And also draw first from war, then base [21-Sep-24 04:41 PM] evov#0000 Not everywhere has warehouses. I feel like shipping contracts should function like an escrow thing, like the way CX sales work. [21-Sep-24 05:07 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 From what I've seen, shipping contracts have defaulted to FSE fuel use rates + depreciation value... They're not paying for the premium of service, rather they're defaulting to the least common denominator of some sort of contractually assured servicing... I'm not buying into that at all. Evov has his fair points as well. You've basically got a propaganda machine going on.. "Ohh hey.. it's extra income, I might as well just take it"... Well half of the galaxy is assuming people will do such that, and they're basing their rates off of such... This has been going on for years, so it's less of a gripe, and more of an observation. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [21-Sep-24 05:09 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I do my best, to ensure that my business partners know full well of such things, along with providing incentives for them to not be dependant on such frivolous, disposable income. However, a single person can only do so much to combat such trends. Efficient markets theorem? Maybe. [21-Sep-24 05:11 PM] kynadre#0000 if the intent is that a player picks something up on the way to do something of their own at the same time, and they both fit, they make sense. If it's the only thing someone does with their ships, it appears many are breakeven at best and that's bad form [21-Sep-24 05:24 PM] jvaler#0000 ghost ping? [21-Sep-24 05:26 PM] jvaler#0000 hmmmm [21-Sep-24 05:31 PM] kynadre#0000 weird idk [21-Sep-24 05:40 PM] jvaler#0000 they seem to have evaded my all-seeing eyes to catch them... impressive [21-Sep-24 05:40 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ‘๏ธ [21-Sep-24 05:41 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 oldie, goldie memes are better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOGaugKpzs ๐Ÿ˜› {Embed} ThePoliceVEVO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOGaugKpzs The Police - Every Breath You Take (Official Music Video) The Official Music Video for Every Breath You Take. Taken from The Police - Synchronicity. Order 40th anniversary editions of Synchronicity now, available as super deluxe 6CD and 4LP boxsets, coloured 2LP, deluxe 2CD and 1LP picture disc. Featuring the band's first truly comprehensive collection of unreleased material. https://ThePolice.lnk.t... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/_noHKeiuDC3phZvnmL8vipLaF1jzDRIBMSRkbB-tgys/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/OMOGaugKpzs/maxresdefault.jpg [21-Sep-24 05:42 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ^ ANT theme song [21-Sep-24 05:44 PM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-what-you-deleted-gus-breaking-bad-gif-25966954 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-what-you-deleted-gus-breaking-bad-gif-25966954 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/9Kw6LeQFxMU2rlwzDlyMuuULNLYM3KgizmTBzXccmjU/https/media.tenor.com/mUbCuUMFbzQAAAAe/i-saw-what-you-deleted-gus.png [21-Sep-24 06:49 PM] jcheung#0000 this feels like a trap {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287199153109078109/image.png?ex=6814b161&is=68135fe1&hm=1c97a36459dc907c212a1ada2a35cd4a486ba50be5c50a38eb9b76a844a7b6ad& [21-Sep-24 06:49 PM] jcheung#0000 i'll bite [21-Sep-24 06:51 PM] tanda#0000 that feels like the listing fee was higher than the sale price [21-Sep-24 06:54 PM] jcheung#0000 hey, they came through [21-Sep-24 06:54 PM] jcheung#0000 instantly [21-Sep-24 07:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 Stbadreturns is a reputable player afaik - I'm just wondering why you'd sell 1 rat for any amount of money [21-Sep-24 07:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 if they had a B reputation, I'd say they're trying to get their rating back up [21-Sep-24 07:04 PM] tanda#0000 I would say it's just a mistake? [21-Sep-24 07:05 PM] archielvahr#0000 Emptying out a warehouse so you can ditch it [21-Sep-24 07:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 but then why charge for it? ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” ๐Ÿ’ฏ [21-Sep-24 08:11 PM] avalock#0000 I might be building a vacuum former :thinking2: [21-Sep-24 08:12 PM] avalock#0000 I was looking into building protogen helmets... and then I saw in a guide "here's how you can build a vacuum former for PETG" [21-Sep-24 08:12 PM] avalock#0000 and now I'm asking my DIY gf who built her own printer if she wants to [21-Sep-24 08:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh [21-Sep-24 08:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 For like making custom shap lenses? [21-Sep-24 08:13 PM] avalock#0000 yeeee! [21-Sep-24 08:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s not too hard [21-Sep-24 08:13 PM] avalock#0000 yeeee, Just need a vacuum, build a box, a heating element and shtuff [21-Sep-24 08:14 PM] avalock#0000 it looks really cool [21-Sep-24 08:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://youtu.be/cjfoUQzFuPM?si=nC2ZxPvn7QBCgqJT {Embed} Galactic Armory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjfoUQzFuPM Helldivers 2 Helmet Tutorial - Built for Dispensing Freedom How about a nice cup of Liber-Tea?!?!?! In this video we'll show you guys how to make your own Helldivers helmet 3D Prints: https://galacticarmory.net/collections/new-releases-diy/products/helldivers-2-helmet-b-01-tactical-diy 3D Files (cheaper by joining the Patreon while it's available): https://galacticarmory.net/collections/latest-3d-files... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/zOHoeLMAJ7jlJG1SdHSLptn5lsv1pDnuOJ-VF7j6ArA/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/cjfoUQzFuPM/maxresdefault.jpg [21-Sep-24 08:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I thought about doing it for one of these [21-Sep-24 08:14 PM] avalock#0000 Oooo [21-Sep-24 08:14 PM] avalock#0000 yeah that would be neat :3 [21-Sep-24 08:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But meh [21-Sep-24 08:15 PM] avalock#0000 I have a few things I could use it for [21-Sep-24 08:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ll do it for satisfactory helmet instead [21-Sep-24 08:15 PM] avalock#0000 I uhhhh really really like gas masks so would be cool to make my own lenses lol [21-Sep-24 08:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Use uh not clear PETG for it [21-Sep-24 08:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But rather PC [21-Sep-24 08:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It is more gooder and shatter proof [21-Sep-24 08:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 PC is poly carbonate [21-Sep-24 08:16 PM] avalock#0000 interesting, hmmmm yeeee [21-Sep-24 08:16 PM] avalock#0000 I wonder why the protogen guides say PETG :thinking2: [21-Sep-24 08:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Idk ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [21-Sep-24 08:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Price? [21-Sep-24 08:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 One might be easier to Dye [21-Sep-24 08:17 PM] avalock#0000 ohhhhh probably melting point [21-Sep-24 08:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh that too [21-Sep-24 08:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 PC is a little higher [21-Sep-24 08:17 PM] avalock#0000 yeeee [21-Sep-24 08:17 PM] avalock#0000 its 220C vs 300C [21-Sep-24 08:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Space heater [21-Sep-24 08:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Bam [21-Sep-24 08:18 PM] avalock#0000 tho we're not melting it but yeeee [21-Sep-24 08:18 PM] avalock#0000 Lmao, it's probably gonna be a like ceramic heating element in the top [21-Sep-24 08:18 PM] avalock#0000 theres a p good guide on it [21-Sep-24 08:18 PM] avalock#0000 https://youtu.be/U0o26zbuiqs?si=J5YINDzRRIhBB1Zp {Embed} The 3D Handyman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0o26zbuiqs DIY Vacuum Forming - Everything you need to know Years ago I built vacuum formers as a summer job. Today I try to improve on my old designs with Former #51! Once we build the machine we will test it and then tune it for the best possible performance. If you have any questions about building your own vacuum former, I will attempt to answer all of them in this video. If there is anything that wa... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/h-QaHWBBOBdcQNCVe4TmKBPAv5kZzl4Sj-sQZdEDhbA/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/U0o26zbuiqs/maxresdefault.jpg [21-Sep-24 08:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Wow thatโ€™s fancy [21-Sep-24 08:18 PM] avalock#0000 yeee [21-Sep-24 08:18 PM] avalock#0000 wruff [21-Sep-24 08:19 PM] avalock#0000 I wonder tho [21-Sep-24 08:19 PM] avalock#0000 this is using like.... [21-Sep-24 08:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287221830557368370/IMG_2464.png?ex=6814c67f&is=681374ff&hm=2f2f8701e34f5758452992809fc4c5166e29a8d23e5763174e7fe2768744f013& [21-Sep-24 08:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Bam shop vac and space heater [21-Sep-24 08:20 PM] avalock#0000 yeah, its using pegboard... but I wonder like.... is there something better maybe :thinking2: [21-Sep-24 08:20 PM] avalock#0000 I guess you want even vacuuming nvm [21-Sep-24 08:20 PM] avalock#0000 I was thinking uneven vacuum holes [21-Sep-24 08:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh [21-Sep-24 08:21 PM] avalock#0000 lmao, sorry my thought processing is being spoken outloud [21-Sep-24 08:21 PM] avalock#0000 the stupid ideas are gonna come out now [21-Sep-24 08:21 PM] avalock#0000 I gotta hide them before someone comes in and tells me what to actually do so I don't mess up, but then I get spiteful and do the wrong thing anyways cause I'm a silly dog [21-Sep-24 08:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Peg board [21-Sep-24 08:22 PM] avalock#0000 yeah! pegboard prolly fine [21-Sep-24 08:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And some 2x4s [21-Sep-24 08:22 PM] avalock#0000 yeeeee [21-Sep-24 08:23 PM] avalock#0000 I could prolly get some stuff printed out too [21-Sep-24 08:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And then some aluminum channel pieces or something to hold plastic and make seal with pegboard [21-Sep-24 08:23 PM] avalock#0000 and like I feel my gf would maybe end up using this too :3 [21-Sep-24 08:23 PM] avalock#0000 yeeeee [21-Sep-24 08:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Print out mold negative and some cool things to shlap on the side to personalize [21-Sep-24 08:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Profit [21-Sep-24 08:24 PM] avalock#0000 yeeeeee [21-Sep-24 08:24 PM] avalock#0000 the apartment gonna be nutty, 3 printers, vacuum forming table, my homelab shenanigans [21-Sep-24 08:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Wow your apartment sounds like mine [21-Sep-24 08:25 PM] avalock#0000 LMAO damn [21-Sep-24 08:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You got a massive storage tub filled with filament? [21-Sep-24 08:25 PM] avalock#0000 I don't, I'm not living with her yet ๐Ÿ˜” [21-Sep-24 08:26 PM] avalock#0000 And uhhh she just kinda leaves her filament out [21-Sep-24 08:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ohh ๐Ÿ˜ฒ [21-Sep-24 08:26 PM] avalock#0000 she lives in the desert lol [21-Sep-24 08:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ah well I live in desert too [21-Sep-24 08:26 PM] avalock#0000 oh [21-Sep-24 08:26 PM] avalock#0000 huh [21-Sep-24 08:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But uh wifey doesnโ€™t like visible mess [21-Sep-24 08:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So I hide it away [21-Sep-24 08:26 PM] avalock#0000 Ohhhhhhh [21-Sep-24 08:26 PM] avalock#0000 Valid :3 [21-Sep-24 08:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I really need to set up my printers in my new place [21-Sep-24 08:27 PM] jcheung#0000 I wish i had space for this shit [21-Sep-24 08:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I donโ€™t [21-Sep-24 08:28 PM] avalock#0000 yeah, I'm trying to get into IT/a networking career so then I can get a house with my partners, but I'd love to have a workshop with my one gf [21-Sep-24 08:28 PM] avalock#0000 but thats gonna be for a while [21-Sep-24 08:30 PM] avalock#0000 She brought up how she wants a cnc router recently uwu [21-Sep-24 08:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I almost bought a desktop one of those [21-Sep-24 08:30 PM] avalock#0000 ooo [21-Sep-24 08:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I didnโ€™t want AL chips everywhere [21-Sep-24 08:31 PM] avalock#0000 yeaaaah, I think a workspace would be good for that :P [21-Sep-24 08:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah someday ๐Ÿฅด [21-Sep-24 08:33 PM] jcheung#0000 i'll have one singular filament printer at home here in a week or so [21-Sep-24 08:33 PM] avalock#0000 Ooo [21-Sep-24 08:33 PM] avalock#0000 whatcha getting? [21-Sep-24 08:33 PM] jcheung#0000 i have an ender 3 max neo at work that i'm finally taking home [21-Sep-24 08:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh nice [21-Sep-24 08:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Got bed level probe? [21-Sep-24 08:34 PM] avalock#0000 Oh uh also because I want to share her work, this is my girlfriend https://youtu.be/7lJmkTSoWLc?si=aXsWdjzj2Xt4ZuBL {Embed} Monika McWuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lJmkTSoWLc world's first sub 2 minute benchy [00:01:59] HD hey guys sorry for dropping the camera but tomorrow I will be releasing an even faster benchy using a Bowden extruder. print settings: 1200mm/s 175k accel on x and 300k accel on y limited Cartesian .5mm line width .25mm layer height 2 walls and 3 tops and bottom. speed boat challenge legal. i hope u enjoyed (sorry if you saw this in your feed tw... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/3gEALavVWP-etETKTqlozVpqLb75YFYTo8M-dQvn0ec/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/7lJmkTSoWLc/maxresdefault.jpg [21-Sep-24 08:35 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah. having some issues though [21-Sep-24 08:36 PM] jcheung#0000 like there's a freakin hump in the plate or something {Reactions} SAD (2) [21-Sep-24 08:36 PM] avalock#0000 oof [21-Sep-24 08:38 PM] avalock#0000 sorry aaa, but yeag, I think these would be cool projects [21-Sep-24 08:39 PM] jcheung#0000 when i get it home again and level the plate again i'll try to remember to send you probe data [21-Sep-24 08:40 PM] jcheung#0000 maybe you lot can help me figure it out because the jerks at the official crealty discord just tell me to tram the bed no matter what [21-Sep-24 08:40 PM] avalock#0000 I could ask my partner aa, tbh I know nothing about 3D printing :P [21-Sep-24 08:41 PM] jcheung#0000 meanwhile i doubt it is the issue when i'm having issues 3 inches up the print where it's under extruding in one part and then over extruding in another part [21-Sep-24 08:41 PM] avalock#0000 hmmmm interesting [21-Sep-24 08:42 PM] avalock#0000 reddit says it could be the ender 3 filament mount :P [21-Sep-24 08:42 PM] avalock#0000 but idk [21-Sep-24 08:44 PM] avalock#0000 She's also been wanting to build a vacuum forming table [21-Sep-24 08:44 PM] avalock#0000 uwu [21-Sep-24 08:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Bed leveling is the pits. You might need to use AL tape to fix the lows [21-Sep-24 08:47 PM] jcheung#0000 should i use AL or kapton? [21-Sep-24 08:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 probs AL bc heat transfer [21-Sep-24 08:52 PM] avalock#0000 mmm tuning my youtube recommendations (iโ€™m getting recommended pick nโ€™ place machines now) {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [21-Sep-24 08:58 PM] avalock#0000 I've also been looking into building a NAS with an ITX board (I have a 2u case with an ITX layout, and want to use it) But its been difficult to find what I need lmao [21-Sep-24 09:03 PM] jcheung#0000 decided to look at super thermally conductive tapes [21-Sep-24 09:03 PM] jcheung#0000 and one roll of one inch wide, 36 yard long for $150 was not what i was expecting [21-Sep-24 09:04 PM] avalock#0000 oop [21-Sep-24 09:09 PM] sidepipe#0000 if you end up building a NAS, let me know what software you end up using (if software is the right term). i've been kicking around the idea of a small NAS for file transfers and stuff but never really got around to it [21-Sep-24 09:11 PM] avalock#0000 Will do!! I'm documenting everything on obsidian rn, I might publish it on github or something after I build it [21-Sep-24 09:11 PM] avalock#0000 ~~with less barking/howling than normal~~ [21-Sep-24 09:11 PM] jcheung#0000 i want a NAS [21-Sep-24 09:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I use CasaOS [21-Sep-24 09:16 PM] sidepipe#0000 that's the linux distro with the built in docker stuff, right? [21-Sep-24 09:17 PM] avalock#0000 Oh yeah HAL would be better to ask, I'm just doing silly projects lmao [21-Sep-24 09:19 PM] sidepipe#0000 silly projects is about the land I live in ๐Ÿ˜„ [21-Sep-24 09:19 PM] avalock#0000 fair :3 [21-Sep-24 09:19 PM] sidepipe#0000 I have a small server with proxmox on it, and that's how I run most of my homelab stuff [21-Sep-24 09:19 PM] sidepipe#0000 so I think casaOS would replace that more than handle NAS stuff [21-Sep-24 09:19 PM] avalock#0000 :o [21-Sep-24 09:20 PM] avalock#0000 aaa, I really should look into these programs [21-Sep-24 09:20 PM] avalock#0000 or well [21-Sep-24 09:20 PM] avalock#0000 uhhh [21-Sep-24 09:20 PM] avalock#0000 things [21-Sep-24 09:20 PM] avalock#0000 :P [21-Sep-24 09:20 PM] avalock#0000 proxmox, docker, etc. [21-Sep-24 09:20 PM] sidepipe#0000 i'm just gonna add that I did not set up proxmox - my brother did it for me ๐Ÿ˜„ [21-Sep-24 09:20 PM] avalock#0000 valid yeeee :3 [21-Sep-24 09:21 PM] avalock#0000 I have a project where uhhhh [21-Sep-24 09:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah [21-Sep-24 09:22 PM] avalock#0000 I wanna get one of these, so I can put a bunch of pi's in them, and then it would allow my partner to have more scalability with her printers, and they wouldn't need to go down cause of klipper's sillyness {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287237531414564895/DLZcEYd.png?ex=6814d51f&is=6813839f&hm=0a74d00d8e8c3e32567477f27357c0f7d41078e664bebe6ba48212c04bef509a& [21-Sep-24 09:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 there is a janky way to set up raid for CasaOS as well but I think Raid support is coming to CasaOS [21-Sep-24 09:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 klipper is still better than marlin or other [21-Sep-24 09:23 PM] sidepipe#0000 so would this be running a NAS in CasaOS on a seperate machine? if I were to set up a NAS with it, that is [21-Sep-24 09:24 PM] avalock#0000 yeah definetly, its just she brought up an issue and I was like "What if Pi clusters" [21-Sep-24 09:26 PM] avalock#0000 also idk, I feel like offloading it from her PC would be cool :3 [21-Sep-24 09:27 PM] avalock#0000 not that the interface takes up a lot of uhhhh [21-Sep-24 09:27 PM] avalock#0000 stuff but [21-Sep-24 09:28 PM] avalock#0000 ye [21-Sep-24 09:37 PM] sidepipe#0000 Pi clusters in general are cool ๐Ÿ˜„ [21-Sep-24 09:37 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™d love to play around with them myself but I donโ€™t have any problems that I could solve with a pi cluster [21-Sep-24 09:40 PM] avalock#0000 yeee, I didn't till now :P [21-Sep-24 09:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You could set up CasaOS on your current machine [21-Sep-24 10:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 in a VM? or would it replace proxmox? [21-Sep-24 10:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 that probably also tells you my level of knowledge on this ๐Ÿ˜„ [21-Sep-24 10:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i think you could run it in proxmox [21-Sep-24 10:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but you could replace proxmox with it [21-Sep-24 10:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 CasaOS is basically just a dressed up Portainer running on debian [22-Sep-24 02:24 AM] pxlfox.#0000 โœ… construction materials and supplies are bought. Great call to look for #internal-offers, @tanda. PrunPlanner said I would roughly need 1 mil for construction and supply, but it did cost me just around 600.000 AIC, so 400.000 left to use for something else... just have to think about a good next step. My ships will probably need 24h so send all to Deimos. Production should be up and running on Mo or Tue and then we are starting to flood the market with more AL! [22-Sep-24 06:17 AM] pxlfox.#0000 At what percentage should I repair my ships/buildings? [22-Sep-24 06:17 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I saw people mentioning around 80% [22-Sep-24 06:18 AM] evov#0000 That's my understanding.. that you only start to notice it slowing down after 80%. But... I'm going off what other people say as well, so don't have any firm numbers or proof for you. [22-Sep-24 06:31 AM] laaxus#0000 @razenpok I just observed something [22-Sep-24 06:31 AM] laaxus#0000 It's a fact that ANT is more expensive than BEN, in almost everything [22-Sep-24 06:31 AM] laaxus#0000 yet the fx change does not seem to move {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287375836474904627/image.png?ex=6814ad2d&is=68135bad&hm=6dad9035635f11f7e2a347c02febd44ff2a38f7d0df76760b8ded2ea6748c804& [22-Sep-24 06:33 AM] laaxus#0000 the expected behavior would have been for the price to go down [22-Sep-24 06:33 AM] laaxus#0000 yet it does not [22-Sep-24 06:33 AM] laaxus#0000 does it mean that people does not import from ben ? [22-Sep-24 06:33 AM] evov#0000 I do [22-Sep-24 06:34 AM] laaxus#0000 yes some people do, but it seems like the imports are not enough to affect the fx price [22-Sep-24 06:34 AM] evov#0000 I don't use the FX market though. [22-Sep-24 06:39 AM] evov#0000 The FX traded volume there, 750k... over what time frame is that? The last 3 days? [22-Sep-24 06:40 AM] laaxus#0000 yes [22-Sep-24 06:46 AM] evov#0000 That's a very small % of the trade between the 2 cx's. I think the only thing the FX market is representative of, is the net sum of people who like using the FX market. [22-Sep-24 06:55 AM] evov#0000 Since I've been tracking my CX activity - From this friday going back 41 days... My CX Sales at Benten - 21mil My CX Buys at Benten - 29mil People will often use MM products (IDC/EDC/CBL etc) to transfer cash between CX's. That far exceeds whatever volume the fx market does imo [22-Sep-24 07:01 AM] evov#0000 ANT and MOR are typically more expensive for most of the consumables and things like that. Compared to HRT and BEN, ANT and MOR are generally just more highly developed. We make more high end stuff here. But the price difference in consumes / fuel etc isn't massive. e.g. -> Consumes price index for each of the areas. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287383298586185728/image.png?ex=6814b420&is=681362a0&hm=391037e0d35e9f8a52f6242379866e79fd93dd84f82e45873feceabd452602f2& [22-Sep-24 11:17 AM] tanda#0000 does anyone have that website that lets you explore the production trees for PRUN? [22-Sep-24 11:17 AM] tanda#0000 I'm looking for the standalone one, PRUN planner freezes if you try to exclude endpoints [22-Sep-24 11:19 AM] archielvahr#0000 Universal Logistics is down, but this one works: https://prosper.run/production-chains/OFF/1 {Embed} https://prosper.run/production-chains/OFF/1 Prosper: Production Chain Viewer Production chain viewer for Prosperous Universe [22-Sep-24 11:20 AM] tanda#0000 Thank you! [22-Sep-24 11:23 AM] tanda#0000 I'm going down the drone hole {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ [22-Sep-24 11:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Drones are used for higher-end building maintenance, right? [22-Sep-24 11:36 AM] tanda#0000 they can be used for some really bad upkeep for higher end POPI. I'm looking at SRD ship repair drones though [22-Sep-24 11:44 AM] jcheung#0000 There's a fee for fx. Most people trade direct 1:1 [22-Sep-24 11:45 AM] laaxus#0000 fee is negligible honestly [22-Sep-24 11:46 AM] laaxus#0000 out of a 1M trade, you lose 1k [22-Sep-24 11:46 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yep, for SDP, EMC, and HOS upkeeps. You're never really going to see their use, anytime soon, since Building such POPI is prohibitively expensive, as compared to the cheaper alternatives, and you have price floors for the drones as well, due to MM policies. [22-Sep-24 11:46 AM] laaxus#0000 it's like 10 minutes of profits for me [22-Sep-24 12:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 I turn over about 1-2M on the FX per week [22-Sep-24 12:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 Itโ€™s just smaller trades and people who canโ€™t be bothered to find someone to trade 1:1 [22-Sep-24 12:04 PM] laaxus#0000 I wished I could directly buy from another cx in AIC [22-Sep-24 12:04 PM] laaxus#0000 without having to manually convert on the fx [22-Sep-24 12:08 PM] avalock#0000 felt [22-Sep-24 12:08 PM] avalock#0000 just put like a small exchange fee or something [22-Sep-24 12:09 PM] sidepipe#0000 But youโ€™d put my FX out of business ๐Ÿ˜ญ [22-Sep-24 12:09 PM] sidepipe#0000 But yeah. I feel like the FX overall doesnโ€™t add much to the game [22-Sep-24 12:09 PM] laaxus#0000 wdym, it would increase FX traders profit [22-Sep-24 12:10 PM] sidepipe#0000 Oh, I thought you just meant directly through the game, not placing orders on the FX automagically [22-Sep-24 12:11 PM] laaxus#0000 yeah, what I said was, let me see the price in AIC, and let the system automatically put a fx order and convert [22-Sep-24 12:11 PM] laaxus#0000 like irl [22-Sep-24 12:15 PM] sidepipe#0000 But you can trade currencies with me 1:1, and thatโ€™s basically the next best thing ๐Ÿ™‚ [22-Sep-24 12:17 PM] laaxus#0000 yeah, but I'm an introvert, I hate bothering people [22-Sep-24 12:18 PM] tanda#0000 just send him the contracts and ping him {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [22-Sep-24 12:18 PM] tanda#0000 I do it all the time [22-Sep-24 12:18 PM] tanda#0000 man, Drones are a pain in the ass for less money than IDC [22-Sep-24 12:19 PM] laaxus#0000 yeah, I checked it too [22-Sep-24 12:19 PM] sidepipe#0000 Heck, if youโ€™re not in a hurry you donโ€™t even need to ping me [22-Sep-24 12:19 PM] tanda#0000 I kinda like the thought of actually having to make stuff, though, ngl [22-Sep-24 12:19 PM] laaxus#0000 wdym fx contracts [22-Sep-24 12:19 PM] laaxus#0000 they exists ? [22-Sep-24 12:19 PM] tanda#0000 you charge him 700k CIS for a rat, you pay him 700k AIC for a rat [22-Sep-24 12:20 PM] laaxus#0000 so 2 contract [22-Sep-24 12:20 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah unfortunately [22-Sep-24 12:20 PM] tanda#0000 as long as it's with a trusted partner, nobody gets screwed [22-Sep-24 12:24 PM] kynadre#0000 I love how so many of the discussions on materials and workflows are still so above my head simply because I haven't looked at them ingame myself to follow along. As soon as I do, it makes sense. I'm SO glad they let us see production charts ingame like they do [22-Sep-24 12:24 PM] kynadre#0000 ooooh production chain viewer linked above, thankies! [22-Sep-24 12:25 PM] kynadre#0000 with a little more caffeine the discussion on trade hubs and worker supply essentials makes more sense [22-Sep-24 12:26 PM] farnite#0000 actually caffeine (COF) is a luxury not basic consumable [22-Sep-24 12:26 PM] farnite#0000 see what I did there [22-Sep-24 12:26 PM] kynadre#0000 a necessary luxury, workers will insist [22-Sep-24 12:27 PM] kynadre#0000 forcing them to drink overpriced dirtwater at a chain versus having a curated selection right in the office is heresy! [22-Sep-24 12:28 PM] sidepipe#0000 y'know, I was never sure how I felt about the mental image of huge vats of coffee being sold at the cx [22-Sep-24 12:28 PM] sidepipe#0000 that can't be good quality coffee [22-Sep-24 12:30 PM] laaxus#0000 *look at starbucks* [22-Sep-24 12:31 PM] sidepipe#0000 yeah, it's not COF, it's STGL brand nitro cold-brew [22-Sep-24 12:35 PM] tanda#0000 in all honestly it's probably folgers brand dehydrated coffee [22-Sep-24 12:36 PM] tanda#0000 eh, I take that back, tonnage/mass is the same as DW [22-Sep-24 12:36 PM] tanda#0000 so it's literally liquid coffee [22-Sep-24 12:37 PM] kynadre#0000 jeez lmao [22-Sep-24 12:38 PM] kynadre#0000 well otherwise you've gotta import the water [22-Sep-24 12:38 PM] kynadre#0000 also this needs some love https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/prosperous-universe-stories/5711/2 {Embed} https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/prosperous-universe-stories/5711/2 Prosperous Universe Stories Does anyone remember the story about a person who bought up all the carbon from Hortus on the first day of the universe for like 1000 each to haul to Moria? I think the price crashed before they even arrived to Moria so they were looking to take a massive loss and they COLIQโ€™d with all the initial carbon that Hortus made ๐Ÿ˜ƒ GREAT STORY WOULD LO... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/x0Lcv9Tc0WstLZAut1pc9Cply1Z-ZpDJ_X3qJLQ4S_k/https/com.prosperousuniverse.com/uploads/default/original/1X/9637dadda95e302d05ebee320ec8473189637a64.jpg [22-Sep-24 12:38 PM] kynadre#0000 poor devs put this up and only one person replies; I'm sure there's fabulous community stories floating out there [22-Sep-24 12:39 PM] tanda#0000 I gotta be more careful about what ship gets sent where {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287468430777127065/image.png?ex=68150369&is=6813b1e9&hm=bdc8095b71db13cead3ae893cc2fb158c41162d98a351a801384f00c55c5bd6e& [22-Sep-24 12:40 PM] tanda#0000 that or actually upgrade the fuel tanks on it [22-Sep-24 12:42 PM] kynadre#0000 oops [22-Sep-24 12:42 PM] kynadre#0000 at least it's going to market to grab more fuel [22-Sep-24 12:49 PM] kynadre#0000 I had a thought and then I lost it [22-Sep-24 12:50 PM] kynadre#0000 OH YEAH I was happy the beginner quests do in fact help quite a bit, bit by bit, just encouraging players to do the next steps and learn the game {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287471023364767856/image.png?ex=681505d4&is=6813b454&hm=3a9cfdda65c8bd75d12780034dc4054e945a61be37c77a39df90574e5e28d148& [22-Sep-24 12:50 PM] kynadre#0000 like, oh good, okay, make a thing, put the thing in your ship, start a flight with the thing, end a flight with the thing! Trickle some useful stuffs to avoid common beginner traps (like running out of food) cuz they forgot to check the game for 3 days XDD [22-Sep-24 12:51 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, the tutorials are pretty well designed [22-Sep-24 12:51 PM] kynadre#0000 little stuff like that DOES make a big difference for folks who aren't research fiends like I am [22-Sep-24 12:51 PM] kynadre#0000 yeah [22-Sep-24 12:51 PM] tanda#0000 and also set up so you can't just start a new account and steal all of the stuff {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [22-Sep-24 12:51 PM] kynadre#0000 plus I can definitely appreciate how it's saving me a lot of cost too while helping me get the ball rolling [22-Sep-24 12:53 PM] kynadre#0000 though I haven't figured out yet why the tutorial contracts always show as "closed" (which is really confusing), at least it makes it easier to find em [22-Sep-24 12:55 PM] tanda#0000 it's like closing a deal [22-Sep-24 12:55 PM] tanda#0000 ordinarily on a player sent contract it will show "open" until you accept it [22-Sep-24 12:55 PM] tanda#0000 at which point in time the contract is "closed" and both parties can work on fulfilling the terms of the contract [22-Sep-24 12:56 PM] tanda#0000 the tutorial contracts though, just get autoaccepted [22-Sep-24 01:18 PM] jcheung#0000 it annoyed me because i would do something, then an hour later get a mission to do the thing i did, but i didn't need to do it again for a long while {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [22-Sep-24 01:18 PM] jcheung#0000 so it took me like 2 weeks to finish the starter quests [22-Sep-24 01:18 PM] jcheung#0000 ...at least 1 week [22-Sep-24 01:18 PM] tanda#0000 that's what you get for paying *too* much attention [22-Sep-24 01:46 PM] kynadre#0000 Yeahh I'm playing catchup on mine because I'd queued batches of stuff, like, okay I'll queue enough AL extraction time to match smelting through the first batch of starter FE, because why would I do it piecemeal [22-Sep-24 01:46 PM] kynadre#0000 then I had to wait 3 days for the first mission to finish and it's on like 3rd market trip I'm fulfilling my "first market trip" contract stuff lmfao [22-Sep-24 01:47 PM] jcheung#0000 right? [22-Sep-24 03:27 PM] pxlfox.#0000 โœ… construction completed. Waiting for the remaining supplies to arrive to continue production. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [22-Sep-24 03:28 PM] pxlfox.#0000 RAT is out in 0.5 days, my ship will need at least a day to arrive back at Deimos, so production is going to halt for a few hours ๐Ÿ˜… [22-Sep-24 03:30 PM] tanda#0000 no it's not. Deimos, you say? [22-Sep-24 03:30 PM] pxlfox.#0000 is there a way to see in-game how much you base is currently producing? I found the XIT FIN command from PMMG, but it seems that ticker only shows the already produced profits (?) [22-Sep-24 03:30 PM] pxlfox.#0000 yes [22-Sep-24 03:30 PM] laaxus#0000 xit burn [22-Sep-24 03:31 PM] tanda#0000 please accept contract {Reactions} โค๏ธ [22-Sep-24 04:33 PM] laaxus#0000 put a quick shipping contract on ANT LM Will delete itself in 24h [22-Sep-24 04:58 PM] jcheung#0000 going to... [22-Sep-24 05:10 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm trying to sleep but at the same time, I am convinced I could create an alternative cx with options and future market [22-Sep-24 05:10 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287536452594438255/angry-homer-simpson-in-bed.jpg?ex=68149a03&is=68134883&hm=b80ea81bf264f9439fe100f52b64a37b1ed102678f0f706c6f6ef150693ec341& [22-Sep-24 05:10 PM] kynadre#0000 for future planning! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287536527353839636/image.png?ex=68149a15&is=68134895&hm=3e3631dbb3c2086ee6fe8efdc2fbfbff29b18f8d8728557562434f2067f0880b& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287536527919808534/image.png?ex=68149a15&is=68134895&hm=c29326cfd336f9ef6848789d3abb97d907301337c70abff9e2326f97db6e593f& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287536528448422125/image.png?ex=68149a15&is=68134895&hm=ada9f5378e0bac038fc226fe2741b48741f5e0ff5f453f88e2522f229958fb6e& [22-Sep-24 05:10 PM] tanda#0000 but how do you make it convenient to use? [22-Sep-24 05:10 PM] laaxus#0000 website [22-Sep-24 05:11 PM] laaxus#0000 like prunplanner [22-Sep-24 05:11 PM] kynadre#0000 So you mean Jita 2.0 [22-Sep-24 05:11 PM] kynadre#0000 without all the local double your money scams? [22-Sep-24 05:11 PM] kynadre#0000 XD [22-Sep-24 05:11 PM] tanda#0000 have you talked to Shrewdsun? [22-Sep-24 05:12 PM] laaxus#0000 basically, the website would show the current price of an option for a commodity, then we will have to make a contract [22-Sep-24 05:12 PM] tanda#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1283206603407097876 [22-Sep-24 05:12 PM] laaxus#0000 Yeah, I was planning to ask for his cooperation in this project but I don't want to start it now [22-Sep-24 05:13 PM] laaxus#0000 I want to finish my software first [22-Sep-24 05:13 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm not 25% done on that yet [22-Sep-24 05:13 PM] laaxus#0000 but once that my software is done ... [22-Sep-24 05:20 PM] razenpok#0000 What are you cooking? :eyes: [22-Sep-24 05:22 PM] laaxus#0000 Absolutely nothing, I burned out so I'm resting a bit before continuing my software [22-Sep-24 09:04 PM] jvaler#0000 saame, i just sucked it up and did a double back flight to the CX to fulfill the conditions [22-Sep-24 09:05 PM] jvaler#0000 being able to have the money to expand was worth more than the wasted fuel iirc {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [22-Sep-24 09:59 PM] kynadre#0000 I asked if anyone wanted anything hauled to the CX and anything back and took care of it that way :2x23pngemoji: [22-Sep-24 09:59 PM] kynadre#0000 heehee [22-Sep-24 10:00 PM] kynadre#0000 (besides, knowing how limited qty and expensive ships can be, may as well have mine being useful for folks vs. just sitting idle for a week) [22-Sep-24 10:05 PM] jcheung#0000 made it {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287610662498865275/image.png?ex=6814df20&is=68138da0&hm=66b98c1531915ec13b0a9889517775ea551ec37c7cf3a7983be05a73545953ff& [22-Sep-24 10:06 PM] kynadre#0000 jeeeeez [22-Sep-24 10:07 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [22-Sep-24 10:07 PM] jcheung#0000 if i had remembered to drop off fuel i specifically brought with another ship.... [22-Sep-24 10:07 PM] jcheung#0000 oh well [22-Sep-24 10:09 PM] tanda#0000 dannng [22-Sep-24 10:53 PM] getonthetrain#0000 https://tenor.com/view/out-of-gas-gas-empty-need-gas-how-gif-12042615 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/out-of-gas-gas-empty-need-gas-how-gif-12042615 Out Of Gas https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/reIQ4iWR1_hzJxI3ip6JP9tVTa9R8BeKwGYWU_WI5gA/https/media.tenor.com/LDXA5L3Bqk0AAAAe/out-of-gas-gas.png [22-Sep-24 11:14 PM] .snorka#0000 Is there a way to leave a note for myself in APEX? [22-Sep-24 11:15 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://tenor.com/view/satisfying-note-rhythm-pattern-sticky-gif-4617457 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/satisfying-note-rhythm-pattern-sticky-gif-4617457 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/7_m9uK6YqAoVfOf-eEWwVIAZBvrLwq_XB7El2XztPl4/https/media.tenor.com/zd0mYsLG4XcAAAAe/satisfying-note.png [22-Sep-24 11:16 PM] jcheung#0000 pmmg XIT NOTE [22-Sep-24 11:25 PM] tanda#0000 if you don't use PMMG or browser, open a COMG with just you in it [22-Sep-24 11:25 PM] tanda#0000 this also has the benefit of transferring with APEX, so you can check it on mobile if you so desire [22-Sep-24 11:26 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It doesn't transfer when you do COLIQ, though. [22-Sep-24 11:27 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 "Man, this production on Harmonia blows... I need to COLIQ.... '2 Days later....' --- What the hell was I going to do, anyways?" [22-Sep-24 11:32 PM] tanda#0000 man, I hope by the time you're leaving notes for yourself you're not in COLIQ range [22-Sep-24 11:32 PM] tanda#0000 that'd just be tragic [23-Sep-24 12:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I know, I have the supplies - they are just not where I need them ๐Ÿ˜‚ [23-Sep-24 01:03 AM] kynadre#0000 xDD [23-Sep-24 01:12 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Howโ€™s the recruitment policy for this discord? Can anybody invite anyone in ANT to this server. Or is it specifically for new players, who want some money? [23-Sep-24 01:13 AM] kynadre#0000 / guidance [23-Sep-24 01:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I know. Just joking ๐Ÿ˜‚ [23-Sep-24 01:17 AM] kynadre#0000 xD [23-Sep-24 03:28 AM] jvaler#0000 anyone is welcome! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287692086422016042/image.png?ex=68148235&is=681330b5&hm=b4e89f090d284bb99702f8da4a58b0e2980c47407c043acbd41ce6f874c2a570& [23-Sep-24 03:29 AM] jvaler#0000 ADI exists to improve antares, AGP is just one of our methods. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [23-Sep-24 03:49 AM] realharvey#0000 AGP is how we lure them into this community {Reactions} ๐ŸŽฃ (3) [23-Sep-24 04:26 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It probably makes sense for me to ship my AL to CX and sell it for ask price, right? [23-Sep-24 04:30 AM] evov#0000 Where's it at? [23-Sep-24 04:30 AM] laaxus#0000 only ship when you either 1) have a full ship to go 2) need money / input goods 3) have to send ship somewhere else anyway [23-Sep-24 04:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Deimos, around 100 a day [23-Sep-24 04:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 So could send a ship every two days or so [23-Sep-24 04:31 AM] evov#0000 How much you got there now? I'll just buy it off you there if you want. [23-Sep-24 04:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It just started, so not much [23-Sep-24 04:32 AM] evov#0000 Save your fuel/ships. Just cont me whatever you need to sell and I'll give you 800/unit on Deimos if you want. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ [23-Sep-24 04:32 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Sounds like a great deal, thank you โค๏ธ [23-Sep-24 04:34 AM] evov#0000 Honestly, anyone with smelters on Deimos, hit me up if you want to sell metals there instead of having to ship it to the cx. [23-Sep-24 04:35 AM] laaxus#0000 sure, what do you need ? [23-Sep-24 04:35 AM] evov#0000 I've got plenty of warehous space and make regular trips. [23-Sep-24 04:38 AM] evov#0000 Same for Vulcan if anyone has smelter bases there [23-Sep-24 04:40 AM] laaxus#0000 ah wait I misunderstood I guess you would buy at bid price ? [23-Sep-24 04:40 AM] evov#0000 I'd have to figuire it out, but yea, I'd pay whatever I'd normally be paying to buy it off the cx. [23-Sep-24 04:41 AM] evov#0000 AL - I just happen to know what I'm paying for it. All the other metals, I'd have to check. [23-Sep-24 04:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Climate change must be excessive on Deimos. There are probably so many smelteries there, that you canโ€™t even see 10 meters, because there is so much smoke in the air โ€ฆ [23-Sep-24 04:58 AM] laaxus#0000 who cares [23-Sep-24 04:58 AM] laaxus#0000 profit line goes up [23-Sep-24 04:58 AM] laaxus#0000 and I have secured my plot on harmonia {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ [23-Sep-24 04:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And itโ€™s officially over-populated with 0 left parcels and 36 over the limit ๐Ÿ˜‚ [23-Sep-24 05:00 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Since there is no game mechanic, that simulates that - nobody. Just story-telling. But imagine farms wouldnโ€™t work because of that, or O collection wouldnโ€™t workโ€ฆ water is polluted and needs to be purified first. [23-Sep-24 05:01 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Well, all the SME wouldnโ€™t mind, tho ๐Ÿ˜‚ [23-Sep-24 05:01 AM] evov#0000 Or if cold planets warmed enough that you didn't need INS anymore? [23-Sep-24 05:01 AM] laaxus#0000 Big brain moment [23-Sep-24 05:01 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Much potential [23-Sep-24 05:02 AM] laaxus#0000 we could also send a nuke in the atmosphere of too hot planet to destroy it and reduce the temp [23-Sep-24 05:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 People dying, so not enough staff. Government taking CO2-tax [23-Sep-24 05:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 We could simulate real life problems - this would take the rest of game that is still in PrUn ๐Ÿ˜‚ [23-Sep-24 05:03 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But would make the world a bit more dynamic, tbh [23-Sep-24 05:03 AM] evov#0000 Well, prun does simulate real life logistics and economic problems. [23-Sep-24 05:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And cleanup radiation afterwardsโ€ฆ or just give the people protective suits [23-Sep-24 05:05 AM] laaxus#0000 you just need your employee to live until 30 so that they reproduced [23-Sep-24 05:06 AM] laaxus#0000 what are they gonna do anyway, leave ? KEKW [23-Sep-24 05:06 AM] laaxus#0000 we control every airport on the planet good luck [23-Sep-24 05:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And every ship that leaves the planet โ€ฆ [23-Sep-24 05:46 AM] jvaler#0000 ehh? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287726792941240360/image.png?ex=6814a288&is=68135108&hm=50fd2289e6e722a6ecebdde9df6d180d7dffc79e761ae2daaf8ae9c91d1871b5& [23-Sep-24 05:47 AM] laaxus#0000 it's easier to buy than to delete and remake [23-Sep-24 05:47 AM] laaxus#0000 would do the same [23-Sep-24 05:48 AM] jvaler#0000 that's funny lol [23-Sep-24 05:48 AM] jvaler#0000 at that point why list it in the first place if you're gonna consume it [23-Sep-24 05:48 AM] laaxus#0000 keep market inventory empty [23-Sep-24 06:58 AM] tanda#0000 The planets are touching again {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287744980391034941/image.png?ex=6814b378&is=681361f8&hm=783566ff0e202a509ebf41117ec55831592212d7a15e0cd64c41b04270dff58f& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ [23-Sep-24 07:17 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m happy for them :CoelaLove: [23-Sep-24 07:20 AM] laaxus#0000 the space enthusiast in me is triggered by this unstable setup [23-Sep-24 07:20 AM] tanda#0000 I'm rather concerned about the safety of my staff and assets on both planets [23-Sep-24 11:19 AM] kynadre#0000 โค๏ธ ! [23-Sep-24 11:20 AM] kynadre#0000 it makes so much sense for basically everyone to plan their own fuel supply on Harmonia at some point. Our area's so fuel starter unfriendly [23-Sep-24 11:21 AM] kynadre#0000 Just think of it as a temporary moon base. And think of the views at night! ๐Ÿ˜ [23-Sep-24 11:21 AM] laaxus#0000 nah, it does not [23-Sep-24 11:22 AM] laaxus#0000 to me, including the cost for HQ upgrade, refineries isn't worth it [23-Sep-24 11:22 AM] laaxus#0000 to my definition of worth ofc [23-Sep-24 11:22 AM] laaxus#0000 some people here value stability [23-Sep-24 11:22 AM] laaxus#0000 I value profit and adaptability {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [23-Sep-24 11:23 AM] kynadre#0000 Def. makes sense. Plus enough people producing = market stabilizes again [23-Sep-24 11:42 AM] pxlfox.#0000 can someone explain to me what's a ticker and what's a buffer in apex? [23-Sep-24 11:42 AM] pxlfox.#0000 My guess is - if I open a new window and enter a command, what I get shown is a ticker. [23-Sep-24 11:43 AM] pxlfox.#0000 fixing it to a specific screen is a buffer? [23-Sep-24 11:43 AM] razenpok#0000 buffer is any floating window in apex [23-Sep-24 11:43 AM] razenpok#0000 But people also call any docked tile as buffer also [23-Sep-24 11:43 AM] razenpok#0000 Ticker is a material abbreviation, for example ticker of Iron is FE [23-Sep-24 11:44 AM] razenpok#0000 A ticker can have a CX id in it, for example AL.AI1 [23-Sep-24 11:45 AM] jvaler#0000 which is WRONG and EVIL do not fall victim to this {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) ๐Ÿค [23-Sep-24 11:45 AM] razenpok#0000 https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-20591327 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-20591327 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/IlPLPMfJjZtqAgdXkTT-kNfOJlcKZ9zEgpbzhSClrUg/https/media.tenor.com/FQhJNRS0B-0AAAAe/meme.png [23-Sep-24 11:45 AM] razenpok#0000 Tile is a tile {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [23-Sep-24 11:45 AM] pxlfox.#0000 So to show the info of a material, I open a new floating window (buffer), enter the command MAT and the ticker of e.g. aluminium (AL), right? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [23-Sep-24 11:46 AM] jvaler#0000 yup [23-Sep-24 11:46 AM] pxlfox.#0000 alright, makes sense. Thank you โค๏ธ [23-Sep-24 11:46 AM] razenpok#0000 irl, ticker is used in exchanges, like a ticker for Apple company shares is AAPL [23-Sep-24 11:47 AM] manhim#0000 Something I found useful are the little links at the top right of most of the commands that shows you related commands for the same element. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [23-Sep-24 11:47 AM] razenpok#0000 Oh, also companies and corporations in apex also have tickers [23-Sep-24 11:47 AM] razenpok#0000 Like, @pxlfox. your company ticker is BIT [23-Sep-24 11:47 AM] pxlfox.#0000 you could compare tickers to ids then ? [23-Sep-24 11:47 AM] razenpok#0000 Pretty much, yes [23-Sep-24 11:48 AM] avalock#0000 BIT is a cool ticker [23-Sep-24 11:48 AM] razenpok#0000 Make a BYTE corporation :Clueless1: [23-Sep-24 11:49 AM] avalock#0000 lmfaoo [23-Sep-24 11:49 AM] manhim#0000 Get 7 friends named BIT2 to BIT8 and create the BYTE corp xD {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (4) ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [23-Sep-24 11:51 AM] jvaler#0000 unless they changed it, company codes can block corp codes :/ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287818545731862528/image.png?ex=6814f7fb&is=6813a67b&hm=032bb4575eb02709fb4563149e5b50f22c9ebabaef5d3915aff02affdecf2d5a& [23-Sep-24 11:51 AM] manhim#0000 Dreams crushed ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [23-Sep-24 11:51 AM] jvaler#0000 i remember having to wait for someone's account to get deleted to claim [CORE] [23-Sep-24 11:53 AM] avalock#0000 donโ€™t worry mine were crushed long ago [23-Sep-24 11:54 AM] avalock#0000 me fr {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287819314824609863/GXxCB3OWcAAt0F0.jpg?ex=6814f8b3&is=6813a733&hm=c428dd5f9fb818e2363dc3fa4491574c4f5a4ced77cd68f6c743a7a06f134072& [23-Sep-24 12:05 PM] jcheung#0000 it's a buffer ๐Ÿ˜› fite me {Reactions} ban (2) [23-Sep-24 12:09 PM] jcheung#0000 woh woh woh [23-Sep-24 12:09 PM] jcheung#0000 i said fite me not ban me [23-Sep-24 12:13 PM] kynadre#0000 it once was a buffer, and no longer is. It has been blessed to remain permanent... until the game forgets you did so and reverts it, so you have to do it every time you log in ... thus it is still a buffer until you whack it with a hammer to become permanent :pepebless: [23-Sep-24 12:36 PM] pxlfox.#0000 it is ๐Ÿ˜Š and I was surprised it was still available ๐Ÿ˜ฎ [23-Sep-24 12:37 PM] pxlfox.#0000 currently researching the game [23-Sep-24 12:37 PM] pxlfox.#0000 keeping my findings in a personal wiki [23-Sep-24 12:38 PM] pxlfox.#0000 little sneak peak ๐Ÿคซ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287830423308861481/image.png?ex=6815030b&is=6813b18b&hm=15c3dd2a8a7f4eae2485fa4da9a1ef860dae76fc49ece5fa8d76c5c9463c0f35& {Reactions} blobjustright [23-Sep-24 12:38 PM] pxlfox.#0000 (it's german, because that's easier for me) [23-Sep-24 12:41 PM] jcheung#0000 in a wiki o.O [23-Sep-24 12:43 PM] jcheung#0000 you say FLX slows it down, it actually technically doesn't [23-Sep-24 12:44 PM] jcheung#0000 if you look at output, the time per AL base is 4 hrs per AL FLX recipe is closer to 3.7 hrs per AL [23-Sep-24 12:44 PM] pxlfox.#0000 it uses MediaWiki, a free software. I setup a fresh copy on my personal server and using it there. [23-Sep-24 12:44 PM] jcheung#0000 so it's both faster and uses less input materials [23-Sep-24 12:45 PM] jcheung#0000 therefore i'd argue that it's faster [23-Sep-24 12:45 PM] jcheung#0000 but that's my take [23-Sep-24 12:45 PM] jcheung#0000 it does technically as a whole take longer [23-Sep-24 12:45 PM] jcheung#0000 so you're not wrong [23-Sep-24 12:45 PM] pxlfox.#0000 ๐Ÿค” just saw the 14h vs 12h. But if you take it as output per minute, then you're probably right [23-Sep-24 12:54 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Maybe I can put it public one day. Have to handle some legal stuff first, tho. But then everybody can see and correct all the stupid stuff I wrote there xD [23-Sep-24 12:54 PM] pxlfox.#0000 gonna incorporate your feedback somehow, thank you ๐Ÿ™‚ [23-Sep-24 12:56 PM] pxlfox.#0000 on the topic of aluminium - already produced more AL in less then 24 hours then the whole last week... man, those AGP are amazing. I would've take me at least a few weeks to get to this point without it. Thank you guys for making this possible โค๏ธ especially those, who give away there "hard earned money" ๐Ÿ˜› {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [23-Sep-24 01:00 PM] pxlfox.#0000 would it be right to categorize the materials and buildings into tiers, corresponding to the staff levels, e.g. pioneers beeing tier 1, settlers are tier 2, etc. [23-Sep-24 01:02 PM] jcheung#0000 don't worry too much about incorporating my rambling ๐Ÿ˜› [23-Sep-24 01:03 PM] jcheung#0000 that's how the game does it when you go to build [23-Sep-24 01:03 PM] jcheung#0000 it categorizes it by highest worker type needed [23-Sep-24 01:45 PM] jvaler#0000 the hammer is my weapon... [23-Sep-24 01:46 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bCi15.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-gif-21483615 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/a2YWQE5gn9MPr3s1v9xnz9LQPrLu7_2imWcSHY7vmG4/https/media.tenor.com/f5OyojGcVEkAAAAe/dies-cat.png [23-Sep-24 01:46 PM] jvaler#0000 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/822022737052041226/949628447918006272/image0_1.gif {Embed} https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/822022737052041226/949628447918006272/image0_1.gif https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/822022737052041226/949628447918006272/image0_1.gif?ex=6814ab69&is=681359e9&hm=1fbc9dae90df5af17b1139ea3b6199674ad0e63c4336910d4f07f959c19faff2& [23-Sep-24 02:15 PM] jcheung#0000 i spent 20 minutes packing shit for new base, leave it for 30 minutes, come back and double check everything.... [23-Sep-24 02:15 PM] jcheung#0000 and still manage to miss something-RATs [23-Sep-24 02:15 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bcF6P.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/reee-kid-tantrums-gif-15375793 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/p80W83C-UyzmCWkzY3xrAyGHdvCK6h9nHC5N_eOpTKw/https/media.tenor.com/UCq3JfkifZcAAAAe/reee-kid.png [23-Sep-24 02:25 PM] kynadre#0000 xDDD [23-Sep-24 02:25 PM] kynadre#0000 https://tenor.com/view/aww-rats-oh-shoot-gosh-darn-it-golly-gee-too-bad-gif-23684761 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/aww-rats-oh-shoot-gosh-darn-it-golly-gee-too-bad-gif-23684761 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ZiFCQYDUF1SlDDOHoeq8Ablamryxmv-JkVkW7dCfgAg/https/media.tenor.com/fSish7uFCl0AAAAe/aww-rats-oh-shoot.png [23-Sep-24 02:26 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah. did you know that if you supply everything except for RAT, PIO only work at 25%? :/ [23-Sep-24 02:26 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/byaHZ.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/jump-hanging-gif-20498305 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/vNPIYAMn0hFE9NLp-glHKfP5MweBxxuc4f1s7wiLoB8/https/media.tenor.com/3qtsxFSPDCAAAAAe/jump-hanging.png [23-Sep-24 04:19 PM] avalock#0000 work done, cozy time [23-Sep-24 04:20 PM] avalock#0000 @jvaler spiro is the worst sometimes lmfao [23-Sep-24 04:59 PM] .snorka#0000 Is a supply/demand ratio like this a clue that making BSE is a good idea or a bad one? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287896081702588466/image.png?ex=68149771&is=681345f1&hm=40c6048d3ac2a00828976ebdd158c6f58621da9d66493536d9640a645f448644& [23-Sep-24 05:01 PM] .shiva.#0000 potentially, but for BSE in particular...: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287896731400409118/image.png?ex=6814980c&is=6813468c&hm=6e64d1ade43072997f951d96ad9d085d1e234521bde0aea694f8a70275cb664d& [23-Sep-24 05:01 PM] .shiva.#0000 it's pinned to the NPC market maker orders [23-Sep-24 05:02 PM] .shiva.#0000 which cap the profit on it, to not amazing levels [23-Sep-24 05:02 PM] .snorka#0000 Yeah I saw that [23-Sep-24 05:02 PM] .snorka#0000 thought maybe 1650 was a high price [23-Sep-24 05:04 PM] .shiva.#0000 BSE isn't terrible, but basically anything else you produce in the same building will make you more money. [23-Sep-24 05:04 PM] evov#0000 If you believe you can make good profits, selling it below 1650, then yes, you'll probably be able to sell a lot since there's virtually no competition. [23-Sep-24 05:05 PM] .snorka#0000 Doing the math and yeah it looks like BBH is a better margin [23-Sep-24 05:05 PM] .snorka#0000 presumably most of the others are as well [23-Sep-24 05:05 PM] .shiva.#0000 PP2: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287897784074113074/image.png?ex=68149907&is=68134787&hm=c1c3369d7fb223235f9058b036c00bdedb2cc477ff1ca0819f5d86081c64ca52& {Reactions} โค๏ธ [23-Sep-24 05:06 PM] .shiva.#0000 which isn't the whole story, but yeah [23-Sep-24 05:07 PM] .shiva.#0000 you can't really run an LDE base 24/7 and expect to sell all the output for example [23-Sep-24 05:07 PM] .snorka#0000 makes sense [23-Sep-24 05:08 PM] evov#0000 Be mindful of what price setting you're using in pp also. It isn't an all knowing oracle. [23-Sep-24 06:22 PM] jcheung#0000 Well. You can sell it for sure all day every day. The problem is "selling at a good price" [23-Sep-24 06:32 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, those prices are a bit messy right there, I'm showing BDE losing a lot of money on ASK:ASK [23-Sep-24 06:32 PM] tanda#0000 which is in line with how that recipe has behaved in the past [23-Sep-24 06:36 PM] .shiva.#0000 it's just the 7day rolling avg [23-Sep-24 06:36 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287920591609008184/image.png?ex=6814ae45&is=68135cc5&hm=e857021dff417cfa4ca8e1054b84ce93234d665a4fd49b3ac21cec505d01e65c& [23-Sep-24 06:36 PM] tanda#0000 in the near term, it looks like LSE is tanking *again* [23-Sep-24 06:37 PM] .shiva.#0000 where your prices look more like buying from ASK and selling to bids [23-Sep-24 06:39 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287921239255416924/image.png?ex=6814aedf&is=68135d5f&hm=f12ab99d2f9fe28314352c0de3c98b08c39c69006f6e26ce11bb099aab2a6a5c& [23-Sep-24 06:39 PM] tanda#0000 have I mentioned how much I dislike PRUN planner having its own distinct terms from the game? [23-Sep-24 06:41 PM] .shiva.#0000 current BDE and PG. I'm still not sure how you're at -1.9k {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287921771055550507/image.png?ex=6814af5e&is=68135dde&hm=ddffa90603afd121fd757d75a328d508e800e859566c6477180dbb2639df0fa9& [23-Sep-24 06:42 PM] tanda#0000 60 PG is 2,544, turn around and retail that at 2330. You pay manufacturing costs to lose money [23-Sep-24 06:42 PM] .shiva.#0000 sure, but that math still doesnt check out [23-Sep-24 06:43 PM] tanda#0000 Idk man, neither does the other math [23-Sep-24 06:43 PM] .shiva.#0000 yeah it does? at avg, its barely making money w/ a whole +100 AIC [23-Sep-24 06:43 PM] tanda#0000 because if it's just pulling from BID prices, that makes PG 2280, and BDE sell at 2160 [23-Sep-24 06:43 PM] .shiva.#0000 but it's not losing 1.9k by any settings [23-Sep-24 06:44 PM] tanda#0000 I don't know what to tell you. That's a pretty fresh FIO import, so there are no custom price settings on it [23-Sep-24 06:47 PM] jcheung#0000 It's because someone accelerated the AL price rise [23-Sep-24 06:48 PM] tanda#0000 we can say his name here, lol [23-Sep-24 06:48 PM] tanda#0000 he single handedly turned Deimos into my second top earner [23-Sep-24 06:48 PM] jcheung#0000 Displayed also includes deterioration (repair) [23-Sep-24 06:48 PM] jcheung#0000 You also have to add on workforce currently [23-Sep-24 06:49 PM] jcheung#0000 Cogm has it included though [23-Sep-24 06:49 PM] jvaler#0000 better than not having it though ๐Ÿ™ƒ [23-Sep-24 06:50 PM] avalock#0000 oop sorry [23-Sep-24 07:13 PM] jvaler#0000 no sorry that sounded weird [23-Sep-24 07:13 PM] jvaler#0000 i just mean i can't relate lol [23-Sep-24 07:23 PM] avalock#0000 oh you're fine, I just should watch more cause idk, I forget sometimes [23-Sep-24 07:27 PM] jvaler#0000 watch what? [23-Sep-24 07:27 PM] avalock#0000 uhhhh idk how to explain it lol [23-Sep-24 07:27 PM] avalock#0000 I'm silly dog [23-Sep-24 07:27 PM] avalock#0000 woof [23-Sep-24 07:28 PM] jvaler#0000 meow [23-Sep-24 07:28 PM] avalock#0000 awroooo [23-Sep-24 09:18 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜Œ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1287961208829509682/image.png?ex=6814d419&is=68138299&hm=60f81bea46001d3f30a4d7313c01211668db875fa436c925a2635d45d65228f0& [23-Sep-24 09:19 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm saved [23-Sep-24 09:22 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฎ [23-Sep-24 09:22 PM] jcheung#0000 people are still selling that low? [23-Sep-24 09:27 PM] jvaler#0000 the spread of SF is just really large for some reason [23-Sep-24 09:27 PM] jvaler#0000 hasn't caught up to asks [23-Sep-24 09:27 PM] evov#0000 Sup ๐Ÿ™‚ [23-Sep-24 09:29 PM] jvaler#0000 i'd put up a bid if i were you, might get lucky who knows ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ [23-Sep-24 09:32 PM] evov#0000 All of the price models have their own issues. There is no "correct" choice. But you should understand the pros/cons of whatever option you're using. Time averaged data (e.g. PP7D_AI1 ) falls down a bit when there's sharp movements in the AI market. It means you'll be late to the party to realize you're losing money or making the wrong thing etc. [23-Sep-24 10:42 PM] kynadre#0000 Yay I hauled it to station for MM XD [23-Sep-24 10:43 PM] kynadre#0000 *headpats self* [24-Sep-24 01:09 AM] pxlfox.#0000 does anyone know how consumable affect the efficiency of production? Pioneers need 3 basic and 2 luxury materials. If you provide everything you get a 100% efficiency, if you only provide basic ones, they cap at around 70/80%, if I remember correctly. What happens, when all or just a few basic materials are missing? Can people leave your company, if you don't provide the required materials? [24-Sep-24 01:09 AM] laaxus#0000 no rat is like 25% I believe ? [24-Sep-24 01:10 AM] laaxus#0000 rat and dw, you get to 70% or something [24-Sep-24 01:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 First package of 100 units AL produced! ๐Ÿฅณ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ (2) [24-Sep-24 02:14 AM] jcheung#0000 *cough* [24-Sep-24 02:15 AM] jcheung#0000 You lose a lot if a critical need is not met [24-Sep-24 02:15 AM] jcheung#0000 1/4th speed without rat for PIO. No idea what the others are [24-Sep-24 02:16 AM] jcheung#0000 They don't leave, they just work slower [24-Sep-24 02:16 AM] jcheung#0000 They only leave if there isn't enough workers of that type ln the planet [24-Sep-24 02:16 AM] jcheung#0000 And that starts subtracting from the people who have the highest usage first [24-Sep-24 04:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I hate the fact, that CUO is so hard to get. At the same time it triggers the gamer in me, because he sees it as a challenge not many are willing to accept ๐Ÿฅด itโ€™s going to financially ruin me to setup a production line, just so I can brag with: Iโ€™m making copper ๐Ÿ˜‚. [24-Sep-24 04:32 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Or it makes me rich, but I doubt that possibility [24-Sep-24 04:33 AM] laaxus#0000 The only issue with cuo is the shipping [24-Sep-24 04:33 AM] evov#0000 Buy CUO from wherever it's cheapest, send it to your smelters, smelt, profit. [24-Sep-24 04:33 AM] laaxus#0000 you need 1 cuo ext base, 2 cu sme bases and then you produce 600 cu a day [24-Sep-24 04:33 AM] laaxus#0000 (and fill the need for the whole galaxy) [24-Sep-24 04:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Yeah, shipping, logistics, relatively low demand [24-Sep-24 04:34 AM] laaxus#0000 I believe the low demand comes from high price [24-Sep-24 04:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But if you lower the price, your profit is eaten up by the shipping [24-Sep-24 04:34 AM] laaxus#0000 If you own the cuo and sme base, you could sell the CU for 1600 [24-Sep-24 04:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I need a gateway right at my CUO extraction planet - that would fix all problems ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚ [24-Sep-24 04:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The new ducktape of the universeโ€ฆ [24-Sep-24 04:35 AM] evov#0000 Nope. Would only fix 1 of them. You're still left with insufficient demand. [24-Sep-24 04:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 ๐Ÿ™„๐Ÿ˜ญ [24-Sep-24 04:36 AM] laaxus#0000 you sure the demand wont increase for cu at 1600 ? [24-Sep-24 04:36 AM] evov#0000 What are you planning on doing with the CU? [24-Sep-24 04:37 AM] evov#0000 My CX activity for Copper {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288071824038559804/image.png?ex=6814925e&is=681340de&hm=2c1aee968bb03fb7197bb4c94ced964d91a7169ce36032f8fb88b6d96ce14646& [24-Sep-24 04:37 AM] laaxus#0000 there's gonna be a need for cu with the gateways, no ? [24-Sep-24 04:37 AM] evov#0000 And for copper ore {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288071900471492633/image.png?ex=68149270&is=681340f0&hm=567220d0060ccd8d2eb8ab2b3df93f08b8912281d224d76a5644efc13309509f& [24-Sep-24 04:38 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Maybe temporary, but eventuell all the gateways are build, arenโ€™t they? [24-Sep-24 04:38 AM] laaxus#0000 gonna take a year [24-Sep-24 04:38 AM] laaxus#0000 minimum [24-Sep-24 04:39 AM] evov#0000 And that's assuming that the people building the gateways will source their stuff from the CX rather than just building a production line themselves for it. [24-Sep-24 04:41 AM] pxlfox.#0000 You could make CBS with your excess CU and sell it to the MM [24-Sep-24 04:41 AM] laaxus#0000 but that defeat the whole goal [24-Sep-24 04:41 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But other then that, CU seams to be a dead end and for that way to hard to get [24-Sep-24 04:42 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm yearning for people to use the cx rather than building their whole economy vertical [24-Sep-24 04:43 AM] evov#0000 Refer to my purchases of copper/copper ore over the last 40 days. CBS does use copper, but not THAT much {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288073213598765087/image.png?ex=681493a9&is=68134229&hm=18260827a9b89e28ba8913cd9e5d6a7a019503fa249febcd4dcd81c9c37a5aec& [24-Sep-24 04:44 AM] evov#0000 At the end of the day, do what makes you happy. Build, make, expand etc. I do think demand for CUO will go up. I'm not sure if it'll go up enough to require an extra 300 CU per day [24-Sep-24 04:45 AM] razenpok#0000 @evov LazyM bought out RDE.AI1 *again* lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288073721285709945/image.png?ex=68149422&is=681342a2&hm=c4ddc4d3b902e5d1e65c0d2790bc42f1958a150e782671f757704ad7581918c7& [24-Sep-24 04:45 AM] razenpok#0000 238 units in one go [24-Sep-24 04:45 AM] evov#0000 I'm pretty much all out. I'll have to start making more RDE [24-Sep-24 04:45 AM] razenpok#0000 I have some, don't worry [24-Sep-24 04:46 AM] razenpok#0000 I'm actually quite happy there's this weirdo buying out my full production output lol [24-Sep-24 04:46 AM] evov#0000 hmm I have notifactions for my other rfabs getting bought out too. [24-Sep-24 04:47 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Overproduce, undersell, kill the competition, create a monopoly, profit ๐Ÿ˜‚ [24-Sep-24 04:48 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Just have to get like 20mil in a few weeks before gateways are outโ€ฆ wish me luck ๐Ÿ’€ [24-Sep-24 04:49 AM] laaxus#0000 get a loan, transfer the funds, coliq, profit ! (disclaimer, do not do that) [24-Sep-24 04:49 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/IxbJXmUv0OdAS-3OS_XL70XsiUELUb7GctnPJP1yhgc/https/media.tenor.com/YuaZwKZxXgoAAAAe/write-that-down-taking-notes.png [24-Sep-24 04:51 AM] evov#0000 I just put the rest of my rfab stock up as a backstop incase someone wants to drain the cx dry. {Reactions} ๐Ÿค [24-Sep-24 04:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 How would one calculate transportation costs, asking for a friend ๐Ÿ‘€ [24-Sep-24 04:54 AM] laaxus#0000 SHIP cost / (expected ROI) + fuel cost [24-Sep-24 04:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 ROI = Output - Input? [24-Sep-24 04:55 AM] laaxus#0000 ROI = number of days you expect the ship to be paid for itself [24-Sep-24 04:55 AM] laaxus#0000 ah wait you mean, for you ? [24-Sep-24 04:55 AM] laaxus#0000 using your starter ships ? [24-Sep-24 04:55 AM] laaxus#0000 then it's just fuel cost [24-Sep-24 04:55 AM] laaxus#0000 repair is negligible [24-Sep-24 04:56 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Basically - if I transport a load from a to b, much much money do I lose [24-Sep-24 04:56 AM] laaxus#0000 the fuel [24-Sep-24 04:56 AM] evov#0000 Make a ship blueprint -> (Buffer -> BLU ) Then create a blueprint for this ship {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288076616127221861/image.png?ex=681496d4&is=68134554&hm=6a3c0aec3dec9b14fc16c5075d34a4447665f320c6c8881a70a4e4eeb5ad5945& [24-Sep-24 04:57 AM] evov#0000 Save that. At the top of that window, there's a buffer/link that says bluprint flight similator.. or something like that. [24-Sep-24 04:57 AM] evov#0000 Click that... go set up test flights from wherever to wherever. Look at fuel usage and time. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [24-Sep-24 04:58 AM] evov#0000 Get fuel costs from the CX. Work out fuel costs. Add a bit for repairs (I have no idea how to cleanly calculate repair costs). And then add on whatever the capital cost of the ship is worth for a day. [24-Sep-24 04:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Thanks ๐Ÿ˜Š [24-Sep-24 04:59 AM] evov#0000 Opinion's vary - but I'd say a ship like that is worth 30k per day. [24-Sep-24 04:59 AM] laaxus#0000 The issue is this strategy is that storage is free [24-Sep-24 05:00 AM] laaxus#0000 I could technically produce CU for 600 and be the sole supplier of the galaxy [24-Sep-24 05:00 AM] evov#0000 Storage on the CX is free [24-Sep-24 05:00 AM] laaxus#0000 but then the rich player will just buy my production and store 2 years of use [24-Sep-24 05:00 AM] evov#0000 At 600/unit... I'd buy it off you before you even make it ๐Ÿ™‚ [24-Sep-24 05:00 AM] laaxus#0000 so when i'll raise the price back to normal, people will just stop buying from me, using their stock [24-Sep-24 05:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 hmmmโ€ฆ what about selling it a the production site? For like way cheaper as the CX [24-Sep-24 05:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Therefore people with money an ships going to get it themself, wonโ€™t they? [24-Sep-24 05:02 AM] laaxus#0000 the annoyance of shipping themselves is higher than the cost of me shipping it to the cx [24-Sep-24 05:03 AM] evov#0000 Usually.. yes. Depends on the volume. [24-Sep-24 05:04 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€˜m looking a way to gradually building my way there without the need to wait millennia just to get enough cash for the whole line [24-Sep-24 05:05 AM] laaxus#0000 how about 1300 / u ? :p [24-Sep-24 05:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I would need to make the calculations, but if you bring the supplies on youโ€˜re way there you could profit twice ๐Ÿ˜‹ [24-Sep-24 05:06 AM] laaxus#0000 loans are your best bet [24-Sep-24 05:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Is there a Discord for galactic trading discussions? [24-Sep-24 05:07 AM] laaxus#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/855496119713660949 [24-Sep-24 05:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Dont have the server [24-Sep-24 05:08 AM] laaxus#0000 https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP [24-Sep-24 06:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Letโ€™s just assume I have a CUO EXT base on LG430-b, witch is 8 jumps away of AI1, and would sell CUO in high quantities for 180/unit, would that be interesting for anybody? [24-Sep-24 06:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 (Hope I donโ€™t annoy anybody with my CU talk) [24-Sep-24 06:07 AM] laaxus#0000 bad idea [24-Sep-24 06:07 AM] laaxus#0000 you should smelt the cuo and ship the cu [24-Sep-24 06:08 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Since prices are better? [24-Sep-24 06:08 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But then again, I need logistic capacity [24-Sep-24 06:08 AM] evov#0000 Since total demand for it is lower. Doing a half half base - you miss out on efficiency. But... you don't risk over-supplying the market like crazy. [24-Sep-24 06:08 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I know itโ€™s less then optimal [24-Sep-24 06:09 AM] pxlfox.#0000 True - and saving on shipping [24-Sep-24 06:10 AM] evov#0000 Maybe. Depends where it is. Still need to ship the CU back and the O out there. Do what makes you happy, but I strongly advise to stay away from logistics heavy project until you're more established. [24-Sep-24 06:10 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I know, just thinking [24-Sep-24 06:11 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Maybe setup intermediate bases I use later for CU smelting - dunno. Have to think about it [24-Sep-24 06:11 AM] laaxus#0000 Shipping cu as much easier than shipping cuo [24-Sep-24 06:11 AM] laaxus#0000 Iirc [24-Sep-24 06:11 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But CU is heavier, or are we talking about price / mass [24-Sep-24 06:13 AM] evov#0000 But that's like saying - It's easier to deadlift something than benchpress it! .. yeah, good point, but we're trying to move a tractor, so just wait till the towtruck gets here? [24-Sep-24 06:15 AM] laaxus#0000 You're under valuing the cost of a ship [24-Sep-24 06:16 AM] laaxus#0000 A ship is from 4 to 6 M depending on how much you are ready to wait [24-Sep-24 06:16 AM] laaxus#0000 A low shipping base truly has value [24-Sep-24 06:17 AM] laaxus#0000 But a cuo base would require a dedicated WCB [24-Sep-24 06:18 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 While CU might be attractive... You're still looking at a surplus market for it on the CX. It's an intermediate product, with no immediate-end use customer on the other side of any sales transaction. You're better off redoubling on vertical integration with that metal, at least on the metallurgical side, since it'll cut down on overall logistical requirements... And the end-use | retail markets for any of those CU derivative products are niche, and have little sales turnover on a daily/weekly cycle. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [24-Sep-24 06:19 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I think someone posted, somewhere in here.... [24-Sep-24 06:19 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The actual daily costs of consumables, per 100 population tier, not that long ago.... [24-Sep-24 06:20 AM] evov#0000 This one? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288097716131467336/image.png?ex=6814aa7b&is=681358fb&hm=714de7cb7694d12f93e3ef2a9163e1570df4921ae36b0a96db850a1e40c24280& [24-Sep-24 06:20 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I know, CU is basically a money sink. Itโ€™s hard to get, costs lots of logistics and isnโ€™t even useful that much. But itโ€™s shinyโ€ฆ ๐Ÿ˜… [24-Sep-24 06:20 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 There's like a 2^x function with that, and it spikes up to like more than a given base 2 exponential progression, once you hit those niche tiers like ENGs and SCIs..... They're niche for a reason. [24-Sep-24 06:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 ๐Ÿฅน๐Ÿ˜ช [24-Sep-24 06:22 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Alright, going to burn my hopes and dreams in one of my smelteries, gonna sip a bit O from the tanks and then looking for better ideas.. [24-Sep-24 06:26 AM] evov#0000 Here's your path to getting the copper ore base you want - Figuire out what it'll cost you. ( you'll want 3 x WCB ships to handle the volume/distance) I can deliver that to you by the end of the week if you've got the $$ for it. Your base, will cost you 1.5mil + some amount of consumables. I'd suggest at least a couple weeks.. might take time for your CUO to sell. So maybe allow 2mil for the base+consumes. And the ships are 5.6mil each. So you'll want an 18.8mil loan. Have a chat to some of the loan providers and find out what that looks like. {Reactions} ๐Ÿฅน [24-Sep-24 06:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Someday I will be filthy rich and sell copper to the poor and needy. [24-Sep-24 06:29 AM] evov#0000 You could get away with 2 ships... if you crank the fuel sliders to full all the time. [24-Sep-24 06:30 AM] laaxus#0000 Your best bet is to sell it at hortus then put LM offers to ship it to ant [24-Sep-24 06:30 AM] laaxus#0000 Loans are at 3% a week at best [24-Sep-24 06:31 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Some are better than that... You just need to give out some really good reasons as to why you need capital injections, to boost ADI projects, or ANT CX supply side prospects. [24-Sep-24 06:31 AM] laaxus#0000 To buy 3 WCB just for one base is an awful investment [24-Sep-24 06:33 AM] evov#0000 Just to put it into perspective - you can get your first 20 permits unlocked for less than 12mil [24-Sep-24 06:33 AM] evov#0000 20x whatever cheap ass low margin janky base you can put together will earn a lot lot lot lot lot more than whatever you're thinking of doing with copper [24-Sep-24 06:34 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Most peeps are getting seriously dicked around permits 6-->8, since they only have starters... If they meet the WCB upgrade options... Okay they might just get to permit 10-->12 without issues... [24-Sep-24 06:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Itโ€™s already burning, guys ๐Ÿ˜‚ [24-Sep-24 06:35 AM] evov#0000 Not burning them, just delaying them. Get your 20 permits as ap. [24-Sep-24 06:36 AM] evov#0000 So what you're saying, is that there's a dire need for projects or solutions that reduce shipping needs for newer players ? ? ? [24-Sep-24 06:38 AM] laaxus#0000 If only it was possible to Rent ships [24-Sep-24 06:38 AM] laaxus#0000 @devs [24-Sep-24 06:38 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I've done better. Fully funded 1 player, up to like 12 HQ permits, with x2 WCB upgrades, as free grants, since I know they were going to have issues, at any time, without them, either on capital injections, or shipping requirements... They're currently doing their best to figure things out, with LCB/WCB orders on the long-term. [24-Sep-24 06:39 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yes, they've already paid for those.... But I'm sure all of you are aware that ship building ques.... are tedious... [24-Sep-24 06:40 AM] evov#0000 No ship building ques here ๐Ÿ™‚ [24-Sep-24 06:43 AM] evov#0000 I think as people progress through the game (as measured by permit count) the metrics and the things that are important change. Below 20... it should all be about logistical and capital efficiency. 20-30 - start refining and cleaning up how you're using permits.. upgrading bases etc. 30+ Start looking towards things that aren't directly tied to permits to make $ [24-Sep-24 06:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Are you multi-permiting youโ€™re bases? [24-Sep-24 06:45 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Like using 2 or 3 permits on one planet [24-Sep-24 06:45 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I wuz for years... Now I'm just left with a single planet to decouple. ๐Ÿ˜› [24-Sep-24 06:45 AM] laaxus#0000 It's a good Idea before ship upgrades [24-Sep-24 06:45 AM] laaxus#0000 Not after [24-Sep-24 06:46 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Can you remove permits from planets later? [24-Sep-24 06:46 AM] laaxus#0000 Yes [24-Sep-24 06:46 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yes, you can. [24-Sep-24 06:46 AM] evov#0000 I multi permited at the start. But....buying FTL ships at the start wasn't an option, loans weren't really available etc. [24-Sep-24 06:47 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 2 years + ago... loans weren't a thing, unless you were "well connected". The ship building markets/planets were also less developed, if not entirely non-existent. Lots of things have changed within these past 1-2 years. [24-Sep-24 06:49 AM] evov#0000 Right now, once you've got 4 or 5 bases you could probably afford a loan to buy a new ship [24-Sep-24 06:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I like the idea of extracting and smelting something else, easier then copperโ€ฆ maybe LI? (Didnโ€™t looked at the recipe - dunno if itโ€™s actually easy) [24-Sep-24 06:51 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 FE | AL are your bread + butter. (also their derivatives) [24-Sep-24 06:51 AM] evov#0000 And the ship upgrade kits are much much cheaper, you could upgrade your 2 starter ships much much earlier than we were able to. So today.... while I think multipermiting is ok... it's no longer optimal. [24-Sep-24 06:52 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Those who partake in those more troublesome metals are: 1) your shipbuilding conglomerates, or individuals, and/or 2) your margin farmers (y'all know who they are). [24-Sep-24 06:52 AM] laaxus#0000 Honestly, I dislike the concepts of permit [24-Sep-24 06:52 AM] laaxus#0000 Why force players to go vertical [24-Sep-24 06:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Yeah, but LI market goes brrr (says PrunPlanner at least) [24-Sep-24 06:53 AM] evov#0000 LI market does go BRR. [24-Sep-24 06:53 AM] laaxus#0000 Until someone break the Margin trader bid order [24-Sep-24 06:53 AM] laaxus#0000 And then pouf no profit [24-Sep-24 06:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Have to look into that and how the market actually is [24-Sep-24 06:55 AM] pxlfox.#0000 FE looks like a solid choice, tbh. Probably like Al - stable, but with less profit [24-Sep-24 06:55 AM] tanda#0000 from what I understand, Rise is about to crash the LI market in ANT {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [24-Sep-24 06:55 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Id say so the CXPX | CXOB market research, and look into the LEAD production stats, for those who partake within individual commodity markets.. [24-Sep-24 06:55 AM] evov#0000 I did FE -> STL on vulcan for a while once upon a time. [24-Sep-24 06:55 AM] laaxus#0000 Yep, that's what I understood too [24-Sep-24 06:56 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 That should give you a good enough base of info, to sketch up bases, of some sort. [24-Sep-24 06:56 AM] evov#0000 Crash = Sell lots into it so price goes down? Or Crash = Buy all of it so there's none left? .... I feel like either meaning works. [24-Sep-24 06:57 AM] laaxus#0000 Sell [24-Sep-24 06:58 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Meh... Marginally better prices at ANT, than anywhere else... The volume differentials are the key. [24-Sep-24 06:58 AM] laaxus#0000 The trader is the only worthwhile bid order [24-Sep-24 06:58 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Lots of supply from Rise, at fairly low intervals... Should help the relative capacitor industry somewhat.... Pankillers, wtf... Why do you need LI? [24-Sep-24 06:58 AM] laaxus#0000 And no one pay at ask [24-Sep-24 06:59 AM] laaxus#0000 Once it's Gone ... [24-Sep-24 06:59 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Once its gone... The next supply will be coming in soon. ๐Ÿ˜› [24-Sep-24 07:00 AM] laaxus#0000 If you need li, don't hรฉsitate to put a bid order [24-Sep-24 07:03 AM] evov#0000 I use LI {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288108524676845690/image.png?ex=6814b48c&is=6813630c&hm=4d8627df6249138cf12123369233e63a81688cd8f047e318c2fe885dd979a986& [24-Sep-24 07:09 AM] laaxus#0000 You might buy 100 li a day, but seeing no bid orders doesn't give us, small producers, confidence [24-Sep-24 07:10 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Hmmm.... [24-Sep-24 07:10 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 LEAD has a production stat... Should it also have a consumption stat? [24-Sep-24 07:13 AM] evov#0000 You can look at production stats for all the things that use it I guess [24-Sep-24 07:13 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yeah. The score #s are kinda vague, though. [24-Sep-24 07:14 AM] evov#0000 For me it's capacitor banks that I make. Sometimes POW. Capacitor banks are usually limited by production or price of BE though. [24-Sep-24 07:15 AM] laaxus#0000 Would you buy be from the CX or you prefer producing everything yourself [24-Sep-24 07:15 AM] laaxus#0000 Be wise [24-Sep-24 07:15 AM] evov#0000 Depends on volume. [24-Sep-24 07:16 AM] evov#0000 I DO produce BE myself. But there's other things those buildings produce that I need also. [24-Sep-24 07:19 AM] evov#0000 For me at least - I make and use BE/ZR/BOS .. sometimes TA. So I split production between those as needed. If I can buy BE cheap enough, I can make more of the other things. [24-Sep-24 07:20 AM] laaxus#0000 That's the current state of the order book {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288112913739153509/image.png?ex=6814b8a2&is=68136722&hm=1631e08f2c166e7fb7a0004a67d2f5bd9e2e99766d049983c49fdab21b3b8bed& [24-Sep-24 07:21 AM] laaxus#0000 an aml base produce 130 be a day [24-Sep-24 07:22 AM] laaxus#0000 would you buy be for 1700 ? [24-Sep-24 07:23 AM] evov#0000 sometimes [24-Sep-24 07:23 AM] evov#0000 sometimes more than that. I've paid 2k for BE before. [24-Sep-24 07:23 AM] evov#0000 It's not ideal but it's still doable. [24-Sep-24 07:24 AM] laaxus#0000 why not put a bid order and see what happens ? [24-Sep-24 07:24 AM] laaxus#0000 surely, you have the monetary fund to do it ? [24-Sep-24 07:24 AM] evov#0000 Well... 1. I don't have infinite money. What I have is being used. 2. I don't need BE right now. My bases that use it have enough to keep them going. [24-Sep-24 07:25 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Lol... Try better ways, at creating instant dump opportunities. [24-Sep-24 07:25 AM] laaxus#0000 I mean, you just bought 50M worth of AL [24-Sep-24 07:26 AM] evov#0000 That was across all the CX's. Only about 30mil of that was in ant. [24-Sep-24 07:26 AM] laaxus#0000 when you could have put an AL bid and spare atleast 2-3M [24-Sep-24 07:27 AM] evov#0000 If you're that interested - this is my current market positions https://aeryen23.github.io/yapt/#/view-company?company=EVOV [24-Sep-24 07:28 AM] laaxus#0000 Oh wow [24-Sep-24 07:28 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Welp. ADI now has that tool, to splurge their time on. [24-Sep-24 07:28 AM] laaxus#0000 Did you build that tool ? [24-Sep-24 07:29 AM] laaxus#0000 Anyway sorry If I sounded agressive, was not the point [24-Sep-24 07:29 AM] evov#0000 Once a week I'll take down all my orders and do a stock take. As at friday (before I bought up AL) this was my holdings {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288115029949812858/image.png?ex=6814ba9b&is=6813691b&hm=797140182ae0bdeca491692a201f537ef8bf0de789d5ea9c85ca4899ee348b5a& [24-Sep-24 07:29 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 That tools is just another FIO end-point derivative... It's been up for years. [24-Sep-24 07:29 AM] evov#0000 Not my tool/website no. [24-Sep-24 07:29 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm just trying to understand the behaviors of players [24-Sep-24 07:29 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 There's better ways to get real-time player action data... But we need a private server instance to constantly pull FIO data.... [24-Sep-24 07:29 AM] evov#0000 I feel like I'm as open and honest about my game/positions as is possible... no secrets here. [24-Sep-24 07:31 AM] evov#0000 I don't have any secret back door or insider information on anything. I just use the fio cx prices list. and copy/paste my own details into sheets. I don't run fio or any extensions and play on the steam version. [24-Sep-24 07:32 AM] evov#0000 So any info or insights I'm able to get... is directly from that info. The only thing I've got that everyone doesn't have access to... would be my historical trades... and I link them publicly all the time. [24-Sep-24 07:36 AM] laaxus#0000 Btw @evov @scintillating_iridescence, if you guys could change/add/remove things from the game, what would they be ? [24-Sep-24 07:36 AM] evov#0000 I think the start should be faster for new players. [24-Sep-24 07:37 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It already is, you just need Pro/Basic. [24-Sep-24 07:37 AM] evov#0000 MM's should be dynamic... not static. [24-Sep-24 07:37 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 That's the inventive model the devs have installed. I can only push people along it. [24-Sep-24 07:38 AM] evov#0000 Multi item contracts would be good. Like... the ability to container things. So you can ship/trade etc multiple different items. [24-Sep-24 07:38 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Starter bases should not be "instanced", rather they should be allowed via a "timer". so 90 days from account registration, you can plop down bases, at whatever planet you like, with no restrictions [24-Sep-24 07:39 AM] laaxus#0000 But why ? [24-Sep-24 07:40 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I've pointed this out in UFO, and in here.. You have plot "creep"... Starters get to only pick 1 locked-out world... And then they have to look for less viable options, out in the expanse. [24-Sep-24 07:40 AM] laaxus#0000 I agree on everything evo [24-Sep-24 07:41 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You can make it work... But with the exponential functions that determine HQ upgrade costs + linear ship build costs, with all the logistical requirements that some heavy I/O base would require, really cuts down on the expansion rates for anyone. [24-Sep-24 07:42 AM] evov#0000 Yea, plot limits feels kinda dumb. I'd get rid of those if possible. But also with the universe design... I think there needs to be better quality planets (or at least higher density resources) the further you go out. I think devs have mentioned this before, and it's just how this RNG universe got generated. [24-Sep-24 07:42 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 "terraforming" [24-Sep-24 07:42 AM] laaxus#0000 God I wished [24-Sep-24 07:43 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 That idea has been floated around UFO a few times... The devs aren't biting on it. [24-Sep-24 07:44 AM] laaxus#0000 The issue with no plot limit is that there isn't a reason to have 2 diffรฉrent planet with the same cogx [24-Sep-24 07:44 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I mean, when your entire technical infrastructure, revolves around people getting uni degrees, in like a month, and your entire production facilities, just revolving around fancier "box" names... You're kinda limiting yourself as it, but this is just jokes at the current conventions. [24-Sep-24 07:44 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Plot limits, and COGC distributions are 2 different things. [24-Sep-24 07:45 AM] laaxus#0000 Nvm I was thinking of permit limit [24-Sep-24 07:45 AM] laaxus#0000 Mb [24-Sep-24 07:45 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Plot limits tend to force people out, after a certain population density.... COGC distributions are largely a "convention" with just tons of inertia behind them. [24-Sep-24 07:45 AM] laaxus#0000 Yes let's get rid of plot limit [24-Sep-24 07:45 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You can, for instance, refocus COGC benefits, to simply POP production benefits... [24-Sep-24 07:46 AM] evov#0000 Just due to lucky timing, I have a base on Promitor AND Deimos. I don't feel like people should be restricted from joining one or both just because they started later. [24-Sep-24 07:46 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You'd be able to blend in lots more industries, on the crowded worlds with that, than just focusing on COGC perks, which have their own logistical trains, which need to be taken care of, lest your bases stall. [24-Sep-24 07:47 AM] laaxus#0000 My dearest wish is to give an incentive for people to go horizontal, but I can't see it happening without experts being at company level [24-Sep-24 07:48 AM] evov#0000 Change the CoGC so the benefit is lower, and make it a gov based festivity... could make things more interesting on planets. Allow 6 or 7 experts to balance it. [24-Sep-24 07:48 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Plz no. [24-Sep-24 07:48 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The festivities are an "active" tool for POPR management. [24-Sep-24 07:49 AM] laaxus#0000 I honestly dislike cogc What do they bring ? [24-Sep-24 07:49 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You only get 1 per week, with the current interface. If we'd have to run COGC programs, via the LR, potentially lots of places would get depreciated, in terms of POPR longetivity, for the higher tiers. [24-Sep-24 07:49 AM] evov#0000 They make 1 planet distinct from another... but yeah.. I tend to think they'd be better off if they're reduced in strength a lot. [24-Sep-24 07:50 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 That's just the player determined COGC conventions... In truth, even on say Avalon, there's like 30-50 bases that are running non-FP/FER/INV processes on there. [24-Sep-24 07:50 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Just because it's an MCG planet. [24-Sep-24 07:52 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Base activity summaries, under say the COGC buffer would be nice... Who's doing what industry... Now that I mentioned it. [24-Sep-24 07:52 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Without such a summary, I have to click 400 PLI buffers, and tally them all up, just to know who's doing what, at any given instance. [24-Sep-24 07:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 FIO is a community API, right [24-Sep-24 07:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Can anybody use it? [24-Sep-24 07:53 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 it is [24-Sep-24 07:54 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 yes [24-Sep-24 07:54 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 just register for a free account.... [24-Sep-24 07:54 AM] laaxus#0000 What if cogc was Dynamic to what kind of industry is on the planet ? [24-Sep-24 07:55 AM] pxlfox.#0000 There was something about โ€ždonโ€™t use external tools to automate stuffโ€œ in the rulesโ€ฆ this is not included by that, I assume? [24-Sep-24 07:55 AM] laaxus#0000 You can't automate in game [24-Sep-24 07:55 AM] evov#0000 I could be wrong, but I think if you want to get the FIO CX prices and use them in a spreadsheet to work out your own stuff.... it's something like this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288121680262205541/image.png?ex=6814c0cc&is=68136f4c&hm=b506aad87925e0a5b41c6d8f7993cdc2932dea80dfa50f8b8684e43961d5417b& [24-Sep-24 07:55 AM] laaxus#0000 Out of game do what you want {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [24-Sep-24 07:55 AM] manhim#0000 Or what about planets that can maintain multiple COGC, but each permits allow you to use 1 at a time? [24-Sep-24 07:56 AM] laaxus#0000 Might as well remove cogc {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [24-Sep-24 07:56 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Well, the current consensus regarding COGCs will probably hold true, in the long term..... [24-Sep-24 07:57 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I would just like the devs to reinstate corp functionality, allowing either multiple corp HQs, per organization, or multiple corp membership. [24-Sep-24 07:57 AM] evov#0000 Without cogc's you'd have a lot more ON planet colaborations [24-Sep-24 07:58 AM] laaxus#0000 Ah yes planets might become vertical [24-Sep-24 07:58 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Cuz, they basically broke corps after the politics update. There is no corp accounting. Corp accounts were basically reverted to "no use" after that update... You can only have 1 corp HQ, so it's basically a nominal membership, since so many industries require more production efficiencies, after you get beyond a certain point of game progression. [24-Sep-24 08:00 AM] evov#0000 If cogc's didn't exist... I could imagine building HYF's on planet, someone else building INC... to sell C to people smelting... because the planet has some AL on it that others are already mining. [24-Sep-24 08:01 AM] evov#0000 But cogc's do exist. So 20 people mine AL here... ship it to somewhere else where it gets smelted, and everything needed gets shipped there, and shipped back to the cx etc etc. Remove them or greatly reduce their potency. [24-Sep-24 08:01 AM] laaxus#0000 Or just give a CX to every planet [24-Sep-24 08:02 AM] jvaler#0000 funny that it's selling at afab prices [24-Sep-24 08:02 AM] evov#0000 Maybe they're buying repair mats for a large group of people running money printers? {Reactions} blobmaybe [24-Sep-24 08:03 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Also A-fab printers, and ship engine printers. [24-Sep-24 08:04 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Niche mats, for niche peeps. [24-Sep-24 08:06 AM] evov#0000 I don't think the number of PP4's come anywhere near the number of SE's that are built around the place. [24-Sep-24 08:08 AM] laaxus#0000 I just wished the CX was the actual best place to sell things [24-Sep-24 08:09 AM] laaxus#0000 New Idea, what if the faction shipping contract were actually shipping player stuff, but it's subsidized because it goes to the CX ? [24-Sep-24 08:10 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 There's an idea floating around the forums, to add NPC shipper ability to HQs, wherein you can que up a number of commodity shipments, per period.. [24-Sep-24 08:10 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It still underlies the "issue" of getting more logistical capacity to your operations, on the cheap. [24-Sep-24 08:11 AM] laaxus#0000 Unrelated but I'd love a Prun foxhole like gamemode [24-Sep-24 08:12 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's called Screeps. [24-Sep-24 08:13 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's a better Prun... But your whole base can be wiped out in like a day, if you don't do coding for a living. :/ [24-Sep-24 08:13 AM] laaxus#0000 Oh, another game I'll fall into [24-Sep-24 08:15 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 There's Patrician III (a better Prun, on just pure Prun stuff)... But it was made in like 1999..... [24-Sep-24 08:16 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Should you ever play it... It'll make you think as to why the current state of Prun, is what it is. [24-Sep-24 10:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Another idea is to do the same I'am already doing, but make it bigger. Nascent (QJ-149c) is a great candidat to just extract ALO. Then I could build up more SME on Deimos and make more money just of AL. [24-Sep-24 10:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/b2b2d6cb-09b5-42e4-9b61-7902d4a6a99a {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/b2b2d6cb-09b5-42e4-9b61-7902d4a6a99a PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [24-Sep-24 10:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Just the ore alone would give me around 61.000 profit a day [24-Sep-24 10:08 AM] laaxus#0000 Just buy the ALO from avacyn [24-Sep-24 10:08 AM] pxlfox.#0000 but then again there is shipping [24-Sep-24 10:14 AM] jvaler#0000 shipping is why nascent is actually kinda mid imo. 327 ALO/d at a day-long trip distance is significant [24-Sep-24 10:14 AM] jvaler#0000 getting PP2 on nike to use your AL in would be a better investment imo [24-Sep-24 10:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 is it worth diversivy? Like for me to produce fuel, carbon, rat or so? [24-Sep-24 10:22 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Or is it better to stick to what you're already doing and build up horizontally/vertically [24-Sep-24 10:22 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I see your point... [24-Sep-24 10:22 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Lesser shipping with higher profit... [24-Sep-24 10:24 AM] laaxus#0000 Dรฉpends if you put more value on profit or stability [24-Sep-24 10:25 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I guess diversity is more stable, going vertically is more profitable? [24-Sep-24 10:25 AM] laaxus#0000 Exactly the inverse {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [24-Sep-24 10:27 AM] manhim#0000 Being diverse requires you to stay on top of more markets and exposes you to more risks, but is generally going to be more profitable. [24-Sep-24 10:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But doesn't it make you less volatile to market change? [24-Sep-24 10:27 AM] manhim#0000 Going vertical means that you own more aspects of your own supply chain, so there is less risks. [24-Sep-24 10:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 like if AL prices drop, basically all my profit atm does too [24-Sep-24 10:28 AM] manhim#0000 It's the amount of risks exposed, but each risks are more isolated from each bases basically. [24-Sep-24 10:29 AM] razenpok#0000 Producing diverse goods is safer than producing one good Producing things vertically is safer than producing things using CX for inputs [24-Sep-24 10:29 AM] razenpok#0000 That's two axes of risk-management [24-Sep-24 10:30 AM] razenpok#0000 Safe, but less profit ofc [24-Sep-24 10:32 AM] manhim#0000 Vertical integration also allows you to stockpile materials and use them when the price of those material rise, so you're more resilient to market changes. But if your end-product crashes, your whole vertical integration could collapse as well. [24-Sep-24 10:32 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Sooo... a mixture of both should be the goal? [24-Sep-24 10:32 AM] manhim#0000 Yup [24-Sep-24 10:33 AM] laaxus#0000 the only goal is to have fun [24-Sep-24 10:33 AM] manhim#0000 Just make sure to study your products well before you diversify [24-Sep-24 10:33 AM] manhim#0000 That too [24-Sep-24 10:33 AM] laaxus#0000 avacyn is pretty happy just eating rocks [24-Sep-24 10:33 AM] razenpok#0000 Go full CX or go home {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [24-Sep-24 10:33 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Yeah, but to have fun I need money and for money I need profit ... or just enough time [24-Sep-24 10:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It would be fun to dump cheap CU into the market or colonize planets. But without income, there is not much I can do about it [24-Sep-24 10:34 AM] laaxus#0000 personnally I have a mixture of base, going from the safest low profit to the riskiest [24-Sep-24 10:35 AM] jvaler#0000 if you want money get a heph BMP base :^] [24-Sep-24 10:35 AM] laaxus#0000 i would recommend just doing a FP base on norwick once he has a WCB [24-Sep-24 10:35 AM] razenpok#0000 If you want fat stacks of cash get a HAL base on Halcyon :Clueless1: [24-Sep-24 10:36 AM] laaxus#0000 PE price has fallen to 8 [24-Sep-24 10:36 AM] jvaler#0000 PE isn't the only BMP product [24-Sep-24 10:36 AM] jvaler#0000 there's always good stuff to produce [24-Sep-24 10:37 AM] manhim#0000 Heph BMP is probably going to be my next base once I max my Deimos permit. {Reactions} ๐Ÿค [24-Sep-24 10:38 AM] pxlfox.#0000 basically the same as having a ALO on Nascent, based on PrunPlanner [24-Sep-24 10:39 AM] jvaler#0000 ya :/ [24-Sep-24 10:39 AM] razenpok#0000 Ye, but people really like to buy HAL [24-Sep-24 10:39 AM] jvaler#0000 basically the story of all resource extraction [24-Sep-24 10:39 AM] razenpok#0000 I think Hal is always out of stock these days [24-Sep-24 10:41 AM] laaxus#0000 everybody want the resource material, nobody want to buy a whole ship for the shipping [24-Sep-24 10:42 AM] jvaler#0000 just shovel money into darkfuel to do it for you :P [24-Sep-24 10:42 AM] jvaler#0000 which honestly isn't too bad of a strat ngl [24-Sep-24 10:42 AM] pxlfox.#0000 HAL is definitely less supplied then AL, that's true. But I don't feel like this is the holy grail of rock cash [24-Sep-24 10:42 AM] jvaler#0000 i think i shill darkfuel too much... [24-Sep-24 10:43 AM] laaxus#0000 does he have a public channel ? [24-Sep-24 10:43 AM] laaxus#0000 or should I dm ? [24-Sep-24 10:43 AM] jvaler#0000 you just post an ad to ANT LM [24-Sep-24 10:44 AM] jvaler#0000 30k AIC gets you picked up by them [24-Sep-24 10:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 That's kinda a problem. Resource extraction is an easy industry to go into, so perfect for new players. But the shipping requirement makes it basically impossible to have more then one EXT site. [24-Sep-24 10:45 AM] laaxus#0000 30k fixed ? [24-Sep-24 10:45 AM] jvaler#0000 basically [24-Sep-24 10:45 AM] jvaler#0000 for both LCB and WCB [24-Sep-24 10:45 AM] razenpok#0000 VCB? [24-Sep-24 10:45 AM] jvaler#0000 never tried ๐Ÿง [24-Sep-24 10:48 AM] jvaler#0000 with 130 ships tho i'm sure they have a few lying around [24-Sep-24 10:49 AM] pxlfox.#0000 is EXO something people buy? [24-Sep-24 10:50 AM] jvaler#0000 i'd say so [24-Sep-24 10:50 AM] jvaler#0000 being a SET consumable it gets decent attention [24-Sep-24 10:51 AM] razenpok#0000 How does he even keep up with this amount of ships ๐Ÿ’€ [24-Sep-24 10:51 AM] laaxus#0000 no [24-Sep-24 10:51 AM] razenpok#0000 I bet it's such a chore [24-Sep-24 10:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Yeah, looking at the supply/demand and trade volume rn [24-Sep-24 10:51 AM] jvaler#0000 lots of them sit idle at the CXs waiting for ads [24-Sep-24 10:52 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm trying to sell 2.5k EXO and I just can't [24-Sep-24 10:52 AM] jvaler#0000 the ROI is atrocious, but the roleplay must be fun to them ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ [24-Sep-24 10:52 AM] laaxus#0000 I keep lowering the price [24-Sep-24 10:53 AM] jvaler#0000 yeah that'd be an issue lol it always has customers being a mid tier consumable, but it's also prone to overproduction because of it's simple recipe and how little is actually needed by SET [24-Sep-24 10:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 So as far as I see it I can either setup a ALO or HAL base, which would cap out my shipping capacity, but would make a stable amount of money - ROI of about 2 weeks. Or go with a PP2 planet on Nike and make my AL to something more valuable. [24-Sep-24 10:56 AM] laaxus#0000 maybe look for a leased base [24-Sep-24 10:56 AM] laaxus#0000 if you want a stable income [24-Sep-24 10:56 AM] razenpok#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183252933157081328/1251608803699593308 [24-Sep-24 10:56 AM] razenpok#0000 Back in my days [24-Sep-24 10:56 AM] razenpok#0000 https://tenor.com/view/old-man-grandpa-gif-14729663161359511049 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/old-man-grandpa-gif-14729663161359511049 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/xPnOSORoYZxQ2G8hS0m8UGzUsdwZYH2dMcFeFjS8ebM/https/media.tenor.com/zGpGmqn9rgkAAAAe/old-man-grandpa.png [24-Sep-24 10:56 AM] laaxus#0000 where does it go ? [24-Sep-24 10:56 AM] laaxus#0000 I have no access [24-Sep-24 10:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 what's a leased base? [24-Sep-24 10:57 AM] jvaler#0000 old AGP channel, need archive role {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [24-Sep-24 10:57 AM] razenpok#0000 Oh, hmm, @jvaler they don't have access to old messages? [24-Sep-24 10:57 AM] jvaler#0000 #reaction-roles [24-Sep-24 10:57 AM] laaxus#0000 basically, you rent one of your permit [24-Sep-24 10:58 AM] laaxus#0000 for an usual 50-55k profit per day [24-Sep-24 10:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm still not really sure what that is [24-Sep-24 10:58 AM] jvaler#0000 they provide the inputs at a static price, you sell them the output at a static price. [24-Sep-24 10:59 AM] laaxus#0000 and they usually provide the construction material needed to build the base [24-Sep-24 10:59 AM] jvaler#0000 that's how i got my start, rise had me making AL for them on deimos for ~45k/d [24-Sep-24 10:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 feels like working for others, tho [24-Sep-24 10:59 AM] laaxus#0000 it is [24-Sep-24 10:59 AM] jvaler#0000 ~~i still sell them the AL @ 600/u even though i have to source all my C, O, & ALO nowadays...~~ [24-Sep-24 10:59 AM] laaxus#0000 but it is the safest base you can get [24-Sep-24 11:00 AM] laaxus#0000 no income is safer than a leased base [24-Sep-24 11:00 AM] laaxus#0000 IDC base is a close second but you don't have a 20M on you, have you ? [24-Sep-24 11:01 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I feel like whenever I put up an idea, somebody comes by and says something like "nah, not really worth it, bro" ๐Ÿ˜… [24-Sep-24 11:01 AM] laaxus#0000 it's kinda our job to tell you why your idea suck there's no easy money in a player driven economy [24-Sep-24 11:01 AM] jvaler#0000 there *are* payment plans available for that... lmao https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1231168997345460286/1231168997345460286 [24-Sep-24 11:01 AM] laaxus#0000 just trade off [24-Sep-24 11:02 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm in the waiting queue ! (sorry I need stable income to invest in risky bases to develop ant) [24-Sep-24 11:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 sure, not mad about it ๐Ÿ˜‚ but at the end I have to make a decision, or I'm going to sit for weeks on cash and watch my ore melting [24-Sep-24 11:02 AM] jvaler#0000 are we? your ideas work though [24-Sep-24 11:03 AM] jvaler#0000 we're just offering up alternatives to consider {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [24-Sep-24 11:03 AM] pxlfox.#0000 maybe you aren't, but feels like it. Again, not mad about it ๐Ÿ™‚ [24-Sep-24 11:03 AM] laaxus#0000 I think a good safe base with lot of profit and reasonable risk is a norwick FP base [24-Sep-24 11:04 AM] laaxus#0000 a safer base with less profit is the hepha bmp base [24-Sep-24 11:04 AM] laaxus#0000 no perfect solution, only trade offs [24-Sep-24 11:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 that's RAT, DW, COF, and so on, right? [24-Sep-24 11:05 AM] laaxus#0000 yes [24-Sep-24 11:05 AM] laaxus#0000 FIM and MEA too [24-Sep-24 11:07 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 that's really not our job. we're here to offer advise when asked and potentially use our experience to help guide people away from known obstacles to *their* goals. Whether an idea 'sucks' is entirely dependent upon a persons goals in this game and it's important to not give 'advise' as if other people's goals are the same as yours. ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ Our 'job' is to be helpful and respectful to not just grow Antares economically in game, but also as a community. [24-Sep-24 11:07 AM] laaxus#0000 sorry, I used a bad wording [24-Sep-24 11:07 AM] laaxus#0000 but you're right [24-Sep-24 11:07 AM] jvaler#0000 i was about to argue with you but holy shit FIM is popping {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288169995620188341/image.png?ex=6814edcb&is=68139c4b&hm=f4b041006c4cd2a34900c2e355898e4bf2fc226c528ea9e65f16666de81f5674& [24-Sep-24 11:08 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ๐Ÿ’š no worries, just helpin' ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [24-Sep-24 11:10 AM] laaxus#0000 yes, I've been making a solid 120K profit a day since the moment I build it 2 weeks ago [24-Sep-24 11:10 AM] laaxus#0000 140 at peak rat price [24-Sep-24 11:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 only getting 82.000 with the same setup in my planner... am I doing something wrong? [24-Sep-24 11:14 AM] laaxus#0000 experts ? [24-Sep-24 11:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 oh, but you won't get them right away, aren't you? [24-Sep-24 11:15 AM] laaxus#0000 no, but you'll get 3 in a week, the 4th second week, the 5th the third [24-Sep-24 11:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 with 5 I have the same numbers [24-Sep-24 11:16 AM] jvaler#0000 they're an eventuality, so you should always plan as if you're going to get them anyways. it's not like ur gonna demolish the base before then {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [24-Sep-24 11:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 That one looks actually quite good [24-Sep-24 11:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 RAT, COF etc are always bought [24-Sep-24 11:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I could farm my own products later on [24-Sep-24 11:27 AM] laaxus#0000 yes but you're dependant on the CX for input goods [24-Sep-24 11:28 AM] laaxus#0000 right now, the supply hold [24-Sep-24 11:28 AM] laaxus#0000 but everybody tells me that It won't last [24-Sep-24 11:28 AM] laaxus#0000 ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [24-Sep-24 11:28 AM] laaxus#0000 so be carefull [24-Sep-24 11:28 AM] laaxus#0000 most people with a fp base have a hyf base to supply it [24-Sep-24 11:28 AM] laaxus#0000 this is why I say this is more risky than bmp [24-Sep-24 11:29 AM] laaxus#0000 For example, I single handedly bought the whole supply of nut [24-Sep-24 11:29 AM] laaxus#0000 in ant [24-Sep-24 11:30 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Well, my thing with BMP is... 1 - there is nothing usefull I can do with AL there (which isn't that bad, but a bit sad), but 2 - I would constantly have to look what's on demand and plan accordingly (which isn't that bad, but having a base producing wares passively is easier for the mind) [24-Sep-24 11:30 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I see... [24-Sep-24 11:32 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Guess a BMP base is the safer bet for now. I could even start small, setup the base an a few plants to beginn with [24-Sep-24 11:32 AM] pxlfox.#0000 and expand [24-Sep-24 11:33 AM] pxlfox.#0000 well, time to research - thanks guys โค๏ธ [24-Sep-24 11:34 AM] laaxus#0000 I would agree on this decision [24-Sep-24 11:35 AM] laaxus#0000 even if my FP base goes bad, I have other bases to hold me up [24-Sep-24 11:35 AM] laaxus#0000 you don't have such securities [24-Sep-24 11:38 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Yeah, BMPs can be more active management to keep profitable, but just because of the diversity of recipe options they're pretty consistently profitable if you pay attention. Get PRUNplanner CX settings set up good and keep an eye on what the most profitable recipe is. Do a mix of the highest profit recipes, paying attention to actual traded volume. If input prices go up or output price goes down and your margin gets smaller, just switch to a different recipe. ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [24-Sep-24 12:29 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288190595403223082/Screenshot_2024-09-24-19-28-54-839_org.mozilla.firefox.jpg?ex=681500fb&is=6813af7b&hm=a0fd63310954be479d6aab39c6a7ecc1869bec1dfa13ac080aabb1aea4c5ec16& [24-Sep-24 12:29 PM] laaxus#0000 They keep putting lower price [24-Sep-24 12:29 PM] laaxus#0000 230 is close to breakeven [24-Sep-24 12:30 PM] laaxus#0000 PLEASE LET ME SELL THIS EXO [24-Sep-24 12:40 PM] laaxus#0000 I am this close to make 10k exo and sell them at break even out of spite [24-Sep-24 12:45 PM] marat_sh#0000 Oh my bad Let me under cut you again ๐Ÿ˜… /s [24-Sep-24 12:56 PM] marat_sh#0000 to be fair that's a large number of EXOs [24-Sep-24 12:56 PM] marat_sh#0000 how many do you produce per day? [24-Sep-24 12:57 PM] marat_sh#0000 daily sales at ASK is around ~200 EXOs [24-Sep-24 12:58 PM] marat_sh#0000 Sorry But I am not going to wait 12+ days for you to sell your order before I can sell mine [24-Sep-24 12:58 PM] marat_sh#0000 I produce ~100 EXO per day which is in the constrains of daily sales [24-Sep-24 12:58 PM] marat_sh#0000 plus it leaves some room for other people to sell as well [24-Sep-24 12:58 PM] laaxus#0000 none, I produced it that time when the price was 284 [24-Sep-24 12:59 PM] laaxus#0000 anyway, I'm not moving it anymore [24-Sep-24 12:59 PM] laaxus#0000 feel free to go lower [24-Sep-24 12:59 PM] marat_sh#0000 you weren't selling it then? [24-Sep-24 12:59 PM] laaxus#0000 I did [24-Sep-24 12:59 PM] marat_sh#0000 were you producing more then 200 per day? [24-Sep-24 01:00 PM] laaxus#0000 no, i just put it at 270 I believe, didn't pay attention to it, and saw that I had like 500k worth of exo sitting 3 days ago [24-Sep-24 01:01 PM] igfloz#0000 This keeps me comfortably selling internally. I too thought what a good investment EXO was to produce, but quickly reduced my production when my stock started climbing {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288198665277542480/image.png?ex=6815087f&is=6813b6ff&hm=fb33f4ccf9b0f180bb45e39ca4119e817c1687b25acb7886c288afce64036d7e& [24-Sep-24 01:02 PM] marat_sh#0000 Demand is not there for how much we all produce [24-Sep-24 01:02 PM] marat_sh#0000 so we get price competition -> drop of the price [24-Sep-24 01:03 PM] marat_sh#0000 You can sell that 2.5k but it will take a while + if we are not going to cover all dailies [24-Sep-24 01:03 PM] marat_sh#0000 in that case you never going to sell [24-Sep-24 01:03 PM] marat_sh#0000 unless there is a bulk trader [24-Sep-24 01:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 How are EXO prices at the other CXs? [24-Sep-24 01:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288199482458243194/image.png?ex=68150942&is=6813b7c2&hm=dd947566d92e1d0641a798a28ad0e86bb5c9e2dd0ead591269237cbb88dd45da& [24-Sep-24 01:04 PM] laaxus#0000 about the same except at moria [24-Sep-24 01:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 I have a few strategies I use. One is trucking it to the other CXs [24-Sep-24 01:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 The other is to list only small amounts at a time [24-Sep-24 01:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 People get a bit less competitive if itโ€™s only 10-100 EXO instead of 1k+ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [24-Sep-24 01:06 PM] marat_sh#0000 that's what I do. I post less then 100 EXO so other people can also sell [24-Sep-24 01:06 PM] marat_sh#0000 but if you start grabbing all of the daily sales... we see the price decrease [24-Sep-24 01:07 PM] marat_sh#0000 same thing happend to REPs [24-Sep-24 01:07 PM] marat_sh#0000 I was posting more REPs then daily sale [24-Sep-24 01:07 PM] marat_sh#0000 now it's even with other CXs [24-Sep-24 01:41 PM] jcheung#0000 Yeah... started a MEA base... suspect i might have to dip into producing FIM too [24-Sep-24 02:55 PM] getonthetrain#0000 I'll buy 400 at the 206 bid match if you want to free up this trapped capital [24-Sep-24 02:57 PM] marat_sh#0000 at 210/u you lose money ๐Ÿ˜… [24-Sep-24 02:58 PM] getonthetrain#0000 opportunity costs with that money trapped in EXO [24-Sep-24 02:58 PM] getonthetrain#0000 giving an out with little loss, to make up in another way with that capital [24-Sep-24 02:58 PM] marat_sh#0000 I mean, I am sure he has some cash. Plus it doesn't cost anything to just hold on to it [24-Sep-24 03:53 PM] razenpok#0000 @evov they did it again *again* {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288241925081796680/image.png?ex=68148809&is=68133689&hm=17021714f9eb37aa6d1dc7683a1fe362e07752fe9d98727843b15848c7878102& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฑ (2) [24-Sep-24 04:11 PM] razenpok#0000 Going to import from the other CXs to ANT [24-Sep-24 04:11 PM] razenpok#0000 I really don't like it. It doesn't look like a stable demand, while it drives up the trade volume [24-Sep-24 04:18 PM] archielvahr#0000 I have a bunch layin' around. Looks like someone bought 238, which doesn't really go that far. Probably someone just making a base {Reactions} ๐Ÿค [24-Sep-24 04:19 PM] archielvahr#0000 we'll see if the buy more ๐Ÿ˜„ [24-Sep-24 07:45 PM] tanda#0000 hmm [24-Sep-24 08:20 PM] tanda#0000 if you're super looking to get into CU @pxlfox. (and you've brought it up a lot), you need partners to pull this off at this stage [24-Sep-24 08:22 PM] tanda#0000 the real question would be what you want to do with it, and maybe find a way to do that somewhere out there so you're not shipping 5k a week tonnage back in [24-Sep-24 08:29 PM] jcheung#0000 I think CU might be a mass-add on refinement [24-Sep-24 08:29 PM] jcheung#0000 Can't check right now [24-Sep-24 08:29 PM] jcheung#0000 So bringing the ore close to consumer (cx in their case) is probably wise [24-Sep-24 08:30 PM] tanda#0000 eh, no you're right [24-Sep-24 08:30 PM] tanda#0000 because CU is incredibly oxygen heavy [24-Sep-24 08:32 PM] jcheung#0000 Now there might be some better places to refine it [24-Sep-24 08:32 PM] jcheung#0000 Than deimos [24-Sep-24 08:32 PM] jcheung#0000 But probably not many [24-Sep-24 08:33 PM] tanda#0000 right next to an oxygen tap or a CX are your options I think [24-Sep-24 08:33 PM] jcheung#0000 Yeah. Or next to someone who consumes it [24-Sep-24 08:35 PM] jcheung#0000 Hmmm. I wonder if there's any O sources near the CUO [24-Sep-24 08:35 PM] jcheung#0000 Since overall mass is reduced [24-Sep-24 08:37 PM] tanda#0000 KI-446b and KI-840c Look like the best nearby match [25-Sep-24 01:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Yeah, someday, I will setup a low profit CU operation where I just flood the galaxy with cheap CU - not not make any profit, but just to prove a point [25-Sep-24 03:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Is there any reason not to start productions with settlers, other then the higher supply costs? [25-Sep-24 04:25 AM] evov#0000 Depends on the planet. Sometimes higher teir pops aren't present in high numbers on a planet, so you have to wait for pop to fill. This is unlikely to be the case for setlers, but something to keep in mind when going up the worker tiers. [25-Sep-24 04:26 AM] evov#0000 Usually... Settler tier buildings are more expensive, so build cost and repair costs typically go up along with worker tier (roughly) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [25-Sep-24 04:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Moving the discussion from #agp-operations to here, so we keep the chats clean ๐Ÿ˜› I feel like PP is a good Indicator if something might be profitable or not. What would I need to check to be sure, tho. Definitely trade volume and logistics. But if PP says this base will put out roughly 40.000 a day I feel like it probably will, wonโ€™t it? [25-Sep-24 04:50 AM] kynadre#0000 It's very easy to overrely on that rough estimate especially if it's assuming everything at the long-term buy/sell values and not the immediate ones [25-Sep-24 04:51 AM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288437677103775765/underpantsgnome.jpg?ex=68149598&is=68134418&hm=20e6a47164870bcfce9a782ac66d9388c86f9ce09848c17170887cbad1d33cb7& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (3) [25-Sep-24 04:53 AM] evov#0000 PP's an awesome tool. It handles a lot of things. But, like most tools, it can be misused. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [25-Sep-24 05:13 AM] kynadre#0000 *can't sleep for other reasons but bouncing up and down waiting for the market haul home to max out the base* [25-Sep-24 05:26 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'd just like to point out, that the Prunner | Prunplanner software(s) were intended to simply base design | planning for people, as they basically do the same matrix multiplication that any spreadsheet does [i.e. lots of concurrent calculations that transpose production ratios, and material stats, into something human readable]. Market activity/reality, however is driven by player choice and preference. While you might have strong correlations, regarding PP metrics, at any given point, those metrics are just underlined with assumptions, and may not represent any tangible reality, into the long-term. [25-Sep-24 05:31 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 But the general maths of how Prun works, is that you pick something to do, and then do it in the long term. Your invariable colony costs (HABs, STOs) eventually fully depreciate over 6 months. You'll usually get max experts, on whatever you do on a base, within 45 to 180 days. You'll soon be able to pitch in BID orders for all of your weekly production inputs + consumables + repair mats, and should sales turnover be whimsical on the ASK orders at any CX, you can always ask around to see who would be willing to purchase whatever you make, at any given price point (provided you have done your homework, and maintain at least a BASIC license). {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [25-Sep-24 05:33 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Do all of that, and you'll probably be fairly insulated from whatever the market throws at you. Of course, should you deem it necessary to just deconstruct that permit due to "market forces", you'll just be losing all of that long-term infrastructure, and experts, and you might regret such a decision, when the next month rolls around. {Reactions} this [25-Sep-24 05:43 AM] kynadre#0000 learning to read trends, esp. over the last 30, 60, 90 days, daily trades volume, volumes already (over)stuffed on market, seeing the production chains to see how much it's actually used, [25-Sep-24 05:45 AM] kynadre#0000 and of course, how much it's going to require your ships to be moving every day... [25-Sep-24 05:55 AM] evov#0000 Again, I'm not intending to shit on PP as a tool, because it can be great. The issue is the false confidence it inspires in people. So a few points people need to... more strongly consider. 1. Shipping costs. When you look at the roi number or the profits etc, none of it mentions shipping. It does an AWESOME job of working out the daily volume/mass requirement, even if I don't really agree with the way it's calculated. But people rarely consider how that translates into the ongoing cost of shipping, or the captial expense (what % of a ship will this base soak up) 2. Pricing - There's a lot of different pricing methods. They all have pro's and cons (the pros and cons of the different methods could be an entire discussion on its own). Understand that there are different options, they will yield different results, and for the love of god stop looking at a base planner using one specific set of pricing models and think it somehow represents with certainty the ground truth of the matter. [25-Sep-24 06:00 AM] evov#0000 The things it does really well ( I use it for this most of the time ) Base planning - Playing around with building counts, mixing between HB1/2 etc and the split HABs HBC etc. It's awesome for that. I did build that functionality into a spreadsheet before PP was a thing.... I discontinued that part of my sheets once PP came out. Once you've got a base built/planned/modeled - It does a really good job of material flows. Seeing how much AL / H2O etc you're consuming and using across multiple buildings using different recipies. I think this element is great and can be helpful for scaling bases when setting up multi base projects. ( For very large / complicated projects, I'd still use custom sheets however. But for 2 or 3 base setups, pp works great ) The planet search is a really nice tool. New to me, but I'd give it a thumbs up. Still - people need to consider the jumps/distance and how that will affect shipping requirements when using this tool. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [25-Sep-24 06:01 AM] evov#0000 Oh, also the list of materials needed when building a new planned base, that works great also. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [25-Sep-24 06:01 AM] laaxus#0000 The best feature of prunplanner is the CX settings imo [25-Sep-24 06:02 AM] evov#0000 Disagree. [25-Sep-24 06:03 AM] kynadre#0000 re: values I think the best way to use those is 1) is this already flagged as a loss production if you were to buy at insta-buy and sell at insta-sell? 2) if not, what are your investment costs that eat into your revenues? If your revenues are REALLY high compared to "profit", consider this item a PITA item 3) if that isn't bad, look at the estimated hauling m3/t per day 4) if that isn't bad, actually look at the market to see supply/demand, trends over 60 days, current listings & how many of those are super-stuffed you can ignore, etc. Basically, it helps you see what you want to research further in game. But most importantly it helps you see red flags if you know where to look [25-Sep-24 06:08 AM] evov#0000 One of the things you'll eventually run into as you move into higher tier production.... often the CX data isn't great. The volume of trades is low and out-dated. Over-reliance on whatever PP shows, means people are less inclined to actually check the data they're using... where's it comming from, is it dependable/up to date. For making rats and low tier, market saturated items... it's probably fine (mostly). It's just really important to know where you're getting the numbers from, and why. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [25-Sep-24 06:09 AM] jvaler#0000 i don't think people making high tier items are blindly relying on prunplanner... [25-Sep-24 06:09 AM] evov#0000 The numbers for things are also very... black boxy. I can't easily see what prices/what allowances are made. [25-Sep-24 06:10 AM] jvaler#0000 how so? [25-Sep-24 06:10 AM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288457709791871087/image.png?ex=6814a840&is=681356c0&hm=f8b251567cb6006130d1c977d75b44b963f44367ecc56800ae76b38bb3de50d2& [25-Sep-24 06:11 AM] jvaler#0000 ask is ask, bid is bid... what is being hidden? [25-Sep-24 06:11 AM] evov#0000 Which number it's using. [25-Sep-24 06:11 AM] jvaler#0000 it uses whatever you set it to [25-Sep-24 06:11 AM] laaxus#0000 You set it yourself ? [25-Sep-24 06:12 AM] evov#0000 And if, for reasons above, you have different settings for each base? [25-Sep-24 06:12 AM] evov#0000 Or you set custom input prices for things you make yourself or buy from someone. [25-Sep-24 06:12 AM] jvaler#0000 then you still chose those settings yourself. not a black box [25-Sep-24 06:13 AM] evov#0000 You end up with a growing list of critical numbers that are not shown when you're looking at it. And... when people link a base, there's no way to see what numbers they're using. [25-Sep-24 06:13 AM] jvaler#0000 yeah sharing a plan doesn't share any of their cx settings, which sucks [25-Sep-24 06:14 AM] evov#0000 Small ui changes to it would help solve those things, for sure. [25-Sep-24 06:15 AM] laaxus#0000 I don't disagree [25-Sep-24 06:16 AM] jvaler#0000 still, calling it a black box isn't correct [25-Sep-24 06:16 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Man, there are so many questions I have ๐Ÿ™ˆ but I have to start to write this discussions down [25-Sep-24 06:17 AM] evov#0000 Me, looking at someone else linking their thing... it is. [25-Sep-24 06:17 AM] jvaler#0000 when you open a shared plan you get no pricing information, it assumes nothing. you either ask the person who shared it what their settings are, or use your own [25-Sep-24 06:20 AM] evov#0000 e.g. - Deciding what to make with a smelter - The process to check or verify what price is being assumed for the inputs or the outputs can be a pretty slow process. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288460095281299508/image.png?ex=6814aa79&is=681358f9&hm=e14622e878fffd6f2eef7afd30ff73acedffcdebde6dc0f7b1c65f2c463841ca& [25-Sep-24 06:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I always thought it takes the prices from the CX you configured.. [25-Sep-24 06:22 AM] laaxus#0000 It does [25-Sep-24 06:22 AM] kynadre#0000 when you're looking at someone else's that they linked, they mean specifically [25-Sep-24 06:22 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Does it take the current price, or some average value? [25-Sep-24 06:22 AM] kynadre#0000 so if they're like, evaluating my plan in AGP [25-Sep-24 06:23 AM] evov#0000 You choose the pricing model you want. [25-Sep-24 06:23 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Ah, so thatโ€™s an option? [25-Sep-24 06:23 AM] evov#0000 And can change that model, per item, per base. [25-Sep-24 06:24 AM] evov#0000 You can set fixed prices for items, either at the base level or the empire level [25-Sep-24 06:24 AM] pxlfox.#0000 This I already found and used [25-Sep-24 06:25 AM] evov#0000 Yea, I think having that info in the foreground is what's needed whenever trying to link something or convince someone of numbers based stuff. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [25-Sep-24 06:30 AM] evov#0000 Just as an exercise, how would you use PP as a tool to work out how much you think you should be charging for something? Is the item in question over priced or under priced on the cx? [25-Sep-24 06:34 AM] laaxus#0000 I look at roi if the base cost <2m, profit/d else [25-Sep-24 06:35 AM] laaxus#0000 Using ask-ask price [25-Sep-24 06:36 AM] evov#0000 Most people in here have smelting bases I think, so I'll try to keep it relevant to that. Say I want to buy CF off you. I'll buy all you can make, what price will you sell it to me for? [25-Sep-24 06:37 AM] laaxus#0000 Depends If my base is already built, I want the same roi as the best recipe (maybe lower if that's a long term thing) If you ask me to build the base from scratch, I'm expecting the roi of another good base [25-Sep-24 06:38 AM] laaxus#0000 Tho it's a bit harder to know if a recipe is over profitable, or under profitable [25-Sep-24 06:38 AM] laaxus#0000 As Price only have meaning in relation to another [25-Sep-24 06:38 AM] evov#0000 Its not even hypothetical, I use plenty of CF, if the price is right I will buy heaps, I just need you to give me your price. [25-Sep-24 06:39 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Mmm. I'd prefer to leave the overall decision of "how much should I charge for this", up to a given player, since most could have a variety of operational decisions to take, regarding what they make. But looking at Prunplanners screen overview... Once you've setup your Input price flows... You then just take your daily Costs + Depreciation, and divide them, with your daily unit outputs. (you can do a weighted cut, if your base is a mixed-output setup). That'll get you with approximate break evens, for you to make your decision on. [25-Sep-24 06:39 AM] laaxus#0000 I Can tell you that in 30-45 min once I'm home [25-Sep-24 07:54 AM] archielvahr#0000 I think it's not that I don't know what CX setting prunplanner is pulling, it's that I don't know if it's reasonable. Like I just made a planet to smelt LIO into LI. You can set it to ANT CX BID or ANT CX ASK or PP30_Universe (my preference). But as EvoV said you have to understand that _none_ of those numbers might really make sense. And a lot of times they can fluctuate wildly. Some people pick one and decide it's an authoritative and actual representation of their product's value, when it's really just a very wiggly number. Turns out LI at 1800 vs 1600 ends up being very different for my base's profitability. And it traded at both those numbers in the last 24 hours: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288483673607241778/image.png?ex=6814c06e&is=68136eee&hm=ff6b8573ab5370d9b4eabf71b6f779b2605a4961fdbe24afefcb659bec9913ed& [25-Sep-24 07:56 AM] archielvahr#0000 So when you set it your CX settings, sure you can remember what they are, but you don't know the current price it's using. And you can't actually see that number on this page: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288484154979258469/image.png?ex=6814c0e1&is=68136f61&hm=d49ac849e11ce5a5c27fa19c90fdd156b3a1e36cc2a502b892f6e5f8f6ff1131& [25-Sep-24 07:56 AM] archielvahr#0000 So you can drill down and click on Cost of Goods Manufactured... And it also doesn't show it here: [25-Sep-24 07:56 AM] archielvahr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288484354326138944/image.png?ex=6814c110&is=68136f90&hm=571270a3a5fad2b38f464195975d7dff04888cb6d62ab1786991c3d8e3dfe228& [25-Sep-24 07:57 AM] archielvahr#0000 Someone suggested you look here for it: [25-Sep-24 07:57 AM] archielvahr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288484545657700443/image.png?ex=6814c13e&is=68136fbe&hm=298c859adfce953823954c9275728701ac34c9d253f0c9c19e5758f0233aaf5d& [25-Sep-24 07:57 AM] archielvahr#0000 So you have to set it and mouse over it there [25-Sep-24 07:58 AM] archielvahr#0000 but prunplanner is reporting 194.55 LI per day at $486363.. which is $2500 per LIO. Which isn't ANY of those numbers in the chart [25-Sep-24 07:58 AM] archielvahr#0000 So all y'all think you know how prunplanner works [25-Sep-24 07:58 AM] archielvahr#0000 Except Evo, who knows he doesn't know how it works ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Sep-24 07:59 AM] evov#0000 I know I use it for some things, but don't count on it for others ๐Ÿ™‚ [25-Sep-24 07:59 AM] evov#0000 Explains it best for me. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288484995589083217/image.png?ex=6814c1a9&is=68137029&hm=5b306562f6019b8270bc8fc498e64928199bcfbaf52c5a70ab2a9a03711f4f67& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [25-Sep-24 07:59 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288485087389814867/image0.jpg?ex=6814c1bf&is=6813703f&hm=abc124468961ca6604f4948ae57da0cee6a36f1765136e6bc642d97d387ea7ea& [25-Sep-24 08:02 AM] laaxus#0000 Btw why is this bar green [25-Sep-24 08:02 AM] laaxus#0000 It should be red because Price decreased ? [25-Sep-24 08:02 AM] laaxus#0000 Wth [25-Sep-24 08:04 AM] sidepipe#0000 This is why I decide on all my bases by tarot now ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Sep-24 08:04 AM] laaxus#0000 The tarrot tells you that a HEX rig base is the future [25-Sep-24 08:05 AM] sidepipe#0000 ooh, 98M profit per day! what could possibly go wrong? ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Sep-24 08:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 In other words: you donโ€™t know how much money you gonna make, until you actually made it [25-Sep-24 08:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Everything else is just guessing [25-Sep-24 08:08 AM] laaxus#0000 I like prunplanner using ask-bid, because it shows much money you would make right now [25-Sep-24 08:08 AM] evov#0000 Any time I make money, I just go spend it on silly shit. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288487244671225887/evovcx.jpg?ex=6814c3c2&is=68137242&hm=8513ae4709cf606a9a941e6a90c5e4c9ad1e71012c1a8fbbe53177c964a655cc& [25-Sep-24 08:09 AM] marat_sh#0000 That's the thing that bothers me with Prunplaner that you can always just open and take a look how much money does a person make. I don't know how it works IRL but I don't think companies just have COGMs of other companies [25-Sep-24 08:09 AM] evov#0000 How do you look at how much someone else makes? [25-Sep-24 08:10 AM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288487804585775167/image.png?ex=6814c447&is=681372c7&hm=82d26f59e01c9648c89b8332d237babafcc6d24df1512914d56094d84e55479b& [25-Sep-24 08:10 AM] marat_sh#0000 divide by 7 and you get daily production [25-Sep-24 08:10 AM] marat_sh#0000 put that in the prunplaner and you get your numbers [25-Sep-24 08:11 AM] evov#0000 I thought you meant you could look at other people's prun planner empire things. [25-Sep-24 08:11 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But you donโ€™t need PP for that, do you? [25-Sep-24 08:11 AM] marat_sh#0000 no, I mean you can just reverse engineer it [25-Sep-24 08:11 AM] pxlfox.#0000 You could just look up the CX price and calculate with that [25-Sep-24 08:11 AM] marat_sh#0000 ^ also [25-Sep-24 08:12 AM] evov#0000 You also don't know what pricepoint the things are being sold at (or valued at if it's part of a longer chain) [25-Sep-24 08:12 AM] marat_sh#0000 it matter more for people who don't do vertical integration [25-Sep-24 08:13 AM] marat_sh#0000 like lets say I want to sell DCM but there is no BIDs [25-Sep-24 08:13 AM] marat_sh#0000 how do I value my DCM? [25-Sep-24 08:13 AM] marat_sh#0000 COGM + 10%? [25-Sep-24 08:13 AM] evov#0000 I use 3 different methods/models to get values. [25-Sep-24 08:13 AM] evov#0000 Depends what the purpose for it is really [25-Sep-24 08:14 AM] sidepipe#0000 COGM + x% or the last ask, whichever is greater ๐Ÿ™‚ [25-Sep-24 08:14 AM] marat_sh#0000 but would be the same amount of sales as COGM + 1$ ? [25-Sep-24 08:15 AM] marat_sh#0000 or selling goods at cost to make at the begining to get people hooked [25-Sep-24 08:15 AM] sidepipe#0000 no, but no one has good tools to guess price elasticity [25-Sep-24 08:15 AM] sidepipe#0000 you just gotta go for it and see what happens [25-Sep-24 08:15 AM] razenpok#0000 There are irl tools for that, but they cost a literal fortune {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288489078022471731/Supply_Chain.png?ex=6814c577&is=681373f7&hm=d86f798f94e4a504b9cd250bd9efbf562a3f42323078bcba1801c5ab7dacfcdd& {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [25-Sep-24 08:16 AM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288489235707592764/image.png?ex=6814c59c&is=6813741c&hm=ed4a42c24f8ceeeb09716f79906340c1dbada4de47fabe0e4ddc4d6d76314500& [25-Sep-24 08:16 AM] evov#0000 One of my more recent models I made to help get ship pricing sorted works well for that sort of elastic pricing where there's limited info on nearby items on the CX. (which is needed when dealing with things were lots of the inputs aren't on the cx) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ [25-Sep-24 08:17 AM] manhim#0000 Pretty sure you can get that info from their statements/reports since it's a publicly traded company [25-Sep-24 08:18 AM] razenpok#0000 That, ye. Bloomberg Terminal is just a tool that aggregates data from lots of those [25-Sep-24 08:18 AM] razenpok#0000 And you can traverse the graph [25-Sep-24 08:18 AM] manhim#0000 Yeah, that terminal is quite an advantage when trading [25-Sep-24 08:19 AM] evov#0000 My (UPI) model takes CX prices as inputs only for raw goods (extracted stuff like ALO/H2O etc) base consumables+repairs. Everything else is derived from those numbers. [25-Sep-24 08:19 AM] razenpok#0000 I think it's more about investment and fundamental analysis [25-Sep-24 08:19 AM] razenpok#0000 Idk, I don't have that much money to invest [25-Sep-24 08:23 AM] evov#0000 Example ( Just showing prefabs in this case, but all materials in the game are handled) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288490968047161427/image.png?ex=6814c739&is=681375b9&hm=967fc3ac0c115ec5f0d54aa02ec9077a2741b7d13fd88de83c9d475c0a2c1af9& [25-Sep-24 08:23 AM] jvaler#0000 ... wth [25-Sep-24 08:26 AM] evov#0000 Before anyone highlights the RoI numbers looking funny - they include 90days of consumables and associated ship capital costs. [25-Sep-24 08:26 AM] archielvahr#0000 In this case there is a price override set for the material. But the fact it doesnโ€™t really show that anywhere you are making decisions is important to know. [25-Sep-24 08:28 AM] jvaler#0000 oh ๐Ÿ˜’ well [25-Sep-24 08:29 AM] archielvahr#0000 Yeaaah but itโ€™s no worse than some other whacky cx number [25-Sep-24 08:29 AM] jvaler#0000 i suppose [25-Sep-24 08:30 AM] laaxus#0000 6100/u at current AL price, 5700/u if AL price goes back to 720/u, 2100/u if you supply me the AL for for free (290 AL a day for 58 CF a day) [25-Sep-24 08:31 AM] evov#0000 ./shrug I don't know what AL prices will do. [25-Sep-24 08:32 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm just saying that I can't give you CF at 5700 right now, it would way too unprofitable [25-Sep-24 08:33 AM] evov#0000 So if I give you the AL, you'll sell the CF to me at 2100/u? [25-Sep-24 08:33 AM] evov#0000 That removes the AL risk for you yeah? [25-Sep-24 08:33 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah, that's basically it [25-Sep-24 08:33 AM] evov#0000 Done. I'll draw up the conts if you want. [25-Sep-24 08:34 AM] laaxus#0000 let me just smelt the input materials I have stocked, then I'll turn my SME base into full CF [25-Sep-24 08:35 AM] laaxus#0000 I would appreciate that, thank yoy [25-Sep-24 08:35 AM] evov#0000 Before I bankrupt you, you do understand that CF uses SI right? [25-Sep-24 08:35 AM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288494106158563398/image.png?ex=6814ca25&is=681378a5&hm=f56e351a481be6d0bb2e5310ed1d09ae94f90996442ce8c35761190176a7ec31& [25-Sep-24 08:35 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288494132444004413/image.png?ex=6814ca2c&is=681378ac&hm=6413dcd1b41819c5985eac7048f357a89b4e0539fefdc7f5242b2789b3566e5a& [25-Sep-24 08:36 AM] laaxus#0000 and I think there's enough sio {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288494363378188299/image.png?ex=6814ca63&is=681378e3&hm=0c80d1f469fe3856fd27ff1a5693864c8cd8f75d07a2e4b5ce490b14fbf3a722& [25-Sep-24 08:37 AM] laaxus#0000 do you think I am miscalculating something? [25-Sep-24 08:37 AM] evov#0000 Ok, as long as I know you're going into it with open eyes. I don't really want to take advantage of anyone. [25-Sep-24 08:37 AM] evov#0000 I think I'm getting a very good deal, yes. [25-Sep-24 08:37 AM] marat_sh#0000 COGM for SI is ~1.1k Laaxus just puts the margin of Si into CF [25-Sep-24 08:38 AM] marat_sh#0000 If he can't sell Si as it is, it might be better to sell Si in form of CF in bulk to you [25-Sep-24 08:39 AM] laaxus#0000 I think I am also getting a good deal out of this [25-Sep-24 08:39 AM] laaxus#0000 not the very best, but like a 8 or 8.5/10 deal [25-Sep-24 08:39 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ......... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288495210225074287/Screenshot_from_2024-09-25_08-39-39.png?ex=6814cb2d&is=681379ad&hm=67611577a5f62b90a927ecec79c94a68d55eb3911202ad241c832fc0117d483b& [25-Sep-24 08:40 AM] marat_sh#0000 It's a good deal if nobody is constraint to have it as permanent thing {Reactions} โœ… [25-Sep-24 08:40 AM] marat_sh#0000 The horrors [25-Sep-24 08:40 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 What is this... Like the 5th water shock I've so far seen, in game? [25-Sep-24 08:41 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm looking at the Supply/Demand and Traded Volume graphs in PP and just want to be sure I understand them correctly. The bar in the S/D graph drops into negativee - so there is a higher demand then a supply, right? But also, there is like no traded volume - do I interpret that right? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288495493332340830/image.png?ex=6814cb70&is=681379f0&hm=4becc168c3bc8aea54270a6d3066e587c4e4c316ab267048c9a2ebf31d09cdd4& [25-Sep-24 08:41 AM] pxlfox.#0000 So people produce there KV themself... or don't trade it on the CX? [25-Sep-24 08:42 AM] laaxus#0000 yes, people produce kv themselve [25-Sep-24 08:42 AM] laaxus#0000 because kv has an enormous spread [25-Sep-24 08:42 AM] laaxus#0000 and by producing themselve, they earn that spread [25-Sep-24 08:43 AM] marat_sh#0000 too many vertical players and not enough wide players [25-Sep-24 08:45 AM] marat_sh#0000 Don't worry people I will be your wide player [25-Sep-24 08:45 AM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/too-big-for-the-door-killjoy-valorant-i-cant-pass-through-the-door-im-too-fat-for-the-door-gif-26028555 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/too-big-for-the-door-killjoy-valorant-i-cant-pass-through-the-door-im-too-fat-for-the-door-gif-26028555 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Q3vGRmIreQ-HeFU40WBHgzjBvBjnmmVv6Z_DG2tMPRM/https/media.tenor.com/_iEoec4a1VYAAAAe/too-big-for-the-door-killjoy.png [25-Sep-24 08:46 AM] pxlfox.#0000 but as far as I see there is money to get there - I would probably have to sell to the ask price, right? [25-Sep-24 08:46 AM] marat_sh#0000 There is 100% money in KV and NL [25-Sep-24 08:47 AM] marat_sh#0000 you just make it more appealing then making it yourself [25-Sep-24 08:47 AM] marat_sh#0000 If you drop the price too much people would just buy bulk from you [25-Sep-24 08:47 AM] marat_sh#0000 it's a good thing and a bad thing [25-Sep-24 08:48 AM] sidepipe#0000 I buy NL ๐Ÿ™‚ [25-Sep-24 08:48 AM] marat_sh#0000 Start with like 1-2 WPLs and see how KV moves [25-Sep-24 08:48 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I can't afford to build more then that atm anyways xD [25-Sep-24 08:49 AM] marat_sh#0000 I like to build 1 or 2 buildings before I can see if items sells or not [25-Sep-24 08:49 AM] marat_sh#0000 not invest into a whole base [25-Sep-24 08:49 AM] evov#0000 NL and KV will 100% sell (price depending naturally) [25-Sep-24 08:50 AM] marat_sh#0000 both of them needed in sizable quantities so self producing takes time [25-Sep-24 08:50 AM] marat_sh#0000 time that people would rather not wait [25-Sep-24 08:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 This feels like a good step, tbh. Would setup on Hephestus, right by the CX [25-Sep-24 08:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 ROI looks good [25-Sep-24 08:50 AM] marat_sh#0000 not really [25-Sep-24 08:50 AM] marat_sh#0000 WPL takes a lot a space [25-Sep-24 08:50 AM] marat_sh#0000 you might want to build on the planet with expansive materials since it would take less of them [25-Sep-24 08:51 AM] marat_sh#0000 Antares I - Astraeus is a great WPL base [25-Sep-24 08:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 another factor I wasn't aware of ๐Ÿ‘€ [25-Sep-24 08:53 AM] marat_sh#0000 on heph you want to build what 'has large import/export' or 'buildings that take little space' [25-Sep-24 08:53 AM] marat_sh#0000 so for heph BMP -> PPF [25-Sep-24 08:54 AM] marat_sh#0000 later you can build expancive buildings there like shipbuilding stuff [25-Sep-24 08:54 AM] marat_sh#0000 but it's for very late game [25-Sep-24 08:55 AM] pxlfox.#0000 well, time to shop then I guess [25-Sep-24 09:47 AM] laaxus#0000 @sidepipe please explain to me why you needed ONE (1) rep I genuinly want to understand [25-Sep-24 09:47 AM] sidepipe#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288512263707164722/image.png?ex=6814db0f&is=6813898f&hm=5a0985703314375bb777e4baf5dfee5de0d739d0778201664671a53cb6412809& [25-Sep-24 09:47 AM] sidepipe#0000 going back to 10 days worth of supply ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Sep-24 09:48 AM] sidepipe#0000 i do need to stock up again at ANT. just being lazy and resupplying with Action packages between meetings ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Sep-24 09:50 AM] laaxus#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Sep-24 09:50 AM] laaxus#0000 ok thanks [25-Sep-24 11:55 AM] kynadre#0000 I literally just set up a base for this so let me get back to you ๐Ÿ™‚ And I was a good girl and made sure I had enough cash for 10 days of production inputs before also buying the base upgrades [25-Sep-24 11:57 AM] kynadre#0000 @laaxus nice, and love that AL works as the most cost-effective smelt for SI, too. CF producers unite! [25-Sep-24 11:58 AM] kynadre#0000 my base will put out 16/d at first while I work out my cash buffers for keeping my ships hauling the heavy stuff, so hopefully eventually I can be importing my ALO rather than extracting [25-Sep-24 12:40 PM] kynadre#0000 Since I'm trying to understand and learn more (of course...), I have a question about the screen setups. In some cases multiple sections resize together, and in others they don't... with screenshots with lines it'll make more sense... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288555759516254208/image.png?ex=68150391&is=6813b211&hm=35fedb02f99ec6d15df581fd9deedf3abd65b4cc15320c00328f228525d26a30& [25-Sep-24 12:41 PM] igfloz#0000 You can drag (resize) each buffer horizontally and vertically to make them match up. I normally start by creating a new screen and then quartering it [25-Sep-24 12:42 PM] kynadre#0000 So, with the red lines, if I raise one of the two sections up or down, both raise up or down together. The yellow lines aren't affected by how the red lines move. Similarly, the yellow lines move up or down together, and don't affect the red {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288556152765812808/image.png?ex=681503ef&is=6813b26f&hm=a57bd69358bde372898f8710a96ac3f45ca40f23918bb9ba5a3122b2fcb6d4d7& [25-Sep-24 12:42 PM] kynadre#0000 How do I subdivide so that the red lines and/or the yellow lines can be further subdivided, so I have more separate height control for each subgroup? [25-Sep-24 12:43 PM] igfloz#0000 They both raise, because you sliced a buffer vertically (but they are still kinda attached) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [25-Sep-24 12:43 PM] kynadre#0000 how do I detach? [25-Sep-24 12:43 PM] jcheung#0000 Pop the two bottom out to floating buffers [25-Sep-24 12:43 PM] jcheung#0000 Then delete the tiles [25-Sep-24 12:43 PM] jcheung#0000 Then split the columns [25-Sep-24 12:43 PM] igfloz#0000 I don't know. I tend to build my layout 1st, then copy paste screen codes into each [25-Sep-24 12:44 PM] kynadre#0000 I mean so they're part of the permanent screen, but I can adjust the heights independently [25-Sep-24 12:44 PM] igfloz#0000 Oh, it can be done, thanks - every day a school day ๐Ÿ™‚ [25-Sep-24 12:45 PM] jcheung#0000 Once columns are split, then the two columns will move left/right together but up/down for the two sub tiles will be independent for each column [25-Sep-24 12:45 PM] kynadre#0000 Ooooooh [25-Sep-24 12:45 PM] kynadre#0000 Thank youu! [25-Sep-24 12:45 PM] jcheung#0000 Basically thing of it as boxes inside boxes [25-Sep-24 12:45 PM] jcheung#0000 The box on the inside is constrianed by the box on the outside [25-Sep-24 12:45 PM] igfloz#0000 ^^^ thats what I was trying to say (they are kinda attached) [25-Sep-24 12:45 PM] kynadre#0000 yeah, I see what you mean now that I think about it [25-Sep-24 12:45 PM] kynadre#0000 because of the sequence and "direction" I had split them, it believes they're attached when I don't intend them to be [25-Sep-24 12:46 PM] kynadre#0000 so I have to redo it to split different heirarchy [25-Sep-24 12:46 PM] kynadre#0000 :Galaxy_Brain: โค๏ธ [25-Sep-24 12:46 PM] jcheung#0000 It took me a while to figure it out, with some clues from others [25-Sep-24 12:49 PM] kynadre#0000 There we go! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288557950465478727/image.png?ex=6815059b&is=6813b41b&hm=77d6399338fa9ee2d826523f431c8130d11eec4ced36269f097b53a821a7dada& [25-Sep-24 12:49 PM] kynadre#0000 I backed it all the way up to the planet info filling that entire space, then I sliced it across, THEN each column vertically [25-Sep-24 12:49 PM] kynadre#0000 so now the three columns are separate [25-Sep-24 12:49 PM] kynadre#0000 op success \o/ thank youuuuu [25-Sep-24 12:54 PM] jcheung#0000 There's one window i want to add on one of my screens but that would need me to redo like 20+ tiles [25-Sep-24 12:54 PM] jcheung#0000 And I'm too lazy for that [25-Sep-24 12:54 PM] kynadre#0000 xDDD [25-Sep-24 12:54 PM] kynadre#0000 it's always an option to add a new screen :> [25-Sep-24 12:56 PM] jcheung#0000 Not for this thing [25-Sep-24 12:57 PM] jcheung#0000 I've also been reconsidering if i want it like this anyways [25-Sep-24 12:57 PM] kynadre#0000 ah [25-Sep-24 12:58 PM] jcheung#0000 Is it compact? Oh yeah. For sure. But I'm lazy {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [25-Sep-24 02:50 PM] pxlfox.#0000 If I sent someone a contract and he didn't accept it - can I cancel it without a penalty? [25-Sep-24 02:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yep [25-Sep-24 02:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Just hit terminate and it will disappear [25-Sep-24 03:35 PM] jvaler#0000 very happy they added that lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [25-Sep-24 05:42 PM] kynadre#0000 Lol, just noticed that PRUN says I'm active 6 days a week... because I've only been playing 6 days [25-Sep-24 05:44 PM] manhim#0000 It's technically correct. The best kind of correct. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [25-Sep-24 09:58 PM] avalock#0000 wruff {Reactions} ๐ŸŒฒ [25-Sep-24 09:58 PM] avalock#0000 arf {Reactions} ๐ŸŒฒ [25-Sep-24 09:58 PM] avalock#0000 woof woof {Reactions} ๐ŸŒฒ [25-Sep-24 09:58 PM] avalock#0000 awooooo {Reactions} ๐ŸŒฒ [25-Sep-24 10:03 PM] kynadre#0000 Kittycab. You're welcome [25-Sep-24 10:04 PM] avalock#0000 kittucab? [25-Sep-24 10:30 PM] kynadre#0000 xD [25-Sep-24 10:31 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m confused [25-Sep-24 10:33 PM] kynadre#0000 it was a ship name proposal [25-Sep-24 10:33 PM] kynadre#0000 though I suppose you're a puppyfan more ๐Ÿ™‚ [25-Sep-24 10:33 PM] avalock#0000 yeee iโ€™m a doggirl {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [25-Sep-24 10:34 PM] kynadre#0000 Ruff life [25-Sep-24 10:35 PM] avalock#0000 pov: last week when my gf was sick {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288705526749986826/Img_2024_09_15_11_34_28.jpg?ex=6814e64c&is=681394cc&hm=18abf303ef95b12e94490650f6b15b7eaedcfe1a2248b3557b77ae58582d095c& [25-Sep-24 10:35 PM] tanda#0000 wARf Express {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [25-Sep-24 10:37 PM] tanda#0000 wALOooooo [25-Sep-24 10:37 PM] avalock#0000 damn those are so good [25-Sep-24 10:39 PM] avalock#0000 i wanna try pocari sweat [25-Sep-24 10:39 PM] tanda#0000 it's one of those drinks that HAS to taste better than it sounds [25-Sep-24 10:39 PM] avalock#0000 yeeee [25-Sep-24 10:40 PM] avalock#0000 apparently fake meat grows p well in it [25-Sep-24 10:40 PM] avalock#0000 and thats enough to want to make me try it [25-Sep-24 10:40 PM] tanda#0000 ...*sigh* [25-Sep-24 10:40 PM] tanda#0000 ~~chemical ~~engineers, I swear [25-Sep-24 10:41 PM] avalock#0000 lmfao [25-Sep-24 10:41 PM] tanda#0000 they will grow the damnedest things in the damnedest things and then talk about how cool it is [25-Sep-24 10:42 PM] avalock#0000 me when i do something cursed [25-Sep-24 10:43 PM] avalock#0000 damn i want more piercings and tattoos [25-Sep-24 10:44 PM] tanda#0000 I want a tattoo [25-Sep-24 10:44 PM] tanda#0000 just which frickin one [25-Sep-24 10:45 PM] avalock#0000 lmao understood [25-Sep-24 10:45 PM] avalock#0000 i have my right side and torso figured out [25-Sep-24 10:45 PM] avalock#0000 idk what to do for left side [25-Sep-24 10:45 PM] avalock#0000 maybe i let others choose for me [25-Sep-24 10:45 PM] avalock#0000 it seems like the right amount of chaos [25-Sep-24 10:46 PM] tanda#0000 Chaos for a puppy seems right [25-Sep-24 10:46 PM] tanda#0000 I am not about that, lol [25-Sep-24 10:46 PM] avalock#0000 yeee [25-Sep-24 10:46 PM] avalock#0000 lmao [25-Sep-24 10:46 PM] avalock#0000 valid [25-Sep-24 10:56 PM] avalock#0000 uhhhh the plan is fixed dog (male + female combined) tattoo back right shoulder tria-prima alchemy symbols on right proximal phalanges four elements on the left prox-phalanges symbol of chaos back of left hand various sigils stylized to look like PCB wires on forearm (bicep WIP, probably to do with drone things) neck - Collar of flowers chest- octopus tatt :3 spine- entire astrology birth chart potential stuff for jaw line thinking a smol version of the 4 elements [25-Sep-24 10:57 PM] avalock#0000 and then would love art to combine the themes in between [25-Sep-24 10:58 PM] tanda#0000 I should get an ouroboros tattoo [25-Sep-24 10:58 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m thinking of getting a celtic knot somewhere cause i have some irish heritage with my family being there originally [25-Sep-24 10:59 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m also omitting some stuff that would be too much for this server lol [25-Sep-24 10:59 PM] avalock#0000 but i figure thats a given [25-Sep-24 11:01 PM] avalock#0000 and then for piercings probably stuff along the lines of: guages (currently growing) septum nose ring eye brow at somepoint thinking angel bites with a labret for mouth [25-Sep-24 11:01 PM] avalock#0000 i wanted to get an industrial bar but my ears are flat ;-; [25-Sep-24 11:02 PM] tanda#0000 I'd trade my dumbo ears in for flat in a heartbeat, lol [25-Sep-24 11:02 PM] avalock#0000 lmfao damn [25-Sep-24 11:02 PM] tanda#0000 seriously I can get up quite the breeze with these things [25-Sep-24 11:02 PM] avalock#0000 oh by flat i mean the like uhhhh [25-Sep-24 11:02 PM] avalock#0000 upper tip thing [25-Sep-24 11:02 PM] avalock#0000 mine only has a small bit of curving [25-Sep-24 11:03 PM] tanda#0000 oh, well there's surgery for that too [25-Sep-24 11:03 PM] tanda#0000 if you want to do elfy ears [25-Sep-24 11:03 PM] avalock#0000 lmfao true [25-Sep-24 11:04 PM] avalock#0000 lmao honestly on the more like uhhh [25-Sep-24 11:05 PM] avalock#0000 risky side compared to all this [25-Sep-24 11:05 PM] avalock#0000 i wanna get an rfid chip between my thumb and my index finger [25-Sep-24 11:05 PM] avalock#0000 the like skin between there [25-Sep-24 11:05 PM] avalock#0000 i would copy my work ID onto it [25-Sep-24 11:06 PM] avalock#0000 anyways lmao sorry to ramble about body modifications ๐Ÿคฃ [25-Sep-24 11:06 PM] tanda#0000 alright, I'm with you up until the RFID chip [25-Sep-24 11:06 PM] tanda#0000 that's going to be obsolete in a decade [25-Sep-24 11:07 PM] avalock#0000 oh whats gonna replace it :o [25-Sep-24 11:07 PM] tanda#0000 ngl, I would totally do full on prosthetic limb replacement if we lived in a Cyberpunk universe [25-Sep-24 11:07 PM] tanda#0000 but we aren't there yet [25-Sep-24 11:07 PM] avalock#0000 pls no biometrics ;-; [25-Sep-24 11:08 PM] tanda#0000 RFID is every bit as much on a timer as CD's and DVD's and USB's were and are [25-Sep-24 11:08 PM] tanda#0000 all formats and devices obsolete [25-Sep-24 11:08 PM] avalock#0000 ahhhh okay [25-Sep-24 11:08 PM] avalock#0000 yeah probably not the bedt then [25-Sep-24 11:09 PM] avalock#0000 i have a RFID chip iโ€™m implanting in a wearable thatโ€™ll be fine enough [25-Sep-24 11:11 PM] avalock#0000 ughโ€ฆ i should get to designing the attachments for it [25-Sep-24 11:12 PM] avalock#0000 its basically a necklace with interchangeable devices in it [25-Sep-24 11:12 PM] avalock#0000 and iโ€™m making a latch system that i thiiiink will use magnets [25-Sep-24 11:13 PM] tanda#0000 I'm not an engineer, just slowly going blind, but I think some of the newer generation of smart glasses is cool [25-Sep-24 11:13 PM] avalock#0000 neat :o [25-Sep-24 11:13 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m just becoming a denial of service dog {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [25-Sep-24 11:14 PM] avalock#0000 i literally wanna get patches like these for a bag but instead it says like the opposite {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288715264896012289/IMG_5455.webp?ex=6814ef5e&is=68139dde&hm=5948ecde0bda56c92ffa4dc2b548ace47e350be384b9d61c1c6ff176b62c5284& [25-Sep-24 11:14 PM] tanda#0000 if you can mass distribute this, you could be a distributed denial of service dog {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [25-Sep-24 11:14 PM] avalock#0000 yooooo [25-Sep-24 11:15 PM] avalock#0000 i should find someone willing to do custom patches [25-Sep-24 11:15 PM] tanda#0000 there's a lot of people out there willing to do that [25-Sep-24 11:15 PM] tanda#0000 I have a few friends that frequently buy these patches [25-Sep-24 11:16 PM] tanda#0000 (mostly anime waifus) [25-Sep-24 11:16 PM] avalock#0000 heh itโ€™ll be great [25-Sep-24 11:22 PM] avalock#0000 pov: some tatted up chick wearing a โ€œnecklaceโ€ that has this tamagotchi looking thing on it, while wearing a dog ear headband, and a backpack with โ€œdenial of service dogโ€ patches enters your corporate office (sheโ€™s IT) [25-Sep-24 11:23 PM] avalock#0000 i would get one of those boingy tails but i think thats too much (also theyโ€™re so expensive) [25-Sep-24 11:24 PM] avalock#0000 someone did wear one at my workplace tho [25-Sep-24 11:24 PM] avalock#0000 so like [25-Sep-24 11:24 PM] avalock#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ [25-Sep-24 11:27 PM] tanda#0000 ain't nothing wrong with tats or technonecklaces [25-Sep-24 11:27 PM] avalock#0000 truly :3 [25-Sep-24 11:27 PM] tanda#0000 and if cat ear headbands are accepting, what's wrong with dog ear headbands [25-Sep-24 11:28 PM] avalock#0000 nothing iโ€™m just my own worst enemy [25-Sep-24 11:29 PM] avalock#0000 guh i really wanna get into doing stuff with led matrixeseses [25-Sep-24 11:30 PM] avalock#0000 stolen from a protogen discord: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288719211694133270/IMG_5504.png?ex=6814f30b&is=6813a18b&hm=e26443cda4c38d021a62c029746a560748a19fdc79d6563bc96bca6dd88be211& [25-Sep-24 11:30 PM] avalock#0000 its so cool [25-Sep-24 11:30 PM] tanda#0000 that is pretty cool, yeah! [25-Sep-24 11:35 PM] avalock#0000 lol sorry for the yapping my mind active today [25-Sep-24 11:37 PM] tanda#0000 it's all good, I'm just in wind down mode [25-Sep-24 11:40 PM] avalock#0000 fair iโ€™m not expecting any big discussion nor am i really ready for one lol [25-Sep-24 11:40 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m just [25-Sep-24 11:40 PM] avalock#0000 https://tenor.com/view/husky-zoomies-gottagofast-gif-26617983 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/husky-zoomies-gottagofast-gif-26617983 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/bmo0EDyZGrt4dUciggzvkZZ33VDQeu0-h4LFgcu8-vc/https/media.tenor.com/9QsZ7dB4khsAAAAe/husky-zoomies.png [25-Sep-24 11:54 PM] kynadre#0000 my brain is still in "wtf I get 13 active production slots but only 5 queue slots; suddenly I understand what this means micro-wise" reaction [25-Sep-24 11:54 PM] kynadre#0000 gotta work out ratios to time things correctly to output XDD [25-Sep-24 11:54 PM] kynadre#0000 (thank God I did that already) [25-Sep-24 11:55 PM] avalock#0000 you got this :3 {Reactions} rooCheer roo71 [26-Sep-24 12:12 AM] avalock#0000 idk what iโ€™m doing ever [26-Sep-24 12:13 AM] avalock#0000 OH MY SECOND SHIP UPGRADE IS GONNA BE HAPPENING [26-Sep-24 12:13 AM] getonthetrain#0000 https://tenor.com/view/scaler-create-impact-dog-coding-programming-gif-25011983 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/scaler-create-impact-dog-coding-programming-gif-25011983 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/V0It29tHYB8Yqm1A0r0-Oe3wDzOYIWBcXX1auisz4pg/https/media.tenor.com/gTg8ZSZMR6YAAAAe/scaler-create-impact.png [26-Sep-24 12:14 AM] avalock#0000 actually me [26-Sep-24 12:14 AM] avalock#0000 there is not a single thought in my head [26-Sep-24 12:28 AM] evov#0000 Me after spending all my $ on the cx {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288733944786714647/image.png?ex=681500c3&is=6813af43&hm=c8c3c6e74722282b120fe9826ba108ca211fb1e2b48fff3f3a6a2cd64f026601& [26-Sep-24 01:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 just had my first oopsy... I'm currently stocking for KV production, but didn't noticed how extremly expensive TCL is... [26-Sep-24 01:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 So I have to buy in smaller quantities and ship more often for now, [26-Sep-24 01:55 AM] laaxus#0000 yep [26-Sep-24 01:55 AM] laaxus#0000 it's a lesson :p [26-Sep-24 02:03 AM] razenpok#0000 Are you going to sell KV on the CX? [26-Sep-24 02:16 AM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288761200414556194/KVPrecious.jpg?ex=68151a26&is=6813c8a6&hm=390c4c44d119dd36ed1f4b4dc23389dfc64c37e1326916e87bdea880df6a64f8& [26-Sep-24 02:43 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I was planning to do so, until an aluminium bear made me a better deal [26-Sep-24 02:45 AM] pxlfox.#0000 My production won't be high and my cash reserves not deep enough at the beginning, that I could let it sit on the CX for 30k. Therefore I would sell it at ask, with is way lower. [26-Sep-24 02:50 AM] razenpok#0000 fyi, KV market is *very* slow {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288769572933210194/image.png?ex=68147932&is=681327b2&hm=1770a7cf28539479f7fb0c9cc6073e15bfcee7356c332ffd6acbbcf95cb52aac& [26-Sep-24 02:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 that too [26-Sep-24 02:50 AM] laaxus#0000 you meant selling at bid, right ? [26-Sep-24 02:51 AM] evov#0000 Selling at any - 14 units per week is what's moved on the ANT market for KV [26-Sep-24 02:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Selling for the price people want it [26-Sep-24 02:51 AM] evov#0000 Probably because the price is quite high here. Look at Moria - 621 units per week... at a price that's more....... buyable. [26-Sep-24 02:52 AM] pxlfox.#0000 27.000 is the price you're evaluating KV, right @evov ? [26-Sep-24 02:52 AM] evov#0000 Yea, I think 27500 is what I've got it as. [26-Sep-24 02:52 AM] laaxus#0000 yes, 27500 seems a fitting price [26-Sep-24 02:53 AM] evov#0000 If TCL price changes a lot, that will change a bit though. [26-Sep-24 02:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Well, for now Iโ€™m fine. Going to try to setup a functioning production and see where it takes me [26-Sep-24 02:54 AM] razenpok#0000 TCL is extremely overpriced rn, COGM is 1900 or smth {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288770722168311839/image.png?ex=68147a44&is=681328c4&hm=d1466cc8bdee729cb158dedc36b11bc6ddd079575b729ce1d5f146e11f138c10& [26-Sep-24 02:55 AM] evov#0000 And yet... Ant is the cheapest place to buy it still. [26-Sep-24 02:55 AM] evov#0000 I've been sending my TCL off to Ben and other area's to sell as needed. [26-Sep-24 02:55 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Isnโ€™t it just H, O and C? Something like that? [26-Sep-24 02:55 AM] evov#0000 CL [26-Sep-24 02:55 AM] razenpok#0000 CL O H [26-Sep-24 02:56 AM] evov#0000 H and O have been unusually high lately. Not sure what CL has been doing. Maybe that's part of why TCL is expensive... input price spikes, people stop making it etc. [26-Sep-24 02:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 CL is at 3300 ๐Ÿ‘€ [26-Sep-24 02:57 AM] evov#0000 Yea, well, I don't expect TCL to be dropping any time soon then. [26-Sep-24 02:57 AM] razenpok#0000 that's "normal" price for quite some time now [26-Sep-24 02:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Looking at the recipes, they donโ€™t seem to be that difficult [26-Sep-24 02:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But then again, I donโ€™t know how much it actually costs to produce them [26-Sep-24 02:58 AM] evov#0000 Nothing in the game is difficult. [26-Sep-24 02:58 AM] akyantor#0000 CL is a mare to make space / speed wise. [26-Sep-24 02:59 AM] akyantor#0000 And is used in lots of "useful" production chains... like EPO [26-Sep-24 02:59 AM] evov#0000 Get HAL - send it +H2O to some CHP's. Make CL. Add O/H -> Make TCL at a LAB. Make PG in a POL (also on a chem planet) - Send the PG + TCL to your WPL... make KV {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [26-Sep-24 03:00 AM] laaxus#0000 "duh just own the whole production chain, what are you doing fam" [26-Sep-24 03:00 AM] pxlfox.#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‚ [26-Sep-24 03:00 AM] evov#0000 It's like 2 planets. One of which you already have. [26-Sep-24 03:00 AM] evov#0000 So... ./shrug [26-Sep-24 03:01 AM] pxlfox.#0000 This would probably explain why there isnโ€™t much trading for those products [26-Sep-24 03:01 AM] evov#0000 CHP/LAB/POL - all chem [26-Sep-24 03:01 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Many people are probably producing it themself [26-Sep-24 03:01 AM] laaxus#0000 I think you're forgetting how expensive lab are [26-Sep-24 03:02 AM] evov#0000 Ok... so... get someone else to supply your TCL and produce KV for them while you make money. Once you've made enough, to buy some LAB's, start making the TCL for yourself. [26-Sep-24 03:03 AM] pxlfox.#0000 โ€ฆ I might have spend to much money on building. Getting the restocks will beโ€ฆ interesting [26-Sep-24 03:04 AM] evov#0000 Part of why I keep advocating for new players to prioritize RoI and cashflow. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [26-Sep-24 03:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Itโ€™s like getting you paycheck at the start of the month and feeling rich for a few days [26-Sep-24 03:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Until the bills come in ๐Ÿ˜ญ [26-Sep-24 03:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Munching rocks seems like an easy life [26-Sep-24 03:07 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288773977912905768/honest-work-meme_wide-bd1dfbe2e7656eec70a8d375129c9df98b7c9e07.jpg?ex=68147d4c&is=68132bcc&hm=1bf888e164e40aa180cb70d3872dbe5bd3d0e92d8497747fff4a8195636d9f6e& [26-Sep-24 04:12 AM] realharvey#0000 3rd Lfab base is finally Online ๐ŸŽ‰ [26-Sep-24 04:14 AM] evov#0000 wow thats very all in on LFabs [26-Sep-24 06:40 AM] realharvey#0000 overall 15 Permits dedicated to it for vertical integration to reduce production costs [26-Sep-24 07:06 AM] tanda#0000 Lord have mercy with these water prices [26-Sep-24 07:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I guess 30 to 40 would be a reasonable price? [26-Sep-24 07:08 AM] tanda#0000 40 was reasonable, 60+ is getting stupid [26-Sep-24 07:15 AM] tanda#0000 Each one of these bad boys is 20% of daily volume traded {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288836334592458874/Screenshot_2024-09-26_051426.png?ex=6814b75f&is=681365df&hm=a42900904adcc4c4b5ae897df3f3050f5bee55ccf416d2fea82564016ff6547b& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288836335062352014/Screenshot_2024-09-26_051447.png?ex=6814b75f&is=681365df&hm=c49d1cba32f995600b20b4d626df5a1f233bf61e42f9f38b86a34cc5f6b4506d& [26-Sep-24 07:18 AM] pxlfox.#0000 are you trying to incentives people into the water economy? ๐Ÿ˜› [26-Sep-24 07:19 AM] tanda#0000 If my funds weren't as tight as they are right now, I'd definitely help someone get one built. Might do it anyway, but for now I must go to work [26-Sep-24 07:20 AM] pxlfox.#0000 well - as all raw resource extraction sites - you need good logistic capacities to pull it off {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [26-Sep-24 07:26 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 SE-100 is a big boy club for agricultural / FP production. If you just want SE-110c (Ice Station Alpha --- water)... You'd need at least 1 LCB supplying that place, weekly. Jump intervals between ANT, and there are rather short. If you're delivering to anywhere else than the CX, you'd want at least 2 LCBs. [26-Sep-24 07:44 AM] evov#0000 imo the boucher trio is the better option. Cheaper planet conditions, higher water density. Transport is the only potential downside compared to icestation if you're aiming to send stuff back to ant [26-Sep-24 07:46 AM] evov#0000 From memory, the boucher set has Nitrogen extraction + chem planet in the next system over for local NS production to feed the HYF's. [26-Sep-24 07:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Its even further away then the potential CUO mine ๐Ÿ˜ฎ [26-Sep-24 07:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Wet Water - FK-794 - if anybody wonders [26-Sep-24 07:58 AM] evov#0000 Not from Hortus CX it isn't. [26-Sep-24 07:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/zsu2l53lKULppRHFsF6mGdAa1bvE13uZ74NGN9_PdaY/https/media.tenor.com/iOoe4V8Va6YAAAAe/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme.png [26-Sep-24 08:04 AM] realharvey#0000 Boucher is a big boy established player water base [26-Sep-24 08:05 AM] realharvey#0000 Avoid it until you go into 15+ Permit territory [26-Sep-24 08:09 AM] evov#0000 It was my 3rd base when I started. The shipping sucked back then, but now with the HYF and FP bases next door it's even less of a concern imo. It is in the agri / food business though.... which doesn't always have the juiciest margins. [26-Sep-24 08:09 AM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288850025018818611/image.png?ex=6814c41f&is=6813729f&hm=100c941f7e446d4815413d4b2503616e8fc98f6d375135a088208bc68c51f0c7& [26-Sep-24 08:13 AM] realharvey#0000 its not really reasonable when you are just using one Planet in that system at early stages in the game [26-Sep-24 08:37 AM] kynadre#0000 I mean ultimately the challenge with O and H2O appears to be shipping weight, right? [26-Sep-24 08:45 AM] evov#0000 and volume. For h2o (as an example) a 2k2k ship will carry 10k H2O. If you convert it into DW first ... it'll carry 20k DW ( 28k worth of H2O ) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ [26-Sep-24 08:46 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Juicy margins? Nope... But my orders get filled in less than a day. Pick your poison. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ’ฏ [26-Sep-24 08:47 AM] evov#0000 That's why H2O and agri stuff were more of my first few bases. Low capital cost (except for shipping) and high turnover. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [26-Sep-24 08:48 AM] kynadre#0000 it makes sense once you conquer the logistics demand with some capital and I think that makes sense as a next step for me, too, the H20 and O [26-Sep-24 08:48 AM] kynadre#0000 clearly a need so high volume where I can reduce the shipping burden with more efficient ships [26-Sep-24 08:49 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288859977796288532/image.png?ex=6814cd64&is=68137be4&hm=c0f5049c157c662109b1d1f6f624655bdec4522c77c8f2c736d2ac9d0e0c969e& [26-Sep-24 08:50 AM] laaxus#0000 it was so stable [26-Sep-24 08:50 AM] evov#0000 You can put up LM adds to help with shipping. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [26-Sep-24 08:50 AM] kynadre#0000 I've seen a fair amount of LM ads now that I'm paying more attention to those [26-Sep-24 08:50 AM] kynadre#0000 buy ads [26-Sep-24 08:52 AM] evov#0000 Thats what I used to do. If you pay someone 40k to transport 10k H2O ... you're losing 4/unit. And it's almost free to make. I think production cost for H2O on boucher is like.. 3.6/unit {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [26-Sep-24 08:53 AM] kynadre#0000 It'd be a few permits in for me to think about an extraction base, so I have more income flow to afford the upgrade to my logistics, but it's definitely a thought [26-Sep-24 08:53 AM] evov#0000 I'm not saying it's the best choice.. but if it's something you want to do, there's usually ways to work around limitations. [26-Sep-24 08:54 AM] kynadre#0000 right [26-Sep-24 08:54 AM] kynadre#0000 Plus there'll be others looking to do the same when they see price spikes and ads popping up, or just making it themselves dedicatedly [26-Sep-24 08:54 AM] kynadre#0000 what isn't made easy thanks to others is simply dealt with in our own production chains and then remains invisible on market as needed [26-Sep-24 08:56 AM] evov#0000 Like, right now, people are buying h2o, on boucher for 32/unit. Set up the base, sell it on the LM and go back once every 60 days to top up consumables and do repairs... ends up being the lowest logistics drain in your empire. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [26-Sep-24 08:57 AM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288862018060816548/image.png?ex=6814cf4b&is=68137dcb&hm=f74df0e84beeb9f36acb393b60b92b4c88cc5dc6c7da8adbf045207c50487b82& [26-Sep-24 08:58 AM] laaxus#0000 it's honestly a very good investment for new players [26-Sep-24 08:59 AM] evov#0000 And its a goldilocks planet (no extra construction materials) so it's really cheap to set up {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [26-Sep-24 08:59 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Most of those are Vox Lunaris stuff.... Boys, he's hoping for a CX comeback! ๐Ÿ˜ฎ [26-Sep-24 09:00 AM] evov#0000 If I have to I'll build a few extra ships and set up buy orders the LM there. [26-Sep-24 09:23 AM] getonthetrain#0000 I mean, I would make a water base but it is not feasible with the standard starter ships. So it's up to more advanced players to provide the market, but most use the water for their own production. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [26-Sep-24 09:26 AM] kynadre#0000 Yeah for sure upgraded ships required [26-Sep-24 09:26 AM] kynadre#0000 gotta be a few permits in to justify that as a need for the overall logistics network anyway [26-Sep-24 10:45 AM] jcheung#0000 this h2o price is crazy [26-Sep-24 10:47 AM] pxlfox.#0000 wth, why does it take longer to fly from ANT to Astraeus then JUMPING TO DEIMOS!? [26-Sep-24 10:51 AM] laaxus#0000 (pinned) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288890624417726546/image.png?ex=6814e9ef&is=6813986f&hm=333a83a00f4ad1b49ea084b8228daaf16d47c83e43d3ca2f76b89af38d198369& [26-Sep-24 10:53 AM] jcheung#0000 FTL covers distance faster than STL [26-Sep-24 10:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I see - I thought having my base in the same system as ANT is a safe bet - will take a few hours max to get there. But no, it takes even longer -.- [26-Sep-24 10:55 AM] jcheung#0000 what do you make out there [26-Sep-24 10:55 AM] jcheung#0000 i visit my base there like once every other week [26-Sep-24 10:55 AM] pxlfox.#0000 KV [26-Sep-24 10:56 AM] jcheung#0000 and usually chaining jumps [26-Sep-24 10:56 AM] pxlfox.#0000 but supplies are already covered for now. I just need to send consumables there every week [26-Sep-24 11:38 AM] avalock#0000 wruff [26-Sep-24 02:12 PM] jvaler#0000 Pinned a message. [26-Sep-24 02:21 PM] skyrey#0000 Started trying myself in Market Arbitrage in Carbon at Anteras. Reducing the spread by 5 from each end ( Both bid and ask ) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1288943665649287283/Screenshot_2024-09-26_at_20.20.16.png?ex=68147295&is=68132115&hm=207b2d0e674d5f4e67c6e39bfd402bf3a16c4f45126252a274d13720aed42dc1& [26-Sep-24 02:22 PM] laaxus#0000 there's never enough margin traders [26-Sep-24 02:23 PM] laaxus#0000 by all means, please do so [26-Sep-24 02:23 PM] skyrey#0000 I think that in these two weeks of me trying it I passed though about 2 000 carbon, on which I made 20 per carbon bought and sold. So a total of 40 000 [26-Sep-24 02:23 PM] skyrey#0000 Small profits, but very little time investment and I get the satisfaction of offering people better prices [26-Sep-24 02:24 PM] laaxus#0000 if you like margin trading, maybe you could find a mutually beneficial deal with @ahotdogwizard [26-Sep-24 02:25 PM] skyrey#0000 Perhaps. The case is that I have a free account [26-Sep-24 02:25 PM] skyrey#0000 I can not accept grants or loans [26-Sep-24 02:25 PM] laaxus#0000 this doesn't make things easy indeed [26-Sep-24 02:26 PM] laaxus#0000 you should at least have basic if you like the game {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [26-Sep-24 02:27 PM] skyrey#0000 Good point [26-Sep-24 07:42 PM] tanda#0000 prepare though, before you go pro [26-Sep-24 07:43 PM] tanda#0000 make the most out of your month, then go back to basic {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [26-Sep-24 07:44 PM] tanda#0000 Regarding an SE-110c base, I'm looking for additional supply out there. I'm partnered with someone already but one full base does not supply two HYF, and I am thinking about dropping another out there to start working on things like FIM and MEA [26-Sep-24 07:53 PM] evov#0000 I like seeing people try new and interesting ways of making money. Love your work @skyrey I'm about 5 weeks into my (use capital to play with the CX instead of expanding bases). No idea if I'm making money or losing money at this stage, but doing a different thing means there's new/different numbers that I care about, so it's prompted me to make different tools. If you are interested in more market play stuff, what I found helpful was copy/pasting my trades to a sheet so I could break the numbers down and pull out useful information about my CX activities. [27-Sep-24 12:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It was already discussed, but I can't find it in the chats anymore ๐Ÿ™ˆ But if I want to calculate the production costs of a material, its bascially: cost of input materials + cost of workforce (consumables) + building degradation + shipping costs right? [27-Sep-24 12:58 AM] evov#0000 That's what I would count as the production cost. [27-Sep-24 01:50 AM] scorpy6225#0000 Decided to rename planet Cg-044d to Aeolus. Felt the god of the winds worked better than anything else i had in mind. Also took me a month to figure this out lol [27-Sep-24 01:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 If the System was called Aeolus and had 4 gas planets, they could have been called Boreas, Zehpyrus, Notus and Euros, like the 4 Anemoi ^^ [27-Sep-24 01:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But sounds like good name for a gas giant. And it fits with the greek naming scheme ๐Ÿ™‚ [27-Sep-24 02:01 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Are you the only one inhabiting the planet? And what are you using it for? Probably HE or AMM extraction, right? [27-Sep-24 02:02 AM] scorpy6225#0000 Yes. We want to grow the system as we have Jotu right there as well. As i dont need as much extraction as i have atm i also have MHL cooking there. Makes good cash [27-Sep-24 02:03 AM] scorpy6225#0000 I want to expand the planet and I feel construction could be a good idea for Cogc but im undecided [27-Sep-24 08:24 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I feel like for some of you this is anxiety inducing ๐Ÿ˜… {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289216105101131818/image.png?ex=6814c78f&is=6813760f&hm=421b37c12af679493867dd6dc10d16768ed550a84ae7c317e786ef07b27e9fdf& [27-Sep-24 08:25 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289216230615416842/image.png?ex=6814c7ad&is=6813762d&hm=221dd5351b0a23ea3fb6fd156e94cd159690024e0fa146d20eb71573446ef8b0& [27-Sep-24 08:25 AM] laaxus#0000 how about this [27-Sep-24 08:25 AM] pxlfox.#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฑ [27-Sep-24 08:25 AM] pxlfox.#0000 living at the limit [27-Sep-24 08:25 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I know @evov is stocking for 3 months or so [27-Sep-24 08:25 AM] laaxus#0000 because he has the capital to do so [27-Sep-24 08:26 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I know ๐Ÿ˜… living paycheck to paycheck here [27-Sep-24 11:40 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bQrE2.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/gun-loading-gun-cursed-emoji-mad-gif-24853374 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/3sxI-7sd28dq_uPxzaQte4WqkXzQQPSM5_Fu3wniK2I/https/media.tenor.com/rtUy7lc_OqUAAAAe/gun-loading-gun.png [27-Sep-24 11:56 AM] kynadre#0000 paycheck to paycheck is having not enough of the thing you make locally to queue more than one run of each thing you smelt from it... haha [27-Sep-24 11:57 AM] kynadre#0000 I may have to temp buy some buffer XD [27-Sep-24 11:59 AM] jcheung#0000 i like buffer [27-Sep-24 11:59 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289270288596471818/image.png?ex=6814fa06&is=6813a886&hm=63ac58a663675d3d9c644be1f18041d370edc5d36e66d379e8fdb10c252d506f& [27-Sep-24 11:59 AM] kynadre#0000 Yeah my production's about to hiccup pretty hard if I don't feed it a bit more XDD {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289270322629185568/image.png?ex=6814fa0e&is=6813a88e&hm=80f1a3965c5dd2e69408164d0b375e578ab8a9af1df6d3903c8fc16d0fd0b456& [27-Sep-24 12:00 PM] kynadre#0000 there's no ALO to go in... guess I could swap SI recipe for a bit just to keep them working on something, the non-AL recipe [27-Sep-24 12:00 PM] kynadre#0000 this part of production having only 5 buffer slots for 13 production slots, I was not mentally ready for [27-Sep-24 12:00 PM] igfloz#0000 I have 2K ALO at deimos if needed [27-Sep-24 12:00 PM] jcheung#0000 oh. yeah, you should keep enough buffer of ALO to run off a batch {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [27-Sep-24 12:01 PM] jcheung#0000 you... you're pro. do recurring production [27-Sep-24 12:01 PM] kynadre#0000 I can't really do that if I don't have the right proportions of feedstock to begin with, not yet [27-Sep-24 12:01 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289270712661573723/image.png?ex=6814fa6b&is=6813a8eb&hm=46e88b37e6029844aa2956f2857a1afd82b0881ba435fd8d3244ee3011717c39& [27-Sep-24 12:02 PM] kynadre#0000 I just gotta beef up the input a little bit for ALO and I can transition [27-Sep-24 12:02 PM] kynadre#0000 @igfloz are you offering sale of some? [27-Sep-24 12:02 PM] igfloz#0000 yeah 100/u if you need it [27-Sep-24 12:02 PM] jcheung#0000 hang on. i don't think you understand how recurring production works if you say that [27-Sep-24 12:02 PM] jcheung#0000 what do you think it does [27-Sep-24 12:02 PM] kynadre#0000 um, repeats orders that are already in the production slots? [27-Sep-24 12:02 PM] jcheung#0000 no [27-Sep-24 12:03 PM] kynadre#0000 okay my noggin is ready to be educated [27-Sep-24 12:03 PM] jcheung#0000 you see how i have one single thing in the queue [27-Sep-24 12:03 PM] jcheung#0000 under the time, it says (recurring)? [27-Sep-24 12:03 PM] kynadre#0000 yeah [27-Sep-24 12:03 PM] jcheung#0000 okay, let me add some stuff to make this a better example {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 12:03 PM] jcheung#0000 stby one [27-Sep-24 12:03 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289271335138234430/image.png?ex=6814faff&is=6813a97f&hm=8db95ae26d71fbb96592dcd36b3663199157a1ffa4d79ff69ccc7ae3dcbf2760& [27-Sep-24 12:04 PM] jcheung#0000 ignore the fact that it says input missing [27-Sep-24 12:04 PM] jcheung#0000 i have here 5 jobs in queue. 2 of which are recurring orders {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 12:05 PM] jcheung#0000 when a recurring order is pushed into a production slot, it immediately goes to the bottom of the queue stack [27-Sep-24 12:05 PM] jcheung#0000 like so {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289271678786076673/image.png?ex=6814fb51&is=6813a9d1&hm=27a1a4968a2e322bd2b3b35db2c870a8a8f091191ba7dae773a15919aa82d573& [27-Sep-24 12:05 PM] jcheung#0000 this one would be the next one {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289271749007118389/image.png?ex=6814fb62&is=6813a9e2&hm=88c2cf433f2746dbfb09789242b437b8b99aa6f0178fd8ceccc48bb710d61b21& [27-Sep-24 12:05 PM] kynadre#0000 okay, that makes sense for my inputs [27-Sep-24 12:05 PM] jcheung#0000 non recurring ones are removed {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289271810587627592/image.png?ex=6814fb71&is=6813a9f1&hm=91746fc99172ece6e8a40bdbc71f73c8be8033077a21d11764215b95d98a183a& [27-Sep-24 12:05 PM] kynadre#0000 the thing is my smelter is making 3 stages of process, in a 5/4/4 ratio [27-Sep-24 12:06 PM] kynadre#0000 5 AL 4 SI 4 CF [27-Sep-24 12:06 PM] jcheung#0000 one at a time {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289271851402399745/image.png?ex=6814fb7a&is=6813a9fa&hm=fd8361025052c08c76b266671192586b7bb841b4c7bce4e919d96b7db1166689& [27-Sep-24 12:06 PM] kynadre#0000 I don't have enough ALO to keep the AL moving, and I need the AL for both steps 2 and 3 [27-Sep-24 12:06 PM] jcheung#0000 so what you can do is set up that ratio as recurring, and then manually inject non recurring items [27-Sep-24 12:07 PM] jcheung#0000 granted you're at the part right now where you need to build up stockpiles [27-Sep-24 12:07 PM] jcheung#0000 you have... how many queue slots? [27-Sep-24 12:07 PM] jcheung#0000 5? [27-Sep-24 12:09 PM] kynadre#0000 Yeah [27-Sep-24 12:09 PM] jcheung#0000 so like... i would make up a stack that looked similar to this (input missing is recurring) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289272801613713418/image.png?ex=6814fc5d&is=6813aadd&hm=46e134168f1209145562bab28aadccc05d2c94be14f3e7542621037ca4b33e80& [27-Sep-24 12:09 PM] kynadre#0000 Exactly, stockpiles so I can set those as recurring [27-Sep-24 12:10 PM] jcheung#0000 then if needed, push the AL to the the top {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289272910657355778/image.png?ex=6814fc77&is=6813aaf7&hm=81fd98011937e475152530b4b1ee9f12ac2a441ca99569daba875bc1e324d7e2& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 12:10 PM] jcheung#0000 ^ details lets you reorder queue items {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 12:10 PM] kynadre#0000 Thank youuuuu [27-Sep-24 12:10 PM] kynadre#0000 I just re-set my O and ALO queues to 1-order recurring, that's a fantastic help there [27-Sep-24 12:11 PM] igfloz#0000 It will rotate through the queue anyway, so with that list example you will be producing 3 X more AL than SI and CF {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 12:12 PM] jcheung#0000 once. then it settles back into 5:4:4 runs until another manual injection is made {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 12:12 PM] kynadre#0000 I gotta work on the ratios time-wise vs. slot-wise too, because 5AL for 4SI and 4CF, well, some of those slots move way faster than others, so it's actually more cycling during the day [27-Sep-24 12:12 PM] igfloz#0000 of course - I see the bottom AL are not recurring [27-Sep-24 12:12 PM] jcheung#0000 don't try to match by time [27-Sep-24 12:12 PM] kynadre#0000 that's where PRUN sort of gave me hiccup in planning, because I was going by daily rates [27-Sep-24 12:12 PM] jcheung#0000 match by number of batches [27-Sep-24 12:12 PM] kynadre#0000 so now I have to figure out the actual batch #s ratios [27-Sep-24 12:13 PM] jcheung#0000 prunplanner should have given you that [27-Sep-24 12:13 PM] kynadre#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289273679645118474/image.png?ex=6814fd2e&is=6813abae&hm=27e057293f61059491c229788c294cf4e407a8034acd8cc005ce46de4cc0c806& [27-Sep-24 12:13 PM] jcheung#0000 right. that's the ratio you want to plug in {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 12:14 PM] jcheung#0000 that's in batches, not time [27-Sep-24 12:14 PM] kynadre#0000 Gotcha, okay [27-Sep-24 12:14 PM] kynadre#0000 so that's slot ratios [27-Sep-24 12:14 PM] kynadre#0000 Thank youuu [27-Sep-24 12:14 PM] jcheung#0000 now, you might want to actually split the AL into two smaller batches [27-Sep-24 12:14 PM] kynadre#0000 Seriously huge help, I know it's taking a lot of your effort to explain here [27-Sep-24 12:14 PM] kynadre#0000 yeah for sure [27-Sep-24 12:14 PM] jcheung#0000 like 2 AL, 3 AL, 4 SI, 4CF {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 12:14 PM] kynadre#0000 Yeah that makes sense, accounting for the run size [27-Sep-24 12:15 PM] jcheung#0000 leaves you a slot for manual injection and reduces the stockpile size you need on AL {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 12:15 PM] jcheung#0000 also just to make sure, this is what i mean, this slider controls how many batches are run off per queue slot {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289274262649180201/image.png?ex=6814fdb9&is=6813ac39&hm=6bcaf378a0b1346af14645e395b65455a67437d0607caf6213ca622b0039b70c& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 12:16 PM] jcheung#0000 so in prunplanner your goal is to just tweak batch sizes to get your output/d to be in line with whatever you're trying to do-produce x, or consume x amount {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 12:18 PM] jcheung#0000 then you export the ratio of batches into your production queue [27-Sep-24 12:18 PM] jcheung#0000 oh. one last thing [27-Sep-24 12:19 PM] jcheung#0000 if a recurring order is unable to be performed due to lack of materials [27-Sep-24 12:19 PM] jcheung#0000 it will tie up one production slot and the second queued item will jump the queue when a second production slot opens up {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 12:20 PM] jcheung#0000 if you have 3 things that can't be done, then it'll tie up 3 production slots and the 4th will go [27-Sep-24 12:20 PM] jcheung#0000 ...actually i think it might just apply in general to all orders, recurring or not {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 12:21 PM] kynadre#0000 That makes sense [27-Sep-24 12:21 PM] kynadre#0000 I'll figure out the math on how much buffer I need, that'll help a lot alot thank you! [27-Sep-24 12:21 PM] jcheung#0000 generally better to have more buffer than not enough {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [27-Sep-24 12:22 PM] kynadre#0000 over time I'll end up with a slight surplus I can shave off, fortunately [27-Sep-24 12:22 PM] igfloz#0000 @kynadre can you accept contracts ? [27-Sep-24 12:22 PM] jcheung#0000 they're pro [27-Sep-24 12:22 PM] kynadre#0000 Yes, I can! Would you be willing to part with, say, 100 ALO at current quicksale? [27-Sep-24 12:23 PM] igfloz#0000 cool, send a cont for how much ALO you need (if any) - I'm regularly moving ALO from Nascent to Deimos {Reactions} โค๏ธ [27-Sep-24 12:24 PM] jcheung#0000 and if you want a couple units of AL to get started i can either sell you some AL or loan you some AL to be repaid at a later date [27-Sep-24 12:25 PM] jcheung#0000 150 available currently [27-Sep-24 12:25 PM] kynadre#0000 I have a good amount queued atm, enough to get the cycle going there, it's just the ALO on the front end to keep the AL moving {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 12:26 PM] jcheung#0000 sounds good. wasn't sure how tight things were for you {Reactions} โค๏ธ [27-Sep-24 12:26 PM] igfloz#0000 just to be clear, it's not a quicksale price, thats what I would charge ADI members ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 12:26 PM] igfloz#0000 just send me a message in #trading when you need some [27-Sep-24 12:27 PM] kynadre#0000 Yeah it's just a basic math error on my part, that I assumed I'd already have the ALO needed for the daily production because I make it locally... but that'd require my smelters to stop for a day to build it up [27-Sep-24 12:27 PM] kynadre#0000 Thanks! [27-Sep-24 12:27 PM] kynadre#0000 my heroes! [27-Sep-24 12:27 PM] jcheung#0000 i make those kinds of mistakes daily [27-Sep-24 12:27 PM] kynadre#0000 Plus learning how recurring orders work which will save me a TON of headache holy crap, huge help lesson there [27-Sep-24 12:27 PM] kynadre#0000 thank you so much, both of you, seriously [27-Sep-24 12:28 PM] jcheung#0000 hey, you're willing and able to learn. doesn't cost me much to teach someone like that {Reactions} โ™ฅ๏ธ [27-Sep-24 12:28 PM] jcheung#0000 ....some of my classmates in my current course though, i would hang myself {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [27-Sep-24 12:29 PM] kynadre#0000 learning is an absolute pleasure, and it's great that I'm finally able to understand stuff like this better. Been enjoying planning and strategy games WAY more lately, it just took time to grow these skills and that's A-OK [27-Sep-24 12:29 PM] kynadre#0000 being afraid of what we don't know is the real mistake in life {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [27-Sep-24 12:31 PM] jcheung#0000 "hey, i have a problem" *whole class stops for 10 minutes to explain the problem, how to identify the problem, etc* **15 minutes later** "hey, i have the same problem" {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [27-Sep-24 12:37 PM] kynadre#0000 I set it up for 2-2-1 recurring AL and 4 each recurring CF and SI, that should keep the AL going quicker and I can always adjust queue later if any buffers get misbalanced [27-Sep-24 12:40 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah. at the very least what you can do is even just leave only the AL running recurring for the next couple days {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 12:42 PM] razenpok#0000 RIP FIM.AI1 ๐Ÿ’€ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289281047808446534/image.png?ex=6815040b&is=6813b28b&hm=918d8352c120689296f4b5662e15be4d67cbc1aa6656d7c86b3f0b21a9228e39& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289281052027781120/image.png?ex=6815040c&is=6813b28c&hm=7d776d0e850027859ab1f50e83a357e9efee36184bc82fe55f4b7e95f74cab58& [27-Sep-24 12:44 PM] jcheung#0000 jesus christ [27-Sep-24 12:44 PM] jcheung#0000 did you buy it out?? [27-Sep-24 12:47 PM] razenpok#0000 Nope, idk what happened [27-Sep-24 12:48 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Hmm... I wonder. [27-Sep-24 12:48 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/btXrD.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19494007 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/9YDwbj8Yaru_d6LNXPth36c6Fmx3EByFOyNLb1cC4IQ/https/media.tenor.com/EnVd9NiVX6YAAAAe/gif.png [27-Sep-24 12:49 PM] kynadre#0000 Sir, the workers on aisle 9 are having a spicy ramen eating contest... Let them. Trust me. [27-Sep-24 12:50 PM] kynadre#0000 Also please triple the number of janitors over the next 48 hours. Thank you. [27-Sep-24 12:51 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Well making the FIM/MEA is just a population number. I can give rather basic metrics to anyone wanting to become another https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Quinctius_Cincinnatus... But the processes run in the years, since you need the ships, the NS+H2O inputs, the FP planets.... Along with a friend who will make the HER + PPA to process the stuff for end retail use. [27-Sep-24 12:53 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Evov, did you splurge on some cheap and tasty meals? [27-Sep-24 12:56 PM] pxlfox.#0000 He's probaly drunk on his metric tones of wine [27-Sep-24 12:57 PM] jcheung#0000 nah, if it was evo they would have hit all the markets {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [27-Sep-24 12:58 PM] kynadre#0000 Exactly, gotta enjoy that warehouse-free storage [27-Sep-24 12:58 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Aaalso [27-Sep-24 12:58 PM] pxlfox.#0000 hey would've posted it somewhere [27-Sep-24 12:59 PM] pxlfox.#0000 he's nobody, who pulls that off without giggling {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [27-Sep-24 12:59 PM] jvaler#0000 meme material cannot go unclaimed {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [27-Sep-24 12:59 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿค” [27-Sep-24 01:01 PM] jvaler#0000 new discord update has captured my only 3 reactions {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289285771479613461/image.png?ex=68150871&is=6813b6f1&hm=be35c8b1dc4c009fe87bfe4e5630af9e4c231b6f1a6de026846bfa334ff8ee1c& [27-Sep-24 01:01 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm very 2 dimensional lmao {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿค [27-Sep-24 01:07 PM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289287290308526141/image.png?ex=681509db&is=6813b85b&hm=9b657377991dc864c9e39b68d4ae327a607076efbc2c592e2af488318b7836f6& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [27-Sep-24 01:07 PM] jvaler#0000 lool {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† โœ… [27-Sep-24 01:08 PM] kynadre#0000 ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿคฃ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [27-Sep-24 01:09 PM] kynadre#0000 I learned something / I appreciate that, So much this, lmao {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [27-Sep-24 01:09 PM] kynadre#0000 figures {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [27-Sep-24 01:09 PM] kynadre#0000 it's text body language, basically {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [27-Sep-24 01:10 PM] kynadre#0000 hahaha [27-Sep-24 01:10 PM] pxlfox.#0000 mine has real dad vibes... {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [27-Sep-24 01:10 PM] jvaler#0000 laughing emojis are very dad vibes imo [27-Sep-24 01:11 PM] kynadre#0000 37F but love dad jokes, checks out [27-Sep-24 01:11 PM] pxlfox.#0000 the thumbs is litterly the only emoji my mother uses for EVERYTHING {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ ๐Ÿ‘ (4) [27-Sep-24 01:11 PM] kynadre#0000 "letting you know I read that" yeah, makes sense [27-Sep-24 01:12 PM] kynadre#0000 then you can catch her out "agreeing" with something as a prank :3 [27-Sep-24 01:12 PM] pxlfox.#0000 You could send here an essay about how great your day was [27-Sep-24 01:12 PM] pxlfox.#0000 and you get a single [27-Sep-24 01:12 PM] pxlfox.#0000 ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 01:12 PM] kynadre#0000 probably just too intimidating to write back on fatfinger phone keyboards... "Oh honey, I wish you would just call" [27-Sep-24 01:12 PM] kynadre#0000 *proceeds to never be available for calls because life* [27-Sep-24 01:18 PM] sidepipe#0000 i must agree a lot {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289290058947493968/image.png?ex=68150c6f&is=6813baef&hm=9b8a2ba4ef08d7efac642acc7e7065ad765fc60123196bc64bdc0900f137abd1& {Reactions} ๐Ÿค ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 01:21 PM] sidepipe#0000 at least she uses emoji. everytime I send my mom a text I get a reply like "Okay." or "That sounds very nice." I know what she means, but I've been conditioned by the internet to believe that a one-word reply with a full-stop means you've messed up [27-Sep-24 01:36 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Hmmm... Can I have some fun with this? I think, #yes-I-can. ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Sep-24 01:42 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ``` Mothers and daughters (do wit), give me a call as I'm (or you're) usually free, But be warned, that you shouldn't dither with a plea; All I want in life, is to be truly free, But that's because I'm usually in life's spree. ``` Read into it, what you want? My ear tingled with a rhyme, befitting the theme. ๐Ÿ˜› {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289296168156794921/Titian_-_Venus_and_Adonis_-_Rome_-_WGA22906.jpg?ex=68151220&is=6813c0a0&hm=b45f850bc447514cf5c6896afb1a2494f9c5e3388296ada287fe063df66add20& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [27-Sep-24 02:08 PM] kynadre#0000 love it [27-Sep-24 02:09 PM] kynadre#0000 I'd shorten because to cuz or 'cause since the last line is a big long on syllables, or "usually" to perhaps "caught up" [27-Sep-24 02:10 PM] kynadre#0000 think I'd knock usually off the first line, too [27-Sep-24 02:10 PM] kynadre#0000 such a syllable-heavy word [27-Sep-24 02:10 PM] kynadre#0000 and the "that" in the 2nd line, which is negated by the comma anyway, and knocking off the comma in the 3rd line ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Sep-24 02:11 PM] kynadre#0000 "My children, please, call as you're free, But be warned, don't dither with a plea; All I want is to be truly free, But that's cuz I'm caught up in life's spree" [27-Sep-24 02:12 PM] kynadre#0000 :pandaSlide: [27-Sep-24 02:15 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yeah, I've got like 1,500 pages of Greek Iambics to work through... Maybe I can get some sort of style, that fits with the modern English. I'm usually doing a rhyming free-form, with some whimsical selection of structure, but that's just a first pass, since I don't have much time to work on them rn. [27-Sep-24 02:19 PM] kynadre#0000 (I'm a certified proofreader, though I'm a lot more chill with my online writing than I could be) [27-Sep-24 02:19 PM] kynadre#0000 (I transcribe for a living, now) [27-Sep-24 02:21 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Of course, a couple sets of eyes looking over anything, does wonder.... You'd have like a better "Lore section" on the APEX wiki, if the devs would flick on the green light for community contributions. It's hard to come by though, with only like a handful of entries. I do keep the custom requests I've done for others, though... Regarding, say, VH-331c (Beanironia): ``` The stout and steadfast farmers of VH-331a, faced a dilemma in the near past, being troubled by the means of their toiling about, were brought to realize the nature of their caste. They drivelled amongst another: 'We labor all day and night, and we yield nothing short of a mountain of bean. Yet we grow dismal in our plight, as we have nothing else to improve our scene!'. And so a few lofty souls set out to VH-331c, deeming their goal as noble and worthy, to burn by fire, the exact thing with which they all desire. To convert by combustion, and to claim those trace metals of much need, bothering not to lend credit on any sensible heed. And so they dithered, and withered, for years on end, gaining very little to contribute towards what they wanted to extend. Through the effort, a few gave demur: 'We have none of this, yet all of that -- to where else shall we be cast?'. Yet under their feet by which they stood, lay an irony that is truly vast. ----------------------------------- There's a few morals actually shoved in there. Opportunity costs, of doing your thing efficiently, versus doing something inefficiently. Seeking input from others. Resource density concerns. Commodity t/m3 concerns, especially when shipping things over.... ``` {Reactions} โ™ฅ๏ธ [27-Sep-24 02:22 PM] kynadre#0000 #1 thing, and I don't mean it as an offense as I'm guilty, too, as are like 50%+ of English writers: when to comma, and when not to [27-Sep-24 02:23 PM] kynadre#0000 there is a veritable fountain of commas springing forth that doth make me suspect your comma key is half-sprung and on edge of breakage XDD โค๏ธ [27-Sep-24 02:23 PM] kynadre#0000 also, it'll significantly help with flow, which is the reason I bring it up :this: [27-Sep-24 02:26 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 When you enforce the "modern" standards, yes my comma usage is rather asinine, but I use the commas to enforce dependent clauses. It's hard to notice in text, since most are usually de-sensitised to the mountain of drivel that they read through each day. If I were to drop voice recordings here, it would be much more noticeable, regarding my intonation, and participle clauses for any set of ideas. [27-Sep-24 02:28 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I type as I would like to speak. It's rather drawn out in-text, and as such it is a poor-read. [27-Sep-24 02:28 PM] kynadre#0000 it also indicates that you're breaking mid-clause, and as a transcriber I can confirm that vocal styles are indeed punctuated differently by commas and periods than they are punctuated by breath verbally [27-Sep-24 02:28 PM] kynadre#0000 they are in fact two completely different sets of norms {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [27-Sep-24 02:28 PM] kynadre#0000 I was literally trained (and certified) in it ^^ [27-Sep-24 02:33 PM] kynadre#0000 not saying as a criticism or a brag; more as "I offer my assistance if desired" [27-Sep-24 02:34 PM] kynadre#0000 and if not desired, then I ๐Ÿค on it and no harm, no foul ^^ [27-Sep-24 02:36 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I wonder if any said vocalities, actually do go to the gym? A developed capacity for pleural capacity, could perhaps modify such tendencies? This of course is a #hard question, since you probably know very well the set of personages who do partake in the activities that you're interested in. But I'll state that almost the entirely of the Middle | Early - Modern English, is entirely dependent on abitrary declinations made evident in certain publications, which were then thoroughly published and advertised as a de-facto standard for a "modern" British Empire. Before that, much of the written, and spoken discourse, was entirely free-form, with emphasis on the sounded form of the words and sentences, rather than with any conventional style. I'm just old fashioned, and how I write just seems natural to me? :/ [27-Sep-24 02:38 PM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289310118940250133/94x3hn.png?ex=6814765e&is=681324de&hm=7ba346196d382811bc4d67a2393cc7885fb0eebf750a364b1e4878b211d3a45e& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [27-Sep-24 02:38 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yes. [27-Sep-24 02:39 PM] kynadre#0000 tropes on gym-goers ignores the general rule of thumb that the intelligent and successful, regardless of wealth, are more aware of the necessity of full-self care, which includes regular exercise of both mind AND body :2x23pngemoji: [27-Sep-24 02:40 PM] kynadre#0000 You're not old-fashioned, you're regularly inundated in previous communication styles which had different or even lacking standards whatsoever, and people made do with their best guesses (as, honestly, many of us still do) [27-Sep-24 02:40 PM] kynadre#0000 what we surround ourselves with tends to become our norm, too [27-Sep-24 02:45 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Ye. I'm usually straining my eyes in attempt to read the non-native English speakers, who message me on Steam... BUT as long as they can structure their syntax/grammatical logic in accord with the usual terms of the language, then I don't have any issues with it. You usually get the same things in America, or England (yes I'm making fun of y'all), mis-spellings, improper articulations, short-cuts in syntax or actual logic.. But it's all fine, imo, if the idea gets across. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 02:45 PM] evov#0000 I think there's 4 or 5 things that are un-naturally high because of my silly CX games. FIM isn't one of them. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 02:46 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It looks like we need some CXO order data, regarding what actually happened. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [27-Sep-24 02:47 PM] kynadre#0000 So much this. If people can't read without something being perfect, or they'll mock an extremely good idea for being written slightly sub-par, it makes me question THEIR intelligence far more than the writers'. Good ideas are worth gold. The rest is just details [27-Sep-24 02:48 PM] kynadre#0000 Can you see the actual order history on CX? [27-Sep-24 02:48 PM] getonthetrain#0000 I'll be leaving Hortus in about 3 hours if you want to send a contract to ship FIM to ant 150t/150m avail [27-Sep-24 02:48 PM] evov#0000 Its like 6am Sat morning here, haven't jumped into the game yet. What markets are getting smashed? I might have some passive reserves handy. [27-Sep-24 02:48 PM] kynadre#0000 seems somebody's indy line is having a spicy ramen eating contest [27-Sep-24 02:48 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Just don't delete your weekly order histories, and you can view who bought/sold what. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 02:48 PM] kynadre#0000 got slurped out of market [27-Sep-24 02:49 PM] razenpok#0000 I'll skip this time, out of cash for MM games [27-Sep-24 02:49 PM] getonthetrain#0000 heck, someone loan me some more ICA and we'll split the profit then [27-Sep-24 02:50 PM] razenpok#0000 Or actually... [27-Sep-24 02:50 PM] razenpok#0000 Okay, I'll send you a shipping cont in a moment {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 02:53 PM] evov#0000 I mean, what kind of amateur only buys out the fim from 1 cx? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289313885102542898/image.png?ex=681479e0&is=68132860&hm=a45bfb096908183abbd624c446703e5071d6acbaa952faa23f26b8d311955ec9& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† ๐Ÿคฃ [27-Sep-24 02:53 PM] jcheung#0000 that's what i said {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [27-Sep-24 02:55 PM] evov#0000 that should stop it from getting empty at least. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289314473215000628/image.png?ex=68147a6c&is=681328ec&hm=bff63daf7ca6810cf6deb2e12715b382e762a5c98616572b4e234e8d846ad526& [27-Sep-24 02:55 PM] jcheung#0000 also i don't understand why they ramped it up to 4k in one market [27-Sep-24 02:55 PM] jcheung#0000 HRT is so close they could have done 3k in both markets and had plenty of time to have it shipped in [27-Sep-24 02:58 PM] evov#0000 Maybe the market just got naturally low and it wasn't any intentful action? [27-Sep-24 02:59 PM] razenpok#0000 ^ it was probably 3k when they bought out, and only one 5.5k order remained {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 03:00 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Currency limitations seem like the likely culprit. If so you're looking at a potential of a limited CX activity operator, who needed something fast into a few weeks ahead, who just couldn't bother with slow FX exchange metrics. 15-20 permits perhaps? CX natural lows are a consideration, but we're having constant influxes of newbros every week, for several months now..... An ideal market correction is likely at hand. There's just little market on the actual order completions. [27-Sep-24 03:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 i put negative effort into this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289315726880014356/image.png?ex=68147b97&is=68132a17&hm=dc3c6ebf124698a73e522f4b96e4c27a4feb824662b56799bb6be3b8e6c8e862& {Reactions} pepega [27-Sep-24 03:00 PM] razenpok#0000 btw that's a lot of money ๐Ÿ’€ [27-Sep-24 03:00 PM] evov#0000 When I feel like playing sillyCX games - it looks more like this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289315783238746114/image.png?ex=68147ba5&is=68132a25&hm=f8d36eee4f9b1d352252f8196683827f9edc74bd9922700f8f900ac86b85b549& [27-Sep-24 03:00 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yeah I don't touch that POP tier, for reasons. ๐Ÿ˜› [27-Sep-24 03:01 PM] evov#0000 Oh... WIN price is high... maybe we should make more? Quick, lets go buy some GRA and REA and start production! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289316071752601630/image.png?ex=68147be9&is=68132a69&hm=8ff403866a97453e7ecfb9f1764a56a600ebf2915d0df0de2c221351117bc669& [27-Sep-24 03:02 PM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289316179046830213/image.png?ex=68147c03&is=68132a83&hm=9d08f5b002f1f7755e5328042c8f4f367f2d9374d692dfa0d7382515f3185224& [27-Sep-24 03:08 PM] evov#0000 I'm sure it'll correct itself over the next week or two. Both REA and GRA have very very low impact on anything other than WIN, so I don't feel bad in the slightest since 90% of it only impacts IDC money printers. {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [27-Sep-24 03:09 PM] sidepipe#0000 well, guess I get to put off OLF production for another week ๐Ÿ˜› [27-Sep-24 03:11 PM] evov#0000 or just use different materials to provide pop upkeep [27-Sep-24 03:12 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Most of the SST | INF | PAR upkeeps, are largely determined with DW, and OFF. [27-Sep-24 03:12 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If you use "better" mats, you're likely going to pay the cost of them. [27-Sep-24 03:13 PM] kynadre#0000 I'm wondering if IDC is an actual product or "I don't care" acronym... thanks, PRUN, for completely changing how I view acronyms in your Discords [27-Sep-24 03:13 PM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289319052862423193/image.png?ex=68147eb0&is=68132d30&hm=174b78fd12a8eb9c53e66ca65cb4a541ce7f95da9be5f2561fffda144e913669& [27-Sep-24 03:13 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You shouldn't read too much into my memes on UFO Discord, as they're likely to change your perceptions of things XD {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [27-Sep-24 03:14 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Evov is a "by the metrics" kind of guy... SLs have outpaced SEs, for quite a number of months, not just on basic PP ROIs, but also in capital densities, that get churned over by the week. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 03:14 PM] evov#0000 Actual product, but it's use as something that only gets used to sell to the market makers.... means you can imply plenty of things with it I guess. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 03:15 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Blame the lame R-fab turnovers on the markets, for reasons that I have stated via UFO and elsewhere. [27-Sep-24 03:15 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 And others, btw. [27-Sep-24 03:16 PM] evov#0000 There's no blame (other than on the DEV's for allowing such a silly thing to be in the game). Players gonna play. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [27-Sep-24 03:17 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Eve Online had an economist on their payroll for years.. After that Korean Game Developer bought out CCP, I think that guy got fired? Lolz. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [27-Sep-24 03:19 PM] kynadre#0000 Yep, and everything went sideways after that... and sliding downhill with the devs kicking and screaming against fixing problems actual RL economists in the player base are warning them about [27-Sep-24 03:19 PM] kynadre#0000 it's really sad to see how much we have to fight against the devs to keep the game from getting worse in nonsensical ways [27-Sep-24 03:20 PM] kynadre#0000 well, more like upper management; there's a lot of passionate devs who're trying, trying... [27-Sep-24 03:20 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yeah. Most of any real economics issue just returns to the dynamics of production and consumption (capital investments ftw)... If they try to rely on arbitrary currency valuations, then they're just using some middle-man, to evaluate their I/O functions. It's not a good idea, and it's why I'm rather hard leaning on the #real metrics of say this new gateway stuff. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 03:26 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Prun devs are actually doing a good job for the most part. They have limited funding, and they want to keep in-game content rolling into the future, and with the gateway possibilities, you're looking at tangible cost cutting, regarding player realities. Of course, there's significant "investment considerations" at play, but if those things are just rendered to "on-principle" returns, you'll then be looking at significant operational realities, in like 1-2 years. Most of the current FTL shipbuilding has been had within the same period. When me, Evov, or others were first diddling with Prun... There was nothing of the sort available for purchase @ UFO, or elsewhere, aside from GTUs pilot programs. Prun is a **very** long-term game. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 03:29 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Of course... I have 32 STL ships situated at the CXs for quite some time already. I'm easily keen, and ready, to start making use of any gateway routes that are made available. However I installed those STLs, on the basis of the alpha-universe gameplay (we're in beta), wherein CX localisation of production activity was the key not only for profitability, but also for tangibility (shipping requirements). {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Sep-24 03:30 PM] laaxus#0000 I Can give you the name of one player that bought fim at 3k [27-Sep-24 03:30 PM] laaxus#0000 One moment [27-Sep-24 03:30 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 #do-it [27-Sep-24 03:31 PM] laaxus#0000 Lazysiege [27-Sep-24 03:31 PM] laaxus#0000 Bought 720fim at 3k from me [27-Sep-24 03:32 PM] evov#0000 Recent rfab buys from him indicate setting up a lot of Engineer level buildings. So that makes sense. [27-Sep-24 03:32 PM] evov#0000 Or is just doing the shopping on behalf of a group [27-Sep-24 03:32 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 CO LC a pure Electronics COGC user, If i ever seen one as such. [27-Sep-24 03:33 PM] laaxus#0000 Is he just doing idc ? [27-Sep-24 03:33 PM] evov#0000 IDC uses MEA to feed their people [27-Sep-24 03:33 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 SE or SL... I don't want to dig into like 1200+ PLI buffers just to figure that out for you. [27-Sep-24 03:33 PM] evov#0000 EDC (the younger brother) uses FIM - much cheaper to set up, but less $/Area [27-Sep-24 03:34 PM] laaxus#0000 But same roi iirc ? [27-Sep-24 03:34 PM] evov#0000 No idea, no-one cares about RoI when your permits start costing 50mil. [27-Sep-24 03:34 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's more capital invensive, rather than dollar figures... The dollar figures feed into the ROIs... all dependent on active CX factors. [27-Sep-24 03:37 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Permit investment is a thing as well. But if you're going to be logging in, for years... That stuff is just an operational inconvenience. It's a good metric to tender to those youths in Prun... But after several years of profitable gains compounding themselves.... It just turns into a daily churn. [27-Sep-24 03:49 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 #Hazy_Fuzz? Maybe. You've got several "margin" enthusiasts who are keen on the EDC/IDC revenues. There's others who are potentially more quiet regarding their operational goals, regarding those things. But what you usually get, is an immediately "liquefied" commodity, which you can easily transport to a CX | Currency of interest, within 1-2 days, which will likely net you such liquidity, at better rates, than what the FX market can absorb on a weekly basis. I've done the analysis for a friend, maybe 2 months ago. Maybe one of you can retort against me, with better info as to why peeps are doing the EDC/IDC.... But I'm usually of the opinion that you can sink serious capital into those operations easily, and it'll net you healthy operational revenues (from capital investment #s via PP, or some other solution * daily profit proceeds). But you'll get better ROIs/turnovers with most PIO | SET processes... You'll get better margins with whatever remains of the PIO |SET processes... You'll get much better margins, but lower turnovers on the higher stuff... And everything else in-between, will depend on how fast you can move your production, on the CX, and also through private contracts. [27-Sep-24 03:50 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Evov plopped like 5 days ago why they needed to get into EDC | IDC stuff. They needed the operational revenue.. It's the traditional argument for such things. [27-Sep-24 03:52 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 We're like what? 700+ days in-game... The arguments for EDC | IDC, were originally conceived within the confines of private interest groups, some -650 days after that. It's "been a long road"? [27-Sep-24 03:52 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6bumUQwQIU {Embed} capefear56 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6bumUQwQIU Russel Watson - Faith of the Heart Music Video https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/yoGIdwbSmPhG9ErTF7kwUeQ-kYOclAryOKWBe2hp-Lk/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/M6bumUQwQIU/maxresdefault.jpg [27-Sep-24 04:18 PM] jvaler#0000 grumble grumble [27-Sep-24 04:18 PM] evov#0000 Don't look at me, I didn't buy it all out [27-Sep-24 04:19 PM] evov#0000 I'm just storing my personal use supply on the CX until the problem fixes itself. [27-Sep-24 04:19 PM] evov#0000 The WIN however . . . what can I say, I get thirsty sometimes {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289335736448847924/WINe.jpg?ex=68148e3a&is=68133cba&hm=f611c11facabdb158bd1d47d6ddc4f6af53eb865ddae2d3fe2f73f3f1f330768& [27-Sep-24 04:42 PM] jvaler#0000 coulda let me try and sell off my 203 tho ๐Ÿ˜ฟ [27-Sep-24 04:43 PM] evov#0000 Oh, sorry I'll change it [27-Sep-24 04:43 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm kidding lol it's fine [27-Sep-24 04:43 PM] evov#0000 its ok already fxt [27-Sep-24 04:44 PM] jvaler#0000 it'll just go to rogana- well alr [27-Sep-24 04:44 PM] jvaler#0000 ty =) [28-Sep-24 12:40 PM] tanda#0000 @finestone hey you've got your sell contracts in CIS {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289643005451436123/image.png?ex=681503a4&is=6813b224&hm=c03da63a70f82f4aff407fd32616b9946c339ba68768a24dac7528fa0a2250f6& [28-Sep-24 07:26 PM] finestone#0000 https://tenor.com/view/thats-great-gif-11616648 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/thats-great-gif-11616648 thats great https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/b63qPTLRVr3EV6zunq46MyP9gWlCMxJiBlDDMyNtL08/https/media.tenor.com/bKpJSPF98oIAAAAe/thats-great.png [28-Sep-24 07:29 PM] finestone#0000 Thanks for the heads up i fixed it [28-Sep-24 07:29 PM] tanda#0000 no problem! [28-Sep-24 07:29 PM] tanda#0000 contracts that good shouldn't sit around [28-Sep-24 07:30 PM] finestone#0000 I would have been annoyed if someone payed me in CIS too XD [28-Sep-24 07:31 PM] finestone#0000 Any ETA on INS? [28-Sep-24 07:40 PM] tanda#0000 9 hour flight time, but I'm not setting an alarm for 2am, so probably 14? [28-Sep-24 08:52 PM] finestone#0000 understood thanks! [28-Sep-24 11:23 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 #Shit-posting upon #shit-posts... I believe that I've achieved a level of #meta-posting that few will be able to replicate... However, there is still a level of #foreshadowing, that is yet to still be had, all dependent upon your Prun Dev cycles. Sooner... Later... Maybe? Reshuffles are expected, as I'm not expecting current Dev efforts to be warranting any sort of #universe-wipe anytime soon, for like a decade?!? Yet, they will eventually come. :/ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289804744755380234/Screenshot_from_2024-09-28_22-57-34.png?ex=6814f186&is=6813a006&hm=656c9d248bcc5908639fdb687529d0f18460232443b7f6ed08bb06b02a29665d& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289804745074020403/Screenshot_from_2024-09-28_23-18-28.png?ex=6814f186&is=6813a006&hm=0ab6be5382b6e1c1c6c0e382e4cd47fb70795fadf6859aba2f503c1e6caad35b& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289804745489383518/Screenshot_from_2024-09-28_23-18-50.png?ex=6814f186&is=6813a006&hm=368213fc70b22616196171730cd14b1484bfc22e30b4168e0bc2c002ccf32756& [29-Sep-24 11:38 AM] kynadre#0000 Man it's really nice that these regular NPC contracts keep putting out building parts... when I calc the values they're always worth my time {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [29-Sep-24 11:52 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289993235216732160/image.png?ex=6814f852&is=6813a6d2&hm=df674d55736339f528f6842666fe1b5d5d460e30b75a8789f9ab3a1f937bd60c& [29-Sep-24 11:52 AM] tanda#0000 anyone else see this? [29-Sep-24 11:53 AM] laaxus#0000 what's the issue ? [29-Sep-24 11:53 AM] laaxus#0000 I have the same [29-Sep-24 11:56 AM] tanda#0000 I'm just seeing a lack of supply in the market [29-Sep-24 11:57 AM] laaxus#0000 as long as the ove suppliers have their own supply of rco [29-Sep-24 11:57 AM] laaxus#0000 it doesn't bother me [29-Sep-24 11:57 AM] marat_sh#0000 I bought 20 yesterday... I am sorry ๐Ÿฅฒ [29-Sep-24 11:58 AM] razenpok#0000 How about this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1289994770302763110/image.png?ex=6814f9c0&is=6813a840&hm=f6bac3da63e258f8cf28ac0a8571eb11e3b6dee74db87b5bac3afa6b39f5cf78& [29-Sep-24 11:59 AM] tanda#0000 some things are getting a bit thin on the market, I guess [29-Sep-24 11:59 AM] razenpok#0000 You RCOrrect {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [29-Sep-24 12:01 PM] kynadre#0000 also lol at "hairyballsploppedmenacingly"; do the devs have any policies against nasty names? {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [29-Sep-24 12:07 PM] igfloz#0000 It's the only reason I farm RCO [29-Sep-24 12:07 PM] laaxus#0000 ofcourse you do, that's the only thing you can do with rco [29-Sep-24 12:07 PM] igfloz#0000 indeed [29-Sep-24 12:10 PM] igfloz#0000 ...well, you have to spin some COT for PWO ๐Ÿ™‚ [29-Sep-24 12:11 PM] marat_sh#0000 and MED [29-Sep-24 12:12 PM] laaxus#0000 there's lot of cot supply tho [29-Sep-24 12:13 PM] igfloz#0000 Haven't looked at MED. The COT I feel is similar to NL, overpriced !! [29-Sep-24 12:14 PM] marat_sh#0000 or RCO is underpriced [29-Sep-24 12:16 PM] tanda#0000 I think RCO is underpriced {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [29-Sep-24 12:16 PM] igfloz#0000 I figure its just the real lack of supply / demand for both is partly to blame, not massive stocks on the CX [29-Sep-24 12:42 PM] marat_sh#0000 well that's what happend when people get used to vertical integration {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [29-Sep-24 12:44 PM] kynadre#0000 Exactly this. The real demand is hidden because players fulfilled it themselves when they'd much rather use those bases for something else [29-Sep-24 12:45 PM] marat_sh#0000 it kinda make sense right now Since there aren't that many players and instead of waiting people make it themselves [29-Sep-24 12:45 PM] marat_sh#0000 so it kinda grew into it [29-Sep-24 12:45 PM] marat_sh#0000 BUT with more new players it will start changing soon ish [29-Sep-24 12:46 PM] laaxus#0000 Not really [29-Sep-24 12:46 PM] laaxus#0000 Vertical means selling at ask [29-Sep-24 12:47 PM] laaxus#0000 + because of permit limit, you have to diversify cogc if you want to stay in one faction space {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [29-Sep-24 12:47 PM] laaxus#0000 In that case, might as well do vertical [29-Sep-24 12:48 PM] laaxus#0000 I hate permit limit tbh [29-Sep-24 12:50 PM] marat_sh#0000 I haven't played EVE so I don't know if they have a 'permit limit' or something similar to not allow you to grow exponentially [29-Sep-24 01:08 PM] laaxus#0000 Just make the settling cost grow with the number of base in the planet [29-Sep-24 01:09 PM] laaxus#0000 But allow players to have Infinite permit on the planet [29-Sep-24 01:14 PM] marat_sh#0000 plus I can't really think about any other player driven economy games [29-Sep-24 01:16 PM] manhim#0000 There is a limit on the amount of stuff you can build at any point in time, but nothing limiting you by location. [29-Sep-24 01:17 PM] marat_sh#0000 so like a global queue? [29-Sep-24 01:17 PM] manhim#0000 Yeah, kinda [29-Sep-24 01:17 PM] marat_sh#0000 Interesting ๐Ÿค” [29-Sep-24 01:18 PM] manhim#0000 And once you maxed the skills, you cannot grow that amount. That's when bigger producers start paying for more alt accounts. [29-Sep-24 01:19 PM] manhim#0000 (which is allowed in Eve) [29-Sep-24 01:19 PM] marat_sh#0000 What stops IRL companies to exponentially expand? [29-Sep-24 01:22 PM] manhim#0000 Laws and regulations [29-Sep-24 01:23 PM] manhim#0000 Mainly around antitrust [29-Sep-24 01:24 PM] manhim#0000 Also, logistics and realism [29-Sep-24 01:25 PM] marat_sh#0000 Interesting... but I do think current permit limit is kinda small [29-Sep-24 01:30 PM] jvaler#0000 wait really? i thought it was against the rules but conveniently ignored so they can make more money from subscriptions [29-Sep-24 01:31 PM] manhim#0000 You cannot multibox or use any kind of automation, but it's ok as long as each orders/actions are inputted manually {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [29-Sep-24 01:31 PM] jvaler#0000 huh okay [29-Sep-24 01:31 PM] kynadre#0000 it's very well known for industry and mining players (like myself) to have multiple accounts active at the same time and tab through them to apply individual orders [29-Sep-24 01:32 PM] kynadre#0000 as long as you're not using macros or software to duplicate commands across multiple accounts at once, or make commands for you automatically, it's okay. You just have to get really comfortable with swapping between screens basically constantly yourself XD [29-Sep-24 01:32 PM] kynadre#0000 mining and industry in Eve really couldn't function without it tbh [29-Sep-24 01:33 PM] kynadre#0000 there's nowhere near enough industry-inclined players to meet the needs of the PVP players if everyone only single-boxed [29-Sep-24 01:33 PM] manhim#0000 It could, but would require rebalancing cause you'd lose like 60 to 80% of all mining inputs ๐Ÿคฃ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [29-Sep-24 01:39 PM] marat_sh#0000 so I guess you can't infinitly grow since there is limited throughput for mining [29-Sep-24 01:40 PM] manhim#0000 You can't cause you can only build 10 things at once at any point in time. [29-Sep-24 01:40 PM] manhim#0000 Except if you pay for like hundreds of accounts [29-Sep-24 01:42 PM] manhim#0000 Also, on Eve, space is much bigger, so logistics are a much more difficult constraint on time spent. And you can only have 1 ship transporting stuff per accounts at a time. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [29-Sep-24 01:42 PM] manhim#0000 You're also vulnerable to pirates all along the way [29-Sep-24 01:42 PM] kynadre#0000 there's also the high risk of PVP when shipping is involved, as well as the chance of threats to your stations where you've got production, as well as your mining operations [29-Sep-24 01:42 PM] kynadre#0000 yeah, not just NPC pirates but player pirates [29-Sep-24 01:43 PM] kynadre#0000 also competitive player groups who want your space and the resources in it [29-Sep-24 01:43 PM] kynadre#0000 stuffing your ship to the gills is a great way to lose months worth of work [29-Sep-24 01:43 PM] manhim#0000 Yeah, building super capital takes over 1 month at a single location that can be blown to pieces by anyone motivated enough {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [29-Sep-24 01:43 PM] laaxus#0000 yeah, I wouldn't like eve [29-Sep-24 01:44 PM] kynadre#0000 It's been fantastic for me learning to gauge and adapt to risk, learn what I can do to protect myself, and network with other players [29-Sep-24 01:44 PM] kynadre#0000 but if I'm not in the mood to handle risk I don't let myself log in [29-Sep-24 01:44 PM] manhim#0000 "Never undock with something you're afraid to lose" {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [29-Sep-24 01:45 PM] kynadre#0000 the kind of cooperation and collaboration that happens out of necessity is fantastic, though [29-Sep-24 01:45 PM] manhim#0000 I don't play Eve anymore cause of that, was tired of moving my operations around every summer wars ๐Ÿคฃ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [29-Sep-24 01:45 PM] jvaler#0000 > And you can only have 1 ship transporting stuff per accounts at a time. blasphemous [29-Sep-24 01:46 PM] jvaler#0000 how do y'all live [29-Sep-24 01:46 PM] kynadre#0000 per account... so people will have an army of accounts hauling at the same time with the aforementioned alt-tab technique ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-Sep-24 01:46 PM] manhim#0000 It can be done fast with jump freighters. [29-Sep-24 01:46 PM] jvaler#0000 are they paying for each of those accounts? [29-Sep-24 01:46 PM] jcheung#0000 i'll just never undock ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-Sep-24 01:46 PM] kynadre#0000 you can sub the accounts with in-game currency [29-Sep-24 01:46 PM] kynadre#0000 and a lot of those operations are profitable enough that they'll far more than sustain their account cost [29-Sep-24 01:47 PM] kynadre#0000 when I go dedicatedly mining for a month it'll cover the cost of my miners for half a year [29-Sep-24 01:47 PM] manhim#0000 Yeah, with supercaps I could pay for like 6 accounts {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [29-Sep-24 01:47 PM] manhim#0000 But when people would blow my house down, it was a few months before I could restart again {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [29-Sep-24 01:48 PM] kynadre#0000 and that's where collaboration comes in to play, to work together with other players to build a bigger, more protected house, work together to defend it, do diplo with neighbors to be friends instead of food (or make consequences of hunting not worth their time) [29-Sep-24 01:48 PM] kynadre#0000 it's a fantastic showcase into human nature tbh [29-Sep-24 01:48 PM] kynadre#0000 also frightening in that regard [29-Sep-24 01:48 PM] marat_sh#0000 good thing we don't have pvp [29-Sep-24 01:49 PM] marat_sh#0000 BUT I would love to see IRS as an enemy in the game [29-Sep-24 01:49 PM] kynadre#0000 In a way we do with the marketplace competition, to be fair [29-Sep-24 01:49 PM] kynadre#0000 guarantee you this game's got a whole slew of "market PVP" [29-Sep-24 01:49 PM] manhim#0000 PvP is a good sink though that creates industrial opportunities. At least for how Eve was designed {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [29-Sep-24 01:49 PM] kynadre#0000 destruction necessitates creation, creation necessitates destruction, indeed [29-Sep-24 01:49 PM] kynadre#0000 esp. when a game doesn't have durability / replacement over time as natural factors [29-Sep-24 01:51 PM] manhim#0000 Yeah, but I don't think that this same approach could work with PRUN, unless the PvP is more in the form of automated buys from NPCs that gain more momentum the more people trade with them or something. [29-Sep-24 01:52 PM] kynadre#0000 PVP is "player vs. player" by definition [29-Sep-24 01:52 PM] manhim#0000 EvE then :p [29-Sep-24 01:52 PM] manhim#0000 (Technically PvP cause the players are the ones running the momentum) [29-Sep-24 01:52 PM] kynadre#0000 so competition over marketplace domination, squabbling over who gets the sale or how a planet will be COGC'd, the war of votes over various planetary bonuses & leadership, vertical integration to cut out middlemen [29-Sep-24 01:53 PM] kynadre#0000 when you reframe it as "competition" there's a lot of it without direct combat [29-Sep-24 01:56 PM] marat_sh#0000 you can set a fees on planets to set a base ๐Ÿ‘€ [29-Sep-24 01:56 PM] marat_sh#0000 "capture" the planet kinda [29-Sep-24 01:56 PM] kynadre#0000 I remember seeing there's at least one planet out there with heavy penalties to settlers and pioneers [29-Sep-24 01:56 PM] kynadre#0000 they're like, "nope eff off, this is mine" [29-Sep-24 01:56 PM] kynadre#0000 a high base settlement fee, too [29-Sep-24 02:03 PM] marat_sh#0000 woops my finger slipped {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1290026097316073562/image.png?ex=681516ed&is=6813c56d&hm=e753dbe083d95f48a2e73c44f7bbf05caa08db6bee55ea28d03327558c67ad47& [29-Sep-24 02:03 PM] kynadre#0000 lol [29-Sep-24 02:34 PM] tanda#0000 Glad I already got some for me [29-Sep-24 02:34 PM] tanda#0000 Now relist at 3k [29-Sep-24 02:35 PM] marat_sh#0000 I will... in COT instead of RCO ๐Ÿ˜… [29-Sep-24 10:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 errr what? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1290152571071107113/Screenshot_2024-09-29_202446.png?ex=6814e3f6&is=68139276&hm=80d46ea7cf68204027c0a9bcced0317440907eb79d9642c1ef578f31f70d12a2& [29-Sep-24 10:27 PM] tanda#0000 uhm, why am I #4 [29-Sep-24 11:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [30-Sep-24 02:41 AM] razenpok#0000 Ok, I think my job as SEA producer is done ๐Ÿซก {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1290216981814837289/image.png?ex=68147733&is=681325b3&hm=eef103df87ab14e24a11e9259267f4f7f5e10a89dec7c1e67ac50fd302a48cb8& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [30-Sep-24 04:30 AM] laaxus#0000 o7 [30-Sep-24 08:27 AM] iloveplayingsolaro#0000 I am still so confused about this server. Can anyone explain this server in full detail? [30-Sep-24 08:29 AM] iloveplayingsolaro#0000 https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-13719248636774070662 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-13719248636774070662 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/fzGihWUQhProxEMz99hlfaglGX7k-A_ZCvkqmPoQSe0/https/media.tenor.com/vmSP8owuOYYAAAAe/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin.png [30-Sep-24 08:29 AM] scorpy6225#0000 Cheaper stuff good deals and might come across someone giving away a base [30-Sep-24 08:30 AM] scorpy6225#0000 And good connections [30-Sep-24 08:30 AM] jvaler#0000 basically what it says on the tin, though maybe you didn't find us through the UFO recruitment board? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1290304771785494569/image.png?ex=6814c8f6&is=68137776&hm=11d51060e76dfd81553d4e46d2d23cb54491fff2845ef4fb45e671748b2ca800& [30-Sep-24 08:33 AM] iloveplayingsolaro#0000 What are "Coordinated production projects"? [30-Sep-24 08:35 AM] jvaler#0000 stuff like #ppp-information, #kevin-information, or #psk-information [30-Sep-24 08:35 AM] jvaler#0000 there's not that many projects running currently [30-Sep-24 08:41 AM] iloveplayingsolaro#0000 Me now : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1290307423646646282/My_brain.jpg?ex=6814cb6e&is=681379ee&hm=b379ac18d1baac14492acbd910fda95a429a97314125df5a1509a64cf45c05e6& [30-Sep-24 08:43 AM] iloveplayingsolaro#0000 Any corporation that wants me to join? [30-Sep-24 08:58 AM] jvaler#0000 they don't hang around ADI looking for recruits :P go ask in UFO [30-Sep-24 10:56 AM] avalock#0000 if youโ€™re a furry PAW is open but we donโ€™t have an HQ [30-Sep-24 10:56 AM] avalock#0000 wruff woof [30-Sep-24 02:54 PM] sleep_unique#0000 I'm gonna get pro, is there a referral code or something anyone would like me to use? [30-Sep-24 02:54 PM] igfloz#0000 I think I have some... dm me [30-Sep-24 03:04 PM] igfloz#0000 ...also open for new players. I have codes to give (I think many others can also generate codes) - I think it only works for very new players tho. I have had instances where codes haven't worked in the past {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [30-Sep-24 03:05 PM] tanda#0000 It seems to be once per account and doesn't work if you have basic [30-Sep-24 03:06 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Well I got mine, thanks @igfloz {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [30-Sep-24 03:06 PM] igfloz#0000 yeah, I figured you can't repeat - didn't know about basic tho [30-Sep-24 03:07 PM] igfloz#0000 I was wondering if there was a problem for steam players vs web players [30-Sep-24 03:41 PM] pxlfox.#0000 ~~are there chemistry cogc planets in antares?~~ dont mind me, just too dumb to use the planet search tool of PP [01-Oct-24 05:23 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Codes work for anyone, but they don't confer automatic TRIAL --> PRO --> BASIC conversions after the period ends. [01-Oct-24 05:24 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 All the codes I gave, got generated and given out, same day, and slurped by those who wanted them. [01-Oct-24 10:55 AM] riseoffilth#0000 TIL I have 16k SEA on market {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [01-Oct-24 11:34 AM] jcheung#0000 "damnit i just bought all that SEA and i could have just delisted it" {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [02-Oct-24 07:42 PM] tanda#0000 Gotta love how impossible it is to quantify this base {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1291198597999890453/image.png?ex=6814bda7&is=68136c27&hm=4127baff8882747066b7fd07b919cd1d7b34f6090ae5e52edc8220046c399800& [02-Oct-24 07:42 PM] tanda#0000 this base was literally making -360k per day yesterday [02-Oct-24 07:42 PM] tanda#0000 now it makes me more money than Malahat [02-Oct-24 07:44 PM] kynadre#0000 jeez [02-Oct-24 07:45 PM] tanda#0000 it's what happens when the product it produces isn't on the market, and now the material it consumes isn't on the market [02-Oct-24 07:46 PM] kynadre#0000 ahh [02-Oct-24 07:57 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1291202458877694003/image.png?ex=6814c13f&is=68136fbf&hm=1e704158600d35ace3efa9df27c90e148ef6dcaa6e3202c0178c7299c01db990& [02-Oct-24 07:57 PM] tanda#0000 Lowstrife is right, SCN is super high right now, you can make 20k per day per EDM [02-Oct-24 08:08 PM] kynadre#0000 ooh [02-Oct-24 08:08 PM] kynadre#0000 and it's actually in demand, like, people need it at a good rate? [02-Oct-24 08:08 PM] kynadre#0000 that's the part I'm learning how to read with the tools I've got [02-Oct-24 08:09 PM] kynadre#0000 esp. since so many CX listings are "free storage" or super lowballs [02-Oct-24 08:20 PM] tanda#0000 it is a higher tier good, so demand can be slow but bursty {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Oct-24 08:20 PM] tanda#0000 think of it like PT or REP [02-Oct-24 08:21 PM] tanda#0000 and there's a reason why I only had 3 of them on PRUN planner, lol [02-Oct-24 08:21 PM] kynadre#0000 Ahh okay [02-Oct-24 08:21 PM] tanda#0000 double the EDMs there and you could probably swamp most of the CX's {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Oct-24 08:21 PM] kynadre#0000 Yeah all this stuff is new to me, but it's such good stuff to learn [02-Oct-24 08:22 PM] kynadre#0000 can see how the separate currencies also throw a very interesting curveball into it [02-Oct-24 08:22 PM] tanda#0000 not as large as you might think? there's a lot of players will exchange currencies free of charge {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Oct-24 08:24 PM] tanda#0000 not to mention, once you have a presence in other CXs, you just do import export {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Oct-24 08:24 PM] tanda#0000 got a bunch of money in one CX's currency? Next time you're out that way bring a bunch of PE home {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Oct-24 08:24 PM] kynadre#0000 That makes sense [02-Oct-24 08:24 PM] kynadre#0000 a bit of juggling between local specialties with a few extra trips [02-Oct-24 08:24 PM] jcheung#0000 or just ask if anyone wants to exchange [02-Oct-24 08:24 PM] kynadre#0000 or putting buy orders elsewhere for once [02-Oct-24 08:24 PM] kynadre#0000 yeah [02-Oct-24 08:24 PM] kynadre#0000 neat [02-Oct-24 08:24 PM] jcheung#0000 a lot of people will do a 1:1 exchange [02-Oct-24 08:25 PM] kynadre#0000 That's good, seems values are basically equal, it's just the logistics of it [02-Oct-24 08:25 PM] jcheung#0000 it's basically equal because people are lazy [02-Oct-24 08:25 PM] jcheung#0000 and there's no ingame mechanical incentive to do otherwise {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Oct-24 08:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean AIC is the stonkest of stonk currencies [02-Oct-24 08:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Should be worth the most [02-Oct-24 08:26 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm not at all bringing IDC from MOR back to ANT ๐Ÿ‘€ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [02-Oct-24 08:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 We can forgive you for your sins [02-Oct-24 08:29 PM] tanda#0000 I've been thinking about getting another IDC base [02-Oct-24 08:32 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-upset-star-wars-revenge-of-the-sith-gif-19823085 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-upset-star-wars-revenge-of-the-sith-gif-19823085 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/-VJCjwgwAQ6vTaRDc7u87tstZr5zh3rlo638HqES_vw/https/media.tenor.com/pzlSGWPmFncAAAAe/obi-wan-upset.png [02-Oct-24 08:32 PM] tanda#0000 hey, how else am I going to get the funds to start donating to the AGP? [02-Oct-24 08:33 PM] marat_sh#0000 :true: [02-Oct-24 08:34 PM] jcheung#0000 i've started making MEA ๐Ÿ‘€ [02-Oct-24 08:36 PM] tanda#0000 I've thought about doing FIM now that I'm making RAT [02-Oct-24 08:42 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Mmmm, yummy BRM [02-Oct-24 08:45 PM] getonthetrain#0000 https://tenor.com/view/pacman-video-game-eating-marshmallow-gif-6008098 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/pacman-video-game-eating-marshmallow-gif-6008098 video juego de pacman https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/MxASURoMn6_lOqATeip26Fg420SDWipI9yijoAlc6WE/https/media.tenor.com/4MALNxOjDYEAAAAe/pacman-video-game.png [02-Oct-24 08:45 PM] getonthetrain#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1291214417144582254/image.png?ex=6814cc62&is=68137ae2&hm=0ede068babb6195fee0449c1fb4a6d13437b15cc7f3ff59b37f417b4b55b9740& [02-Oct-24 08:47 PM] jcheung#0000 trade you MEA for FIM ๐Ÿ‘€ [02-Oct-24 08:49 PM] tanda#0000 I don't use MEA yet, lol. I would need around a 20mil loan to even start up an IDC base [02-Oct-24 08:49 PM] jcheung#0000 i hear some shrewd fella has a lot of money kicking around [02-Oct-24 08:49 PM] jcheung#0000 ...when they're back from vacation [02-Oct-24 08:55 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 AriesNation and Papi2Caca above you are both feeding my CHP base ๐Ÿ˜… I consume like 600/d at least {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [02-Oct-24 08:55 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Nom nom nom [02-Oct-24 08:55 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I need to rope in one more partner for my CHP base too [02-Oct-24 08:56 PM] tanda#0000 but that can wait until there's actually pop for that [02-Oct-24 08:57 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Yeah. It's a pretty easy base to rebalance base on how much BRM I can get, but I'm making mostly REA right now and could easily consume 2 full base making BRM [02-Oct-24 08:57 PM] tanda#0000 that's what I was seeing on PRUNplanner. 21 CHP completely consumes 2 whole bases worth of BRM {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [02-Oct-24 09:00 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I mix recipes and make REA, SOI, PFE, and OLF. Mixing them uses way less than just making REA, so I usually just use the BRM from one base, then buy up more whenever it's available {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Oct-24 09:07 PM] tanda#0000 I'll probably want at least one more ship before I start hauling CLI out there [02-Oct-24 09:09 PM] kynadre#0000 it's def. a penalty to shipbuilders that free to play and basic can only have two ships active at a time, but from a gameplay sense once someone gets to where they want more, moar, MOAR!!, then they're probably more likely willing to subscribe [02-Oct-24 09:17 PM] jcheung#0000 it's probably not too hard to convince someone to gift you a month of pro if you're free license if you have stuff saved up to buy a ship [02-Oct-24 09:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well you can have more ships, but only two can fly {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Oct-24 09:45 PM] kynadre#0000 I still don't really understand why the devs made IDC and EDC into the market moneymakers like they did [02-Oct-24 09:45 PM] kynadre#0000 are they used for anything? [02-Oct-24 09:51 PM] tanda#0000 they are used for high order education and comfort infrastructure upkeep [02-Oct-24 09:51 PM] kynadre#0000 ahh okay [02-Oct-24 09:51 PM] tanda#0000 but the buildings they come out of are critical for ship production {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Oct-24 09:51 PM] kynadre#0000 Oh yeah, upkeep stuff, I'm kind of assuming most governers make upkeep stuff themselves, but I've been curious about those as stuff to make [02-Oct-24 09:52 PM] kynadre#0000 and understanding that better, the planetary management needs [02-Oct-24 09:58 PM] kynadre#0000 there's so many things related to planet management. I'm glad they have that aspect of the game, but I bet it's a major "gotcha!" for folks who go out to uninhabited planets to set up XD [02-Oct-24 09:59 PM] tanda#0000 not really [02-Oct-24 09:59 PM] tanda#0000 the majority of the complexity is at the upper end of the system when you're managing ENG and SCI level populations [02-Oct-24 09:59 PM] tanda#0000 for frontier planets it's going to be PIO and SET, which I just recently learned is super duper easy [02-Oct-24 10:00 PM] tanda#0000 it just takes time {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Oct-24 10:00 PM] kynadre#0000 I suppose also since frontier planets are (likely) mainly for low tech industries like extraction and the first stage of refining, too [02-Oct-24 10:01 PM] tanda#0000 it's mostly that it takes 2.5mil-ish to set up a planet with ADM, COGC, and an SST that is the big barrier {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Oct-24 10:01 PM] kynadre#0000 Gotcha [02-Oct-24 10:09 PM] kynadre#0000 So when a planet looks like this, does that mean there's more safety and health buildings (and related resources) needed for settlers and pioneers to have higher happiness, for instance? And that would improve their efficiency? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1291235694982987807/image.png?ex=6814e033&is=68138eb3&hm=b169a3b1c7169c25c7d5fe667d8482523bf24b0ea76f76bc93e58d2cf8efb692& [02-Oct-24 10:11 PM] tanda#0000 Primarily the issue with that planet is unemployment I believe [02-Oct-24 10:12 PM] kynadre#0000 okay, that it's too high in settlers, technicians, and scientists, and too low in pioneers and engineers? [02-Oct-24 10:12 PM] kynadre#0000 So much for me to learn how this stuff works hah [02-Oct-24 10:13 PM] tanda#0000 Same, not super experienced in governing. I would backread #gov-discussion to see a bit more {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Oct-24 10:28 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I help govern almost 20 planets now and I still don't fully understand the mechanics. They're interesting, but quite complicated [02-Oct-24 10:29 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I learn stuff from Archiel and more experienced governors all the time. I think it's a really fun mechanic though {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Oct-24 10:29 PM] kynadre#0000 Yeah seems like it, esp. from potential for community collab perspective [02-Oct-24 10:30 PM] kynadre#0000 there's choices every week on what to run, what to fund, what to build, and what that'd take to upkeep [02-Oct-24 10:30 PM] kynadre#0000 probably really easy to accidentally do too much or too little of something [02-Oct-24 11:04 PM] kynadre#0000 I guess the perspective that it's shipbuilding buildings, but that shipbuilding has so much downtime or uncertainty that there's gotta be something to fill the gaps [02-Oct-24 11:07 PM] getonthetrain#0000 They should just make profitable MM orders for shipbuilding components. That way the whole supply chain gets stimulated instead of just the consumables for scientists {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ’ฏ [02-Oct-24 11:08 PM] kynadre#0000 esp. that way also it doesn't lead to a bunch of people creating planetary strain by making bases en masse to print those things out exclusively [02-Oct-24 11:09 PM] getonthetrain#0000 Like IDC takes millions to get even 1 software going. While newer players are locked out. [02-Oct-24 11:10 PM] getonthetrain#0000 However, if it was ship compnents - then newer players could find a market on the lower level components while wealthier players could buy from them and complete the higher level chain. Eventually, that newer player could save up and work up the chain themselves {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ’ฏ [02-Oct-24 11:28 PM] jcheung#0000 afaik tanda would be right here. the reason why SET is crashing so hard is because whatever temporary boost that was inflating things was removed, so it's self correcting now. nearly 10k unemployed. [02-Oct-24 11:30 PM] jcheung#0000 that said there's enough PIO being uplifted to more than offset the SET pop loss [02-Oct-24 11:31 PM] jcheung#0000 huh. looking back at previous there's not really any temp boosts to SET for the last year. i guess there's just that many PIO that are naturally uplifting! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Oct-24 11:33 PM] kynadre#0000 interesting! [02-Oct-24 11:34 PM] jcheung#0000 most of the programs i see are either engineer or pioneer boosts {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Oct-24 11:34 PM] kynadre#0000 I saw in the population analysis thingy that the higher-tier workers naturally contribute some education to the planet on their own so that may be a factor [02-Oct-24 11:34 PM] kynadre#0000 that as engineer pop increases it boosts education just a bit that some pioneers will promote more [02-Oct-24 11:34 PM] jcheung#0000 (granted, my knowledge of planet stuff is decently shallow, i could be off about some stuff) [02-Oct-24 11:34 PM] jcheung#0000 where'd you see that? [02-Oct-24 11:35 PM] kynadre#0000 https://pct.fnar.net/population-infrastructure/ I think talked about that somewhere... lemme find it {Embed} https://pct.fnar.net/population-infrastructure/ Population Infrastructure - PrUn Community Derived Information Community derived data & formulas from the game Prosperous Universe [02-Oct-24 11:35 PM] kynadre#0000 hrm no, not there [02-Oct-24 11:35 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm pretty sure education is a need from workers, not provided by them [02-Oct-24 11:36 PM] getonthetrain#0000 I upgraded my HQ to level 5 and I thought I got another queue slot, but I still only have 5 total queue's [02-Oct-24 11:36 PM] jcheung#0000 how many do you have now? [02-Oct-24 11:36 PM] getonthetrain#0000 5 [02-Oct-24 11:36 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿค” [02-Oct-24 11:37 PM] jcheung#0000 how many permits do you have? [02-Oct-24 11:37 PM] kynadre#0000 maybe I misinterpreted this https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pDvP3Iz-MDIa_uoQPsJDDOHn72dK7T02k1oAa94K2W0/edit {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1291257716823822338/image.png?ex=6814f4b6&is=6813a336&hm=904900030fd1f4c269435e81f538bbd20e133b2837ed34dbf6f8583a725f6c14& {Embed} https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pDvP3Iz-MDIa_uoQPsJDDOHn72dK7T02k1oAa94K2W0/edit Archiel's Good Governance A Prosperous Universe Guide Archielโ€™s Good Governance An OOG Production December 04, 2023 Responsibilities of a Governor Generally the responsibilities of a newly elected governor falls into these categories, roughly in order of importance: Maintain the COGC Maintain the population via population... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/jOfIX0pq4TFNBSLENOY6g6CZG6BkjpGZG-9uzXqDChY/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyLb9-hyQkU0BPU5eYzULJJ7ilO8hlBn18yyzPEWw7PIqGZ76RlPairnIsfsaxx4UWbTYKseP2IpbsUZT4L2wz2rRyN-drcSAQR4N6H5kv-lCrI38PNN%3Dw1200-h630-p [02-Oct-24 11:37 PM] getonthetrain#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1291257827595386891/image.png?ex=6814f4d0&is=6813a350&hm=00869fab97ab0f327515ee80f1887bfd4dbe6975c938891a2b11d501e6a3320e& [02-Oct-24 11:37 PM] jcheung#0000 that's lvl 4 [02-Oct-24 11:37 PM] getonthetrain#0000 oh, yea lol [02-Oct-24 11:37 PM] jcheung#0000 that's why i was asking how many permits you had ๐Ÿ˜‰ [02-Oct-24 11:38 PM] kynadre#0000 ah right cuz you start with 2 [02-Oct-24 11:38 PM] kynadre#0000 so you'll always have +1 permit to HQ level [02-Oct-24 11:38 PM] jcheung#0000 yes {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Oct-24 11:39 PM] kynadre#0000 God I'm still such a newb, learning some advanced stuff, still learning so much basic to intermediate stuff [02-Oct-24 11:39 PM] kynadre#0000 having fun [02-Oct-24 11:40 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm only like 3 months in ๐Ÿคท {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Oct-24 11:43 PM] kynadre#0000 man whoever wrote this must have been absolutely giggling at the time... great dad joke {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1291259231496044624/image.png?ex=6814f61f&is=6813a49f&hm=2f235895aa274596a84ccf7904c390ede083a2b074f633cf84731b0dc5f9a4cc& [02-Oct-24 11:44 PM] jcheung#0000 speaking of. i should probably think about shopping for more of them ๐Ÿค” [02-Oct-24 11:44 PM] kynadre#0000 looking at stuff trying to understand market is a bit overwhelming ngl but it's good to explore [02-Oct-24 11:46 PM] kynadre#0000 can see TRU is used for an absolutely massive amount of buildings, in good amounts, and relatively easy to make, which probs is why people jumped on it in July after the price went up about double, then halved the price again as too many ppl were making it [02-Oct-24 11:58 PM] jcheung#0000 i want to make some of my own {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Oct-24 11:58 PM] jcheung#0000 i just... [02-Oct-24 11:58 PM] jcheung#0000 am trying to resist the temptation of more loans {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ ๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ‘† [02-Oct-24 11:58 PM] jcheung#0000 since i'm neck deep in loans right now, and i *really* should stop {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [03-Oct-24 12:05 AM] kelvinfu#0000 Shrewdsun would disapprove of this statement {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [03-Oct-24 12:05 AM] jcheung#0000 ....he holds half of my doggone loans [03-Oct-24 12:05 AM] kynadre#0000 I mean I'm sure he'd like to be paid back at -some- point before you get deeper in debt with more loans, right? [03-Oct-24 12:05 AM] kynadre#0000 right? [03-Oct-24 12:07 AM] kelvinfu#0000 he's the guy who took 90mil debt in his first 2 months so I think he'd be happy to have someone follow in his footsteps {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [03-Oct-24 12:09 AM] jcheung#0000 i'm not that far gone [03-Oct-24 12:09 AM] jcheung#0000 i could easily spend that much though [03-Oct-24 12:09 AM] jcheung#0000 ...actually [03-Oct-24 12:09 AM] jcheung#0000 i think he might hold more than half my loans [03-Oct-24 02:07 AM] evov#0000 Just a friendly heads up - I probably wouldn't be using current BRM markets to be making long term BRM related choices. Take from that what you will ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [03-Oct-24 04:17 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Does anybody know how much workers consume? [03-Oct-24 04:18 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Like 1 Pioneer need x DW, y RAT, z COF [03-Oct-24 04:20 AM] pxlfox.#0000 > For example, 100 Pioneers need 4 DW, 4 RAT, 0.5 OVE, 0.5 COF, and 0.2 PWO per day to be fully satisfied, and 100 Settlers need 5 DW, 6 RAT, 3 HI, 0.5 EXO, and 0.5 PT. https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/index.html {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/index.html Efficiency factors :: Prosperous Universe Handbook Prosperous Universe Wiki [03-Oct-24 04:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 has anybody numbers for the other worker types? [03-Oct-24 04:22 AM] laaxus#0000 You Can get them from the api [03-Oct-24 04:22 AM] laaxus#0000 Or you can find them through prunplanner [03-Oct-24 05:13 AM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Just one more loanโ€ฆ itโ€™s good for you [03-Oct-24 05:28 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yes, just open up the Workforce buffer, on any of your bases. Non used POP tiers will be greyed out, but you still get the base metrics there. For those that you do use, you just divide out what they're using per day, in a ratio of 100 (so if you employ 1800 PIOs, just divide out daily usage by 18). {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [03-Oct-24 06:42 AM] tanda#0000 yeah, BRM itself is going to get resupply. I'm more interested in REA, considering REA gets used in a lot of high level recipes and apparently Vortex Fuel once gateways come out {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [03-Oct-24 02:08 PM] laaxus#0000 surely this pe will sell at some point {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1291477028482060408/image.png?ex=68151836&is=6813c6b6&hm=e127f6ac67521ff230d473dfd706b7f7ee01ee5ac0da291e35f60311c41fdcc8& [03-Oct-24 02:08 PM] laaxus#0000 surely [03-Oct-24 02:35 PM] kynadre#0000 lol [03-Oct-24 07:14 PM] tanda#0000 I REALLLY hate the AMT option when doing split transfers {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1291553949245112330/image.png?ex=6814b719&is=68136599&hm=fc833e6c1c1fb70923934aba135770fa5a2d84b59fbb2b175893cfd75bd53cbc& [03-Oct-24 07:14 PM] tanda#0000 I need a textbox, not a textbox with a set button, why is this like this {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (3) [03-Oct-24 07:18 PM] jcheung#0000 it pisses me off [03-Oct-24 07:19 PM] jcheung#0000 i've gotten to a point where i won't use it and just drag an extra 15 times [03-Oct-24 07:20 PM] jcheung#0000 if you would like, i have a WCB sitting idle at ANT right now [03-Oct-24 07:20 PM] jcheung#0000 could have it out there in.... well, realistically when i wake up in 14 hrs [03-Oct-24 07:23 PM] tanda#0000 I got it, but thank you for the offer. Ships are kinda caught up, so I'm just reacting to POPR adjustments {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Oct-24 08:37 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1291937159569346622/image.png?ex=6814ca7d&is=681378fd&hm=00f8ca8fe9afd1c4e433fc6672c8511e7a085b861bf317d671a9741066550f0a& [04-Oct-24 08:37 PM] tanda#0000 OUCH [04-Oct-24 08:43 PM] sidepipe#0000 I have some extra water on ISA if you want it ๐Ÿ™‚ [04-Oct-24 08:43 PM] tanda#0000 DW? [04-Oct-24 08:44 PM] sidepipe#0000 blah, can't read [04-Oct-24 08:44 PM] sidepipe#0000 thought it was H2O [04-Oct-24 08:44 PM] tanda#0000 at this rate, I need to expand my FPs to do DW as well too, but then I need another source of water from ISA [04-Oct-24 08:44 PM] tanda#0000 nearly 900k is a lot for a month of DW [04-Oct-24 08:45 PM] sidepipe#0000 Etherwind + KW-602c is a good combo [04-Oct-24 08:45 PM] sidepipe#0000 long flight out, but you only need to visit once every 10 days to resupply both and haul the 20k DW home [04-Oct-24 08:46 PM] sidepipe#0000 but I do happen to have some extra water on ISA if you want to sneak some DW into your FP rotation for a bit [04-Oct-24 08:46 PM] tanda#0000 I won't say no to more water, lol [04-Oct-24 08:47 PM] tanda#0000 I have a 2k/2k in system if you could shoot me contracts for however much you want to sell [04-Oct-24 08:47 PM] tanda#0000 because sadly I don't have a base on ISA, so I literally live out of the warehouse there [04-Oct-24 08:50 PM] sidepipe#0000 10k at 30/u work? [04-Oct-24 08:50 PM] sidepipe#0000 or up to that, you don't need to take all 10 ๐Ÿ˜„ [04-Oct-24 08:50 PM] tanda#0000 it works great, thank you! [04-Oct-24 08:51 PM] tanda#0000 that's like 10 days worth on the HYF [04-Oct-24 08:52 PM] sidepipe#0000 yeah, it goes fast ๐Ÿ˜„ [04-Oct-24 08:52 PM] sidepipe#0000 i have some excess every now and then because I still haven't filled my entire HYF base [04-Oct-24 08:57 PM] tanda#0000 I have to get one more HYF on there eventually, just not in a huge rush because 1) It's currently balanced with my FP base and 2)That will mean I need even more water [04-Oct-24 09:01 PM] kynadre#0000 hehe the cost of having a lot of pop [04-Oct-24 10:19 PM] sidepipe#0000 you can partially pick up orders? ๐Ÿคฏ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1291962874326941757/image.png?ex=6814e270&is=681390f0&hm=00d3639fa700c2f3327310b0477c09ef5220f27bcaa8d21d2ac986a544e035ec& [04-Oct-24 10:31 PM] marat_sh#0000 what? [04-Oct-24 10:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 unless I'm misunderstanding this - I've never seen it before [04-Oct-24 10:33 PM] tanda#0000 apparently? It surprised me too [04-Oct-24 10:37 PM] kynadre#0000 Huh, neat, wish could do the same for shipping contracts XD {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [04-Oct-24 11:15 PM] jcheung#0000 yes, if it's provisioned [04-Oct-24 11:15 PM] jcheung#0000 so only sell orders/sell LM conts [04-Oct-24 11:16 PM] jcheung#0000 i learned that day 2 when i bought some FEO on vulcan and then i realized how much space it took up [04-Oct-24 11:16 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/sXVG.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/suicide-kms-gif-4481206 Hank and water hose - King Of The Hill https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/9RzDDL2MV79gALnDzqf2MGrRaz_-sBOHp7Pmg4_CX9Y/https/media.tenor.com/eohEkLqD9AgAAAAe/suicide-kms.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [04-Oct-24 11:29 PM] tanda#0000 I do love me some FE/FEO [04-Oct-24 11:44 PM] tanda#0000 I could really use a chance to sell some MHL, but with water prices as high as they are, I think most people see HYF bases as unsustainable [05-Oct-24 05:55 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yeah. Peer-to-peer material transfer conts follow the same rubric as CX purchase overflow conts, with just the simple addition, or removal, of a payment term. You don't see such things often, though. But shipping conts are a whole different monster, as exact space is required, since the stuff is transferred into an escrow of 1 unit each. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [05-Oct-24 07:15 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ll be buying some for repairs soon ๐Ÿ™‚ [07-Oct-24 02:51 AM] jvaler#0000 sorry i went awol everyone =( if anything you sent me got cancelled please feel free to resend [07-Oct-24 03:44 AM] jvaler#0000 uhh but make sure to check my offer stock first, i'm out of a lot of things [07-Oct-24 04:16 AM] jvaler#0000 @saltymaggot fyi, changed your nickname to reflect your actual ingame username so that people can send you contracts. [07-Oct-24 04:16 AM] saltymaggot#0000 oh, thanks! [07-Oct-24 04:20 AM] jvaler#0000 and fixed ur role to member, since ur an antarian :^] {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [07-Oct-24 04:23 AM] realharvey#0000 Welcome back jvaler. I hope you are doing fine! [07-Oct-24 04:35 AM] jvaler#0000 ty [07-Oct-24 05:45 AM] antisyntax#0000 hey, nw at all. i just came back from being AWOL for months lol [07-Oct-24 05:46 AM] antisyntax#0000 the amount of millions of damages done from such is... well... a lot [07-Oct-24 05:46 AM] antisyntax#0000 (a lot being 1 - 2 million, but for someone with an entire net worth of 3 million, thats a ton [07-Oct-24 01:04 PM] jvaler#0000 omg did they actually fix the CONTD bug... [07-Oct-24 01:04 PM] jvaler#0000 not fake? [07-Oct-24 01:06 PM] jcheung#0000 which one [07-Oct-24 01:10 PM] jvaler#0000 there's multiple? [07-Oct-24 01:10 PM] jcheung#0000 there's two i know of [07-Oct-24 01:10 PM] jvaler#0000 thought it was just the condition editor one [07-Oct-24 01:10 PM] jvaler#0000 where you have to retype the number to save it [07-Oct-24 01:14 PM] jcheung#0000 there's also the one where if you edit a contract with an auto provision it pre-fills to warehouse if that was the original, but will set to - if you don't change it to - and back to warehouse [07-Oct-24 01:14 PM] jvaler#0000 ohhh yeah i forgot that [07-Oct-24 01:14 PM] jvaler#0000 i hate that one [07-Oct-24 01:14 PM] jvaler#0000 worse than the number one cause you gotta unassign then reassign the warehouse [07-Oct-24 01:33 PM] razenpok#0000 The number bug is still there, I get it every now and then :Cry: [07-Oct-24 01:34 PM] jcheung#0000 can confirm number bug is still there [07-Oct-24 01:34 PM] jcheung#0000 100% duplication [07-Oct-24 01:34 PM] jcheung#0000 can get it every time i try [07-Oct-24 01:40 PM] jvaler#0000 this keeps happening to me wtf [07-Oct-24 01:40 PM] jvaler#0000 i think it disappears but it didn't [07-Oct-24 01:41 PM] jvaler#0000 idk why [07-Oct-24 01:47 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bhwi0.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/cocoa-puffs-sonny-the-cuckoo-bird-cuckoo-for-cocoa-puffs-commercial-crazy-gif-16529748 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/-zQSkgEFmJLTmnZIPbgwIjg3-wx51yrZ7jLA24K_S7I/https/media.tenor.com/t5hJx_PjjQ4AAAAe/cocoa-puffs-sonny-the-cuckoo-bird.png [07-Oct-24 01:47 PM] kynadre#0000 it'd be really, really nice when doing a contract draft, if you pick up a draft you did earlier, if it'd let you set a price per unit again instead of having to do the math on the total sum [07-Oct-24 01:49 PM] laaxus#0000 caption this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1292921871574110288/image.png?ex=681513d3&is=6813c253&hm=e830b05e7b016e81e9ff46bf750cfee10b80c81d6d65f55f19373cb167bbd2e5& [07-Oct-24 01:50 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/oHU3.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sad-upset-violin-sponge-bob-mr-crab-gif-3466351 Sad Violin https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/FnytVIrNsJuIUBSkBj-L-3lru2OOKqkKeuzWzxlnMHk/https/media.tenor.com/qFOocnb-G0YAAAAe/sad-upset.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [07-Oct-24 01:53 PM] jvaler#0000 psst... pmmg put `=100*1.25` into a field and hit enter {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Oct-24 02:04 PM] kynadre#0000 I've been using the calculator in Windows tbh [07-Oct-24 02:56 PM] jvaler#0000 saves you clicks [07-Oct-24 02:56 PM] laaxus#0000 i just use google [07-Oct-24 03:08 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1292941671981387846/image.png?ex=68147d84&is=68132c04&hm=3493aa0efba18ccda8248358ee82d0c97b61a7c90f41b9b922419b7d4fb27190& [07-Oct-24 03:08 PM] laaxus#0000 heard good things about it [07-Oct-24 03:12 PM] marat_sh#0000 Saw a screenshot of life expectancy stat: 45 years.... It's probably one of those games [07-Oct-24 03:13 PM] igfloz#0000 I think this game is the most times I have re-started {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1292943005921181736/image.png?ex=68147ec2&is=68132d42&hm=7840b622f42338da5e42aef18ad3dd3e7b19c66212d8b71456ccd2ad6a0d0f06& [07-Oct-24 03:14 PM] igfloz#0000 ...and I got it in 2022 [07-Oct-24 03:14 PM] kynadre#0000 restarted with excitement to try things differently, see how else things can go? Or frustration at a difficult challenge that is puzzling or frustrating to overcome? [07-Oct-24 03:15 PM] laaxus#0000 one of the main complains I saw was how hard it is to get into [07-Oct-24 03:15 PM] tanda#0000 ^me with Terra Invicta {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (3) [07-Oct-24 03:16 PM] kynadre#0000 So much this... once you get in the flow of cracking and breaking, and then the real invasion comes and reacts horribly to being cracked and broken at the wrong times, with the wrong flow... [07-Oct-24 03:16 PM] igfloz#0000 I found it very quick to get into tools that improved your village / city, but the upkeep was hard. I mean, even road construction can have a huge cost if you select that option. It is very comprehensive {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Oct-24 03:18 PM] marat_sh#0000 my main reason I've stopped trying to play that game of min-max your agents to just keep cracking and arresting other agents [07-Oct-24 03:18 PM] marat_sh#0000 agent gameplay loop is so boring {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [07-Oct-24 03:19 PM] kynadre#0000 And all of the spaceflight and space combat bugs, which hopefully they're smoothing out [07-Oct-24 03:19 PM] kynadre#0000 "canal'ing" someone has become a trope in my friend group at this point [07-Oct-24 03:19 PM] kynadre#0000 fortunately as a phrase and not an action [07-Oct-24 03:19 PM] igfloz#0000 for me, mining was "hard", farming was "hard" transport was "expensive"...... once I started getting larger, it became un sustainable , so I re-started - because I did it wrong, lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿซ‚ [07-Oct-24 03:20 PM] kynadre#0000 learning curve! Indeed. Plus unknown mechanics to address said issues [07-Oct-24 03:20 PM] kynadre#0000 sounds complex [07-Oct-24 03:20 PM] marat_sh#0000 Started the game... non of my agents had public campaign ability... restart... Start the game... one of my agents has public campaign โ€ฆ 1 PER... restart {Reactions} pandaOuch [07-Oct-24 03:22 PM] marat_sh#0000 that game is plagued with "perfect" start syndrome [07-Oct-24 03:22 PM] marat_sh#0000 if it's not optimal start you restart [07-Oct-24 03:22 PM] marat_sh#0000 and just never play the game {Reactions} pandaOuch [07-Oct-24 03:22 PM] igfloz#0000 ...err are we talking about the same game ? I'm talking about soviet republic and I don't think I ever saw public campaign ?? [07-Oct-24 03:23 PM] marat_sh#0000 I was talking about terra invicta [07-Oct-24 03:23 PM] igfloz#0000 ahhh, lolololol [07-Oct-24 03:23 PM] marat_sh#0000 wrong reply ๐Ÿ˜… [07-Oct-24 03:23 PM] igfloz#0000 it's all good [07-Oct-24 03:41 PM] sidepipe#0000 But itโ€™s so good! You just need to get past the first 50 hours of really slow planetary growth and assassinating servant councilors over and over again ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [07-Oct-24 03:41 PM] kynadre#0000 starting as the faction that doesn't get beat up by dem aliums and instead learning how to crack in your favor is by far the best start for learning the game [07-Oct-24 03:42 PM] kynadre#0000 esp. since you learn so much more of their story on the inside that makes you riled up to look forward to fighting AGAINST them the next time [07-Oct-24 03:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 I just started a humanity first play through because Iโ€™m tired of playing nice ๐Ÿ˜ [07-Oct-24 03:42 PM] kynadre#0000 which is a beautiful motivation to keep playing and replaying, tbh, going through the different factions & witnessing their fatal flaws {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [07-Oct-24 03:44 PM] sidepipe#0000 I just wish I had more time to play it. It always takes me months to get through a game [07-Oct-24 03:45 PM] sidepipe#0000 But Iโ€™m a big fan of games like that or highfleet where you play against a much stronger enemy and have to kinda balance risk and reward [07-Oct-24 03:45 PM] getonthetrain#0000 highfleet is so good [07-Oct-24 03:49 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ve never actually restarted a game because of my councilors - you can always just fire and re-hire a few months in [07-Oct-24 03:49 PM] sidepipe#0000 but Iโ€™m also just playing on standard difficulty and not particularly well ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Oct-24 03:50 PM] kynadre#0000 Whether or not you're "playing well" is subjective; if you're having fun and learning, gaining skill, taking some risk to try things and see how they go, then you're doing fantastic [07-Oct-24 04:01 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Have you tried out #Hara Vera? https://youtu.be/pxvZWei-kDc?t=64 {Embed} caracal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxvZWei-kDc&start=64 Flight to Hara Vera | Pre-release mod preview | Highfleet In this video I would like to show you a pre-release preview of the Flight to Hara Vera total conversion mod. The mod changes as much of the game into a new experience as is possible within the limits of hardcoded parts of the game. It features new ship parts, modified visuals and radio messages, modified gameplay, a custom new set of npcs, new... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/X24klvljNuro8scxg7KKsFJQGnbtj9w9DbPE0LiR_qw/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/pxvZWei-kDc/maxresdefault.jpg [07-Oct-24 04:19 PM] getonthetrain#0000 no, hadn't heard of it. I'll check it out [10-Oct-24 01:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 could it be, that the production times in PrunPlanner aren't correct? [10-Oct-24 01:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 e.g. [10-Oct-24 01:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 PP says my ALO should take 11h 25min per run {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1293829969096740924/image.png?ex=681515ce&is=6813c44e&hm=71a9837e58abf52ee864334b1a2de2ce8635f273c1b25fff4d755c5506e9f007& [10-Oct-24 01:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 but Apex states it will take 10h 41min {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1293830120674430996/image.png?ex=681515f2&is=6813c472&hm=6192597a230b9e0713cbb5b5c583ee47218c5241f3b0c1568e30b23ca9a0da79& [10-Oct-24 01:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 both calculate with 112% efficency {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1293830288262041630/image.png?ex=6815161a&is=6813c49a&hm=be1b6b0dd853f096d8f9eeb79c673a7d6187ed00f17abfa35e694576a51e288f& [10-Oct-24 02:00 AM] evov#0000 If the % efficiency shown in your "New Order" tab in game is the same as what's shown in PP - then yeah, likely something slightly off there. [10-Oct-24 02:01 AM] pxlfox.#0000 yes, Apex displays 112% efficiency [10-Oct-24 02:01 AM] pxlfox.#0000 and so does PP [10-Oct-24 02:17 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And EXT has a base production time of 12h [10-Oct-24 02:18 AM] pxlfox.#0000 with all consumables (100%) and 3 experts (+12,48%) my total efficiency is 112,48% [10-Oct-24 02:19 AM] pxlfox.#0000 how do I calculate the new production time? I never had to add a higher percentage to get a lower value ๐Ÿ™ˆ [10-Oct-24 02:20 AM] pxlfox.#0000 if I remove 12% from the 720min (12h), I get 10h 30min, which is close to the 10h 40m apex is showing, but not quite right [10-Oct-24 02:40 AM] pxlfox.#0000 got it ๐Ÿ™ˆ [10-Oct-24 02:53 AM] jcheung#0000 prunplanner is off a bit with time and quantity i've noticed [10-Oct-24 02:53 AM] jcheung#0000 but the daily is very close to accurate [10-Oct-24 03:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 yeah, just another reason the take the numbers from PP with grain of salt, and not as the holy grail of profit ๐Ÿ˜… [10-Oct-24 03:08 AM] pxlfox.#0000 but the numbers are close, you're right [10-Oct-24 09:17 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Is there a better way to setup contracts then to create blueprints and send them to the player? [10-Oct-24 09:25 AM] realharvey#0000 Sadly no [10-Oct-24 09:41 AM] jcheung#0000 No. But you can prefill them, rename and save if you think you'll use it more than once [10-Oct-24 12:27 PM] jvaler#0000 it's a different amount of ore [10-Oct-24 12:27 PM] jvaler#0000 but the time difference is so small it looks like it makes up for it. so the rate per day comes out accurate {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [10-Oct-24 12:28 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Hm, weird [10-Oct-24 12:28 PM] jvaler#0000 iirc there's been discussion in PCT about something to do with prunplanner's rounding. i don't remember what it was though [10-Oct-24 12:29 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Yeah, I made myself a sheet to calculate the production costs of materials and was a bit confused by the differences. [10-Oct-24 12:30 PM] pxlfox.#0000 But the results are really close to each other, so itโ€™s probably negligible [10-Oct-24 12:30 PM] jcheung#0000 i've seen it come up around 4 times in the last 3 months, once brought up by me ๐Ÿ˜„ [11-Oct-24 08:43 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I think the numbers pulled from FIO for natural resources allow you to calculate the amount produced per day, then you actually have to work backwards to get the recipe time. So the amount per day will probably come out right even when the quantity and recipe time are off [11-Oct-24 10:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 What would you say is a good profit/day for a 1-permit-base? [11-Oct-24 10:30 AM] pxlfox.#0000 or is that more of a flavor thing? [11-Oct-24 10:37 AM] laaxus#0000 Depends on cost of base, shipping required, distance from the cx and how sure I am I can sell the production [11-Oct-24 10:38 AM] laaxus#0000 My personnal rule of thumb is 60k->80k : ok, could be better 80->100k : good 100k+ : very good [11-Oct-24 10:38 AM] laaxus#0000 but that's because I like high profit for medium risk [11-Oct-24 10:39 AM] laaxus#0000 some people prefer medium profit for no risk [11-Oct-24 10:40 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm currently setting up some sheets to calculate the production costs of materials to get a sense for "what's a good price" [11-Oct-24 10:40 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And the best you can get with AL (witch is basically my main industry atm) is around 60,000 (with the current CX) [11-Oct-24 10:41 AM] laaxus#0000 you also have to take into account that, early on, what matter is roi, but latter on, what matter is profit per permit [11-Oct-24 10:41 AM] laaxus#0000 yes, my starting sme base is my less profitable one [11-Oct-24 10:42 AM] pxlfox.#0000 very interesting to see those numbers tbh [11-Oct-24 10:42 AM] pxlfox.#0000 but how do you get 100k with a base? ๐Ÿ˜… [11-Oct-24 10:43 AM] laaxus#0000 FP base producing fim/cof at ask price is juicy right now for example [11-Oct-24 10:45 AM] laaxus#0000 the easiest way to increase profit for your base is to buy at bid and sell at ask [11-Oct-24 10:45 AM] laaxus#0000 but that requires capital [11-Oct-24 10:47 AM] laaxus#0000 or you can invest more Lower roi, but higher profit / permit [11-Oct-24 10:47 AM] laaxus#0000 the extreme of that is an IDC base [11-Oct-24 10:48 AM] pxlfox.#0000 thank you ๐Ÿ˜Š [11-Oct-24 10:56 AM] jcheung#0000 my numbers for starting out are a little more relaxed than laaxus. 20k - not great but gotta start somewhere/pay the bills 30k - acceptable 60k - good 100k - excellent 150k+ - are you sure this is sustainable? after you have several bases and a good cashflow, then you can start revising upwards [11-Oct-24 10:58 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah, I wouldn't recommend my benchmark to new players [11-Oct-24 10:58 AM] laaxus#0000 after all, let me stress it again, what I am doing is **risky** [11-Oct-24 11:35 AM] razenpok#0000 Jcheung is more relaaxus you would say [11-Oct-24 11:51 AM] sidepipe#0000 My rule of thumb is also around 60-75k per base. Partly because I do vertical integration, which means I make a lot of lower-profit goods for myself just to make sure I have a consistent supply of them [11-Oct-24 11:53 AM] sidepipe#0000 So I have FP bases that make over 100k a day, but also farms that make less than 20k. But if you look at the farms and FPs together, they average about 65k per permit which is good enough for me ๐Ÿ˜„ [11-Oct-24 11:56 AM] sidepipe#0000 I have some electronics bases (not IDC) with some pretty crazy profit numbers, but a lot of it sells pretty slowly on the CX [12-Oct-24 12:38 AM] evov#0000 At low permit counts - Profit per base is far less important than RoI. Even at high permit counts - RoI is king . . . .provided you're including the cost of the next HQ upgrade in your numbers. [12-Oct-24 02:08 AM] evov#0000 If anyone is looking for an area to get into. Probably plenty of opportunity in this area imo {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1294557283845673050/image.png?ex=6815182c&is=6813c6ac&hm=4619f417bb17532f32f9b70a198c28dae5d09246eb09b63787fafbf9710bb27f& [12-Oct-24 03:05 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1294571592768028703/image.png?ex=68147cbf&is=68132b3f&hm=bc804d520e1ddc147bbb8ee76fce3ffe28b86a1f9dd233081277408dabdc2fd0& [12-Oct-24 03:05 AM] laaxus#0000 200k pe towards moria [12-Oct-24 03:08 AM] laaxus#0000 I've been in that train for a while {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1294572271691763733/image.png?ex=68147d61&is=68132be1&hm=029205a5d0002aa3232b76a0a23a3a2239aa515d0f4a4de794bd4a71d72e63b5& [12-Oct-24 03:17 AM] evov#0000 I don't think I'd send one of my own ships from ANT to MOR if the margin on the trip was only 30k. [12-Oct-24 03:19 AM] laaxus#0000 isn't 30k the price from that guy that have 120 ships ? [12-Oct-24 03:20 AM] evov#0000 No idea, I have a bajillion ships so I don't out-source shipping. I just know that when I fill up a load to go from ANT to MOR - I'd expect it to make 50-100k on average. So 30 just seems a little low. [12-Oct-24 03:21 AM] laaxus#0000 I'll see [12-Oct-24 03:21 AM] laaxus#0000 if in a week, nobody took it, I'll increase price [12-Oct-24 03:25 AM] evov#0000 Just to put it in perspective - 30k, minus roughly 5k in fuel for the trip if you go slow and stretch it out to nearly 2 days = 25k. That's about what the daily interest accrual is on the sort of loan you'd likely need to buy one of those ships. Which is why about 50k is usually the min I'd be looking to make on a trip like that when doing any CX-CX trading. [12-Oct-24 03:26 AM] laaxus#0000 if someone had to move a ship from Ant to moria for another purpose, he'd be happy to earn 25k on that trip, rather than -5k [12-Oct-24 03:26 AM] laaxus#0000 your argument is sound from an investment pov [12-Oct-24 03:27 AM] laaxus#0000 but it's different from market price [12-Oct-24 03:29 AM] evov#0000 Or maybe they've got plenty of ships sitting around doing nothing, but don't have enough money to buy their own PE in ANT and sell it in MOR. There's plenty of potential scenario's - I'm just pointing out the economics of it is all. [12-Oct-24 12:24 PM] jvaler#0000 it is, but that's cause they have 120 ships =P [12-Oct-24 12:33 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You want at least 30k in returns, from say a LCB contract. Better yet if you can pull off 60k, from shipping inefficiencies, which make themselves known in the LMs (eventually)... At 60k returns, you're basically at 1/2 the ROI rates that you'd otherwise get from pushing the capital investment into new HQ permits. [12-Oct-24 12:37 PM] .shiva.#0000 it just keeps going up lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1294715490484355156/image.png?ex=681502c3&is=6813b143&hm=8d4c92d9d626fe36febcf4232bb476911df1857cfbcd1a4714cb155a2865b956& [12-Oct-24 12:38 PM] marat_sh#0000 I mean... what else are you gonna spend your IDC money on [12-Oct-24 12:38 PM] marat_sh#0000 blood is artificial MM for Ships [12-Oct-24 12:42 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Don't worry peeps. Burnout is a real thing in Prun. [12-Oct-24 12:42 PM] tanda#0000 but I don't want DarkFuel to burn out, I want him to hit 500 ships [12-Oct-24 12:44 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The maths guarantees attrition. [12-Oct-24 12:44 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Either for newbro TRIALs, mid-late game BASIC/PROs, or from old-timers, who no longer have any fun in the game, since they've done everything that they wanted to. [12-Oct-24 12:55 PM] marat_sh#0000 Also... is it just me or it's been a while since last economic report [12-Oct-24 12:55 PM] marat_sh#0000 Last one I remember was in august... when they added IDCs in to the list [12-Oct-24 12:56 PM] tanda#0000 do they do those monthly or quarterly? [12-Oct-24 12:56 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Monthly.... https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/tag/economic-report Molps on vacation rn, iirc. {Embed} https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/tag/economic-report Topics tagged economic-report Topics tagged economic-report https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/x0Lcv9Tc0WstLZAut1pc9Cply1Z-ZpDJ_X3qJLQ4S_k/https/com.prosperousuniverse.com/uploads/default/original/1X/9637dadda95e302d05ebee320ec8473189637a64.jpg {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [12-Oct-24 01:21 PM] jcheung#0000 rip. just set out on a trip out that way yesterday ๐Ÿ˜‚ [12-Oct-24 01:22 PM] jcheung#0000 ...not that i could have taken a full load [13-Oct-24 02:20 PM] tanda#0000 man, Tiezendor is such a frustrating planet [13-Oct-24 02:20 PM] tanda#0000 it's perfect for vertical integration BFabs, but it's TSH [14-Oct-24 03:47 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Whats going on here? Why would Interstellar Gaia be buying and selling all this stuff? I wouldn't think it's market trading because he's not pricing himself to be active? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1295306910521757707/Screenshot_2024-10-14_094529.png?ex=68148691&is=68133511&hm=bb79a9b6bc94c702e7c1b0a7b3c2af0e1c92034722d41c1a666df15b8a580048& [14-Oct-24 03:51 AM] laaxus#0000 Margin trading [14-Oct-24 03:53 AM] laaxus#0000 He buy below market price, sell above, eating the spread [14-Oct-24 04:10 AM] razenpok#0000 I'm more inclined to think that this is more market-making than margin trading. He has many ask/bid orders for rarely traded materials. [14-Oct-24 04:14 AM] razenpok#0000 Like this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1295313769043464282/image.png?ex=68148cf4&is=68133b74&hm=87c6374a393c8c8e2393f8aa85bad7cc548fd21cf0b4825449d2b9e438e8f860& [14-Oct-24 04:14 AM] razenpok#0000 Provides an opportunity for people to find profitable production chains I think [14-Oct-24 04:27 AM] akyantor#0000 There isn't an ability to trade on margin in the game, so it's definitely more market making than margin trading. They are committing both cash for the requests, and goods for the offers up front. In this case at a very large scale (about 0.5 billion in buy orders on various CX): https://aeryen23.github.io/yapt/#/view-company?company=INGA [14-Oct-24 04:45 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Does anybody know how much technicians consume? [14-Oct-24 04:45 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Donโ€™t have any bases to check it myself ๐Ÿ˜… [14-Oct-24 04:49 AM] laaxus#0000 you can always create a base in prun for that {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [14-Oct-24 04:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 True, kinda forgot that possibility ๐Ÿ˜… [14-Oct-24 06:05 AM] jvaler#0000 any workforce buffer will tell you as well [14-Oct-24 02:09 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I made my own specialty products, just because of that BS.... 6-12 months ago, RAD prices were 1/2 --> 1/3 of those prices. [14-Oct-24 02:10 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 They're probably reflected by the general price inflation that is taking hold across all sectors... But I'm not going to be dolling out free margins to another player, just because they have sufficient capital to run all of those margin trading orders. [14-Oct-24 02:11 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If you're my business partner... Yes, I doll you out with extreme, profitable margins... I have no taste in giving hand-outs, to those I don't know. [14-Oct-24 02:12 PM] razenpok#0000 I don't see a reason to not trade into such asks/bids if I can pull off profits bigger than the spread they are eating [14-Oct-24 02:13 PM] razenpok#0000 They also pay the opportunity cost, so it's not free money for them :Shrug: [14-Oct-24 02:15 PM] laaxus#0000 there's nothing wrong with selling into this bid [14-Oct-24 02:16 PM] laaxus#0000 he's willing to take the risk of selling at a higher price with uncertainty, in exchange for buying at lower price with certainty for the seller [14-Oct-24 02:16 PM] laaxus#0000 it's basically outsourcing [14-Oct-24 02:16 PM] laaxus#0000 nothing wrong with that [14-Oct-24 02:17 PM] laaxus#0000 I can even argue it's beneficial for the community {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [14-Oct-24 03:33 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Work with those peeps that you know? Somewhat. [14-Oct-24 07:26 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1295543274379018312/image.png?ex=6814b9f2&is=68136872&hm=d3d764dcb8dde0519c1c3df9a62c9fc0ffc27b1c99e5ba502fdfe84bf691bf1c& [14-Oct-24 07:26 PM] tanda#0000 Anybody watching this? [14-Oct-24 07:31 PM] jcheung#0000 well [14-Oct-24 07:31 PM] jcheung#0000 that's gone up a little [14-Oct-24 07:32 PM] jcheung#0000 i might have to bump my price a little because supply cost may be going up, but i can beat 1500 no problem [14-Oct-24 07:34 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, looks like it's still near a grand for production cost [14-Oct-24 07:37 PM] tanda#0000 TA isn't cheap but the market listings on are incredibly inflated [14-Oct-24 07:40 PM] jcheung#0000 TAI just sold a bunch at 900/u [14-Oct-24 07:40 PM] jcheung#0000 gunna bump my supplier price upward ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [14-Oct-24 07:41 PM] tanda#0000 due to it being an AML recipe, TA's least concern right now is the price of TAI [14-Oct-24 08:58 PM] evov#0000 Maybe related, maybe not, TA is one of the "critical points" needed for making gateways where existing CX supply isn't going to cut it. Potentially, people are getting in early to buy up stock for production of gateway parts. [14-Oct-24 09:07 PM] jcheung#0000 is it? i didn't realize TA was going to be used for gates [14-Oct-24 09:07 PM] jcheung#0000 oh boy [14-Oct-24 09:09 PM] evov#0000 I'm setting up capactiy now to make enough of it to build a gate ever 50 days. So it'll be fine. [14-Oct-24 09:12 PM] evov#0000 It may be completely unrelated at the moment. But eventually it'll become relevant ( need about 600 TA per gateway I think ) [14-Oct-24 09:17 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bSvZm.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1qZL4cRM7tAIJmJkKEq5tIGuugbQsrEKoSolsuTaKaM/https/media.tenor.com/sG58s82gxywAAAAe/sweats.png [14-Oct-24 09:20 PM] tanda#0000 there are forces at work beyond our comprehension [15-Oct-24 01:28 AM] jcheung#0000 my burn annoys me. i have too many things below 3d burn [15-Oct-24 01:29 AM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฐ left things too long, going to be a rush to get things on track [15-Oct-24 02:14 AM] realharvey#0000 I feel ya. Don't look at your xit repairs. It will even get worse [15-Oct-24 07:20 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Just to clarify - *Ask* is what people want for there resources and I have to pay, when buying from the CX (offers), and *Bid* is what people offer to buy stuff from the CX (requests), right? [15-Oct-24 07:23 AM] laaxus#0000 yes [15-Oct-24 07:23 AM] sidepipe#0000 Pretty sure thatโ€™s right, but tbh I still get them mixed up ๐Ÿ˜„ [15-Oct-24 07:23 AM] laaxus#0000 Ask-> letter A -> on top Bid -> letter B -> bottom [15-Oct-24 08:11 AM] skyrey#0000 Did not know that 39 686 is 10 443 587% more then 0. Could it perhaps be a visual bug? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1295735683176202241/Screenshot_2024-10-15_at_14.07.56.png?ex=6814c464&is=681372e4&hm=326aba8c7600bcf1069ad6a5d26627e25eec088fa6348eaa9fb4c86794bb610f& [15-Oct-24 09:39 AM] marat_sh#0000 that tab has so many bugs so I just never use it [15-Oct-24 09:50 AM] jcheung#0000 Been working my first round of repairs. Had a base slip past the 90 window brcause i wasn't paying attention [15-Oct-24 11:09 AM] realharvey#0000 1? Those are rookie numbers. I had like 7 [15-Oct-24 11:25 AM] kynadre#0000 inflation due to MM use for IDCs / EDCs income! [15-Oct-24 11:59 AM] jcheung#0000 I was scrambling to pull together repair mats for all the other bases that needed repair, so I'm surprised only one slipped too [15-Oct-24 11:48 PM] jcheung#0000 fuck [15-Oct-24 11:48 PM] jcheung#0000 i sent my ship to the wrong planet, offloaded and left..... [15-Oct-24 11:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/oops-aquaman-bro-gif-18498968 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/oops-aquaman-bro-gif-18498968 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/aLZ0lj-M0ypKllyVnEg7mIyZxAZWlwANxPmRlN0NYdU/https/media.tenor.com/nV05aGkCoc4AAAAe/oops-aquaman.png [15-Oct-24 11:49 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1295971891126734889/image.png?ex=6814f7a0&is=6813a620&hm=ceb089690769bc3d4aa1efe8028cbe0305d172a6eadfe71b615890e9d38f8641& [15-Oct-24 11:49 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/sXVG.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/suicide-kms-gif-4481206 Hank and water hose - King Of The Hill https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/9RzDDL2MV79gALnDzqf2MGrRaz_-sBOHp7Pmg4_CX9Y/https/media.tenor.com/eohEkLqD9AgAAAAe/suicide-kms.png [15-Oct-24 11:52 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bLrkk.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/car-nope-turning-back-going-back-turn-back-gif-23660450 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/oOZrp6EpRllfnvo0k8q5hBBqFHJ9n8hDWBfRqXlcqOM/https/media.tenor.com/prCF6uOkOPcAAAAe/car-nope.png [15-Oct-24 11:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 From where to where? [15-Oct-24 11:53 PM] jcheung#0000 eos > bober [15-Oct-24 11:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Darn [15-Oct-24 11:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Canโ€™t help you there friend [15-Oct-24 11:54 PM] jcheung#0000 unless you have med at bober? >.> [15-Oct-24 11:54 PM] jcheung#0000 this gonna wreck my supply schedule [15-Oct-24 11:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ve got a war on bober [15-Oct-24 11:54 PM] jcheung#0000 was going to be tight, now gonna have holes [15-Oct-24 11:54 PM] jcheung#0000 you polish? [15-Oct-24 11:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 With mats to make a CM [15-Oct-24 11:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Nope [15-Oct-24 11:54 PM] jcheung#0000 they have a war on bobers [15-Oct-24 11:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m Scottish/danish [15-Oct-24 11:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/bh187-braveheart-hair-flip-crazy-eyes-crazy-gif-19285814 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/bh187-braveheart-hair-flip-crazy-eyes-crazy-gif-19285814 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/hWmHYS-IfChEd2k9sc4qBHqioQFgHJxTfERyEYhyKcI/https/media.tenor.com/cxi5OA2K_soAAAAe/bh187-braveheart.png [15-Oct-24 11:55 PM] jcheung#0000 https://www.politico.eu/article/poland-donald-tusk-declare-war-beaver-flood/ {Embed} https://www.politico.eu/article/poland-donald-tusk-declare-war-beaver-flood/ Polandโ€™s Donald Tusk declares war on beavers The animals are accused of exacerbating floods โ€” though one researcher said the Polish PM is talking โ€œnonsense.โ€ https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/cZM6bt-f4SyKnRTeul5-2ebEl2O5PW0QMtG2DgvVPNA/https/www.politico.eu/cdn-cgi/image/width%3D1200%2Cheight%3D630%2Cfit%3Dcrop%2Cquality%3D80%2Conerror%3Dredirect/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/24/Tuskhunter.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก (2) [15-Oct-24 11:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Time to be Davy Crockett [15-Oct-24 11:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Imma be a fur trading man [16-Oct-24 02:23 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Anyone else having problems with the game? [16-Oct-24 02:23 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Screens not loading (steam version) [16-Oct-24 02:24 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Same on web [16-Oct-24 02:26 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Coming back to life [16-Oct-24 02:26 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Screens loading slowly [16-Oct-24 02:26 AM] cruelcoin#0000 It's aliiiiiive [16-Oct-24 02:43 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Yeah, just wanted to ask around myself [16-Oct-24 02:43 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Seems like the servers are struggling [16-Oct-24 03:14 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1296023486854070393/image.png?ex=68147eee&is=68132d6e&hm=aeed96cda8b553bc70136c71a52662d1c5b7b749c165150a5c89bdb50e261930& [16-Oct-24 03:14 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bcuEi.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-fuck-frustrated-gif-15331740 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ljgVXPoLPe_HJF1QTuCLh-QWcho1taEOgq7IpfrRno8/https/media.tenor.com/OxH_84pLxyQAAAAe/annoyed-fuck.png [16-Oct-24 03:15 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bCRxj.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/financially-recover-i-am-never-going-to-financially-recover-from-this-recover-from-this-i-am-never-going-to-joe-exotic-gif-21616247 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/5PHL7xQjtElLcng6btGI96CpZwIjFrFcDgibljcdUTc/https/media.tenor.com/MdVEOm6vvikAAAAe/financially-recover-i-am-never-going-to-financially-recover-from-this.png [16-Oct-24 03:18 AM] .shiva.#0000 Yeah it's more or less down for me [16-Oct-24 03:18 AM] .shiva.#0000 Super slow to respond [16-Oct-24 05:24 AM] razenpok#0000 The game is mostly working if you let it couple minutes of loading [16-Oct-24 05:25 AM] razenpok#0000 Btw what is this ๐Ÿ’€ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1296056333044289607/image.png?ex=68149d85&is=68134c05&hm=dc46ff98d302e2f77af3adb860000bdaa17566c55a168a3c27067165701c59a0& {Reactions} โ“ [16-Oct-24 05:25 AM] razenpok#0000 Bro just inhaled my 10k SFK order [16-Oct-24 05:50 AM] akyantor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/food-coma-food-eat-starving-kirby-gif-4698182 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/food-coma-food-eat-starving-kirby-gif-4698182 kirby eating https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/HhyfterlOwkFIb_PRg9oQklT6_sxBhHId6D7W7_UzHA/https/media.tenor.com/7I9nkd071vYAAAAe/food-coma-food.png [16-Oct-24 06:55 AM] tanda#0000 Interesting. The server issues took out the entire system of Thalassa. Any other systems like that? Wildly curious if this is more widespread {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1296079007976128543/image.png?ex=6814b2a3&is=68136123&hm=77d9b1db080b15167d3fbff70b6bcd471c11b8670c659117a83317cebd87d9d4& [16-Oct-24 07:51 AM] sidepipe#0000 Oh no, game is down? [16-Oct-24 07:51 AM] sidepipe#0000 Guess Iโ€™m getting work done this morning ๐Ÿ˜ž [16-Oct-24 08:00 AM] realharvey#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1296095483806220379/image.png?ex=6814c1fb&is=6813707b&hm=fb56d17b8365ad787a5de88bf8aefc56e926a18a6f97d053f4d952e744895b41& [16-Oct-24 08:01 AM] realharvey#0000 Molp said he's looking into it [16-Oct-24 08:13 AM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, theyโ€™re typically pretty quick to fix in my experience [16-Oct-24 08:13 AM] sidepipe#0000 Just had a 1 hour all hands meeting today that would have been perfect for some prosperous universe ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [16-Oct-24 08:28 AM] antisyntax#0000 down again [16-Oct-24 08:29 AM] antisyntax#0000 right as i was in the middle of CXPOs for repairs lol [16-Oct-24 08:34 AM] antisyntax#0000 was wondering why my PROD lines were over a day, saw that my buildings were at 60% [16-Oct-24 10:22 AM] jcheung#0000 My empire is gonna be fucked ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-Oct-24 10:23 AM] realharvey#0000 it should be mostly fixed by now [16-Oct-24 10:23 AM] jcheung#0000 Oh, but you see [16-Oct-24 10:24 AM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/corgi-tired-corgi-with-food-thinking-nhinking-corgi-gif-4304041815823861638 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/corgi-tired-corgi-with-food-thinking-nhinking-corgi-gif-4304041815823861638 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/6degZFtIY4VMVtEzRccRcsgS4_Cl_Q8n1mxU3K3PKhk/https/media.tenor.com/O7sHOkqbx4YAAAAe/corgi-tired-corgi-with-food.png [16-Oct-24 10:24 AM] realharvey#0000 yeah I see [16-Oct-24 10:24 AM] jcheung#0000 Having 3 ships locked down last night means i couldn't get repair packages shipped on time [16-Oct-24 10:24 AM] jcheung#0000 Nor could i get supply sent over for 2 bases simultaneously [16-Oct-24 10:24 AM] jcheung#0000 Time to triage [16-Oct-24 10:25 AM] jcheung#0000 It's what i get for slacking off i guess [16-Oct-24 10:25 AM] realharvey#0000 you can send me a shipping cont [16-Oct-24 10:26 AM] realharvey#0000 I have 3k/1k capacity at ANT and multiple 2k2ks at HRT [16-Oct-24 05:26 PM] evov#0000 I usually have some spare shipping capacity parked at ANT. Just do what Jvaler did and throw up shipping contracts and put out the bat signal for someone to pick them up. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ [16-Oct-24 05:46 PM] superbadsounds#0000 I should have a 2k/2k back @ ANT in about 8 hours that I can put to work for you as well. [16-Oct-24 05:47 PM] superbadsounds#0000 Just DM me here if you need anything on my end. I'll likely see it here before anything in game this evening. [16-Oct-24 05:59 PM] jcheung#0000 Oh, my problem is i had 3 base visits daisy chained per ship [16-Oct-24 06:00 PM] jcheung#0000 So unless you want to run out a couple extra repair mats it's not worth it [16-Oct-24 08:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 time to repair many things ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-Oct-24 08:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i might have 3 bases that are all below 80%..... [16-Oct-24 08:35 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1296285391036485723/image.png?ex=6814ca19&is=68137899&hm=0626e6a070b463b2b5bcaf3777828e92636d4b3dc2dc390ee66346653c9af621& [16-Oct-24 08:35 PM] tanda#0000 ...yeah [16-Oct-24 08:35 PM] tanda#0000 to be fair, I'm planning on tearing those CHP out [16-Oct-24 10:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ™‚ [17-Oct-24 09:20 AM] razenpok#0000 Okay, this should be enough of a SFK reserve (I hope) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1296477908914798613/image.png?ex=6814d4a4&is=68138324&hm=597be709b7a33a84517aee27ddc518239bd3495a64a809366f742a85ef82107e& {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ [17-Oct-24 06:01 PM] icooper#0000 This seems probably a very basic question, but I started on Harmonia and have a base that is producing somewhat well for a couple days into the game, but I have seen other Harmonia owners mention a local Ice Station Alpha, which i assume means a shorter trip time, and they are using it for water production to fuel farm settlements on Harmonia, once i get enough saved up I want to expand there to free up space on my harmonia base for more farms. Is there an easy way to find Ice Station Alpha? I dont have it on my map that i can find in Antares IV [17-Oct-24 06:10 PM] marat_sh#0000 it's SE-110c [17-Oct-24 06:10 PM] icooper#0000 thx {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [17-Oct-24 06:50 PM] jvaler#0000 open a new buffer, type `PLI`, hit enter [17-Oct-24 06:50 PM] jvaler#0000 then you can search for whatever planet [17-Oct-24 06:53 PM] icooper#0000 ty [17-Oct-24 07:55 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1296637779966693386/image.png?ex=6814c0c9&is=68136f49&hm=42fa5ef89754d92f9ccebeb1d7bb3416d66e0d5ce8925848ca6de51f2379074d& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ก [17-Oct-24 07:55 PM] tanda#0000 some people really don't like making money [17-Oct-24 07:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 At that point Iโ€™d just sell into the reqs [17-Oct-24 07:57 PM] marat_sh#0000 954 days ago... [17-Oct-24 07:57 PM] sidepipe#0000 Flip it ๐Ÿ™‚ [17-Oct-24 07:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh wow [17-Oct-24 07:59 PM] sidepipe#0000 Itโ€™s the perfect opportunity! [17-Oct-24 08:02 PM] tanda#0000 done [17-Oct-24 08:02 PM] tanda#0000 I'm tolerating xenofungus for now [17-Oct-24 09:07 PM] evov#0000 The reality is that prices have memory. People get used to something being worth a certain value and are comfortable continuing to sell at (or refusing to pay more than) what they're used to. To put it in perspective, my rea CX trade activity (note, I'm not actively trying to sell it, I've been using it mostly ) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1296655846259949589/image.png?ex=6814d19c&is=6813801c&hm=76e846b0959d4d07b0744c54997860c193bd6370c19d2194ded1ac4ad3a9ec99& [17-Oct-24 09:09 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I'm aware of the true value of the item. Willing to let the market trend downward, not willing to have someone undercut by half [17-Oct-24 09:09 PM] evov#0000 What IS the true value of the item? [17-Oct-24 09:09 PM] tanda#0000 around 500-600 AIC per unit [17-Oct-24 09:09 PM] tanda#0000 maaaybe as high as 800 [17-Oct-24 09:09 PM] evov#0000 Kinda depends on what brm is worth. Kind of depends how much is being made and how much demand there is for downstream products. [17-Oct-24 09:10 PM] tanda#0000 well BRM costs 25 to make. Transport is the real killer. Cut out that and REA is cheap [17-Oct-24 09:11 PM] tanda#0000 I didn't even really strongly consider starting a REA base until I saw all the gatefuel used REA to be honest [17-Oct-24 09:11 PM] evov#0000 I guess renegades agree's with your thesis on REA pricing. [17-Oct-24 09:11 PM] tanda#0000 shortages correct in time, but new demands generally stay [17-Oct-24 09:12 PM] evov#0000 You're assuming the "old" price was "right" .. and that it wasn't undervalued at the time. Maybe the new price is the fair/reasonable point for it to be at. [17-Oct-24 09:14 PM] tanda#0000 the only assumptions I made were honestly "I hope the price doesn't crash to 450/unit because then the margin is super tight" [17-Oct-24 09:14 PM] tanda#0000 I looked at actual cost of production as a baseline for value rather than historic valuation [17-Oct-24 09:17 PM] evov#0000 Rea is basically just for ships and sci consumables. So it's not exactly a super high volume item with unlimited demand. It's just a middle point between those demands and BRM production. People will repurpose existing CHP bases to make it IF it looks profitable for them AND they can get their hands on BRM. And honestly, it's only really critical for ships... people with FER's will gladly just make ALE or GIN if Rea price is too high. [17-Oct-24 09:19 PM] tanda#0000 I get it's niche, but it's also niche, easy to transport, not made in any bulk when it's not 800/unit, and has future demand expansions. [17-Oct-24 09:19 PM] tanda#0000 I don't plan on cornering the market, but this will be an export operation soon [18-Oct-24 12:45 PM] getonthetrain#0000 The C is back to getting a little crazy {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1296891978201432104/image.png?ex=681504c6&is=6813b346&hm=e1e64efd16dbd543d1e2e75e466ca1b04731e4f0a0b4b51d735164ff4ff7bfbf& [18-Oct-24 12:46 PM] tanda#0000 Well @evany. Is still moving [18-Oct-24 12:47 PM] tanda#0000 I have a full base of INC only running single burn, I could expand production but I would need partners for MAI [18-Oct-24 12:48 PM] marat_sh#0000 Speaking of INS... Do you have some available? ๐Ÿ‘‰ ๐Ÿ‘ˆ [18-Oct-24 12:49 PM] tanda#0000 I should early tomorrow morning [18-Oct-24 12:49 PM] tanda#0000 About 12 hours [18-Oct-24 12:50 PM] marat_sh#0000 Awesome ๐Ÿ‘ I will send you contract and you can fill it whenever [18-Oct-24 12:53 PM] igfloz#0000 I think I mentioned this earlier. I have 1K GRN just idling at Nascent if it's any help ? [18-Oct-24 01:14 PM] tanda#0000 I have GRN unfortunately [18-Oct-24 02:25 PM] evany.#0000 Iโ€™m hoping to be operational Tuesday, I should have 6~8k c if my stuff is still running [18-Oct-24 06:01 PM] jvaler#0000 goddamn {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1296971408852783194/image.png?ex=6814a600&is=68135480&hm=32f70acbfb41e3a7ba283bfb1bfc1b9e120aa3a3d65ea6c65ec7eb7d771a09d6& [18-Oct-24 06:15 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/g8gPQH1dRkz.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-helldivers-2-hellpod-helldive-helldivers-2-hellpod-gif-5849478231444523081 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/QGTcxeeFgzSAQMpNac3uhRi2FRTxvgGNjgMF7bOiOp8/https/media.tenor.com/US2FdaqhiEkAAAAe/helldivers-helldivers-2.png [18-Oct-24 10:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 good news bears I repaired elon at 42% [18-Oct-24 10:46 PM] tanda#0000 That sounds expensive [18-Oct-24 10:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah :3 [18-Oct-24 10:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 there is a reason now that my first screen I see includes things I need to repair [18-Oct-24 10:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Thalassa-d is next on the rotation [18-Oct-24 10:54 PM] jcheung#0000 ...anyone have a tool to show projected repair materials at x time? [18-Oct-24 11:04 PM] jvaler#0000 `XIT REPAIRS` time offset variable [18-Oct-24 11:05 PM] jvaler#0000 i think the repair calculator could work too if you don't have the building ingame to use as a reference https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ELsfw4ii1hQFWDd-BL4JzwqHc-wGVXbJtvAeprv0pZ0/edit#gid=0 {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ELsfw4ii1hQFWDd-BL4JzwqHc-wGVXbJtvAeprv0pZ0/edit PrUn repair guide https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/0UOf9Tbo6hlYquAX92T2GZTV5g6tQccmB7x9WZEGd3U/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyKPA_JTtaELHCZZy9oewk3pFyDqumRjmR_Av1PVvWtkS7WdP1eFEw-DldUMaMxg3OUnUUHlAMIofL30jEe8bph8Mz6NarHrNGVYKQo78Vx5Tn7WWtoi%3Dw1200-h630-p [19-Oct-24 10:29 AM] jcheung#0000 PSL price just spiked o.o {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1297219994274500608/image.png?ex=6814e4c3&is=68139343&hm=efc88142e4e89122b982da32b7a604cab0d45ff34c25571c5afc6067e87a5cd3& [19-Oct-24 10:49 AM] realharvey#0000 looks like someone is trying market shenanigans [19-Oct-24 10:55 AM] realharvey#0000 Didnt see I was undercutting you. [19-Oct-24 10:55 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You're not. [19-Oct-24 10:56 AM] realharvey#0000 I adjusted my Order so I do not anymore [19-Oct-24 10:56 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 jcheung has order priority, due to date of order ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Oct-24 10:58 AM] realharvey#0000 yeah thats why I changed my Sell Order from 4390 to 4400 [19-Oct-24 11:03 AM] jcheung#0000 my listing has been there for a long time [19-Oct-24 11:03 AM] jcheung#0000 i don't mind if it stays there for a while [19-Oct-24 11:54 AM] tanda#0000 WEL base is still getting its feet back under it, I'll have more stock in a week or two [19-Oct-24 11:54 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1297241505353699359/image.png?ex=6814f8cc&is=6813a74c&hm=27b92e8e39b694e0a475d4b6c2e930416f4f95bf8ea0abaefba371452c6c94c8& [19-Oct-24 12:02 PM] pxlfox.#0000 How does the MTRA action in PMMG work? [19-Oct-24 12:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 In XIT action? [19-Oct-24 12:03 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Yes [19-Oct-24 12:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Uh you open a buffer with MTRA [19-Oct-24 12:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Then the XIT action will cycle through the materials and amounts [19-Oct-24 12:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You just need to hit the change and transfer button that appears in XIT action buffer [19-Oct-24 12:04 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Im always getting an error when trying and am not sure why [19-Oct-24 12:04 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Going to try it later and send a screenshot [19-Oct-24 12:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok [19-Oct-24 12:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1297251403990962226/Screenshot_2024-10-19_103321.png?ex=68150204&is=6813b084&hm=c7d64e1089bbc7feaf16de74195d9bf49f41e1631b9cb82572c0c07f2352e565& [19-Oct-24 12:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 that's some water [19-Oct-24 12:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-kermit-kermit-meme-kermit-water-kermit-waterfall-gif-24226895 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-kermit-kermit-meme-kermit-water-kermit-waterfall-gif-24226895 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/3v5I8Q9CYkbiIaiNONSKCiT2VQsFcETGOW3S2SJ1hN8/https/media.tenor.com/B37J0OvzgVoAAAAe/kermit-the-frog-kermit.png [19-Oct-24 12:43 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JZpOEntU6I {Embed} RED Lion Movie Shorts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JZpOEntU6I Men In Black 2 - "Flush Me Jay" Scene (1080p) FULL HD For More Men in Black Videos - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLainponqoUGNKBZPYwIZmD0xa_SZ6i3mE https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/oqmsJSx0VIDdfDW5152qn64xEM6ApDIyPqZ7K0bMaIg/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/1JZpOEntU6I/maxresdefault.jpg [19-Oct-24 12:46 PM] zipatsu#0000 https://imgur.com/a/3hJvrOH {Embed} https://imgur.com/a/3hJvrOH H20.AI1 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/mvrbHi2Jq66cJKe_CsI3-15fKpFwopSMPza5wQufr1U/https/i.imgur.com/d5IMbUhh.jpg [19-Oct-24 12:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/eminem-guess-whos-back-again-gif-8309515 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/eminem-guess-whos-back-again-gif-8309515 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/drF89KaU4b1nRfG-3xB6oy1bo5xoke9vCr9OGq2LtPw/https/media.tenor.com/PJL0A1NPITcAAAAe/eminem-guess-whos-back-again.png [19-Oct-24 12:52 PM] getonthetrain#0000 https://tenor.com/view/thirsty-mad-max-fury-road-water-waterfall-warner-bros-entertainment-gif-12950504906500695547 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/thirsty-mad-max-fury-road-water-waterfall-warner-bros-entertainment-gif-12950504906500695547 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/mDHPp3bwiY2-p9qjd7twqt591s_CONTnVexYIVKcZ0s/https/media.tenor.com/s7lvmQXtZfsAAAAe/thirsty-mad-max-fury-road.png [19-Oct-24 01:03 PM] tanda#0000 thank god [19-Oct-24 01:03 PM] tanda#0000 that ought to keep costs down for a bit {Reactions} ๐Ÿคž [19-Oct-24 01:09 PM] igfloz#0000 OMG............ I appreciate you ! {Reactions} โœŒ๏ธ [19-Oct-24 03:49 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 .... [19-Oct-24 03:49 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Can I ask for an ADI grant, to buy out Ziptatsu? <-- complete joke. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Oct-24 03:50 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If this happens within the next week... It's not my fault. [19-Oct-24 04:31 PM] tanda#0000 Looks like PT is about to spike {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1297311309381107863/image.png?ex=6814910f&is=68133f8f&hm=8d2ce3460b23b4ed85e90efe376ffad39f81b32f31d0dbde6ef3c491088846ed& [19-Oct-24 04:50 PM] evov#0000 I think if it's only 1 CX, price spikes last less than a week because CX-CX shippers/traders will jump all over that margin like a fat kid on cake. One of the major things I look at when anticipating a major shortage - volume. How much gets traded over a week, how much supply on the CX. Roughly, 25k traded per week. 60k+ available on the CX. I might be wrong, but I wouldn't be too worried about anything other than a short term regional spike. If it does run dry I'll throw a few thousand up there. [19-Oct-24 04:50 PM] tanda#0000 I'm no longer worried, lol. I bought 1k instead of 100 and I'm good for a few base refills now [19-Oct-24 04:51 PM] tanda#0000 I'm just in the habit of throwing thin markets in here as a headsup [19-Oct-24 04:51 PM] evov#0000 It's a public service. Thank you ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Oct-24 08:18 PM] jvaler#0000 been waiting for it that's why i helped drive it down, wanted to push producers out so i could sell my own stock =P [19-Oct-24 08:18 PM] jvaler#0000 though i think i sold too much at the low price, only 3k is left of my higher order [19-Oct-24 08:19 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, been too many BMP bases in operation for far too long chasing the market prices down on those [19-Oct-24 08:20 PM] tanda#0000 And nobody spares a thought for MCG, lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1297368753922904094/image.png?ex=6814c68e&is=6813750e&hm=8a706bcf7b309504015d039bac7d00f1fd3d815e042c7feff924df83183619fa& [19-Oct-24 08:50 PM] jcheung#0000 oh wow [19-Oct-24 08:50 PM] jcheung#0000 it's already creeping back up there? [19-Oct-24 08:50 PM] jcheung#0000 i didn't think it would be up there for months to come [19-Oct-24 08:50 PM] tanda#0000 it's been pushed back to the MM almost every time I touch it [19-Oct-24 08:51 PM] jcheung#0000 heh. it was down to like [19-Oct-24 08:51 PM] jcheung#0000 32? a week ago [19-Oct-24 08:52 PM] jcheung#0000 i bet if you can wait a couple days you could list at 32 buy and get a hit [19-Oct-24 08:52 PM] tanda#0000 hopefully, margins on MCG are still awfully tight [19-Oct-24 08:53 PM] tanda#0000 ahhhh LST has been spiking for the last two weeks {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [19-Oct-24 08:54 PM] marat_sh#0000 I do be selling MCG for quite a while... [19-Oct-24 08:54 PM] marat_sh#0000 my main problem that I can't ship all of it [19-Oct-24 08:55 PM] evov#0000 Hi. I might have a solution to that issue ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Oct-24 08:55 PM] marat_sh#0000 Heph -> ANT? or new ship? ๐Ÿ˜… [19-Oct-24 08:56 PM] tanda#0000 probably the new ship, lol [19-Oct-24 08:57 PM] evov#0000 Both really. I'm regularly sending empty ships from Heph to ANT. [19-Oct-24 09:00 PM] marat_sh#0000 I will keep it in mind [19-Oct-24 09:06 PM] marat_sh#0000 trying to fix EXO shortage first [19-Oct-24 09:09 PM] evov#0000 There's an exo shortage? [19-Oct-24 09:12 PM] marat_sh#0000 not really [19-Oct-24 09:12 PM] marat_sh#0000 but price above 280/u [19-Oct-24 09:12 PM] marat_sh#0000 it used to be like 210-220/u ๐Ÿ˜… [19-Oct-24 09:14 PM] jcheung#0000 probably because of AL price increase [19-Oct-24 09:24 PM] marat_sh#0000 I was looking closely... at 210/u it as at the cost to make or at the loss [19-Oct-24 09:24 PM] marat_sh#0000 people stopped making them [19-Oct-24 09:25 PM] marat_sh#0000 and now we are here again [19-Oct-24 09:25 PM] marat_sh#0000 it's fine I am spitting ~700 per day now should be enough until people get there on the market [20-Oct-24 12:30 AM] tanda#0000 anybody with cheap access to water and an FP base should start churning out DW right about now [20-Oct-24 12:31 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1297431864272883722/image.png?ex=68150155&is=6813afd5&hm=f662cc7063f886b8a2ded983a01f7f0fae30b3a2e0fd314e5a11577e013ce292& [20-Oct-24 03:27 AM] laaxus#0000 at current h2o market price, it's better to make fim [20-Oct-24 03:28 AM] laaxus#0000 so I won't do it But yeah, if you have an h2o base, make dw [20-Oct-24 04:05 AM] laaxus#0000 @sidepipe could I trade NCC to AIC with you ? [20-Oct-24 11:24 AM] sidepipe#0000 Yes, send conts ๐Ÿ™‚ [20-Oct-24 11:25 AM] laaxus#0000 is 1.5M ok ? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [20-Oct-24 11:43 AM] sidepipe#0000 Seems like everyone wants to get rid of NCC - are prices there higher than ANT? [20-Oct-24 11:44 AM] laaxus#0000 I sold pe there [20-Oct-24 11:44 AM] laaxus#0000 but now I'm getting rid of bmp [20-Oct-24 11:44 AM] laaxus#0000 not worth my hephaestus area [20-Oct-24 11:46 AM] sidepipe#0000 Gotcha ๐Ÿ™‚ [20-Oct-24 11:47 AM] sidepipe#0000 At least anecdotally, it seems like there are lots of people selling into MOR, but not many buying there for export. FX volume from NCC out is quite low [20-Oct-24 11:58 AM] kelvinfu#0000 Prices at moria tend to be high, so people sell stuff to lowstrife and don't have much to ship back out. [20-Oct-24 12:01 PM] kelvinfu#0000 I know my production pipeline buys inputs at HRT and eventually sells pretty much everything at Moria. [20-Oct-24 02:36 PM] laaxus#0000 at what % do you repair your ships ? [20-Oct-24 02:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Before it gets below 80% [20-Oct-24 02:39 PM] sidepipe#0000 around 80% [20-Oct-24 02:39 PM] sidepipe#0000 that's when they begin slowing down [20-Oct-24 02:50 PM] marat_sh#0000 81-82% [20-Oct-24 02:52 PM] laaxus#0000 thx [20-Oct-24 02:52 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1297648748817682542/image.png?ex=681479d2&is=68132852&hm=2a83fe26a9b22d5d822b1c3320b2529429c73abf4bd344fa05fda91dcbc9e13b& [20-Oct-24 02:52 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1qZL4cRM7tAIJmJkKEq5tIGuugbQsrEKoSolsuTaKaM/https/media.tenor.com/sG58s82gxywAAAAe/sweats.png [20-Oct-24 02:54 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1297649232173596773/image.png?ex=68147a46&is=681328c6&hm=856be539d571bd44bef8f759e6b9f081811742fe2bc3a70efd230e3a2affb147& [20-Oct-24 02:55 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/sTmQcqm7BO8.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/ocean-park-roy-chiken-chicken-rooster-gif-15719325597742543552 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/gBVxWGgQCglOYBoiPXsjoxMIy2kr87qlIeZS8LjydlY/https/media.tenor.com/2iZDWLomMsAAAAAe/ocean-park-roy.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜„ [20-Oct-24 03:50 PM] jcheung#0000 well damn, someone just bought 12k c from that fucker driving up c prices [20-Oct-24 03:52 PM] .shiva.#0000 worked out for me lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1297663651922313306/image.png?ex=681487b4&is=68133634&hm=247e097450c918142f61f21897f6813266ccab34a8d459b81c65dc0ab64d7a0c& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [20-Oct-24 04:15 PM] tanda#0000 anybody available to ship 3k/3k out to Nascent for me? [20-Oct-24 04:19 PM] jcheung#0000 that'll probably need 2 ships [20-Oct-24 04:19 PM] jcheung#0000 how soon? [20-Oct-24 04:20 PM] jcheung#0000 and from where [20-Oct-24 04:20 PM] tanda#0000 ANT to Nascent, As soon as available [20-Oct-24 04:20 PM] tanda#0000 Time to stop putting off running triple burn [20-Oct-24 04:21 PM] jcheung#0000 i have a 3k/1k at ANT right this second, but my LCB won't be available for a while [20-Oct-24 04:21 PM] jvaler#0000 ~~is that ALO or C?~~ i've got a 2k/2k and 3k/1k with some downtime rn [20-Oct-24 04:21 PM] jvaler#0000 or wait [20-Oct-24 04:21 PM] jvaler#0000 ship out to nascent... uncommon lol [20-Oct-24 04:22 PM] tanda#0000 all my ships are inbound at this time, but 4+ hours out. If you can ship the 1k MAI out, I can handle the 2k HCP that will follow [20-Oct-24 04:22 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I've been stockpiling HCP for a couple weeks at ANT [20-Oct-24 04:23 PM] igfloz#0000 I have a 3/1 thats about 4 hours out from ANT also - I guess I'm not much help lol [20-Oct-24 04:24 PM] tanda#0000 I sent you a contract [20-Oct-24 04:24 PM] jvaler#0000 don't need the LCB? [20-Oct-24 04:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think I have an LCB at ANT [20-Oct-24 04:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 If needed [20-Oct-24 04:25 PM] tanda#0000 sent you a contract for that LCB [20-Oct-24 04:26 PM] tanda#0000 thanks Hal, I'm sorted now {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [20-Oct-24 04:26 PM] jvaler#0000 yay i get dibs [20-Oct-24 04:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well I might have one going there empty anywaysโ€ฆ [20-Oct-24 04:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Gotta get me some ALOโ˜บ๏ธ [20-Oct-24 04:30 PM] jcheung#0000 rip. that's unfortunate [20-Oct-24 04:32 PM] tanda#0000 Given my current production, I guess I'm looking to buy roughly 70 units per day of MAI from someone [20-Oct-24 04:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Meh it happens [21-Oct-24 01:14 AM] evov#0000 can confirm - I always seem to have more NCC than I know what to do with. I end up buying whatever metal is cheapest in MOR and sending it back to ANT. [21-Oct-24 07:23 AM] tanda#0000 I've been noticing that the spread on LFABs right now is like 10% of ASK price. From a market perspective, what is this a symptom of? [21-Oct-24 07:27 AM] realharvey#0000 Ask price has gone down because Demand is lower than Supply [21-Oct-24 02:30 PM] pxlfox.#0000 any google spreadsheet experts willing to help somebody, who tries his best to find out how to achive things without building complete web apps from stretch ๐Ÿ˜… [21-Oct-24 02:31 PM] laaxus#0000 you can do plenty with excel and math [21-Oct-24 02:32 PM] laaxus#0000 what are you strugling with [21-Oct-24 02:33 PM] pxlfox.#0000 first, I already found the option to import data from FIO via the CSV endpoints [21-Oct-24 02:34 PM] pxlfox.#0000 but I find them annoying to incoorparte into my calculations - I have to find the correct row for a mat and then find the corresponding column to referense it somewhere else [21-Oct-24 02:35 PM] pxlfox.#0000 is there an easier way? [21-Oct-24 02:35 PM] laaxus#0000 HLookup / Vlookup ? [21-Oct-24 02:36 PM] pxlfox.#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฑ [21-Oct-24 02:36 PM] pxlfox.#0000 that's perfect! [21-Oct-24 02:37 PM] laaxus#0000 I like "find" and xlookup better personnaly [21-Oct-24 02:37 PM] laaxus#0000 up to you [21-Oct-24 02:38 PM] .shiva.#0000 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/xlookup-function-b7fd680e-6d10-43e6-84f9-88eae8bf5929 {Embed} https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/xlookup-function-b7fd680e-6d10-43e6-84f9-88eae8bf5929 XLOOKUP function - Microsoft Support Use the XLOOKUP function when you need to find things in a table or a range by row. For example, look up theย price of an automotive part by the part number, or find an employee name based on their employee ID. With XLOOKUP, you can look in one column for a search term, and return a result from the same row in another column, regardless of which ... [21-Oct-24 02:40 PM] pxlfox.#0000 ok - next: I found the new "tables" in sheets. Is there a way to reference data dynamically? Let's take this not so imaginary example: I want to create a shipping schedule and have a table with all my ships, there name, volume and mass capacity. On my second table, the schedule, I would love a column, where I can select all given ships in the first table (like the select buttons, but dynamically). Is that possible? [21-Oct-24 02:41 PM] laaxus#0000 yes, I did it but it was not pretty [21-Oct-24 02:41 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Next, I would love a column in the "schedule" table with the already occupied space (lets call it A) and a second column (B), which takes the maximum volume/mass of the given ship (defined in the "ships" table), and substracts A from it, and prints out the still available space in B. [21-Oct-24 02:42 PM] laaxus#0000 for example, in a not so imaginary example, I wanted to print (for a building) every profitable recipe, ordered by profitability [21-Oct-24 02:43 PM] laaxus#0000 so I took the range, put a filter for profitability, sorted by profitability and printed [21-Oct-24 02:43 PM] laaxus#0000 downside is that there is 40 null lines below it [21-Oct-24 02:44 PM] pxlfox.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1298009111140499558/image.png?ex=681477ef&is=6813266f&hm=3d942b6207e3676cc87e7fe10b4d50b66dd939b791682f52b44bcd8a8fe0129c& [21-Oct-24 02:45 PM] pxlfox.#0000 this "ship" column should be feed by this one [21-Oct-24 02:45 PM] pxlfox.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1298009208716922950/image.png?ex=68147807&is=68132687&hm=1b0c29f90dfb8ad92eb592f5be82f625918c13642505ed44e12eae2675006ef5& [21-Oct-24 02:46 PM] laaxus#0000 honestly Idk [21-Oct-24 02:46 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm going to bed so I can't help you more [21-Oct-24 02:46 PM] laaxus#0000 but ask chatgpt, it's very powerful [21-Oct-24 02:46 PM] pxlfox.#0000 It's alright, you already did ๐Ÿ™‚ [21-Oct-24 02:46 PM] pxlfox.#0000 thank you ^^ [21-Oct-24 02:48 PM] pxlfox.#0000 ... that's the problem with beeing a programmer - I know I could just program a custom app for all that stuff and wouldn't need to rely on some weird Google sheets shenanigans... but this would take longer then it takes to actually learn how to use Google sheets ๐Ÿ˜… ๐Ÿ™ˆ [21-Oct-24 02:55 PM] jcheung#0000 So this should be fed by "name"? [21-Oct-24 02:56 PM] jcheung#0000 What do you have feeding it now? [21-Oct-24 02:56 PM] pxlfox.#0000 manually configured options [21-Oct-24 02:57 PM] jcheung#0000 Uh. Going off memory, go into "data validation" (how you made it a dropdown) and then there should be an option for data from range {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [21-Oct-24 02:57 PM] jcheung#0000 More accurate info in an hr when i haul my fat ass out of bed [21-Oct-24 02:59 PM] realharvey#0000 I actually found LLM's very helpfull when having Excel difficulties [21-Oct-24 02:59 PM] realharvey#0000 jsut describe what you are trying to achieve [21-Oct-24 02:59 PM] realharvey#0000 and they usually tell you the formula you have to use for that pretty well [21-Oct-24 03:20 PM] pxlfox.#0000 yepp, looked for that option for at least 10 minutes earlier - it was hidden behind a dropdown menu ๐Ÿซ  I knew there must be something like that... [21-Oct-24 03:21 PM] pxlfox.#0000 that helped me already a lot folks, thank you ๐Ÿ˜Š [21-Oct-24 03:22 PM] laaxus#0000 Gpt 4o is really strong [21-Oct-24 03:25 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm not a pro but i have a fair amount of experience with sheets, so let me know if you have any more questions [21-Oct-24 03:25 PM] jcheung#0000 ...also did you know you can define variables in a formula using LET()? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [21-Oct-24 03:25 PM] jcheung#0000 you can also map and reduce [21-Oct-24 03:26 PM] pxlfox.#0000 ... maybe I really have to up my sheet game [21-Oct-24 03:26 PM] jcheung#0000 sort, filter (you probably already knew these) [21-Oct-24 03:27 PM] pxlfox.#0000 if I get my shipping schedule the way I want it, I'm already really happy [21-Oct-24 03:27 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [21-Oct-24 03:27 PM] jcheung#0000 i spend hours fiddling with google sheets and i feel like i barely scratch the surface [22-Oct-24 02:05 AM] evov#0000 I'll commonly just manually search stuff within specific groups this way... it's not as "clean" but functional for my needs -> For example - If I've got a full list of all the recipes in the game, put them in a table, and I want to look at just ones with an electronics COGC - {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1298180461641601077/image.png?ex=68151785&is=6813c605&hm=98cc984d81cd1f094adc2b658c1eb2509934dfb3feec14e307a993232a8ac287& [22-Oct-24 05:09 AM] laaxus#0000 - Me selling pe at almost break even to sell my stock - see people undercutting me [22-Oct-24 05:14 AM] laaxus#0000 - See the same happening with rep [22-Oct-24 05:14 AM] laaxus#0000 If I'm not allowed to sell my rep, then nobody will [22-Oct-24 05:14 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1298228075909222420/Screenshot_2024-10-22-12-14-25-046_org.mozilla.firefox.jpg?ex=68149b1d&is=6813499d&hm=d34775b3329720c06ecba35ff92072106e77ce21c6bc0fa0881d471ec8818355& [22-Oct-24 05:28 AM] jcheung#0000 what price is break even for you for PE [22-Oct-24 05:31 AM] jcheung#0000 ah. [22-Oct-24 05:31 AM] jcheung#0000 yoink [22-Oct-24 05:31 AM] jcheung#0000 guess i'm not buying PE again for a few months [22-Oct-24 05:33 AM] laaxus#0000 Now is a good Time buying pe if you need it [22-Oct-24 05:34 AM] laaxus#0000 Producing it, probably not [22-Oct-24 05:38 AM] realharvey#0000 Cost per unit is 6,24 so there is still enoguh margin. Current C prices skyrocketet at ANT but you shouldnt buy it for that price. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1298233981535518811/image.png?ex=6814a09d&is=68134f1d&hm=52d9fe773e883bb8213c1ddf1fddab17c40a3e882bbd0395831bffd57b8cf3e5& [22-Oct-24 05:39 AM] jcheung#0000 yeah, because that moke jerk keeps buying things up, and other people are too impatient to wait for it to come down [22-Oct-24 05:40 AM] jcheung#0000 if whoever bought 12k c had just thrown a buy order for like 800/u i'm sure it would have been filled out within a few hours [22-Oct-24 05:40 AM] realharvey#0000 PE looks very terrible if you just source from one CX. I agree on that lol [22-Oct-24 05:41 AM] laaxus#0000 it gives people adrenaline rush [22-Oct-24 05:41 AM] realharvey#0000 there are currently no buy orders getting filled on C. I am always 1 AIC ahead of others [22-Oct-24 05:41 AM] laaxus#0000 I was saying the same about someone buying 10M worth of Al [22-Oct-24 05:42 AM] realharvey#0000 PE is up to 9 AIC. Cleared the market a little for ya [22-Oct-24 05:42 AM] jcheung#0000 they are, i watched one for 745 be filled last night, as i was checking on it [22-Oct-24 05:43 AM] jcheung#0000 granted it was only like 80 or so c [22-Oct-24 05:43 AM] jcheung#0000 right here {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1298235269744558121/image.png?ex=6814a1d0&is=68135050&hm=10fec8095d8f7c63c243fb24c850329e3c773c45607660aa00fa409a1f750d50& [22-Oct-24 05:44 AM] realharvey#0000 this will last me for over 30 days now lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1298235596766056478/image.png?ex=6814a21e&is=6813509e&hm=4cfe3a1380d75f3ce183ec8af15dcb9cc0f077edc3d86112005f1d430ff83eba& [22-Oct-24 05:44 AM] jcheung#0000 and i just watched another small sale to 743 [22-Oct-24 05:45 AM] jcheung#0000 which is where you are [22-Oct-24 05:45 AM] jcheung#0000 so again, a buy order at 800 would have been filled pretty quick [22-Oct-24 05:45 AM] laaxus#0000 Thanks [22-Oct-24 06:26 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Savage [22-Oct-24 07:13 AM] realharvey#0000 I don't buy at those wild prices tho. ๐Ÿ˜… I don't want to up my Lfab prices by 100-200 for that price hike [22-Oct-24 07:23 AM] tanda#0000 I'm jealous! I have 180k PE across all my bases and that's only going to last me 20 days [22-Oct-24 07:23 AM] tanda#0000 these INS bases literally eat PE for breakfast [22-Oct-24 07:44 AM] tanda#0000 welp, there go all my MHL [22-Oct-24 09:13 AM] realharvey#0000 I do believe, that we should encourage more people to get into the C production business [22-Oct-24 09:14 AM] realharvey#0000 C prices on ANT are currently fluctuating quite a lot, If we'd trade more internally of that we would prevent those CX shenanigans that inflate the C prices [22-Oct-24 09:15 AM] laaxus#0000 I've been doing that [22-Oct-24 09:15 AM] laaxus#0000 But people keep recommending BMP for the agp [22-Oct-24 09:16 AM] tanda#0000 Problem is c production is two bases [22-Oct-24 09:17 AM] realharvey#0000 Yeah no real way around that. Also shipping is to heavy [22-Oct-24 09:18 AM] razenpok#0000 C production can be a one three-burn base on Harmonia [22-Oct-24 09:18 AM] razenpok#0000 For a beginner that's a very viable option [22-Oct-24 09:42 AM] akyantor#0000 tbh, no bad thing to say split the 1m between forming two bases to get a C chain moving... it's essentially how I started and very reliably money. [22-Oct-24 09:42 AM] akyantor#0000 You don't have to sink all the money into one base [22-Oct-24 09:43 AM] akyantor#0000 Get two going, and use the profits to fill out both bases {Reactions} โœ… (2) [22-Oct-24 10:44 AM] realharvey#0000 How did you manage shipping? [22-Oct-24 10:45 AM] akyantor#0000 If you're not filling out two full bases straight away it's perfectly doable [22-Oct-24 10:46 AM] akyantor#0000 I'm pretty sure I managed fine with even a third base before I got WCB upgrades [22-Oct-24 11:18 AM] marat_sh#0000 benefits of loan free I don't have to constantly sell... Getting my REP stockpile for next drought ๐Ÿ˜… {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [22-Oct-24 11:21 AM] realharvey#0000 most loans I've taken where with payment rates that I could easily cover with I had in existing bases [22-Oct-24 11:33 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/anthony-adams-hand-rub-gif-4550607172171818262 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/anthony-adams-hand-rub-gif-4550607172171818262 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/jSbE2jBoUMhZst3GPHvxoePFq1TG9yBsGeK6RSC8syw/https/media.tenor.com/PycBHOmlZRYAAAAe/anthony-adams-hand-rub.png [22-Oct-24 11:33 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I hear profits? [22-Oct-24 11:34 AM] realharvey#0000 create a C base = easy Profit [22-Oct-24 11:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Sounds good [22-Oct-24 11:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 How does one create a C base [22-Oct-24 11:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Grow plants, burn and sell? [22-Oct-24 11:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 C fits into my vertical integration, so why not [22-Oct-24 11:35 AM] realharvey#0000 thats how its done [22-Oct-24 11:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Let me look at the recipesโ€ฆ [22-Oct-24 11:36 AM] realharvey#0000 you should focus un single or double inputs first [22-Oct-24 11:36 AM] realharvey#0000 one base can not supply a tripple burn base afaik [22-Oct-24 11:37 AM] laaxus#0000 or just buy every input from the cx [22-Oct-24 11:38 AM] realharvey#0000 CX Supply is not enough for that [22-Oct-24 11:38 AM] realharvey#0000 enough water to supply a base? Yes. Anything else? Oh boy you will be screwed soon [22-Oct-24 11:38 AM] laaxus#0000 i've been told that for month about my fp base [22-Oct-24 11:38 AM] laaxus#0000 still holding quite well {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [22-Oct-24 11:39 AM] realharvey#0000 whats your daily need on greens? [22-Oct-24 11:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 what are good green planets in Antares? [22-Oct-24 11:40 AM] realharvey#0000 Harmonia [22-Oct-24 11:41 AM] laaxus#0000 why need grn [22-Oct-24 11:41 AM] laaxus#0000 mai is good enough [22-Oct-24 11:42 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1298325579636146266/image.png?ex=6814f5eb&is=6813a46b&hm=cc332894076fdc7740d4f419d803ac4cddb215fbe556e8d95f552966659b58a5& [22-Oct-24 11:42 AM] realharvey#0000 When I said "greens" I meant any basic Agri product [22-Oct-24 11:42 AM] laaxus#0000 there's 100 days worth of consumption sitting @ANT [22-Oct-24 11:42 AM] pxlfox.#0000 how about Promitor or Demeter? [22-Oct-24 11:42 AM] laaxus#0000 call me crazy [22-Oct-24 11:42 AM] laaxus#0000 but I believe one INC base won't eat that [22-Oct-24 11:43 AM] realharvey#0000 Promitor is in western antares. (Also known as Hortus) [22-Oct-24 11:43 AM] realharvey#0000 You can not go onto Promitor unless you started there [22-Oct-24 11:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 yeah, should have looked at the map, first ๐Ÿ™ƒ [22-Oct-24 11:44 AM] laaxus#0000 anyway, no need for a frm base [22-Oct-24 11:45 AM] laaxus#0000 you can start a nascent INC base and rely on cx [22-Oct-24 11:45 AM] realharvey#0000 One Permit could make okayish profit for a start to grow on Harmonia alone {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1298326341476683777/image.png?ex=6814f6a1&is=6813a521&hm=4db6583b3e60250df41d1d13cd6b1a2ae42e3f2ec2ab704bbd596684423441fc& [22-Oct-24 11:45 AM] pxlfox.#0000 46.000 is in my books already quite good [22-Oct-24 11:45 AM] realharvey#0000 20 day ROI with CM included [22-Oct-24 11:45 AM] laaxus#0000 might as well just do full FRM and produce HER [22-Oct-24 11:46 AM] laaxus#0000 it would be a better investment [22-Oct-24 11:47 AM] pxlfox.#0000 collect water yourself or buy it? [22-Oct-24 11:47 AM] laaxus#0000 buy it [22-Oct-24 11:48 AM] laaxus#0000 one ship = 25 days worth of input [22-Oct-24 11:49 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1298327390476304528/image.png?ex=6814f79b&is=6813a61b&hm=c8da0c9d325c1d95376f09ba341e0d456d26cc87b1b02404aca6f291bd522899& [22-Oct-24 11:49 AM] laaxus#0000 ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [22-Oct-24 11:51 AM] realharvey#0000 A full HER base might look more appealing but it does produce 40 HER a day. Daily traded on ANT CX is also 40. Overall also quite low Supply/Demand which means no one should rely on the cx for HER {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1298327852948656209/image.png?ex=6814f809&is=6813a689&hm=f54f05a2b087bc1fbac3dbda11b3a14f1855f36d144f82a2e6159701b74bd206& [22-Oct-24 11:51 AM] realharvey#0000 it looks good on numbers. but will probably crash the market. Meaning high risk endeavor [22-Oct-24 11:51 AM] laaxus#0000 I've been relying on the CX for 3 weeks on her, no issue [22-Oct-24 11:52 AM] realharvey#0000 3 weeks means nothing [22-Oct-24 11:52 AM] laaxus#0000 what's the issue [22-Oct-24 11:52 AM] laaxus#0000 why everybody talk about recipe diversity for bmp [22-Oct-24 11:52 AM] laaxus#0000 but not for fp [22-Oct-24 11:52 AM] laaxus#0000 what's this double standard [22-Oct-24 11:52 AM] laaxus#0000 I go from producing FIM to MEA to DW to plain rat [22-Oct-24 11:52 AM] realharvey#0000 I am not criticising your FP choice. I am saying that a full Harmonia HER base would be high risk [22-Oct-24 11:52 AM] sidepipe#0000 Volume on the CX? [22-Oct-24 11:52 AM] laaxus#0000 and have been consistently doing 140k profit a day for 30 days [22-Oct-24 11:53 AM] laaxus#0000 my fp base has been already repaid [22-Oct-24 11:53 AM] laaxus#0000 stop saying non sense [22-Oct-24 11:53 AM] laaxus#0000 you can rely on cx [22-Oct-24 11:53 AM] sidepipe#0000 Yes, but weโ€™re talking about growing HER? [22-Oct-24 11:54 AM] sidepipe#0000 Which as mentioned before has low traded volume on the CX. Not that itโ€™s not worth it, but is it worth it for Pxl to take that risk? [22-Oct-24 11:54 AM] getonthetrain#0000 If you don't buy from the CX, people don't put their products there. If you do, they will. Things will fix themselves in time. [22-Oct-24 11:54 AM] realharvey#0000 They will, but I would not recommend starters to take that risk {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [22-Oct-24 11:56 AM] laaxus#0000 if you have a full FRM base producing her, I'd buy your whole production at min(2400, ask)/u @pxlfox. [22-Oct-24 11:56 AM] realharvey#0000 When you go the FIM -> MEA route you are not putting a lot of strain on the CX market, since it isnt as volume intensive [22-Oct-24 11:56 AM] laaxus#0000 starter ? no [22-Oct-24 11:56 AM] laaxus#0000 for a starter, certainly not [22-Oct-24 11:56 AM] laaxus#0000 for a third base onwards ? why not [22-Oct-24 11:57 AM] realharvey#0000 In my opinion you should be in 10th base territory to take such risks [22-Oct-24 11:58 AM] laaxus#0000 I believe you overestimates the risk [22-Oct-24 11:58 AM] laaxus#0000 but you do you [22-Oct-24 11:58 AM] realharvey#0000 I've been like you in the past before. Chasing 100k + Base profits at all cost and not caring about the market [22-Oct-24 11:59 AM] realharvey#0000 I've learned in the long run that that is not healthy business [22-Oct-24 11:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I have a question about the current C market [22-Oct-24 11:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 if I may... [22-Oct-24 11:59 AM] prozer#0000 what's the question ? [22-Oct-24 11:59 AM] laaxus#0000 https://dontasktoask.com/ {Embed} https://dontasktoask.com/ Don't ask to ask, just ask https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/QcrXZ9NR5XJ2gLI_f0x3PogdLbRRLsid_X6j6Qk4exc/https/dontasktoask.com/favicon.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [22-Oct-24 12:00 PM] pxlfox.#0000 for starters - the market was really stable when I started a few weeks ago, now it's going up [22-Oct-24 12:00 PM] laaxus#0000 have confidence in yourself, you're a part of this community [22-Oct-24 12:00 PM] prozer#0000 I use this at work [22-Oct-24 12:00 PM] pxlfox.#0000 while the demand is still lower then the supply [22-Oct-24 12:00 PM] laaxus#0000 one rich bought 12k c in one go [22-Oct-24 12:01 PM] prozer#0000 and this https://nohello.net/ {Embed} https://nohello.net/ no hello please don't say just hello in chat https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/4wiAUu2uYs4txtZvYR_RiIBIzsZYig7qOvH_T2s_Cs4/https/nohello.net/img/XzfE_FYNGc-500.webp [22-Oct-24 12:01 PM] laaxus#0000 he could have put a bid order [22-Oct-24 12:01 PM] realharvey#0000 there is a little bit of Greens to burn on the market actually. But you'll burn 150 a day. So other than MAI I wouldn't to heavily depend just on CX for C production {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1298330301734584370/image.png?ex=6814fa51&is=6813a8d1&hm=4b6ee99b4f10a21b3df21831516afe84763b0ce397ee7b70d7b212f6ce742047& [22-Oct-24 12:01 PM] laaxus#0000 but decide to ruin the market [22-Oct-24 12:01 PM] pxlfox.#0000 are people just not willing to buy for 800 AIC/unit? [22-Oct-24 12:01 PM] prozer#0000 even more [22-Oct-24 12:02 PM] realharvey#0000 I refuse to buy at that Prices. Those bids are from me lol :D {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1298330559457656832/image.png?ex=6814fa8f&is=6813a90f&hm=fd4cee60e75058ab4e98a95a047be7d4b32ff0719af23477881e7e08da28db69& [22-Oct-24 12:02 PM] prozer#0000 when you need C people don't think twice lol [22-Oct-24 12:02 PM] realharvey#0000 there is one guy making market shenanigans and I dont support is effort buying up all cheap C [22-Oct-24 12:02 PM] laaxus#0000 low profit > no profit [22-Oct-24 12:02 PM] laaxus#0000 rich people have buffers [22-Oct-24 12:03 PM] laaxus#0000 and can afford to wait for market corrections [22-Oct-24 12:07 PM] pxlfox.#0000 sooo... [22-Oct-24 12:07 PM] pxlfox.#0000 the supply is still there [22-Oct-24 12:07 PM] pxlfox.#0000 people just wait, till the market will eventually stabilize [22-Oct-24 12:07 PM] pxlfox.#0000 and we only have Tanda, who supplies us with cheap C? [22-Oct-24 12:08 PM] laaxus#0000 rich people pay, other people pay overprice [22-Oct-24 12:11 PM] pxlfox.#0000 well, C fits really good into my current production lines. And its the base for a lot of other stuff, so I guess I will get it sold one way or another [22-Oct-24 12:12 PM] pxlfox.#0000 with my current cash, a single base should be doable, so GRN > C on Harmonia seems to be the savest bet for me to be [22-Oct-24 12:13 PM] laaxus#0000 how many base do you have ? [22-Oct-24 12:13 PM] pxlfox.#0000 thank you for the offer, Laaxus, nonetheless [22-Oct-24 12:13 PM] pxlfox.#0000 currently 3 [22-Oct-24 12:14 PM] laaxus#0000 that's a fine way of playing [22-Oct-24 12:14 PM] laaxus#0000 I like playing high risk high reward [22-Oct-24 12:14 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I like the way you think ๐Ÿ™‚ [22-Oct-24 12:15 PM] pxlfox.#0000 and it's always nice to have a second opinion [22-Oct-24 12:15 PM] pxlfox.#0000 got invited into the FIOC socialist party a few days ago and was surprised, that that kind of community exists [22-Oct-24 12:17 PM] pxlfox.#0000 That's something I really like about this game - all these different people with there playstyles. And they all work ^^ (some probably better then others) [22-Oct-24 12:19 PM] pxlfox.#0000 ~~do we have some construction materials here on stock, or are they all sold out by the AGP bases?~~ (let me ask that in trades) [22-Oct-24 12:19 PM] laaxus#0000 I consider myself a market absolutist [22-Oct-24 12:20 PM] laaxus#0000 now that I'm kickstarted, I won't rely on the internal market anymore [22-Oct-24 12:20 PM] laaxus#0000 but will only trade on the cx [22-Oct-24 12:36 PM] getonthetrain#0000 I also wish to enhance CX trading [22-Oct-24 12:37 PM] laaxus#0000 my man [22-Oct-24 12:59 PM] pxlfox.#0000 alright, contracts are all out. Base will be setup in the following days and gonna send some C your way, my folks ๐Ÿ˜‰ [22-Oct-24 01:00 PM] pxlfox.#0000 ah, have to restock it... well, can wait [22-Oct-24 01:08 PM] realharvey#0000 you sir make antares proud! {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [22-Oct-24 01:13 PM] laaxus#0000 Each ask order being filled on the Antares CX is a satisfied customer {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [22-Oct-24 06:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yummy water {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1298420790965829693/Screenshot_2024-10-22_160020.png?ex=6814a5d8&is=68135458&hm=aa7551148d06f32384dc2c74254c68d6c75607db32feb60d6fce8337c9539776& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ (2) [22-Oct-24 07:00 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1298435785560690740/image0.gif?ex=6814b3cf&is=6813624f&hm=71cd9967046f7eb73e4a2837619632a387221fecd6886d1a7a1e496c03fe7039& [23-Oct-24 12:01 PM] avalock#0000 wruff {Reactions} ๐Ÿบ (2) ๐ŸŒฒ [25-Oct-24 12:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Tried it again, today: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1299248916377899028/image.png?ex=68150618&is=6813b498&hm=bd80565790317d986c0458fbebf0a423f9478ab1b5e6b327798763b7b3969f45& [25-Oct-24 12:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 my configuration [25-Oct-24 12:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1299249041988649042/image.png?ex=68150636&is=6813b4b6&hm=869a9cd74a9b8700ce47d4504cbb476b17d7e80afca65b25ee110b2648e32faf& [25-Oct-24 12:52 AM] pxlfox.#0000 On execution, I select the ship storage [25-Oct-24 12:52 AM] razenpok#0000 Show your MTRA buffer [25-Oct-24 12:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 This one? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1299249403034599454/image.png?ex=6815068c&is=6813b50c&hm=0f05d56d2b9a5e9fff966c9da04e4b503178991ce966ddde29ca3df32faa7561& [25-Oct-24 12:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 do I need to set there something? [25-Oct-24 12:53 AM] razenpok#0000 Ahh, it's German [25-Oct-24 12:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 yeah, sorry ๐Ÿ˜… [25-Oct-24 12:53 AM] razenpok#0000 Try switching to English [25-Oct-24 12:53 AM] razenpok#0000 Will work probably [25-Oct-24 12:55 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Ok, yep. Not it works ๐Ÿ™„ [25-Oct-24 12:55 AM] pxlfox.#0000 If I may say - that's some wonky coding there [25-Oct-24 03:48 AM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿค” this person has some interesting desires {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1299293406534701096/image.png?ex=681486c7&is=68133547&hm=d1283d6b15dd717aef2aab70e7dbde80265ec896affc8fa8fdddc331fd664e88& [25-Oct-24 07:21 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1299347212526030848/image.png?ex=6814b8e4&is=68136764&hm=6b3cfe8d9fe6650ba80a4a10bc56c850f4194051c60261afcb52c721f0fb76db& [25-Oct-24 07:21 AM] tanda#0000 It begins [25-Oct-24 07:40 AM] realharvey#0000 Welcome to the A-Fab (why is all of this getting sooo expensive?!?!) Part of the Game! :D [25-Oct-24 07:44 AM] tanda#0000 Thanks! I think [25-Oct-24 09:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 something isn't right in my calculations, and I'm not sure what ๐Ÿ˜… I'm trying to get the efficiency of a building, by setting the experts and COGC, but my result is off. I'm always expecting the 100% from happy pops. + efficency bonus from experts + efficiency bonus from COGC On Deimos with 4 experts, this calculates to 144,74 % APEX says, my buildings work with 149% efficiency... what am I not seeing? [25-Oct-24 09:28 AM] laaxus#0000 What does prunplanner says ? [25-Oct-24 09:28 AM] pxlfox.#0000 4 experts give 19,74% COGC additional 25% [25-Oct-24 09:28 AM] laaxus#0000 Bonus are not additive but multiplicative {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [25-Oct-24 09:29 AM] laaxus#0000 It's not 100+25+25 but 1 x 1.25 x 1.25 [25-Oct-24 09:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 hm, let me try that [25-Oct-24 09:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 yep, that's it [25-Oct-24 09:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 thank you ๐Ÿ˜Š [25-Oct-24 09:31 AM] evov#0000 Depending on where your HQ is located, there's also some other benefits depending on the industry type. [25-Oct-24 09:32 AM] pxlfox.#0000 My HQ gives Electronics bonus, which is not helping on Deimos ๐Ÿ˜… [26-Oct-24 02:57 PM] kynadre#0000 I'm SO grateful for the bot tools... holy crap [26-Oct-24 03:35 PM] tanda#0000 I really need cheaper CLI than this 300+ on the CX [26-Oct-24 03:38 PM] jvaler#0000 @riseoffilth do you still have excess CLI? i don't know if you actually ended up selling CLI to whoever else it was that needed it [26-Oct-24 04:21 PM] riseoffilth#0000 yep, i have it from someone else [26-Oct-24 08:49 PM] finestone#0000 How much are you needing? [26-Oct-24 09:06 PM] getonthetrain#0000 I was headed up to Benten because they had over 5k CLI at 170 and on the way someone bought it all ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [26-Oct-24 09:07 PM] getonthetrain#0000 but I could use 200 at a decent price if you are selling any [26-Oct-24 09:09 PM] tanda#0000 I need roughly 240 per day [26-Oct-24 09:17 PM] finestone#0000 ohh thats alot nevermind [26-Oct-24 09:18 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, it'll require half a permit on SE-110a [26-Oct-24 09:19 PM] tanda#0000 I may have to drop that permit myself, actually. I need it to be around 100/unit if I'm going to cheaply drive down MHL prices more [27-Oct-24 12:54 AM] jcheung#0000 MCG is up at price cap [27-Oct-24 01:01 AM] tanda#0000 and it's still only a return of like 4k a day/per BMP right now [27-Oct-24 01:02 AM] tanda#0000 ah, now LST has gone screwy [27-Oct-24 01:23 AM] getonthetrain#0000 There is a dude on Nike that sells it cheap on the local markets [27-Oct-24 08:09 AM] marat_sh#0000 I have 2k right now available for 20/u if you need [27-Oct-24 08:10 AM] jcheung#0000 i'm good, i have 10k listed at cap ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [27-Oct-24 08:15 AM] marat_sh#0000 Sooo... You can probably fix that issue then ๐Ÿ˜… [27-Oct-24 08:15 AM] jcheung#0000 with 17k traded daily? not on my own i can't [27-Oct-24 08:16 AM] jcheung#0000 well. 17k traded today* [27-Oct-24 08:19 AM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/never-give-up-fist-pump-motivation-motivational-gif-4892451 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/never-give-up-fist-pump-motivation-motivational-gif-4892451 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/A7fC9FIcqp3B9klPKaTxLIfgAbu9JbI1wz0ctZTS4dQ/https/media.tenor.com/aMVEvAbTLz8AAAAe/never-give-up-fist-pump.png [27-Oct-24 08:23 AM] jcheung#0000 i only have 3 BMPs ๐Ÿ˜‚ i'll leave price correction to people with more ๐Ÿ˜‚ [27-Oct-24 08:25 AM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1300087890814177361/image.png?ex=6814c7b3&is=68137633&hm=00043d5963100ef57a8157bfbc9ffce832dd3936113ee97b39be7e6fb18950b1& [27-Oct-24 08:25 AM] marat_sh#0000 my BMPs are a bit busy ๐Ÿ˜… [27-Oct-24 05:45 PM] razenpok#0000 What's the opinion of people here about the current market state? To me, it feels quite stagnant. I'm using a custom tool for inter-cx trading/arbitrage, and I haven't seen good opportunities for more than a week. [27-Oct-24 05:57 PM] marat_sh#0000 Bruh... Same I am down to a half a mill because nothing is selling [27-Oct-24 06:10 PM] tanda#0000 how can I support? [27-Oct-24 06:26 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bBCCf.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/buy-gif-21320565 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Mhazn7LmJ4_vbFD449L8aPJH9Blmj4y7CWnH6LQS4_s/https/media.tenor.com/PLNN96p26GQAAAAe/buy.png [28-Oct-24 01:48 AM] evov#0000 I think the "market" and how it feels, very much depends on the specifics. Which CX? Which MAT? What sort of volume? The past few weeks I've been tracking my CX activity. Happy to share any details from my end if it helps. [28-Oct-24 01:57 AM] laaxus#0000 I mean, if people want more market activity, it requires less person to person, out of market deal [28-Oct-24 01:57 AM] laaxus#0000 But nobody wants that [28-Oct-24 01:58 AM] laaxus#0000 People would rather have a deal with someone than putting a bid order [28-Oct-24 02:03 AM] evov#0000 Case by case imo. I find a lot of bid orders are just quicker and easier. I'm open to doing person to person deals, but it's hard to beat the ultra low time overhead that comes with putting up a bid order. [28-Oct-24 02:05 AM] laaxus#0000 I mean, there was this Guy that considered quitting the game because he Lost his 12k monthly fim supplyers [28-Oct-24 02:05 AM] laaxus#0000 When all he had to do was putting a bid order [28-Oct-24 02:05 AM] evov#0000 This is (aprox) my net CX activity over the past 2 and a bit months. I think I messed up on copying the trades over one week, so it's not 100% accurate.. but reasonably close I think. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1300354735018348554/image.png?ex=68151778&is=6813c5f8&hm=90524ccda20ade1937aa73c56d1ac606088962878023dd5b6f87737674cb4274& [28-Oct-24 02:10 AM] evov#0000 So while dealing person to person is great in theory - it's just not practical at higher volumes I think. [28-Oct-24 02:20 AM] evov#0000 It looks like I'm going bankrupt in a hurry, but over that period my cash position dropped by about 85mil, I get cash via ship sales through private contracts and my warehouse stock position went up by . . more than that. So it works out ok. [28-Oct-24 02:50 AM] laaxus#0000 The good old dรฉficit spending strategy [28-Oct-24 02:53 AM] evov#0000 It's moreso that CX activity and Contracts (person to person) ballance each other out. I'm a net Seller when it comes to person to person contracts, which makes me a net buyer on the CX. [28-Oct-24 02:57 AM] evov#0000 Out of curiosity, is there actually much interest in filling big buy orders via contracts? I don't see that sort of thing listed too often so I just assume it's not really much of a thing. [28-Oct-24 02:59 AM] laaxus#0000 Contracts makes sense for commodity with low trade volume [28-Oct-24 02:59 AM] laaxus#0000 But for high volume commodity, I just don't get it [28-Oct-24 03:00 AM] laaxus#0000 There was this Guy buy 12k fim a Month from that trader that left the game (insular something) ? [28-Oct-24 03:02 AM] evov#0000 If the price is right - I'd buy something like 1.5k DW and 1.5k RAT per day. Since I don't make either of them myself and that's about what my workers consume. [28-Oct-24 03:06 AM] laaxus#0000 You have private contracts for those ? [28-Oct-24 03:12 AM] evov#0000 nope. CX. The only private contracts I do at the moment are - Ship Sales Dmos initiative - ( Something I provide for some newer players where I'll supply the inputs + transport for free, and buy the outputs at a set price, paying now and picking up when it's done ) [28-Oct-24 03:14 AM] laaxus#0000 then I don't understand this sentence [28-Oct-24 03:14 AM] laaxus#0000 are you running on your reserve ? [28-Oct-24 03:15 AM] evov#0000 Yes. I aim to maintain a stockpile of about 100 days of operation for consumables / repairs. Each week I'll update my stock list and go shopping on the CX as needed. [28-Oct-24 03:15 AM] evov#0000 e.g. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1300372464928292895/image.png?ex=68147f3b&is=68132dbb&hm=bddec2e6885250dddc99146e9861709476be751152df276b0c11e06bc638e0ff& [28-Oct-24 03:16 AM] evov#0000 So I don't need to worry about RAT since I've got more than I need. But I'll be actively buying DW if the price is right. If the price is (in my opinion) temporarily too high... I'll let it sit low for a while and buy up when it gets cheaper. [28-Oct-24 03:17 AM] laaxus#0000 why not just put a bid order at the price you consider right ? [28-Oct-24 03:17 AM] evov#0000 Because it just pointlessly soaks up capital to put bid orders up that won't get filled. [28-Oct-24 03:19 AM] laaxus#0000 I did not expect to read this from someone hoarding WIN & AL [28-Oct-24 03:20 AM] laaxus#0000 what's your "right" price for RAT & DW ? [28-Oct-24 03:20 AM] evov#0000 And not all CX's are equal for all materials. So... DW for example, it makes sense for me to buy it in BEN .... but doesn't make sense to buy it in ANT. [28-Oct-24 03:21 AM] laaxus#0000 you're right [28-Oct-24 03:22 AM] evov#0000 History is a good guide. Where keeping track of my CX activity comes in really handy. DW for example - {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1300374135943331880/image.png?ex=681480c9&is=68132f49&hm=12d0bda0b4c5b871915cfc5571ebaa716d6c24d3f449b89de49ac6f206ec15a9& [28-Oct-24 03:23 AM] evov#0000 So if I've averaged buying it at 80 / unit over the last 2 months.... I'm probably not going to go all in on buying it while it's in the high 90's right now. [28-Oct-24 03:24 AM] evov#0000 DW is a bit deceptive on the numbers because I sold a ship in exchange for DW a while ago. So that topped up the DW storage tanks for a while ๐Ÿ™‚ [28-Oct-24 03:26 AM] finestone#0000 I came from Sim Companies where there is a tax on CX when posting so naturally personal contracts were better [28-Oct-24 03:29 AM] evov#0000 The CX doesn't have a 'tax' exactly. But it does have a cost. Personal contracts are typically instant. You agree on the trade, and it's done. CX Sales ( Red Ask orders ) - Your stock/capital sits there for some period of time. CX Buys ( Green Bid orders ) - Your cash/capital sits there for some period of time. Not a tax, but it's still a cost. Selling into (Green Bid Orders) - You don't waste capital because the trade is instant... but you eat the lower cost. Same in reverse when buying from (Red Ask orders) [28-Oct-24 03:32 AM] finestone#0000 That is certainly true! I think a small tax when posting sell orders would be nice to avoid the "Crazy high price posting for storage" it would also cause a deflationary force. Though in this conversion you were already discussing the dislike of people not using the CX more so maybe this game isn't quite ready for that yet. [28-Oct-24 03:33 AM] evov#0000 Local markets is the other point of trade that people don't really talk about much. [28-Oct-24 03:33 AM] finestone#0000 True i wish more people used LM [28-Oct-24 03:34 AM] laaxus#0000 I would use LM if they were cx with limited comodity trade [28-Oct-24 03:34 AM] finestone#0000 LM is kind of a pain to use though they need to make them like mini CX i think [28-Oct-24 03:34 AM] laaxus#0000 LM could be a popi, and each level would give another commodity that could be traded [28-Oct-24 03:34 AM] evov#0000 On the set of planets I'm developing now - I'm aiming to keep LM fee's and Warehouse fee's at zero if possible. I think on planet trade via LM's is a net win if used properly. [28-Oct-24 03:35 AM] finestone#0000 All good points i like using personal cons for better deals and supporting someone that i routinally work with, that being said i try to use the CX as much as possible [28-Oct-24 03:37 AM] evov#0000 Yea, they've all got costs. Personal contracts are good financially, they just (in my experience) have a lot higher cognitive cost. You spend more time/energy dealing with them to get the same volume of goods traded compared to using the CX. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [28-Oct-24 03:42 AM] laaxus#0000 I mean, personnal contracts are usually more efficient when the price is agreed on Just because [28-Oct-24 03:43 AM] laaxus#0000 the CX is best to find out what is the correct price at the current moment [28-Oct-24 06:21 AM] realharvey#0000 The reason why "CX"-Trading isnt happening a lot is mostly because of the low player count we have currently and how long it takes for the market to correct itself. There is not a lot of Commodities on the CX that you can really rely on to plan your bases. When I consider planning a base, I always take into Account: What can I take from the CX to save myself some permits and what do I have to vertically integrate myself? A lot of it comes down to: I have to integrate it myself otherwise the market will explode in prices because there is no supply. You could argue that if I do create that demand, supply will catch up. Which is true. But it takes way to long for it to do so. People that have cheap permits don't have the capital, to quickly setup a base to satisfy that demand and established players have to high permit costs to make that supply shortage worth their while. Another thing is: People chase high profit bases when planning their bases and consider less how their base will impact the CX dynamic of all commodities that arre involved in it. This leads to almost no one increasing the supply of a commodity because that would only lead to 50k profit per day. So what is the takeaway from it? I do believe that with growing player numbers the CX will become more and more attractive and the amount of commoodities you can savely rely on there will increase with time. [28-Oct-24 06:26 AM] evov#0000 I have noticed the materials I can count on the CX to supply has steadily grown over the months/years. I remember a point when I was setting up for making Afabs, where I felt the need to make my own CL, and EPO, and NR, and TCL and KV etc. Now . . . most of those things are available in sufficient qty's on the CX that it's not mandatory to make it yourself. [28-Oct-24 06:56 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It sounds to me, that a central forum, where the current market state (demand, supply, development) is discussed, could benefit new and old players and help Antares as a region to grow in a more organised way. Stating what materials need to have more supply, would give new players with available permits an incentive to expand into those fields. Older players have often a more broader view on how different materials are interconnected, can better determine what markets need to be stocked up, and maybe even have the funds to further stimulate growth by funding new players into needed fields. [28-Oct-24 06:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 After all, this is a game, so a more developed and stable market is beneficial to the whole player base. There is no real benefit to keep secrets and making โ€œbig bucksโ€, since there is nothing really to โ€œwinโ€. [28-Oct-24 07:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I was thinking about collecting daily or even hourly snapshots of the market via FIO and generate weekly reports of the market movements, like e.g. traded volume, volume growth, price movements, etc. To have something searchable and sortable and maybe some logic, which points out under- or overstocked markets, production costs vs ask-price. Something like that. [28-Oct-24 07:07 AM] tanda#0000 I know of a few tools like that and they're held very close to the chest [28-Oct-24 07:08 AM] tanda#0000 not going to say having a public one would help me, as I have my own progression path, but I certainly would find it interesting [28-Oct-24 07:10 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I wouldnโ€™t make it publicโ€ฆ but am happy to share it with the ADI members. [28-Oct-24 07:11 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It would definitely help to make more informed decisions, I hope. [28-Oct-24 07:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™m sure there are tools like that. And I do not wonder, that they arenโ€™t made publicly availableโ€ฆ [28-Oct-24 08:46 AM] realharvey#0000 I do believe that analysing the market would be interesting. But with current player numbers it's not really predictable. If a commodity suddenly spikes in Saleprice, you can predict that more people will produce it. But predicting that spike is almost impossible since you dont know what are people are plopping down in terms of bases [28-Oct-24 08:48 AM] tanda#0000 I can tell you CL will be seeing a demand increase, lol [28-Oct-24 08:48 AM] tanda#0000 Just dropped one EPO base, another coming soon [28-Oct-24 08:49 AM] realharvey#0000 yeah but thats just because of insider informationen [28-Oct-24 08:50 AM] realharvey#0000 market for now has been very stable in terms of price and traded volumes [28-Oct-24 08:52 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But thatโ€™s what I propose. Having an ADI channel to specifically discuss further expansions. Not sure, if people are willing to participate and it isnโ€™t perfect, since not everybody in ANT is in this discord. [28-Oct-24 08:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 We could at least anticipate changes, or adjust the market quicker. [28-Oct-24 08:55 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Thinking about it, thatโ€™s basically what bigger player do - buying in new players, so they donโ€™t have to integrate everything by themself ๐Ÿ˜… Just #yapping ideas everybody else already had [28-Oct-24 08:55 AM] realharvey#0000 in Another Discord we had anticipated a high increase in C demand. It took us 4-6 Weeks to react to it. (And Capital was no issue) [28-Oct-24 08:57 AM] realharvey#0000 in Prun it comes down to: You make a good guess to how the market will react to your base, or you try to vertically integrate as much as possible to reduce risk [28-Oct-24 08:58 AM] realharvey#0000 Even with my own experience I found it rather difficult to make good recommendations in terms of Bases you should aim for. [28-Oct-24 08:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 So itโ€™s just like the real worldโ€ฆ just with fewer people in the market [28-Oct-24 09:00 AM] realharvey#0000 I do think if you would analyse this it could help us make better estimated guesses. But here I would analyse which commodities can be reliably be bought from the CX. [28-Oct-24 09:00 AM] realharvey#0000 Like O, H, MG, C (mostly) are pretty stable and you can rely on it from the CX [28-Oct-24 09:01 AM] realharvey#0000 So what I am trying to get to: Have an overview with well fed data telling you if your Base alone will crash the market prices or just move it very little [28-Oct-24 09:03 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Speaking about C When I started C was very stable. Then somebody decided to buy all of it and market rose. Same with AL (tho in ANT is stabilised quite quickly) So I agree to you, looking at the past is not a guarantee for the future [28-Oct-24 09:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Well, just have to code it thenโ€ฆ see you in a few weeks or so, if I donโ€™t quite earlier ๐Ÿ˜… [28-Oct-24 09:08 AM] realharvey#0000 I could assist in analysing data. I am quite good in Excel. But getting the data with nice timestamps etc. is not what I am good at :D [28-Oct-24 09:09 AM] pxlfox.#0000 One thing regarding CX vs contracts: if I see some market cappers, like Gaia for example, sitting above the bid of somebody I know from here, I will directly send you a contract with the bid price you posted. I get there strategy and Iโ€™m fine with it, but I donโ€™t like the idea to sell to them, so it just gets reposted more expensive [28-Oct-24 09:10 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Thatโ€™s very nice of you, but I will probably code it in PHP, since thatโ€™s what Iโ€™m used to. Itโ€™s definitely more work, but gives me a bit more freedom about what I can do. [28-Oct-24 09:11 AM] realharvey#0000 Reselling will always be a thing. But it also has advantages: -You get your money instantly and dont have to regulary adjust your sell orders because you are being undercutted [28-Oct-24 09:18 AM] razenpok#0000 And in case of gaia: they resell stuff, but not with a big markup. So, you can view them as more of a market maker. I find that their orders actually stimulate the niches where there's not a lot of natural supply/demand {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [28-Oct-24 01:45 PM] kynadre#0000 very much this, if someone shows, "Hey I have interest if someone would do this" by putting up the buy and sell orders, it helps folks realize there is demand [28-Oct-24 01:46 PM] kynadre#0000 that ppl would offload it from their bases to buy from someone else if they did it at X price [28-Oct-24 02:05 PM] realharvey#0000 To help people what to focus on I've also put my Needs into internal requests if someone wants to have a stable selling relationsship {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Oct-24 02:08 PM] kynadre#0000 I know I've got some internal requests I was hoping to work on, just saving to afford bases and whatnot [28-Oct-24 02:40 PM] laaxus#0000 *me* : now that I've been playing for more than 2 month, I'am finally wise and do not make silly mistakes ! *alse me* : produce 5 times the weekly trading volume of a commodity [28-Oct-24 02:56 PM] realharvey#0000 for which commodity? [28-Oct-24 03:01 PM] laaxus#0000 HSS, I've been doing fairly well selling HSS, LC, HMS ... low volume but high profit Then, I had a stock of HMS, and LC sitting, so I decided to produce only HSS for a few day Now I have 600 HSS with 560 still coming I'm ok, the stock will sell but it'll take time [29-Oct-24 01:28 AM] evov#0000 The problem with the CX snapshots.. is that it gives a lot of very precise information about volumes, but it's very misleading about it's accuracy. You can see in very fine detail how much volume is on the market, how much is moving etc.... but you have zero idea of how much is sitting in people's warehouses or being traded privately. There are several items where I have a lot more of it in my warehouse than exists across all the CX's. And I'm reasonably confident that there's more than 10 other people who could say the same. [29-Oct-24 03:18 AM] realharvey#0000 When it comes to the CX there will always be problems. People with Capital can always mess with things and you can end every analysis with: But a big boy with capital could ruin all your thoughts. [29-Oct-24 09:59 AM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1300836312273653791/image.png?ex=6814ddb9&is=68138c39&hm=3636fe274c4d35f9e92512fe6095c6e088d9541202a5c9f680a47c21d619b39c& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [29-Oct-24 12:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 woah look at this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1300879357815820318/Screenshot_2024-10-29_104946.png?ex=681505d0&is=6813b450&hm=08bb2856d1e57f92a9a65da478ebc0ac12862e1e81006b0f8261d13b5b6f6f6b& [29-Oct-24 01:00 PM] marat_sh#0000 11.5k ๐Ÿ’€ [29-Oct-24 01:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 what shits heavy [29-Oct-24 01:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but `INV ad` worked to bring it up {Reactions} concern [29-Oct-24 01:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have had it fill up too [29-Oct-24 01:14 PM] marat_sh#0000 I am glad that I don't have to deal with heavy stuff ๐Ÿ™ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ (2) [29-Oct-24 01:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You should see Halcyonโ€ฆ. {Reactions} this [29-Oct-24 01:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s worked for all my bases so far [29-Oct-24 01:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ah nvm it didnt work for Griffonstone and a War on Malahat [29-Oct-24 01:30 PM] razenpok#0000 > War on Malahat {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1300889623760863313/GKp4x9VXcAALYzP.png?ex=68150f5f&is=6813bddf&hm=659e03474fa4b69bc7856cbb4bd6d0e72f5acbb776d522873e5900f6cecd967e& [29-Oct-24 01:45 PM] jcheung#0000 ...is that ad?! [29-Oct-24 01:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [29-Oct-24 01:45 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1300893327507591281/image0.gif?ex=681512d2&is=6813c152&hm=2488b18e8e02f1b841c386f81485e412907efbbf8c77a35342a59905a377deb0& [29-Oct-24 01:46 PM] jcheung#0000 ...i might actually start using buffers for inv instead of navigating the inventory lisy [29-Oct-24 02:10 PM] razenpok#0000 Just so you know, it can break any time a new inventory is created {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [29-Oct-24 02:12 PM] realharvey#0000 just like Excel. That is why I never save. The possibility of loosing hours of progress just gives me my fix [29-Oct-24 02:14 PM] jcheung#0000 That's fine [29-Oct-24 02:15 PM] jcheung#0000 Auto recovery is pretty decent nowadays [29-Oct-24 02:47 PM] finestone#0000 In Sim companies they would actually post the monthly total materials in people warehouses and how much was moved via contracts [30-Oct-24 08:07 AM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1301170582120829030/image.png?ex=6814c389&is=68137209&hm=5f6ba2476dda43e739a040ef0d38b11e33b994d79638bea5307b2639577b1769& [30-Oct-24 08:07 AM] razenpok#0000 https://tenor.com/view/x3-gif-24301743 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/x3-gif-24301743 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/y2XwkLfe2MhZOt4B7P4F3nUqiLoSXWgUw_i22KcB048/https/media.tenor.com/_x4YWJaC624AAAAe/x3.png [30-Oct-24 10:37 AM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ‘€ [30-Oct-24 11:14 AM] realharvey#0000 ๐Ÿ‘€ [30-Oct-24 12:07 PM] razenpok#0000 WE'RE SO BACK BOYS {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1301231065721213070/image.png?ex=6814fbdd&is=6813aa5d&hm=38d5f24c6bf5f16f93630f25b50a5bab9ac63575dd2b60297e21f262adc5f1e5& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ (4) [30-Oct-24 01:08 PM] the_czarina#0000 help {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1301246251135930400/image.png?ex=68150a02&is=6813b882&hm=d78cf00793cedbcba725900684dd99fe902edeaafb9bf6ab2f39dac725d49554& [30-Oct-24 01:08 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/oh-lord-joe-biden-pray-oh-boy-smh-gif-18720274 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/oh-lord-joe-biden-pray-oh-boy-smh-gif-18720274 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/7u5Lx7PSlRgJLPQ5jt55HUZt6rqfcMqzbjN3-AsvuCI/https/media.tenor.com/Z7OSPMUGX84AAAAe/oh-lord-joe-biden.png [30-Oct-24 05:47 PM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1301316652700270692/image.png?ex=6814a2d3&is=68135153&hm=5e30e4da724cc64e99fb0f2603926fbd9e26d4640ae7b1489ef68d7f4dd4c8c8& [30-Oct-24 05:47 PM] razenpok#0000 https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-sweat-heat-hot-wipe-sweat-gif-17716050 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-sweat-heat-hot-wipe-sweat-gif-17716050 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/lOH3iDBSaaU3zHUx9RJoAHhpkLUyeeMJNg8vD75JNOo/https/media.tenor.com/JC2gzaAISiEAAAAe/sweaty-sweat.png [30-Oct-24 06:07 PM] jvaler#0000 i honestly never thought i'd see deimos open again [30-Oct-24 06:09 PM] moke.#0000 Isn't yet [30-Oct-24 06:10 PM] jvaler#0000 at this rate it's about to be [30-Oct-24 06:11 PM] moke.#0000 ~~Quick, someone make a few dozen new accounts~~ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜พ (3) ๐Ÿ™€ [30-Oct-24 07:10 PM] tanda#0000 Everyone still on Phobos with manufacturing COLIQ and restart on Deimos [30-Oct-24 09:02 PM] tanda#0000 So I stop making CL and start making EPO and now someone's messing with the CL price {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1301365586101538896/image.png?ex=6814d065&is=68137ee5&hm=76236b8d32264ae7db421a58041f411552abab98b23f311f965002555d5cc0e7& [30-Oct-24 09:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿฅด [30-Oct-24 09:07 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜“ [30-Oct-24 09:09 PM] tanda#0000 just in ANT though [30-Oct-24 09:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so this is when I start trading CL from other CX to ANT [30-Oct-24 09:10 PM] tanda#0000 if prices stay up at 4k locally I will definitely buy [30-Oct-24 09:10 PM] tanda#0000 I didn't step up an EPO plant because it was quick money, so I need to sustain it [30-Oct-24 09:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ah [30-Oct-24 09:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well uh [30-Oct-24 09:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 looks like its time to go to benten [30-Oct-24 09:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well I aquired some CL [30-Oct-24 09:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1301374490399215686/Screenshot_2024-10-30_193721.png?ex=6814d8b0&is=68138730&hm=cc53d4edb7b957e0915aeeacb18ea8097e081a21216acd76b0590187e81c1db6& [30-Oct-24 09:39 PM] moke.#0000 I didn't do it this time [30-Oct-24 09:39 PM] tanda#0000 lol, it spreads [30-Oct-24 09:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well ships are going to benten [30-Oct-24 09:46 PM] tanda#0000 oh boy, the time crunch will be here soon [31-Oct-24 06:57 AM] flor2081#0000 Who was it that was stressing to get a plot on harmonia because it's almost full? [31-Oct-24 06:58 AM] flor2081#0000 Just an FYI, deimos is almost available again :p {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1301515606939406416/Screenshot_20241031_125758_Chrome.jpg?ex=6814b35d&is=681361dd&hm=c254862d2f21ad33d961f79fc6bc55208858b8805414c8075c029cdcc6ca92b8& [31-Oct-24 07:05 AM] laaxus#0000 ( <- ) [31-Oct-24 07:06 AM] laaxus#0000 and honestly, that deimos goes available again is a rather bad news imo [31-Oct-24 07:06 AM] laaxus#0000 that mean players don't stay {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [31-Oct-24 07:06 AM] flor2081#0000 Yeah i'm not sure how that's even happening [31-Oct-24 07:13 AM] tanda#0000 it means we're not recruiting hard enough! people are starting on Promitor, lol [31-Oct-24 08:39 AM] jvaler#0000 halloween sale soon? ๐Ÿฅบ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1301541020390916197/image.png?ex=6814cb08&is=68137988&hm=3cf18aba4bf78385bb3fa58be46e88028aa62aa3c1aac3c9f0274b4fef659069& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [31-Oct-24 09:27 AM] razenpok#0000 @jvaler what's the difference between the old coordinator and the new staff roles? [31-Oct-24 09:28 AM] razenpok#0000 ~~also I'm tomato color eww~~ [31-Oct-24 09:30 AM] jvaler#0000 staff has more perms and a name that better reflects it's actual purpose [31-Oct-24 09:31 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m pink ~~or rojo?~~ [31-Oct-24 09:31 AM] jvaler#0000 better? [31-Oct-24 09:31 AM] razenpok#0000 :D [31-Oct-24 10:19 AM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/triggered-ninjaturtle-turtle-angry-gif-21556809 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/triggered-ninjaturtle-turtle-angry-gif-21556809 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/uf_w73KKuYK1ptkfNtb69iLxhobJOzJ6TWcmH7in0H4/https/media.tenor.com/f42sidbznLwAAAAe/triggered-ninjaturtle.png [31-Oct-24 10:20 AM] riseoffilth#0000 fuck them, restart on phobos and fly your ass to heph GOD DAMNIT [31-Oct-24 10:21 AM] riseoffilth#0000 or just promitor like a normie {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [31-Oct-24 02:38 PM] manhim#0000 Can we fullfil contracts with items from 2 different storage at the same location (base + warehouse) ? [31-Oct-24 02:41 PM] realharvey#0000 No that is not possible [31-Oct-24 02:48 PM] manhim#0000 Ok, could I make it 2 separate contracts and fullfil one from my warehouse and the other from my base? or must it be from the base? [31-Oct-24 02:49 PM] realharvey#0000 this would work [31-Oct-24 02:49 PM] manhim#0000 Cool, thanks ! [31-Oct-24 07:23 PM] jcheung#0000 what do you have that you can't shuffle around? ๐Ÿค” [31-Oct-24 07:34 PM] manhim#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1301705911978557440/image.png?ex=6814bbd9&is=68136a59&hm=9524d3dda00348f9127295245a901d6ea7816e3bb8d3ca140dfe7c0321dd09a6& [31-Oct-24 07:35 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฌ STOs are a good thing [31-Oct-24 07:37 PM] manhim#0000 Yeah, I got 2 on my AL bases, but all my AL is presold, but the buyer doesn't always pickup his contract quickly, so I end up with ~2-3k+ AL on my base at the same time. [01-Nov-24 01:00 AM] jcheung#0000 ah [01-Nov-24 06:38 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I have a weird issue :/ [01-Nov-24 06:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 my farms are working on 129% efficency - the equivalent of the CoGC bonus and 1 expert {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1301873201789534219/image.png?ex=6814aee6&is=68135d66&hm=569e5469e5b4352816aeea23b558e14ef5cf89fdecc10ec80070d327db13f1e2& [01-Nov-24 06:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 but I have 2 experts assigned {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1301873301215248414/image.png?ex=6814aefe&is=68135d7e&hm=09bca9b5b9c080ae883f81f1fedffa9c288ac2610571c30b9728cb653ff2fb76& [01-Nov-24 06:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 which should be around 133% efficency [01-Nov-24 06:40 AM] pxlfox.#0000 does anybody know, where this comes from? [01-Nov-24 06:41 AM] realharvey#0000 do you have all Consumables supplied? [01-Nov-24 06:41 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I do [01-Nov-24 06:42 AM] pxlfox.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1301873933687197746/image.png?ex=6814af95&is=68135e15&hm=459b615996b694da95588260462410a7c3c64ddcf4ef9f65eb137b046b7764b9& [01-Nov-24 06:42 AM] realharvey#0000 what planet are you on [01-Nov-24 06:42 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Harmonia [01-Nov-24 06:43 AM] realharvey#0000 129% is correct [01-Nov-24 06:43 AM] realharvey#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1301874286272974949/image.png?ex=6814afe9&is=68135e69&hm=2d5a8b8898506a402bf3363959210051b6d3e4fc87880cec1c26601f1aa7d9cb& [01-Nov-24 06:43 AM] realharvey#0000 For Agriculture you need to account Fertility into the calculation [01-Nov-24 06:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 ๐Ÿ™„ [01-Nov-24 06:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 didn't know that - thank you ๐Ÿ˜Š [01-Nov-24 06:44 AM] realharvey#0000 np. It has rarely an influence [01-Nov-24 06:44 AM] realharvey#0000 Hydroponics for example ignore it [01-Nov-24 06:46 AM] pxlfox.#0000 now it works - nice [01-Nov-24 06:46 AM] pxlfox.#0000 are there planets with over 100% fertility? [01-Nov-24 06:59 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1301878211596255252/image.png?ex=6814b391&is=68136211&hm=89cc3a4c7b1c3fdd0a60112a7c6d458c4ff63c6183053f8e658df5d20799de56& [01-Nov-24 06:59 AM] tanda#0000 Promitor [01-Nov-24 07:05 AM] tanda#0000 looking at PRUN planner, there's actually more, but nowhere near ANT space [01-Nov-24 07:09 AM] realharvey#0000 Promitor is also full. So unless you start there... No luck [01-Nov-24 07:22 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1301884144388800572/image.png?ex=6814b917&is=68136797&hm=217fd297982a06d0573373aa7b2a3092ac991423341d7943bc6d2c2b7ba08b3f& [01-Nov-24 07:23 AM] tanda#0000 That's a map of all fertile planets in our area [01-Nov-24 07:23 AM] tanda#0000 Not a lot of good options, and three of our local fertile options are below 90% and also on bad COGCs for farming [01-Nov-24 07:26 AM] razenpok#0000 And there's also a breakdown of efficiency in the `PRODCO` command, so you can double-check if it matches prunplanner {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1301885054699573278/image.png?ex=6814b9f0&is=68136870&hm=a1f46bf404a9f65ecd88dc3635b42d234b3eae8f878ff5dfb625a214273de0d9& [01-Nov-24 01:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 should I try to lower the HAL price on ANT? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1301980429141803028/Screenshot_2024-11-01_114452.png?ex=681512c3&is=6813c143&hm=4d593fd8a21e1b26513fdefefbc6211e8d594a8c78d0b71a52a9f82de6fba643& [01-Nov-24 02:18 PM] archielvahr#0000 Oh I was low on HAL [01-Nov-24 02:18 PM] archielvahr#0000 I bought it all ๐Ÿ˜ [01-Nov-24 02:25 PM] riseoffilth#0000 @.urpalhal im never low on you ๐Ÿ˜‰ [01-Nov-24 02:25 PM] riseoffilth#0000 UNLIKE ARCH [01-Nov-24 03:57 PM] archielvahr#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฑ [01-Nov-24 04:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I just donโ€™t want to sell into AMPโ€™s buy order ๐Ÿฅด [01-Nov-24 04:43 PM] igfloz#0000 if you have the stock, put multiple depreciating offers up 0.05 lower each time.......but still keep it way high from his ask ๐Ÿ˜ˆ [01-Nov-24 04:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well I do make 800 or so HAL/d so I think could do that [01-Nov-24 04:50 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm willing to buy your hal [01-Nov-24 04:50 PM] laaxus#0000 but I thought you had none to sell ? {Reactions} โ” [01-Nov-24 04:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1302027329509527602/IMG_0458.png?ex=681495b1&is=68134431&hm=c978d0fdd2be6592b25c669c317cb61100c37365ef43abe27b3c8fba0c07c184& [01-Nov-24 04:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 That looks like a lot of HAL [01-Nov-24 04:51 PM] laaxus#0000 yeah, Just checked it now [01-Nov-24 04:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 That with me dumping 4k into the CX [01-Nov-24 08:11 PM] razenpok#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1302077619633786981/image.png?ex=6814c487&is=68137307&hm=364c1be9a94a21aab4becdc34e653ea301e8a7cf3ec7f90f3b3999188941910e& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Œ (2) โค๏ธ (2) ๐Ÿค‘ (2) [01-Nov-24 08:18 PM] archielvahr#0000 Wow best faction contract ever ๐Ÿ˜ [01-Nov-24 09:02 PM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1302090477604180019/image.png?ex=6814d081&is=68137f01&hm=cf125b1523be625beb8e342efc42ac3922af8b9536a9225bf8221d350f175722& {Reactions} partyhehe (2) [01-Nov-24 09:02 PM] razenpok#0000 https://tenor.com/view/vince-vince-mcmahon-gif-20562072 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/vince-vince-mcmahon-gif-20562072 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/IkTK9z7qSHvva2Ifd6fu0fDdp25x8JA2pIPJaFVVNdM/https/media.tenor.com/Vr5oMNMnNJIAAAAe/vince-vince-mcmahon.png [01-Nov-24 09:03 PM] razenpok#0000 In all seriousness, I would prefer (+100) ghost plots there than this [01-Nov-24 09:04 PM] jcheung#0000 RIP AL {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [02-Nov-24 04:13 AM] realharvey#0000 Grab your Deimos slots while they last {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1302198916757979177/image.png?ex=68148cbf&is=68133b3f&hm=9140bf0690b1466a5675d4d20c6195b4b838b0671aa0b6caa0585e14b7d51f4c& [02-Nov-24 04:39 AM] laaxus#0000 @razenpok [02-Nov-24 07:17 AM] akyantor#0000 And gone again ๐Ÿ™‚ Snuck on. [02-Nov-24 07:33 AM] razenpok#0000 Got mine a bit earlier ๐Ÿซก [03-Nov-24 10:29 AM] tanda#0000 did a major supplier of HE in ANT quit? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1302671015884755034/image.png?ex=6814f2ec&is=6813a16c&hm=8be3beb2a809a62d40b2e15598c6bee623a24016be815cebce7ca8a65926dde1& [03-Nov-24 12:41 PM] laaxus#0000 Pro tip for new players : Don't be like me Don't have 20% of your equity sitting on the cx waiting to be sold {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [03-Nov-24 02:34 PM] tanda#0000 Question for those players that are really established. How do you guys plan ahead to see if you need to purchase new ships for new planned bases? [03-Nov-24 02:35 PM] jvaler#0000 vibes... [03-Nov-24 02:35 PM] jvaler#0000 i think of how often i've needed to ship things in the past few weeks and if the ships' downtime is enough to supply the new base [03-Nov-24 02:36 PM] sidepipe#0000 Also vibes ๐Ÿ˜„ [03-Nov-24 02:36 PM] sidepipe#0000 basically if I run into "I'd really love to resupply this base today, but all of my ships are busy" often enough, it's time for another ship {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [03-Nov-24 02:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I remember seeing someoneโ€™s formula somewhere but I donโ€™t remember it. But uh if I canโ€™t keep on top of my shipping then I know itโ€™s time for a new one [03-Nov-24 02:38 PM] igfloz#0000 I've been trying (and sometimes failing) to just keep going with my 2 starter WCB upgrades. Finally ordered a 2k/2k - I have no idea how much downtime any of my ships are going to have short term....so yeah, how the hell "should" we plan ? [03-Nov-24 02:39 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I'm getting the vibes my near future expansions need a new ship [03-Nov-24 02:39 PM] tanda#0000 I brought on one for the expansion out in Thalassa and it's been two new bases since then, so I guess vibes is right [03-Nov-24 02:41 PM] sidepipe#0000 I think you could do the math for it - each base needs resupplied every x days, which requires y tons / m^3, plus accounting for approximately how long the trip there and back takes [03-Nov-24 02:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 but I've never felt the need to try it so far [03-Nov-24 02:42 PM] tanda#0000 I'm sure that would make a lovely spreadsheet but my brain is recoiling violently from even surface calculation of those factors {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [03-Nov-24 04:34 PM] manhim#0000 I've started working on something for average daily volume and weight per routes, but timing trips and accounting for other ship limitations isn't planned. Adding ship trip times and planning routes would probably be too complicated to be handled in pure sheet without making my brain explode. [03-Nov-24 04:37 PM] manhim#0000 I'd like to be able to take data straight from PRUNPlanner to help for that. [03-Nov-24 04:42 PM] tanda#0000 you could do that, but it would require an extension [03-Nov-24 04:42 PM] tanda#0000 and a website instead of a sheet [03-Nov-24 05:09 PM] realharvey#0000 I do believe the gutfeeling approach is the best one. Sure you could calculate the theory. A) planets are moving and flight times change. How often you are able to login is also different. [03-Nov-24 05:10 PM] realharvey#0000 Those are variables you can't calculate [03-Nov-24 05:39 PM] zillatron#0000 not everything that counts can be counted ๐Ÿ˜Ž [03-Nov-24 05:40 PM] tanda#0000 like mental burden? yeahhh [03-Nov-24 05:40 PM] tanda#0000 going to need to figure out xit actions soon [03-Nov-24 05:43 PM] sidepipe#0000 If I was to calculate it, Iโ€™d basically just do 12 hour intervals - I only fly my ships in the morning and evening anyway. So each base needs resupplied every 10 days, you figure out how many ships each base takes and choose a reasonable value for how long the trips take. I assume youโ€™d end up with an answer pretty much the same as the gut feeling approach, which is why I havenโ€™t done it ๐Ÿ˜„ [03-Nov-24 05:47 PM] tanda#0000 I agree with the 12 hour thing. In the morning, ships need to be in before 5am, and between 4 and 9pm for turn around [03-Nov-24 08:29 PM] evov#0000 r.e. Ship count - When I feel comfortable just sending ships out once per day (24 hr intervals) ... I've got enough. If I feel like I need to jump on before work to take advantage of any of those 12 hour flight times... I'll think about making more. Any spare shipping capacity I've got gets split between - sitting idle at the ANT cx - ready to leap into action when needed. - flights that don't make sense logistically, but cognitively make life easier ( sending out near empty ships to resolve "now" type issues, without caring enough to fill them up ) - cx-cx trading - renting them out via shipping contracts whenever a friend puts up a bat signal and needs help. [04-Nov-24 03:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Carbon is once again out of control [04-Nov-24 04:10 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Ok, who is Vox Lunaris, and why did they cut the arse out of the water market? [04-Nov-24 04:10 AM] cruelcoin#0000 What was the big brain reason for cutting it down by rates of 5aic? [04-Nov-24 04:11 AM] cruelcoin#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1302938186695311370/Screenshot_2024-11-04_101100.png?ex=68149a3f&is=681348bf&hm=15ed1d294c3e732cc6b771ad53dad245d1fdf8c92d8b9ec97f66a09871af1c6b& [04-Nov-24 04:11 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Is this enforced margin harvest from us chuds who can't move enough product to break this volume, or is it price fixing? [04-Nov-24 04:14 AM] laaxus#0000 Vox lunaris is the guy producing half the water the universe consumes {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Nov-24 04:15 AM] laaxus#0000 AKA zipatsu [04-Nov-24 04:16 AM] laaxus#0000 you can ask him, he's present in this server [04-Nov-24 04:31 AM] cruelcoin#0000 @zipatsu {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1302943273383628920/images.jpg?ex=68149efb&is=68134d7b&hm=21279b81cfb12f1da2dcbf55c55fdcd7ba2ce0bc579afe923020463cdbc349e2& [04-Nov-24 04:32 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Still making good money, but man, you could have pulled the same move at 40/45/50? [04-Nov-24 04:50 AM] realharvey#0000 I think they are trying to help Farmers that are dependent on that H2O. Price for water has skyrocketed and with it also dw prices etc. [04-Nov-24 05:07 AM] brelov#0000 Idk any other farming planet that lacks water but Harmonia certainly doesn't [04-Nov-24 05:14 AM] realharvey#0000 You don't want to extract water on harmonia [04-Nov-24 05:17 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I think the main reason is to keep a stable water market [04-Nov-24 05:26 AM] brelov#0000 It saves me trips back and forth tho. Plus faction contracts are racking up good money [04-Nov-24 05:26 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Well yes ok, but he had the stock and the capital to pull the same move that forces everyone to buy/sell at his prices at any price point he wished. He could have done it at 40/45/50 [04-Nov-24 05:28 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Yeah i'm very happy i refactored my rat base on harmonia into a pure farming base. [04-Nov-24 06:35 AM] imjoshuarice#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1302974626850275358/image.png?ex=6814bc2f&is=68136aaf&hm=deeae4bf27660671b54c79cf43dc7ebf2e3d4512cbe86a637fd20a89fd83a20f& [04-Nov-24 06:42 AM] tanda#0000 oh so he's got us fixed back to where we were a few months ago. He did have us fixed at 40/45 for a while. I guess he finally has stocks built up enough to enforce that price point at all the CXs [04-Nov-24 06:42 AM] tanda#0000 wow [04-Nov-24 06:50 AM] tanda#0000 At this rate it looks like it's probably time to start import efforts [04-Nov-24 06:51 AM] tanda#0000 If any newer players are interested in it, there's really good market potential here for a Co-op setup making Carbon [04-Nov-24 06:54 AM] realharvey#0000 @tanda are you an AA as well? We could copy the Setup from the burn project for this [04-Nov-24 06:54 AM] tanda#0000 I am not AA, lol. I had more in mind Evayoo's project from here specifically [04-Nov-24 06:55 AM] tanda#0000 if it's not a state secret I would be interested to see the structure and maybe help coordinate some people [04-Nov-24 06:55 AM] tanda#0000 but not looking to participate in a burn project right now [04-Nov-24 07:21 AM] realharvey#0000 Unfortunately I am also unable to participate with a permit aswell. (I also got out of the Coop of BURN in AA due to permitproblems) [04-Nov-24 07:22 AM] tanda#0000 I still have 3 permits left to spend before they get stupid expensive [04-Nov-24 07:23 AM] tanda#0000 But I think I know where I want to spend them and I've already been eyeballing cutting my INC and FRM base in the next 6 months [04-Nov-24 07:40 AM] manhim#0000 https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/yktEt-qUlIuYOnmz_uR4O4J3e_8nsfWab8hmUfvMY8E/https/media.tenor.com/MYZgsN2TDJAAAAAe/this-is.png [04-Nov-24 07:40 AM] manhim#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1302990851315728416/image.png?ex=6814cb4b&is=681379cb&hm=f76688f871302a1ff8f3f669953a9fc50ec29d5b1bf5a9755f6b1c0fd8e74dfd& [04-Nov-24 07:45 AM] realharvey#0000 What are you producing? [04-Nov-24 07:45 AM] manhim#0000 AL ๐Ÿ˜… [04-Nov-24 07:45 AM] manhim#0000 But {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1302992207481143296/image.png?ex=6814cc8e&is=68137b0e&hm=3af386da53f20ff5ec3ff9dfb3b2b17755b126e7e8290d8648f4b00aad388264& [04-Nov-24 08:23 AM] zipatsu#0000 My goal in the game is to provide reasonably cheap H2O to mainly the Antares CX and as best as I can to the Moria CX, I realize that the 1 million H2O listing for 40 AIC/u might make it appear as if I'm going for a 5/u margin but I assure you that the entirety of that listing is :H2O: I produced myself that's just there to prevent the price from instantly jumping to 60+ should my 100k listing run out before I have time to refill it. All the H2O that I'm currently producing and buying will be listed for 35/u which provides me with a 0.10 AIC margin and that's only because I can't list both the sell and the buy for 35 โœŒ๏ธ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Nov-24 08:31 AM] mancules#0000 The Carbon hike essentially ground my AL production to a halt, wish I had bought my weekly supplies a few days earlier [04-Nov-24 08:33 AM] tanda#0000 In the short term: send a contract to me on Deimos for 200 C @700/unit [04-Nov-24 08:33 AM] tanda#0000 But anyone with free WCBs need to go get it from Ben [04-Nov-24 08:34 AM] laaxus#0000 It's becoming harder and harder to become a CX absolutist when people buy the whole market rather than putting a bid order [04-Nov-24 08:35 AM] laaxus#0000 it's detrimental for everybody (except C seller) but I guess it's fun [04-Nov-24 08:36 AM] laaxus#0000 but honestly, this might just show that there isn't enough production of C right now, so maybe price will correct [04-Nov-24 08:37 AM] laaxus#0000 or players might go further vertical [04-Nov-24 08:43 AM] sidepipe#0000 I donโ€™t think itโ€™s purely a carbon problem - you could do the same on any number of markets if you had 20-40M AIC to spend [04-Nov-24 08:44 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ve been trying to list at several prices where I sell (FIM, DDT for example) to try and make that kind of maneuver more costly [04-Nov-24 08:47 AM] sidepipe#0000 But at the end of the day, flippers gonna flip. If you were a free market absolutist, you could say theyโ€™re trying to make the markets more efficient ๐Ÿ˜„ [04-Nov-24 08:47 AM] tanda#0000 Just going to point out that the person who did the spike today didn't buy for personal consumption {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1303007662329565276/Screenshot_20241104_064642_Chrome.jpg?ex=6814daf3&is=68138973&hm=6b6e7efce092041302303b499e9b7e49f988fbcef5ecd0651587d3df0cd0a477& [04-Nov-24 08:47 AM] tanda#0000 This is just messing with the market [04-Nov-24 08:47 AM] tanda#0000 So there's nothing wrong with your standpoint, Laaxus, this is just blatant marke manipulation [04-Nov-24 08:49 AM] sidepipe#0000 And people say this game doesnโ€™t have conflict ๐Ÿ˜„ [04-Nov-24 08:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 @moke. Is that your doing, again? [04-Nov-24 09:16 AM] moke.#0000 Nope [04-Nov-24 09:17 AM] manhim#0000 We could organise a strategic reserve of C. Have consumers pay a nominal fee for producers to stockpile C, then have them (or trusted brokers with money to spare) release the stockpiles based on sets of rules. The C could then either be released on CX for everyone's benefit, or to the sponsors/benefactors of the reserve. [04-Nov-24 09:17 AM] moke.#0000 I'm invested elsewhere right now. No reserves to dick around to drive up prices on stuff I sell [04-Nov-24 09:22 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Whats the nearest fertile planet to Norwick that isn't Harmonia? [04-Nov-24 09:22 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Oh wait, i can filter for that in prunplanner [04-Nov-24 09:22 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Neat [04-Nov-24 09:26 AM] tanda#0000 It's demeter. Good thing I was planning on expanding MHL production [04-Nov-24 09:27 AM] cruelcoin#0000 5 jumps though..... Hmmm, permit expand harmonia or new base demeter.... [04-Nov-24 09:28 AM] tanda#0000 If you're doing food production from demeter, you'll want to do it on Hermes [04-Nov-24 09:28 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Farming on Harmonia and food production on Norwick [04-Nov-24 10:14 AM] mancules#0000 I was able to get my C order filled at a reasonable price thankfully, but I've been considering starting up my second base soon, might be looking to move into C now, but I can't imagine this will be the new norm for it [04-Nov-24 10:15 AM] mancules#0000 Is it worth trying to jump on the train if I have to completely upstart a base or do y'all expect prices to normalize before I would start seeing meaningful returns? [04-Nov-24 10:15 AM] laaxus#0000 if you consume c, then it's never lost [04-Nov-24 10:18 AM] laaxus#0000 and it's hard to estimate how fas the market will correct itself [04-Nov-24 10:19 AM] tanda#0000 So many things consume C it will always be profitable. Chemistry actually uses more C than Metallurgy [04-Nov-24 10:20 AM] tanda#0000 And yeah INC and FRMs are cheap cheap cheap. You can expect a 30-40 day ROI [04-Nov-24 10:31 AM] laaxus#0000 No way the roi is so low ? [04-Nov-24 10:38 AM] tanda#0000 I usually think of worst case scenarios [04-Nov-24 10:38 AM] tanda#0000 Which would be the market correcting back to 650ish [04-Nov-24 11:09 AM] evov#0000 I find it amusing that in the same block of conversations... we have people crying about water being too cheap, and carbon being too expensive. The price is what it is. It's an economics based sandbox game, people are gonna do all sorts of crazy shit for their own reasons. Factor this in when deciding how much stock you want to hold onto.. or buy extra inputs ahead of time etc. {Reactions} link_cool โ˜๏ธ (2) [04-Nov-24 11:12 AM] evov#0000 Personally, I like seeing craziness on the CX. It makes things interesting and dynamic. [04-Nov-24 11:28 AM] tanda#0000 Carbon is especially bad for this to happen to due to how many newer players rely on the CX for supply. That's when older players have to step up and help out, though [04-Nov-24 11:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Hot take, if I can forever mine ALO and such I should be able to forever mine Coal ergo C {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Nov-24 11:31 AM] jcheung#0000 depends on which C is being used [04-Nov-24 11:31 AM] tanda#0000 It did always strike me as odd there are no carbon deposits in this game [04-Nov-24 11:31 AM] evov#0000 I'll slowly feed in small chunks of my Carbon reserves until it gets better. [04-Nov-24 11:31 AM] jcheung#0000 coke is a refined coal [04-Nov-24 11:32 AM] jcheung#0000 so you would still need INC, but be able to feed it with something other than FRM outputs [04-Nov-24 11:33 AM] pxlfox.#0000 for coal to exist, there had to be life first. So we're basically skipping million of years by burning the trees directly [04-Nov-24 11:33 AM] jcheung#0000 that said i wouldn't complain at all if you could go straight from deposit to SME [04-Nov-24 11:33 AM] jcheung#0000 arguably minerals have a longer lifecycle [04-Nov-24 11:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 but technically there could be planets around there with fossil fuels. like coal and oil. Maybe even planets already barren [04-Nov-24 11:37 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Exactly [04-Nov-24 11:37 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Like why do I need to assemble plastics from C and H why canโ€™t I use chemistry and oil? [04-Nov-24 11:37 AM] marat_sh#0000 fertile planets by default should have coal/oil deposits [04-Nov-24 11:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 does "fertile" mean, we can plant stuff there, or that there is actually life there? [04-Nov-24 11:39 AM] archielvahr#0000 It means you can place farms and orchards there [04-Nov-24 11:39 AM] marat_sh#0000 in my head it's a sign that something is growing or can grow there [04-Nov-24 11:39 AM] archielvahr#0000 ๐Ÿค” I never thought about other forms of life. They have no profit value! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜Œ [04-Nov-24 11:40 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I want a space ranch [04-Nov-24 11:40 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I will sell Kobe space stakes [04-Nov-24 11:41 AM] tanda#0000 Fertility at least implies the presence of microbes [04-Nov-24 11:42 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I imagine Harmonia like a planet completly cultivated with farms. There are no forrests, except the ones planet for wood harvesting. Every bit of water is used for aggregation. No native plant or wildlife - just monocultures of grain and beans [04-Nov-24 11:42 AM] laaxus#0000 CH4 doesn't require lifeforms [04-Nov-24 11:42 AM] laaxus#0000 and that's how H is currently farmed IRL [04-Nov-24 11:42 AM] laaxus#0000 which is a process that produce CO2 [04-Nov-24 11:43 AM] laaxus#0000 (that's why most H currently isn't green, Electrolysis isn't there yet) [04-Nov-24 11:43 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Imma petition for space cows so I can name a planet Moo Moo Meadows [04-Nov-24 11:45 AM] laaxus#0000 there's phinรฉas and ferb episode about that {Reactions} partyhehe [04-Nov-24 11:56 AM] sidepipe#0000 I like to imagine most of these planets as being fairly sparse frontier sort of places, since the populations are all pretty small ๐Ÿ˜„ [04-Nov-24 11:57 AM] sidepipe#0000 Though you could make the case that thereโ€™s population in the game other than what we see in POPRs, since all the MM goods need to go somewhere [04-Nov-24 11:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 There are probaly children, elderly people and others, who don't work [04-Nov-24 11:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 so "workers" are probably not the whole planet population [04-Nov-24 11:58 AM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/helping-failed-funny-sand-shovel-gif-17019968 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/helping-failed-funny-sand-shovel-gif-17019968 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/lviTOW6sMJSUb23l5PHMbUcLtfuXwY72aW0CT7JeosA/https/media.tenor.com/tg-GkNAx_pcAAAAe/helping-failed.png [04-Nov-24 12:02 PM] laaxus#0000 who don't work **yet** [04-Nov-24 12:03 PM] pxlfox.#0000 or anymore, after they got there legs cut of by some sci-fi traktor [04-Nov-24 12:03 PM] jcheung#0000 microbes can be provided [04-Nov-24 12:03 PM] jcheung#0000 just need an atmosphere that supports your crop, correct gravity range for your crop and soil that supports your crop [04-Nov-24 12:13 PM] pxlfox.#0000 and water [04-Nov-24 12:16 PM] pxlfox.#0000 on the topic of plants: What's a good place to burn you crops? Have my farms on Harmonia atm, but can't find a good planet with resource extraction CoGC [04-Nov-24 12:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Nascent {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [04-Nov-24 12:19 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I have other plans with Nascent [04-Nov-24 12:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok then any resource extraction planet that doesnโ€™t require AEF [04-Nov-24 12:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Halcyon for example [04-Nov-24 12:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Or Thalassa D [04-Nov-24 12:22 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Halcyon looks actually quite good [04-Nov-24 12:22 PM] pxlfox.#0000 how did I miss that one earlier ๐Ÿ™„ [04-Nov-24 12:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s a pretty great planet imo [04-Nov-24 12:31 PM] pxlfox.#0000 A triple input C base is, as long as you can provide the inputs yourself, is probably the most efficient one, isn't? [04-Nov-24 12:31 PM] laaxus#0000 efficient by production, yes [04-Nov-24 12:31 PM] laaxus#0000 the most profitable is a one input iirc [04-Nov-24 12:31 PM] laaxus#0000 that might have changed [04-Nov-24 12:32 PM] pxlfox.#0000 with input costs set to 0 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1303064249761005709/image.png?ex=68150fa6&is=6813be26&hm=b5dc7f82bb0e7f3bb3d006d055fcd037e09868f848b629005cedc0233b00ed25& [04-Nov-24 12:32 PM] pxlfox.#0000 but that might be not the right way to go for it [04-Nov-24 12:33 PM] laaxus#0000 I like using market values [04-Nov-24 12:35 PM] pxlfox.#0000 well, you would need to have 3 FRM bases to provide for a single C base, if you go for a 3 inputs setup [04-Nov-24 12:44 PM] tanda#0000 One full frm base supplies a whole inc base with GRN. Then do a base for HCP on life, run double burn mix {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Nov-24 01:01 PM] jcheung#0000 depends on if you can afford the inputs [04-Nov-24 01:02 PM] jcheung#0000 because the output always remains the same (which bothers me a lot) you need to spend a lot more permits [04-Nov-24 01:02 PM] jcheung#0000 so with your 0 input number, divide that by 4 [04-Nov-24 01:03 PM] jcheung#0000 that said... it's still the most profitable by time [04-Nov-24 01:03 PM] jcheung#0000 it's just not great profit [04-Nov-24 01:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Bothers me too [04-Nov-24 01:12 PM] sidepipe#0000 I might start burning C on Halcyon as well - I buy all my HAL from the Hal King, and Iโ€™ve got lots of spare crops [04-Nov-24 01:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Makes no sense that burning more just makes it faster [04-Nov-24 01:13 PM] sidepipe#0000 You just burn half of it and throw the rest away, I guess ๐Ÿ˜„ [04-Nov-24 01:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I guess [04-Nov-24 01:23 PM] jcheung#0000 IMO the double burn should make 5, and triple burn make 6... and the time reduction is less [04-Nov-24 01:24 PM] jcheung#0000 or even same time across the board [04-Nov-24 01:29 PM] realharvey#0000 Children can work. Forstpunk player speaking here {Reactions} โ˜๏ธ [04-Nov-24 01:31 PM] moke.#0000 Extended shifts on only soup too [04-Nov-24 01:55 PM] jvaler#0000 AA is pretty open, just join, state your purpose, and someone should role you [04-Nov-24 02:05 PM] jvaler#0000 not necessarily, agri output is pretty low logi in a 2k/2k. i only visit my harmonia base like once every 2 weeks. so the 1d trip out to demeter wouldn't be that bad [04-Nov-24 02:20 PM] jvaler#0000 for my demeter it's more like once a month though =P i run my HER there [04-Nov-24 02:21 PM] laaxus#0000 The true value of AGRI bases is how little shipping they require [04-Nov-24 02:26 PM] jvaler#0000 what i don't get is why ANT -> demeter is 1 day, and ANT -> hermes is 1 day, but demeter -> hermes is also 1 day ๐Ÿ˜ญ [04-Nov-24 02:27 PM] sidepipe#0000 Is Hermes in the same system, or really far away from its star? [04-Nov-24 02:45 PM] jvaler#0000 different system, i have no idea why it takes so long [04-Nov-24 03:48 PM] jcheung#0000 probably the landing and takeoff [04-Nov-24 03:49 PM] jcheung#0000 those add a ton of time [04-Nov-24 03:49 PM] jcheung#0000 at CX you can save hours by just being in orbit [04-Nov-24 04:24 PM] manhim#0000 It's why space elevators would be cool ๐Ÿ˜Ž [04-Nov-24 04:39 PM] jcheung#0000 it really would [04-Nov-24 04:40 PM] jcheung#0000 i would be willing to wait a day or week for my goods to be moved to/from orbit if my ships could just stop in orbit, pick up/drop off and leave [04-Nov-24 04:40 PM] jcheung#0000 not a month though. my hard limit personally would be a week's worth of waiting for 2k t/m [04-Nov-24 04:41 PM] jcheung#0000 ...maybe 10 days [04-Nov-24 04:44 PM] .shiva.#0000 Liftoff and landing are also the lions share of the SF use [04-Nov-24 05:08 PM] tanda#0000 You know what would be nice? Player stations in orbit. You could then contract out getting items lifted out of gravity wells and delivered to the station, then pick up when your ship gets there [04-Nov-24 05:18 PM] jcheung#0000 my concern for that would be how much is charged [04-Nov-24 05:18 PM] jcheung#0000 like i'm willing to pay, but not much more than the SF cost [04-Nov-24 05:19 PM] jcheung#0000 maybe a little more [04-Nov-24 05:19 PM] jcheung#0000 but not much more [04-Nov-24 05:19 PM] jcheung#0000 also, contract fatigue [04-Nov-24 06:28 PM] tanda#0000 Anybody in immediate need from this C market, I have 800 Carbon available on Deimos right now. You can feel free to contract me. Gotta keep those forges going [04-Nov-24 06:47 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1303158695743459410/image.png?ex=6814bedc&is=68136d5c&hm=5c2d9148a741b3060b78033e5c0710926006abb25d990f314c05a3231e97fef6& [04-Nov-24 06:47 PM] tanda#0000 not sure what Volcania's doing at 800 [04-Nov-24 06:48 PM] marat_sh#0000 maybe they really need some carbon [04-Nov-24 06:55 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1303160630945120287/image.png?ex=6814c0a9&is=68136f29&hm=2d8717c26846fdf8673dbd309a992d2dd7b062092f97a8cca5c6bc92a4c5295a& [04-Nov-24 06:55 PM] tanda#0000 There's like 30-40 of these LM ads [04-Nov-24 07:00 PM] razenpok#0000 Which is strange, since C.NC1 is looking fine [04-Nov-24 07:16 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 10 per ton from ANT to MOR?... fk that [04-Nov-24 07:17 PM] tanda#0000 while we're on the subject of inter-CX travel [04-Nov-24 07:17 PM] tanda#0000 what is the normal price for that? [04-Nov-24 07:32 PM] evov#0000 Depends on the CX. If I had spare ships around I'd probably take a 2k load somewhere for 50k. [04-Nov-24 07:32 PM] evov#0000 r.e. Carbon - I've got about 5k in my stockpile. I'll keep slowly feeding it into the CX till the price drops far enough. [04-Nov-24 07:33 PM] jcheung#0000 yulun does it cheap, under 10/t [04-Nov-24 07:33 PM] jcheung#0000 just a bit on the slow side [04-Nov-24 07:33 PM] jcheung#0000 okay. i figured out who's fucking with the market btw [04-Nov-24 07:33 PM] jcheung#0000 it's carboonium inc [04-Nov-24 07:34 PM] jcheung#0000 CO CRBM [04-Nov-24 07:35 PM] evov#0000 But it's only messed with in ANT - other CX's are still typical prices. So.... only takes a few days for CX-CX traders to start moving product around I'd imagine. [04-Nov-24 07:35 PM] jcheung#0000 idk why they think people will bite at 2k/u [04-Nov-24 07:36 PM] moke.#0000 Wasn't much movement after a week when I bumped the price [04-Nov-24 07:36 PM] tanda#0000 and Rakkzi is finally shipping his buys out too [04-Nov-24 07:36 PM] jcheung#0000 margins are a lot higher now than when you did it moke [04-Nov-24 07:37 PM] moke.#0000 Sure, but that's only because I kept the fun budget below 10mil [04-Nov-24 07:37 PM] moke.#0000 I could have bought up much more [04-Nov-24 07:38 PM] jcheung#0000 fun budget ๐Ÿ˜‚ [04-Nov-24 07:38 PM] tanda#0000 I think we're just in for a bad time all around with C [04-Nov-24 07:38 PM] jcheung#0000 see, i think it would be more interesting to just stick a high but not unreasonable bid on the market to mess with things, rather than to clear out asks [04-Nov-24 07:39 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1303171732345192550/image.png?ex=6814cb00&is=68137980&hm=3713065e31ad24c90becbe66009266abe86abf972f8cf91999a4900e22d0e51e& [04-Nov-24 07:39 PM] moke.#0000 My goal was catching the people who don't think, just buy. And it was very profitable. [04-Nov-24 07:39 PM] evov#0000 Don't make me do it! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1303171870891315230/image.png?ex=6814cb21&is=681379a1&hm=8e1cf295b8654d2aa537bd88fd6a76417f05ccff5b8ad6376d11d81ed45ffb02& [04-Nov-24 07:40 PM] tanda#0000 messing with supply messes with trust [04-Nov-24 07:40 PM] tanda#0000 ...lol [04-Nov-24 07:40 PM] tanda#0000 the problem will spread and everyone will be stuck with expensive C [04-Nov-24 07:40 PM] evov#0000 <10mil to empty out C from HRT [04-Nov-24 07:40 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm more worried about the metals cost [04-Nov-24 07:41 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, that's why I'm offering (with my limited means) to cushion that blow for newer players [04-Nov-24 07:41 PM] tanda#0000 I only produce 300/day currently [04-Nov-24 07:43 PM] tanda#0000 that same play in MOR is 53m [04-Nov-24 07:43 PM] tanda#0000 and I really wish someone would do that [04-Nov-24 07:43 PM] moke.#0000 We could pool our money [04-Nov-24 07:43 PM] evov#0000 I'd consider buying out all the markets up to ... 800-900 maybe. [04-Nov-24 07:44 PM] evov#0000 I think 800-900 is a reasonably fair region for C to sit in. [04-Nov-24 07:44 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1303173088514543638/image.png?ex=6814cc44&is=68137ac4&hm=2385d830cadb5d6ad7388659ae699ef3a577a14bff54b61368d5693f5a79b707& [04-Nov-24 07:44 PM] tanda#0000 can you even store all that? [04-Nov-24 07:44 PM] tanda#0000 like in a max CX inventory, I mean? [04-Nov-24 07:45 PM] evov#0000 It can sit in contracts until you open up space in your inv if needed. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [04-Nov-24 07:47 PM] jvaler#0000 CX WAR max is 500kt/500km^3 [04-Nov-24 07:48 PM] jvaler#0000 speaking of {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1303174095315402775/image.png?ex=6814cd34&is=68137bb4&hm=606d552ac2de10bc99973c0caf34baae87cf05e2e52bf9ae145af0479213f617& [04-Nov-24 07:48 PM] jvaler#0000 oof [04-Nov-24 07:49 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1303174233614188587/image.png?ex=6814cd55&is=68137bd5&hm=5fd814dfb755ab2442fa83ccdd39efbe1483e66d41150577d6e6f34aa92f7ed7& [04-Nov-24 07:49 PM] tanda#0000 cannot relate [04-Nov-24 07:50 PM] jvaler#0000 oh the culprit is probably the 1000 BGO, 6000 BER, 4480 AL, and 4000 CLI i have sitting around {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [04-Nov-24 07:50 PM] jvaler#0000 i've got some presents for you rise =P [04-Nov-24 07:50 PM] tanda#0000 oh sheesh, you have that much CLI? [04-Nov-24 07:50 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah it goes to rise [04-Nov-24 07:50 PM] jvaler#0000 who probably has even more [04-Nov-24 07:51 PM] tanda#0000 I want to know what Rise does with all that Iodine he makes [04-Nov-24 07:51 PM] jcheung#0000 @.urpalhal did you need BER? i think rise is about to get a restock [04-Nov-24 07:51 PM] tanda#0000 because it doesn't seem to go anywhere [04-Nov-24 07:52 PM] jvaler#0000 @riseoffilth [04-Nov-24 07:52 PM] tanda#0000 no MHL, no Vita Essence, and no Vita Gel on leaderboards [04-Nov-24 07:52 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/its-classified-tom-cruise-classified-private-secret-gif-9579704 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/its-classified-tom-cruise-classified-private-secret-gif-9579704 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1ProqY8I8G6ln8DX_EPOX6_sI7g6d1O2yjoLrJYT41I/https/media.tenor.com/i7RykfZu-pkAAAAe/its-classified-tom-cruise.png [04-Nov-24 07:52 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/NFNeWc9X54F9xs4-2Wee989hBvsMkh743mHr6d3LquA/https/media.tenor.com/8CPvdgIHcZ4AAAAe/rookie-numbers.png [04-Nov-24 07:52 PM] tanda#0000 darn [04-Nov-24 07:53 PM] jvaler#0000 they are ๐Ÿ˜” [04-Nov-24 07:53 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ๐Ÿ˜† become a hoarder [04-Nov-24 07:53 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-jonah-hill-gif-5441859 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-jonah-hill-gif-5441859 one of us https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/NJSnFnNJRcAbQCrxsX8XYkNxV-QKaIhwZJPgs4E9gSA/https/media.tenor.com/mpmbsd82G14AAAAe/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort.png [04-Nov-24 07:54 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1303175515775041537/image.png?ex=6814ce86&is=68137d06&hm=56fc59f5b71842e17fd6d153325077a1e4be171cd564cb8c99bcd2c8d0f7f66c& [04-Nov-24 07:54 PM] evov#0000 Ok, just did some copy/paste and ran some filters over it - To buy out all the Carbon UP to 900/unit 25mil NCC 8.3mil CIS 7.3mil ICA {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ antares (2) [04-Nov-24 07:55 PM] tanda#0000 I have begun being inter-CX {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1303175726450610236/image.png?ex=6814ceb9&is=68137d39&hm=4630204da6caa4e78383c32051a58e664554bf33e1f30f349853adeacbbd79a3& [04-Nov-24 07:55 PM] tanda#0000 this is only going to get worse [04-Nov-24 07:56 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 oops (๐Ÿ˜† jkjk) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1303176154290847766/image.png?ex=6814cf1f&is=68137d9f&hm=999389a36bea7429ca56ac22347e16e5c52dc031762e2f588af38c1f1927f450& [04-Nov-24 07:58 PM] tanda#0000 spread the hurt, lol [04-Nov-24 07:58 PM] razenpok#0000 It will ๐Ÿ’€ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1303176526350778418/image.png?ex=6814cf77&is=68137df7&hm=37d6c735378ea77df24d727628b7e18dc9f5a270764d74c5a3582281c2575828& [04-Nov-24 07:58 PM] evov#0000 Buying up all that carbon up to 900/unit - would give you about 50k Carbon. [04-Nov-24 08:01 PM] evov#0000 Risk exposure not worth potential profit imo. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1303177329664720947/image.png?ex=6814d037&is=68137eb7&hm=499e6c91f924c7899318a40f3074e87701e5555df06f8bf942dc66c17e3d72be& [04-Nov-24 08:02 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, it's not a good idea [04-Nov-24 08:02 PM] tanda#0000 It's a fun idea, though [04-Nov-24 08:02 PM] evov#0000 If you think you can sell it all quickly. Or if you think you can get MORE than 900/unit - then it might make sense. [04-Nov-24 09:49 PM] jcheung#0000 AI.1 SF prices trending up slowly [05-Nov-24 01:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/this-is-war-war-theres-going-to-be-a-war-dwight-schrute-gif-15746079 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/this-is-war-war-theres-going-to-be-a-war-dwight-schrute-gif-15746079 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/f1S4U3Eg7g_H4Z4G39VLEMLjCqct9z0pTO0c-IzZT7s/https/media.tenor.com/Bx8KFoS-7McAAAAe/this-is-war-war.png [05-Nov-24 01:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And people say there is no conflict in PrUn [05-Nov-24 01:43 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1303263511153213481/image.png?ex=681477ba&is=6813263a&hm=c48983bd6e4fbb116217ae52e414ea93955dbf8cc2c764ee2a84445e5066b4dc& [05-Nov-24 01:43 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/jIW9G9aveYM.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/haker-minions-pelea-yo-quiero-ser-el-haker-mi-villano-favorito-gif-8024652252443741322 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Vml47vjwncqlyx1YPvcZwBMWohBEBj0k8RYCEmEuEe4/https/media.tenor.com/b11KtQjyjIoAAAAe/haker-minions.png [05-Nov-24 05:24 AM] brelov#0000 https://tenor.com/view/aragorn-ii-elessar-sword-my-sword-lotr-gif-13928138 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/aragorn-ii-elessar-sword-my-sword-lotr-gif-13928138 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/0preLkev1Ofl_doULE-rafB60oYycZ2qktK9wKcV3Qg/https/media.tenor.com/VnsH9T8Y1bEAAAAe/aragorn-ii-elessar-sword.png [05-Nov-24 10:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://discord.com/channels/350171287785701388/350171288267915277/1303369691418595388 [05-Nov-24 10:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 ~~The culprit has shown himself~~ [05-Nov-24 10:59 AM] razenpok#0000 No, he is referring to an older event [05-Nov-24 10:59 AM] tanda#0000 The date stamp on that is from the surge 2 weeks ago [05-Nov-24 11:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Ah, missed that ๐Ÿ˜… Sorry for the fake-news [05-Nov-24 12:45 PM] jcheung#0000 let's see if they buy out the next 3.5k C [05-Nov-24 08:02 PM] tanda#0000 What's going on with LDE {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1303539981414830210/image.png?ex=6814d076&is=68137ef6&hm=381fbef3b825cb73838a92068327ba2b23089433b979eb94b589881513956f51& [05-Nov-24 08:04 PM] zillatron#0000 Iโ€™m no economist but my unprofessional opinion is itโ€™s gotten quite expensive [05-Nov-24 08:04 PM] zillatron#0000 (Iโ€™ll see myself outโ€ฆ.) [05-Nov-24 08:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Letโ€™s make some money [05-Nov-24 08:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 [05-Nov-24 08:05 PM] zillatron#0000 brb going to build more PP2โ€™s [05-Nov-24 08:06 PM] tanda#0000 better make sure you can source the NL! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [05-Nov-24 08:09 PM] tanda#0000 actually, nah [05-Nov-24 08:09 PM] tanda#0000 cut loose, market will support about a week [05-Nov-24 08:09 PM] tanda#0000 weird that LDE is that thin and NL is actually healthy [05-Nov-24 08:19 PM] zillatron#0000 i make my own ๐Ÿ™‚ [05-Nov-24 08:20 PM] tanda#0000 ooh, go make bank, then {Reactions} stonks (2) [05-Nov-24 10:15 PM] evov#0000 Historically, NL is the pinch point for LDE prices. I know that's the attack vector I used once upon a time when I pushed LDE over 12k for a while. [05-Nov-24 10:16 PM] jcheung#0000 NL prices are low [05-Nov-24 10:16 PM] evov#0000 LDE and NL look fairly healthy everywhere. It's only LDE in ANT that's spiked. So probably a "transitory" price blip [05-Nov-24 10:26 PM] zillatron#0000 and theres a fair bit on the market, not much moving though [05-Nov-24 10:27 PM] zillatron#0000 weird huh [05-Nov-24 10:28 PM] jcheung#0000 probably a base drop or big repair [05-Nov-24 10:34 PM] zillatron#0000 wellll i'll help fill it back up in a few days ๐Ÿ˜ [05-Nov-24 10:55 PM] getonthetrain#0000 NL is cheap. A full base with 5 experts makes less than 30 NL and still only gets you ~35k a day profit selling at the ask [05-Nov-24 10:57 PM] getonthetrain#0000 Size of WPL and slowness to produce makes me think NL should be priced higher than it is [05-Nov-24 11:51 PM] jcheung#0000 idk why it crashed so hard [05-Nov-24 11:51 PM] jcheung#0000 was bidding over 4.5k when i started making the stuff and when i got rolling the price crashed down to 4k and now 3.6 [06-Nov-24 06:20 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1303695536691347537/image.png?ex=6814b895&is=68136715&hm=921f74d4d944ba6989c677866a21279d8d95245b4af1a54f08b37621d9a55b4f& [06-Nov-24 06:20 AM] tanda#0000 all my bases are smelling minty fresh [06-Nov-24 08:19 AM] getonthetrain#0000 What about that one little guy? [06-Nov-24 08:20 AM] tanda#0000 He's been bad, so I'm not counting him [06-Nov-24 08:20 AM] tanda#0000 Scheduled for demolition, in fact [06-Nov-24 12:06 PM] avalock#0000 imma lick them [06-Nov-24 08:10 PM] tanda#0000 Dang C is making everything look Ruff {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1303904448107647026/image.png?ex=6814d265&is=681380e5&hm=75fdeeee804645802c35ba376d7ed053fefd2dc7ffda865a9a70835ce541f0b9& [06-Nov-24 08:18 PM] getonthetrain#0000 pop out some copper [06-Nov-24 08:18 PM] getonthetrain#0000 make-a the CF [06-Nov-24 08:19 PM] getonthetrain#0000 there is zero CF at ANT [06-Nov-24 08:19 PM] tanda#0000 there is zero C at HRT [06-Nov-24 08:20 PM] getonthetrain#0000 yup, but that's not ANT so ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [06-Nov-24 08:20 PM] tanda#0000 I mean I don't care, but there seems to be an exodus of C from the market currently [06-Nov-24 08:22 PM] getonthetrain#0000 HRT didn't have any FE a month or so ago, but ANT is in no position to help with the C this time [06-Nov-24 08:22 PM] tanda#0000 it'll all have to come from Moria, then [06-Nov-24 08:31 PM] getonthetrain#0000 This still looks like opportunity to me. Here is the current state of BMP land {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1303909602152284200/image.png?ex=6814d732&is=681385b2&hm=5419dedbd44de8568bb5c14241a93a2c8aafa91a4de558a61df3e038064cdce0& [06-Nov-24 08:33 PM] tanda#0000 sheesh, something is wrong with your market setup {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1303910125391581205/image.png?ex=6814d7af&is=6813862f&hm=034b0ad2162a9f777b63167f97a5fca0ff3f46d2eb15c5c0eed575ae051c62bd& [06-Nov-24 08:33 PM] getonthetrain#0000 nothing wrong, its worst case [06-Nov-24 08:34 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1303910350558724147/image.png?ex=6814d7e5&is=68138665&hm=9ab7ea082506dd9176251ceb1c9380d11a9a49d6061d0add803192206d522b34& [06-Nov-24 08:34 PM] getonthetrain#0000 plan for the worst [06-Nov-24 08:34 PM] getonthetrain#0000 hope for the best [06-Nov-24 08:34 PM] marat_sh#0000 it's buy at ASK and sell at BID {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [06-Nov-24 08:35 PM] marat_sh#0000 nobody wants anything and inputs are expensive [08-Nov-24 09:28 AM] pxlfox.#0000 a fews weeks ago, I didn't know what to do with myself in this game, and know I'm writing a roadmap paper for my company, to get an overview of all the ongoing and upcoming projects ๐Ÿ˜… {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [08-Nov-24 09:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 when the games starts to feel like a second job ๐Ÿ˜‚ [08-Nov-24 09:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 As long as itโ€™s fun yeah? [08-Nov-24 09:32 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 It do be like that ๐Ÿ˜† sneaks up on you quick. Just don't overextended to the point that it's not fun. Everyone has a different ideal 'end game' and it's important to think about what that is before you expand right past it and burn out ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ we're not all Lowstrife or Fire, lol [08-Nov-24 09:32 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I have 1 base now and I'm very happy with it, lol [08-Nov-24 09:33 AM] sidepipe#0000 I havenโ€™t been having as much fun recently, but itโ€™s actually because Iโ€™ve been falling behind on the planning. Itโ€™s not as fun just mindlessly refilling bases with no concept of where youโ€™re going [08-Nov-24 09:34 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ve been hoping to do some of the same this weekend. Just sit down and figure out what to build next (and catch up on my repair backlog ๐Ÿ˜ฌ) [08-Nov-24 09:34 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m thinking about plopping down another HAL EXT base ๐Ÿ˜‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [08-Nov-24 09:35 AM] sidepipe#0000 The salt must flow [08-Nov-24 09:39 AM] sidepipe#0000 I think Iโ€™m going to try and convert both Harmonia and Demeter to full-time HER production, and then maybe expand my hydroponics to take care of all RAT inputs. FIM has been my major product for a while now, but Iโ€™m limited on how many HER I can make [08-Nov-24 09:39 AM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ‘€ [08-Nov-24 09:39 AM] sidepipe#0000 That and getting my BWS production up to full speed [08-Nov-24 09:39 AM] sidepipe#0000 (Which I sell on internal offers - shameless advertisement) [08-Nov-24 09:40 AM] jcheung#0000 i'll happily eat your FIM ๐Ÿ‘€ [08-Nov-24 09:40 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Yeah, that's where I kinda burned out. Planning is fun, but eventually you expand so far that maintenance eats into planning time. I think when I get back into it I'm gonna just build 2 or 3 temporary bases at a time. Produce massive amounts of simply supply chains, then demolish on the repair day instead of maintaining it and move on to the next project. Great for resource extraction of obsucure resources too {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [08-Nov-24 09:42 AM] sidepipe#0000 I get that. I want to simplify what I do a bit as well. I have a lot of stupidly complicated bases / supply chains that just grew over time [08-Nov-24 09:45 AM] sidepipe#0000 Any obscure resources in your near future? ๐Ÿ˜„ [08-Nov-24 09:45 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ๐Ÿ˜… negative. I've only just finished my downsizing in the past 2 weeks, I'll just be running this one base for a while [08-Nov-24 09:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It's more fun, then waiting 2 weeks to produce enough cash to build one building ๐Ÿ˜… [08-Nov-24 09:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Or beeing overwhelmed and have no idea what to do [08-Nov-24 09:52 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Yeah, I followed some of the discussions of the late-game pros. Defintely aware of the grind-fatigue this game suffers [08-Nov-24 09:52 AM] laaxus#0000 it's better to plan ahead and expand when you can Than wondering what to do with the money [08-Nov-24 09:52 AM] evov#0000 Make more stuff more faster! [08-Nov-24 09:54 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 shipbuilders aren't human, you don't count ๐Ÿ˜ [08-Nov-24 09:56 AM] evov#0000 I self identify as a property developer now. [08-Nov-24 10:00 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Fair ๐Ÿ˜† I have done a bit of that. Not a whole system though, lol. [08-Nov-24 10:01 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 How are you handling logistics for that system? Will it be set up like a co-op, or just ever person doing their own thing but with a common goal? [08-Nov-24 10:01 AM] evov#0000 I'm in the process of gradually shutting down any of my bases that are more than 1 day's flight from the ANT CX - and using the permits locally. {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [08-Nov-24 10:02 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Yeah my ANT bases were sadly the first to go, I kept the stuff close to BEN [08-Nov-24 10:02 AM] evov#0000 The goal with that system - fund gateways with taxes collected across a set of planets that will benefit from the gateway's being built there. [08-Nov-24 10:03 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I like the concept a lot [08-Nov-24 10:03 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 If I was still building I'd be down [08-Nov-24 10:03 AM] evov#0000 So I'm setting it up as an industrial hub - Construction / Metalurgy / Chemistry / Manufacturing / Electronics bases. So as it grows and more people join we'll have a lot more on planet and inter planet trade. [08-Nov-24 10:05 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Amazing for STL only ships, *especially* once you have gateways up [08-Nov-24 10:05 AM] evov#0000 At the moment all the planets are set up to support up to Engineers ( maybe some very light sci ) - I found that in order to find suitable places to build higher tier stuff, I had to look to other regions to cover my needs. [08-Nov-24 10:05 AM] evov#0000 Yea.. but I still don't think STL only ships make sense. [08-Nov-24 10:06 AM] evov#0000 Location wise - it's within range of ANT cx and HRT cx when gateways become available. And before gateways - it's less than 24hrs flight time at low fuel usage from either cx. [08-Nov-24 10:11 AM] evov#0000 As population on the planets grow and slots open up for immigration programs, we'll open it up for more people to join. But it will remain invite only since taxes will be higher than usual, the overall goal of the project is to fund and build gateways, so it's really only suitable for people who are aware of the goals/direction and are on board with that vision. [08-Nov-24 10:38 AM] scorpy6225#0000 Any shipbuilders got ships on hand? [08-Nov-24 10:39 AM] jcheung#0000 evov [08-Nov-24 10:39 AM] jcheung#0000 probably [08-Nov-24 10:39 AM] scorpy6225#0000 appreciate it [08-Nov-24 08:06 PM] evov#0000 ^ Sup sup What do you need Scorpy [09-Nov-24 12:41 AM] scorpy6225#0000 What u got on hand? [09-Nov-24 12:42 AM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1304697649349525514/image.png?ex=6815121f&is=6813c09f&hm=4783f8c4bb1c8377b5abd5324a3f719188b0ebad8f7919ed4c72e024513e73e7& [09-Nov-24 12:43 AM] scorpy6225#0000 Brilliant ill get back to you on this soon [09-Nov-24 07:14 AM] razenpok#0000 ๐Ÿ’€ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1304796263962902648/image.png?ex=6814c537&is=681373b7&hm=10738af0119bc42ae5c6b814353540a8e84ac763f0726e18181dc9184df11ce1& [09-Nov-24 07:15 AM] laaxus#0000 lmao what [09-Nov-24 07:15 AM] laaxus#0000 oh wait that's ben [09-Nov-24 07:15 AM] laaxus#0000 I just lost all interest [09-Nov-24 07:47 AM] marat_sh#0000 Oh boy ๐Ÿ‘€ [09-Nov-24 07:50 AM] sidepipe#0000 Seems like everywhere is running out of everything recently [09-Nov-24 08:33 AM] jcheung#0000 really does [09-Nov-24 08:33 AM] jcheung#0000 making me worried [09-Nov-24 08:40 AM] evov#0000 I guess some people look at turbulent markets and see problems, some people see turbulent markets and see opportunities. [09-Nov-24 08:56 AM] sidepipe#0000 I look at turbulent markets and see turbulent markets ๐Ÿ˜‰ [09-Nov-24 08:59 AM] sidepipe#0000 Definitely happy to see things moving around though - I think things got too stable for a while [09-Nov-24 10:02 AM] razenpok#0000 I can agree - my arbitrage sheet is now a bit more interesting to look at [09-Nov-24 10:16 AM] tanda#0000 I look at turbulent basic goods market and get worried about how many new players take one look at that and just go "nah thanks" and bounce [09-Nov-24 10:18 AM] marat_sh#0000 I still think that it's better that way. It opens opportunities for investment. If price is stable it will be dominated by people who produce their own inputs (no room for growth) [09-Nov-24 10:19 AM] laaxus#0000 market instalbility is half the reason why horizontal companies are not very viable [09-Nov-24 10:20 AM] laaxus#0000 so I disagree [09-Nov-24 10:20 AM] marat_sh#0000 ^ yes and no [09-Nov-24 10:20 AM] laaxus#0000 The unstable C market just convinced me to build a nascent base for my own use [09-Nov-24 10:21 AM] marat_sh#0000 it's just the game is designed around to help jumpstart the economy [09-Nov-24 10:21 AM] marat_sh#0000 but it doesn't take into account that people will just keep building into the chain [09-Nov-24 10:22 AM] marat_sh#0000 it goes back to lack of diverse MM and small amount of alt recipes [09-Nov-24 10:22 AM] sidepipe#0000 personally, I think the biggest obstacle to horizontal companies is availability, not price {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [09-Nov-24 10:23 AM] marat_sh#0000 small player population and division into factions also not helping [09-Nov-24 10:24 AM] marat_sh#0000 also people not using BIDs but instead just build the base of the item that need [09-Nov-24 10:24 AM] marat_sh#0000 Also Laaxus... I lost ๐Ÿ˜… [09-Nov-24 10:25 AM] marat_sh#0000 I gave up on horizontal economy [09-Nov-24 10:25 AM] tanda#0000 a bid is a long term solution. I've been getting in the habit of putting down bids on some of my own markets I'm selling in just to give the price a bit of a floor [09-Nov-24 10:25 AM] marat_sh#0000 we just need more people to do that on larger scale [09-Nov-24 10:26 AM] marat_sh#0000 well kinda gave up [09-Nov-24 10:26 AM] marat_sh#0000 I am going full extraction economy (still horizontal but I don't have to pray to sell items) [09-Nov-24 10:26 AM] laaxus#0000 I would say the other half is how companies have limited permit per planet (and therefore cogc) Meaning it's almost always economically optimal to diverse My opinion is that permit should not have diminishing area, and that a company should be able to get as many permit as they desire + experts being company wise and not planet wise [09-Nov-24 10:28 AM] razenpok#0000 There would be no reason to colonize non-optimal planets then [09-Nov-24 10:30 AM] laaxus#0000 in my vision, there would be 3 kind of experts planet level : increase production for a specific recipe (or maybe for an output good ?) company level : increase production for a specific building (or group of building, for those building with few recipes) Corporation level : increase production for a specific cogc [09-Nov-24 10:32 AM] laaxus#0000 with this setup, it is necessary to colonize other planets, as you basically need one planet per recipe/output good [09-Nov-24 10:33 AM] laaxus#0000 I have another, separate hot take : there should be not plot limit, but they should be rented and each new plots on the planet would increase the price [09-Nov-24 10:44 AM] tanda#0000 I think I may wind up buying out the BE market at ANT soon [09-Nov-24 11:11 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Market turbulence isn't all that bad, however it might be a good question to ask yourself, in whatever you do... "What do I really need the market for, in terms of repairs, consumables, production inputs, ships, fabs.... That I just cannot do without, lest whole planets or production chains simply stop, or I have to go through extra pains or expenses to keep them running? [09-Nov-24 11:21 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I have BE [09-Nov-24 11:21 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I make BE [09-Nov-24 11:21 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m drowning in it [09-Nov-24 11:21 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Granted itโ€™s for PSK [09-Nov-24 11:49 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 All you want to do, is just "*BE*"? lol [09-Nov-24 11:55 AM] tanda#0000 Ba Dum TSH [09-Nov-24 12:18 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1304872781162483803/image.png?ex=68150c7a&is=6813bafa&hm=03fa943741aade21c094ccf467ee7a7b14dce5caf905a6dec265f7c26a6e7ed1& [09-Nov-24 12:18 PM] marat_sh#0000 some insider info... I have 1k EXO left and production is going to stop soon [09-Nov-24 12:22 PM] pxlfox.#0000 All of it? [09-Nov-24 12:26 PM] marat_sh#0000 yeah [09-Nov-24 12:27 PM] marat_sh#0000 I am doing rebranding [09-Nov-24 12:27 PM] marat_sh#0000 manufacturing doesn't work well with horizontal playstyle [09-Nov-24 12:28 PM] laaxus#0000 the only viable horizontal is chemistry imo [09-Nov-24 12:31 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Mmm, what is horizontal playstyle in Prun? Is it something akin to RL, or just different? https://ik.imagekit.io/je8lpsqkoi/cms-content/assets/assets/blogs/ecommerce_architecture_1_5HPjlphcKP.webp {Embed} https://ik.imagekit.io/je8lpsqkoi/cms-content/assets/assets/blogs/ecommerce_architecture_1_5HPjlphcKP.webp https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/u1kX0Baqp0zjqNkODiwmJfwWsf0ezLBZY3m4raXinZE/https/ik.imagekit.io/je8lpsqkoi/cms-content/assets/assets/blogs/ecommerce_architecture_1_5HPjlphcKP.webp [09-Nov-24 12:32 PM] tanda#0000 I think it means rather than using a lot of your own outputs to build increasingly complex items before selling at the end as a finished product [09-Nov-24 12:32 PM] tanda#0000 you have a lot of more simple input and output goods that you buy and sell [09-Nov-24 12:34 PM] laaxus#0000 my defintion are : Vertical : build element of the same supply chain Horizontal : focusing the company on a specific cogc or product (like zipatsu with water) [09-Nov-24 12:45 PM] marat_sh#0000 it's more like: Take raw item and refine it until it sells [09-Nov-24 12:46 PM] marat_sh#0000 don't look into EPO LEAD next few weeks ๐Ÿ‘€ [09-Nov-24 12:47 PM] laaxus#0000 I have 2 full epo base for my own use [09-Nov-24 12:47 PM] marat_sh#0000 all the way from HAL? [09-Nov-24 12:47 PM] laaxus#0000 nope [09-Nov-24 12:48 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm going from EPO to hal [09-Nov-24 12:48 PM] laaxus#0000 rather than from HAL to EPO [09-Nov-24 12:48 PM] marat_sh#0000 I am going hal to epo [09-Nov-24 12:49 PM] laaxus#0000 Anyway, I'm quite happy with my NFI lead [09-Nov-24 12:59 PM] marat_sh#0000 BUT im gonna lean more into extraction [09-Nov-24 12:59 PM] marat_sh#0000 like 70/30 [09-Nov-24 01:00 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 wow, so much NFI.... needed to run PSH processes. lol [09-Nov-24 04:38 PM] evov#0000 Disagree. INS ran out in BEN while there were plenty of BID's active. C skyrocketed in ANT while there were plenty of BID's active. I use bids a lot, but it's tangential to the issue. The core of the issue of items running out is that too many people are trying to use "Just in time" logistics and not keeping enough of a buffer on hand. RL examples of this occurred during the Covid period where plenty of business' / industries saw similar issues. All of a sudden supply of critical parts could take weeks or months instead of days, which would then cause downstream delays of higher order products. The solution for the most part - increasing buffers and being a little bit less "lean". While supply was certain, "Just in time" manufacturing logistics was "the way" - it was the most cost effective way to make stuff, and while supply was certain and consistent it worked great. Having increased buffers allows the price to rise more gradually without supply dropping to zero. It affords more time for people to recognise there's a shortage and spin up new industry to supply into that shortage. When buffer size is too small it's like - Things are FINE, FINE, FINE, FINE, that's a bit expensive, OH shit the market is all out of X and my factories are now idle shit shit shit reeeeeeer [09-Nov-24 04:39 PM] tanda#0000 we're talking about two different things [09-Nov-24 04:40 PM] tanda#0000 I'm talking about lightly populated markets that have very little to no traffic. If I'm both selling and buying in that market it helps 1)attract buyers who will use that product 2) attract producers who may otherwise have never produced that product [09-Nov-24 04:41 PM] tanda#0000 I've seen it help take off the SFK, GC and THP markets just a little bit [09-Nov-24 04:46 PM] tanda#0000 You might be trying to reply to Laaxus' statements regarding bids. I was specifically intending to state that bids are only ever a long term solution, they don't help in short term crises [09-Nov-24 04:51 PM] evov#0000 For spooling up new markets - bids and asks on the cx play equally important roles imo. I think the core of the issue in a lot of those markets though, is that you get a lot of items only get used in 1 production. So it requires a 1 to 1 production line and it just doesn't make a lot of sense to either spool up markets for the products or to lean on the CX for them. ( And yeah - to me it looked like a continuation of the "C market running dry" line of thought" - is what I thought I was commenting on sorry ) [09-Nov-24 04:52 PM] tanda#0000 I will admit I only started selling THP because PP4's turned out to be more expensive than I initially expected [09-Nov-24 04:53 PM] evov#0000 and THP has been super proffitable to make for a while probably played a role in that choice ๐Ÿ™‚ [09-Nov-24 04:57 PM] evov#0000 -> Example of some items that have 1 - 1 production/use where I feel like vertical integration is going to remain the default best choice for a while. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1304942923472961677/image.png?ex=6814a50d&is=6813538d&hm=b9179632c8d135fb83ed1cfe43f256ccd56f38bd1ce947bd7ef8f74068e119b6& [09-Nov-24 04:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ah yes LIS ๐Ÿฅด [09-Nov-24 04:59 PM] laaxus#0000 half of market issues would be solved if players, instead of buying x amount at ask price at the end of everyweek, would put a bid order at the beginning of everyweek [09-Nov-24 04:59 PM] realharvey#0000 a lot problems would be solved if there where just more players in the market [09-Nov-24 04:59 PM] evov#0000 You'd have to clarrify what you mean by "problems" [09-Nov-24 05:00 PM] moke.#0000 Instructions unclear, buying out the people undercutting by large %'s to resell. [09-Nov-24 05:00 PM] evov#0000 I'd say more than half of my buy's on the CX are through bids. [09-Nov-24 05:00 PM] laaxus#0000 and you're doing god work [09-Nov-24 05:00 PM] laaxus#0000 alongside allocater [09-Nov-24 05:00 PM] laaxus#0000 god I love bid order [09-Nov-24 05:01 PM] laaxus#0000 everybody love bid order [09-Nov-24 05:01 PM] evov#0000 I don't think it plays that big a role in stopping market shortages though. I think holding onto large amounts of stock.... and either stop buying, or selling back into the market... that's what helps mitigate the damage people experience from shortages. [09-Nov-24 05:03 PM] igfloz#0000 There might also be the issue of producing 1000 of an item /week, when the market only sells 10 / week. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [09-Nov-24 05:03 PM] igfloz#0000 .....and you still want to "ask" a higher price [09-Nov-24 05:04 PM] evov#0000 ^ I've made this mistake more times than I care to admit. [09-Nov-24 05:04 PM] igfloz#0000 *you is just a variable - not aimed at anyone [09-Nov-24 05:05 PM] laaxus#0000 I do not see what you're talking about [09-Nov-24 05:05 PM] laaxus#0000 *cough* *cough* [09-Nov-24 05:06 PM] igfloz#0000 I figure it happens many times, to many players...... I also figure (I wonder ?) is this one of the reasons newer players don't stick around ? [09-Nov-24 05:07 PM] evov#0000 Unlikely, but who knows. I think people stop playing games or leave communities for a wide range of reasons. [09-Nov-24 05:07 PM] laaxus#0000 I think a bigger factor is that most players expect instant rewards, high dopamine game [09-Nov-24 05:07 PM] laaxus#0000 tiktok addicts and so on [09-Nov-24 05:07 PM] tanda#0000 the dopamine is in the planning [09-Nov-24 05:08 PM] .shiva.#0000 I mean there's instant rewards, and then there's the tutorial saying go fuck off for 12+hrs before you can do anything else, after about 5-10min... [09-Nov-24 05:08 PM] .shiva.#0000 the onboarding isn't great [09-Nov-24 05:08 PM] laaxus#0000 yeah, i'm sorry but the set of people being turned on by planning and excel sheets is (quite unfortunately) rather small [09-Nov-24 05:09 PM] evov#0000 As you progress through the game, you do need to (imo) change your direction... modify your goals, come up with new goals. Recognize that your circumstances have changed and that the thing you've been working towards for the last 3 months.... you've achieved... and now you need to come up with something new to work towards - I think that can sometimes be a road block for people. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [09-Nov-24 05:09 PM] igfloz#0000 I kinda agree. When the "trickle of 100K / week $$" disappears for whatever reason, then a flash sale or a quit manufacture situation will arise [09-Nov-24 05:11 PM] igfloz#0000 I 100% agree !!! I binned the onboarding very quikly [09-Nov-24 05:12 PM] igfloz#0000 ...binned the onboard and found a discord ๐Ÿ˜„ [09-Nov-24 05:12 PM] igfloz#0000 ...it was quicker and more informative [09-Nov-24 05:13 PM] laaxus#0000 Once I have reached the point where it takes months to build a new bases, I'll try to make my own tutorial with missions and the like [09-Nov-24 05:14 PM] evov#0000 Do you think you'll have more down time, or less down time.... while you're trying to keep 37 bases running? [09-Nov-24 05:15 PM] laaxus#0000 i'm quite efficient managing my ships [09-Nov-24 05:15 PM] laaxus#0000 right now, i'm "losing" my time wondering if I do plan A, B or C [09-Nov-24 05:16 PM] evov#0000 How many bases are you at right now? [09-Nov-24 05:16 PM] tanda#0000 I'm in the middle of ripping off Archiel's idea [09-Nov-24 05:16 PM] laaxus#0000 8 [09-Nov-24 05:17 PM] tanda#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1247251299620225087/1301214249443655711 [09-Nov-24 05:18 PM] evov#0000 Making the tools needed to run your opperation and make good choice is half the game imo. [09-Nov-24 05:22 PM] igfloz#0000 ๐Ÿ‘† I also agree with this. PrUn is nothing without tools that enable dedication [09-Nov-24 05:22 PM] laaxus#0000 it's also why I believe API should be a priority [09-Nov-24 05:22 PM] laaxus#0000 ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [09-Nov-24 05:25 PM] evov#0000 I honestly think one of the relative advantages I have in this game is that I play it raw. Steam version. No addons. It forces me to make my own tools to help run/manage things. This means I'm often looking at different information / have a different perspective on things. Sometimes that just makes life harder haha... but sometimes it means I see things others don't. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [09-Nov-24 05:27 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Steam version got recently broken on Linux.. Me sad. ๐Ÿ˜ญ [09-Nov-24 06:27 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I would almost entirely agree with this sentiment... However, give me the chance to expound on this, by bringing all of it into some abstraction. Lets say, if you're focused on the short-term realities of what you do, then you could have an "operational" mindset --- short term objectives, be they from day-to-day, towards week-to-week: * You don't have any structure regarding what you intend to achieve in-game; you're always "reacting" to a given FIO/APEX market situation in any market region, and you may have organised some metrics, but such is dis-jointed, distracted, or generally not becoming of a joint-strategic effort, with your own means, towards some specific goal. Short-term ASK/BID operations fall into this category, along with short-term production goals. Macro-economic strategies will not pivot based on these in-game actions, but all other micro-economic strategies will. [09-Nov-24 06:29 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The inverse of this is a "structural" mindset --- long term objectives, be they from month-to-month, or towards year-to-year: * You have planned out serious, long-term structural investments, which you intend not only to invest in-game, but to achieve them through an attrition through time. You're not really reacting on any FIO/APEX market situation, since you have your bases covered, and are only really having to deal with your "retail" market operations on the CX. All other considerations are handled with your own permits, your own logistics, your own partnerships, or whatever else can be had, since you're no-longer on an "Input-based" operational metric, but on an "Output-based" structural metric. Macro-economic strategies will pivot based on this... If you can out-produce a competitor, on a better break even-price... If your competitor doesn't pivot, then they will eventually break. [09-Nov-24 06:35 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I suspect that everyone is within the range of these two disparate means of in-game activity. If you're not, then it would be my recommendation to consider the #other-half? ----- I hope that my edits are making my ideas more readable to everyone. If you want less, well god'darn, now y'all are asking for som'real hill-billy talk. [09-Nov-24 06:41 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/wall-of-text-who-asked-gif-13446607101319546836 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/wall-of-text-who-asked-gif-13446607101319546836 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/2DzFmjuV0yPXTn-2p0td7dEeV1KCDQ8SzSCv68kGOVk/https/media.tenor.com/upvx6lxlh9QAAAAe/wall-of-text-who-asked.png [09-Nov-24 06:52 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 This is nice.. But, I do not like you.... I will keep terms, to just single words, just for Jean Paul Marat? [09-Nov-24 07:06 PM] evov#0000 As best I can tell, the tldr of the word salad you threw up is... People have short term plans and long term plans and they're different. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [09-Nov-24 07:10 PM] marat_sh#0000 Don't get me wrong I don't mind it... It's just funny [09-Nov-24 07:10 PM] avalock#0000 wruff arf woof [09-Nov-24 07:10 PM] marat_sh#0000 My bean brain can't read many words [09-Nov-24 07:10 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m just a dog [09-Nov-24 07:16 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yeah totally... People are just going to fight and ping me on my "terms", so I'd just explain me'self in one go. I'm barely on Discord anymore. It's the weekend and you'll get a little bit of Roh.... But Evov... people are different... But do they know why they're different, or even of the choices they pick? [09-Nov-24 07:17 PM] evov#0000 The only thing that differentiates Roh, from someone's malfunctioning LLM project they're testing out here... is the time spent typing the responses. This is how I know Roh is a person and not a . . . Roh-bot {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1304978296252924004/image.png?ex=6814c5ff&is=6813747f&hm=dfd17ced490bbffcdd0ed7654a24959200152575da0cc75f3ebd12e8baf826cf& {Reactions} ๐Ÿค– (2) [09-Nov-24 07:18 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Thank you, omg.... [09-Nov-24 07:19 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You haven't even seen the stupid side of my name.... Every time I sortie out in #Foxhole (game)..... I always hear Row, row your boat, gently down the stream......... [09-Nov-24 07:21 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiRJ20LPTv0 {Embed} Fairfield County Children's Choir https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiRJ20LPTv0 Row, Row, Row Your Boat Fairfield County Children's Choir presents โ€˜Music Makes the World Go Roundโ€™ Saturday, May 13, 2017 at The Quick Center for the Arts, Fairfield University - http://quickcenter.fairfield.edu/ Combined Choirs with Audience Conducted by Lisa Bettke Click to support FCCC -- https://ybillc.isecuresites.com/quickpay/fccc https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ybClkFV1t7x1laPODVpaOghPsJ3QkrH6Cw4FXR1LoA8/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/iiRJ20LPTv0/maxresdefault.jpg [09-Nov-24 07:22 PM] marat_sh#0000 Man, I am sorry. I didn't mean to offend you. It was just funny to reply with that gif. Don't take it personally [09-Nov-24 07:22 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I never do. ๐Ÿ˜› {Reactions} ๐Ÿซถ [09-Nov-24 07:23 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 But... [09-Nov-24 07:23 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I always get to make jokes on you. ๐Ÿ˜› [09-Nov-24 07:23 PM] marat_sh#0000 Life is easier with jokes flying around [09-Nov-24 07:23 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Always. [09-Nov-24 07:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ~~ั†ั‹ะบะฐ ะฑะปัั‚ัŒ~~ {Reactions} pog [09-Nov-24 07:32 PM] marat_sh#0000 Exactly [09-Nov-24 07:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜œ [10-Nov-24 04:39 AM] laaxus#0000 How can I make this chart prettier {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1305119587322302527/image.png?ex=6814a0d5&is=68134f55&hm=c6795d959683aff2365f91c7763a3615bd68a6c98b5b5bec894e2b88620bbd64& [10-Nov-24 04:51 AM] realharvey#0000 more data points [10-Nov-24 04:55 AM] laaxus#0000 but then I'd have to use date and not weeks and the x axis would become unreadable [10-Nov-24 04:56 AM] laaxus#0000 the data points issue will resolve over time [10-Nov-24 05:15 AM] evov#0000 How did your equity double in a week? Going from 3mil to 10mil seems.... like rapid growth. [10-Nov-24 05:15 AM] laaxus#0000 leased bases [10-Nov-24 05:16 AM] evov#0000 Any debt / outstanding loans should be subtracted from current assets. [10-Nov-24 05:16 AM] laaxus#0000 i'm using pmmg equity, which do that for me I believe [10-Nov-24 05:18 AM] evov#0000 I'd worry less about prettiness, and more about refining data to give an accurate representation. Otherwise it will set unrealistic expectations (for your future self) and potentially other new players wondering what they're doing wrong if they're not making 7mil a week by week 3. [10-Nov-24 05:20 AM] laaxus#0000 What would you do ? [10-Nov-24 05:22 AM] evov#0000 .... subtract outstanding loans/debt from current assets. Or find another way to measure financial growth gives the answers you're looking for. Other than taking a random set of numbers and making a pretty graph out of it... what's the objective of the chart? What are you trying to see/figure out? [10-Nov-24 05:23 AM] laaxus#0000 Total money earned over time, is what I'm kinda looking for [10-Nov-24 05:24 AM] evov#0000 So, net wealth, including permits / ships / bases / cash / stock etc? [10-Nov-24 05:24 AM] laaxus#0000 exactly [10-Nov-24 05:27 AM] evov#0000 Do you know exactly what pnmg equity includes/doesn't include and how it's calculated? [10-Nov-24 05:30 AM] laaxus#0000 from what I understand, pmmg does buildings + stocks + cash [10-Nov-24 05:31 AM] laaxus#0000 but does not include HQ + ships [10-Nov-24 05:31 AM] laaxus#0000 because you technically can't sell them, so it technically can't be part of "equity" [10-Nov-24 05:32 AM] evov#0000 What do you want to use the information for? Like, what choices or decisions will it inform and allow you to make better choices etc? [10-Nov-24 05:32 AM] laaxus#0000 it's less about the decision process, and more about the feeling of progression [10-Nov-24 05:33 AM] evov#0000 Do you know the value of the loans/debt etc? Just manually subtract it? [10-Nov-24 05:34 AM] laaxus#0000 When in 1 year, I'll see a the pmmg equity line go down by 10M because I upgraded HQ, it would feel like i'm doing something bad Hence why I'm trying to make my own line [10-Nov-24 05:34 AM] laaxus#0000 it substract the total owned value, including interest [10-Nov-24 05:35 AM] laaxus#0000 hence why it's technically possible to have a negative pmmg equity [10-Nov-24 05:35 AM] evov#0000 Ok, so what did you do in that week that made you gain 7mil? [10-Nov-24 05:35 AM] laaxus#0000 I received 2 leased bases [10-Nov-24 05:36 AM] laaxus#0000 so my equity went up by the base value + production/workforce stocks [10-Nov-24 05:37 AM] evov#0000 How does the base lease work? You get given bases, and pay them back over time by supplying discounted goods? [10-Nov-24 05:38 AM] laaxus#0000 the terms depends on the person [10-Nov-24 05:38 AM] laaxus#0000 but in this case [10-Nov-24 05:38 AM] evov#0000 Well, in this situation, the person is you. So . . . how are they set up? [10-Nov-24 05:39 AM] laaxus#0000 I receive the construction material, the commodity needed, and I give them the production, and I'm paid a fixed amount for that service [10-Nov-24 05:39 AM] evov#0000 For how long? [10-Nov-24 05:39 AM] laaxus#0000 undetermined [10-Nov-24 05:40 AM] evov#0000 So you can cancel that deal tomorrow? [10-Nov-24 05:40 AM] laaxus#0000 technically yes I did it with one of the 2 bases : I gave back exactly what I received (construction material + input goods etc) [10-Nov-24 05:41 AM] laaxus#0000 but won't do it, because It's a mutually beneficial deal [10-Nov-24 05:41 AM] evov#0000 Ok, sure. So that's a loan then? If you give back the cost of the base when you end the deal? [10-Nov-24 05:42 AM] laaxus#0000 is it really a loan if the deal doesn't end ? But yes, it could be considered a loan The key difference is the lack of risk [10-Nov-24 05:45 AM] laaxus#0000 I could make a leased base column now that we're talking about it [10-Nov-24 05:45 AM] evov#0000 If you want to track YOUR GROWTH - you should probably not include the value of assets that are given to you. Such as those bases. Otherwise, you'll get a very unrealistic view on how you're doing. When the slope of the graph is primarily determined by the types of bases people gift you, and not by the production + market activity you do... it's not really a reflection of anything other than the points in time you took leased base deals. [10-Nov-24 05:46 AM] evov#0000 I think the sort of info you're looking for.... you really need to subtract debts/loans/value of leased bases etc from it. That way it shows the net sum of your actual earnings. [10-Nov-24 05:49 AM] evov#0000 Also using the log scale - I can imagine those 2 things combined, 2 months from now you'll be looking at it wondering why it feels like you're not getting the forward movement you might expect. [10-Nov-24 05:51 AM] laaxus#0000 update : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1305137760406863892/image.png?ex=6814b1c2&is=68136042&hm=440f4aa92ddd50e6965aa91569b456db685f63f13d4c9044080cc6a4064bfd0a& [10-Nov-24 05:52 AM] evov#0000 What happened in week 7? Sharp price change of a material you were holding a lot of? [10-Nov-24 05:56 AM] laaxus#0000 I took Allocateer mahalat deal [10-Nov-24 05:58 AM] jcheung#0000 I feel like there should be an option to skip labels on the axis... [10-Nov-24 05:59 AM] laaxus#0000 honestly, I like it the weekly way I don't want it to become a chore [10-Nov-24 06:04 AM] jcheung#0000 Why is there such a large gap between 2m and 4m [10-Nov-24 06:06 AM] laaxus#0000 because it's a log scale [10-Nov-24 06:08 AM] jcheung#0000 Then shouldn't the gap between 0 and 2 be larger? [10-Nov-24 06:08 AM] laaxus#0000 a log scale never start at 0 [10-Nov-24 06:09 AM] jcheung#0000 Also why do you start at week 2? Didn't have week 1 data? [10-Nov-24 06:10 AM] laaxus#0000 in this case, it started week 1, after I got my AGP grant [10-Nov-24 06:10 AM] laaxus#0000 week 1 is 1.2M, I have to check my other computer for data [10-Nov-24 06:13 AM] jcheung#0000 Do you switch scales at 10m? [10-Nov-24 06:13 AM] laaxus#0000 no [10-Nov-24 06:14 AM] laaxus#0000 that's how google sheet does its log scale [10-Nov-24 06:14 AM] evov#0000 It's just a log scale - which .... don't understand why you'd want to use a log scale for this but... ./shrug [10-Nov-24 06:14 AM] laaxus#0000 1-2-4-8-10 [10-Nov-24 06:15 AM] laaxus#0000 personnal preference [10-Nov-24 06:17 AM] jcheung#0000 Idk, maybe I'm too used to seeing evenly spaced log scales and the labels on the left actually follows a log10 pattern [10-Nov-24 06:17 AM] jcheung#0000 Like 10 100 1000 10000 etc [10-Nov-24 06:17 AM] laaxus#0000 spreadsheet charts are bad [10-Nov-24 06:18 AM] evov#0000 It's just missing a stack of lines so it looks different to whatever log graph stuff you might be used to seeing I'm guessing. [10-Nov-24 07:06 AM] razenpok#0000 @jvaler shoulda added a link to PMMG in #prun-resources {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [10-Nov-24 07:48 AM] jvaler#0000 how did i miss that too... [10-Nov-24 07:49 AM] jvaler#0000 i'll do it in a bit {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [10-Nov-24 01:29 PM] laaxus#0000 To optimize base repair [10-Nov-24 01:29 PM] laaxus#0000 one must repair building on the 59th day ? [10-Nov-24 01:30 PM] laaxus#0000 just before mats goes from 1 to 2 ? [10-Nov-24 04:40 PM] jvaler#0000 if the building cost is a multiple of 3, yes. [10-Nov-24 04:41 PM] jvaler#0000 FP for example [10-Nov-24 04:42 PM] jvaler#0000 stuff that's a multiple of 4 is done on the 45th or 90th. i prefer 45th cause 90 gets too far down there in efficiency for my liking [11-Nov-24 02:08 AM] guillejejexdd#0000 hii, i just started and im in antares, what do i need for that free milion? ๐Ÿ‘€ [11-Nov-24 02:08 AM] realharvey#0000 Check out #agp-information [11-Nov-24 02:09 AM] guillejejexdd#0000 ty!! [11-Nov-24 09:04 AM] jvaler#0000 PT.AI1 is about to fall out [11-Nov-24 09:04 AM] jvaler#0000 y'all have me to buy from tho so you're safe [11-Nov-24 09:06 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1305549219066810368/image0.gif?ex=6814df75&is=68138df5&hm=32d8af505d43b6bb7f1a4aaa5fa670f304b162090f7aa0f88f9f0c3149e4ed48& [11-Nov-24 09:09 AM] tanda#0000 I still have 700 from the last time it fell out [11-Nov-24 09:36 AM] marat_sh#0000 600/u ๐Ÿ’€ [11-Nov-24 09:38 AM] tanda#0000 PT is so slow to consume it could probably be at 800 with no real consequence {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [11-Nov-24 09:40 AM] marat_sh#0000 in comparison how much you spend on DW / RAT / COF / KOM [11-Nov-24 09:41 AM] marat_sh#0000 PWO / PT / REP / OVE are criminally cheap [11-Nov-24 09:47 AM] tanda#0000 they're only cheap because of how low level they are to make [11-Nov-24 09:48 AM] marat_sh#0000 + how fast you can make them [11-Nov-24 09:48 AM] tanda#0000 I kinda feel like manufacturing could use a second tier of BMP that does some recipes that the current BMP does {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [11-Nov-24 09:55 AM] laaxus#0000 @maauuu______ come here [11-Nov-24 09:56 AM] maauuu______#0000 here ^_^ [11-Nov-24 09:57 AM] laaxus#0000 This is the best place to discuss anything prun related [11-Nov-24 09:57 AM] maauuu______#0000 okk [11-Nov-24 09:57 AM] laaxus#0000 you should take a look at https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1254862461719416943 [11-Nov-24 09:57 AM] laaxus#0000 click on that blue link [11-Nov-24 04:52 PM] jcheung#0000 i gotta say [11-Nov-24 04:52 PM] jcheung#0000 the repair mechanics of this game make me really annoyed [11-Nov-24 04:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Whyโ€™s that? [11-Nov-24 04:53 PM] jcheung#0000 it's tedious, expensive [11-Nov-24 04:53 PM] jcheung#0000 fairly frequent [11-Nov-24 04:54 PM] jcheung#0000 i would prefer being able to like [11-Nov-24 04:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Valid and true [11-Nov-24 04:54 PM] jcheung#0000 do something similar to planet stuff for upkeep if i understand it correctly [11-Nov-24 04:54 PM] jcheung#0000 throw some amount of materials into a stockpile and it just auto consumes it [11-Nov-24 04:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like provide a maintenance kit instead [11-Nov-24 04:55 PM] jcheung#0000 still expensive but less tedious [11-Nov-24 04:55 PM] jcheung#0000 and gives an at-a-glance view of what i need [11-Nov-24 04:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Provide a stock of fabs for it to slowly โ€œrepair itselfโ€ [11-Nov-24 04:55 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah [11-Nov-24 04:55 PM] jcheung#0000 if you run out it starts to actually degrade [11-Nov-24 04:55 PM] tanda#0000 one of the issues with this games tiering is that means you have to have 3-4 different types of repair kits to consume [11-Nov-24 04:56 PM] jcheung#0000 i don't even want kits [11-Nov-24 04:56 PM] tanda#0000 but yeah, the constant uptime of keeping on top of repairs is fatiguing [11-Nov-24 04:56 PM] jcheung#0000 just let me feed the materials i already need to bring into my buildings [11-Nov-24 04:56 PM] tanda#0000 and I only have 14 base to worry about [11-Nov-24 04:56 PM] igfloz#0000 ...provide a need for engineers to repair - so you may have to retain a repair team to use your stock pile ? [11-Nov-24 04:56 PM] tanda#0000 if there was a "maintenance team" Building, I think everyone would use it [11-Nov-24 04:57 PM] igfloz#0000 damn right ! [11-Nov-24 04:57 PM] jcheung#0000 honestly like i've not been doing anything interesting in prun in the last *two weeks* because i keep looking at my repairs coming up and going "well there goes my fucking motivation" [11-Nov-24 04:58 PM] igfloz#0000 The F word in that statement makes it all the more palpable ! - ...and I do agree with you [11-Nov-24 04:59 PM] tanda#0000 I wish we could pay for repairs the way PRUNplanner calculates: on a daily basis [11-Nov-24 04:59 PM] jcheung#0000 that's what i'm saying [11-Nov-24 04:59 PM] jcheung#0000 or rather more specifically [11-Nov-24 05:00 PM] jcheung#0000 i guess it would be closer to workforce [11-Nov-24 05:01 PM] .shiva.#0000 yeah it being basically the same system as workforce would be preferable imo [11-Nov-24 05:17 PM] jcheung#0000 https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/allow-repairs-to-be-done-similarly-to-workforce-consumption/6748 {Embed} https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/allow-repairs-to-be-done-similarly-to-workforce-consumption/6748 Allow repairs to be done similarly to workforce consumption Iโ€™ve been stewing over repairs for the last several weeksโ€ฆ I donโ€™t know about anyone else, but every time I look at repairs I just lose motivation to continue doing anything. So what if instead of having a narrow one day window for ideal repairs every whatever period, resources were just consumed โ€œdailyโ€ like workforce consumables instead? Any... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/x0Lcv9Tc0WstLZAut1pc9Cply1Z-ZpDJ_X3qJLQ4S_k/https/com.prosperousuniverse.com/uploads/default/original/1X/9637dadda95e302d05ebee320ec8473189637a64.jpg {Reactions} link_cool [12-Nov-24 05:08 AM] brelov#0000 If you need a separate building, engineers and stockpile materials to repair your ships then wouldn't that make it more inconvenient for new and f2p people? You can't exactly provide repairs to others if they can't accept contracts either. [12-Nov-24 05:14 AM] brelov#0000 I'd rather pay for higher quality fuel that doesn't wear down your engines as much [12-Nov-24 07:20 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Well, if this idea would make you feel better, I just ship in full production building construction mats to my bases. I repair every 45 days usually (it's not a strict rule for me). You get insufficient sums when your operation is like at day 135 -> 180, or less, due to things like BTA/LTA, or whatever buildings require only like 1 unit for the repairs. It's a ratio thing. Around that time, I just ship back the leftovers, and bring back a fresh stock. It's turns the issue from repairs every 45-> 90 days, to every 6 months or so. I have the capital to sustain this, and the storage. [12-Nov-24 07:22 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I think PMMG extended also has semi-automated inventory transfer functions that will do most of that routine, and annoying work for you, once you set it up. Don't ask me how they work, as I haven't fiddled with them yet. [12-Nov-24 07:24 AM] tanda#0000 there's a good video explaining xit actions on the PCT server I think? [12-Nov-24 07:32 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 or just poke PiBoy314. He's somewhere in here, lol. [12-Nov-24 07:32 AM] tanda#0000 I think he's pretty busy these days [12-Nov-24 07:36 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It looks self explanatory.. And you can even automate the BRA - Repair stuff, and purchase mats on the CX. [ XIT ACTION ] #premium tools {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1305888919987949589/Screenshot_from_2024-11-12_07-34-31.png?ex=6814ca54&is=681378d4&hm=b67e7241645a0fdd317fb708dcd1cb826cc2fe4ec73c5473467289bc652a4959& [12-Nov-24 07:49 AM] manhim#0000 I have my own custom Burn sheets that keeps tracks of my materials for repairs. I set it to "Top off" rather than provision because I don't want to overstock too much on repair materials. That way, I always have the materials needed for repairs on hand. The next thing would be to have a sheet that warns me when it's time to repair, but I'm using XIT REPAIRS for now. It's just that it doens't keep track of varying building ages which I'd like to keep track of. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1305892354024149004/image.png?ex=6814cd87&is=68137c07&hm=552ec811f78085a3dfd5bbfd9d0c63567ebc4cb46ae25442b6e0192ec0ebc767& [12-Nov-24 08:13 AM] jcheung#0000 It's not tracking that i care about [12-Nov-24 08:14 AM] jcheung#0000 If i miss a 1-2 day window i have to wait another 15, 30, 45, 60 days or i waste a ton of money [12-Nov-24 08:18 AM] taiyibureau#0000 Who is min-maxing their repairs beyond their first 5 bases? [12-Nov-24 08:19 AM] taiyibureau#0000 Or maybe focus on the expensive high tier ones and eyeball the rest [12-Nov-24 08:23 AM] taiyibureau#0000 I have given up that min-maxing in favour of just eyeballing repairs. Less tedium which kills my enjoyment. [12-Nov-24 08:48 AM] frentic#0000 This is an intersting start of a good topic. Repairs are really troublesome to do. I dont know if I agree with your suggestion yet per-se, but repairs is definitely needing some love. [12-Nov-24 08:48 AM] frentic#0000 this is a neat spreadsheet ๐Ÿ˜„ [12-Nov-24 08:49 AM] jcheung#0000 Throw in your five cents [12-Nov-24 08:49 AM] jcheung#0000 Considering that the cost of one of my base repairs is in the millions? [12-Nov-24 08:49 AM] frentic#0000 I now use prunplanners new repair feature and my repair spreadsheet is now retired. [12-Nov-24 08:50 AM] frentic#0000 I need to min-max repairs on my IDC (SL) bases because of huge costs, but only those that really get my full attention... [12-Nov-24 08:52 AM] taiyibureau#0000 If you manage IDC then you can focus on those. I really hope you don't have more than a couple of those. [12-Nov-24 08:53 AM] taiyibureau#0000 And even there. No harm in giving yourself some slack by planning to repair a couple days early and have a wider window before the number ticks over to the next integer [12-Nov-24 08:54 AM] frentic#0000 Its not because of IDC per-se, was meaning that there are buildings with r-fabs that if you dont watch closely the repair costs can be overwhelming. [12-Nov-24 08:54 AM] frentic#0000 idc is one example ๐Ÿ˜„ [12-Nov-24 08:54 AM] taiyibureau#0000 See my suggestion on repairing a couple days early to have some slack [12-Nov-24 08:59 AM] frentic#0000 Its kind of interesting how every aspect of the game is intricate... repair is not an easy one... I mean, ok, I can give myself some slack by repairing earlier... but earlier then what? 30 / 45/ 60 / 90 days? what is the best window? (hint: it depends on the type of building) These questions are not very impactful for bases with < 1 mil repair tags.. but on 20 SL bases that the repair tag approaches ~9mi fast... its def worth the study. ๐Ÿ™‚ [12-Nov-24 09:01 AM] jcheung#0000 That's still a narrow window [12-Nov-24 09:02 AM] taiyibureau#0000 Not enough so send an emergency ship in case you forgot? [12-Nov-24 09:02 AM] jcheung#0000 I want to expand it. I won't die on the hill of it being like consumables, but it needs some change [12-Nov-24 09:02 AM] jcheung#0000 Not when I'm saturated on shipping [12-Nov-24 09:02 AM] taiyibureau#0000 Found you issue ๐Ÿ˜„ [12-Nov-24 09:03 AM] taiyibureau#0000 Though I am not against your suggestion on a foundational level [12-Nov-24 09:03 AM] jcheung#0000 Difference between me and you? I'm not as established. Repairs can be debilitating for less established players [12-Nov-24 09:04 AM] taiyibureau#0000 High capital bases require a lot of capital? If you are dabbling with high tier you better have some cash to throw around [12-Nov-24 09:05 AM] jcheung#0000 Even without high capital bases [12-Nov-24 09:06 AM] taiyibureau#0000 Is it that bad? I find it to be a fraction of a percent of the base cost (daily) [12-Nov-24 09:07 AM] frentic#0000 Well, I dont believe the issue is with the repair costs, but with the repair mechanics. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [12-Nov-24 09:08 AM] frentic#0000 Maybe a place where you add the items and "configure" a day to be consumed and repaired would be nice... like setting up prod orders but repair orders with a due date to happen... [12-Nov-24 09:08 AM] taiyibureau#0000 What you are describing here sounds suspiciously like player burn-out which has been seen far too many times [12-Nov-24 09:08 AM] laaxus#0000 I would love an automated consumption for repair [12-Nov-24 09:08 AM] frentic#0000 I dont know what would be nicer/easier to run... but Jcheung started the debate so... here I am ๐Ÿ˜„ [12-Nov-24 09:09 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1305912318172856330/image0.gif?ex=6814e01f&is=68138e9f&hm=eda8a35abae710c427294bc71062fdc45904faa01e56fd1c633b87be32ae8cb9& [12-Nov-24 09:09 AM] jcheung#0000 I wonder if there's a reason for it [12-Nov-24 09:09 AM] taiyibureau#0000 From quick expansion and really pressing down the pedal [12-Nov-24 09:09 AM] taiyibureau#0000 Maybe cut down on the number of bases [12-Nov-24 09:09 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's a little more nuanced. Many people will point their fingers at "shipping" at being the issue, or other things. Still the underlying issue is usually long-term expansion strategy, and application of a company's working liquidity (player decisions). [12-Nov-24 09:10 AM] taiyibureau#0000 What I am saying is it might have less to do with the repair mechanic but with your general "workload" [12-Nov-24 09:10 AM] jcheung#0000 Expansion and regular runs aren't a problem for me, my issue is needing to hit narrow windows [12-Nov-24 09:10 AM] frentic#0000 I dont know why are we diverting from "can we improve repair mechanics" to "you're complaining because of burn out, heres what you need to do with burnout: 1. 2. 3.." {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [12-Nov-24 09:12 AM] taiyibureau#0000 Dunno, maybe because that has a higher chance of happening than the devs changing the repair mechanics. But I don't necessarily want to divert from the suggestion. It is still a decent idea, but I have not found the repair thing to be that tideous, that's all [12-Nov-24 09:12 AM] frentic#0000 Sure, for you theres nothing to improve, noted. ๐Ÿ™‚ [12-Nov-24 09:13 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Improving APEX repair mechanics is something that we can rummage through for days, for suggestions, but we're ultimately not in control, of such patches should they ever happen. [12-Nov-24 09:13 AM] frentic#0000 thats how changes start. do you know how lowstrife got 100 changes in? suggesting and waiting. ๐Ÿ™‚ [12-Nov-24 09:14 AM] jcheung#0000 You know the saying "the squeaky wheel gets the grease"? [12-Nov-24 09:15 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 As for jc's tight schedules, I can outsource my fleet, to pretty much hit most of your stuff, on basically a <1 day shipping intervals. Ohh wait, there's the non-multi item contract issues... Ooph... [12-Nov-24 09:15 AM] jcheung#0000 If we "rummage for days" and present a coherent squeak, we might get grease [12-Nov-24 09:15 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 How long have we been rummaging on these things, on the forums? [12-Nov-24 09:15 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 A few years, i'd bet. [12-Nov-24 09:15 AM] frentic#0000 Hey @scintillating_iridescence , just realized on your suggestion: maybe if they improve shipping contracts that might indirectly make repairs easier to handle too [12-Nov-24 09:15 AM] jcheung#0000 This specific topic? A quick search turns up not at all [12-Nov-24 09:19 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/some-things-id-like-to-see/3302 {Embed} https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/some-things-id-like-to-see/3302 Some things I'd like to see Greetings all, and especially the Devs. Iโ€™ve played an uncountable number of games in my life (and Iโ€™m not young!) So have plenty of depth to make some creative criticisms. #1: Flee Play. Sorry, this game is not free in any sense of the word. In order to engage in the MMP part of the game, you need to pay. There is really no exception to this.... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/x0Lcv9Tc0WstLZAut1pc9Cply1Z-ZpDJ_X3qJLQ4S_k/https/com.prosperousuniverse.com/uploads/default/original/1X/9637dadda95e302d05ebee320ec8473189637a64.jpg [12-Nov-24 09:19 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 at least back to 2021, there's also MoonSugar's notice, which wasn't that long ago, which echoes many same ideas. [12-Nov-24 09:20 AM] jcheung#0000 1) bulk suggestions in one thread are never productive 2) does not actually reference the same thing i do [12-Nov-24 09:20 AM] jcheung#0000 They want most of the cost converted to cash and mcg [12-Nov-24 09:21 AM] jcheung#0000 Also, when developing large things, 3 years is really not that long [12-Nov-24 09:22 AM] jcheung#0000 Especially when it's integrated and affects multiple systems [12-Nov-24 09:22 AM] frentic#0000 oh nice finding, never saw that one: "#10: Building Upkeep. I really really really hate the way building upkeep is done." hahahah nice [12-Nov-24 09:23 AM] frentic#0000 there are some suggestions there that were added to the game. [12-Nov-24 09:23 AM] frentic#0000 cool to see what the game state was back then [12-Nov-24 09:23 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ```I really really really hate the way building upkeep is done. It makes no sense at all. my building is 0.01% damaged, and it now costs me at least 25% of the starting materials to fix it!``` Yeah maybe, but he's hitting on the same point... Add another 20% to that condition, for say like 90 day repairs, or less, and you've got the same issue. It probably wont help, but it's in the feedback section of those forums. I don't see a #feature-request tag on there. So maybe there's a bit of dev tunnel vision. Who knows? [12-Nov-24 09:24 AM] frentic#0000 Nah, devs see it all for sure. [12-Nov-24 09:25 AM] taiyibureau#0000 Maybe the repair could just consume the building materials fractionally just as consumables are done? Then there are no large jumps in the repair costs {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [12-Nov-24 09:26 AM] taiyibureau#0000 It's not consumed automatically as consumables but it hits a similar vein [12-Nov-24 09:27 AM] jcheung#0000 Speaking from working with game devs on other servers, if it's a multi-item thread they might glance at it once... Then forget about it because when they want to reference it it's hard to find. Also convos are mixed and they need to work to pick out specific thoughts about a specific item. [12-Nov-24 09:28 AM] jcheung#0000 Workforce does not consume fractionally [12-Nov-24 09:28 AM] jcheung#0000 It consumes a whole and adjusts the next consumption time [12-Nov-24 09:31 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I think I might have a good question, for anyone to query on the forums, somewhere in UFO or PCT... [12-Nov-24 09:34 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 With long-term play times, comes great responsibilities. With so many bases to build and repair, ships to fill and send out, consumables to restock, and production queues to tinker... Should these player workflows be a hidden constraint (of some math scaling/function, pick one), just like the linear I/O's for ship production, or the exponential build costs for more HQ permits? {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [12-Nov-24 09:35 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Dev response to that will tell you if all these "issues" with current mechanics are intended/not, and if there's any interest to make them better. [12-Nov-24 09:35 AM] jcheung#0000 What? [12-Nov-24 09:36 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Why do we have to click so much? Why no automation? In shorter words. [12-Nov-24 09:40 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Or let me phrase it another way. If jcheung had the liquidity, and more ships than they needed, to get all his base repairs set and done on time, per their condition limits, would his problem be solved? Or would another problem creep up in terms of the time needed to do the in-game buffer magic to get it all done. Forget the exact repair mechanics. Assume that devs make it better in 3 months. [12-Nov-24 09:40 AM] jcheung#0000 How do you glean that from your previous? Not seeing the connections [12-Nov-24 09:42 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Add more bases, ships, inventories, cx ask/bid orders, contracts, et.c. [12-Nov-24 09:43 AM] frentic#0000 I believe there's a line dividing automation between an active-game and an idle-game. Nowadays its too active, almost no automation... but we're moving towards more automation (pmmg actions is a good example). It's a tricky subject from a games perspective. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [12-Nov-24 09:44 AM] frentic#0000 Multi-item-contracts, Multi-shipping-routes, etc... [12-Nov-24 09:50 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Should the given interaction stay the same. I'd say for jcheung to keep playing for 2 years, and then to come back and tell me how they feel about my question. It's hard to explain if you haven't gone through the click-suffering like some others have. I used to spend like idk, 10 minutes to get all of my stuff done when I started out, less then a year. Now it's a multi-hour thing. But there's nothing stopping us from making a relevant feature request on the forums, explaining how we want these repair mechanics to change. [12-Nov-24 09:51 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 And most importantly... why they need to change. [12-Nov-24 09:51 AM] jcheung#0000 Old hats have different problems from newbies [12-Nov-24 09:52 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Prun is a time-dependent game. You'll get that hat in like 100-200 days or so. [12-Nov-24 09:52 AM] laaxus#0000 My opinion is the following : I play this game because it requires little time a day Therefore The higher is making decisions time / executing decisions time, the better [12-Nov-24 09:53 AM] laaxus#0000 I like this game because I make decisions [12-Nov-24 09:53 AM] laaxus#0000 not because I click 100 buttons to execute those decisions [12-Nov-24 09:54 AM] laaxus#0000 There are games where pressing buttons is part of the fun SC2 the piano I don't believe PrUn to be one of them [12-Nov-24 10:00 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Well lets see. Prun is basically an idler, that requires you to input actions and make decisions. Per jc's issues, it shouldn't be a a time-zone warfare thing, that other MMOs definitely have. Besides the idea to make base repairs a consumable type of thing, there is potentially another idea.... * Make it scalable --- So I only have xBBH, xBDE, xBSE........, on a base.. But not enough to repair fully... Can we update the BRA buffer, so that we can make partial repairs? [12-Nov-24 10:01 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ... Mmm, yeah that's not going to work at all, with their current implementation.... Oooph. [12-Nov-24 10:10 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Oh, yeah I think I might have found an immediate feature pitch to the repair issue... Just add a few 0's to the production outputs of any fabs/construction materials, and then divide their MAT t/m3 metrics by that same base 10 figure, and edit everyone's CX/INV entries by the same multiple and divide their prices by the same multiple, and all other linkages or whatnot. Degradation/repair estimates are actually fractional (look to current MCG figures, because it's easily evidenced, due to higher #s), but since current fab figures are basically in the single digits, this results in discrete cut-off points for repairs, due to ratios and funky math. [12-Nov-24 10:11 AM] jcheung#0000 It's not fractional, it's ceiling [12-Nov-24 10:11 AM] jcheung#0000 Any unused is voided [12-Nov-24 10:12 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's cuz they round up. So you need 1.1 ABHs to repair, but they only come in single digit increments, so it's 2 ABHs to repair fully. [12-Nov-24 10:15 AM] jcheung#0000 Aka, ceiling [12-Nov-24 10:16 AM] jcheung#0000 Not fractional [12-Nov-24 10:16 AM] jcheung#0000 Fractional would leave you with .9 ABH [12-Nov-24 10:23 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Mmm, yeah. It'll still result in the same problem. There should still be enough ideas dropped here recently, for us to start pushing in a maintenance update regarding repair/depreciation mechanics, on the **forums**. [12-Nov-24 01:01 PM] tanda#0000 I completely missed this spike again Sunday {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1305970842949124096/Screenshot_20241112_110117_Chrome.jpg?ex=681516a0&is=6813c520&hm=070ac5523cfccbbcc1469c625443e638384bf9df448531e460c2885a14534593& [12-Nov-24 01:10 PM] moke.#0000 Wasn't me again this time {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [12-Nov-24 01:10 PM] jcheung#0000 Sus [12-Nov-24 01:11 PM] moke.#0000 I'm invested in new bases and bought new ships, no money to fool around with [12-Nov-24 01:12 PM] tanda#0000 To be fair i never thought it was you [12-Nov-24 01:12 PM] moke.#0000 I just had to clarify before others asked [12-Nov-24 01:13 PM] marat_sh#0000 every time you say it's not you this time... I think you did something and nobody have noticed it yet ๐Ÿ˜… {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [12-Nov-24 01:17 PM] moke.#0000 I can neither confirm nor deny {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [12-Nov-24 05:24 PM] finestone#0000 I would rather we just make a repair consumable that can be made from all build Mats and higher tier buildings just consume said upkeep consumable faster. [12-Nov-24 05:34 PM] finestone#0000 Example: for New Building or existing PPP/BMP 1 of each BMAT = 10 Building Upkeep Supplies 1 of each LMAT= 40 UPK 1 of each RMAT= 150 UPK (Optional) additional TRU/PSL recipes to decrease time etc. EXT uses 1 UPK/day/week AML uses 30 UPK/day/week etc. (Ratios were just an example and done quickly do not hate on the ratios) [12-Nov-24 05:49 PM] jvaler#0000 this kinda interferes with the intended tech tree-like progression of the game {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [13-Nov-24 12:19 AM] realharvey#0000 It also reduces Fab cosumption [13-Nov-24 02:38 AM] evov#0000 I'm not sure I actually understand the issues people have with current repair mechanics. Do people feel like the cognitive load is too high? - I feel like repairs are lower cognitive load than workforce consumables. Do people not like the crossover points... i.e. feeling like if they miss a breakpoint of 45/60/90 days they're somehow losing out on a massive amount of profit? - Of the people concerned about this, have you actually looked at the cost per item produced difference between each of those repair intervals? Have you looked at how that compares to the cost of lost production efficiency? [13-Nov-24 05:01 AM] jcheung#0000 Really, you feel they're lower? Huh. [13-Nov-24 05:03 AM] jcheung#0000 My thoughts is that to find and track the breakpoints is needlessly complicated [13-Nov-24 05:03 AM] jcheung#0000 If you're early on the repair, you waste materials [13-Nov-24 05:04 AM] jcheung#0000 In fact, as far as i can tell, you almost never have everything in perfect alignment [13-Nov-24 05:05 AM] jcheung#0000 Plus once you start losing efficiency, your cogm starts to slowly creep up [13-Nov-24 05:08 AM] jcheung#0000 If i had a factory line irl, i would have parts be purchased and maintenance be ongoing preventatively, not all in one go every specific period [13-Nov-24 05:09 AM] evov#0000 100% the cognitive load on repairs is lower. The game has a built in tool to tell you how many of what item you need if repairing today/tomorrow/day after. [13-Nov-24 05:09 AM] jcheung#0000 And then i also wouldn't waste materials rellacing perfectly good parts either [13-Nov-24 05:09 AM] jcheung#0000 But that ingame tool is very broad [13-Nov-24 05:10 AM] jcheung#0000 The day after i repair it's going to give me an amount [13-Nov-24 05:10 AM] jcheung#0000 If i just blindly follow that, and repair every day, it's going to be super expensive [13-Nov-24 05:11 AM] laaxus#0000 Repair should be a consumption [13-Nov-24 05:11 AM] evov#0000 Ok, so I'd break it down into 2 parts. 1. When should you repair. 2. After you've decided 1. - the process of repairing. The in game tool handles #2 great imo. I think people's main issue is #1 - uncertainty about WHEN to repair. [13-Nov-24 05:11 AM] laaxus#0000 And automatic [13-Nov-24 05:12 AM] laaxus#0000 #2 is way too cumbersome [13-Nov-24 05:12 AM] laaxus#0000 Give me a repair-all button [13-Nov-24 05:12 AM] jcheung#0000 "Alright boss, this new motor can run for 5000 hours before needing to be replaced" The next day "You want me to replace the motor that has 4936 hours left on it? You got it boss" [13-Nov-24 05:13 AM] evov#0000 The in game tool does have a repair all button. [13-Nov-24 05:13 AM] laaxus#0000 Am I missing a feature ? [13-Nov-24 05:14 AM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1306215553345781791/repairall.jpg?ex=6814a908&is=68135788&hm=b674d4acc055c187e047c1f551532716189952551684b2e9808236ea37252e7d& [13-Nov-24 05:14 AM] evov#0000 When you have the required materials in your base, the button lights up [13-Nov-24 05:14 AM] evov#0000 you hit it [13-Nov-24 05:14 AM] evov#0000 and... tadaaa all repaired. [13-Nov-24 05:14 AM] laaxus#0000 WTF [13-Nov-24 05:15 AM] laaxus#0000 Where has this been [13-Nov-24 05:15 AM] laaxus#0000 Ok yeah it changes things [13-Nov-24 05:15 AM] evov#0000 hiding in the tab that's labled - "Use this before giving the dev's advice on how to change their game" [13-Nov-24 05:16 AM] jcheung#0000 I use it. [13-Nov-24 05:16 AM] jcheung#0000 My complaint still stands [13-Nov-24 05:17 AM] evov#0000 I'm still trying to understand the core issue you're concerned about. Is it the .... chunky.. nature of the repairs? You'd like it if they were smoother? [13-Nov-24 05:28 AM] jcheung#0000 Yes. Less waste, simpler for people to do intuitively. For consumables i can go "i maintain this stockpile target." For repairs, if i don't have third party tools and knowledge, i would have to know that repair costs round up to the next whole, and any extra is wasted, (the following two parts are not the parts that annoys me as this work has already been done, but it applies to anyone who doesn't have access to third party tools) i then have to record the cost of repairs each day over a long period, say 100 or 200 days, then calculate the cost breakpoints and productivity losses to get a handful of specific dates where repair would cost the least. Then i have to be online and active on one of those specific dates, and if i miss it because i forgot about it, well, have to wait for the next period which is usually a month away. I can't schedule maintenance so that it takes automatically on that date chosen I can't nist have a stockpile for my maintenance personnel to work out of No, i have to be present for the repair and it has to be initiated by me, at the time of repair start, and any excesses are wasted [13-Nov-24 05:29 AM] jcheung#0000 There's a few different ways that i would be satisfied with it [13-Nov-24 05:29 AM] jcheung#0000 Among which would be allowing me to pre-queue the repair days or weeks in advance [13-Nov-24 05:30 AM] evov#0000 Ok I think I understand your perspective a bit better. It's about the fact that there's a "therotical optimal" time to repair, and you feel like you're being punished by doing it wrong. And doing it wrong is very easy to do because there's a lot of hoops to jump through to figure out what the optimal is... and then further hoops to jump through to put that optimal plan into action? [13-Nov-24 05:30 AM] jcheung#0000 In short, yes [13-Nov-24 05:31 AM] jcheung#0000 Plus if you were to make the repair costs more passive, you can introduce breakdowns which randomly degrade lines a point or two [13-Nov-24 05:32 AM] evov#0000 I think it's mis-placed anxiety. I don't think the difference between getting it perfect, vs getting it wrong, is as big as people are concerned that it is. Give me an example of one of your planets - The planet, a bui you have there, something you produce out of it etc. And I'll print out the production cost differences that different repair timings have on it if you like. [13-Nov-24 05:33 AM] evov#0000 The tldr of it - I suspect - is that low tier goods built on high teir planets (TSH/HSE etc) will be punished a bit. Everything else won't be much of a concern. [13-Nov-24 05:38 AM] jcheung#0000 Sure, idk, let's do... SME on deimos doing AL with 5 experts and... idk what i have off the top of my head that's on a red [13-Nov-24 05:38 AM] jcheung#0000 Not digging through mobile prun to find out [13-Nov-24 05:40 AM] jcheung#0000 Idk, wpl astraeus [13-Nov-24 05:40 AM] evov#0000 At 90 day repair cycles ( Important thing to look at is the Production cost / unit ) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1306222124494622720/image.png?ex=6814af26&is=68135da6&hm=505655c435d3a4e18487773216aa2dd4e8c1f6ac0f64ca5dfb92308656c39c7f& [13-Nov-24 05:40 AM] evov#0000 vs... a random point between 60 and 90 days? 72 days? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1306222248796885003/image.png?ex=6814af44&is=68135dc4&hm=b23413f9546fdcffcacd58a98473a48fcdfe1e110aa8ff0b61c3a6ff35636d6b& [13-Nov-24 05:41 AM] evov#0000 Where you buy your inputs or consumables plays a much much bigger role than when you repair I find. [13-Nov-24 05:42 AM] jcheung#0000 A 4.5% increase in daily operating costs, and this is a cheap planet [13-Nov-24 05:42 AM] evov#0000 584 -> 590 = 4.5%? [13-Nov-24 05:43 AM] jcheung#0000 Looking at daily run cost [13-Nov-24 05:43 AM] evov#0000 Yea, it changes. But when you look at production cost per unit - it's very minor. And that's really the metric that matters. [13-Nov-24 05:44 AM] evov#0000 And it matters far less then a lot of other things that go completely under the radar for most people. [13-Nov-24 05:45 AM] evov#0000 If you're producing t1 goods on high tier planets .... yea, it makes a meaningful difference I think. TSH is painful like that. [13-Nov-24 05:45 AM] jcheung#0000 What does it look like at 65 days [13-Nov-24 05:46 AM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1306223560884486145/image.png?ex=6814b07d&is=68135efd&hm=09b94e733986ff7723e4c248d5eb8b8f9952bd57c6e31239494e7b6326df17d1& [13-Nov-24 05:46 AM] evov#0000 The difference of where you buy your rats/dw .... plays the biggest role I think. [13-Nov-24 05:48 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 So, Day #2 of repair planning discussions, wonderful. [13-Nov-24 05:50 AM] evov#0000 Better is better... and there IS an optimal choice for most things.... I just think the distance between doing it right, and doing it wrong... probably isn't worth stressing over. [13-Nov-24 05:51 AM] jcheung#0000 What about 83 days, one week window [13-Nov-24 05:51 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Ugh, I guess I'll have to pull out that one screen shot that I have tucked away somewhere. [13-Nov-24 05:51 AM] evov#0000 Not really sure what "one week window" is... but, 83 days for AL {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1306225040429420595/image.png?ex=6814b1de&is=6813605e&hm=07144821666c898c18fd39f6e3bff0293df16116a038df4782d64790b080f545& [13-Nov-24 05:51 AM] jcheung#0000 You really don't [13-Nov-24 05:53 AM] jcheung#0000 How about missing it, 92d [13-Nov-24 05:53 AM] evov#0000 Full disclosure - I'm not modeling the drop in efficiency that happens as your repair cycle gets longer. So in reality - the shorter cycles will be better than what I'm showing. [13-Nov-24 05:53 AM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1306225444533698590/image.png?ex=6814b23e&is=681360be&hm=fe2ba6d46533c1fb0ddb22f06a7fbf479413d09915d99fbc668618ef337bc8a2& [13-Nov-24 05:54 AM] jcheung#0000 I did notice that [13-Nov-24 05:55 AM] evov#0000 Realistically - on a planet like deimos - the difference in production cost for goods with different (or even random) repair timings ... falls within the range of differences of planetary production fee's that exist. Or the difference of buying DW through bids vs asks. [13-Nov-24 05:57 AM] jcheung#0000 So if we were to swap to percentages which might more easily translate to more expensive structures and look only at repair costs, repairing at 7 days early goes from 160 > 172, or 8.75% increase in repair cost for being early... Being late increases it by 38.75% Okay, i guess i can live with opening up the repair window slightly. Still the whole rest of my complainst stand. I still have to meet a fairly narrow window without any base game tools to aid me with long term success [13-Nov-24 05:59 AM] evov#0000 Yea, unfortunately as far as base game tools go - this is the best I have to offer - Last repair - 11 days ago {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1306226939308281869/image.png?ex=6814b3a2&is=68136222&hm=ce9d88084b27317df883d1bd79a6bc848858c197a488bb7edf40f5b028328f35& [13-Nov-24 06:00 AM] jcheung#0000 Oh shit i spent too much time kn the toilet talking to you. Late for work [13-Nov-24 06:00 AM] evov#0000 For me, I do load up (at the moment) 60 days of consumables each time I repair, so noticing my consumable stacks get low is kind of a trigger. It's also pretty easy to add a schedule to a sheet to track when you've got a repair comming due. [13-Nov-24 06:00 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1306227295593168967/image0.gif?ex=6814b3f7&is=68136277&hm=802b889dce8133b45f16d3c8ad290022735fb71037913dac45744b452b6493a3& [13-Nov-24 06:01 AM] evov#0000 wipe! [13-Nov-24 06:10 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I suppose that I don't have to drop screenies, but this one I've dropped before on UFO. When I was going through my own growth pains, I just chose to do a top-down approach, modelling for simplicity, and pure retention of daily production realities on my bases. I looked into the publicly posted functions... I could have chosen 90 day repairs, or 30 day repairs, but for the buildings that I predominantly use, a 45 day repair period was chosen since the building MAT ratios basically fit the bill that I was looking for. In keeping with that, I have retained a 99.6% efficiency with say Prunplanner metrics, and my weekly I/O requirements are basically unaffected. If I kept to say 90 day repairs, I'd have a 96% efficiency, losing 3.5 days out of every 90, and I would definitely notice the I/O stuff when I got close to say 70 days from last repairs. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1306229648677535815/this.png?ex=6814b628&is=681364a8&hm=cdfd51466afad034df496e998e80e880f24fee44288c3a5965c8ebb92c52cf7c& [13-Nov-24 06:13 AM] evov#0000 I used to use 90 day repair cycles for everything because it was less strain on logistics... and ships are expensive. I'm less concerned with shipping constraints now.... so I do 60 days. [13-Nov-24 06:18 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I suppose JC will just have to run his own utility cost metrics, for the things that **matter** to them, in the long term. Else he/she will just be tearing all the hair out of their scalp, on a weekly basis, trying to min/max everything with determined game metrics, and RL schedules. [13-Nov-24 06:22 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Hmm, why did I pop in... Ah yes... @_sashkaa your https://prunstats.com/ is dead. ๐Ÿ˜ญ I was wanting to see if current / total player #s could be yoinked from FIO, but ohh well. A topic for another day! [13-Nov-24 06:24 AM] _sashkaa#0000 waaaah it lives [13-Nov-24 06:24 AM] _sashkaa#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1306233277920706600/image.png?ex=6814b98a&is=6813680a&hm=cb70ecf93c5a1b7a5bd4d3fb01fec722c1eb2fcb8041f8d787e4d22dd178ba15& [13-Nov-24 06:25 AM] jvaler#0000 oh i didn't realize you were in this sever :o [13-Nov-24 06:25 AM] jvaler#0000 i like your tool cause it's the only one that lets you search for companies by bases owned {Reactions} โค๏ธ [13-Nov-24 06:25 AM] jvaler#0000 useful for vote-~~begging~~ *campaigning* =P [13-Nov-24 06:32 AM] _sashkaa#0000 that just made my day ๐Ÿ˜ [13-Nov-24 06:32 AM] _sashkaa#0000 what else would you like to see in prunstats? [13-Nov-24 06:35 AM] laaxus#0000 Remove inactive players [13-Nov-24 06:36 AM] laaxus#0000 On the player stat screen, a summary of what this person has produced (basically lead) [13-Nov-24 06:39 AM] _sashkaa#0000 ah getting **lead **data is kinda haaard but i did have somewhat of a solution for it [13-Nov-24 06:39 AM] _sashkaa#0000 the concept of a plan if you will {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [13-Nov-24 06:40 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ~~Probably some parsing to cull the inactive/deleted accounts, if there are any ^^...~~ ~~LEAD integration of some sort ^^...~~ But eventually, historical MAT.CX orders. If they're in a time series, you'll get to see who's doing what with anything on the markets, and you'll get very nice depth charts that show you how things are changing... Maybe a 2d waveform. I'd prefer a 3d waveform. In game Prun is good on the overall stats, but not on the player behavior.... Something visually like this: https://youtu.be/Mfylm-k8v7U?t=135 {Embed} Hyperion Synth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfylm-k8v7U&start=135 Wavesequences and the 3D waveform viewer More info at : https://www.hyperionsynth.com/ https://www.tracktion.com/products/hyperion https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/0JSge9lS_4ZI-AW-c5YDcsgtjtVAR-pFOboN62lNwAo/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/Mfylm-k8v7U/sddefault.jpg [13-Nov-24 06:41 AM] _sashkaa#0000 https://tenor.com/view/point-krugerstown-jetstream-sam-gif-25268620 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/point-krugerstown-jetstream-sam-gif-25268620 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/17t0xl4GLS6JjE7rXlU93qi_wuxlfUffQl6fSVIfTmU/https/media.tenor.com/QfiDIauQLScAAAAe/point-krugerstown.png [13-Nov-24 06:45 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yes, I've seen it happen before... People setting their market orders with very discrete price points. Price updates between them, and their immediate competitors (of scale, not in price), and everyone else is simply ignored. But it was a private server, and yeah I lost the credentials... It's probably on piece of paper somewhere in the house. Ohh well. [13-Nov-24 07:00 AM] tanda#0000 how easily can CONS be read? you could pull from that [13-Nov-24 10:05 AM] laaxus#0000 I would recommend taking a look at https://discordapp.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1292871586705051729 @tyrandia [13-Nov-24 10:05 AM] tyrandia#0000 Okay! [13-Nov-24 10:06 AM] laaxus#0000 You don't need to check everything [13-Nov-24 10:06 AM] laaxus#0000 but PrunPlanner is a given [13-Nov-24 10:06 AM] jcheung#0000 Cont'd https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183247926995189790/1306288689609048207 Chemistry and manufacturing shipping isn't terribly bad depending on what you're making either [13-Nov-24 10:08 AM] tyrandia#0000 Gotcha. [13-Nov-24 10:10 AM] jcheung#0000 As a side note, some of the shipping problems will lighten up when you upgrade your ships [13-Nov-24 10:11 AM] jcheung#0000 Common upgrade path is to take starters and upgrade to WCB (3000t, 1000m^3) [13-Nov-24 10:11 AM] tyrandia#0000 Makes sense. [13-Nov-24 10:11 AM] jcheung#0000 Which is between two and six times more stuff moved per shipload [13-Nov-24 10:12 AM] jcheung#0000 We're trying to spin up an upgrade program here, projected costs around a million (give or take a bit) per ship [13-Nov-24 10:12 AM] laaxus#0000 I'd recommend taking a look at https://discordapp.com/channels/855488309802172469/1202242406494244924 Which is basically every deal corps in the universe offer (take a special look at shipbuilders, lowstrife bank and Schaitr starter ship offer) [13-Nov-24 10:13 AM] jcheung#0000 Up in MOR there's also another guy that does upgrade kits too [13-Nov-24 10:13 AM] jcheung#0000 Which is similarly priced [13-Nov-24 10:13 AM] jcheung#0000 (The aforementioned Schaiter) [13-Nov-24 10:21 AM] realharvey#0000 And always feel free to ask for suggestions or help. There's probably people that can help you out when you are in a pinch [13-Nov-24 10:56 AM] archielvahr#0000 Prices shift around occasionally, but here's a guide with some starter ideas I recommend: https://oogcapitalmanagement.com/posts/starting-in-antares/ You'll want to make up the bases in prunplanner and check the current profits before deciding. {Embed} https://oogcapitalmanagement.com/posts/starting-in-antares/ Getting started in Antares | OOG Capital Management There are many ways to get started in Prosperous Universe that are better than a farming start on Promitor. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Jw5IlSb5BRt7j0UDJvzcEW0k5594goy1W-OzriAf_vs/https/oogcapitalmanagement.com/images/huge-hab-narrow.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [13-Nov-24 11:54 AM] laaxus#0000 mmm my pro license is expiring [13-Nov-24 11:54 AM] laaxus#0000 it might be the time to buy a supporter package [13-Nov-24 12:36 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Support the devs... They recommend you support them too! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1306326754343780403/Screenshot_from_2024-11-13_05-24-13.png?ex=68151098&is=6813bf18&hm=5ead253229952eacf805163e3f5026b9a5299ca8d6d53f4c93ab5e3e1dac4040& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [13-Nov-24 12:36 PM] tanda#0000 Time to name a planet? [13-Nov-24 12:38 PM] realharvey#0000 Bober2 {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [13-Nov-24 12:39 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 yeah, pick something good if you want. What's it at, planet rights are 59 EUR, system rights are 299 EUR, and new commodity right are at 649 EUR. [13-Nov-24 12:39 PM] tanda#0000 My.personal plans are for Wu-### Tang {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [13-Nov-24 01:06 PM] laaxus#0000 Time to name a system {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1306334397745856522/image.png?ex=681517b6&is=6813c636&hm=1f234cd484fb057238116bb7569e050517492af197bb9e4a2424de9328c43290& [13-Nov-24 01:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Galaxy ๐Ÿ˜ฑ๐Ÿ‘€ [13-Nov-24 01:07 PM] laaxus#0000 that's less than 1โ‚ฌ/day for pro [13-Nov-24 01:07 PM] laaxus#0000 ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [13-Nov-24 01:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Fair [13-Nov-24 01:08 PM] tanda#0000 Ooh, do you know which one? [13-Nov-24 01:09 PM] laaxus#0000 absolutely not [13-Nov-24 01:09 PM] laaxus#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ญ [13-Nov-24 01:09 PM] tanda#0000 You got a planet to name at that tier too [13-Nov-24 01:09 PM] laaxus#0000 Will probably be ki-840c [13-Nov-24 01:10 PM] laaxus#0000 What are systems that are named currently ? [13-Nov-24 01:14 PM] tanda#0000 Anything that isn't like Zv-759 or similar. So many of the core ANT systems are named [13-Nov-24 01:15 PM] laaxus#0000 2 people paid to name Antares III and Antares IV [13-Nov-24 01:15 PM] laaxus#0000 and there's this chad guy that decide to name it ancetares [13-Nov-24 01:18 PM] moke.#0000 Antares V, but over by Moria {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [13-Nov-24 01:19 PM] laaxus#0000 NOW THIS IS AN IDEA [13-Nov-24 01:22 PM] laaxus#0000 I might wait the gateway update before expanding antares territory [13-Nov-24 01:23 PM] tanda#0000 If I got to name another system it would be Ls-231 [13-Nov-24 01:23 PM] laaxus#0000 but DW-739 is one jump away from moria ๐Ÿง [13-Nov-24 01:24 PM] laaxus#0000 Remember the ai building a new outpost inside your territory in stellaris ? [13-Nov-24 01:24 PM] laaxus#0000 that's gonna be me [13-Nov-24 01:26 PM] jvaler#0000 antares V already exists, that's griffonstone [13-Nov-24 01:26 PM] moke.#0000 Antares VI it is [13-Nov-24 01:27 PM] moke.#0000 Or Antares W if you really wanna rub it in [13-Nov-24 01:28 PM] getonthetrain#0000 West Antares? lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [13-Nov-24 01:32 PM] finestone#0000 New Antares V [13-Nov-24 01:32 PM] realharvey#0000 Real Antares V {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [13-Nov-24 01:33 PM] razenpok#0000 Antares uWu {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [13-Nov-24 01:33 PM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/uwu-cat-piano-music-tiles-tapping-gif-16391139 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/uwu-cat-piano-music-tiles-tapping-gif-16391139 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/8V7ZaY0m7-VKwtZu2pBIRxLrEEGQ0k6cvYr77QPvavY/https/media.tenor.com/7FmzekCozzYAAAAe/uwu-cat.png {Reactions} maxwell [13-Nov-24 03:27 PM] archielvahr#0000 Name KW-688 (etherwind) to "North Antares" ๐Ÿ˜† [13-Nov-24 03:28 PM] archielvahr#0000 Or Malahat's system, you have governmental approval to name that North Antares [13-Nov-24 03:29 PM] archielvahr#0000 wow there's like nothing named around Moria or Hortus, how sad for those regions [13-Nov-24 03:31 PM] realharvey#0000 I named Curie and Krupp in Hortus [13-Nov-24 03:32 PM] igfloz#0000 ooh, I think I have the ability to name a planet... I should look into that [13-Nov-24 03:35 PM] moke.#0000 Would be a shame if those got claimed for the glory of Antares [13-Nov-24 03:45 PM] jvaler#0000 i vote for antares VI in honor of australis [13-Nov-24 03:46 PM] jvaler#0000 it should probably be either norwick or nascent's system [14-Nov-24 10:29 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ก [14-Nov-24 10:30 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ๐Ÿ˜† it's literally a Castilo-Ito starter option, I would cry ๐Ÿ˜ [14-Nov-24 10:30 AM] archielvahr#0000 Hahaha, I didn't know that [14-Nov-24 10:31 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Yeah it was one of the later added ones, it's not even technically in CI space, it's weird [14-Nov-24 10:32 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Yes its non faction space [14-Nov-24 10:32 AM] jcheung#0000 Clearly CI don't want it [14-Nov-24 10:32 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Its my HQ, I like it being non faction [14-Nov-24 10:32 AM] archielvahr#0000 So really it should be an ANT starter option [14-Nov-24 10:33 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 I will stop fuel shipments to ANT >:( [14-Nov-24 10:33 AM] jcheung#0000 Were you SF or FF? [14-Nov-24 10:33 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 SF [14-Nov-24 10:33 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 But FF too very soon [14-Nov-24 10:33 AM] jcheung#0000 I would personally be fine then ๐Ÿ˜œ [14-Nov-24 10:34 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Well the FF prices are screwed across the galaxy anyway [14-Nov-24 10:34 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 SF prices are fixable [14-Nov-24 10:34 AM] jcheung#0000 Yeah :/ [14-Nov-24 10:34 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 I am just holding on to it [14-Nov-24 10:35 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 I should fix ANT prices [14-Nov-24 10:35 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Try to* [14-Nov-24 10:35 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 The volume is too high to manipulate alone [14-Nov-24 10:38 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I can help ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ I'll push it with you, we can try to step prices down a bit [14-Nov-24 10:39 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Okay! I will also move fuel from BEN so that BEN doesnt crash, since your order got filled [14-Nov-24 10:39 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Will only help ANT go down faster [14-Nov-24 10:42 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Yeah I've been posting so many shipping ads, lol. Should be a good 100k headed there right now. I've got 100k sell already posted and 100k more sitting ready ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ let's aim for 16 for now [14-Nov-24 10:46 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Will you be moving most of your BEN SF? Wont that crash the market lol [14-Nov-24 11:51 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I governed RC-040d before the politics update and it changed the tax currency to AIC, people didn't like that ๐Ÿ˜† but I support this takeover, lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [14-Nov-24 11:52 AM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah it was AIC when I was governor too, so it's swapped a few times ๐Ÿ˜„ [14-Nov-24 11:56 AM] tanda#0000 I want it to be AIC again {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [14-Nov-24 11:56 AM] tanda#0000 Not MOR currency ever, that's for sure [14-Nov-24 11:57 AM] realharvey#0000 take back the power! [14-Nov-24 11:57 AM] realharvey#0000 Annex the planet again! [14-Nov-24 11:58 AM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/love-ladygaga-gaga-antares-gif-9240997153517767040 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/love-ladygaga-gaga-antares-gif-9240997153517767040 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/9s2epWi7WGIYWy6QT9p3YoLmzY5dW8JKSA8X8RbOzeo/https/media.tenor.com/gD6d80HSiYAAAAAe/love-ladygaga.png [14-Nov-24 11:58 AM] archielvahr#0000 Oh I mean, we have the planet. We just can't change the currency yet. The devs said eventually there will be a motion for it. But it's in the "eventually" list [14-Nov-24 11:59 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 How did the currency change? [14-Nov-24 12:00 PM] realharvey#0000 Maybe I should have considered that first before starting a rally [14-Nov-24 12:00 PM] archielvahr#0000 Before the politics update, the currency was based on the currency of the govenor's corp. [14-Nov-24 12:00 PM] archielvahr#0000 After the update, the currency was just the one that was closest, in number of jumps to a faction system. [14-Nov-24 12:01 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 ooo [14-Nov-24 12:12 PM] realharvey#0000 Hey @frentic did you ask for permission to advertise another Discord like that without any additional information? [14-Nov-24 12:13 PM] frentic#0000 aaaa sorry thought it was a sharing channel. [14-Nov-24 12:13 PM] frentic#0000 removed. [14-Nov-24 12:13 PM] realharvey#0000 It's a ressource channel that is moderated by jvaler. Didn't even know others would be able to post there [14-Nov-24 12:14 PM] frentic#0000 at least now you know ๐Ÿ˜› [14-Nov-24 12:19 PM] archielvahr#0000 Meanwhile, I heard @laaxus has a system naming right, and this convo is occurring: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1306684997679452230/image.png?ex=68150cbc&is=6813bb3c&hm=ace453e3e1e23ac0725b59b0793ee5763943791e2582d30e0f1303f1aa38b84d& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (4) [14-Nov-24 12:19 PM] archielvahr#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [14-Nov-24 12:20 PM] jcheung#0000 quick laaxus, do it for the memes [14-Nov-24 12:20 PM] igfloz#0000 ROFL ! and put a Kevin in there too ๐Ÿ˜› [14-Nov-24 12:21 PM] laaxus#0000 ๐Ÿง [14-Nov-24 12:23 PM] laaxus#0000 1๏ธโƒฃ New Antares 2๏ธโƒฃ North Antares 3๏ธโƒฃ Antares VI {Reactions} 1๏ธโƒฃ (6) 2๏ธโƒฃ (7) 3๏ธโƒฃ (2) [14-Nov-24 12:25 PM] jcheung#0000 if you end up doing Antares VI, next to it needs an Antares IX [14-Nov-24 12:25 PM] jcheung#0000 preferably to the right [14-Nov-24 12:30 PM] laaxus#0000 ah, a tie [14-Nov-24 12:30 PM] laaxus#0000 I will chose then [14-Nov-24 12:30 PM] laaxus#0000 unless someone vote in the next min [14-Nov-24 12:31 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I feel Antares VI should be somewhere in the core systems [14-Nov-24 12:32 PM] pxlfox.#0000 My opinion [14-Nov-24 12:33 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1306688419140730930/image.png?ex=68150fec&is=6813be6c&hm=0b97e69f06ba674927d5764260b556d739d381c0b0b7dc121be74dd2f2f469ce& [14-Nov-24 12:33 PM] laaxus#0000 Ladies and Gentlemen [14-Nov-24 12:33 PM] laaxus#0000 We did it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ (5) ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [14-Nov-24 12:33 PM] igfloz#0000 ohsheet !!! [14-Nov-24 12:53 PM] moke.#0000 Still think we should have an Antares system out by Moria just to fuck with them [14-Nov-24 12:53 PM] laaxus#0000 There's an unnamed system one jump away from moria cx [14-Nov-24 12:54 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Goddammit! ๐Ÿ˜ with much love and respect for for all of you and for Antares... this is war ๐Ÿ˜ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1306693777850765382/image0.jpg?ex=681514e9&is=6813c369&hm=76fdbeee626b3670cee62749075488b62b4caec3c9b2beb2ad10834fc9db33f6& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [14-Nov-24 12:55 PM] jcheung#0000 new north antares [14-Nov-24 12:55 PM] realharvey#0000 How will that "War" look like? Swiping credit cards for more naming rights? ๐Ÿ˜‚ [14-Nov-24 12:55 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 It's literally a Castilo-Ito starter planet... [14-Nov-24 12:55 PM] moke.#0000 Alas, I lack the ability to name a system [14-Nov-24 12:55 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Probably more planet/system naming [14-Nov-24 12:55 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bTB9G.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-gif-25608698 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/hUXhkOsD63uE2Yq-XizJvljBlE0RgJSVYR2ZwMGu0OY/https/media.tenor.com/4CkZPb_1hwQAAAAe/evil-laugh.png [14-Nov-24 12:56 PM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-10687007590642998367 Prun Devs be like {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-10687007590642998367 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/N2GuJzZA9FG-_Ksd-cdxLmxQ5JUqPZ_-1rpFKtLkM6s/https/media.tenor.com/lE_gyBAt3F8AAAAe/money.png [14-Nov-24 12:56 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Naming the Norwick system or something Beneleven [14-Nov-24 12:56 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Lol [14-Nov-24 12:57 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'm poor though, I'm already out of this fight, lol [14-Nov-24 12:57 PM] laaxus#0000 Just because you don't value your territory doesn't mean I don't [14-Nov-24 12:58 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 https://tenor.com/view/superman-ohnoyoudidnt-sassy-gif-5026692 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/superman-ohnoyoudidnt-sassy-gif-5026692 oh no you didn't https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Y3IOXrs6LuY6eTWisQ7MtEqY_MQM5r1dZWszE2MEWP8/https/media.tenor.com/FOAcI-REvEMAAAAe/superman-ohnoyoudidnt.png [14-Nov-24 12:58 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 https://tenor.com/view/jack-black-red-dead-redemption-thems-fighting-words-cowboy-thems-gif-10895348733206288815 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/jack-black-red-dead-redemption-thems-fighting-words-cowboy-thems-gif-10895348733206288815 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/bAfMuzwK7zYX9NNYNBEds0afRTXrQg-RLHsEmdax0Cg/https/media.tenor.com/lzQN8mLDWa8AAAAe/jack-black-red-dead-redemption.png [14-Nov-24 12:58 PM] laaxus#0000 me buying Ben territory on discount {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1306694889160966255/images.jpg?ex=681515f2&is=6813c472&hm=8531e0a0f9f79dda30343b00516e193b289bdf83d320abff94385f1ccb9f7373& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) ๐Ÿ˜ (2) [14-Nov-24 12:59 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Just you wait until I dig up enough pennies in my couch to name a system [14-Nov-24 01:00 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'm just gonna name every Antares planet Boberr (adding 'r's each time) [14-Nov-24 01:00 PM] laaxus#0000 do it, no balls [14-Nov-24 01:00 PM] laaxus#0000 (it'd be the funiest thing ever) [14-Nov-24 01:01 PM] moke.#0000 would be hilarious [14-Nov-24 01:18 PM] jcheung#0000 one random one will be `beaver` {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [14-Nov-24 01:39 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 yall are out of control. We'll see who the BEST region is in the end... [14-Nov-24 02:12 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm hesitating so hard for the planet name [14-Nov-24 02:12 PM] tanda#0000 Can two planets be named the same thing? [14-Nov-24 02:13 PM] laaxus#0000 I won't name it bober [14-Nov-24 02:13 PM] laaxus#0000 but probably not, as you can do PLI [14-Nov-24 02:13 PM] laaxus#0000 it wouldn't work if there were 2 possibility [14-Nov-24 02:14 PM] laaxus#0000 Is there a list of named planet ? Just to be sure I'm not too close of something already existing [14-Nov-24 02:21 PM] laaxus#0000 BTW, can the AGP now fund bases in etherwind ? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ ๐Ÿ˜‚ (4) [14-Nov-24 02:27 PM] realharvey#0000 thats a pmmg and not default feature [14-Nov-24 02:29 PM] laaxus#0000 based pmmg [14-Nov-24 02:35 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 if you just do PLI with no argument, it opens the planet search bar, and you can search names in that without PMMG. IDK if that would be an issue though because the names and ids both show up in that search... [14-Nov-24 02:36 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 hmmm... new strategy: name everything Antares and get you guys to fund our growth ๐Ÿ˜† {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [14-Nov-24 02:36 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 pushing for a gateway on Antares VII: Pyrgos [14-Nov-24 02:40 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Noooo [14-Nov-24 02:40 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I'll send all fuel to Moria [14-Nov-24 02:40 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 >:( [14-Nov-24 02:40 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 lol [14-Nov-24 02:41 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 oh that means I am now eligible for AGP [14-Nov-24 02:41 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 just ignore my 10 bases [14-Nov-24 02:41 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Can you rename an already named system or nah? [14-Nov-24 02:42 PM] laaxus#0000 nope [14-Nov-24 02:42 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 thats sad [14-Nov-24 02:42 PM] archielvahr#0000 As proven by the fact there's a planet named "Elon" [14-Nov-24 02:42 PM] archielvahr#0000 they should have a even higher tier where you can un-name a planet ๐Ÿ˜„ [14-Nov-24 02:42 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 rename* [14-Nov-24 02:43 PM] realharvey#0000 that would definitly save pruns cashflow ๐Ÿ˜‚ [14-Nov-24 02:54 PM] laaxus#0000 Hello ! I need your opinion on possible names for a planet https://forms.gle/ivprCeuRfAcvG6Gg7 {Embed} https://forms.gle/ivprCeuRfAcvG6Gg7 Opinion on [REDACTED] possible new name (this is not binding, I won't chose the most popular one) https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/GqZE7M1JxKra7iZQ6qVFsEvZcqIT15JSrSe0bmGJ5cI/https/lh3.googleusercontent.com/zh-pqvj52BJsX5fIp4qYhQ1w3QhhzqrjJVP70oJL0nBWr4UYZ9N2XnfXdr_j73_mTSWWlMl-OMc%3Dw1200-h630-p [14-Nov-24 03:03 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 By any chance, you chose sanskrit/hindi words? [14-Nov-24 03:04 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Ishhara and Jyeshtha are `signal` and `elder` in hindi / sanskrit [14-Nov-24 03:04 PM] laaxus#0000 it was one of the source of inspiration yes [14-Nov-24 03:05 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 oh i see [14-Nov-24 03:08 PM] laaxus#0000 I looked up how ancient culture named Antares It was an interesting read [14-Nov-24 03:08 PM] laaxus#0000 I would have added Arcadia in the list of choices if it was a fertile planet [14-Nov-24 03:09 PM] tanda#0000 I'm fond of Enki just because it's easy to spell [14-Nov-24 03:09 PM] tanda#0000 *Looks at Hephaestus and Astraeus* [14-Nov-24 03:14 PM] realharvey#0000 I always misspell Agamemnon [14-Nov-24 03:16 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 what planet are you naming [14-Nov-24 03:17 PM] laaxus#0000 "Following the Antarean tradition of giving long and hard to spell name to their planet, I decided to name [X] Nebuchadnezzar, I hope you'll love it" [14-Nov-24 03:17 PM] laaxus#0000 I won't say it, just in case a ben user name it Boberr before me [14-Nov-24 03:18 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 https://tenor.com/view/wheel-of-fortune-wheel-wof-game-show-vanna-gif-21752198 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/wheel-of-fortune-wheel-wof-game-show-vanna-gif-21752198 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/fBq7aDuBDu5xyt5k0FCNZ36sZ7S4lVKGOcfAs_w9JjQ/https/media.tenor.com/j2ojMjE6OsIAAAAe/wheel-of-fortune-wheel.png [14-Nov-24 03:32 PM] realharvey#0000 I hate you a little [14-Nov-24 03:45 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 We are Antares. We uphold to the Greek tradition, foretold and tendered by our ancestors. Antares is not where we are, but who we are. It's never established anywhere, yet it always hold a place in every Antarean's heart. Be bold; Be brave. Seek to support your fellow Antarean, and promote our common cause!..... But if you're going to adapt the naming tradition of Antares (Greek), into a Mesopotamian one... Do you want us to start sounding like that garbled Black Speech from LotR? It's incredibly similar, linguistically (this is a proper joke, btw...) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MZrWrSf6VM {Embed} Akatoph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MZrWrSf6VM The Ring Verse (In Black Speech) The complete Ring Poem in Black Speech of Mordor. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Vlb27LVOm-9DaYVjrd-c3FlqlvZZUPHIr8i61r76Nig/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/1MZrWrSf6VM/hqdefault.jpg [14-Nov-24 08:34 PM] tanda#0000 Tempted {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1306809457333764127/image.png?ex=6814d7e5&is=68138665&hm=ad76136ef686067af45dfcb873924c04868ae7d9db4b2dcddd8514b7f7392185& [14-Nov-24 08:39 PM] jvaler#0000 oh god [14-Nov-24 08:39 PM] jvaler#0000 will antares-castillo relations ever recover? [14-Nov-24 08:39 PM] tanda#0000 ADI seems to have some rogue elements, lol [14-Nov-24 08:40 PM] jvaler#0000 ADI does not condone this... [14-Nov-24 08:41 PM] jvaler#0000 cause now *our* systems are at higher risk of incursion [14-Nov-24 08:41 PM] tanda#0000 I suppose we owe some blood: Next system up for naming in ANT space should be New Bentares [14-Nov-24 08:42 PM] jvaler#0000 bober and elon were bad enough from within [14-Nov-24 08:43 PM] jvaler#0000 or if we spend a thousand dollars we can name everything important antares VI though X before they get a chance to {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” ๐Ÿ’ฏ [14-Nov-24 08:45 PM] tanda#0000 We have a really high number of named systems already, lol [14-Nov-24 09:33 PM] razenpok#0000 We need a reverse AGP, where we get money from people, and it's actually irl money [14-Nov-24 09:36 PM] tanda#0000 hmm [14-Nov-24 09:36 PM] tanda#0000 cashapp, gofundme, lotsa options [14-Nov-24 09:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Only fans feet pics [14-Nov-24 09:38 PM] tanda#0000 https://www.catster.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/cat-paws_JumpStory.jpg.webp {Embed} https://www.catster.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/cat-paws_JumpStory.jpg.webp https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/jBWeIsN9QvNWtVBo_T5GJylL4ifM3fgi7gVXAjD2vYE/https/www.catster.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/cat-paws_JumpStory.jpg.webp {Reactions} Tasty [15-Nov-24 05:46 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bMnDd.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-stewie-griffin-red-face-angry-mad-gif-23884573 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/iizbp46QF6TLlXH0i0OY4-G99RarYev90J0VOxbN1io/https/media.tenor.com/IZTPYadilF8AAAAe/family-guy-stewie-griffin.png [15-Nov-24 05:46 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1306948332731633694/image.png?ex=6814b07c&is=68135efc&hm=fceeb1834ef2a19e4e64b2bda3b13c3aa7834808351c9f09c4422ce5df6fbb27& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ (2) ๐Ÿซ‚ ๐Ÿซก ๐Ÿ’€ [15-Nov-24 08:40 AM] jvaler#0000 o_O {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1306992142912196648/image.png?ex=6814d949&is=681387c9&hm=0a4c36d3ec21c255b7fc0430d15702b36fadbdc368a9c30756e8088645231c71& {Reactions} kekw (4) [15-Nov-24 08:40 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 There goes ANT SF bid prices {Reactions} ๐Ÿฅณ [15-Nov-24 08:41 AM] jvaler#0000 i think i'mma just block them lmao. i don't want that kinda treatment on a lucrative 10k AIC 300m/t^3 ANT -> heph shipment {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [15-Nov-24 08:41 AM] jvaler#0000 wdym? looks pretty normal [15-Nov-24 08:41 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 I stopped myself from dumping more [15-Nov-24 08:42 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 I just reduced it by 1.5ish AIC ๐Ÿ™‚ [15-Nov-24 08:42 AM] jvaler#0000 ah [15-Nov-24 08:51 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 There, dumped more {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [15-Nov-24 08:52 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 And i got bought out [15-Nov-24 09:02 AM] tanda#0000 SOP for me is they get payment after delivery if they've never shipped for me before [15-Nov-24 09:02 AM] tanda#0000 Otherwise payment up front [15-Nov-24 09:08 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I look for familiar names from discord, and company age for unfamiliar names. I pay up front unless it's an unfamiliar company under a month old ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [15-Nov-24 09:56 AM] jvaler#0000 sorry that some other person has you out of 40k but you were holding 300k worth of RCO over 10k of payment... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1307011409577644082/image.png?ex=6814eb3b&is=681399bb&hm=7eb293121c50c38a0bcb82198cacc48591a4d524b6eed97f8cea07ac8fec4a5c& [15-Nov-24 10:01 AM] jvaler#0000 i always just pay whenever i'm first online to see the contract got accepted, so i expect others to do the same for pickup & delivery [15-Nov-24 10:05 AM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, Iโ€™d block them and move on [15-Nov-24 10:06 AM] jvaler#0000 cause if everyone got hung up about the order of fulfillment you'd get an infinite loop of "you pay first", "no you deliver first", "no you pay first", etc... [15-Nov-24 10:06 AM] sidepipe#0000 I feel like with contracts, why accept them if you donโ€™t trust the person? I always just pay on acceptance / when I see it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [15-Nov-24 10:06 AM] sidepipe#0000 And assume others do the same when I take their shipments [15-Nov-24 10:06 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Because trust is built over time, and i cant deal with just 2 people i know [15-Nov-24 10:07 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 I assume everyone is good until they arent [15-Nov-24 10:07 AM] sidepipe#0000 Thatโ€™s kinda what I mean though - assume the person who took your contract is operating in good faith [15-Nov-24 10:09 AM] sidepipe#0000 That is, you trust that theyโ€™re going to deliver on their obligations when you close the contract [15-Nov-24 10:11 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Yea thats what I do. If they fuck it up and dont even care to explain or apologise, even after I reminded them through messages, they get blocked. Not getting my business ever again [15-Nov-24 10:12 AM] sidepipe#0000 Only other person Iโ€™ve ever blocked is someone who gamed 5 shipping contracts with 5-day deadlines each to deliver them one by one over about 3 weeks {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ (2) [15-Nov-24 10:12 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You noobs. [15-Nov-24 10:13 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If I chatted with people on the in-game COMGs, or generally "know" of their user name, yeah I let them do their thing, lol. [15-Nov-24 10:13 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 of course... we're all on discord. [15-Nov-24 10:15 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Why? Correlations. Social birds tend to be affected by negative sentiment, so they usually have a high reliability if you communicate your needs, or concerns to them. [15-Nov-24 10:17 AM] sidepipe#0000 Sure, and that works great if you recognize the person. It just seems weird (to me) to hold someoneโ€™s shipment hostage because someone else burned you on payment. I feel like it sets the wrong tone for what is otherwise a perfectly normal business transaction [15-Nov-24 10:17 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yeah it does... They probably don't know that, since they haven't been told the usual "norms" of Prun. [15-Nov-24 10:18 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If they did... yeah block them. [15-Nov-24 10:18 AM] sidepipe#0000 Thatโ€™s true - Prun is a very norms-based group ๐Ÿ˜„ [15-Nov-24 10:18 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 new peeps generally figure that out, within 1-2 months of constant questions in APEX chat, or in planet comgs... [15-Nov-24 10:21 AM] sidepipe#0000 Okay, I changed my mind a little. Maybe thereโ€™s room here for a quick โ€œFYI, thatโ€™s generally seen as in bad taste for this gameโ€. Then block them if you want to? ๐Ÿ˜„ [15-Nov-24 10:22 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Can anyone participate in #trading? [15-Nov-24 10:22 AM] laaxus#0000 any member [15-Nov-24 10:22 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Who is a member exactly? [15-Nov-24 10:23 AM] sidepipe#0000 Anyone in ANT space ๐Ÿ™‚ [15-Nov-24 10:23 AM] laaxus#0000 if you have access to the channel you're a member [15-Nov-24 10:23 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Okay [15-Nov-24 10:23 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Ty! [15-Nov-24 10:24 AM] sidepipe#0000 Make sure to look through #internal-offers as well to see prices etc [15-Nov-24 10:24 AM] sidepipe#0000 I think a lot more gets sold than whatโ€™s listed there, but itโ€™ll give you an idea of who has what [15-Nov-24 10:26 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Hmm [15-Nov-24 03:36 PM] jcheung#0000 what the fuck? if it was 4m then maybe. 40k isn't worth making a fuss over [15-Nov-24 03:42 PM] jvaler#0000 i mean they're a ~1000d old company with only 2 bases, 40k is probably worth a lot more to them since they're... bad? idk [15-Nov-24 03:43 PM] jcheung#0000 3 years '_' [15-Nov-24 03:43 PM] jcheung#0000 *with* pro? [15-Nov-24 03:43 PM] jvaler#0000 yup [15-Nov-24 03:43 PM] jvaler#0000 reminds me of the cat lady [15-Nov-24 03:43 PM] jcheung#0000 they might as well find a nice bridge to utilize [15-Nov-24 03:43 PM] jcheung#0000 sorry, too much? [15-Nov-24 03:43 PM] jvaler#0000 i'd pay 2mil AIC to see this person's base setup [15-Nov-24 03:44 PM] jvaler#0000 uhh kinda mean yea [15-Nov-24 03:45 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm just impressed [15-Nov-24 03:45 PM] jcheung#0000 because i'm pretty sure that over 3 years as f2p without ever repairing buildings and using starter ships you could get to a point where 40k doesn't mean a whole lot [15-Nov-24 03:56 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 So we got details on that?.. 40k to a three year old, as a TRIAL... ~~so/so. They were trying to send a "message" and failed hard. [15-Nov-24 03:57 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 But they took the cont, so at least BASIC... Yeah don't do that people... [15-Nov-24 03:59 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 There's many entities that can help to boost your outlooks on PRUN... If you're trying to finagle others, who btw.... are rather active and are a staple #product in some form in the PRUN community... You're just doing something wrong... [15-Nov-24 04:02 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'm pretty sure that these little "incidents" will happen every now and then... And it'll be a hard sell on pirate reports via UFO, unless you actually get pirated... So I'd recommend trying to #flesh out the current ADI-member shipping network.. y_y we have a channel for that too.... [15-Nov-24 04:06 PM] jvaler#0000 it wasn't really ever intended for ADI to have a shipping *network* [15-Nov-24 04:06 PM] jvaler#0000 that's a lot of cont burden for little benefit imo [15-Nov-24 05:22 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Ye.. I tried to suggest somewhere this week... that current "interactivity" mechanics... loading up ships.. (getting reps done), getting conts fulfilled, dropping/purchasing regular CX orders... adds up when you get larger... and larger.. over time as a company (this is mathematically guaranteed per dev mechanics)... Becomes an absolute burden.... [15-Nov-24 05:24 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If you make a "mistake" well then it just adds to your own workflow... jcheung9941 may have something to add about that.... [15-Nov-24 05:28 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 But my point being?... If you're paying for addtional "perks", montly, yearly or whatever... And those "perks" just become a complete strain on your motivation, your dedication... your productivity, due to little #"BS" mechanics that don't really pertain to RL workflows with job/recreation/sleep/gaming... and only, and eventually become negative-feedback mechanisms (look it up if you don't know... on wikipedia....) Then it brings the whole #profit-based mechanic system into question.. Mind you, not only has the accounting system "in-game" been borked, but corp accounting, dividends, and whatever, have just been completely rolled over since the politics update.... [15-Nov-24 05:29 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I don't mind the banter, but if you're paying for the development/conitinuation of the game, IF not just its "development", then you should have a say in what actually gets done... with the game. [15-Nov-24 05:38 PM] jvaler#0000 i do wonder what the funding split is between players and the govt grants [15-Nov-24 05:38 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 But... When you have a whole "redirection" against QoL updates.. and towards an unspecified, and "targeted" agenda, being Gateways, and the overall out-flux of materials, and liquidity, from generally established, and growth-based economic models... Towards a long-term, unspecified, rather vague.... And per my own half-shod estimates, #haphazard investment schemes... It begs the #question in my book as to what the incentives actually are... [15-Nov-24 05:39 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 This is just a philosophical question, btw... nothing against any of y'all... [15-Nov-24 05:39 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 We're just playing by the book that's given to us... [15-Nov-24 05:39 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 But you still do have a voice... [15-Nov-24 05:40 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Meanwhile.. I'm prepping for an update war, on Foxhole... where those devs don't give a f### about economic metrics, and just want to balance their game, and make it better for everyone... [15-Nov-24 09:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean if the gov grants make up a larger portion then like yeah do what they want [15-Nov-24 09:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 They pay more [16-Nov-24 03:17 AM] imjoshuarice#0000 FYI: This morning's AI1 BMP product rates are down. Looks like EXO and OVE are in the red; PE, MCG and REP ROI's are up a fair bit. [16-Nov-24 05:21 AM] jvaler#0000 i haven't had a good commodity faction cont in months {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1307304559299006565/image.png?ex=6814aabf&is=6813593f&hm=a58853985383b41a105969ae0c75ada7d1d6e5c247dcd05d495811c54cee16bf& [16-Nov-24 05:21 AM] jvaler#0000 very nice [16-Nov-24 05:22 AM] imjoshuarice#0000 All mine are exploration or really obscure 19hr transport :C [16-Nov-24 05:26 AM] jvaler#0000 yup ๐Ÿ˜” [16-Nov-24 05:37 AM] laaxus#0000 I've disabled them KEKW [16-Nov-24 05:38 AM] jvaler#0000 faction rep heathen..... [16-Nov-24 05:38 AM] realharvey#0000 Looks like this is one of the few times where I agree with Laaxus [16-Nov-24 05:41 AM] jcheung#0000 i keep mine open [16-Nov-24 05:42 AM] jcheung#0000 extra 2k creds every couple days isn't terrible [16-Nov-24 05:42 AM] laaxus#0000 wdym few times ๐Ÿ˜  My takes are always right ! [16-Nov-24 05:42 AM] jcheung#0000 not if i'm facing you, then your right is my left [16-Nov-24 05:42 AM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‰ [16-Nov-24 05:53 AM] realharvey#0000 When discussing PRUN there are usually quite a few "right" approaches. And we usually take different ones. Which leads to me not agreeing a lot with you :D [16-Nov-24 05:55 AM] laaxus#0000 I see [17-Nov-24 10:41 PM] antisyntax#0000 I have finally passed 5M AIC Equity! {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (3) [17-Nov-24 10:43 PM] marat_sh#0000 it's only gonna go faster from there {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ (2) [18-Nov-24 02:30 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Jaysus, hadn't checked that in a while. 6mill. Lovely job. [18-Nov-24 02:31 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Sinking a lot of resources into putting a LCB on my ship. The CQM and the LFE's are more than the fucking LCB..... [18-Nov-24 02:31 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Looking forward to being able to do my own shipping again. [18-Nov-24 02:51 AM] evov#0000 Are you modifying a ship into a LCB ship? [18-Nov-24 02:51 AM] evov#0000 Or just building one from parts off the cx? [18-Nov-24 03:15 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Modifying with parts from the cx. [18-Nov-24 03:15 AM] cruelcoin#0000 I bought the LCB from you actually. [18-Nov-24 03:17 AM] evov#0000 I would - strongly - advise, don't modify your starting ships into LCB's. Modify them into WCB's (3k1k heavy). {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [18-Nov-24 03:18 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Mmm? [18-Nov-24 03:18 AM] laaxus#0000 you can upgrade your ship to WCB for 600k using Schaitr deal [18-Nov-24 03:19 AM] evov#0000 Ship upgrade path - in my opinion - 1. Convert 1 starter ship to WCB 2. Convert 2nd Starter ship to WCB 3. Start buying LCB's 4. Augment your fleet with more WCB's/VCB's as needed. All ships (again, in my opinion) - would look like this - {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1307998651569930290/image.png?ex=68148e2b&is=68133cab&hm=95aacfbe32a3621a0649826464407fea2a44b1f7a02e583a369418b941137cc4& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [18-Nov-24 03:21 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Yeah my thinking was that for my ration/water production, volume and mass are largely equal, so i benefit more from a LCB> That, and i'm now sunk cost, so i'm fairly committed, just need to ship it all to a shipyard now. Next one would definitely be a WCB for flexibility/cost [18-Nov-24 03:22 AM] laaxus#0000 Even tho you transport water, I would still recommend the WCB path [18-Nov-24 03:22 AM] evov#0000 There's reasonable debate over if you really need a Large FTL tank. Some debate over if you actually get much benefit out of the QCR over an RCT - but for the most part, if you're deviating from these ship designs .. you'll know exactly why you're doing it and for what specific purpose. [18-Nov-24 03:22 AM] laaxus#0000 just because it's cheaper [18-Nov-24 03:22 AM] laaxus#0000 LCB as a new player is a signficant investment [18-Nov-24 03:22 AM] laaxus#0000 that could be generating money as a base [18-Nov-24 03:22 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Tell me about it [18-Nov-24 03:23 AM] evov#0000 You'll also find it's cheaper if you buy a whole ship from a ship builder ( either myself of one of the others ). Buying the parts.. you end up paying more I think. [18-Nov-24 03:23 AM] cruelcoin#0000 In truth, i'd had a bottle of wine at that stage, and "fuggit, i'ma buy this LCB". "Wait, whaddya mean i need 2 LFE's and a CQM too?" [18-Nov-24 03:25 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1308000004270718987/image.png?ex=68148f6e&is=68133dee&hm=48d7afb2f31e47c99413725806d17d6d32abf41e7f2004f4daa831a52030a6df& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [18-Nov-24 03:25 AM] cruelcoin#0000 @evovDo you deliver to Antares/norwick/harmonia? If so, cost extra vs Hephastus? [18-Nov-24 03:26 AM] evov#0000 Yea... mostly because I cant be assed re-doing the contracts haha. I did offer supply at the ANT CX for 100k cheaper. But virtually everyone preffered delivery to Heph with full tanks. So that's the standard that I offer. [18-Nov-24 03:27 AM] evov#0000 Mostly because if people are buying a ship, their shipping capacity is limited. And it would take you 4 trips with a 500/500 to transport the parts to a shipyard. [18-Nov-24 03:29 AM] evov#0000 For reference - current ANT CX value of the fuel to fill the tanks is 94,400. So it really is just the best fitting option imo. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Nov-24 04:11 AM] laaxus#0000 When I was producing pe, I had to compete with people to sell it at 8 [19-Nov-24 04:11 AM] laaxus#0000 and now that I want to buy pe, I have to buy it at 11 ?? [19-Nov-24 04:11 AM] laaxus#0000 ๐Ÿ˜  [19-Nov-24 04:37 AM] evov#0000 That seems unfair! I don't think Antarean's should have to pay a lot more for their PE than the other "lesser" regions. Someone should definitely stand up for the region and rectify this injustice! [19-Nov-24 04:44 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm (mostly) joking, 10-11 is a fitting price with current C and H prices [19-Nov-24 04:45 AM] evov#0000 Joking? daamn, you coulda told me it was a joke before I went on an Antare's pride fueled shopping spree {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1308382717204758558/image.png?ex=6814a25c&is=681350dc&hm=ba6acbfad9ccaf99fc201373ac8d3ecc96332951506c50a560f8f334734d8c65& [19-Nov-24 04:46 AM] laaxus#0000 lmao [19-Nov-24 04:47 AM] evov#0000 On a . . . semi related note. If anyone wants to buy like 1.8mil PE, hit me up. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ (2) [19-Nov-24 05:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I would take some PE ๐Ÿ˜‰ [19-Nov-24 06:38 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ๐Ÿ˜Ž cheers ๐Ÿ˜† {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1308411031378333736/Screenshot_20241119_073303.jpg?ex=6814bcba&is=68136b3a&hm=e9527e3bf12341eede3312d8c4d0dc7fc7ef786ab228285389b1ccc8710e4a5e& [19-Nov-24 06:40 AM] tanda#0000 Well, we have some balance there at least {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1308411569465720832/image.png?ex=6814bd3b&is=68136bbb&hm=02b88cdb13d59f928feb56e74991c966e09b52872ba42a4cf98d62d84f144e9c& [19-Nov-24 07:52 AM] jcheung#0000 That's just life [19-Nov-24 07:58 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Come by at BEN, I've got plenty, lol [19-Nov-24 10:15 AM] laaxus#0000 For any new player, don't be like me, produce items that sell Having 33% of your equity sitting on the market is quite stressful lol [19-Nov-24 11:08 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I know it was mentioned somewhere, but I can't find it. How much do buildings degrade per day? E.g. I have `x` construction materials, that cost `y` - how much of it degrades per day? [19-Nov-24 11:09 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm finding formulas for building costs and efficiency, but not the daily degradation rate [19-Nov-24 11:16 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's an inverse logistic curve. Let me give you a picture with explanation and a link. [19-Nov-24 11:17 AM] pxlfox.#0000 isn't the degradtion linear? The efficency is not, but the repair costs should be, aren't them? [19-Nov-24 11:20 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Formulae: You can run the calculations on a single-column sheet, then run a difference between each to show you the delta between each day. No it's not linear. https://pct.fnar.net/building-degradation/index.html Degradation rates are a two step calculation. 1) Calculating the delta (difference) per day, which translates to a **ratio of days old**, from day established. 2) Those figures should give you good metrics on what you'd want to repair with, as repair costs are always whole numbers, and the repair BRAs always round up. Picture is over 180 days, after which your buildings just don't degrade. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1308481937660448879/this.png?ex=6814fec4&is=6813ad44&hm=0fcb1aa23b159713f000e91ba75add20d050f1aa98a0e1395a6ae8a13a4219af& {Embed} https://pct.fnar.net/building-degradation/index.html Building Degradation - PrUn Community Derived Information Condition Formula Condition = 0.67 / (1 + e^((1789/25000) * (DaysSinceLastRepair - C))) + 0.33 C is either 100.87 or 107.87. There is speculation that the additional 7 days for C is a bug as it happens inconsistently. Repair costs and reclaimables Repair cost is determined by: RepairCost = BuildingCost - ReclaimableCost ReclaimableCost is determ... [19-Nov-24 11:21 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Your condition % in your BBS buffer is not a "repair" value. It's a building productivity value, which gets plugged into your PROD queues, for daily cycles (efficiency). [19-Nov-24 11:22 AM] pxlfox.#0000 what's the green line representing in your diagram? [19-Nov-24 11:23 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Nothing? [19-Nov-24 11:29 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Take a look at MoonSugar's sheet. It's basically a step-by-step walk through of what I said. My stuff ain't straightforward, as it's an intuitive approach. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ELsfw4ii1hQFWDd-BL4JzwqHc-wGVXbJtvAeprv0pZ0/edit?gid=0#gid=0 We've got this recorded in #prun-resources [19-Nov-24 11:30 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I worked through the resources you linked above ^^ [19-Nov-24 11:32 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The repair costs (amount of materials needed to repair something) is *technically* linear, but since you can't repair 0.234 BBH (less then one), it "ticks" up, as the guide explains. I was looking for 1/180 (or ~0.0055555), which is the rate buildings degrade per day. [19-Nov-24 11:33 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Not to be confused with the efficency of the buildings, which is, as you mentioned above, not linear ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Nov-24 12:23 PM] pxlfox.#0000 As far as I see it, building repair costs are... neglectable. For the materials I checked them so far, they make less then 1% of the production costs [19-Nov-24 12:26 PM] marat_sh#0000 They sting when itโ€™s repair time {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ kekw [19-Nov-24 12:26 PM] marat_sh#0000 Like taxes ๐Ÿ’€ [19-Nov-24 12:26 PM] laaxus#0000 prun planner calculate with y/180 [19-Nov-24 12:27 PM] pxlfox.#0000 yep, me too, now ^^ [19-Nov-24 12:29 PM] pxlfox.#0000 actually, for AL, the repair costs make roughly 10% (on Deimos) [19-Nov-24 09:53 PM] roche3950#0000 https://open.spotify.com/track/1GxeU1WQZJ9YFzK2UGIiPz?si=a7b92aa301e84ed5 I've been posting this song around because I feel it captures the Prun vibe really well. I wonder what people think. [20-Nov-24 09:12 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Quick survey: Howโ€™s the trade route between Nascent and Deimos looking? Do you have ships there? Whatโ€™s the available capacity on them? Would help me a lot in planning out a next step ๐Ÿ™‚ [20-Nov-24 09:30 AM] tanda#0000 Generally any ships going to or from Nascent are stuffed to the gills with either combustibles or carbon {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™ [20-Nov-24 09:30 AM] tanda#0000 At least for me [20-Nov-24 09:51 AM] jvaler#0000 i'll send plenty of empty ships to nascent but never ever have one leaving empty {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™ (2) [20-Nov-24 09:51 AM] jvaler#0000 there's always ALO to be moved [20-Nov-24 09:56 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Thatโ€™s what I worried. I need stuff to be moved from nascent I donโ€™t have capacity for. But I feel there might be not many having capacity outbound from Nascent [20-Nov-24 10:05 AM] manhim#0000 Yeah, if I go to Nascent, it's to go out with a filled ship [20-Nov-24 10:05 AM] .urpalhal#0000 My ships go to nascent empty [20-Nov-24 10:05 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I only mine ALO there [20-Nov-24 10:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But usually I send my ship with a LCB as it fits more ALO than a WCB [20-Nov-24 10:13 AM] jvaler#0000 yup [20-Nov-24 10:14 AM] jvaler#0000 if i've got >= 1000 C to move i'll send an empty WCB, and if harmonia has >= 2000 units of agri to export i'll send an LCB ANT -> harmonia (pick up GRN/HCP) -> nascent (unload, pick up 1481 ALO) -> deimos/ANT [20-Nov-24 11:14 AM] marat_sh#0000 LCB works better if item less than 2t [20-Nov-24 11:15 AM] marat_sh#0000 but I think it's required CQM right? [20-Nov-24 11:18 AM] tanda#0000 It's more expensive, yeah [20-Nov-24 02:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [20-Nov-24 02:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I just swipe the credit card and it goes through {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜‚ [20-Nov-24 07:33 PM] tanda#0000 I think I left Thalassa too long {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1308968538832375828/Screenshot_2024-11-20_173304.png?ex=6814c9b3&is=68137833&hm=9a23df37d868d545772623dc1fea8f8b2d2be48bb2067a21a6c58c8c24890d2f& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1308968539062927500/Screenshot_2024-11-20_173310.png?ex=6814c9b3&is=68137833&hm=569d725daa65ed59c897fc30f2de34095b2b49045da9c691135777a00637c96e& [20-Nov-24 08:05 PM] roche3950#0000 does anyone have any water kicking around on Harmonia [20-Nov-24 08:06 PM] roche3950#0000 totally forgot to bring some and i'd be burning dead in one direction :( [20-Nov-24 08:07 PM] tanda#0000 How soon do you need it? Just dispatched a ship out there to land in 10 hours [20-Nov-24 08:08 PM] moke.#0000 I have some there now [20-Nov-24 08:08 PM] tanda#0000 If you have none at all, I have 250 on Harmonia I can spare right now [20-Nov-24 08:09 PM] roche3950#0000 Yeah I am literally dry [20-Nov-24 08:09 PM] roche3950#0000 lol [20-Nov-24 08:09 PM] moke.#0000 How much do you need? [20-Nov-24 08:10 PM] roche3950#0000 My base consumes 290 in 24h. Whatever you are willing to spare I am more than willing to pay ask for [20-Nov-24 08:10 PM] roche3950#0000 what I get for doing the shopping at work :D [20-Nov-24 08:12 PM] moke.#0000 cont sent [20-Nov-24 08:12 PM] roche3950#0000 what a LEGEND [20-Nov-24 08:12 PM] roche3950#0000 thanks [20-Nov-24 08:13 PM] moke.#0000 No problem [21-Nov-24 01:24 AM] pxlfox.#0000 how do I get those icons? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ [21-Nov-24 01:32 AM] realharvey#0000 Oh noes [21-Nov-24 01:50 AM] realharvey#0000 it's just a photoshop edit. Definitly nothing suspicious [21-Nov-24 01:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/pawn-stars-rick-harrison-i-definitely-want-them-want-want-them-gif-22858880 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/pawn-stars-rick-harrison-i-definitely-want-them-want-want-them-gif-22858880 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/YIIzM2ngwD-LOWVBlUxUSlvB9ioHgHIPz6STEfbO0Wk/https/media.tenor.com/f5Sw8X15okMAAAAe/pawn-stars-rick-harrison.png [21-Nov-24 01:56 AM] realharvey#0000 all I really want is some cute corgi gifs in my Prun screens. But there are some things that just wont happen {Reactions} actualchadthink [21-Nov-24 02:37 AM] pxlfox.#0000 *sad noises* [21-Nov-24 02:40 AM] pxlfox.#0000 let me guess - thats some custom build plugin, putting FontAwesome (or any other icon library) behind the materials? [21-Nov-24 02:41 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I like how PMMG does it... but after I noticed LST is just a donut, I couldn't anymore... [21-Nov-24 02:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Also, I feel like thatโ€™s something someone could arrange ๐Ÿ˜ [21-Nov-24 03:04 AM] realharvey#0000 Oh that would be a dream come true [21-Nov-24 04:21 AM] taiyibureau#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1309101444296605716/image.png?ex=68149cba&is=68134b3a&hm=78f6feb0d6d3db5cef327d540628624de73061519295e5e7262ca45738889a2a& [21-Nov-24 04:21 AM] taiyibureau#0000 ~~It's in PMMG~~ [21-Nov-24 04:22 AM] taiyibureau#0000 Need to F5 after changing it [21-Nov-24 04:26 AM] taiyibureau#0000 Nvm they are still a different icon set [21-Nov-24 04:30 AM] evov#0000 tldr -< New project I've been focusing on - Area 151 - has 3 planets currently open for new members. IA-151 B (Electronics), IA-151 D (Chemistry) and IA-151 E (Metallurgy ) If anyone's interested in joining onto these planets, hit me up. > - Area 151 - Open for recruitment - For the last month or two, most of my spare resources in the game have been dedicated towards getting this project off the ground, and I feel like the time has come to make it a bit more public and open it up for broader involvement from the Antare's (and potentially Hortus ) community. The goal of the project is to build up an industrial hub in a location well suited to the placement of future gateways. I've set up 5 planets ( IA-151 a/b/c/d/e ) with cogc's for Construction / Electronics / Manufacturing / Chemistry and Metallurgy. The intent with the project is to charge higher than normal taxes (mostly on the higher tier pops) and to use the combined tax base of all the planets in the project to fund the construction of gateways. The hope, is that having this mix of CoGC planets in the same system, less than a day's flight from ANT and less than a day's flight from HRT, will provide benefits in terms of logistics, potential collaboration and availability of higher teir pop, that exceeds the cost of the extra taxes. We have base establishment fee's on the planets, but it's not something we expect anyone to actually pay, they're just there to make sure that only people who are aligned with the broader goals of the project put bases down on the planets. It also allows us to better control the influx of population demand, so we can run immigration programs specifically for each person when they join to help reduce waiting time between joining and getting their population filled. At the moment, we have inactive Immigration programs ( and as a result an opening for a new base ) on the following planets. IA-151 B (Electronics) IA-151 D (Chemistry) IA-151 E (Metallurgy) If anyone's interested in joining Area 151, or if you have any questions, hit me up. [22-Nov-24 07:31 AM] tanda#0000 I forgot MCG [22-Nov-24 07:31 AM] tanda#0000 what is this post launch clarity [22-Nov-24 07:41 AM] jcheung#0000 I really wish that the first minute or five you could just turn the fuck around [22-Nov-24 07:49 AM] pxlfox.#0000 STOP THE F*CK ENGIN! [22-Nov-24 07:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 No, boss. Canโ€™t. This ship will explode immediately [22-Nov-24 08:38 AM] realharvey#0000 its the measure once cut twice approach. ๐Ÿ˜‚ [22-Nov-24 09:12 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1309537108054249627/Screenshot_20241122_101246_Reddit.jpg?ex=6814e0f8&is=68138f78&hm=38286f295c0076446ab8e6c64e9f2ef592c14023be17623f898432e50ff90774& [22-Nov-24 09:37 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m more of a measure 4 times, cut 3 times, get new material cause you cut too much, then cut a few more times again [22-Nov-24 09:38 AM] realharvey#0000 But you get the job done. Thats what counts at the end :D [22-Nov-24 09:38 AM] avalock#0000 exactly! [22-Nov-24 09:49 AM] roche3950#0000 :kekw: [22-Nov-24 01:46 PM] .shiva.#0000 as a heads up for anyone else that's looking to do HQ upgrades or w/e, `POW` market is very thin atm [22-Nov-24 01:47 PM] archielvahr#0000 I put some up on the CX. Looks like someone bought 700 POW recently ๐Ÿค” [22-Nov-24 01:47 PM] .shiva.#0000 I just bought out BEN lol [22-Nov-24 01:49 PM] archielvahr#0000 I do free POW/SP/BWS/BMF/AAR/COM/LOG/ADS for new people in OOG upgrading their HQs, so I usually have most of those in stock [22-Nov-24 01:49 PM] evov#0000 Yea.... that was probably me. I did put some back up at the time so I didn't leave it completely empty though. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ [22-Nov-24 01:50 PM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1309606873087082556/image.png?ex=68147931&is=681327b1&hm=c18c5857e7e982cb279992fa3e8d9a9eff67adde5a89d6967cc3046b3bec75f1& [22-Nov-24 01:53 PM] archielvahr#0000 alas my ECA time is booked on CBLs and RAG/FIR for gateway stuff [22-Nov-24 01:53 PM] .shiva.#0000 yeah, I kinda wonder if that's going on for everyone w/ ECAs [22-Nov-24 01:53 PM] .shiva.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1309607760219865148/image.png?ex=68147a05&is=68132885&hm=cdfcf5c0f02fefbb48eb74b4adf1393a3a083fefea1c33db31ca24e625bfd557& [22-Nov-24 01:53 PM] sidepipe#0000 hmm. giving me ideas for my next eletronics-adjacent base ๐Ÿ˜„ [22-Nov-24 01:54 PM] .shiva.#0000 for a bit, only NC1 had any available there after I'd bought out CI1 [22-Nov-24 01:55 PM] laaxus#0000 btw @archielvahr , did the new player take your CLR offer in the end ? [22-Nov-24 01:56 PM] evov#0000 Sure would come in handy if there was a system out there, friendly to high teir pops that had Electronics, Chemistry, Manufacturing and Metallurgy in the same system. A person could probably just print capacitor banks there if they were so inclined. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1309608509582737428/image.png?ex=68147ab8&is=68132938&hm=42a81a6e49fd1dbed06360e7713e02132a1b19823f139d691f84ebfcca8e791c& [22-Nov-24 01:58 PM] laaxus#0000 Phobos ? [22-Nov-24 01:59 PM] igfloz#0000 It's on the list for PSK production. Maybe there might be some overflow remaining - Not for me to decide, you could ask PSK leadership ๐Ÿ™‚ [22-Nov-24 02:00 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ญ I'm really hoping I have time to get back into the game soon cause I really like your idea and system setup. I'd be so down. [22-Nov-24 02:05 PM] archielvahr#0000 Nope, nothing specific was agreed to. There are a few regulars dumping into my CX posts though, so that's been working well [22-Nov-24 02:05 PM] laaxus#0000 do you have anything you're looking for ? [22-Nov-24 02:07 PM] archielvahr#0000 I actually just got an order for a ton of SNMs so now I need 2x LD, 1x SA, 1x NF.. Mostly short on SA actually. [22-Nov-24 02:07 PM] archielvahr#0000 I bumped up my SA and LD bids a little too [22-Nov-24 02:11 PM] laaxus#0000 I'll look into it [22-Nov-24 02:12 PM] laaxus#0000 I was selling half my production to pi, but he reduced its operations {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [22-Nov-24 02:22 PM] archielvahr#0000 If my orders run out, ping me, I probalby just forgot to make new ones ๐Ÿ˜„ [22-Nov-24 02:35 PM] laaxus#0000 how many SWF a week (or a month) do you need ? @archielvahr [22-Nov-24 02:37 PM] archielvahr#0000 I think ~500 a week [22-Nov-24 02:39 PM] laaxus#0000 Well I can produce you 3 weeks of supply in a day ๐Ÿ˜… [22-Nov-24 02:39 PM] laaxus#0000 I'll fill your order [22-Nov-24 05:00 PM] archielvahr#0000 Hehe okay cool [23-Nov-24 02:22 AM] astra1414#0000 reoccuring contracts added yet? [23-Nov-24 02:23 AM] tanda#0000 Nope! But they're doing this thing called gateways earlyish next year [23-Nov-24 02:24 AM] astra1414#0000 i'm assuming that means system buildings that reduce travel time between point a and b [23-Nov-24 02:27 AM] tanda#0000 Yeah, pretty much. A building that links planet A with planet B within a given parsec range. If you're curious, there's a good dump of information over at #agc-information [23-Nov-24 02:28 AM] astra1414#0000 looks promising [23-Nov-24 02:29 AM] laaxus#0000 The Price is not that promising [23-Nov-24 02:29 AM] tanda#0000 It does. It has inspired a lot of theory-crafting, politics, and in game projects so I think it's already been wildly successful [23-Nov-24 02:29 AM] laaxus#0000 But good news : I won't pay it [23-Nov-24 02:30 AM] tanda#0000 Yeah, the price tag is difficult, but it IS a megaproject [23-Nov-24 02:30 AM] tanda#0000 if it were smaller it wouldn't feel like one [23-Nov-24 02:30 AM] astra1414#0000 as long as the first one is in antares [23-Nov-24 02:30 AM] tanda#0000 It'll be a race between us and Moria but you can see how many people are interested [23-Nov-24 02:32 AM] astra1414#0000 either way a good step forward [23-Nov-24 02:36 AM] tanda#0000 It should be a fun few months after release. There's a lot of plans that will come to fruition, with some being on a slightly longer timeline like EvoV's 151 project [23-Nov-24 03:16 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1309809675172057108/image.png?ex=68148d51&is=68133bd1&hm=59172009a0efe18aea3b7afffee3fcb027646f9530838a35dec9257e2127dc36& [23-Nov-24 03:16 AM] laaxus#0000 uh [23-Nov-24 03:16 AM] tanda#0000 everyone stopped making it, lol [23-Nov-24 03:16 AM] tanda#0000 (including me) [23-Nov-24 03:23 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1309811658952282113/image.png?ex=68148f2a&is=68133daa&hm=841414006ae98648b09722701eacf159ea875e08d69d26b321a8489540ca46ae& [23-Nov-24 03:24 AM] tanda#0000 Love these new charts on PRUNplanner [23-Nov-24 03:26 AM] tanda#0000 These aren't really useful for obvious reasons {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1309812355311468635/image.png?ex=68148fd0&is=68133e50&hm=b2104b5bf5da6e78388f88ee8719028cae0a5c38b1cc3f1cbce19404301f0537& [23-Nov-24 03:28 AM] laaxus#0000 Well it seems I'll have to speedup my cl bases project [23-Nov-24 03:29 AM] tanda#0000 I would appreciate it, I run an EPO base and that CL market is looking rough [23-Nov-24 03:29 AM] tanda#0000 I actually had HAL import from BEN for me [23-Nov-24 03:31 AM] riseoffilth#0000 good thing i have a 3k stock [23-Nov-24 03:31 AM] tanda#0000 I still have 20 days of stock, thankfully [23-Nov-24 03:31 AM] riseoffilth#0000 well if you get wiggly, feel free to hit me up [23-Nov-24 03:31 AM] tanda#0000 Will do [23-Nov-24 03:32 AM] riseoffilth#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1309813711652782151/image.png?ex=68149114&is=68133f94&hm=e80e5be7cfe3d442b1978fdad339df938bf39822bee7d949d8ea0f3c25bd890a& [23-Nov-24 03:32 AM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/yeah-bwoi-grin-chef-gif-18525191 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/yeah-bwoi-grin-chef-gif-18525191 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/i44IBQS7-KAqQ_JytUnHQHreTcfyEt5nzP0i04h9HvU/https/media.tenor.com/n8DB4bmpduIAAAAe/yeah-bwoi-grin.png [23-Nov-24 07:35 AM] jvaler#0000 australis is back!!1! [23-Nov-24 09:48 AM] astra1414#0000 hi1!! [23-Nov-24 10:54 AM] avalock#0000 heyo @astra1414 [23-Nov-24 03:55 PM] roche3950#0000 :ablobwave: [23-Nov-24 06:38 PM] roche3950#0000 Saw this server was 1 boost from Level 2 -- hopefully this is useful :D [23-Nov-24 10:26 PM] tanda#0000 @earthforged I've gone ahead and given you the project associate role so you can see and talk in the majority of the server. Perhaps that will give you the information you need to make decisions on next steps [23-Nov-24 10:26 PM] tanda#0000 What are you looking to accomplish/specialize in? [23-Nov-24 11:10 PM] antisyntax#0000 I wonder if PRUN ever plans on allowing scripts to play the game? I love the idea of designing a script that will control my empire lol. I know you can pull data from the FIO API, so it's already half there, I think. I'm not that good at coding so I don't know the difficulties in allowing scripts to control a user's company, but I like the idea of automating selling and buying resources at certain price points, etc. [23-Nov-24 11:10 PM] antisyntax#0000 it sure would free up a lot of time being able to automate shipping and moving around resources lol [23-Nov-24 11:11 PM] tanda#0000 I honestly doubt it. For a game this niche, it is unlikely that they'll upgrade their servers much further. Even a couple basic trading scripts would likely be able to crash the server easily [23-Nov-24 11:11 PM] antisyntax#0000 you think? [23-Nov-24 11:11 PM] antisyntax#0000 Just from the increased activity, or...? [23-Nov-24 11:12 PM] tanda#0000 Just from the volume of demands such scripts would be able to pass to the server. We currently already have issues and memory leaks infrequently (we are in early access after all). But the devs already kinda took their stance on "nothing automated can pass commands to the server" [23-Nov-24 11:12 PM] antisyntax#0000 aww oaky [23-Nov-24 11:12 PM] tanda#0000 Which I really don't expect them to deviate much from (and yeah they can really bog down a server easily) [23-Nov-24 11:13 PM] antisyntax#0000 even if they restricted the amount of actions / calls per hour? [23-Nov-24 11:13 PM] tanda#0000 Nothing is stopping you from using a custom setup to pull data off the FIO API and abuse xit actions to minimize your contribution [23-Nov-24 11:13 PM] antisyntax#0000 XIT Actions? [23-Nov-24 11:13 PM] tanda#0000 you should see some of the excel sheets some of the old timers have [23-Nov-24 11:14 PM] antisyntax#0000 yeah i'm working on an spread sheet, but since its in Numbers (and not Excel or Sheets), i can't import live data, so i'm making a discord bot to pull price data so i can just easily look at the message and update the spreadsheet [23-Nov-24 11:14 PM] tanda#0000 PMMG has a command called "Xit Action" which is basically a script that can execute a series of moving/buying commands almost entirely. STill requires the user to hit the button to finish the action, though {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [23-Nov-24 11:14 PM] antisyntax#0000 also, i wish FIO worked on Safari ๐Ÿ˜ญ [23-Nov-24 11:15 PM] tanda#0000 I recommend using chrome and sheets [23-Nov-24 11:15 PM] tanda#0000 just do a clean install of chrome and use it just for PRUN [23-Nov-24 11:15 PM] antisyntax#0000 yeah... im kinda stubbon on using Safari though lol [23-Nov-24 11:15 PM] tanda#0000 (it's what I did) [23-Nov-24 11:15 PM] antisyntax#0000 i mean i used chrome when i had windows pc [23-Nov-24 11:15 PM] antisyntax#0000 but now im fully embracing apple, so i'm a safari user, even if i don't like it as much [23-Nov-24 11:16 PM] antisyntax#0000 its just easier with the implimentation, but that's getting off-topic [23-Nov-24 11:16 PM] antisyntax#0000 and can this be implimented into a Python script somehow? [23-Nov-24 11:16 PM] tanda#0000 Not sure? I'm pretty well out of the coding game by about a decade. All of it is starting to look like wizardry again [23-Nov-24 11:17 PM] antisyntax#0000 although honestly buying and moving items isn't the problem. its shipping things every day. I don't have that much time to play but every few days, so i like the idea of taking a week or two break and knowing that my shipments aren't getting backed up, since they need babied a lot more often than consumables [23-Nov-24 11:18 PM] antisyntax#0000 like i can buy a month of consumables and just do other stuff for a few weeks, but i need to constantly give shipping commands, since i only have two ships [23-Nov-24 11:18 PM] tanda#0000 As far as idle games go, this one is pretty not idle [23-Nov-24 11:18 PM] antisyntax#0000 or else i'll be suffering for weeks after, constantly shipping and hoping nothing gets too full/backed up [23-Nov-24 11:19 PM] antisyntax#0000 i mean i know its not an idle game, its just, the reason i took a few months off (and regretted it because everything decayed and i lost a LOT of equity), is because once you get more than 1-2 bases, things take a LOT of time and mental focus to manage [23-Nov-24 11:19 PM] antisyntax#0000 that's why i believe being able to automate some of the more tedious stuff will free me up to be able to worry about expansions [23-Nov-24 11:19 PM] tanda#0000 But yeah, xit actions is pretty targeted at those with multiple ships and 15+ bases who have to manage the mental overhead of figuring out *what* to ship during their play windows {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [23-Nov-24 11:20 PM] tanda#0000 If you like doing that kind of stuff, I highly recommend pulling together a sheet to manage shipping priorities and figuring out xit actions to get as minimized as possible {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [23-Nov-24 11:20 PM] tanda#0000 but it won't be automated any time soon [23-Nov-24 11:21 PM] antisyntax#0000 and honestly, right now i've got three bases and i barely have the ADHD-addled focus to minimally keep the pioneers happy and the aluminum flowing. [23-Nov-24 11:21 PM] antisyntax#0000 that sucks, but oh well. i can make a script that can make it straight forward on what to do [23-Nov-24 11:21 PM] earthforged#0000 Hello [23-Nov-24 11:21 PM] antisyntax#0000 howdy [23-Nov-24 11:21 PM] tanda#0000 Have you upgraded your ships yet? even going to 3kt/1km3 helps a LOT [23-Nov-24 11:21 PM] antisyntax#0000 they both are yes [23-Nov-24 11:21 PM] tanda#0000 at minimum doubles your shipping capacity [23-Nov-24 11:21 PM] antisyntax#0000 wcb's iirc [23-Nov-24 11:22 PM] antisyntax#0000 like if it was just AL, i could sit back and do a shipment every week or so [23-Nov-24 11:22 PM] antisyntax#0000 the problem is, besides spreading consumables across the bases, is moving resources across PROD lines [23-Nov-24 11:23 PM] antisyntax#0000 FRMs > INC & EXT > SMEs [23-Nov-24 11:23 PM] tanda#0000 What burn level are you running on Nascent? [23-Nov-24 11:23 PM] antisyntax#0000 burn... level? [23-Nov-24 11:23 PM] tanda#0000 oh, you're importing ALO off of Nascent too [23-Nov-24 11:23 PM] antisyntax#0000 yea [23-Nov-24 11:23 PM] finestone#0000 More storage makes life easier stock more. Sell stuff on your planet you produce [23-Nov-24 11:23 PM] tanda#0000 Not going to say it's the right way? But I religiously avoid transporting ALO [23-Nov-24 11:24 PM] antisyntax#0000 i mean i've got some STOs, and i'm selling the AL pretty much every day or two, its just constantly moving ships around the three bases [23-Nov-24 11:24 PM] tanda#0000 I source from the LM or from partners I know who already import. It cuts down my shipping a lot [23-Nov-24 11:24 PM] antisyntax#0000 that would be nice, but isn't ALO kinda expensive? [23-Nov-24 11:24 PM] finestone#0000 yeah Im just saying is there a way to make it so you dont have to move ships constanly? [23-Nov-24 11:24 PM] antisyntax#0000 maybe once my products stockpile enough i can start sending full ships [23-Nov-24 11:25 PM] finestone#0000 convience>effceiency sometimes it is a game afterall ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [23-Nov-24 11:25 PM] antisyntax#0000 but right now i was kinda backlogged on GRN & HCP, so i let harmonia run dry of consumables until i got more storage [23-Nov-24 11:25 PM] antisyntax#0000 and now i gotta build it back up since nascent is starting to run low for the INCs [23-Nov-24 11:25 PM] antisyntax#0000 but even so im moving ships around on a daily or bi-daily basis [23-Nov-24 11:25 PM] finestone#0000 I run 2-3 STO on all bases for this reason and buy all warehouse slots [23-Nov-24 11:25 PM] tanda#0000 so my Nascent base does nothing but (used to) run Single Burn GRN to C. It helps cut down that route so that you're only sending a ship to Harmonia> Nascent every 5 days rather than having to do that + Run another ship out to Nascent and back every two days for ALO pickup. [23-Nov-24 11:26 PM] astra1414#0000 at least it's not iron [23-Nov-24 11:26 PM] antisyntax#0000 if i need to, i rent warehouses, but they are 500 AIC / unit that i could be saving if needed [23-Nov-24 11:26 PM] antisyntax#0000 true, but i was actually thinking of expanding my EXT to another planet to add another resource [23-Nov-24 11:26 PM] tanda#0000 That nets 200 C a day and you only burn around 65(?) on a full SME permit [23-Nov-24 11:27 PM] antisyntax#0000 yeah luckily plants are pretty compact and light, so i can send them in bulk. Once i get some resources stocked up ill be fine [23-Nov-24 11:27 PM] antisyntax#0000 its just the fact that i took that few-month break and im still recovering almost 50 days later ๐Ÿคฃ [23-Nov-24 11:28 PM] finestone#0000 ahh this is real reason ๐Ÿ˜„ [23-Nov-24 11:28 PM] antisyntax#0000 honestly its taking so long because shipments take a long time lol [23-Nov-24 11:28 PM] antisyntax#0000 yeah yeah ๐Ÿคฃ [23-Nov-24 11:28 PM] tanda#0000 Feel free to reach out for logistics help too. A few shipping contracts and you'll be back to good {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [23-Nov-24 11:28 PM] tanda#0000 I use the LM on ANT regularly to help catch up on backed up planets. I couldn't do expansion waves without it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [23-Nov-24 11:28 PM] antisyntax#0000 sounds good. i did just send out my AI > Harmonia shipment without thinking of bringing repair materials, since my PROD lines are at like 34% right now [23-Nov-24 11:29 PM] antisyntax#0000 so i may hit you up on a shipment from ANT > Harmonia so i can get that back up to speed [23-Nov-24 11:29 PM] antisyntax#0000 do you have a ship going there any time soon? [23-Nov-24 11:29 PM] tanda#0000 I will probably not be sending a ship back out there in the next few days. I could probably offer a small shipment to Nascent in a couple days [23-Nov-24 11:30 PM] antisyntax#0000 also i missed out in calling my aluminum company "Sanchez Aluminum" ( you get brownie points if you get the "stellar" reference) ๐Ÿ˜› [23-Nov-24 11:30 PM] antisyntax#0000 ah. i do have my other ship at Deimos right now, so i could sent it to ant to pick up building supplies. My Deimos and Nascent have been repaired a few days/weeks ago, so they are at like 99% [23-Nov-24 11:31 PM] antisyntax#0000 please tell me you get the reference @tanda ๐Ÿ˜› [23-Nov-24 11:31 PM] tanda#0000 Rick Sanchez? [23-Nov-24 11:31 PM] antisyntax#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ข no [23-Nov-24 11:32 PM] antisyntax#0000 its from Andy Weir (Martian author)'s book Artemis [23-Nov-24 11:32 PM] antisyntax#0000 his book about the moon [23-Nov-24 11:33 PM] antisyntax#0000 anyways, let me see if i need a nascent run soon [23-Nov-24 11:33 PM] astra1414#0000 the :AL: must flow [23-Nov-24 11:33 PM] antisyntax#0000 they should've made :AL: give a by-product of oxygen [23-Nov-24 11:34 PM] antisyntax#0000 although it uses oxygen to make, so i guess it would cancel out [23-Nov-24 11:34 PM] antisyntax#0000 are there any production lines that have by-products? [23-Nov-24 11:35 PM] evov#0000 Advanced smelters do {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [23-Nov-24 11:35 PM] tanda#0000 CL/NA comes immediately to mind. Some of the AML recipes also give byproducts of O or SIO (and AL come to think of it) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [24-Nov-24 12:21 AM] antisyntax#0000 omg [24-Nov-24 12:21 AM] antisyntax#0000 i just spent the last almost hour trying to figure out why my monitor was so weird, how all the text on PRUN was bolded and blurry and just weird [24-Nov-24 12:21 AM] antisyntax#0000 turns out its a Safari issue [24-Nov-24 12:22 AM] antisyntax#0000 guess i *will* be playing PRUN on Chrome after all (sigh) [24-Nov-24 12:22 AM] antisyntax#0000 its still a little weird since Apple likes higher DPI than the monitor has, so the text is a bit hard to read, but i got it to where its somewhat readable, just may give me eye strain after a while [24-Nov-24 01:57 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Mozilla is better tho ๐Ÿ‘€ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [24-Nov-24 06:41 AM] antisyntax#0000 Idk. Iโ€™ll only be using chrome for PRUN and thatโ€™s it. Safari is much more power efficient. [25-Nov-24 06:56 AM] roche3950#0000 also, how is one declared a Full Memberโ„ข๏ธ of ADI? [25-Nov-24 07:07 AM] tanda#0000 We just gotta remember to assign you the project member role now that you have the ANT bases, lol. Let me do that [25-Nov-24 07:08 AM] tanda#0000 There is one more level, but it requires ~~a blood sacrifice~~ participation in one of the CULT projects towards the bottom of the channel list. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ—ก๏ธ ๐Ÿฉธ [25-Nov-24 07:16 AM] roche3950#0000 I did want to get involved in Project Kevin ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Nov-24 07:16 AM] roche3950#0000 Itโ€™d be prudent to invest in a BMP base anyway [25-Nov-24 07:40 AM] jcheung#0000 Have a base in ANT space [25-Nov-24 07:40 AM] jcheung#0000 Follow naming guidelines [25-Nov-24 07:40 AM] jcheung#0000 Introduce yourself [25-Nov-24 07:40 AM] jcheung#0000 That's it [25-Nov-24 08:06 AM] roche3950#0000 How about two with a third on the way ๐Ÿ˜ [25-Nov-24 08:07 AM] jcheung#0000 There's no member+ so... i guess you'll have to settle for just member [25-Nov-24 08:12 AM] roche3950#0000 hahaha [25-Nov-24 01:56 PM] finestone#0000 well shoot now i want there to be a member+ [25-Nov-24 01:57 PM] sidepipe#0000 that's basically a coordinator, right? ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Nov-24 01:57 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah, just doesn't show up in the member list cause all current coordinators are also staff {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [25-Nov-24 01:58 PM] jvaler#0000 tbh the role doesn't mean much now [25-Nov-24 02:06 PM] razenpok#0000 Purple > tomato [25-Nov-24 02:07 PM] jcheung#0000 What about purple tomatoes [25-Nov-24 02:08 PM] razenpok#0000 Works for me [25-Nov-24 02:09 PM] finestone#0000 https://tenor.com/view/purple-role-silence-silence-purple-role-gif-17734229981136172374 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/purple-role-silence-silence-purple-role-gif-17734229981136172374 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/JPVZ-_Ta6P_1ocLEOjIWWObHmKw1t3iQE-TA92mZ93c/https/media.tenor.com/9hykNTa0NVYAAAAe/purple-role-silence.png {Reactions} ban [25-Nov-24 02:30 PM] astra1414#0000 what would in theory be the difference between a project staff and a project coordinator? [25-Nov-24 02:31 PM] laaxus#0000 Salary [25-Nov-24 02:31 PM] laaxus#0000 But jvaler is broke so coordinator aren't paid yet [25-Nov-24 02:31 PM] igfloz#0000 wouldn't project staff just be project members ? [25-Nov-24 02:32 PM] astra1414#0000 "yet". volunteer positions, payment is in service [25-Nov-24 02:33 PM] astra1414#0000 service guarantees citizenship or something like that [25-Nov-24 02:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 We get paid in experience ๐Ÿ˜ [25-Nov-24 02:33 PM] astra1414#0000 + you get a new role colour [25-Nov-24 02:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I *paid* for my purple tomato {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [25-Nov-24 02:34 PM] sidepipe#0000 As I have mentioned many places before, I will go to great lengths for purely cosmetic role changes [25-Nov-24 02:35 PM] astra1414#0000 server boosters are some of the finest antares citizens we have [25-Nov-24 02:35 PM] astra1414#0000 not sure why they've turned pink but you know we don't discriminate [25-Nov-24 02:35 PM] astra1414#0000 must be new chemicals on harmonia [25-Nov-24 02:36 PM] tanda#0000 I *like* being pink, lol [25-Nov-24 02:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 All the ddt and ns I bathe in [25-Nov-24 02:37 PM] jvaler#0000 staff helps with the operations of the server, stuff like role management and posting to information/announcement channels coordinator is meant to mostly represent who runs/organizes co-op projects, like stuff under CULT or contributors to AGP. the idea is they get perms for co-op information channels, but i think the perms are all fucked up rn [25-Nov-24 02:39 PM] jvaler#0000 when making staff i just rolled over anyone who was coordinator into staff, as that was previously their effective role. so there's some staff that probably shouldn't be staff as they aren't quite as active in ADI [25-Nov-24 02:39 PM] jvaler#0000 but i'd feel bad de-roleing them, and it's not really hurting anybody so [25-Nov-24 02:40 PM] astra1414#0000 understandable [25-Nov-24 02:41 PM] astra1414#0000 the role colours look more uniform [25-Nov-24 02:41 PM] jvaler#0000 i did mess with them a bit... i kinda forgot what they used to be now lol [25-Nov-24 02:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 Coordinators used to be a bright yellow ๐ŸŸจ [25-Nov-24 02:42 PM] jvaler#0000 still is, it's just staff color takes precedence. if someone had coordinator but not staff they'd be yellow [25-Nov-24 02:42 PM] jvaler#0000 do you wanna be yellow? =P [25-Nov-24 02:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 For what itโ€™s worth, I think the orange-red is appropriately ominous ๐Ÿ˜Ž [25-Nov-24 02:43 PM] jvaler#0000 real [25-Nov-24 02:43 PM] sidepipe#0000 I mean, Iโ€™d never say no to a purely cosmetic role [25-Nov-24 02:43 PM] sidepipe#0000 But itโ€™s probably better that I stay this color - less confusing for everyone ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Nov-24 02:43 PM] astra1414#0000 so what im hearing is you are requesting a permanent sidemotion to coordinator for the role colour. [25-Nov-24 02:44 PM] astra1414#0000 antares smiles on you for your dedication to bright yellow [25-Nov-24 02:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Whatโ€™s the most friendly looking color? [25-Nov-24 02:44 PM] sidepipe#0000 Pink ^^ {Reactions} partyhehe [25-Nov-24 02:44 PM] jvaler#0000 ^ [25-Nov-24 02:44 PM] sidepipe#0000 Or a deep blue [25-Nov-24 02:45 PM] astra1414#0000 i was going to say the kevin role [25-Nov-24 02:45 PM] astra1414#0000 the least friendly looking colour clearly being project associate {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฟ (2) nookhaha (2) [25-Nov-24 02:46 PM] sidepipe#0000 We love all roles equally, but some are more equal than others [25-Nov-24 02:46 PM] jvaler#0000 that's the price you pay for not being an antarian {Reactions} antares_initiative (2) [25-Nov-24 02:46 PM] jvaler#0000 all it takes is a base in our sector to be orange ๐Ÿ˜Œ [25-Nov-24 02:47 PM] sidepipe#0000 Does etherwind count now that the system is named New Antares? [25-Nov-24 02:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes [25-Nov-24 02:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol [25-Nov-24 02:47 PM] astra1414#0000 antares is not merely a selection of systems, but an idea, a belief. anyone who has antares in their heart may be orange. [25-Nov-24 02:48 PM] jvaler#0000 for the sake of diplomacy i don't think ADI should recognize etherwind as our territory. laaxus is just a rogue agent [25-Nov-24 02:50 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm still mad about discord changing the profile layout to hide all the roles. it makes me forget the decorative ones even exist [25-Nov-24 02:50 PM] sidepipe#0000 Laaxus is dedicated to the cause, but maybe too dedicated ๐Ÿ˜ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [25-Nov-24 02:50 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1310709316990275615/a-little-confused-hes-got-the-spirit.png?ex=6814876c&is=681335ec&hm=cf1db01b756ae9ebf4d52e1cbce4da6f3bf4d5edf4520ecdebe9dc6f79d44944& [25-Nov-24 02:51 PM] astra1414#0000 who's laaxus? [25-Nov-24 02:51 PM] jvaler#0000 the one who named "new antares"... [25-Nov-24 02:51 PM] jvaler#0000 in castillo space ๐Ÿ˜ญ [25-Nov-24 02:51 PM] astra1414#0000 im not really sure how to take that [25-Nov-24 02:51 PM] astra1414#0000 on one hand, nice. on the other, new antares? what'd he mean by that [25-Nov-24 02:52 PM] moke.#0000 It's like New Amsterdam [25-Nov-24 02:52 PM] moke.#0000 A colony/enclave [25-Nov-24 02:52 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1310709710697267311/image.png?ex=681487ca&is=6813364a&hm=5cb15b11091544f9c344044189788877f69ece9062069b3f4689b61563011319& [25-Nov-24 02:52 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/friday-colonial-gif-25509620 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/friday-colonial-gif-25509620 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/efW_2ldV3pjV4pTc0qP58_enN9nwhU3_fsPg5UFWLIE/https/media.tenor.com/fnigIYGyt-0AAAAe/friday-colonial.png [25-Nov-24 02:52 PM] astra1414#0000 beautiful [25-Nov-24 02:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 hold on, i just realized something. Us antares folk are descended from martian terraformers according to the handbook [25-Nov-24 02:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 and earth was destroyed by a killer asteroid which is why it's not in the game (afaik) [25-Nov-24 02:56 PM] sidepipe#0000 but what happened to mars? [25-Nov-24 02:56 PM] astra1414#0000 id guess it depends entirely on how self-sufficient mars was before it all happened [25-Nov-24 02:57 PM] astra1414#0000 iirc it does state that although antares left for the new space early they got there last because of technological differences [25-Nov-24 02:57 PM] astra1414#0000 whether or not mars would've survived on its own if it had a significant technological difference i dont really know [25-Nov-24 02:58 PM] astra1414#0000 maybe it's still out there and if we unify the galaxy we get to go home or something, that'd be cool [25-Nov-24 02:59 PM] laaxus#0000 Castillo might not value their territory, but I do ! [25-Nov-24 02:59 PM] laaxus#0000 It's a fine addition to our collection [25-Nov-24 03:00 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1310711715591229583/image.png?ex=681489a8&is=68133828&hm=9383ad8f3e94762026a2201ecc5babae8decede6c81fdd95c8a978f843edc3de& [25-Nov-24 03:00 PM] jvaler#0000 it sounds like there's probably still people living there [25-Nov-24 03:00 PM] jvaler#0000 https://prosperousuniverse.com/history#politics-slide-3 [25-Nov-24 03:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 oh i see [25-Nov-24 03:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 but they're not Antares then [25-Nov-24 03:02 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah, the antares initiative was created as a splinter faction [25-Nov-24 03:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 nevermind, I don't care what happened to mars then ๐Ÿ˜› {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [25-Nov-24 03:02 PM] jvaler#0000 lmfaoo [25-Nov-24 03:04 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm sad we don't have this though. imagine a big CX as a centerpiece to the universe. it'd fit right in the middle of the hole we currently have {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1310712642280624158/image.png?ex=68148a85&is=68133905&hm=bb917435cf5aa63885a586e373d289c1f15c6725895ce22c9f6cdaaf6431c9fd& [25-Nov-24 03:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 same tbh [25-Nov-24 03:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 it's like if Visa decided to form a nation with all their credit card fees [25-Nov-24 03:05 PM] jvaler#0000 lolol [25-Nov-24 03:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 it'd be super cool if they were in the center and then every other CX was further away [25-Nov-24 03:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 good point for central gateways and convenient to funnel trade through [25-Nov-24 03:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 and I could finally complete my currency collection with some ECD [25-Nov-24 03:06 PM] jvaler#0000 and we'd have something resembling a universal currency [25-Nov-24 03:06 PM] jvaler#0000 aside from AIC obviously being the universal currency... [25-Nov-24 03:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 i'll be honest, I've been putting ever-increasing amounts of money in the FX for ECD [25-Nov-24 03:08 PM] sidepipe#0000 maybe someday one of the devs will take me up on it [25-Nov-24 03:09 PM] jvaler#0000 wait i didn't even know you could access that FX omg [25-Nov-24 03:09 PM] jvaler#0000 they aren't clickable from FX [25-Nov-24 03:09 PM] sidepipe#0000 current going rate is 1000 AIC : 1 ECD if anyone has some laying around [25-Nov-24 03:10 PM] sidepipe#0000 maybe I'll bump it up to 10,000 soon [25-Nov-24 03:10 PM] jvaler#0000 uhhhh that's 1,000,000 AIC : 1 ECD... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1310714340143403081/image.png?ex=68148c1a&is=68133a9a&hm=b4c1b24d0338d5e5f9005e727dc39b51cb4198277bdf975d01e3747247aebdc5& [25-Nov-24 03:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 nope, lots of 1k [25-Nov-24 03:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 1M : 1000 ECD [25-Nov-24 03:12 PM] astra1414#0000 selling commemorative antares noted 1 ECD coin for the numbers on your credit card {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [25-Nov-24 03:12 PM] jvaler#0000 no look at other FXs, price is per 1 currency, not for the whole listed amount {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1310714783028351057/image.png?ex=68148c84&is=68133b04&hm=a69089539e4221c29a2d9109e4bc4e4f48cd48b5ec5fa2f2baf89151eb109858& [25-Nov-24 03:13 PM] jvaler#0000 wait [25-Nov-24 03:13 PM] jvaler#0000 i misread the big omg [25-Nov-24 03:13 PM] sidepipe#0000 trust me - it takes the money out of your account when you place it [25-Nov-24 03:13 PM] jvaler#0000 it says 1,000 not 1,000,000 [25-Nov-24 03:13 PM] sidepipe#0000 I wish I had 1000M to throw around ๐Ÿ˜› [25-Nov-24 03:13 PM] jvaler#0000 stupid decimals... [25-Nov-24 03:15 PM] sidepipe#0000 it would have been reallty funny if it was 1B AIC tho [25-Nov-24 03:16 PM] sidepipe#0000 devs could give me 1k EDC in exchange for crippling debt [25-Nov-24 03:22 PM] sidepipe#0000 The ECD exchanges are also a very convenient way to save money for later if you have an amount you don't want to spend by accident [25-Nov-24 03:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The friendly bank is another good place to store money [25-Nov-24 03:26 PM] jvaler#0000 the bank closed ๐Ÿ˜” [25-Nov-24 03:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ‘€ [25-Nov-24 03:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s me guys {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฐ [25-Nov-24 03:28 PM] jvaler#0000 wait wut [25-Nov-24 03:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah friendly metals runs a bank [25-Nov-24 03:29 PM] jvaler#0000 since when? and what's the interest rate... =P [25-Nov-24 03:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Since always [25-Nov-24 03:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 We take peopleโ€™s money and hold onto it and give them saving accounts [25-Nov-24 03:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Quite modest [25-Nov-24 03:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 modest _and_ friendly [25-Nov-24 03:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Exactly [25-Nov-24 03:36 PM] jvaler#0000 -.- [25-Nov-24 03:36 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm suspicious now [25-Nov-24 03:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Your money is in good hands [25-Nov-24 03:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s mostly venture capital stuff [25-Nov-24 03:37 PM] jvaler#0000 so what's the interest rate? i'd wanna put down like 10mil [25-Nov-24 03:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Just like standard savings account interests [25-Nov-24 03:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You know [25-Nov-24 03:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 0.06% [25-Nov-24 03:38 PM] jvaler#0000 lmao [25-Nov-24 03:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 irl tho I think that is the interest rate my bank gives me ๐Ÿคฃ [25-Nov-24 03:39 PM] jvaler#0000 wait is that yearly? [25-Nov-24 03:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeap APY [25-Nov-24 03:39 PM] jvaler#0000 oh my god [25-Nov-24 03:39 PM] jcheung#0000 Hah [25-Nov-24 03:39 PM] sidepipe#0000 my savings account from my old bank pays me 0.02% APY [25-Nov-24 03:40 PM] sidepipe#0000 which is why they're my old bank ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Nov-24 03:40 PM] jcheung#0000 I wanna know where ylu bank [25-Nov-24 03:40 PM] jcheung#0000 I think i was getting close to that with a one year CD! [25-Nov-24 03:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol my cd I got was actually 5% [25-Nov-24 03:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Same bank (credit union actually) [25-Nov-24 03:41 PM] jvaler#0000 what's CD stand for? [25-Nov-24 03:41 PM] jcheung#0000 Certificate of deposit [25-Nov-24 03:41 PM] sidepipe#0000 certificate of deposit [25-Nov-24 03:41 PM] jcheung#0000 You owe me a soda [25-Nov-24 03:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 1 mug root beer coming up [25-Nov-24 03:42 PM] jvaler#0000 oh gotcha [25-Nov-24 03:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Basically fancy savings account where you canโ€™t remove the money until the term is up [25-Nov-24 03:42 PM] jcheung#0000 You deposit money for a fixed term, if you pull out early you lose the interest. If you keep in, you have a higher than standard interest rate [25-Nov-24 03:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 fwiw, you can get savings accounts at several places that are tied to the federal funds rate [25-Nov-24 03:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Some do allow you to add more money as you want (while the term is valid) [25-Nov-24 03:42 PM] jcheung#0000 Though I'll admit i (incorrectly) read this as 6% [25-Nov-24 03:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ‘€ [25-Nov-24 03:43 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah i think my parents used to have one of those [25-Nov-24 03:43 PM] jcheung#0000 I mean you can totally pull out early [25-Nov-24 03:43 PM] jcheung#0000 You just pay for it [25-Nov-24 03:43 PM] jvaler#0000 right [25-Nov-24 03:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I donโ€™t think Iโ€™d do good as a banker TBH [25-Nov-24 03:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m too friendly [25-Nov-24 03:47 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm a terrible banker [25-Nov-24 03:48 PM] jvaler#0000 people keep asking me for loans with ridiculously high interest rates and i keep talking them down to something more reasonable [25-Nov-24 03:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Hey I paid back my 2% (I think 2%) loan [25-Nov-24 03:48 PM] sidepipe#0000 seems prudent to me tbh [25-Nov-24 03:48 PM] sidepipe#0000 10% interest doesnt make you any money if it bankrupts your lendee [25-Nov-24 03:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Sorry sidepipe Iโ€™m broke canโ€™t pay back the loan โ˜ ๏ธ [25-Nov-24 03:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ‘€ [25-Nov-24 03:50 PM] jvaler#0000 well my bulletin post specifies 3%, but they ask for stuff like 8 week repayment on an interest style loan where they pay 33% of the loan in interest [25-Nov-24 03:50 PM] tanda#0000 Hey, it keeps the payments flat and that's really useful [25-Nov-24 03:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Brb gonna go find the old loan CONT [25-Nov-24 03:52 PM] jvaler#0000 more so it keeps payments low at the penalty of high interest. if you just want to keep payments flat you go for annuity [25-Nov-24 03:53 PM] tanda#0000 Oh I thought that's what you were talking abour [25-Nov-24 03:53 PM] sidepipe#0000 but it's 0% interest ๐Ÿ˜ญ [25-Nov-24 03:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I paid 10% ๐Ÿ˜Š [25-Nov-24 03:54 PM] sidepipe#0000 wait what [25-Nov-24 03:54 PM] sidepipe#0000 for the psk loan? [25-Nov-24 03:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 `CONT TQF6E1W` yep [25-Nov-24 03:54 PM] sidepipe#0000 with me? [25-Nov-24 03:54 PM] jvaler#0000 no i meant the "interest" type loan... why did they call it that anyways it's confusing [25-Nov-24 03:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 im joking [25-Nov-24 03:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 oh okay [25-Nov-24 03:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 with the PSK loan I paid 14% {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’€ [25-Nov-24 03:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 i thought I was doing usury for a second [25-Nov-24 03:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 with you [25-Nov-24 03:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฑ [25-Nov-24 03:55 PM] astra1414#0000 just wait until we finally reveal the AGP rugpull, it'll be glorious [25-Nov-24 03:56 PM] jvaler#0000 shhhhh you can't say these things [25-Nov-24 03:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 the psk loan with jvaler was 10% [25-Nov-24 03:56 PM] jvaler#0000 don't make them want to read the fine print [25-Nov-24 03:56 PM] jvaler#0000 it was???? [25-Nov-24 03:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 in total [25-Nov-24 03:56 PM] sidepipe#0000 wait, if I got 14% and jvaler got 10%, does that mean I'm a better banker? [25-Nov-24 03:56 PM] jvaler#0000 OHH [25-Nov-24 03:56 PM] sidepipe#0000 OH [25-Nov-24 03:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well you loaned me more money [25-Nov-24 03:57 PM] sidepipe#0000 I thought you meant the interest [25-Nov-24 03:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh nono [25-Nov-24 03:57 PM] jvaler#0000 lmfaoooo [25-Nov-24 03:57 PM] sidepipe#0000 phew [25-Nov-24 03:57 PM] sidepipe#0000 I haven't made money on interest yet and I don't want to just to keep the streak alive [25-Nov-24 03:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but I am paying you 630k in interest {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ณ [25-Nov-24 03:58 PM] astra1414#0000 use interest to give more loans {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [25-Nov-24 03:59 PM] astra1414#0000 if you think about it is actually quite healthy. you give x amount to someone, they use it to do y and they end up with z extra money. they pay you back more than you gave them while they make more, and so now you can continue on giving loans and continue the cycle {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [25-Nov-24 03:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 venture capital [25-Nov-24 03:59 PM] jvaler#0000 i've got ~42mil in loans given out rn ๐Ÿ“ˆ [25-Nov-24 03:59 PM] sidepipe#0000 I haven't knowingly made money on interest yet and I'm going to pretend I'm still not [25-Nov-24 04:00 PM] astra1414#0000 ignorance is bliss [25-Nov-24 04:00 PM] astra1414#0000 until it's not [25-Nov-24 04:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 also [25-Nov-24 04:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 my CL loan [25-Nov-24 04:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 I will donate 630k to the friendly metals charitable trust foundation [25-Nov-24 04:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 oh no i did loan you money for that too [25-Nov-24 04:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 that's like 700k [25-Nov-24 04:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 in interest [25-Nov-24 04:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 please stop telling me this {Reactions} link_cool [25-Nov-24 04:00 PM] jvaler#0000 donaite it to APEX like any good prun philanthropist [25-Nov-24 04:00 PM] astra1414#0000 ive made the executive decision to donate your interest money into my own wallet, thank you for your understanding and yes ill accept this award for charity. [25-Nov-24 04:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 maybe he'll get some EDC {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™ [25-Nov-24 04:01 PM] astra1414#0000 high apex level means im winning right? right?? {Reactions} Stonks true [25-Nov-24 04:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 i don't need interest to give loans, I profit from organized crime (edc/idc) [25-Nov-24 04:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 ...and from Hal i guess [25-Nov-24 04:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 โค๏ธ [25-Nov-24 04:02 PM] astra1414#0000 i cannot believe you are exorting money out of antarians with your dirty cartel money [25-Nov-24 04:02 PM] jvaler#0000 "i can excuse money printing, but i draw the line at collecting interest on loans" [25-Nov-24 04:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 i have a deep, complicated, and highly flexible moral compass [25-Nov-24 04:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It's not extortion if I'm willing [25-Nov-24 04:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 I'm here to extort the working class, not fellow CEOs [25-Nov-24 04:03 PM] roche3950#0000 could call yourself an apex legend โ€ฆ ? [25-Nov-24 04:03 PM] astra1414#0000 banned [25-Nov-24 04:04 PM] astra1414#0000 does that flexibility apply to what's convenient? [25-Nov-24 04:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/uFSUNCeqK2d3iGsPyY7dmd2bhbLCUFb5IeD62bgJMUY/https/media.tenor.com/sFGB4cW82U8AAAAe/jail-right-to-jail.png [25-Nov-24 04:04 PM] igfloz#0000 brb, Imma get some popcorn, this could get interesting ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Nov-24 04:04 PM] roche3950#0000 :ssun: [25-Nov-24 04:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 nope, only what is necessary ๐Ÿ˜› [25-Nov-24 04:05 PM] astra1414#0000 the business must grow [25-Nov-24 04:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ooh should I get an APEX level? [25-Nov-24 04:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 just one tho? [25-Nov-24 04:05 PM] astra1414#0000 you haven't been dumping money into apex the whole time? [25-Nov-24 04:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 no [25-Nov-24 04:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I've been donating it ๐Ÿ™‚ [25-Nov-24 04:06 PM] astra1414#0000 yeah that's a better use, and thematically they do the same thing, as i believe the flavour text for the apex level upgrade is something along the lines of funding the starter package for new ceos when they join. [25-Nov-24 04:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 :RSBugCatMoney: [25-Nov-24 04:07 PM] astra1414#0000 we need an AIC emoji [25-Nov-24 04:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I'm no good at art tho [25-Nov-24 04:07 PM] roche3950#0000 use AI to make the AIC [25-Nov-24 04:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, donating it to me with all this unauthorized interest [25-Nov-24 04:07 PM] roche3950#0000 but seriously, that would be cool [25-Nov-24 04:07 PM] jvaler#0000 yup {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1310728713653977089/image.png?ex=6814997d&is=681347fd&hm=59372f18ac078a2dd58e6b6516f61edbb38db045e373db9609c0e069e2db334b& [25-Nov-24 04:08 PM] astra1414#0000 no. bad. [25-Nov-24 04:08 PM] astra1414#0000 go sit in the corner of shame [25-Nov-24 04:08 PM] astra1414#0000 reflect upon your transgressions [25-Nov-24 04:08 PM] astra1414#0000 come back and tell us what you did wrong [25-Nov-24 04:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i'll go make a rotating AIC symbol [25-Nov-24 04:08 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1310728914200428647/image.png?ex=681499ad&is=6813482d&hm=469af01a5473d95103daf90b0b39754b5a3457b3496b8cbc706db2db17e17d72& [25-Nov-24 04:09 PM] astra1414#0000 i think the real crime here is the commodity icons [25-Nov-24 04:10 PM] jvaler#0000 they look good D: [25-Nov-24 04:11 PM] roche3950#0000 didnโ€™t drink enough coffee [25-Nov-24 04:12 PM] roche3950#0000 :COF: [25-Nov-24 04:12 PM] astra1414#0000 ....do they? [25-Nov-24 04:12 PM] jvaler#0000 mhm [25-Nov-24 04:12 PM] jvaler#0000 the old emoji ones were ugly [25-Nov-24 04:12 PM] jvaler#0000 but these are monochrome and cool [25-Nov-24 10:04 PM] tanda#0000 @cptcoleslaw hey sir, how high is your HQ bonus with all of your open permits? [25-Nov-24 10:27 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 +20% usually. Despite only having one base producing I'm still using like 9 permits. Minimum is 7 because I just use some for STO and I have some down where I want to fill CoGCs and vote [25-Nov-24 10:28 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 So 55k PE/d on Katoa ๐Ÿ˜† [25-Nov-24 10:28 PM] tanda#0000 ah, so not as insane as I was thinking [25-Nov-24 10:45 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Yeah it's not too crazy [25-Nov-24 10:46 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I've debated moving it to Uponor though so I can build a corp HQ there and get over 200%, lol [26-Nov-24 07:23 AM] tanda#0000 Almost caught up {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1310959170132119552/image.png?ex=6814c75e&is=681375de&hm=3189696c649ac62f697c7636e0f57c5dddee793d29e9e37862bd6417678b6b20& [26-Nov-24 07:24 AM] tanda#0000 Never actually "caught up" Always "almost" [26-Nov-24 09:10 AM] realharvey#0000 Harvey Industries most used Prun-Screen {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1310985977564500039/image.png?ex=6814e055&is=68138ed5&hm=27628ef36d4a23303d3087efc0fd7106f7c5cde3a6c6c1e37fab6dfd340d180b& {Reactions} peepobusiness (2) ๐Ÿ’š [26-Nov-24 12:22 PM] tanda#0000 [26-Nov-24 12:23 PM] jvaler#0000 kevinator > kevininator [26-Nov-24 12:23 PM] jvaler#0000 the inin is hard to say [26-Nov-24 12:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s very dr doofensmirtz {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [26-Nov-24 12:26 PM] tanda#0000 That's the whole point๐Ÿ‘† [26-Nov-24 12:27 PM] realharvey#0000 i love them all [26-Nov-24 12:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 I think youโ€™d better build three ships just in case {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (3) [26-Nov-24 12:40 PM] astra1414#0000 i would like to inform all members that the above poll will have results monitored and while antares is all for freedom of expression, speech, etc. you will be prosecuted based on your response. there's no wrong choice, of course, you are free to vote, however.. there is a wrong choice and it starts with K. {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) ๐Ÿค [26-Nov-24 12:42 PM] igfloz#0000 Kwanna see my PP3 - gotcha ๐Ÿ‘ [26-Nov-24 12:48 PM] sidepipe#0000 Good thing my choice starts with a B ๐Ÿ˜ {Reactions} ๐Ÿค [26-Nov-24 01:05 PM] avalock#0000 imagine kevin almost had the acronym CUTEAF [26-Nov-24 01:10 PM] tanda#0000 ~~Or ARISE~~ [26-Nov-24 01:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Glorious KEVIN [26-Nov-24 01:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Or [26-Nov-24 01:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Big Chungus [26-Nov-24 03:40 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/a-what-tiger-shark-tiger-shark-a-what-jaws-gif-jaws-gif-21991162 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/a-what-tiger-shark-tiger-shark-a-what-jaws-gif-jaws-gif-21991162 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Pf12WVj_zcwAELQ_tTnrljCDKlBwDXX_pXsDWTtQcmU/https/media.tenor.com/aBGmq1VruhcAAAAe/a-what-tiger-shark.png [26-Nov-24 03:52 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Since there are a few ship builders present here: there is probably somewhere a guide to ship building, isnโ€™t there? Or a best practice design for 2k/2k and 3k/1k ships? [26-Nov-24 03:53 PM] riseoffilth#0000 its more just... use the BLU tool and plug and play [26-Nov-24 03:53 PM] riseoffilth#0000 see what you like [26-Nov-24 03:59 PM] tanda#0000 The survey results are already looking pretty clear! [26-Nov-24 03:59 PM] astra1414#0000 criminals [26-Nov-24 04:03 PM] astra1414#0000 ill have to name a ship of mine on eve as the pride of antares to make up for the heresy displayed here [26-Nov-24 04:03 PM] tanda#0000 Kevin is a patriotic name, it serves the good of the greater Antares area [26-Nov-24 04:04 PM] astra1414#0000 i disagree strongly [26-Nov-24 04:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Keeping Antares very Insulated? [26-Nov-24 04:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Kevinโ€™s name sake [26-Nov-24 04:04 PM] tanda#0000 Oh boy [26-Nov-24 04:05 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1311090364404338719/Screenshot_20241126_140442_Chrome.jpg?ex=681498cd&is=6813474d&hm=ce2578769d3ea767aa829ca45cf69be129aca935c3a1fb5db56debc2612feba1& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [26-Nov-24 04:49 PM] roche3950#0000 I was gonna name that system too [26-Nov-24 04:49 PM] roche3950#0000 and to a name thatโ€™s not Greater Kevinia [26-Nov-24 04:50 PM] roche3950#0000 also more eve players taking refuge here from, uh, eve \o/ [26-Nov-24 04:52 PM] tanda#0000 Aww [26-Nov-24 04:53 PM] roche3950#0000 I do have a pretty cool planet and system combo lined up, just need to find the right place [26-Nov-24 07:27 PM] sidepipe#0000 now that rPrun is out, I can finally participate in complaining about how bad my burn looks again ๐Ÿ˜„ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1311141282621554708/image.png?ex=6814c839&is=681376b9&hm=08d481945a9c92efbb5bc0ce1286b87f60bcfc5d9fef9bd2999a8d3cf4ddd5b4& [26-Nov-24 08:12 PM] tanda#0000 Sorry, that was actually my suggested name for the Shipkit project [26-Nov-24 08:12 PM] tanda#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1246543290854146058/1270169726173315194 [27-Nov-24 07:21 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1311320923760234536/image.png?ex=6814c6c7&is=68137547&hm=ad78dd97ed07f3314b0941aa9603507617ba2fb3e1d9037663482b08a4a978cc& {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ [27-Nov-24 07:21 AM] tanda#0000 https://tenor.com/view/phineas-and-ferb-heinz-doofenschmirtz-inator-blow-itself-up-behold-gif-17554315418709125820 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/phineas-and-ferb-heinz-doofenschmirtz-inator-blow-itself-up-behold-gif-17554315418709125820 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/vqiWOhXTcLnAzH1hXmT5-sT2z7zJPLOPgZTYTOjiNjw/https/media.tenor.com/85103ddR6rwAAAAe/phineas-and-ferb-heinz-doofenschmirtz.png [27-Nov-24 12:22 PM] tanda#0000 {Embed} poll_question_text What name should I use for my new ship? victor_answer_votes 13 total_votes 22 victor_answer_id 1 victor_answer_text BEHOLD THE KEVININATOR [27-Nov-24 12:32 PM] moke.#0000 The people have spoken [27-Nov-24 12:52 PM] astra1414#0000 all voters will now be banned. [27-Nov-24 12:52 PM] astra1414#0000 thank you for participating in our democracy trial. {Reactions} kekw [27-Nov-24 12:55 PM] roche3950#0000 Democracy is better when itโ€™s managed. {Reactions} kekw ๐Ÿ‘€ [27-Nov-24 02:03 PM] avalock#0000 thats too big of a word for me to even understand [27-Nov-24 02:04 PM] avalock#0000 wruff arf woof awroooo [27-Nov-24 02:18 PM] roche3950#0000 Nothing to understand, citizen. [27-Nov-24 03:24 PM] avalock#0000 how about this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1311442595339173998/IMG_5813.mov?ex=68148f58&is=68133dd8&hm=c405eeb4d51133e02aef09a5158202946ac803cd6790a1a644f52918f5ed58f2& [27-Nov-24 03:47 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1311448456107134986/image.png?ex=681494cd&is=6813434d&hm=2dc74cf608429f3fc487475dba9b77bcc5bbea0c175c280e55e30ab04b7463fe& [27-Nov-24 03:48 PM] roche3950#0000 should I be scared [27-Nov-24 03:49 PM] laaxus#0000 we're not in december yet [27-Nov-24 03:49 PM] laaxus#0000 please [27-Nov-24 03:49 PM] laaxus#0000 not like this [27-Nov-24 04:03 PM] avalock#0000 i played christmas music for the last 30 mins of work [27-Nov-24 04:04 PM] laaxus#0000 This is acceptable [27-Nov-24 04:05 PM] avalock#0000 :Luci_Hehe: [27-Nov-24 04:15 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://tenor.com/view/smile-evil-evil-smile-big-smile-fake-smile-gif-10706970141610221313 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/smile-evil-evil-smile-big-smile-fake-smile-gif-10706970141610221313 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/8rJ8IsqucAojzpETNllx5vyt6mlhLG9cNPwIWR0xOGY/https/media.tenor.com/lJbMnadkHwEAAAAe/smile-evil.png [27-Nov-24 04:17 PM] roche3950#0000 Iโ€™m already humming Christmas music lol [27-Nov-24 04:22 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m just glad Iโ€™ve almost made it through December without hearing Last Christmas ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Nov-24 04:22 PM] tanda#0000 Sir, it's not December yet [27-Nov-24 04:23 PM] sidepipe#0000 I meant November [27-Nov-24 04:23 PM] sidepipe#0000 Wishful thinking ๐Ÿ˜… [27-Nov-24 04:23 PM] avalock#0000 oh btw yโ€™all just lost the game {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ก (3) [27-Nov-24 04:24 PM] avalock#0000 :dogekek: [27-Nov-24 04:24 PM] tanda#0000 Whamageddon? Hasn't started yet [27-Nov-24 04:24 PM] avalock#0000 nono the game [27-Nov-24 04:25 PM] avalock#0000 the game where if you think about it, say it, or hear it you lose [27-Nov-24 04:25 PM] tanda#0000 What game? I'm not familiar [27-Nov-24 04:25 PM] avalock#0000 it might not have been a thing for you [27-Nov-24 04:26 PM] avalock#0000 its a very middle school thing [27-Nov-24 04:26 PM] sidepipe#0000 Oh man I remember the game [27-Nov-24 04:26 PM] avalock#0000 but im a dork [27-Nov-24 04:26 PM] avalock#0000 and still say it [27-Nov-24 04:28 PM] tanda#0000 See I can tell you work in an IT adjacent field just because you're aware of that [27-Nov-24 04:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 Avacyn or me? ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Nov-24 04:30 PM] avalock#0000 i actually donโ€™t yet [27-Nov-24 04:30 PM] avalock#0000 but soon [27-Nov-24 04:30 PM] avalock#0000 i test audio equipment [27-Nov-24 04:30 PM] avalock#0000 if i was in IT the company would be too efficient [27-Nov-24 04:31 PM] tanda#0000 Yes [27-Nov-24 04:31 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m a furry afterall :PepeLa: {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [27-Nov-24 04:38 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m in insurance ๐Ÿ˜ [27-Nov-24 04:40 PM] sidepipe#0000 But I do program more than most of my peers, so maybe that counts? [27-Nov-24 04:41 PM] roche3950#0000 I trade stocks ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Nov-24 04:44 PM] jvaler#0000 i literally had like a year long streak going what the fuck [27-Nov-24 04:45 PM] jvaler#0000 ;_; [27-Nov-24 04:45 PM] avalock#0000 sorry, I'm basically a griefer [27-Nov-24 04:45 PM] sidepipe#0000 Ava is an agent of chaos (compliment) [27-Nov-24 04:45 PM] jvaler#0000 you're preemptively banned from any ADI minecraft server [27-Nov-24 04:45 PM] avalock#0000 NOOOO [27-Nov-24 04:45 PM] avalock#0000 But [27-Nov-24 04:45 PM] avalock#0000 can you say [27-Nov-24 04:45 PM] avalock#0000 Team Ava deserves ice cream? [27-Nov-24 04:45 PM] avalock#0000 :3 [27-Nov-24 04:46 PM] moke.#0000 Can we just outright ban them for this [27-Nov-24 04:46 PM] moke.#0000 Im asking for a vote [27-Nov-24 04:46 PM] avalock#0000 WHA [27-Nov-24 04:47 PM] jvaler#0000 do *you* think team ava deserves ice cream? [27-Nov-24 04:47 PM] avalock#0000 I think I deserve ice cream yes [27-Nov-24 04:47 PM] avalock#0000 idk if you know the people the reference is of [27-Nov-24 04:47 PM] jvaler#0000 [27-Nov-24 04:48 PM] avalock#0000 ๐Ÿ™ please no [27-Nov-24 04:48 PM] avalock#0000 I swear I'm a good dog [27-Nov-24 04:48 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't think so :/ [27-Nov-24 04:49 PM] avalock#0000 their old content hasn't aged well, but idk, team avolition was apart of my childhood, I chat with their lead uhhhh hack-developer [27-Nov-24 04:49 PM] avalock#0000 its also how I met my girlfriend lmfao [27-Nov-24 04:50 PM] jvaler#0000 oh i've never heard of this before [27-Nov-24 04:50 PM] jvaler#0000 wow that stuff's old [27-Nov-24 04:50 PM] avalock#0000 It's aged... [27-Nov-24 04:50 PM] avalock#0000 REALLY badly lmfao [27-Nov-24 04:50 PM] jvaler#0000 oop [27-Nov-24 04:50 PM] avalock#0000 but idk [27-Nov-24 04:51 PM] avalock#0000 @jvaler is it fine if I dm you [27-Nov-24 04:51 PM] jvaler#0000 ofc [27-Nov-24 04:52 PM] roche3950#0000 yeah Avo trolling was the kind of thing that was edgy in 2012-2014 [27-Nov-24 04:52 PM] roche3950#0000 but now just gets you removed from a lot of spaces and potentially doxxed [27-Nov-24 04:52 PM] roche3950#0000 :p [27-Nov-24 04:52 PM] roche3950#0000 which โ€ฆ eh, first part isnโ€™t so bad [27-Nov-24 04:52 PM] avalock#0000 yeah, idk I really liked them, I chat with krysk now [27-Nov-24 04:53 PM] avalock#0000 she's helped me with voice training [27-Nov-24 04:53 PM] roche3950#0000 thatโ€™s neat [27-Nov-24 04:53 PM] avalock#0000 which [27-Nov-24 04:53 PM] avalock#0000 if you know krysk [27-Nov-24 04:53 PM] avalock#0000 is probably out of left field [27-Nov-24 04:53 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: [27-Nov-24 04:53 PM] roche3950#0000 knew their work [27-Nov-24 04:53 PM] roche3950#0000 dev of the infamous(?) Reliant MC client [27-Nov-24 04:53 PM] roche3950#0000 right [27-Nov-24 04:53 PM] tanda#0000 One swat to the nose with a rolled up magazine {Reactions} bonk [27-Nov-24 04:54 PM] avalock#0000 yep! [27-Nov-24 05:09 PM] roche3950#0000 and generally hell of a coder [27-Nov-24 05:10 PM] roche3950#0000 did they end up doing something professionally with the skills? /gen [27-Nov-24 05:11 PM] avalock#0000 yeah, Idk what company she works for, but its something to do with coding [27-Nov-24 05:11 PM] avalock#0000 I feel like its web development :thinking2: [27-Nov-24 05:11 PM] avalock#0000 storm_surge ended up getting ice cream from a reddit mod at his job [27-Nov-24 05:11 PM] avalock#0000 idk what he does [27-Nov-24 05:12 PM] avalock#0000 but pretty much everyone in the videos are all still friends [27-Nov-24 05:12 PM] avalock#0000 idk if the people they griefed uhhh hang out with them anymore [27-Nov-24 05:14 PM] avalock#0000 like doridian, dell, and ps3gamer [27-Nov-24 05:15 PM] avalock#0000 I think the villain (AlLnAtuRalX) does crypto now... [27-Nov-24 05:15 PM] avalock#0000 either him or firestar [27-Nov-24 05:15 PM] roche3950#0000 not surprising? lol [27-Nov-24 05:15 PM] avalock#0000 :kekw: nah [27-Nov-24 05:16 PM] avalock#0000 oh yeah its allnaturalx [27-Nov-24 05:16 PM] roche3950#0000 I was briefly into crypto stuff [27-Nov-24 05:16 PM] roche3950#0000 (no, I didnโ€™t lose my shirt) [27-Nov-24 05:16 PM] avalock#0000 lmao [27-Nov-24 05:17 PM] roche3950#0000 just thought some of the crypto game stuff was cool [27-Nov-24 05:17 PM] roche3950#0000 got a horse in ZED RUN as a gift [27-Nov-24 05:17 PM] avalock#0000 I'm not into it, but I've seen the underworld of it [27-Nov-24 05:18 PM] roche3950#0000 the dude in โ€ฆ thailand? [27-Nov-24 05:18 PM] roche3950#0000 someone who tried to steal the balances of a mktplace he made [27-Nov-24 05:18 PM] avalock#0000 nono, uhhhh [27-Nov-24 05:19 PM] roche3950#0000 ah [27-Nov-24 05:19 PM] avalock#0000 ye [27-Nov-24 05:19 PM] roche3950#0000 yeah I just prefer my desk job [27-Nov-24 05:19 PM] roche3950#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Nov-24 05:19 PM] avalock#0000 understood lmfao [27-Nov-24 07:20 PM] tanda#0000 Why does EA-Nasir not sell copper? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1311501893855477911/image.png?ex=6814c692&is=68137512&hm=e4801ea3d2d9df128826dfb84bbbe04a8d13d25d9d44374f6a9aebdf513b3fe3& [27-Nov-24 07:20 PM] sidepipe#0000 couldn't get the quality right ๐Ÿ˜› [27-Nov-24 07:21 PM] tanda#0000 oh never mind, they have precisely one CU available at 1mil [27-Nov-24 07:37 PM] moke.#0000 Do you need CU? ๐Ÿ‘€ [27-Nov-24 07:43 PM] tanda#0000 not currently. Just finally had nanoengineer's company name click in my head [27-Nov-24 07:43 PM] tanda#0000 he's only been buying assorted goods off me for a 6 months, lol [27-Nov-24 10:25 PM] antisyntax#0000 anyone wanna loan me a LCB ship? lol. i need three ships to optimize my setup, but only have a milli in the bank atm [27-Nov-24 10:52 PM] tanda#0000 I dream of the day I have enough cash to do that [27-Nov-24 10:54 PM] jvaler#0000 loan as in the money to buy a ship, or loan as in sending a bunch of shipping contracts to be fulfilled? [27-Nov-24 11:34 PM] archielvahr#0000 Gotta upgrade your starter ships first [27-Nov-24 11:34 PM] archielvahr#0000 3 bases should be pretty managable with your two starter ships {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [28-Nov-24 12:03 AM] finestone#0000 Or maybe optimize your bases to reduce shipping ๐Ÿ™‚ [28-Nov-24 12:27 AM] evov#0000 People (especially newer players) very heavily under-estimate the cost of providing logistics (ships) to run their bases. This is a list I made showing the capital cost of ships required to cover each process. ( real costs will vary depending on flight times/fuel use ) If you're short on ships, stay away from the top of the list, lean into the bottom of the list imo. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1311579228428308520/image.png?ex=68150e98&is=6813bd18&hm=305cad543c0f8cb4e3c194829c27245f68714822befab35ce7bd95908ab5b5ea& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [28-Nov-24 12:31 AM] laaxus#0000 Good morning ! [28-Nov-24 12:33 AM] laaxus#0000 My suggestion is to just include the Price of a ship when planning your base [28-Nov-24 12:34 AM] laaxus#0000 If you need a 2k/2k once a week to supply your base, add 1/7th of a New 2k/2k as part of your roi calculation [28-Nov-24 06:17 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/xdsm.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-community-too-small-to-read-read-reading-gif-5494204 Too small to read - Small https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/srOqCCTVeFQh-_KzdVDgh_qhK9Mbh1egVh1v_QUR2HE/https/media.tenor.com/khJthyXJxtcAAAAe/ken-jeong-community.png [28-Nov-24 06:17 AM] jcheung#0000 technically there's ways to adjust the shipping cost [28-Nov-24 06:18 AM] jcheung#0000 although [28-Nov-24 06:18 AM] jcheung#0000 what's the other criteria for this? what distance is stuff being shipped? how much time does this cover? [28-Nov-24 01:39 PM] evov#0000 These are the baseline shipping costs I used. They will differ a lot based on what you're doing. The relevant point isn't the raw cost of it but the relative cost i.e. recognizing that some things are MORE costly vs LESS costly to set up. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1311778579536806029/image.png?ex=681476c1&is=68132541&hm=f0e4681a9abe5cfeab1ee9e8846b7b018c0e5f3b01efa47c9e40a829f98a0b83& [28-Nov-24 01:52 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1311781906857070655/image.png?ex=681479da&is=6813285a&hm=45790ac0652983b095a8f7a18c1b8b3fcb26e69d3ca43122bc944c43a06c27b1& {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [28-Nov-24 02:23 PM] razenpok#0000 @jvaler petition to move voice channels to a separate category [28-Nov-24 02:24 PM] razenpok#0000 Every once in a while I join them with a missclick [28-Nov-24 02:36 PM] antisyntax#0000 money, most likely. ๐Ÿ™‚ I think i was told a new LCB is about 6 mil, so it honestly was more of a joke since i doubt anyone would loan me that much lol [28-Nov-24 02:37 PM] antisyntax#0000 already have, but three bases with ~16 hour flight between then gets really tight. My ALO and C is heavy, so i honestly was going to have two ships on a rotation moving I/O mats throughout, and a third to move consumables and repairs etc [28-Nov-24 02:48 PM] jvaler#0000 sounds good to me โœ… gimme a bit {Reactions} blobthanks [28-Nov-24 02:48 PM] jvaler#0000 i mean... https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1293695249679650931/1305494976561418312 [28-Nov-24 02:51 PM] pxlfox.#0000 first time I can stock a base for 30d ... feels good ๐Ÿ˜Ž {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1311796546848821318/image.png?ex=6814877c&is=681335fc&hm=19ad3185898f71d2375e251b879001f06c54c641eedc6d7d0cb3fbc673f7a1db& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™ (4) [28-Nov-24 02:52 PM] tanda#0000 now if only space made giving it all the production goods it needed were possible [28-Nov-24 02:52 PM] tanda#0000 would love to supply Deimos for 30 days at a time [28-Nov-24 02:55 PM] antisyntax#0000 honestly considering giving another permit to Deimos solely for adding more STOs at the base lol [28-Nov-24 02:55 PM] tanda#0000 I just bumped it up to 4 STO just to use some extra space, already at 2 permits, lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [28-Nov-24 02:58 PM] antisyntax#0000 will definiately hit you up once I get a quote for a new ship. I forget, who is the main Deimos shipbuilder? I wanna say it's Rise, right? [28-Nov-24 02:59 PM] tanda#0000 Archiel has like 2 ships still? for ~~4.7m?~~ 5.7m [28-Nov-24 02:59 PM] tanda#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1235430108127432754 {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Nov-24 03:00 PM] tanda#0000 anyone with a waiting list is probably out around 3-4 months for production [28-Nov-24 03:01 PM] jvaler#0000 there's healthy shipbuilding competition in antares your choices are between rise, evov, and OOG {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Nov-24 03:02 PM] antisyntax#0000 this preset is literally EXACTLY what i was looking to upgrade for so that works perfectly. all the upgrades were what i was thinking [28-Nov-24 03:02 PM] jvaler#0000 rise: https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1203083429676191765 evov: https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1277039198892986489 oog: above ^ [28-Nov-24 03:02 PM] tanda#0000 It does use MFL tanks so that's a bit odd, but it still works good on 90% of applications [28-Nov-24 03:12 PM] antisyntax#0000 3%. is this 3% interest, or 3% weekly payments? [28-Nov-24 03:14 PM] jvaler#0000 3% interest that compounds weekly {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Nov-24 03:15 PM] antisyntax#0000 yikes [28-Nov-24 03:15 PM] antisyntax#0000 the interest alone is 70% of my total net profits for a 6mil loan [28-Nov-24 03:15 PM] antisyntax#0000 i make about 240-260k / wk [28-Nov-24 03:15 PM] jvaler#0000 that sounds like your repayment period is too long then, or you're using the interest loan type [28-Nov-24 03:15 PM] antisyntax#0000 that's assuming i did my math right [28-Nov-24 03:16 PM] antisyntax#0000 6mil * 0.03 = 180k / wk [28-Nov-24 03:16 PM] antisyntax#0000 i wasn't drafting a cont yet [28-Nov-24 03:16 PM] jvaler#0000 `math 180000/7 [28-Nov-24 03:16 PM] FIDO#2937 25,714.29 [28-Nov-24 03:16 PM] jvaler#0000 that sounds about right [28-Nov-24 03:16 PM] antisyntax#0000 yeak i make 38k a day [28-Nov-24 03:17 PM] antisyntax#0000 `math 200&700 [28-Nov-24 03:17 PM] FIDO#2937 1.00 [28-Nov-24 03:17 PM] antisyntax#0000 `math 200*700 [28-Nov-24 03:17 PM] FIDO#2937 140,000.00 [28-Nov-24 03:17 PM] antisyntax#0000 hm [28-Nov-24 03:17 PM] antisyntax#0000 maybe im way off [28-Nov-24 03:17 PM] jvaler#0000 you make only 38k/d and need an LCB? [28-Nov-24 03:17 PM] antisyntax#0000 lemme check my burn rq [28-Nov-24 03:17 PM] antisyntax#0000 209.7 AL/day [28-Nov-24 03:18 PM] jvaler#0000 rprun has a finance screen that shows you your bases' profitability [28-Nov-24 03:18 PM] antisyntax#0000 lemme check, but last i checked my profit margins were around 47% [28-Nov-24 03:19 PM] antisyntax#0000 hm... its saying my daily revenue is 320k [28-Nov-24 03:19 PM] antisyntax#0000 but if im only making 200 AL / day [28-Nov-24 03:19 PM] antisyntax#0000 thats only 140k/dy [28-Nov-24 03:19 PM] antisyntax#0000 but my daily margin is 45% [28-Nov-24 03:20 PM] antisyntax#0000 honestly its my consumables. they eat up about half my gross [28-Nov-24 03:20 PM] jvaler#0000 your AL isn't your only base though [28-Nov-24 03:20 PM] jvaler#0000 your other 2 bases generate value too [28-Nov-24 03:20 PM] antisyntax#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1311803964118925422/image.png?ex=68148e65&is=68133ce5&hm=398d36f713e6811ba38a95a7256e4a200d10614803b2fd6e1bc95b161cf785a8& [28-Nov-24 03:20 PM] antisyntax#0000 i mean my other bases produce some excess C, ALO, and GRN, but barely enough [28-Nov-24 03:21 PM] antisyntax#0000 it'll take weeks before it stocks up enough to sell [28-Nov-24 03:21 PM] antisyntax#0000 but they all pretty much support Deimos [28-Nov-24 03:22 PM] jvaler#0000 those bases are still generating *value* regardless of if you sell them. 1 C is worth 1 C whether it's consumed by AL or sold on the CX [28-Nov-24 03:22 PM] antisyntax#0000 true [28-Nov-24 03:22 PM] antisyntax#0000 i haven't used prunplanner in months, but lemme check my overall burn [28-Nov-24 03:22 PM] antisyntax#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1311804531486494750/image.png?ex=68148eec&is=68133d6c&hm=21dff07237de54ae9efee9580b0dc408637fd2d37fe33d7abdd992d996bd82f9& [28-Nov-24 03:24 PM] antisyntax#0000 about 196k / day [28-Nov-24 03:25 PM] antisyntax#0000 selling all the excess [28-Nov-24 03:25 PM] antisyntax#0000 i guess thats much more do-able [28-Nov-24 03:25 PM] antisyntax#0000 thats about 13% [28-Nov-24 03:27 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah that sounds much more accurate to a harmonia -> nascent -> deimos chain than 38k/d [28-Nov-24 03:27 PM] jvaler#0000 here 1 sec [28-Nov-24 03:28 PM] jvaler#0000 `math 29348+37302+69895 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1311806039489777674/image.png?ex=68149053&is=68133ed3&hm=94606fd4e41913d5a389abedb4b6aedaaeb6b10a9cefb2dc3a375014ccc22ef2& [28-Nov-24 03:28 PM] FIDO#2937 136,545.00 [28-Nov-24 04:47 PM] jvaler#0000 {Embed} poll_question_text ban avacyn victor_answer_votes 6 total_votes 10 victor_answer_id 2 victor_answer_text spare... for now [28-Nov-24 04:53 PM] avalock#0000 phew [28-Nov-24 04:53 PM] avalock#0000 a close one [28-Nov-24 05:11 PM] jvaler#0000 wow that was too close [28-Nov-24 05:14 PM] avalock#0000 @jvaler funny thing has happened with TSA and I [28-Nov-24 05:14 PM] avalock#0000 (iโ€™m traveling atm) [28-Nov-24 05:25 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/5ddp.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/pat-down-pillsbury-pillsbury-dough-boy-ticklish-gif-13596429 pat down ticklish https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/b2DmQQqjk024t1jrSpoGkc5K7y9ZujyF9qUEstlrLPI/https/media.tenor.com/NEwPKmu-tFcAAAAe/pat-down-pillsbury.png [28-Nov-24 05:26 PM] avalock#0000 you wanna hear it? [28-Nov-24 05:26 PM] avalock#0000 :) [28-Nov-24 05:26 PM] jcheung#0000 do i? [28-Nov-24 05:27 PM] jvaler#0000 yea? [28-Nov-24 06:22 PM] antisyntax#0000 @jvaler are you okay with a 20-week loan for 6mil (8.22mil after interest)? [28-Nov-24 06:23 PM] antisyntax#0000 i know im paying my arm and leg for interest, but thats the highest length I can do, and its still 411k / week, which is about 30%-ish interest (yikes) [28-Nov-24 06:23 PM] antisyntax#0000 but idk if you are okay with a loan that long [28-Nov-24 06:24 PM] antisyntax#0000 (annuity loan iirc) [28-Nov-24 06:27 PM] jcheung#0000 I suspect they'll work with you on it [28-Nov-24 06:48 PM] jvaler#0000 20 weeks is a lot... but interest is interest so ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ [28-Nov-24 06:48 PM] antisyntax#0000 hm [28-Nov-24 06:48 PM] jvaler#0000 what's the repayment rate you're looking at for the annuity loan? [28-Nov-24 06:49 PM] antisyntax#0000 i did whatever loan was the same amount every month [28-Nov-24 06:49 PM] antisyntax#0000 7 day, 20 weeks, 3% [28-Nov-24 06:49 PM] jvaler#0000 right that's annuity [28-Nov-24 06:49 PM] jvaler#0000 but what repayment rate setting [28-Nov-24 06:49 PM] antisyntax#0000 oh. its 20 weeks, so i guess 0.05 [28-Nov-24 06:49 PM] antisyntax#0000 i tried to do a 26-week to make it an even half-year, but it only let me do 20 max [28-Nov-24 06:50 PM] antisyntax#0000 hm [28-Nov-24 06:50 PM] antisyntax#0000 wait [28-Nov-24 06:50 PM] antisyntax#0000 lemme recalcualte before you accept [28-Nov-24 06:50 PM] antisyntax#0000 i have no idea where i got my math from [28-Nov-24 06:51 PM] antisyntax#0000 i produce 200 AL / day. at 700 AIC (even though its 720 right now), thats 140k... a day. [28-Nov-24 06:51 PM] antisyntax#0000 That's almost a million a week [28-Nov-24 06:51 PM] antisyntax#0000 so i could wait 6 weeks to get a ship, or be in debt for 20 [28-Nov-24 06:51 PM] antisyntax#0000 (although it will be a bit more because of consumable costs, but ๐Ÿคท) [28-Nov-24 06:52 PM] jvaler#0000 doesn't look right {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1311857165849464942/image.png?ex=6814bff1&is=68136e71&hm=e689d902c52ac60f67498256d5a87d8502eba7c2c83dce587f9dd7129fe56509& [28-Nov-24 06:52 PM] antisyntax#0000 i tried doing 0.03 something, do to 1/26, but it wouldn't let me [28-Nov-24 06:53 PM] jvaler#0000 0.0375 is ~20wks [28-Nov-24 06:53 PM] antisyntax#0000 yeah i did 0.0385 [28-Nov-24 06:53 PM] antisyntax#0000 because 1/26 is 0.03846154 [28-Nov-24 06:53 PM] antisyntax#0000 `math 1/26 [28-Nov-24 06:53 PM] FIDO#2937 0.04 [28-Nov-24 06:54 PM] jvaler#0000 lol [28-Nov-24 06:54 PM] antisyntax#0000 unless im doing my math wrong, i figured the repayment rate is just 1 / number of weeks [28-Nov-24 06:54 PM] antisyntax#0000 but if i make a million a week gross, i'll just wait a few months and buy a ship cash [28-Nov-24 06:54 PM] jvaler#0000 i have no idea what it actually means lmfao i just know higher = higher payments, shorter time [28-Nov-24 06:54 PM] antisyntax#0000 that way im not paying 8 million for a 6 million ship, and paying for it over 20 weeks [28-Nov-24 06:55 PM] antisyntax#0000 i should have it in about 3 months if i save [28-Nov-24 06:55 PM] tanda#0000 Can I make a suggestion? [28-Nov-24 06:55 PM] antisyntax#0000 and I don't *neeed* a ship [28-Nov-24 06:55 PM] antisyntax#0000 sure [28-Nov-24 06:55 PM] tanda#0000 You already have to transport the AL, right? [28-Nov-24 06:55 PM] tanda#0000 drop a base on Nike and upcycle your AL into BSE/BBH [28-Nov-24 06:55 PM] antisyntax#0000 yes. i'm doing a Harmonia>Nascent>Deimos>ANT run [28-Nov-24 06:55 PM] jvaler#0000 what base is this LCB for anyways? [28-Nov-24 06:55 PM] tanda#0000 That'll make a faster profit turnaround and leave you with a decent base for further expansion [28-Nov-24 06:56 PM] antisyntax#0000 the LCB is to help reduce the load of ALO to Deimos [28-Nov-24 06:56 PM] tanda#0000 and require roughly the same amount of shipping [28-Nov-24 06:56 PM] antisyntax#0000 basically 2 ships move around the loop [28-Nov-24 06:56 PM] antisyntax#0000 the third ship is for moving consumables, repair supplies, new bases, etc. [28-Nov-24 06:56 PM] antisyntax#0000 the reason i chose the LCB is it holds more ALO than the WCB [28-Nov-24 06:57 PM] tanda#0000 I never did ALO on Nascent, but I was able to manage the Harmonia>Nascent>Deimos route with two 500/500 ships [28-Nov-24 06:57 PM] antisyntax#0000 `fit ALO 2000t/2000m [28-Nov-24 06:57 PM] FIDO#2937 {Embed} Max Units 1481 ALO Remaining Weight 0.65t Remaining Volume 519.00mยณ [28-Nov-24 06:57 PM] antisyntax#0000 `fit ALO 3000t/1000m [28-Nov-24 06:57 PM] FIDO#2937 {Embed} Max Units 1000 ALO Remaining Weight 1,650.00t Remaining Volume 0.00mยณ [28-Nov-24 06:57 PM] jvaler#0000 i just realized this is bad returns for 20 weeks of loan... every loan i've given out so far falls between 25-30k/d in returns {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1311858478188331038/image.png?ex=6814c12a&is=68136faa&hm=ffbf43e050dd0205ed492131ce68cc9777c1349eee9e1002bf15f0352c1b298b& [28-Nov-24 06:57 PM] antisyntax#0000 ah [28-Nov-24 06:58 PM] antisyntax#0000 i like the idea of that. i could sell it or use it for upgrades/repairs from my own supply [28-Nov-24 06:58 PM] antisyntax#0000 and i was looking to expand [28-Nov-24 06:58 PM] antisyntax#0000 but idk if i could handle the logistics of 4 bases on two ships [28-Nov-24 06:58 PM] jvaler#0000 how are you managing it currently? LM shipping? [28-Nov-24 06:58 PM] tanda#0000 I think that's probably a better short term change. Shipping contracts can help a LOT with short termish shipping issues [28-Nov-24 06:59 PM] antisyntax#0000 constantly running ships every day [28-Nov-24 06:59 PM] jvaler#0000 ah [28-Nov-24 06:59 PM] antisyntax#0000 i like the idea of not suffering for weeks if i take a few days off lol [28-Nov-24 07:00 PM] antisyntax#0000 but i *just barely* have more logistics than i have items to move around [28-Nov-24 07:00 PM] antisyntax#0000 so i can technically run two ships every day and be fine [28-Nov-24 07:00 PM] antisyntax#0000 but if i take a break or expand, im screwed [28-Nov-24 07:00 PM] antisyntax#0000 then again im not maximizing my storage space on these flights [28-Nov-24 07:00 PM] antisyntax#0000 my point being lol [28-Nov-24 07:00 PM] antisyntax#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1311859389082239028/image.png?ex=6814c203&is=68137083&hm=8b62a88daf29085d662b5d976bd1696b7d528bd2fb8ea2d01e00d86fed6309cb& [28-Nov-24 07:01 PM] tanda#0000 Another suggestion would be to increase the amount of INC you have on Nascent, reduce the amount of EXT [28-Nov-24 07:01 PM] jvaler#0000 darkfuel has WCBs/LCBs that they use for 30k+ AIC contracts if you dm them to let them know you posted LM ads to deimos/nascent they'll (probably) reliably run them for you. i'd bump the price up to like 35-40k though given ANT -> nascent -> deimos and possibly -> ANT again is more than a 2 leg trip {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1311859598231343114/image.png?ex=6814c235&is=681370b5&hm=1e68c88bed988329e5da12fc6e26fadff045e4ca29de8a8e4c8e6a1bb2cbc184& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Nov-24 07:02 PM] antisyntax#0000 the reason i'm running only 400 GRN rn is because my nascent base is currently at 0 days burn for the INCs [28-Nov-24 07:02 PM] tanda#0000 source half of your ALO from LM on Deimos at market rates or above ask [28-Nov-24 07:02 PM] antisyntax#0000 so im running them every day [28-Nov-24 07:02 PM] antisyntax#0000 yeah but then that cuts into my profits [28-Nov-24 07:02 PM] jvaler#0000 sourcing at current ask price doesn't [28-Nov-24 07:02 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, but it's a QOL thing [28-Nov-24 07:02 PM] antisyntax#0000 i've got 8 EXT, 14 INC rn [28-Nov-24 07:03 PM] antisyntax#0000 i mean i only source H2O, O, and FLX [28-Nov-24 07:03 PM] antisyntax#0000 other than consumables ofc [28-Nov-24 07:04 PM] antisyntax#0000 not to mention, i've got my building ratios out so that i rarely have excess. if i source half my ALO, then my nascent base will be idling too much [28-Nov-24 07:04 PM] antisyntax#0000 i already have excess ALO [28-Nov-24 07:04 PM] tanda#0000 I cannot speak to the profitability of it, but I would rather have excess C than ALO [28-Nov-24 07:04 PM] jvaler#0000 you can sell the excess ALO. items are items, and as long as the market for an item is active it can always be converted to money {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Nov-24 07:05 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm pretty sure ALO LM ads get fulfilled on nascent, i've seen them come and go {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Nov-24 07:05 PM] antisyntax#0000 this is true, its worth a lot more [28-Nov-24 07:05 PM] tanda#0000 They do also get filled on Deimos too, often by people with mining bases on Nascent [28-Nov-24 07:07 PM] antisyntax#0000 so, tldr: buy some ALO locally/ANT CX, build a Nike base for BFABS, sell excess materials, engage in shipping contracts, and wait on getting a third ship? [28-Nov-24 07:08 PM] antisyntax#0000 maybe buy some consumables from internal so i'm not spending half my profits on food lol [28-Nov-24 07:08 PM] tanda#0000 If it's this much of a stretch to pay for a new ship, I definitely think so. I didn't buy an LCB until roughly base 6? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Nov-24 07:09 PM] antisyntax#0000 and once i get some stockpiled mats, i can run the ships less often, and fill them before sending them [28-Nov-24 07:09 PM] antisyntax#0000 so i don't have half or 10% full ships like rn [28-Nov-24 07:09 PM] tanda#0000 Yes, that helps a lot {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Nov-24 07:41 PM] astra1414#0000 what you really need to do is start up an antares based funding and grant discord where you give money to prospective new players who are then indebted to you and offer free/cheap shipping services to you {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [28-Nov-24 07:57 PM] antisyntax#0000 yeah i like that idea, but i may leave the game for a while, then come back and rejoin that discord ๐Ÿ˜‰ [28-Nov-24 09:21 PM] antisyntax#0000 listed in Nascent LM: 100 :FF: FTL fuel for 25/ea (higher than CX). Emergancy FTL fuel requested. 1 day delivery, 1 day listing. [28-Nov-24 09:58 PM] antisyntax#0000 are repeating contracts not a thing yet? It's greyed out. [28-Nov-24 09:59 PM] tanda#0000 It is not a thing at this time {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Nov-24 10:01 PM] antisyntax#0000 can't wait for it though. trading routes would be so much nicer when its automated [28-Nov-24 10:06 PM] astra1414#0000 just a few more years {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [29-Nov-24 02:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Sitting at 6 bases an even have downtime with my ships ๐Ÿค” Tho, Iโ€™m not transporting ALO, so thatโ€™s a thing [29-Nov-24 02:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 @antisyntax Did you upgrade your starter ships already? [29-Nov-24 02:53 AM] antisyntax#0000 yes. both are WCBs [29-Nov-24 02:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And youโ€™re on 3-4 bases? [29-Nov-24 02:54 AM] antisyntax#0000 yessir [29-Nov-24 02:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And you already need a 3rd ship? [29-Nov-24 02:54 AM] antisyntax#0000 not technically yet, i plan on getting a fourth base, and will definately need it then [29-Nov-24 02:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Thatโ€™s harsh [29-Nov-24 02:55 AM] antisyntax#0000 mainly because the time between stops is so long, that by the time my loop comes around to the same base, its long been starved of materials for my PROD lines [29-Nov-24 02:55 AM] antisyntax#0000 and i can't even think of taking a day or two off or everything backs up [29-Nov-24 02:56 AM] antisyntax#0000 but i've got something in the works, hehe [29-Nov-24 02:56 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/elemenopee-discord-gif-22537938 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/elemenopee-discord-gif-22537938 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/fLfHePQ3L_ZU6u4cZub2MOhUST4MFqgTQH7htGjiegM/https/media.tenor.com/C1Iez7NQWMgAAAAe/elemenopee-discord.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [29-Nov-24 02:56 AM] antisyntax#0000 lets just say... it's an *investment opportunity* [29-Nov-24 02:56 AM] antisyntax#0000 probably gonna get shit on for trying this, but its worth a try so ๐Ÿคท [29-Nov-24 02:57 AM] antisyntax#0000 and im terribly sleep deprived as its 4am right now, so yea... [29-Nov-24 02:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Nah, no shit {Reactions} ๐Ÿ†’ [29-Nov-24 02:57 AM] antisyntax#0000 i was yawning 6 hours ago [29-Nov-24 02:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 You do you {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [29-Nov-24 02:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Just pointing out, that at this time of the game, a 3rd ship is really expensive [29-Nov-24 02:57 AM] antisyntax#0000 tru [29-Nov-24 02:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™m have multiple plans I would need a ship for, which I delay atm, just for that reason [29-Nov-24 02:58 AM] antisyntax#0000 i plan on getting a fourth base before a third ship [29-Nov-24 02:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Ore transport is โ€ฆ a thing [29-Nov-24 02:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Good little profit for beginners, but hardly doable due to shipping [29-Nov-24 02:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And often not really worth it for bigger players, who have the capacity ๐Ÿ˜… [29-Nov-24 03:00 AM] antisyntax#0000 true [29-Nov-24 06:27 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It is good to see that our that our in-house #bankers are making good use of my tools. (FYI : an updated sheet was dropped via https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1247251299620225087/1307774936060002304 , which fixed a few bugs). There are two ways to increase your daily ROIs... 1) Increase the #thickness of the loans. (I.e. more money dolled out for HQ/ship/buffer upgrades). 2) Increase the #length of the loans. (I.e. more terms, up to the max that can be had via in-game CONTD buffers --- **stable** and **annuity** type loans are actually compounding in nature, whereas **interest** loans are simple interest, over the loan term. --- glhf?) [29-Nov-24 07:48 PM] jvaler#0000 yes i absolutely love your calculator, and ty again @jcheung for the bugfixing [29-Nov-24 07:48 PM] jvaler#0000 your calc is one of the reasons i opened up my loan offer lol [29-Nov-24 07:48 PM] jvaler#0000 makes it so much easier to understand [29-Nov-24 07:49 PM] jvaler#0000 and faster to test loan parameters [29-Nov-24 07:51 PM] jcheung#0000 was an easy fix, the hard part would have been making it ๐Ÿ˜‰ [30-Nov-24 08:34 AM] laaxus#0000 I remember that we talked about about Antares being so expensive [30-Nov-24 08:34 AM] laaxus#0000 but honestly, it seems like MOR is the most expensive cx to me [30-Nov-24 08:34 AM] laaxus#0000 Maybe it's only for what I'm producing [30-Nov-24 08:35 AM] laaxus#0000 but I get much larger return by just exporting there [30-Nov-24 08:35 AM] jvaler#0000 that's always been morian propaganda ๐Ÿ™„ [30-Nov-24 08:36 AM] jvaler#0000 (i have no idea i have no reason to interact with that CX lol) [30-Nov-24 08:41 AM] realharvey#0000 But when evverything is more expensive there is it even worth getting that currency? [30-Nov-24 08:44 AM] jcheung#0000 some input materials are cheaper up there [30-Nov-24 08:44 AM] jcheung#0000 that said it's so damn far i only go out there because i end up there for other reasons [30-Nov-24 08:44 AM] laaxus#0000 The FX rate is close enough to 1 [30-Nov-24 08:45 AM] laaxus#0000 and you can pay large bill in any currency (shipbuilders and other) [30-Nov-24 09:56 AM] jvaler#0000 you can also ship IDC/EDC to convert currencies [30-Nov-24 10:33 AM] astra1414#0000 antares wins again [30-Nov-24 11:17 AM] avalock#0000 antares stays winning [30-Nov-24 11:18 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1312467823762604053/4uaklb.jpg?ex=6814fe69&is=6813ace9&hm=be7800edcada5866810677ad10a21d5a437bcf812fb91cf1e923317741abbefc& [30-Nov-24 11:21 AM] avalock#0000 Wruff :3 [30-Nov-24 02:43 PM] evov#0000 Region cost of consumes - Cost per 100 workers per day {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1312519296026677321/image.png?ex=68148599&is=68133419&hm=dfc64b91671c84ee428e75935d4895e9eccf600d654d67fadba9094e477941d9& {Reactions} ๐Ÿง [30-Nov-24 02:43 PM] tanda#0000 Interesting [30-Nov-24 02:43 PM] tanda#0000 ANT is more expensive than MOR for PIO, SET, and SCI [30-Nov-24 02:44 PM] tanda#0000 cheaper on TEC and ENG [30-Nov-24 02:44 PM] evov#0000 It makes a difference, just not a huge difference. [30-Nov-24 02:47 PM] marat_sh#0000 ANT is not orange ๐Ÿ™ƒ my ocd [30-Nov-24 02:48 PM] marat_sh#0000 but very cool insight [30-Nov-24 02:48 PM] evov#0000 Relative Fab prices - {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1312520759951757372/image.png?ex=681486f6&is=68133576&hm=5cc37002365e8ee5f7b10915b9a792d9e0ce64a6ab2d6807092dd84be484b656& [30-Nov-24 02:49 PM] evov#0000 HRT is cheapest for consumes, most expensive for repairs imo. [30-Nov-24 02:50 PM] evov#0000 On average - I find BEN to be the cheapest area. But it really depends on what you're dealing with. [01-Dec-24 09:47 AM] jvaler#0000 @cruelcoin welcome to hermes!!1! [01-Dec-24 09:48 AM] jvaler#0000 we've got a sizeable reserve population but lmk if you need a program [01-Dec-24 11:56 AM] laaxus#0000 How can MOR sfk be so cheap ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1312839743678976053/image.png?ex=6815074a&is=6813b5ca&hm=6b4844320f01c4a7aea7ecd3ad10560a8743ef32667c8e87ab17754b6a3a8cd1& [01-Dec-24 11:56 AM] laaxus#0000 I have not done the math, but it feels like they're selling at a loss ? [01-Dec-24 12:04 PM] jvaler#0000 they probably are [01-Dec-24 12:04 PM] jvaler#0000 SFK.AI1 used to be sold at a loss for way too long too [01-Dec-24 12:05 PM] jvaler#0000 people just produce stuff without thinking about it [01-Dec-24 12:05 PM] jvaler#0000 including me [01-Dec-24 12:05 PM] tanda#0000 Right now what I'm seeing for COGM is like 53/unit [01-Dec-24 12:05 PM] tanda#0000 so not at a loss yet, but BEN is getting real close [01-Dec-24 12:09 PM] laaxus#0000 If I was a rich Antarean imperialist, I'd buy all of that and drop it at ant {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1312843089395712210/image.png?ex=68150a67&is=6813b8e7&hm=8e16287e7d94639cdd109aaf6cd2bbfbb02e55cb8ba358557bf3d6f2d87a5e76& [01-Dec-24 12:10 PM] laaxus#0000 alas, I'm only an Antarean imperialist [01-Dec-24 12:13 PM] tanda#0000 That's literally not much? [01-Dec-24 12:13 PM] laaxus#0000 my finance are thight currently [01-Dec-24 12:14 PM] laaxus#0000 @jvaler would you give me a small loan of 1M at 0% interest so that I can do something funny ? [01-Dec-24 12:14 PM] jvaler#0000 this seems like a regular business expense, i think the 3% should still apply [01-Dec-24 12:15 PM] jvaler#0000 but 3% isn't much as long as the term is short [01-Dec-24 12:16 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1312844912936357898/image.png?ex=68150c1a&is=6813ba9a&hm=e86343303d4aefc8338843c24840d511f8b599dac702abd2976456c46d3be770& [01-Dec-24 12:17 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/lemongrab-adventure-time-unacceptable-acceptable-gif-24708423 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/lemongrab-adventure-time-unacceptable-acceptable-gif-24708423 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Pdgqr_2tEXZ9Dgh-yciGuK1QhnfHLW5S-YfkpzUaaOA/https/media.tenor.com/ooyvFsSEQ_8AAAAe/lemongrab-adventure.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Œ [01-Dec-24 12:17 PM] laaxus#0000 sending you a cont {Reactions} โœ… [01-Dec-24 12:18 PM] laaxus#0000 I'll lose money on this, but fun + antares development make it worth it [01-Dec-24 12:20 PM] jvaler#0000 the bit is most important [01-Dec-24 12:22 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1312846374533992478/image.png?ex=68150d77&is=6813bbf7&hm=e16e73181208e355838057f3ee2e38b9dadf24d584a2c4bfdc7a695ff1bcc90a& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฉ [01-Dec-24 12:34 PM] tanda#0000 Is this a bad time to say I just started SFK production again? [01-Dec-24 12:36 PM] laaxus#0000 Well, I'll rely on yulun for the shipping, so IDK when the SFK will reach ANT [01-Dec-24 12:36 PM] laaxus#0000 but I'm planning to sell it at 60 [01-Dec-24 12:36 PM] tanda#0000 ah, alright. I'm planning on maintaining 75/unit or thereabouts [01-Dec-24 12:38 PM] laaxus#0000 honestly, 75 seems like a more than fair price for production [01-Dec-24 12:40 PM] tanda#0000 That market's been really slow for a long time. I populated it just to keep my FS busy (after that one time it literally empited), but it is not near and dear to my heart [01-Dec-24 12:42 PM] laaxus#0000 if the 1700/7d stay constant, 25k is 15 weeks of consumptions [01-Dec-24 12:44 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 MOR has better FEO access [01-Dec-24 12:49 PM] tanda#0000 So I am desperately starting to hate my Hephaestus base at this point [01-Dec-24 12:50 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1312853240601116792/image.png?ex=681513dc&is=6813c25c&hm=e2d0949b4012e8da6fa306b9b28dcabdb173118b8aca1daa0378aa739e056293& [01-Dec-24 12:50 PM] tanda#0000 Literally only slightly more profitable than a base that is 38% filled out [01-Dec-24 12:51 PM] laaxus#0000 Oo {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1312853520369582090/image.png?ex=6815141e&is=6813c29e&hm=e853fa3e68ea34341e8b79da743ad093febeab9fd7284f3707b413fcdd58d321& [01-Dec-24 12:51 PM] laaxus#0000 so it seems [01-Dec-24 12:55 PM] tanda#0000 Strongly thinking about replacing my Hephaestus base with the following base pair: https://prunplanner.org/shared/9b129e07-a57a-4914-b4ce-cf9b71c36106 https://prunplanner.org/shared/855c96b8-5aaa-46de-b13f-53746863255b {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/9b129e07-a57a-4914-b4ce-cf9b71c36106 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/855c96b8-5aaa-46de-b13f-53746863255b PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [01-Dec-24 12:55 PM] tanda#0000 thoughts? [01-Dec-24 12:57 PM] laaxus#0000 I'd be carefull with ppf [01-Dec-24 12:57 PM] laaxus#0000 there's little volume [01-Dec-24 12:57 PM] tanda#0000 Yeah, I can see the issues. It's very closely balanced with the other base, though {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1312855235248656414/image.png?ex=681515b7&is=6813c437&hm=b34e6c39971b4f0e3ed94eeb8a841272c6e2ec52f0f233d0a29776e71f112470& [01-Dec-24 12:58 PM] laaxus#0000 I do have ppf, but I don't think I'd make that choice [01-Dec-24 12:58 PM] laaxus#0000 for example, I'm producing PSM [01-Dec-24 12:58 PM] laaxus#0000 but EVO is the ONLY buyer [01-Dec-24 12:58 PM] marat_sh#0000 ppf is good only for PSMs and HD production [01-Dec-24 12:59 PM] laaxus#0000 honestly, just put FP [01-Dec-24 12:59 PM] laaxus#0000 Manuf sucks atm [01-Dec-24 12:59 PM] marat_sh#0000 PSMs are also volatile. You can't sell for weeks and sell everything in one day [01-Dec-24 12:59 PM] laaxus#0000 exactly [01-Dec-24 01:00 PM] tanda#0000 The majority of the setup is designed to feed into the Phobos base, so I expect almost no build up of PSS/PSM/PSL [01-Dec-24 01:00 PM] marat_sh#0000 yeah I see manufacturing like for our own consumption [01-Dec-24 01:00 PM] marat_sh#0000 exception is CLF [01-Dec-24 01:00 PM] tanda#0000 actually, if I assign the 5th expert on Phobos, I turn into a consumer of it [01-Dec-24 01:01 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1312856037669470299/image.png?ex=68151677&is=6813c4f7&hm=34f1f86e7cfe03d9580a41cb796dd45e448ee7d2b81bbc8135dbfbd4af2c5e8b& [01-Dec-24 01:01 PM] laaxus#0000 just put fp [01-Dec-24 01:01 PM] tanda#0000 oh I know [01-Dec-24 01:01 PM] laaxus#0000 that's what I'm gonna do next time I have to repair hepha [01-Dec-24 01:01 PM] tanda#0000 but I find that boring and it's something I'm pushing *other* people to do [01-Dec-24 01:01 PM] marat_sh#0000 755t /d ๐Ÿ’€ [01-Dec-24 01:02 PM] laaxus#0000 as long as you produce what you consume you will be ok [01-Dec-24 01:02 PM] marat_sh#0000 there is a new player on Phobos that I pointed into DW production for now ๐Ÿ˜… [01-Dec-24 01:02 PM] tanda#0000 good, we need bases like that. I just personally don't want to do it [01-Dec-24 01:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I buy PSM [01-Dec-24 01:03 PM] marat_sh#0000 told that it's not optimal but for now it's good cash at the beginning [01-Dec-24 01:04 PM] laaxus#0000 ah you migth be the guy buying my psm [01-Dec-24 01:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 that is true ^ [01-Dec-24 01:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I donโ€™t buy from the CX usually [01-Dec-24 01:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I go straight to the source [01-Dec-24 01:04 PM] laaxus#0000 someone is buying my psm on the cx, I just don't remember who [01-Dec-24 01:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Technically my PSM/PSL consumption is 3 whole bases of PPFs worth {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [01-Dec-24 01:20 PM] laaxus#0000 BTW [01-Dec-24 01:21 PM] laaxus#0000 if anybody find that another product is unfairly (they're probably cheating) cheaper elsewhere, you can tell me, I might do something about it (as long as it sells at least a bit) [01-Dec-24 01:26 PM] marat_sh#0000 I saw you droped a HAL EXT. Are you gonna need more? I am expanding it (will be ready in a few days) to 3-permit HAL extraction [01-Dec-24 01:27 PM] marat_sh#0000 for internal sales will list it at 300/u (or lower we will see) [01-Dec-24 01:30 PM] laaxus#0000 I expanded my halcyon base to a full hal base [01-Dec-24 01:30 PM] laaxus#0000 for now, I'll consume exactly what I'm producing [01-Dec-24 01:30 PM] laaxus#0000 but thanks ! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [01-Dec-24 01:52 PM] jvaler#0000 oh wtf {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1312868914744655983/image.png?ex=681479b5&is=68132835&hm=5330572f71dba02c882814974b1cb760136aea45b0101171f8a39c22bb74792d& [01-Dec-24 01:52 PM] jvaler#0000 okay maybe i should finally change something [01-Dec-24 01:54 PM] tanda#0000 from what I can tell it's a huge issue with expensive inputs and cheap as shit outputs [01-Dec-24 01:54 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1312869403712557066/image.png?ex=68147a29&is=681328a9&hm=96d37f260dd4d29db640210e6e10866ec09922e34f09f4600433ec0f2f4aca3f& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1312869404186247300/30r1af.webp?ex=68147a29&is=681328a9&hm=576d749a0d64472a6e63508da8ad4ac0ed011309b10e74a0377475e2e582adea& [01-Dec-24 01:54 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1312869482666131516/image.png?ex=68147a3c&is=681328bc&hm=3f50cc7327efa8633cb35ea0b1cdeeb9125ecf8e371d18aae2fce861a0ba5211& [01-Dec-24 01:54 PM] tanda#0000 For reference, what I'm making [01-Dec-24 01:59 PM] marat_sh#0000 I / MG ๐Ÿ’€ [01-Dec-24 02:00 PM] tanda#0000 Iodine isn't even the problem, lol [01-Dec-24 02:00 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1312871011171045497/Screenshot_2024-12-01_120015.png?ex=68147ba9&is=68132a29&hm=4f637a34b14db94f891aee0f9020192c010994c77073957552e29a3707b61754& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1312871011452190782/Screenshot_2024-12-01_120024.png?ex=68147ba9&is=68132a29&hm=8ad83b2a4c01518d9b1394df007c6d1b442778d57d8af83cbfdc97111fa407d8& [01-Dec-24 02:01 PM] tanda#0000 the market is is the issue, since Septin's been sitting right there for weeks now [01-Dec-24 02:04 PM] jvaler#0000 wait wuh {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1312872024963682467/image.png?ex=68147c9a&is=68132b1a&hm=55531b5a644ca8d59f397b3de90a5d92aadfb47930d3143dc698b4d9fe22dd1b& [01-Dec-24 02:05 PM] jvaler#0000 rprun uses 7d average right...? [01-Dec-24 02:05 PM] jvaler#0000 wait maybe rprun uses universe and not AI1 [01-Dec-24 02:05 PM] laaxus#0000 I couldn't find the settings for that [01-Dec-24 02:05 PM] laaxus#0000 in rprun [01-Dec-24 02:05 PM] jvaler#0000 it's not listed, it's just something i remember razenpok saying [01-Dec-24 02:06 PM] marat_sh#0000 I use PP7D_AI1 [01-Dec-24 02:07 PM] jvaler#0000 7d universe is even higher... wtf is causing rprun to have the profits so low, or what's causing prunplanner to be so high [01-Dec-24 02:07 PM] marat_sh#0000 also EXO market is very thin since I left [01-Dec-24 02:07 PM] jvaler#0000 i even have my PE set to sell at 6.5/u [01-Dec-24 02:08 PM] jvaler#0000 it's not like rprun knows i sell my MCG for 0 AIC/u... [01-Dec-24 02:08 PM] marat_sh#0000 Sometimes I double check. I use target price * day_production - COGM * day_production [01-Dec-24 02:10 PM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-what-you-deleted-gus-breaking-bad-gif-25966954 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-what-you-deleted-gus-breaking-bad-gif-25966954 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/9Kw6LeQFxMU2rlwzDlyMuuULNLYM3KgizmTBzXccmjU/https/media.tenor.com/mUbCuUMFbzQAAAAe/i-saw-what-you-deleted-gus.png [01-Dec-24 02:11 PM] jvaler#0000 wait... i set prunplanner to price MCG at 0 and it's only 4k/d off of rprun {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1312873647056093274/image.png?ex=68147e1d&is=68132c9d&hm=477c82dcc7cf5d9323b82e2b5f0c44808c8f3e73ee6e403929b50310651643d6& {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [01-Dec-24 02:11 PM] jvaler#0000 does it know?? [01-Dec-24 02:11 PM] jvaler#0000 @razenpok does rprun know the price i sell my goods at to calculate XIT FINPR? [01-Dec-24 02:42 PM] razenpok#0000 No [01-Dec-24 02:42 PM] razenpok#0000 iirc you've added MCG to ignored items in XIT SET FIN [01-Dec-24 02:43 PM] jvaler#0000 ........... i can't believe i forgot {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [01-Dec-24 02:43 PM] jvaler#0000 that's embarassing [01-Dec-24 03:16 PM] jcheung#0000 oopsies [01-Dec-24 03:32 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Thank you, happy to be there. [01-Dec-24 03:33 PM] cruelcoin#0000 I hadn't checked out the population report before i set up the base, my mistake. I need 1120 and have 276....oops. [01-Dec-24 03:33 PM] cruelcoin#0000 I would love a program, please and thank you! [01-Dec-24 03:33 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Let me know what i can contribute to it [01-Dec-24 03:56 PM] jvaler#0000 program for what? [01-Dec-24 06:52 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Anything that would encourage population growth, sorry, i'm unsure what that might be? Otherwise, food production is good! [01-Dec-24 06:52 PM] jvaler#0000 as in which kind of population do you need [01-Dec-24 06:53 PM] jvaler#0000 PIO? SET? [01-Dec-24 06:53 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Pioneers [01-Dec-24 06:53 PM] jvaler#0000 gotcha [01-Dec-24 06:53 PM] cruelcoin#0000 I just got up to 912/1120 in the new pop report [01-Dec-24 06:53 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Lovely jubbly [01-Dec-24 06:56 PM] jvaler#0000 okay you should have all the PIO you need by next POPR [01-Dec-24 06:56 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Looks like it. Cheers. Hadn't expected that influx [01-Dec-24 06:57 PM] jvaler#0000 hmm [01-Dec-24 06:58 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah even the natural PIO immigration is really high just from you employing the ones you have [01-Dec-24 06:58 PM] jvaler#0000 ~+450 from 1 cycle [01-Dec-24 06:59 PM] jvaler#0000 although if you're only short 200 idk why it says 500 open jobs... there's some quirk about the open jobs stat that i can never seem to remember [01-Dec-24 07:00 PM] jvaler#0000 OH i get it, you had to build your base before POPR ticked over, so the previous period had a bunch of open jobs that were already going to get filled by the existing population [01-Dec-24 07:00 PM] jvaler#0000 and the open jobs is always behind by 1 cycle or something [01-Dec-24 07:01 PM] jvaler#0000 nvm this is all unimportant, you'll get your PIO in a week =P [01-Dec-24 07:01 PM] cruelcoin#0000 The more to learn [01-Dec-24 07:01 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Cheers [01-Dec-24 07:01 PM] cruelcoin#0000 10 chat messages on global owners in the guts of a year? [01-Dec-24 07:01 PM] cruelcoin#0000 Slow news year...... [01-Dec-24 07:15 PM] jvaler#0000 what, on hermes? [01-Dec-24 07:16 PM] tanda#0000 You should see some of the planets I'm on [01-Dec-24 07:16 PM] tanda#0000 6 total messages since planet founding [01-Dec-24 07:16 PM] jvaler#0000 lolol [01-Dec-24 07:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think Iโ€™m on a planet with no messages [01-Dec-24 09:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The post turkey day PrUnopacalypse is wild [01-Dec-24 09:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1312991595334729778/Screenshot_2024-12-01_195944.png?ex=6814ebf6&is=68139a76&hm=8fb1f7657865fd54c8d698e0fef5ac36f5c169aa2bdcc89fc1b7dfdeeb01de15& [01-Dec-24 09:59 PM] tanda#0000 ooof [01-Dec-24 10:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 heh at least I've got 10 mil to throw at the problem [01-Dec-24 10:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh and best part nascent is overflowing [01-Dec-24 10:00 PM] tanda#0000 see, this is one reason I want spreadsheets to help me manage my empire [01-Dec-24 10:00 PM] tanda#0000 they still work on mobile [01-Dec-24 10:00 PM] tanda#0000 I can't get a BURN for mobile {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [01-Dec-24 10:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah but mobile is garbo [01-Dec-24 10:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I can't get shit to work [01-Dec-24 10:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 at least I had like 8K DW to pick up [01-Dec-24 10:02 PM] tanda#0000 the only thing I need to work on mobile is inventory transfer and flight buffers [01-Dec-24 10:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 fair [01-Dec-24 10:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 INV transfers aren't undo able [01-Dec-24 10:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but man mobile flight planning makes me wanna scrape out me eyeballs with a spoon [01-Dec-24 10:03 PM] tanda#0000 they really just need to redesign the bars is all {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [01-Dec-24 10:03 PM] tanda#0000 if they made it so it was clickier or there was a literal textbox for the setting it would work great {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [01-Dec-24 10:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 100% [01-Dec-24 10:03 PM] tanda#0000 but no, Mr. Fat Thumbs here keeps clicking into fuel tanks [01-Dec-24 10:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and then it resets everything [01-Dec-24 10:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/super-hero-bubbles-ppg-power-puff-girls-mad-gif-17920840 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/super-hero-bubbles-ppg-power-puff-girls-mad-gif-17920840 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/F9w_ksdGJxocIMZzGGL2NgTEEBH-FqFi6MJptWejsXk/https/media.tenor.com/g8nHqrGntgkAAAAe/super-hero-bubbles.png [02-Dec-24 01:25 AM] jvaler#0000 https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/monthly-economic-report-2024-11/6770?u=molp {Embed} https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/monthly-economic-report-2024-11/6770?u=molp Monthly Economic Report 2024 11 Hereโ€™s the latest monthly economic report! Last reports: Monthly Economic Report - 2024 10 Monthly Economic Report - 2024 08 Monthly Economic Report - 2024 07 Monthly Economic Report - 2024 06 Monthly Economic Report - 2024 05 Monthly Economic Report - 2024 04 Monthly Economic Report - 2024 03 Monthly Economic Report - 2024 02 Monthly Econ... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/rCGEOZZFGPiz50UXdEZPwJqFNjqJjsitRWsG5c4H3Bg/https/com.prosperousuniverse.com/uploads/default/optimized/2X/7/71822f9ef9c6ecdac65c0ca6483120d06a19d831_2_219x1024.jpeg [02-Dec-24 02:04 AM] evov#0000 The workers manning my 20 PPF's find your comments near sighted ๐Ÿ™‚ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1313053055280877648/image.png?ex=68147c73&is=68132af3&hm=4a3414862cbf03f64e0e5083f86bc0e75e6eeb37db1eeed7046eb4c1a4e39757& [02-Dec-24 04:22 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Yup. Saw your message about chat being like archaeology [02-Dec-24 07:20 AM] marat_sh#0000 You are in ship building business ๐Ÿ˜… when you have 1-2 bases PPF isnโ€™t that great [02-Dec-24 07:23 AM] laaxus#0000 when it's not for your own production, ppf are not great because there's close to no volume on the cx [02-Dec-24 07:44 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Sell the stuff at the right price, and you will get buyers! \o/ [02-Dec-24 08:07 AM] marat_sh#0000 you can't sell my HAL even at 40/u just because I make my own HAL ๐Ÿ˜… PSMs were traded pretty low (30-40k per day for a base) not sure how it is now [02-Dec-24 08:09 AM] marat_sh#0000 problem is that it's required in large quantities and very inconsistent since it goes to production of crew quarters which are only needed in specific amount [02-Dec-24 08:57 AM] realharvey#0000 Roh's statement is right. But due to low player count the "you will get buyers" part can take quite a while. I check out opportunities for new bases like once a month and if there is a well priced input good in decent stock I'll decide to source it from the cx instead of doing it myself [02-Dec-24 08:59 AM] marat_sh#0000 ๐Ÿ’ฏ % Lower player count doesn't help with the problem [02-Dec-24 09:14 AM] sidepipe#0000 I do wish PPF products were more available on the market because you need really weird amounts of them for electronics. I'm sure there would be enough demand out there for a few bases if all the electronics peeps stopped making their own (I'm part of that problem ๐Ÿ˜„ ) [02-Dec-24 09:14 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'm just tendering some good ol' homage to the sentiments of a few, who usually use price analysis to make their points (**not naming names**). [02-Dec-24 09:19 AM] sidepipe#0000 maybe once I start making BMF I'll put up buy orders for the PPF stuff and see if anyone bites {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [02-Dec-24 09:26 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 But... The overall architecture of in-game economic/production I/Os is definitely not helping... You've usually got your outputs following a hierarchical method of production from lower tiers --> higher tiers... And even when you get to those higher tiers, the applications are incredibly niche. (basically only shipbuilding, high tier POPI upgrades, and HQ fabs, across all connected industries)... This is also underlies the basic consumables, across all tiers, which are usually locked behind higher processes.. [02-Dec-24 09:26 AM] marat_sh#0000 major problem with vertical integration is lack of BIDs [02-Dec-24 09:26 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Farming / Food Industries has a nice mix though. Many basic things get cycled through a PIO workforce, and the rest (even if they require TECs to get the inputs), are then cycled in through SETs, for the final retail products. Other things are much worse... AML/ASM loops? PIOs for extraction/smelting, and then straight to TEC/ENGs for refinement, and then back to say TECs for final retail production. [02-Dec-24 09:43 AM] realharvey#0000 and people dont put up bids because it binds a lot of their liquid cash into that until some one decides "oh thats enough demand lets produce it" [02-Dec-24 09:56 AM] moke.#0000 People are also impatient and will just buy the cheapest that's already there to do whatever quickly [02-Dec-24 10:01 AM] laaxus#0000 Once I'm financely secure, I might put ppf products at low Price on the market to see if people start relying on it [02-Dec-24 10:04 AM] tanda#0000 I've experimented with bids for a while now and usually have to back the bid out after a week to just buy at ask [02-Dec-24 10:05 AM] tanda#0000 it's a whole circular issue [02-Dec-24 10:05 AM] laaxus#0000 Lowstrife is really doing god work [02-Dec-24 10:08 AM] tanda#0000 No kidding. We need people like him and allocater to keep the markets alive, but they're spread real thin [02-Dec-24 10:11 AM] marat_sh#0000 it also the case that we have all information available to us ๐Ÿ˜… The grass is greener somewhere else. Like IRL farmers wouldn't tier down their 2-3% margin business to go and make electric vehicles with 10x more margin [02-Dec-24 10:12 AM] marat_sh#0000 Also there is no ~~competitive ~~ comparative advantage Every player is exactly the same [02-Dec-24 10:13 AM] tanda#0000 Well, not quite. Community is definitely the competitive advantage in this game [02-Dec-24 10:14 AM] marat_sh#0000 comparative advantage sorry ๐Ÿ˜… [02-Dec-24 10:14 AM] marat_sh#0000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage {Embed} https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage Comparative advantage Comparative advantage in an economic model is the advantage over others in producing a particular good. A good can be produced at a lower relative opportunity cost or autarky price, i.e. at a lower relative marginal cost prior to trade. Comparative advantage describes the economic reality of the gains from trade for individuals, firms, or nation... [02-Dec-24 10:19 AM] marat_sh#0000 I also wish that permit area was not a thing, but instead you have 100% organization for productivity and it will decrees the % of organization with additional buildings until you get to -99% organization malice and have to create a new base [02-Dec-24 10:19 AM] laaxus#0000 Honestly, it's hard not to switch a not so productive base Into a more productive one, it's so easy [02-Dec-24 10:19 AM] laaxus#0000 The expert loss is not that great of a pain [02-Dec-24 10:20 AM] laaxus#0000 Now imagine if reaching expert 5 took a year [02-Dec-24 10:20 AM] marat_sh#0000 or have 10 lvls of experts ๐Ÿ˜… [02-Dec-24 10:20 AM] laaxus#0000 People would think twice before destroyint their base [02-Dec-24 10:24 AM] marat_sh#0000 The only comparative advantage I see that differentiates players are HQ location bonus. That's it ๐Ÿ˜… [02-Dec-24 10:25 AM] tanda#0000 anyone had a chance to look at the new economic report? [02-Dec-24 10:25 AM] laaxus#0000 Yes [02-Dec-24 10:25 AM] laaxus#0000 The economic report is made out of economic report [02-Dec-24 10:25 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm 85% sure of that [02-Dec-24 10:26 AM] tanda#0000 I'm just seeing some slices that are interesting to me: [02-Dec-24 10:27 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1313179680832225290/image.png?ex=6814f261&is=6813a0e1&hm=a551f44a33b56e6bcf7abede8ffcdcd52059c24362a96e24037e21221b5524f6& [02-Dec-24 10:27 AM] tanda#0000 Bfabs bought from the MM across the CX's for instance [02-Dec-24 10:28 AM] tanda#0000 Or the fact that somehow ANT sold 12x the number of RAT off the MM compared to the other CXs {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1313179948009394266/image.png?ex=6814f2a1&is=6813a121&hm=46abe9d944280fe03b0af81ff701fd57e2fc7ba80a762952f6855c2f330e30c2& [02-Dec-24 10:28 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/wnWB.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/shocker-shocked-futurama-im-shocked-gif-5296191 I'm SHOCKED! - Futurama https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/BzRSrZRNtwiEvVJhVJJexLyrWHmrIicWuqTs6gUthPQ/https/media.tenor.com/ZyFZFTpTLfgAAAAe/shocker-shocked.png [02-Dec-24 10:29 AM] marat_sh#0000 they might need to rise mm for bfabs again [02-Dec-24 10:30 AM] tanda#0000 my main takeaway was "what's going on over in Insitor space?" [02-Dec-24 10:31 AM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/negativo-gif-24526837 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/negativo-gif-24526837 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/wJIIYDHfSLn7aQzA69m2mjWEza7kXscQVElGK9t2l-4/https/media.tenor.com/O9fb93iAbt0AAAAe/negativo.png [02-Dec-24 01:57 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1313232628626755614/image.png?ex=68147af1&is=68132971&hm=b99756606040ac28667ed71a00bbc79a9b14167ac1fb360314af174d2f072f0c& [02-Dec-24 01:57 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1313232696595709963/EVfh7-1XgAYiKCZ.jpg?ex=68147b01&is=68132981&hm=74b2459f10d582f867e3dcb1a6d06eca684432e5b498bbd6bd452b0e9f15f37e& [02-Dec-24 01:58 PM] laaxus#0000 I sent one ship to the wrong base [02-Dec-24 01:58 PM] laaxus#0000 AAAAAA [02-Dec-24 01:58 PM] jcheung#0000 well [02-Dec-24 01:58 PM] jcheung#0000 get to abort travel now and hope the next leg isn't too far off for a redirect [02-Dec-24 02:39 PM] archielvahr#0000 I think the shenanigans with RAT were me a while ago [02-Dec-24 02:39 PM] archielvahr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1313243073999933580/image.png?ex=681484ab&is=6813332b&hm=17b5e57986f386ead770c2f870070b871b16b061f509d98053a35b0d72ad0e5e& [02-Dec-24 02:39 PM] archielvahr#0000 Did i only buy 12m worth though??? hmm [02-Dec-24 02:40 PM] jcheung#0000 that's mean [02-Dec-24 02:40 PM] igfloz#0000 that's tactical fun ๐Ÿ˜› [02-Dec-24 02:54 PM] tanda#0000 I must not have been paying attention because I don't remember RAT getting that close to the MM last month [02-Dec-24 03:22 PM] archielvahr#0000 that was Aug 2023 [02-Dec-24 03:23 PM] archielvahr#0000 Oh he had buy orders to buy RATs and no sell orders, so it's even worse than people buying stock and reposting it, the plan was to buy the stock and delete the RATs. So by puttins MM Rats into his very high buy order, you can at least get the buy orders off the table [02-Dec-24 03:24 PM] archielvahr#0000 I dunno why the wyper thing specifically became a meme, because there are half a dozen larger occurences of things like that. [02-Dec-24 07:53 PM] tanda#0000 Thank you for the info, that was interesting! [02-Dec-24 09:30 PM] antisyntax#0000 Shoutout to that one unemployed scientist on Nike ๐Ÿคฃ you go bud! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1313346588864680006/image0.jpg?ex=6814e513&is=68139393&hm=01f5ecc25a6c80298f3b4856193586dcfa358f97a68bd10de88b9a4f40afb894& [02-Dec-24 09:34 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/kMHZVfCtri8.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/indeed-professor-hubert-j-farnswort-futurama-certainly-surely-gif-8914790447880703544 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/76ZoIhk3hUW3YOSmtDANTpwLeVcxj-G5yRR0XyO8kRc/https/media.tenor.com/e7eyrgT5jjgAAAAe/indeed-professor-hubert-j-farnswort.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [02-Dec-24 10:32 PM] jvaler#0000 sheesh {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1313362185887678525/image.png?ex=6814f39a&is=6813a21a&hm=23ab25e327a3ac61f6fdcf1e393ff42878d725fb69ed33c778a46a0e9aa02888& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [02-Dec-24 10:34 PM] jvaler#0000 @manhim @finestone if you'd like you two can resend your COF conts, i didn't realize the hermes -> demeter leg of the trip would be this short. ship arrives in 26hrs [02-Dec-24 10:34 PM] jvaler#0000 sorry for the hassle {Reactions} โค๏ธ (2) [02-Dec-24 11:09 PM] antisyntax#0000 https://tenor.com/view/well-damn-steve-harvey-gif-21775642 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/well-damn-steve-harvey-gif-21775642 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/q6Qcp2vgvHHYcSXsOB77hl3O3P7lls9JJwUAP6-ntnc/https/media.tenor.com/E-xwdW3OEvoAAAAe/well-damn.png [03-Dec-24 06:25 AM] manhim#0000 No worries haha. Thanks for the supplies ๐Ÿ™‚ [03-Dec-24 06:26 AM] tanda#0000 sheesh 2mil just in COF [03-Dec-24 08:38 AM] jcheung#0000 can i get in on some of that too? ๐Ÿค” [03-Dec-24 08:59 AM] antisyntax#0000 we gotta do something about the C prices in ANT. Idk how, but we gotta do something. It costs the same amount as AL, which makes it unprofitable for anyone w/o a INC base. New players won't want to make AL if it doesn't make any money. If they buy C at 701 and sell AL at 701, where's the money for consumables? [03-Dec-24 08:59 AM] antisyntax#0000 i mean, i profit off of excess C, but ๐Ÿคท [03-Dec-24 09:03 AM] moke.#0000 You get multiple AL per C [03-Dec-24 09:03 AM] moke.#0000 It's perfectly profitable [03-Dec-24 09:03 AM] antisyntax#0000 oh, yeah that's true [03-Dec-24 09:04 AM] antisyntax#0000 eh looking at the chart i guess its at an all-time low [03-Dec-24 09:04 AM] antisyntax#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1313521283194945546/image.png?ex=6814df05&is=68138d85&hm=30633b11169d5e47f660aff24152580d690d266daee7894381e8b898f2a774c8& [03-Dec-24 09:05 AM] jcheung#0000 i was gonna say. it's recovered nicely from the fuckery [03-Dec-24 09:06 AM] jcheung#0000 .....until everyone decides to make other stuff simultaneously [03-Dec-24 09:13 AM] tanda#0000 Just keep an eye on Nascent PIO unemployment [03-Dec-24 09:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Not really - when I started 3 months ago, 700-750 was a totaly normal price. Back then, allocator even sat on the market and regulated it. I gues after the recent attacks, they left [03-Dec-24 09:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 C market was back then even considered really stable [03-Dec-24 09:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 700 seems to be the natural price people decided for C [03-Dec-24 10:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 a question of perspective {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1313535808065638420/image.png?ex=6814ec8c&is=68139b0c&hm=372211d308a28340411d901a473dc9fa624f47b7ed45906ef962be496b700a8c& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [03-Dec-24 10:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/DRwYoCx6QnP7moQ3e4D23TGUWDon4_aLGGn2AaPT6Gw/https/media.tenor.com/uIXA-brBP9UAAAAe/thanos-perfectlybalanced.png [03-Dec-24 10:16 AM] moke.#0000 Man was it nice selling for 900/ea though [03-Dec-24 01:37 PM] jvaler#0000 a little bit [03-Dec-24 02:09 PM] riseoffilth#0000 anyone got PE on griff {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1313598126443200602/image.png?ex=68147dd6&is=68132c56&hm=cd5d84780592ee4dc54b5f6fc87944d621ad5b24f07399f570f5404158f6db3a& [03-Dec-24 05:58 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 Barbarian Econ must be making a fortune {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1313655655542030406/firefox_EvOFinlFGo.png?ex=6814b36a&is=681361ea&hm=ada83966af8afdf2e58167312215f475c36d6123ec08be288b5bbfb44cdc6f17& [03-Dec-24 06:53 PM] tanda#0000 They seemed to have positioned themselves well [03-Dec-24 06:54 PM] tanda#0000 If they let it get any higher, someone's going to ship over an entire ship of EXO from HRT [03-Dec-24 07:08 PM] marat_sh#0000 I gave some warnings that EXO will rise as soon as I leave the market ๐Ÿ˜… [03-Dec-24 07:35 PM] getonthetrain#0000 we were doing well until someone bought 5000 in one day {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [03-Dec-24 07:35 PM] marat_sh#0000 that's a lot [03-Dec-24 07:36 PM] getonthetrain#0000 yea, more than any other day in the charts [03-Dec-24 07:36 PM] marat_sh#0000 yeah I see that. I usually had 2-3k in stock just in case for that reason [03-Dec-24 08:02 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 was it by chance Barbarian Econ?... [03-Dec-24 08:42 PM] tanda#0000 hey uh [03-Dec-24 08:42 PM] tanda#0000 What's going on here? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1313696952369676368/image.png?ex=6814d9e0&is=68138860&hm=a22be7bb80f165bc232f5a8598c86540763193da31432fca4b1b13eeb8554cdc& [03-Dec-24 08:42 PM] jcheung#0000 Pizza [03-Dec-24 08:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Idk [03-Dec-24 08:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But itโ€™s made me a few million [03-Dec-24 08:43 PM] tanda#0000 @realharvey help? [03-Dec-24 08:43 PM] jcheung#0000 I really wish i didn't need LSE right now and had a surplus instead [03-Dec-24 08:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I could make a surplus [03-Dec-24 08:45 PM] jcheung#0000 I meant so that i could short the market [03-Dec-24 08:45 PM] jcheung#0000 But instead i need a few hundred [03-Dec-24 08:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But *I* could [03-Dec-24 08:45 PM] jcheung#0000 So do it ๐Ÿ˜„ [03-Dec-24 08:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 *only makes LSE* [03-Dec-24 08:46 PM] jcheung#0000 Well [03-Dec-24 08:46 PM] jcheung#0000 That's not shorting :p [03-Dec-24 08:46 PM] tanda#0000 Yeah... I just bought out the LAST of the LSE at 11k [03-Dec-24 08:46 PM] tanda#0000 good luck everybody [03-Dec-24 08:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Welp [03-Dec-24 08:47 PM] jcheung#0000 Quick list your remaining LSE at 15k [03-Dec-24 08:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I listed it at 8k [03-Dec-24 08:47 PM] jcheung#0000 ~~Someone desperate like tanda will probably pick it up quick~~ [03-Dec-24 08:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 After Archiel and some others listed theirs for higher [03-Dec-24 08:47 PM] tanda#0000 I'm not desperate any more [03-Dec-24 08:47 PM] tanda#0000 but Archiel is out of stock now [03-Dec-24 08:50 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah that was my personal stockpile ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [03-Dec-24 08:51 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1313699202450067467/image.png?ex=6814dbf9&is=68138a79&hm=3646e7f1d041548f5b79931b63522d4298934a9970839f4bfbe3b0a61952756f& [03-Dec-24 08:51 PM] tanda#0000 This is just pathetic. How do you even push someone into doing LSE if that's the numbers for it [03-Dec-24 08:53 PM] jcheung#0000 Pg is expensive [03-Dec-24 08:53 PM] jcheung#0000 Next base drop will be to make pg [03-Dec-24 08:53 PM] jcheung#0000 ....then i get to decide if I'm stealing back elon from rise [03-Dec-24 08:54 PM] tanda#0000 I'm growing tired of this vertical integration shenanigans. Let me make Rfabs in peace, lol [03-Dec-24 08:55 PM] jcheung#0000 I didn't want to do it [03-Dec-24 08:56 PM] jcheung#0000 But I'm being drawn more and more toward VI [03-Dec-24 08:56 PM] jcheung#0000 ....next I'll be mass producing CL, just you wait [03-Dec-24 08:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well looks like imma make bank [03-Dec-24 08:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 sorry PPP [03-Dec-24 08:58 PM] tanda#0000 understandable, our PG market is 4/unit below the other CXs currently [03-Dec-24 08:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 imma be making 100 LSE/d [03-Dec-24 09:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i didn't ask for cheese {Reactions} ๐Ÿง€ [03-Dec-24 09:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but i got it [03-Dec-24 09:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 big day ๐Ÿฅณ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1313711979575115786/image.png?ex=6814e7df&is=6813965f&hm=662a315c2a45472e7eaad3fb2cac291ab696239094db6d817304772215769e34& {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (5) [03-Dec-24 09:42 PM] tanda#0000 Dang! Grats! [03-Dec-24 10:07 PM] antisyntax#0000 happy prunaversary! [03-Dec-24 10:30 PM] antisyntax#0000 is there any way to see how much a warehouse or infra upgrade will affect numbers? i'm curious how much a lvl 11 warehouse to 12 upgrade would affect available units / company, if its worth investing the materials [03-Dec-24 10:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yes there is [03-Dec-24 10:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but uh [03-Dec-24 10:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i forgot where [03-Dec-24 10:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but long story short [03-Dec-24 10:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 every 2 levels the amount of war one company can rent increases [03-Dec-24 10:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 every level, however, increases the total amount of warhouses available [03-Dec-24 10:37 PM] antisyntax#0000 okay [03-Dec-24 10:37 PM] antisyntax#0000 i'm assuming its every 2 levels = +1 warehouse slot? [03-Dec-24 10:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yes [03-Dec-24 10:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i found it [here](https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/legacy-tutorials/planetary-projects/index.html) {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/legacy-tutorials/planetary-projects/index.html 6. Planetary Projects :: Prosperous Universe Handbook Prosperous Universe Wiki [03-Dec-24 10:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 scroll down a bit shows what each level does [03-Dec-24 10:38 PM] antisyntax#0000 thnx [03-Dec-24 10:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so 11 -> will only add 600 units to rent but not another slot [03-Dec-24 10:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 that is lvl 13 [03-Dec-24 10:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 doesn't show cost tho [03-Dec-24 10:40 PM] antisyntax#0000 dang. max 10 units @ lvl 20 [03-Dec-24 10:41 PM] antisyntax#0000 maybe i'll just rent a ton from ANT and have my logistics hub there or smth [03-Dec-24 10:42 PM] getonthetrain#0000 sorry, I don't know who [03-Dec-24 10:48 PM] jcheung#0000 that's what most people do [03-Dec-24 11:24 PM] realharvey#0000 I sloaed down LSE production because it was more profitable to sell AL and PG ๐Ÿ˜‚ [03-Dec-24 11:25 PM] jcheung#0000 betcha that's what a bunch of people did [03-Dec-24 11:27 PM] realharvey#0000 LSE was way to cheap for a while. Enjoy the new price. ๐Ÿ˜‚ [03-Dec-24 11:28 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bM40P.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/butidontwanna-idontwantto-gif-24051329 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/zzd-YjReMNBaERL5Z_uTjrqxwVVmXcUUjyudKyhkDp0/https/media.tenor.com/VkjhV8VHGD0AAAAe/butidontwanna-idontwantto.png [04-Dec-24 01:41 AM] evov#0000 Didn't realize exo prices were so high. I'll dump 5k into the CX [04-Dec-24 10:12 AM] jcheung#0000 oh boy. time to race POPR [04-Dec-24 10:12 AM] jcheung#0000 2-3 hrs to POPR, 2 hr 15 min to arrive [04-Dec-24 10:12 AM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/ready-to-go-emmanuel-kipkurui-korir-nbc-olympics-eager-to-go-ready-to-run-gif-22949623 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/ready-to-go-emmanuel-kipkurui-korir-nbc-olympics-eager-to-go-ready-to-run-gif-22949623 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/a0tAObohAotgi2hfangHpySQWVo_-wL-61gLv-XAFYM/https/media.tenor.com/aaBGarqyT6EAAAAe/ready-to-go-emmanuel-kipkurui-korir.png [04-Dec-24 10:12 AM] jcheung#0000 do i win, or do i wait a week {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [04-Dec-24 10:12 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Well [04-Dec-24 10:21 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/0g4Y.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/patrick-jumping-into-well-under-water-well-shoot-jump-in-gif-12419642 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/FYqOYKpjH6qPc-usOWc5J7x4sojxEIvGddGM-Ff41GU/https/media.tenor.com/-2qi0zomzRoAAAAe/patrick-jumping-into-well.png [04-Dec-24 10:41 AM] realharvey#0000 last time I lost [04-Dec-24 10:42 AM] realharvey#0000 I even set a reminder but still missed the window ๐Ÿ˜‚ [04-Dec-24 10:45 AM] tanda#0000 For those like me struggling to find more construction planets. Kevin is hitting POPR in about 2 days and has Festival 3 running. I kind expect to have excess SET and TEC starting next week. 2 weeks for the neighboring Ki-401c before I have Gov and can do the same there. But all POPI is fed and COGC will be maintained [04-Dec-24 10:45 AM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜“ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1313909040874782781/image.png?ex=6814f6a6&is=6813a526&hm=d6b42265b153b60635c42e497ca737d780a2134e1f701aaa1d0528b3104d42da& [04-Dec-24 11:29 AM] jvaler#0000 did u hit it? [04-Dec-24 11:52 AM] jcheung#0000 barely [04-Dec-24 11:53 AM] jcheung#0000 had 5 minutes to spare apparently {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1313926105501270066/image.png?ex=6815068b&is=6813b50b&hm=c5cddd31952e31fdb36dd3f5a66dd6d2d6be9f698f2f212cf93187ad201531d1& [04-Dec-24 11:53 AM] jcheung#0000 (when i actually got to my computer) [04-Dec-24 12:04 PM] tanda#0000 So you got all your pop? [04-Dec-24 12:17 PM] jcheung#0000 yes [04-Dec-24 12:18 PM] jcheung#0000 ....not that i have feedstock for another like 4 hours [04-Dec-24 12:18 PM] jcheung#0000 but better 4 hrs than 6 days at 50% [04-Dec-24 12:19 PM] tanda#0000 Yeah, I've been at 28% for like 3 weeks getting POPI fixed {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [04-Dec-24 12:20 PM] jcheung#0000 ...i have like 2 other bases i need to finish building out too [04-Dec-24 12:20 PM] jcheung#0000 >.> [04-Dec-24 12:20 PM] jcheung#0000 they're like 75% complete [04-Dec-24 12:43 PM] riseoffilth#0000 IY-816d is construction [04-Dec-24 03:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yes it is [04-Dec-24 10:53 PM] antisyntax#0000 was curious as what makes wine smart... was not disappointed. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1314092235947769886/image.png?ex=6814f883&is=6813a703&hm=669e0d12f72c7c0f425bb5a4ba299da70b0842402e98d028ff015b25ad8471d9& [05-Dec-24 04:11 AM] realharvey#0000 lol I just had 2 Ships at Nascent. I filled up one and sent the wrong one on its way to ANT. ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [05-Dec-24 04:17 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/classic-back-to-the-future-bttf-marty-mcfly-ive-seen-this-one-gif-19802188 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/classic-back-to-the-future-bttf-marty-mcfly-ive-seen-this-one-gif-19802188 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/uXXTTrXYJpXHGEY47BmcsvF5AsWycPWaEyZbAQJ4eVM/https/media.tenor.com/OF5sOmdQ5C8AAAAe/classic-back-to-the-future.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [05-Dec-24 07:52 PM] tanda#0000 Getting close! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1314409156358176858/image.png?ex=6814ce2b&is=68137cab&hm=0ad835f27767fa03b10a0fcd652850cfa9d93fce0362bda4b3249b14d0191a01& [05-Dec-24 07:53 PM] tanda#0000 and 401c is full! [05-Dec-24 10:42 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1314451828360085524/image.png?ex=6814f5e9&is=6813a469&hm=25681e879048f6faff8fda29408ad99fcd0feb996d2f9596890c182aa22893f6& [05-Dec-24 10:42 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1314451831467806801/image.png?ex=6814f5e9&is=6813a469&hm=0dc25b9ba8a02b6e158402ed74545d1adb99bef6fb4b29b485600beb5c0c0103& [05-Dec-24 10:42 PM] jvaler#0000 what do you call this [05-Dec-24 10:43 PM] tanda#0000 mixed signals [05-Dec-24 10:46 PM] jcheung#0000 where is this [05-Dec-24 10:47 PM] jvaler#0000 global lol [05-Dec-24 10:47 PM] jcheung#0000 i would call this a renege [05-Dec-24 10:47 PM] jvaler#0000 skeleton has been talking quite a bit there about giving out money [05-Dec-24 11:40 PM] archielvahr#0000 ๐Ÿคฆ [06-Dec-24 01:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Lol how much money? [06-Dec-24 01:08 AM] jvaler#0000 scraps :x {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1314488570030850078/image.png?ex=68151821&is=6813c6a1&hm=84e53a22ba6fda756d2369156cba6976c01819d121996689a53c47f9e1122e63& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (3) [06-Dec-24 02:22 AM] realharvey#0000 Saganaki gives out 100k loan with no interest [06-Dec-24 02:22 AM] realharvey#0000 ADI gives 1 mil grants [06-Dec-24 02:22 AM] realharvey#0000 does not look like a competetive offer [06-Dec-24 06:17 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 BEST gives of 500k now. Loans are a questionable business venture if you're a small company... [06-Dec-24 06:41 AM] realharvey#0000 Business build on questionable loans is my second Name [06-Dec-24 11:19 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I thought they were grants {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [06-Dec-24 11:30 AM] roche3950#0000 flip a coin for the interest rate [06-Dec-24 06:40 PM] evov#0000 I just crossed a personal milestone in the game that I felt like sharing. I raw dog the game with no addons so I don't have any "line goes up" graphs showing net worth etc. But, I have been manually tracking my cash + holdings at each of the CX warehouses for a while, doing a stock take and updating once per week. I've finally crossed into the triple comma club of cash + CX stock. My last 3 weeks, and today finally crossing that line. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1314753342433398844/image.png?ex=6814bd37&is=68136bb7&hm=b80d68361f0f03c2e850460b8a098f6e5082a8c3ba4fa0c2a28788e3297491d2& {Reactions} ๐ŸŒญ (2) [06-Dec-24 06:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/stonks-stonk-stonks-meme-stonks-guy-stonks-meme-guy-gif-9875488877428024970 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/stonks-stonk-stonks-meme-stonks-guy-stonks-meme-guy-gif-9875488877428024970 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/TwM9Xt1iNZ4pJd_7cv-yI89H4z4khqdVywZL4nmbq0Y/https/media.tenor.com/iQzIz7prJooAAAAe/stonks-stonk.png [06-Dec-24 06:41 PM] tanda#0000 dang, Evov coming in with the ~~multiple~~ singular billions! [06-Dec-24 06:41 PM] evov#0000 Nah, just single billion [06-Dec-24 06:43 PM] evov#0000 Doesn't include ships/permits/bases/stock on bases etc etc. Just cash on hand and current CX value of stock in the 4 main CX warehouses. But it's been a good "financial health" measurement I've been using for a while now. [06-Dec-24 07:49 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1314770739232243752/image.png?ex=6814cd6b&is=68137beb&hm=65b62a3785d0ee746d6a2da7342ed1bf3db359710e823050e957c415e2c7736e& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [06-Dec-24 07:49 PM] tanda#0000 I can always tell when I have RAT listed [06-Dec-24 07:56 PM] jcheung#0000 meanwhile i can tell when MCG is low in supply {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1314772611321823284/image.png?ex=6814cf29&is=68137da9&hm=3e33689ef36360e0c76dfe0378faafd66df2c2ea7f6b45eb6f84ae53b90ac11d& [06-Dec-24 07:58 PM] tanda#0000 MCG is literally always in low supply in ANT [06-Dec-24 07:58 PM] tanda#0000 we've been almost up against that MM for a while [06-Dec-24 07:58 PM] jcheung#0000 can go weeks lower at 30/u [06-Dec-24 07:59 PM] jcheung#0000 well, i guess 31 [07-Dec-24 03:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 the moment your freshly repaired ship leaves the yard ๐Ÿฅฒ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1314888117655834674/image.png?ex=681491fc&is=6813407c&hm=f6afa92b48350e0515d656e735c70bd9c783f3ab8600bf2dec9b65f7f5e44fc3& [07-Dec-24 03:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 those 100% looked so much better [07-Dec-24 11:57 AM] tanda#0000 I have more MHL sitting around than is on the CX at the moment {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1315014302368792596/image.png?ex=68150781&is=6813b601&hm=3922a494f21dd2e1048ba84f8f746c99aabc9f4f7a50919ae562999d110c80bc& [07-Dec-24 11:58 AM] laaxus#0000 I hope you don't plan to sell it ? [07-Dec-24 11:59 AM] tanda#0000 It's mostly sitting around for the somewhat inevitable ADI member needing it [07-Dec-24 11:59 AM] tanda#0000 I just found it funny [07-Dec-24 11:59 AM] tanda#0000 MOR has 2.7k supply on the CX [07-Dec-24 12:00 PM] jvaler#0000 i just sold some to another ADI member, could i buy 200 to restock myself? =P [07-Dec-24 12:00 PM] tanda#0000 yep! [07-Dec-24 12:01 PM] jvaler#0000 3500/u? [07-Dec-24 12:01 PM] tanda#0000 That's the ADI price! [07-Dec-24 12:01 PM] jvaler#0000 perfect ty [07-Dec-24 12:01 PM] jvaler#0000 sent [07-Dec-24 12:02 PM] tanda#0000 I actually have another 132 to import from A2A [07-Dec-24 12:03 PM] jvaler#0000 woah a2a has presence now [07-Dec-24 12:03 PM] jvaler#0000 that's new [07-Dec-24 12:03 PM] tanda#0000 Yes, Rise started it, I joined in [07-Dec-24 12:04 PM] tanda#0000 closing in on 3 months now [07-Dec-24 02:31 PM] jvaler#0000 boucher chat pointed out that deimos has open plots [07-Dec-24 02:31 PM] jvaler#0000 this is crazy to me lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1315053134363758643/image.png?ex=681482eb&is=6813316b&hm=5e87bd6f747fe2dc6efc6158adcde756dc606d19cf3f3fbff39850b6e0b536ac& [07-Dec-24 02:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Woah [07-Dec-24 02:38 PM] jcheung#0000 quick, everyone bum rush it ๐Ÿ‘€ [07-Dec-24 02:40 PM] laaxus#0000 and there are 40 plots available on harmonia [07-Dec-24 02:40 PM] laaxus#0000 kek [07-Dec-24 02:40 PM] laaxus#0000 anyway, I don't think it's a **good** thing [07-Dec-24 02:41 PM] laaxus#0000 It means we're losing our population [07-Dec-24 02:41 PM] laaxus#0000 but the good news is, we can keep increasing the antarean population by ~~conquering~~ liberating our neighbors [07-Dec-24 02:41 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't think it's just us, it's the game as a whole [07-Dec-24 02:42 PM] jvaler#0000 even montem and vallis are open {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1315055888272330792/image.png?ex=6814857c&is=681333fc&hm=30f9707e7cc6e5dd7595f9813100c8d552100445bee0836aa91679026713be15& [07-Dec-24 02:42 PM] jvaler#0000 well, montem is almost open [07-Dec-24 02:42 PM] jvaler#0000 can't really tell but i bet it's fluctuating rn [07-Dec-24 02:45 PM] jvaler#0000 it probably has midgame players jumping in on the openings cause it's a chem planet vs vallis FE/FEO [07-Dec-24 02:55 PM] tanda#0000 Super not thrilled to see Deimos open, certainly not that much [07-Dec-24 02:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think itโ€™s not bad [07-Dec-24 02:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It just means the inactive peeps have been given the boot {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [07-Dec-24 02:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Who knows how long theyโ€™ve been inactive [07-Dec-24 02:57 PM] tanda#0000 sure, but that also means that there haven't been any major join waves recently [07-Dec-24 02:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah valid [07-Dec-24 03:27 PM] realharvey#0000 otherr folks on AA said that its quite normal in December [07-Dec-24 03:29 PM] jvaler#0000 hmm 360d ago i was 100d old, and i feel like deimos was already full by that point [07-Dec-24 03:29 PM] jvaler#0000 but i don't remember all too clearly so ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ [07-Dec-24 03:29 PM] tanda#0000 I'm not even a year old yet, so I have no frame of reference [07-Dec-24 03:29 PM] jvaler#0000 lolol [07-Dec-24 03:30 PM] tanda#0000 nah frfr {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1315067960246796350/image.png?ex=681490ba&is=68133f3a&hm=ba290b955b9e25c2a02a51a0dd2bb9ff28b074181948d075a562c25b35cf0248& [07-Dec-24 03:30 PM] jvaler#0000 it's coming up soon tho :o [07-Dec-24 03:31 PM] tanda#0000 that it is, I've been keeping an eye on it [07-Dec-24 03:48 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yeah. Most of the starter planets have a revolving-door phenomenon with their plot figures. Most of the people on them are TRIALs (like 80-->90%). They're quickly kicked out once they lose interest in the game and no longer log in regularly. It'll be the third time I've seen Deimos being open/closed to non-starter colonists, since like ~1 or ~1.5 years ago. [07-Dec-24 10:46 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿคฉ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1315177672195702824/image.png?ex=6814f6e7&is=6813a567&hm=fa805b5d9a1a59a6fa13a254e4964e94b609fa43142fdb921d70bdddde82b4fa& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ต [07-Dec-24 10:46 PM] jvaler#0000 premium service [07-Dec-24 11:02 PM] jvaler#0000 the rprun icons are so pretty {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1315181634441711638/image.png?ex=6814fa98&is=6813a918&hm=5135c954b042711da26e80faa1e4a882484f9b6c6e02b450ca91299e62cb621b& {Reactions} โค๏ธ [07-Dec-24 11:55 PM] tanda#0000 Have I mentioned I don't like AEF yet? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1315195135595773973/image.png?ex=6815072b&is=6813b5ab&hm=c49fb1bff4c6e3894ded171902467b6876a78fa1087efb6a98e85aac311ea27f& [08-Dec-24 12:22 AM] jvaler#0000 =( [08-Dec-24 07:13 AM] razenpok#0000 Fair, I couldn't find a fitting one for it [08-Dec-24 07:13 AM] razenpok#0000 I'm open for suggestions from this list https://fontawesome.com/search?o=r&m=free&ip=classic {Embed} https://fontawesome.com/search?o=r&m=free&ip=classic Free Icons | Font Awesome Search all of Font Awesome's free and Open Source icons. Then use them wherever and however you want. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/jCy185buG2GSsw2PBfVbPZuTC53rRcQGwmnYKjO_z1o/https/img.fortawesome.com/1ce05b4b/open-graph-search-free.png [08-Dec-24 08:46 AM] finestone#0000 Here are some of my favorites [08-Dec-24 08:48 AM] finestone#0000 Cloud-meatball, Smog, Mountain-city, Chart-area, Bezier Curve [08-Dec-24 08:49 AM] finestone#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1315329471557140532/image.png?ex=6814db87&is=68138a07&hm=af0e3e9049ad70f3686a0dbb27347f1b873344ba03458aa20bef003c8150ff0f& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [08-Dec-24 08:50 AM] finestone#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1315329642994991174/image.png?ex=6814dbb0&is=68138a30&hm=8d9875ee50cda74fe446b3cebdb9997ecb3bd1f931e551f22d56e08f76085f9e& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [08-Dec-24 08:51 AM] finestone#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1315329921253380167/image.png?ex=6814dbf2&is=68138a72&hm=e786f1d521dc476afa2e48f8d2d3e11fc0d9aa286e95bad81d1ed20ad9236275& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [08-Dec-24 08:54 AM] finestone#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1315330567499153478/image.png?ex=6814dc8c&is=68138b0c&hm=033141c2f0e58f3727cc8b129425ac508876814140556b2422a2b4cfa4a10143& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [08-Dec-24 08:55 AM] finestone#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1315331012758212758/image.png?ex=6814dcf7&is=68138b77&hm=ebb0bb8e3a6b3058cb52256a6171e9df0feab50c050671888f5a631ed48917f8& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [08-Dec-24 08:57 AM] finestone#0000 Do you like any of these? @tanda [08-Dec-24 10:29 AM] razenpok#0000 Are those from the free pack? [08-Dec-24 10:49 AM] finestone#0000 As far as I'm aware yes. [08-Dec-24 10:50 AM] tanda#0000 When I said I hate AEF I did not mean the icon. It's fine as is. But I like cloud meatball, it's funny {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [08-Dec-24 03:39 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1315432696327045150/image.png?ex=681492ea&is=6813416a&hm=d7f6621e63b15666802fa2e15e357c46950b5b2d0fb694c19adffd6cf642ed13& [08-Dec-24 03:40 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-all-right-gif-26702511 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-all-right-gif-26702511 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/hHTeU7iz3goOQr_Joew58GCZVPtrX9pAvJyKGSQApyo/https/media.tenor.com/1F0IiaZR5ckAAAAe/edp-i-mean-its-all-right.png [08-Dec-24 04:02 PM] tanda#0000 Probably the best it's looked in a week {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1315438329738559589/image.png?ex=68149829&is=681346a9&hm=c44678d2898a39f52c9ad9a8735f5158e7ef17fd30ae72d221a6e4142fa4085b& [08-Dec-24 04:03 PM] laaxus#0000 I know how to help you [08-Dec-24 04:03 PM] laaxus#0000 set the green limit to 7 days, not 10 [08-Dec-24 04:03 PM] laaxus#0000 AND POOF [08-Dec-24 04:03 PM] laaxus#0000 more green [08-Dec-24 04:03 PM] laaxus#0000 no need to thank me [08-Dec-24 04:04 PM] tanda#0000 very astute, thank you [08-Dec-24 10:19 PM] jvaler#0000 FF.AI1 MM is in sight... geez [08-Dec-24 10:20 PM] tanda#0000 we're almost as bad as arclight [08-Dec-24 10:20 PM] tanda#0000 time to start importing from BEN [08-Dec-24 10:20 PM] jvaler#0000 SF.AI1 has more between it and the MM, but the price is even closer to it relative to FF [08-Dec-24 10:21 PM] tanda#0000 Well, I can definitely say I'm not going to start producing Fuel personally, do you think this might be worth a CULT project? [08-Dec-24 10:22 PM] jvaler#0000 ~~RRSF in AA is chugging along, maybe something like it could be replicated~~ [08-Dec-24 10:22 PM] jvaler#0000 idek what their setup is tho lol [08-Dec-24 10:23 PM] jvaler#0000 oh nvm that's all in insitor space [08-Dec-24 10:23 PM] jvaler#0000 lame [08-Dec-24 10:23 PM] tanda#0000 Guess I'll need to research fuel [08-Dec-24 10:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 What about Romulon? [08-Dec-24 10:40 PM] tanda#0000 It looks like it fell apart? [08-Dec-24 10:41 PM] tanda#0000 I mean it's a decentish system, but I'm seeing multiple inactive COGCs [08-Dec-24 10:42 PM] tanda#0000 nevermind, looks like one of the governors traveled for Thanksgiving? and no one else filled the COGC? {Reactions} ๐Ÿง [08-Dec-24 10:45 PM] jcheung#0000 i did an oopsies. anyone have CL on elon i can borrow? [08-Dec-24 10:45 PM] jcheung#0000 ran out and i won't have a ship for resupply for 2d [08-Dec-24 10:46 PM] tanda#0000 how much do you need? [08-Dec-24 10:46 PM] jcheung#0000 40ish. [08-Dec-24 10:46 PM] tanda#0000 I can spare that, send it [08-Dec-24 10:49 PM] jcheung#0000 really busy weekend, let my supply slip ๐Ÿ˜ญ [08-Dec-24 10:52 PM] tanda#0000 my supply is actively slipping right now. I had 3 ships out in KI-401 [08-Dec-24 11:03 PM] jcheung#0000 i was also starting up nike and nike metallurgy [08-Dec-24 11:03 PM] jcheung#0000 and that ate a lot of shipping time [09-Dec-24 01:07 PM] pxlfox.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1315756668499394561/image.png?ex=681517e3&is=6813c663&hm=e736b725a6b05cef56b5d7540357590d89ff29368e6112d3347713148225b013& [09-Dec-24 01:07 PM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/marie-kondo-spark-joy-this-sparks-joy-this-one-sparks-joy-netflix-gif-26883533 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/marie-kondo-spark-joy-this-sparks-joy-this-one-sparks-joy-netflix-gif-26883533 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ZKh_upCWgOWzG2lMk5Tk2IAW0JR3Ny8TzGBS381fDmc/https/media.tenor.com/ZV8J41CAN9cAAAAe/marie-kondo-spark-joy.png [09-Dec-24 01:08 PM] pxlfox.#0000 looks like C is clinically dead [09-Dec-24 01:08 PM] tanda#0000 some decently high volume days there too. Glad to see it stabilized [09-Dec-24 01:09 PM] igfloz#0000 I for one am happy that it has stabilised [09-Dec-24 01:16 PM] tanda#0000 Well, I did a second ship for the second most popular name. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1315759052894109706/image.png?ex=68151a1b&is=6813c89b&hm=3c0aa2de148b8e6886867f2b5ed43c800b199474011e80be9cc832a7c7683fa7& [09-Dec-24 01:17 PM] tanda#0000 These character limits on ship names are stifling my creativity [09-Dec-24 01:36 PM] moke.#0000 Only 26 million to get C back up to over 900ea ๐Ÿค” [09-Dec-24 01:39 PM] laaxus#0000 do it [09-Dec-24 01:39 PM] laaxus#0000 or no balls [09-Dec-24 01:39 PM] moke.#0000 More like no money [09-Dec-24 01:39 PM] igfloz#0000 thank god ! [09-Dec-24 01:39 PM] moke.#0000 I am invested elsewhere *for now* [09-Dec-24 01:39 PM] igfloz#0000 nobody wants 900 AIC C [09-Dec-24 01:40 PM] moke.#0000 I do! I sell surplus all the time ๐Ÿ™‚ [09-Dec-24 01:40 PM] igfloz#0000 and be greatful, not greedy ๐Ÿ˜› [09-Dec-24 01:40 PM] moke.#0000 That doesn't sound like capitalism [09-Dec-24 01:40 PM] igfloz#0000 lol, fair [10-Dec-24 03:28 PM] laaxus#0000 Offcially debt free [10-Dec-24 03:29 PM] laaxus#0000 ๐ŸŽ‰ [10-Dec-24 03:29 PM] tanda#0000 yay! I only owe about half my soul to jvaler [10-Dec-24 03:32 PM] marat_sh#0000 only half? ๐Ÿ˜… [10-Dec-24 03:33 PM] tanda#0000 Only because I've paid off half of it [10-Dec-24 03:35 PM] realharvey#0000 so time for more loans then? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [10-Dec-24 03:37 PM] laaxus#0000 I could speedrun the game with loans but now, I like the current pace [10-Dec-24 03:37 PM] laaxus#0000 It's perfect for me [10-Dec-24 03:37 PM] laaxus#0000 Loans would actually make the game less fun {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [10-Dec-24 03:38 PM] marat_sh#0000 ๐Ÿ’ฏ Like... Well I am here... now what? [10-Dec-24 03:41 PM] tanda#0000 I'll take another loan for the next phase of expansion [10-Dec-24 03:42 PM] tanda#0000 only reason I took one last time is I needed 12mil up front to get it done [10-Dec-24 03:45 PM] tanda#0000 I imagine the what now for me at that point would be helping new players out even more [10-Dec-24 03:56 PM] realharvey#0000 make graph go up even more {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [10-Dec-24 03:57 PM] sidepipe#0000 and do fun side projects without fear of going bankrupt [10-Dec-24 03:57 PM] realharvey#0000 I started with a lot of loans in the beginning aswell. Now I am at a point where I can grow naturally nicely. So no more point in loans really currently [10-Dec-24 03:58 PM] marat_sh#0000 I like early game struggles [10-Dec-24 03:58 PM] moke.#0000 ~~Side projects like making C 900+/unit~~ [10-Dec-24 04:01 PM] tanda#0000 Side projects like making MHL 3k/unit? [10-Dec-24 04:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 side projects like making in-demand electronics just a few days after the price crashes on them ๐Ÿ™ƒ [10-Dec-24 04:04 PM] tanda#0000 show me where the hand of the free market touched you [10-Dec-24 04:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 (pinned) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1316163949812781196/Untitled.png?ex=681498f2&is=68134772&hm=0a0c132db547fd2b57c12a2224f5bd80f1608f1743aa6e9285f12c9351ec8d10& [10-Dec-24 04:18 PM] jvaler#0000 Pinned a message. [10-Dec-24 07:43 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 lol [10-Dec-24 07:44 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 why are ANT FF prices so high [10-Dec-24 07:46 PM] tanda#0000 I was going to ask you that [10-Dec-24 07:50 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 ....I am selling my FF in MOR and BEN :) [10-Dec-24 07:50 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 mostly due to logistical bottlenecks. ANT will get FF shipments soonโ„ข๏ธ [10-Dec-24 11:31 PM] tanda#0000 I need to like, sit on my hands or something because 2% liquidity is wayyyyy too low [11-Dec-24 12:33 AM] jvaler#0000 what are ur XIT FIN ratios like lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1316291801585553470/image.png?ex=68151005&is=6813be85&hm=ccddc8f23b026c5d0123c69461775e167f20292b0213fda90d171348f11bf468& [11-Dec-24 12:34 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1316292019571916863/image.png?ex=68151038&is=6813beb8&hm=e2cc47f5a0c624584d6727f5806c88e3b3859dc53f152c5055d87284e3f0a68c& [11-Dec-24 12:34 AM] avalock#0000 you should get a dog Dog = no spending cause you're too busy petting it [11-Dec-24 12:34 AM] avalock#0000 :WeSmart: [11-Dec-24 12:34 AM] avalock#0000 Also what do you play in poe2 [11-Dec-24 12:36 AM] jvaler#0000 oh that's not bad okay [11-Dec-24 12:36 AM] jvaler#0000 the quick assets though... [11-Dec-24 12:36 AM] tanda#0000 yeah, that's what I mean [11-Dec-24 12:37 AM] tanda#0000 I'm fine? I just need to like sit on my hands and do nothing but run my empire for like a month or two [11-Dec-24 12:37 AM] jvaler#0000 a month? a week maybe... [11-Dec-24 12:37 AM] jvaler#0000 what kinda bases do u run [11-Dec-24 12:38 AM] jvaler#0000 cause 2.5mil could be just fine depending on the kind of base [11-Dec-24 12:38 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1316292913365520404/image.png?ex=6815110e&is=6813bf8e&hm=ba2c8854f8ffe775386ae1386cec3ce3bca704e6bb901de59f1f211fc3167dcc& [11-Dec-24 12:38 AM] tanda#0000 If that gives you any idea. I mostly run construction, some chem, farming etc [11-Dec-24 12:38 AM] jvaler#0000 oh that's a lot of cost... 2.5mil is pretty scary for ur situation [11-Dec-24 12:39 AM] tanda#0000 I'll be fine, most of my burns are out 6-7 days and some of them can be straight up ignored for a minute [11-Dec-24 12:39 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1316293238298247168/image.png?ex=6815115b&is=6813bfdb&hm=b3268fb79dce114d600e8ff69200339d04c331114012dc540ac670a74e1024f6& [11-Dec-24 12:39 AM] jvaler#0000 true, but you gotta make sure stuff is selling [11-Dec-24 12:39 AM] tanda#0000 my main money source is INS at this point. I can't keep it in stock, lol [11-Dec-24 12:39 AM] jvaler#0000 oh right lol [11-Dec-24 12:40 AM] tanda#0000 I just need to stop expanding. I took that loan from you for three bases and some POPI work [11-Dec-24 12:40 AM] tanda#0000 since then I've done 4 bases and 2 ships [11-Dec-24 12:41 AM] jvaler#0000 oh hey i think we have the same base count now {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1316293758618173450/image.png?ex=681511d7&is=6813c057&hm=0df20594c4e1e718685723ceb568f26431355b52e7d33a4fe998fdfee8d041d6& [11-Dec-24 12:42 AM] tanda#0000 fascinating how different our empires are, even with a lot of the same planets [11-Dec-24 12:42 AM] jvaler#0000 i can never remember the CoGCs on all these unnamed planets at a glance lol [11-Dec-24 12:45 AM] tanda#0000 lol. If you don't know it off the top of your head, it's probably a construction planet [11-Dec-24 12:46 AM] tanda#0000 I think there's 3 more for me to build upon left in the region [11-Dec-24 12:51 AM] jvaler#0000 are they all for INS? and how many chem planets do you need for that much THF? [11-Dec-24 12:52 AM] tanda#0000 one LAB base supplies enough THF for 5.5 INS bases. I'm still relying on sidepipe for now, but I know I gotta get my own supply [11-Dec-24 12:52 AM] tanda#0000 I only have 4 INS bases right now though [11-Dec-24 12:53 AM] jvaler#0000 oh that's pretty good [11-Dec-24 12:54 AM] jvaler#0000 i think i thought it was worse cause i forgot i have mine planned to make DDT too lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1316296970846867457/image.png?ex=681514d5&is=6813c355&hm=a76644e68bcd2c3452fa9909e9811515c771db63239ffe515591de63e28c6a06& [11-Dec-24 01:38 AM] laaxus#0000 AAAAAAAAA [11-Dec-24 01:38 AM] laaxus#0000 SO MANY OF MY ORDERS GOT FILLED {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [11-Dec-24 01:39 AM] laaxus#0000 I HAVE SO MUCH MONEYYYYUUU [11-Dec-24 01:39 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-sponge-bob-sponge-bob-square-pants-money-happy-gif-14816490 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-sponge-bob-sponge-bob-square-pants-money-happy-gif-14816490 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/4eC7pe2l8WspEk9-Y7v_ydfDKglApfp47xy5NJdma8Y/https/media.tenor.com/VJx5BOzqEZUAAAAe/mr-krabs-sponge-bob.png [11-Dec-24 03:28 AM] finestone#0000 https://tenor.com/view/money-money-money-gif-3641396535535975514 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/money-money-money-gif-3641396535535975514 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/l5rEMKKHAFYziErdKbIsPuIf5dj3e5wznHAdK574Y-w/https/media.tenor.com/MojW2yr1vFoAAAAe/money-money-money.png [11-Dec-24 04:07 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Someone has some fuel on heph? [11-Dec-24 04:08 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I didnt bring in SF to heph and now my new ship is stranded [11-Dec-24 04:41 PM] jvaler#0000 maybe evov? they ship in SF into heph to sell in ship bundles, maybe they have some extra laying around [11-Dec-24 06:25 PM] jcheung#0000 hi. i have some SF there, will 500 be enough to limp you wherever you keep your gas? [11-Dec-24 07:08 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Yea! I'll send the ship to heph [11-Dec-24 08:13 PM] jcheung#0000 send the ship to hep? i thought you needed the fuel at hep ๐Ÿ˜“ [12-Dec-24 12:31 AM] jvaler#0000 at this point i bet the non-FLX AL recipe is just better lmfao {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1316653763821568103/image.png?ex=68150f9f&is=6813be1f&hm=62d5df93378da1f55ea5c5d7f2c5109e12accef728a92cf9a79ff1f88629ae9e& [12-Dec-24 01:14 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Oh i meant i'll send my ship on heph to ANT to refuel. I was basically half asleep while writing that message [12-Dec-24 01:14 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 I dont have fuel on heph to send it anywhere currently ๐Ÿ™‚ [12-Dec-24 01:22 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Sent you a contract for 500 SF on heph at 18 AIC/u [12-Dec-24 01:24 AM] evov#0000 I don't usually deal with flx, but I've got a few thousand stocked in ant, I'll feed them to the market [12-Dec-24 01:27 AM] jvaler#0000 be careful not to put them too low, rakkzi is trying to buy people up to keep them high [12-Dec-24 01:27 AM] jvaler#0000 and they're online rn lol [12-Dec-24 01:27 AM] evov#0000 It's ok - haven't had to sell any yet... already pushed their price down from 899 to 499 [12-Dec-24 01:28 AM] jvaler#0000 omg live CX war ๐Ÿฟ [12-Dec-24 01:28 AM] evov#0000 Not a war. It's a product I don't make and don't care about. Just trying to help with availability. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™ [12-Dec-24 01:29 AM] jvaler#0000 well rakkzi is fighting against availability, i'd call it a war lol [12-Dec-24 01:29 AM] evov#0000 haha he keeps buying them when I post at 499 haha [12-Dec-24 01:30 AM] jvaler#0000 rakkzi: https://tenor.com/view/money-burn-cash-shoveling-gif-5348644 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/money-burn-cash-shoveling-gif-5348644 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/udu1SAwpx01huls3uTxmc3y_58CtUL_Ts3LmM6Vym-I/https/media.tenor.com/MSPxlRhGkJQAAAAe/money-burn.png [12-Dec-24 01:31 AM] laaxus#0000 Just what the Fuck is he thinking [12-Dec-24 01:31 AM] laaxus#0000 He's burning his money for what [12-Dec-24 01:31 AM] laaxus#0000 Is he doing it for fun ? [12-Dec-24 01:31 AM] evov#0000 haha ok I'm all out. Emptied like 5000 flux and he bought them out at about 890 each [12-Dec-24 01:31 AM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/we-do-a-little-trolling-world-we-do-little-trolling-we-do-a-little-bit-of-trolling-gif-24209190 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/we-do-a-little-trolling-world-we-do-little-trolling-we-do-a-little-bit-of-trolling-gif-24209190 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/gagTvyKDlHFflYpxXgijCcwN8nNPt3xCL1ER2kIXozk/https/media.tenor.com/jjns-gZol40AAAAe/we-do-a-little-trolling-world.png [12-Dec-24 01:32 AM] jvaler#0000 i've got 1.6k i can spare lemme join in [12-Dec-24 01:32 AM] laaxus#0000 He doesn't have Infinite funds [12-Dec-24 01:32 AM] evov#0000 I mean - I'd price it at like ... 300-350 tbh. I think it's been underpriced for a long time. I just don't care about it. [12-Dec-24 01:32 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm sure there are plenty ships full of flx going from ben to ant right now [12-Dec-24 01:33 AM] jvaler#0000 FLX is so easy to make that it quickly gets overproduced, underpriced, and then nobody makes it anymore lol [12-Dec-24 01:33 AM] evov#0000 eh, I'll buy another 5000 or so off various cx's and restock my ant warehouse over the next week [12-Dec-24 01:34 AM] jvaler#0000 buy it from ~~castillo-ito~~ moria, fight back =P [12-Dec-24 01:34 AM] evov#0000 What region are they from? GTU - aren't they mostly in MOR? [12-Dec-24 01:35 AM] jvaler#0000 wait... hmm [12-Dec-24 01:35 AM] jvaler#0000 yeah ur right, idk why i remembered them wrong [12-Dec-24 01:36 AM] jvaler#0000 bid order??? my god they've lost it {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1316669999276101673/image.png?ex=681475fe&is=6813247e&hm=a9775431b5914853904521d07ef851b9cea86c0b3fa4baf485a730fc84a90872& [12-Dec-24 01:36 AM] jvaler#0000 `math 6000*898 [12-Dec-24 01:36 AM] FIDO#2937 5,388,000.00 [12-Dec-24 01:36 AM] jvaler#0000 this is hilarious [12-Dec-24 01:38 AM] laaxus#0000 He might be spending its entire money before quitting [12-Dec-24 01:39 AM] evov#0000 Seems fair to me {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1316670657354006558/image.png?ex=6814769b&is=6813251b&hm=93938da3a9dcca2f016e6a7ab5d866a0313a7d60c54e79f0c031cd96965aea82& [12-Dec-24 01:39 AM] evov#0000 Morian scum need to learn that if you fuck with the ANT cx - it fucks back. [12-Dec-24 01:40 AM] jvaler#0000 oh shit :o [12-Dec-24 01:40 AM] laaxus#0000 LMAO [12-Dec-24 01:40 AM] laaxus#0000 Meanwhile, I'm smelting LI like : [12-Dec-24 01:40 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/espresso-classy-pinkies-up-sips-tea-sipping-gif-7250101 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/espresso-classy-pinkies-up-sips-tea-sipping-gif-7250101 classy https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/-h07-DkhAXh2kjHPMXQ5R3S8O45DuBVessrOkHNH1mQ/https/media.tenor.com/hCS1ly00EYoAAAAe/espresso-classy.png [12-Dec-24 01:41 AM] jvaler#0000 loyal antarian soldier ๐Ÿซก [12-Dec-24 01:41 AM] evov#0000 I'll have a ship landing in MOR in like 7hrs.. but I'll be asleep then. So, when I get home from work I'll ship whatever's left over from the 18k I bought in MOR - and bring it back to the motherland! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™Œ [12-Dec-24 01:44 AM] evov#0000 Arclight might have got caught in the crossfire. Acceptable losses imo {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1316671903657885717/image.png?ex=681477c4&is=68132644&hm=865c08544d1c03738c987f6e285e8b592c9b35b2799672ab4cd33319925b8f68& [12-Dec-24 01:44 AM] .shiva.#0000 Ez money [12-Dec-24 01:44 AM] .shiva.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1316671982540161096/Screenshot_20241211-234401.png?ex=681477d7&is=68132657&hm=28c77fb389175191a8ed20ffa7120a6fdb1c3918527472becdd7f0e411d1f68b& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [12-Dec-24 01:44 AM] jvaler#0000 lmaoo [12-Dec-24 01:45 AM] .shiva.#0000 I didn't actually notice the buy order and was just gonna under cut for a bit [12-Dec-24 01:45 AM] .shiva.#0000 Was confused for a moment lol [12-Dec-24 01:48 AM] .shiva.#0000 If only my other 3k wasn't on demos atm [12-Dec-24 01:53 AM] evov#0000 (pinned) For our valiant Antarean Smelters - Stand strong my brothers. Backup is on it's way! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1316674239939481651/FlxReinforcement.jpg?ex=681479f1&is=68132871&hm=148cbe4bb1a6d44d351735037c51b0c80debefa21196b634a5831613ae2c8b3b& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (3) [12-Dec-24 01:53 AM] jvaler#0000 Pinned a message. [12-Dec-24 02:09 AM] evov#0000 Oh dear. He has attacked the other CX's at the same time. But they are not my concern. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1316678378681798696/image.png?ex=68147dcc&is=68132c4c&hm=e5d12088b3b94b58e974cc2b8ac7902c6315378c8a64c4e1c5090f2b7cc282ed& [12-Dec-24 02:11 AM] jvaler#0000 oh wow [12-Dec-24 02:12 AM] jvaler#0000 i'm starting to be concerned this is actually the case lol [12-Dec-24 02:17 AM] evov#0000 I think it's more likely that they feel flx has been under-priced for a long time (I'd agree with that) - and just see's an opportunity to cash in on it. [12-Dec-24 02:17 AM] laaxus#0000 you don't put bid orders at 900 then {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [12-Dec-24 02:17 AM] jvaler#0000 they're far past any possibility of profit [12-Dec-24 02:20 AM] evov#0000 There's not that many buy orders up across the CX's. Maybe th 2k buy order in ANT at 898 was just in reaction to what I was doing with him haha. [12-Dec-24 02:21 AM] evov#0000 I think this is a better reflection of their actual objective.... but who knows. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1316681294754742293/image.png?ex=68148083&is=68132f03&hm=f25becc3f618c68cac375fbb6a0c2de61acf4bac34c946ec334694f54ca6f8dc& [12-Dec-24 02:23 AM] .shiva.#0000 They had a 6k 898 order [12-Dec-24 02:23 AM] .shiva.#0000 I dumped 4k flx into it [12-Dec-24 02:25 AM] evov#0000 At the end of the day, their motivation doesn't concern me, whatever the reason was - it was an economic attack on the ANT CX! We must better prepare ourselves for the economic war that is approaching. [12-Dec-24 02:37 AM] jvaler#0000 PrUn war on terror when [12-Dec-24 03:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Is the war update out, already ๐Ÿ˜ฎ [12-Dec-24 04:16 AM] cptboby#0000 Market pvp [12-Dec-24 04:25 AM] jcheung#0000 sorry didn't see the pings come in [12-Dec-24 04:26 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bSzaK.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/gas-price-memes-2022-prices-gif-25358904 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/G_CTiKA_CNSG5LIR2sKQZ4fio3xvy9UNOlx4jCLAsS8/https/media.tenor.com/t7Q3Uxw1UJgAAAAe/gas-price.png [12-Dec-24 04:26 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Ty very much ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚ [12-Dec-24 09:50 AM] getonthetrain#0000 And the flux war appears to be over [12-Dec-24 09:59 AM] jvaler#0000 not really, prices are still super high [12-Dec-24 10:03 AM] getonthetrain#0000 Bumble removed the buy orders that were keeping prices high [12-Dec-24 10:03 AM] getonthetrain#0000 ya'll can sell at whatever price now [12-Dec-24 10:47 AM] jvaler#0000 oh yeah [12-Dec-24 11:47 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Or sometime capitalized. Wish I'd had my FLX at ANT ๐Ÿ˜† [12-Dec-24 11:47 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Instead we're just playin games up here on BEN {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1316823793116909669/Screenshot_20241212_124010.jpg?ex=68150539&is=6813b3b9&hm=548f88ef043725573cd5ab5718a3bb8dacd12714f8a1e654ede5505f96a93d94& [12-Dec-24 01:59 PM] zillatron#0000 I put that 1k ask at 900 anticipating heโ€™d buy it or undercut me, when he moved the bit to 989 I withdrew it and took his money ๐Ÿ™‚ [12-Dec-24 03:53 PM] jvaler#0000 rakkzi's fight is with ANT, they were probably just trying to prevent cheap imports from other CXs once the saw evov buy up all the FLX from MOR [12-Dec-24 03:56 PM] laaxus#0000 imagine trying to wage a war against the Antares Initiative [12-Dec-24 03:56 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/icant-flamby-bttv-i-cannot-lol-gif-24977725 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/icant-flamby-bttv-i-cannot-lol-gif-24977725 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/AGB3HkVVEYLBj9vfPPhoZoyilFFM4yeseULpUsx54xI/https/media.tenor.com/M4T_OPJpHYwAAAAe/icant-flamby.png [12-Dec-24 03:56 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/risitas-main-dent-issou-laugh-gif-9505807 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/risitas-main-dent-issou-laugh-gif-9505807 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/onZoD6psHHkwvRqDXkwx6y17frZbJUa1EMM6xZM021s/https/media.tenor.com/tVLdN2leevMAAAAe/risitas-main.png [12-Dec-24 03:56 PM] jvaler#0000 :true: [12-Dec-24 08:54 PM] riseoffilth#0000 @evov @jvaler @laaxus i got 10k to throw up, just undercut that fella {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™ [12-Dec-24 08:55 PM] riseoffilth#0000 see trade channel for offer [13-Dec-24 12:31 AM] evov#0000 I think we need like, an economic allert channel or soemthing. Where people can raise the alarms if any sector of our CX is under attack. There's plenty of proud Antarean's with sizable private holdings of a lot of resources, collectively we can stabilize most potential threats - the issue is knowing about it because tbh, I don't spend a lot of time looking through the markets. [13-Dec-24 01:12 AM] evov#0000 Bringing about 13k Flux from the MOR markets back to ANT. eta <2days. [13-Dec-24 01:35 AM] jvaler#0000 i like this idea, it could have a pingable opt-in role too [13-Dec-24 01:35 AM] jvaler#0000 i'll make it in a bit [13-Dec-24 01:37 AM] evov#0000 Not sure if I want to be pinged everytime someone thinks something is too expensive haha. But yeah... I think market price awareness is a good "crowd sourced" comodity, and serves a win win transaction - People with spare stock get to sell into an above average priced market. People looking to buy get availability + price lowered. [13-Dec-24 02:23 AM] laaxus#0000 Do we have any LIO producer at ant ? ๐Ÿ˜… [13-Dec-24 02:23 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317044327842844692/image.png?ex=6814811d&is=68132f9d&hm=7c5a96a4495b596244201dc4083490e660744bfefa9d4ad1c4febd138b23cfb3& [13-Dec-24 02:29 AM] evov#0000 I've got a small amount stocked up. I'll throw it up there in case anyone's desperate. [13-Dec-24 02:31 AM] laaxus#0000 (Confession : I'm the one that bought what remained, it's just that production was not following consumption, so I want the market to react) [13-Dec-24 02:33 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317046690150088784/image.png?ex=68148350&is=681331d0&hm=956a11fa85e4f914fab47f3caf77018437c519c49401bf58656d5ecefccae8cb& [13-Dec-24 04:34 AM] laaxus#0000 Now that my IDC base loan is repaid, I'd like to use the money it prints to create potential markets on the ANT cx [13-Dec-24 04:35 AM] laaxus#0000 For example, I'm planning to produce PPF product at a low price, and put it on the market, even if it's not bought [13-Dec-24 04:36 AM] laaxus#0000 to create a stock, until people feel like they can rely on it [13-Dec-24 04:36 AM] laaxus#0000 And i'd like your thoughts on other potential bases like this [13-Dec-24 04:36 AM] laaxus#0000 With a clear potential for a market, but there currently isn't, because most of it is done internally [13-Dec-24 07:48 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I feel like the only one in town, who wasnโ€™t in the new cool club yet, without any IDC base. It feels like everybody has one. ๐Ÿ˜… But I kinda hate the thought of one. They are just printing money. In a game sense, thatโ€™s great, but as for the markets and communities, thatโ€™s really not doing much. [13-Dec-24 07:48 AM] pxlfox.#0000 (Not judging) [13-Dec-24 07:49 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Either way - I think I want to generally go into resource extraction and refinement, so LIO is something on my radar [13-Dec-24 07:49 AM] laaxus#0000 I decided to only get one (the allocater one) and to use the money it prints to develop antares [13-Dec-24 07:49 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It just takes too much shipping capacity I donโ€™t have as of now [13-Dec-24 07:49 AM] laaxus#0000 i don't see the point of having a full fleet of IDC base [13-Dec-24 07:50 AM] laaxus#0000 but one IDC base allows me to sell at a loss to create market for example [13-Dec-24 07:50 AM] laaxus#0000 or to finance new players [13-Dec-24 07:50 AM] laaxus#0000 such kind of things [13-Dec-24 07:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I know. And I envy you a bit for that ๐Ÿ˜‚ [13-Dec-24 07:51 AM] laaxus#0000 The allocater deal makes things really easy [13-Dec-24 07:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Itโ€™s like telling yourself you donโ€™t need the new iPhone, even though you know itโ€™s great [13-Dec-24 08:03 AM] laaxus#0000 https://discord.gg/rYcURmhw?event=1317129589335789680 [13-Dec-24 08:12 AM] tanda#0000 I also have had the allocater base for a while now. It's a very steady source of income that I use to basically underwrite or base loan requests off of [13-Dec-24 08:12 AM] jvaler#0000 don't worry, i refuse to make an IDC base too. and i'm the coolest, right? =) [13-Dec-24 08:13 AM] sidepipe#0000 Everyone should have an IDC base because Malahat is a cool planet ๐Ÿ˜„ [13-Dec-24 08:13 AM] tanda#0000 I do want to get into MM shenanigans more though. But CBS/M/L not more EDC IDC [13-Dec-24 08:14 AM] jvaler#0000 at least those have more of a use [13-Dec-24 08:14 AM] sidepipe#0000 We all choose our own set of rich and powerful interests to sell out to [13-Dec-24 08:15 AM] tanda#0000 That's kind of the point. I want something that can pivot to help satisfy the market [13-Dec-24 08:15 AM] sidepipe#0000 I was considering making LOG to sell to the MM actually, but itโ€™s gonna need a few bases [13-Dec-24 08:18 AM] sidepipe#0000 But it seems like a natural pivot since I started making all this BWS at the same time that everyone else did ๐Ÿ˜… [13-Dec-24 08:35 AM] marat_sh#0000 I don't ๐Ÿ˜… and not planning to have one [13-Dec-24 08:37 AM] evov#0000 If people really need more LOG in their lives, I might be able to spare a few to put up on the CX {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317138249646346401/image.png?ex=6814d895&is=68138715&hm=ba5c46e21c891c5ea581a55f6732c1cf684390dfd2ddb94d438410c0d8384fdc& [13-Dec-24 08:39 AM] evov#0000 r.e. IDC bases - I think they have a place. I don't like them from a game design aspect - I dislike the zero input nature of them. But . . . they are in the game, and unfortunately because they have very little reliance on anything else, the best way to diminish their relative strength is to get as many people as possible putting down IDC bases until the rest of the economy inflates to match. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [13-Dec-24 08:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Sooo... what I hear is... to kill IDC is to... make more of it? [13-Dec-24 08:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 So I can be a capitalist and a hero ๐Ÿ˜Ž [13-Dec-24 09:05 AM] laaxus#0000 In the short essay I'm currently writing, what seems to become the conclusion is that IDC bases makes everybody wealthier and are an absolute necessary in case of trade wars [13-Dec-24 09:07 AM] finestone#0000 I mean the consumable/upkeep are the input? [13-Dec-24 09:14 AM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, but itโ€™s quite cheap compared to what comes out of the base ๐Ÿ˜„ [13-Dec-24 09:15 AM] sidepipe#0000 I personally think itโ€™s better for MMs to use as much of the economy as possible since they create a basically infinite demand for stuff. But none of the other MMs are even close to the profitability of EDC/IDC in terms of $ per base area per day [13-Dec-24 09:16 AM] tanda#0000 Especially considering shipping costs for things like CBS/CBM/CBL [13-Dec-24 09:18 AM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, for sure. Infinite money should require a lot of ships and a lot of material inputs, not just SCI upkeep and some Afabs {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [13-Dec-24 09:22 AM] razenpok#0000 It's not that cheap to maintain. While my Malahat base is at 56% margin, Halcyon base has way better margin {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317149635260710943/image.png?ex=6814e330&is=681391b0&hm=07f550e18016ae83954175e0d8d41cd23c787d3ce984268b66341ced939be40d& [13-Dec-24 09:22 AM] getonthetrain#0000 it's not that, it's that IDC is basically risk free money [13-Dec-24 09:23 AM] getonthetrain#0000 even HAL has a limit on what you can sell, plus you need to ship it [13-Dec-24 09:23 AM] razenpok#0000 The risk is in the cost of input goods and repair materials [13-Dec-24 09:23 AM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, but you wonโ€™t get rich off a bunch of cheap Halcyon bases with high margin - ROI is meaningless without considering the size of the investment [13-Dec-24 09:23 AM] getonthetrain#0000 again, basically risk free [13-Dec-24 09:24 AM] razenpok#0000 If \*cough\* someone \*cough\* buys out WIN supply, your profits will lower [13-Dec-24 09:24 AM] sidepipe#0000 Thereโ€™s not a lot of places that you can put 20M for a < 20 day ROI in the game (ballpark numbers) [13-Dec-24 09:24 AM] getonthetrain#0000 Plus, EVERYTHING has repair costs and input goods [13-Dec-24 09:24 AM] getonthetrain#0000 so that argument makes no case [13-Dec-24 09:24 AM] pxlfox.#0000 like THAT would EVER happen ๐Ÿ‘€ *wink* [13-Dec-24 09:24 AM] laaxus#0000 > This leads to my first conclusion: > **IDC bases keeps prices high, keeping profitability of bases high, and therefore allows the growth rate of every player in the faction to be high, even for the players that do not possess IDC bases** {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [13-Dec-24 09:25 AM] getonthetrain#0000 false, prices only matter in compared to all prices [13-Dec-24 09:25 AM] sidepipe#0000 Sure it does, I donโ€™t deny that, but I think there are better places to apply that influence on the market [13-Dec-24 09:25 AM] marat_sh#0000 the fact that you can sell crap to people with IDC worth having them [13-Dec-24 09:25 AM] getonthetrain#0000 if everything was cheaper, everything would still move at the same pace [13-Dec-24 09:26 AM] laaxus#0000 This is clearly written in my "essay", but I can't copy paste my 1k word post here [13-Dec-24 09:26 AM] razenpok#0000 That is far from the truth. If an IDC base is smth like 20m, with 300k profit the ROI is almost 2 months [13-Dec-24 09:26 AM] getonthetrain#0000 money benefits those closest to creation, therefore IDC owners benefit the most and inflict inflation upon the rest [13-Dec-24 09:27 AM] laaxus#0000 Once i'm done writing my "essay", would you proof-read me ? @getonthetrain [13-Dec-24 09:27 AM] sidepipe#0000 And you can theoretically achieve that with some other high tech buildings, but not in practice because thereโ€™s not enough demand for the products of those buildings [13-Dec-24 09:27 AM] getonthetrain#0000 sure [13-Dec-24 09:29 AM] sidepipe#0000 My main criticism is that we should have to sacrifice more goods to the infinite money pit, not that the pit exists in the first place ๐Ÿ˜‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [13-Dec-24 09:36 AM] sidepipe#0000 Thereโ€™s basically two levers that the IDC/EDC affect the economy through - driving up the cost of SCI / ENG upkeep, and introducing more money into the system. The first indirectly increases prices for everything else because it drives demand for upkeep items, fabs, etc. The second is inflation and is basically magic to me. But if weโ€™re concluding that the point of those MMs is to drive growth in the economy by being an infinite money pit (which is sort of what Iโ€™ve settled on), wouldnโ€™t it make more sense if it used more stuff, and did so more directly? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [13-Dec-24 09:37 AM] razenpok#0000 If you make the money tap consume a lot of resources, it will lead to an even bigger inflation [13-Dec-24 09:37 AM] razenpok#0000 Since it will leave the economy with more money and less goods [13-Dec-24 09:38 AM] getonthetrain#0000 but you see, the whole of the economy would be involved so everyone is affected and everyone also benefits [13-Dec-24 09:38 AM] sidepipe#0000 Thatโ€™s fine, inflation is healthy for a growing economy [13-Dec-24 09:38 AM] finestone#0000 I think its easier for devs to control money input and nerf it with how it is. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [13-Dec-24 09:39 AM] getonthetrain#0000 the IDC logistics chain benefits only a small portion of the game, with some 2nd layer production during building or repairs [13-Dec-24 09:39 AM] sidepipe#0000 I wouldnโ€™t be surprised if thatโ€™s a big part of why itโ€™s still in the game tbh. [13-Dec-24 09:40 AM] razenpok#0000 That's basically irl money-printing :kekw: [13-Dec-24 09:41 AM] sidepipe#0000 Look, Iโ€™m not saying that EDC/IDC isnโ€™t a good (or at least acceptable) solution to providing the game with currency and some amount of infinite demand so thereโ€™s always _someplace_ to sell your stuff. I just think there can be better solutions (from the perspective of a player) [13-Dec-24 09:42 AM] getonthetrain#0000 Exactly, IDC works - but there are better ways to do it that involve everyone in the game from starter player to OG's [13-Dec-24 09:45 AM] sidepipe#0000 The other MMs exist, I just wish they were way more profitable than IDC so there was a rational incentive to go through all the trouble of making the goods [13-Dec-24 09:45 AM] getonthetrain#0000 That would be a start [13-Dec-24 09:46 AM] razenpok#0000 The problem here is that if you make low-tier MMs more profitable than high-tier MMs, people will just stick with low-tier MMs [13-Dec-24 09:46 AM] razenpok#0000 So it should be other high-tier MMs [13-Dec-24 09:47 AM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, thatโ€™s what I mean - AIR, LOG, stuff like that [13-Dec-24 09:47 AM] getonthetrain#0000 Laaxus and I have said from the start it should be ship components [13-Dec-24 09:47 AM] getonthetrain#0000 which touch the entire production chain and give everyone a chance to benefit from [13-Dec-24 09:49 AM] sidepipe#0000 I think we can all agree that making 300k / day off the RAT MM probably wouldnโ€™t be ideal [13-Dec-24 09:54 AM] sidepipe#0000 I guess I should clarify that i donโ€™t think anyone making non-MM goods is irrational. I just mean IDC is a rational choice over the other high-tier MMs because itโ€™s less work for more money ๐Ÿ˜„ [13-Dec-24 09:56 AM] razenpok#0000 Hmm, I think the problem with having a long chain of materials leading to money printing is supply chain issues. If you somehow disrupt money-printing, it will (in time) lead to deflation, which is bad for economy and trading [13-Dec-24 09:56 AM] razenpok#0000 With shorter chain there's less chance of disruption [13-Dec-24 09:56 AM] razenpok#0000 Noooo, you just called us irrational and we are having a holy war {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317158338378862744/image.png?ex=6814eb4b&is=681399cb&hm=029ff283cda06506204b6c5cc2cc18d6f77a08a5baceff83f072d77cbe4561df& [13-Dec-24 09:57 AM] tanda#0000 Guys guys [13-Dec-24 09:57 AM] laaxus#0000 In theory, there's isn't any difference between IDC and another kind of MM *** as long as the owner reinject the liquidity in the economy*** [13-Dec-24 09:57 AM] tanda#0000 MOR is the enemy. Keep that in mind {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘† ๐Ÿซก (2) blobyes [13-Dec-24 09:58 AM] sidepipe#0000 I think thatโ€™s definitely true but you can compensate for it by making the longer supply chains profitable enough to be worth making them [13-Dec-24 09:58 AM] razenpok#0000 What about supply chain disruption? [13-Dec-24 09:59 AM] sidepipe#0000 Supply chain gets disrupted, prices go up because MM sellers have margin to sacrifice, the invisible hand of the free market steps in and order is restored ๐Ÿ˜„ [13-Dec-24 10:00 AM] razenpok#0000 Ah yes [13-Dec-24 10:00 AM] razenpok#0000 The invisible hand [13-Dec-24 10:00 AM] razenpok#0000 ๐ŸคŒ {Reactions} ๐ŸคŒ (2) [13-Dec-24 10:01 AM] sidepipe#0000 I canโ€™t believe Iโ€™m saying โ€œinvisible handโ€ unironically, but you know what I mean {Reactions} blobyes [13-Dec-24 10:01 AM] razenpok#0000 Supply chain gets disrupted, MM sellers *abandon* making MM goods since they become unprofitable, money supply goes poof [13-Dec-24 10:01 AM] sidepipe#0000 And prices deflate until suddenly MMs are profitable again ๐Ÿ™‚ [13-Dec-24 10:02 AM] laaxus#0000 I described it as "All players are assumed to try to maximize profit" [13-Dec-24 10:02 AM] sidepipe#0000 I donโ€™t think itโ€™d be a more stable market, but itโ€™s a more interesting market [13-Dec-24 10:03 AM] razenpok#0000 In the meantime people sit on their money because in the deflationary economy it's the best way to go [13-Dec-24 10:03 AM] razenpok#0000 But that would be a more interesting market indeed [13-Dec-24 10:06 AM] sidepipe#0000 Plus I think you can mitigate that by having a few different high-level MMs that are all profitable. The current system is theoretically just as vulnerable to that [13-Dec-24 10:06 AM] razenpok#0000 Yep, IDC/EDC are as vulnerable, just less so [13-Dec-24 10:07 AM] sidepipe#0000 Time to buy up all the WIN again to make a point ๐Ÿ˜› {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [13-Dec-24 10:07 AM] razenpok#0000 I think that would actually make things worse, since you will have people spread over different supply chains instead, increasing the chance of disruption [13-Dec-24 10:07 AM] getonthetrain#0000 you're missing the point that people that make non-MM items above resource extraction face all the same risks as MM goods without the benefit [13-Dec-24 10:08 AM] getonthetrain#0000 this game could literally be IDC printers and the small supply chain that they use [13-Dec-24 10:08 AM] getonthetrain#0000 everything else is your own personal hobby in this game [13-Dec-24 10:08 AM] sidepipe#0000 I disagree, but purely on vibes since we have no way to test it either way ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} kekw [13-Dec-24 10:09 AM] razenpok#0000 The point is that everything else *is* the supply chain of MM materials [13-Dec-24 10:09 AM] razenpok#0000 For example, at some point you need fuel [13-Dec-24 10:09 AM] razenpok#0000 And you need to make it, then ship it [13-Dec-24 10:09 AM] razenpok#0000 You need ships, etc [13-Dec-24 10:09 AM] getonthetrain#0000 you would need more fuel to make actual goods [13-Dec-24 10:10 AM] getonthetrain#0000 therefore benefiting the fuel makers more [13-Dec-24 10:10 AM] laaxus#0000 [13-Dec-24 10:10 AM] razenpok#0000 I don't understand this point, sorry [13-Dec-24 10:11 AM] getonthetrain#0000 to make ship components or any high level good you would ship more often and therefore use more fuel [13-Dec-24 10:12 AM] getonthetrain#0000 from raw resources to smelting to manufacturing to electronics to construction or back to smelting or manufacting planet, etc [13-Dec-24 10:12 AM] razenpok#0000 That's on the surface. Don't forget that you need to feed SCI and repair SL, and that's a whole chain in itself which requires fuel and everything else [13-Dec-24 10:13 AM] getonthetrain#0000 tiny compared to everything else [13-Dec-24 10:13 AM] getonthetrain#0000 alternatives [13-Dec-24 10:13 AM] razenpok#0000 You've got numbers for that? (I don't, just vibes) [13-Dec-24 10:13 AM] getonthetrain#0000 you disagree that IDC supply chain uses far less than ship components supply chain? [13-Dec-24 10:13 AM] sidepipe#0000 you could quantify all the things that go into an IDC. SCI upkeep, fabs, repair materials, upkeep for the planet, fuel for the shipping at every step including what goes into the planet upkeep and parts for that, etc etc. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [13-Dec-24 10:14 AM] getonthetrain#0000 I don't know the numbers, but ask EVO I guess [13-Dec-24 10:14 AM] razenpok#0000 Yes [13-Dec-24 10:14 AM] getonthetrain#0000 ship component supply chain also uses SCI pops [13-Dec-24 10:14 AM] getonthetrain#0000 in addition to every other pop level [13-Dec-24 10:14 AM] sidepipe#0000 i get your point that IDC indirectly touches everything, but the other MMs are more direct because they use more goods, which use more pops and bases, which use more shipping, etc etc [13-Dec-24 10:15 AM] sidepipe#0000 that's sort of what I mean - IDC does everything I want an MM to do, but it does it too indirectly [13-Dec-24 10:15 AM] sidepipe#0000 (for my preference) [13-Dec-24 10:15 AM] razenpok#0000 Fair [13-Dec-24 10:15 AM] laaxus#0000 The issue with IDC is that they are not forced to inject the money it generates back into the economy [13-Dec-24 10:16 AM] laaxus#0000 so theorically, one player could just see its AIC number go up and few things would change [13-Dec-24 10:16 AM] sidepipe#0000 consider - one IDC: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317163213095440484/image.png?ex=6814efd5&is=68139e55&hm=3f3a8ca79e7810a63b35119100a26f6b617050c812284c0c509221ec9ca8385f& {Reactions} kekw (2) [13-Dec-24 10:16 AM] sidepipe#0000 (this is just the direct stuff) [13-Dec-24 10:16 AM] sidepipe#0000 one AIR {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317163329461948537/image.png?ex=6814eff1&is=68139e71&hm=a060a9098c54f19f95089f2586a6f37afdc7810c7d21dabc93bad0a9e77908bd& [13-Dec-24 10:17 AM] sidepipe#0000 each of those steps is more bases, more shipping, more opportunities for players to do stuff [13-Dec-24 10:17 AM] sidepipe#0000 more places for the money to go [13-Dec-24 10:17 AM] razenpok#0000 Both these screenshots are just a tip of the iceberg of the underlying economy that feeds both of them [13-Dec-24 10:17 AM] sidepipe#0000 yeah, but do you think the IDC really uses more underlying economy than an AIR? i doubt it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [13-Dec-24 10:18 AM] sidepipe#0000 just look at the workforces involved [13-Dec-24 10:18 AM] sidepipe#0000 again, I'm not disagreeing that IDC touches the entire economy because of fuel, shipping, all the stuff that goes into all the bases to make the planets, upkeep, intermediate products, etc [13-Dec-24 10:18 AM] sidepipe#0000 I just want an MM that does _more_ of that [13-Dec-24 10:19 AM] razenpok#0000 I think both IDC and AIR chains are small in relation to the full economy [13-Dec-24 10:20 AM] laaxus#0000 The best way to touch the entire economy is to make ship parts MM {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [13-Dec-24 10:20 AM] sidepipe#0000 def, but at the end of the day I would prefer if the source of infinite demand / infinite liquidity just consumed more stuff [13-Dec-24 10:20 AM] sidepipe#0000 AIR, ship parts, whatever that might be [13-Dec-24 10:20 AM] laaxus#0000 (anything but IDC tbh) [13-Dec-24 10:20 AM] razenpok#0000 Again, fair, and would look more interesting [13-Dec-24 10:25 AM] sidepipe#0000 From a player perspective, I want the game to reward me for moving up the supply chain and making more advanced things (and that's because I personally find the production more interesting than making money). But there are huge parts of the tech / production tree of the game that just have very limited demand eventhough they have MMs because they're just so much less profitable than IDC. The rational choice for me is to convert most / all of my bases to IDC and just rake in that cash forever. But I think it would be good for the economy of the game to more strongly encourage making those complicated items, because for AIR / LOG / Ship Part you make, there's so many inputs that you basically can't do it on your own. You need to choose a point to stop making extra bases and just buy goods from the market {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿค [13-Dec-24 10:28 AM] razenpok#0000 In short, IDC vs AIR as MM is stable vs interesting economy [13-Dec-24 10:28 AM] sidepipe#0000 yeah, definitely. or at least interesting in terms of what I want out of a game like this [13-Dec-24 10:29 AM] getonthetrain#0000 I would say boring vs engaging economies {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [13-Dec-24 10:30 AM] razenpok#0000 I'm still convinced that there are stability issues you are not considering [13-Dec-24 10:30 AM] sidepipe#0000 I probably should have led with "all of these views are based on my idea of fun in a game like this" ๐Ÿ˜„ [13-Dec-24 10:30 AM] getonthetrain#0000 Everything works itself out in time [13-Dec-24 10:30 AM] laaxus#0000 any part too unstable will become integrated vertically anyway [13-Dec-24 10:30 AM] razenpok#0000 But, it would be really interesting to see if IDC and EDC just disappear at one moment [13-Dec-24 10:31 AM] razenpok#0000 ~~Nooooo, the fun is ubiquitous and everyone enjoys the same thing~~ [13-Dec-24 10:32 AM] razenpok#0000 Then you will have a ghost city instead of a market [13-Dec-24 10:32 AM] sidepipe#0000 I like the fact that they've been re-evaluating some of the MM prices. I think it'd be great if they continued with that - it wouldn't be fair to just drop EDC/ IDC out from under everyone, but if the profitability steadily got worse and encouraged folks to diversify to the other MMs, that would be a good thing. I don't envy trying to balance that though [13-Dec-24 10:32 AM] getonthetrain#0000 the majority of higher end stuff IS a ghost town right now [13-Dec-24 10:32 AM] razenpok#0000 True [13-Dec-24 10:32 AM] getonthetrain#0000 what we suggest would make it come alive [13-Dec-24 10:33 AM] sidepipe#0000 in theory, anyway ๐Ÿ˜„ [13-Dec-24 10:33 AM] razenpok#0000 Oh, that, yes. I think it's hell of a job to balance this game [13-Dec-24 10:33 AM] getonthetrain#0000 if the profit is there, it will [13-Dec-24 10:33 AM] razenpok#0000 Like, good luck picking production lengths of several hundreds of recipes [13-Dec-24 10:35 AM] sidepipe#0000 yeah, that's where the balance comes in. trying to make a bunch of different MMs _roughly_ equivalent while dealing with the fact that prices for the different inputs fluctuate would be a lot. I still think it'd be a better result if the new status quo was just a more complicated (i.e. more inputs) MM, but my dream is that a couple different choices would be viable enough that you wouldn't see the huge concentration we do now [13-Dec-24 10:35 AM] sidepipe#0000 and it's easy for me to dream about it because I don't need to implement any of it ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} kekw [13-Dec-24 10:36 AM] razenpok#0000 molp pls make fun [13-Dec-24 10:36 AM] sidepipe#0000 i wonder if he rolls his eyes every time he reads the next big MM discussion in the Prun discord [13-Dec-24 10:37 AM] razenpok#0000 I wonder if they actually have a plan in regards to economy or is it just a happy coincidence that we have what we have rn [13-Dec-24 10:38 AM] sidepipe#0000 ~~did you just say planned economy in my free market simulator??~~ [13-Dec-24 10:38 AM] marat_sh#0000 ^ this [13-Dec-24 10:38 AM] sidepipe#0000 maybe we'll get an answer to that when the game releases ๐Ÿ˜„ [13-Dec-24 10:38 AM] razenpok#0000 ~~free market is planned economy if you look at it long enough~~ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜„ [13-Dec-24 10:39 AM] marat_sh#0000 considering how imbalanced the recipes are... it all just kinda works out [13-Dec-24 10:40 AM] razenpok#0000 What's extra fun is that we have the current balance for *this universe* [13-Dec-24 10:40 AM] razenpok#0000 I think things will go bonkers after a wipe [13-Dec-24 10:41 AM] sidepipe#0000 i'm very attached to this universe but I'd be okay with a wipe in a year or two ๐Ÿ˜„ [13-Dec-24 10:41 AM] razenpok#0000 Bober ๐Ÿ˜ข [13-Dec-24 10:41 AM] marat_sh#0000 surviving of the contracts ๐Ÿ˜… [13-Dec-24 10:46 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Well I think the MM bids were supposed to be a way for people to clear out inventories on some of the more complex POPI upgrade/upkeep materials, since running those BUIs without an adequate market is harsh on your ROIs and weekly revenues... But once the fab/consumable markets for those higher end processes became more available/cheaper, and people realised just how minimal work those EDC/IDC were for the returns... (not ROI metrics, but capital turnover, or huge capital investments, which then churn out much higher permit revenue metrics than basic processes),... then it sorta got out of control imo... (fyi we're looking at a doubling of global currencies in circulation, from 01-2024, to 12-2024) ๐Ÿ˜ข [13-Dec-24 10:57 AM] marat_sh#0000 > fyi we're looking at a doubling of global currencies in circulation, from 01-2024, to 12-2024 [13-Dec-24 10:57 AM] marat_sh#0000 in my opinion it's a good thing [13-Dec-24 10:57 AM] marat_sh#0000 people will pay ๐Ÿ’ต ๐Ÿ’ต ๐Ÿ’ต to get what they want for any price [13-Dec-24 11:00 AM] razenpok#0000 And we also probably have more goods in circulation [13-Dec-24 11:05 AM] sidepipe#0000 yeah, I think the growth of the economy + velocity of money has done a pretty good job at countering inflation [13-Dec-24 11:05 AM] sidepipe#0000 not that there hasn't been inflation, because _everything_ has gotten more expensive since I started about a year ago. but that's not all bad [13-Dec-24 11:06 AM] sidepipe#0000 (i might have the velocity thing backwards. it's been a long time since econ class :D) [13-Dec-24 11:06 AM] marat_sh#0000 1-2 weeks for ROI is good for keeping new players [13-Dec-24 01:30 PM] laaxus#0000 My sfk operation is a brilliant success {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317212126359588925/image.png?ex=681474a3&is=68132323&hm=5889a5b8257567e48b2533bb54de668699769f9068cd391c864b701ca49e14fe& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [13-Dec-24 02:13 PM] evov#0000 I think there's 2 completely separate lines of thought people are going down. 1. Are zero input MM's good vs bad for the game. 2. Are zero input MM's good vs bad for WINNING at the game. Unless anyone here is a Dev, 1. seems somewhat irrelevant. Ultimately, EDC/IDC farms are somewhat immune from "attack". I've tried. And it's a fruitless endeavor. The only way to diminish their relative strength, is to inflate the rest of the economy to match their profitability ( or convince Dev's to continue nerfing them ). Having more people make EDC/IDC's, seems to me to be the shortest path on both those failure modes. They make good $/base numbers, but their RoI isn't great. If you're constrained by #permits - IDC's make a lot of sense. If you're constrained by $$ they're not that great of an idea. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [13-Dec-24 02:51 PM] jcheung#0000 They offer stability though [13-Dec-24 02:51 PM] jcheung#0000 At least after ROI [13-Dec-24 04:01 PM] finestone#0000 thats alot of sfk [13-Dec-24 04:10 PM] laaxus#0000 I was upset that MOR had unfair low prices [13-Dec-24 04:11 PM] laaxus#0000 so I decided to buy they entire stock from 55->60 and sold it at 60 @ ANT [13-Dec-24 04:12 PM] laaxus#0000 now ANT producers have a low cost reliable source of sfk [13-Dec-24 04:12 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/anime-read-reading-grimoire-frieren-gif-12437894112082444410 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/anime-read-reading-grimoire-frieren-gif-12437894112082444410 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/LHdpdi-IlJOq28YNgr3sI4MgoT0j5Nl4G2Q8awRlpZo/https/media.tenor.com/rJxGy9CYwHoAAAAe/anime-read.png [13-Dec-24 04:21 PM] finestone#0000 https://tenor.com/view/esdeath-agk-gif-19059455 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/esdeath-agk-gif-19059455 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/wdOYEYfUKAqUWwrkVulx5y0EXCW5PoFg22j9L_d5ocU/https/media.tenor.com/Ww9ony-HQAwAAAAe/esdeath-agk.png [13-Dec-24 04:21 PM] finestone#0000 Well done [13-Dec-24 05:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/borat-great-success-gif-26450399 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/borat-great-success-gif-26450399 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/BW1Oh03a2WAS0SHQ_i0IXDG-BxEHSD678R2KQZYI3nY/https/media.tenor.com/58b7u-n7RucAAAAe/borat-great.png [13-Dec-24 06:00 PM] roche3950#0000 Ultimately theyโ€™re the rational action for endgame players, and I donโ€™t think thatโ€™s a good thing [13-Dec-24 06:00 PM] roche3950#0000 There should be no convergence point, so to speak, for people to end up focusing on no matter what path they take in the game [13-Dec-24 06:00 PM] roche3950#0000 Also yes zero input MMs are bad >.> [13-Dec-24 06:01 PM] evov#0000 I would consider myself an "end game" player. I have 37 bases. Only 2 of them are IDC bases. [13-Dec-24 06:03 PM] roche3950#0000 And that means we can continue to have our wonderful space logistics game [13-Dec-24 06:03 PM] roche3950#0000 Without all just pivoting to LCs and whatnot ๐Ÿ˜› [13-Dec-24 06:08 PM] tanda#0000 construction MM when? [13-Dec-24 06:20 PM] igfloz#0000 Surely currency and market revolve around a) Player numbers b) MAT availability on the CX Some of the conversations up above โฌ†๏ธ don't seem to take any of this into account, they seem to read as an expansive explanation, without really explaining anything. I think I must be pretty dumb as I don't understand most of what has been said previously. I'm not looking for another expansive explanation (which I won't understand) - I just look at demand vs availability. EDC / IDC is just a golden goose in my opinion. If it keeps laying, I'll keep feeding [13-Dec-24 08:03 PM] roche3950#0000 It *is* a golden goose [13-Dec-24 08:04 PM] roche3950#0000 and itโ€™s entirely rational to keep feeding it while it lays [13-Dec-24 08:04 PM] roche3950#0000 I just think itโ€™s boring [14-Dec-24 07:12 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Lol igfloz.... Thanks for putting a smile on my face, and making my weekend just a little bit better. But I'm like 100% dumber than you. Satisfaction Guaranteed. ๐Ÿ˜› As with life -- if it ain't broke, then don't fix it. [14-Dec-24 07:12 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 But the devs are not publishing all of the metrics that can be found in their database, so that Prun stays as a **game**, and doesn't turn into the lunch room of an economics department at your local university. Everything else, like global in-game stuff, is just out of any player's/corp's control, and should be irrelevant unless someone is trying to play g*d. *But sometimes the discussions in here are a little interesting. They help my brain JUI'ces FLO, even though it's just one big mush anyways.* :/ [14-Dec-24 07:17 AM] realharvey#0000 @laaxus hey how far do we want to take the NCS undercutting game? :> [14-Dec-24 07:18 AM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/corgi-sunglass-chill-corgi-sunglasses-beach-chilling-gif-3327797545777618076 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/corgi-sunglass-chill-corgi-sunglasses-beach-chilling-gif-3327797545777618076 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/4yi70z5BZlrbps3n2QejXB9o5adlgbeTF9usehrEgs0/https/media.tenor.com/Li62PIh93JwAAAAe/corgi-sunglass-chill-corgi.png [14-Dec-24 07:22 AM] laaxus#0000 Hello ! [14-Dec-24 07:22 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm currently producing 1k ncs a day, how about you ? [14-Dec-24 07:24 AM] realharvey#0000 2400k but I also use some myself [14-Dec-24 07:26 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm backing down, I plan to export my antares stock [14-Dec-24 07:27 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm happy with it sitting on the market, just to stock [14-Dec-24 07:33 AM] realharvey#0000 I mean its a free market :D you can undercut me, but I'll also play that game then :D [14-Dec-24 11:30 AM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-monkey-fight-monkey-gif-5219878 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-monkey-fight-monkey-gif-5219878 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/YQ8-L-EUa5DCv8tJ8o2khNjEhxNDCu-WlpnEflfEAPk/https/media.tenor.com/AfVutWBCnYIAAAAe/simpsons-monkey-fight.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [14-Dec-24 01:02 PM] tanda#0000 Does anyone produce TCO? Market's looking a little squished right now [14-Dec-24 01:10 PM] laaxus#0000 How much TCO do you consume per day ? [14-Dec-24 01:10 PM] laaxus#0000 because I feel like one base would be enough to supply the whole universe [14-Dec-24 01:17 PM] tanda#0000 it probably would! I only use 3 TCO a day to run 2 TNPs [14-Dec-24 01:18 PM] laaxus#0000 I have a plan to suggest [14-Dec-24 01:18 PM] laaxus#0000 it's not a great plan [14-Dec-24 01:18 PM] laaxus#0000 but it's a plan nonetheless [14-Dec-24 01:19 PM] laaxus#0000 with 3 TCO per day, you're good for a year with 2-3 of production of full production [14-Dec-24 01:19 PM] laaxus#0000 so you could just drop a base [14-Dec-24 01:19 PM] laaxus#0000 mine for a week [14-Dec-24 01:20 PM] laaxus#0000 send the WCB back with the base materials, and enough TCO for half a year [14-Dec-24 01:21 PM] tanda#0000 or bribe someone with a TIO base on SE-648c to just run TCO for a 2 days [14-Dec-24 01:21 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317572313729732668/image.png?ex=68147296&is=68132116&hm=cc24b89e3c9400f238da0ba7c1a32f71727dae9f2565443270ac7dec2fb0d129& [14-Dec-24 01:23 PM] laaxus#0000 probably the best plan lol [14-Dec-24 01:24 PM] igfloz#0000 did someone mention SE-648c ? [14-Dec-24 01:25 PM] laaxus#0000 no, must have been the wind [14-Dec-24 01:25 PM] jvaler#0000 i probably could lol [14-Dec-24 01:26 PM] jvaler#0000 the CAAP base plan produces a little bit excess TIO i might be able to cut out [14-Dec-24 01:26 PM] igfloz#0000 lol @jvaler pinching my potential TIO customers, and now TCO ๐Ÿ˜› [14-Dec-24 01:26 PM] jvaler#0000 :x [14-Dec-24 01:27 PM] jvaler#0000 TIO was a one-time thing i promise [14-Dec-24 01:27 PM] igfloz#0000 We could easily just add TCO into our production runs [14-Dec-24 01:27 PM] razenpok#0000 @tanda You want some? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317573784554962995/image.png?ex=681473f5&is=68132275&hm=0b0fbf95e9c3be2001e96b04fa2c7419ae18cda5e2fc9b73740b322d7c3a0dd4& [14-Dec-24 01:28 PM] igfloz#0000 ...and booom ! sideswiped by the Razenpok !! ROFL [14-Dec-24 01:28 PM] razenpok#0000 I also have 417 more in MOR :kekw: [14-Dec-24 01:29 PM] tanda#0000 I just bought a month's worth lol. I am open to discussion about a one time supply! [14-Dec-24 01:29 PM] tanda#0000 what you have at BEN is enough to satisfy my current needs for 6 months. What's your price? [14-Dec-24 01:29 PM] razenpok#0000 I did this thing a while ago and just forgot to sell it off {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317574309325307924/image.png?ex=68147472&is=681322f2&hm=c406277e9847d86131f1cda67f42fb6cc5e1ceac272c4e9a6e4bc97398de29a0& [14-Dec-24 01:30 PM] razenpok#0000 Idk, pick a price [14-Dec-24 01:30 PM] tanda#0000 looks like the majority of it was 500 or lower, so 550? [14-Dec-24 01:30 PM] razenpok#0000 Sounds good [14-Dec-24 01:31 PM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317574781763321917/image.png?ex=681474e3&is=68132363&hm=043b572ef7728dffb0b80b78141902979f0543ff645ae029adaee850f1a167c9& [14-Dec-24 01:32 PM] tanda#0000 lol! [14-Dec-24 01:32 PM] razenpok#0000 Heavy buggers! [14-Dec-24 01:32 PM] tanda#0000 I only have 2k/2k there. Rented more space [14-Dec-24 01:32 PM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317574962713854042/image.png?ex=6814750e&is=6813238e&hm=97437f1400c01d8c17c57bdca8cbcb6180e18c946a7207e9c8ef44f5b681c898& [14-Dec-24 01:33 PM] razenpok#0000 6800t in total [14-Dec-24 01:33 PM] tanda#0000 sure 10k/10k can hold it? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [14-Dec-24 01:33 PM] tanda#0000 lol [14-Dec-24 01:58 PM] tanda#0000 Whoop there it goes {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317581443492347904/image.png?ex=68147b17&is=68132997&hm=1bb0ba1f4560e8636e695f17c4b0a3e95676024662caf8ee660771b5363c5e43& [14-Dec-24 01:59 PM] igfloz#0000 oh wow ! [14-Dec-24 02:02 PM] laaxus#0000 . [14-Dec-24 02:02 PM] tanda#0000 ahhah [14-Dec-24 02:02 PM] tanda#0000 someone just did it again, too [14-Dec-24 02:04 PM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317583021666205736/9ds8sy.png?ex=68147c8f&is=68132b0f&hm=b705b063bce53db2e7425866daba6b8c1e509ab0456f27a4f8ce8e58c10f9448& [14-Dec-24 02:05 PM] tanda#0000 welp, guess I'm bumping another base pair up the priority chain [14-Dec-24 02:06 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317583628653297744/image.png?ex=68147d20&is=68132ba0&hm=31a9e46376da4648948aaefaea8b3eee3fb145e61e6a54de060e65a47d4fb7b2& [14-Dec-24 02:07 PM] laaxus#0000 such prices much wow [14-Dec-24 02:07 PM] razenpok#0000 This would probably mess with the original pmmg lmao [14-Dec-24 02:24 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You almost je'baited me bruh.. The name reference, is somewhere in here, within the past 1-2 weeks iirc, lol. I'm not naming anyone ๐Ÿ˜› {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317588115887493171/Screenshot_from_2024-12-14_14-20-56.png?ex=6814814e&is=68132fce&hm=3dddde14090a65f3aa349e72f225c8e0c272023b6c0b3c232c6aaf48f9611fcc& [14-Dec-24 02:38 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Ugh, yeah. I've seen that FLX market run, posted like 1-2 days ago on here... It's the end of the year, so ppl will have their fun.. But I think I'm getting more fun, with looking into the company names + "lore" involved... Bumblr Industries @ FLX.AI1... A mix between Bumble (wow it's a dating app, wtf!?), and Tumblr.. Bumble and tumble in the markets you may, but in a month you shall find the humble way? (short term market manipulation never work out). {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317591572757610557/Screenshot_from_2024-12-14_06-22-46.png?ex=68148486&is=68133306&hm=642cfd22f273754a14bbad410d71e1287d7e926b54206f64c2f6321a83766e88& [14-Dec-24 05:57 PM] marat_sh#0000 someone bought for 10mil? ๐Ÿ˜… {Reactions} ๐Ÿคญ [14-Dec-24 07:12 PM] razenpok#0000 Omg what have you done {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ผ [14-Dec-24 07:12 PM] razenpok#0000 I wonder if my weighted average will handle it properly [14-Dec-24 07:13 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317660659416170496/image.png?ex=6814c4de&is=6813735e&hm=8ae40a4f7a7976d6ee575f734a9f2bd25ade4c99ec322449eb49f5fe2e2a7633& [14-Dec-24 07:13 PM] tanda#0000 yeah [14-Dec-24 07:13 PM] tanda#0000 smelting LI at Deimos and my margin is still good [14-Dec-24 07:14 PM] razenpok#0000 The prices are actually calculated outside of the plugin, so we'll see the result tomorrow [14-Dec-24 09:24 PM] evov#0000 13k Flux shipment arrived at ant. I'll start pushing the CX price down. I'll keep like 5k in reserve for private contracts if needed.... it's not a lot of money required to re-buy out all the flx currently on the cx... so that might happen. [15-Dec-24 04:23 AM] laaxus#0000 if there's any rfabs producers here, RTA stock is becoming thin {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317799159688073267/image.png?ex=68149d1b&is=68134b9b&hm=538e56032baf9b688ebbe0f5b20f9fc4389e441e61f5abc1da158f0dee25cb17& {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [15-Dec-24 04:30 AM] laaxus#0000 same for sc {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317800938869751880/image.png?ex=68149ec3&is=68134d43&hm=67e2cee971c35f95fca2bfd86973171faa476953080ae86f337e2d6d0b40c099& {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [15-Dec-24 04:46 AM] jcheung#0000 i offer SC, though my stocks are limited [15-Dec-24 04:46 AM] jcheung#0000 ...rise cleaned out my SC stocks ๐Ÿ˜“ [15-Dec-24 04:46 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317805022322622515/image.png?ex=6814a290&is=68135110&hm=3a18128f7b18337ced44e68c7747e18e6c01a4680d9b71ee7a46a95928acf944& [15-Dec-24 04:47 AM] evov#0000 If anyone is interested in joining the industrial hub I'm building, shout out. Trying to provide support for higher tier populations and a good mix of industrial CoGC's near each other and within 24hrs flight from ANT + HRT CX's. Current planets a part of this project and their CoGC's - IA-151a - Construction IA-151b - Electronics IA-151c - Manufacturing IA-151d - Chemistry IA-151e - Metallurgy IA-158a - Construction IA-158b - Manufacturing IA-158c - Chemistry IA-158e - Electronics All of them have 2k2k Warehouse storage + Local Markets. [15-Dec-24 04:49 AM] laaxus#0000 For now, it doesn't make sense to me to go there, when there are good planets near ant cx However, once I have colonized them, I'll seriously consider going there [15-Dec-24 09:17 AM] roche3950#0000 Some shipping work up from ANT station to Norwick for those who want it. Rate per ton should be competitive. Thanks. [15-Dec-24 09:20 AM] laaxus#0000 In addition to this, I put Norwick->ANT shipping (for the other direction) [15-Dec-24 10:37 AM] tanda#0000 I only produce a trickle of RTA so I won't be too much help here [15-Dec-24 12:09 PM] tanda#0000 Welp, it's over boys, time to pack up the Deimos bases {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317916418867597443/image.png?ex=68150a4f&is=6813b8cf&hm=9b1a4c3d5460cdb13a4e0a0cc45b9ff2699f86dd1d77f1ff0ed1b79776d89dee& [15-Dec-24 12:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ? [15-Dec-24 12:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 C and FLX too expensive? [15-Dec-24 12:10 PM] tanda#0000 just the FLX numbers is messing with Prunplanner bad [15-Dec-24 12:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 How much FLX do you use per day? [15-Dec-24 12:11 PM] tanda#0000 28 per day [15-Dec-24 12:11 PM] tanda#0000 (I'm mostly being sarcastic. I have yet to buy FLX for Deimos in the last month or so) [15-Dec-24 12:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคช [15-Dec-24 12:11 PM] tanda#0000 I've still got 10 days left before I need more [15-Dec-24 12:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 On a serious note I can help peeps out who are hurting bad for FLX [15-Dec-24 12:15 PM] laaxus#0000 Should we consider a strategic resource stock ? [15-Dec-24 12:16 PM] laaxus#0000 Members of the adi could spend a small part of their income into strategic resources, that could be used in times of shock The adi could coordinate the stock, so that players do not buy the same goods [15-Dec-24 12:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah probs (id be willing to sponsor a CHP base if someone wants to try their hand at making FLX) [15-Dec-24 12:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think โ€œemergency rationsโ€ are good but I think it is more beneficial to have someone making the stuff consistently [15-Dec-24 12:27 PM] razenpok#0000 @tanda check again [15-Dec-24 12:27 PM] razenpok#0000 Babe wake up, market shit rippled down to refined-prices [15-Dec-24 12:28 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317921169051095171/image.png?ex=68150ebc&is=6813bd3c&hm=2ffccd077a4ee69bf84734aa981541ec5782d566ac5d726e3ed541e83d24d00f& [15-Dec-24 12:28 PM] tanda#0000 my margin dropped by .6% [15-Dec-24 12:28 PM] tanda#0000 oh no [15-Dec-24 12:28 PM] laaxus#0000 lmao {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317921277918580788/image.png?ex=68150ed6&is=6813bd56&hm=af67402590c26a1c46a8840f1d9415144c11f587749890cabe40137e1db48e7a& [15-Dec-24 12:29 PM] laaxus#0000 I got the shiny ! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317921453672239195/image.png?ex=68150f00&is=6813bd80&hm=217d590fc5827b9f4003b6fe2a6c08672321e12d2eebc72d20a239024d1dce9d& {Reactions} actualchadthink [15-Dec-24 12:29 PM] tanda#0000 hey wait [15-Dec-24 12:29 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317921542071521290/image.png?ex=68150f15&is=6813bd95&hm=83d0d98c7405c1211dc4b65b3da2437e4971a1d6078a96b6fe215b9738ee70b0& [15-Dec-24 12:29 PM] tanda#0000 It just reupdated [15-Dec-24 12:29 PM] razenpok#0000 VWAP7D in AI1 is affected {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317921614494568508/image.png?ex=68150f26&is=6813bda6&hm=53e69b29fd37cf345ab26daa508dc6d71abdea34a2e47197e59c4ae366fa3ebc& [15-Dec-24 12:30 PM] razenpok#0000 But rprun averages over all cxes, so it's less impactful [15-Dec-24 12:30 PM] razenpok#0000 But STILL [15-Dec-24 12:31 PM] jvaler#0000 someone bought a single unit a few hrs ago to fix ingame "average" [15-Dec-24 12:31 PM] razenpok#0000 Well, rprun doesn't use plain averages [15-Dec-24 12:31 PM] razenpok#0000 This issue will fix itself in a week [15-Dec-24 12:32 PM] jvaler#0000 hehehehe [15-Dec-24 12:33 PM] razenpok#0000 *unless* [15-Dec-24 12:33 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm not rakkzi, i'm not buying through the 4k LIO order lolol [15-Dec-24 12:49 PM] tanda#0000 Man, LAB big volume items have just died in general. What happened there? [15-Dec-24 12:50 PM] laaxus#0000 probably verticalization [15-Dec-24 02:19 PM] razenpok#0000 I think it's actually LIO price that broke your Deimos base, not FLX [15-Dec-24 02:19 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I started thinking about that. Definitely seems that way with -81mil per day on Prunplanner [15-Dec-24 02:34 PM] razenpok#0000 :pepega: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317952849627447388/image.png?ex=6814837d&is=681331fd&hm=880e38711318d474a6d02aaba56ad054f6f9a455234b64f9c1718c85ca01bb81& [15-Dec-24 02:35 PM] tanda#0000 this will definitely impact shipkit here soon [15-Dec-24 02:35 PM] tanda#0000 but I think we have a few stockpiled anyway [15-Dec-24 02:38 PM] laaxus#0000 ๐Ÿค‘ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317953999852535868/image.png?ex=6814848f&is=6813330f&hm=2483bebc8e1f530bfce30ef9d3290c20980f4c84f026852f5ee46597e96fa228& [15-Dec-24 02:39 PM] laaxus#0000 about 18 days worth [15-Dec-24 02:39 PM] laaxus#0000 I hope that the LIO situation will be fixed by then [15-Dec-24 02:40 PM] razenpok#0000 I mean, there's no "LIO situation", it's just that pp is freaking out because of one 10mil trade [15-Dec-24 02:41 PM] razenpok#0000 (rprun as well...) [15-Dec-24 02:41 PM] laaxus#0000 btw, that means that, for 5m or so, I had about 80 TRILLIONS worth of goods ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [15-Dec-24 04:37 PM] finestone#0000 wait someone actually bought the 10m LIO? {Reactions} filthypirates [15-Dec-24 04:37 PM] laaxus#0000 Who knows [15-Dec-24 04:38 PM] laaxus#0000 You should look at the chart [15-Dec-24 04:38 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317984179194957864/image.png?ex=6814a0ab&is=68134f2b&hm=c82e0051a2bdeea86936b5f39bee93ce8b5ecfcb3f2e36aa1a2078d56549cf60& {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [15-Dec-24 04:38 PM] laaxus#0000 To be sure [15-Dec-24 04:38 PM] tanda#0000 Yep, someone bought it [15-Dec-24 04:39 PM] igfloz#0000 Didn't @razenpok put it up ? he would know [15-Dec-24 04:40 PM] igfloz#0000 .....but I think it's cool that someone had the balls to buy it (BECAUSE THEY CAN!) [15-Dec-24 04:49 PM] avalock#0000 this is beautiful [15-Dec-24 04:53 PM] moke.#0000 Can you buy your own listing ๐Ÿค” [15-Dec-24 04:53 PM] realharvey#0000 No you can't [15-Dec-24 04:55 PM] getonthetrain#0000 our very own duct tape banana [15-Dec-24 04:55 PM] moke.#0000 Damn, so someone really did [15-Dec-24 04:55 PM] roche3950#0000 stonks [15-Dec-24 04:58 PM] razenpok#0000 @tanda Do you want some more TCO hauled to ANT? [15-Dec-24 04:58 PM] razenpok#0000 It's not selling, so I'm happy to sell it directly to you [15-Dec-24 05:00 PM] finestone#0000 uhh sir did someone buy your 10m LIO? [15-Dec-24 05:01 PM] razenpok#0000 I never had any LIO, so no :blobshrug: [15-Dec-24 05:01 PM] razenpok#0000 I think it was LIO of Laaxus [15-Dec-24 05:01 PM] razenpok#0000 And *someone* bought it [15-Dec-24 05:02 PM] finestone#0000 Gotcha crazy i wonder if it was an accident or not. [15-Dec-24 05:03 PM] razenpok#0000 I think ***someone*** is just edge-case testing prunplanner and rprun :Well: [15-Dec-24 05:04 PM] igfloz#0000 OH, My mistake... I think it was you that posted it here , but indeed, @laaxus was the seller [15-Dec-24 05:05 PM] tanda#0000 Sir, I already bought a 6 month supply from you [15-Dec-24 05:05 PM] tanda#0000 I think I have achieved enough buffer(TM) in this case {Reactions} ๐Ÿ“ฆ [15-Dec-24 05:08 PM] tanda#0000 I will point out that if you want to spare some space on one of your Chemistry planets, TNP are pretty good money [15-Dec-24 05:08 PM] razenpok#0000 Hmm, are they? [15-Dec-24 05:08 PM] finestone#0000 :tinfoil: so who bought it [15-Dec-24 05:08 PM] tanda#0000 and I have been able to sell some TCS [15-Dec-24 05:10 PM] razenpok#0000 Oh, nice, quite {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317992138847293440/image.png?ex=6814a815&is=68135695&hm=74245b7ebaff33061267c18ecff6693b5c3630b83d1a5097579627f67bce7315& [15-Dec-24 05:10 PM] tanda#0000 I don't think I'd run more than maybe 4 of them, though [15-Dec-24 05:10 PM] tanda#0000 unless you want to make HSE [15-Dec-24 05:10 PM] razenpok#0000 There's a thin but constant demand of TCL, so I'm running LABs for now {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1317992328446738564/image.png?ex=6814a842&is=681356c2&hm=76b62e8b5dc07ac3a77ed9fc70f38af4ae74749ac77d5271dadebca73c8d06bc& [15-Dec-24 05:19 PM] realharvey#0000 I buy TCL regulary :D {Reactions} ๐Ÿค [15-Dec-24 07:14 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ผ [15-Dec-24 07:23 PM] evov#0000 I kind of do this for personal use. I aim to keep 100+ days of consumes + repairs on hand in ANT. When there are price spikes / market shortages, I'll dip into this supply to help stabilize/profit from the market instability. For reference - this is my list of consumes/repairs. How much I'm aiming to hold, how much I have, black/red to let me know how much I can sell / how much I should be trying to buy. I update this list once a week. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1318025668767776788/image.png?ex=6814c74f&is=681375cf&hm=e88c1484aeea52d1082201835a09cc192e0fce3b2d6a95d589c8661b643227de& [15-Dec-24 07:26 PM] evov#0000 I have no idea what the market value is, but it's somewhere in the 300mil region. I suspect there's a few other ANT based players that have a similar stockpile. So I think half of the instability issue could be resolved with a "market watch" type channel, since there's already quite a lot of volume sitting in people's warehouses imo... just need up to date info / knowledge of market fuckery in order to react to it. [16-Dec-24 09:24 AM] marat_sh#0000 Friendly reminder: My HAL base is finished and you can pick up HAL from Halcyon (the prices are pretty wild lately). Text me before you send contract, I am being cleaned out pretty fast [16-Dec-24 04:43 PM] igfloz#0000 I did a thing for a short time {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1318347905282871306/image.png?ex=6814a1ea&is=6813506a&hm=289dafef3f67e739b1d61cfdb9f60638fdbd78ea769be41e232531718d32bdd8& [17-Dec-24 02:21 AM] laaxus#0000 I might of might not have sent my ship to the wrong planet [17-Dec-24 04:13 AM] antisyntax#0000 it's so nice when you have a bit of stockpiled cash, you can set your own price for your products, instead of just selling it at market value because you needed cash immediately [17-Dec-24 04:15 AM] laaxus#0000 yes [17-Dec-24 04:16 AM] laaxus#0000 Going from buying at ask, selling at bid, to buying at bid, selling at ask, is an important part {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [17-Dec-24 04:23 AM] realharvey#0000 definitly. Same with being able to stockpile 30-60 Days of consumables without caring [17-Dec-24 04:23 AM] antisyntax#0000 i haven't gotten their quite yet, but i'm not about to sell my AL at 655 lol [17-Dec-24 04:23 AM] antisyntax#0000 i'll still set it at the old bid, which was 700 [17-Dec-24 04:24 AM] antisyntax#0000 yeah i aim for 30 days rn, it was a few milli and a bit of a financial hit going from 7 to 30 [17-Dec-24 04:24 AM] antisyntax#0000 but now i can go AWOL and not have my entire prod lines stop (until they fill up storage lol) [17-Dec-24 04:24 AM] antisyntax#0000 last time i went AWOL it took 2 weeks to recover [17-Dec-24 04:25 AM] realharvey#0000 yeah thats definitly a hit. Especially when you have limited Ships available and not enough cash to restock {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [17-Dec-24 04:27 AM] antisyntax#0000 i had the cash to restock, it was just running those ships non-stop for two weeks [17-Dec-24 04:27 AM] antisyntax#0000 non-stop Harmonia > Nascent > Deimos > ANT loop [17-Dec-24 04:27 AM] antisyntax#0000 although i'm soon to get a Nike base for BBH, BSE, BTA, BDE [17-Dec-24 04:28 AM] antisyntax#0000 https://tenor.com/view/winterz-soon-gif-19096204 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/winterz-soon-gif-19096204 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Eq6ERiYedZFvT4adBxjfTcyC37G8b-7LGL9LdfLVg60/https/media.tenor.com/3XG9QhtrxBcAAAAe/winterz-soon.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [17-Dec-24 04:30 AM] antisyntax#0000 though idk how i like the volatility of the market lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1318525722792296469/image.png?ex=68149ec5&is=68134d45&hm=7791568720d154bbfa3cc93be53cdf08c481bc80275357dd9089a212f6189bc9& [17-Dec-24 04:41 AM] evov#0000 Feel free to cont me all the AL you make at 700/u if you want. I'll find a use for it ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} โœ… [17-Dec-24 04:42 AM] antisyntax#0000 well i just sent 1k of it to ANT, but i can sell it there to you if you'd like. [17-Dec-24 04:42 AM] antisyntax#0000 it arrives in about 5 hrs [17-Dec-24 04:43 AM] evov#0000 Yea, on ANT is best. That's where I keep my AL swimming pool at. Sometimes it gets low and I need to top it up. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1318529002847076433/ALDuck.jpg?ex=6814a1d3&is=68135053&hm=60456ec626e6a0a12383a01120842d7b96b4e870498b0662866824fca336b192& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ x_rabbit [17-Dec-24 04:44 AM] antisyntax#0000 geez imagine having 38k AL [17-Dec-24 04:44 AM] antisyntax#0000 ok don't search up "PRUN AL" in Discord's gif search [17-Dec-24 04:45 AM] antisyntax#0000 you'll get some... weird... results [17-Dec-24 04:45 AM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/arizona-desert-gif-18971931 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/arizona-desert-gif-18971931 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/MXPupzMuTkzq-E9Hh4DkMIJqExMA9pq9DaIR7dbqvbY/https/media.tenor.com/hYQoH7xXqzMAAAAe/arizona-desert.png [17-Dec-24 04:45 AM] antisyntax#0000 ? [17-Dec-24 04:45 AM] jvaler#0000 did what you said not to do [17-Dec-24 04:46 AM] evov#0000 Well, I don't have that much AL anymore. That was after a big shopping spree I did some time ago. So always room for more. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [17-Dec-24 04:46 AM] antisyntax#0000 oh... i get much weirder results [17-Dec-24 04:47 AM] antisyntax#0000 too creepy to keep up there [17-Dec-24 04:47 AM] jvaler#0000 oh yeah [17-Dec-24 04:47 AM] antisyntax#0000 https://tenor.com/view/rabbits-bunnies-bath-chill-gif-4717858 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/rabbits-bunnies-bath-chill-gif-4717858 chill out, dude https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/DYIIbIcc8gb891KGeTFsfJcOjxYc9q0fDqFlcAG4oyo/https/media.tenor.com/5Z2fNEsZrJwAAAAe/rabbits-bunnies.png [17-Dec-24 04:47 AM] jvaler#0000 lolol [17-Dec-24 04:47 AM] antisyntax#0000 me every day in the bath it feels like [17-Dec-24 04:48 AM] antisyntax#0000 no idea how that relates to "PRUN AL" but that's what came up [17-Dec-24 04:48 AM] antisyntax#0000 so @jvaler [17-Dec-24 04:48 AM] antisyntax#0000 how much would you say, is the average amount of hours spent in APEX, and PRUN Discords, and planning, etc [17-Dec-24 04:48 AM] antisyntax#0000 like how much of your life do you dedicate to PRUN [17-Dec-24 04:48 AM] antisyntax#0000 it seems like you're always on [17-Dec-24 04:48 AM] antisyntax#0000 ๐Ÿ˜› [17-Dec-24 04:49 AM] antisyntax#0000 i spend about 5 - 15 minutes. this is the longest i've spent in weeks [17-Dec-24 04:49 AM] jvaler#0000 not too much..... like 1hr a day [17-Dec-24 04:49 AM] antisyntax#0000 you just check in for a few minutes multiple times a day or smth? [17-Dec-24 04:49 AM] jvaler#0000 i'm just at my desktop most of the day so i have discord open [17-Dec-24 04:49 AM] antisyntax#0000 ah [17-Dec-24 04:49 AM] jvaler#0000 and i can hear any ingame notifications [17-Dec-24 04:50 AM] jvaler#0000 there's not much going on in my life right now lol .-. [17-Dec-24 06:49 AM] realharvey#0000 I have quite a few friends that are way more at home playing games in the colder season and when it gets warmer they go awol :D [17-Dec-24 06:51 AM] laaxus#0000 truthfully, I just wanna sleep all day in my heated bed [17-Dec-24 07:31 AM] tanda#0000 I probably spend more time chatting in the discords and in game than anything else. But any home time is partly Prun time [17-Dec-24 11:16 AM] roche3950#0000 I spend a distressing amount of time doodling on Prunplanner at work [17-Dec-24 06:08 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1318731684723691561/image.png?ex=6814b5d6&is=68136456&hm=00fbf818aa84978ca3affae07347a3f2e9c09a2c630d2d90b87f414c7020853e& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ธ (2) [17-Dec-24 06:08 PM] tanda#0000 heck yeah, that's what I like to see [17-Dec-24 06:43 PM] jcheung#0000 I thought the goal was to lower the numbers ๐Ÿ˜… [17-Dec-24 06:44 PM] tanda#0000 it sure is! [17-Dec-24 06:44 PM] tanda#0000 we are 30/unit below every other CX [17-Dec-24 06:45 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1318740812292423680/image.png?ex=6814be56&is=68136cd6&hm=3db7b4d45c96e4d354f1871ec3dcb9626e718160976b2d763494019e3b40b552& [17-Dec-24 06:45 PM] tanda#0000 well, we were [17-Dec-24 06:45 PM] jvaler#0000 :antares_initiative: ๐Ÿ”› ๐Ÿ” [17-Dec-24 06:47 PM] jcheung#0000 Except for north antares [17-Dec-24 06:47 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, there's a couple new producers up there that hadn't made it to market last week [17-Dec-24 06:47 PM] tanda#0000 good for them! [17-Dec-24 08:04 PM] jcheung#0000 woo, just got my first construction expert on deimos.... only been doing construction for like 160 days [17-Dec-24 08:10 PM] tanda#0000 that must be like 1 PP2 or something? [17-Dec-24 08:12 PM] jvaler#0000 whar [17-Dec-24 08:13 PM] jvaler#0000 1 building at 100% efficiency gets it's first expert in 10 days [17-Dec-24 08:14 PM] tanda#0000 how in the world did it take you 160 days? [17-Dec-24 08:15 PM] jcheung#0000 oh [17-Dec-24 08:15 PM] jcheung#0000 i misread [17-Dec-24 08:15 PM] jcheung#0000 i guess i'm up to 4 now [17-Dec-24 08:15 PM] jcheung#0000 i just have 1 assigned* [17-Dec-24 08:15 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/rAmonJC9RJ0.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/well-shrug-i-dont-know-the-good-place-eleanor-gif-14622723624732296466 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/NXbPOS3d1SXMUj3_CtvqfXcHkZntER0SU2VkjfDjKg8/https/media.tenor.com/yu5ZqYThhRIAAAAe/well-shrug.png [17-Dec-24 08:17 PM] jvaler#0000 oh lolol [17-Dec-24 08:48 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-throw-up-puke-vomit-gagging-gif-16080834 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-throw-up-puke-vomit-gagging-gif-16080834 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/EY0xC63CaojYkKEuPqrvqlKaywiZLAXJCry8ypI2rvI/https/media.tenor.com/3qV0YQvnH08AAAAe/jim-carrey-throw-up.png [17-Dec-24 08:49 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bBqqt.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/bite-me-ice-cream-simpsons-jimbo-jimbo-simpsons-gif-21273707 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/NmtdO46YbGS3C7OMhXvvyLnM67E53-wAB5olCPB8Z20/https/media.tenor.com/oMjJ4R0dFecAAAAe/bite-me-ice-cream.png [18-Dec-24 06:58 AM] tanda#0000 gosh, I love this system {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1318925297344581663/image.png?ex=6814c167&is=68136fe7&hm=8ac2882b71589cd12343e7451a5033f46a4efa024e1f7749a2bd2342ca80afca& {Reactions} Tasty [18-Dec-24 09:23 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Does PrUn pay loan instalments automatically? [18-Dec-24 09:25 AM] razenpok#0000 Loan installments, yes. Everything else, no [18-Dec-24 09:25 AM] razenpok#0000 You can check XIT CONTC, it will show which payments are automatic [18-Dec-24 09:25 AM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1318962457665994844/image.png?ex=6814e403&is=68139283&hm=a6c2ad7a2f425accd28601db3155783b7b4905b61bd8cae76de89245f244222e& {Reactions} Horror [18-Dec-24 09:26 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Yeah, noticed the (auto) and was wondering {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [18-Dec-24 09:26 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Good to know [18-Dec-24 09:48 AM] jcheung#0000 that's a lot of idc [18-Dec-24 09:48 AM] tanda#0000 That's what I'm saying [18-Dec-24 09:48 AM] jcheung#0000 16m worth... time to sail the high seas {Reactions} filthypirates [18-Dec-24 09:54 AM] razenpok#0000 That's 2 months' worth of IDC base input supplies ๐Ÿฅฒ๐Ÿ‘ [18-Dec-24 09:54 AM] razenpok#0000 + repair materials [18-Dec-24 12:06 PM] laaxus#0000 Well that's depressing [18-Dec-24 12:06 PM] laaxus#0000 (the stream) [18-Dec-24 12:07 PM] roche3950#0000 tldr for those of us that canโ€™t watch? :( [18-Dec-24 12:08 PM] laaxus#0000 - the team has been divided by two since 2024 because of money issue - German economy in its current state doesn't help - Goodes will arrive sooner or later, but that's irregular [18-Dec-24 12:09 PM] laaxus#0000 German economy in its current state doesn't help [18-Dec-24 12:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So they were 6 people? [18-Dec-24 12:09 PM] laaxus#0000 7-8 [18-Dec-24 12:09 PM] laaxus#0000 now they're 3 and 1 of them work part-time [18-Dec-24 12:11 PM] laaxus#0000 I'll do a tl;dr [18-Dec-24 12:17 PM] realharvey#0000 Pro license is on sale [18-Dec-24 12:27 PM] realharvey#0000 IDC related questions just get dodged :D [18-Dec-24 12:29 PM] tanda#0000 It's far too much a hot topic for them to address directly [18-Dec-24 12:33 PM] laaxus#0000 Part 1 : - they've been struggling to find influencers to advertise the game, but now they've started working with an agency and hope it helps increasing the number of player - German translation being completed allowed them to put the "german" tag on steam, which helped a bit. They will integrate community translation once they're done - They talked about politic and parliament slightly but I was looking at something else, but they're really satisfied how people are actually running for parliament - One day, they'll incorporate the parliament context (aka systems) into corporations - They like the external tool, they copied burn rate from pmmg because he believes that's great for every player, they're a bit depressed to see how some can develop new features so fast (joking) - Roadmap has been updated - They present the new Roadmap (honestly just go read it) - Multi item contract is planned [18-Dec-24 12:33 PM] laaxus#0000 I had to stop because of this [18-Dec-24 12:33 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1319009654742716516/image.png?ex=68150ff7&is=6813be77&hm=fc12a1e296df1a8bbe188ba1aecd3c13a4750735a922b6c0e6186aa239c44e32& [18-Dec-24 12:33 PM] laaxus#0000 LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [18-Dec-24 12:37 PM] laaxus#0000 yeah they aren't answering any question [18-Dec-24 12:45 PM] laaxus#0000 Part 2 : - Shipping route : quality of life, automating ships, you can add or remove multiple ships per route, with autorefuel - No reset in sight 45m in, i'm quitting, honestly this is less interesting than I had planned [18-Dec-24 12:52 PM] realharvey#0000 they are developers. Not really entertaining yeah [18-Dec-24 12:52 PM] realharvey#0000 but still intersting [18-Dec-24 12:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s not like they can pay for a community manager [18-Dec-24 12:58 PM] laaxus#0000 It's not about entertainment, I just feel like they don't add much more on what's written on the roadmap [18-Dec-24 01:09 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I thought some of the context they gave way pretty interesting [18-Dec-24 01:11 PM] laaxus#0000 Yeah IDC questions are being dodged [18-Dec-24 01:11 PM] laaxus#0000 twice they answer a question just below mine ๐Ÿ˜„ [18-Dec-24 01:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Tangential but I thought when you said โ€œ45m in Iโ€™m quittingโ€ I thought you meant the game but then I got it that you meant 45 minutes into the stream ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [18-Dec-24 01:15 PM] realharvey#0000 45 Months of Gametime before quitting [18-Dec-24 01:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Bc like I hit 45 million pretty quick ๐Ÿ˜ณ [18-Dec-24 01:16 PM] realharvey#0000 uhh interesting answer right now. [18-Dec-24 01:16 PM] realharvey#0000 Apprently there will be a bigger ship cargobay to move Gateway components [18-Dec-24 01:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes ๐Ÿ™Œ [18-Dec-24 01:17 PM] laaxus#0000 yeah we saw screens month ago [18-Dec-24 01:18 PM] realbandit#0000 We knew GWS would weigh 5kt a while ago, but we didn't know if there would be new cargo bays to match. [18-Dec-24 01:20 PM] laaxus#0000 THEY SAID THE WORD MARKET MAKERS [18-Dec-24 01:20 PM] laaxus#0000 so they can [18-Dec-24 01:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So there should be 10k/10k so I can fit 2 of them [18-Dec-24 01:21 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I could fit a million PE... ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿ˜† [18-Dec-24 01:21 PM] realharvey#0000 I want that [18-Dec-24 01:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think we all do [18-Dec-24 01:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I could fit like 5k HAL [18-Dec-24 01:26 PM] realharvey#0000 you need more permits on halcyon then to fill that ship quicker [18-Dec-24 01:26 PM] tanda#0000 How freaking slow would a ship like that move, tho [18-Dec-24 01:27 PM] realharvey#0000 I'd love to just throw more engines at it [18-Dec-24 01:27 PM] realharvey#0000 more fuel consumption? Yes. More fun? also yes [18-Dec-24 01:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Donโ€™t tempt me with a good time ๐Ÿ‘€ [18-Dec-24 01:31 PM] realharvey#0000 there'll be hilarious designs then [18-Dec-24 01:31 PM] realharvey#0000 5k/5K CX to CX in 1 hour. And tons of SF usage [18-Dec-24 01:33 PM] laaxus#0000 Fabian did not say ONE WORD from the entire stream [18-Dec-24 01:33 PM] laaxus#0000 except introduction [18-Dec-24 01:33 PM] laaxus#0000 :KEKW: [18-Dec-24 01:33 PM] realharvey#0000 he did say a few words [18-Dec-24 01:33 PM] realharvey#0000 more than that {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [18-Dec-24 01:33 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1319024878057291787/04b2f6baf53eb4617179201d67b7fc0f.png?ex=68147565&is=681323e5&hm=f18803285eb56e81e9fd50878772a79df566689aa8b298e72a739f4b450348da& [18-Dec-24 01:35 PM] finestone#0000 I think he did an entire section during the roadmap i think he just never talked when they where showing cams [18-Dec-24 01:35 PM] jcheung#0000 Ooh [18-Dec-24 01:36 PM] laaxus#0000 oh maybe I was not there at that moment {Reactions} x_pokemon [18-Dec-24 01:36 PM] laaxus#0000 mb then [18-Dec-24 09:29 PM] tanda#0000 @Market Alerts Looks like Oxygen is officially now in short supply with no demand spikes {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1319144637365092452/image.png?ex=6814e4ee&is=6813936e&hm=b0c10e54fdb26de6b22542298589ce177801c40f453e9a752d2c6b7b96e00f88& {Reactions} z_pepe_monkas [18-Dec-24 09:29 PM] tanda#0000 Did we have a producer quit? [18-Dec-24 09:30 PM] jvaler#0000 nano's offer got eaten through? [18-Dec-24 09:30 PM] jvaler#0000 there was like 40k listed a week ago [18-Dec-24 09:30 PM] tanda#0000 It appears so [18-Dec-24 09:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Wild [18-Dec-24 09:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So youโ€™re saying I should upgrade my HQ and build an Oxygen base [18-Dec-24 09:33 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1319145507980841012/image.png?ex=6814e5bd&is=6813943d&hm=cb129c97ad6e54ae09f2252081f5384c60ae9119b5701a939e26aa7a2816304e& [18-Dec-24 09:33 PM] manhim#0000 Well dam [18-Dec-24 09:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/7gu066NS573He2fChJWvVqiPs5xnYI1HFH3VhFX2i7k/https/media.tenor.com/3xoRK7hFE3gAAAAe/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants.png [18-Dec-24 09:34 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, and that's without any weird demand spikes [18-Dec-24 09:34 PM] manhim#0000 Probably means that we lost producers [18-Dec-24 09:37 PM] jvaler#0000 wasn't nano that left at least, although it sounds like they keep accidentally getting full on storage in their O base lol [18-Dec-24 09:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The gas do build up like that [18-Dec-24 09:40 PM] manhim#0000 For 1 full base ๐Ÿ˜„ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1319147393261899869/image.png?ex=6814e77f&is=681395ff&hm=03989b18a28a70899158deb34df44c1ce987a581b029cd48a057e94dbb165cd1& [18-Dec-24 09:41 PM] manhim#0000 Without experts [18-Dec-24 09:42 PM] manhim#0000 With everything it requires dailly 2k/2k shipping [18-Dec-24 09:42 PM] getonthetrain#0000 meh, why work hard when you can just make another IDC base? {Reactions} ๐Ÿฅฒ [18-Dec-24 09:43 PM] manhim#0000 xD [18-Dec-24 09:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Need bigger ships nyao [18-Dec-24 09:43 PM] manhim#0000 I need more ships soon. I'm at about my breaking point for logistics. [18-Dec-24 09:44 PM] tanda#0000 EvoV has you covered, or Rise, or there's a good few options [18-Dec-24 09:44 PM] tanda#0000 just get one with local delivery [18-Dec-24 09:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Many good ship builders in Antares [18-Dec-24 09:45 PM] manhim#0000 Yeah, waiting on repaying 3 loans, then I'll probably try to find a loan to buy another ship. [18-Dec-24 09:46 PM] manhim#0000 Livin' on credit ๐Ÿ˜Ž {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฒ [18-Dec-24 09:48 PM] tanda#0000 Me too, my dude {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1319149432674975794/image.png?ex=6814e965&is=681397e5&hm=9bb8e88971851e7591bce8967adf99ba38ebfdc214de20e800c7017a3aa57fe1& [18-Dec-24 11:23 PM] riseoffilth#0000 @tanda @jvaler i got 30k sitting around ill sell for 100/u if you need for personal use [18-Dec-24 11:25 PM] jvaler#0000 i should have enough to just ride it out [19-Dec-24 12:18 AM] evov#0000 r.e. Oxygen spike - does anyone know what the cause of it is? I have about 20k O sitting on ant I'll start to feed into the market. I'll hold onto whatever I've got at other CX's wait to see how the markets play out. [19-Dec-24 12:31 AM] .shiva.#0000 to me it looks like a slight increase in buys over time with slowly dwindling supply since Oct: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1319190264149053490/image.png?ex=68150f6c&is=6813bdec&hm=bd0639a1a50feb969bfe2e2d82f5a8ff0a102e3eed835de46a8293097ff654c5& [19-Dec-24 12:32 AM] .shiva.#0000 a couple people that are on the top 25 producers for 90 days are not on the 7day LEAD as well, but it's mostly the same folks [19-Dec-24 12:36 AM] evov#0000 For whatever it's worth, this is my CX activity for Oxygen over the past few months - {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1319191608331337802/image.png?ex=681510ac&is=6813bf2c&hm=2467b9a1ff2f7a766aa25b8c482f4396218f944ff86425d5b6657801b846854f& [19-Dec-24 12:37 AM] evov#0000 Most of it being sold in ANT, with some amount shipped off to other CX's as needed {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1319191884874252368/image.png?ex=681510ee&is=6813bf6e&hm=9ad12407038dbe9024861ce287df2cfa5b198a2d8ae8a36cca38a6f748264e7d& [19-Dec-24 04:47 AM] sgt.skeleton#0000 https://tenor.com/view/sol-marms-solmarms-marms-marms-nft-nft-gif-9104071459210809787 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sol-marms-solmarms-marms-marms-nft-nft-gif-9104071459210809787 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/HYqdkZqiDHpa08TjflM5ibNSrg09rr7aTfufFUmEJBs/https/media.tenor.com/flgowbgIUbsAAAAe/sol-marms-solmarms.png [19-Dec-24 07:08 AM] igfloz#0000 I can put some O up also [19-Dec-24 11:05 AM] finestone#0000 The government of KI-401b is currently offering an incentive initiative due to high unemployment. This is a metallurgy planet with good concentrations of FEO, ZIR and TIO. We have 600 Techs whose bases have since closed down and need jobs! The planet is under new management now and we will work hard to keep your buildings fully employed! (Me and Okawari) We are offering a 50k grant for placing a new base and an additional 50k grant for using some of the available Techs on a new or existing base. I will be offering SEA at 100/u and Tanda is offering INS at 110/u. This has been posted on the Bulletin-Board and will up for quite some time, So if its still up there it is still active. Thanks All! [20-Dec-24 06:36 PM] tanda#0000 @Market Alerts {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1319825897208938506/image.png?ex=6814bc67&is=68136ae7&hm=ff0bd179f92d014d459af39fc8a58d811dc7e023501fbe8f9bc164bfbd56d147& [20-Dec-24 06:37 PM] tanda#0000 what just happened to PE? [20-Dec-24 06:40 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Worseize is trying to prop the price up unreasonably high on BEN. Posting huge bids at 14/u. People probably bought out ANT trying to capitalize on that [20-Dec-24 06:42 PM] tanda#0000 at some point I would love to see these people's loss mails [20-Dec-24 06:42 PM] tanda#0000 guess I need to swap over more of Hephaestus to PE [20-Dec-24 06:42 PM] jcheung#0000 _grumbles_ [20-Dec-24 06:42 PM] jcheung#0000 right when i was thinking about buying more PE [20-Dec-24 06:43 PM] evov#0000 I think this is a continuation of an earlier PE spike / shortage. [20-Dec-24 06:43 PM] evov#0000 I bought up all the PE in Moria as a retaliation to the price spike on the ANT CX. {Reactions} Death [20-Dec-24 06:44 PM] jcheung#0000 i mean pe has been decently stable for the last month, and even at a low point for the last 6 months {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1319827753087926312/image.png?ex=6814be21&is=68136ca1&hm=dd711a2dcc094d3a6e537756151c31a057d021845c1007f2c181de92991a3142& [20-Dec-24 06:45 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 It's not gonna hold though, prices will probably drop real low soon, BMPs are versatile and they've just encouraged *a lot* of production without any actual increase in demand [20-Dec-24 06:45 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I've got some demand right here, lol [20-Dec-24 06:45 PM] tanda#0000 I'm trying to buy 200k for Kevin again [20-Dec-24 06:46 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I make 70k PE/d, I still got you [20-Dec-24 06:47 PM] evov#0000 I can't find where the previous discussion on PE was. I feel like it might have been in the now removed members section of this discord, maybe it was somewhere else. Either way - I have .... plenty... of PE.. I'll keep dumping it into the market till the price gets back under 10 or 11/unit [20-Dec-24 06:47 PM] tanda#0000 @evov nothing gets removed, just archived @Archive Viewer [20-Dec-24 06:50 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1319829190920372346/image.png?ex=6814bf78&is=68136df8&hm=a66944d3f785214530dcef0a2852349f409beccf0d69d95e6c67196fdfed9604& [20-Dec-24 06:50 PM] evov#0000 3 days ago on the UFO discord - my reaction to the ANT PE price spike - {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1319829222319194132/image.png?ex=6814bf7f&is=68136dff&hm=a5594df2e55fe5f236ff5912605b6090eeb33b3433a178c07693451ad5160d8c& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (3) [20-Dec-24 06:50 PM] tanda#0000 About time BMPs were profitable [20-Dec-24 06:51 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I've got 100k at ANT right now [20-Dec-24 06:52 PM] tanda#0000 Still happy with INS swap? [20-Dec-24 06:53 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Absolutely [20-Dec-24 06:53 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1319830074731528202/image.png?ex=6814c04b&is=68136ecb&hm=41823523e12ffd85bbeb81b0b26fe0e53dc1055dca8ea654a0651cd11f6c7373& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ [20-Dec-24 06:54 PM] tanda#0000 Are you still at 18:1? [20-Dec-24 06:55 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Yeah that works for me. I'm not at PC to check, but I'd rather not adjust based on current PE averages [20-Dec-24 06:55 PM] tanda#0000 oh, I thought they were internal anyway, lol [20-Dec-24 06:57 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Oh yeah, maybe that's what I based it on, I don't even remember ๐Ÿ˜… [20-Dec-24 07:00 PM] jvaler#0000 that pings all archive viewer users =P [20-Dec-24 07:00 PM] tanda#0000 That's what the silent was for ๐Ÿ˜› [20-Dec-24 07:06 PM] jvaler#0000 i still got the ping ๐Ÿง [20-Dec-24 07:06 PM] tanda#0000 ah, ~~moderator ~~administrator life [20-Dec-24 07:09 PM] jvaler#0000 that's a thing? that makes no sense =( [20-Dec-24 07:38 PM] moke.#0000 I got 70k PE at ANT now if anyone is jonesing [21-Dec-24 05:48 AM] sgt.skeleton#0000 PT with TRN is pretty bgood [21-Dec-24 10:28 AM] archielvahr#0000 Crazy: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1320065349776834580/image.png?ex=6814f2a9&is=6813a129&hm=77b079b36ab8cd1322fad46ca2837bdb39c75f4dde5cfea5daa78212383b8864& [21-Dec-24 10:28 AM] archielvahr#0000 I was wondering if he'd buy out FLX at 900+, apparently so [21-Dec-24 10:43 AM] evov#0000 Could be worse... you could be in MOR ๐Ÿ™‚ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1320069202392125690/image.png?ex=6814f63f&is=6813a4bf&hm=ada03da139885c093de9935c6db1edda3502a8e64e64f99461d03cad0e5e1eef& [21-Dec-24 12:28 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Lol. I think I gave you guys some foreshadowing on the market warfare issue, like a few days ago. It's somewhere around here... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1320095627685793884/Screenshot_from_2024-12-21_11-56-28.png?ex=68150edb&is=6813bd5b&hm=534f7f5e5b1d3f848ec6632c65ad207fb286cf1d46d938c5adace487d8680f60& [21-Dec-24 02:02 PM] archielvahr#0000 oof, if I lived in MOR, the price of FLX would be the _least_ of my worries! ๐Ÿ˜† [22-Dec-24 01:14 PM] realharvey#0000 finally some appropriate named ships {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1320469635119714375/image.png?ex=681519ae&is=6813c82e&hm=9391ba98c4eafc644ac670185d4c1cc429d46b1d0e31b860d59a38b4cbc60358& [22-Dec-24 06:03 PM] jcheung#0000 next one should be ADI Corki {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [23-Dec-24 01:52 AM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/praise-dance-hallelujah-praise-the-lord-praise-break-gif-15107361664965714702 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/praise-dance-hallelujah-praise-the-lord-praise-break-gif-15107361664965714702 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/gDNYPFU8ZKDC9x-rAQDNsrEQS2qwHgGMzsLUmBEY5j4/https/media.tenor.com/0aghZF2iow4AAAAe/praise-dance-hallelujah.png [23-Dec-24 03:29 AM] avalock#0000 WRUFF ARF [23-Dec-24 03:29 AM] avalock#0000 WOOF [23-Dec-24 03:29 AM] avalock#0000 WRUFF [23-Dec-24 03:29 AM] avalock#0000 AWROOOOO [23-Dec-24 07:25 PM] jvaler#0000 @Market Alerts it looks like PT.AI1 is unstable since thursday {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1320925344131317801/image.png?ex=6814c7d7&is=68137657&hm=1e46ab9d7bc703801811041e9016ad3a9c91ece5a22626039f2f3ce5890b31db& [23-Dec-24 07:29 PM] jvaler#0000 i put some of my stock up though [23-Dec-24 07:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So youโ€™re saying I should make some cheap tungsten and make some PT {Reactions} dread link_cool [23-Dec-24 07:31 PM] evov#0000 Looks at the moment like there's still over 2 weeks of trade volume up there. [23-Dec-24 07:32 PM] jvaler#0000 a lot of that is rise's unreasonably high listings [23-Dec-24 07:32 PM] jvaler#0000 the 5k i put up is like the sum of all other offers rn lol [23-Dec-24 07:39 PM] evov#0000 If it gets up to 700/u I've got around 5k PT I can use to ensure supply. Until then, I feel like it's worth it to just let the BMP enjoyers have a little bit of a payday. [23-Dec-24 07:41 PM] marat_sh#0000 The consumption for them is so low I wouldn't even notice even at ~700/u [23-Dec-24 07:42 PM] tanda#0000 It's taken me a month to make it nearly through 500 PT I bought during the last instability [23-Dec-24 07:42 PM] tanda#0000 not going to say non-issue, but I think this will be adapted to [23-Dec-24 07:43 PM] marat_sh#0000 before I switch from "manufaturing only", I've made this ^ ๐Ÿ˜… {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1320929853075357706/image.png?ex=6814cc0a&is=68137a8a&hm=32a1c3095186aacf4b73fb2ff9a50968a008503976d87e16e3ee07603a7c2a6b& [23-Dec-24 07:44 PM] marat_sh#0000 will last me for quite a while ๐Ÿ™ˆ [23-Dec-24 07:45 PM] tanda#0000 I still run BMPs. If it gets bad, I'll set the balance of my after-I orders to run PT for a few weeks and then provide some buffer [23-Dec-24 07:46 PM] marat_sh#0000 also I update my stock daily so if someone needs HAL (I have 2k in stock right now) feel free to grab it (I am getting cleaned out super fast) [24-Dec-24 07:21 AM] tanda#0000 Well this is concerning {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1321105462661484625/image.png?ex=6814c6d7&is=68137557&hm=7cb3fea78f76cc0fe291d3da45f3db917f5354271f5f9dbf3af086214e66fd16& [24-Dec-24 07:25 AM] jcheung#0000 well fuck [24-Dec-24 07:25 AM] jcheung#0000 i shouldn't have procrastinated dropping a new PG base [24-Dec-24 07:26 AM] tanda#0000 How much do you need? I overproduce EPO by about 10%, so could use that to feed PG for a bit [24-Dec-24 07:27 AM] jcheung#0000 uhm [24-Dec-24 07:28 AM] jcheung#0000 around 3k/d i think? maybe a little less [24-Dec-24 07:29 AM] jcheung#0000 ....do i really want to take out another loan >.> got stupid repairs coming up, on top of existing loan payments.... [24-Dec-24 07:31 AM] tanda#0000 I'm not going to be able to supply that level of PG. I can supply about 10% of that. (And I don't have a crazy amount of buffer built up yet) [24-Dec-24 07:40 AM] jcheung#0000 i saw the writing on the wall [24-Dec-24 07:41 AM] jcheung#0000 but i diverted too much into getting nike operational, combined with lowered activity [24-Dec-24 07:42 AM] jcheung#0000 made plans and took out a loan for it a month and a half ago but didn't quite get to it [24-Dec-24 07:42 AM] jcheung#0000 regrets.... [24-Dec-24 07:42 AM] jcheung#0000 well. here goes nothing. off to 639d with.... a 3 POL drop because that's what i think i can afford right now [24-Dec-24 07:42 AM] laaxus#0000 I wonder where all this epo is going [24-Dec-24 07:43 AM] laaxus#0000 is it truly for rfabs ? [24-Dec-24 07:43 AM] laaxus#0000 I don't see it that much volume traded on the cx [24-Dec-24 07:43 AM] laaxus#0000 is it for personnal consumption ? [24-Dec-24 07:43 AM] jcheung#0000 eh? [24-Dec-24 07:44 AM] jcheung#0000 i need PG not EPO, tanda offered to swap some of their EPO -> PG [24-Dec-24 07:47 AM] laaxus#0000 yes [24-Dec-24 07:47 AM] laaxus#0000 but what I mean, is that there's a lot of EPO bases out there [24-Dec-24 07:47 AM] laaxus#0000 and EPO being bought on the CX [24-Dec-24 07:47 AM] laaxus#0000 but I don't see where that EPO is going [24-Dec-24 07:50 AM] jcheung#0000 OFF, Rfabs [24-Dec-24 07:50 AM] jcheung#0000 probably the two primary [24-Dec-24 07:51 AM] jcheung#0000 need some for Afabs (ABH) too, and shipbuilding, but i don't see both of those consuming massive amounts [24-Dec-24 07:54 AM] realharvey#0000 EPO is slower in production and consumption [24-Dec-24 10:12 AM] roche3950#0000 @jcheung How long can you wait? I am planning PG for my next base and may be able to help [24-Dec-24 10:47 AM] jcheung#0000 Eh. No idea [24-Dec-24 10:47 AM] jcheung#0000 I sent off 3 POLs to be placed somewhere though so hopefully that'll help [24-Dec-24 11:26 AM] realharvey#0000 I have already a full PG base on its way [24-Dec-24 12:35 PM] tanda#0000 On half a base of RFAB, I eat a whole base of EPO [24-Dec-24 12:51 PM] marat_sh#0000 I have 1k EPO per day and itโ€™s cleaned out instantly ๐Ÿ˜… [24-Dec-24 01:14 PM] sidepipe#0000 the undercutting will continue until prices improve {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1321194248388739103/image.png?ex=68151987&is=6813c807&hm=00309cad3843e832f72d3f43337c4721759b7fcd3d0d53452728913da4fa9d15& [24-Dec-24 01:14 PM] sidepipe#0000 rakkzi has been buying and flipping FLX, so I keep listing only 500ish at a time [24-Dec-24 01:40 PM] jvaler#0000 you're our diligent antarian soldier [24-Dec-24 01:40 PM] jvaler#0000 do not let them get any sales from this [24-Dec-24 01:48 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I've been doing the same with PE on BEN. They keep buying me out then resisting, so I just keep putting up 20k at a time under them. They have to have lost *so much money*. [24-Dec-24 01:49 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 They bought a couple big batches at like 14/u and are now selling at 9 [24-Dec-24 04:47 PM] evov#0000 Yea, there's not really much else you can do. Just keep reposting smallish batches so they don't get any sales + start up production to try to fill in the gap that they're buying. I keep re-posting flx every time I log on, but sometimes it just gets cleared. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1321247879867662347/image.png?ex=6814a2ba&is=6813513a&hm=a032785cee925c3dd6e5b396cc29c80e1b93a67dddb32fbab393ebd3c29fb08e& [24-Dec-24 05:17 PM] sidepipe#0000 I keep checking back, so Iโ€™ll only undercut if you donโ€™t already have an order there - that way we maximize the work required for him to keep re-listing ๐Ÿ˜„ [24-Dec-24 08:35 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1321305305362993194/image.png?ex=6814d835&is=681386b5&hm=5f77f80b6e44e8b6921df8854dd58a268589339015c4322823b807aa15d8ad39& [24-Dec-24 08:36 PM] tanda#0000 (it was me) [24-Dec-24 08:47 PM] manhim#0000 Damn you market manipulator! ๐Ÿ”ฅ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [25-Dec-24 05:17 AM] laaxus#0000 What was your secret Santa gift ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1321436621580664885/image.png?ex=6814a9c1&is=68135841&hm=4c122425e5d6f2716ed4c219dd8542d31a70f437cd151981c1330468aedf7482& [25-Dec-24 05:36 AM] jvaler#0000 =) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1321441360603123783/image.png?ex=6814ae2b&is=68135cab&hm=5d03755471b6064c2fd678c1fd6a0d7031304296649ce7118225f92dd4e83308& [25-Dec-24 05:37 AM] laaxus#0000 that's a lot of kombucha [25-Dec-24 05:37 AM] laaxus#0000 I hope pi love alcohol [25-Dec-24 06:28 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I got 100 AAR, gonna make some COM [25-Dec-24 04:06 PM] jcheung#0000 ....is kombucha alcoholic? [25-Dec-24 04:07 PM] jcheung#0000 eh. okay [25-Dec-24 04:07 PM] jcheung#0000 apparently the low end of KOM is 0.5% [25-Dec-24 04:08 PM] jcheung#0000 ...apple juice is allowed 0.6% apparently [25-Dec-24 04:08 PM] jcheung#0000 (according to one unverified source) [25-Dec-24 04:18 PM] roche3950#0000 think trace quantities from fermentation process, yes [25-Dec-24 04:18 PM] jcheung#0000 0.5% is considered non alcoholic btw [25-Dec-24 04:18 PM] jcheung#0000 at least in 'merica [25-Dec-24 04:18 PM] roche3950#0000 yup [25-Dec-24 04:19 PM] roche3950#0000 recall they used to sell some *fantastic* apple cider in IKEA [25-Dec-24 04:19 PM] roche3950#0000 which contained 0.5% alcohol, s'how I learned [25-Dec-24 04:19 PM] roche3950#0000 :hesrightyouknow: this [25-Dec-24 04:20 PM] jcheung#0000 (that's just apple juice) [25-Dec-24 04:20 PM] roche3950#0000 Yeah, I know [25-Dec-24 04:20 PM] roche3950#0000 they nonetheless branded it as cider, and I liked it a lot, and I can't find it anymore [25-Dec-24 04:20 PM] roche3950#0000 https://www.reddit.com/r/IKEA/comments/104bsw6/does_anyone_know_what_happened_to_the_apple_cider/ my bad, 0.1% {Embed} https://www.reddit.com/r/IKEA/comments/104bsw6/does_anyone_know_what_happened_to_the_apple_cider/ From the IKEA community on Reddit: Does anyone know what happened t... Explore this post and more from the IKEA community https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/mYjDbRbM_J2TpijEGEBHNDFG3Xu10B1u4Nf4Zd-Vxs8/https/share.redd.it/preview/post/104bsw6 [25-Dec-24 04:22 PM] roche3950#0000 I think the actual 0.5% consideration is a holdover from the Volstead Act (implementation of Prohibition in America) [25-Dec-24 04:22 PM] jcheung#0000 well did you sign the petition? ๐Ÿ˜› [25-Dec-24 04:25 PM] roche3950#0000 lol [25-Dec-24 04:25 PM] roche3950#0000 I didn't, but that's just because that Reddit post was the top result about it [25-Dec-24 04:26 PM] roche3950#0000 and I needed an image of the can (and-and that post is a few years old now) [25-Dec-24 04:53 PM] marat_sh#0000 TCL is empty on on CX? {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [25-Dec-24 04:57 PM] razenpok#0000 How much do you need? [25-Dec-24 05:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 none, I was just browsing market ๐Ÿ˜… [25-Dec-24 05:05 PM] razenpok#0000 Ah, ye, tcl market has been thinning recently [25-Dec-24 05:08 PM] marat_sh#0000 KV was getting cheaper and TCL was getting more expensive [25-Dec-24 06:40 PM] tanda#0000 Oh, belated year in prun celebration! I passed my year mark two days ago! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1321638747158216735/image.png?ex=6814bd40&is=68136bc0&hm=4b5a06a64082b7f7159c0ff6cac484b58e89491b8885366076fb8c32f4dafc17& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (4) ๐ŸŽ‰ (5) [25-Dec-24 09:19 PM] evov#0000 The cost of all the inputs for TCL are really high at the moment. So that might be scaring people away from making it? [25-Dec-24 09:20 PM] evov#0000 Luckily, I doesn't afraid of anything. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1321679025315512420/image.png?ex=6814e2c3&is=68139143&hm=d1efc887f7c9d09c80b85e41a869a4e2e0a059d8f33f606ac9fb02d60676a4bf& {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [25-Dec-24 09:36 PM] marat_sh#0000 Just finished TCL base (~50/d) many more to come [25-Dec-24 09:37 PM] tanda#0000 At least Chemistry will never lose profitability [26-Dec-24 06:54 PM] tanda#0000 Looks like I'm going to need some extra helping hands to settle Kevin and KI-401c before too long [26-Dec-24 07:05 PM] finestone#0000 what did you have in mind? [26-Dec-24 07:06 PM] tanda#0000 It looks like I need some PIO consumption on both planets and I also have enough pop on Kevin for a whole other base of PP3 [26-Dec-24 07:07 PM] tanda#0000 honestly if someone were to copy my Rfab setup and plop it onto one of the planets it would work pretty well [26-Dec-24 07:12 PM] finestone#0000 Gotcha I don't do construction [26-Dec-24 08:54 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1322034835295961088/image.png?ex=6814dca2&is=68138b22&hm=85eea5a7ecac7c4e08924a11ab221d120fe1e4ddd55f377ae0bdb44daf1a8a05& [26-Dec-24 08:54 PM] tanda#0000 Alright people [26-Dec-24 08:54 PM] tanda#0000 why is KI-401 wrecking my ship [26-Dec-24 08:54 PM] tanda#0000 it's only 2.6 micrometeroid [26-Dec-24 09:14 PM] archielvahr#0000 Is it a gas giant penalty or something? [26-Dec-24 09:15 PM] archielvahr#0000 That's a long STL flight, I think it's proportional to duration for that leg. Is that radiation from the K type star? I don't really remember the rules for that [26-Dec-24 09:15 PM] archielvahr#0000 I know Hern had reverse engineered all the damage types [26-Dec-24 09:16 PM] archielvahr#0000 I see my unshielded ship takes 10x the damage as my shielded one: [26-Dec-24 09:16 PM] archielvahr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1322040362864480276/image.png?ex=6814e1c8&is=68139048&hm=acbabd79cbb1a316289c74d6d6902dbbd03d4e3f687e054e19acc6637e95d732& [26-Dec-24 09:16 PM] archielvahr#0000 On step 8 there [26-Dec-24 09:17 PM] archielvahr#0000 1.8% is bonkers though [26-Dec-24 09:17 PM] tanda#0000 I ask because I just went from KI-401c to Kevin and had similar results [26-Dec-24 09:18 PM] tanda#0000 so I *think* it's system related [26-Dec-24 09:18 PM] tanda#0000 but Thalassa doesn't eat my ships like this [26-Dec-24 09:19 PM] archielvahr#0000 I think it's solar radiation from kevin being so close to the sun [26-Dec-24 09:19 PM] archielvahr#0000 I can replicate it in the BTF [26-Dec-24 09:20 PM] tanda#0000 I see that too, but it's still high going 401c to 401d [26-Dec-24 09:20 PM] tanda#0000 which is quite a bit further from the sun [26-Dec-24 09:21 PM] archielvahr#0000 Hmm still testing... [26-Dec-24 09:21 PM] tanda#0000 so are K types just that much stronger radiation? Or do you think a variety of factors are at play? [26-Dec-24 09:21 PM] archielvahr#0000 Nah, I just tried them all, whipple shielding is the one that mitigates it from KI-401a to KI-401d [26-Dec-24 09:22 PM] tanda#0000 oh jeez. So it's just a factor of distance [26-Dec-24 09:22 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah I think so [26-Dec-24 09:22 PM] tanda#0000 at least whipple shielding is cheaper than radiation shielding [26-Dec-24 09:22 PM] tanda#0000 ... I think [26-Dec-24 09:23 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah Akyan is sellin' em cheap on the CX [26-Dec-24 09:25 PM] tanda#0000 looks like I should drop that particular ship back to BHP too [26-Dec-24 09:26 PM] archielvahr#0000 We've got AHP on the books too! [26-Dec-24 09:26 PM] archielvahr#0000 This is a STL ship? [26-Dec-24 09:27 PM] tanda#0000 no, it is FTL capable as well, but considering the expense involved here, I'm just going to dedicate that ship for that area [26-Dec-24 09:28 PM] tanda#0000 and yeah, running basically the same setup with BHP and AWH, it's 1/6th the damage sustained [26-Dec-24 09:28 PM] tanda#0000 I'm not sure I want to go higher plate levels due to the accleration tradeoff [26-Dec-24 09:29 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah it's too bad AHP aren't a bit lighter [26-Dec-24 09:29 PM] tanda#0000 eh, it looks like it's not even worth it to drop back to BHP [26-Dec-24 09:30 PM] tanda#0000 .02% less damage [26-Dec-24 09:30 PM] tanda#0000 nothing like 1.8% per transit vs .3% lol [26-Dec-24 09:30 PM] tanda#0000 Thanks, Archiel! [26-Dec-24 09:30 PM] archielvahr#0000 ๐Ÿ‘ Anytime! [26-Dec-24 10:31 PM] jcheung#0000 better idea [26-Dec-24 10:31 PM] jcheung#0000 just never repair ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Dec-24 05:53 AM] akyantor#0000 It should be pretty affordable now... been stocking up the CX at a good price. ๐Ÿ™‚ [27-Dec-24 07:42 AM] realharvey#0000 did I hear my Name? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1322197897210761338/image.png?ex=6814cbbf&is=68137a3f&hm=d2fb173d72305cb175c4923bd05f4802c6ce9f4512ef21068d75c8d1d7d038d9& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฑ ๐Ÿซฃ [27-Dec-24 07:43 AM] laaxus#0000 This image hurts [27-Dec-24 08:07 AM] tanda#0000 Do me a favor and do a BTF with Husky 2 between Kevin and KI-401d [27-Dec-24 08:08 AM] tanda#0000 I'm curious how big the flight time difference is [27-Dec-24 08:45 AM] realharvey#0000 should be something like this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1322213702757519411/image.png?ex=6814da78&is=681388f8&hm=219a86e0383d5556f70bf11d4fdfe85241f9951664a7e61c54ced6110b69503e& [27-Dec-24 08:45 AM] realharvey#0000 more fuel more okay :D {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1322213778187616397/image.png?ex=6814da8a&is=6813890a&hm=bc018338be1295dec587bfd406521d83ee080515ef6f4a3e88f67fdcf45a48f2& [27-Dec-24 08:46 AM] marat_sh#0000 ooof that's a lof of dmg [27-Dec-24 08:47 AM] marat_sh#0000 I've learned the hard way to only have 1 base in the system and just do jumps to next systems [27-Dec-24 09:24 PM] getonthetrain#0000 Aluminum gone crazy at ANT, nearly 1000 {Reactions} lookup [27-Dec-24 09:50 PM] tanda#0000 All markets. Did EvoV buy it all again? [27-Dec-24 11:34 PM] evov#0000 No, not all, I made sure there was still plenty there for anyone who needs it. I just bought all the cheap stuff. Cheap AL prices is like a foot on the throat of hard working Antarean smelters. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™ [28-Dec-24 12:14 AM] jcheung#0000 ope. sent repair mats to the wrong place. twice. i'm good at this. [28-Dec-24 10:20 AM] laaxus#0000 I still did not received my secret Santa gift ๐Ÿ˜” [28-Dec-24 10:31 AM] tanda#0000 I'm sorry to hear that, they do have through the first [28-Dec-24 10:38 AM] jcheung#0000 100 C [28-Dec-24 11:06 AM] jvaler#0000 same lol [28-Dec-24 11:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I was a good kid and sent mine {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‡ [28-Dec-24 11:06 AM] tanda#0000 I sent mine as well [28-Dec-24 11:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I actually knew them [28-Dec-24 11:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Sent them some NS [28-Dec-24 11:06 AM] jvaler#0000 ooh nice [28-Dec-24 11:07 AM] .urpalhal#0000 And some HAL ๐Ÿ˜‚ [28-Dec-24 11:07 AM] jvaler#0000 ofc [28-Dec-24 11:07 AM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [28-Dec-24 11:07 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Imma sucker for salt [28-Dec-24 11:09 AM] jvaler#0000 same lolol ๐Ÿ˜‹ [28-Dec-24 11:09 AM] tanda#0000 Any guesses what I gave my giftee? [28-Dec-24 11:09 AM] jvaler#0000 i think me answering is cheating [28-Dec-24 11:10 AM] .urpalhal#0000 INS [28-Dec-24 11:10 AM] tanda#0000 that is correct [28-Dec-24 11:10 AM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคฃ [28-Dec-24 11:10 AM] tanda#0000 I gave them an entire shipload, lol {Reactions} โ€ผ๏ธ [28-Dec-24 11:10 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oooh [28-Dec-24 11:10 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I just got money ๐Ÿ’ฐ [28-Dec-24 11:11 AM] tanda#0000 and then my Secret Santa gave me 2k AR/THF and 200k PE [28-Dec-24 11:11 AM] jvaler#0000 `fit ins 2000t 2000m [28-Dec-24 11:11 AM] FIDO#2937 {Embed} Max Units 20000 INS Remaining Weight 800.00t Remaining Volume 0.00mยณ [28-Dec-24 11:11 AM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/boykisser-yippie-boy-kisser-boykisser-yippie-gif-5849977510857873353 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/boykisser-yippie-boy-kisser-boykisser-yippie-gif-5849977510857873353 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/in5FiB8xIA5y3m5QPFhwuEeQwmvRnCIk1CdK8-Yp31s/https/media.tenor.com/US9LjTa1F8kAAAAe/boykisser-yippie.png [28-Dec-24 11:24 AM] jvaler#0000 hmm maybe something went wrong https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/855489711635431475/1322613388961906839 [28-Dec-24 11:28 AM] jcheung#0000 Oh no [28-Dec-24 11:29 AM] jcheung#0000 ....i learned of a cool zero trust secret santa thing [28-Dec-24 11:29 AM] jcheung#0000 Is kinda neat [28-Dec-24 11:30 AM] jvaler#0000 ? [28-Dec-24 11:32 AM] jcheung#0000 It's a way of doing secret santa with nobody knowing the pairs except for the gift giver, not even the organizer [28-Dec-24 11:33 AM] jvaler#0000 right, what's the way? [28-Dec-24 11:36 AM] jcheung#0000 You define an order for people to go in Each person, in order, writes down a pair of numbers When last is finished, first gets list. Scrambles order. Shifts second half down by one. Swaps the second half of their code with a new number. Each person can choose to shift down one, or not. Then swap their code with new number. Last person does not get to shift down, just swap their number Back to first. Swap first half of code with name. Repeat for all. List can be publicly posted at this point, i think [28-Dec-24 11:37 AM] jcheung#0000 Name is the giftee, code is the gifter [28-Dec-24 11:39 AM] tanda#0000 I think I need a math degree to apply this concept [28-Dec-24 11:40 AM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ตโ€๐Ÿ’ซ [28-Dec-24 11:40 AM] jcheung#0000 Well [28-Dec-24 11:40 AM] jcheung#0000 Take it in steps lol [28-Dec-24 11:40 AM] jcheung#0000 Granted if one person screws it up, it all breaks [28-Dec-24 11:43 AM] jcheung#0000 Basically all you need is 3 numbers that identify yourself to you [28-Dec-24 11:44 AM] jcheung#0000 Then you find the correct id each time you get the list and replace the correct part with another thing [28-Dec-24 12:03 PM] laaxus#0000 I have an easier one [28-Dec-24 12:03 PM] laaxus#0000 Everybody put its name in a bol [28-Dec-24 12:04 PM] laaxus#0000 Then everybody pick a name, randomly [28-Dec-24 12:04 PM] laaxus#0000 If it's its own, you repick [28-Dec-24 12:04 PM] laaxus#0000 If you're the last one, we redo the whole drawing [28-Dec-24 12:04 PM] tanda#0000 As a person with an incredibly common name, I can guarantee I would have to repick [28-Dec-24 12:05 PM] laaxus#0000 Just put your id card number then [28-Dec-24 12:12 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/sel-cps-fred-jamy-cest-pas-sorcier-gif-17044876 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sel-cps-fred-jamy-cest-pas-sorcier-gif-17044876 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/UUV37lBoO5lncHAC7lDEbJSiWJYdFa8PJd7m08qwNkw/https/media.tenor.com/X7HzO2HQEnUAAAAe/sel-cps.png [28-Dec-24 12:51 PM] tanda#0000 I figured it out, I can finally pull that second permit out of Deimos [28-Dec-24 02:35 PM] igfloz#0000 Urgh ! COF is going up again ๐Ÿ˜ข [28-Dec-24 02:40 PM] tanda#0000 there's only 11k on CX [28-Dec-24 02:40 PM] tanda#0000 ready for it to go out of stock? [28-Dec-24 02:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 How much to buy? [28-Dec-24 02:45 PM] tanda#0000 800/unit right now. 8k of the current stock is 925/unit [28-Dec-24 02:46 PM] tanda#0000 As usual, the issue with COF is the high price of DW {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [28-Dec-24 02:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Just 10 mil [28-Dec-24 02:47 PM] tanda#0000 because you lose money by turning DW into COF [28-Dec-24 02:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well I guess I should make more DW [28-Dec-24 02:48 PM] jvaler#0000 my COF production is way up, check my listing =P {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Dec-24 02:51 PM] igfloz#0000 cont sent, many thanks ๐Ÿ™‚ [28-Dec-24 02:52 PM] tanda#0000 I know the universe needs COF and all, but it's hard to look at the much higher investment of the HYF/FP base when just DW makes twice the profit [28-Dec-24 02:55 PM] jvaler#0000 it's what i'm here for [28-Dec-24 02:58 PM] tanda#0000 The necessary infrastructure to run one full base of COF (while making DW on site to lessen shipping costs) costs 2.3mil and has a total profit per day of 145k But a FP base on Phobos making just DW still makes 149k per day with only 870k cost [28-Dec-24 02:58 PM] tanda#0000 so I definitely appreciate jvaler {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Œ ๐Ÿ’ฐ [28-Dec-24 03:23 PM] jvaler#0000 oh i thought i was replying to myself lol, y'alls messages hadn't loaded [28-Dec-24 03:23 PM] jvaler#0000 will get to it in ~5hrs [28-Dec-24 03:28 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm gonna have DW to sell too pretty soon [28-Dec-24 03:28 PM] jvaler#0000 i'll put it on my listing [28-Dec-24 03:28 PM] jvaler#0000 it'll be priced pretty competitively to CX though because of how well traded it is [28-Dec-24 03:44 PM] jcheung#0000 That gives information away [28-Dec-24 03:45 PM] laaxus#0000 Not if the picker don't know who remains After him [28-Dec-24 03:45 PM] jcheung#0000 But everyone before him knows that they are not associated with them [28-Dec-24 03:46 PM] laaxus#0000 I don't understand [28-Dec-24 03:46 PM] laaxus#0000 What you mean [28-Dec-24 03:46 PM] jcheung#0000 If there are 20 people [28-Dec-24 03:47 PM] jcheung#0000 And I'm 15th [28-Dec-24 03:47 PM] jcheung#0000 And i pull my name [28-Dec-24 03:47 PM] jcheung#0000 14 people know that I'm not getting gifts for them, and the last 5 know that there's a 20% chance that I'm their gift giver [28-Dec-24 03:48 PM] laaxus#0000 That's only true if the picking process is public [28-Dec-24 03:48 PM] laaxus#0000 Hide that public process and you're good [28-Dec-24 03:48 PM] jcheung#0000 And i know there is only 5 people to watch for my own gift [28-Dec-24 03:49 PM] laaxus#0000 Doesn't matter if you don't know the identity of the people remaining [28-Dec-24 03:49 PM] jcheung#0000 Whoever is watching you pull names will [28-Dec-24 03:50 PM] jcheung#0000 Also there's no digital equal [28-Dec-24 03:50 PM] laaxus#0000 There doesn't need to have someone to watch [28-Dec-24 03:51 PM] laaxus#0000 Also, I found an even easier one [28-Dec-24 03:51 PM] jcheung#0000 Then i read all the remaining and can pick [28-Dec-24 03:51 PM] laaxus#0000 Just pick a number between 1 and 20 {Reactions} 7๏ธโƒฃ (2) [28-Dec-24 03:51 PM] laaxus#0000 1 give to 2 [28-Dec-24 03:51 PM] laaxus#0000 2 give to 3 [28-Dec-24 03:51 PM] laaxus#0000 20 give to 1 [28-Dec-24 03:51 PM] laaxus#0000 Fixed [28-Dec-24 03:52 PM] jcheung#0000 And because humans aren't random, four of them select 5 [28-Dec-24 03:52 PM] laaxus#0000 Just put a bol with 20 number written in it [28-Dec-24 03:53 PM] jcheung#0000 And how do you conceal their identities from the organizer so it's truely a surprise [28-Dec-24 03:53 PM] laaxus#0000 Organizer only know the Map for numbers [28-Dec-24 03:54 PM] laaxus#0000 And will release it publicly later [28-Dec-24 03:54 PM] laaxus#0000 However people are allowed to trade their number [28-Dec-24 03:54 PM] laaxus#0000 Before the release [28-Dec-24 03:54 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm sure there are an easier way but I'm going to bed [28-Dec-24 03:54 PM] laaxus#0000 And honestly, I don't Care that much [28-Dec-24 03:54 PM] laaxus#0000 Good night ! [28-Dec-24 04:00 PM] jcheung#0000 then each traded person knows who potentially held whatever number they handed out [28-Dec-24 04:01 PM] laaxus#0000 But as long as they don't know the map [28-Dec-24 04:01 PM] laaxus#0000 It doesn't matter [28-Dec-24 04:01 PM] jcheung#0000 ah, so not as simplistic as 1 > 2, 2 > 3? [28-Dec-24 04:02 PM] jcheung#0000 congrats, you found a different way to do this [28-Dec-24 04:03 PM] jcheung#0000 except whoever knows the map will also know the pair that he holds, and can potentially affect who gets what [29-Dec-24 03:28 PM] .shiva.#0000 looks like the flx wars are over {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1323040080838791199/image.png?ex=68149058&is=68133ed8&hm=d861187b8bf6decaeccf58526089f2345dd50a856943ec8978fd3db453cd7732& {Reactions} antares x_partybird [29-Dec-24 03:30 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1323040503536816151/image.png?ex=681490bc&is=68133f3c&hm=fa6c15732451cf5835b2fea2db0a80ad1b37092d7f985383ddbc0485c11567f0& [29-Dec-24 06:51 PM] evov#0000 It took a while. But with everyone forever undercutting him I don't think they actually sold too much flx at all really. [29-Dec-24 06:52 PM] .shiva.#0000 Yeah i doubt it [29-Dec-24 06:52 PM] .shiva.#0000 Wonder how much he lost buying stuff up then [29-Dec-24 06:53 PM] .shiva.#0000 I just got another 5k back at 101 from him [29-Dec-24 06:53 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I appreciate the donation [29-Dec-24 06:54 PM] .shiva.#0000 And he gave me ~3.5mil for whatever I'd sold before [29-Dec-24 08:17 PM] jcheung#0000 wow he sold a lot for very very little [29-Dec-24 08:17 PM] jcheung#0000 coulda just relisted for a reasonable price ๐Ÿ˜‚ [30-Dec-24 02:51 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Ohh it's over? Geez.. I was gonna start to root for the guy, since they we're gonna lose in the long term anyways.... That sort of market fixing does work, you just have to be like lowstrife, and provide BUY.CX orders, at margin, against the ASK.CX orders. Anything you get sold, you just funnel into the ASK.CX bids you got, which are in-line with everyone else. Huge buy-outs + relists will always fail, unless you're actually going to use the stuff purchased. [30-Dec-24 11:00 PM] jcheung#0000 well, it probably would have worked if they weren't so greedy [30-Dec-24 11:45 PM] finestone#0000 Flux is also just a terrible item to do it too. [30-Dec-24 11:46 PM] jcheung#0000 volume is too high, yeah [30-Dec-24 11:49 PM] tanda#0000 The items they choose aren't intended to make them money. It's designed to enable a prolonged attack on ANTs economy [30-Dec-24 11:49 PM] jcheung#0000 they could easily have crept it up like 50-100 and held it there decently [30-Dec-24 11:49 PM] jcheung#0000 which would have bleed us in the long run [30-Dec-24 11:49 PM] jcheung#0000 tripling the price just gets people to release stockpiles and change gearing [30-Dec-24 11:50 PM] tanda#0000 It also encourages new players to quit, and discourages players from expanding into affected industries [30-Dec-24 11:51 PM] jcheung#0000 that's fair [30-Dec-24 11:51 PM] jcheung#0000 but like i said, 50-100 increase would likely have done more lasting harm [30-Dec-24 11:51 PM] tanda#0000 The first part is what concerns me the most [31-Dec-24 04:52 AM] laaxus#0000 I don't understand, are you a NCS producer or consummer ? @realharvey [31-Dec-24 05:07 AM] realharvey#0000 both ๐Ÿ˜‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [31-Dec-24 05:08 AM] realharvey#0000 I sold a little too much and had to refill a base [31-Dec-24 07:09 AM] tanda#0000 Not market watch worthy, but RG is starting to look really empty {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1323639157633060906/image.png?ex=6814c407&is=68137287&hm=3d863d78c0f3553dc6f9d37777dff11702e1f19f73bb819b16b5189aa1d56c7a& [31-Dec-24 07:46 AM] jcheung#0000 given some advance notice i can gear up to make some [31-Dec-24 08:26 AM] roche3950#0000 I can also pivot to RG a bit [31-Dec-24 08:26 AM] roche3950#0000 would need a couple days [31-Dec-24 08:32 AM] jcheung#0000 given a three day notice i'm willing to make 34/d (or earlier if PG is delivered to deimos) [note to self: 7:4] [31-Dec-24 08:36 AM] jcheung#0000 if demand is high enough, then i can step it up to 44/d [note to self: 19:10] [31-Dec-24 08:54 AM] roche3950#0000 At full tilt it looks like I can make 72 per day [31-Dec-24 08:55 AM] roche3950#0000 if PG is a factor @jcheung I have a little bit in flight to ANT as we speak (I'm meaning to sell it anyway) [31-Dec-24 08:55 AM] jcheung#0000 i'm siphoning off some GL time for some other stuff ๐Ÿ˜“ [31-Dec-24 08:55 AM] roche3950#0000 imagine not, but I'd rather have asked than not :) [31-Dec-24 10:14 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If anyone's going to pivot to RG... I'd suggest to get into negotiations with anyone who's needing a constant supply of RG, or GL, among other things. It's one thing to "claim" that a market is running out, with a weak advert on anything in hopes of "boosting" productivity.... It's another thing to offer tangible sales turnovers, to anyone who might think of spinning up a base for the stuff. Don't let your fellow Antareans dry out on the surplus markets. Negotiate with each other, and purchase what others are making, or could make. [31-Dec-24 10:16 AM] tanda#0000 Cmon Roh. It's me we're talking about here [31-Dec-24 10:33 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ;P It's not about you, it's about the commodity market. RG is very niche, being used for LC/WS (SCI consumables), shipbuilding, or POPI upkeep/upgrades... and nothing else. If you know your weekly metrics, then you can pitch an advertisement in-house. Anyone with a spare permit should be keen, as a Metallurgy COGC, GF base (for GL/RG+), is an easy revenue/upkeep stream. However they just need the sales turnover, which they're unlikely to get at the CX. [31-Dec-24 10:39 AM] roche3950#0000 uh ... prefabs too? [31-Dec-24 10:40 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Let see, a 12 GF base at a Metallurgy COGC, at a price point of 900 AIC per unit of RG (700 RG weekly per that design), gets you that much. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1323692157550465036/Screenshot_from_2024-12-31_10-38-12.png?ex=6814f563&is=6813a3e3&hm=3293cdccbbb9ef13fa38c3358f4de6be5b926a8b070e5c7f26c10b5f5863056b& [31-Dec-24 10:40 AM] jcheung#0000 if you had read what we said, "given advanced notice we can pivot", we are not moving *now* to it [31-Dec-24 10:41 AM] jcheung#0000 in fact all i'll be doing in prep is moving a small amount of PG to deimos when i next remember to do so, and thinking about buying SEN [31-Dec-24 10:42 AM] jcheung#0000 if you would like it more clearly stated for you [31-Dec-24 10:42 AM] jcheung#0000 i won't swap until someone reaches out to me and goes "hey, i need RG" [31-Dec-24 10:44 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Through all this time time, you should know that I only hand out potential ideas. If you stand for more players, other than just yourself, maybe you could state "we" thoroughly; else I'm of the opinion that everyone's a separate entity, and will do whatever they want in-game. [31-Dec-24 10:45 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 But im with you on the swap thing. No need to pivot unless someone gives deets, and requirements. [31-Dec-24 10:47 AM] jcheung#0000 it's hard to see it now that it's been pushed offscreen, but if you scroll up, there were two of us that stated we could be on call for RG production. so yes, i speak for more than myself. if someone sees this discussion about a niche market shortage and decides to drop a base for it, that is their prerogative as well [31-Dec-24 10:59 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yeah, I'm not scrolling up, lol. I will scroll down though. Discord's a relay chat app... Not a bulletin board forum. [31-Dec-24 11:29 AM] laaxus#0000 @jvaler did you receive your secret santa gift ? [31-Dec-24 11:35 AM] jvaler#0000 i don't think it's that deep... it's just FLX, it doesn't make-or-break a SME base [31-Dec-24 11:36 AM] jvaler#0000 haven't logged in in like 36hrs idk [31-Dec-24 12:09 PM] jvaler#0000 please don't post walls of text explaining econ 101... it's unnecessary and just floods chat with messages that aren't really useful [31-Dec-24 12:10 PM] jvaler#0000 "if you want more production, communicate and cooperate" - obviously, which is what people were already doing before the walls of text disrupted it [31-Dec-24 12:30 PM] tanda#0000 Well this is the second time they've done this general thing. First time was with Carbon. Yeah this time it was just FLX, but these events seem clearly intended to disrupt. [31-Dec-24 12:58 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah i suppose so. FLX is just a bad pick for a target [31-Dec-24 01:02 PM] .shiva.#0000 They made me a bunch of money on C and a bunch of FLX, so it's working out so far {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [31-Dec-24 01:04 PM] jvaler#0000 a mass donation to antares is what it is [31-Dec-24 01:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 yup, made a few M off the FLX craze [31-Dec-24 01:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 now I can finally switch griffonstone over to full-time THF production ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-Dec-24 01:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 I am gonna stockpile some flx and sprinkle it into the order book at various high prices just to make something like this harder in the future though [31-Dec-24 01:09 PM] .shiva.#0000 Cheap buys and expensive sells are never a bad thing to throw out incase someone dumps/grabs a bunch [31-Dec-24 01:14 PM] jvaler#0000 now that i'm "rich" i've had a couple wins from cheap bids [31-Dec-24 01:15 PM] sidepipe#0000 at what point do you go from being "rich" to rich? ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-Dec-24 01:32 PM] roche3950#0000 โ€œitโ€™s okay if this IDC base goes offline for a couple daysโ€ [31-Dec-24 02:03 PM] jvaler#0000 once you get lowstrife kind of money lolol [31-Dec-24 03:31 PM] jcheung#0000 Had that happen already. Perks of putting it on the opposite side of the universe... [31-Dec-24 04:25 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Happy New Year! :party: [31-Dec-24 04:30 PM] jcheung#0000 time traveler! get 'em! [31-Dec-24 04:32 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 :kekw: :kekw: [01-Jan-25 07:44 AM] jcheung#0000 finally convinced myself to mess with ACT [01-Jan-25 07:44 AM] jcheung#0000 can anyone tell me why it's stuck on this? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1324010385161982033/image.png?ex=6814cc42&is=68137ac2&hm=c7271eff830be5cdfe6f9d2df89092fa92e8b8f9effe4f0bf773bf538df88cb4& [01-Jan-25 07:48 AM] jvaler#0000 uhh weird bug, iirc click(and slightly drag?) the MTRA tile header for a moment to correct it [01-Jan-25 07:49 AM] jcheung#0000 ~~dang it i just gave up and manually moved all the crap~~ [01-Jan-25 07:51 AM] jcheung#0000 guess i'll try again with the next ship [01-Jan-25 09:51 AM] jvaler#0000 if that doesn't work ask razenpok, they know [01-Jan-25 09:52 AM] jvaler#0000 their answer should also be somewhere in the rprun group chat logs [01-Jan-25 09:52 AM] jvaler#0000 cause i had asked the same thing lolol [01-Jan-25 11:33 PM] jcheung#0000 no, doesn't seem to do anything ๐Ÿคท [01-Jan-25 11:35 PM] jcheung#0000 oh. wait. there it goes [01-Jan-25 11:35 PM] jcheung#0000 neat [02-Jan-25 08:10 AM] jcheung#0000 *grumble* i need to redo my screens [02-Jan-25 08:10 AM] jcheung#0000 but i don't wanna [02-Jan-25 08:29 AM] tanda#0000 I am probably right on the cusp of that myself. [02-Jan-25 08:37 AM] jcheung#0000 i've been putting it off since rprun was a thing [02-Jan-25 09:08 AM] jvaler#0000 rprun screen reordering is what pushed me to finally redo mine [02-Jan-25 09:10 AM] roche3950#0000 I need to do mine because Iโ€™m running out of space [02-Jan-25 09:10 AM] roche3950#0000 (and because my Elon production screen is triple-wide :blobunamused: ) [02-Jan-25 09:11 AM] roche3950#0000 Elonโ€™s production is wide, I went there, I said *wow* look at all this production โ€ฆ Elonโ€™s, thereโ€™s jobs at Elon โ€ฆ [02-Jan-25 09:11 AM] roche3950#0000 ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Jan-25 09:16 AM] jcheung#0000 i've halfassed some changes [02-Jan-25 09:16 AM] jcheung#0000 but now it's just a mess ๐Ÿ˜„ [02-Jan-25 10:56 AM] realharvey#0000 screenshot it! [03-Jan-25 03:53 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1324677104817934411/image.png?ex=68149631&is=681344b1&hm=72c4c49125cee20a4f1d46631ab2f126352f3d6f1ab5ddb7e33c89a2a2816f3c& [03-Jan-25 03:54 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/fall-gif-1907598177762756647 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/fall-gif-1907598177762756647 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/iwaKNJuCdXkbMjbkvlTrd7uI1ESPtX0dOdWcIMW6DiE/https/media.tenor.com/Gnkmb4-7SCcAAAAe/fall.png [03-Jan-25 03:59 AM] jcheung#0000 woof [03-Jan-25 03:59 AM] jcheung#0000 you should, uh, do something about that [03-Jan-25 04:00 AM] jcheung#0000 too bad you didn't post that a couple hours earlier, i just dispatched a ship to nascent a couple hours ago [03-Jan-25 04:06 AM] laaxus#0000 IM TRYING [03-Jan-25 04:07 AM] laaxus#0000 I can only do so much with only 2 sips [03-Jan-25 04:07 AM] laaxus#0000 I overextended [03-Jan-25 04:07 AM] laaxus#0000 a new ship will soon start construction at hepha [03-Jan-25 04:08 AM] jcheung#0000 maybe you can find someone else who slipped over the holidays and coordinate ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [03-Jan-25 04:08 AM] jcheung#0000 what are you missing on deimos [03-Jan-25 04:08 AM] jcheung#0000 and elon [03-Jan-25 04:13 AM] laaxus#0000 Deimos is good [03-Jan-25 04:13 AM] laaxus#0000 I put shipping cont for elon on the lm [03-Jan-25 04:13 AM] jcheung#0000 it's less me having a ship available and more "i might be able to jump start your base depending on what you need" [03-Jan-25 04:14 AM] laaxus#0000 I need O and C on elon [03-Jan-25 04:14 AM] laaxus#0000 CL and H are good enough [03-Jan-25 04:15 AM] jcheung#0000 i can loan (interest free) you 200 C and 500 O, as long as you can get it back to me within 5 days ๐Ÿ‘€ [03-Jan-25 04:16 AM] laaxus#0000 I can't guarantee that, I have shipping issues ... [03-Jan-25 04:16 AM] laaxus#0000 I would rather buy 50 of each if possible [03-Jan-25 04:16 AM] jcheung#0000 okay. send conts [03-Jan-25 04:17 AM] jcheung#0000 let's see.... only thing i have spare on 840c is 30 OVE, unfortunately [03-Jan-25 04:19 AM] laaxus#0000 let's not talk about 840c [03-Jan-25 04:19 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1324683447385591860/image.png?ex=68149c19&is=68134a99&hm=9fedeac349583e725a4c0156a86f45d254b62672a9a01fb3f263b0bcf6e27f57& [03-Jan-25 04:19 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bkY4z.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/R3t5tC4zWJeTPULClhxoqZehyT7lpBtS1U-BdKYn01Q/https/media.tenor.com/LLu6EdwJk3sAAAAe/big-oof-size.png [03-Jan-25 04:20 AM] jcheung#0000 i need a new ship myself. let things slip for one week and i'm still trying to get ahead of things a month later [03-Jan-25 03:32 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‡ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1324853010303553576/image.png?ex=68149144&is=68133fc4&hm=722e169532a1a5730f9f3ff20d8c94795c4f4646a9c6e49821f464df372a4b1f& [03-Jan-25 03:35 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/apocalypse-burning-city-burning-fire-gif-17576295 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/apocalypse-burning-city-burning-fire-gif-17576295 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/XoBGJdTT75ZpO2rOKRLWY7zo0tMfRSQ6-2LM7urdWVw/https/media.tenor.com/gfAGyoVOp2wAAAAe/apocalypse-burning-city.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [03-Jan-25 05:41 PM] tanda#0000 https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-shocked-surprised-omg-internal-screaming-gif-17580971 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-shocked-surprised-omg-internal-screaming-gif-17580971 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/rbnm2XcW77yHrER_gjdBpIe4R074X2U5dSEbiXpd2zQ/https/media.tenor.com/dEyUG4nwn1gAAAAe/robert-downey-jr-shocked.png [03-Jan-25 08:47 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Missed the PRO License sale ๐Ÿ˜ฉ Does anyone have any spare PRO license codes that want to redeem in exchange for something? [03-Jan-25 08:55 PM] jcheung#0000 Holy hell. You, uh... hmm [03-Jan-25 08:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Youโ€™re like me ๐Ÿฅฒ [03-Jan-25 08:58 PM] jcheung#0000 Ast, hep what do you need there? On the off chance i have it [03-Jan-25 08:58 PM] jcheung#0000 Harmonia and vulcan too [03-Jan-25 09:00 PM] jvaler#0000 i've got inputs on the way to heph rn, just missing LST+SIO there [03-Jan-25 09:01 PM] jvaler#0000 astraeus is part of CAAP so i'm just waiting on roganartu to accept conts [03-Jan-25 09:01 PM] jvaler#0000 vulcan is taken care of by hal98 [03-Jan-25 09:01 PM] jvaler#0000 and harmonia is missing DDT, which will be exported from griffonstone shortly [03-Jan-25 09:03 PM] jcheung#0000 Rip. Ok, can only help with hep but if that's already en route... [03-Jan-25 09:04 PM] jcheung#0000 ...i don't suppose nike b is missing something simple? [03-Jan-25 09:04 PM] jvaler#0000 sorry, i meant that everything else is on-route to heph except for the MCG inputs [03-Jan-25 09:04 PM] jvaler#0000 NL, also CAAP related. ...although you wouldn't happen to have NA+SIO there? =P [03-Jan-25 09:04 PM] jcheung#0000 Oh, okay. I have some SIO and LST i can share, let me get to my pc {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™ [03-Jan-25 09:05 PM] jcheung#0000 Have there, no, i was just hoping you would need something easy i could swipe from my nike d base ๐Ÿ˜… [03-Jan-25 09:05 PM] jcheung#0000 Since i have a restock arriving in an hour [03-Jan-25 09:08 PM] jcheung#0000 ok, up to 250 LST and 100 SIO available for hep if you want it [03-Jan-25 09:09 PM] jvaler#0000 mm i think i'll just wait 'till my next WCB is free in an hour or so [03-Jan-25 09:09 PM] jcheung#0000 ok [03-Jan-25 09:09 PM] jvaler#0000 tyvm tho [03-Jan-25 09:10 PM] jcheung#0000 i just hate seeing 0 on burn ๐Ÿ˜“ [03-Jan-25 09:10 PM] jvaler#0000 1-3d is more stressful than 0 for me lol [03-Jan-25 09:10 PM] jvaler#0000 i accept my fate at 0 [03-Jan-25 09:10 PM] jvaler#0000 it is what it is [03-Jan-25 09:10 PM] jcheung#0000 hahaha [03-Jan-25 09:11 PM] jcheung#0000 ...i have a base where 5d is basically 0 for me, 6 is 3d of stress [03-Jan-25 09:12 PM] jvaler#0000 which one is that? [03-Jan-25 09:14 PM] jcheung#0000 my MOR IDC base, because i have to also stop at HRT to pick up supplies [03-Jan-25 09:14 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1324939020266115165/image.png?ex=6814e15e&is=68138fde&hm=554b3bbfc263d3fb2b054b4c2a6c71ee18fc36ad5cdb3f5f610726617e9b5c87& [03-Jan-25 09:14 PM] jcheung#0000 (have it because i want the metallurgy boost, even though reality keeps telling me "no, you no make metals and construction") [03-Jan-25 09:15 PM] jvaler#0000 ahh [03-Jan-25 09:16 PM] jvaler#0000 been contemplating moving my HQ to non-faction space since i run 5 resource extraction bases lol [03-Jan-25 09:16 PM] jvaler#0000 plus a chem base... hm [03-Jan-25 09:17 PM] tanda#0000 I have definitely been thinking about moving my HQ to MOR [03-Jan-25 09:17 PM] tanda#0000 but given the cost involved with having anything worthwhile out there, I'll wait on it [03-Jan-25 09:17 PM] jcheung#0000 with how much damn chem i do i've been reconsidering MOR [03-Jan-25 09:18 PM] tanda#0000 well the IDC base is still worth it [03-Jan-25 09:18 PM] tanda#0000 I'm dropping one as soon as Phobos DW isn't a good idea anymore [03-Jan-25 09:18 PM] jcheung#0000 it's gradually become less worth it [03-Jan-25 09:18 PM] jcheung#0000 hmm. maybe i'll wind it down if IDC MM price drops again ๐Ÿ˜„ [03-Jan-25 09:18 PM] tanda#0000 but right now DW is almost the same money with less than a tenth of the buyin [03-Jan-25 09:24 PM] jcheung#0000 with how RAT and DW has been going [03-Jan-25 09:24 PM] jcheung#0000 i've been more and more tempted to start some of that too >.> [03-Jan-25 09:24 PM] jvaler#0000 whar {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1324941625234821150/image.png?ex=6814e3cb&is=6813924b&hm=0f16def034a8ac9017a82e1a8f3c3abed858ac98f391b5b620b57daf7ff77f07& [03-Jan-25 09:25 PM] jvaler#0000 interesting player [04-Jan-25 07:41 AM] jcheung#0000 price of NL is rising again [04-Jan-25 08:07 AM] laaxus#0000 do you know how to use PrunPlanner @freeloader4 ? [04-Jan-25 08:08 AM] freeloader4#0000 i saw it but didnt want to watch a guide how to use it so i just started using a spreadsheet [04-Jan-25 08:08 AM] jcheung#0000 it's worth taking some time to poke around in it [04-Jan-25 08:08 AM] laaxus#0000 well, you can use a spreadsheet, it's a perfectly valid choice [04-Jan-25 08:08 AM] laaxus#0000 I would recommend to learn how to use prunplanner still [04-Jan-25 08:09 AM] jcheung#0000 it's arguably faster than a sheet when you get used to it (is pretty quick), but sheet is more customizable depending on your skills [04-Jan-25 08:09 AM] freeloader4#0000 alright that was enough to convince me then, ill watch a video later [04-Jan-25 08:09 AM] laaxus#0000 because it'd allow you to verify the numbers of your spreadsheet [04-Jan-25 08:09 AM] laaxus#0000 I do have a sheet [04-Jan-25 08:09 AM] freeloader4#0000 my skills are bad [04-Jan-25 08:09 AM] laaxus#0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi-i6rLZMaQ {Embed} Lord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi-i6rLZMaQ How to use Prunplanner for Prosperous Universe Hopefully this video helps you understand how to set up Prunplanner, if you have any questions please leave them below --Links-- The official Prosp discord https://discord.gg/YkwpJ2hdDE Link to Prunplanner https://prunplanner.org/ Background audio used https://youtu.be/EM5KwkTQzsE Ending music from Sweet Cafe https://youtu.be/6DhONAQfEVg https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/DSq6GXwpy1FwDBpBlIBMy2TpSSXULzOp4ckXQXPKUp0/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/Vi-i6rLZMaQ/maxresdefault.jpg {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Jan-25 08:09 AM] jcheung#0000 also prunplanner is a trusted way to share a base design for critique [04-Jan-25 08:09 AM] jcheung#0000 for, say [04-Jan-25 08:09 AM] jcheung#0000 #agp-information [04-Jan-25 08:10 AM] jcheung#0000 if you want free money, for example [04-Jan-25 08:11 AM] freeloader4#0000 Oh cool thx. i wanted to have the game for a month or 2 before buying a license to see if id stick with it but i'll definitely keep it in mind {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Jan-25 08:54 AM] jvaler#0000 longest i've had my CONTC be at once lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325115256028266567/image.png?ex=6814dcc0&is=68138b40&hm=19ded2b38e6fe8211789a3f024a3f03f5148dda02d33941cd0797fa12a65caab& [04-Jan-25 09:20 AM] jvaler#0000 i'm so smart ๐Ÿ˜Ž {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325121631038734397/image.png?ex=6814e2b0&is=68139130&hm=4711573b84c604fb951c5d664e3a1e8ae7c26363cdb2ad0a7cc2afa347c630e0& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ต [04-Jan-25 09:55 AM] umbers#0000 I've just starting using RPrun, and I notice on CONTC it says (auto) for my loan contracts. Do installments just pay out automatically if I let them hit the deadline? I've been making payments a little early to make sure I don't miss them. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325130439689764865/image.png?ex=6814eae4&is=68139964&hm=7b4463564ece6984e319c1a6642aaeca7658b6cb80676dd92ada9676005c2408& [04-Jan-25 11:21 AM] razenpok#0000 Yep, loan installments pay out automatically when they hit the deadline [04-Jan-25 11:21 AM] razenpok#0000 Imagine managing it with CONTS or XIT CONTS ๐Ÿ’€ [04-Jan-25 11:22 AM] jvaler#0000 XIT CONTS would be managable... but this is way better [04-Jan-25 11:23 AM] jvaler#0000 all it needs is the default buffer size fix ๐Ÿคž [04-Jan-25 11:23 AM] jvaler#0000 coming to an rprun near you 2026 [04-Jan-25 11:23 AM] razenpok#0000 *next year* :kekw: [04-Jan-25 11:23 AM] jvaler#0000 lolol [04-Jan-25 12:05 PM] jcheung#0000 wait. that hits differently that from a week ago [04-Jan-25 12:25 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325168192552697917/image.png?ex=68150e0d&is=6813bc8d&hm=03ea470b62e2c42a70c564950e5c631bf0bdb68da7fc2e8df23227a1fc8d98e5& [04-Jan-25 12:25 PM] tanda#0000 I'm not really upset by the price so much as I am the fact that there's only 9k on the market [04-Jan-25 12:31 PM] sidepipe#0000 I've got another 1000 that I can list [04-Jan-25 12:31 PM] sidepipe#0000 just trying to figure out what a good price is now that DW is so expensive [04-Jan-25 12:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 though 800 isn't too bad. Ideally, I feel like COF should have a lower ROI than DW, but that's just kinda tough to achieve with the price of DW right now [04-Jan-25 12:34 PM] tanda#0000 COF has a lot higher ROI for sure, considering the MHL involved in HYF {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [04-Jan-25 12:34 PM] sidepipe#0000 listed some at 850 & 900 for now ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Jan-25 12:35 PM] laaxus#0000 How much profit per day do you expect ? [04-Jan-25 12:36 PM] sidepipe#0000 I don't have a firm price in mind, really [04-Jan-25 12:36 PM] sidepipe#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325170978405355541/image.png?ex=681510a5&is=6813bf25&hm=25ccfae84dba48716cd06df3fb4d05423a4b00c47e5908b782c9d342244b6334& [04-Jan-25 12:36 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325171036496466052/image.png?ex=681510b3&is=6813bf33&hm=2e974bdf491af2812bf9b6649634ec32ace6412f65809fae77935f72f38c3a0d& [04-Jan-25 12:36 PM] sidepipe#0000 this is what my FP base is making at current prices which isn't too bad [04-Jan-25 12:36 PM] laaxus#0000 I have a tool that gives the price / u depending on the Base profit [04-Jan-25 12:37 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325171296375668767/image.png?ex=681510f1&is=6813bf71&hm=4077533dc482b3208c3e488e52fff7c536399f963162cba6c79c33e08a8bf96e& [04-Jan-25 12:37 PM] laaxus#0000 at 850/u, you get this roi [04-Jan-25 12:38 PM] sidepipe#0000 so 850 is about on par with DW at current prices (ROI wise) [04-Jan-25 12:39 PM] sidepipe#0000 which isn't bad - I guess it's less a case of COF not being profitable enough and more that DW is too profitable [04-Jan-25 12:39 PM] laaxus#0000 I am of the opinion we should give an additionnal 500k for every AGP grant that build a new FP base on norwick [04-Jan-25 12:39 PM] laaxus#0000 Those consummable prices are starting to get ridiculous [04-Jan-25 12:40 PM] sidepipe#0000 surely the invisible hand of the free market will save us soon ๐Ÿ˜› [04-Jan-25 12:40 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325171996648149032/image.png?ex=68151198&is=6813c018&hm=b021db13e56c5e7b84ae0c8a66a2e5e09fbcd3945d99fb27221b7f5adf39fe21& [04-Jan-25 12:40 PM] tanda#0000 https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/bawxVB7jolZ76ZS5lc90onCsBur267tPGvMHny4buSU/https/media.tenor.com/zJvexdmTjA4AAAAe/im-doing-my-part-serious.png [04-Jan-25 12:40 PM] sidepipe#0000 it's him, the invisible hand! [04-Jan-25 12:41 PM] sidepipe#0000 fwiw, trade through ADI has slowed down a lot so I've actually been listing RAT / DW for the first time in almost half a year [04-Jan-25 12:41 PM] jvaler#0000 buy my COF ๐Ÿฅบ [04-Jan-25 12:41 PM] jvaler#0000 i've got DW in my internal offer now too at 90/u [04-Jan-25 12:42 PM] tanda#0000 Our newer people do seem shy about using the internal market [04-Jan-25 12:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 maybe I should raise my prices to match [04-Jan-25 12:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 i think DW @ 60 was a good deal back when DW sold for like, 80 [04-Jan-25 12:42 PM] jvaler#0000 i just chose 90/u to match historical CXPC price [04-Jan-25 12:42 PM] tanda#0000 Though I of all people am least likely to interact with newbies on my internal offers by this point [04-Jan-25 12:46 PM] sidepipe#0000 i do occasionally buy COF when I sell off too much of my own stock - I'll send you a contract next time that happens [04-Jan-25 01:17 PM] jcheung#0000 you're more than welcome to give additional funds outside of AGP ๐Ÿ˜œ [04-Jan-25 01:18 PM] jcheung#0000 you're almost always out every time i go look for it >.> [04-Jan-25 01:18 PM] laaxus#0000 The issue is the lack of application [04-Jan-25 01:18 PM] laaxus#0000 for agp [04-Jan-25 01:26 PM] jvaler#0000 not anymore [04-Jan-25 01:27 PM] jvaler#0000 i have real COF bases now [04-Jan-25 01:27 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325183808835817482/image0.gif?ex=681473d8&is=68132258&hm=6b71dc760bed0e6947cac139c9f08964f810c16d6f0648d769c2672b349cd0fc& [04-Jan-25 01:33 PM] freeloader4#0000 should i bother with the 3 generated contracts, a lot of them seem to lose me money if i did them [04-Jan-25 01:33 PM] jvaler#0000 that's often the case [04-Jan-25 01:34 PM] jvaler#0000 so unless you care about flexing reputation, reject them [04-Jan-25 01:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You can turn them off too [04-Jan-25 01:34 PM] freeloader4#0000 ok so sounds like theyre not useful got it [04-Jan-25 01:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Theyโ€™re not not useful [04-Jan-25 01:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I usually take the planetary exploration and shipping ones to planets Iโ€™m going [04-Jan-25 01:35 PM] tanda#0000 Early on they're really not bad. I don't think I bought fuel for the first 3 months I played the game [04-Jan-25 01:36 PM] freeloader4#0000 oh thats smart i'll just have to keep filtering through them then [04-Jan-25 02:31 PM] jcheung#0000 You might go a couple days with bad deals but every now and again you get reasonable offers [04-Jan-25 02:32 PM] jcheung#0000 And getting an extra 3k here and there for something you may have already planned to do is not particularly bad [04-Jan-25 02:33 PM] jcheung#0000 Running packages from a base to a nearby CX is quite a common task, for example [04-Jan-25 02:34 PM] jcheung#0000 The ones to deliver items can sometimes use items you already have on the planet, and can pay a bit better than CX ask price-sometimes [04-Jan-25 05:47 PM] antisyntax#0000 My current PRUN setup. 2x 4K monitors and 1x "4K" laptop display {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325249212509716572/IMG_0227.png?ex=6814b0c2&is=68135f42&hm=b98bd780919de148a0e72be3b8a3f558fdf8e8aa4c4a6ab1da2d656f66e7e572& {Reactions} ๐Ÿป [04-Jan-25 05:47 PM] tanda#0000 way too much space there [04-Jan-25 05:48 PM] antisyntax#0000 lol [04-Jan-25 05:48 PM] antisyntax#0000 its for food [04-Jan-25 05:48 PM] antisyntax#0000 tbh [04-Jan-25 05:48 PM] antisyntax#0000 or papers, or school, etc [04-Jan-25 05:48 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325249543734034573/image.png?ex=6814b111&is=68135f91&hm=d5442b00169cfbdbec95369238f504d0b6a7244e457d184e91d85f6edbcb5947& [04-Jan-25 05:48 PM] tanda#0000 This is peak PRUN right here [04-Jan-25 05:48 PM] antisyntax#0000 ah you mean on the display, not on the desk [04-Jan-25 05:49 PM] tanda#0000 nah, I'm a bit envious of the desk tbh. Mine is old and worn out [04-Jan-25 05:49 PM] antisyntax#0000 the desk was actually cheap. its a motorized sitting/standing desk [04-Jan-25 05:50 PM] antisyntax#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325249950371680411/IMG_0228.jpg?ex=6814b172&is=68135ff2&hm=12130e6d6f6f591b1953b8912e035e91142988eb12b6e5c4fa254a6380f5a04d& [04-Jan-25 05:50 PM] antisyntax#0000 yeah its like $160 iirc [04-Jan-25 05:51 PM] antisyntax#0000 its a bit wider, 6', but the fisheye lens changes perspective. those monitors are 27"'s [04-Jan-25 07:23 PM] antisyntax#0000 looking at the planned roadmap, and im excited about shipping routes, energy, storefronts, player stations, stock markets, company CXs, Tariffs, asteroid mining, and information trade. The future of this game looks very, very exciting and promising. ๐Ÿ™‚ [04-Jan-25 07:23 PM] antisyntax#0000 and ofc gateways, but thats in progress {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Jan-25 08:08 PM] kynadre#0000 I'm both lazy and shy, I always get from the CX haha [04-Jan-25 08:09 PM] tanda#0000 contracts are a pain in the butt, but [04-Jan-25 08:09 PM] kynadre#0000 yeah, depends on how "new" they are and whether or not there's enough to know if they're an arsehole or selfish / greedy [04-Jan-25 08:09 PM] tanda#0000 Keeping them sorted is key {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325285085649440870/image.png?ex=6814d22b&is=681380ab&hm=6b88aaddba94d75fd123b526e167f48dbeb2f80c8b5e4b8ff9ea660e4c4f82e5& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Jan-25 08:10 PM] kynadre#0000 yeah I need to re-sort mine ... how do you sort them besides deleting old ones til they fall where you want them to? XD [04-Jan-25 08:10 PM] tanda#0000 That's all there is [04-Jan-25 08:11 PM] tanda#0000 maybe Razenpok will have his divine inspiration again and magically find a solution in RPrun [04-Jan-25 08:12 PM] tanda#0000 something to keep in mind at least: Ctrl+F works great if you're using naming conventions like me {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Jan-25 08:12 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325285781710966784/image.png?ex=6814d2d0&is=68138150&hm=520d655182ac0960fd54707b6d09f7bb2d83d14ee6f47213b06401d15fc4494f& [05-Jan-25 03:49 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 If you disable the top bar buttons in rprun they use the default alphanumeric sort order so you can just put numbers at the beginning of their names. I don't know if they keep that order if you turn it back on but they might {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [05-Jan-25 03:52 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I am told they also use the same order as the top bar so if you hade enough of them so both the ones you want are on the top bar you can reorder them there and then unhide [05-Jan-25 03:55 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 The setting to disable it is screen-tab-bar (in XIT SET FEAT) Reenabling it, however, restores the bad sort. (This sorting issue was about the only feature of rprun that I needed to get rid of immediately, so I'm glad I didn't use it long enough to want the top buttons) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [05-Jan-25 04:19 AM] realharvey#0000 why do you want to use numbers tho? You can just rearange the top bar as you wish with rprun [05-Jan-25 04:20 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 bercause I have like 5x as many screens as fit on the top bar even on doublewide monitor. [05-Jan-25 04:20 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 so rearranging them needs the hide-tab trick which is just annoying [05-Jan-25 04:21 AM] realharvey#0000 how many screens do you have? [05-Jan-25 04:21 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 right now about 20 but I expect that to grow [05-Jan-25 04:21 AM] realharvey#0000 I have 12 with 25 Bases [05-Jan-25 04:22 AM] laaxus#0000 One screen per base gang [05-Jan-25 04:22 AM] realharvey#0000 I had that before. Until I realised I dont really use most of the base information [05-Jan-25 04:23 AM] realharvey#0000 I narrowed it down to: Prod Window + Storage and a Burn window [05-Jan-25 04:23 AM] realharvey#0000 but you can combine multiple bases per burn window [05-Jan-25 04:23 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I also didn't feel it was a huge advantage to have the top bar at all, and since I wasn't used to it, it was easier to just disable it and get the sorting I wanted [05-Jan-25 04:24 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 maybe I'll want a different setup when I have more than 2 bases and 1 cx [05-Jan-25 04:24 AM] realharvey#0000 I love the top bar. But everyone has their own approaches [05-Jan-25 04:25 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Yeah, pretty much., Anyway, if sorting the menu is important, you can disable the top bar feature and get it. [05-Jan-25 04:25 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 and failing that, you can hide tabs and reorder them with the extra effort. [05-Jan-25 04:26 AM] realharvey#0000 first time I hear about this issue. Guess most people dont have that many screens [05-Jan-25 04:27 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 When I asked about it on the rprun channel on the community tools discord, they also suggested using very short names, like "A" "B" "C" etc to max the number of tabs that are visible. [05-Jan-25 05:46 AM] tanda#0000 20 screens for 2 bases?๐Ÿ˜ฑ [05-Jan-25 07:34 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I mean, some of it was saving the default screens since I was new (maybe 3-4), but also stuff like several screens for trading supplies and inputs which I thought might be useful at first. I dunno, I'll figure out which aren't useful eventually I guess. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ‘ [05-Jan-25 09:03 AM] jcheung#0000 10 screens per base is a little much [05-Jan-25 10:08 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 With the backups and the ones that don't scale with number of bases... when I get a third base, it will probably only be 7 screens each, then 5, etc... [05-Jan-25 10:29 AM] jcheung#0000 i have a suggestion for you for backup {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [05-Jan-25 10:30 AM] kynadre#0000 I was about to delete my old contracts to you to re-make them to move to top of my list, when I remembered I can copy them and then delete the old ones. Whew [05-Jan-25 10:30 AM] jcheung#0000 open `xit note` , create new, record the buffer command [05-Jan-25 10:30 AM] jcheung#0000 then you can recreate it later if you're really curious [05-Jan-25 10:33 AM] jcheung#0000 if it's something you don't look at regularly, it has no business just adding clutter and making your experience that much worse [05-Jan-25 10:33 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I appreciate your thoughts, but my experience is quite plesant [05-Jan-25 10:34 AM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿคท okay then [05-Jan-25 10:34 AM] jcheung#0000 was just a suggestion after all [05-Jan-25 10:34 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Also, its not individual buffers, its screens (layouts, etc). [05-Jan-25 10:35 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 and I currently have all of the "backups" sorted to the bottom anyway [05-Jan-25 10:35 AM] jcheung#0000 why do you need to preserve layout? [05-Jan-25 10:36 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 It doesn't cost anything and I'm still new so I might find use later? [05-Jan-25 10:36 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Some screens are the vanilla verson of screens I've updated to use rprun buffers, like the default finance and contracts views. That way I can remove rprun should the mod break something and get them back instantly. [05-Jan-25 10:50 AM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿค” [05-Jan-25 10:54 AM] kynadre#0000 what'd be a nice QOL is if the trade charts I have on saved screens would remember and correctly pull data for the ranges I'd set for them the last time I looked at them [05-Jan-25 10:55 AM] kynadre#0000 whenever I reload the game they end up just a tiny sliver at the end of the chart and I gotta go clicky-clicky to unset and re-set get it to work again [05-Jan-25 11:16 AM] tanda#0000 Been a while since I posted my screens, so here they are. There's some I'm not showing here but they are for very specific purposes or about to be deprecated. (Travel is now just a giant MU buffer) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325513384040464526/Screenshot_2025-01-05_091503.png?ex=6814fe09&is=6813ac89&hm=158a482ff9802aacb9d17d81eb15836b7d3af14fac37cf326eb8f3020d47b20c& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325513385064005633/Screenshot_2025-01-05_091512.png?ex=6814fe09&is=6813ac89&hm=333eb1b4e30d77ca12029caf7382c181247da046cc56a3423b99604f13692b83& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325513385865121904/Screenshot_2025-01-05_091524.png?ex=6814fe0a&is=6813ac8a&hm=91f666145705a8ba7e8c3eaec35bb5454400c276801909c0837f0abea2d34da1& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325513386641068135/Screenshot_2025-01-05_091533.png?ex=6814fe0a&is=6813ac8a&hm=2990e8dafcb8f93f0e060b95b44038b2a4049a51acf952441a640c21c23f276a& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325513387584655470/Screenshot_2025-01-05_091544.png?ex=6814fe0a&is=6813ac8a&hm=44cea9cce7fce455110a8423b0dd7ae2107af30d2043cf365fabe066a172f13d& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [05-Jan-25 11:20 AM] kynadre#0000 Love your ship names [05-Jan-25 11:27 AM] tanda#0000 Thank you! I have to come up with another before I get another ship {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [05-Jan-25 11:49 AM] jvaler#0000 giant MU tile is what my map screen is lolol [05-Jan-25 12:02 PM] tanda#0000 The markets have been nutty this week with everybody just getting back from Christmas vacation [05-Jan-25 12:03 PM] tanda#0000 I've sold 21mil worth of goods this week, up by 8mil from last week {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [05-Jan-25 12:10 PM] jcheung#0000 Yeah, will probably settle down soon [05-Jan-25 12:10 PM] jcheung#0000 Will have to keep in mind if I'm still playing next year.... buy a shitload early december to get ahead of things [05-Jan-25 03:34 PM] tanda#0000 I really want to move my INC operation over to SE-110d. HCP exports going all the way to Nascent from SE-110b doesn't make a ton of sense to me [05-Jan-25 03:34 PM] tanda#0000 Especially when my exports out of Thalassa are already pretty large: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325578263388749905/image.png?ex=681491b6&is=68134036&hm=b8e9cd7d97205ba860695408600538e386515868bf75e0e6e813696542e1fca2& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [05-Jan-25 08:44 PM] finestone#0000 I just have a page for each planet {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325656205162446848/image.png?ex=6814da4c&is=681388cc&hm=b0b0292adb9e397922c928d1eebf68e246fba82851ab75e038fcb01bc9adde3c& [05-Jan-25 08:48 PM] finestone#0000 Then main page for Cons/ANT {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325657313247363133/image.png?ex=6814db55&is=681389d5&hm=eb21a3cda84959a928c16ea84c303469da7fee3f5cc17d5b0e461872da7cbabb& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [05-Jan-25 09:45 PM] jvaler#0000 widescreen gang [06-Jan-25 02:53 AM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜“ i should have paid closer attention to my wallet {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325749078264516681/image.png?ex=6814880b&is=6813368b&hm=de57244eb2391dd0bc3b1a6c23ee2bb817153e0e8dd05f9f931d747f1f94c5a2& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [06-Jan-25 02:58 AM] realharvey#0000 lol I already get nervous when my AIC or ICA balance is below 1mil [06-Jan-25 02:59 AM] realharvey#0000 do you need help to recover or is everything fine? [06-Jan-25 03:00 AM] jcheung#0000 well [06-Jan-25 03:01 AM] jcheung#0000 i just need to sell off my IDC and i should be okay [06-Jan-25 03:01 AM] jcheung#0000 ...the only problem being it's around 2-3d away from me [06-Jan-25 03:01 AM] jcheung#0000 _eyes loans due in 3d 2h_ [06-Jan-25 03:01 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/wfui.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-fire-house-burning-okay-gif-5263684 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Qip_0KABYc2Plzxv4dpQ1MnkPaa_KvYPTR0w8A5u1oU/https/media.tenor.com/-kZOB16tELEAAAAe/this-is-fine-fire.png [06-Jan-25 03:02 AM] jcheung#0000 also i get twitchy when under 1m as well [06-Jan-25 03:02 AM] jcheung#0000 paid off around, uh.... 3m? worth of conts and wasn't paying attention until i went to pay another cont and it came up dry ๐Ÿ˜‚ [06-Jan-25 03:05 AM] jcheung#0000 although, if you happen to want 200 MED or 100 SC or 200 PSM... ๐Ÿ‘€ [06-Jan-25 04:41 AM] realharvey#0000 sent me conts for MED and SC. I can get that off your hands [06-Jan-25 11:54 AM] avalock#0000 This is why loans bad [06-Jan-25 11:55 AM] avalock#0000 I donโ€™t want to pay people back [06-Jan-25 11:55 AM] avalock#0000 :neuroNope: [06-Jan-25 11:55 AM] avalock#0000 Iโ€™m a dumb dog that barely can remember her thumbs exist, do you think i can remember i have a loan to pay [06-Jan-25 11:56 AM] laaxus#0000 Take a loan and don't pay people back [06-Jan-25 11:56 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/thinking-black-guy-tap-head-gif-27536171 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/thinking-black-guy-tap-head-gif-27536171 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ff28BpX9DSUGuNZ0u93dLppC96dvlHKDcmf2DR7ev3Q/https/media.tenor.com/aeG_Ro9NNeEAAAAe/thinking-black.png [06-Jan-25 11:57 AM] avalock#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325885863804010607/basedbasedbasedbased.jpg?ex=6815076f&is=6813b5ef&hm=720b140bba7e47d4411a97eeb3f6809a6b5096cd7bc1330683c7baaf0592c2de& [06-Jan-25 11:57 AM] jcheung#0000 Without the loans i would be at a tenth my size, and struggling still [06-Jan-25 11:58 AM] avalock#0000 The struggle makes us stronger [06-Jan-25 11:58 AM] jcheung#0000 ...next you'll tell me to build bullet resist with .22 rounds [06-Jan-25 11:59 AM] avalock#0000 Nono are you silly [06-Jan-25 12:01 PM] avalock#0000 Iโ€™m too weird for a conversation talking about building resistance and pain :giggle: [06-Jan-25 12:02 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325887208246349988/image0.gif?ex=681508b0&is=6813b730&hm=44d35542cc8c664fecfb026a6b9b9512173622f67522036cd92349f724e96b16& [06-Jan-25 12:05 PM] avalock#0000 No [06-Jan-25 12:05 PM] avalock#0000 Iโ€™m just weird [06-Jan-25 12:05 PM] avalock#0000 :hehe: [06-Jan-25 12:30 PM] moke.#0000 No loans is the way to go {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [06-Jan-25 12:31 PM] jcheung#0000 FUC that ๐Ÿ˜› [06-Jan-25 01:08 PM] kynadre#0000 and now I look into and recognise how expensive it is to build warehouses to avoid building STO, which makes the very sm0l warehouse sizes at most places make serious sense [06-Jan-25 01:09 PM] kynadre#0000 how much did it cost to get A1 station warehouse to 1000 max units per company???? [06-Jan-25 01:09 PM] kynadre#0000 (and jeez that must cost an f'ton weekly if people do) [06-Jan-25 01:10 PM] kynadre#0000 did anyone ever chart the cost of warehouse upgrades? XD [06-Jan-25 01:19 PM] realharvey#0000 CX Warehouses where not upgraded by players [06-Jan-25 01:20 PM] kynadre#0000 ahh okay [06-Jan-25 01:20 PM] jvaler#0000 the material cost is on PCT, someone may have made a sheet to turn it into market cost but idk [06-Jan-25 01:20 PM] kynadre#0000 yeah seems seriously prohibitive [06-Jan-25 01:20 PM] jvaler#0000 err wait not PCT [06-Jan-25 01:20 PM] jvaler#0000 handbook {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [06-Jan-25 01:21 PM] jvaler#0000 handbook tells cost factor and you multiply that by the cost of a lvl 1 warehouse [06-Jan-25 01:21 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325907177323630604/image.png?ex=68147289&is=68132109&hm=511bf483652fd0c79745b5576d576ebf933c1529ea8a512d61e29819da856b2b& [06-Jan-25 01:22 PM] kynadre#0000 Gotcha, thanks! [06-Jan-25 01:25 PM] jcheung#0000 it's my intention to (eventually) grow WARs a bit across ANT space... but it's looking more and more expensive the more i look at it ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} this [06-Jan-25 01:25 PM] jvaler#0000 it's so expensive ;_; [06-Jan-25 01:26 PM] jvaler#0000 i spent like 2 million just getting SE-648c to 2k/2k size [06-Jan-25 01:26 PM] jcheung#0000 (pinned) i intend to at least do lvl 1 WARs on all planets before my company dies [06-Jan-25 01:26 PM] kynadre#0000 it's not even in Ariel's governance calculator, which was why I brought it up out of curiosity [06-Jan-25 01:26 PM] jvaler#0000 *all*? [06-Jan-25 01:26 PM] jcheung#0000 *all* [06-Jan-25 01:26 PM] jvaler#0000 o.o [06-Jan-25 01:27 PM] igfloz#0000 Pics or it didn't happen ! <<< @jvaler need to pin this to make him complete his task ๐Ÿ˜› ๐Ÿ˜› [06-Jan-25 01:27 PM] jvaler#0000 truue [06-Jan-25 01:27 PM] jvaler#0000 Pinned a message. [06-Jan-25 01:28 PM] igfloz#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [06-Jan-25 01:29 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/5g5j.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-fuck-frustrated-gif-13611303 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/rubVgiGne0t8kuEhViGIU8TCC68V3ARWqhVB1Az2-9k/https/media.tenor.com/dFe74YPhfSAAAAAe/annoyed-fuck.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [06-Jan-25 02:40 PM] kynadre#0000 for whatever reason I am too lazy to swap to automated stuff plus it's helpful for me to put stuff together myself, so... organizing my very limited stuff a little more lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325926924769431658/image.png?ex=681484ed&is=6813336d&hm=510c00dbbe1e28f1d82608c62a26575cb11609fcbff526ed15749375a965ce07& [06-Jan-25 02:40 PM] kynadre#0000 yay screenshots XD [06-Jan-25 02:40 PM] kynadre#0000 days of buffer for stuff made / used on-site, date used for stuff that comes in from outside... trying to do better XD [06-Jan-25 02:41 PM] kynadre#0000 otherwise I'll keep checking and my head spins a bit trying to "keep track" [06-Jan-25 02:41 PM] kynadre#0000 then add recurring tasks to a Google Calendar category... [06-Jan-25 02:41 PM] kynadre#0000 and Kyna stresses slightly less while feeling a lot better about herself! [06-Jan-25 03:43 PM] jvaler#0000 i can't tell how to read this but it looks neat lol [06-Jan-25 04:01 PM] jvaler#0000 do you not have refined prun? it shows you your buffers for you so you know what needs to go where and when it needs to be there {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325947274874064896/image.png?ex=681497e1&is=68134661&hm=d96bd4935c3f0207105aa376c8cf5c32f173b508933a39e2c3142c6d2174f41f& [06-Jan-25 04:02 PM] jvaler#0000 also tells you your latest contract deadline {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1325947556341219369/image.png?ex=68149824&is=681346a4&hm=a101608bcc428f13ce96840680ddece2350904ea52d99320c5707c9221626ba3& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [06-Jan-25 04:04 PM] kynadre#0000 I don't XD for whatever reason it's not on Edge even tho Edge is Chromium [06-Jan-25 04:05 PM] kynadre#0000 I really am just wasting my time when there's better things I could do with it [06-Jan-25 04:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You should be able to get it from the chrome store {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [06-Jan-25 04:49 PM] jcheung#0000 ....thanks for nothing google [06-Jan-25 04:50 PM] jcheung#0000 regression in utility, you bastards [06-Jan-25 04:50 PM] jcheung#0000 (mousing over chrome icon in taskbar now shows open tabs, instead of windows. if more than 20 tabs you get nothing) [06-Jan-25 04:54 PM] manhim#0000 Yup, I'm on Edge and use the plugin from the chrome store {Reactions} link_cool [06-Jan-25 05:46 PM] .shiva.#0000 I forget if this changes it or not, but in multitasking settings there's an option around browser tabs in alt tab [06-Jan-25 05:46 PM] .shiva.#0000 May only be edge [07-Jan-25 06:15 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1326162348087709737/image.png?ex=6814b76e&is=681365ee&hm=82c44a67ad9465c67cf7eed0e8c9d4d3c52eda13dcb135812b4ac33711651b13& [07-Jan-25 06:15 AM] laaxus#0000 TSH almost empty @ ANT [07-Jan-25 06:17 AM] laaxus#0000 @Market Alerts (I believe it is appropriate) {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [07-Jan-25 08:55 AM] jvaler#0000 wait no it wasn't SE-648c [07-Jan-25 08:55 AM] jvaler#0000 i think it was ISA [07-Jan-25 08:55 AM] jvaler#0000 or something... i forgor [07-Jan-25 09:19 AM] jcheung#0000 some more TSH listed [07-Jan-25 08:22 PM] tanda#0000 That's still pretty bare [07-Jan-25 10:27 PM] jcheung#0000 I make 3/d :/ [07-Jan-25 10:39 PM] evov#0000 Working on resolving that issue now. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1326409812329758791/image.png?ex=6814f526&is=6813a3a6&hm=92b9487f16ac768b2a6e7fe047f99e48a90871e34ee7eabbb23ba5155028277d& [07-Jan-25 10:47 PM] jcheung#0000 That's... what, 23/d? [07-Jan-25 11:28 PM] evov#0000 From that base, yea something like that. [07-Jan-25 11:32 PM] evov#0000 I've put 100 up on the CX for the moment. I'm trying to meet a goal of building and stocking all the parts needed to build 1 full gateway. The TSH requirements for that = 1200. Including the 100 I just threw up on the cx I've got 942 TSH at ANT. I'll keep producing till I reach that goal and then play it by ear. [08-Jan-25 06:00 AM] tanda#0000 I am humbly requesting for more GL to be available on the market {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1326521005052792873/image.png?ex=6814b3f5&is=68136275&hm=633e1f5bc4f8fcea14f406665869935b692752285a73926974c57ff35ed4b238& [08-Jan-25 07:24 AM] moke.#0000 ๐Ÿค” I guess I *could* finally make mine [08-Jan-25 07:44 AM] jcheung#0000 ofc right after i dumped a bunch of GL [08-Jan-25 07:44 AM] jcheung#0000 *sigh* [08-Jan-25 11:41 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Anyone want to run for Halcyon MP spot? There might be an opening [08-Jan-25 11:59 AM] marat_sh#0000 rise is not running? [08-Jan-25 11:59 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Nope [08-Jan-25 12:10 PM] jcheung#0000 MCG price has hit 35.9 again [08-Jan-25 12:11 PM] jcheung#0000 like i know it's not huge because there's a MM there [08-Jan-25 12:11 PM] jcheung#0000 but figured i'd mention it [08-Jan-25 12:15 PM] .shiva.#0000 SIO is up a lot [08-Jan-25 12:17 PM] .shiva.#0000 Well, was, it's back down a bit {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1326615819085414513/Screenshot_20250108-101715.png?ex=68150c42&is=6813bac2&hm=163753b0e6c828912acb69bd8787b3bc88e203e8ae9897500828f37c540cc8ce& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [08-Jan-25 12:20 PM] kynadre#0000 I'm working on getting a base for it, just gotta save up [08-Jan-25 12:20 PM] kynadre#0000 Lots of people chase the peak and then it gets hammered down yea, but it needed to be, looks like. And you can see SI went down a fair bit as that got overloaded. It'll balance! [08-Jan-25 12:21 PM] kynadre#0000 when looking at inventories, I wish there was a way to just filter out consumables... [08-Jan-25 12:21 PM] kynadre#0000 or that the detailed list had way smaller icons and that you could have multiple columns in that detailed list view, or rather that the default view looked like that... haha [08-Jan-25 12:21 PM] kynadre#0000 wheee [08-Jan-25 12:22 PM] kynadre#0000 I should figure out the whole spreadshee connect thing it'd be good learning and then I could handle my stuff so much easier [08-Jan-25 12:22 PM] .shiva.#0000 You can use the sorts from pmmg/rprun {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [08-Jan-25 12:22 PM] kynadre#0000 yea I need to make that the thing I do today to get that setup [08-Jan-25 12:23 PM] .shiva.#0000 Category sort mostly shows what you want without any effort {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [08-Jan-25 12:24 PM] kynadre#0000 sometimes they get split tho, since the categories are alphabetical, and there's some categories before CON [08-Jan-25 12:24 PM] kynadre#0000 but yea for sure esp. with the reduced padding to see more, simple as, helps a ton I'm sure [08-Jan-25 02:48 PM] roche3950#0000 I have some coming in maybe 12-16h [08-Jan-25 08:54 PM] evov#0000 I have a little bit more tucked away if that runs out. But I'm hoping it'll be a clear enough signal as it is for other people to start producing more. [08-Jan-25 09:17 PM] .shiva.#0000 Up enough to make the SEN recipie worth right now [09-Jan-25 01:15 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1326811593807364126/image.png?ex=681519d6&is=6813c856&hm=1e1d8894fc37e9626d56ea254b5e62bcff75d900175d3745e080609e35aa5c23& [09-Jan-25 01:15 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1326811665165189120/bgf8f8f8-flat750x075f-pad750x1000f8f8f8.u2.jpg?ex=681519e7&is=6813c867&hm=0f27fed8c584d5e288795c069236961f6a53d37f8165e288dfc54e5cac4eff0f& [09-Jan-25 01:20 AM] jcheung#0000 eh, it's just north antares {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [09-Jan-25 08:19 AM] jcheung#0000 RAT prices are giving me anxiety [09-Jan-25 11:49 AM] freeloader4#0000 lets bump those numbers up [09-Jan-25 11:55 AM] jcheung#0000 *up*?! [09-Jan-25 11:55 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/6YFf.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/killed-em-hold-this-stabbed-gif-14017151 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/q33qpuaTKUYW1BvMIJgYZpElAxw8xjzUcuOH_Hoz800/https/media.tenor.com/cjQBQCbyr2EAAAAe/killed-em-hold-this.png [09-Jan-25 12:48 PM] jcheung#0000 hmm. [09-Jan-25 12:48 PM] jcheung#0000 i think once i get my loans paid off and my next ship, i'm going to try to clamp the price of MCG a bit [09-Jan-25 12:49 PM] jcheung#0000 what do we think is a good range? 33-34? [09-Jan-25 12:49 PM] jcheung#0000 (currently swings between 31 - 36) [09-Jan-25 01:03 PM] realharvey#0000 Mm is a good range ๐Ÿ˜‚ [09-Jan-25 01:04 PM] jcheung#0000 Well. I don't think i could afford to hold it between 35.8 and 35.9 [09-Jan-25 01:06 PM] realharvey#0000 I don't think there is much reason to produce it. It's heavy and it costs almost nothing [09-Jan-25 01:06 PM] jcheung#0000 That was part of my thought. If i can bring the asks up a few points it becomes reasonable for a new player [09-Jan-25 01:07 PM] jcheung#0000 Not great, but also not bad [09-Jan-25 01:40 PM] realharvey#0000 We are currently experiencing fewer playernumbers. I don't think we should encourage them to go for products where the mm is totally fine [09-Jan-25 05:46 PM] getonthetrain#0000 just let MCG hit the MM, not worth worrying over and if new players make more money that's good {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [09-Jan-25 06:23 PM] jcheung#0000 New players aren't likely selling at asks [09-Jan-25 06:23 PM] jcheung#0000 That's a lot of material to tie up [09-Jan-25 11:34 PM] realharvey#0000 MCG is to heavy for them anyway :D [10-Jan-25 08:50 AM] freeloader4#0000 are experts gained specific to each base or can they earned individually and applied to any base? [10-Jan-25 08:58 AM] realharvey#0000 you generate experts for each base individually {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [10-Jan-25 10:53 AM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿค” {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1327319348171374684/image.png?ex=6814f879&is=6813a6f9&hm=6321adc0637e3c96f5bf78231cf900125c0b9d1f1e184ef576c0f47532bc21d8& [10-Jan-25 10:54 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1327319554023755847/image.png?ex=6814f8aa&is=6813a72a&hm=a70830a1a480926a8ef0fc4048a9db5100f22d1f91225c8183cc18be5dd1f83c& [10-Jan-25 10:54 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bGtaq.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/huh-heh-interesting-confused-confusion-gif-22475884 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/aVEhZq61QgHnCeyzhZK_NAihSTeCC46r3Jt5hAfQW0k/https/media.tenor.com/eML-M9iCFIIAAAAe/huh-heh.png [10-Jan-25 11:08 AM] jvaler#0000 whar [10-Jan-25 11:17 AM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah I get that bug too [11-Jan-25 05:28 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 evaporated [11-Jan-25 07:24 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1327629177112891412/image.png?ex=6814c785&is=68137605&hm=bbdec3e98fcae89120a3e5b79844898ffe6c58035275d0feef361bdf0d8890d3& [11-Jan-25 07:24 AM] laaxus#0000 not many SC remaining [11-Jan-25 07:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 you can't tell me, that 6,100 is a profitable price. If I'm not mistaking, 8,000 is the point you break even {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1327630432019288064/image.png?ex=6814c8b1&is=68137731&hm=0906bc08ed7c53c28251085511c7e853228750dc556ebe36b5e6f9a25db987ff& [11-Jan-25 07:30 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But that's PrUn for you - on every shortage there comes people rushing for profit [11-Jan-25 07:34 AM] jcheung#0000 i'm doing the best i can ๐Ÿ˜ฆ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1327631837643804712/image.png?ex=6814ca00&is=68137880&hm=27fd9df98025af4b630d656c149f74b0b46f7e07f3ecb3f48672cac378555f3a& [11-Jan-25 07:35 AM] jcheung#0000 well. technically i guess i could be doing better [11-Jan-25 07:35 AM] jcheung#0000 if i dropped FLX from my rotation [11-Jan-25 07:36 AM] jcheung#0000 my current break-even when buying from cx is around 7700, but if i were making my own PG and i didn't care about CX? 6k is doable [11-Jan-25 07:37 AM] jcheung#0000 like, say, pg @ 30 [11-Jan-25 07:52 AM] razenpok#0000 Nuked that 6k order ๐Ÿ‘Œ [11-Jan-25 07:53 AM] laaxus#0000 when you see something clearly below market value [11-Jan-25 07:54 AM] laaxus#0000 and that you're SURE it's below market value [11-Jan-25 07:54 AM] laaxus#0000 just buy it and resell it instant {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [11-Jan-25 07:54 AM] jcheung#0000 wanted to do that, but i didn't have the open cash at the moment ๐Ÿ˜‚ [11-Jan-25 10:56 AM] wikifeia#0000 Out of curiosity, is there a power ranking or generally agreed upon list of the largest/most influential corps and player organizations anywhere? Are there any planets that are held exclusively or in their majority by single corporations or players? [11-Jan-25 11:08 AM] tanda#0000 I would say that power ranking the corps is probably pointless. It's too abstract/hard to pull together that information. [11-Jan-25 11:08 AM] tanda#0000 Largest Corporations is easy, though. Biggest ones by member count are GTU, KAWA, and LMAO [11-Jan-25 11:10 AM] tanda#0000 It would be equally hard to say about Corp only planets, but if you see a planet with only one plot gone, that's held by a single player [11-Jan-25 11:10 AM] tanda#0000 for now [11-Jan-25 11:10 AM] tanda#0000 I can think of a couple planets that I'm on that are populated by only ADI members. (Antares II A, YK-266c) [11-Jan-25 11:11 AM] tanda#0000 if ADI were a corp, it would be pretty large, but we're not, so it's not [11-Jan-25 11:16 AM] jcheung#0000 there's some players that are arguably just "big" though [11-Jan-25 11:20 AM] wikifeia#0000 i'm surprised that more of the galaxy hasn't been colonized by now, there are some pretty juicy ones way out there that don't have players even within a few jumps [11-Jan-25 11:20 AM] wikifeia#0000 is it just player churn? [11-Jan-25 11:21 AM] tanda#0000 It's a bit that, but it's also that travel time is a huge factor. Many of those nice planets are a week out and back just for shipping [11-Jan-25 11:21 AM] wikifeia#0000 gotcha gotcha [11-Jan-25 11:22 AM] wikifeia#0000 now that we're developing jump gates, i wonder if there will be any interest in establishing hubs that are connected to the gate network but outside of the core of the galaxy [11-Jan-25 11:22 AM] tanda#0000 Not initially, it's too expensive for that to happen immediately [11-Jan-25 11:23 AM] tanda#0000 There is some expressed interest in maybe linking some of the closer clusters of industry to the CX (In the ANT region, this is the KI cluster) [11-Jan-25 11:24 AM] tanda#0000 but even those come after the Inter-CX highway [11-Jan-25 11:25 AM] laaxus#0000 Fire is investing in such a hub [11-Jan-25 11:25 AM] wikifeia#0000 how long would you estimate the gateways to BEN will take to get funded? [11-Jan-25 11:26 AM] laaxus#0000 Pretty much immediately [11-Jan-25 11:26 AM] laaxus#0000 The question is how much Time it will take for it to pay the investment back [11-Jan-25 11:27 AM] wikifeia#0000 has he stated where he's planning to build it? [11-Jan-25 11:27 AM] laaxus#0000 And atm, the roi seems to be in months, maybe years [11-Jan-25 11:27 AM] laaxus#0000 Yes [11-Jan-25 11:27 AM] wikifeia#0000 and where's that [11-Jan-25 11:28 AM] laaxus#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183249178156089374/1304476504457216121 [11-Jan-25 11:28 AM] laaxus#0000 It was evov mb [11-Jan-25 11:29 AM] wikifeia#0000 Gotcha [11-Jan-25 11:29 AM] wikifeia#0000 Cool :) [11-Jan-25 12:09 PM] tanda#0000 If SC is this high volume, people need to let the market sell out of it and put it at a higher cost [11-Jan-25 12:10 PM] jcheung#0000 i've finally come to that conclusion too [11-Jan-25 12:10 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1327701260073177108/image.png?ex=68150aa7&is=6813b927&hm=9795f3e5f692e25301dbb72af5db07413b96d1e17078c440361db96ff4760c21& [11-Jan-25 12:10 PM] tanda#0000 a 2 month supply of any good shouldn't be this cheap [11-Jan-25 12:12 PM] jcheung#0000 ...what's the consumption profile [11-Jan-25 12:12 PM] tanda#0000 across my entire empire I burn 3.4 a day [11-Jan-25 12:12 PM] tanda#0000 which I would say is probably high for the majority of empires, but not high for more advanced players [11-Jan-25 12:21 PM] realharvey#0000 lol my empire has the 3.4 consumption a day aswell [11-Jan-25 12:21 PM] realharvey#0000 Looks like I need to expand [11-Jan-25 12:21 PM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/corgi-pulling-a-wood-viralhog-corgi-dog-wood-gif-18019306 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/corgi-pulling-a-wood-viralhog-corgi-dog-wood-gif-18019306 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/gyqHMo1jCiPhPu-1wdsI0WpwaaEqKDa39GdTTYByAmU/https/media.tenor.com/VLfHlPWFHBMAAAAe/corgi-pulling-a-wood-viralhog.png [11-Jan-25 12:35 PM] jcheung#0000 what do you think a 2 month supply should cost? [11-Jan-25 12:36 PM] tanda#0000 at least double? [11-Jan-25 12:36 PM] tanda#0000 like this is a 2 month supply for an empire. 500k for a luxury is not bad [11-Jan-25 12:37 PM] tanda#0000 for reference: a 2 month supply of COF is 2.2mil {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1327708034218328095/image.png?ex=681510f6&is=6813bf76&hm=b7c2c5deadc15ce26835ff0e014d35dce3219ee9a1ba3a0698c5c1dbe27e31a7& [11-Jan-25 12:39 PM] igfloz#0000 200 vs >2K, of course it's going to be more expensive (and extortionate too I might add !!) [11-Jan-25 12:39 PM] tanda#0000 If it were back to its more stable price of 700ish, that's only 1.6mil, but I think it still makes my point [11-Jan-25 12:40 PM] jcheung#0000 hmm [11-Jan-25 12:41 PM] igfloz#0000 personally, I think SC is fine where it is - but I hate where COF is [11-Jan-25 12:42 PM] tanda#0000 well something isn't fine about SC. More people should be making it [11-Jan-25 12:42 PM] igfloz#0000 maybe not so many people are consuming it [11-Jan-25 12:43 PM] moke.#0000 less than 30 people have in the last 30 days [11-Jan-25 12:46 PM] jcheung#0000 make up your mind [11-Jan-25 12:46 PM] jcheung#0000 do you want it more expensive or less {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [11-Jan-25 12:47 PM] jcheung#0000 oh my god, my piddly production places me at #2? [11-Jan-25 12:47 PM] moke.#0000 You are the only producer listed on the ANT market [11-Jan-25 12:47 PM] moke.#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [11-Jan-25 12:48 PM] jcheung#0000 funnily enough, #1 increased their production within the last week [11-Jan-25 12:49 PM] jcheung#0000 ah. oh. i was #1 on 90 day [11-Jan-25 12:50 PM] jcheung#0000 looks like melon dropped out entirely, and faster than freight picked up the pace (i dialed back a little) [11-Jan-25 12:50 PM] moke.#0000 Also, there's a single class (technicians) that require SC, and its .1/100 techs [11-Jan-25 12:50 PM] moke.#0000 I don't think its really going to be a "big" consumable [11-Jan-25 12:51 PM] jcheung#0000 right, i'm just shocked i was top 3 [11-Jan-25 12:51 PM] moke.#0000 I found out I was top 5 for a few things the other day that surprised me [11-Jan-25 12:52 PM] jcheung#0000 there's only one thing i expect to see myself for in top 5... [11-Jan-25 12:52 PM] jcheung#0000 _looks_ [11-Jan-25 12:52 PM] jcheung#0000 yep, there i am [11-Jan-25 12:56 PM] igfloz#0000 Oh jeez, I'm #1 ALO for 30 days......... thats very surprising ! [11-Jan-25 01:00 PM] igfloz#0000 .......and I make very little AL [11-Jan-25 01:00 PM] tanda#0000 Both. At the same time. But in all honesty, the more expensive it gets the more likely people will produce it [11-Jan-25 01:01 PM] igfloz#0000 But consumption won't increase to match. As Moke says, it's only Techs that use it [11-Jan-25 01:05 PM] tanda#0000 I just want production increased enough that we aren't stuck in this weird state of constantly nearly running out [11-Jan-25 01:05 PM] jcheung#0000 well, this is part of the reason i started making it and listed it in #internal-offers [11-Jan-25 01:06 PM] jcheung#0000 because i saw nobody else was making it and the markets even like 7 months ago was thin [11-Jan-25 01:06 PM] igfloz#0000 Oh, I think I see where you are coming from. yeah, I suppose if someone is buying 2 months of burn and leaving 10 items for everyone else, that person could be "creating" a problem ? [11-Jan-25 01:07 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bOgeZ.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/emotional-damage-emotional-damage-meme-funny-gif-24332819 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/EO9pOVcg291Nzzd8WV51zqTBJNwEPcoc7BEbpePT8nc/https/media.tenor.com/K9-SqJMNjkEAAAAe/emotional-damage.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [11-Jan-25 01:07 PM] igfloz#0000 I'm still only buying for 10 day burns [11-Jan-25 01:09 PM] igfloz#0000 maybe I should have said "if multiple people are buying 2 months stock" [11-Jan-25 01:10 PM] laaxus#0000 I decided to buy 100 days of workforce consummables [11-Jan-25 01:10 PM] jcheung#0000 realistically though [11-Jan-25 01:11 PM] jcheung#0000 someone buying 2 months at a time should be fine..... as long as you don't have half the player base buying at the same schedule [11-Jan-25 01:12 PM] jvaler#0000 i mean we kinda are? we just don't have an ingame ADI "corp" [11-Jan-25 01:13 PM] jvaler#0000 we host a number of projects that could be considered "corp activity" [11-Jan-25 01:46 PM] evov#0000 The industrial hub I've built up has (at the moment) 9 planets in it. Systems IA-151 and IA-158. 158e supports scientists, the rest can support up to engineers (at the moment) It's within 1 day's flight from both ANT cx and HRT cx and will at some point in the future have a gateway linking it to the ANT cx and possibly to HRT further down the line. I'm looking for new people to join the project all the time, so if anyone is interested in helping to build and grow this industrial hub, let me know. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1327725447919829074/image.png?ex=6814786e&is=681326ee&hm=a25d882df868e618dd595e5beecdff98d636b63dbd650bac03f31d2462b3fec8& [11-Jan-25 02:22 PM] wikifeia#0000 Thanks for the offer! Currently I want to focus on developing my company, but Iโ€™m definitely interested to see how this hub grows and develops over time [11-Jan-25 02:39 PM] jvaler#0000 if you'd like you can post to #bulletin-board for visibility [11-Jan-25 04:38 PM] jcheung#0000 *sigh* [11-Jan-25 04:38 PM] jcheung#0000 i should have known better when i saw you there moke [11-Jan-25 04:38 PM] jcheung#0000 in other news TRU prices have recently climbed for some totally unknown reason [11-Jan-25 04:40 PM] moke.#0000 I mean, I produce too. Too many low volume orders undercutting too much at once. [11-Jan-25 04:47 PM] jcheung#0000 riight... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1327770808214618173/image.png?ex=6814a2ad&is=6813512d&hm=d8d74d4952387d76f7fcaa7aee05a984270dc4c1f4be9c49a98d36e591014ed3& [11-Jan-25 04:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ooh so I should sell my TRU on the market [11-Jan-25 04:47 PM] jcheung#0000 yes, undercut moke by 1 ๐Ÿ˜„ [11-Jan-25 04:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Heh ๐Ÿ˜ˆ [11-Jan-25 04:48 PM] moke.#0000 Cost me less than a million to get it from 400-750. Half of what I have posted on mine that I've produced myself. [11-Jan-25 04:48 PM] moke.#0000 Why *wouldn't* I increase my profits by 300/unit [11-Jan-25 04:49 PM] jcheung#0000 idk [11-Jan-25 04:51 PM] igfloz#0000 I mean, ok - everyone is looking for profit. But doesn't it go against https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183247940601520178/1269365151765762048 [11-Jan-25 04:52 PM] igfloz#0000 meh, maybe not against, but conflict ? [11-Jan-25 04:54 PM] tanda#0000 It'll be fine [11-Jan-25 04:54 PM] tanda#0000 TRU is a readily made material, people will boost production to take advantage [11-Jan-25 04:55 PM] tanda#0000 gets them out of my MHL market too [11-Jan-25 04:55 PM] tanda#0000 so thanks! [11-Jan-25 04:55 PM] igfloz#0000 lol, fair enuf I suppose [12-Jan-25 04:28 AM] finestone#0000 how does increasing TRU price by 300 hurt new players? [12-Jan-25 12:19 PM] igfloz#0000 I've slept since then, but I was probably thinking along the lines of uplifting the price of anything could impact newer players, not just TRU specifically ๐Ÿ™‚ [12-Jan-25 12:20 PM] finestone#0000 but doesnt that just create more opportunities for new players to make money? [12-Jan-25 12:21 PM] igfloz#0000 yeah, I suppose. I was probably just thinking of base build / burn mats impacting newer players - i.e. making it more expensive for them to get up and running [12-Jan-25 12:22 PM] igfloz#0000 ...but in reality, I suppose this really only starts to hurt when it comes to base 2 or 3 [12-Jan-25 12:57 PM] jcheung#0000 The RAT prices probably hurt more than anything [12-Jan-25 12:57 PM] igfloz#0000 heh, and COF right now, lol [12-Jan-25 12:59 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ll be sad when those prices finally go down ๐Ÿ˜„ [12-Jan-25 12:59 PM] jcheung#0000 I won't! [12-Jan-25 01:00 PM] tanda#0000 man if they ever do [12-Jan-25 01:00 PM] tanda#0000 we've been dealing with these DW prices for 3 months now [12-Jan-25 01:01 PM] igfloz#0000 I think it was Tanda that mentioned previously (or maybe in another channel) - the price is one thing, but the fact that there is not a lot up for offer is a real concern [12-Jan-25 01:01 PM] igfloz#0000 ...COF specifically [12-Jan-25 01:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m doing what I can for COF [12-Jan-25 01:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 Listed 1.5k yesterday and itโ€™s down to 800 already [12-Jan-25 01:02 PM] igfloz#0000 whaaa... I missed that earlier today. Had to buy at 910 I think [12-Jan-25 01:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 Might start a new FP planet for it soon - I have the CAF, just not enough capacity to process it all [12-Jan-25 01:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 Thatโ€™s me ๐Ÿ˜… [12-Jan-25 01:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 Listed 1.5k at 810 and sold down to 800 already [12-Jan-25 01:05 PM] igfloz#0000 https://tenor.com/view/please-desperate-this-isnt-fair-daylight-robbery-sigh-gif-26945260 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/please-desperate-this-isnt-fair-daylight-robbery-sigh-gif-26945260 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/NWUvQcldXQibFFwbxo6jAAMkvQ81N9VBLj2PouUIxtU/https/media.tenor.com/5UhPOphH6-4AAAAe/please-desperate.png [12-Jan-25 01:06 PM] igfloz#0000 you mean 910 AIC {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜… [12-Jan-25 01:13 PM] sidepipe#0000 Canโ€™t type today [12-Jan-25 01:15 PM] sidepipe#0000 Anyway, I canโ€™t list it too cheap on the CX because some enterprising young capitalist will just flip it [12-Jan-25 01:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ll buy it and use it love โค๏ธ [12-Jan-25 01:26 PM] moke.#0000 No no, definitely do that ๐Ÿ‘€ [12-Jan-25 06:54 PM] antisyntax#0000 never thought i'd see the day where AL and C bid the same price lol [12-Jan-25 06:57 PM] antisyntax#0000 actually looking at the charts, it seems like its been that way for a while. why process aluminum ore then? [12-Jan-25 06:58 PM] tanda#0000 It's still actually a net gain to process into AL [12-Jan-25 06:58 PM] antisyntax#0000 oh yeah [12-Jan-25 06:58 PM] tanda#0000 but yeah, you're not wrong [12-Jan-25 06:58 PM] antisyntax#0000 i was thinking it was a 1:1 [12-Jan-25 06:58 PM] antisyntax#0000 not a 1:6 [12-Jan-25 06:58 PM] tanda#0000 it's a rough start doing Metals these days [12-Jan-25 06:59 PM] antisyntax#0000 good thing im roughly established [12-Jan-25 06:59 PM] antisyntax#0000 tbf this game has been backburnered for a few months now, so i've just been steadily increasing my equity by just running my loops [12-Jan-25 06:59 PM] antisyntax#0000 im almost at 25m equity [12-Jan-25 06:59 PM] tanda#0000 That's one way to play this game! [12-Jan-25 07:00 PM] tanda#0000 Better than burning yourself out and stopping playing [12-Jan-25 07:00 PM] antisyntax#0000 yeah see i did that... took like a month to recover [12-Jan-25 07:00 PM] antisyntax#0000 had to ship consumables, repair buildings, restart prod lines, was fun /s [12-Jan-25 07:00 PM] tanda#0000 I bet. I dislike repairing bases intensely {Reactions} โ˜๏ธ [12-Jan-25 07:01 PM] antisyntax#0000 so now i ensure i have roughly 30 days of consumables. its expensive, and thats where most of my equity lies lol, but if i go awol for a few weeks again, not the end of the world [12-Jan-25 07:01 PM] antisyntax#0000 sure ill lose a ton of money because i won't have the space to continue producing [12-Jan-25 07:01 PM] antisyntax#0000 and ill just burn through my consumables [12-Jan-25 07:01 PM] antisyntax#0000 but restarting it is as easy as doing one loop [12-Jan-25 07:02 PM] tanda#0000 I've somehow mostly transitioned to having bases with 20+ days of storage [12-Jan-25 07:02 PM] tanda#0000 that and tbh, I've gotten decentish at using the mobile app [12-Jan-25 07:02 PM] antisyntax#0000 ew [12-Jan-25 07:02 PM] antisyntax#0000 yeah the mobile app needs some work [12-Jan-25 07:03 PM] antisyntax#0000 i would kill for a full-featured APEX on tablet [12-Jan-25 07:03 PM] antisyntax#0000 sure, i wont be able to have *all* my screens [12-Jan-25 07:03 PM] antisyntax#0000 but i could have and see an important 8 or so [12-Jan-25 07:03 PM] jvaler#0000 same i wish more stuff in the game acted like consumables and recurring orders, where it's just automatically subtracted from your inventory as long as you have a stockpile. having to manually intervene instead of just drop off items is annoying. at least CoGC/POPI upkeep doesn't have the same kind of time-sensitive window of efficiency that repairing has {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [12-Jan-25 07:05 PM] antisyntax#0000 i cant wait for the automation of trade routes / shipments [12-Jan-25 07:05 PM] antisyntax#0000 once that comes out, man ill be able to actually go AWOL and not worry about anything [12-Jan-25 07:05 PM] antisyntax#0000 as long as my ANT warehouse has a month or so of consumables, i can just let it go on autopilot [12-Jan-25 07:05 PM] antisyntax#0000 i also can't wait for player CX's / player stations [12-Jan-25 07:06 PM] antisyntax#0000 especially if there is a docking whitelist [12-Jan-25 07:06 PM] antisyntax#0000 because then we could just do the internal offers on the ADI space station w/o needing to deal with contracts [12-Jan-25 09:10 PM] jcheung#0000 I thought it was like 4:6 [12-Jan-25 09:10 PM] jcheung#0000 Going off memory tho [12-Jan-25 09:11 PM] antisyntax#0000 i was going off carbon to aluminum, but i was doing C:ALO not C:AL, so i guess its more 1:4 [12-Jan-25 09:11 PM] jcheung#0000 Oh [13-Jan-25 12:14 PM] freeloader4#0000 is there a way to remove a permit from a base, I have 2 and would only like it to have 1 [13-Jan-25 12:15 PM] laaxus#0000 yes [13-Jan-25 12:15 PM] laaxus#0000 you lower your area used to under 500 [13-Jan-25 12:15 PM] laaxus#0000 then you can lower it with the BS buffer [13-Jan-25 12:19 PM] freeloader4#0000 there doesnt seem to be an option {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1328428253542744064/image.png?ex=68150cb8&is=6813bb38&hm=67bc2522f66436bd9d333bc881ab812fe4db80a5983594db958cd1429a42e363& [13-Jan-25 12:26 PM] freeloader4#0000 oh mb wrong buffer {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [14-Jan-25 12:02 AM] getonthetrain#0000 Anyone on Elon, I left a little CL making kit on the LM [15-Jan-25 08:58 AM] antisyntax#0000 @jcheung I'm trying to fufil the Nascent Carbon contract, but your storage must be full [15-Jan-25 08:59 AM] jcheung#0000 oh. can you hold out for another... [15-Jan-25 08:59 AM] jcheung#0000 12 hours? [15-Jan-25 08:59 AM] antisyntax#0000 thats fine. i check the game once or so a day so it'll probably be tomorrow {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [16-Jan-25 02:28 AM] bookliko#0000 On a larger screen like a tablet, you could simply put the browser to desktop mode... [16-Jan-25 02:29 AM] antisyntax#0000 i've tried that before. it still only shows APEX mobile [16-Jan-25 02:30 AM] bookliko#0000 Might try a different browser. Works just fine on my mobile ๐Ÿ˜… {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [16-Jan-25 09:16 AM] pagy1234#0000 Hello [16-Jan-25 09:16 AM] jvaler#0000 harmonia is antares' FRM planet, not a bad pick if you still wanna do that [16-Jan-25 09:16 AM] pagy1234#0000 Im split between farming, and water. Dunno whats better/more fun/profitable/easier [16-Jan-25 09:16 AM] jvaler#0000 we also have deimos if you wanna smelt AL, antares is renowned for our strong AL industry [16-Jan-25 09:17 AM] pagy1234#0000 Hmm [16-Jan-25 09:17 AM] jvaler#0000 water as in DW or H2O? [16-Jan-25 09:17 AM] pagy1234#0000 No idea, people say both are in short supply, and both are good, but not to do both? [16-Jan-25 09:18 AM] jvaler#0000 cause for H2O in antares that's best done on ice station alpha, but that planet's quite expensive to build on [16-Jan-25 09:18 AM] laaxus#0000 please don't tap H2O {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [16-Jan-25 09:18 AM] pagy1234#0000 Probably a no then [16-Jan-25 09:18 AM] laaxus#0000 make DW [16-Jan-25 09:18 AM] laaxus#0000 not H20 [16-Jan-25 09:18 AM] pagy1234#0000 Alr, so il buy H2O and make dw {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [16-Jan-25 09:18 AM] laaxus#0000 H20 is super cheap, because someone is and wants to remain the H2O baron {Reactions} โœŒ๏ธ [16-Jan-25 09:18 AM] pagy1234#0000 Is it you perchance? [16-Jan-25 09:19 AM] laaxus#0000 no [16-Jan-25 09:19 AM] pagy1234#0000 Oh lol [16-Jan-25 09:19 AM] jvaler#0000 something you could do is actually start on norwick, the food industries CoGC planet, as opposed to phobos [16-Jan-25 09:19 AM] pagy1234#0000 Because of the food industry perk? [16-Jan-25 09:19 AM] jvaler#0000 you'd just pack your starter things into a ship, fly over there, and plop your base down [16-Jan-25 09:19 AM] jvaler#0000 yup [16-Jan-25 09:20 AM] pagy1234#0000 Lmao, nah i think id better just coliq, made multiple errors already [16-Jan-25 09:20 AM] jvaler#0000 no yeah that's what i mean [16-Jan-25 09:20 AM] jvaler#0000 right now your stuff is already placed down so you can't do that [16-Jan-25 09:20 AM] pagy1234#0000 Oh yeah kk [16-Jan-25 09:21 AM] jvaler#0000 but you know how when you first start you have a limited selection of starter planets? you're not actually technically limited to those [16-Jan-25 09:21 AM] jvaler#0000 you can just take your things to another planet and start there instead [16-Jan-25 09:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 Oh instead of pressing build base, i just move first? [16-Jan-25 09:22 AM] avalock#0000 *simply takes everything i own and makes the 3x permit puppygirl planet* {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [16-Jan-25 09:22 AM] jvaler#0000 yup [16-Jan-25 09:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 Damn ok [16-Jan-25 09:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 Whats the nearest starter planet? [16-Jan-25 09:22 AM] laaxus#0000 he can't, he is a free player [16-Jan-25 09:23 AM] jvaler#0000 nearest to the CX is technically phobos, but it sucks cause it's electronics CoGC. however, hephaestus is even closer to the CX, and i consider it an honorary starter. you just need to know about it first to start there. it has a manufacturing CoGC, which can be lucrative if you pick the right recipes to make in your BMPs [16-Jan-25 09:23 AM] laaxus#0000 it's still very profitable [16-Jan-25 09:23 AM] laaxus#0000 even if it's electronics cogc [16-Jan-25 09:24 AM] jvaler#0000 that's only because DW FP are profitable [16-Jan-25 09:24 AM] jvaler#0000 phobos isn't good on it's own merits [16-Jan-25 09:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 No i mean, where should i spawn in so i dont have to fly for 20h to get to phobos [16-Jan-25 09:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 Norwik* [16-Jan-25 09:25 AM] jvaler#0000 ah [16-Jan-25 09:25 AM] jvaler#0000 i think harmonia is closest [16-Jan-25 09:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 Oh kk [16-Jan-25 09:26 AM] jvaler#0000 norwick is on that arm of the map [16-Jan-25 09:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 ๐Ÿ˜” [16-Jan-25 09:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1329471978817589278/Screenshot_20250116_232647_Chrome.jpg?ex=6814e444&is=681392c4&hm=ce8724be17ecab5eec52c9a4d0c40ed0d7fbe3dbb73aa8b75fc72b28ab150fb7& [16-Jan-25 09:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 Gimme a min [16-Jan-25 09:27 AM] jvaler#0000 damn [16-Jan-25 09:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 What profession do i start with? [16-Jan-25 09:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 Victualler? [16-Jan-25 09:29 AM] jvaler#0000 yeah that's the one [16-Jan-25 09:29 AM] jvaler#0000 i think you'll get building mats for a FRM as well as the FP, but you can always just sell those mats [16-Jan-25 09:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 I need the fp no? [16-Jan-25 09:30 AM] jvaler#0000 for the DW plan, yes [16-Jan-25 09:30 AM] jvaler#0000 i meant selling the FRM mats [16-Jan-25 09:30 AM] laaxus#0000 btw, how can I see what's the MM bands ? Can't we give the grant through market manipulation ? [16-Jan-25 09:30 AM] laaxus#0000 like, he buy something for cheap, and then sell it back to use for much more [16-Jan-25 09:30 AM] laaxus#0000 and he gain the difference [16-Jan-25 09:31 AM] pagy1234#0000 Hahaha [16-Jan-25 09:31 AM] jvaler#0000 doesn't the FIO prices endpoint have MM data? [16-Jan-25 09:31 AM] laaxus#0000 idk [16-Jan-25 09:31 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm supposed to work right now [16-Jan-25 09:31 AM] laaxus#0000 so I can't check [16-Jan-25 09:31 AM] jvaler#0000 iirc it does, i'm in bed rn tho so i'm not checking lol {Reactions} AMsleepu [16-Jan-25 09:31 AM] pagy1234#0000 Wouldnt it also just sell to the person who has oldest bid? [16-Jan-25 09:31 AM] pagy1234#0000 I can check [16-Jan-25 09:32 AM] laaxus#0000 hence why we must find a product with close to no bid and ask [16-Jan-25 09:32 AM] laaxus#0000 like jui [16-Jan-25 09:32 AM] pagy1234#0000 Oh fair enough [16-Jan-25 09:32 AM] pagy1234#0000 Where tf you gonna get 1mil AIC worth of something no one wants or has [16-Jan-25 09:33 AM] jvaler#0000 there's a number of dead-end commodities that haven't had uses implemented yet [16-Jan-25 09:33 AM] jvaler#0000 MTC for example [16-Jan-25 09:35 AM] jvaler#0000 that or intermediates that have only a single use, so most people who consume them just produce it themselves, like IND [16-Jan-25 09:35 AM] pagy1234#0000 Ah ok [16-Jan-25 09:35 AM] pagy1234#0000 Ok, im in the game [16-Jan-25 09:36 AM] pagy1234#0000 Ships are boutta head to norwik - YK-649b {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™Œ [16-Jan-25 09:36 AM] pagy1234#0000 Off they go [16-Jan-25 09:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 I can check whayever comodities you guys wanna market manipulate (if you really think its nessessary) [16-Jan-25 09:37 AM] jvaler#0000 is your second ship still available? [16-Jan-25 09:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 Not rly [16-Jan-25 09:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 I can cancel? [16-Jan-25 09:37 AM] jvaler#0000 you can [16-Jan-25 09:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 I mved both since both have tons of stuff onboard [16-Jan-25 09:38 AM] jvaler#0000 if it's empty, you should send it to the CX to go ahead and buy your H2O [16-Jan-25 09:38 AM] jvaler#0000 so you can start producing sooner [16-Jan-25 09:38 AM] jvaler#0000 oh it has stuff too? [16-Jan-25 09:38 AM] jvaler#0000 nvm then [16-Jan-25 09:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 Oh yeah and its weirdlt split [16-Jan-25 09:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 All construction in one [16-Jan-25 09:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 And all nessessities in other [16-Jan-25 09:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 But i do start with 32 water [16-Jan-25 09:42 AM] pagy1234#0000 So that should be alr [16-Jan-25 09:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 Wait the CX is farrrr [16-Jan-25 09:43 AM] jvaler#0000 iirc CX <-> norwick is 16hrs lolol [16-Jan-25 09:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 @jvaler should i just send a ships to cx anyways and load up a bunch of water before i start producing? [16-Jan-25 09:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 Meh, thats alr [16-Jan-25 09:43 AM] jvaler#0000 probably... 32 isn't gonna last you long [16-Jan-25 09:44 AM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah i can either send a ship to cx as soon as im set up, or do it now and delay setup [16-Jan-25 09:44 AM] jvaler#0000 you also need to buy luxury consumables while you're there [16-Jan-25 09:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 Nah il send my nessessities ship now, might aswell grab extra stuff [16-Jan-25 09:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 Yep [16-Jan-25 09:46 AM] jvaler#0000 alr u seem set up for now, i'mma go nap [16-Jan-25 09:47 AM] pagy1234#0000 Goodnight๐Ÿ‘‹ [16-Jan-25 09:47 AM] pagy1234#0000 Thanks for the help [16-Jan-25 09:56 AM] pagy1234#0000 Shopping orders: 200 H2O 5 PWO 5 COF 20 DW 20 RAT 10 OVE Total : 20240 AIC Am I missing anything critical? [16-Jan-25 09:58 AM] freeloader4#0000 if you have a little DW, you likely wont need DW because youll be making it [16-Jan-25 09:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 Oh yeah, fair point [16-Jan-25 09:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 Ig i can always resell it lol [16-Jan-25 09:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 I will need some construction material right? [16-Jan-25 10:00 AM] .urpalhal#0000 To make the base? Yep [16-Jan-25 10:00 AM] pagy1234#0000 What exactly will i need? [16-Jan-25 10:00 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Idk [16-Jan-25 10:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 Alr il find out lol [16-Jan-25 10:01 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m not sure what youโ€™re building [16-Jan-25 10:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 Dw base [16-Jan-25 10:04 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok how many FP on Norwick? Do you know what PrunPlanner is? [16-Jan-25 10:07 AM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah i know how to use prun planner [16-Jan-25 10:07 AM] pagy1234#0000 And how many [16-Jan-25 10:07 AM] pagy1234#0000 Idk [16-Jan-25 10:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 Maybe 1 or 2 to start with [16-Jan-25 10:08 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh uh [16-Jan-25 10:08 AM] jcheung#0000 you still need some to start off [16-Jan-25 10:08 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I would put some numbers into prunplanner and it can tell you exact numbers on construction stuffs [16-Jan-25 10:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 PP is telling me i need 125x H2O a day PER Fs [16-Jan-25 10:09 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok [16-Jan-25 10:10 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Do you see the button on the left side that says construction? Thatโ€™s where you can see how much of each building mat you need [16-Jan-25 10:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 I havent got a base yet [16-Jan-25 10:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 Still moving to norwik [16-Jan-25 10:10 AM] .urpalhal#0000 No in PrunPlanner [16-Jan-25 10:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 Ohh [16-Jan-25 10:12 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean we could do the math by hand but [16-Jan-25 10:12 AM] pagy1234#0000 Ok, i need 3x BDE [16-Jan-25 10:12 AM] pagy1234#0000 I have everything else [16-Jan-25 10:12 AM] pagy1234#0000 To make 2x FS [16-Jan-25 10:12 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Nice [16-Jan-25 10:13 AM] jcheung#0000 if you haven't got a base yet [16-Jan-25 10:13 AM] jcheung#0000 you also need the CM [16-Jan-25 10:13 AM] jcheung#0000 and also housing [16-Jan-25 10:13 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Well I believe itโ€™s his first base [16-Jan-25 10:13 AM] .urpalhal#0000 So has the cm box [16-Jan-25 10:13 AM] jcheung#0000 well. i was going off this and skipped scrolling up {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1329483794201317376/image.png?ex=6814ef45&is=68139dc5&hm=c271e7f7ca5518591183d6ba5ea6e441eafcc311d38499c2838ee91a50100318& [16-Jan-25 10:14 AM] .urpalhal#0000 No worries [16-Jan-25 10:14 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I read up so others didnโ€™t have to [16-Jan-25 10:14 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Jvaler nap baton pass to Hal [16-Jan-25 10:14 AM] pagy1234#0000 :D [16-Jan-25 10:14 AM] pagy1234#0000 Alr [16-Jan-25 10:15 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But yeah you will need houses for your workers to live in [16-Jan-25 10:15 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Some HB1s [16-Jan-25 10:18 AM] pagy1234#0000 Shopping orders: (updated) 200 H2O (+ 200) 5 PWO 5 COF 20 DW 20 RAT 10 OVE (3 BDE) Total : 20240 AIC New total : 33170 AIC [16-Jan-25 10:18 AM] pagy1234#0000 Forgot abt that [16-Jan-25 10:19 AM] pagy1234#0000 Lol [16-Jan-25 10:19 AM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜† [16-Jan-25 10:20 AM] pagy1234#0000 I cant afford it anymore๐Ÿ˜” [16-Jan-25 10:20 AM] pagy1234#0000 Missing alot of stuff [16-Jan-25 10:20 AM] pagy1234#0000 Only got 11.8k in the bank aswell [16-Jan-25 10:20 AM] .urpalhal#0000 This is your first base? [16-Jan-25 10:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 Yep [16-Jan-25 10:21 AM] .urpalhal#0000 What package did you pick? [16-Jan-25 10:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 Veultrist [16-Jan-25 10:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 Whatever its called/spelled [16-Jan-25 10:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 Water guy [16-Jan-25 10:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 ^^ [16-Jan-25 10:22 AM] .urpalhal#0000 hmmm ๐Ÿค” [16-Jan-25 10:22 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Why no get a grant? [16-Jan-25 10:22 AM] laaxus#0000 he's free player [16-Jan-25 10:22 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Ooh [16-Jan-25 10:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 Ya [16-Jan-25 10:22 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Uh [16-Jan-25 10:22 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Hmm [16-Jan-25 10:22 AM] jcheung#0000 before or after your shopping list {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [16-Jan-25 10:23 AM] pagy1234#0000 They were proposing some market manipulation to give me grant sneakily or smt [16-Jan-25 10:23 AM] pagy1234#0000 After [16-Jan-25 10:23 AM] jcheung#0000 damn [16-Jan-25 10:23 AM] pagy1234#0000 Most trades already went through [16-Jan-25 10:23 AM] pagy1234#0000 Maybe just starting off with 2x hb1 and 1x FS [16-Jan-25 10:23 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh yeah I wouldโ€™ve done thisโ€ฆ [16-Jan-25 10:23 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean sure [16-Jan-25 10:24 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah, the issue is that he spent all his capital on goods [16-Jan-25 10:24 AM] laaxus#0000 so now that market manipulation idea is not possible anymore [16-Jan-25 10:24 AM] jcheung#0000 it is [16-Jan-25 10:24 AM] jcheung#0000 if the goods are at CX [16-Jan-25 10:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 Ah shoot. [16-Jan-25 10:24 AM] jcheung#0000 we can just liquidate it [16-Jan-25 10:24 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm pretty sure free player can't buy goods outside of the MM range ? {Reactions} โœ… [16-Jan-25 10:24 AM] jcheung#0000 you don't have to [16-Jan-25 10:25 AM] laaxus#0000 when you don't have cash, you kinda have to [16-Jan-25 10:25 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Or [16-Jan-25 10:25 AM] jcheung#0000 you do quantity, within the ask and bid bands [16-Jan-25 10:25 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I have a code for temporary free pro [16-Jan-25 10:25 AM] laaxus#0000 that works too [16-Jan-25 10:25 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Boom problem solve [16-Jan-25 10:25 AM] laaxus#0000 It reminds me I have a few [16-Jan-25 10:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 U sure? [16-Jan-25 10:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 Dont wanna be wasting your codes [16-Jan-25 10:26 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yuh they just sit there unused [16-Jan-25 10:26 AM] .urpalhal#0000 โ€œWasteโ€ itโ€™s a waste for them to chill [16-Jan-25 10:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 I mean, if you are really sure about it then its fine with me too [16-Jan-25 10:27 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Who else is gonna use them? I canโ€™t use them on myself [16-Jan-25 10:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 Much appreciated [16-Jan-25 10:31 AM] pagy1234#0000 Total cost of aditional stuff needed for 2x hb1 and 2x fs stands around 20.6k aic [16-Jan-25 10:31 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok send you a PM with the key [16-Jan-25 10:32 AM] pagy1234#0000 Thanks alot mate [16-Jan-25 10:32 AM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿซก [16-Jan-25 10:33 AM] jcheung#0000 i do wonder if you can use it with basic [16-Jan-25 10:33 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Wym? [16-Jan-25 10:34 AM] .urpalhal#0000 The free pro codes give pro but then you go back to free not basic after [16-Jan-25 10:36 AM] pagy1234#0000 Alr, i got PRO [16-Jan-25 10:36 AM] pagy1234#0000 How do i get the grant now? [16-Jan-25 10:37 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Make plan in Prunplanner then the sharks judge and provide feedback and give out cash [16-Jan-25 10:37 AM] laaxus#0000 #agp-information [16-Jan-25 10:37 AM] jcheung#0000 i meant if like someone gets pro and then loses it [16-Jan-25 10:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 Ah cool, il check it out [16-Jan-25 10:38 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes [16-Jan-25 10:38 AM] jcheung#0000 goes pro not from gift code [16-Jan-25 10:39 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes I know itโ€™s temporary [16-Jan-25 10:39 AM] jcheung#0000 if *i* were to try to use it when pro expires [16-Jan-25 10:39 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean I think you would go to basic [16-Jan-25 10:39 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Not free [16-Jan-25 10:39 AM] jcheung#0000 go on [16-Jan-25 10:40 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Bc *you* bought pro before [16-Jan-25 10:40 AM] jcheung#0000 go on [16-Jan-25 10:40 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Thatโ€™s all I got [16-Jan-25 10:40 AM] laaxus#0000 I think only free players can activate pro code ? [16-Jan-25 10:41 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Idk ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [16-Jan-25 10:41 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I have never tried [16-Jan-25 12:44 PM] archielvahr#0000 I also seem to recall you can't use the code if you previously had a code {Reactions} โค๏ธโ€๐Ÿฉน โœ… [16-Jan-25 12:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1329521780238581781/image0.jpg?ex=681512a5&is=6813c125&hm=4d1f62be9938a6994df5092a4b1bc139c374120e35b19312db43376036583091& [16-Jan-25 08:49 PM] pagy1234#0000 wait rly? [16-Jan-25 08:49 PM] pagy1234#0000 thats unfortunate [16-Jan-25 09:07 PM] archielvahr#0000 I'm like 75% sure. Maybe I'm thinking about the... no basic players can use a code rule..? [16-Jan-25 09:35 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm 99.9% sure... if you've already used a key for 1 month of PRO you can't use another key, people have tried [16-Jan-25 11:41 PM] pagy1234#0000 damn ok [17-Jan-25 04:14 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 are there ship repair calculators to help figure out "when to repair a ship" similar to the base repair calculators in refined prun and prunplanner? [17-Jan-25 04:15 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 like, when will the next big items tick over. [17-Jan-25 04:16 AM] .shiva.#0000 Doesnt really matter as much, 80% is when they start significantly slowing down though [17-Jan-25 04:18 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 do most people just do 79-81% or so then? [17-Jan-25 04:18 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 mostly I'm trying to figure out the cost to plan for more than "optimal time" I guess. I can see the current cost, but not the cost in another 10% of repair need (or 9.5% if that saves a significant amount) [17-Jan-25 04:19 AM] .shiva.#0000 Its not going to be a ton more. Extra hull plate or two [17-Jan-25 04:21 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 ok thanks [17-Jan-25 04:22 AM] .shiva.#0000 Theres a fixed cost + something that scales with the dmg% [17-Jan-25 04:22 AM] .shiva.#0000 So as long as you don't constantly top it up, its kinda w/e [17-Jan-25 04:23 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 yeah, given that I'm still pretty poor, I'd love to know where the next hull plate or SSC tacks on. that 3k is small but still noticable to me ๐Ÿ™‚ [17-Jan-25 04:23 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 but the total isn't much compaired to base repair, its true [17-Jan-25 04:24 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 As long as I'm not going to need to come up with, like, an ENG (its just hull plates and SSC etc), then I can worry less though. [17-Jan-25 04:43 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah, there are 2 schools : - Repair at 80%, that's when it starts to be annoying and it doesn't cost much - Never repair, it doesn't slow it down that much anyway [17-Jan-25 04:43 AM] laaxus#0000 The second school are for barbarians {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [17-Jan-25 04:43 AM] laaxus#0000 don't do that [17-Jan-25 05:39 AM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/im-kind-of-offended-nathan-drake-tom-holland-uncharted-movie-i-feel-a-bit-offended-gif-25022955 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/im-kind-of-offended-nathan-drake-tom-holland-uncharted-movie-i-feel-a-bit-offended-gif-25022955 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/qWYKaPgCko6Dl61QNspy-51xp3H_1S2f164Ox6iKtec/https/media.tenor.com/IoOq1F69LgUAAAAe/im-kind-of-offended-nathan-drake.png [17-Jan-25 05:40 AM] realharvey#0000 No repair Masterrace {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1329777400388521995/image.png?ex=6814af36&is=68135db6&hm=a2e2744557e8ede69d8ee53e9a53c99d84c1cab01cbeb84c2e5da4e20d44abe3& {Reactions} monk fear [17-Jan-25 05:54 AM] tanda#0000 Whattttt. 4 ships not in the red? [17-Jan-25 06:01 AM] laaxus#0000 RIP Corgi III [17-Jan-25 06:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 how did you rename them lol [17-Jan-25 06:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 mine are all called some random series of numbers and letters [17-Jan-25 06:26 AM] realharvey#0000 they are pretty new. Give them time [17-Jan-25 06:26 AM] realharvey#0000 just click on the name? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1329789041666822154/image.png?ex=6814ba0d&is=6813688d&hm=e4d706fbbc0cef63c589de38258d9c0c501d89b9f0c011af43dde4cde821bd42& [17-Jan-25 06:38 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh whoops [17-Jan-25 06:56 AM] avalock#0000 More dog pilled than me [17-Jan-25 06:57 AM] realharvey#0000 I've been around for longer I think [17-Jan-25 06:57 AM] realharvey#0000 in March I'll add 3 ships to the fleet [17-Jan-25 06:57 AM] avalock#0000 I think if i was still playing iโ€™d be celebrating a year {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ [17-Jan-25 07:01 AM] avalock#0000 Yeees you joined 8 months ago [17-Jan-25 07:01 AM] avalock#0000 And this was my first mention {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1329797808554770483/IMG_5999.png?ex=6814c238&is=681370b8&hm=faab104c0d5f79669e85ec9842a8d5b0ef4c98ad90b401d7453b993c37bd3b99& [18-Jan-25 05:00 AM] laaxus#0000 I thnk it's time for me to pull the plug on my SME base {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1330129733769498737/4i5hru.png?ex=6814a5d9&is=68135459&hm=6ef7f2bbfe21ddcf23c232a23efe0f52cb4ea6722731a1e80bae645375544c02& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [18-Jan-25 07:56 AM] jcheung#0000 Wacha swapping it for [18-Jan-25 07:56 AM] jcheung#0000 And what did you make, where [18-Jan-25 08:01 AM] laaxus#0000 I was smelting LI [18-Jan-25 08:01 AM] laaxus#0000 on deimos [18-Jan-25 08:01 AM] laaxus#0000 for months [18-Jan-25 08:01 AM] laaxus#0000 but there isn't supply for LIO anymore [18-Jan-25 08:01 AM] laaxus#0000 and there isn't huge demand for LI anymore [18-Jan-25 08:02 AM] laaxus#0000 as for what to swap it for [18-Jan-25 08:02 AM] laaxus#0000 Idk [18-Jan-25 08:03 AM] igfloz#0000 I'm bringing back small amounts of LIO and HAL from a faraway place - not enough to feed a full SME base, but possibly it could help for you to keep injecting LI production in between other SME ingredients ? [18-Jan-25 08:04 AM] laaxus#0000 HAL isn't an issue, I have my own HAL production [18-Jan-25 08:04 AM] laaxus#0000 and again, there just isn't huge demand anymore [18-Jan-25 08:04 AM] laaxus#0000 I used to sell into allocater bid [18-Jan-25 08:04 AM] igfloz#0000 yeah, I noticed the lack of demand [18-Jan-25 08:05 AM] laaxus#0000 it was nice while it lasted [18-Jan-25 08:05 AM] jcheung#0000 Time to go full AL [18-Jan-25 08:06 AM] laaxus#0000 AL isn't that worth it [18-Jan-25 08:06 AM] laaxus#0000 and requires huge shipping [18-Jan-25 08:07 AM] laaxus#0000 I might just start my plan of selling ship parts on the cx [18-Jan-25 08:08 AM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ‘€ which parts [18-Jan-25 08:08 AM] laaxus#0000 IDK, I'll see [18-Jan-25 08:08 AM] jcheung#0000 Let me know [18-Jan-25 08:08 AM] jcheung#0000 Please [18-Jan-25 08:08 AM] laaxus#0000 On deimos, I can produce WCB LCB VCB with SFK I believe ? [18-Jan-25 08:09 AM] laaxus#0000 why ? [18-Jan-25 08:09 AM] laaxus#0000 it's not like I can supply every parts required by a ship [18-Jan-25 08:10 AM] jcheung#0000 Planning for PSK [18-Jan-25 08:10 AM] laaxus#0000 psk ? [18-Jan-25 01:24 PM] tanda#0000 I must have spaced this hardcore because I buy it in huge lots very occassionally. But what happened to HE? Did a major supplier quit? [18-Jan-25 01:29 PM] kynadre#0000 random question, sort of, if someone doesn't accept a contract within some period of time does it auto cancel? [18-Jan-25 01:33 PM] realharvey#0000 Yes like 3-4 days I think [18-Jan-25 01:41 PM] tanda#0000 I think it's less than that. IIRC it's like 24 hours [18-Jan-25 01:42 PM] tanda#0000 faction contracts autocancel in 24 hours [18-Jan-25 01:42 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1330261116760227851/image.png?ex=68147775&is=681325f5&hm=b584379a616605f224790d9e99bd26815ec47dcbb74dc75bc04cd1540f990895& [18-Jan-25 01:42 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1330261177900732539/image.png?ex=68147783&is=68132603&hm=145034b357ce005841ac6e69ad72ee1c6e70af185c83a1f03e17f7acc91d2e51& [18-Jan-25 01:45 PM] laaxus#0000 I have 1000 AL @ deimos, if anybody needs some [18-Jan-25 01:45 PM] laaxus#0000 selling at bid [18-Jan-25 01:46 PM] tanda#0000 AL sitting at 1k and a 20 SME base still only makes 66k a day {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [18-Jan-25 01:46 PM] laaxus#0000 this is why I don't smelt AL [18-Jan-25 01:46 PM] laaxus#0000 twice less profit than other base [18-Jan-25 02:05 PM] realharvey#0000 Alo price is super high which is why Al smelting sucks right now [18-Jan-25 02:23 PM] jvaler#0000 yes, after 48hrs {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [18-Jan-25 02:24 PM] jvaler#0000 those are 48hrs too {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [18-Jan-25 03:55 PM] jcheung#0000 i thought faction contracts just hung out until you accepted or rejected ๐Ÿค” [18-Jan-25 03:55 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 nope, they expire if you don't touch them, but they tend to look similar so you might not notice. [18-Jan-25 05:08 PM] riseoffilth#0000 come to SE-648a and plop down a LIO mining base [18-Jan-25 05:08 PM] riseoffilth#0000 LI production makes damn good money [18-Jan-25 05:08 PM] riseoffilth#0000 just not if you have to buy the ore [18-Jan-25 05:08 PM] riseoffilth#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Jan-25 12:59 AM] laaxus#0000 I wake up and see that someone bought me 24k sfk [19-Jan-25 12:59 AM] laaxus#0000 Sigh [19-Jan-25 12:59 AM] laaxus#0000 Time to buy moria stock [19-Jan-25 06:01 AM] the_czarina#0000 Nah someone just bought up a bunch recently, there wasnโ€™t that many HE producers in the first place. To put it into perspective, I make 390 HE a month and am the 15th(ish) largest producerโ€ฆ [19-Jan-25 06:01 AM] the_czarina#0000 We just need more HE producers lol [19-Jan-25 06:02 AM] laaxus#0000 then you'd need more HE consummers lol [19-Jan-25 06:24 AM] pxlfox.#0000 LOL, didn't watch AL prices for a while. Completly missed the price hike ๐Ÿ˜… ๐Ÿ˜‚ [19-Jan-25 06:26 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It feels like the market is understocked in multiple areas lately with rising prices in multiple markets, especially in essential markets, like DW, COF and AL [19-Jan-25 06:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 does anyone has some intel on that? Is that just a feeling, or are we actually loosing people/having more consumers? [19-Jan-25 09:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 you guys wernt wrong, DW is a crazy market [19-Jan-25 09:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1330561855810310185/Screenshot_2025-01-19_at_11.31.55_PM.png?ex=6814e6cb&is=6813954b&hm=856c2c2e92fcd31e0d998958d815e4e7161a25eb9f13c464df7154c5a59ab101& [19-Jan-25 09:38 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Water is good stuff [19-Jan-25 09:39 AM] pagy1234#0000 frr [19-Jan-25 09:39 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/jcvd-30-20-water-love-water-gif-25619360 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/jcvd-30-20-water-love-water-gif-25619360 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Q7DeZm3-kn5kr1LmzS35kaqyKtbK_htH1S6zjKsjT54/https/media.tenor.com/6Ll5OAS4LvYAAAAe/jcvd-30.png [19-Jan-25 09:50 AM] realharvey#0000 Drinking Water you say? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1330565097730347039/image.png?ex=6814e9d0&is=68139850&hm=58712755f9d70dfbee088b3a107a09d75219e83978ce11640dfc248cdaa75356& [19-Jan-25 09:51 AM] laaxus#0000 btw [19-Jan-25 09:51 AM] laaxus#0000 install RPrun if you haven't already [19-Jan-25 09:53 AM] archielvahr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1330565821054980126/image.png?ex=6814ea7c&is=681398fc&hm=857dbe268a868a43b2783e3feaa6334f823f0f7f8996dff5638643229d7d856a& [19-Jan-25 09:53 AM] archielvahr#0000 36% efficiency gets you to 6th place [19-Jan-25 09:54 AM] archielvahr#0000 over the past 7 days the average was closer to 20 [19-Jan-25 09:54 AM] archielvahr#0000 so I guess t his one tap will be a lot [19-Jan-25 10:04 AM] pagy1234#0000 DAYUM [19-Jan-25 10:05 AM] pagy1234#0000 how on earth did you manage to sell at 117? [19-Jan-25 10:06 AM] pagy1234#0000 how do I do that? and what does it do? [19-Jan-25 10:07 AM] laaxus#0000 https://github.com/refined-prun/refined-prun/tree/main {Embed} https://github.com/refined-prun/refined-prun/tree/main GitHub - refined-prun/refined-prun Contribute to refined-prun/refined-prun development by creating an account on GitHub. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1pz3EKGe0rPzYQXKXEKuIr19StexGIX7eGiVzSanIcE/https/opengraph.githubassets.com/a30591e38b368e52e127f6f7a449942eccb313c505982d8a6d555ee6370ee50a/refined-prun/refined-prun [19-Jan-25 10:07 AM] laaxus#0000 it's basically prun extended [19-Jan-25 10:07 AM] laaxus#0000 I consider it core part of the game, alongside prunplanner [19-Jan-25 10:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 like just visual stuff or more UI menus? [19-Jan-25 10:08 AM] laaxus#0000 read it, I won't copy paste the page [19-Jan-25 10:09 AM] laaxus#0000 this is an extension you can downloand for firefox and chromium based browsers [19-Jan-25 10:09 AM] laaxus#0000 it does a shit ton of QoL [19-Jan-25 10:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh nice [19-Jan-25 10:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 umm [19-Jan-25 10:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 im not on windows, will it still work? [19-Jan-25 10:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 sadly on mac rn [19-Jan-25 10:10 AM] laaxus#0000 you're using safari ? [19-Jan-25 10:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 nah lol [19-Jan-25 10:11 AM] laaxus#0000 it's a web browser extension [19-Jan-25 10:11 AM] laaxus#0000 so you should be fine [19-Jan-25 10:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh kk, [19-Jan-25 10:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 nice [19-Jan-25 10:12 AM] pagy1234#0000 works [19-Jan-25 10:12 AM] pagy1234#0000 all i had to do was refresh page [19-Jan-25 10:12 AM] pagy1234#0000 already seeing the QOL๐Ÿคฃ [19-Jan-25 10:20 AM] tanda#0000 I guess I know who I'll be buying from when I bring my 3 WEL bases online later this year [19-Jan-25 10:23 AM] realharvey#0000 Was a couple of days ago. Price is trending down because to many people are hopping on. But it's only slowly going down [19-Jan-25 10:25 AM] tanda#0000 at this rate we might be looking at needing more water taps again. But if we can get DW run down a bit, maybe we can fix the COF market finally [19-Jan-25 10:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 COF has been horendous๐Ÿ˜ญ no way im paying 900 a piece [19-Jan-25 10:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 Hope it doesnt keep going down too far [19-Jan-25 10:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 Btw, do you keep storage of H2O incase prices rise? [19-Jan-25 10:29 AM] tanda#0000 By the time the market can correct to that, you will have made your money back [19-Jan-25 10:30 AM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah for sure [19-Jan-25 10:30 AM] laaxus#0000 Cof price doesn't matter [19-Jan-25 10:30 AM] laaxus#0000 as one buy so few of them at a time [19-Jan-25 10:31 AM] tanda#0000 Yeah, it's still better to buy COF, the added productivity helps a lot {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Jan-25 10:31 AM] pagy1234#0000 For me its still a pretty significant expense [19-Jan-25 10:32 AM] pagy1234#0000 I bought 30 in the last 2 days, and im paying as much for that as for 1k H2O [19-Jan-25 10:32 AM] pagy1234#0000 (Close to) [19-Jan-25 10:33 AM] tanda#0000 Without COF {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1330575899703246911/image.png?ex=6814f3df&is=6813a25f&hm=0cfe0196b8e2209743ad7886207678369022a4b5ad144065e396f9738bafe6c7& [19-Jan-25 10:33 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1330575963188105317/image.png?ex=6814f3ee&is=6813a26e&hm=11227b78c1b51b05aed3543c3ca41ecf56db25917a6d00855814ca17532e67ed& [19-Jan-25 10:33 AM] tanda#0000 With COF [19-Jan-25 10:34 AM] tanda#0000 makes you around 200 extra DW a day and about 13k profit per day [19-Jan-25 10:34 AM] tanda#0000 I suppose that's pretty tight [19-Jan-25 10:48 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah that is pretty neat [19-Jan-25 10:58 AM] tanda#0000 ugh, I let my base repairs pile up {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1330582252249284648/image.png?ex=6814f9c9&is=6813a849&hm=14ddc4c4e36bbb055896c5890661f317a8371e919fb59fff4fdd632060e333c4& [19-Jan-25 11:17 AM] jcheung#0000 so, how much spare HE do you make? [19-Jan-25 12:31 PM] archielvahr#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [19-Jan-25 12:32 PM] archielvahr#0000 I will probably sell the excess in corp, then the extra-excess on the CX [19-Jan-25 12:38 PM] archielvahr#0000 But I can try to post some here [19-Jan-25 01:10 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm selling COF in #internal-offers =) [19-Jan-25 01:18 PM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/cup-coffee-jumping-happy-delighted-gif-9542096858093594688 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/cup-coffee-jumping-happy-delighted-gif-9542096858093594688 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/KdrrH9KJHEuflmQP56goc8gkzHYKYEgs9KgbMYlxgTs/https/media.tenor.com/hGxWiUcKKEAAAAAe/cup-coffee.png [19-Jan-25 06:47 PM] tanda#0000 we're 1 AIC off MM with RAT now [19-Jan-25 06:47 PM] tanda#0000 so at least that situation can't get any worse [19-Jan-25 07:29 PM] jcheung#0000 it could [19-Jan-25 07:29 PM] jcheung#0000 the devs could raise the RAT MM [19-Jan-25 07:34 PM] sidepipe#0000 As a RAT producer Iโ€™d be in favor of this ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Jan-25 07:38 PM] sidepipe#0000 I havenโ€™t been getting as many private RAT sales recently, so Iโ€™ve been able to list a bunch. Iโ€™ve been considering finding a planet to make another FP base on [19-Jan-25 09:22 PM] jcheung#0000 I can fix that if you want [19-Jan-25 09:23 PM] jcheung#0000 Been trying to wean myself off ADI internal, slowly [19-Jan-25 09:23 PM] jcheung#0000 But I'll happily eat a lot of your RATs and DW ๐Ÿ˜œ [19-Jan-25 11:48 PM] evov#0000 r.e. HE - I bought out a heap nearly a month ago. I was half expecting volume to recover after prices went up a bit. My current stock (as at a few days ago) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1330775820410687600/image.png?ex=68150550&is=6813b3d0&hm=d181c43e3dcf467be40a64a1bf4ffff398a729b2f7d97cd722e43e9e146e548a& [19-Jan-25 11:57 PM] pagy1234#0000 141% efficiency sounds pretty juicy, but what does it even mean? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1330778099754991688/Screenshot_2025-01-20_at_1.56.20_PM.png?ex=6815076f&is=6813b5ef&hm=1956159accc0983aa4e63f8863bb503db9d37feef9c31d6428a305fbf7f3ca58& [19-Jan-25 11:57 PM] pagy1234#0000 like it produces 41% faster than normal? [20-Jan-25 12:38 AM] jvaler#0000 yup [20-Jan-25 12:39 AM] jvaler#0000 efficiency = speed in prun, not yield [20-Jan-25 12:48 AM] pagy1234#0000 I see [20-Jan-25 12:48 AM] pagy1234#0000 my math has some flaws then [20-Jan-25 04:39 AM] pagy1234#0000 Actually, just because im curious, is 141% good? Or are there some simple ways to bump this up? [20-Jan-25 04:39 AM] laaxus#0000 most aim to 160.5 [20-Jan-25 04:39 AM] laaxus#0000 smthing like that [20-Jan-25 04:39 AM] laaxus#0000 which is both luxuries + 5 experts [20-Jan-25 04:39 AM] laaxus#0000 you most probably have both luxuries + 3 experts [20-Jan-25 04:40 AM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah spot on [20-Jan-25 04:41 AM] laaxus#0000 100% is basic consummables + 0 expert [20-Jan-25 04:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 In about a month (i think) i will have 1 more expert [20-Jan-25 04:41 AM] laaxus#0000 nah [20-Jan-25 04:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah [20-Jan-25 04:41 AM] laaxus#0000 it depends on the industry [20-Jan-25 04:41 AM] laaxus#0000 For some it takes a month to reach 5, for some it takes 2 weeks [20-Jan-25 04:42 AM] pagy1234#0000 I have 10 FP, and last i checked it was a couple hundred days for the 4th expert divided by number of buildings producing [20-Jan-25 04:42 AM] laaxus#0000 ah yes, you don't have a full base yet [20-Jan-25 04:42 AM] laaxus#0000 so yeah, it will take longer [20-Jan-25 04:42 AM] pagy1234#0000 Oh kk [20-Jan-25 04:42 AM] pagy1234#0000 Well im aiming to be at 13FPs by wednesday {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [20-Jan-25 04:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 Maybe 15 by saturday [20-Jan-25 04:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 I have a big chunk of money to spend still [20-Jan-25 04:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 And earnings are fast and constant {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ’ฐ [20-Jan-25 04:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 :D [20-Jan-25 06:56 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1330883665655496776/Screenshot_20250120-135618.png?ex=6814c100&is=68136f80&hm=47de99a1281389e5c0a84bd6c208a541b545e5219a5a02d51fc7c7b8f8a46ab4& [20-Jan-25 06:56 AM] laaxus#0000 @Market Alerts [20-Jan-25 06:56 AM] laaxus#0000 Ton of money to be made if you have stocks [20-Jan-25 07:02 AM] tanda#0000 welp, say goodbye to the HER market [20-Jan-25 07:03 AM] tanda#0000 BEN just emptied 3 days ago on FIM too, so this might be a knockon effect from that [20-Jan-25 07:07 AM] laaxus#0000 i'm already a full time fim producer [20-Jan-25 07:07 AM] laaxus#0000 with the issues we have with RAT and DW [20-Jan-25 07:08 AM] laaxus#0000 it seems like a major FP player left the game [20-Jan-25 07:20 AM] tanda#0000 I know what you mean, but that must have happened nearly 4 months ago. RAT/DW have been elevated or climbing for 90 days now [20-Jan-25 08:05 AM] jcheung#0000 ah, shit. [20-Jan-25 08:05 AM] jcheung#0000 MEA will probably spike soon after [20-Jan-25 08:07 AM] laaxus#0000 HER has been the most profitable FRM recipe for a long time [20-Jan-25 08:08 AM] laaxus#0000 it has twice the roi of the second [20-Jan-25 08:09 AM] tanda#0000 and here I was thinking about shutting down my FRMs on Harmonia [20-Jan-25 08:09 AM] brelov#0000 Seems my water base is going to be of great use [20-Jan-25 08:10 AM] laaxus#0000 join the HER clan [20-Jan-25 08:11 AM] laaxus#0000 some are praising beanz, meanwhile I'm smoking HER and printing TONS OF MONEY {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [20-Jan-25 08:12 AM] tanda#0000 I swapped it over to a two month HER run about a month ago. I was intending to tear down afterwards, but it does look like HER will be pretty spicy for a while [20-Jan-25 08:15 AM] brelov#0000 HER is temporary, BEA is forever [20-Jan-25 08:37 AM] sidepipe#0000 Looks like maybe LazyCorp put in a huge buy order [20-Jan-25 08:38 AM] sidepipe#0000 based off these base locations, I'll give you one guess as to what they make ๐Ÿ˜„ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1330909212628484179/image.png?ex=6814d8cb&is=6813874b&hm=df3da1d333561a505dee059b0481e02cc30d25d66b4af810af11a9999bd6bcf0& [20-Jan-25 08:40 AM] laaxus#0000 truly a lazy corp [20-Jan-25 08:43 AM] sidepipe#0000 I'm kinda in a similar place. Considering swapping harmonia over to HER full-time as well, and then setting up more HYF on Life or something like that [20-Jan-25 09:04 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1330915935741022299/image.png?ex=6814df0e&is=68138d8e&hm=8821638c1c8f31849379380b7eff161f7884e1174fbf04b192667162dcad68cf& {Reactions} fishahhh [20-Jan-25 09:04 AM] laaxus#0000 ALEEEEERTTTTTTTTTTT [20-Jan-25 09:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 Same here :D [20-Jan-25 09:18 AM] pxlfox.#0000 So many possibilities [20-Jan-25 09:18 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The implementation shown in the post was a bit rough, but already a huge step into the right direction [20-Jan-25 01:10 PM] realharvey#0000 Is this really happening? Me - repairing a ship? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1330977723811889252/image.png?ex=68151899&is=6813c719&hm=50a4f677226717fe84f0727c817da5c8d406eddbe03198fcf1f9fa25e1aee9f6& {Reactions} fishahhh (2) [20-Jan-25 01:12 PM] igfloz#0000 it's not believable !! Did Trump put out an executive order ? [20-Jan-25 02:23 PM] realharvey#0000 No, only @riseoffilth would be able to executive order me to do anything [20-Jan-25 02:25 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/im-your-father-i-command-you-im-your-father-be-loyal-be-true-jerry-stiller-gif-15122869 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/im-your-father-i-command-you-im-your-father-be-loyal-be-true-jerry-stiller-gif-15122869 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/MA28DZtXBGLhxCrtKTkixsY3IarcgLcJdgAXw-QRIaU/https/media.tenor.com/EGoRyL2Ff4sAAAAe/im-your-father-i-command-you-im-your-father.png [20-Jan-25 02:32 PM] realharvey#0000 Aye aye! [20-Jan-25 10:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 woah [20-Jan-25 10:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 my year mark came and went [20-Jan-25 10:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 like a week ago [20-Jan-25 10:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol [20-Jan-25 10:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I'll make sure to properly celebrate one year of Friendly Metals tho [20-Jan-25 10:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 13 more days {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (4) [20-Jan-25 10:34 PM] jcheung#0000 Ooh. Multi item conts in the works [20-Jan-25 10:35 PM] jcheung#0000 ....kinda looks like... not great {Reactions} fishahhh [20-Jan-25 10:35 PM] jcheung#0000 But it's a step forward? [20-Jan-25 10:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 imma try it out [20-Jan-25 10:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but how does a give away of 3650 HAL sound? as a FM 1 yr special [20-Jan-25 10:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 is it in the test server? [20-Jan-25 10:42 PM] jcheung#0000 No clue [20-Jan-25 10:42 PM] jcheung#0000 Just saw the announcement [20-Jan-25 10:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i will check [20-Jan-25 10:43 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1331121904614117436/image1.gif?ex=6814f621&is=6813a4a1&hm=2a43d9d8a4c52b9ca0b43566443c7558ecf774c74b6d3e7d16569646b4cfefeb& [20-Jan-25 10:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah I dont think its on the test server yet [21-Jan-25 01:54 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1331351184082206791/image.png?ex=68147a29&is=681328a9&hm=86a56c41a7bdbe00fab4d349fd9d60bd37f22a0b1721abb8baac4b1d7daa40be& [21-Jan-25 01:54 PM] laaxus#0000 This guy bought my entire 24k stock of SFK [21-Jan-25 01:54 PM] laaxus#0000 just to sell it higher [21-Jan-25 01:54 PM] laaxus#0000 now i'm mad [21-Jan-25 01:55 PM] flor2081#0000 buy it out and sell it even higher [21-Jan-25 01:55 PM] flor2081#0000 or lower just cause why not [21-Jan-25 01:56 PM] laaxus#0000 My plan was to buy the entire stock at moria [21-Jan-25 01:56 PM] laaxus#0000 and import it [21-Jan-25 01:56 PM] laaxus#0000 but they don't produce enough [21-Jan-25 05:18 PM] tanda#0000 How much of a given market do you guys think would need to be produced to move the needle down on it? [21-Jan-25 05:19 PM] tanda#0000 is 20% additional production of a given market's volume enough to lead to a gradual price drop? [21-Jan-25 05:25 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™d think so - it kinda depends on what youโ€™re making [21-Jan-25 05:26 PM] jcheung#0000 120% rat? Probably not. 120% hse? Probably. [21-Jan-25 05:26 PM] sidepipe#0000 120% BWS? Absolutely (not that I would know ๐Ÿ˜…) [21-Jan-25 05:27 PM] tanda#0000 I'm trying to see how much a CULT RAT project would need to target for production in order to actually have an influence [21-Jan-25 05:27 PM] tanda#0000 It looks like we're currently running a 6k per day RAT production deficit on the CX [21-Jan-25 05:28 PM] jcheung#0000 I see [21-Jan-25 05:29 PM] jcheung#0000 Meanwhile i was thinking about trying to see how complicated hiting a bunch of newbies to make RAT materials would be (basically rise, but much much weaker) [21-Jan-25 05:30 PM] tanda#0000 Honestly I think if you use Thalassa, a single 2k/2k could service the supply chain for up to 3 FP bases [21-Jan-25 05:30 PM] jcheung#0000 Also what time frame you looking at? Just 1 week? [21-Jan-25 05:30 PM] tanda#0000 since October. Prun planner's market exploration puts at a supply/demand deficit delta of 450k over the last 90 days [21-Jan-25 05:31 PM] jcheung#0000 Oh, nice. Has there been overall growth in consumption or has that been steady [21-Jan-25 05:32 PM] tanda#0000 seems pretty steady. Looks a bit like we lost a couple smaller suppliers with the Holidays and have yet to pick up replacements [21-Jan-25 05:32 PM] jcheung#0000 (Also what's the deficit on INS like?) [21-Jan-25 05:33 PM] tanda#0000 we are positive 256k s/d delta over the last 90 days, and have been in the green constantly since the end of November [21-Jan-25 05:33 PM] tanda#0000 https://prunplanner.org/tools/market {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/tools/market PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [21-Jan-25 05:33 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1331406439578865795/image.png?ex=6814ad9f&is=68135c1f&hm=662bd79ffdaf7d9958f6c4f855655b7af16c2c40076d8180d23910ce0fa33d31& [21-Jan-25 05:34 PM] tanda#0000 other markets have some fluctuation, or are holding steady. allocater has been keeping some of the glut off of AI1 by moving INS around [21-Jan-25 05:35 PM] jcheung#0000 Can you see universe? [21-Jan-25 05:35 PM] sidepipe#0000 I mean, 3 FP bases would still be profitable even if the project doesnโ€™t fix the shortfall on its own {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [21-Jan-25 05:35 PM] jcheung#0000 Haven't messed with that tool [21-Jan-25 05:36 PM] tanda#0000 I took a look at the other major CX's. HRT and MOR are fine ( I know some INS is getting imported to those markets). BEN is seeing some shortfall, so allocater will probably move some there soon [21-Jan-25 05:37 PM] tanda#0000 but they don't have steadily climbing s/d delta's either [21-Jan-25 05:38 PM] jcheung#0000 Was your 6k/d metric for the whole universe or just ant [21-Jan-25 05:38 PM] tanda#0000 Yeah, and I'm planning on having a bunch of the pipeline in project as well. NS, and H2O in particular I want to source for any project {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [21-Jan-25 05:38 PM] tanda#0000 just ANT [21-Jan-25 05:39 PM] tanda#0000 MOR is fine somehow, HRT is 250k in deficit, and BEN is 220k in deficit [21-Jan-25 05:39 PM] tanda#0000 so ANT is the sore spot it seems [21-Jan-25 05:39 PM] tanda#0000 HRT is likely in deficit due to MOR's demand [21-Jan-25 05:43 PM] tanda#0000 if we sum everything together and then slap an additional 20% on top, we're looking at a production target of 12k per day [21-Jan-25 05:53 PM] jcheung#0000 How many bases is that [21-Jan-25 05:54 PM] tanda#0000 FP bases? 7. I'm running numbers through PRUN planner for total project impact [21-Jan-25 06:01 PM] jcheung#0000 Hrm [21-Jan-25 06:01 PM] jcheung#0000 That's a lot of support bases [21-Jan-25 06:01 PM] tanda#0000 for 12k production: 7 FP, 5 HYF, 3 H2O, 2 hybrid NS production bases [21-Jan-25 06:01 PM] jcheung#0000 Tbh i wonder if this should be done in west antares [21-Jan-25 06:01 PM] tanda#0000 for 7.2k production for local market: 5 FP, 4 HYF, 3 H2O, 1 NS [21-Jan-25 06:02 PM] jcheung#0000 Is hyf the best option available? [21-Jan-25 06:02 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, it takes about 20 FRM bases to hit the production numbers needed [21-Jan-25 06:03 PM] jcheung#0000 Fk [21-Jan-25 06:03 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, FRMs are just not up to it. [21-Jan-25 06:04 PM] tanda#0000 There might be a way to hybrid production that is more efficient than pure HYF, but Harmonia is also 4 jumps away, and these bases will eat a shipload of imports in about 2 days [21-Jan-25 06:05 PM] jcheung#0000 I'll take a gander and see if i have anything to add. What recipe? [21-Jan-25 06:05 PM] tanda#0000 recipes used for this comparison was BEA/GRN/NUT for FRM and ALG/MAI/VEG for HYF [21-Jan-25 06:56 PM] tanda#0000 Okay, we'll need to reconsider the initial scope of the project {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1331427357646393395/image.png?ex=6814c11a&is=68136f9a&hm=bf92cedbb0b7d2bd468da3feeeab626fdd5a69e9c0acc1a261ac2b100581b095& [21-Jan-25 06:57 PM] sidepipe#0000 For financing or # of bases? ๐Ÿ˜„ [21-Jan-25 06:59 PM] tanda#0000 for financing specifically. If project members were willing to take on more than 1 base, the number of project members drops dramatically [21-Jan-25 06:59 PM] sidepipe#0000 Hmmm [21-Jan-25 07:00 PM] jcheung#0000 number of bases should be a concern too [21-Jan-25 07:00 PM] jcheung#0000 now that i'm home let's see what i see here [21-Jan-25 07:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 I could totally do 40M of loans (maybe with some negligible interest) [21-Jan-25 07:00 PM] tanda#0000 against your own interests? lol [21-Jan-25 07:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 RAT are my main product but not my main source of income ๐Ÿ˜… [21-Jan-25 07:03 PM] manhim#0000 I was already looking into an HYF base, 1 more FP base and probably an H2O base. [21-Jan-25 07:03 PM] manhim#0000 Might need more ships though ๐Ÿค” [21-Jan-25 07:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 Ships might be harder, seems like everyone is low on stock [21-Jan-25 07:06 PM] manhim#0000 Yeah, these bases will break my brand new ship, gonna need 1 more ship before doing that expansion [21-Jan-25 07:08 PM] tanda#0000 I have a freeish 2k/2k that was bought for that system [21-Jan-25 07:09 PM] tanda#0000 I also have both HYF and FP bases out there (but the problem is moving those bases over doesn't increase the total number of RATs being made) [21-Jan-25 07:46 PM] jcheung#0000 oops, got distracted arguing with people on the internet [21-Jan-25 07:47 PM] tanda#0000 aww, but we were arguing/debating [21-Jan-25 07:52 PM] jcheung#0000 yes, but i was arguing about google sheets with someone [22-Jan-25 07:03 AM] laaxus#0000 can we steal promitor [22-Jan-25 07:03 AM] laaxus#0000 and bring it back to zv-307 [22-Jan-25 07:03 AM] tanda#0000 Lol no. We got agri hard mode here [22-Jan-25 07:04 AM] laaxus#0000 imagine all the new member of the adi we would get [22-Jan-25 07:04 AM] tanda#0000 Though like jcheung was saying, it might be worth looking at doing something like this in BEN or HRT [22-Jan-25 07:19 AM] pagy1234#0000 we can take planets? [22-Jan-25 07:25 AM] laaxus#0000 unfortunately not [22-Jan-25 07:27 AM] realharvey#0000 We should be able to move planets. Slap 102939388 Ships with a tow onto the planet and pull it over to antares [22-Jan-25 07:53 AM] flor2081#0000 just have to wait until they add terraforming [22-Jan-25 07:53 AM] flor2081#0000 maybe that'll even happen within this decade ๐Ÿค” [22-Jan-25 11:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 No ships needed, just a few big thrustersโ€ฆ [22-Jan-25 11:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Remembers me at Planetary Annihilation, the game xD [23-Jan-25 08:06 AM] brelov#0000 No need for thrusters just sling a small black hole past the system and it'll drag everything along in a new orbit [23-Jan-25 08:54 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1332000461116674079/image.png?ex=6814dc99&is=68138b19&hm=5458b3a634c7f431f37fcad5d789de774210adc29bb20e7cb035e8c4a98ebb6f& [23-Jan-25 08:54 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/toad-hype-overload-overload-gif-7868864 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/toad-hype-overload-overload-gif-7868864 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/qmhBFRnO6hIlsq075cS3DyPwXgihmuRJsx8ZSAROGY0/https/media.tenor.com/JYbtda1d1qoAAAAe/toad-hype-overload.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [23-Jan-25 09:59 AM] laaxus#0000 My hq is now lvl 15 {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ [23-Jan-25 10:00 AM] laaxus#0000 Time to build that pp4 base [23-Jan-25 12:51 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 https://tenor.com/view/vince-vince-mcmahon-gif-20562072 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/vince-vince-mcmahon-gif-20562072 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/IkTK9z7qSHvva2Ifd6fu0fDdp25x8JA2pIPJaFVVNdM/https/media.tenor.com/Vr5oMNMnNJIAAAAe/vince-vince-mcmahon.png [23-Jan-25 08:20 PM] pagy1234#0000 with rising costs of H2O and falling DW price, what are some things I should do to save money? [23-Jan-25 08:45 PM] tanda#0000 DW isn't dropping much if at all, and H2O has been stuck at Zipatsu's 1mil sell order for a minute, lol. You have time. Best option is to start planning out your next base {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ โœŒ๏ธ [23-Jan-25 11:40 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah idk, but im just not gaining as much as I should be, already up to 15 FP's so just about 1400DW a day, but all those earnings fall into a black hole somewhere I swear [23-Jan-25 11:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah thatโ€™s my earnings too {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [23-Jan-25 11:56 PM] jvaler#0000 that money might be going into growing your buffers to a more comfortable size? [23-Jan-25 11:58 PM] pagy1234#0000 All my consumables have been full for a bit, just the occasional top up [24-Jan-25 12:00 AM] jvaler#0000 i mean like going from 1-3 days worth of stock in the base to 7-10 days worth [24-Jan-25 12:00 AM] jvaler#0000 but maybe you haven't done that so idk [24-Jan-25 01:00 AM] .urpalhal#0000 To be honest Iโ€™m not really even sure how I get money [24-Jan-25 01:00 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Bc it doesnโ€™t feel like Iโ€™m selling things on the CX very often [24-Jan-25 01:04 AM] pagy1234#0000 Bro what๐Ÿ˜ญ {Reactions} link_cool [24-Jan-25 01:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 My multi million company runs off vibes:link_cool: [24-Jan-25 01:07 AM] pagy1234#0000 Sounds like the best buisness๐Ÿ˜Ž [24-Jan-25 01:15 AM] .urpalhal#0000 You know it [24-Jan-25 01:29 AM] realharvey#0000 just vibes, but the line goes up somehow [24-Jan-25 01:29 AM] jvaler#0000 i just breached 300mil equity yesterday {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1332250852236202015/image.png?ex=6814744b&is=681322cb&hm=5f6c04e1ba14766d37c8c29d3a66b6b57163c89a19f1c956e984313a4ecb77c6& [24-Jan-25 01:29 AM] jvaler#0000 feels weird [24-Jan-25 01:29 AM] realharvey#0000 how do you not have the big PMMG to refined prun bump in there? [24-Jan-25 01:30 AM] jvaler#0000 i do, it's right here {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1332251183821230173/image.png?ex=6814749a&is=6813231a&hm=3d841a3e13b5340522984796cceaeb36804d849ddd02a07e65c32496730deea1& [24-Jan-25 01:31 AM] realharvey#0000 thats a wild ride you got there [24-Jan-25 01:31 AM] jvaler#0000 lolol [24-Jan-25 01:31 AM] realharvey#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1332251479448354816/image.png?ex=681474e0&is=68132360&hm=cdb4cf0df6b05c942d77fda93120801ed9757a2d0f8512065429eba6fabc6983& [24-Jan-25 01:32 AM] jvaler#0000 my profits were apparently stagnating around that time and the graph was spikey. i have no idea why though lmao {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1332251673615400991/image.png?ex=6814750f&is=6813238f&hm=75f1d7d67beec495a91ac477b4c8f18a6249e17033b5c00a6964015bab47442b& [24-Jan-25 01:33 AM] jvaler#0000 sheesh that's a jump. bunch of ships? [24-Jan-25 01:33 AM] jvaler#0000 also wtf why are you bigger than me [24-Jan-25 01:33 AM] realharvey#0000 I have 16 Ships. Not sure how many it where around that time [24-Jan-25 01:35 AM] realharvey#0000 Mostly Aluminium Alliance Cooperations. Also another 2 Base Cooperation with Xflqr. [24-Jan-25 01:36 AM] jvaler#0000 i'm in CAAP and AFC too that doesn't make sense... [24-Jan-25 01:37 AM] jvaler#0000 oh wait, it's probably cause you kept expanding while i sat on permits for months lmfao {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1332252889854382111/image.png?ex=68147631&is=681324b1&hm=da8e983ee830e8ac59b95369f378755cd64f42a2c33061ed12ac1065f7ab4a8e& [24-Jan-25 01:37 AM] realharvey#0000 Yeah that might be it. I've rarely had sitting capital [24-Jan-25 01:38 AM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฌ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1332253240179560509/image.png?ex=68147684&is=68132504&hm=992e2a7b7f168da89f9cfe2459ad5913dbaaa075aadf97419598f53c7fa471e4& [24-Jan-25 01:39 AM] realharvey#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1332253428809994291/image.png?ex=681476b1&is=68132531&hm=d03f3cc22099578020ac6f90178409c9b54fee75ba5aa51d93ff4d7a153c914c& [24-Jan-25 01:40 AM] realharvey#0000 I already have 3 more Ships ordered and am waiting to repurpose 2 bases. Which is why I have some cash sitting around [24-Jan-25 01:43 AM] jvaler#0000 i've also got a load of afabs sitting around waiting for gateways lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1332254391516008448/image.png?ex=68147797&is=68132617&hm=c8c2a69ebd2b02b1c641203522fc60f60a1c86e3279e78534fe6168ff8d69b65& [24-Jan-25 01:43 AM] realharvey#0000 its not in your inventory anymore right? [24-Jan-25 01:43 AM] realharvey#0000 So there is you networth [24-Jan-25 01:43 AM] jvaler#0000 no it is [24-Jan-25 01:44 AM] realharvey#0000 oh [24-Jan-25 01:44 AM] jvaler#0000 i think everybody's waiting for release before doing that {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1332254782315823104/image.png?ex=681477f4&is=68132674&hm=039e3ba77eb71342507382585867fe803a1ebb4385f9312d21bfcef8378144dc& [24-Jan-25 01:45 AM] realharvey#0000 how did your total grow so much in the timeframe? [24-Jan-25 01:46 AM] jvaler#0000 looks like it was mostly inventory [24-Jan-25 01:46 AM] jvaler#0000 might have been CAAP payout, it was delayed for a while so it built up a bit [24-Jan-25 01:46 AM] realharvey#0000 I had the same tho [24-Jan-25 01:47 AM] jvaler#0000 maybe cause you've got 2 shares i have 4? idk... [24-Jan-25 01:48 AM] realharvey#0000 yeah that might be it. I have 4 permits next permit aswell, so I can catch up with you in terms of afabs :D [24-Jan-25 01:48 AM] jvaler#0000 you've got 4 free permits?? o.O [24-Jan-25 01:48 AM] realharvey#0000 nooo [24-Jan-25 01:48 AM] realharvey#0000 I have 4 permits in caap now [24-Jan-25 01:48 AM] jvaler#0000 ohhh [24-Jan-25 01:49 AM] jvaler#0000 that's right there was reorganizing lately [24-Jan-25 01:49 AM] realharvey#0000 I had 1 free permit and added one of my chembases [24-Jan-25 01:55 AM] realharvey#0000 it's good that we still keep steadily growing. We can comfortable still give grants and help players by buying their stock to give them liquidity [24-Jan-25 01:58 AM] jvaler#0000 i don't buy anything from the internal market lmao... :x [24-Jan-25 01:58 AM] jvaler#0000 maybe i should [24-Jan-25 01:58 AM] realharvey#0000 I only do if someone is looking for a buyer or has too much stock [24-Jan-25 01:59 AM] realharvey#0000 and if its too good of a deal I overpay [24-Jan-25 01:59 AM] jvaler#0000 i don't see that very often ๐Ÿง [24-Jan-25 02:00 AM] realharvey#0000 I bought KOM from you when you where complaining about too much stock ๐Ÿ˜‚ [24-Jan-25 02:00 AM] realharvey#0000 been a while tho [24-Jan-25 02:00 AM] jvaler#0000 oh lmao [24-Jan-25 02:00 AM] jvaler#0000 oh yeah i remember now [24-Jan-25 02:00 AM] jvaler#0000 probably won't happen again anytime soon, i'm set on liquidity lmao [24-Jan-25 02:01 AM] realharvey#0000 for now [24-Jan-25 02:01 AM] jvaler#0000 i'm too demoralized to expand again ;_; [24-Jan-25 02:02 AM] realharvey#0000 why? Lack of ships? [24-Jan-25 02:02 AM] realharvey#0000 or too much to manage? [24-Jan-25 02:02 AM] jvaler#0000 kinda the latter [24-Jan-25 02:02 AM] jvaler#0000 i run some bases i don't really care about [24-Jan-25 02:02 AM] jvaler#0000 so i'm gonna try and shut them down [24-Jan-25 02:03 AM] jvaler#0000 but they're either lent out or part of co-op obligations [24-Jan-25 02:03 AM] realharvey#0000 I did a lot of restructuring aswell lately. I had 4 smelting bases. Annoying to manage [24-Jan-25 02:03 AM] jvaler#0000 yeah i'm shutting down vulcan lmao [24-Jan-25 02:04 AM] jvaler#0000 no more BGO shipping [24-Jan-25 02:04 AM] realharvey#0000 I keep reducing my shipping needs but I still keep buying ships. Something is off ๐Ÿ‘€ [24-Jan-25 02:04 AM] jvaler#0000 lmfao [24-Jan-25 02:04 AM] jvaler#0000 when i buy ships it just makes me procrastinate sending them out for longer ๐Ÿ˜ญ [24-Jan-25 02:04 AM] realharvey#0000 once the Update hits and its possible to build a bigger ship I'll try to get a hold of one [24-Jan-25 02:05 AM] realharvey#0000 Can confirm. This is what happens [24-Jan-25 04:39 AM] magican1980#0000 1 HYF and 1 FP Planet for Rations will go online end of next week for Antares supply [24-Jan-25 05:53 AM] saltymaggot#0000 Is there in-game way or some tool to chek Local Markets at popular planets? [24-Jan-25 05:54 AM] tanda#0000 LM [planet id] in a new buffer {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [24-Jan-25 05:55 AM] saltymaggot#0000 Any way to check which planets might have some ads up? Or just manually going over some popular names? [24-Jan-25 05:56 AM] tanda#0000 The latter {Reactions} โ˜น๏ธ [24-Jan-25 05:57 AM] saltymaggot#0000 Thanks [24-Jan-25 08:12 AM] evany.#0000 What dammit I need bgo ! [24-Jan-25 08:23 AM] jvaler#0000 ask rise for a bite of their stockpile then =P [24-Jan-25 11:06 AM] pagy1234#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1282880216217161729/1332396107384225944 [24-Jan-25 11:06 AM] pagy1234#0000 @realharvey [24-Jan-25 11:06 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah fair point [24-Jan-25 11:07 AM] pagy1234#0000 didnt think of that [24-Jan-25 11:09 AM] laaxus#0000 I hope you understand why I heavily suggested to keep a money buffer [24-Jan-25 11:09 AM] laaxus#0000 @pagy1234 [24-Jan-25 11:09 AM] laaxus#0000 I heavily recommend a FRM base as your second [24-Jan-25 11:09 AM] laaxus#0000 it is the cheapest base possible [24-Jan-25 11:10 AM] laaxus#0000 and have a very good roi [24-Jan-25 11:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah absolutely, I always try to keep 300k in cash at all times [24-Jan-25 11:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 lol, yeah thats a big bonus [24-Jan-25 11:10 AM] realharvey#0000 at your stage you dont need that much cash sitting around [24-Jan-25 11:10 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah, I'd say that 100k is enough [24-Jan-25 11:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 bruh, 100k is my daily spending on H2O [24-Jan-25 11:11 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah but you sell your production right away [24-Jan-25 11:11 AM] realharvey#0000 unless you sell to sell orders [24-Jan-25 11:12 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah idk, i feel way more comfortable knowing I can afford 2-3 days of stuff since it does happen that my ships get delayed [24-Jan-25 11:12 AM] pagy1234#0000 (by me not pressing depart before going to sleep or smt) [24-Jan-25 11:12 AM] pagy1234#0000 wdym? [24-Jan-25 11:13 AM] pagy1234#0000 what do you recomend I should produce? [24-Jan-25 11:13 AM] realharvey#0000 something RATional maybe [24-Jan-25 11:13 AM] pagy1234#0000 doesnt nessessarily have to be best profit, as long as theres a need for it [24-Jan-25 11:13 AM] pagy1234#0000 lol ok [24-Jan-25 11:14 AM] pagy1234#0000 make some plants at harmonia and ship to norwick for processing ig would be the plan [24-Jan-25 11:14 AM] realharvey#0000 yep [24-Jan-25 11:15 AM] laaxus#0000 Depends how risky you wanna be ๐Ÿ˜„ Rat is low risk medium reward HER is medium high risk, high reward [24-Jan-25 11:15 AM] sidepipe#0000 @pagy1234 do you still have free space on Norwick for more FPs, or is it all full? [24-Jan-25 11:15 AM] pagy1234#0000 still space [24-Jan-25 11:15 AM] laaxus#0000 I honestly would recommend starting with her [24-Jan-25 11:15 AM] laaxus#0000 then switch if it stops being that profitable [24-Jan-25 11:15 AM] sidepipe#0000 If youโ€™re interested, I have a stockpile of materials that I need someone to chew through to make RATs [24-Jan-25 11:15 AM] pagy1234#0000 I mean, i dont mind taking a little risk since i can just cancel production and swap to RAT [24-Jan-25 11:15 AM] laaxus#0000 HER ROI is twice higher than the other recipes, atm [24-Jan-25 11:16 AM] laaxus#0000 like, HER roi is like, 5 days ? [24-Jan-25 11:16 AM] pagy1234#0000 I assume il be buying them from you? [24-Jan-25 11:16 AM] pagy1234#0000 damn, thats pretty neat, il do some checking on PUP [24-Jan-25 11:16 AM] sidepipe#0000 Either that or I can pay you for processing and setting up some FPs and I can pick up the RATs [24-Jan-25 11:17 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ll have to take a look at what all I have, and it wouldnโ€™t be long term because I just need to get rid of this surplus, but just wanted to throw it out there as an option [24-Jan-25 11:18 AM] pagy1234#0000 I think il buy them, il make maybe 2 more FP's for it and turn 2 of my currently DW FP's to RAT, then just process the stock slowly [24-Jan-25 11:18 AM] pagy1234#0000 how much are you sitting on rn? [24-Jan-25 11:19 AM] laaxus#0000 honestly, Take a loan from jvalier Buy Sidepipe entire stock Process the stock and sell the rat Profit [24-Jan-25 11:20 AM] sidepipe#0000 Like 4000 veg and 6000 alg, but Iโ€™ll have to take stock at all of my bases, and Iโ€™ll probably keep some for emergencies ๐Ÿ˜„ [24-Jan-25 11:20 AM] pagy1234#0000 dayum, wait lemme see what i can do with that [24-Jan-25 11:20 AM] sidepipe#0000 Youโ€™d need a third plant, and I may or may not have MUS around [24-Jan-25 11:20 AM] pagy1234#0000 im already 1.2 mil in debt to the guy ๐Ÿ˜ญ [24-Jan-25 11:20 AM] laaxus#0000 rookie numbers [24-Jan-25 11:21 AM] laaxus#0000 KEKW [24-Jan-25 11:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 lmao [24-Jan-25 11:21 AM] sidepipe#0000 You can take a loan from me ๐Ÿ˜› [24-Jan-25 11:21 AM] laaxus#0000 loans are not the only way [24-Jan-25 11:21 AM] laaxus#0000 Sidepipe could jsut delay payment by 30 days [24-Jan-25 11:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 that would probably work [24-Jan-25 11:21 AM] sidepipe#0000 But seriously, let me take a look at what all I have when Iโ€™m back at my PC and Iโ€™ll let you know whatโ€™s available [24-Jan-25 11:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 cannot, pro is gone by then [24-Jan-25 11:21 AM] sidepipe#0000 I do offer credit ๐Ÿ˜ [24-Jan-25 11:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, thanks [24-Jan-25 11:22 AM] laaxus#0000 and you should look into the third plant, I know MAI market is rough right now [24-Jan-25 11:22 AM] sidepipe#0000 I think MAI or MUS would work [24-Jan-25 11:22 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m switching from FRMs to HYF, hence the surplus of weird stuff [24-Jan-25 11:23 AM] laaxus#0000 honestly, I don't know how underage you are, but you should consider buying at least one month of pro to get basic for life This would allow you to accept contract, even if you can't send them [24-Jan-25 11:24 AM] laaxus#0000 One can pay pro with paysafecards which you can buy in store with cash {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1332400598846279681/image.png?ex=6814ffc1&is=6813ae41&hm=672df0e020380ae4753f9d1ac481421b2b16d25c25a85c83f6f79b1ba4929f20& [24-Jan-25 11:24 AM] laaxus#0000 (I don't know your situation, I'm just saying that when I was underage, that's how I made my online payments) [24-Jan-25 11:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 its not about not having a card, its that my parents wont let me spend much on videogames [24-Jan-25 11:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 so cash or not they probably wont allow [24-Jan-25 11:26 AM] laaxus#0000 I see [24-Jan-25 11:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 il see if I can convincee them to let me use a little of my "allowance" [24-Jan-25 11:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 I havent seen a dollar of the supposedly massive sum im not allowed to touch [24-Jan-25 11:27 AM] laaxus#0000 I don't know where you are located But a one time 8โ‚ฌ is all you'd need [24-Jan-25 11:27 AM] laaxus#0000 however [24-Jan-25 11:27 AM] laaxus#0000 before paying [24-Jan-25 11:27 AM] laaxus#0000 wait 3 months of gameplau [24-Jan-25 11:27 AM] laaxus#0000 to be sure you really like it [24-Jan-25 11:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 I still have 20 days of pro [24-Jan-25 11:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 il probably decide by then [24-Jan-25 11:28 AM] laaxus#0000 Honestly, I never liked the game more than now that I have multiple base to manage [24-Jan-25 11:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 I think id be the same way [24-Jan-25 11:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 im always looking for something to do [24-Jan-25 11:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 so more bases could give me that [24-Jan-25 11:40 AM] pagy1234#0000 MUS doesnt work, unless I missed the recipe [24-Jan-25 11:40 AM] pagy1234#0000 and according to PUP the roi on grain instead of MAI is better [24-Jan-25 11:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 5.7d vs 6d [24-Jan-25 11:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 nvm, completely negligable, 500 aic a day difference [24-Jan-25 11:43 AM] jvaler#0000 iirc GRN, BEA, VEG is the best FRM-only RAT recipe [24-Jan-25 11:43 AM] jvaler#0000 cause GRN & BEA grow the fastest [24-Jan-25 11:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 i think thats right, but I dont have GRN or BEA [24-Jan-25 11:44 AM] jvaler#0000 i thought we were talking about a hypothetical harmonia FRM base [24-Jan-25 11:44 AM] pagy1234#0000 ahh [24-Jan-25 11:44 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah wait lemme link context [24-Jan-25 11:44 AM] pagy1234#0000 ^ [24-Jan-25 11:45 AM] jvaler#0000 oh i see [24-Jan-25 11:45 AM] jvaler#0000 yeah ALG is good for RAT [24-Jan-25 11:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 il work towards making that 3rd ingredient for the RAT, but probably for some time il be buying it [24-Jan-25 12:27 PM] pagy1234#0000 yo, once you have your final numbers, il offer you a price for them, just need to know how much im getting first :D {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [24-Jan-25 01:55 PM] jcheung#0000 I think, but am not certain, that you can pay on existing conts? [24-Jan-25 02:49 PM] bookliko#0000 You can check for shipments here tough: https://fio.fnar.net/shipmentfinder [24-Jan-25 02:53 PM] freeloader4#0000 @sidepipe I was going to switch to RAT production on Norwick soon, where do you have your stock? [25-Jan-25 05:04 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah I clearly just didnt wait for my sell orders to go through๐Ÿ˜› [25-Jan-25 05:04 AM] pagy1234#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1332667340961349673/Screenshot_2025-01-25_at_7.02.57_PM.png?ex=6814a6ad&is=6813552d&hm=ea656e04a0c284c5acf2595966b6779d574a05417d0448b08ac133e45602b411& [25-Jan-25 05:04 AM] pagy1234#0000 :D [25-Jan-25 05:05 AM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™€๏ธ lolol [25-Jan-25 05:06 AM] pagy1234#0000 now i feel rich [25-Jan-25 05:07 AM] pagy1234#0000 probably wont last long tho [25-Jan-25 10:40 AM] pagy1234#0000 @sidepipe , sent you a dm a couple hours ago, just checking in incase you missed it. discord still has not made it any easier to see message requests unfortunatly. [25-Jan-25 02:37 PM] tanda#0000 Finally getting close to being done repairing bases {Reactions} fishahhh ๐ŸŽ‰ [25-Jan-25 04:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I'm close too! [25-Jan-25 04:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 some of mine were bad [25-Jan-25 04:40 PM] sidepipe#0000 I finally put XIT repair on my main screen, so I'm starting to get there as well [25-Jan-25 04:40 PM] sidepipe#0000 some of my bases are at 50% or lower ๐Ÿ™ƒ [25-Jan-25 04:41 PM] tanda#0000 oh no [25-Jan-25 04:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Some? ๐Ÿ‘€ most of mine were [25-Jan-25 04:49 PM] igfloz#0000 xit repairs and bra are invaluable to me............. but I still end up with a repair queue as I've put it on a screen that I "sometime" look at ๐Ÿ™„ [25-Jan-25 04:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Hey thatโ€™s what I did ๐Ÿ˜‚ [25-Jan-25 04:51 PM] igfloz#0000 I really need to rationalise my screens [25-Jan-25 05:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I only look at the ones that have my bases and inventories and such on them [25-Jan-25 09:42 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1332918634049437780/image.png?ex=6814e7f6&is=68139676&hm=712b0d73c409bf877d59972d92fa45a68b5b6a75f5d5f24ec53ac63650cc8f9e& [25-Jan-25 09:42 PM] tanda#0000 Hmm [25-Jan-25 09:57 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1332922333945532508/image.png?ex=6814eb68&is=681399e8&hm=9d025d1bf4cefb008713bdd8215cac662ff9974813bbd2ec5d9c53b53d46d4c2& [25-Jan-25 09:57 PM] tanda#0000 Better [25-Jan-25 11:48 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1332950240579551314/image.png?ex=68150566&is=6813b3e6&hm=0b9e0f0ae3b0e4d9f0e225cdb64beba43780252f063962d1329dd9523edc9c84& [25-Jan-25 11:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Both of you are heretics [25-Jan-25 11:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Thatโ€™s a lot of fake money I see [25-Jan-25 11:50 PM] jcheung#0000 i need to restock on ICA [25-Jan-25 11:51 PM] tanda#0000 hey, I have had to bridge out. My wares are numerous [25-Jan-25 11:51 PM] tanda#0000 Khajit has had to go find more coin for his wares [25-Jan-25 11:51 PM] tanda#0000 https://tenor.com/view/khajit-elder-scrolls-skyrim-gif-13407883883396268014 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/khajit-elder-scrolls-skyrim-gif-13407883883396268014 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/7PjkQvb_5KUVjzEiZjggDo7_X9K0oLOX9OYk3e0bt7Y/https/media.tenor.com/uhJfWpuE_-4AAAAe/khajit-elder-scrolls.png [25-Jan-25 11:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Bring me skooma and I can forgive [25-Jan-25 11:52 PM] tanda#0000 also CIS is just mandatory at this point: I regularly have to buy out the BE market there {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [25-Jan-25 11:53 PM] jcheung#0000 you don't want to dip into rise's 10k BE for 10k/u? ๐Ÿ˜‚ [25-Jan-25 11:53 PM] tanda#0000 absolutely not [25-Jan-25 11:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Thatโ€™s some pricy BE [26-Jan-25 03:14 PM] tanda#0000 extremely tempted to flip my Phobos FPs over to FIM for a bit [26-Jan-25 03:15 PM] laaxus#0000 If you Can, Do it, if only for the 3k bid [26-Jan-25 03:15 PM] tanda#0000 I've got about 1.3k HER sitting on Harmonia right now [26-Jan-25 03:16 PM] laaxus#0000 What do you plan to do with this her if not fim ? [26-Jan-25 03:16 PM] laaxus#0000 Do it [26-Jan-25 03:16 PM] jvaler#0000 KOM KOM [26-Jan-25 03:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 KOM [26-Jan-25 03:17 PM] tanda#0000 see, I have the infrastructure for FIM, I don't have FER's anywhere {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜” [26-Jan-25 03:17 PM] laaxus#0000 FIM has higher roi than DW And requires much less shipping [26-Jan-25 03:17 PM] tanda#0000 also: bad monopolist, you're not supposed to encourage competition [26-Jan-25 03:17 PM] laaxus#0000 Is KOM that profitable or are you guys just KOM enthusiasts [26-Jan-25 03:18 PM] jvaler#0000 funny red item [26-Jan-25 03:18 PM] jvaler#0000 last i checked it was pretty good, but i barely ever sell to the CX so i don't pay that much attention to it [26-Jan-25 03:18 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, KOM is losing money right now [26-Jan-25 03:18 PM] tanda#0000 most likely due to DW and HER prices being driven up by FIM [26-Jan-25 03:19 PM] tanda#0000 yeah hang on, CX is mucking with HER prices [26-Jan-25 03:20 PM] tanda#0000 nevermind. You're bleeding money by making KOM right now [26-Jan-25 03:21 PM] jvaler#0000 KOM is priced pretty good i thought [26-Jan-25 03:21 PM] jvaler#0000 ~800/u [26-Jan-25 03:21 PM] jvaler#0000 oh it's the HER that's up lately {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1333185039424421918/image.png?ex=68148e92&is=68133d12&hm=219af56af3bb432a4e9c1f00e9587a07f8cebdef0ae58ac9f0eb245ae3b0b099& [26-Jan-25 03:21 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, but your inputs are insane atm [26-Jan-25 03:21 PM] jvaler#0000 interesting [26-Jan-25 03:21 PM] tanda#0000 HER is hovering around 4k, DW is well, DW [26-Jan-25 03:23 PM] jvaler#0000 ngl i think the DW complaints have been overblown. it's only up like 30% {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1333185601142390804/image.png?ex=68148f18&is=68133d98&hm=307a1bd108807c7cdfe7eb0c5f82763d676b84390a25281917fe227e35b4ddb5& [26-Jan-25 03:23 PM] tanda#0000 I had wondered why PRUN planner was saying Harmonia was making 112k per day right now [26-Jan-25 03:24 PM] tanda#0000 I would agree with you, but any Tier 1 base that can turn 100k+/day is producing something that is overpriced [26-Jan-25 03:24 PM] tanda#0000 and DW still makes about 120k per day right now [26-Jan-25 03:26 PM] jvaler#0000 that's true, but it's not really an issue for the people buying DW imo [26-Jan-25 03:27 PM] tanda#0000 speaking of water, that 1mil SELL order of Zipatsu's is starting to look threadbare. Anybody heard from them lately? {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [26-Jan-25 03:27 PM] jvaler#0000 they posted a message in the official server a few days ago iirc [26-Jan-25 03:27 PM] jvaler#0000 but u can ping them here to ask [26-Jan-25 03:28 PM] tanda#0000 I think I just answered my own question: They're trying to fight back down the other markets where it's already broken through [26-Jan-25 03:31 PM] jvaler#0000 inch resting [26-Jan-25 03:37 PM] jcheung#0000 foot rest [26-Jan-25 03:38 PM] igfloz#0000 you'd need 12 inch restings to make 1 foot rest ๐Ÿ˜› [26-Jan-25 08:21 PM] zipatsu#0000 โœŒ๏ธ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1333260653154013306/UnderPressure.png?ex=6814d4fe&is=6813837e&hm=71b39626f9ae096f179ce90df9d9dc9e024168313d88945ad7034bb3e3f2a0c2& [26-Jan-25 08:22 PM] tanda#0000 half a mil in a week? holy crap [26-Jan-25 08:53 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bOsE4.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/cr-curiositly-table-cool-gif-24380564 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/0E8ibs8uzVbleWZDmo5kQJLrF5zYO_Q4qxw64I2kpPY/https/media.tenor.com/leSz7IkwphsAAAAe/cr-curiositly.png [26-Jan-25 09:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Do people mine SIO on norwick? [26-Jan-25 09:09 PM] jcheung#0000 at some point, apparently yes. i also apparently at some point deleted the LM history {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1333272631746494534/image.png?ex=6814e026&is=68138ea6&hm=d85d025b5040425ea822c5afb6bef4cbe7bdd9fb1f2448d05597e41283634bd6& [26-Jan-25 09:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Wild [26-Jan-25 09:11 PM] jcheung#0000 it's one of the better SIO spots... for ANT [26-Jan-25 09:11 PM] jcheung#0000 tbh i'd probably be better off just going up to BEN [26-Jan-25 09:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I can just bippity boppity boo it into existence [26-Jan-25 09:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Also like why are SIO and ALO not just everywhere [26-Jan-25 09:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Bc they are like everywhere on earth [26-Jan-25 09:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Silicon Dioxide is earthโ€™s most abundant mineral [26-Jan-25 09:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And is often attached to other things as well in the earth [26-Jan-25 09:16 PM] jcheung#0000 you mean aren't? [26-Jan-25 09:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 SiO2 is everywhere [26-Jan-25 09:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Si and O are the most abundant elements on earth [26-Jan-25 09:17 PM] jcheung#0000 sample size of one [26-Jan-25 09:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes I mean arenโ€™t [26-Jan-25 09:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But O and Si are also among the 10 ten most abundant elements in the universe [26-Jan-25 09:19 PM] jcheung#0000 i mean [26-Jan-25 09:19 PM] jcheung#0000 O also likes to just bind to everything and its mother [26-Jan-25 09:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok yeah but doesnโ€™t change that Si is still top 10 [26-Jan-25 09:20 PM] jcheung#0000 i can kinda understand Si not being on GGs at least ๐Ÿ‘€ [26-Jan-25 09:20 PM] jcheung#0000 as for the rockies, idk [26-Jan-25 09:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah but like rocky worlds [26-Jan-25 09:21 PM] jcheung#0000 could simply just not be enough pure deposits {Reactions} RSZeroShrugIDK [26-Jan-25 09:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 H and He should be on every gasy planet [26-Jan-25 09:21 PM] jcheung#0000 if concentration is too low, then it's not economically viable to mine [26-Jan-25 09:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 [26-Jan-25 09:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m just a simple chemist [26-Jan-25 09:22 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah, well [26-Jan-25 09:22 PM] jcheung#0000 you do shit that looks like magic to me [26-Jan-25 09:22 PM] jcheung#0000 so [26-Jan-25 09:22 PM] jcheung#0000 phbbbt [26-Jan-25 09:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean like every rock has got SiO in it [26-Jan-25 09:23 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah? [26-Jan-25 09:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [26-Jan-25 09:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Not all [26-Jan-25 09:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But like most [26-Jan-25 09:25 PM] jcheung#0000 darn. i was trying to remember what this one was called [26-Jan-25 09:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Sand is a lot of Silica [26-Jan-25 09:25 PM] jcheung#0000 ah. here it is. kimberlite ๐Ÿ˜› [26-Jan-25 09:26 PM] jcheung#0000 don't ask why i knew that had low Si content :/ [26-Jan-25 09:26 PM] jcheung#0000 i couldn't answer that if i wanted to [26-Jan-25 09:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Bc itโ€™s got diamonds in it [26-Jan-25 09:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It should have higher C content [26-Jan-25 09:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It does however have Alumina [27-Jan-25 01:37 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1333340134380408894/image.png?ex=68147644&is=681324c4&hm=1536e650e3a28a552999feef178ba6030d4072c272f852a46f251b850e485d65& [27-Jan-25 01:37 AM] laaxus#0000 pain [27-Jan-25 02:00 AM] realharvey#0000 no lhp? [27-Jan-25 02:00 AM] realharvey#0000 also: Why repair? [27-Jan-25 02:24 AM] laaxus#0000 wdym no lhp [27-Jan-25 02:24 AM] laaxus#0000 because I like my ships to not look like a garbage can [27-Jan-25 02:25 AM] realharvey#0000 there is no visualisation from your tesla truck. I mean ship [27-Jan-25 02:28 AM] laaxus#0000 HarveyG car visualized {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1333353032645218385/2Q.png?ex=68148247&is=681330c7&hm=45d0d135db3cc1fb99372ecc2fd5ae0862817930adf5df14136d37ac5821462f& [27-Jan-25 02:33 AM] realharvey#0000 my ships: Yes [27-Jan-25 05:49 AM] tanda#0000 LHP gives your ships lower mass and costs less per plate for the tradeoff of having to do repairs 10% more often [27-Jan-25 05:50 AM] tanda#0000 also, that's pain? look at this puppy: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1333403765390315551/image.png?ex=6814b187&is=68136007&hm=9a984e0542cec409db6239334d659a1233a83ea3296b30342d40cc619847478f& [27-Jan-25 06:04 AM] laaxus#0000 It was the schaitr upgrade [27-Jan-25 06:06 AM] tanda#0000 I converted my ships to LHP alongside the Schaitr upgrade. It's just an additional expense at the time [27-Jan-25 06:16 AM] tanda#0000 Here's an oddity {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1333410382617772134/image.png?ex=6814b7b0&is=68136630&hm=0adba4830bf946159fe172ff59eaee833a22be23ab3428ec43ab1c19b580dc05& [27-Jan-25 06:33 AM] tanda#0000 @Market Alerts HE pretty much gone from all markets except MOR {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1333414559238590526/image.png?ex=6814bb94&is=68136a14&hm=b7162e4adc1b3cf18a0f60ea987a330e8b7f168d98c9e3a0120059102616dff5& [27-Jan-25 06:33 AM] tanda#0000 niche material, but still noteworthy [27-Jan-25 06:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Mostly used for ship parts and TRU? [27-Jan-25 06:35 AM] tanda#0000 yeah, MHL uses it too, so that might affect the price of RAT and COF [27-Jan-25 06:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 MHL markets seems fine for now [27-Jan-25 06:37 AM] tanda#0000 the MHL market is usually a bit messed up, but that's normal [27-Jan-25 06:38 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Archiel and Exeler are the main producer of HE in Ant space - both from OOG [27-Jan-25 06:38 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Most of it goes probably into PSK [27-Jan-25 06:41 AM] tanda#0000 I think the majority of that probably goes into OOG's own shipbuilding [27-Jan-25 06:42 AM] tanda#0000 I really do need to secure that supply line for myself, but it's hella shipping intensive [27-Jan-25 07:04 AM] realharvey#0000 I am considering plotting down a base for that. But it does not look like there is enough demand to support a full permit [27-Jan-25 07:05 AM] realharvey#0000 Current plan would make 318 HE per day [27-Jan-25 07:18 AM] tanda#0000 In the next couple months, I'm planning to quadruple my usage [27-Jan-25 07:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 based on my assumption that HE seems to be a pretty small market, with most of the demand being ship building, wouldnt it be pretty simple to dominate the market, and therefore shipbuilding aswell? [27-Jan-25 07:23 AM] zipatsu#0000 Yeah, it's going a bit faster than I thought it would. The hope is that the ones that bought large amounts will be good for a while so that I have the chance to catch up โœŒ๏ธ [27-Jan-25 07:28 AM] realharvey#0000 if someone tries to dominate a price people will just get their own HE. When prices are to expensive on the CX and "unreasaonable" people just start producing their own [27-Jan-25 07:29 AM] realharvey#0000 I could easily pay someone the base to plop down and buy all that HE of them on planet [27-Jan-25 07:30 AM] realharvey#0000 how much demand would that be? [27-Jan-25 08:07 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh yeah fair enough [27-Jan-25 08:10 AM] jcheung#0000 Well, I'll happily buy a small amount of your production [27-Jan-25 08:58 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1333451100476407901/image.png?ex=6814dd9c&is=68138c1c&hm=570987ac017eb3136f8c97e47ba0c3c2677d56f3f376f7671aeaed74d5fa4df9& [27-Jan-25 09:01 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ve got about 1k SIO at ANT if anyone needs it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [27-Jan-25 09:02 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m making SI on Hyalos but I messed up balancing my EXTs and SMEs ๐Ÿ˜… [27-Jan-25 09:04 AM] sidepipe#0000 Just send me a contract at bid price [27-Jan-25 09:04 AM] sidepipe#0000 Or is it ask? Whichever is the lower one [27-Jan-25 09:06 AM] jcheung#0000 trying to decide if i need it or not [27-Jan-25 09:09 AM] sidepipe#0000 Itโ€™s not going anywhere ๐Ÿ˜… [27-Jan-25 09:09 AM] sidepipe#0000 I listed it for sale a long time ago and it keeps getting undercut [27-Jan-25 09:09 AM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‚ [27-Jan-25 09:52 AM] marat_sh#0000 I was out of the loop for a while with my personal stuff... Where are ๐Ÿ€ ? [27-Jan-25 09:54 AM] sidepipe#0000 Price wise? Through the roof! [27-Jan-25 09:55 AM] sidepipe#0000 I think weโ€™ve hit the MM [27-Jan-25 09:55 AM] marat_sh#0000 No like... Order list is empty ๐Ÿ˜… [27-Jan-25 09:56 AM] sidepipe#0000 There ๐Ÿ™‚ [27-Jan-25 09:56 AM] sidepipe#0000 That should last for all of 6 ~~hours~~ seconds lol [27-Jan-25 09:57 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m working on making more RATs, but I need to re-work like 3 planets to get there [27-Jan-25 09:59 AM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/my-finger-slipped-oops-gif-20546338 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/my-finger-slipped-oops-gif-20546338 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/KGWL2Ncq2ibnCzsu9osCGZuxeiZfwcXnUA0jCZ4pto8/https/media.tenor.com/IRHdirrcPkYAAAAe/my-finger.png [27-Jan-25 10:00 AM] sidepipe#0000 Thank you for your business ๐Ÿ˜ {Reactions} ๐Ÿซถ (2) [27-Jan-25 10:01 AM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/alvin-and-the-chipmunks-alvin-whoops-my-bad-oops-gif-15512287650458333097 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/alvin-and-the-chipmunks-alvin-whoops-my-bad-oops-gif-15512287650458333097 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/VyKCqCwWWIWX9FHkMKuwFkqJyofK09mUBvA20swcA20/https/media.tenor.com/10a3bjM_b6kAAAAe/alvin-and-the-chipmunks-alvin.png [27-Jan-25 10:01 AM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/south-park-its-gone-gif-4104229 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/south-park-its-gone-gif-4104229 And it's gone https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/zNWjFC-TBRsacXT3KRLNS3JlSCKjj-yZcoUbQbQjt4U/https/media.tenor.com/gfSWsxaDN78AAAAe/south-park-its-gone.png [27-Jan-25 10:02 AM] sidepipe#0000 Yโ€™all need to tell your workers to eat less ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜… [27-Jan-25 10:03 AM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/doge-dog-bowl-angry-hungry-feed-me-gif-14790090 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/doge-dog-bowl-angry-hungry-feed-me-gif-14790090 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1cz1UyUd2Bt3wTfJ_vn7X9mn0rCOxXfCZ8p4ycdWg-0/https/media.tenor.com/-AOqEoqs4CsAAAAe/doge-dog-bowl.png [27-Jan-25 10:03 AM] realharvey#0000 my peasants demand food [27-Jan-25 10:04 AM] laaxus#0000 The audacity [27-Jan-25 10:05 AM] realharvey#0000 I have like an 1k RAT consumption per Day in my empire [27-Jan-25 10:05 AM] marat_sh#0000 319/d ๐Ÿฅฒ [27-Jan-25 10:07 AM] sidepipe#0000 I probably only have a 1k / day surplus right now [27-Jan-25 11:11 AM] archielvahr#0000 My HE base is just a couple weeks old, still getting the population up and getting experts [27-Jan-25 03:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I forgot to bring some PSL to Life... woops [27-Jan-25 05:35 PM] jcheung#0000 Don't you love when you do that? [27-Jan-25 05:36 PM] jcheung#0000 Well, i guess you get to run down the list to see if you forgot other things like consumables [27-Jan-25 08:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I didnโ€™t have room for those and didnโ€™t know how many of those I needed [27-Jan-25 08:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So uh yeah oops [27-Jan-25 08:18 PM] tanda#0000 I initially read this as RAT, not RTA and was like "wth" {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1333622170693402635/image.png?ex=6814d42e&is=681382ae&hm=b151e7daba0ec963999b3cc119e0c3fcf20717ea175b3dbd45f5833f7a40315b& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [27-Jan-25 08:39 PM] tanda#0000 uhoh. I think I need more ships again [27-Jan-25 10:11 PM] evov#0000 Working on it. I've just been lazy with my cx-cx shipping lately. [27-Jan-25 10:12 PM] evov#0000 HE has been low for about a month now though. [28-Jan-25 12:20 AM] evov#0000 On a semi related note, I've been on the lookout for my next "project" to work on in the game. One of the idea's that made the shortlist was to start up some MM operations for the ANT CX. Similar to what lowstrife does for/to the MOR CX. For the most part in the game, I've been focused on production capacity. Building long logistic chains to solo produce complicated items ( afabs, then ships, now gateway gates ). While I intend for that to remain a core part of what I do in the game, I'm looking to branch out into something new and the MM game seemed like one possibility. Before doing it though, I just wanted to throw the idea up here to get thoughts/feedback from people. Do people think it would be a net benefit to the ANT community? Would it "feel bad" to look at the CX and feel like an individual was in control of or manipulating certain markets, or would increased supply / stability /liquidity on the ANT CX feel good and make it easier to do business in the region? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1333683140975132672/themarket.jpg?ex=68150cf7&is=6813bb77&hm=c5fdb3343a344772b66350d2b75fa8e0b5bdc098831e004cc643e64b516a8a07& [28-Jan-25 12:32 AM] jcheung#0000 I personally wouldn't mind if some of the ask and bids were a little closer together [28-Jan-25 12:33 AM] jcheung#0000 As long as they weren't super close to each other [28-Jan-25 01:51 AM] laaxus#0000 Having large bid to sell into is a nice security to start a base [28-Jan-25 01:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 When I started, allocator was MMing the C market (thatโ€™s a few months ago) and I was confused and thought, thatโ€™s โ€œbadโ€, because somebody โ€œcontrolsโ€ the market. As an establish player, I appreciate and acknowledge the benefit MM players have. Especially fixing crucial markets, for example DW, RAT, C, etc. gives a feeling of stability. Or even establishing viable ask/bid orders for markets, which are undersupplied. [28-Jan-25 02:35 AM] realharvey#0000 I don't consider DW or RAT cruicial markets. They have MM you can buy from. Consumables don't have that big of an impact on profit [28-Jan-25 02:46 AM] pxlfox.#0000 MAINTANANCE RELEASE INCOMING [28-Jan-25 02:49 AM] pxlfox.#0000 HCB - Huge Cargo Bays with a capacity of 5,000/5,000 will be added this release, too https://discord.com/channels/350171287785701388/350171288267915277/1333715888926490634 [28-Jan-25 03:06 AM] evov#0000 10/10 will make. [28-Jan-25 03:07 AM] evov#0000 Will be interesting to see what changes to crew quarters/bridge etc might be needed. [28-Jan-25 03:10 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™m curious how fast those ships will be - probably not that fast, especially fully loaded [28-Jan-25 04:54 AM] realharvey#0000 I want to order one [28-Jan-25 05:42 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Elon (QJ-650c) was renamed to Origo (Latin for โ€œoriginโ€) [28-Jan-25 05:43 AM] tanda#0000 jesus, anybody ready to set up a BTS tap? [28-Jan-25 05:43 AM] tanda#0000 600 WAL for one HCB [28-Jan-25 05:48 AM] roche3950#0000 ask and you shall receive [28-Jan-25 05:49 AM] tanda#0000 one 100% BTS tap can fuel 3 AML bases full time [28-Jan-25 05:50 AM] tanda#0000 that's mildly crazy [28-Jan-25 06:56 AM] pagy1234#0000 Umm [28-Jan-25 06:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 i ran for parliament on harmonia as a joke [28-Jan-25 06:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 but i got elected [28-Jan-25 06:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 what do i do lol [28-Jan-25 06:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 ๐Ÿ˜† {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1333783483700482139/Screenshot_2025-01-28_at_8.59.18_PM.png?ex=6814c1ab&is=6813702b&hm=bdee30c10dd124a6e9d93fff21737665464ca84b23c37ff4e99d681584caf536& [28-Jan-25 06:59 AM] tanda#0000 It's fine, that's a great starting planet. Sit back and watch, mostly, caskman is a very capable governor. Just make sure to vote on motions when they pop up to help expedite them [28-Jan-25 06:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh nice [28-Jan-25 07:00 AM] pagy1234#0000 so just agree with whatever caskman says thats it? [28-Jan-25 07:00 AM] tanda#0000 Pretty much! [28-Jan-25 07:00 AM] pagy1234#0000 sounds like a dictatorship lmao [28-Jan-25 07:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 whats the normal role of a perliment person [28-Jan-25 07:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 do I propose stuff occasionally? [28-Jan-25 07:03 AM] tanda#0000 MP positions aren't really an active thing, they're a learning role or a fallback role (like if the GOV goes out on vacation or can't log on for a while) [28-Jan-25 07:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 ah i see [28-Jan-25 07:14 AM] pagy1234#0000 can i make motions? [28-Jan-25 07:14 AM] pagy1234#0000 or not [28-Jan-25 08:07 AM] brelov#0000 MOT-78268 the apple does not fall far from the tree [28-Jan-25 08:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 it says that motion doesnt exist D: [28-Jan-25 08:16 AM] brelov#0000 I wouldn't know I just sucked that one outta my thumb Sounded like a MOT you might make [28-Jan-25 08:22 AM] jcheung#0000 I have, uh... some WAL [28-Jan-25 08:22 AM] jcheung#0000 Not 600 of it tho [28-Jan-25 08:22 AM] jcheung#0000 But i can stop converting what i have ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Jan-25 08:52 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh lmaoo [28-Jan-25 08:52 AM] pagy1234#0000 but idk how to make one ๐Ÿ˜” [28-Jan-25 08:59 AM] jvaler#0000 change to government context in top left [28-Jan-25 09:20 AM] archielvahr#0000 The most important role of MPs is to take over if the governor goes missing. Especially on small planets. On big planets with 4 MPs + a governor.. it's just backup insurance. [28-Jan-25 09:21 AM] archielvahr#0000 But yeah, if the governor forgets the COGC or something, make sure it gets filled [28-Jan-25 09:21 AM] archielvahr#0000 There are some guides here that I recommend if you want to learn more [28-Jan-25 09:21 AM] archielvahr#0000 https://oogcapitalmanagement.com/posts/good-governance-guides/ {Embed} https://oogcapitalmanagement.com/posts/good-governance-guides/ Good Governance Guides | OOG Capital Management Governing a planet requires understanding of the population infrastructure system. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/K-Re4G-ukuAGRxrDTIdOlsd8I1AO1vHKDI6nKvw_Kv0/https/oogcapitalmanagement.com/images/governorship-header.png [28-Jan-25 09:21 AM] archielvahr#0000 (cause I wrote them ๐Ÿ˜‰ ) [28-Jan-25 10:46 AM] wikifeia#0000 Do the other factions have groups comparable to ADI, or are we roughly the most built up region? [28-Jan-25 10:46 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I think weโ€™re the most built up [28-Jan-25 10:47 AM] wikifeia#0000 Cool, thanks. [28-Jan-25 10:50 AM] jvaler#0000 i'd say KAWA(castillo-ito corp) is more coordinated than ADI, but not necessarily richer. and their AGP-equivelant (BEST) only gives out 500k as opposed to our 1mil in terms of being built up, moria would be the contender with antares. i don't know which is more built up, but i'm gonna pretend it's antares. [28-Jan-25 10:51 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Antares #1 {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ (5) [28-Jan-25 10:51 AM] jvaler#0000 although i don't think moria has a comparable large region-specific corp like ADI, OOG, or KAWA? it's kinda crickets on UFO [28-Jan-25 10:51 AM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1333841964398804992/image.png?ex=6814f821&is=6813a6a1&hm=1061c4f040c4935835a939309c36254b3e0c6dfd7c4dc4a9ee3c0ff52aef21e9& [28-Jan-25 11:49 AM] .urpalhal#0000 heyo the new update dropped [28-Jan-25 11:49 AM] .urpalhal#0000 there's multi item contracts now [28-Jan-25 11:50 AM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/hai-gif-10567033442484308038 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/hai-gif-10567033442484308038 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ld_0Wo1q4IxGmtWQtifWh-z9fShYLU5YqOi1c5MV0WU/https/media.tenor.com/kqWk7ezzSEYAAAAe/hai.png [28-Jan-25 11:50 AM] jcheung#0000 i'm gonna have to rebuild a few conts now... [28-Jan-25 11:50 AM] jcheung#0000 bleh [28-Jan-25 11:53 AM] realharvey#0000 I HAD JUST DONE A FEW [28-Jan-25 11:54 AM] realharvey#0000 I am not mad. you are mad [28-Jan-25 11:54 AM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/corgiaday-barking-corgis-corgi-dogs-gif-11847390 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/corgiaday-barking-corgis-corgi-dogs-gif-11847390 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/qMd367D5cfjMw7f9CmOzT-KeL_58A8IWER3nJfjekJM/https/media.tenor.com/IzjmeJt-opUAAAAe/corgiaday-barking.png [28-Jan-25 11:54 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I just sent one [28-Jan-25 11:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 Not sure where to ask this, but here seems most appropriate maybe. I need some advice on when to sell DW, prices are dropping but last time something simmilar happened they rebounded within 2 days, can anyone predict if that will happen again? or if I should sell fast at slightly lower price since they wont rebound? [28-Jan-25 11:55 AM] jcheung#0000 it depends on your finances [28-Jan-25 11:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 I have 2.8k DW sitting in CX but idk [28-Jan-25 11:55 AM] sidepipe#0000 I'd say that's entirely up to how quickly you need cash [28-Jan-25 11:55 AM] jcheung#0000 if your finances are comfortable, hold at the higher price [28-Jan-25 11:56 AM] jcheung#0000 it's a little of a gamble though [28-Jan-25 11:56 AM] pagy1234#0000 hmm, well if thats the way it should go then I probably should sell soon [28-Jan-25 11:56 AM] jcheung#0000 since it could also just crash completely the next day *stares at the NL market when he got started* [28-Jan-25 11:57 AM] pagy1234#0000 lmao, i hope not [28-Jan-25 11:57 AM] sidepipe#0000 nah it probably won't crash [28-Jan-25 11:57 AM] jcheung#0000 i mean, it isn't likely, no [28-Jan-25 11:57 AM] sidepipe#0000 demand is high and it trades fast [28-Jan-25 11:58 AM] sidepipe#0000 and usually that only happens once you've spent a few million to get into a market ๐Ÿ˜… [28-Jan-25 11:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 someone did just throw out an offer for 50k DW @109aic which turbo sucks [28-Jan-25 11:58 AM] sidepipe#0000 like BWS ๐Ÿ˜ญ [28-Jan-25 11:58 AM] jcheung#0000 *stares at NL again* [28-Jan-25 11:58 AM] igfloz#0000 I think we are still shy in daily requirements for DW on the ANT CX, so the price will trend up at some point - all the lower bids will soon sell out [28-Jan-25 11:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 i usually trade at 112 but that bloke blocked the market [28-Jan-25 11:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 104 it is for today D: [28-Jan-25 11:58 AM] igfloz#0000 I feel your pain, been there too brother [28-Jan-25 11:58 AM] sidepipe#0000 @pagy1234 I'll buy your DW @ 112 if you send me a contract [28-Jan-25 11:59 AM] sidepipe#0000 I'm short on DW right now anyway so I might as well buy from ADI ๐Ÿ˜› [28-Jan-25 11:59 AM] realharvey#0000 DW prices are currently trending downwards and we are supplying more on sell orders than is getting bought [28-Jan-25 11:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 rly? :D {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‡พ ๐Ÿ‡ช ๐Ÿ‡ธ DW (2) truss [28-Jan-25 12:00 PM] pagy1234#0000 Thanks alot [28-Jan-25 12:00 PM] pagy1234#0000 sent the cont :D {Reactions} ๐Ÿซถ [28-Jan-25 12:00 PM] roche3950#0000 Enough retooling/increase in production capacity has happened in the market finally [28-Jan-25 12:01 PM] roche3950#0000 So DW price will finally start to crack after โ€ฆ what has it been, 30-45d? [28-Jan-25 12:01 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah tbf it was nearly at MM [28-Jan-25 12:01 PM] realharvey#0000 people are still plopping down DW bases to this day. So the market will not be as profitable anymore in a few months [28-Jan-25 12:01 PM] pagy1234#0000 but H2O prices wont let this price drop go very far [28-Jan-25 12:02 PM] igfloz#0000 once the DW price has stabilized at a comfortable number - people will start making COF again..... and then that price will slowly drop [28-Jan-25 12:03 PM] realharvey#0000 DW price could go down to 80 and stilll be very profitable at current h2o prices [28-Jan-25 12:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 that's why I'm making more COF now ๐Ÿ˜› [28-Jan-25 12:04 PM] realharvey#0000 70 AIC/u is like the lowest where someone could still consider producing it [28-Jan-25 12:04 PM] realharvey#0000 the current profit margins you can make with DW are not what you should expect from your bases in general [28-Jan-25 12:05 PM] pagy1234#0000 if DW was at that price I would have made only 67.2k on that 2.8k DW [28-Jan-25 12:06 PM] realharvey#0000 a full permit of FP DW base makes 148k profit per day [28-Jan-25 12:06 PM] realharvey#0000 thats insane for a base that is this cheap [28-Jan-25 12:07 PM] pagy1234#0000 I would have 55k profit at the end of each WEEK with my current expenses if DW goes to 80 :D [28-Jan-25 12:07 PM] realharvey#0000 how many FP's do you have? [28-Jan-25 12:11 PM] pagy1234#0000 15 [28-Jan-25 12:12 PM] sidepipe#0000 by the time DW crashes that far, you should hopefully have enough cash to either make an H2O base or switch those over to RAT / FIM / etc [28-Jan-25 12:12 PM] sidepipe#0000 if it ever does, that is ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Jan-25 12:14 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, im getting RAT going soon, already starting to move small shipments of your VEG and ALG to Norwick to start processing as soon as my GRN production start going. [28-Jan-25 12:32 PM] realharvey#0000 do you use prunplanner? Because that sounds not right [28-Jan-25 12:32 PM] pagy1234#0000 I have loans to pay out๐Ÿ˜” [28-Jan-25 12:32 PM] pagy1234#0000 Would be 450k a week @80aic [28-Jan-25 12:33 PM] pagy1234#0000 But loans eat up around 400k currently [28-Jan-25 12:33 PM] pagy1234#0000 Wait no, somethings fully wrong with my math [28-Jan-25 12:35 PM] realharvey#0000 going out positive while still repaying a loan is still very good [28-Jan-25 12:36 PM] pagy1234#0000 So, i know im paying just about 400k in loans a week [28-Jan-25 12:37 PM] pagy1234#0000 And if i can sell at 112 (high estimate) i make about ~1 mil a week [28-Jan-25 12:37 PM] pagy1234#0000 If i sell at 80 (worst case) i make about 750 [28-Jan-25 12:37 PM] realharvey#0000 All I wanted to tell you is the following: DW Profit margins are currently crazy high and you should not get to used to it when planning new other bases :) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [28-Jan-25 12:38 PM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah ok, fair enough [28-Jan-25 12:39 PM] laaxus#0000 Yeah, if you expect 120k+ a day, you won't build much else than IDC [28-Jan-25 12:39 PM] realharvey#0000 and an IDC bases has high setup and running costs [28-Jan-25 12:39 PM] realharvey#0000 a DW base has not ๐Ÿ˜‚ [28-Jan-25 12:39 PM] laaxus#0000 Yeah [28-Jan-25 12:39 PM] laaxus#0000 FP is currently the best base by far [28-Jan-25 12:40 PM] laaxus#0000 Hal into cl is up there too [28-Jan-25 12:41 PM] realharvey#0000 and the market will correct that over time. DW crisis happens about once a year and after that it goes to 80-90 aic/u and stays there until it goes up after a few months again [28-Jan-25 03:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 @tanda are you on Iy-816d? [28-Jan-25 03:27 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Do we have a group or organisation in Antares space, which dedicates resources to produce metals (especially AL) [28-Jan-25 03:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 kinda [28-Jan-25 03:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Aluminum Alliance (AA) has stuff like that [28-Jan-25 03:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but not for making metals specifically [28-Jan-25 03:34 PM] jcheung#0000 wacha lookin for [28-Jan-25 03:35 PM] igfloz#0000 I'm already feeding AA, plus 2 other customers, I don't think I can take on another ALO customer (if you wanted to spin up your own AL Smelting process) [28-Jan-25 03:39 PM] igfloz#0000 I do have some spillover ALO that I drop on CX......... but it's not reliable really [28-Jan-25 03:41 PM] igfloz#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1333914780037287946/image.png?ex=68149332&is=681341b2&hm=72a36256930b0c115e0b6ff9bc3c0538d8e4d01ff80cae6157a3daa33fe860c6& [28-Jan-25 03:45 PM] jvaler#0000 reminds me of that GAS project catalclism wanted to start, but it flopped due to being vague and indecisive. then they left the game a few months later lol https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183247926995189790/1195458831896035378 [28-Jan-25 03:45 PM] jvaler#0000 besides DNPC happening to make AL, i don't know of any metallurgy co-ops in ANT [28-Jan-25 03:46 PM] jvaler#0000 if you wanted you could steal the deimos AL prod part of their structure and just skip the bfab part [28-Jan-25 03:46 PM] igfloz#0000 ๐Ÿ‘† This is true, it "might" be worth thinking about some newer players getting together (maybe with a CULT overseer ?) [28-Jan-25 03:48 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm not sure it'd fall under the CULT umbrella. pretty confident that dvorak doesn't want any more on their plate, and idk if tanda would be interested. and those are the main 2 CULT coordinators [28-Jan-25 03:49 PM] igfloz#0000 gotcha - I was kinda offering up an "older mind" to co-ordinate to start [28-Jan-25 03:49 PM] jvaler#0000 ah makes sense [28-Jan-25 03:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So someone not tanda or Dvorak [28-Jan-25 03:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Or Evayoo [28-Jan-25 03:50 PM] igfloz#0000 oooh, I know - Sidepipe ๐Ÿ™‚ - sorry, I'm j'k {Reactions} ๐Ÿง ๐Ÿ˜ณ [28-Jan-25 03:50 PM] jvaler#0000 i'd ping tanda to ask but idk if there's even interest in this getting made at all lol [28-Jan-25 03:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [28-Jan-25 03:52 PM] jvaler#0000 doing something like DNPC has where there's dedicated EXT and SME bases on deimos would cut down on logi, but is that even that important? ships and upgrade kits are so abundant nowadays it doesn't feel like it [28-Jan-25 03:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [28-Jan-25 03:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Maybe like a COL on Deimos [28-Jan-25 03:52 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m happy to finance projects, I just donโ€™t have the time to organize them right now ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Jan-25 03:53 PM] jvaler#0000 O from anywhere but SE-648c is gross lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [28-Jan-25 03:54 PM] igfloz#0000 I'll be honest, if any 1 of my current customers fall out of the universe. I'd probably spin up smelting and genuinely join in with something like this. I wonder if most people are vertically integrating AL into their production ? [28-Jan-25 03:54 PM] igfloz#0000 I do that ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [28-Jan-25 03:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah I just about make everything to make AL then use it for B and LFABs and TRU [28-Jan-25 03:55 PM] jvaler#0000 given how popular nascent is i think a lot of people do vertically integrate it, at least partially [28-Jan-25 03:56 PM] igfloz#0000 I EXT on both Nascent and Deimos (hence the #1 LEAD score) [28-Jan-25 03:56 PM] igfloz#0000 Transport is fun ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Jan-25 03:57 PM] jvaler#0000 you only EXT, no SME? that's funny lol [28-Jan-25 03:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Wow you are 2x my output [28-Jan-25 03:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And Iโ€™m 16th [28-Jan-25 03:58 PM] igfloz#0000 I set up Nascent for a customer on Deimos( no slot available for me at the time) - then I get another, then DNPC asked for ALO provider and Deimos opened up. It all fell into place [28-Jan-25 03:58 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm only 40th [28-Jan-25 03:58 PM] jvaler#0000 14 EXT on nascent = 20 deimos SME [28-Jan-25 03:58 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m always impressed by the EXT only companies ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Jan-25 03:58 PM] sidepipe#0000 Sometimes I wanna refocus to just doing a lot of one thing [28-Jan-25 03:59 PM] sidepipe#0000 Like zipatsu but less cool {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Jan-25 03:59 PM] jvaler#0000 it's not easy ;_; {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [28-Jan-25 03:59 PM] jvaler#0000 i only run a few and i love-hate them [28-Jan-25 04:00 PM] igfloz#0000 +1008 ALO /day I think between them both [28-Jan-25 04:00 PM] jvaler#0000 sheesh [28-Jan-25 04:01 PM] igfloz#0000 It would be more, but I also do O on Deimos for DNPC [28-Jan-25 04:02 PM] jvaler#0000 wait doesn't DNPC operate in full permits? [28-Jan-25 04:02 PM] igfloz#0000 yes - 1 permit full of extractors / collectors [28-Jan-25 04:03 PM] jvaler#0000 okay so at least you don't have to ship the deimos ALO [28-Jan-25 04:04 PM] igfloz#0000 yes, just 1 "pesky" customer who needs ALO shipped from Nascent to Deimos, lol ( if he's reading, he'll know) [28-Jan-25 04:07 PM] igfloz#0000 Tedious, I think the word is........ I find them tedious [28-Jan-25 04:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 Tedium is kinda why I stopped expanding RAT for a long time [28-Jan-25 04:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 That, and low profits until recently [28-Jan-25 04:09 PM] igfloz#0000 thats what I found with ALO - the market is not swift (well recent player base kinda accounts for that) - but I err.. get an income ? (I think) [28-Jan-25 04:10 PM] igfloz#0000 my burn mats are all vertically integrated so it's free right ? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™‚โ€โ†•๏ธ [28-Jan-25 04:10 PM] igfloz#0000 cue the memes [29-Jan-25 01:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 @igfloz I have enough ALO, but thank you for responding so fast ^^ [29-Jan-25 01:32 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I was asking for another reason. It's still cooking in the background, so I don't want to spill it just yet, but "Antares Alluminium Alliance" was the first name, that popped into my mind. Somebody beat me to it, tho ๐Ÿ˜… ๐Ÿ˜‚ . [29-Jan-25 01:33 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But I get from the discussion, that there is interest in the ANT region for some metal... that's good [29-Jan-25 01:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Got a new and shinier name, so all is good ๐Ÿ˜Ž [29-Jan-25 02:23 AM] gnarlicious#0000 @.urpalhal Just to be sure, for transfers we use contracts, right? If you have some space in your load, I'd love to do a Deimos -> ANT transit ๐Ÿ™‚ [29-Jan-25 07:18 AM] realharvey#0000 With a ship wort 10,5 mil AIC on its way to a location I am glad piracy does not exist lol. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1334150732101713920/image.png?ex=6814c631&is=681374b1&hm=7c80bd36b29c9e2bf6ce552a5f2f953695bf8bed45fbc97df19bb390ae99aab5& [29-Jan-25 07:19 AM] laaxus#0000 all my homies hate piracy [29-Jan-25 08:05 AM] brelov#0000 I only hate piracy when I'm the target [29-Jan-25 08:45 AM] laaxus#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/855489711635431475/1334171165135994982 [29-Jan-25 08:45 AM] laaxus#0000 lowstrife leaking my strats [29-Jan-25 09:01 AM] sidepipe#0000 Clearly itโ€™s time to fix this by letting DDT get over 4k/u ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [29-Jan-25 11:09 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah there is a Shipping CONT [29-Jan-25 01:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 @tanda didn't want to post it on UFO since I haven't 100% figured out how things will work, but I'm thinking of SE-751b [29-Jan-25 01:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 setting up a COGC and base there today to get things rolling - if I end up using it for a while I'll put down ADM too [29-Jan-25 01:00 PM] tanda#0000 Cool. I'll keep it in mind, RAT project is probably going to go ahead [29-Jan-25 01:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 well, anyone is free to join if they need more FP space ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-Jan-25 01:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 i have 0 experience starting planets so I still need to figure that out [29-Jan-25 01:01 PM] jcheung#0000 this the RAT project? [29-Jan-25 01:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 no no, just a personal project for setting up a new FP planet [29-Jan-25 01:02 PM] jcheung#0000 ah [29-Jan-25 01:02 PM] realharvey#0000 A very RATional decision [29-Jan-25 01:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 the other planets are overRATed ๐Ÿ˜› [29-Jan-25 01:03 PM] igfloz#0000 oooooh, I'm gonna keep an eye on this ๐Ÿ™‚ [29-Jan-25 01:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 i figured it would be a convenient location since it's close to Thalassa. It seems like 1 HYF base can run more than 1 FP planet, and I don't run INC on Thalassa d like other folks [29-Jan-25 01:06 PM] pxlfox.#0000 @evov could probably give you some tips... after colonizing a whole system [29-Jan-25 01:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 I think early on all I'll need is a safety station for PIO [29-Jan-25 01:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 maybe more later on if people want to do FER there. but that probably wouldn't happen often since Thalassa A and Norwick are both set up for that already [29-Jan-25 03:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have 2000/2000 space available for ya {Reactions} โค๏ธ [29-Jan-25 05:33 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 FYI: MFK AI1 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1334305519275343873/firefox_pe35RxqKix.png?ex=6814ad99&is=68135c19&hm=9ee82653b5e9247a6cb6630b06fc42b2c26a5402d95b0743bcfe2793eea8b8ba& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1334305519502102599/firefox_KP6G28MOk1.png?ex=6814ad9a&is=68135c1a&hm=e0adebb064afe19139104ab1fa1772f73e344a24a3daf5ef6dd92dd2f172e9a9& [29-Jan-25 05:53 PM] tanda#0000 Will it finally be profitable? MAYBE [29-Jan-25 06:58 PM] sidepipe#0000 I feel like the existence of SFK and MFK should imply that there are large fastener kits somewhere in this universe [29-Jan-25 07:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 LFK? [29-Jan-25 07:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s what holds my hopes and dreams together {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜„ (2) [29-Jan-25 07:56 PM] tanda#0000 GOOD NEWS. THIS MAKES MFK PROFITABLE AGAIN [29-Jan-25 07:57 PM] tanda#0000 ohhhhh [29-Jan-25 07:57 PM] tanda#0000 I missed that the new HCBs take 100 MFK each {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [29-Jan-25 07:59 PM] tanda#0000 if I buy out MOR up to the same price, can someone buy out BEN? [29-Jan-25 08:03 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1334343102273425539/image.png?ex=6814d09a&is=68137f1a&hm=f427763d7133318e740e79f033fe2f4dec8e279d318b53329deb3ffc08aa51b4& [29-Jan-25 09:04 PM] jvaler#0000 lel [29-Jan-25 09:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 does anyone know USR Joukov? [29-Jan-25 09:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 they're just on 3 planets [29-Jan-25 11:08 PM] evov#0000 I started a couple planets nearly 2 years ago to test it out and see what it was like. I founded FK-794c and FK-794d as a HYF planet and an FP planet next to Boucher. I started those planets without an admin center... because at the time that was quite expensive for me. I found it took WAAY too long for pop to fill, especially Settlers. The 9 I've started recently, all start with Admin Center / CogC / Warehouse (2k space) and Local Market. Pop infrastructure up to whatever you plan on supporting. That combo (assuming pop inf up to Engineers) is about 8mil. +4mil if you want to support scientists. While it's time consuming - fractional upkeep on the pop requirements is good way to save $ week to week. Immigration programs are life. [30-Jan-25 07:12 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Any COF producer on SE-110a? [30-Jan-25 07:13 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™m thinking about placing a DW base there to reduce internal costs and pump some into the market [30-Jan-25 07:13 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But would also be happy to sell locally to anybody, who needs it [30-Jan-25 07:21 AM] sidepipe#0000 Me ๐Ÿ™‚ [30-Jan-25 07:23 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ll buy any DW - just list it on the LM and @ me (unless someone else gets to it first) [30-Jan-25 07:57 AM] jvaler#0000 i do, but i produce DW there too so it's net positive [30-Jan-25 08:30 AM] sidepipe#0000 Good to know - Iโ€™ll probably drop an ADM out there too. Cost isnโ€™t really an issue at this point, and I donโ€™t really feel like waiting months to get 700 PIO ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-Jan-25 12:36 AM] evany.#0000 i recently spun up there too {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1334774368458248263/image.png?ex=681510c0&is=6813bf40&hm=9074d065a2616406454e015d966166c1284176b8475beaebbe4becdb24dc3607& [31-Jan-25 04:06 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Annnnnd... the demand for HER has exausted DDT at the CX ๐Ÿ™‚ [31-Jan-25 04:07 AM] laaxus#0000 one guy bought 8M worth of DDT [31-Jan-25 04:08 AM] laaxus#0000 enough for 200 days (for one base) [31-Jan-25 04:08 AM] laaxus#0000 pretty sure we're gonna see that DDT on the market again but at a higher price [31-Jan-25 04:08 AM] laaxus#0000 worst come to worst, I can produce it myself ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-Jan-25 04:08 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 oh. sure, its clear it is only temporary. [31-Jan-25 06:18 AM] sidepipe#0000 Listed a little bit of DDT - need to make more trips out to Nyx to get more {Reactions} โค๏ธ [31-Jan-25 06:19 AM] sidepipe#0000 Oh - if Iโ€™d realized you were going to buy some, I would have listed it at a lower price ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-Jan-25 06:19 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I (was) the top bid! [31-Jan-25 06:21 AM] laaxus#0000 DDT USE CL ??? [31-Jan-25 06:21 AM] laaxus#0000 god damn it [31-Jan-25 06:21 AM] laaxus#0000 there's never enough CL bases [31-Jan-25 06:21 AM] tanda#0000 Nope [31-Jan-25 06:22 AM] tanda#0000 never enough [31-Jan-25 06:22 AM] laaxus#0000 pro tip @cactu55 @pagy1234 CL bases are op [31-Jan-25 06:23 AM] laaxus#0000 you can buy HAL at halcyon [31-Jan-25 06:23 AM] sidepipe#0000 Noooo keep buying from me instead ๐Ÿฅฒ [31-Jan-25 06:23 AM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah CL bases are great, very reliable profits for not too bad shipping [31-Jan-25 06:24 AM] laaxus#0000 I have 70 days worth of DDT consumptions [31-Jan-25 06:24 AM] laaxus#0000 I was thinking of selling a bit of ddt to fix the market [31-Jan-25 06:25 AM] sidepipe#0000 Ah gotcha - honestly if you use a lot of it, itโ€™s probably worth dropping your own LAB base someday [31-Jan-25 06:25 AM] laaxus#0000 My NA bomb for surprise santa is taking shapes {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1334862022583652432/image.png?ex=6814b9a2&is=68136822&hm=591a8075e19cc6f51c1b3b5629d82dd5195665beb47e4db19a17a54cb76341ed& [31-Jan-25 06:25 AM] tanda#0000 I still have 20 days worth, but it's all out in Harmonia [31-Jan-25 06:25 AM] laaxus#0000 I have my own LAB base at bober, producing NR [31-Jan-25 06:26 AM] sidepipe#0000 I have some more DDT, didnโ€™t list it all just in case {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [31-Jan-25 06:26 AM] laaxus#0000 sell it in low quantity [31-Jan-25 06:27 AM] laaxus#0000 and increase the price each time [31-Jan-25 06:27 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ve just got two bids at 4k and 5k atm - the other CXs are all at 4 as well, so I think we should be okay for now [31-Jan-25 06:28 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 4k is definately still profitable for HER. [31-Jan-25 06:28 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 but HER seems like it might catch up [31-Jan-25 06:28 AM] laaxus#0000 if antares was a country [31-Jan-25 06:28 AM] laaxus#0000 the central bank would be on fire [31-Jan-25 06:29 AM] laaxus#0000 and we would suffer a 10% interest rate [31-Jan-25 06:29 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 they'd all be drinking watered down kombucha. [31-Jan-25 06:29 AM] realharvey#0000 playercount is goind down and other people go for more advanced products [31-Jan-25 06:30 AM] realharvey#0000 this makes tier 1 products less produced and also higher in demand [31-Jan-25 06:32 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1334863983664042055/image.png?ex=6814bb76&is=681369f6&hm=53c7d9b5353e7f8b57d413230a05bbcbd62fe2683a8955a7b552e0a2b2f4eab8& [31-Jan-25 06:33 AM] tanda#0000 Another in demand resource nearly out on the market [31-Jan-25 06:41 AM] sidepipe#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฑ [31-Jan-25 06:42 AM] sidepipe#0000 Thatโ€™s not great for my HYFs [31-Jan-25 06:44 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Sigh, I just built my first HYF too... And, for my third base, chemistry despite solving these problems seems like a much larger investment for lower profit than just... water extraction. But maybe my fourth base... [31-Jan-25 06:47 AM] tanda#0000 Chemistry is inevitable [31-Jan-25 06:47 AM] tanda#0000 Dread it, Run from it, it still arrives [31-Jan-25 06:48 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Wait, maybe pruplanner just lied to me because it had out of date prices or something and it isn't as dramatic a difference as I thought (still seems harder to start chemistry though). [31-Jan-25 06:53 AM] realharvey#0000 hello my Name is Harvey and I have 10 Chem bases. ๐Ÿซก [31-Jan-25 08:17 AM] jvaler#0000 HYF gamers have it hard enough already ;_; [31-Jan-25 10:15 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Oh, I didn't realize you had internal ddt offers. That's on me for not even looking ๐Ÿ™‚ [31-Jan-25 10:26 AM] sidepipe#0000 I didnโ€™t realize you were buying, or I would have told you ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-Jan-25 10:31 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Yeah, it probably wasn't obvious I was the highest bid ๐Ÿ™‚ [31-Jan-25 11:19 AM] pagy1234#0000 did some planning off from this idea [31-Jan-25 11:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 if I make a CL base on Griffonstone (CL-300c) and extract the HAL directly from the planet, I can have roughly 28k profit per day on a very small scale base with ROI being roughly 18 days [31-Jan-25 11:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 looks good, but will have to wait a while since I really dont have the cash rn [31-Jan-25 11:23 AM] laaxus#0000 no [31-Jan-25 11:23 AM] laaxus#0000 HAL extraction must be at halcyon [31-Jan-25 11:24 AM] laaxus#0000 if don't want to have a second base [31-Jan-25 11:24 AM] laaxus#0000 then buy from the HAL guy [31-Jan-25 11:24 AM] laaxus#0000 which sells its hal pretty cheaply [31-Jan-25 11:24 AM] laaxus#0000 at halcyon [31-Jan-25 11:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 hmmm [31-Jan-25 11:25 AM] laaxus#0000 At least, that's what I'd recommend [31-Jan-25 11:25 AM] laaxus#0000 ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [31-Jan-25 11:25 AM] sidepipe#0000 If you go that route (which I recommend), make sure to check the import requirements because HAL is heavy {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [31-Jan-25 11:26 AM] sidepipe#0000 Though, you could always start with extracting HAL on site and then remove the EXTs to buy your own later [31-Jan-25 11:27 AM] sidepipe#0000 But I donโ€™t remember how good HAL density on griffonstone is so it might not even be worth digging for it [31-Jan-25 11:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 my daily import to that base would be ~70t/30m [31-Jan-25 11:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 pretty small lol [31-Jan-25 11:30 AM] pagy1234#0000 and profit aint bad [31-Jan-25 11:30 AM] sidepipe#0000 Is that for the base with EXT and CHP or just pure CHP? [31-Jan-25 11:30 AM] laaxus#0000 what would be the profit for 500 area ? [31-Jan-25 11:32 AM] pagy1234#0000 with extraction on griff aswell? [31-Jan-25 11:32 AM] pagy1234#0000 or no [31-Jan-25 11:32 AM] pagy1234#0000 tbh I can def find a more sutable planer if it doesnt need to have HAL [31-Jan-25 11:33 AM] laaxus#0000 yes [31-Jan-25 11:33 AM] laaxus#0000 when talking about profit [31-Jan-25 11:34 AM] laaxus#0000 always do it for 500 area [31-Jan-25 11:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 okok [31-Jan-25 11:34 AM] laaxus#0000 Choices are limited to griffonstone, elon, ki-840c and electronica anyway [31-Jan-25 11:35 AM] pagy1234#0000 52k [31-Jan-25 11:35 AM] laaxus#0000 not great [31-Jan-25 11:35 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah [31-Jan-25 11:36 AM] pagy1234#0000 when buying hal myself its 61k [31-Jan-25 11:36 AM] pagy1234#0000 so alr much better [31-Jan-25 11:37 AM] laaxus#0000 oh wait [31-Jan-25 11:37 AM] laaxus#0000 wait wait wait [31-Jan-25 11:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 ? [31-Jan-25 11:37 AM] laaxus#0000 CL is back ? [31-Jan-25 11:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 ?? [31-Jan-25 11:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 you told me to do CL [31-Jan-25 11:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 ?? [31-Jan-25 11:37 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah, it isn't bad [31-Jan-25 11:37 AM] laaxus#0000 60k isn't bad [31-Jan-25 11:38 AM] laaxus#0000 but it's not extra great [31-Jan-25 11:38 AM] pagy1234#0000 if I made pure EXT base on haceon its much better [31-Jan-25 11:38 AM] pagy1234#0000 100k [31-Jan-25 11:38 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah but it's shipping heavy [31-Jan-25 11:38 AM] pagy1234#0000 and I can mine CLI in case anyhting goes bad [31-Jan-25 11:39 AM] pagy1234#0000 cant be as much as H2O [31-Jan-25 11:39 AM] jvaler#0000 for chem? there's way more chem CoGCs than just those [31-Jan-25 11:39 AM] jvaler#0000 there's even 2 HSE chem planets in the YK sector if you wanna do halcyon export [31-Jan-25 11:39 AM] pagy1234#0000 about the same actually [31-Jan-25 11:40 AM] laaxus#0000 well sorry, CL production chain used to be more profitable ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-Jan-25 11:40 AM] laaxus#0000 I was not up to date [31-Jan-25 11:40 AM] pagy1234#0000 nah nah, hal is great to mine [31-Jan-25 11:41 AM] sidepipe#0000 I have a feeling that itโ€™ll get more profitable long term, especially with HER and DDT demand going up. But thatโ€™s just vibes-based forecasting right now ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-Jan-25 11:49 AM] laaxus#0000 Currently, my 2 CL -> 2 EPO bases are my 4 less profitable bases I have ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-Jan-25 03:06 PM] tanda#0000 Mine is Hephaestus by far [31-Jan-25 05:06 PM] jvaler#0000 technically my KOM is terrible rn cause of HER {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335023443795775650/image.png?ex=6814a738&is=681355b8&hm=fe618d2cc35a3c16e40b05f86656ceb88313ac395de9125deec6539aa0d50ca9& [31-Jan-25 05:06 PM] jvaler#0000 well i guess not technically, vertical integration is fake and all that [31-Jan-25 09:39 PM] jcheung#0000 i just realized [31-Jan-25 09:40 PM] jcheung#0000 that HCB will be better than WCB and VCB unless it's significantly heavier [31-Jan-25 09:40 PM] jcheung#0000 as in like .75x speed or something [31-Jan-25 09:46 PM] tanda#0000 on long hauls, it looks like 3-4 hour differences between CXs [31-Jan-25 09:46 PM] tanda#0000 problem is HCBs are 11mil quote vs 4-5 for a LCB [31-Jan-25 09:57 PM] jcheung#0000 that's true [31-Jan-25 09:58 PM] jcheung#0000 my goals now though are to get 2 ships built with HCBs before my pro expires though [31-Jan-25 09:58 PM] tanda#0000 good luck! [31-Jan-25 09:58 PM] jcheung#0000 (watch them come out with HWCB and HVCBs next firght after i finish) [31-Jan-25 09:59 PM] sidepipe#0000 what about HLCB? Huge large cargo bay? ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-Jan-25 09:59 PM] tanda#0000 McHugeLarge? [31-Jan-25 09:59 PM] jcheung#0000 i wish i hadn't turned so much of this into CTF {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335097148261531719/image.png?ex=6814ebdd&is=68139a5d&hm=96bcc0a1e6af8ae52f740b473c75f55261b15d4aeb755d879eb98b13cccf5906& [31-Jan-25 09:59 PM] jcheung#0000 that's HCB ๐Ÿ˜› [31-Jan-25 10:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 MCB Mega Cargo Bay [31-Jan-25 10:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol I listed mine and someone bought it the day the updated happened {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [01-Feb-25 12:28 AM] jvaler#0000 i agree let's delete MCB [01-Feb-25 12:28 AM] jvaler#0000 has no reason to exist anyways [01-Feb-25 12:40 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh yeah [01-Feb-25 12:40 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Medium cargo bay lol [01-Feb-25 12:41 AM] jcheung#0000 can someone refresh my memory? self repair drone hubs, do those need to be replaced each repair cycle? [01-Feb-25 12:42 AM] .urpalhal#0000 No [01-Feb-25 12:43 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I think [01-Feb-25 12:46 AM] jcheung#0000 i'm scared to price this out {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335139272411316224/image.png?ex=68151318&is=6813c198&hm=4cf50faeb74372f3ce6e0ad2110185f75fbc9dcb6f02ecec400a3f450d847c5e& [01-Feb-25 12:46 AM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‚ [01-Feb-25 12:54 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Heh [01-Feb-25 12:54 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I might have some RDls [01-Feb-25 03:19 AM] cactu55#0000 Hi all, prunplanner is saying I should be producing HER every 1 day 9 hr with both levels of upkeep goods. If I untick level 1, it goes to 1 day 12 hr, which is what is actually producing at. I have the goods, why is it slower? [01-Feb-25 03:34 AM] laaxus#0000 Pretty sure it's because you don't have full population yet [01-Feb-25 03:35 AM] laaxus#0000 That or experts [01-Feb-25 04:25 AM] cactu55#0000 Experts are configured correct [01-Feb-25 04:25 AM] cactu55#0000 Does this mean I only have 450 pioneers then? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335194327181426698/image.png?ex=68149d9e&is=68134c1e&hm=a4db704df35617f70aa60c13c07750da3850ee09bfe10e2202894ce848590044& [01-Feb-25 04:27 AM] laaxus#0000 Nah you have enough pio [01-Feb-25 04:28 AM] laaxus#0000 Idk [01-Feb-25 04:28 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm probably missing something obvious [01-Feb-25 04:48 AM] pagy1234#0000 is CoCG in PUP correct? [01-Feb-25 04:51 AM] cactu55#0000 yup [01-Feb-25 05:05 AM] realharvey#0000 Did you tick Corporation HQ on planet? [01-Feb-25 05:23 AM] jcheung#0000 Easier way. Share the design [01-Feb-25 05:55 AM] cactu55#0000 I believe so [01-Feb-25 05:56 AM] cactu55#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/e952026a-6c3f-4fa4-b2b2-a82fe385d4d5 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/e952026a-6c3f-4fa4-b2b2-a82fe385d4d5 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [01-Feb-25 05:57 AM] realharvey#0000 dont tick "Corporation HQ onm planet" [01-Feb-25 05:57 AM] realharvey#0000 You are not in a Corporation [01-Feb-25 05:58 AM] realharvey#0000 Corporation HQ is not = Company HQ [01-Feb-25 12:24 PM] pagy1234#0000 trecherous {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335314846182281319/Screenshot_2025-02-02_at_2.24.19_AM.png?ex=68150ddc&is=6813bc5c&hm=8979d8dfa6af78179a438cb729e9ebfb9333a025d8c138ac4e09b6a5aeb0d1b9& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ“‰ [01-Feb-25 12:25 PM] realharvey#0000 I called it! [01-Feb-25 12:26 PM] sidepipe#0000 My ship full of DW is now worth 240k less ๐Ÿ˜ญ [01-Feb-25 12:26 PM] pagy1234#0000 tbf there 10x more production than demand, so what else is market gonna do lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335315374266122473/Screenshot_2025-02-02_at_2.26.11_AM.png?ex=68150e5a&is=6813bcda&hm=f609db6370db523134130132bdd4f2f018a9b5560857985221941bfbf806744d& [01-Feb-25 12:27 PM] jvaler#0000 looks like it's finally catching up to H2O price [01-Feb-25 12:28 PM] sidepipe#0000 yeah definitely [01-Feb-25 12:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 I hope all the consumables start cooling off soon [01-Feb-25 12:29 PM] pagy1234#0000 whats the most optimal place to make a H2O base? [01-Feb-25 12:29 PM] jvaler#0000 SE-110c [01-Feb-25 12:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 Either Ice Station Alpha in the Thalassa system, or Etherwind in New Antares [01-Feb-25 12:29 PM] jvaler#0000 "ice" station alpha [01-Feb-25 12:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 water station alpha [01-Feb-25 12:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 ISA is a lot closer but more expensive to build on [01-Feb-25 12:30 PM] sidepipe#0000 Etherwind is like a 2 day round trip I think [01-Feb-25 12:30 PM] jvaler#0000 it's a nice base {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335316366118617168/image.png?ex=68150f46&is=6813bdc6&hm=871d59baff4c6e083230a4d143d53d7e439c2c5274663d1e022dbb666c6215c1& [01-Feb-25 12:30 PM] jcheung#0000 isn't "best" in hrt space somewhere? [01-Feb-25 12:30 PM] jvaler#0000 yea, boucher [01-Feb-25 12:30 PM] jvaler#0000 but you'd have to be as crazy as rise to ship that into ANT [01-Feb-25 12:31 PM] jcheung#0000 non zero chance i'll be doing that soon, might be taking over a shipping route from him that involves that -.- [01-Feb-25 12:31 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah that doesnt work for me [01-Feb-25 12:31 PM] jvaler#0000 it's not my AFC boucher base is it? [01-Feb-25 12:31 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ‘€ [01-Feb-25 12:32 PM] jvaler#0000 lololol [01-Feb-25 12:32 PM] pagy1234#0000 i will have to upgrade ships for the climate right? [01-Feb-25 12:32 PM] jvaler#0000 nope, only the base needs extra building/repair materials [01-Feb-25 12:32 PM] jvaler#0000 any ship upgrades are optional(and not worth it imo) [01-Feb-25 12:33 PM] jcheung#0000 though, technically ships can also be climate protected {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [01-Feb-25 12:33 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335317012112605367/image.png?ex=68150fe0&is=6813be60&hm=abe854c280a7f36f08552ce2860aeea87abc1c7619e0fd92f6e4c934e6ec9d17& [01-Feb-25 12:33 PM] jcheung#0000 it's really expensive though [01-Feb-25 12:33 PM] tanda#0000 the market is going to swap to FIM is what the market is going to do [01-Feb-25 12:33 PM] pagy1234#0000 what does that do? [01-Feb-25 12:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ญ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335317229645991989/image.png?ex=68151014&is=6813be94&hm=2c9d58543430abb8d6e0e58d63e4c6cb30c58541b3b9af6be534b68ca2659bfe& [01-Feb-25 12:34 PM] pagy1234#0000 24k???? [01-Feb-25 12:34 PM] tanda#0000 I have two days left of DW to make and then it's on to FIM [01-Feb-25 12:34 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335317383921012826/image.png?ex=68151039&is=6813beb9&hm=a5a867e18c898d5e533bba037a36c2fc23b6ad83fadb0767ad602db8f1bc5a00& [01-Feb-25 12:34 PM] pagy1234#0000 is it extravagantly more expensive? and does PUP account for it? [01-Feb-25 12:35 PM] sidepipe#0000 depends on the type of planet and yes ๐Ÿ™‚ [01-Feb-25 12:35 PM] pagy1234#0000 ah kk [01-Feb-25 12:35 PM] jcheung#0000 reduces damage if the climate is right [01-Feb-25 12:35 PM] jcheung#0000 but you have to have some very specific routes for it to be worth it [01-Feb-25 12:35 PM] tanda#0000 I offer discounts on INS (the primary extra cost of ISA bases) [01-Feb-25 12:35 PM] jvaler#0000 PUP? [01-Feb-25 12:35 PM] pagy1234#0000 100d roi on ICA? (wtf) [01-Feb-25 12:36 PM] pagy1234#0000 Prosperous Universe Planner [01-Feb-25 12:36 PM] jvaler#0000 ...prunplanner? =P [01-Feb-25 12:36 PM] sidepipe#0000 Theyโ€™re using its full name ๐Ÿ˜› [01-Feb-25 12:36 PM] jvaler#0000 lolol [01-Feb-25 12:36 PM] tanda#0000 but but [01-Feb-25 12:36 PM] pagy1234#0000 lol [01-Feb-25 12:36 PM] jvaler#0000 i guess saying "PP" is a bit weird {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™ƒ ๐Ÿ‘† [01-Feb-25 12:36 PM] tanda#0000 the abbreviation is part of the name [01-Feb-25 12:37 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/rMG5gXrzIos.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/puppy-growl-puppy-growl-dog-dog-growl-gif-14789686509880279078 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1fgWuTOI5pZ6UtbMQjEZauaxyZTEenq8JOsKt1KrNRo/https/media.tenor.com/zT-FhYjNACYAAAAe/puppy-growl.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [01-Feb-25 12:37 PM] pagy1234#0000 ok fine [01-Feb-25 12:37 PM] pagy1234#0000 il say "prunplanner" instead of "pup" [01-Feb-25 12:37 PM] pagy1234#0000 but anyways [01-Feb-25 12:38 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿง {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335318255186739354/image.png?ex=68151109&is=6813bf89&hm=4b3bc051b6d7ca18d5a7e21d43c8a860995c3e9be9bb92cc49d2731bf956b66e& [01-Feb-25 12:38 PM] pagy1234#0000 why is a H2O base on ICA having a 100 day roi [01-Feb-25 12:38 PM] jvaler#0000 ICA is a currency, ISA is a planet [01-Feb-25 12:38 PM] tanda#0000 whoa chill there. 1 STO? [01-Feb-25 12:38 PM] pagy1234#0000 whoops [01-Feb-25 12:38 PM] sidepipe#0000 Experts and luxuries? [01-Feb-25 12:38 PM] jvaler#0000 ya [01-Feb-25 12:38 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah I run 4 STO on mine ๐Ÿ˜‚ [01-Feb-25 12:38 PM] jvaler#0000 i've got 1 STO on boucher too [01-Feb-25 12:38 PM] pagy1234#0000 i dont have max area on it, but realisticaly it will be weeks before il max it [01-Feb-25 12:39 PM] pagy1234#0000 so thats not part of my equation [01-Feb-25 12:39 PM] sidepipe#0000 Ah, thatโ€™s why [01-Feb-25 12:39 PM] sidepipe#0000 The CM (base module) is a fixed cost [01-Feb-25 12:39 PM] pagy1234#0000 but thats still insane no? [01-Feb-25 12:39 PM] sidepipe#0000 So the ROI gets smaller as you use the base to produce more profit [01-Feb-25 12:39 PM] jvaler#0000 35d isn't great, but it's not insane imo [01-Feb-25 12:40 PM] pagy1234#0000 how do any water producers make money lol [01-Feb-25 12:40 PM] sidepipe#0000 Zipatsu runs thin margins and makes a _lot_ of water [01-Feb-25 12:40 PM] jvaler#0000 ROI isn't the only consideration, actual profit/d becomes more important later on [01-Feb-25 12:40 PM] jvaler#0000 and 70-80k/d is pretty decent [01-Feb-25 12:40 PM] jvaler#0000 used to be ~100k/d a few months ago [01-Feb-25 12:41 PM] pagy1234#0000 my DW used to be 77k/d [01-Feb-25 12:41 PM] pagy1234#0000 now 57k/d [01-Feb-25 12:41 PM] pagy1234#0000 in under a week lol [01-Feb-25 12:41 PM] jvaler#0000 @sidepipe @tanda 1 STO + 4 WAR fits 4 LCB loads of H2O, that's plenty of leeway for me given i've got 4 LCBs in my fleet now [01-Feb-25 12:42 PM] pagy1234#0000 id much rather mine HAL than get H2O, even if it has nothing to do with my current buisnesses [01-Feb-25 12:43 PM] jvaler#0000 pretty good still, 50-60k/d is what a logi intensive deimos AL base makes when the market's still decent for it lolol [01-Feb-25 12:43 PM] sidepipe#0000 In general, diversifying is more profitable than vertical integration, but also riskier (since the price of HAL could also crash, but if you make your own water you have a guaranteed โ€œpriceโ€) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [01-Feb-25 12:44 PM] sidepipe#0000 Early on, Iโ€™d focus on doing a few different profitable things since you want to make the most of the cash you have, but itโ€™s really up to how you wanna play / what youโ€™re comfortable with [01-Feb-25 12:44 PM] sidepipe#0000 And the risk isnโ€™t huge. Iโ€™ve been playing for a year and Iโ€™ve only ever had one base that just stopped being profitable altogether [01-Feb-25 12:45 PM] pagy1234#0000 il need more than 1 base of H2O to supply my CURRENT consumption lol [01-Feb-25 12:45 PM] jvaler#0000 yup lol [01-Feb-25 12:45 PM] jvaler#0000 DW is hungry [01-Feb-25 12:45 PM] jvaler#0000 my ISA base doesn't fully feed my setup either, i buy off CX too [01-Feb-25 12:46 PM] sidepipe#0000 I use the PE recipe for my base just so I can feed it all from etherwind [01-Feb-25 12:46 PM] pagy1234#0000 even now that I introduced some RAT production in, i just barely use less than the 500 area H2O base [01-Feb-25 12:47 PM] pagy1234#0000 thats pretty crazy to me [01-Feb-25 12:48 PM] sidepipe#0000 It might be worth checking the PE recipe in your base to see what it does to the consumption (if feeding it all from one h2o base is the goal) [01-Feb-25 12:48 PM] sidepipe#0000 But as long as thereโ€™s water on the CX, you might as well do what makes you the most money [01-Feb-25 12:49 PM] pagy1234#0000 il do some math tmr to figure out what the breaking point of H2O price is to justify making a base for it [01-Feb-25 12:49 PM] pagy1234#0000 even just a small one [01-Feb-25 12:49 PM] tanda#0000 I can definitely say I regret doing 1 STO here {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335321223009407006/image.png?ex=681513cc&is=6813c24c&hm=8a00c13a6439962367a64bbe9546e7a9cdce6bc7dcac6fc0995c57e597f4e504& [01-Feb-25 12:50 PM] jvaler#0000 ouch... a KI-401 flight is way worse than SE-110 lol [01-Feb-25 12:51 PM] sidepipe#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335321525825441843/image.png?ex=68151414&is=6813c294&hm=f3b48c911f021ce7915c976f1da153ed058cc48461aeaf851c0e3ece1aa57844& [01-Feb-25 12:51 PM] sidepipe#0000 this is why I want an HCB ๐Ÿ˜„ [01-Feb-25 12:51 PM] jvaler#0000 if you're gonna go for an ISA base you should probably be going all or nothing, due to the environmental construction costs that CM seems to make your ROI pretty terrible at low RIG counts [01-Feb-25 12:52 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm considering making a base on etherwind, just to run as governor [01-Feb-25 12:53 PM] sidepipe#0000 as an MP? [01-Feb-25 12:54 PM] laaxus#0000 Yes [01-Feb-25 12:54 PM] laaxus#0000 I can't coup the government without being elected yet [01-Feb-25 12:54 PM] laaxus#0000 Then etherwind will fully be part of antares [01-Feb-25 12:56 PM] pagy1234#0000 if i do DW with PE recipe, then adjust so that DW output is the same, I consume about 350 H2O less per day [01-Feb-25 12:56 PM] pagy1234#0000 down from 1800 to 1450 [01-Feb-25 12:57 PM] jvaler#0000 you gotta calculate if the reduction in recipe speed is worth the efficiency gain [01-Feb-25 12:57 PM] pagy1234#0000 wdym? [01-Feb-25 12:57 PM] jvaler#0000 well the PG recipe takes longer to run than the non-PG recipe, but it produces 10 DW instead of 7, so it's more efficient [01-Feb-25 12:57 PM] jvaler#0000 so you could be getting more DW per H2O, but it produces too much slower that it isn't worth that gain [01-Feb-25 12:58 PM] pagy1234#0000 il be making 500 less DW a day [01-Feb-25 12:59 PM] pagy1234#0000 but consuming just about 1400 H2O less a day [01-Feb-25 12:59 PM] jvaler#0000 prunplanner would show you if it's a profit/d gain or loss [01-Feb-25 01:00 PM] realharvey#0000 You mean pup? {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ ๐Ÿถ [01-Feb-25 01:00 PM] jvaler#0000 -.- [01-Feb-25 01:00 PM] pagy1234#0000 profit percentage is same [01-Feb-25 01:01 PM] pagy1234#0000 but raw is 37k more [01-Feb-25 01:01 PM] jvaler#0000 percentage? [01-Feb-25 01:02 PM] jvaler#0000 raw is better profit/d {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335324311892004936/image.png?ex=681516ad&is=6813c52d&hm=c14ccbc69b5e99e1f48afcf17c44767d11699ca68b48d5daac6136549d635b3b& [01-Feb-25 01:02 PM] pagy1234#0000 49.5% on 10 H2O -> 7 DW 50% on 10 H2O 1 PE -> 10 DW [01-Feb-25 01:03 PM] jvaler#0000 idk what these percentages are, are you looking at the recipe ratio? [01-Feb-25 01:03 PM] pagy1234#0000 profit persentage [01-Feb-25 01:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 do you mean like the margin on the DW? [01-Feb-25 01:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 i.e. profit / money spent on inputs? [01-Feb-25 01:03 PM] pagy1234#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335324724288295072/Screenshot_2025-02-02_at_3.03.25_AM.png?ex=6815170f&is=6813c58f&hm=ea70f578d1c9a272a86b7a4d933c2aab368521f9365d9332d4f5b865f126a9bf& [01-Feb-25 01:04 PM] jvaler#0000 oh lol [01-Feb-25 01:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 ahhh gotcha [01-Feb-25 01:04 PM] pagy1234#0000 no idea why mines 37 when PUP (prunplanner) says 49 [01-Feb-25 01:04 PM] jvaler#0000 prunplanner doesn't show margin % [01-Feb-25 01:04 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah but i did the math [01-Feb-25 01:04 PM] pagy1234#0000 profit / rev [01-Feb-25 01:05 PM] jvaler#0000 profit already accounts for revenue [01-Feb-25 01:05 PM] jvaler#0000 profit = revenue - cost [01-Feb-25 01:06 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah [01-Feb-25 01:06 PM] pagy1234#0000 but im looking for percentage [01-Feb-25 01:06 PM] pagy1234#0000 to see which one is more efficient [01-Feb-25 01:07 PM] realharvey#0000 Profit percentage is not as important as profit per day [01-Feb-25 01:07 PM] pagy1234#0000 raw recipe: 99000/198000 = 0.5 PE recipe: 136000/274000 = 0.496 [01-Feb-25 01:07 PM] realharvey#0000 Profit percentage would only be important if you can't pay for the things you need [01-Feb-25 01:08 PM] pagy1234#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335325989961601034/Screenshot_2025-02-02_at_3.08.40_AM.png?ex=6815183d&is=6813c6bd&hm=4d2f86ec28a51deddb5762b17d47c1060addabe38620c1ae7e11397ca25066d5& [01-Feb-25 01:08 PM] pagy1234#0000 should NOT be green [01-Feb-25 01:09 PM] pagy1234#0000 prolly missing context [01-Feb-25 01:09 PM] archielvahr#0000 How did you all get 0 AIC sections in your multi contracts? [01-Feb-25 01:09 PM] pagy1234#0000 ^ [01-Feb-25 01:10 PM] jvaler#0000 1 - (cost / revenue) = margin {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335326313711403039/image.png?ex=6815188a&is=6813c70a&hm=da8eb306e4172c0a63b4104a2f510ba63a450bf14b694e79496870a025daa3d4& [01-Feb-25 01:11 PM] pagy1234#0000 102000(your profit) / 352000(your rev) = 0.29 [01-Feb-25 01:12 PM] pagy1234#0000 same [01-Feb-25 01:12 PM] pagy1234#0000 just with diff numbers [01-Feb-25 01:12 PM] jvaler#0000 oh .-. [01-Feb-25 01:12 PM] jvaler#0000 i was confusing myself [01-Feb-25 01:13 PM] pagy1234#0000 lol ๐Ÿ˜† [01-Feb-25 01:13 PM] pagy1234#0000 happens [01-Feb-25 01:13 PM] jvaler#0000 0.01 AIC =P [01-Feb-25 01:13 PM] pagy1234#0000 wdym? [01-Feb-25 01:13 PM] archielvahr#0000 ahhhhhh ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ didn't think to try that. t hanks! [01-Feb-25 01:13 PM] pagy1234#0000 oh lol [01-Feb-25 01:14 PM] pagy1234#0000 so back to this, efficiency in terms of H2O is better with PE, in terms of margins its the same, in terms of pure money raw recipe is better [01-Feb-25 01:15 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah margins basically don't matter [01-Feb-25 01:16 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah [01-Feb-25 01:16 PM] manhim#0000 They might matter at the beginning, because it will cost less to build an inventory, which means that you can build more bases faster [01-Feb-25 01:16 PM] pagy1234#0000 il stick to my recipe [01-Feb-25 01:17 PM] pagy1234#0000 this is what I was thinking about, but if I can get more total money, the margins isnt super important unless theres a massive discrepancy in it [01-Feb-25 01:17 PM] realharvey#0000 If you make more profit per day you build bases faster ๐Ÿ‘€ [01-Feb-25 01:18 PM] manhim#0000 If you need 5m of inventory to last 2 weeks VS 0.5m of inventory, it means that you could build 2 more bases {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [01-Feb-25 01:18 PM] manhim#0000 But yeah, profit need to be considered, but there are lots of strategies. Like optimizing logistics. [01-Feb-25 01:25 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, early on margins are super important because you wanna turn your 100k AIC into 150k AIC as fast as possible. Later on, that shifts because money is much less of a limitation, so if you can invest 200k at a 50% margin, or 1.5M at a 20% margin, it's better to choose the second one because you make more money even though it's less capital efficient. At least, that's how I like to think about it [01-Feb-25 01:26 PM] sidepipe#0000 As you get larger, it's less about earning the best return on your limited investment, and more about earning _any_ return on as much of your money as possible [01-Feb-25 01:26 PM] realharvey#0000 Well in that case ROI of a base with a recipe is still way more worth than actual Margin. ๐Ÿ˜… [01-Feb-25 01:27 PM] manhim#0000 Yeah, I've been building up my inventories from 14 to 21 days on all my bases and I haven't been able to build a new base with my own money in 7 weeks ๐Ÿ˜… [01-Feb-25 01:27 PM] tanda#0000 my third most profitable base runs an 18% margin [01-Feb-25 01:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 I'm kinda in a similar situation - as profits go up, margins tend to go down (ignore the bottom 5 bases, some of them are getting rebuilt / resupplied ๐Ÿ˜„ ) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335331088003891241/image.png?ex=6814743c&is=681322bc&hm=251c6dc5555d6f6a4d3f86a9733121b36c4fe2a22943d86b32bff37f35b217ce& [01-Feb-25 01:29 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335331231566532669/image.png?ex=6814745e&is=681322de&hm=c71df703f6bc835344a3ea1849f8748a5558c1d082e5a7bee25c2190e4e5570f& [01-Feb-25 01:29 PM] manhim#0000 My most profitable base is my O extraction half permit base with 90% margin ๐Ÿคฃ [01-Feb-25 01:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 Sort of, but you need to look at the ROI in combination with the actual investment you're earning a return on (if I'm understanding you correctly) [01-Feb-25 01:32 PM] jvaler#0000 resource extraction bases kinda game the margin lol [01-Feb-25 01:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 turns out pulling rocks out of the ground and selling them is basically free money? ๐Ÿ˜› [01-Feb-25 01:33 PM] jvaler#0000 lmfao [01-Feb-25 01:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 is KI-401d your AR tap? those are some really nice numbers [01-Feb-25 01:34 PM] jvaler#0000 AR market is spiked rn [01-Feb-25 01:34 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜” [01-Feb-25 01:35 PM] tanda#0000 yes, that's my AR tap. I was shocked to see the profit on it [01-Feb-25 01:36 PM] tanda#0000 I guess it makes up for ALL of my INS bases making sub 70k now [01-Feb-25 01:43 PM] evov#0000 imo, the 2 numbers that make the most sense when looking at the "value" of a base. 1. RoI - How long does it take to generate profits equal to the cost of the base. 2. $ / Area / Day - How much profit per day can I make from the use of the permit. There is tension between these two numbers. Generally... the lower tier / cheaper bases have better RoI, but worse $/Area/Day. Higher tier bases will earn more $ for your permit, but cost a lot more to set up. Which number makes more sense to use, depends on the cost of your next permit. As a really rough guide - I would say if you're <20 permits - focus on RoI - As you get more than 20 permits - Start looking more closely at $/Area/Day. Once you're 30+ permits, you no longer care what the cost of the base is to set up because your permits will cost more than double whatever base you might want to build. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [01-Feb-25 01:54 PM] manhim#0000 As long as we don't look at shipping costs ๐Ÿ˜… [01-Feb-25 03:06 PM] pxlfox.#0000 the shipping costs are not really the problem [01-Feb-25 03:06 PM] pxlfox.#0000 the shipping capacity is [01-Feb-25 03:08 PM] pxlfox.#0000 a full EXT base often needs at least one WCB full time to transport the ores [01-Feb-25 03:08 PM] pxlfox.#0000 but one EXT base can support 2-3 SME bases, depending on the ore [01-Feb-25 03:10 PM] pxlfox.#0000 it kinda is - margin and ROI are great, except the actual profit is relatively small (mostly around 50k a day) [01-Feb-25 03:10 PM] pxlfox.#0000 and again, you can't let them sit too long, because they will fill up quite quickly [01-Feb-25 03:11 PM] pxlfox.#0000 even the less efficient EXT bases need an export visit every 3-4 days [01-Feb-25 03:14 PM] pxlfox.#0000 On that note... I kinda working on something to make ores fun again. And support the ANT region, too. More as soon as I have more concrete to show for [01-Feb-25 03:17 PM] jvaler#0000 shipping capacity = shipping cost tho lol [01-Feb-25 03:17 PM] manhim#0000 Yeah, going over capacity forces you to buy more ships / downscale logistics [01-Feb-25 03:18 PM] manhim#0000 Then you have fuel and ship repairs [01-Feb-25 03:18 PM] jvaler#0000 or pay for LM shipping [01-Feb-25 03:18 PM] manhim#0000 True [01-Feb-25 03:20 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I take shipping costs as the actual amount you have to pay to transport the materials from A to B (fuel + repairs) Shipping capacity is what my company effectively can transport in a period of time, mostly limited by the amount of ships I have or vacant space on other ships on that route [01-Feb-25 03:20 PM] pxlfox.#0000 (a.k.a. LM ads) [01-Feb-25 03:21 PM] pxlfox.#0000 those definetly correlate, but what I want to say is - if you have the capacity, it's not that expensive to ship the ores. {Reactions} true [01-Feb-25 03:21 PM] pxlfox.#0000 the hard part is to have the ships to transport it [02-Feb-25 02:25 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335526512367243334/Screenshot_20250202-092518.png?ex=6814817d&is=68132ffd&hm=1d65817bb86f88b14e59c108749c5db99e57b1e29c66508f32205feb7a64f930& [02-Feb-25 02:25 AM] laaxus#0000 @Market Alerts [02-Feb-25 02:26 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335526687852597409/image0.gif?ex=681481a7&is=68133027&hm=6824268999f961a11e6474a8aed21ae38e61c4eaf79916eea938550d8451b5ee& [02-Feb-25 02:26 AM] laaxus#0000 Evov bought the entire market [02-Feb-25 02:26 AM] evov#0000 Yea, I was running low. Thought about building a base. But it was just cheaper to buy out all the PSL/PSM and set the price nice and high. Hopefully other people start to build bases for it to get the supply back up. [02-Feb-25 02:27 AM] jcheung#0000 Well [02-Feb-25 02:27 AM] laaxus#0000 I have a PPF working full Time on psm pss [02-Feb-25 02:27 AM] laaxus#0000 Switching to full psl for a while [02-Feb-25 02:27 AM] jcheung#0000 I guess i can dial back psm and make more psl [02-Feb-25 02:27 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Soonโ„ข๏ธ [02-Feb-25 02:28 AM] jcheung#0000 The price of pg has been rough [02-Feb-25 02:28 AM] evov#0000 Yea, I have a base making the stuff too. But it's not enough. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335527152027963484/image.png?ex=68148215&is=68133095&hm=ddae46c5dbc1173d521d4612f252f16913646bc24a6ca9b6a7727bdf8bf8a635& [02-Feb-25 02:29 AM] evov#0000 So for anyone who does make it, and sells it on the open market. You're welcome. [02-Feb-25 02:30 AM] laaxus#0000 Honestly, the best way for people to switch production is putting a large profitable bid [02-Feb-25 02:30 AM] laaxus#0000 Like lazycorp did for fim [02-Feb-25 02:31 AM] evov#0000 I've been putting bids up every week and they rarely get filled. Pretty sure this way will actually increase production. And if it doesn't..... I'll build another base myself. [02-Feb-25 02:36 AM] evov#0000 Look on the bright side. I cleaned out all the other CX's as well and most of their stuff will find its way back in to ANT space ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [02-Feb-25 02:39 AM] laaxus#0000 All the psl I was selling came from ben [02-Feb-25 02:40 AM] evov#0000 On a very related note - if anyone wants to build a base to produce PFF products - I'll gladly buy all the output on site if you build it at IA-151c ๐Ÿ™‚ [02-Feb-25 02:44 AM] evov#0000 If PG is a concern, there's a chem planet next door on IA-151d. They're less than 1 day's flight from ANT and HRT, and I have a very strong feeling that at some point, there'll be a gateway linking that system back to ANT. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [02-Feb-25 04:28 AM] laaxus#0000 If anybody has a ship idling @ ANT, I put two shipping contract on the LM [02-Feb-25 04:28 AM] laaxus#0000 cargo is less than 500/500, so a starting ship is ok too [02-Feb-25 04:28 AM] laaxus#0000 total price is 10k [02-Feb-25 04:29 AM] laaxus#0000 Destination is Aceland, so the round trip should take less than 24h [02-Feb-25 06:32 AM] pxlfox.#0000 are we missing something? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335588594114367589/image.png?ex=6814bb4e&is=681369ce&hm=d012e35bc20776fa4b201c4d96fd4ecd9751237046be4f34aa4ec21ddc75cb45& [02-Feb-25 06:36 AM] laaxus#0000 this guy should just put 30k and use darkfuel [02-Feb-25 06:36 AM] laaxus#0000 it would be faster [02-Feb-25 06:36 AM] laaxus#0000 it would cost him less [02-Feb-25 06:37 AM] laaxus#0000 it would not flood the LM [02-Feb-25 07:33 AM] jvaler#0000 reminder for everyone that i sell PSL in my offers [02-Feb-25 08:07 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm starting to understand evov business model [02-Feb-25 08:07 AM] laaxus#0000 it's extremely frustrating not being able to do things because you're constrained by your ships [02-Feb-25 08:18 AM] evov#0000 I have a business model? [02-Feb-25 08:32 AM] laaxus#0000 Selling at a higher Price, in exchange for quick delivery [02-Feb-25 08:39 AM] evov#0000 When I saw months long waiting lists for ships... I figured someone needed to do something about it. Waiting weeks, never mind months for something you need is just silly. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™ [02-Feb-25 10:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 kinda sucks {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335648128610865193/Screenshot_2025-02-03_at_12.28.41_AM.png?ex=6814f2c1&is=6813a141&hm=4c121ea4e8c563a3e377a7851dd03c8995e5ecebf9b5a65d433db687ee3b35d3& [02-Feb-25 10:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 dont know where it all went [02-Feb-25 10:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 had to sell of some of my stocks of VEG and ALG to pay off loans [02-Feb-25 10:30 AM] pagy1234#0000 ๐Ÿ˜• [02-Feb-25 10:32 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Just means you're keeping it invested ๐Ÿ™‚ [02-Feb-25 10:33 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Cash balances don't grow on their own. [02-Feb-25 10:33 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 also, you can covert that CIS and ICA into AIC ๐Ÿ™‚ [02-Feb-25 10:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 updated my spreadsheet to calculate DW and RAT production and profit, were some errors in consumables spending before that should be resolved. [02-Feb-25 10:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LxYMZvBJPPsOvtl8-1L37cfet-XMXGFE6Wk699CagAo/edit?usp=sharing {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LxYMZvBJPPsOvtl8-1L37cfet-XMXGFE6Wk699CagAo/edit?usp=sharing Norwick base calc https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/YxcFk2Y1eujbNta8n7epwBF9BCUWNFNYOhthsk2FfpE/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyK-awRVdJWKjIcYPEPL70ifFSxvvtQ1L6uIkYxWBtG5g1BNaZVWpbGIroKeTzaiJbpWiJlPGmOOOgLvMPSxE3sGutHZIDp6g801cmNQrtHqMuCmhgiE%3Dw1200-h630-p [02-Feb-25 10:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 situation doesnt look good tho [02-Feb-25 11:00 AM] pagy1234#0000 (imo) [02-Feb-25 11:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 with this 63k profit [02-Feb-25 11:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 I make ~440k a week [02-Feb-25 11:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 loans add up to 410k a week :D [02-Feb-25 11:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 I get 30k a week to spend on fuel (I far exceed that) [02-Feb-25 11:02 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 thats a lot of loans at this scale... [02-Feb-25 11:02 AM] jvaler#0000 guh [02-Feb-25 11:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah D: [02-Feb-25 11:02 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 DW's price tanking isn't going to help you either. [02-Feb-25 11:02 AM] jvaler#0000 what/where did you get these loans? 410k in repayment/wk on only 2 bases is absurd [02-Feb-25 11:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 135k from ship upgrade , 280k from bulk buying VEG and ALG to allow for rat production [02-Feb-25 11:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 long term it all works out [02-Feb-25 11:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 but timeframe on loans is too short {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [02-Feb-25 11:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 especially the second one [02-Feb-25 11:03 AM] jvaler#0000 2.8mil just to buy agri inputs? how much did you get? [02-Feb-25 11:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 200k /5d for 4 payments {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’€ (3) ๐Ÿ˜ญ [02-Feb-25 11:04 AM] pagy1234#0000 2k alg, 2k veg [02-Feb-25 11:04 AM] jvaler#0000 that's only 900k of value [02-Feb-25 11:04 AM] pagy1234#0000 luckily im already half repayed on that one [02-Feb-25 11:04 AM] jvaler#0000 where'd the other 1.9mil go? [02-Feb-25 11:04 AM] pagy1234#0000 whered you get 1.9 mil from [02-Feb-25 11:05 AM] jvaler#0000 you said 280k for VEG & ALG [02-Feb-25 11:05 AM] jvaler#0000 or wait [02-Feb-25 11:05 AM] pagy1234#0000 280k PER week [02-Feb-25 11:05 AM] jvaler#0000 ohhh i was confused cause you said 135k for the ship but it's 1.35mil total [02-Feb-25 11:05 AM] jvaler#0000 so i thought it was a typo [02-Feb-25 11:05 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh mb mb [02-Feb-25 11:06 AM] jvaler#0000 okay this makes way more sense. that's just a really short repayment period ๐Ÿ˜ญ [02-Feb-25 11:06 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah lol [02-Feb-25 11:06 AM] pagy1234#0000 idk why i did that [02-Feb-25 11:07 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 clearly, you need a loan to get out of your loans ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿฆˆ [02-Feb-25 11:07 AM] igfloz#0000 I can spot you 100K AIC - no loan requirements if it helps ? [02-Feb-25 11:07 AM] pagy1234#0000 I should be able sell some parts of the 2k alg and 2k veg to cover loans in emergency [02-Feb-25 11:07 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh nah its fine [02-Feb-25 11:07 AM] pagy1234#0000 i dont wanna feel in debt to more ppl [02-Feb-25 11:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 lol [02-Feb-25 11:08 AM] jvaler#0000 should add up to 385k/wk tho cause the 135k WCB payments are every 10 days not 7 [02-Feb-25 11:08 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Right around christmas several random people in global just dropped 100k on me out of nowhere just because I was new. (In addition to the AGP) [02-Feb-25 11:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh wait are they? [02-Feb-25 11:08 AM] jvaler#0000 ya [02-Feb-25 11:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh yeah mb then [02-Feb-25 11:09 AM] jvaler#0000 9 payments of 135k every 10 days, lets me make a 90d repayment period [02-Feb-25 11:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 still not a great line to balance on [02-Feb-25 11:09 AM] jvaler#0000 yeah... [02-Feb-25 11:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 thats 55k to get per week {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฟ [02-Feb-25 11:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 i should be good on fuel for just this week [02-Feb-25 11:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 about 3k SF and 3k FF sitting around various storages [02-Feb-25 11:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 and another 1.5k SF and 500 FF in ships [02-Feb-25 11:13 AM] sidepipe#0000 If you're having trouble with the payments for the agri inputs, just lmk - I don't wanna bankrupt you over some plants ๐Ÿ˜„ [02-Feb-25 11:15 AM] sidepipe#0000 idk if you can pay on loans after your trial expires, but we can extend the loan anyway and find out haha [02-Feb-25 11:15 AM] jvaler#0000 it should... cause the limitation is just that you can't send or accept player conts [02-Feb-25 11:16 AM] sidepipe#0000 @pagy1234 if you're interested in "refinancing" that, let me know - I'll just send you another 0 interest loan for the 400k you have left, but over a much longer period so the payments are smaller [02-Feb-25 11:18 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah that would be great, If I could spread out to 400k into 4 payments of 100k sread out over 4 weeks then that would be perfect [02-Feb-25 11:18 AM] pagy1234#0000 would give me a bit of breathing room should DW go any lower [02-Feb-25 11:19 AM] sidepipe#0000 how about 8 weeks of 50k? [02-Feb-25 11:19 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah sure, that works aswell :D [02-Feb-25 11:19 AM] sidepipe#0000 since you're not doing a full FP RAT base, that'll give you plenty of time to chew through the stuff while mostly focusing on DW [02-Feb-25 11:20 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah [02-Feb-25 11:20 AM] pagy1234#0000 should I send you the cont? [02-Feb-25 11:20 AM] sidepipe#0000 nah, I got it ๐Ÿ™‚ [02-Feb-25 11:20 AM] pagy1234#0000 damn, thanks alot [02-Feb-25 11:21 AM] sidepipe#0000 sorry for the mildly predatory payments. I kinda just said 800k over 4 weeks without thinking about what that actually looks like at your scale ๐Ÿ˜… [02-Feb-25 11:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 nah its chill, it would have been perfectly manageable if DW didnt hit the fan [02-Feb-25 11:22 AM] realharvey#0000 sidepipe putting people in financial struggles is not a story I expected to hear :D [02-Feb-25 11:22 AM] sidepipe#0000 I gotta balance out the good karma from ADI somehow ๐Ÿ˜› [02-Feb-25 11:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 hahaha [02-Feb-25 11:24 AM] jvaler#0000 oh wait sheesh {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335662024096612404/image.png?ex=6814ffb1&is=6813ae31&hm=5cf2a705526735cf49b432dc786ec5b7f3bd032da6d2cbe7cbbfd46eebebb9f1& [02-Feb-25 11:24 AM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/evil-dog-gif-21703011 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/evil-dog-gif-21703011 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/wcCQpAxvF3qKXNFBjLy0qYWtNGCrmenTihe20jDsKt4/https/media.tenor.com/jCb9xDFWq2oAAAAe/evil-dog.png [02-Feb-25 11:24 AM] realharvey#0000 hey wanna buy some veggis? I am just going to bankrupt you. No worries. [02-Feb-25 11:24 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Yeah. that. [02-Feb-25 11:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 yep lol [02-Feb-25 11:24 AM] realharvey#0000 its doing the same thing it did almost a year ago when I started [02-Feb-25 11:24 AM] jvaler#0000 i should probably plop my 40k DW on the CX... or i can hold [02-Feb-25 11:25 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Its wrecking havock with me planning base #3 ๐Ÿ™‚ [02-Feb-25 11:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 its only going to keep loosing value [02-Feb-25 11:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 unles you hold for a loooooooong time [02-Feb-25 11:25 AM] jvaler#0000 thinking about that lolol [02-Feb-25 11:25 AM] jvaler#0000 6 months from now i drop 500k DW on the CX for the lolz [02-Feb-25 11:25 AM] sidepipe#0000 maybe instead of refinancing appletree, I should buy several million of DW to drive the price up {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) ๐Ÿ’ฐ [02-Feb-25 11:26 AM] sidepipe#0000 since I'm in my villain era now [02-Feb-25 11:27 AM] sidepipe#0000 @pagy1234 sent ya the refinance, just pay off the old loan with the new one and we'll pretend this never happened ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐ŸŸ ๐Ÿฆˆ [02-Feb-25 11:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 thank you so much :D [02-Feb-25 12:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well I guess everyone should pivot to RAT instead of DW lol [02-Feb-25 12:14 PM] pxlfox.#0000 there goes that plan [02-Feb-25 01:31 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335694094210568232/image.png?ex=681474d0&is=68132350&hm=bf254bd60b22b2f3709b4df728c26068ba3b32375786d3b5aa76c9eef7ae954c& [02-Feb-25 01:31 PM] tanda#0000 uhoh. There goes a good customer [02-Feb-25 01:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Who was that? [02-Feb-25 01:35 PM] tanda#0000 someone who was regularly buying TCS and THP from me over the last 6 months [02-Feb-25 01:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh sorry I meant like USR not company name [02-Feb-25 01:36 PM] laaxus#0000 ROGUE LIQUIDATED ? [02-Feb-25 01:36 PM] laaxus#0000 Sadge {Reactions} givelove [02-Feb-25 01:36 PM] laaxus#0000 I remember how I used to fight with him over the cloth market [02-Feb-25 01:46 PM] jcheung#0000 could have spoken up here instead [02-Feb-25 01:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think sidepipe took care of him [02-Feb-25 01:53 PM] sidepipe#0000 yeah, I'm the one who gave him the loans and ALG/VEG in the first place ๐Ÿ˜… [02-Feb-25 01:53 PM] jcheung#0000 i was under the impression that 'had' was past tense, already did it [02-Feb-25 02:18 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I feel like this is a @Market Alerts {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335705841537650700/image.png?ex=68147fc0&is=68132e40&hm=272b2bdcb7dff6bee05d0e90d1db85b9b11f5d39cb84caaa78d61806ad06724d& [02-Feb-25 02:18 PM] realharvey#0000 We got a MM so this is fine ๐Ÿ˜… {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (4) [02-Feb-25 02:22 PM] igfloz#0000 ...a little expensive, but fine, we won't run out of available RAT [02-Feb-25 02:22 PM] igfloz#0000 I won't be surprised if RAT takes a similar turn to DW in the next week or so [02-Feb-25 02:23 PM] tanda#0000 There's multiple RAT/HYF/H2O bases that went up this last week [02-Feb-25 02:23 PM] tanda#0000 people are reacting to it [02-Feb-25 02:24 PM] tanda#0000 You can kinda tell where they went up, too. Just by looking at the state of the INS market {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335707384898785404/image.png?ex=68148130&is=68132fb0&hm=a606ae17bcec38972e49060571fd90083dd640c31615e7586e905689a9db0200& [02-Feb-25 02:24 PM] jvaler#0000 ooh good, i'm just about to plop 50k INS on the market [02-Feb-25 02:32 PM] roche3950#0000 yeah, RAT pressure is going to be relieved soon [02-Feb-25 02:33 PM] roche3950#0000 DW pressure is lightly solved iirc [02-Feb-25 02:33 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Oh, this is one reason why my (some plans for) new bases costs looked out of whack as I've been planning what to do with #3. [02-Feb-25 02:34 PM] tanda#0000 It's only a 12-15 point difference, but it adds up [02-Feb-25 02:35 PM] tanda#0000 Still better than BEN and HRT {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335710318072041543/image.png?ex=681483ec&is=6813326c&hm=d4f124f07d4e1462a68380bb13b0f6822dcc37c1a6ecb1869f1c0bec661841ce& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335710318483210250/image.png?ex=681483ec&is=6813326c&hm=a98015dfc7302fe983fa0cd1860eb70b3f11744ceacc46ed09f7fd2ff4d07574& [02-Feb-25 02:36 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Well, its still thousands of units, and I'm still quite small. [02-Feb-25 02:39 PM] tanda#0000 Just keep in mind there's an internal market. Nobody in ADI should be paying market rates on INS [02-Feb-25 02:39 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 But I think the bigger issue is just needing INS to begin with. [02-Feb-25 02:39 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, INS is still half a mil to the cost of a new base even when it is really cheap [02-Feb-25 02:40 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Ah, yes, once I know what I'm doing I'll definately hit you up [02-Feb-25 02:40 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I still have some area left in my first two bases so I'm filling that in first. [02-Feb-25 02:41 PM] tanda#0000 that is a good call [02-Feb-25 02:42 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Then its either water from Ice station alpha, a chem base that has a few possibilities, or 1-2 other ideas that are pretty absurd and probably not great at this stage. [02-Feb-25 02:42 PM] igfloz#0000 indeed, get your current maximized 1st is a very good idea. No need to waste permits on expanding, just maximize the 500 area [02-Feb-25 02:42 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Yeah, I'm at like 400 and 450 though (and can optimize a small amount within that by trading out old buildings for more optimal ones). I'll be over 1M weekly revenue next week (just barely missed it this week) with a large chunk (40-50%) of that being profit. So, AGP success story I guess. [02-Feb-25 02:43 PM] igfloz#0000 very nice !! [02-Feb-25 02:52 PM] igfloz#0000 It's also worth noting (as Tanda has indicated) - whatever Prunplanner indicates as the cost for a new base build can be mitigated somewhat with internal offers [02-Feb-25 03:04 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 yeah, down to 100 for INS (tanda's listed price) would be... nice. [02-Feb-25 03:04 PM] tanda#0000 I've been giving thought to going lower. ADI doesn't make up the bulk of my volume right now [03-Feb-25 12:59 AM] evov#0000 Got my first HCB (5k5k cargo bay) rolling off the line in 1day, 10hrs. So, about 2 days from now I'll have a 5k5k ship available to sell. I've had a number of people wanting to pre-buy them, or put orders in for the ships before they're built. But that's not how I roll. So I'm trying to figure out how I should sell/distribute the first few of these in-demand prestige (at the moment) ships. Looking for thoughts ideas on any of the following. A. Public auction - Open up for bids each time a ship rolls off the line. Highest bid in a 24hr window gets the ship. (Seems kinda interesting and fun) B. Change (increase) the price until the demand for the ship matches my capacity to supply. (The free market maximalist in me thinks this makes sense as I worship at the altar of supply and demand) C. Hold to what I expect my long term pricing to be, but prioritize access to ships based on my level of interaction with people in game. i.e. people that are part of my projects or that I regularly colaborate with. ( Most likely first purchase options will go to people who joined me in the IA project ) D. Avoid the drama and just make them for myself until the market levels out and other suppliers are also meeting demand. [03-Feb-25 01:06 AM] jcheung#0000 auction for the first few would probably be good [03-Feb-25 01:06 AM] jcheung#0000 maybe like... first 10 [03-Feb-25 01:06 AM] jcheung#0000 but instead of 24 hrs, do it as ending 12 hrs after last bid [03-Feb-25 01:06 AM] jcheung#0000 so people aren't stressed about sleep [03-Feb-25 01:07 AM] jcheung#0000 minimum price increase of.... 10% or 250k, whichever is higher to stop trolls [03-Feb-25 01:08 AM] jcheung#0000 then swap to C or D [03-Feb-25 01:08 AM] jcheung#0000 at least that's my two cents [03-Feb-25 01:08 AM] evov#0000 Yea, I've given zero thought as to how to actually run an auction. But it seemed like a fun (and economically relevant option) [03-Feb-25 01:09 AM] jcheung#0000 i'm not super familiar with auctions either, but i do know that when it involves the world.... [03-Feb-25 01:09 AM] jcheung#0000 having it end too fast makes people upset [03-Feb-25 01:09 AM] jcheung#0000 like something else that could be done is, uh... [03-Feb-25 01:10 AM] evov#0000 I feel like an open bidding option would be cool, but some sort of discord tool would be needed for it probably. The easy option would just be - msg me your bid. Top bid in the next 24 hrs over the min price wins. [03-Feb-25 01:11 AM] jcheung#0000 i'm sure there's a name for it, but player A gives a max price thay're willing to pay. current bid increases by 250k player B gives a max price. it's under A's. current bid increases to B + 250k player C gives a max price. higher than A's. current bid increases to A + 250k, and C's max is something higher [03-Feb-25 02:48 AM] realharvey#0000 Your second option sounds like the best way to do it. It's still fair and way less tedious. Also more potential profit for you. What would be the minimum bid? [03-Feb-25 02:49 AM] laaxus#0000 why not just creating a thread and let everybody compete ? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [03-Feb-25 02:56 AM] realharvey#0000 because timezones make stuff weird [03-Feb-25 03:03 AM] evov#0000 Settled down price for the ships will be about 11mil / ship I think. It's just right now, WAL price is stupid high and there's a lot of excitement/prestiege etc. So no idea how to price the first couple - but eventually price (from me at least) will trend towards 11mil. I've heard other people mention similar prices. [03-Feb-25 03:04 AM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335898687741624370/image.png?ex=68148a9a&is=6813391a&hm=2c01ce258d672214c34d47b38a3e43a40f947c413afc49e93098d38312d5b709& [03-Feb-25 03:21 AM] realharvey#0000 Thats an insane price per HCB then. But yeah novelty product [03-Feb-25 03:21 AM] realharvey#0000 You don't reaaally need it. [03-Feb-25 03:22 AM] realharvey#0000 On the other hand it's better than 2 2k2ks just way less flexible [03-Feb-25 03:22 AM] realharvey#0000 Good for construction and metallurgy [03-Feb-25 03:33 AM] evov#0000 Yea, the HCB is a lot more expensive. And the extra size uses a lot more Field emitters, more LHP, more SSC etc. CQL vs CQM also adds a bit. So there's a few area's that impact the cost difference. [03-Feb-25 05:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 A first cuz it will be fun, with some option D in between cuz i assume that these 5k/5k ships will go for absurd amounts, then do B cuz money is nice [03-Feb-25 05:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 (Just my uneducated opinion ๐Ÿ˜›) [03-Feb-25 05:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I need them for rocks ๐Ÿ˜ตโ€๐Ÿ’ซ [03-Feb-25 06:08 AM] tanda#0000 hmm, MFK is still basically blasted off the market and nobody is producing it? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1335945082603307079/image.png?ex=6814b5d0&is=68136450&hm=78fd03f67f96f9e848182c7f45eb339634fb7772f3bfa75b7ec5878bf5d7b808& [03-Feb-25 06:09 AM] tanda#0000 Good thing I bought out MOR [03-Feb-25 06:54 AM] laaxus#0000 I LOVE buying out MOR for SFK / MFK [03-Feb-25 07:32 AM] jvaler#0000 should i? now that i've got vulcan available [03-Feb-25 08:21 AM] roche3950#0000 Open bidding would be cool bc it creates price transparency [03-Feb-25 08:29 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I believe it is a "second price auction" (with a minimum bid increase) [03-Feb-25 08:33 AM] pagy1234#0000 if you have something like the time only ends 12h after the most recent bid then it should be fine no? [03-Feb-25 08:33 AM] pagy1234#0000 someone can go to sleep after placing their bid then still wake up to place a higher one if they got beat [03-Feb-25 08:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 might take a few days to end, but i dont think theres a way around that [03-Feb-25 08:34 AM] jcheung#0000 That's my suggestion, but evov isn't required to do what i say ๐Ÿ˜œ [03-Feb-25 08:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah fair enough [03-Feb-25 08:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh yeah mb [03-Feb-25 08:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 didnt scroll up that far ๐Ÿ˜† [03-Feb-25 08:35 AM] realharvey#0000 It will make the bidding process just unnecessary longer in my opinion [03-Feb-25 08:36 AM] realharvey#0000 when there are completly different timezones bidding just the minimum increase it could take multiple days, because there will be only 1-2 bids while both are present at the same time [03-Feb-25 08:37 AM] realharvey#0000 Just give your maximum bid to Evo and the job is done. Less busywork and quicker results. Not as fancy but gets the job done [03-Feb-25 08:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 well the next ships wont be ready for some time right? could just open like 2 or 3 auctions and by the time they are over the ships might be ready [03-Feb-25 08:38 AM] pagy1234#0000 meh, fair enough ig, kinda boring tho (as a spectator) [03-Feb-25 08:40 AM] jcheung#0000 hence my other option of second price auction, you bid your limit but don't get screwed if your limit is a lot higher than everyone else's [03-Feb-25 08:42 AM] pagy1234#0000 then cant some people just say like 100mil to guarantee the ship and just pay what ever the significatly lower price of the second one is? [03-Feb-25 08:43 AM] jcheung#0000 as long as they're willing to take the risk of someone offering 99m and they have to pay 99.25m {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [03-Feb-25 08:57 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Yeah, you can say 100M, but you have to be ready to pay 100M when you say that. (For example, if you bid 100M first and a second person also bids 100M, but later than you did). {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† ๐Ÿ‘ [03-Feb-25 08:58 AM] realharvey#0000 Why would Evo not take the Extraprofit? :D Evo reacts to the current marketconditions and if he can make profit with that he takes it. [03-Feb-25 08:58 AM] jcheung#0000 because it looks like they settled in on a different option? [03-Feb-25 08:59 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 The nice thing about second price is that, generally, you only need one bid (the max willingness to pay) from each bidder. You don't need timeouts for the next person to bid. [03-Feb-25 08:59 AM] laaxus#0000 Honestly, the system should be : - everybody offers their highest bid - the highest bidder must pay the second highest bid + 1% [03-Feb-25 08:59 AM] laaxus#0000 You can't make it simpler [03-Feb-25 08:59 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 You're assuming no tie bids, but otherwise yes. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [03-Feb-25 08:59 AM] laaxus#0000 and it's fair [03-Feb-25 09:00 AM] jcheung#0000 you also assume that people with money catch wind of that auction in only 24 hrs [03-Feb-25 09:00 AM] laaxus#0000 In case of tie for the highest bid, just inform there's a tie to the highest bidder, and restart at step 1 (with only the selected people) [03-Feb-25 09:00 AM] jcheung#0000 i mean [03-Feb-25 09:01 AM] jcheung#0000 at that point it's better to just take the tie bids and ask who wants it more [03-Feb-25 09:01 AM] jcheung#0000 if you restart at step 1 you risk getting less money [03-Feb-25 09:01 AM] jcheung#0000 like if it ties at 20m and you restart, they just bid 10m and walk off [03-Feb-25 09:02 AM] laaxus#0000 that's unlikely [03-Feb-25 09:02 AM] laaxus#0000 or just decide that the oldest bid wins over the newest one [03-Feb-25 09:02 AM] laaxus#0000 as a tie breaker [03-Feb-25 09:02 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Yes (and they pay their max rather than max+1%) [03-Feb-25 09:02 AM] jcheung#0000 can't do that in a set time frame [03-Feb-25 09:02 AM] laaxus#0000 why not [03-Feb-25 09:03 AM] laaxus#0000 a tie breaker is a tie breaker If you really wanted it more, you just had to put a higher bid [03-Feb-25 09:03 AM] laaxus#0000 ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [03-Feb-25 09:03 AM] jcheung#0000 because if it's 24 hrs blind auction, it's unfair to someone who was sleeping at the start [03-Feb-25 09:03 AM] laaxus#0000 no [03-Feb-25 09:03 AM] laaxus#0000 again [03-Feb-25 09:03 AM] laaxus#0000 if he really wanted it more [03-Feb-25 09:04 AM] laaxus#0000 he would have put a higher bid [03-Feb-25 09:04 AM] realharvey#0000 Evo can make his own rules. Wether they are fair or not does not matter ultimately {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) ๐Ÿ‘† [03-Feb-25 09:04 AM] jcheung#0000 that doesn't work when you don't know what the high bid is [03-Feb-25 09:04 AM] laaxus#0000 ofc you can [03-Feb-25 09:04 AM] laaxus#0000 just put the bid at the highest cost you'd be ready to pay it for [03-Feb-25 09:04 AM] laaxus#0000 by that definition [03-Feb-25 09:05 AM] jcheung#0000 and if you're sleeping at auction start, but someone else who's willing to pay the same amount isn't... [03-Feb-25 09:05 AM] laaxus#0000 you should not be unhappy if the ship goes away at that max price [03-Feb-25 09:05 AM] jcheung#0000 that isn't fair to you to have your bid undercut just because they submitted it earlier [03-Feb-25 09:05 AM] laaxus#0000 again, by definition, max price means no welfare gain [03-Feb-25 09:05 AM] laaxus#0000 at max price, he didn't earned any happiness [03-Feb-25 09:05 AM] laaxus#0000 at max price + 1, he would have lossed 1 worth [03-Feb-25 09:06 AM] laaxus#0000 at max price - 1, he would have earned 1 [03-Feb-25 09:06 AM] laaxus#0000 but at max price [03-Feb-25 09:06 AM] laaxus#0000 the buyer consider the money and the ship are strictly equivalent [03-Feb-25 09:06 AM] laaxus#0000 therefore [03-Feb-25 09:06 AM] laaxus#0000 the buyer should not care if the ship goes to someone else at max price [03-Feb-25 09:06 AM] laaxus#0000 if he's unhappy [03-Feb-25 09:06 AM] laaxus#0000 then he just put an inappropriate max bid [03-Feb-25 09:06 AM] laaxus#0000 and that's his fault [03-Feb-25 09:14 AM] jcheung#0000 to the seller. but it's unfair to the buyer. [03-Feb-25 09:14 AM] laaxus#0000 no no, to the buyer [03-Feb-25 09:14 AM] laaxus#0000 the seller has nothing to do with this [03-Feb-25 09:25 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Imagine you are buying a bag of cookies via this mechanism. You should bid what you think the cookies are worth. If you think they are worth $5 to you, you bid that. In this case, you pay at most $5 and get a bag of cookies, if you pay less, you are explicitly happy ($5 worth of cookies for only $4!). If you don't win the auction, you still have your $5 and are no worse off. In particular, you are not unhappy because you didn't pay $8 for cookies that only give you $5 of enjoyment. [03-Feb-25 09:28 AM] realharvey#0000 First come first serve is happening in a lot of scenarios in the world. It's unfair yes, but a necessary evil. When you go to a supermarket and want to buy something at a discount it's possible that someone else bought it first. [03-Feb-25 10:44 AM] brelov#0000 Funny green line go up. Tomorrow I shall have 6 more FRMs and restock on luxury goods {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [03-Feb-25 02:03 PM] cactu55#0000 I got my first batch of HER today, listed it as the lowest ask on market, I understand it might take awhile for it to sell, but is there anyway to estimate this/see volume clearly? [03-Feb-25 02:03 PM] laaxus#0000 cxm [03-Feb-25 02:03 PM] laaxus#0000 and chart [03-Feb-25 02:05 PM] cactu55#0000 perf ty [03-Feb-25 02:05 PM] cactu55#0000 lol just sold nvm [03-Feb-25 02:06 PM] jcheung#0000 i was like "i don't see you on the list" [03-Feb-25 02:07 PM] cactu55#0000 lucky timing ๐Ÿ˜› [03-Feb-25 02:13 PM] archielvahr#0000 To answer your question for next time: [03-Feb-25 02:13 PM] archielvahr#0000 http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_eQmeAdaxK1.png {Embed} http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_eQmeAdaxK1.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/gBeiCHyRRqbTCNUWpBoBSIJCWlNy8YGD3gJEIbwOdNc/http/kortham.net/temp/firefox_eQmeAdaxK1.png [03-Feb-25 02:14 PM] archielvahr#0000 in the last couple of days 300-500 units have traded per day (the grey volume bars on the bottom) [03-Feb-25 02:14 PM] archielvahr#0000 You can mouse over the items for exact numbers in the "traded" line at the top of the chart. [03-Feb-25 03:37 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1336088146454253702/image.png?ex=6814924d&is=681340cd&hm=86bda85547de263117e8c4b1346efb198767e085a3574ce8091a1828b7beac82& [03-Feb-25 03:37 PM] jcheung#0000 oooh [03-Feb-25 03:37 PM] jcheung#0000 now the whales can exchange ingame goods/services for pro [03-Feb-25 03:43 PM] laaxus#0000 I dislike this {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [03-Feb-25 03:43 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm mixed [03-Feb-25 03:43 PM] jcheung#0000 because i know some people have decades of pro [03-Feb-25 03:45 PM] laaxus#0000 I think devs see this as a potential New source of revenue [03-Feb-25 03:45 PM] laaxus#0000 Can't blame them [03-Feb-25 03:45 PM] laaxus#0000 Long term pro players are leaving the game ... [03-Feb-25 03:46 PM] realharvey#0000 Any form of exchange of goods for real-life money has been strictly forbidden [03-Feb-25 03:46 PM] jvaler#0000 FUCK [03-Feb-25 03:47 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bYHNE.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-hide-gif-26822036 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/iVMDB7DLG3KnZaC1ERh4pvd6erugfnyyOJWzSgA8f2M/https/media.tenor.com/IEamiX6D608AAAAe/spongebob-hide.png [03-Feb-25 04:48 PM] evov#0000 MFK - I think about 17k of it is likely to be needed per gateway gate. So if anyone wants to start making the stuff.... I'm sure it'll get put to good use. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [03-Feb-25 04:54 PM] zillatron#0000 I started making it a week ago ๐Ÿ˜Ž [03-Feb-25 04:56 PM] zillatron#0000 I'll end up using most of it myself but i'll put some on the market in the mean time [03-Feb-25 04:58 PM] evov#0000 Simpler (to me) would just be that I set the price for the first ship at 15mil. If it sells before I build the next ship, next ship price goes up. ./repeat. If it doesn't sell by the time I've built up a comfortable amount of stock, maybe 5 ships, price goes down. The auction idea sounds cool, and I do like it, but it feels like it might just end up adding more friction than it's worth. [03-Feb-25 06:30 PM] wikifeia#0000 The flight mechanics in this game seem pretty buggy. Just by rapidly clicking one or both of the fuel allocation bars you can reduce flight time. [03-Feb-25 06:31 PM] wikifeia#0000 It's most noticeable when you have both bars set to the minimum value, I can make 1 day trips reduce down to 16 hours or fewer. [03-Feb-25 06:36 PM] .shiva.#0000 their pathfinding kind of sucks, and is non-deterministic. it'll generally swap between two routes each time you have it recalculate (by adjusting any of the fuel sliders) [03-Feb-25 06:36 PM] .shiva.#0000 sometimes one of those routes is much better than the other [03-Feb-25 06:36 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah. sometimes the time stays the same and damage or fuel use changes [03-Feb-25 06:37 PM] jcheung#0000 sometimes there's even a 3rd route but those are rare and every time i see one i think i imagined it [03-Feb-25 06:37 PM] jcheung#0000 i wish they would just give us porkchop plots [03-Feb-25 07:13 PM] zillatron#0000 the source and destination are in constant motion so how much fuel you burn will change where you end up/how long it takes, like if you have to chase a planet in STL mode or if its coming toward you when you arrive in the system [03-Feb-25 07:14 PM] zillatron#0000 ie. there's more variables in play than just how much fuel you burn [03-Feb-25 07:15 PM] .shiva.#0000 it changes even if you don't change the amount of fuel [03-Feb-25 07:15 PM] .shiva.#0000 like drag the FTL slider all the way to 0, and then just click it a few times [03-Feb-25 07:17 PM] zillatron#0000 yep, you can trim time off the trip but im pretty sure you'll find something else is changing, like the STL cruise time or whatever [03-Feb-25 07:18 PM] zillatron#0000 thats just my understanding/observation so ymmv [03-Feb-25 07:46 PM] jcheung#0000 like i said, porkchop plots would be nice [04-Feb-25 12:52 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Orbital mechanics are quite complex. Iโ€™m sure PrUn has a very simplified simulation, but most of us are here for the economy, not to simulate rocket science ๐Ÿ˜… I always imagined those two routes be like: do I flight with the rotation of the planet, or against it. And depending on the position of the planet in its orbit, one of those routes is faster. [04-Feb-25 01:28 AM] realharvey#0000 This is how prun does it. Clicking the fuel slider makes it go one of those two possibilities [04-Feb-25 05:13 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 If you have a system map open while clicking it you can watch the path switch which side of the sun it goes around [04-Feb-25 07:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1336326588798734356/Screenshot_2025-02-04_at_9.24.02_PM.png?ex=6814c79e&is=6813761e&hm=f8977718ef07a26e5967c106c2a260d7db4b72214cf9361966cecfc7fe317c88& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฌ ๐Ÿ“ˆ [04-Feb-25 07:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 "Amp partners" is the only reason its not going to bounce straight up to 115 in the coming hours [04-Feb-25 07:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 (to my dismay D: ) [04-Feb-25 07:34 AM] garoo2004#0000 "to my dismay" ??? [04-Feb-25 07:35 AM] garoo2004#0000 so you're part of the gang that caused this ๐Ÿ‘ฟ [04-Feb-25 07:40 AM] pagy1234#0000 Im producing DW for you ๐Ÿ˜ญ [04-Feb-25 07:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 if anything the price is lower cuz of me {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [04-Feb-25 07:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 but i still wanna sell higher ๐Ÿค‘ [04-Feb-25 08:10 AM] tanda#0000 Allocater is going to allocate [04-Feb-25 10:15 AM] roche3950#0000 Is anyone here a large consumer of higher-end luxury consumables? Would like to learn more about your daily/weekly demands [04-Feb-25 10:21 AM] roche3950#0000 (SC/VG/NST) iโ€™m vaguely aware of SC usage being really small [04-Feb-25 10:23 AM] laaxus#0000 a pp3 base consumes 0.44 SC per day [04-Feb-25 10:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 400 scientists {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1336374306669854771/image.png?ex=6814f40f&is=6813a28f&hm=346d1f4b9b799f1985e8ff0f43e67e1b112331cee1b3fa5a327a4226b0fc940b& [04-Feb-25 10:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 but you could also go into the workforce buffer of any base and check the rates there {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1336374573419073678/image.png?ex=6814f44e&is=6813a2ce&hm=9da198dace6209ad5d8dac00c6d6a05bc29fd7a7bcbd071eae1e7b5ec41c8ede& [04-Feb-25 10:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 VG beeing 0.2 units per day per 100 engineers [04-Feb-25 10:36 AM] roche3950#0000 Sure but I donโ€™t know how many employed SCI/ENG people have :D [04-Feb-25 10:37 AM] pxlfox.#0000 nobody knows ๐Ÿ˜‚ [04-Feb-25 10:37 AM] pxlfox.#0000 you could check the POPR of the most populated planets, tho [04-Feb-25 10:40 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And trade volume gives away at least the amount bought via the CX [04-Feb-25 11:19 AM] roche3950#0000 Either way, Iโ€™d just like to help Antareans keep their citizens healthy ๐Ÿ˜„ [04-Feb-25 08:15 PM] jcheung#0000 i wouldn't call myself a large consumer, but here's some data for you if you want to crunch it {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1336520585932705962/image.png?ex=6814d38b&is=6813820b&hm=66d23df8ae0bfc2d174ac3b07c154e3c78062dff4b8461d230cc05f7011491c9& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1336520586184097935/image.png?ex=6814d38b&is=6813820b&hm=fdc138e709f9d828d704df96ff1b7863c5b8dd4b1f4808c93b33bb0661c9aa5f& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1336520586444406795/image.png?ex=6814d38b&is=6813820b&hm=3cc07fd23cc69d660899c180336713c040f642ad9e89ceb880d00890030e6b3e& [04-Feb-25 08:15 PM] jcheung#0000 ...i'm pretty sure that's accurate anyways [04-Feb-25 08:16 PM] jcheung#0000 oh, okay. sc and vg are slightly high, but only barely [05-Feb-25 12:08 AM] evov#0000 Copy from Galactic deals on the UFO discord, how I'm handling the sales of 5k5k ships for the moment - .e. 5k5k Ships. At the moment, I know there's a lot of people wanting to buy them. I've had my first HCB roll off the lines. My plans (at the moment) - First one, I'll make for myself. I don't plan on selling ships that I don't also use. Next one is due to be ready in about 3 days. In the long term, I intend to sell them for 11mil per ship. In the short term, while demand greatly exceeds the capacity to supply a more dynamic pricing structure is needed. First ship for sale will be available for 15mil AIC. If it sells before I produce the next one, price for the next one goes up by 1mil. If it doesn't sell, price goes down by 1mil. The floor price will be 11mil (if I end up holding 5 full ships in stock) They're new, they're pretty, lots of people want them, I expect this to be a very temporary situation. Send a message in "EvoV's Solo Shipyards" {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿš€ (2) ๐Ÿ‘ฝ [05-Feb-25 12:11 AM] jcheung#0000 Question. Would ylu be open to selling everything other than the HCB, and if yes, what price would it be at [05-Feb-25 12:24 AM] evov#0000 Not really. I do sometimes sell excess stock of specific parts on the CX if/when the price is juicy enough. But for the most part, I'm in the business of selling full ships. Messing with contracts isn't worth the effort. [05-Feb-25 01:16 AM] magican1980#0000 I produce no more DW for antares and have startet RAT ~23k weekly [05-Feb-25 03:03 AM] garoo2004#0000 how much do you sell them? [05-Feb-25 04:49 AM] magican1980#0000 had sold 23k DW, but now producing aboug 12k RAT -> look DM [05-Feb-25 06:54 AM] laaxus#0000 Right now, I'm in the phase of huge profit for low cost HQ, so I'm spreading base like crazy [05-Feb-25 06:54 AM] laaxus#0000 quite strange feeling [05-Feb-25 07:01 AM] realharvey#0000 I am in the replan your bases because permits are 20mil AIC [05-Feb-25 07:01 AM] realharvey#0000 And that phase is also fun. ๐Ÿ‘€ [05-Feb-25 07:19 AM] sidepipe#0000 Are you accepting pre-orders for that first ship, or should I wait until itโ€™s listed in your stock? [05-Feb-25 07:26 AM] sidepipe#0000 Just wanted to check before I drop a message in galactic-deals ๐Ÿ™‚ [05-Feb-25 07:35 AM] magican1980#0000 I have replaned my bases from frm to hyf in the last 2-3 months and expand my base of operation from benten to Benten + Antares CX ๐Ÿ™‚ new producer for rations and Carbon on the market [05-Feb-25 08:14 AM] pagy1234#0000 whats the difference between FRM and HYF? I see a couple people recently switching from FRM to HYF [05-Feb-25 08:23 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 They produce slightly different things, FRM depends on planet fertility and HYF does not. Inputs are different for the same items. (HYF alyways needs NS) [05-Feb-25 08:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 ahh, so HYF can be made anywhere im assuming? [05-Feb-25 08:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 but probably more expensive [05-Feb-25 08:24 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I believe so. Still benefits from agriculture COGC [05-Feb-25 08:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 thats pretty nice [05-Feb-25 08:28 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 But, for example, you can't grow CAF on a FRM or HER in a HYF. [05-Feb-25 08:28 AM] laaxus#0000 HYF is simply a different building [05-Feb-25 08:28 AM] laaxus#0000 use BUI commands [05-Feb-25 08:33 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh yeah i see [05-Feb-25 08:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 more expensive and more expensive to operate but makes some different stuff [05-Feb-25 08:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 much smaller recipe choice though [05-Feb-25 08:35 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 less area consumed too, but needs settlers [05-Feb-25 08:35 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah [05-Feb-25 08:35 AM] pagy1234#0000 prolly wont get any for some time [05-Feb-25 09:04 AM] magican1980#0000 yes, it will take time for the change for HYF ๐Ÿ™‚ - FRM produce with a little Water, HYF take more Water and Nutrient Solution (NS) to make the same in less time - HYF cost more (because more building mats) and you need to fullfill the needs of settlers ๐Ÿ™‚ [05-Feb-25 09:05 AM] magican1980#0000 with HYF = 20 Water + 2 NS = 12 MAI in 19hours 12 min (without boni), with FRM = 4 Water = 12 MAI in 33 hours [05-Feb-25 09:08 AM] magican1980#0000 for other products you invest massiv more water and NS to get the items faster. on the other side you can run more Food Processor to make Rations [05-Feb-25 09:09 AM] magican1980#0000 if you want to simulate somethink like this - I recommend to look for the prunplaner tool ๐Ÿ™‚ one example for a HYF for Carbon-INC setup [05-Feb-25 09:09 AM] magican1980#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/f718ab97-f539-49ca-adc0-f5120d2f7fc5 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/f718ab97-f539-49ca-adc0-f5120d2f7fc5 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [05-Feb-25 02:03 PM] pxlfox.#0000 pfabs are selling fast, lately [05-Feb-25 09:00 PM] jvaler#0000 @Market Alerts just fyi, NS has been in a big deficit for a few weeks now {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1336894255137947781/image.png?ex=6814de0c&is=68138c8c&hm=327f09d861027dcdb7f2f144b59bdbed229ca9120f9d219cc0832c92e57bc6dd& [05-Feb-25 09:00 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm partly to blame but... =P [05-Feb-25 09:24 PM] jcheung#0000 it's gonna get worse soon [05-Feb-25 09:53 PM] evov#0000 On principle - I feel like I need to wait until I've got the full ship in stock ready to ship out. I don't like selling things I don't have ๐Ÿ™‚ [05-Feb-25 11:34 PM] pagy1234#0000 yay {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1336932975555641384/Screenshot_2025-02-06_at_1.34.12_PM.png?ex=6815021c&is=6813b09c&hm=d59b9cf0e4ea1ace2d42b070c07aa19d2fcc6374ea209e8a44f577b05eac8b1b& [06-Feb-25 02:33 AM] magican1980#0000 not only you ๐Ÿ™‚ I'm to blame too ๐Ÿฅถ ... with price in rage of 300-350 Credit (CX Benten is under 350) I will buy on maket, otherwise I will look for a planet with chemistry for NS ๐Ÿ™‚ [06-Feb-25 02:36 AM] magican1980#0000 on long term I will need the production of 1 Planet NS for only myself ๐Ÿ˜› [06-Feb-25 03:45 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I am feeling malnourished. I need more nutrients. (but, like, not that many) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1336996223667929148/image.png?ex=68149443&is=681342c3&hm=f62fecc36334f807d1f53f47c5bc16def7019ab9e218202aa441a75765d70b4a& [06-Feb-25 04:22 AM] magican1980#0000 Benten has a bit of NS ๐Ÿ™‚ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1337005518191067267/grafik.png?ex=68149ceb&is=68134b6b&hm=4ffb62661322b32f42a4126a19b9f9cacef66666b38c1ac23201778ec7105799& [06-Feb-25 04:23 AM] magican1980#0000 or Hortus ๐Ÿ™‚ Trader please supply ๐Ÿ™‚ [06-Feb-25 07:33 AM] awsome_guy71#0000 I have 100 units at ANT and 200 at Deimos, 3 production lines running so more to follow soon [06-Feb-25 06:50 PM] pagy1234#0000 blehhhhh [06-Feb-25 06:50 PM] pagy1234#0000 i forgot materials again [06-Feb-25 06:50 PM] pagy1234#0000 D: [06-Feb-25 06:50 PM] pagy1234#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1337224027500187658/Screenshot_2025-02-07_at_8.50.45_AM.png?ex=6814bfac&is=68136e2c&hm=ba15393d517d9557a240dbe30d3dd0fae2a336ea2ca7e1a5110a42e80750805f& [06-Feb-25 09:16 PM] getonthetrain#0000 Is there anyway to see who is settled on a planet? If I wanted to see who all is on a certain planet? [06-Feb-25 09:17 PM] sidepipe#0000 In the PLI buffer, you can click on all the plots to see which belongs to who, but that's the easiest way I know of {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [06-Feb-25 10:12 PM] garoo2004#0000 ayyyy i just went to this planet yesterday, but i forgot to buy some HSE and LTA hahahah. Now i just sent my ship otw there [06-Feb-25 11:18 PM] pagy1234#0000 Hahaha, happens too often [06-Feb-25 11:18 PM] pagy1234#0000 There so much to keep track of [07-Feb-25 12:07 AM] garoo2004#0000 For real [07-Feb-25 12:18 AM] bookliko#0000 global site owners chat buffer, user list [07-Feb-25 12:19 AM] getonthetrain#0000 I'm not on the planet though [07-Feb-25 12:20 AM] getonthetrain#0000 checking the plots worked great since the planet doesn't have too many on it [07-Feb-25 12:20 AM] bookliko#0000 that would make it a challenge ๐Ÿ˜… [07-Feb-25 01:08 AM] magican1980#0000 oh you want your own water - check etherwind KW-688 - you dont need INS for your base [07-Feb-25 01:11 AM] potaterror#0000 Me over here with 4500 NS not even aware of the market. [07-Feb-25 01:12 AM] potaterror#0000 Suddenly it pops up on my radar twice in 5 minutes. [07-Feb-25 01:31 AM] pagy1234#0000 Iirc eitherwind was much further [07-Feb-25 02:40 AM] laaxus#0000 Hello @mzevilcanadian It's here that we talk the most [07-Feb-25 02:40 AM] laaxus#0000 don't hesitate to ask questions [07-Feb-25 02:41 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Thanks! [07-Feb-25 02:41 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I'm looking at your grand thingy rn [07-Feb-25 02:41 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Is there a planet/resource in need that would be more benificial for me to focus on? [07-Feb-25 02:42 AM] laaxus#0000 don't hesitate to use the #internal-offers internal market either, it's there to be used ! [07-Feb-25 02:42 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I'll be sure to take a look! [07-Feb-25 02:43 AM] laaxus#0000 there are bases more profitable than others but ultimately, you should have fun [07-Feb-25 02:43 AM] jcheung#0000 [07-Feb-25 02:43 AM] jcheung#0000 are you planning on manually moving to ant, or coliq? [07-Feb-25 02:44 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Manually moving [07-Feb-25 02:44 AM] laaxus#0000 I'd recommend keeping promitor [07-Feb-25 02:44 AM] jcheung#0000 ^ [07-Feb-25 02:44 AM] laaxus#0000 it's the best planet in the universe [07-Feb-25 02:44 AM] jcheung#0000 that might put a strain on your shipping though [07-Feb-25 02:44 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I was thinking I could use promitor to make basic consummables for myself and maybe get into welding/smelting or something [07-Feb-25 02:45 AM] jcheung#0000 i would suggest, but you are not required to, that you consider something with light shipping needs for your first base in ANT space [07-Feb-25 02:45 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 That is a good idea [07-Feb-25 02:45 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 What, out there, looks to be on the more profitable side? [07-Feb-25 02:46 AM] laaxus#0000 Usually, the more risky, the more profitable the base is Meaning that you have to decide what's the risk you like to play with [07-Feb-25 02:47 AM] laaxus#0000 when it's high profit low risk (like fim currently) everybody rush it, lowering the price [07-Feb-25 02:47 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Ahhh ok, I got some planning to do :p [07-Feb-25 02:47 AM] laaxus#0000 Do you know how to use prunplanner ? [07-Feb-25 02:48 AM] laaxus#0000 (do you know what prunplanner is ?) [07-Feb-25 02:48 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I do, yeah. I played previously for about 14 months before I stopped, came back to nothing :p [07-Feb-25 02:50 AM] laaxus#0000 here's a few ideas of bases you could look at (I intentionaly put a few that I don't think you should do at first, but they're worth looking at) [07-Feb-25 02:53 AM] laaxus#0000 Construction : - PP2 Manufacturing : - BMP - PPF Food production : - FP Agriculture : - FRM Resource extraction : - INC (C burning on nascent) - EXT Chemistry - CHP - POL Smelting : - SME - GF [07-Feb-25 02:56 AM] laaxus#0000 but if you feel overwhelmed you may want to start by looking at FRM SME BMP PP2 :p [07-Feb-25 02:57 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I appreciate the info! I was thinking of doing food/water but have only found 1 planet in the region where that may be possible [07-Feb-25 02:57 AM] laaxus#0000 I'd not recommend entering the DW market right now [07-Feb-25 02:57 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Oh? [07-Feb-25 02:57 AM] laaxus#0000 H2O market even less [07-Feb-25 02:58 AM] laaxus#0000 Basically, everybody entered the DW recently as it was a cash grab [07-Feb-25 02:59 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Ahhh ok [07-Feb-25 02:59 AM] laaxus#0000 however, people started moving their production from DW to RAT FIM as it was a even bigger cash grab [07-Feb-25 02:59 AM] laaxus#0000 you may want to ask @pagy1234 how he feels about producing DW [07-Feb-25 02:59 AM] laaxus#0000 he is a recent AGP applicant that built a FP base, doing DW on norwick [07-Feb-25 03:00 AM] laaxus#0000 https://prunplanner.org/tools/market is a very good tool to see the evolution of price, demand and supply {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/tools/market PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [07-Feb-25 03:01 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I was thinking Poseidon :p [07-Feb-25 03:01 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Once I decide on what to do, is there a method to apply for the grant? [07-Feb-25 03:02 AM] laaxus#0000 yes, put a prunplanner plan for your base in #agp-operations {Reactions} โค๏ธ [07-Feb-25 03:02 AM] laaxus#0000 then we will talk about it, just to be sure you've not overlooked something [07-Feb-25 03:02 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I get to do a bunch of planning *squee* [07-Feb-25 03:08 AM] jcheung#0000 don't forget to sleep [07-Feb-25 03:08 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 lol I do :p [07-Feb-25 03:31 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I made a group on the FIO website, and put in the settings for a project on PRUNPlanner, but it seems to be taking forever for FIO to load on the planner website [07-Feb-25 03:33 AM] laaxus#0000 you don't need fio to use prunplanner [07-Feb-25 03:33 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 ok Im using it wrong then [07-Feb-25 03:34 AM] laaxus#0000 you can just create an account [07-Feb-25 03:34 AM] laaxus#0000 and create bases [07-Feb-25 03:34 AM] laaxus#0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi-i6rLZMaQ {Embed} Lord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi-i6rLZMaQ How to use Prunplanner for Prosperous Universe Hopefully this video helps you understand how to set up Prunplanner, if you have any questions please leave them below --Links-- The official Prosp discord https://discord.gg/YkwpJ2hdDE Link to Prunplanner https://prunplanner.org/ Background audio used https://youtu.be/EM5KwkTQzsE Ending music from Sweet Cafe https://youtu.be/6DhONAQfEVg https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/DSq6GXwpy1FwDBpBlIBMy2TpSSXULzOp4ckXQXPKUp0/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/Vi-i6rLZMaQ/maxresdefault.jpg [07-Feb-25 03:35 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 ty [07-Feb-25 04:31 AM] magican1980#0000 If you use or active FIO in Prunplaner and calculate Supply for 21 days - Prunplaner shows you what you need and will tell you the need materials with include the stock (difference) [07-Feb-25 05:35 AM] potaterror#0000 I mean, honestly, even a short-term water base wouldn't be a terrible idea depending on where you did it. [07-Feb-25 05:36 AM] potaterror#0000 A couple projects are absolutely thirsting for Boucher permits. [07-Feb-25 05:37 AM] potaterror#0000 Could be a way to make a quick cash grab and then roll it up into a share of a larger scheme when things calm down. [07-Feb-25 06:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 Hellooo๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹ [07-Feb-25 06:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 DW works well on norwick, got 149% efficiency iirc, but DW market took a dip recently so bleh [07-Feb-25 06:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 H2O price increased 30-40% in the last week so its expensive asf to produce DW now [07-Feb-25 06:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 Earnings went from easily over 100k with 2 half built bases to just over 80k on a good day [07-Feb-25 06:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 Was given a nice gift yesterday so im well on my way to building a 3rd base for H2O (on ISA), then il be able to sustain my farms on Harmonia and some portion of my DW production, aiming to rotate mostly to RAT within the next 3 to 5 days. [07-Feb-25 06:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 Expanding farms is also pretty cheap so if i wasnt targeting to make a H2O base then I would max my farm base [07-Feb-25 06:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 Overall the FRM and FP combo is really versatile, so personally I like it, and profits are pretty solid [07-Feb-25 06:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah, honestly making consumables is very good (IMO) cuz then you just make everything cheaper for your self while making solid profits [07-Feb-25 06:29 AM] tanda#0000 I know your context differs, but that's not a bad rate of return for producing a basic good [07-Feb-25 06:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 Feel free to ping me unlimited if I didnt answer well and you need more info [07-Feb-25 06:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 Well 20% drop is bad, but overall its still nice [07-Feb-25 06:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 Used to be very OP [07-Feb-25 06:31 AM] tanda#0000 It was so nice for so long it actually outperformed the actual money printers, lol [07-Feb-25 06:31 AM] tanda#0000 even off COGC [07-Feb-25 06:36 AM] magican1980#0000 if you make your own water for DW, then it is a good money printer for new player :), but I think the logistic are the greater problem for the starter ships [07-Feb-25 06:37 AM] tanda#0000 that's part of the reason I was suggesting people start FP bases on Phobos for a while. Base paid itself off in 7 days, and it's right next to the CX, making shipping relatively trivial [07-Feb-25 06:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-shocked-face-stunned-pokemon-shocked-not-shocked-omg-gif-24112152 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-shocked-face-stunned-pokemon-shocked-not-shocked-omg-gif-24112152 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/BurAsiLEKGgVBoKWLSLmDUMK2qsyd1hPK7YzkAyxILc/https/media.tenor.com/ihqN6a3iiYEAAAAe/pikachu-shocked-face-stunned.png [07-Feb-25 06:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Wait, Laaxus is staff now [07-Feb-25 06:41 AM] tanda#0000 Has been for a few days, lol [07-Feb-25 06:43 AM] laaxus#0000 ๐Ÿ˜Ž [07-Feb-25 06:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Just noticed ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜‚ [07-Feb-25 06:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Congrats, I guess ๐Ÿฅณ๐Ÿ˜‚ [07-Feb-25 06:45 AM] realharvey#0000 he's been helping us onboard new members quite a lot [07-Feb-25 06:46 AM] realharvey#0000 only made sense [07-Feb-25 10:56 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Is there a coporation HQ somewhere? [07-Feb-25 11:19 AM] pagy1234#0000 Wdym? [07-Feb-25 11:19 AM] pagy1234#0000 ~~Oh for your own company?~~ [07-Feb-25 11:19 AM] pagy1234#0000 ~~By default its on your first base~~ [07-Feb-25 11:19 AM] pagy1234#0000 ~~You can move it tho~~ [07-Feb-25 11:19 AM] laaxus#0000 ah, the ADI is not a corporation per se [07-Feb-25 11:19 AM] laaxus#0000 so we don't have a corp hq [07-Feb-25 11:19 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Yeah I was wondering if there was any corporations in the area where I could use the corp HQ on planet bonus [07-Feb-25 11:20 AM] laaxus#0000 but corp hq is mostly negligeable {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Feb-25 11:20 AM] laaxus#0000 (except for IDC bases) [07-Feb-25 11:20 AM] laaxus#0000 Honestly, you don't need to care about it [07-Feb-25 11:39 AM] jcheung#0000 The only one that's really tied to ADI is CULT which is on.... whatever elon was renamed to [07-Feb-25 11:48 AM] roche3950#0000 Origo [07-Feb-25 11:48 AM] roche3950#0000 Thereโ€™s also OOG capital world on Nike [07-Feb-25 12:02 PM] realharvey#0000 Origo [07-Feb-25 12:05 PM] jcheung#0000 I aint ever gonna remember that [07-Feb-25 12:05 PM] jcheung#0000 Gonna be 'formerly elon' forever [07-Feb-25 12:07 PM] roche3950#0000 Felon? :p [07-Feb-25 12:07 PM] roche3950#0000 (fee-lawn) [07-Feb-25 12:15 PM] laaxus#0000 Would have been a better rename [07-Feb-25 12:35 PM] realharvey#0000 Midas was the best one I heard because of the gold deposit [07-Feb-25 12:40 PM] roche3950#0000 Iโ€™m planning to see if the devs would let me name an entire system or two ;p [07-Feb-25 12:49 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah Midas was gonna be great [07-Feb-25 01:16 PM] jvaler#0000 Aurum - Midas look what they took from us ;_; [07-Feb-25 01:17 PM] jvaler#0000 it's a conspiracy against antares, molp is the enemy now [07-Feb-25 01:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Whatโ€™s Molpโ€™s fav planet? [07-Feb-25 01:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Letโ€™s name the system something bad [07-Feb-25 01:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like Chungus [07-Feb-25 01:18 PM] jvaler#0000 according to fio csv there's 6 planets with naming credited to molp [07-Feb-25 01:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Hm ๐Ÿค” [07-Feb-25 01:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 All in the same system? [07-Feb-25 01:19 PM] jvaler#0000 no, all over it seems [07-Feb-25 01:19 PM] jvaler#0000 it's the planet details csv if u wanna look for urself [07-Feb-25 01:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Eh [07-Feb-25 01:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I believe you [07-Feb-25 01:20 PM] jvaler#0000 lolol [07-Feb-25 01:20 PM] jvaler#0000 i'd list them but i can't do it easily from my phone [07-Feb-25 01:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 No worries ๐Ÿ˜Š [07-Feb-25 01:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s not like I have the rights to name a system [07-Feb-25 10:50 PM] jcheung#0000 SEN.ai1 looks a little thin [07-Feb-25 10:51 PM] jcheung#0000 at a glance it looks like price has had a slight trend upwards universe wide over last 2ish months [08-Feb-25 01:04 AM] antisyntax#0000 Hey, @riseoffilth i've been offline the past few days (hectic relocation), and didn't have a chance to log on to extend the contract. When you have the other materials just let me know and I'll send another CONTD. Thanks! [08-Feb-25 01:39 AM] laaxus#0000 Didn't he quit the game ? [08-Feb-25 01:53 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I think is maybe quitting? I donโ€™t think heโ€™s fully pulled the plug? [08-Feb-25 01:55 AM] pxlfox.#0000 As far as I know heโ€™s currently reducing his activity. But heโ€™s still doing things - collected some materials from me yesterday for example [08-Feb-25 01:56 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Tho he will eventually leave - as far as I know till the end of this month [08-Feb-25 02:02 AM] realharvey#0000 we lost a good soul with him. I hope Antares does not go into government crisis after that. [08-Feb-25 02:13 AM] jcheung#0000 Oh, i wouldn't be shocked if half the planets missed their cogc when he retires [08-Feb-25 02:40 AM] potaterror#0000 Someone just bought out about a 10c/u window of DW at ANT and put 140K units on the market, so if anyone's looking to turn a quick buck... [08-Feb-25 02:54 AM] tanda#0000 drown them. honestly at 20/unit split from the other CXs, just import and drown him [08-Feb-25 02:56 AM] laaxus#0000 He bought 15M worth of the most liquid good [08-Feb-25 02:57 AM] laaxus#0000 Don't know what he is thinking tbh [08-Feb-25 02:57 AM] tanda#0000 "I don't want the high profit train of DW to end, and I think ANT is the most easily manipulated" [08-Feb-25 03:11 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm always in awe about players like that {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1337712399276445788/image.png?ex=68148c41&is=68133ac1&hm=f179db94a4287b069c7a0c5cd1d8d1ce8abfdd0bd52d6f06597a75d68d7e698d& [08-Feb-25 03:11 AM] pxlfox.#0000 over 2 years in this game - 1 base [08-Feb-25 03:14 AM] potaterror#0000 Alas, all my DW is on AJ-293a and all my FTL ships are ~2 days from being able to come back with water, even from either nearby CX. Someone else will have to milk this cow. [08-Feb-25 03:16 AM] tanda#0000 all I can say is that this person seems like they watch paint dry for fun [08-Feb-25 03:16 AM] potaterror#0000 It's all about the _texture_. [08-Feb-25 03:17 AM] potaterror#0000 I'm just going to imagine their Boucher base is 1 RIG at max decay and a lot of STO. [08-Feb-25 03:18 AM] pxlfox.#0000 they probably extract water and make DW there. It's probably the only thing they do. [08-Feb-25 03:19 AM] tanda#0000 what kills me is the fact that you can have as many as 6 permits on Free [08-Feb-25 03:19 AM] tanda#0000 they have only used (at most) 3 permits [08-Feb-25 03:19 AM] laaxus#0000 Sometimes I Wonder how many people don't know you Can build more based [08-Feb-25 03:19 AM] tanda#0000 so they looked at their shipping capacity, maxed out a Boucher base, and decided they wanted nothing else from the world [08-Feb-25 03:20 AM] tanda#0000 I'm going to assume that a 3 year player knows they can deploy more than one base [08-Feb-25 03:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 made me giggle ^^ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1337714871789158458/image.png?ex=68148e8e&is=68133d0e&hm=ac83fc5ddfc655ce507f7a63741749b4cf7c43db55be417457cb2408f0aeb31c& [08-Feb-25 03:24 AM] potaterror#0000 >=( [08-Feb-25 03:24 AM] potaterror#0000 Someone is horning in on my Boucher eco-terrorism schtick. [08-Feb-25 03:25 AM] potaterror#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1337715909124558899/Capture.PNG?ex=68148f86&is=68133e06&hm=d7bed93a1fbbb3d35ec6a2d4d935237dfeefd8237269808d9d8d44a992c83873& [08-Feb-25 03:25 AM] pxlfox.#0000 saw that one, too xD [08-Feb-25 06:36 AM] pagy1234#0000 3rd base open :D {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1337763930503905333/Screenshot_2025-02-08_at_8.36.05_PM.png?ex=6814bc3f&is=68136abf&hm=63e24f797443028092782c054f73f4640fbaaf761eeacf8269587732c805f35f& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ (2) ๐Ÿฅค (2) H2O (2) [08-Feb-25 08:22 AM] jcheung#0000 Thought it was 5 [08-Feb-25 08:22 AM] jcheung#0000 Oh, wait. Dumb me, hq 5 is 6 permits [08-Feb-25 08:22 AM] jcheung#0000 Forgot start at 2 permits [08-Feb-25 10:06 AM] laaxus#0000 ๐ŸŽ‰ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1337816821105168505/image.png?ex=6814ed81&is=68139c01&hm=3ede9c94def9f2b5332a439f792312332740cb37f2a711a7c580dc56fdb247eb& [08-Feb-25 10:08 AM] laaxus#0000 oh btw, @mzevilcanadian @plague_monk I recommend installing rprun if you play on browser [08-Feb-25 10:08 AM] laaxus#0000 it's a game changer {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [08-Feb-25 10:08 AM] laaxus#0000 https://github.com/refined-prun/refined-prun/ {Embed} https://github.com/refined-prun/refined-prun/ GitHub - refined-prun/refined-prun Contribute to refined-prun/refined-prun development by creating an account on GitHub. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/kmSKht7qiURlKIb16wYcaOEXXDZ5E9LllSy2ELAHp8E/https/opengraph.githubassets.com/fafccfc1d6268d27e808cf5cf085193b5a8c1de670ede3879a5b3088d0386d35/refined-prun/refined-prun [08-Feb-25 10:08 AM] laaxus#0000 (it's a web extension, the github repository contains the link for both chromium and firefox based browser) [08-Feb-25 10:28 AM] razenpok#0000 I recently dropped from 200m to 175m due to AGC contribution ๐Ÿ˜… {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1337822277764386838/image.png?ex=6814f296&is=6813a116&hm=edba7ea8fcb469d87a3d893f00a67b15cfdc9b62a66b40fecc4359eae8df05ed& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ“‰ [08-Feb-25 10:29 AM] razenpok#0000 I think it would be better to link this instead https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1292871586705051729/1305070369324929056 [08-Feb-25 10:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 what does this thing factor in as expense and revenue? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1337824580810571776/Screenshot_2025-02-09_at_12.36.51_AM.png?ex=6814f4bb&is=6813a33b&hm=2fd3091a0b10ac94eab224f8e31efd3ce8d1d8b5f97996c370e4817478dc15c7& [08-Feb-25 10:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 theres no chance these numbers are correct [08-Feb-25 10:38 AM] pagy1234#0000 the breakdown by planet section i mean [08-Feb-25 10:38 AM] razenpok#0000 Expenses: cost of input goods and consumables Revenue: cost of output goods Repairs: cost of materials for repairs [08-Feb-25 10:38 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, but the cost values are massively higher than what I currently spend on consumables and stuff [08-Feb-25 10:39 AM] razenpok#0000 The cost of any material as calculated as a weighted average over all trades of all CXs over the last 7d [08-Feb-25 10:40 AM] razenpok#0000 It doesn't know what you actually spend on the resources [08-Feb-25 10:40 AM] razenpok#0000 Or how much do you sell them for [08-Feb-25 10:40 AM] pagy1234#0000 ahh, maybe thats why [08-Feb-25 10:40 AM] razenpok#0000 Yeah, it's a "if you would rely solely on CX, this is what numbers are" [08-Feb-25 10:40 AM] razenpok#0000 "on average" [08-Feb-25 10:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah ok, in my own calc i enter exactly what I spent, not the average [08-Feb-25 10:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 thats probably the cause of the discrepancy [08-Feb-25 01:19 PM] jcheung#0000 It's more of a general idea [08-Feb-25 03:11 PM] tanda#0000 New planet name just dropped {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1337893557628964864/image.png?ex=68148c38&is=68133ab8&hm=d00a10cc6079f0854a534cee5f0c6234c5f07376f9abf8a3b3d9a098a08e2b7d& [08-Feb-25 03:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 A Deimos system planet eh [08-Feb-25 03:12 PM] tanda#0000 Yeah! [08-Feb-25 03:12 PM] pxlfox.#0000 why there, tho? [08-Feb-25 03:12 PM] tanda#0000 I've actually been eyeballing that one due to proximity. With a little bit of love it could be turned into a great construction planet [08-Feb-25 03:13 PM] tanda#0000 unknown, the naming player does not have a base there, and the one base on the planet has been there for 240 days [08-Feb-25 03:13 PM] pxlfox.#0000 it's sooo far away - STL flights will be endless [08-Feb-25 03:14 PM] pxlfox.#0000 it's cold and pressure and the pressure will kill you [08-Feb-25 03:14 PM] pxlfox.#0000 and the only resource is some TIO [08-Feb-25 03:14 PM] tanda#0000 but it's still right next door to the CX. You just don't travel to in system planets [08-Feb-25 03:15 PM] tanda#0000 so from a more CX-centralized empire like mine, It's literally a hop skip and jump away [08-Feb-25 03:16 PM] pxlfox.#0000 well, I'm surprised {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1337894741316210749/image.png?ex=68148d53&is=68133bd3&hm=e5a99482a0b85577791a1a8ee64ec05d8d968d7037c6c917390e49366c85a702& [08-Feb-25 03:16 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Astraeus took nearly 24 hours sometimes [08-Feb-25 03:16 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1337894955917770752/image.png?ex=68148d86&is=68133c06&hm=8e5fb6455bce55b0f1c1805112776e83913443403a954b171891c21cc2c5c5d3& [08-Feb-25 03:17 PM] tanda#0000 Astraeus is 4 AU away from the CX [08-Feb-25 03:17 PM] tanda#0000 meanwhile, Antares II is next door by jump, and your entry point from a jump is generally somewhere near your destination planet [08-Feb-25 03:18 PM] pxlfox.#0000 oooh, that's something I wasn't aware off [08-Feb-25 03:18 PM] tanda#0000 so basically, from a CX point of view, Black Mesa is the same distance as Deimos [08-Feb-25 03:18 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I always thought you jump to the star and have to travel out [08-Feb-25 03:18 PM] pxlfox.#0000 this makes sense [08-Feb-25 03:18 PM] pxlfox.#0000 well, then I never said anything [08-Feb-25 03:19 PM] tanda#0000 If this were the case, there are several great planets that would be near worthless [08-Feb-25 03:19 PM] pxlfox.#0000 sooo, basically Astraeus takes so long, because you can't jump to it... [08-Feb-25 03:19 PM] pxlfox.#0000 what a bummer [08-Feb-25 03:20 PM] tanda#0000 Another example of this problem is the KI-401 system {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1337895930505986209/image.png?ex=68148e6e&is=68133cee&hm=21c4eda3599ba661e6242b8f091a19ff54c0bfee03a5e7ff20751ad3a61f8884& [08-Feb-25 03:21 PM] tanda#0000 Trying to get AR from D to C or Kevin takes as long as a flight back to the CX [08-Feb-25 05:45 PM] jcheung#0000 it's oft better to jump to an adjoining system to get to ast [08-Feb-25 05:46 PM] jcheung#0000 when i get tight on shipping i do stuff like ant > agamenon > astraeus > deimos > ant when i need to only hit astraeus-extra couple hours but i also hit a couple low resources on two other planets [09-Feb-25 01:39 AM] realharvey#0000 I fly almost all routes ANT -> Base {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [09-Feb-25 01:39 AM] realharvey#0000 A very small exception are Extraction planets ๐Ÿ˜… [09-Feb-25 01:42 AM] jvaler#0000 same [09-Feb-25 01:43 AM] jvaler#0000 only thing that fits is ISA -> SE-110a/b [09-Feb-25 05:04 AM] pagy1234#0000 how long do you have to be afk for your account to be deleted? [09-Feb-25 05:04 AM] pagy1234#0000 will be on a trip with extremely imited wifi for 9 days after my PRO runs out [09-Feb-25 05:11 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1338105105400074300/image.png?ex=6814a87d&is=681356fd&hm=b337ab20559b4bd9b16a9dfa6010d80594816eda633bc55c90afc3a2c21916cd& [09-Feb-25 06:32 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh nice [09-Feb-25 06:32 AM] pagy1234#0000 so i get 52 days :D [09-Feb-25 06:32 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah but good luck to restart after that [09-Feb-25 06:32 AM] laaxus#0000 bases decay [09-Feb-25 06:37 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I would love to support the ore extraction and metal production of the region, since those are often the base of a lot of industries. In my experience, the most limiting factor is shipping, so I'm thinking to establish trade routes between common resource extraction sites and smelting planets (e.g. Nascent <-> Deimos) with vacant capacities, so people can just extract the stuff and I do the logistics. [09-Feb-25 06:38 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm still not quite there to do so, but wanted to put the idea of here to see, what people think about it [09-Feb-25 08:09 AM] akyantor#0000 Is it worth grooming the #internal-offers channel posts? I recongnise quite a few in there from players who aren't active. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (3) [09-Feb-25 10:06 AM] jvaler#0000 went through and checked the players i haven't seen in a while, and deleted their post if their apex activity says inactive [09-Feb-25 10:06 AM] jvaler#0000 lemme know if i missed any [09-Feb-25 10:36 AM] akyantor#0000 Cool, I'll have a quick skim too [09-Feb-25 10:36 AM] akyantor#0000 Looks like you sorted the ones I spotted at least ๐Ÿ™‚ [09-Feb-25 12:09 PM] wikifeia#0000 why is there so much construction in antares 2? Isn't it much better as a metallurgy focused system? [09-Feb-25 12:14 PM] laaxus#0000 Short answer is that there's enough mรฉtallurgy planet [09-Feb-25 12:14 PM] wikifeia#0000 2? or are they scattered all over? [09-Feb-25 12:14 PM] laaxus#0000 And that it is almost impossible to change the cogc of a planet [09-Feb-25 12:14 PM] jcheung#0000 one metallurgy can feed muliple construction [09-Feb-25 12:15 PM] wikifeia#0000 idk i think ZV-759a would make a great metallurgy planet, and currently has basically nobody on it [09-Feb-25 12:16 PM] laaxus#0000 Again, there's enough mรฉtallurgy [09-Feb-25 12:17 PM] wikifeia#0000 isn't TI pretty hard to come by? [09-Feb-25 12:17 PM] wikifeia#0000 people set up AL and FE/STL bases but more room for metallurgy could help support ship building [09-Feb-25 12:18 PM] laaxus#0000 Just because it's hard to Come by doesn't mean it's profitable [09-Feb-25 12:18 PM] wikifeia#0000 my thought is that with heph nearby it's strange that this little metallurgy is enough to meet demand [09-Feb-25 12:19 PM] wikifeia#0000 i think as supply goes up demand will rise to meet it [09-Feb-25 12:19 PM] laaxus#0000 vulcan and deimos are enoughfor a large part of the demand [09-Feb-25 12:23 PM] jcheung#0000 i think i see part of the problem [09-Feb-25 12:23 PM] jcheung#0000 took me a bit to learn this [09-Feb-25 12:23 PM] jcheung#0000 but deimos and vulcan are better at supplying heph than A [09-Feb-25 12:25 PM] jcheung#0000 deimos being cheaper to build a base, vulcan having a FEO deposit [09-Feb-25 12:25 PM] jcheung#0000 and A is also really close to the sun so that damages you [09-Feb-25 12:28 PM] jcheung#0000 the rest of the system doesn't particularly have any great reasons to be metallurgy focused [09-Feb-25 12:29 PM] jcheung#0000 meanwhile, antares 3 has a metallurgy world, which the jump to ant 2 A would be cheaper than some other options [09-Feb-25 12:31 PM] realharvey#0000 When you are only playing like once per day then any planet within 4-5 Jumps ends up feeling like the same distance {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) ๐Ÿ‘† [09-Feb-25 01:34 PM] tanda#0000 I see you've gotten a lot of responses about this already, but I wanted to explain my line of thought. I do construction, so I see decentish planets close by and I wonder why they shouldn't be another construction planet. Construction takes up a lot of permits, but I can supply more than one BFAB base with one metallurgy planet. There's no point of focusing a system on metallurgy. You put your metallurgy COGCs either on the planet with the metal deposit you want to take advantage of or very close by. We are spoiled for choice for TIO deposits already in ANT. The one on 759j is less than 50% of galactic maximum, while we have 4 nearbyish that are over 65%. That and metallurgy planets aren't very profitable right now [09-Feb-25 02:37 PM] tanda#0000 Does this planet belong to anyone? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1338247494970376355/image.png?ex=6814845a&is=681332da&hm=eaaeefeee52d7ea5886fae215d64a4948088fed661776ee5e4d7236277cebab0& [10-Feb-25 12:31 AM] evov#0000 This is why I've been settling on planets that are about 20 hrs flight from the CX. Because if you're playing once a day, it's virtually the same as having a planet in the same system as the CX. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [10-Feb-25 01:49 AM] evov#0000 I don't care what anyone says, I think the ANT CX is the center of the universe. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1338416601464049674/image.png?ex=68147918&is=68132798&hm=f04e790c9b45c558ca9875a4f480df815c94e52d3087f709bf461e389c3dfb00& [10-Feb-25 03:38 AM] tanda#0000 You're not wrong! [10-Feb-25 03:51 AM] evov#0000 For anyone interested in differences between 2k2k and 5k5k ships. Both ships at ANT - going to SE-648c to pick up Oxygen. 5K5K on the left, 2k2k on the right. For the same flight time - fuel usage is about 30% higher on the 5k5k ( both ships empty ) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1338447147733090304/image.png?ex=6814958b&is=6813440b&hm=99811a5bdd27dc771beca61ca159ea2b508d0151acd30f66f4aa1dc1d07cef05& [10-Feb-25 03:54 AM] evov#0000 When cargo is full - {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1338447876904325203/image.png?ex=68149639&is=681344b9&hm=74b69393cc6b138f22987a6bdac0fe1b80067b3774cb0a56650be98e7191d218& [10-Feb-25 03:58 AM] tanda#0000 looks like the sheer size of the 5k means it takes more damage in landing (and probably takeoff) [10-Feb-25 03:58 AM] tanda#0000 it takes an extra 50% damage on that one step [10-Feb-25 04:20 AM] evov#0000 I mean, when empty the total damage is pretty close. When full it's a little bit more, but not a huge amount more. Given that it's also carrying 2.5x the cargo, it feels like a very effective tradeoff (assuming you actually need to be transporting more than 2k2k cargo to/from a location - which is probably isn't actually supper common ) [10-Feb-25 04:22 AM] tanda#0000 well, depends on how often you want to visit! With a 5k/5k in my arsenal, all my INS bases drop to being serviced once every 20 days [10-Feb-25 05:03 AM] realharvey#0000 You might need more STO on location to handle this amount of deliveries when dealing with heavy stuff [10-Feb-25 05:04 AM] tanda#0000 PP3 bases (especially those doing just INS) have a lot of space left over with just the two STO you can normally fit [10-Feb-25 05:05 AM] tanda#0000 Nike's an artifact from not use hybrid pop buildings, but the other three are pretty good examples {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1338465901435162655/image.png?ex=6814a702&is=68135582&hm=f7e8d632821867190b49fdbb1484a24606cf4469f0da1e5ca0722e56555fe2a2& [10-Feb-25 05:06 AM] tanda#0000 all three of those bases have over a week's worth of consumables and materials [10-Feb-25 05:26 AM] realharvey#0000 I personally stock consumables 30-60 days. But consumables are still light on storage. I guess metallurgy and extraction planets are more likely to need more STO [10-Feb-25 05:42 AM] tanda#0000 I would also suggest that metallurgy planets in general and RE planets with a mass:volume ratio great than 2:1 are probably not great candidates for a 5k [10-Feb-25 05:43 AM] jcheung#0000 Honestly that fuel and damage is a steal [10-Feb-25 05:43 AM] jcheung#0000 Over double the capacity [10-Feb-25 05:43 AM] jcheung#0000 Less than double the cost [10-Feb-25 05:43 AM] tanda#0000 agreed. For middle of the road, high volume or infrequent visit bases it seems like a solid deal [10-Feb-25 05:44 AM] realharvey#0000 I'd consider it on a case by case basis. Does a 5k/5k carry more than two 3k/1k's then I'd still go for the HCB [10-Feb-25 05:44 AM] realharvey#0000 but this is more for "lategame". In the earlier stages you need that flexibility of more smaller ships [10-Feb-25 05:45 AM] realharvey#0000 because most people cant even afford 14 days of supplies etc. [10-Feb-25 05:46 AM] tanda#0000 I generally load up 30 days of supplies as well, everytime the burn gets down around a week left. It's just snappier to say I've got over a week's worth on hand {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1338476267120361575/image.png?ex=6814b0a9&is=68135f29&hm=05c513d7651d19b76e3c9117b225ef42b4a6aacaa2ed98ab394d18ea607711f5& [10-Feb-25 05:55 AM] evov#0000 imo - as long as you're filling the 5k5k - it still feels more efficient to run (fuel/repairs) than 3k1k heavies. But, it's double the cost, so probably only worth the expense for established players. Maybe as a 6th ship in someone's fleet it might start to make sense imo. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [10-Feb-25 05:56 AM] realharvey#0000 in early stages you need the flexibility, so I totally agree [10-Feb-25 05:59 AM] jcheung#0000 Depending o what you're hauling, yes [10-Feb-25 06:00 AM] realharvey#0000 I also value less busywork pretty high. So even if 2 heavy cargo bays would be more efficient I might still go the lazy route [10-Feb-25 06:19 AM] tanda#0000 that DW sure did go down! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1338484404091097189/image.png?ex=6814b83d&is=681366bd&hm=252b360fab300cfd5caf6a9710e9cad88cca7967dde447d41c0ad8820e565a97& [10-Feb-25 06:28 AM] realharvey#0000 people have been quick going out of that market [10-Feb-25 06:28 AM] realharvey#0000 on another note, buy volume last week has been a little higher than usual [10-Feb-25 07:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 that didnt last long lol [10-Feb-25 06:18 PM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Ehhh, Deimos is started1 540 of 740 needed workers isnt bad for day 1 [10-Feb-25 06:27 PM] bookliko#0000 The rest will fill up after the next POP report in 1 day and 8 h from now {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [10-Feb-25 06:29 PM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Yeah, just need to collect some O and ALO then I'll be producing AL for sale. lmk if anyone wants to setup a regular contract! [11-Feb-25 01:04 AM] pxlfox.#0000 ^ @evov will take all AL you have ๐Ÿ˜‚ [11-Feb-25 01:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Tho AL market is currently really good and Deimos close to the CX. It might make sense to just sell it on the market [11-Feb-25 01:13 AM] evov#0000 No! Me. Sell all your AL to me! [11-Feb-25 01:19 AM] jcheung#0000 ~~evov will just buy it from the cx anyways~~ [11-Feb-25 01:21 AM] evov#0000 If I could, I'd unionize all the AL producers in ANT. Restrict the other region's access to our precious AL, and force them to pay top AIC for it. {Reactions} ๐ŸŒถ๏ธ [11-Feb-25 01:22 AM] laaxus#0000 BASED ??? [11-Feb-25 01:22 AM] laaxus#0000 ๐Ÿค [11-Feb-25 01:22 AM] jcheung#0000 Technically you could just buy it all and throw it in a hole to rot [11-Feb-25 01:23 AM] evov#0000 But then people just keep producing it and undercutting each other until the price drops... and I have to buy it all again. [11-Feb-25 01:25 AM] evov#0000 My CX data from about the last 6months for AL. I've bought over a quarter of a million AL over that time. Mostly from the ANT CX. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1338772769852227584/image.png?ex=6814734d&is=681321cd&hm=4a6ec62ea67ff101574f0fbcc91723bcfb1a720b2309089a9799cad17df8fbf0& [11-Feb-25 01:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Sooo, we make EvoV our AL bank? ๐Ÿ˜‚ [11-Feb-25 01:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Fun-fact - before the industrial revolution, aluminium was actually way more valuable then gold and silver - especially pure. [11-Feb-25 01:42 AM] jcheung#0000 Because AL was, and still is, a bitch to refine [11-Feb-25 01:42 AM] jcheung#0000 At least from ALO [11-Feb-25 01:42 AM] jcheung#0000 Recycling is easy by comparison [11-Feb-25 04:28 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 imagine transporting 83333 SF each trip :evil: [11-Feb-25 07:05 AM] laaxus#0000 If you don't know what new bases to build [11-Feb-25 07:05 AM] laaxus#0000 I'd recommend looking at POL bases, to make EPO [11-Feb-25 07:06 AM] laaxus#0000 I believe there's a deficit of at least 5 POL bases right now [11-Feb-25 07:06 AM] laaxus#0000 maybe 10 [11-Feb-25 07:34 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes then overnight AL trinkets and tiaras and things became worthless because science [11-Feb-25 04:49 PM] potaterror#0000 Man, it'd be really nice if contracts had built in self-escrow capability. Just let me send it and push a button to pull funds that autopay on delivery. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (3) [11-Feb-25 10:21 PM] jvaler#0000 @Market Alerts {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339088909400932402/image.png?ex=6814f0fb&is=68139f7b&hm=c33204be240eca75a676a88566cce6796e4d34c9eeca87eaaad6a28d4aa7c106& [11-Feb-25 10:21 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿง [11-Feb-25 10:21 PM] jcheung#0000 ffs [11-Feb-25 10:21 PM] jcheung#0000 i guess i'm making a trip out to avalon [11-Feb-25 10:22 PM] laaxus#0000 Sigh [11-Feb-25 10:22 PM] jvaler#0000 do you consume it? i just put up 291 but i can sell it to you [11-Feb-25 10:22 PM] jcheung#0000 i consume it but i make my own [11-Feb-25 10:22 PM] jvaler#0000 gotcha [11-Feb-25 10:22 PM] jcheung#0000 FIM price will probably also be going up soonโ„ข๏ธ if it hasn't [11-Feb-25 10:23 PM] jcheung#0000 as everyone and their mother buys FIM to make MEA [11-Feb-25 10:23 PM] jvaler#0000 mmmm okay [11-Feb-25 10:23 PM] jvaler#0000 i just listed FIM but i'll hold off if u think so =P [11-Feb-25 10:23 PM] jcheung#0000 as a side note if anyone just has spare FP time... i have some spare MTP, which will probably also spike as everyone buys that to make MEA [11-Feb-25 10:24 PM] jvaler#0000 actually wait it's already at a 180d high rn. i'll just sell [11-Feb-25 10:25 PM] jvaler#0000 i haven't reconfigured my norwick yet, if you send the necessary conts on-site i could run it {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339089857481539707/image.png?ex=6814f1dd&is=6813a05d&hm=73710d4ec4d3cf55fe5cbf6d75331cff278b2348ce4ca240288ddd4a9527f291& [11-Feb-25 10:25 PM] jvaler#0000 28 FP [11-Feb-25 10:25 PM] jcheung#0000 (i have to grab the MTP from avalon first) [11-Feb-25 10:25 PM] jvaler#0000 well it'll be waiting if you want, i'm lazy =P [11-Feb-25 10:25 PM] jcheung#0000 hah [11-Feb-25 10:26 PM] jcheung#0000 well. i apparently do have some MTP at ANT on the cx [11-Feb-25 10:27 PM] jcheung#0000 ....wow i think i'm tired [11-Feb-25 10:27 PM] jcheung#0000 i just tried to do location of jvaler instead of ant [11-Feb-25 10:27 PM] jvaler#0000 LMAO [11-Feb-25 10:27 PM] sobyshka#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339090507640340480/IMG_20250209_104257_874.jpg?ex=6814f278&is=6813a0f8&hm=fa98d36c1108d5659d65c806acdecf72e8bc100559c5e9b791b1d1e1663d00ed& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [11-Feb-25 10:28 PM] jvaler#0000 err, i meant on-site as on norwick lol [11-Feb-25 10:28 PM] jcheung#0000 oh [11-Feb-25 10:28 PM] jcheung#0000 hah [11-Feb-25 10:28 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't wanna do the shipping [11-Feb-25 10:29 PM] jvaler#0000 not that any prun player does [11-Feb-25 10:29 PM] jvaler#0000 but [11-Feb-25 10:29 PM] jvaler#0000 wait no, darkfuel is crazy enough [11-Feb-25 10:31 PM] jcheung#0000 ...do you also need the WF consumables too? [11-Feb-25 10:32 PM] jvaler#0000 yea lol [11-Feb-25 10:32 PM] jcheung#0000 gotcha [11-Feb-25 10:32 PM] jvaler#0000 maybe like a fraction of what you have there? and i can send back any excess once the production run is done [11-Feb-25 10:32 PM] jcheung#0000 i don't have a norwick base ๐Ÿ˜„ [11-Feb-25 10:33 PM] jcheung#0000 debating how bad i want to convert this MTP to MEA [11-Feb-25 10:33 PM] jvaler#0000 what kind of antarian are you ๐Ÿ˜จ [11-Feb-25 10:33 PM] jcheung#0000 well [11-Feb-25 10:33 PM] jcheung#0000 my FP base is in HRT for some reason [11-Feb-25 10:33 PM] jcheung#0000 ....don't know why [11-Feb-25 10:33 PM] jcheung#0000 asked myself that last week [11-Feb-25 10:33 PM] jvaler#0000 wait you don't even have prom [11-Feb-25 10:33 PM] jvaler#0000 wtf [11-Feb-25 10:34 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [11-Feb-25 10:34 PM] jvaler#0000 lmfao [11-Feb-25 10:34 PM] jcheung#0000 i might drop a FP base for AFC over at norwick ๐Ÿคท [11-Feb-25 10:37 PM] jcheung#0000 bleh. wish i had more ICA so i could buy up a bunch of that MEA in HRT [11-Feb-25 10:37 PM] jcheung#0000 just to inflate their prices too [11-Feb-25 10:37 PM] jcheung#0000 "ant has to suffer so now so must you" {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ผ [11-Feb-25 10:38 PM] jcheung#0000 hrm [11-Feb-25 10:38 PM] jcheung#0000 on second thought [11-Feb-25 10:38 PM] jvaler#0000 FX? the rates aren't as bad as people make it out to be [11-Feb-25 10:38 PM] jcheung#0000 i actually can't use you to convert that MTP to MEA [11-Feb-25 10:38 PM] jcheung#0000 i don't have enough FIM i just realized [11-Feb-25 10:38 PM] jvaler#0000 oh lmao [11-Feb-25 10:38 PM] jvaler#0000 wanna buy my 850? =P [11-Feb-25 10:38 PM] jcheung#0000 that assumes i have AIC too [11-Feb-25 10:38 PM] pagy1234#0000 yay, more people on norwick :D [11-Feb-25 10:38 PM] jvaler#0000 oop [11-Feb-25 10:39 PM] jcheung#0000 so does this [11-Feb-25 10:39 PM] jvaler#0000 true [11-Feb-25 10:39 PM] jvaler#0000 -# loan time [11-Feb-25 10:40 PM] jcheung#0000 don't fucking tempt me [11-Feb-25 10:40 PM] jvaler#0000 hehehe [11-Feb-25 10:40 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bbfTK.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/she-pure-evil-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-rhobh-bitch-gif-15036710 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/-Bj6O-iqbJ5qZ-VXLgr29gWAJYFP7s5tyGkoGbDQ8es/https/media.tenor.com/1-1BXK4hAKUAAAAe/she-pure-evil-real.png [11-Feb-25 10:42 PM] jvaler#0000 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/546763235051700314/1017104151861276732/speed.gif {Embed} https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/546763235051700314/1017104151861276732/speed.gif https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/546763235051700314/1017104151861276732/speed.gif?ex=6814ee0e&is=68139c8e&hm=c41eb096d463b708e5f7de379c70131975562bd74243e278130a608f8fccf710& [11-Feb-25 10:43 PM] jcheung#0000 i've been trying really hard to not take more loans [11-Feb-25 10:43 PM] jcheung#0000 though it looks like i might "have" to [11-Feb-25 10:43 PM] jcheung#0000 *grumble* [11-Feb-25 10:44 PM] jvaler#0000 keep it ~6mil or less plz, my liquidity's seemed to have just dissappeared the past few weeks {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339094839916101652/image.png?ex=6814f681&is=6813a501&hm=063b993997a77bf9a709636ffa49d323d4bb59e2407d8a3da49daf87b17069a3& [11-Feb-25 10:45 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/jnxRqqjITRs.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/umm-no-awkward-gif-7734850593376168240 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/uXfbd46L_h0bqzuMdf4lGKeuIuqSflsnCUawYJa3UCc/https/media.tenor.com/a1e1ojjn6TAAAAAe/umm-no.png [11-Feb-25 10:45 PM] jcheung#0000 i'll probably hit lowstrife or something [11-Feb-25 10:45 PM] jcheung#0000 idk [11-Feb-25 10:46 PM] jcheung#0000 tbh i should probably liquidate some shit [11-Feb-25 10:46 PM] jvaler#0000 smae [11-Feb-25 10:46 PM] jvaler#0000 going through ant looking for things to sell and saw this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339095323531935805/image.png?ex=6814f6f4&is=6813a574&hm=579ab8caf8a5dd504a4a4251451a93e98590bb32d1c90bcb9e83467bf9877001& [11-Feb-25 10:47 PM] jvaler#0000 savior of antares ๐Ÿ˜Ž [11-Feb-25 10:47 PM] jvaler#0000 ~~totally not profiteering rn~~ [11-Feb-25 10:52 PM] jvaler#0000 oh huh... it's probably gone into the thing my expensive SE-110 setup has been making {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339096726354792499/image.png?ex=6814f842&is=6813a6c2&hm=ede8b9a63bd56e58f69daded955f328d0ee719ebda52acf44dc795ea4d17e7e6& [11-Feb-25 10:52 PM] jvaler#0000 lel [11-Feb-25 10:54 PM] jcheung#0000 i [11-Feb-25 10:54 PM] jcheung#0000 i wish i could just buy that up and wait for the next time moke fucks with the C market [11-Feb-25 11:00 PM] zillatron#0000 Isnโ€™t making money when you can part of the game tho? [11-Feb-25 11:01 PM] zillatron#0000 Thatโ€™s literally how markets work no? [11-Feb-25 11:01 PM] laaxus#0000 Wdym? [11-Feb-25 11:02 PM] pagy1234#0000 I think hes complaining because he doesnt have 20mil to blast on carbon [11-Feb-25 11:02 PM] pagy1234#0000 not that he physically cant [11-Feb-25 11:02 PM] jvaler#0000 geez so many deficit resource extraction markets {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339099282774691850/image.png?ex=6814faa4&is=6813a924&hm=c4813d9900a74620eb639935247b04d58c06402540371c843ffbb80c330d3ffc& [11-Feb-25 11:03 PM] zillatron#0000 I mean taking advantage of market conditions to make money isn't something that should be viewed like it's a crime [11-Feb-25 11:03 PM] zillatron#0000 maybe im misunderstanding the convo [11-Feb-25 11:03 PM] zillatron#0000 ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [11-Feb-25 11:04 PM] laaxus#0000 It's not a crime [11-Feb-25 11:04 PM] laaxus#0000 But usually, market manipulator manipulate for the sake of manipulation [11-Feb-25 11:05 PM] laaxus#0000 They usually lose a ton of money doing it [11-Feb-25 11:05 PM] zillatron#0000 so ... take their money or counter? [11-Feb-25 11:05 PM] laaxus#0000 We take their money [11-Feb-25 11:05 PM] zillatron#0000 i guess what im saying is i dont really get why people upset about it lol [11-Feb-25 11:05 PM] laaxus#0000 It's just annoying [11-Feb-25 11:06 PM] zillatron#0000 this isnt the first time ive seen it, i mean [11-Feb-25 11:06 PM] laaxus#0000 Imagine your entire set of bases rely on C [11-Feb-25 11:06 PM] zillatron#0000 i dont need to imagine, i was in that situation when i started [11-Feb-25 11:06 PM] laaxus#0000 Then someone dรฉcidรฉ to make C ten Time more expensive for the sake of it [11-Feb-25 11:07 PM] laaxus#0000 Market chaos is part of the fun {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [11-Feb-25 11:07 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm taking a GAL and BRM base offline soonโ„ข๏ธ [11-Feb-25 11:07 PM] laaxus#0000 It's just upseting lol [11-Feb-25 11:07 PM] zillatron#0000 so you set yourself up to not be screwed by the market going bannas [11-Feb-25 11:07 PM] zillatron#0000 because it will, for whatever reason, at some point [11-Feb-25 11:08 PM] laaxus#0000 Prun is considรฉred relatively PvP free [11-Feb-25 11:08 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah, but if moke fucks with the C market and i have 7k C, i can make a quick buck off it [11-Feb-25 11:08 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, but we need _something_ to complain about ๐Ÿ˜„ [11-Feb-25 11:08 PM] laaxus#0000 So I understand why market chaos is not liked [11-Feb-25 11:08 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't really moralize prun market manipulation. but that's probably because i'm vertically integrated enough to ignore the common targets [11-Feb-25 11:08 PM] jcheung#0000 psh. i can always find something to complain about [11-Feb-25 11:08 PM] jcheung#0000 *always* [11-Feb-25 11:08 PM] jvaler#0000 should i hoard it then? ๐Ÿ‘€ [11-Feb-25 11:09 PM] jcheung#0000 idk [11-Feb-25 11:09 PM] zillatron#0000 thats no way to run a ship (imo) [11-Feb-25 11:10 PM] zillatron#0000 thats a lot of eggs in 1 cargo hold [11-Feb-25 11:11 PM] jvaler#0000 gambling is good for the soul {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [11-Feb-25 11:12 PM] zillatron#0000 lol i dont disagree [11-Feb-25 11:12 PM] sidepipe#0000 Also @jcheung hmu if you need loans before you talk to lowstrife [11-Feb-25 11:12 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ‘€ [11-Feb-25 11:12 PM] jvaler#0000 also putting up fat CX orders is so satisfying [11-Feb-25 11:13 PM] zillatron#0000 my point was more along the line that complaining when someone buys out all the things doesnt really make sense to me [11-Feb-25 11:13 PM] jcheung#0000 i mean [11-Feb-25 11:13 PM] jcheung#0000 i wasn't complaining about it this particular time [11-Feb-25 11:13 PM] zillatron#0000 more indirectly [11-Feb-25 11:14 PM] zillatron#0000 the second point is waiting for someone to maybe do something to make a quick buck probs isnt a great long term strategy lol [11-Feb-25 11:14 PM] jcheung#0000 i mean [11-Feb-25 11:14 PM] jcheung#0000 on one side of the coin i'm waiting [11-Feb-25 11:15 PM] jcheung#0000 on the other side of the coin i have a stockpile of mats i use regularly [11-Feb-25 11:15 PM] zillatron#0000 thats not what i mean [11-Feb-25 11:15 PM] zillatron#0000 this is what i mean [11-Feb-25 11:15 PM] jcheung#0000 mmmhmmm. and if he never does it again, i slowly chip away at the pile myself [11-Feb-25 11:15 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm not making a *loss* [11-Feb-25 11:16 PM] zillatron#0000 ok let me re start [11-Feb-25 11:16 PM] zillatron#0000 why is 'fucking with the market' an issue? [11-Feb-25 11:16 PM] zillatron#0000 its just making money haha [11-Feb-25 11:16 PM] jcheung#0000 did i say it was an issue this time? [11-Feb-25 11:17 PM] zillatron#0000 calling it fucking with the market kinda does imply that yes haha [11-Feb-25 11:17 PM] zillatron#0000 anyway you do you man, its just curiosity on my part [11-Feb-25 11:17 PM] jcheung#0000 no, i just used it as a condition. if(mokeManipulatesMarket == true){sell C}else{use C} [11-Feb-25 11:18 PM] zillatron#0000 cool cool [11-Feb-25 11:18 PM] jcheung#0000 i get annoyed when things i buy get manipulated upwards, but i also don't see it as an issue {Reactions} tHONK [12-Feb-25 12:30 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 That's why I have spent a lot of time on non cx trading and contracts, I just need a source of C and I'll have everything covered. I favour the reliability of this method over the highs and lows of the market [12-Feb-25 01:31 AM] laaxus#0000 HEX is a meme [12-Feb-25 01:31 AM] laaxus#0000 It doesn't do anything [12-Feb-25 01:31 AM] vanarazor#0000 ohhh [12-Feb-25 01:31 AM] laaxus#0000 No one produce it, no one buys it [12-Feb-25 01:31 AM] laaxus#0000 Yeah, common pitfall [12-Feb-25 01:32 AM] laaxus#0000 Just because the daily profit in prunplanner is high [12-Feb-25 01:32 AM] laaxus#0000 Doesn't mean it's a good plan [12-Feb-25 01:32 AM] laaxus#0000 (tho it means it's worth investigating) [12-Feb-25 01:32 AM] vanarazor#0000 i used to play travian and ogame 10 -15 years ago, I understand the concept of specialised production [12-Feb-25 01:34 AM] vanarazor#0000 yet for the first planet I thought diversified production was going to be more profitable [12-Feb-25 01:34 AM] laaxus#0000 It's because you don't account for opportunity cost [12-Feb-25 01:35 AM] vanarazor#0000 also a good way for me to learn the intricated craft system [12-Feb-25 01:35 AM] vanarazor#0000 for example buying AL to use the recipe SI +AL instead of SI + C +O ? [12-Feb-25 01:36 AM] laaxus#0000 Yes [12-Feb-25 01:36 AM] laaxus#0000 To produce localy has one benefit : reducing shipping cost [12-Feb-25 01:37 AM] laaxus#0000 But most of the Time, relying on the market is better [12-Feb-25 01:37 AM] vanarazor#0000 which market are we talking about ? [12-Feb-25 01:37 AM] laaxus#0000 CX [12-Feb-25 01:37 AM] laaxus#0000 But don't believe me [12-Feb-25 01:37 AM] laaxus#0000 Make both bases in prunplanner [12-Feb-25 01:37 AM] laaxus#0000 And compare [12-Feb-25 01:43 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Moving the convo from #agp-operations over here, too. Please donโ€™t get us wrong, and I can totally understand your defensive position, because in basically every other game I would be the same ๐Ÿ˜‚ Weโ€™re not trying to frustrate you and would love you to stay and assistant you in any amount you like to. [12-Feb-25 01:43 AM] jcheung#0000 if you want easy profit just pump a bunch of DW [12-Feb-25 01:43 AM] jcheung#0000 it's insane on the market right now [12-Feb-25 01:43 AM] jcheung#0000 and a simple chain [12-Feb-25 01:44 AM] jcheung#0000 with the caveat that prunplanner is good, but not perfect [12-Feb-25 01:45 AM] laaxus#0000 you should always make your own decisions [12-Feb-25 01:46 AM] laaxus#0000 I can proudly says I was ahead of the community a few times [12-Feb-25 01:46 AM] laaxus#0000 because I looked at the data [12-Feb-25 01:46 AM] laaxus#0000 and found out that a few sector were going to be pretty profitable [12-Feb-25 01:47 AM] laaxus#0000 and I made lot of juicy profit with it ๐Ÿ˜„ [12-Feb-25 01:47 AM] vanarazor#0000 Haha thanks guys, appreciate the enthusiasm!! look I've just made my first real profit!! I'm way up now 14k AIC!! {Reactions} ๐Ÿฅณ [12-Feb-25 01:47 AM] vanarazor#0000 ๐Ÿคฃ [12-Feb-25 01:49 AM] pxlfox.#0000 If you like, I can elaborate a few basic concepts to keep in mind, when playing. Otherwise, just stay around and ask whatever you like ๐Ÿ˜‰ [12-Feb-25 01:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1254643011980234863/1339140639941464104 @jcheung I hate loans [12-Feb-25 02:03 AM] laaxus#0000 My only advice would be : pay a lot of attention at shipping cost [12-Feb-25 02:03 AM] vanarazor#0000 How is that ?supply is : 454033 and demand is 54524, price was 18 AIC higher 2 months ago it did crashed 2 weeks ago but now back to 101 AIC also you said my planet was not producing much water since it was cheaper to buy it (44.9) is 55AIC per unit profit worth it ? [12-Feb-25 02:03 AM] laaxus#0000 It Can eat your entire profit if you don't pay attention enough (for beginnners) [12-Feb-25 02:04 AM] pxlfox.#0000 supply and demand numbers aren't really a helpfull metric in my experience [12-Feb-25 02:04 AM] jcheung#0000 i didn't say produce your own dihydrogenmonoxide, buy that from the CX ๐Ÿ˜“ [12-Feb-25 02:05 AM] vanarazor#0000 No i've got that hence why I am asking about if 55 aic profit worth it [12-Feb-25 02:07 AM] vanarazor#0000 is COF and PWO a must have? or DW RAT and OVE enough? does 100 % satisfaction greater population growth reward than 70 %? [12-Feb-25 02:07 AM] jcheung#0000 bit shipping heavy, and it's not 55, but yes. it's worth it. [12-Feb-25 02:07 AM] evov#0000 I still produce my own dihydrogenmonoxide. Not sure it's worth it, but still have a full base dedicated to it. [12-Feb-25 02:08 AM] jcheung#0000 PWO is a must. COF is usually a good idea [12-Feb-25 02:08 AM] vanarazor#0000 I can still count my bases number with my thumb only so [12-Feb-25 02:08 AM] jcheung#0000 you're not producing that on phobos, you don't count ๐Ÿ˜œ [12-Feb-25 02:09 AM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/kahlief-adams-spawn-on-me-counting-on-hands-numbers-gif-17437475 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/kahlief-adams-spawn-on-me-counting-on-hands-numbers-gif-17437475 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ieUrbGltiwcZRW-6bVdpZjSYc8bnEzNglwh9Mow-jOo/https/media.tenor.com/tc9OyK1n9HQAAAAe/kahlief-adams-spawn-on-me.png [12-Feb-25 02:10 AM] jcheung#0000 four. the next one is four. [12-Feb-25 02:12 AM] pxlfox.#0000 iirc, population growth is mainly based on the planets condition and less on the worker happiness of you base [12-Feb-25 02:12 AM] pxlfox.#0000 so, I would say no [12-Feb-25 02:12 AM] jcheung#0000 not talking about growth [12-Feb-25 02:12 AM] jcheung#0000 this is workspeed [12-Feb-25 02:13 AM] jcheung#0000 PWO is mandatory [12-Feb-25 02:13 AM] jcheung#0000 COF at its current price depends on your product, but usually yes [12-Feb-25 02:13 AM] vanarazor#0000 and COF is a must, god knows what I would do without my morning coffee [12-Feb-25 02:13 AM] vanarazor#0000 I do not want to deal with a suicide crisis on my first planet [12-Feb-25 02:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/index.html {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/index.html Efficiency factors :: Prosperous Universe Handbook Prosperous Universe Wiki [12-Feb-25 02:14 AM] vanarazor#0000 my workers are not even paid.. if they are with the production fee, means peanut to me (for now) [12-Feb-25 02:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 worker consumables mainly affect there efficiency, therefore the amount you produce and your profit [12-Feb-25 02:20 AM] vanarazor#0000 ooh yep, prunplanner is telling me that i'm losing 3K a day .. [12-Feb-25 02:21 AM] vanarazor#0000 and it has not accounted for COF and PWO [12-Feb-25 02:30 AM] vanarazor#0000 how can I add the right order in my production? inprunplanner? [12-Feb-25 02:31 AM] laaxus#0000 wdym ? [12-Feb-25 02:31 AM] vanarazor#0000 it does not allow me to select SIO in EXT or HCP in FRM or SI in SME [12-Feb-25 02:32 AM] laaxus#0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi-i6rLZMaQ {Embed} Lord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi-i6rLZMaQ How to use Prunplanner for Prosperous Universe Hopefully this video helps you understand how to set up Prunplanner, if you have any questions please leave them below --Links-- The official Prosp discord https://discord.gg/YkwpJ2hdDE Link to Prunplanner https://prunplanner.org/ Background audio used https://youtu.be/EM5KwkTQzsE Ending music from Sweet Cafe https://youtu.be/6DhONAQfEVg https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/DSq6GXwpy1FwDBpBlIBMy2TpSSXULzOp4ckXQXPKUp0/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/Vi-i6rLZMaQ/maxresdefault.jpg {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™Œ๐Ÿฝ [12-Feb-25 02:32 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm at work, so I can't debug it with you [12-Feb-25 02:32 AM] laaxus#0000 but this video should help you [12-Feb-25 02:33 AM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/back-to-work-ryuzaki-death-note-gif-10567373994136330698 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/back-to-work-ryuzaki-death-note-gif-10567373994136330698 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/akzOu9huzrBv-Qn6n0Bkvl4fsTJDdq7YrJJf6ffAvqQ/https/media.tenor.com/kqbaqMkyYcoAAAAe/back-to-work-ryuzaki.png [12-Feb-25 02:33 AM] vanarazor#0000 thank you [12-Feb-25 02:33 AM] jcheung#0000 "add order" [12-Feb-25 02:33 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339152510342135911/image.png?ex=68148376&is=681331f6&hm=5f756e4c41513e70a53219cab28624858bc9a470960450fd4ec32cd52df7d85d& [12-Feb-25 02:34 AM] laaxus#0000 I heavily recommend those CX settings [12-Feb-25 02:34 AM] jcheung#0000 really good for starting out [12-Feb-25 02:34 AM] jcheung#0000 gives a more accurate idea of what you can expect for returns [12-Feb-25 02:34 AM] jcheung#0000 not perfect, but close enough [12-Feb-25 02:34 AM] laaxus#0000 not only for starting out, I am still using it 150 days into the game [12-Feb-25 02:36 AM] jcheung#0000 yeah, nothing wrong with that [12-Feb-25 02:36 AM] jcheung#0000 tempers expectations [12-Feb-25 02:42 AM] vanarazor#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/1e65741a-10e7-4bbe-b437-1bebee26c58a {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/1e65741a-10e7-4bbe-b437-1bebee26c58a PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [12-Feb-25 02:42 AM] vanarazor#0000 Am i missing some informations to add? [12-Feb-25 02:43 AM] vanarazor#0000 oh yup i was up 3.8K and back down to 1.8K profit [12-Feb-25 02:47 AM] laaxus#0000 those settings basically gives you a good floor for the profit [12-Feb-25 02:48 AM] laaxus#0000 and that's essential [12-Feb-25 02:48 AM] laaxus#0000 as a beginner, you can't afford to lose money ๐Ÿ˜„ [12-Feb-25 02:50 AM] vanarazor#0000 thanks [12-Feb-25 02:50 AM] vanarazor#0000 I see you guys around ay {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [12-Feb-25 02:50 AM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/nanka-lazy-work-paint-dont-work-too-hard-gif-17699381 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/nanka-lazy-work-paint-dont-work-too-hard-gif-17699381 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/0J8RUgL_Hj-xKNnaWMXySsK9ATnfoqSfmQcTBu8kyBs/https/media.tenor.com/RuSrrEmOf5IAAAAe/nanka-lazy.png [12-Feb-25 03:52 AM] jcheung#0000 instead of this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339172284363178024/image.png?ex=681495e1&is=68134461&hm=83fbe305fb40371169327f4bf24cde0837649a4aab00c2b1adf1273369ac35e5& [12-Feb-25 03:52 AM] jcheung#0000 do this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339172293670338571/image.png?ex=681495e3&is=68134463&hm=3c8b50b7a89185005e870d17296a1e92394e592f63b27f450df9ee0a88554232& [12-Feb-25 03:53 AM] vanarazor#0000 yeah that one makes more sencse: https://prunplanner.org/shared/226bcc4f-dcb4-4e27-a463-f382d6386dbb {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/226bcc4f-dcb4-4e27-a463-f382d6386dbb PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [12-Feb-25 03:53 AM] vanarazor#0000 and now off to bed [12-Feb-25 03:53 AM] jcheung#0000 what it's for is stuff like this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339172458749497364/image.png?ex=6814960a&is=6813448a&hm=2e3a88d5f7e85757cd90cb2d3fa91a07b4c9acd4c13114e64c895867c3a37722& [12-Feb-25 03:53 AM] jcheung#0000 which reads "produce 1 run of SI, then 2 runs of AL, then 1 run of CU" {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ [12-Feb-25 03:54 AM] vanarazor#0000 best profit .. ofc no diversification [12-Feb-25 03:54 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339172848559980654/image.png?ex=68149667&is=681344e7&hm=dbb720bbc28e9f32cc9cc53d096bd06813b78d33cb708d838cf3261ea5d68e64& [12-Feb-25 03:54 AM] jcheung#0000 yeah. now, there are other factors that can play into it [12-Feb-25 03:54 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339172889739399178/image.png?ex=68149671&is=681344f1&hm=a7933819c61bf794e6996e81ccfece77b44c93c638e472ca9a410d5709c5ded7& [12-Feb-25 03:55 AM] vanarazor#0000 rather than my current : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339172978474090537/image.png?ex=68149686&is=68134506&hm=727a72a82547ed096f8f369c1760a951039bf43dfabcfc596f60dd9722b48ef0& [12-Feb-25 03:55 AM] jcheung#0000 but i'm sorry to tell you that your options are super limited on phobos [12-Feb-25 03:55 AM] jcheung#0000 anything that's currently built with the exception of the RIG can stay until it's time for repairs or your base is filled out [12-Feb-25 04:00 AM] vanarazor#0000 am I better off just COLIQ my 5 days ? [12-Feb-25 04:00 AM] vanarazor#0000 seems that way reading you [12-Feb-25 04:01 AM] jcheung#0000 that's certainly an option-you're not permanently stuck ofc [12-Feb-25 04:01 AM] jcheung#0000 if you opt for that though, i would spend some time planning out your next steps before doing the coliq [12-Feb-25 04:01 AM] jcheung#0000 it's not uncommon for people to coliq after a week or two [12-Feb-25 05:33 AM] moke.#0000 Market is too stable to mess with. C is safe for now. [12-Feb-25 05:34 AM] moke.#0000 But I have my own stockpile to make profits off of anyway. So by all means ๐Ÿ˜‰ [12-Feb-25 05:58 AM] tanda#0000 ah, that's where the AUO has been hiding [12-Feb-25 06:09 AM] tanda#0000 @Market Alerts {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339206657057620058/image.png?ex=6814b5e4&is=68136464&hm=1a2afe8e01df72b1bb219ef1a77eafa3a9f2b3b2731bb1c031ebe1c62088d394& [12-Feb-25 06:16 AM] zillatron#0000 I put a few hundred up from my own supply, i'll put some more up tomorrow if the usual suppliers havent stepped in [12-Feb-25 06:17 AM] tanda#0000 All CXs are a bit thin, except for HRT [12-Feb-25 06:18 AM] laaxus#0000 what BUI makes NS ? [12-Feb-25 06:19 AM] zillatron#0000 CHP [12-Feb-25 06:22 AM] tanda#0000 there's one really good planet for it nearby too: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339210062165577810/image.png?ex=6814b910&is=68136790&hm=f774074be8c0dead759a65e782b7611abd936fcf2db2c9679b3104a103214044& [12-Feb-25 06:23 AM] laaxus#0000 I could produce NS for a while, is it shipping heavy ? [12-Feb-25 06:23 AM] zillatron#0000 bober! [12-Feb-25 06:23 AM] laaxus#0000 I have 2 CHP bases [12-Feb-25 06:23 AM] tanda#0000 if you go on that planet, the heaviest thing you have to ship is LST [12-Feb-25 06:23 AM] tanda#0000 I can't remember the rate of consumption, but I don't think it's crazy high [12-Feb-25 06:24 AM] laaxus#0000 (I don't really want to build a new bases) [12-Feb-25 06:25 AM] zillatron#0000 10 CHP with 5 experts is about 80-ish a day [12-Feb-25 06:25 AM] tanda#0000 looks like you'd need to import every 4 days if you're doing it all somewhere like Origo or Bober [12-Feb-25 12:01 PM] pagy1234#0000 ๐Ÿ˜” {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339295274031386664/Screenshot_2025-02-13_at_2.01.05_AM.png?ex=6815086c&is=6813b6ec&hm=17d79c7426b7b8e9d5df9a20601d038e3e29c4745a46a4f851a957f37ab720cb& [12-Feb-25 12:01 PM] pagy1234#0000 anyways im not gonna be able to play for a bit [12-Feb-25 12:01 PM] pagy1234#0000 will be back roughly next week monday {Reactions} link_cool [12-Feb-25 12:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Hope you have a good weekend [12-Feb-25 12:13 PM] jvaler#0000 wow FLX is cheap rn [12-Feb-25 12:13 PM] jvaler#0000 and lots on offer [12-Feb-25 12:13 PM] jvaler#0000 i'd stock up [12-Feb-25 12:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh good I can add to my dragon hoarde of flux [12-Feb-25 12:18 PM] .shiva.#0000 I still have a lot from the manipulation a while back. But do I need more? [12-Feb-25 12:20 PM] .shiva.#0000 Oh ehh it's not that cheap [12-Feb-25 12:21 PM] pagy1234#0000 Thanks :D {Reactions} link_cool [12-Feb-25 12:24 PM] jvaler#0000 lowest it's been in 180d ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339301228244635728/image.png?ex=68150df7&is=6813bc77&hm=d6473a78aeab5ae0c9f833aad527d404f10108f6aa1eb2f3568f00df70ee51fe& [12-Feb-25 12:27 PM] .shiva.#0000 Yeah, i have like 10-12k still though, most of which I bought at well below 100 [12-Feb-25 12:27 PM] .shiva.#0000 So relatively not so much [12-Feb-25 01:11 PM] jvaler#0000 ah [12-Feb-25 02:22 PM] archielvahr#0000 Hey did anyone have an FF order filled on ANT or BEN? Someone dropped 580,000 FF on ANT and 310,000 on BEN really cheaply, and it seems like it was a 7d account that was Unrated. Curious if my info is correct for that [12-Feb-25 02:23 PM] archielvahr#0000 Check your XIT CXTS for FF like 16 hours ago [12-Feb-25 02:31 PM] jcheung#0000 damn. wish i had a FF order up [13-Feb-25 01:51 AM] vanarazor#0000 hey!! what do you mean by "base is filled out"? [13-Feb-25 01:51 AM] vanarazor#0000 could I simply demolish production to opt towards better profit? [13-Feb-25 01:52 AM] pxlfox.#0000 probably until you fill out all 500 available spaces [13-Feb-25 01:52 AM] vanarazor#0000 from what I get fromt he prplanner, the best option would be simply having 4 extractor [13-Feb-25 01:52 AM] vanarazor#0000 ohhhhh [13-Feb-25 01:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 sure - you will only get a fragment of the construction materials back, so keep that in mind [13-Feb-25 01:54 AM] vanarazor#0000 nevermind, I guess I'm going to wait for more pop to just build more extrators then [13-Feb-25 01:55 AM] vanarazor#0000 what's the range of the poulation review? [13-Feb-25 01:55 AM] vanarazor#0000 is it by 100's? [13-Feb-25 01:56 AM] vanarazor#0000 for example, as of right now, my workforce is 200 but I 'd required 240 , if I build some habitation, would that potentially give me 40 , 100 ? pop for the next pop review? what would be the optimised way to grow population ? [13-Feb-25 01:59 AM] vanarazor#0000 from what I gather from prplanner the HB1 defines my pop growth taking in account job opportunity [13-Feb-25 02:00 AM] pxlfox.#0000 the HB1 provides space for workers [13-Feb-25 02:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 "required" is what you need to full all jobs, "current" is the amount you currently have employed and "capacity" is the space you have. Capacity is defined by the habitats you build (e.g. HB1). You can't have more popultation then capacity, so you should always have build at least as much capacity as required. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339506907571945522/image.png?ex=68147c05&is=68132a85&hm=411b44636760917c90e63d22a2ce54e64c9e20c9ca53375a46e99c8393f8d386& [13-Feb-25 02:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 pop growth is defined by the planets condition [13-Feb-25 02:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 which are monitored and regulated by the planets government [13-Feb-25 02:03 AM] pxlfox.#0000 normally, on basically all developed planets (which Phobos is), you will get your pioneers filled with the next population report (POPR), which is once a week. [13-Feb-25 02:04 AM] vanarazor#0000 interesting [13-Feb-25 02:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 to check the POPR of your planet, use `POPR ` (e.g. `POPR ZV-759c`) [13-Feb-25 02:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 you get the timestamp of the last report and can anticipate by that when the next one will be {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339507967854120981/image.png?ex=68147d02&is=68132b82&hm=9af447833af5fb0889a1c8d101997ee8845a4b25b02a94701af21a58542a48f1& [13-Feb-25 02:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 (again, every 7 days) [13-Feb-25 02:07 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339508195185397842/image.png?ex=68147d38&is=68132bb8&hm=2481be3a1686e5e4f89501d05e13eb3156c1e3d0f64c481a3c7b869f70297988& [13-Feb-25 02:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 so if your base requires more population and you have the capacity for it, you will get them filled in roughly 6 days [13-Feb-25 02:08 AM] vanarazor#0000 crystal clear [13-Feb-25 02:08 AM] vanarazor#0000 I defeinitely did not choose my production line profitably [13-Feb-25 02:09 AM] vanarazor#0000 but prplanner is amazing [13-Feb-25 02:10 AM] jcheung#0000 couple points about this. 'open jobs' and 'unemployment' are slightly inaccurate, those are the values from before POPR. you need to modify them (the one not at 0) by the 'change' [13-Feb-25 02:10 AM] vanarazor#0000 the most effective to address the situation is spamming EXT and HB accordingly [13-Feb-25 02:10 AM] jcheung#0000 so the planet is actually only 1281 scientists short [13-Feb-25 02:11 AM] pxlfox.#0000 yep, basically. As you build production facilities you should also provide the required space for the workers {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ [13-Feb-25 02:12 AM] vanarazor#0000 how do you get that number ? [13-Feb-25 02:12 AM] pxlfox.#0000 pioneers and settlers will most like just fill up. Every other higher pop tier might need intervention by the government to get them filled [13-Feb-25 02:12 AM] vanarazor#0000 scientifics were 9909 change was 143 [13-Feb-25 02:13 AM] jcheung#0000 as far as unemployment, you can figure out roughly how many are available for you to use by just multiplying the pop count by the unemployment number-doesn't really matter so much on this planet, but does for smaller worlds; IE there's 10k free pioneers available right now (or rather, at next POPR, there's a smaller amount available for instant hire) [13-Feb-25 02:13 AM] jcheung#0000 open jobs 1424 - change 143 = actual open 1281 {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ [13-Feb-25 02:14 AM] vanarazor#0000 I see less chances to get the favorable population review on some more competitive worlds [13-Feb-25 02:15 AM] jcheung#0000 usually pioneers and settlers aren't a major concern [13-Feb-25 02:15 AM] vanarazor#0000 does make sense, the better conditions, the more attracted the people are subject to get [13-Feb-25 02:16 AM] vanarazor#0000 there is much larger pool for pionneers than settlers and technician than engineers and scientists [13-Feb-25 02:17 AM] vanarazor#0000 however no open jobs left for neither of them except scientists [13-Feb-25 02:17 AM] vanarazor#0000 I can see change on the negative side tho for pioneers and settlers, that means HBs have been demolished on the planet : Phobos? [13-Feb-25 02:53 AM] evov#0000 More 5k5k Ships available soon. Whenever I get these puppies back to the CX. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339519809267957801/image.png?ex=68148809&is=68133689&hm=23b45fa6767d94b25eb33e56941d6ba636f607696d0e2abf5decc70892d2e9fe& [13-Feb-25 03:07 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bHrSQ.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/kevin-hart-kevin-hart-damn-gif-22709278 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/5JRk8tkjomIpfIi6o3ODMGIG-DrJeWd2sZzsFka06mc/https/media.tenor.com/4nHT9rWrijQAAAAe/kevin-hart-kevin.png [13-Feb-25 03:07 AM] jcheung#0000 that's not what that means [13-Feb-25 11:02 AM] .urpalhal#0000 So you can have the homes for SCI and ENG but that doesnโ€™t necessarily mean that there will be SCI and ENG on the planet ready to move into those homes. [13-Feb-25 11:15 AM] finestone#0000 @Market Alerts CU bought out [13-Feb-25 11:21 AM] laaxus#0000 @pxlfox. [13-Feb-25 11:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 What you mean, itโ€™s bought out? [13-Feb-25 11:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 There is plenty of CU on the market [13-Feb-25 11:27 AM] laaxus#0000 oh yeah true [13-Feb-25 11:28 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Are you sure, or is that a typo? [13-Feb-25 11:28 AM] realharvey#0000 but the price skyrocketed [13-Feb-25 11:28 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Thatโ€™s true [13-Feb-25 11:28 AM] realharvey#0000 around 2k before now 3,8k [13-Feb-25 11:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Well, I will start pumping more CU into the market in a few days [13-Feb-25 11:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 If anybody here wants some for 1,300, contact me ๐Ÿ˜Ž [13-Feb-25 11:30 AM] finestone#0000 3.8k is not a reasonable copper price unless your referring to the 10k @ 10k price which i also dont consider reasonable [13-Feb-25 11:32 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I agree to that [13-Feb-25 11:33 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Thought you mean it literally got sold out ๐Ÿ˜… [13-Feb-25 11:40 AM] finestone#0000 I will specify all reasonably priced copper has been bought out ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ˜˜ [13-Feb-25 03:56 PM] vanarazor#0000 wait a scond [13-Feb-25 03:56 PM] vanarazor#0000 did someone just sscammed me ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339716881631936522/image.png?ex=681496d3&is=68134553&hm=6e5cc93adb18f115aca1936f3c163926a867f578d924657545ec202a707bc4c2& [13-Feb-25 03:57 PM] laaxus#0000 no [13-Feb-25 03:57 PM] laaxus#0000 he's just giving money to new players [13-Feb-25 03:57 PM] laaxus#0000 1 rat is litterally worthless [13-Feb-25 03:57 PM] laaxus#0000 like [13-Feb-25 03:57 PM] laaxus#0000 for us players worth 200M [13-Feb-25 03:57 PM] jvaler#0000 literal breadcrumb [13-Feb-25 03:58 PM] laaxus#0000 we couldn't care less about 1 Rat [13-Feb-25 03:58 PM] vanarazor#0000 what about that 15 K aic? [13-Feb-25 03:58 PM] laaxus#0000 he'll give it to you at some point [13-Feb-25 03:58 PM] laaxus#0000 relax [13-Feb-25 03:58 PM] jvaler#0000 the party column says the other person, so you aren't paying that [13-Feb-25 03:58 PM] vanarazor#0000 I thought I had to pay [13-Feb-25 03:58 PM] vanarazor#0000 ohhh [13-Feb-25 03:58 PM] jvaler#0000 if you were supposed to there would be a fulfill button {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [13-Feb-25 03:59 PM] vanarazor#0000 wow such a gentleman [13-Feb-25 03:59 PM] vanarazor#0000 thankss [13-Feb-25 03:59 PM] laaxus#0000 Scammers scam for big money [13-Feb-25 03:59 PM] laaxus#0000 but 15k is literally 3m of profit for big players [13-Feb-25 04:00 PM] vanarazor#0000 how can i send a message to that person ? is that the managing director ? [13-Feb-25 04:00 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339717817800331327/image.png?ex=681497b2&is=68134632&hm=fcb8a12923c6a8777c50dfb2f4cae0fbe07014c83fea987f20ecf21f00c728aa& [13-Feb-25 04:00 PM] laaxus#0000 click on the director [13-Feb-25 04:00 PM] laaxus#0000 then there should be a contact button [13-Feb-25 04:25 PM] jcheung#0000 i think that's the literal opposite of a scam [13-Feb-25 04:26 PM] laaxus#0000 yeah [13-Feb-25 04:26 PM] laaxus#0000 I like to call the AGP a reverse pyramid scheme [13-Feb-25 04:28 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah at first I thought it was giving me aic and 1 rat but then I thought the opposite I thouth I had to pay 15K for 1 RAT [13-Feb-25 04:28 PM] vanarazor#0000 thses 15 K are going to help a lot [13-Feb-25 04:28 PM] laaxus#0000 then you should consider the 100k interest free loan [13-Feb-25 04:28 PM] vanarazor#0000 Im gonna be able to build a couple extractor and couple of HB [13-Feb-25 04:29 PM] laaxus#0000 that you can find on the ufo [13-Feb-25 04:30 PM] vanarazor#0000 "ufo" ? [13-Feb-25 04:30 PM] vanarazor#0000 unified factions operations [13-Feb-25 04:30 PM] vanarazor#0000 found it [13-Feb-25 04:30 PM] laaxus#0000 https://discord.gg/vwcUJx8HHP [13-Feb-25 04:31 PM] laaxus#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1202242406494244924 [13-Feb-25 08:09 PM] vanarazor#0000 how can I add PWO and COF into my material I/O cost? in pruplanner? [13-Feb-25 08:11 PM] tanda#0000 the checkboxes that say LUX1 and LUX2 to the right of the workforce in question (PIO, SET, TEC, etc) [13-Feb-25 08:11 PM] vanarazor#0000 oh awesome thank you [13-Feb-25 09:31 PM] .shiva.#0000 ... idk why someone sells 1 O into a buy order, but it's now happened twice in a few hours {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339801097761718385/image.png?ex=6814e542&is=681393c2&hm=40116fc89d542ac712a625397e7c1921c9c4414d22974e0dd50988d303578552& [13-Feb-25 09:36 PM] manhim#0000 I got someone that bought a single unit 20 times on my O sell order last day [13-Feb-25 09:55 PM] jcheung#0000 selling 1 could be as simple as "i have leftovers after supplying and i don't want to have 1 unit of stuff" [13-Feb-25 09:56 PM] vanarazor#0000 probably some new player getting the hang of the BFR CMD [13-Feb-25 09:57 PM] jcheung#0000 seen it from older players year+ [13-Feb-25 10:05 PM] vanarazor#0000 @jcheung you here? [13-Feb-25 10:06 PM] vanarazor#0000 I've played a little with prplanner and on phobos the most profitable is FULL EXT [13-Feb-25 10:07 PM] jcheung#0000 don't be afraid to check other industries [13-Feb-25 10:08 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah, turns out FRM is actually more profitable than RIG/SME/and even COL [13-Feb-25 10:08 PM] vanarazor#0000 so I ll keep COL and FRM for now but in transition to fully produce from EXT [13-Feb-25 10:09 PM] vanarazor#0000 hopefully on my second base on another planet doing something else [13-Feb-25 10:09 PM] jcheung#0000 check out like... 20 FPs making DW [13-Feb-25 10:09 PM] vanarazor#0000 is there a way to access database of planets [13-Feb-25 10:09 PM] jcheung#0000 look up and left [13-Feb-25 10:09 PM] jcheung#0000 'planet search' [13-Feb-25 10:10 PM] jcheung#0000 is it perfect? no. not at all. but it gets you a lot [13-Feb-25 10:11 PM] vanarazor#0000 ohhh no way DW from H2O + PG is a 4K higher profit than 15 EXT even with 3 Metallurgist [13-Feb-25 10:12 PM] jcheung#0000 what about without PG [13-Feb-25 10:13 PM] vanarazor#0000 20aic less [13-Feb-25 10:16 PM] vanarazor#0000 but 20 fp uses way less space slot tho [13-Feb-25 10:41 PM] vanarazor#0000 what would be the strategy for the second base? filling in your material cost of the first one? if the first one 20 FP should I find the closest most producing H20 planet? here i see SE-110C H2O 65% [13-Feb-25 10:47 PM] vanarazor#0000 does it sound like a good idea since for that I would need to build 1CM 8HB1 16RIG (counting that I can use 5 experts + COF and PWO) for 1,314,796.91 $ [13-Feb-25 10:48 PM] vanarazor#0000 which would negate material cost of planet ROI on 12 days [13-Feb-25 10:48 PM] vanarazor#0000 not sure how to account for the fuel yet tho [13-Feb-25 10:49 PM] vanarazor#0000 it does sound like a good idea to me or am I missing something, what do you guys think?? [13-Feb-25 10:57 PM] vanarazor#0000 that's accounting that first bae is using PG for DW [13-Feb-25 11:30 PM] jcheung#0000 is that ISA? [13-Feb-25 11:31 PM] jcheung#0000 could be an idea. i'd be worried about being able to ship all that though [13-Feb-25 11:48 PM] vanarazor#0000 yes it is ISA, and if I am using PG + H2O, I need roughly half the H2O than I would need without PG , then would necessitate a shipment every 2-3 days [14-Feb-25 05:37 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Is it worth going for BTS/W? it feels like there is no public market their, only vertical integrations. And a single base would probably already saturate the market in ANT [14-Feb-25 05:55 AM] realharvey#0000 I run it fully integrated myself [14-Feb-25 06:06 AM] realharvey#0000 One BTS base can supply about 3 AML bases making W. The BTS base on Aratora costs about 2.5 Mil, an AML Base costs about 10.7 Mil [14-Feb-25 06:07 AM] realharvey#0000 since you need engineers those AML bases might aswell also run slow for a while because its more diffucult to get pop [14-Feb-25 06:09 AM] pxlfox.#0000 With the new HCB, demand should have increased, tho the market isnโ€™t really noticing it [14-Feb-25 06:09 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I figured that the ones needing it have probably their own production for it [14-Feb-25 06:10 AM] realharvey#0000 its an interesting new product yes: But ship demand is actually not that high right now. Even with RISE leaving I've not noticed a significant drop in Evo's store [14-Feb-25 06:12 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And the new HCBs are really expensive, making them a luxury at the moment [14-Feb-25 06:12 AM] realharvey#0000 All I want to tell you is: It might be a good opportunity to make money, but it has a high risk and high investment cost [14-Feb-25 06:13 AM] realharvey#0000 I did take that route, but I have more money that I can burn [14-Feb-25 06:14 AM] realharvey#0000 I could tear down my aratora base if you want to vertically integrate into Corgi business [14-Feb-25 06:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Basically, I could support you and an own AML, couldnโ€™t I? ๐Ÿค” [14-Feb-25 06:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I would love to get into that market eventually [14-Feb-25 06:15 AM] realharvey#0000 hmm do I want to feed a competitor? :D [14-Feb-25 06:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Tho I would either need a loan or 2-3 weeks, till I have the cash for it [14-Feb-25 06:16 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Are you selling the W on market, or using it for other things? [14-Feb-25 06:16 AM] realharvey#0000 I turn it into WAL [14-Feb-25 06:16 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Because I just want to supply the W ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜‚ [14-Feb-25 06:16 AM] realharvey#0000 and then into HCB [14-Feb-25 06:17 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Yeah, it might be a an easy step, but I rather use my permits for more metal production ๐Ÿ˜‰ [14-Feb-25 06:17 AM] pxlfox.#0000 so, not really a competitor, more a supplier [14-Feb-25 09:19 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1339979248655405189/image.png?ex=6814e26c&is=681390ec&hm=e56c895d3769a9d19b6fa98f843fcf7ba309f131f298182d866236eb934b1c52& [14-Feb-25 09:19 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/OG7Q.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/shit-gif-9659828 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/tLOY7PPI6yfvlAyTBIf5lLuVpthEL1YCCKduuTITzD8/https/media.tenor.com/t-HwcppUVWAAAAAe/shit.png [14-Feb-25 09:24 AM] sidepipe#0000 Glad I bought EXO yesterday ๐Ÿ˜„ [14-Feb-25 11:12 AM] igfloz#0000 WTF !?! Wher'd my Internal Offers go ?? [14-Feb-25 11:13 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Woah good question [14-Feb-25 11:43 AM] jvaler#0000 wait i was told you were leaving the game? [14-Feb-25 11:43 AM] jvaler#0000 i'm so sorry if that wasn't the case [14-Feb-25 11:44 AM] igfloz#0000 If I'm honest, I don't have as much interest as I used to have - But I'd post something if I was shutting up shop. [14-Feb-25 11:46 AM] igfloz#0000 I've been sabotaged !!! LOL {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฅ [14-Feb-25 11:52 AM] archielvahr#0000 Don't buy any ships from any other ship builders. They are leaving the game. I'm the only one left. You heard it here first ๐Ÿ˜† {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [14-Feb-25 11:55 AM] realharvey#0000 90% of the time when I look at your OOG Offers you are sold out :D [14-Feb-25 11:56 AM] realharvey#0000 you make us look elsewhere :D [14-Feb-25 11:58 AM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah they sell too fast usually ๐Ÿ˜… or unexpectedly someone buys a bunch internally, etc [14-Feb-25 12:03 PM] jcheung#0000 Sorry to hear you're leavinv evov [14-Feb-25 12:04 PM] jcheung#0000 Do you do ship parts too, or only complete ships? [14-Feb-25 12:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ll do better make more ships more betterer [14-Feb-25 12:22 PM] archielvahr#0000 Generally only complete ships cause I don't like sending too many contracts [14-Feb-25 12:22 PM] archielvahr#0000 If you happen to want the items I have in excess, we can make that work ๐Ÿ˜‰ [14-Feb-25 12:56 PM] jcheung#0000 What do you have excess of ๐Ÿ‘€ [14-Feb-25 12:57 PM] jcheung#0000 Rather, what do you usually have excess of [14-Feb-25 12:57 PM] jcheung#0000 Because I'm too broke right this minute [14-Feb-25 01:17 PM] jvaler#0000 just checked bot log, i think the post was too old for it to save ๐Ÿ˜” sorry again [14-Feb-25 01:17 PM] igfloz#0000 it's all good ๐Ÿ™‚ [14-Feb-25 01:31 PM] igfloz#0000 Filled ๐Ÿ˜„ [14-Feb-25 08:08 PM] evov#0000 Nah, plenty of ships for sale right here. I think in all the time I've been selling ships, only once was I out of stock of something and someone had to wait an extra couple days. If I get enough stock built up I might offer discounts if people want to buy 10 ships at a time ๐Ÿ™‚ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1340142727987204136/image.png?ex=6814d1ed&is=6813806d&hm=006bf36ca2382bfba6ee523fa8eb739189bb853160aaf86cff36eb1648743f9b& [14-Feb-25 08:09 PM] evov#0000 Oh, 2x HCB's available for anyone who's itching for the new thing. [14-Feb-25 08:09 PM] tanda#0000 itching for it, can't afford it, lol [14-Feb-25 08:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I almost have enough WAL to make one [14-Feb-25 08:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Who do I have to bribe to let me use their SKF ๐Ÿ‘€ {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [14-Feb-25 08:11 PM] tanda#0000 probably Evayoo? [14-Feb-25 09:01 PM] archielvahr#0000 Bookliko and TimurOm both have idle time [14-Feb-25 09:39 PM] jcheung#0000 awww shit [14-Feb-25 09:39 PM] jcheung#0000 i forgot about POPR [14-Feb-25 09:39 PM] jcheung#0000 damnit. [14-Feb-25 09:39 PM] jcheung#0000 oh well, i guess i can put part of this base together >.> [14-Feb-25 09:39 PM] jcheung#0000 try to remember for next week <.< [14-Feb-25 10:30 PM] tanda#0000 well if the governor of Aceland weren't xepiov, you'd be in a bit better of a position [14-Feb-25 10:31 PM] tanda#0000 That's what I get for sleeping on voting on all my planets. I will have to be more vigilant now with Rise and Paris not being "instant-vote" names for most people [14-Feb-25 10:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 [14-Feb-25 10:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Heโ€™s the governor of aceland? [14-Feb-25 10:58 PM] evany.#0000 yeah hit me up mate! {Reactions} DancieBoi [14-Feb-25 11:50 PM] vanarazor#0000 can you explain what is the consequences of "xepiov" being governor of Aceland for a novice like me ? [14-Feb-25 11:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Xepiov is a player who is notoriously bad at communicating with anyone. As far as I know Iโ€™ve only ever seen one message from him ever. [15-Feb-25 12:01 AM] vanarazor#0000 oh yeah that for sure does not help.. I thought that it had something to do with the fact that it was a governor and probably from a different faction/government etc [15-Feb-25 12:01 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh maybe that too [15-Feb-25 12:02 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But also I have heard that he doesnโ€™t govern good either, tho thatโ€™s just hearsay and not trustworthy [15-Feb-25 12:02 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Weโ€™re really racist toward non antarians here [15-Feb-25 12:02 AM] vanarazor#0000 hahaha [15-Feb-25 12:03 AM] vanarazor#0000 fair enough [15-Feb-25 12:03 AM] vanarazor#0000 to continue the topic started on agp operations and leave that channel clear or sidetrack topic, my first base is set up, I know have to wait for pop review and profit to come in the pocket {Reactions} dancyboi DancieBoi partyhehe [15-Feb-25 12:04 AM] vanarazor#0000 first base is producing DW, everything seems to go smooth {Reactions} thirsty [15-Feb-25 12:04 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Very nice [15-Feb-25 12:05 AM] vanarazor#0000 i ws thinking second base would be producing water the on neighbor ice world [15-Feb-25 12:05 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Ice station alpha? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ [15-Feb-25 12:05 AM] vanarazor#0000 and then from there hope fully understand better the crafting system and what the neighbor are duying/need [15-Feb-25 12:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I would caution against it as a second base [15-Feb-25 12:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 ISA is pricy to build on [15-Feb-25 12:06 AM] vanarazor#0000 because of the cost to set it up due to harsh conditions ? [15-Feb-25 12:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yep [15-Feb-25 12:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 INS is the big kicker there [15-Feb-25 12:07 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I think as a 3rd or 4th base it could work [15-Feb-25 12:07 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But also [15-Feb-25 12:07 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m not the CEO of your company [15-Feb-25 12:07 AM] vanarazor#0000 but can;t see a building using it {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1340202907634761818/image.png?ex=681509f8&is=6813b878&hm=4d42f245903254b61063377696a3e04fd692451e8a237821e4f88aeb04c51be2& [15-Feb-25 12:08 AM] vanarazor#0000 could I onl see it if I were to build on ISA? [15-Feb-25 12:08 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yep [15-Feb-25 12:08 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s based on the temperature [15-Feb-25 12:08 AM] .urpalhal#0000 So like Halcyon (another planet) is also cold and needs INS [15-Feb-25 12:08 AM] .urpalhal#0000 If you start a plan in PrUnPlanner it will show you how much INS you need [15-Feb-25 12:09 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I think it is 10 INS per area used [15-Feb-25 12:09 AM] vanarazor#0000 where? : https://prunplanner.org/shared/86c5185e-2b11-49b8-ba71-ba205abd9bf9 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/86c5185e-2b11-49b8-ba71-ba205abd9bf9 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [15-Feb-25 12:09 AM] .urpalhal#0000 So a full 500 area base would be 5000 INS [15-Feb-25 12:10 AM] .urpalhal#0000 In the constitution cart [15-Feb-25 12:10 AM] vanarazor#0000 oh yep gotcha [15-Feb-25 12:11 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh and HSE is 1 per building [15-Feb-25 12:11 AM] .urpalhal#0000 And each HSE is like 20k/u [15-Feb-25 12:12 AM] vanarazor#0000 Jesus.. [15-Feb-25 12:12 AM] .urpalhal#0000 So between the HSE and INS you need like 1.5 million AIC for the full base [15-Feb-25 12:13 AM] .urpalhal#0000 So like I mean no one is stopping you if that is really what you want to do next [15-Feb-25 12:14 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh another useful bit in PrUnplanner is in the overview rectangle (idk what else to call it) section? [15-Feb-25 12:14 AM] .urpalhal#0000 You can see the import and export frequency [15-Feb-25 12:14 AM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1340204627446206504/IMG_0172.png?ex=68150b92&is=6813ba12&hm=21338d4d2dde242d5a87dbfa90886ec765eae80f3c3e1a70ad6a5c27321eda69& [15-Feb-25 12:14 AM] .urpalhal#0000 So with the beginning ships you would need to be there every day [15-Feb-25 12:16 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Just some helpful tips and tools when planning out your bases ๐Ÿซก {Reactions} โค๏ธ [15-Feb-25 12:17 AM] vanarazor#0000 well I'd be producing a lot of H2O which can be used for THF NA CL.., but I think for now I am failing how to see trends in what people need on the market [15-Feb-25 12:18 AM] jcheung#0000 half that [15-Feb-25 12:18 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s cheaper than 20k per unit? Which one am I think of? [15-Feb-25 12:18 AM] jcheung#0000 the 6 month high was 13.5k [15-Feb-25 12:18 AM] jcheung#0000 tsh [15-Feb-25 12:18 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Aha [15-Feb-25 12:18 AM] jcheung#0000 well, tsh is 30 [15-Feb-25 12:18 AM] .urpalhal#0000 lol so the average [15-Feb-25 12:19 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m just crazy [15-Feb-25 12:19 AM] jcheung#0000 ...at least i think tsh is used for stuff [15-Feb-25 12:19 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Idk :RSZeroShrugIDK: Iโ€™m a year in and I still donโ€™t know [15-Feb-25 12:19 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But H2O would be a good one to do [15-Feb-25 12:20 AM] jcheung#0000 shipping intensive, but probably good [15-Feb-25 12:21 AM] vanarazor#0000 so probably best udea to get a bigger ship first ay [15-Feb-25 12:21 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean my 5th base was a triple permit (so 1000 area) base on Halcyon producing ~800 HAL (salt) a day and I only had two upgraded starter ships [15-Feb-25 12:21 AM] .urpalhal#0000 And basically those ships can only fit 1000 HAL [15-Feb-25 12:21 AM] .urpalhal#0000 So like donโ€™t let your dreams be dreams {Reactions} โค๏ธ [15-Feb-25 12:22 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s ok to do crazy things [15-Feb-25 12:24 AM] vanarazor#0000 oh hey ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿฝ HAL producer, do you produce NA CL , or LI ? or simply sell it? probably after having stack some money you start producing refined products and sellings the extra stock [15-Feb-25 12:25 AM] .urpalhal#0000 lol I just mine HAL [15-Feb-25 12:25 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 He is HAL after all {Reactions} givelove ๐ŸŽ‰ [15-Feb-25 12:25 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I think I make the most of it in the Universe too lol [15-Feb-25 12:26 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Do you operate on tall bases or more bases? [15-Feb-25 12:26 AM] .urpalhal#0000 By tall do you mean more than 1 permit per base? [15-Feb-25 12:26 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Yeah [15-Feb-25 12:26 AM] .urpalhal#0000 More bases [15-Feb-25 12:26 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Yeah you get more area that way [15-Feb-25 12:26 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Halcyon is my only multi permit one [15-Feb-25 12:27 AM] jcheung#0000 generally tall only works for newbies and people who are burnt out [15-Feb-25 12:27 AM] jcheung#0000 or going to basic [15-Feb-25 12:27 AM] jcheung#0000 because pro is too expensive {Reactions} givelove ๐Ÿซ  [15-Feb-25 12:27 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s a shtick [15-Feb-25 12:28 AM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/spanky-throwing-money-cash-money-our-gang-little-rascals-gif-7602783295867595867 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/spanky-throwing-money-cash-money-our-gang-little-rascals-gif-7602783295867595867 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/N2JFo2uz42z9wDJPiUrIv3RLhJ94GxKX4TBTkjq3qzw/https/media.tenor.com/aYKDIFZ2LFsAAAAe/spanky-throwing-money.png [15-Feb-25 12:28 AM] jcheung#0000 happily [15-Feb-25 12:29 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bgJDD.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/work-socks-sponebob-covering-face-krusty-krab-gif-16342671 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/gGh307eS1ZhDr-7uA8rf0zdYK40iT1qnUsRjc5WxTtw/https/media.tenor.com/v9XAYSAJu8gAAAAe/work-socks.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [15-Feb-25 02:51 AM] vanarazor#0000 @jcheung you up ? [15-Feb-25 02:51 AM] vanarazor#0000 you still have some of this MTP ? [15-Feb-25 02:55 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/buDl9.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/tyler-hynes-hynies-deadly-double-cross-i-mean-kinda-i-mean-kind-of-gif-19655115 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Tor0SnxuQscWui0KQzGbpfS9MMu9q1lJBdMQCqte7Aw/https/media.tenor.com/iujnLyg_cHsAAAAe/tyler-hynes-hynies.png [15-Feb-25 02:55 AM] jcheung#0000 it's over in HRT at avalon [15-Feb-25 03:03 AM] vanarazor#0000 seems far far away when you it like that [15-Feb-25 03:04 AM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/binoculars-virginia-wade-cheap-seats-nosebleed-section-cant-see-gif-22002621 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/binoculars-virginia-wade-cheap-seats-nosebleed-section-cant-see-gif-22002621 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/tJQE7Uwl77Fq6U4PwmmDAkEUuHTfga_4z_w3CtEplZk/https/media.tenor.com/CALWX5ZMlScAAAAe/binoculars-virginia-wade.png [15-Feb-25 08:48 AM] marat_sh#0000 tall works great for resource planets [15-Feb-25 10:03 AM] tanda#0000 something to keep in mind for anyone struggling with the shipping for an ISA base, Zipatsu almost always has BUY LM Ads up on ISA for slightly lower than market rates [15-Feb-25 10:03 AM] tanda#0000 you can dump into their ads and they'll just use it to anchor the water market {Reactions} โœŒ๏ธ [15-Feb-25 01:41 PM] vanarazor#0000 I've seen that I think on one of the local mqarket nearby [15-Feb-25 02:31 PM] jcheung#0000 i forgot, i have 300 mtp at ant [15-Feb-25 02:31 PM] jcheung#0000 what's up [15-Feb-25 02:31 PM] vanarazor#0000 ow.. [15-Feb-25 02:32 PM] vanarazor#0000 well I'm keen to buy your stock if price is good enough, but for now I ll have to wait a couple of days to see batches of DW amd MEA being produced and sold [15-Feb-25 02:34 PM] jcheung#0000 well [15-Feb-25 02:34 PM] jcheung#0000 the price of MTP just spiked way up like i thought it would >.> [15-Feb-25 02:34 PM] vanarazor#0000 I already bought enough for 2 days of production and last batches of DW are being produced as we speak.. so probably in48-72h I ll be buying your MTP, Im not sure how contract forms work yet but I could see a contract split into 60 MTP at the time [15-Feb-25 02:35 PM] vanarazor#0000 MEA is almost 170 % more profitable than DW at the moment [15-Feb-25 02:35 PM] jcheung#0000 MEA prices appear to be slowly settling in to a higher bracket for now [15-Feb-25 02:35 PM] jcheung#0000 MEA is rough for newbies because of the high feedstock costs [15-Feb-25 02:36 PM] laaxus#0000 you're not accounting for the capital you have to put into input goods [15-Feb-25 02:37 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah.. but luckily enough I've got a grant approved and found a free interest loan as well, 20 FP are ready to produce , few batches of DWdone [15-Feb-25 02:37 PM] laaxus#0000 even if the recipe is more profitable I'm not sure the return on investment is higher [15-Feb-25 02:37 PM] laaxus#0000 that's something you have to calculate yourself [15-Feb-25 02:37 PM] jcheung#0000 the ROI is higher [15-Feb-25 02:37 PM] vanarazor#0000 well on prplnner it says it is .. _worried sigh_ [15-Feb-25 02:38 PM] laaxus#0000 prunplanner roi doesn't take into account the stock [15-Feb-25 02:38 PM] jcheung#0000 the profit margins on MEA are a bit larger, at least until FIM and MTP prices catch up [15-Feb-25 02:38 PM] jcheung#0000 which MTP is going [15-Feb-25 02:38 PM] jcheung#0000 _looks at HRT MTP prices_ [15-Feb-25 02:38 PM] jcheung#0000 fortunately with FPs they have options [15-Feb-25 02:38 PM] vanarazor#0000 but HRT is far crom ANT isn;t ? [15-Feb-25 02:39 PM] jcheung#0000 yes but with that kind of price delta, it's not uncommon to buy and ship in from farther away [15-Feb-25 02:39 PM] jcheung#0000 it's currently 1.8k more to buy at HRT than ANT [15-Feb-25 02:40 PM] jcheung#0000 so once MOR is out of MTP, ANT will probably be next [15-Feb-25 02:40 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1340422404828172340/image.png?ex=681484e5&is=68133365&hm=b773592003233dd7b1b7d7d5143f50a86d757ccfd3ba5ee29218de9ad50aa727& [15-Feb-25 02:40 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm so glad i decided to bite the bullet and sacrifice some production to make MTP myself [15-Feb-25 02:40 PM] laaxus#0000 if you do round trip every 5 days you need to compare : - DW : Profit / Base + 5 days of consummables + 5 days of H2O - MEA : Profit / Base + days of consummables + 5 days of fim + 5 days of MTP And FIM MTP are very expensive MEA might have a higher roi, just do the math Just don't believe it has a higher return on investment just because it has sa higher profit [15-Feb-25 02:40 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1340422520557539481/image.png?ex=68148500&is=68133380&hm=ce3e1f765676869d07dd67edfafa2da6132e209c7330ff1f295b0cbbf4b2707d& [15-Feb-25 02:40 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1340422607647932706/image.png?ex=68148515&is=68133395&hm=bb97951f62232e872484888eb7dac843661e0cf5569a0e4fd13e7f66f64995de& [15-Feb-25 02:41 PM] jcheung#0000 i should really run some of my MTP out to HRT >.> [15-Feb-25 02:41 PM] vanarazor#0000 only 31 bid MTP on IC1 [15-Feb-25 02:41 PM] jcheung#0000 those are asks [15-Feb-25 02:41 PM] jcheung#0000 bids are green [15-Feb-25 02:42 PM] jcheung#0000 (sorry to be pedantic but it's important) [15-Feb-25 02:42 PM] vanarazor#0000 I need the money sooner I send cargo to CX daiily but DW is so much cargo compared to FIM and MTP [15-Feb-25 02:43 PM] vanarazor#0000 well hey dices are tossed anyway for the next 3 days [15-Feb-25 02:43 PM] laaxus#0000 I don't think you understand how expensive FIM and MTP is [15-Feb-25 02:43 PM] jcheung#0000 they do [15-Feb-25 02:44 PM] jcheung#0000 they're only cutting their production with MEA not focusing it [15-Feb-25 02:44 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1340423460534358058/image.png?ex=681485e0&is=68133460&hm=71c0faf85bf80ba5bccb77f6fb4682ca797391ed6e6ed54a061572e71d63492b& [15-Feb-25 02:44 PM] jcheung#0000 ^ so those values aren't accurate [15-Feb-25 02:45 PM] laaxus#0000 yeah, a bit of fim and mea is not bad [15-Feb-25 02:45 PM] laaxus#0000 to lower DW [15-Feb-25 02:45 PM] laaxus#0000 but don't be afraid to be using your ships [15-Feb-25 02:45 PM] laaxus#0000 they're a resource to be used [15-Feb-25 02:45 PM] laaxus#0000 a ship is like ram [15-Feb-25 02:45 PM] laaxus#0000 if you don't use it, it's being wasted [15-Feb-25 02:46 PM] vanarazor#0000 it's just that I notice H20prices going up already and profit on the lower trend [15-Feb-25 02:46 PM] vanarazor#0000 so I've looked up on prplaner and noticed higher returns for MEA, checked the prices and for now there is porofit to be made but not sure how long it is going to last [15-Feb-25 02:46 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm not there to decide what you *should* do I'm just trying to put things into perspective, so that you make a choice you won't regret [15-Feb-25 02:46 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah, dw has been trending down slowly [15-Feb-25 02:47 PM] jcheung#0000 at current MTP prices, profit might be a bit rough [15-Feb-25 02:47 PM] laaxus#0000 Ultimately you should make your own choices, because that's what is fun {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [15-Feb-25 02:47 PM] laaxus#0000 if you want to do mea, go for it [15-Feb-25 02:47 PM] vanarazor#0000 And I'm still waiting for the pop review to production going up [15-Feb-25 02:48 PM] vanarazor#0000 well I think decisions are to be reviewed almost daily [15-Feb-25 02:48 PM] jcheung#0000 on phobos? you should have all your pio already [15-Feb-25 02:48 PM] vanarazor#0000 market seems to be risky [15-Feb-25 02:48 PM] jcheung#0000 open your base screen [15-Feb-25 02:49 PM] laaxus#0000 If you're convinced mea is the way to go, do it I'm proud of having been ahead of the community a few times, because I made my own choices To make your own choices is very important [15-Feb-25 02:49 PM] laaxus#0000 furthermore [15-Feb-25 02:49 PM] laaxus#0000 players in the ADI have different definition of what's fun [15-Feb-25 02:49 PM] laaxus#0000 I personnaly like medium risk high reward [15-Feb-25 02:49 PM] vanarazor#0000 ohh I do [15-Feb-25 02:49 PM] vanarazor#0000 how come [15-Feb-25 02:50 PM] laaxus#0000 some people like low risk low reward [15-Feb-25 02:50 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1340424964796317788/image.png?ex=68148747&is=681335c7&hm=ba61362e1bdd9c4342b4f587a5debae73e0c79351fa4f258156a563834a870a4& [15-Feb-25 02:50 PM] vanarazor#0000 it says 3d15h [15-Feb-25 02:50 PM] laaxus#0000 There was a player that used to only mine rocks for the rest of the adi [15-Feb-25 02:50 PM] laaxus#0000 a population report update sometimes doesn't give full employment [15-Feb-25 02:50 PM] jcheung#0000 there's high unemployment [15-Feb-25 02:50 PM] laaxus#0000 sometimes, you need 2 [15-Feb-25 02:51 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1340425152495882401/image.png?ex=68148774&is=681335f4&hm=ba07dfca785907e0d4d87b97dbe09fa8cc38d6f7062b1ebb9455de9647d0d406& [15-Feb-25 02:51 PM] jcheung#0000 that's not what's going on [15-Feb-25 02:51 PM] jcheung#0000 of the unemployed workers, a portion can be hired instantly [15-Feb-25 02:51 PM] laaxus#0000 what's the issue ? [15-Feb-25 02:51 PM] jcheung#0000 any not instantly hired is pulled out of the unemployed pool on POPR [15-Feb-25 02:52 PM] jcheung#0000 if no unemployed, then it starts taking pop out of people's bases at POPR and leaves open jobs [15-Feb-25 02:55 PM] vanarazor#0000 ohhh [15-Feb-25 03:09 PM] potaterror#0000 MEA going up, you say... hang on while I just slide 500 area of FPs back into production. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [15-Feb-25 03:13 PM] laaxus#0000 FP will always be in high demand [15-Feb-25 03:14 PM] potaterror#0000 Yeah, I've just have half of mine on DW production while it was high to allow my MTP buffer to build up. [15-Feb-25 03:14 PM] jcheung#0000 might be more profitable right now to just sell the MTP if people actually keep buying at this price >.> [15-Feb-25 03:14 PM] jcheung#0000 at least until MEA prices go up more [15-Feb-25 03:14 PM] potaterror#0000 Got 3 permits on AJ-293a that is nothing but FPs and STOs. [15-Feb-25 03:15 PM] potaterror#0000 Eh, I did that with HER a bit ago, but I was already at my buffer quantity anyway. I'll just wait for MEA to go up. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [16-Feb-25 01:31 AM] vanarazor#0000 ohhhhh [16-Feb-25 01:31 AM] vanarazor#0000 I get it [16-Feb-25 01:31 AM] vanarazor#0000 that's where iss the money : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1340586382845939782/image.png?ex=681474dc&is=6813235c&hm=3cc65f64b9646e351cce355de5534347f854f4e4f87586015f230b58aabf7bf3& [16-Feb-25 01:31 AM] vanarazor#0000 in the spread!!! [16-Feb-25 01:33 AM] vanarazor#0000 Im guesssing there is no PrU tool for charts analysis? like a charts that would display indices going or down in different Cx, or is it? [16-Feb-25 01:36 AM] vanarazor#0000 _and someone comes:_ [16-Feb-25 01:36 AM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/im-glad-you-asked-lloyd-ostertag-elon-musk-saturday-night-live-weekend-update-gif-21609359 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/im-glad-you-asked-lloyd-ostertag-elon-musk-saturday-night-live-weekend-update-gif-21609359 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/RpiNIbIeHU5ktvgmQWsRz1mZm7SPg2q6Wf2t8FW84UQ/https/media.tenor.com/cMdo9tGBIwgAAAAe/im-glad-you-asked-lloyd-ostertag.png [16-Feb-25 10:54 AM] realharvey#0000 It's happening ๐Ÿš€ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1340727955701370980/image.png?ex=6814f8b6&is=6813a736&hm=b51fd0b2f4f3b2d6264de38297481fb7ff02efa2c658eca7695ee87d764e18a8& {Reactions} fishahhh (3) [16-Feb-25 10:54 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Built in the wrong part of space ๐Ÿ˜ but congrats ๐ŸŽŠ [16-Feb-25 12:25 PM] realharvey#0000 Strange things happening at Harvey Industries. Ships being repaired? Is that heresey? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1340750841568559115/image.png?ex=68150e06&is=6813bc86&hm=241ad31d0ab4e5fc6a3240a25d17071004c344ac88854d9e844d408c7379e9f0& [16-Feb-25 12:30 PM] laaxus#0000 you're healing [16-Feb-25 12:30 PM] laaxus#0000 it's ok [16-Feb-25 12:30 PM] laaxus#0000 it's part of the process [16-Feb-25 12:33 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Ayyyy!! I finished building mine last week but I messed it up and I couldn't leave the system ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ™ƒ so the 'repair' will be done tomorrow. I'm so excited {Reactions} ๐Ÿš€ [16-Feb-25 12:37 PM] realharvey#0000 how did that happen? :D forgot the fuel? [16-Feb-25 01:14 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 nope, apparently if you max it out with all the bells and whistles and biggest fuel tanks, it's literally too big to leave the system with a FSE ๐Ÿ™ƒ {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [16-Feb-25 01:14 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 temporary solution: downgraded from a LSL to an MSL [16-Feb-25 01:15 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I think later on though I'll put a bigger engine on it so it can have the LSL again [16-Feb-25 01:16 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 but yeah, don't be me and spend 15 mil on a ship that can't even leave the system ๐Ÿ˜… (or just don't buy a 15 mil ship, I really shouldn't be trusted with money in this game anymore ๐Ÿ˜† ) [16-Feb-25 01:18 PM] realharvey#0000 I currently dont really have need for another ship either. But it looked at me all fancy and I just had to get one [16-Feb-25 01:18 PM] realharvey#0000 You just made me double check if My ship works because I also fitted a FSE [16-Feb-25 01:26 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 with LHP and just a normal (reasonable) build FSE is fine. I'm just dumb, lol [16-Feb-25 01:27 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 and I didn't really *need* it either. But I'm mostly playing on basic license now so getting at least one HCB will help sooooo much with my BEN <-> ANT trips [16-Feb-25 01:28 PM] realharvey#0000 oh yeah the new HCB's are a huge Basic buff [16-Feb-25 01:31 PM] jcheung#0000 really?! [16-Feb-25 09:11 PM] jcheung#0000 hmmmmm {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1340883209616887808/image.png?ex=6814e08d&is=68138f0d&hm=95286fbca3458c931720cfa98a28a7432c2b97e4910f8482f7f9dc11eddb6538& [16-Feb-25 09:11 PM] jcheung#0000 something looks wrong here [16-Feb-25 09:15 PM] vanarazor#0000 @tanda congrats {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1340884284671660042/image.png?ex=6814e18d&is=6813900d&hm=f66c481fe800750681496d922005f8a2d3da486c5625b9aafef05fccf2cd471a& [16-Feb-25 09:15 PM] vanarazor#0000 what's wrong? [16-Feb-25 09:16 PM] jcheung#0000 transfer button ghost in the fuel block ๐Ÿ˜› [16-Feb-25 09:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Xit? [16-Feb-25 09:17 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah {Reactions} link_cool [16-Feb-25 09:29 PM] tanda#0000 that it does. What has happened [16-Feb-25 09:30 PM] tanda#0000 In a week, we'll have two new construction planets [16-Feb-25 09:31 PM] vanarazor#0000 what does that mean? contrsutcion planets? what do they build ? [16-Feb-25 09:47 PM] tanda#0000 They're construction COGC planets, so they run the program that boosts speed on construction type buildings (PP1,2,3,4, WEL etc) by 25% [16-Feb-25 09:53 PM] jcheung#0000 xit act appears to be misplacing the xfer button [16-Feb-25 09:54 PM] tanda#0000 oh, lol [16-Feb-25 09:57 PM] jcheung#0000 i duplicated it [16-Feb-25 10:29 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExcTJhZHg5eTA5d3l2NzN0NTIxYWpodDNoMHFydDM0azNuaHFnYWMwNyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/Q79XcHIiw8ljjOgBav/giphy.gif {Embed} https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExcTJhZHg5eTA5d3l2NzN0NTIxYWpodDNoMHFydDM0azNuaHFnYWMwNyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/Q79XcHIiw8ljjOgBav/giphy.gif https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/cP5QafmWjj6arUxDKKOrcgvsNJjUiZIEHtEWF-O5voA/https/media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExcTJhZHg5eTA5d3l2NzN0NTIxYWpodDNoMHFydDM0azNuaHFnYWMwNyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/Q79XcHIiw8ljjOgBav/giphy.gif [17-Feb-25 01:16 AM] evov#0000 This is the HCB that I fly myself and sell. I haven't run into any problems yet. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1340945045402157056/image.png?ex=68151a24&is=6813c8a4&hm=c451f576672f184d1e23970fb2c533e359935e6b0a0b2e37ba3dc2e3340d18f8& [17-Feb-25 01:17 AM] evov#0000 I do find that the FTL slider doesn't really do much though. Perhaps the FTL reactor could be the limiting factor given the volume of the ship. [17-Feb-25 02:40 PM] igfloz#0000 @archielvahr Many thanks sir ! you might have just finished my funding for my next ship !! [17-Feb-25 02:41 PM] archielvahr#0000 Wooo ๐Ÿ˜„ [17-Feb-25 02:41 PM] archielvahr#0000 What'd I do? [17-Feb-25 02:41 PM] igfloz#0000 I dumped a bit of MB on you ๐Ÿ˜„ [17-Feb-25 02:42 PM] archielvahr#0000 ahh okay nice! Yeah I can't seem to keep up on any of the electronics ๐Ÿ˜… [17-Feb-25 02:42 PM] igfloz#0000 the struggle is real ! [17-Feb-25 02:43 PM] igfloz#0000 anyhoo @evov got any spare 2K/2K kits just laying around looking for a customer ? [17-Feb-25 03:01 PM] archielvahr#0000 I've got some in stock still: [17-Feb-25 03:01 PM] archielvahr#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1235430108127432754 [17-Feb-25 03:03 PM] igfloz#0000 oooh...looking to re-coup some of your AIC eh ? [17-Feb-25 03:04 PM] archielvahr#0000 haha ๐Ÿ˜„ I won't say no to it [17-Feb-25 03:04 PM] igfloz#0000 I've had a quick scan - they come fuelled right ? [17-Feb-25 03:05 PM] realharvey#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1341153525127843962/image.png?ex=68148acd&is=6813394d&hm=5fd528c39466679c98ccb7ee7ee4bdefd665e3fe8a455b6a265d0a8eab3ade5c& [17-Feb-25 03:05 PM] jcheung#0000 what happens when your countdown reaches 0, does it blow up? [17-Feb-25 03:05 PM] igfloz#0000 ah - I read that as fuel tanks are included, rofl [17-Feb-25 03:06 PM] igfloz#0000 @archielvahr go for it, please send conts at Hephaestus. Poor Evo missed out {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [17-Feb-25 03:07 PM] archielvahr#0000 Fuel tanks AND fuel, hehe [17-Feb-25 03:09 PM] archielvahr#0000 Honestly that is weird wording, maybe i'll edit that [17-Feb-25 03:10 PM] igfloz#0000 Awesome - thanks Archiel ๐Ÿ™‚ [17-Feb-25 03:12 PM] archielvahr#0000 My pleasure [17-Feb-25 03:13 PM] jcheung#0000 'come with fuel' isn't really weird wording [17-Feb-25 03:13 PM] jab.sh#0000 comes* [17-Feb-25 03:14 PM] jcheung#0000 come* {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1341155817424031805/image.png?ex=68148cf0&is=68133b70&hm=939b67c45b78f3436a2ecc419564efdc3a524d8f3cc7fbe4435bb88161da2a25& [17-Feb-25 03:14 PM] tanda#0000 English is weird {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [17-Feb-25 03:15 PM] jcheung#0000 this isn't that weird to me either, but 'fully fueled' may be more clear? could also be less clear to some too [17-Feb-25 03:18 PM] igfloz#0000 tanks are brimmed and ready to go ๐Ÿ˜› [17-Feb-25 03:25 PM] jab.sh#0000 hey @archielvahr can I get a ship? ๐Ÿ™‚ [17-Feb-25 03:25 PM] archielvahr#0000 Sure thing [17-Feb-25 03:25 PM] jcheung#0000 brimming* [17-Feb-25 03:26 PM] jcheung#0000 well. i guess brimmed works, just feels weird to me in that sentence [17-Feb-25 03:26 PM] razenpok#0000 and ready to go brrrr [17-Feb-25 03:27 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bsPv4.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/bh187-terminator-thats-me-suits-you-thats-totally-you-gif-19225202 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/TzadqEugJnK7sNCKC3zxX2t_nENMR03T0CnqpkX9DZ4/https/media.tenor.com/8orrJoduDsEAAAAe/bh187-terminator.png [17-Feb-25 03:31 PM] jab.sh#0000 thank you! [17-Feb-25 03:32 PM] archielvahr#0000 Thank you! ๐Ÿ˜„ [17-Feb-25 03:33 PM] archielvahr#0000 It's so fast and easy with reusable multi item contracts {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [17-Feb-25 11:59 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/raise-hand-me-awkward-hand-raise-awkward-hand-raise-gif-14267048 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/raise-hand-me-awkward-hand-raise-awkward-hand-raise-gif-14267048 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/clrmnNSmnNDm9RwO6hK8HALFnctxXtIJZYhsL5eJKcA/https/media.tenor.com/uwvtTaVOglYAAAAe/raise-hand-me.png [18-Feb-25 12:00 AM] vanarazor#0000 on phobos the MCG is 23% more electronics? or is it the COCG ? means that my DW production is not located at the right location? what are electronics for ? do they sell well ? that was more than one question [18-Feb-25 12:15 AM] tanda#0000 Cogc is what's in question here, on phobos that is Electronics. Your DW production is fine for now. Electronics are mostly used for things like shipbuilding and other advanced industries. They don't sell insanely well, with a couple exceptions {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [18-Feb-25 12:29 AM] evov#0000 I've pretty much always got stock. But I see Archiel has hooked you up anyway. I think the OOG ships end up being about 200k cheaper, but 100k of that is due to a smaller FTL tank ( I prefer the large ones ). In the scheme of things, very similar ship, very similar price. Shout out if you need more ( LCB/HCB/VCB/WCB all in stock ) [18-Feb-25 12:35 AM] vanarazor#0000 cheers [18-Feb-25 12:38 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I think theyโ€™re both the same size? Bc I used the same blueprint for the ship I got from you and the one I got from OOG [18-Feb-25 12:39 AM] evov#0000 Possibly? I know in the past the standard oog ship used medium FTL fuel tanks, and I prefer large. But that may have changed. [18-Feb-25 12:41 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah I think theyโ€™re large FTL medium STL [18-Feb-25 01:01 AM] jab.sh#0000 it's medium, at least the one I got {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1341303685300486217/Screenshot_20250218-000140.png?ex=681516a6&is=6813c526&hm=5a9820d7eec7815e14b4478043b7f13604a2681024ecb7161a546e29aaa48e8a& [18-Feb-25 01:02 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Interesting ๐Ÿง [18-Feb-25 01:07 AM] realharvey#0000 Mine is also medium [18-Feb-25 01:08 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Eh what do I know about building ships {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [18-Feb-25 02:09 AM] vanarazor#0000 ** it's working**!!! we are on the right tracks boys (_and girls_) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1341320551301513258/image.png?ex=68147d9b&is=68132c1b&hm=cb9b20f9f904a54b4e312a15828045d46114825489b845d35198c1616bb8affc& [18-Feb-25 02:09 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1341320722751946834/image.png?ex=68147dc4&is=68132c44&hm=dbc27a23762c4e63dc98fc47f27964411aeac799c7663202fb1f5cdcee59f504& {Reactions} dread (2) ๐Ÿ‰ [18-Feb-25 02:09 AM] vanarazor#0000 someone just bought 2 K DW from me!!! I salute this stanger!!! now who's donna buy my 62 MEA!! [18-Feb-25 02:09 AM] laaxus#0000 (I recommend using RPRUN daily profit) [18-Feb-25 02:10 AM] laaxus#0000 MEA is very illiquid [18-Feb-25 02:10 AM] laaxus#0000 hope you're ready for that {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [18-Feb-25 02:10 AM] tanda#0000 if it gets weird, pivot to FIM, that's more liquid [18-Feb-25 02:10 AM] vanarazor#0000 I am mainly producing DW and some MEA [18-Feb-25 02:11 AM] vanarazor#0000 well pruplanner says MEA was better profit .. was PruPlanner _innacurate_ ... ? ๐Ÿซ  [18-Feb-25 02:11 AM] laaxus#0000 It's profitable [18-Feb-25 02:11 AM] laaxus#0000 If people buy it [18-Feb-25 02:11 AM] vanarazor#0000 just _stirring the pot_ [18-Feb-25 02:11 AM] tanda#0000 no, Prun planner was accurate, but a common pitfall is seeing profit and assuming that means liquidity {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ‰ [18-Feb-25 02:12 AM] tanda#0000 It's like CU in the metal market. Seems to make a lot of money, but in reality so little of it moves it can bankrupt you if you're not careful [18-Feb-25 02:13 AM] tanda#0000 the good news with MEA is that allocater has some fat buy orders sitting on that market [18-Feb-25 02:13 AM] tanda#0000 if you get too much MEA, you can dump some into his buy and get some solvency back {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [18-Feb-25 02:13 AM] vanarazor#0000 probably at loss for me tho [18-Feb-25 02:13 AM] tanda#0000 it's only 450 below your current price [18-Feb-25 02:13 AM] vanarazor#0000 i ll stack up 100 Mea and see how long it takes [18-Feb-25 02:14 AM] laaxus#0000 Just look at chart [18-Feb-25 02:14 AM] laaxus#0000 And see how many sales there are per week [18-Feb-25 02:15 AM] vanarazor#0000 not many [18-Feb-25 02:15 AM] laaxus#0000 Then it's called illiquid [18-Feb-25 02:15 AM] laaxus#0000 And it's recommended to enter such markets only if the bid order is high enough to allow for profit in the worst case [18-Feb-25 02:16 AM] laaxus#0000 Hence why you should use buy at buy, sell at sell CX settings in PrunPlanner [18-Feb-25 02:53 AM] vanarazor#0000 jvaler advised me to use the pp7 universe . but I switch in between Cx settings, also will try to hoard a little bit and not sell directly at buy or at well which reduces greatly profit [18-Feb-25 02:53 AM] vanarazor#0000 for now DW has been more profitable than MEA but I've got lucky to grab FIM and MTP at reduced cost so even the sell now option would be profit [18-Feb-25 03:04 AM] laaxus#0000 I don't recommend using pp7 universe [18-Feb-25 03:05 AM] laaxus#0000 you'll always be 1 week behind everybody else [18-Feb-25 03:05 AM] laaxus#0000 furthermore, what's the point of using the universe average [18-Feb-25 03:05 AM] laaxus#0000 if you're only selling at antares cx ? [18-Feb-25 03:05 AM] laaxus#0000 might as well just use antares values [18-Feb-25 03:06 AM] laaxus#0000 furthermore, average is not representative of potential profit YOU could make [18-Feb-25 03:06 AM] laaxus#0000 buy at buy, sell at sell, gives you the current floor of profit a recipe make [18-Feb-25 03:07 AM] laaxus#0000 this is the setting I recommend to every player starting [18-Feb-25 03:07 AM] laaxus#0000 even now, 220M of equity later, I still use it [18-Feb-25 03:07 AM] laaxus#0000 PP7 is not *bad* per se [18-Feb-25 03:07 AM] laaxus#0000 but don't be surprised if you do less profit than what it shows [18-Feb-25 03:24 AM] vanarazor#0000 you've made multiple valid points!! PP7 is unvalid to be used in my position Hence why I still switch between Cx settings [18-Feb-25 03:24 AM] vanarazor#0000 But I think I've got _your points_ [18-Feb-25 10:06 AM] marat_sh#0000 Damn, already? ๐Ÿ˜… Speedrun to 1 billion when? [18-Feb-25 10:08 AM] marat_sh#0000 I also use Buy at Ask and Sell at Bid even if I only sell at Ask. It just shows bare minimum you can make, but in reality itโ€™s more than that [18-Feb-25 10:17 AM] jcheung#0000 it also tempers your expectations when the market falls out from under you {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [18-Feb-25 11:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 Why cant you run for parliment without pro๐Ÿ˜ญ [18-Feb-25 11:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 Cant vote either [18-Feb-25 11:25 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Really? [18-Feb-25 11:25 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Wild [18-Feb-25 11:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah [18-Feb-25 11:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 Its locked [18-Feb-25 11:25 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Really said voting isnโ€™t for the poor ๐Ÿ˜ญ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [18-Feb-25 11:25 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Germans man ๐Ÿซจ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [18-Feb-25 11:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1341460934681428078/Screenshot_20250218_231137_Chrome.jpg?ex=68150059&is=6813aed9&hm=9a5612c8e654b8e859ed48dbc37b48ed9621f1779b92a3a2ba2b83195a106c14& [18-Feb-25 11:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 ๐Ÿ˜› [18-Feb-25 11:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 Lmao [18-Feb-25 11:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 Also [18-Feb-25 11:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 zero clue how that picture sent at all [18-Feb-25 11:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 The 4G gods have blessed my phone with profound bandwidth [18-Feb-25 11:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 Wasnt even able to open prun for the last few days [18-Feb-25 11:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 Now today i can open it, and send images?? [18-Feb-25 11:28 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Sometimes PrUn doesnโ€™t work with 5G for me ๐Ÿ˜ญ [18-Feb-25 11:28 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Guess God is mad about your lack of the right to vote too [18-Feb-25 11:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 Hahaha [18-Feb-25 11:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 They gave me just enough data to find out to the truth of free license [18-Feb-25 11:39 AM] realharvey#0000 Hint: If your burn screens are all pretty green and you have Idle ships you might wanna check XIT Repair ๐Ÿ‘€ {Reactions} givelove [18-Feb-25 11:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 @Market Alerts Zolle (Black Coal Farmers) just bought out LBH [18-Feb-25 11:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Wait, no - looked at the wrong buffer, sorry ๐Ÿ™ˆ๐Ÿ™ˆ๐Ÿ™ˆ [18-Feb-25 11:51 AM] laaxus#0000 ... [18-Feb-25 11:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 LBH is fine, but LDE rised drastically [18-Feb-25 11:52 AM] laaxus#0000 I started LDE production [18-Feb-25 11:52 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Sorry for the ping, all [18-Feb-25 11:52 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I have them all on the same screen and looked at the wrong graph. Thought it jumped from 4,000 to 10,000 [18-Feb-25 11:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 (gonna be more careful next time - everybody and there mom will be mad about me now) [18-Feb-25 11:57 AM] realharvey#0000 well LDE is quite low so its half right ping [18-Feb-25 12:04 PM] .shiva.#0000 I listed the rest of mine at ANT, if folks want some for a bit cheaper I can make that happen [18-Feb-25 01:06 PM] jvaler#0000 i said AI1 -.- i'm being slandered https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1254643011980234863/1339814378870145085 [18-Feb-25 01:25 PM] archielvahr#0000 If free players could vote, someone could make a ton of free accounts and cause sheanigans. That's why it's like that I suppose [18-Feb-25 01:30 PM] jcheung#0000 Make it require a certain amount of activity and pop count. [18-Feb-25 01:39 PM] jab.sh#0000 you have to be on the planet to vote. maybe make it so you have to have 2 bases to vote? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [18-Feb-25 03:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 @macame002 welcome to ADI {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ [18-Feb-25 06:01 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1254643011980234863/1339813434794967073 True!! My bad xD [18-Feb-25 06:01 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/oops-yikes-awkward-jenniferlawrence-gif-6392883320227764322 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/oops-yikes-awkward-jenniferlawrence-gif-6392883320227764322 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/OO7qYbXWLxSPzuAoeohOkIrpuIa6QDzcmxRZbcV4Oik/https/media.tenor.com/WLgVgkCyGGIAAAAe/oops-yikes.png [18-Feb-25 07:56 PM] freeloader4#0000 @jab.sh i have a half built norwick FP base if u still need people [18-Feb-25 09:51 PM] jab.sh#0000 absolutely! [18-Feb-25 09:59 PM] jab.sh#0000 I just dmed you a discord invite [19-Feb-25 12:08 PM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/ein-bisschen-kleingeld-gif-19860850 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/ein-bisschen-kleingeld-gif-19860850 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/6TrhxQpgi5YFjLf3B2YBgU4Uoiik2QOVcyYitZx8XZ8/https/media.tenor.com/do3P76FZZ8UAAAAe/ein-bisschen-kleingeld.png [19-Feb-25 12:08 PM] pxlfox.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1341833882315657337/image.png?ex=68150a2f&is=6813b8af&hm=bd9c91e0291bca8c2cbf48067cdb8231f6972c79d0e147e24c5354e601857c5a& [19-Feb-25 12:09 PM] pxlfox.#0000 over 60mil equity, but no cash [19-Feb-25 12:26 PM] realharvey#0000 where did it all go? [19-Feb-25 12:26 PM] pxlfox.#0000 loans and supplies [19-Feb-25 12:27 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Sold some reserve stock, tho, so all fine ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜‚ [19-Feb-25 12:34 PM] realharvey#0000 I assumed you had more equity to be honest [19-Feb-25 12:35 PM] pagy1234#0000 Wth happened to RAT [19-Feb-25 12:35 PM] pagy1234#0000 There was a shortage before, but now there are asks for 165aic [19-Feb-25 12:35 PM] realharvey#0000 it's pinned to the MM because people went over to fim and mea [19-Feb-25 12:36 PM] pagy1234#0000 Ah ok [19-Feb-25 12:36 PM] pagy1234#0000 Well, more money for me :D {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [19-Feb-25 12:39 PM] jab.sh#0000 time to sell ๐Ÿ‘€ [19-Feb-25 12:40 PM] realharvey#0000 I sadly lost my 60/u RAT source [19-Feb-25 12:42 PM] pagy1234#0000 Now you gotta pay almost triple that lol [19-Feb-25 12:42 PM] realharvey#0000 yeah it doesnt really increase my cost overall [19-Feb-25 12:43 PM] pagy1234#0000 Oh damn [19-Feb-25 12:43 PM] pagy1234#0000 Im also now almost entirely independant on water :D {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (2) [19-Feb-25 12:44 PM] pagy1234#0000 My ISA base is working very well to produce all my water consumption except for like 200 per day, which should be getting covered in the coming days [19-Feb-25 12:45 PM] realharvey#0000 Rat is a daily cost of 7k, its about 4k more than before, but 4k on a 100k profit per day base is.. a rounding error {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1341843006000599120/image.png?ex=681512ae&is=6813c12e&hm=261dcb2e5325657b0329a23599b729484f1fb6d75a1fad62a6ae4629d282953e& [19-Feb-25 12:45 PM] pagy1234#0000 Fair enough [19-Feb-25 12:45 PM] pagy1234#0000 Luckily rat has a MM [19-Feb-25 12:45 PM] pagy1234#0000 Otherwise it would go so much higher [19-Feb-25 12:45 PM] realharvey#0000 yeah otherwise it would be marketalert big time :D [19-Feb-25 12:47 PM] sidepipe#0000 Being too lazy to switch to FIM is working out pretty well for me right now {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [19-Feb-25 12:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Is RAT pinned to the MM again? [19-Feb-25 12:48 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yup ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [19-Feb-25 12:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 RIP [19-Feb-25 12:48 PM] realharvey#0000 i personally find it good [19-Feb-25 12:49 PM] realharvey#0000 more profit to newer players [19-Feb-25 12:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh definitely [19-Feb-25 12:49 PM] realharvey#0000 established players dont care about those prices [19-Feb-25 12:49 PM] sidepipe#0000 I mean, Iโ€™m not complaining - I kinda wish there werenโ€™t an upper limit on most goods. Except maybe a really high one to keep the economy from stopping {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [19-Feb-25 12:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It is just hard for newer players who arenโ€™t in RATs [19-Feb-25 12:50 PM] sidepipe#0000 But itโ€™d be sad if Bfabs and RAT eventually get so unprofitable that basically nobody makes them and predominantly buys from MMs instead [19-Feb-25 12:51 PM] sidepipe#0000 Or at least less profitable relative to everything else you can do [19-Feb-25 12:52 PM] manhim#0000 Maybe rising the MM would entice more people to produce it ๐Ÿ˜› [19-Feb-25 12:52 PM] realharvey#0000 I actually like that those things can be left alone without any issue to make it easier to go for more advanced products [19-Feb-25 12:52 PM] realharvey#0000 if they wouldnt exist or the MM would be way more expensive, we would have to scale down higher tier industries when the playercount lowers [19-Feb-25 12:53 PM] sidepipe#0000 I personally think that would be great, but thatโ€™s just because I think volatility is fun ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Feb-25 12:54 PM] realharvey#0000 it could lead to make earlygame be unplayable [19-Feb-25 12:54 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Yeah, the number of common products that seemed pinned to their market maker seems like a design problem in the game somewhere. (Lots of possible theories as to what it is). But, this is different from saying the existence of market makers is inherently bad, since... you could get a marketwide deadlock otherwise. [19-Feb-25 12:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 I think the design problem is just that money in from IDC/EDC is so much larger than money out from any other source {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [19-Feb-25 12:55 PM] manhim#0000 It does have the effect of removing currency from circulation [19-Feb-25 12:55 PM] realharvey#0000 agreed [19-Feb-25 12:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 So at some point currency inflates enough that the money-out faucets from all the lower level MMs turn on [19-Feb-25 12:56 PM] realharvey#0000 the universe needs a government that can influence MM prices :D [19-Feb-25 12:58 PM] sidepipe#0000 I think it would eventually come to an equilibrium if data core production could become unprofitable with rising input prices, but the MMs kinda put a ceiling on the cost to make everything (or at least on certain input costs) [19-Feb-25 12:58 PM] sidepipe#0000 And tbh I havenโ€™t done the math to see if they do ever become unprofitable [19-Feb-25 01:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 Clearly every gov and MP needs to elect a player from each faction to serve as a member of the galactic central bank ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [19-Feb-25 01:02 PM] archielvahr#0000 If all the governors got together and decided to raise taxes on Electronics scientists, we could achieve this today [19-Feb-25 01:02 PM] archielvahr#0000 And by all, I mean.. Phobos + Malahat + Jeetiyu [19-Feb-25 01:03 PM] realharvey#0000 make it so! [19-Feb-25 01:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 Somehow I donโ€™t think weโ€™ll get Jeetiyu on board with this ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Feb-25 01:04 PM] archielvahr#0000 Just need people other than me to bring it up enough so they actually consider it [19-Feb-25 01:04 PM] jab.sh#0000 RAT needs an affordable MM price, otherwise new players who don't make food can't buy them [19-Feb-25 01:05 PM] realharvey#0000 if its super high new players should be making them :D {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (3) [19-Feb-25 01:05 PM] jab.sh#0000 but a new player might not know until it's too late [19-Feb-25 01:05 PM] archielvahr#0000 $166 RATs only looks unaffordable because I remember when they were $45/u. If we have enough inflation, $166 RATs become a steal [19-Feb-25 01:06 PM] realharvey#0000 All I hear is archiel is old {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ˜† (3) ๐Ÿ‘ด [19-Feb-25 01:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, and I think weโ€™re starting to get up there in inflation terms ๐Ÿ˜… [19-Feb-25 01:07 PM] realharvey#0000 when I look at the economy reports from Prun the Money in circulation appears to be very stable. How is that we are still feeling inflation? [19-Feb-25 01:08 PM] sidepipe#0000 My statement is entirely based on vibes ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Feb-25 01:10 PM] sidepipe#0000 But I guess my feeling is that because a lot of those lower level items like bfabs and rats / dw are spending so much time near the MMs, but not equaling the amount of money entering the economy from data cores, we must still be experiencing inflation in some form [19-Feb-25 01:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 But who knows? Iโ€™m not a Prun economist [19-Feb-25 01:11 PM] realharvey#0000 I personally believe that the playerbase is overall getting "older" and moving from T1 to T2 and T3 production and we dont have that big of an influx of newbros [19-Feb-25 01:12 PM] realharvey#0000 I've noticed quite a bit more movement on the CX on higher tier items which have been mostly fully intergrated before [19-Feb-25 01:12 PM] realharvey#0000 but thats also just vibes no facts [19-Feb-25 01:12 PM] jab.sh#0000 I recruited like 4 newbros this week for AFC ๐Ÿ‘€ [19-Feb-25 01:13 PM] jab.sh#0000 that really just tells me Rise didn't do much recruiting lmao [19-Feb-25 01:14 PM] realharvey#0000 rise got burned out [19-Feb-25 01:15 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah [19-Feb-25 01:15 PM] sidepipe#0000 Are any of the higher tier items like r/afabs on the economic reports? [19-Feb-25 01:16 PM] realharvey#0000 hey those would be facts. We do just economic vibes here {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [19-Feb-25 01:16 PM] sidepipe#0000 Ah man youโ€™re right my bad {Reactions} ๐Ÿฆ [19-Feb-25 01:17 PM] sidepipe#0000 To be fair, economic vibes are a lot more fun to talk about ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [19-Feb-25 01:27 PM] archielvahr#0000 http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_jtHHn0qab0.png {Embed} http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_jtHHn0qab0.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/GTmcDs_8tIii2_teAqKOg4_-ZvwZE4UX9xzdyuzb3vQ/http/kortham.net/temp/firefox_jtHHn0qab0.png [19-Feb-25 01:28 PM] archielvahr#0000 It's a fairly steady 7.2% growth each month [19-Feb-25 01:28 PM] archielvahr#0000 I _think_ the player count is actually down a bit, so cash per player is probably up more than that. [19-Feb-25 01:29 PM] archielvahr#0000 Likewise cash per unit production. there are some charts for that too but it's a lot more work [19-Feb-25 01:29 PM] jab.sh#0000 player count is definitely down, some starter planets actually have free plots ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Feb-25 01:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Promitor? [19-Feb-25 01:30 PM] manhim#0000 Yeah, when I joined I would often see 500 and sometimes 600+ players online. Nowadays it's more around 300-400. [19-Feb-25 01:31 PM] realharvey#0000 Do I have a wrong understanding of "money supply" from the economic report? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1341854668996743219/image.png?ex=681474cb&is=6813234b&hm=19e6b939ffd1a64eadacca6aca81380e703251432bf2206059f8123bf54b62bb& [19-Feb-25 01:31 PM] jab.sh#0000 nah, prom is still +313 {Reactions} fishahhh [19-Feb-25 01:32 PM] moke.#0000 Your chart is just for the month [19-Feb-25 01:32 PM] moke.#0000 Archiels is about a year [19-Feb-25 01:32 PM] jab.sh#0000 oh yeah, prom is why I liquidated [19-Feb-25 01:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I Coliq for Deimos [19-Feb-25 01:32 PM] jab.sh#0000 for HCC which I'm kinda meh about ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Feb-25 01:32 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah that's the right one, but if you only look a month at a time, you won't really see the ongoing trend [19-Feb-25 01:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Antares ftw [19-Feb-25 01:32 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah mine is from 2023-03-01 [19-Feb-25 01:32 PM] realharvey#0000 last and max is also super close [19-Feb-25 01:33 PM] realharvey#0000 so actually yeah its going up. I've just not looked closely enough [19-Feb-25 01:33 PM] manhim#0000 Plus it starts at 0, so it's more accurate information, but will show less and less the actual difference and trend as the numbers grow [19-Feb-25 01:33 PM] realharvey#0000 I like that AIC overtook CIS {Reactions} antares_initiative (5) [19-Feb-25 01:34 PM] realharvey#0000 Thanks for bringing this to my attention [19-Feb-25 01:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Now it just needs to become top dog [19-Feb-25 01:35 PM] realharvey#0000 but now we went over to facts. Whera are the economic vibes? [19-Feb-25 01:35 PM] laaxus#0000 it's not a matter of fate, just a matter of time [19-Feb-25 01:35 PM] archielvahr#0000 For newer months, we have the MM balance total, so we can see income via MM without the drips from people quitting. In Nov we probably lost ~500m in quits. (which does take it out of the supply, so that's good to know, but it's interesting to know how/why) [19-Feb-25 01:35 PM] archielvahr#0000 But MM balance doesn't go back too many months [19-Feb-25 01:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I know :DancieBoi: [19-Feb-25 01:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It's fate is top dog [19-Feb-25 01:36 PM] archielvahr#0000 If percentages are easier: [19-Feb-25 01:36 PM] realharvey#0000 how can we accelerate AIC growth. More players? More money printers? [19-Feb-25 01:36 PM] archielvahr#0000 http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_RRiVjGm7dH.png {Embed} http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_RRiVjGm7dH.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/wRHfYHoEj13BUFOJC77RiZGEtu3g717P7Tq874Rj7aY/http/kortham.net/temp/firefox_RRiVjGm7dH.png [19-Feb-25 01:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 we buy ICA dump it into MM to buy stuff then sell it for AIC [19-Feb-25 01:36 PM] manhim#0000 Yes [19-Feb-25 01:36 PM] archielvahr#0000 I've thought about that a lot. I'm not sure if we want to. If we want to devalue a currency, we should devalue NCC. (maybe?). [19-Feb-25 01:37 PM] laaxus#0000 money printers works but it's evil What we need to do is invest in new players [19-Feb-25 01:37 PM] archielvahr#0000 So convert your AIC to NCC then spend the NCC on bfabs and other stuff stuck at the MM. [19-Feb-25 01:37 PM] realharvey#0000 which is what ADI is doing [19-Feb-25 01:37 PM] laaxus#0000 The goal is to funnel as much money as we can into new players [19-Feb-25 01:37 PM] laaxus#0000 the bottleneck is not the money [19-Feb-25 01:37 PM] laaxus#0000 it's them accepting it [19-Feb-25 01:37 PM] laaxus#0000 so we have to be tricky [19-Feb-25 01:37 PM] jab.sh#0000 more players in Antares [19-Feb-25 01:37 PM] laaxus#0000 and diverse it [19-Feb-25 01:38 PM] realharvey#0000 how about doubling the grant money? ๐Ÿ˜‚ [19-Feb-25 01:38 PM] realharvey#0000 or adding a stage 2 grant [19-Feb-25 01:38 PM] realharvey#0000 hey you where successfull for 2 months? HERE IS MORE CASH FOR SHIP [19-Feb-25 01:38 PM] archielvahr#0000 Antares needs another starting planet. New players don't know how great antares is, so they pick a starting planet at random. There are fewer starting planets in ANT. [19-Feb-25 01:38 PM] laaxus#0000 stage 2 grant should be part of a cult project [19-Feb-25 01:38 PM] archielvahr#0000 I think new players also don't know how great the grant is, otherwise they'd ALL be coliqing into ANT space [19-Feb-25 01:38 PM] laaxus#0000 you choose a cult project, you receive a 1M grant for that new base [19-Feb-25 01:39 PM] manhim#0000 Hell yeah. Kickstarted me right away [19-Feb-25 01:39 PM] realharvey#0000 we also have others copying our grant program [19-Feb-25 01:39 PM] jab.sh#0000 or just, here's parts for ship upgrade [19-Feb-25 01:39 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm doing my part with the propaganda [19-Feb-25 01:39 PM] laaxus#0000 but people keep starting at promitor [19-Feb-25 01:39 PM] realharvey#0000 big fan of your work [19-Feb-25 01:39 PM] realharvey#0000 I love how it just circles in ADI with people bording on newer players [19-Feb-25 01:40 PM] jab.sh#0000 I started at Promitor but spend 90% of my time in ANT ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Feb-25 01:40 PM] laaxus#0000 as it should be ๐Ÿ”ฅ [19-Feb-25 01:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 it is the way [19-Feb-25 01:40 PM] realharvey#0000 I started out in HRT and then Aluminium Alliance grabbed me {Reactions} ๐Ÿค˜ [19-Feb-25 01:40 PM] realharvey#0000 but I was still mostly operating in HRT [19-Feb-25 01:40 PM] realharvey#0000 in the past 3 months I moved almost everything down to ANT [19-Feb-25 01:40 PM] jab.sh#0000 we need a Boucher in ANT [19-Feb-25 01:41 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Feels like a roast ๐Ÿฅฒ๐Ÿ˜‚ [19-Feb-25 01:41 PM] laaxus#0000 it's called etherwind {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [19-Feb-25 01:41 PM] manhim#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1341857222841335990/image.png?ex=6814772c&is=681325ac&hm=aa74864fab6f7e48dabae4baa69849feb3ce54d72114dbb1143bfc63a9375805& [19-Feb-25 01:41 PM] manhim#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Feb-25 01:41 PM] jab.sh#0000 is Ice Station Alpha any good? [19-Feb-25 01:41 PM] realharvey#0000 I went from 6 bases in HRT and 2 in ANT Space to 3 in HRT and 24 in ANT space [19-Feb-25 01:42 PM] archielvahr#0000 ISA is great, in my opinion. Yeah it costs a little more, but even with the INS it is more $/d than etherwind {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Feb-25 01:42 PM] jab.sh#0000 huh I didn't realize Boucher and Etherwind were fertile [19-Feb-25 01:42 PM] jab.sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1341857481420181536/screenshot_20250215125457.png?ex=6814776a&is=681325ea&hm=ae08f7509f0d7fa37fcfc6a33fd482511bf6f59a3e5144fcc1e4656a6e28f209& [19-Feb-25 01:42 PM] realharvey#0000 not meant like that. But you are planning a base that costs 10mil which is one sixth of your equity :D You could build 3 bases and pay for the extra permits probably [19-Feb-25 01:44 PM] jab.sh#0000 is 10 warehouses on a planet a hard cap? [19-Feb-25 01:45 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Yep, noticed that - currently reconsidering my choices ๐Ÿ˜… [19-Feb-25 01:45 PM] realharvey#0000 I am glad that I already build that base, that requires your AML base haha :D [19-Feb-25 01:52 PM] laaxus#0000 I was trying to find a cool acronym for my fab price reduction project [19-Feb-25 01:52 PM] laaxus#0000 but they're ... not that good [19-Feb-25 01:52 PM] realharvey#0000 FABoulous [19-Feb-25 01:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Per company? I think so [19-Feb-25 01:52 PM] laaxus#0000 - Reduction In Construction Expenses - Fab Affordability Project - Affordable Construction Technologies [19-Feb-25 01:53 PM] jab.sh#0000 CMOF [19-Feb-25 01:53 PM] jab.sh#0000 FFC [19-Feb-25 01:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Peter [19-Feb-25 01:54 PM] laaxus#0000 guys, acronym without meaning is useles [19-Feb-25 01:54 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm not kevin [19-Feb-25 01:54 PM] igfloz#0000 Stoppit !!! we don't need another vote war !!! [19-Feb-25 01:54 PM] sidepipe#0000 I vote Peter! [19-Feb-25 01:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Kevin has meaning ๐Ÿ‘Ž [19-Feb-25 01:54 PM] igfloz#0000 https://tenor.com/view/problematic-stressed-smh-oh-dear-gif-23576897 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/problematic-stressed-smh-oh-dear-gif-23576897 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/QJFi07vrhIUwZDgVXiF0r7rRRAI9Sej6ShH04lQD-fo/https/media.tenor.com/wYwLJAHbuWEAAAAe/problematic-stressed.png [19-Feb-25 01:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 Keeping Antares Very INsulated ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Feb-25 01:55 PM] realharvey#0000 i am on sidepipes side here [19-Feb-25 01:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Keeping antarEs Very INsulated [19-Feb-25 01:55 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm the project director and I'll accept an acronym if and only if the meaning is cool [19-Feb-25 01:55 PM] jab.sh#0000 Cheap Manufacturing Of Fabs Fabs For Cheap [19-Feb-25 01:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 Autocorrect messed me up on antarEs [19-Feb-25 01:56 PM] jab.sh#0000 I expect a 10% commission if you pick my acronym ๐Ÿ˜› [19-Feb-25 01:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Peter = People dEserve The bEst construction mateRials {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (3) [19-Feb-25 01:56 PM] sidepipe#0000 Prefabs Effectively Turn antarEs pooR {Reactions} givelove [19-Feb-25 01:56 PM] moke.#0000 Acronym first, figure out the details later {Reactions} fishahhh [19-Feb-25 01:57 PM] jab.sh#0000 backronym [19-Feb-25 01:57 PM] realharvey#0000 but we dont want to make antares poor [19-Feb-25 01:57 PM] realharvey#0000 its the others [19-Feb-25 01:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Prefabs Effectively Turned antarEs pooR [19-Feb-25 01:57 PM] laaxus#0000 you're getting your money back with cheaper construction materials {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [19-Feb-25 01:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 @laaxus these are some good names here [19-Feb-25 01:58 PM] jab.sh#0000 I already get bfabs and afabs for cheap ๐Ÿ˜› [19-Feb-25 01:58 PM] jab.sh#0000 you should ask chatgpt [19-Feb-25 01:58 PM] realharvey#0000 but you also get good vibes [19-Feb-25 01:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-dancing-bird-is-the-word-trashmen-surfin-bird-gif-27644963 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-dancing-bird-is-the-word-trashmen-surfin-bird-gif-27644963 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/d3jHynZKSOcrfprHhBy2e24Cb4rDql_CG0U7_sBwYg0/https/media.tenor.com/f5SDR3fuKEcAAAAe/family-guy-dancing.png [19-Feb-25 01:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And with Peter you can have a mascot [19-Feb-25 01:59 PM] laaxus#0000 chatgpt gave me Antares Reduction of Expenses in Supply [19-Feb-25 01:59 PM] jab.sh#0000 wow that's awful [19-Feb-25 01:59 PM] realharvey#0000 but its ARES [19-Feb-25 01:59 PM] realharvey#0000 sounds cool [19-Feb-25 01:59 PM] jab.sh#0000 ARES is fine, the words are meaningless lol [19-Feb-25 02:00 PM] manhim#0000 Federated Assembly of Buildings [19-Feb-25 02:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 See this is why Peter is great it has meaning [19-Feb-25 02:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 Antares Reduction of conStruction Expenses [19-Feb-25 02:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 Wait {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [19-Feb-25 02:00 PM] realharvey#0000 close [19-Feb-25 02:01 PM] laaxus#0000 - AFFORD : Antares Fabs For Affordable Development - PACIFIC : Price Affordable Construction Initiative for Cheap Fabs [19-Feb-25 02:01 PM] razenpok#0000 Prefab Unification Through Internal Negotiation {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ ๐Ÿ’€ DancieBoi [19-Feb-25 02:01 PM] realharvey#0000 lol I thought you tried to put ARES with better words again... until I ... well [19-Feb-25 02:01 PM] jab.sh#0000 the second one's not even an acronym, the first one you can make work [19-Feb-25 02:01 PM] archielvahr#0000 Antares Reducing Structural Expenses [19-Feb-25 02:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 A Reduction of construction expensEs in antareS [19-Feb-25 02:02 PM] laaxus#0000 Affordable New Technologies And Reduction of Expenses in construction Supplies ? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ˜‚ [19-Feb-25 02:02 PM] jab.sh#0000 in construction supplies [19-Feb-25 02:02 PM] jab.sh#0000 I like that one [19-Feb-25 02:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 ARSE? ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Feb-25 02:03 PM] jab.sh#0000 ARSE? ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Feb-25 02:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Booty ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Feb-25 02:03 PM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/omg-corgi-twerk-wiggle-butt-gif-15808605 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/omg-corgi-twerk-wiggle-butt-gif-15808605 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/9eKcXCCGxNkabnpihve3GGiJ1VNkXl0rRm5BsuYmTDU/https/media.tenor.com/6tc0o7KM0HwAAAAe/omg-corgi.png [19-Feb-25 02:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 Antares Reducing Expenses for Structures? [19-Feb-25 02:04 PM] laaxus#0000 CORGI โ€“ Construction Optimization for Reduced Galactic Investment {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (3) ๐Ÿ’ฏ (6) DancieBoi (3) [19-Feb-25 02:05 PM] jab.sh#0000 Foundations Affordably Restructured from Titanium {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† ๐Ÿ˜† [19-Feb-25 02:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Very Low prices of fAbs Devlopes antares [19-Feb-25 02:05 PM] potaterror#0000 Antares Space Infrastructure Supply [19-Feb-25 02:05 PM] archielvahr#0000 Affordable New Unit Structures, Technology And Resource Trade A-NU-START or ANUS TART {Reactions} โค๏ธ [19-Feb-25 02:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 Perfect. Plausible deniability ๐Ÿ˜‚ [19-Feb-25 02:07 PM] laaxus#0000 CORGI โ€“ Construction Optimization for Rapid Growth and Infrastructure {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (4) ๐Ÿ‡ง (2) ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (2) ๐Ÿ‡ธ (2) ๐Ÿ‡ช (2) ๐Ÿ‡ฉ (2) DancieBoi (2) ๐Ÿ‘† (2) ๐Ÿถ (2) ๐ŸŒญ (2) blobdoggo (2) [19-Feb-25 02:08 PM] laaxus#0000 YEP that's project CORGI now [19-Feb-25 02:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 I can't decide which CORGI I like more [19-Feb-25 02:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 I love the word galactic in there [19-Feb-25 02:09 PM] laaxus#0000 The whole point of the project was enhancing growth through lower fabs cost [19-Feb-25 02:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 galactic investment implies growth [19-Feb-25 02:09 PM] laaxus#0000 so I like a lot the second version [19-Feb-25 02:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah they're both really good [19-Feb-25 02:09 PM] laaxus#0000 but at the end of the day, you can have the corgi you like {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [19-Feb-25 02:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 eVery Large and smAll company Deserves Price UninflaTion of contstructIoN materials {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”จ ๐Ÿช† [19-Feb-25 02:09 PM] laaxus#0000 there's no bad corgi [19-Feb-25 02:10 PM] realharvey#0000 sus {Reactions} fishahhh [19-Feb-25 02:10 PM] jab.sh#0000 https://tenor.com/bB3h9.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/come-on-check-gif-21423107 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/GOX1_s5FayaNfB4DN5wRzCk_GkkAea4fTaHwxZukERk/https/media.tenor.com/SrfYj4JD7JoAAAAe/come-on.png [19-Feb-25 02:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Make Antares Buildable Again [19-Feb-25 02:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 I canโ€™t believe we solved this problem without a poll. It feels wrong ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [19-Feb-25 02:11 PM] jab.sh#0000 the poll was the amount of reactions [19-Feb-25 02:11 PM] laaxus#0000 Corgis are inevitable [19-Feb-25 02:11 PM] realharvey#0000 agreed [19-Feb-25 02:12 PM] realharvey#0000 needs corgi written in CAPS [19-Feb-25 02:12 PM] potaterror#0000 How about Construction Optimization for Rapid Galactic Improvement? [19-Feb-25 02:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Reactions} ๐Ÿšซ [19-Feb-25 02:13 PM] laaxus#0000 whoever voted the third option should consult [19-Feb-25 02:13 PM] realharvey#0000 you can see who voted what [19-Feb-25 02:14 PM] laaxus#0000 @potaterror ???? {Reactions} ๐Ÿถ [19-Feb-25 02:14 PM] laaxus#0000 explain yourself [19-Feb-25 02:14 PM] igfloz#0000 rofl @jvaler 's response [19-Feb-25 02:14 PM] realharvey#0000 @potaterror !!!! [19-Feb-25 02:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Jvaler no approve? ๐Ÿ‘€ ๐Ÿ˜ฃ [19-Feb-25 02:14 PM] jvaler#0000 i HATE corgis {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [19-Feb-25 02:14 PM] realharvey#0000 WHAT [19-Feb-25 02:14 PM] jab.sh#0000 what did corgis ever do to you [19-Feb-25 02:14 PM] realharvey#0000 I FEEL PERSONALLY ATTACKED [19-Feb-25 02:14 PM] jvaler#0000 this is very personal [19-Feb-25 02:14 PM] laaxus#0000 ???? [19-Feb-25 02:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 :dread: [19-Feb-25 02:15 PM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/trolls-dreamworks-true-morgan-freeman-singing-killed-my-grandma-gif-7541020381423796161 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/trolls-dreamworks-true-morgan-freeman-singing-killed-my-grandma-gif-7541020381423796161 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/q7WU1mlLRh6F6coYQVl3NHlMKBMo-b1J8oWfvlXuhPc/https/media.tenor.com/aKcWFTa-_8EAAAAe/trolls-dreamworks.png [19-Feb-25 02:15 PM] jvaler#0000 tenor is so much better than giphy omg {Reactions} true (3) [19-Feb-25 02:15 PM] potaterror#0000 What, you've never seen a CoRgI doin' lil' jumps? [19-Feb-25 02:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/puppy-gif-4272577 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/puppy-gif-4272577 Puppy Crawl https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ddcP8R2FNxz4Vliv84iHxOPHB5pip8kHJDRKttBO-pc/https/media.tenor.com/2Itud9BpXwYAAAAe/puppy.png [19-Feb-25 02:17 PM] laaxus#0000 I don't want more growth for the galaxy, only for antares {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† adi [19-Feb-25 02:17 PM] laaxus#0000 we are not a charity [19-Feb-25 02:17 PM] jab.sh#0000 https://tenor.com/bVwYf.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/corgi-puppy-puppies-gif-26065425 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/RnAyWNEqgDhVSb7owVgtnW8pbU_H4_FF58JKkEUYe6w/https/media.tenor.com/lpdLBcPJY5oAAAAe/corgi-puppy-puppies.png [19-Feb-25 02:17 PM] potaterror#0000 CoRgI {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1341866182415745054/cutest-corgi-gifs-excited-3419886966.gif?ex=68147f84&is=68132e04&hm=77c415f66558aefacd4cae03225175b19f48272c41f9857ca4875e23c2acfe30& [19-Feb-25 02:17 PM] jab.sh#0000 https://tenor.com/bVwX8.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/corgi-puppy-puppies-gif-26065418 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/777kvYNmFTVGQfjJ_g5bmbJ8xNVrPyESKjK_h2Uxcp0/https/media.tenor.com/RUwEkyYUAIAAAAAe/corgi-puppy-puppies.png [19-Feb-25 02:17 PM] jvaler#0000 we're a discriminatory charity [19-Feb-25 02:17 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/corgi-dog-dog-cachorro-corgi-welsh-corgi-gif-21974001 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/corgi-dog-dog-cachorro-corgi-welsh-corgi-gif-21974001 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/cPleZNkK-dOwurkVkOxE7fR3btRagw649ujaXNo32Yo/https/media.tenor.com/YagNDBPt7AQAAAAe/corgi-dog-dog.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [19-Feb-25 02:17 PM] potaterror#0000 I mean, the other I option was "Invasion". [19-Feb-25 02:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think we found who voted for CoRgI [19-Feb-25 02:17 PM] laaxus#0000 Now we are talking [19-Feb-25 02:18 PM] jab.sh#0000 that dog is not amused [19-Feb-25 02:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Galactic conquest? [19-Feb-25 02:19 PM] moke.#0000 Funnier if we just surround them so they cant expand [19-Feb-25 02:19 PM] moke.#0000 Rather than full invasion [19-Feb-25 02:19 PM] laaxus#0000 fun fact, my sister convinced her husband to take a corgi with this gif [19-Feb-25 02:20 PM] realharvey#0000 good choice [19-Feb-25 02:20 PM] realharvey#0000 not sure how one could not love corgis [19-Feb-25 02:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The Queen loved Corgis [19-Feb-25 02:21 PM] laaxus#0000 well, they lose hairs A lot of hairs A fuck ton of hairs [19-Feb-25 02:21 PM] jab.sh#0000 lots of dogs do [19-Feb-25 02:21 PM] laaxus#0000 like, everytime I pet the corgi, there's a pile of her hair on the ground afterwards [19-Feb-25 02:21 PM] jab.sh#0000 huskys shed so much [19-Feb-25 02:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Heh huskies do [19-Feb-25 02:22 PM] realharvey#0000 you can make a second husky out of their hair every two days [19-Feb-25 02:22 PM] laaxus#0000 I wished there was a roomba designed to follow her dog {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ ๐Ÿ˜‚ [19-Feb-25 02:23 PM] laaxus#0000 or maybe something like mo [19-Feb-25 02:23 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/mo-wall-e-gif-7268965962901539211 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/mo-wall-e-gif-7268965962901539211 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/AHbd5-Mx_x6hqN20Mge1OJgHyCEUW9RM6v-U3IgzSM4/https/media.tenor.com/ZOCOB9cmyYsAAAAe/mo-wall-e.png [19-Feb-25 02:23 PM] jab.sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1341867796455358555/IMG_20250103_120750_401.jpg?ex=68148105&is=68132f85&hm=57794c799cabaf5ac0e1f4c205035b6b0b3db970823ff90d5540246fb1869443& [19-Feb-25 02:23 PM] realharvey#0000 if there a are programmable roomba's it should be possible [19-Feb-25 02:24 PM] jab.sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1341867923647500379/IMG_20241007_164407_527.jpg?ex=68148123&is=68132fa3&hm=79e0ce36863c73980d28893427846c92b774cc41967e7522bd4367638116bdf7& {Reactions} โค๏ธ [19-Feb-25 02:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Huskies are loud too [19-Feb-25 02:24 PM] jab.sh#0000 not this one [19-Feb-25 02:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Basically a toddler [19-Feb-25 02:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well thatโ€™s good [19-Feb-25 02:24 PM] realharvey#0000 such a cutie [19-Feb-25 02:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh those two pictures are the same doggo [19-Feb-25 02:27 PM] jab.sh#0000 yep [19-Feb-25 02:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Your doggo huh ๐Ÿค” [19-Feb-25 02:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Very nice [19-Feb-25 02:27 PM] jab.sh#0000 my cousin's [19-Feb-25 02:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Even better [19-Feb-25 02:28 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah she's a sweetie [19-Feb-25 02:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1341869608650539069/IMG_2062.png?ex=681482b5&is=68133135&hm=4f8945f6b4e10b5c4928699a970c941f049dad37d37a93c834bd045586ab5d4b& [19-Feb-25 02:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Mother in laws dog [19-Feb-25 02:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 She likes to chill in the water dish thingy {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [19-Feb-25 02:31 PM] realharvey#0000 y'all got cute dogs [19-Feb-25 02:32 PM] jab.sh#0000 one more dog pic (my mom's) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1341869980177793207/Snapchat-219945623.jpg?ex=6814830e&is=6813318e&hm=93b8722eb0ab8d79388c9d2b7b3b1a36f39b7fad4a6b181b7b1776d3626ed2f6& [19-Feb-25 02:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 See I just know people with cute dogs {Reactions} โ˜๏ธ [19-Feb-25 02:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 With how my life is rn having a dog would be animal abuse [19-Feb-25 02:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m never home [19-Feb-25 02:34 PM] realharvey#0000 good choice [19-Feb-25 02:34 PM] jab.sh#0000 same [19-Feb-25 02:34 PM] realharvey#0000 okay you guys know cute dogs [19-Feb-25 02:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And a cow [19-Feb-25 02:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1341870821408374784/IMG_2281.jpg?ex=681483d6&is=68133256&hm=045081eedbd70742de6f7e325a1fe101b1f413f8c3b2fe7e96ab49f509a1d6e2& [19-Feb-25 02:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Charlie Brown a highland cow [19-Feb-25 02:36 PM] jab.sh#0000 that dog has horns [19-Feb-25 02:36 PM] realharvey#0000 its a *horny* dog {Reactions} ๐Ÿคง [19-Feb-25 02:36 PM] sidepipe#0000 Woah Thatโ€™s a big dog [19-Feb-25 02:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ooh and pepper the mini horse {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1341871663305719919/IMG_1020.jpg?ex=6814849f&is=6813331f&hm=0dedf4be2eefd050a76824bd1f831d45b060e557b396a9f39f40e0e13f382357& {Reactions} โค๏ธ [19-Feb-25 02:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 This is one of my dogs {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1341872545003208755/image0.jpg?ex=68148571&is=681333f1&hm=9ce18ca548e54e1155d3164143a5e5ab6094fe4f9edcaf956f04257fe45cee13& [19-Feb-25 02:43 PM] realharvey#0000 Sus [19-Feb-25 02:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿง [19-Feb-25 02:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m not a vet but that dog looks rather feline [19-Feb-25 02:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ผ [19-Feb-25 02:45 PM] moke.#0000 Its a fancy breed of dog, very rare [19-Feb-25 02:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ah rich people things eh [19-Feb-25 02:46 PM] jab.sh#0000 very fancy [19-Feb-25 02:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-with-tie-gif-11241827778194923856 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-with-tie-gif-11241827778194923856 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/z7VcYz8bVjyP3ZW9qkTuaK59G0vi29tQ6H7ioMGeN20/https/media.tenor.com/nAL-zXFtYVAAAAAe/cat-cat-with-tie.png [19-Feb-25 02:47 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yep thatโ€™s another dog ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Feb-25 02:47 PM] sidepipe#0000 4 legs, tail, big ears. [19-Feb-25 02:47 PM] igfloz#0000 This was my last dog {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1341873947423014952/IMAG0073.jpg?ex=681486bf&is=6813353f&hm=83439358d1fa3cd041de7861e0d7297cca0240ccd1d1b7f80d0629279aaec353& [19-Feb-25 02:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 That is something [19-Feb-25 02:48 PM] sidepipe#0000 That is a very long and cute dog ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Feb-25 02:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Canine tubius [19-Feb-25 02:50 PM] jab.sh#0000 Canine Fancius [19-Feb-25 02:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok well this is very off topic ๐Ÿ™ƒ but I love it [19-Feb-25 02:53 PM] sidepipe#0000 If anyone asks we were trying to select a mascot for CORGI ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Feb-25 02:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes the tube dog [19-Feb-25 02:53 PM] jab.sh#0000 we were just sharing pictures of our associates [19-Feb-25 02:54 PM] igfloz#0000 Yep, she was a great cuddler - wouldn't let me go ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Feb-25 02:54 PM] realharvey#0000 Here are Staff members involved so only jvaler could stop us [19-Feb-25 02:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‡ [19-Feb-25 02:56 PM] sidepipe#0000 I love how in the context of ~~snakes~~ tube dogs that is both cute and mildly threatening ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Feb-25 02:57 PM] laaxus#0000 this is the last dog I met in a video game {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1341876337518051409/i-realized-today-turtle-pope-is-unique-in-another-way-v0-ppclsikjlptc1.png?ex=681488f9&is=68133779&hm=9bc137b842cc8f860de406aad4ec9fa14b7192ea90d4ef52df401183f9bd85fb& [19-Feb-25 02:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes the hidden dog [19-Feb-25 02:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Sometimes called the rock dog [19-Feb-25 02:58 PM] igfloz#0000 Rock dog FTW ! [19-Feb-25 02:58 PM] jab.sh#0000 https://tenor.com/ucoVFjX0u9G.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/lobster-family-guy-playing-guitar-gif-16816285537613024710 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/54EcDO5_XTDk5y_lsPBDn9mZEMD3foXwxnE6YQ36yi4/https/media.tenor.com/6V9ymZb2jcYAAAAe/lobster-family-guy.png [19-Feb-25 02:58 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Or sheltered dog {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [19-Feb-25 03:03 PM] laaxus#0000 anybody that is better at spreadsheet than I am could help me make this sheet pretty ? Thank you ! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Va_vxukexQ4R3txjIWKJjv4NYSM8isHDzty952uRidk/edit?usp=sharing {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Va_vxukexQ4R3txjIWKJjv4NYSM8isHDzty952uRidk/edit?usp=sharing Project CORGI https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/5L8TlKRFx3qDX46yO9NaSqL-ObQnIFuVu9YFmyHcAMI/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyL5CwFxiEL8dYD9-mNMI10ki5JUFNjEtZ-gDEzhZNO8quyqDjiQEZG5RvDNWREFjkpvPjm2HTwziXhJnZC7IXXxWb9oGHlDxdC7l_fne6QcQp6HfZ5I%3Dw1200-h630-p [19-Feb-25 03:03 PM] laaxus#0000 Feel free to edit [19-Feb-25 03:04 PM] laaxus#0000 Don't let FIO lie to you, current RBH price is 17k [19-Feb-25 03:04 PM] jab.sh#0000 is your goal to make ANT the cheapest? [19-Feb-25 03:04 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Are we talking about color and format? [19-Feb-25 03:05 PM] jab.sh#0000 or just cheaper everywhere [19-Feb-25 03:05 PM] laaxus#0000 I couldn't care less about other factions [19-Feb-25 03:05 PM] laaxus#0000 color format, but all the design [19-Feb-25 03:05 PM] jab.sh#0000 so you want ANT to be the cheapest? [19-Feb-25 03:05 PM] laaxus#0000 if you want to change it drastically [19-Feb-25 03:05 PM] laaxus#0000 to present the data better [19-Feb-25 03:05 PM] laaxus#0000 feel free [19-Feb-25 03:06 PM] laaxus#0000 I have made a copy of the original [19-Feb-25 03:06 PM] laaxus#0000 I don't want it to be the cheapest [19-Feb-25 03:06 PM] pxlfox.#0000 The goal is to make ANT **cheaper** {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Feb-25 03:06 PM] pxlfox.#0000 So people can build base faster [19-Feb-25 03:06 PM] jab.sh#0000 I guess I'm asking why bother comparing it to the other systems [19-Feb-25 03:06 PM] laaxus#0000 I want to reduce the current profit margin on PP2 and PP3 [19-Feb-25 03:07 PM] laaxus#0000 because we are better than them [19-Feb-25 03:07 PM] laaxus#0000 but we need data to prove it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [19-Feb-25 03:07 PM] laaxus#0000 because we are professionals [19-Feb-25 03:07 PM] jab.sh#0000 are we better if they're cheaper? [19-Feb-25 03:07 PM] jab.sh#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Feb-25 03:07 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Since all materials have the same quality, yes, cheaper is better [19-Feb-25 03:08 PM] laaxus#0000 This is a minor setback in a major operation [19-Feb-25 03:08 PM] pxlfox.#0000 There was a game where you need to skill a lifetime to make good quality products. Basically killed all new players, because nobody wanted to buy there โ€œcrappyโ€™ stuff [19-Feb-25 03:10 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™m would love to, but Iโ€™m in bed. If nobody got to it, I might try my best tomorrow [19-Feb-25 03:10 PM] laaxus#0000 same thing, going to bed right now [19-Feb-25 03:11 PM] laaxus#0000 I just know we have some excel professionals in this channel [19-Feb-25 03:11 PM] laaxus#0000 so I asked for help [19-Feb-25 03:11 PM] laaxus#0000 ATM, I'm focusing on RFABS, and I believe I'm doing a good job [19-Feb-25 03:11 PM] laaxus#0000 only RDE remains [19-Feb-25 03:12 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™m no professional, but I like to make them pretty ๐Ÿ˜‚ [19-Feb-25 03:12 PM] moke.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Cv-J0j8RaA4BCkyEa7gAyXrMSt0s8DeB4Gh7EQ_FVPk/https/media.tenor.com/KjJTBQ9lftsAAAAe/why-huh.png [19-Feb-25 03:13 PM] laaxus#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1246543290854146058/1337772626692804628 [19-Feb-25 03:13 PM] laaxus#0000 tl;dr the cheaper fabs are, the more profitable every base are and the faster the growth [19-Feb-25 03:14 PM] jab.sh#0000 I'm just asking to understand the purpose of the sheet, to find the best way to present the data [19-Feb-25 03:14 PM] pxlfox.#0000 * better ROI [19-Feb-25 03:14 PM] moke.#0000 "Lowering profit margins" as a reason is very different from "I want cheaper materials". {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [19-Feb-25 03:14 PM] moke.#0000 Both might cause the same thing, but the reasoning is very much not [19-Feb-25 03:15 PM] laaxus#0000 This sheet has 2 purposes - I want to lower the ask price of the ticker to the goals I set - I want to compare the price of fabs with the other cx {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Feb-25 03:15 PM] archielvahr#0000 I'd probably make each Material be a row, each column be a region, then have a second identical table that showed the percentages [19-Feb-25 03:16 PM] jab.sh#0000 your FIO broke ๐Ÿ˜‚ [19-Feb-25 03:16 PM] laaxus#0000 when fio break, jsut press F5 [19-Feb-25 03:17 PM] jab.sh#0000 wait really [19-Feb-25 03:17 PM] laaxus#0000 might be the better wait [19-Feb-25 03:17 PM] jab.sh#0000 surely that doesn't always work [19-Feb-25 03:17 PM] laaxus#0000 on google sheet, it does [19-Feb-25 03:17 PM] jab.sh#0000 I converted it to an apps script on my sheets, so it keeps the last data if it fails [19-Feb-25 03:18 PM] pxlfox.#0000 FIO CSV endpoints never failed on me ๐Ÿ˜… [19-Feb-25 03:24 PM] jab.sh#0000 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Va_vxukexQ4R3txjIWKJjv4NYSM8isHDzty952uRidk/edit?gid=856634211#gid=856634211&range=B8:E8 {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Va_vxukexQ4R3txjIWKJjv4NYSM8isHDzty952uRidk/edit?gid=856634211 Project CORGI https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/5L8TlKRFx3qDX46yO9NaSqL-ObQnIFuVu9YFmyHcAMI/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyL5CwFxiEL8dYD9-mNMI10ki5JUFNjEtZ-gDEzhZNO8quyqDjiQEZG5RvDNWREFjkpvPjm2HTwziXhJnZC7IXXxWb9oGHlDxdC7l_fne6QcQp6HfZ5I%3Dw1200-h630-p [19-Feb-25 03:33 PM] jab.sh#0000 I feel like this demonstrates the goals and progress more clearly [19-Feb-25 06:39 PM] tanda#0000 Does anyone still have MCG manufacturing capacity? [19-Feb-25 07:01 PM] jcheung#0000 Trickle [19-Feb-25 07:21 PM] .shiva.#0000 even at the current MM, once you look at the shipping, it doesn't really feel worth it imo [19-Feb-25 07:24 PM] tanda#0000 agreed, I actually went to figure out how much I really spend on it per day, and it's not even a percentage of my current fuel bill [19-Feb-25 07:37 PM] jvaler#0000 MCG on SE-866e could cut shipping significantly. i don't remember prunplanner profits tho [19-Feb-25 07:54 PM] .shiva.#0000 eh, even then you need a dedicated WCB [19-Feb-25 07:54 PM] .shiva.#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/c8aadbe8-aa8c-4f29-9424-3b6a25a748c4 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/c8aadbe8-aa8c-4f29-9424-3b6a25a748c4 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [19-Feb-25 07:55 PM] .shiva.#0000 fills 2 STO in 5 days, WCB can handle the import/export every 2 days [19-Feb-25 07:56 PM] jvaler#0000 applies to most bases tbf [19-Feb-25 07:56 PM] .shiva.#0000 oh does have an extra HB1 that can be another STO [19-Feb-25 07:56 PM] .shiva.#0000 doesn't change that much though [20-Feb-25 01:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 AL is getting to a point, where I wouldn't recommend it to a new player... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1342033453180518472/image.png?ex=6814728d&is=6813210d&hm=5c5a74fd5171a6899a5a0f3c952d31dc02337d2833c47bb3c964a6db8d2e8b0d& [20-Feb-25 01:25 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah, the price are quite stuck, and it's not a demand side issue [20-Feb-25 01:25 AM] laaxus#0000 supplier must put higher ask [20-Feb-25 01:26 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I think AL was at much lower price when I started [20-Feb-25 01:26 AM] .urpalhal#0000 400/u or there about [20-Feb-25 01:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 to make a full 5 expert Deimos base make 50k profit, AL needs to be sold for roughly 880 [20-Feb-25 01:28 AM] laaxus#0000 what would be the profit at 900 ? [20-Feb-25 01:28 AM] laaxus#0000 this is roughly other cx prices [20-Feb-25 01:28 AM] pxlfox.#0000 roughly 52k [20-Feb-25 01:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm rounding a lot - let me put it into PP [20-Feb-25 01:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1342035438470430730/image.png?ex=68147466&is=681322e6&hm=98f45cf8560b6573bafb20f57e9c5d457a6620e8d22d777545a5576587834540& [20-Feb-25 01:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 ok, my rounding isn't too bad [20-Feb-25 01:30 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Higher AL prices would make fabs and ship parts more expensive, too [20-Feb-25 01:31 AM] laaxus#0000 everybody deserve a fair price [20-Feb-25 01:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 FLX has risen over 30% in price in the last few weeks [20-Feb-25 01:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 O is more expensive since this year [20-Feb-25 01:32 AM] pxlfox.#0000 and your profit is obliviously a bit higher, when you produce your own ALO [20-Feb-25 01:33 AM] pxlfox.#0000 also, basic consumables (DW, RAT, COF) have also risen in price [20-Feb-25 01:33 AM] pxlfox.#0000 which affect lower tier productions often more, then higher ones [20-Feb-25 01:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 if somebody has 5.5 mil they don't need - you could buy up AL up to jvalers order and "correct" the price up to 890 AIC -# not financial advice [20-Feb-25 01:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 tho I feel like people will start to ask lower [20-Feb-25 01:37 AM] pxlfox.#0000 SERVER UPDATE INCOMING [20-Feb-25 01:40 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I have a sheet to calculate the "ideal" metal prices [20-Feb-25 01:41 AM] pxlfox.#0000 it bascially tries to provide 50k profit for a EXT base - that's the ore price, and then achieve 50k profit for the corresponding SME base [20-Feb-25 01:41 AM] pxlfox.#0000 the "ideal" ALO price would be around 107 - which is half of what the market currently offers. Lowering the "ideal" AL price down to 760 [20-Feb-25 01:43 AM] pxlfox.#0000 so, it's currently mandatory to produce your own ALO for AL, but the market prices is more or less fine, I guess [20-Feb-25 01:44 AM] laaxus#0000 high rat and dw price is the root of all evil [20-Feb-25 02:14 AM] zillatron#0000 it's more or less back to what it was before whoever it was inflated the price a little while ago, 180-200/u was pretty normal [20-Feb-25 02:18 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I did something [20-Feb-25 02:19 AM] zillatron#0000 I agree that it's actually pretty good atm, 500 ish days ago when i started (Deimos) 600/u was tight but still profitable for a noob with 1 base [20-Feb-25 02:20 AM] laaxus#0000 I like it, thank you {Reactions} โค๏ธ [20-Feb-25 02:21 AM] laaxus#0000 also thanks to the people that did the other change [20-Feb-25 02:22 AM] pxlfox.#0000 one thing - you can change the language settings of the document to USA, which changes the number format to 1,000.00 if you want to [20-Feb-25 02:22 AM] pxlfox.#0000 just something I would do, if that's a sheet I want others to look at, too [20-Feb-25 02:23 AM] pxlfox.#0000 otherwise, if it's just for you, keep the number format you're most comfortable with [20-Feb-25 03:48 AM] jvaler#0000 nono buy it through my order :^] [20-Feb-25 03:51 AM] jvaler#0000 oh wait you already meant that cause of 5.5mil [20-Feb-25 04:52 AM] manhim#0000 The profitable parts of the AL I produce are the ALO, O and FLX I produce to make it. Been like that for a while now. Especially O and ALO. [20-Feb-25 06:55 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 is there a WAR upgrade costs calculator somewhere I could use? [20-Feb-25 06:57 AM] tanda#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1268787191727788193/1326077933873266730 [20-Feb-25 06:57 AM] tanda#0000 cost factor and cumulative cost are multipliers based on the base (level 1) cost [20-Feb-25 07:08 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 thank you [20-Feb-25 07:36 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 hmm so how much do you guys think should WAL go for? [20-Feb-25 07:44 AM] tanda#0000 Right now? Whatever you can get for it. After this craze calms down, probably about CoGM +40-50% [20-Feb-25 02:03 PM] manhim#0000 BTW I switch company name from Cyan Ventures to Fortium [20-Feb-25 02:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Embed} poll_question_text Poll victor_answer_votes 6 total_votes 11 victor_answer_id 2 victor_answer_text CORGI [21-Feb-25 06:59 PM] tanda#0000 ahhhhh {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1342661905914789980/image.png?ex=6814c197&is=68137017&hm=3c147f61b37ae106145c9dd16aeda8211a517c5f1eee9adef055cff3684db13a& [21-Feb-25 07:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 Who knew being a CEO was so much work? ๐Ÿ˜„ [21-Feb-25 07:10 PM] jab.sh#0000 rookie numbers [21-Feb-25 07:40 PM] jcheung#0000 i had 25 this mornign [21-Feb-25 07:41 PM] igfloz#0000 WTF !? I had 73 when I came home from work - what am I doing wrong ? [21-Feb-25 08:04 PM] tanda#0000 dude, you might be in too many projects [21-Feb-25 08:04 PM] tanda#0000 I only sublet one base [21-Feb-25 08:06 PM] tanda#0000 so far [21-Feb-25 08:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok imma check and reset my notifications [21-Feb-25 09:14 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/u0t85d5PxX8.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/hot-summer-scary-scared-creepy-gif-17494278817868935582 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/J3ELZCjmneHUoDi0X-wJckuaEsY1kzuPh5IpcUrScuw/https/media.tenor.com/8sgp5Wy38Z4AAAAe/hot-summer.png [21-Feb-25 10:26 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/ben-affleck-thinking-thoughts-serious-hello-darkness-my-old-friend-gif-17677812 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/ben-affleck-thinking-thoughts-serious-hello-darkness-my-old-friend-gif-17677812 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/NYAtTQt4R3fl5lWLInNwNu0_DuiICP4lgRNE3E_XKG0/https/media.tenor.com/u4GjkWBRpFwAAAAe/ben-affleck-thinking.png [21-Feb-25 10:28 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1342714501556076596/image.png?ex=6814f293&is=6813a113&hm=fe4c85b1d8a6ddeb9dde4ec5ebd6ceaa0d0066ff349716c14712be36adff57a4& [22-Feb-25 04:16 AM] laaxus#0000 ~~I am looking for a player willing to lend one of its permit : - Salary is 50k/d - I'm paying for the base and the consumables - Have no shipping to do whatsoever, only work is to send me the cont to give me your production - After 45 days, the base is yours (or you renew the deal) More info : https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1293695249679650931/1342800637880045568~~ Edit : taken {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [22-Feb-25 04:31 AM] laaxus#0000 Why am I doing that ? I believe that HAL price could get as low as 250 at halcyon / 280 at ANT CX [22-Feb-25 04:31 AM] laaxus#0000 and ultimately, through CL base, EPO price could get lower from 170 to 150 [22-Feb-25 04:32 AM] laaxus#0000 which would allow RFabs price to get even lower [22-Feb-25 04:32 AM] laaxus#0000 but I have to start from HAL [22-Feb-25 10:23 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I had it pinned at 250 at ant for a while [22-Feb-25 10:24 AM] laaxus#0000 My goal is to pin at 280 at ant at first [22-Feb-25 10:25 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But uh some one bought too much [22-Feb-25 10:25 AM] laaxus#0000 then selling at 250 at Halcyon local Market [22-Feb-25 10:25 AM] laaxus#0000 Anyway, Hal extraction shouldn't be that profitable [22-Feb-25 10:26 AM] laaxus#0000 I wonder if one base would be enough to pin it at 280 [22-Feb-25 10:26 AM] laaxus#0000 I might need two [22-Feb-25 10:27 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean it is hard to move around [22-Feb-25 10:28 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But yeah I agree [22-Feb-25 10:30 AM] laaxus#0000 My plan is to abuse darkfuel [22-Feb-25 10:30 AM] laaxus#0000 if it doesn't work [22-Feb-25 10:30 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Ahh [22-Feb-25 10:30 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Gotcha [22-Feb-25 10:30 AM] laaxus#0000 well guess I'll take another loan for a WCB [22-Feb-25 10:31 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Well I can try to lower the price of HAL again [22-Feb-25 10:31 AM] laaxus#0000 as long as you're producing, it's good enough [22-Feb-25 10:31 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I donโ€™t use any of my HAL [22-Feb-25 10:31 AM] laaxus#0000 you don't ... sell it ? [22-Feb-25 10:31 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I do sell it [22-Feb-25 10:32 AM] laaxus#0000 then you're filling demand [22-Feb-25 10:32 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I could fill more demand [22-Feb-25 10:32 AM] laaxus#0000 that demand won't disappear just because you sell your production to the cx [22-Feb-25 10:32 AM] laaxus#0000 as long as you sell your production and you're producing full time, then I believe it's good enough, but you do you [22-Feb-25 10:33 AM] tanda#0000 dang that was quick, and here's me looking for a similar person for a week now [22-Feb-25 10:33 AM] laaxus#0000 it might be because I advertised it here [22-Feb-25 10:33 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ve got a bit chilling there [22-Feb-25 10:33 AM] laaxus#0000 I recommend advertising it here [22-Feb-25 10:33 AM] laaxus#0000 the same guy might accept your deal, who knows ? ๐Ÿ˜„ [22-Feb-25 10:34 AM] tanda#0000 well, it's certainly worth a repost [22-Feb-25 10:36 AM] tanda#0000 Looking for a newer player willing to run a permit on SE-110a for me for 50k per day. I will handle all shipping and supply of the base, you just trade me back the CLI and DW you produce. - I pay for everything. Base setup, workforce consumables, input goods, even your HQ upgrade if you need it. - You'll receive a month's worth of consumables at a time, and a weekly supply of water. - Pickups for CLI and DW will be weekly to reduce contract spam for the both of us. - Repair mats will be supplied every 60 days. - Yes, I do need the experts set up like on the plan as you generate experts from base operation @ me if you want to discuss further. PRUNplanner below: https://prunplanner.org/shared/28c0fc68-4626-4bd1-bc2d-af7392423656 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/28c0fc68-4626-4bd1-bc2d-af7392423656 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [22-Feb-25 10:39 AM] pagy1234#0000 Tbh no one whos building a new permit there is gonna have those 6 experts on that planet [22-Feb-25 10:39 AM] tanda#0000 ofc not [22-Feb-25 10:39 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Youโ€™ll gain them as it is there [22-Feb-25 10:39 AM] tanda#0000 ah, that might be confusing newer players [22-Feb-25 10:40 AM] pagy1234#0000 Ah ok, there we go [22-Feb-25 10:41 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean most bases are likely to just have 5 experts in one category [22-Feb-25 10:42 AM] tanda#0000 yeah, the base is a weird one. But it's the base I need [22-Feb-25 10:45 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Not that weird imo [22-Feb-25 11:18 AM] realharvey#0000 i do find it weird [22-Feb-25 11:20 AM] tanda#0000 I also find it weird [22-Feb-25 11:58 AM] jab.sh#0000 I'm looking for one person to set up a Harmonia base, you get paid in RAT/DW/FIM/MEA every other week, more details in #bulletin-board [22-Feb-25 12:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1342921885150609569/Screenshot_2025-02-22_101148.png?ex=68150af7&is=6813b977&hm=377af2429ead4927ce343a11ccd00e12695ce827e33a2962afc076ab2bb32deb& [22-Feb-25 12:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 16 hours and 58 nots [22-Feb-25 12:13 PM] jab.sh#0000 I had 7 when I woke up [22-Feb-25 12:13 PM] tanda#0000 wow [22-Feb-25 12:13 PM] jab.sh#0000 and I mute most notification optons ๐Ÿ˜„ [22-Feb-25 12:13 PM] jab.sh#0000 all I get is contracts and ships arriving [22-Feb-25 12:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I guess I could mute prod nots [22-Feb-25 12:14 PM] tanda#0000 ...those are still on? [22-Feb-25 12:15 PM] jab.sh#0000 lmao [22-Feb-25 12:15 PM] jab.sh#0000 I muted those ages ago ๐Ÿ˜„ [22-Feb-25 12:15 PM] jab.sh#0000 and POPR, and voting, and COGC... [22-Feb-25 12:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 can you mute POPR and COGC by planet? [22-Feb-25 12:16 PM] tanda#0000 no, sadly [22-Feb-25 12:16 PM] tanda#0000 because I'm stuck with them all on due to the planets I manage [22-Feb-25 12:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 welp [22-Feb-25 12:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah ditto [22-Feb-25 12:17 PM] jab.sh#0000 just don't manage any planets [22-Feb-25 12:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 wel [22-Feb-25 12:17 PM] jab.sh#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [22-Feb-25 12:17 PM] jab.sh#0000 I know [22-Feb-25 12:17 PM] tanda#0000 then nothing would get done, lol [22-Feb-25 12:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I'm halcyon gov ๐Ÿ˜„ [22-Feb-25 12:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and now on phobos as MP [22-Feb-25 12:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and a planet with like me and no one else [22-Feb-25 07:47 PM] potaterror#0000 This is why I am not crying too hard about my impending termination from the Water Board. [22-Feb-25 07:49 PM] potaterror#0000 Anybody got a real schmick Google sheets empire management doc that handles inventory & price import from FIO that they don't mind letting me copy and crib off of? I lack the skills to roll one from scratch, and the time to sink into developing them properly. [22-Feb-25 08:14 PM] jcheung#0000 what precisely do you mean [22-Feb-25 09:29 PM] potaterror#0000 Basically just one that pulls inventory from FIO and breaks it out in a useful way for incorporating into a management sheet. The API output as a CSV is beyond me to integrate in a meaningful way, such as putting the values into the appropriate columns of an otherwise static row-wise layout of all commodities. I figured some folks are likely doing roughly the same, or at least close enough to clue me in on a good way to go about it. [22-Feb-25 09:41 PM] jab.sh#0000 pulling inventory and displaying it is pretty easy, I can help you out with that if you want [22-Feb-25 10:17 PM] jcheung#0000 if you have an example of a management sheet [22-Feb-25 10:17 PM] jcheung#0000 could be pretty easy [22-Feb-25 10:17 PM] jcheung#0000 xlookup() does a lot of heavy lifting and is pretty simple [22-Feb-25 10:17 PM] jcheung#0000 filter() also is very useful too [22-Feb-25 11:38 PM] potaterror#0000 Only thing I've got is entirely offline, bit hard to facilitate. [22-Feb-25 11:40 PM] jcheung#0000 uploading to google drive is pretty easy [22-Feb-25 11:40 PM] potaterror#0000 Sure, I'd appreciate it. Mostly just need a working example and I can probably reverse it from there. [22-Feb-25 11:40 PM] potaterror#0000 Eh, true. [22-Feb-25 11:41 PM] potaterror#0000 Doesn't support the integration I'm looking for, but if you're just curious what I'm after in terms of format and such I guess it'd do. [22-Feb-25 11:41 PM] jcheung#0000 what integration are you looking for though [22-Feb-25 11:42 PM] jcheung#0000 you're not going to be able to easily make API calls from excel afaik [22-Feb-25 11:42 PM] potaterror#0000 Pulling inventory (and eventually market) information from FIO. [22-Feb-25 11:43 PM] potaterror#0000 Yeah, that's part of why I'm just scrubbing it and going to sheets. [22-Feb-25 11:44 PM] jcheung#0000 looks like you can use scripts to call APIs in excel [22-Feb-25 11:58 PM] tanda#0000 easiest way to access FIO from excel is doing imports to raw data tables, then pivot tables [23-Feb-25 12:10 AM] potaterror#0000 No clue on how to do that from scratch, haven't fooled around with pivot tables at all. [23-Feb-25 12:20 AM] jcheung#0000 you mean like manual imports? [23-Feb-25 12:21 AM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿคข [23-Feb-25 12:42 AM] bookliko#0000 Is this what you are looking for? (lose the *) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1343110629426466869/image.png?ex=681511ff&is=6813c07f&hm=e96d88378fec7f0e8477fea55b37992248522e5cdbea2e3997f83ea65e1558e9& [23-Feb-25 12:47 AM] potaterror#0000 That might handle the pulling, but the formatting in a useful way eludes me since it's just CSV dumps only containing items with non-zero stocks in the various inventories, and I've got no idea how to fit that into a full list of commodities. [23-Feb-25 12:53 AM] tanda#0000 pivot table [23-Feb-25 12:59 AM] jcheung#0000 define `fit that into a full list of commodities` [23-Feb-25 01:02 AM] jcheung#0000 what's some examples of an output that you would be looking for [23-Feb-25 01:06 AM] tanda#0000 More like this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1343116670004232283/image.png?ex=681517a0&is=6813c620&hm=b041543b7dd134034470bbbbce3a2191993fc50a4b6e94aa25c11311dbbd45f9& [23-Feb-25 01:06 AM] tanda#0000 yes, production shipping is busted. I keep meaning to fix that [23-Feb-25 01:07 AM] jcheung#0000 > imports to raw data tables is this automatic or manual [23-Feb-25 01:07 AM] tanda#0000 manual, it updates whenever I tell it to refresh [23-Feb-25 02:11 AM] potaterror#0000 Literally just a full list of commodities, one per column, is how I've been doing it. My stumbling block is importing the data and sorting it appropriately since the API doesn't pass items without values, and I lack the know-how to account for that. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1343133192437366814/Capture.PNG?ex=68147e43&is=68132cc3&hm=26eb295510734f634a6413b1a33fd1e6c72e846715e3fb734f6f44efc1ed1359& [23-Feb-25 03:03 AM] sobyshka#0000 Im personally afraid either discover or deal with horrors created by my ignorance. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1343146132536033310/image.png?ex=68148a50&is=681338d0&hm=0d9759bc1dd84686a504ff69f23c12dca685fc3adc6debc3a4893e765e4feff8& {Reactions} DancieBoi (2) [23-Feb-25 03:53 AM] jcheung#0000 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cRO0MdB0dJXs79vTxS-KXGmi2JqP1nntgDt3XAULnGI/edit?usp=sharing so something like this? {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ [23-Feb-25 03:53 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1343158901448904756/image.png?ex=68149634&is=681344b4&hm=de817d0167721fabee89134c498cd7870a14f36e9b102e7d9d8101d275694637& [23-Feb-25 03:55 AM] jcheung#0000 formulas in b3, c1, c2, c3 but doesn't strictly need MAP() and the formula can be dragged along instead [23-Feb-25 04:00 AM] jcheung#0000 (i'm sure there's more efficient ways to do this, but it's the closest i could make it quickly [20 minutes]) [23-Feb-25 04:36 AM] potaterror#0000 Yep, exactly what I was after. [23-Feb-25 04:37 AM] potaterror#0000 I should be able to finagle this into doing what I want now that I've got it as a reference. [23-Feb-25 04:37 AM] potaterror#0000 Thanks! [23-Feb-25 04:48 AM] jcheung#0000 The location list can also be pulled with unique() as well, but it needs some additional finagling to do base+war properly [23-Feb-25 04:51 AM] potaterror#0000 I'll pull it apart and figure out how it works as I have more time, but if I can't figure out how to make it play nicely I may ping you about it. [23-Feb-25 04:52 AM] potaterror#0000 Gives me what I need to read up on, that's a big chunk of things. Thanks again. [23-Feb-25 05:17 AM] evov#0000 I play the steam version of the game without any extensions/addons/fio support etc. I get CX price data from the prices csv that can be imported into a spreadsheet. I get warehouse data by copy/pasting into a sheet. Some things like building costs and production formulas are manually entered. Everything else is basically just manipulating data in a spreadsheet to get the information I'm interested in. [23-Feb-25 05:21 AM] evov#0000 I think the important thing is really just working out what questions are worth answering. What level of precision / detail makes a meaningful impact. [23-Feb-25 05:30 AM] potaterror#0000 I don't really feel the need to work out things to the point of building costs or production chains in a spreadsheet, I'm pretty content with PrunPlanner for that. It doesn't work so great for keeping track of stockpile thresholds or material buffers though, especially not with the way I've got my logistics set up. [23-Feb-25 05:35 AM] laaxus#0000 my logistic setup is just stockpiling 45 days worth of supplies [23-Feb-25 05:38 AM] potaterror#0000 Yeah, I've got ~60 days on most bases, but it's sort of an extended star topology, so there's a degree of cascade from HRT as my primary depot down to some outliers that in turn resupply individual bases. [23-Feb-25 05:39 AM] potaterror#0000 Figuring out the reserve and keeping those intermediaries at a good level is what PrunPlanner really doesn't do at all. [23-Feb-25 12:25 PM] tanda#0000 Did I miss something? Why did I just sell 2 months of volume in a day on REA? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1343287519403446322/image.png?ex=68150dfd&is=6813bc7d&hm=b9aa0a015ed08d6e1f9ab22018ce0edc47af45a365532ca5690fe002fc632071& [23-Feb-25 12:32 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1343289304797151362/image.png?ex=68150fa7&is=6813be27&hm=b9d5a4e8d1d80173602be3e9280e44f04ba06ba72a7ea2b699a5eb330ddd1416& [23-Feb-25 12:32 PM] tanda#0000 Farm bases are cheap. I would recommend dropping as many as possible in the area and just putting them on HER manufacture [23-Feb-25 12:32 PM] tanda#0000 they're low shipping too, you can pretty much ignore them for a couple weeks at a time [23-Feb-25 12:34 PM] laaxus#0000 said the guy who removed its harmonia base last week [23-Feb-25 12:35 PM] laaxus#0000 but yes, FRM bases are nice [23-Feb-25 12:43 PM] tanda#0000 Well yeah, I have plans for the permit, lol [23-Feb-25 01:56 PM] sidepipe#0000 Please build more HER bases and buy my DDT [23-Feb-25 01:56 PM] sidepipe#0000 I can drop more chem bases ๐Ÿ˜„ [23-Feb-25 03:42 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 @sidepipe makes great DDT. All-natural, free range, organic DDT. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ โค๏ธ ๐Ÿ’ฏ [23-Feb-25 04:05 PM] razenpok#0000 With electrolytes? [23-Feb-25 04:32 PM] potaterror#0000 It's got what plants crave. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ† (3) ๐Ÿ‰ [23-Feb-25 04:32 PM] potaterror#0000 (Also dioxins) [23-Feb-25 05:19 PM] vanarazor#0000 Hahahha love this chat [23-Feb-25 10:15 PM] vanarazor#0000 ok game is starting : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1343435991632842806/image.png?ex=6814ef84&is=68139e04&hm=3aff8cfcf377123bfca65a7c917236ff0fa092d795c722e07ecd712ad7999535& [24-Feb-25 03:01 PM] laaxus#0000 If anybody wants to drop a base on hephaestus and don't know what to do [24-Feb-25 03:01 PM] laaxus#0000 I'd recommend a PPF base [24-Feb-25 03:02 PM] laaxus#0000 doing PSM PSS PSL {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [24-Feb-25 03:03 PM] laaxus#0000 btw [24-Feb-25 03:03 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1343689800238108672/image.png?ex=68148a64&is=681338e4&hm=27927974cf6a208a4887109a56393812212d234eabd7299b6a0ce25932f0b6ee& [24-Feb-25 03:03 PM] laaxus#0000 @Market Alerts [24-Feb-25 03:04 PM] laaxus#0000 PSM and PSL still are at absurd price [24-Feb-25 03:04 PM] laaxus#0000 there just isn't enough production [24-Feb-25 03:05 PM] archielvahr#0000 I dunno, price looks okay to me ๐Ÿ˜† [24-Feb-25 03:05 PM] igfloz#0000 PSS , PSM don't move very quickly imo. PSL has always been high since I started I think [24-Feb-25 03:05 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm producing half psm half pss [24-Feb-25 03:05 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Cant make out anything in the image [24-Feb-25 03:05 PM] laaxus#0000 full time [24-Feb-25 03:05 PM] laaxus#0000 my production is bought 24h after I put it on the market [24-Feb-25 03:06 PM] laaxus#0000 PSL PSM PSS are underproduced and therefore have a high price [24-Feb-25 03:06 PM] igfloz#0000 maybe I'm just missing it - I don't use a great amount [24-Feb-25 03:07 PM] laaxus#0000 At first, I was selling at a low price [24-Feb-25 03:07 PM] laaxus#0000 but now I'll just sell at high price [24-Feb-25 03:07 PM] laaxus#0000 and then [24-Feb-25 03:07 PM] laaxus#0000 brag about it on the UFO [24-Feb-25 03:08 PM] laaxus#0000 *ABSURD PROFIT ON A 3 GREEN PLANET 2H AWAY FROM THE CX ICANT" [24-Feb-25 03:08 PM] jcheung#0000 I recommend against new players doing this [24-Feb-25 03:08 PM] laaxus#0000 yes, new players shouldn't do it because the bids aren't safe enough [24-Feb-25 03:08 PM] jcheung#0000 Do a mix at least, not pure ppf [24-Feb-25 03:08 PM] laaxus#0000 tho, I say it again [24-Feb-25 03:09 PM] laaxus#0000 for the past 30 days, my production was bought 24h after being put to sale, like 90% of the time [24-Feb-25 03:09 PM] laaxus#0000 at most a week [24-Feb-25 03:09 PM] archielvahr#0000 Sounds like maybe you are selling it too cheaply! [24-Feb-25 03:09 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Yea [24-Feb-25 03:09 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Prices seem fine [24-Feb-25 03:10 PM] laaxus#0000 I was selling it at 90k/d profit [24-Feb-25 03:10 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 BEN CX seems to have decent PSM (60 ish units, going for 3k) [24-Feb-25 03:10 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 It doesnt move [24-Feb-25 03:10 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 (Sorry i am the BEN focused guy lol) [24-Feb-25 03:10 PM] jcheung#0000 I will say psm and pss quantities are a bit thin, but price seems fine from memory [24-Feb-25 03:10 PM] eminence32#0000 sometimes "not moving" just means "priced too high and everyone decided to make their own" [24-Feb-25 03:11 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I do have a full PPF base churning out nothing but PSL. It will come to the market sooner or later [24-Feb-25 03:11 PM] laaxus#0000 let me buy your entire cx out of spite [24-Feb-25 03:11 PM] laaxus#0000 one moment [24-Feb-25 03:11 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Aaaa [24-Feb-25 03:11 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I'll sell my small stockpile [24-Feb-25 03:11 PM] jcheung#0000 Bbbb [24-Feb-25 03:12 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Had to protect the market, bought it myself lol [24-Feb-25 03:12 PM] laaxus#0000 fair enough [24-Feb-25 03:12 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Now when will the risk of you buying me out go away [24-Feb-25 03:13 PM] laaxus#0000 PSM at 3000 is absurd {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1343692362735554570/image.png?ex=68148cc7&is=68133b47&hm=90859399500c47d2159919c56992f1c86f45d0b5c633f8c1f025faa0fe0639a1& [24-Feb-25 03:13 PM] laaxus#0000 you're safe [24-Feb-25 03:14 PM] jcheung#0000 What are you buying PG at for that [24-Feb-25 03:14 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Someone bought out PSL on BEN CX oof [24-Feb-25 03:14 PM] laaxus#0000 ask price [24-Feb-25 03:15 PM] laaxus#0000 40 [24-Feb-25 03:15 PM] laaxus#0000 PSM price should be around 2100-2200 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1343692879591112754/image.png?ex=68148d43&is=68133bc3&hm=b4fbde713ce2def62cd76cfb85ab531772f50b70f3a8da1a4c12b4378deb2495& [24-Feb-25 03:16 PM] archielvahr#0000 I adjusted my holdings on the CX [24-Feb-25 03:16 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Well, yes. Prices have been showing an upward trend in ANT [24-Feb-25 03:17 PM] laaxus#0000 This is the base with PSM at 3500 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1343693242687819806/image.png?ex=68148d99&is=68133c19&hm=a7c36083fe4c168e3f88963c6e47b1b876cc67683e5e0e4b5edc47cffaef3be9& [24-Feb-25 03:17 PM] archielvahr#0000 70k profit on a base, ๐Ÿ˜ญ [24-Feb-25 03:17 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 70k profit on a base is a bit....low. Dont you think? [24-Feb-25 03:18 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Ah yes, PROFIT [24-Feb-25 03:18 PM] laaxus#0000 the base is relatively low cost I consider a roi of 15 to be what should be expected [24-Feb-25 03:18 PM] laaxus#0000 anything lower than 10d is absurd [24-Feb-25 03:19 PM] eminence32#0000 fools [24-Feb-25 03:19 PM] eminence32#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1343693854678978691/image.png?ex=68148e2b&is=68133cab&hm=a02da023223476b0ae7299258e9210302717ad9179f90d60ae53d5888697ae5d& [24-Feb-25 03:20 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 What are you making for so less profit [24-Feb-25 03:20 PM] eminence32#0000 i'm pretty sure i have a base with a 60d roi, but i just can't find it right now ๐Ÿ˜‰ [24-Feb-25 03:20 PM] archielvahr#0000 I guess if you aren't taking loans and need to maximize return on a small amount of capital, you will want to optimize for ROI [24-Feb-25 03:21 PM] archielvahr#0000 I guess I forget that, but I did play that way too in the past [24-Feb-25 03:21 PM] eminence32#0000 this is my gibson base making prefabs [24-Feb-25 03:21 PM] jvaler#0000 y'all are spoiled holy [24-Feb-25 03:22 PM] jcheung#0000 I was about to say that [24-Feb-25 03:22 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I make a bunch of fuel on 3 permit bases, ofc i am not used to seeing 70k/d profit [24-Feb-25 03:23 PM] eminence32#0000 but prunplanners "profit" calculator assumes that you sell everything. if you end up consuming it youself, the profit number isn't the whole picture [24-Feb-25 03:23 PM] jvaler#0000 oh 3 permits lol [24-Feb-25 03:23 PM] jvaler#0000 not really comparable i guess [24-Feb-25 03:23 PM] laaxus#0000 it is the same picture [24-Feb-25 03:23 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 The rest of the bases include a couple H bases (4 permits in total), again, seeing a lot more than 70k a day [24-Feb-25 03:23 PM] laaxus#0000 because you're buying at ask [24-Feb-25 03:23 PM] laaxus#0000 There's no difference between consuming your production [24-Feb-25 03:24 PM] laaxus#0000 and selling at ask, then buying at ask [24-Feb-25 03:24 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Yes, after rational thought i did realise that [24-Feb-25 03:24 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 But at first i was like "thats....so low" [24-Feb-25 03:24 PM] laaxus#0000 internal consumption means you're selling at ask price, at no risk (hence why it is so strong) [24-Feb-25 03:25 PM] laaxus#0000 that's why one should think in term of roi {Reactions} โญ [24-Feb-25 03:25 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Internal consumption is just your profit moving down (up?) the production chain [24-Feb-25 03:26 PM] jcheung#0000 Averaged* [24-Feb-25 03:26 PM] eminence32#0000 prunplanner is assuming that you can sell at bids prices. but when i plan my own bases, i assume that i have to buy at ask prices, which can be a lot higher [24-Feb-25 03:26 PM] laaxus#0000 you can litteraly do that in prunplanner ? [24-Feb-25 03:26 PM] laaxus#0000 you know that, right ? [24-Feb-25 03:26 PM] laaxus#0000 my cx setting in prunplanner are buying at ask price, selling at bid price [24-Feb-25 03:27 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 ^ [24-Feb-25 03:27 PM] eminence32#0000 is this somewhere in the CX management tab? [24-Feb-25 03:27 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1343695911980634122/image.png?ex=68149016&is=68133e96&hm=8b4a4434aa4679b09d0b9ebd214cbd97aa0bf363f4fdd5e34b8be3bd6c836292& [24-Feb-25 03:27 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I dont remember exactly [24-Feb-25 03:27 PM] laaxus#0000 cx settings [24-Feb-25 03:28 PM] jvaler#0000 buy = ask sell = bid [24-Feb-25 03:28 PM] eminence32#0000 ahh, yes, thanks for reminding me about this [24-Feb-25 03:32 PM] laaxus#0000 Anyway [24-Feb-25 03:32 PM] laaxus#0000 The best way to reduce price is to increase production {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [24-Feb-25 03:32 PM] laaxus#0000 however, I can't build many bases on one planet [24-Feb-25 03:33 PM] laaxus#0000 (and 2nd 3rd permit are jsut a waste tbh) [24-Feb-25 03:33 PM] laaxus#0000 so now I'm gonna used leased bases to that end [24-Feb-25 03:36 PM] jab.sh#0000 economics 101 ๐Ÿ˜„ [24-Feb-25 04:25 PM] potaterror#0000 Ah, PrunPlanner's sweet little lies... here's what it claims about one of my bases ATM: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1343710342538072195/Capture.PNG?ex=68149d86&is=68134c06&hm=f60729a1cdd4590c8b2dc69b7ae29c33de4c8887f8e644a15880a47645e9356f& [24-Feb-25 04:37 PM] jcheung#0000 Heh. What does that make [24-Feb-25 04:37 PM] jcheung#0000 It's also why it's suggested to only use those numbers as a guideline rather than a hard rule [24-Feb-25 04:39 PM] potaterror#0000 DW/FIM/MTP. Realistically the only market output is MTP. That's HRT prices though, so I could pretty easily skew it further for funsies. [24-Feb-25 04:41 PM] potaterror#0000 Oh yeah. If I try I can bump that down to like 4 days. Hah. [24-Feb-25 04:43 PM] potaterror#0000 I guess I could put some effort in and see how close it actually is. Probably well under, but it's very stable production. [24-Feb-25 04:50 PM] archielvahr#0000 Prunplanner and rprun really like my shield bases, AWH and AHP, etc. But I think it undervalues Nike [24-Feb-25 04:50 PM] archielvahr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1343716689145237554/image.png?ex=6814a36f&is=681351ef&hm=7d046071ce8722c91fb183086bb1820158e9836e444b32ac4a939e3a69d6a95d& [24-Feb-25 05:42 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1343729844285866086/image.png?ex=6814afb0&is=68135e30&hm=80982772b215526aab1ad8823d3267dafeafc1649b93afcdc764a70fc94681c9& [24-Feb-25 05:42 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bVl7y.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/no-way-never-shake-head-schitts-creek-david-rose-gif-26023718 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/qrU6hqbHFveOM8y74Wh2dmXJdEXk0fd6bc0Pk0Zw9NA/https/media.tenor.com/fWHm7ew5okEAAAAe/no-way-never.png [24-Feb-25 05:46 PM] jab.sh#0000 you know you want to [24-Feb-25 05:47 PM] jvaler#0000 the rep... [24-Feb-25 05:55 PM] jab.sh#0000 aren't you overdue for a repair anyway {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [24-Feb-25 06:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I just keep ship repair supplies on hand at Deimos always [24-Feb-25 06:55 PM] razenpok#0000 Why do you think it undervalues Nike? [24-Feb-25 06:57 PM] archielvahr#0000 Oh just that the value of the products to me is higher than the cx price. I have a big mix of products there and probably the PSH drags down the average output. [24-Feb-25 06:57 PM] archielvahr#0000 Cause lots of gateway stuff going there atm. [24-Feb-25 06:58 PM] archielvahr#0000 Also a UPF and some of those input mats are pricy if you use cx prices. [24-Feb-25 06:58 PM] razenpok#0000 Ahh, okay. It indeed cannot guess the contextual value :kekw: [24-Feb-25 07:03 PM] jcheung#0000 anyone around with a base on 840c? [24-Feb-25 07:04 PM] jcheung#0000 ...or willing to hold some stuff for me for a couple weeks in WAR? [24-Feb-25 07:05 PM] tanda#0000 send it to me with a buyback contract? I just rented 1k/1k space [24-Feb-25 07:07 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/ygws.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/bender-futurama-neat-wow-gif-5744318 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Bv2fOGs0XsrZ5XieeQs9uYJp72SWsF0HVd1cYF-L5xA/https/media.tenor.com/Hyi9fxFJyNkAAAAe/bender-futurama.png [24-Feb-25 07:07 PM] jcheung#0000 i think i can do one better and keep it at 1 cont [24-Feb-25 07:09 PM] jcheung#0000 @tanda cont sent [24-Feb-25 07:10 PM] jcheung#0000 what do you think about that ๐Ÿ˜„ [24-Feb-25 07:11 PM] tanda#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ [24-Feb-25 07:12 PM] tanda#0000 ~~Dude. That's gonna be a week at least before I can ship that~~ Oh I get it [24-Feb-25 07:13 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‰ [24-Feb-25 07:14 PM] tanda#0000 I didn't know you can ship from one location to the same location [24-Feb-25 07:14 PM] tanda#0000 Interdasting [24-Feb-25 07:15 PM] jab.sh#0000 you can also put the same commodity twice in a multi cont [24-Feb-25 07:15 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm glad you caught on to it before sending a ship out xD [24-Feb-25 07:16 PM] jcheung#0000 technically, you can put it in as many times as you're willing to click in one session [24-Feb-25 07:16 PM] jcheung#0000 you just might be very sick of clicking after the first couple [24-Feb-25 07:18 PM] tanda#0000 I just set up a couple month long supply contracts [24-Feb-25 07:18 PM] tanda#0000 so I'm very happy I can put the same commodity in it multiple times [24-Feb-25 09:16 PM] vanarazor#0000 If MEA requests Order Book are not moving while Offers Order Book are dropping, is it safe to say that no one actually buying and everyone have some stock of it ? [24-Feb-25 09:16 PM] vanarazor#0000 Even DW is dropping, now Offers are even Lowers than yesterday requests ... [24-Feb-25 09:16 PM] vanarazor#0000 is everyone FoodProcessing heavily now ? [24-Feb-25 09:18 PM] vanarazor#0000 on the other hand, RAT Offers have reached AI market Maker [24-Feb-25 09:36 PM] potaterror#0000 MEA can move slowly, I think I went basically all of last week without selling anything. Then someone rolled in bought like 700 units off of me last night. That was CI1 though. [24-Feb-25 09:38 PM] jab.sh#0000 sounds about right, buying a month at a time [24-Feb-25 09:39 PM] jab.sh#0000 that's what I do [25-Feb-25 04:11 PM] jcheung#0000 SC market is a bit lonely. Amyone wanna join me ๐Ÿ˜ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1344069188481716315/Screenshot_20250225_171043_Chrome.jpg?ex=68149a3a&is=681348ba&hm=7ee44b8f36758ffc16d0db9165d087201192c8ae24e24b6e7a8fdefeeca140f7& [25-Feb-25 04:11 PM] jcheung#0000 *waits for someone to buy everything and relist for 3k a pop* [25-Feb-25 04:16 PM] jab.sh#0000 that would only cost 1.3m ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Feb-25 04:18 PM] jcheung#0000 Right [25-Feb-25 04:18 PM] jcheung#0000 You gonna do it ๐Ÿ‘€ [25-Feb-25 04:21 PM] jab.sh#0000 tempted [25-Feb-25 04:24 PM] jcheung#0000 I only have another 600 or so, you won't have to worry about me undercutting you after you buy that too ๐Ÿ˜‚ [25-Feb-25 05:56 PM] jcheung#0000 decommissioned my first base [25-Feb-25 05:56 PM] jcheung#0000 feels weird [25-Feb-25 05:58 PM] jab.sh#0000 cheaper than a new permit? [25-Feb-25 06:02 PM] jcheung#0000 well if you recall from my discussion with you, some dumbass forgot to ship HQ materials to his HQ [25-Feb-25 06:02 PM] jcheung#0000 also this base would cost more to upkeep than it's currently worth to me [25-Feb-25 06:02 PM] jcheung#0000 two bases actually, still working on fully shuttering the second [25-Feb-25 06:03 PM] jcheung#0000 very heavy on shipping and profits.... well, one of them profits aren't super bad but the other isn't great [25-Feb-25 06:11 PM] tanda#0000 I just shuttered a C base on SE-110d and a FRM base on Harmonia. I'm about to tear down my FP base on Phobos today too {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฎ (2) [25-Feb-25 06:12 PM] jab.sh#0000 right when RATs are at MM?! [25-Feb-25 06:12 PM] tanda#0000 Yeah, I'm still making RAT, lol [25-Feb-25 06:13 PM] tanda#0000 I was making DW there, but I swapped to FIM for the last month. Now my HER is almost gone and it's time to do something else [25-Feb-25 06:14 PM] sidepipe#0000 You can come join me on SE-052a if you want more FPs somewhere else ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Feb-25 06:15 PM] jab.sh#0000 I need to start selling RAT and stop stockpiling it [25-Feb-25 06:15 PM] sidepipe#0000 Itโ€™ll probably never be worth more than it is right now [25-Feb-25 06:24 PM] tanda#0000 I would love to have some low maintenance FPs, but I don't want to spend 11mil on the permit {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [25-Feb-25 06:42 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah it's literally pegged at the MM price lol [25-Feb-25 06:42 PM] jab.sh#0000 I don't know how people manage 30+ bases [25-Feb-25 06:53 PM] tanda#0000 I had initially planned to try to bootstrap a RAT production line in Thalassa to make use of ISA and HYFs, but after hearing AFC was needing members bad, I just kinda got out of the way [25-Feb-25 07:00 PM] jab.sh#0000 AFC is much better off now [25-Feb-25 07:00 PM] jab.sh#0000 what we really need is more shipping capacity [25-Feb-25 07:01 PM] jab.sh#0000 HYF needs a ship every other day [25-Feb-25 07:30 PM] sidepipe#0000 yeah - I'm just replacing a much less profitable permit (my base on Nike which is doing nothing) [25-Feb-25 08:15 PM] jcheung#0000 @tanda you know that was supposed to be a joke right {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [25-Feb-25 08:16 PM] tanda#0000 nope, went over my head [25-Feb-25 08:16 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/sHziSY5gTSu.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/okay-sounds-good-jim-halpert-the-office-good-point-gif-15559601663074157456 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/97OJ_4ui00rpn8yFO8e5kpdOLjHPp7O4vKi-q2cBcPM/https/media.tenor.com/1-7PRjYcw5AAAAAe/okay-sounds-good.png [25-Feb-25 08:18 PM] tanda#0000 I did run the numbers though: It'll only take me 270 days to burn through all of it if I have to eat it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [25-Feb-25 08:19 PM] jcheung#0000 i think the real question here is... will the SC market go back down, or will it continue to go up [25-Feb-25 08:20 PM] tanda#0000 It'll go back down, price disparity between the markets is sizeable now. We should see people trying to make a quick buck by shipping between CXs [25-Feb-25 08:20 PM] tanda#0000 but hey! 1.3m more solvency for you, lol [25-Feb-25 08:20 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm not complaining [25-Feb-25 08:20 PM] jcheung#0000 i do need the money ๐Ÿ˜‚ [25-Feb-25 08:22 PM] jcheung#0000 hey. looks like a few new SC producers came online in the past 2 months [25-Feb-25 08:22 PM] jcheung#0000 got bumped from #2 to #4 ๐Ÿ˜„ for 30 day lead [25-Feb-25 08:23 PM] tanda#0000 nice? That market was already pretty glutted with only a few producers. [25-Feb-25 08:23 PM] jcheung#0000 glutted... hmmm. [25-Feb-25 08:23 PM] tanda#0000 I remember complaining once that it was only like 250k for a 2 month supply {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [25-Feb-25 08:24 PM] tanda#0000 That's the sad thing: Over half of my bases use SC, and I still only consume 3.5 per day [26-Feb-25 01:21 AM] evov#0000 I can jump in there if needed. SC availability/pricing just isn't really on my radar. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1344207590950965302/image.png?ex=6814725f&is=681320df&hm=2f206f66b1ab2a03616dff4d53e121496283b0c2fa75dc76c3436970ec749d8e& [26-Feb-25 01:22 AM] jcheung#0000 Your choice-i was mostly joking around a bit [26-Feb-25 09:07 AM] jcheung#0000 damn, with the price of HE and AL, TRU costs about what people are asking to make! [26-Feb-25 02:52 PM] jcheung#0000 @_sashkaa i see your embezzlement attempts have been thwarted by some stick in the mud {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [26-Feb-25 02:56 PM] _sashkaa#0000 (I entered the election as a joke and now I'm ROFLing from my own Trump impression) [26-Feb-25 02:56 PM] _sashkaa#0000 long time no see jcheung how ya doin my man [26-Feb-25 03:03 PM] jcheung#0000 existing [26-Feb-25 03:05 PM] _sashkaa#0000 ah [26-Feb-25 03:05 PM] _sashkaa#0000 you shifted away from needing C? [26-Feb-25 04:13 PM] tanda#0000 Working on the HE angle [26-Feb-25 04:15 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1344432611937878108/image0.gif?ex=68149b31&is=681349b1&hm=47cf21e177bdf637fa2a199141cc6d4c86b7c700c13eac91736a9bbb81e15203& [26-Feb-25 06:24 PM] getonthetrain#0000 I was gonna drop an HE base a few weeks back but then I saw that Canadian Tire and Mental home just dropped new bases on Aeolus and Archiel was there just a few weeks before that. So figured the market will trend back down soon enough [26-Feb-25 06:26 PM] tanda#0000 I only dropped that bass simply because there's no guarantee. Anybody's going to be actually selling it on the market and I need 90 a day. [26-Feb-25 11:08 PM] jcheung#0000 oh fuck me [26-Feb-25 11:08 PM] jcheung#0000 i forgot to load PSL [26-Feb-25 11:08 PM] jcheung#0000 well that's a waste of a lot of time [27-Feb-25 01:08 AM] realharvey#0000 Where do you need it? I have a few ships docked [27-Feb-25 01:25 AM] realharvey#0000 Lil Corgi is on its way {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1344571138252083272/image.png?ex=68147374&is=681321f4&hm=db8b808e493a40c91c8e1e4baf41402f37bed6a2d7f46a43bb6818a21305a01d& {Reactions} โค๏ธ [28-Feb-25 02:32 AM] jcheung#0000 hmmm. i feel like HMS price is going to spike in the near future if more people don't make it [28-Feb-25 02:35 AM] jcheung#0000 though, i could be completely overthinking it {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1344951104584159283/image.png?ex=681483d3&is=68133253&hm=b4da2d2f7d2d2aeeed9244f232df7dc3ce7b0e791158abeb79315ac1dc07488a& [28-Feb-25 02:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 supply/demand seems fine, but I don't trust those numbers anymore [28-Feb-25 02:41 AM] laaxus#0000 I used to be a large HMS producer but left the market [28-Feb-25 02:42 AM] laaxus#0000 5 CLF is enough to feed the AI1 cx [28-Feb-25 02:42 AM] jcheung#0000 what i'm basing this on is the fact that bids are rising [28-Feb-25 02:42 AM] jcheung#0000 which means that if this continues, in about a month the bids will punch through the current asks [28-Feb-25 02:43 AM] jcheung#0000 HRT is already higher than us, BEN is starting to rise (probably some ANT consumers hitting BEN) and MOR is still stable [28-Feb-25 04:58 AM] jcheung#0000 phew, my poor AL refinery ๐Ÿ˜“ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1344987028596461608/image.png?ex=6814a548&is=681353c8&hm=30e6c8718b100e0742577d7220132e143c9113facab533d5fd5187394691655c& [28-Feb-25 05:01 AM] laaxus#0000 I know AL price is not high enough ... [28-Feb-25 05:01 AM] laaxus#0000 Buying a lot, but producers produce more than I can consume [28-Feb-25 06:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 uhhh {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1345003143519273010/Screenshot_2025-02-28_at_7.57.46_PM.png?ex=6814b44a&is=681362ca&hm=b1a7f72eb3bb3469f0c4499f9c9a47f9636001afcb5abc31a7901d6fc099b8a3& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [28-Feb-25 06:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 whyd it go up so much๐Ÿ˜ญ [28-Feb-25 06:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 i didnt do that much in the last week [28-Feb-25 06:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 but i feel so rich now [28-Feb-25 06:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 i dont need to watch my balance every time im buying something [28-Feb-25 06:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 :D [28-Feb-25 06:19 AM] jcheung#0000 Congrats [28-Feb-25 10:10 AM] laaxus#0000 is it me or =IMPORTDATA("https://rest.fnar.net/csv/prices") keeps failing [28-Feb-25 10:10 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1345065650783125587/image.png?ex=6814ee81&is=68139d01&hm=24304d7abcb8b4957bb0861ded98a1aefcf8cf6b922807d7e6030cca43fbdd95& [28-Feb-25 10:10 AM] laaxus#0000 (the url is correct, that's not the issue) [28-Feb-25 10:11 AM] laaxus#0000 to refresh used to fix the issue [28-Feb-25 10:12 AM] nx#0000 I had issues with it earlier today, but it sorted its self out after a little bit [28-Feb-25 11:06 AM] jcheung#0000 I always have it fail if i have more than one api call per sheet [28-Feb-25 11:07 AM] jcheung#0000 Idk if you're doing that tho [28-Feb-25 11:08 AM] manhim#0000 I just add ?cache=1 at the end of it and increment the number each times it happens [28-Feb-25 11:08 AM] manhim#0000 Google will cache the response for 1 hour otherwise and won't retry even if it failed [28-Feb-25 11:16 AM] laaxus#0000 nice fix ty [28-Feb-25 03:14 PM] moke.#0000 @evov Whats your pricing on the 5k/5k right now? [28-Feb-25 04:33 PM] evov#0000 Realistically, they should be 11mil. But. . . . someone who really really really likes WAL has been paying high prices for that on the CX for it, so I've kept my price at 15mil until WAL / W price gets back to normal. It's just more profitable for me to sell the WAL I make to those CX orders than it is to turn it into ships. [28-Feb-25 08:39 PM] moke.#0000 Fair enough. I'll be in touch in a few days ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Feb-25 09:48 PM] jab.sh#0000 I import in a user script instead, IMPORTDATA was always flakey for me [01-Mar-25 03:59 PM] thinkrhino#0000 Hello [01-Mar-25 03:59 PM] laaxus#0000 yep [01-Mar-25 03:59 PM] laaxus#0000 yes it increases speed of production {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ก [01-Mar-25 03:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 [01-Mar-25 03:59 PM] laaxus#0000 it's worth it in 99% of scenario [01-Mar-25 03:59 PM] thinkrhino#0000 I was already looking up production chains to try and brew my own {Reactions} fishahhh [01-Mar-25 03:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So are PWO [01-Mar-25 04:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 (All luxury goods are) [01-Mar-25 04:00 PM] laaxus#0000 btw, I don't want to overwhelm you, so do it at your own speed But there's a tool that calculate many things related for a base, including profit for a recipe for a planet etc [01-Mar-25 04:00 PM] laaxus#0000 it's called prunplanner {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ก [01-Mar-25 04:00 PM] laaxus#0000 you don't have to learn to use it today, just know that it exists [01-Mar-25 04:00 PM] laaxus#0000 so that you don't spend hours on a spreadsheet, just to do what prunplanners does already [01-Mar-25 04:01 PM] laaxus#0000 (nothing wrong with buiding your spreadsheet if it's fun to you) [01-Mar-25 04:01 PM] igfloz#0000 PIO =yes, SET = yes, TEC= getting expensive, ENG = big wallet, SCI = wait, how much ? {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [01-Mar-25 04:01 PM] laaxus#0000 https://prunplanner.org/ {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/ PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [01-Mar-25 04:01 PM] laaxus#0000 https://youtu.be/Vi-i6rLZMaQ?si=rZSgFkkQ26JBcYz0 {Embed} Lord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi-i6rLZMaQ How to use Prunplanner for Prosperous Universe Hopefully this video helps you understand how to set up Prunplanner, if you have any questions please leave them below --Links-- The official Prosp discord https://discord.gg/YkwpJ2hdDE Link to Prunplanner https://prunplanner.org/ Background audio used https://youtu.be/EM5KwkTQzsE Ending music from Sweet Cafe https://youtu.be/6DhONAQfEVg https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/DSq6GXwpy1FwDBpBlIBMy2TpSSXULzOp4ckXQXPKUp0/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/Vi-i6rLZMaQ/maxresdefault.jpg [01-Mar-25 04:01 PM] laaxus#0000 again, no pressure, it can wait a few days [01-Mar-25 04:02 PM] laaxus#0000 just know it's there [01-Mar-25 04:02 PM] laaxus#0000 if you feel bored or don't know what to do, you can check that up [01-Mar-25 04:02 PM] laaxus#0000 but it's considered core gameplay [01-Mar-25 04:02 PM] jcheung#0000 [01-Mar-25 04:02 PM] jcheung#0000 COF is a little expensive though, PWO is a cheaper one that you really should have. COF is also usually good, but can wait if your funds are low {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [01-Mar-25 04:11 PM] thinkrhino#0000 I had my eyes on PWO as well [01-Mar-25 04:12 PM] laaxus#0000 oh btw, I recommend installing rprun [01-Mar-25 04:12 PM] laaxus#0000 it makes the game better [01-Mar-25 04:12 PM] laaxus#0000 https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/refined-prun/coabeheneafgglpakallmkienlidgaof?pli=1 {Embed} https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/refined-prun/coabeheneafgglpakallmkienlidgaof?pli=1 Refined PrUn - Chrome Web Store Browser extension that simplifies the Prosperous Universe interface and adds useful features https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/hPsN5HOtFUCLcxqVs0mCTSHtGDQoqKnlBAjjtVckLM4/https/lh3.googleusercontent.com/SWgg9Ku17dE-vzMu7Eaqnv3FvVOMLgq3gOY2y7dPwirpF47ACo4n4I_s6nX_nxuQZUf8V7zE3KOcGtUYAIXhPIwwBA%3Ds128-rj-sc0x00ffffff [01-Mar-25 04:13 PM] laaxus#0000 also exists for firefox [01-Mar-25 04:21 PM] thinkrhino#0000 Ok I think I figured out the basics of prunplanner. [01-Mar-25 04:21 PM] thinkrhino#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1345521460650704977/image.png?ex=68149cc2&is=68134b42&hm=e016f484c6b8aafca96ff9f43f6f81be2dd5dccfdfdce45de5a726a837e99b8a& [01-Mar-25 04:22 PM] thinkrhino#0000 Got my base added in there all cozy like [01-Mar-25 04:23 PM] laaxus#0000 nice ! [01-Mar-25 04:23 PM] laaxus#0000 btw I recommend those cx settings {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1345521969847861413/image.png?ex=68149d3c&is=68134bbc&hm=6d8d42970b8f2d886edf095dfbf063fa819bfd7bdd292dc87fd1347a1382bba9& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [01-Mar-25 04:29 PM] thinkrhino#0000 Oops, I was padding my ledgers [01-Mar-25 04:29 PM] thinkrhino#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1345523397991334010/image.png?ex=68149e90&is=68134d10&hm=798391036af15c2fe65844482623f0e4ff4f5ae97eb5072d569dcfdf9b3392f3& [01-Mar-25 04:32 PM] thinkrhino#0000 oh wow, I didn't know I could play in-browser. I was using the Steam Client [01-Mar-25 04:32 PM] thinkrhino#0000 Now your plug-in makes much more sense. Still don't know what it does but I guess I'll find out [01-Mar-25 04:33 PM] laaxus#0000 tons of QoL [01-Mar-25 04:33 PM] laaxus#0000 and corgis [01-Mar-25 04:34 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1345524618068361276/image.png?ex=68149fb3&is=68134e33&hm=0a96594aa1f4eb66b318449f301e240d4b7b236fdc9a8627cd25d58477740af1& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [01-Mar-25 04:34 PM] laaxus#0000 and better financial charts [01-Mar-25 04:46 PM] jcheung#0000 ah yes, the FINCH [01-Mar-25 05:17 PM] tanda#0000 Double FINCH {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1345535469869596692/Screenshot_2025-02-23_150027.png?ex=6814a9ce&is=6813584e&hm=40e7ac4b29f3f556b07e2886372f3645c3a1cc6e4f36ff383843e72e5fcac194& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [01-Mar-25 05:17 PM] tanda#0000 finances improved by 100% [01-Mar-25 05:19 PM] realharvey#0000 meanwhile I still didnt get it lol [01-Mar-25 05:24 PM] tanda#0000 I don't know what to tell you, even Razenpok seemed a little shocked [01-Mar-25 05:24 PM] tanda#0000 this is the 5th time I think I've seen the bird at all, but double bird chances are low low {Reactions} ๐Ÿฅณ [01-Mar-25 05:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 I've actually also never seen the bird [01-Mar-25 05:52 PM] jcheung#0000 i've never seen it either [01-Mar-25 05:52 PM] jcheung#0000 but that's probably because i've only opened finch about 3 times [01-Mar-25 06:29 PM] razenpok#0000 ultra rare double birb [01-Mar-25 06:29 PM] razenpok#0000 1 in 10000 [01-Mar-25 06:30 PM] razenpok#0000 Let's f go {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1345553727368466464/image.png?ex=6814bacf&is=6813694f&hm=de4affd608cfe7d343d7de59f3b8d3385e396ab79767ed073ec11d83dfe65c11& {Reactions} โค๏ธ [01-Mar-25 06:30 PM] razenpok#0000 Bullied everyone into sub-700 price {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [01-Mar-25 06:31 PM] tanda#0000 nice! [01-Mar-25 09:20 PM] thinkrhino#0000 Bullying works [01-Mar-25 09:21 PM] thinkrhino#0000 That's the message everyone should take away from this [01-Mar-25 10:28 PM] tanda#0000 It's really interesting how my equity has doubled in the last 4 months (roughly 1/4 of my play time) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1345613757203615785/image.png?ex=6814f2b8&is=6813a138&hm=1d74d322a84a07d85ff8558e99bbc1bf8046c307fe21141705156a7cd06971f6& {Reactions} DancieBoi (2) ๐ŸŽ‰ [01-Mar-25 10:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Nice congrats dude! [02-Mar-25 02:47 AM] realharvey#0000 nice pace! [02-Mar-25 03:19 AM] laaxus#0000 PP2 LDE is starting to look ridiculous {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1345686968075419688/image.png?ex=68148e26&is=68133ca6&hm=21399d4b5215c62eb0ee6498d609166e08112982162b860d778dea83d84e6290& [02-Mar-25 09:24 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I need more ships [02-Mar-25 09:24 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But I don't have money [02-Mar-25 09:24 AM] pxlfox.#0000 regret. [02-Mar-25 09:31 AM] realharvey#0000 are you already in a shipping deficit that you need multiple? :D [02-Mar-25 09:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 yeah [02-Mar-25 09:40 AM] pxlfox.#0000 rocks. [02-Mar-25 09:40 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Vulcan needs every 2-3 days a ship [02-Mar-25 09:40 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Nascent the same [02-Mar-25 09:40 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Deimos at least once a Week [02-Mar-25 09:40 AM] pxlfox.#0000 KI-840 also 2-3 days a ship [02-Mar-25 09:42 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I need probably at least another WCB [02-Mar-25 09:47 AM] tanda#0000 I wonder if there's enough NL production to support enough LDE production to bring down the price [02-Mar-25 09:48 AM] laaxus#0000 NL is underpriced [02-Mar-25 09:49 AM] laaxus#0000 Production will Rise when Price will Rise [02-Mar-25 09:50 AM] realharvey#0000 NL has always been around that price. ~~But I believe PG price has risen decently~~ Actually it went down [02-Mar-25 09:52 AM] pxlfox.#0000 it already rose - around 4,000 in Dec 24, now around 5,000 [02-Mar-25 02:35 PM] moke.#0000 Im interested in a LCB and an HCB if you want a bunch of AIC ๐Ÿ˜„ [02-Mar-25 02:35 PM] moke.#0000 @evov [02-Mar-25 11:50 PM] vanarazor#0000 I can't wait to have enough money to make provisions for weeks, I can't imagine having many bases to constantly having to provide consumables. I've seen XIT action package and I was wondering if anyone had tips about it's usage. I feel like I'd use it with a bigger shipping power to re-supply monthly consumables stock.. but I can see it being used for smaller stock as well.. [02-Mar-25 11:52 PM] tanda#0000 Most of us beyond a certain point run 30+ day consumable buffers, with lower for production inputs {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [02-Mar-25 11:52 PM] tanda#0000 so yeah, that's mostly what action packages are for [02-Mar-25 11:53 PM] vanarazor#0000 mainly from CX warehouse like ANT? because prices on the CX are higher than internal offers? [02-Mar-25 11:56 PM] tanda#0000 the CX is a good spot to center your empire around for most of us, largely because the storage has no practical upper limit and also because it makes easy to sell stuff [02-Mar-25 11:57 PM] tanda#0000 I personally don't use action packages [02-Mar-25 11:57 PM] tanda#0000 just lazy about setting them up though, so I'm not going to say they're bad [02-Mar-25 11:57 PM] laaxus#0000 I stopped using the internal market the moment I was earning a lot of money {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [02-Mar-25 11:58 PM] laaxus#0000 I consider the cx to be where the fun is at [03-Mar-25 12:03 AM] evov#0000 AIC is clearly the best currency ๐Ÿ™‚ [03-Mar-25 12:13 AM] jcheung#0000 oh neat [03-Mar-25 12:13 AM] jcheung#0000 i not only sent a ship to the wrong spot, but the ship i sent to the right spot i forgot to pack repair mats.... which was the whole damn reason i sent the ship that way [03-Mar-25 12:13 AM] jcheung#0000 *sigh* [03-Mar-25 12:13 AM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜– [03-Mar-25 12:14 AM] tanda#0000 I can sympathize, I've done that before [03-Mar-25 12:14 AM] jcheung#0000 ...i don't suppose you're planning on making a trip to 194d arriving anytime in the next 2 days there tanda? [03-Mar-25 12:14 AM] jcheung#0000 (don't make a special trip for me, just wondering) [03-Mar-25 12:15 AM] tanda#0000 I don't go to 194d, but I literally just launched a ship to 194b a few minutes ago [03-Mar-25 12:15 AM] jcheung#0000 oh oops. why did i think you had something that goes to d [03-Mar-25 12:16 AM] jcheung#0000 well, it's just a backwards b i guess [03-Mar-25 12:16 AM] tanda#0000 lol! that it is [03-Mar-25 12:16 AM] tanda#0000 it all starts to blur together when you're behind on your sleep [03-Mar-25 12:17 AM] jcheung#0000 speaking of, i should be able to take this package back a lot earlier than i thought [03-Mar-25 12:17 AM] jcheung#0000 ...can you see if that fits [03-Mar-25 12:18 AM] jcheung#0000 i've had 10 hours of "sleep" since thursday so i'm sure that's helping me a lot right now (plus 3 hours on and off on a train) [03-Mar-25 12:19 AM] tanda#0000 Well, I returned it, so it fits? [03-Mar-25 12:19 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/xd3M.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-pet-if-i-fit-i-sit-gif-5496524 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/_tFfNQ72BuJ4LKCkLu90oejAo_8s5pYdob6kFB6axvo/https/media.tenor.com/MAwdkrwT82EAAAAe/cat-funny.png [03-Mar-25 12:19 AM] tanda#0000 Any chance of a full night of sleep for you in the near future? [03-Mar-25 12:19 AM] jcheung#0000 ah, heck. of course it would be a tiny bit too much for a WCB in volume and a tiny bit too much in weight for a LCB [03-Mar-25 12:20 AM] jcheung#0000 whatever, i'll burn it down later i guess >.> [03-Mar-25 12:20 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/5aUk.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-perhaps-family-guy-thinking-gif-13587558 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Tfj-6NndOKvYeSJE-OOb9kM-_qPpQvHlgvEqO8HdwQ0/https/media.tenor.com/MXoLJ2rF0_8AAAAe/peter-griffin-perhaps.png [03-Mar-25 12:21 AM] jcheung#0000 plan was to have been sleeping about half an hour ago but for some reason i'm no longer sleepy once i realized that i fucked up my shipping again {Reactions} givelove [03-Mar-25 12:21 AM] tanda#0000 oh no [03-Mar-25 12:21 AM] tanda#0000 not the panic-induced second wind [03-Mar-25 12:22 AM] jcheung#0000 more anger than panic [03-Mar-25 12:25 AM] realharvey#0000 is it fixed? I can send a ship if needed [03-Mar-25 12:48 AM] jvaler#0000 just so people know, a combination of school and being tired of chore simulator has had me not really play the game for a week. i probably still won't for some time, idrk. a lot of my bases are out of inputs, so production has kinda stopped. also ping me if you send a contract {Reactions} givelove (3) [03-Mar-25 01:04 AM] jvaler#0000 related: i'm offering up my CAAP shares in https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1293695249679650931/1346014649145102397 [03-Mar-25 05:57 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 > I personally don't use action packages...just lazy about setting them up though, so I'm not going to say they're bad Unless I misunderstand their use, I'm actually surprised that action packages haven't drawn developer backlash due to the APEX guidelines (https://prosperousuniverse.com/account/guidelines). But then, so are many of the tools that they seem to be fine with (e.g. FIO), so what do I know.... > Do not use external tools for the automatic retrieval of data from the game world *or to automate actions in the game world*. [Most of the rest of Refined PrUN doesn't seem to necessarily run afoul of this though] [03-Mar-25 06:02 AM] laaxus#0000 action package follow guidelines [03-Mar-25 06:02 AM] laaxus#0000 it would break guidelines if it opened/closed the windows for you [03-Mar-25 06:02 AM] realharvey#0000 those action packages have been developed in close communication with the devs [03-Mar-25 06:03 AM] laaxus#0000 sometimes, I wished RPrun would be integrated into the game ... {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (3) [03-Mar-25 06:04 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Especially the bits that are basically just literal bugfixes (case sensitivity on material names in some, but not all, contexts) [03-Mar-25 06:08 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 hmm, I guess I misunderstand what they do then, since it looked like you could take json out of another tool and paste it into the actions to do things like buy exact amounts of many materials at the same time, which _sounds_ like automation to me vs the number of clicks otherwise involved. But I freely admit I haven't tried it, since the description in rprun is "automate certain tasks" and that's so similar to the phrasing of the guidelines "automate actions in the game world", I didn't want to risk anything. Though, again, its clear the devs aren't banning everyone using rprun and are very aware of it, so ๐Ÿคท ... [03-Mar-25 06:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 @razenpok could probably explain in detail how it works, but as far as I understand it, it simulates the player doing those stuff - so it clicks the game UI, inputs the amount you want to buy, and creates and order. The guidelines are probably referring to bots or hijacking game-endpoints to automate tasks without player interaction. The rPrun actions are still player activated [03-Mar-25 08:46 AM] jcheung#0000 It moves the button that requires your interaction to send server contact, so there's no automation [03-Mar-25 08:47 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 oh, so you still have to click once for each order then? [03-Mar-25 08:47 AM] jcheung#0000 At least {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [03-Mar-25 08:47 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 ah, yes, that makes sense then [03-Mar-25 09:28 AM] thinkrhino#0000 Sending my first shipment of carbon to market. I want PWO and COF so badly. [03-Mar-25 09:51 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Check your contracts [03-Mar-25 10:37 AM] jcheung#0000 missed this. would you? that would be great. [03-Mar-25 10:39 AM] jcheung#0000 342/376 t/m [03-Mar-25 11:05 AM] realharvey#0000 15 Hrs on its way {Reactions} โค๏ธ [03-Mar-25 11:07 AM] jcheung#0000 ty [03-Mar-25 11:07 AM] jcheung#0000 lifesaver you are [03-Mar-25 11:08 AM] realharvey#0000 yeah np. I almost always have some shipping capacity available [03-Mar-25 11:08 AM] realharvey#0000 and even after that I added 2 5k5k's [03-Mar-25 11:13 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/tFACLyLmwhz.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/homer-homer-simpson-simpsons-the-simpsons-drooling-gif-16372115206532389459 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/t4I9A4PibGWE8mvqRmWw2CBfXS_3hRfeGemSV1r7Sp4/https/media.tenor.com/4zVwCYMiWlMAAAAe/homer-homer-simpson.png [03-Mar-25 11:14 AM] jcheung#0000 i wanna put together some HCBs [03-Mar-25 11:22 AM] thinkrhino#0000 Thank you! My Pioneers are going to be overjoyed. This is wonderful. [03-Mar-25 11:38 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 You need to accept it [03-Mar-25 11:38 AM] thinkrhino#0000 Roger that [03-Mar-25 11:38 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Ok accept the delivery and then terminate it without paying [03-Mar-25 11:39 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Or pay, I guess, it's cheap [03-Mar-25 11:40 AM] thinkrhino#0000 lol thanks. I didn't read that it was at Harmonia, I thought it was at the station. [03-Mar-25 11:41 AM] thinkrhino#0000 That productivity boost is so nice. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [03-Mar-25 11:43 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Hopefully it gets you until your ship gets back with more [03-Mar-25 11:48 AM] thinkrhino#0000 Ah, you just taught me that I'm using too much fuel flying with the default settings. [03-Mar-25 12:19 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I don't know how I did that, but I agree. (and I find the controls fiddly sicne there's only like 3 settings lower when there is full fuel) [03-Mar-25 12:22 PM] thinkrhino#0000 Well I asked myself, "how would 10 days worth of COF run out before my ship made it back home?" Then I started fiddling with the fuel controls [03-Mar-25 12:49 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Yeah, I sent you like 2-3 days of COF for my base, so I figured it'd last a good long time for you {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘‘ [03-Mar-25 01:38 PM] archielvahr#0000 For this project do you need to supply your own consumables? [03-Mar-25 01:38 PM] archielvahr#0000 I mean workforce consumables, like RAT, etc? [03-Mar-25 01:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think yes for workforce stuffs and you get paid out in AFABs {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [03-Mar-25 01:49 PM] potaterror#0000 Yeah, that's what I'd expect. Got an interest in those spots myself, but I'd have to reshuffle some stuff so some thought has to go into it. [03-Mar-25 02:16 PM] jvaler#0000 correct [03-Mar-25 02:16 PM] jvaler#0000 it's accounted for in payout split iirc [03-Mar-25 02:35 PM] realharvey#0000 Consumables and repairs are being accounted for in the split [03-Mar-25 04:10 PM] 8082i4gor#0000 just blew 200k on raising my representation level thinking it will increase my base permits ๐Ÿฅฒ [03-Mar-25 04:10 PM] 8082i4gor#0000 does it actually give you anything? or does it go somewhere? [03-Mar-25 04:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It gives you bragging rights [03-Mar-25 04:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The in game lore is that is what funds the starter packages for new players [03-Mar-25 04:12 PM] 8082i4gor#0000 well [03-Mar-25 04:12 PM] 8082i4gor#0000 all for the greater good [03-Mar-25 04:12 PM] 8082i4gor#0000 would have preferred buying and sending off the materials to upgrade my HQ instead though ๐Ÿ˜ญ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1346243902113320981/532C04F8-E963-42BC-9230-F31D40AA0001.png?ex=68149a96&is=68134916&hm=507bc7fb5e24e054d1b3d2be9df220eaacb9ad7de2279167e397f1fa1e6eb39f& [03-Mar-25 04:12 PM] 8082i4gor#0000 base plan halted for like 24 hours [03-Mar-25 04:14 PM] jcheung#0000 Oof. Burned your money on epeen... that hurts [03-Mar-25 04:15 PM] jcheung#0000 What level are you now [03-Mar-25 04:19 PM] vanarazor#0000 How can i fulfill a contract from the phone? [03-Mar-25 04:24 PM] jcheung#0000 What do you see [03-Mar-25 04:39 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1346250705131798538/IMG_3296.png?ex=6814a0ec&is=68134f6c&hm=2d756b6f340052bcb5b518854f3afbf4daa882d8768226ca3eec4bf9d1383711& [03-Mar-25 04:44 PM] jcheung#0000 Drag left [03-Mar-25 04:44 PM] jcheung#0000 Fulfil is offscreen to the right [03-Mar-25 05:17 PM] vanarazor#0000 Oh my god [03-Mar-25 05:17 PM] vanarazor#0000 Thanks man [04-Mar-25 01:51 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 2 [04-Mar-25 01:51 AM] 8082i4gor#0000 it is what it is -w-, ill recover [04-Mar-25 12:29 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I'm probably just bad, but... are there tricks to using the contracts interface that aren't obvious? For example, I can't seem to edit a condition (saving doesn't ever work when I edit the condition). Likewise, I constantly find myself forgetting something like the destination, or having a product type not save properly after I type it in, which combined with being unable to edit means I have to reset the entire template. [04-Mar-25 12:30 PM] laaxus#0000 you can't edit conditions anymore since the multi item contracts [04-Mar-25 12:30 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 oh, of course. ๐Ÿ˜ฟ [04-Mar-25 12:31 PM] laaxus#0000 and yes, you have to redo the entire contract when you do a mistake [04-Mar-25 12:31 PM] laaxus#0000 no, there's no QoL to this [04-Mar-25 12:31 PM] laaxus#0000 yes, it's painful [04-Mar-25 12:31 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I was really hoping you would tell me I was just bad and there was an obivous fix I was missing. [04-Mar-25 12:31 PM] laaxus#0000 Nope, we're all on the same boat [04-Mar-25 12:32 PM] laaxus#0000 if you find yourself re reading 5 times, and still making mistakes, it happens to me to [04-Mar-25 12:33 PM] realharvey#0000 still to this day I fuck up some conts :D [04-Mar-25 12:33 PM] laaxus#0000 My theory is that the game was too good and therefore destiny forced the devs to make very bad QoL to balance the equation of the matrix [04-Mar-25 12:49 PM] archielvahr#0000 Sometimes you have to change the quantity field in order to change a contract, even if you want it to stay the same (change it, then change it back). Otherwise it won't save. Not sure if that's what you're seeing. [04-Mar-25 12:50 PM] archielvahr#0000 But with templated multi item contracts you can't edit the number of entries. I have no problems changing quantities or material items in them, however. [04-Mar-25 12:53 PM] razenpok#0000 wdym "you can't edit conditions"? [04-Mar-25 12:54 PM] laaxus#0000 in multi item contracts, you can't edit them anymore [04-Mar-25 12:56 PM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1346556842658238525/Screen_Recording_2025-03-04_at_19.55.44.mov?ex=68151549&is=6813c3c9&hm=0a7defd1a7587af55a8db070a417e414b33b3fa4b65e8b03bc1a994ef9315dcb& [04-Mar-25 12:56 PM] laaxus#0000 well [04-Mar-25 12:56 PM] laaxus#0000 I tried for like 10m to press on save [04-Mar-25 12:56 PM] laaxus#0000 and nothing happened on my end [04-Mar-25 12:57 PM] razenpok#0000 [04-Mar-25 12:57 PM] razenpok#0000 This [04-Mar-25 12:57 PM] razenpok#0000 This a long-standing bug iirc [04-Mar-25 12:57 PM] laaxus#0000 LMAO WHAT ??? [04-Mar-25 12:58 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 lol what [04-Mar-25 12:58 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 see, this is the type of information I was looking for. [04-Mar-25 12:58 PM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1346557370603409418/Screen_Recording_2025-03-04_at_19.57.59.mov?ex=681515c6&is=6813c446&hm=0edac67b20f5eace710135eaa9c7701eb822da41fcc5eaeb706bb3e496788f99& [04-Mar-25 12:58 PM] laaxus#0000 I learn this 6 month into the game ??? {Reactions} ๐Ÿฅฒ [04-Mar-25 12:59 PM] razenpok#0000 It appears to be an exception response {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1346557664838029372/image.png?ex=6815160d&is=6813c48d&hm=d936b402d21676b7d2bc287c0e7ec2c0797677c23c8bc68ef2b1d43340053c41& [04-Mar-25 01:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have gotten away with just clicking into that field and not needed to change anything [04-Mar-25 01:01 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah it's been reported ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [04-Mar-25 01:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 don't you avoid CONTs like the devil tho? [04-Mar-25 01:11 PM] jcheung#0000 That's false [04-Mar-25 01:11 PM] jcheung#0000 If you're editing something with an amount, put a 0 in front of the amount when you want to... say, change the location {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฏ [04-Mar-25 01:11 PM] jcheung#0000 It will not allow you to edit unless the amount changes. Old bug. [04-Mar-25 01:12 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 feels like a bug that rprun should have fixed for them ๐Ÿ™‚ (like material case sensitivity) [04-Mar-25 01:12 PM] jcheung#0000 Oh, hey, i shoulda scrolled down. 2 other people said the same thing [04-Mar-25 01:12 PM] jcheung#0000 I don't know if it's something he *can* fix [04-Mar-25 01:12 PM] jcheung#0000 Or rather, is allowed to [04-Mar-25 01:13 PM] jcheung#0000 Well, i guess he could just insert a 0 in front of every number [04-Mar-25 01:13 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I mean, he can clearly edit user input. [04-Mar-25 01:13 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 exactly [04-Mar-25 01:13 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 (and, possibly even remove it again) [04-Mar-25 01:13 PM] jcheung#0000 Hey @razenpok how feasible would it be to chuck a 0 in front of every amount field when you go to edit conditions [04-Mar-25 01:17 PM] razenpok#0000 For some reason, the bug is still there if I do that {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™ƒ [04-Mar-25 01:18 PM] razenpok#0000 I'm digging into prun code to figure out what's going on [04-Mar-25 01:18 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1346562532621684866/image0.gif?ex=681471d5&is=68132055&hm=139baff3561ee459343a3c48ce41caf797904cfaa2b8aaaedf933873ae3b0acb& [04-Mar-25 01:21 PM] razenpok#0000 Ok, I think I got it fixed {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ โค๏ธ ๐Ÿ˜ [04-Mar-25 01:22 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1346563582644719687/image0.gif?ex=681472d0&is=68132150&hm=b91e200c48301246d23a84f8a4ae9724b720169f2768377bce42671ffce1d8f1& [04-Mar-25 01:24 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 This, here, is like a magical experience. [04-Mar-25 01:25 PM] razenpok#0000 The bug under the hood is: prun always tries to interact with the "amount" as if it is a string, but it starts out as a number and only becomes a string if it was edited [04-Mar-25 01:25 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Amazing. [04-Mar-25 01:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So you can fix that with RPrun? [04-Mar-25 01:30 PM] razenpok#0000 Yep {Reactions} DancieBoi ๐ŸŒถ๏ธ [04-Mar-25 01:34 PM] jcheung#0000 Heh. You know, I've run into that issue a few times, but i gotta say that this not being fixed by prun for so long impresses me [04-Mar-25 01:34 PM] jcheung#0000 Mostly because you found it relatively quickly [04-Mar-25 01:36 PM] razenpok#0000 While some bugfixes and QoL improvements should definitely be a part of the base game, I think it's better that rprun is a separate entity - it gives some freedom with experimentation so we can try new things with less fear of breaking something in the process [04-Mar-25 01:37 PM] razenpok#0000 Well, I found the issue in the minified js code, but idk how it got triggered in the actual source code [04-Mar-25 01:37 PM] razenpok#0000 Maybe it's a non-trivial issue, or an issue in a 3rd party library [04-Mar-25 01:39 PM] jcheung#0000 I faintly recall hearing this bug was added in language update? Or was it political stuff [04-Mar-25 01:40 PM] jcheung#0000 Wonder what had to change for this to become a string instead of number like original [04-Mar-25 01:41 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I dunno, I feel integrating at least clear bugfixes, especially when identified for long periods of time, woudl be strictly better for everyone (e.g. this, as well as case sensitivity of certain commands). {Reactions} true (2) [04-Mar-25 01:41 PM] razenpok#0000 Maybe some refactoring or smth [04-Mar-25 01:41 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I'm not surprised this bug exists, only that it persisted. [04-Mar-25 01:41 PM] .shiva.#0000 the game basically has 1 dev {Reactions} This (2) [04-Mar-25 01:42 PM] laaxus#0000 1 dev, part time [04-Mar-25 01:42 PM] .shiva.#0000 and tbh I'm not totally sure they're full time? [04-Mar-25 01:42 PM] laaxus#0000 so yeah [04-Mar-25 01:42 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 FWIW, fixing the case sensitivity thing would, minute for minute of dev work, have a bigger impact on my play than gateways or gifting of pro. (pre-rprun, anyway) [04-Mar-25 01:42 PM] razenpok#0000 I think molp works full time on it [04-Mar-25 01:42 PM] laaxus#0000 that's why I wished we could participate [04-Mar-25 01:42 PM] razenpok#0000 It's the game designer that works part time [04-Mar-25 01:42 PM] laaxus#0000 let us bugfix, at least [04-Mar-25 01:44 PM] .shiva.#0000 *really*? yeah idk, maybe their backend is more complicated than I think it is, but either way pace is... slow [04-Mar-25 01:45 PM] razenpok#0000 I agree that pace could be better, but I also don't know how his work day looks like [04-Mar-25 01:45 PM] razenpok#0000 (shit, wrong message to reply) [04-Mar-25 01:45 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I have no problem with the pace for larger features, I just can't imagine that fixing the case sensitivity is more than a line or two to actually fix. (whatever that expands to in dev time given testing and release) [04-Mar-25 01:45 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 oh, lol [04-Mar-25 01:45 PM] razenpok#0000 Yeah, I was answering lelisa lol [04-Mar-25 01:46 PM] realharvey#0000 razenpok Prun dev when? [04-Mar-25 01:46 PM] razenpok#0000 It could be that there's a lot of work on backend, frontend, maybe some meetings or something, maybe he's depressed idk [04-Mar-25 01:46 PM] laaxus#0000 I just wish we could participate and develop QoL and bugfix for the game we love [04-Mar-25 01:47 PM] .shiva.#0000 gateways are going to have been the majority of a year to implement, hopefully with the infra in palce we could get some other structures a bit quicker, but I dont think any are on the roadmap as being "near-term" [04-Mar-25 01:48 PM] razenpok#0000 I wish frontend was in an open-source repo so we could make pull requests with bug fixes {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Mar-25 01:48 PM] razenpok#0000 Yeah, I also hope that they are laying the groundwork to make other infra projects faster [04-Mar-25 01:49 PM] .shiva.#0000 looking at it again, Space Elevators -> Space Stations are on the list now [04-Mar-25 01:49 PM] razenpok#0000 It's not about fixing case sensitivity, it's the fact that there are a lot of qol issues and bugs, and fixing one of them won't make other disappear [04-Mar-25 01:50 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I guess I've just really only noticed the two trivial ones then. [04-Mar-25 01:50 PM] razenpok#0000 Nah, after giving some thought to it, it's better that I stay independent {Reactions} โค๏ธ [04-Mar-25 01:50 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Multi-item contracts is a QoL feature, but its more than a trivial fix. [04-Mar-25 01:51 PM] .shiva.#0000 tbh I'd kinda guess it was fairly trivial [04-Mar-25 01:51 PM] razenpok#0000 rprun has 83 features as of now, so it's quite some amount of work to implement [04-Mar-25 02:01 PM] laaxus#0000 Best ones are QoL that you can't appreciate because you take them for granted {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [04-Mar-25 02:06 PM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1346574661374443563/image.png?ex=68147d21&is=68132ba1&hm=f56c38d3250ac611e2296ebaf90410ba92ba3e8d51721ef959e8ce63a8df7e2e& [04-Mar-25 02:08 PM] jcheung#0000 Wish it also reversed the list too ๐Ÿ˜œ [04-Mar-25 11:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I got an new ship [04-Mar-25 11:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 what should I name my LCB bearing ship? [04-Mar-25 11:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 currently the other two LCB ships are Dondozo and Wailord [04-Mar-25 11:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 which are big whale pokemons [04-Mar-25 11:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 wailord {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1346714513910661240/800px-Marlon_Wailord.webp?ex=6814ff60&is=6813ade0&hm=7d41fda8329591610cc898608bdf0015c95e9568cbba47019c563a4c6142f4d7& [04-Mar-25 11:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 dondozo {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1346714597624905739/i-present-my-jumbo-mark-dondozo-v0-usuiog6egpta1.jpg?ex=6814ff74&is=6813adf4&hm=b6362da1b06680f9f2de25a898414ad1a6cfb2c029b069af49d92deec1f9dde4& [04-Mar-25 11:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 all my ships are named after pokemons btw [04-Mar-25 11:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1346715917719048282/image.png?ex=681500af&is=6813af2f&hm=858d945432ded2b29a731f696b80b95cb90732a7df044c9533b4bb7dceb68172& [04-Mar-25 11:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 when I get a HCB I am probs naming it Regigigas [04-Mar-25 11:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 an option for this inprogress LCB ship could be Kyogre if I stick with pokemon [04-Mar-25 11:50 PM] finestone#0000 https://tenor.com/view/wobbuffet-gif-25743066 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/wobbuffet-gif-25743066 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/T7ih5_GXTtnO1CVyrCkzu9cSvlM4PEjjWLphkn2jidA/https/media.tenor.com/MQmhOkm-eaoAAAAe/wobbuffet.png [04-Mar-25 11:51 PM] jcheung#0000 what about HCB [04-Mar-25 11:51 PM] finestone#0000 Wobbuffet! [04-Mar-25 11:53 PM] finestone#0000 Im mostly just happy all your ships are repaired I have seen some ships in horrible ( *shutters* ) conditions from other CEOs. {Reactions} DancieBoi [04-Mar-25 11:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 later [04-Mar-25 11:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but Regigigas [04-Mar-25 11:55 PM] finestone#0000 but Wobbuffet [05-Mar-25 12:00 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1346724131361783878/image.png?ex=68150855&is=6813b6d5&hm=57a16c51d9972a6b5175bee9431512bfa14f74f3c5095054b822d9ed8d6fbea8& [05-Mar-25 12:02 AM] finestone#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1346724490486218834/image0.gif?ex=681508ab&is=6813b72b&hm=92f8b3994bd536198856d037396e816d3f66e4414840b343d17ebd0e12c01d6e& [05-Mar-25 12:04 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I will poll it when I get a HCB {Reactions} blobheart [05-Mar-25 12:17 PM] jab.sh#0000 @keremcozin@bigtoot@thinkrhino you all are either brand new or recently COLIQ'ed... any chance I can convince you to COLIQ again and start on Demios to join DNPC? #bulletin-board [05-Mar-25 12:36 PM] bigtoot#0000 I'd need more details. But you've piqued my curiosity. What would the base plan for this look like? And how crippling/micro will the starter ships be ๐Ÿ˜ญ [05-Mar-25 12:50 PM] jab.sh#0000 I put the details in #bulletin-board [05-Mar-25 10:39 PM] jab.sh#0000 @maxim.bryuzgin let's move over to here ๐Ÿ™‚ I'm over 250 days now I think, I'm happy to answer questions (as is anyone here) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [05-Mar-25 10:42 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 my account is at 143 days, but I wasn't active for a few months of that for unspecified reasons, so I'm probably at a 30-60 day base. [05-Mar-25 10:42 PM] jab.sh#0000 oh yeah I forgot the game tells you ๐Ÿ˜„ [05-Mar-25 10:42 PM] jab.sh#0000 322 days apparently [05-Mar-25 10:42 PM] jab.sh#0000 that's a few more than 250 [05-Mar-25 10:43 PM] jab.sh#0000 I've got 2 free permits, i'd be willing to put one towards this project in the short term, no promises on how much shipping time I can dedicate atm [05-Mar-25 10:46 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 to be super clear, you're talking about my ship quest, or DNPC in this case? [05-Mar-25 10:47 PM] jab.sh#0000 your ship quest [05-Mar-25 10:47 PM] jab.sh#0000 I literally can't build a base on Deimos even if I wanted ๐Ÿ˜ญ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [05-Mar-25 10:47 PM] jab.sh#0000 and I already have a Nike base (for DNPC) [05-Mar-25 10:48 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 true I guess lol [05-Mar-25 10:49 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 though someone got a base on there a while back, took em a long time of course. [05-Mar-25 10:49 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah a few weeks ago there were some free plots, I should've jumped on that {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜” [05-Mar-25 10:50 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 Well, there's always next time [05-Mar-25 10:53 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 as for the ships, I still need to learn a couple of things. First, what blueprints people use, and how to calculate ship stats to verify that they are indeed optimal. [05-Mar-25 10:53 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 fyi I haven't been using prunplanner [05-Mar-25 10:54 PM] jab.sh#0000 I'll share the blueprints I've used (I won't claim ownership of these, basically other people told me to do this ๐Ÿ˜†) this is starter ship -> WCB {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1347069824647561257/screenshot_20250305215353.png?ex=6814f8c9&is=6813a749&hm=59899104c5b1a274050dde11325f323e38ebcbaa5bae84d4fd2222fb1549d156& [05-Mar-25 10:55 PM] jab.sh#0000 and these are two slightly different LCB BPs {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1347069961289465886/screenshot_20250305215455.png?ex=6814f8ea&is=6813a76a&hm=a361aaf365857e830a6cdd5a675b249af3e4e8066ad004fe9791d26fe9b4199d& [05-Mar-25 10:56 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 Lemme copy those down [05-Mar-25 10:56 PM] jab.sh#0000 I wouldn't worry _too_ much on the "right" BP, but I will say people tend to prefer larger fuel tanks, mostly for ease of use [05-Mar-25 10:57 PM] jab.sh#0000 it all depends what kind(s) of ships you want to offer [05-Mar-25 10:57 PM] jab.sh#0000 EvoV offers 4 ships now, with listed prices here https://canary.discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1277039198892986489/1345186952080523284 [05-Mar-25 10:58 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 good to know, didn't see them earlier [05-Mar-25 11:00 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 I want to offer a variety, that probably will expand as we go. Though to start we'll probably be indirectly helping by producing parts for ship building and selling them to ship builders. [05-Mar-25 11:00 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 Gotta have a plan [05-Mar-25 11:01 PM] jab.sh#0000 I think we start off by selling to the CX honestly ๐Ÿ˜„ [05-Mar-25 11:01 PM] jab.sh#0000 and build up from there [05-Mar-25 11:02 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 I've already started somewhat, EvoV's been buying my lithium, I assume for capacitor banks. [05-Mar-25 11:03 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 Think I had just started and was already 12th on the leaderboard [05-Mar-25 11:03 PM] jab.sh#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [05-Mar-25 11:04 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 speaking of which, will need to get in contact with EvoV at some point cause we have similar goals it seems [05-Mar-25 11:06 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 that's gonna be the other half of the process, finding like minded people willing to cooperate with us. [05-Mar-25 11:07 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah, it takes a lot of bases to build a ship, depending on how much you buy from the CX of course [05-Mar-25 11:10 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 the more we can cut down on intermediates, the cheaper we can make our ships [05-Mar-25 11:10 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 ideally of course we just prodouce everythin ourselves, but that is a looong term goal [05-Mar-25 11:10 PM] jab.sh#0000 indeed [05-Mar-25 11:11 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 already have a PG player fyi [05-Mar-25 11:12 PM] jab.sh#0000 I just realized a little while ago how many things PG is in ๐Ÿ˜„ [05-Mar-25 11:13 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 I took a peek at it at some point, I have decided to not learn the other crafting trees yet lmao [05-Mar-25 11:13 PM] jab.sh#0000 it makes sense though, it's basically plastic {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [05-Mar-25 11:13 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 besides the stuff I need in the moment of course [05-Mar-25 11:15 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 getting back to business, to figure out what intermediates we need, we also need to know the final product. Therefore ship blueprints. [05-Mar-25 11:16 PM] jab.sh#0000 LHP and SSC are pretty much a given [05-Mar-25 11:16 PM] jab.sh#0000 and FFC [05-Mar-25 11:17 PM] jab.sh#0000 maybe start with those, pretty much every ship uses the first two, and the FFC, every FTL ship will I believe. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [05-Mar-25 11:21 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 let's see... [05-Mar-25 11:30 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 I assume people prefer LHP because it's cheaper, [05-Mar-25 11:31 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 ignoring the increaced damage from that though, the plates do seem to be better than the previous with each tier, [05-Mar-25 11:32 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 in terms of both reduction, g factor and acceleration, [05-Mar-25 11:32 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 I'll need to get precise numbers on those later [05-Mar-25 11:33 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 well, it's getting late for me so I gotta head out. [05-Mar-25 11:34 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 no need to rush things anyway [05-Mar-25 11:36 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 good luck and good night [05-Mar-25 11:42 PM] evov#0000 I like LHP because of the reduced fuel use / faster flight times. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [06-Mar-25 07:11 AM] tanda#0000 Deimos is a viable agricultural planet right now {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1347194844392456232/image.png?ex=6814c478&is=681372f8&hm=d890c05d200eb10a204f753c58eaebc4df931d5f72b08866ed88fb5f85205bf2& [06-Mar-25 07:18 AM] tanda#0000 This also means Phobos is a viable HER planet {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1347196718378385539/image.png?ex=6814c637&is=681374b7&hm=137d84908cb5eaf88503ccc18400bfe996656b57d61bfd6e40a804e25f0ca37c& [06-Mar-25 07:21 AM] akyantor#0000 Time to start voting for agriculture cogc on Phobos ๐Ÿ˜› [06-Mar-25 07:24 AM] tanda#0000 ๐Ÿ˜› [06-Mar-25 07:49 AM] sidepipe#0000 But what if I make real, actual, not data core electronics there? ๐Ÿ˜ญ [06-Mar-25 07:50 AM] sidepipe#0000 Honestly I think itโ€™d be nice to convert a lot of the fertile planets to agriculture, but thereโ€™s so many established bases to work against [06-Mar-25 07:50 AM] laaxus#0000 We have 1 (ONE) electronic planet in antares [06-Mar-25 07:50 AM] laaxus#0000 it's ok [06-Mar-25 07:57 AM] jcheung#0000 Rise was building up another [06-Mar-25 07:57 AM] jcheung#0000 It's probably dying now though [06-Mar-25 08:00 AM] tanda#0000 We have like 3, i think [06-Mar-25 08:00 AM] realharvey#0000 I know of Phobos an EOS [06-Mar-25 08:00 AM] realharvey#0000 we dont really need more fertile agri [06-Mar-25 08:01 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1347207349420429343/image.png?ex=6814d01e&is=68137e9e&hm=22468fdd5d4d60650464a00ff42083c474e41de2aab273a910ab2f87b10c811e& [06-Mar-25 08:12 AM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ผ [06-Mar-25 12:07 PM] potaterror#0000 Do it. Join the dark side, like my campaign to turn Promitor into a HAL mine. [06-Mar-25 12:08 PM] realharvey#0000 wait what [06-Mar-25 12:10 PM] potaterror#0000 It's a bit of an in joke. Mine HAL on Promitor, ship it to Boucher, extract the water there and process with PG to make DW, then load the DW with HAL and reinject into Boucher. Toss all the spent PG on an empty plot. [06-Mar-25 12:10 PM] potaterror#0000 I guess I'm just a Captain Planet villain. [06-Mar-25 12:12 PM] potaterror#0000 It's all just a ludicrous premise I jab Filefolders with every now and then for amusement, but I'll also slip in some CoGC votes or such from time to time to be cheeky and make people go WTF?! [06-Mar-25 12:12 PM] realharvey#0000 wait what is happening there? You are doing me a big confuse [06-Mar-25 12:12 PM] realharvey#0000 what do you do with DW an HAL on boucher? [06-Mar-25 12:12 PM] potaterror#0000 Absolutely nothing, it's mechanically impossible. [06-Mar-25 12:13 PM] potaterror#0000 It's just some banter from multiple planetary chats. [06-Mar-25 12:13 PM] realharvey#0000 ahh that clears it up [06-Mar-25 12:14 PM] igfloz#0000 I'll wait for the questions to pop up from someone finding this little tidbit and querying why their Prom > Boucher > Prom business isn't profitable in the future........... someone's gonna scroll back right ? [06-Mar-25 12:15 PM] igfloz#0000 oh wait, it could be pinned ?? lol [06-Mar-25 12:17 PM] potaterror#0000 I eagerly await that day. {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [06-Mar-25 12:24 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 fyi, do what you want with the permit for now, we can incorporate pretty much anything into the project. Right now I mostly just need to build up capital and knowledge. [06-Mar-25 12:27 PM] jab.sh#0000 I'm in no rush, lmk once there's a plan ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [06-Mar-25 12:29 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 I guess I should also ask, anything you're interested in producing in particular? Any crafting trees catch your eye? [06-Mar-25 12:30 PM] jab.sh#0000 I haven't really looked [06-Mar-25 12:30 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 what are you making right now? [06-Mar-25 12:33 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 if you don't mind me asking [06-Mar-25 12:36 PM] jcheung#0000 ~~I'm making a mess~~ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’€ (2) ๐Ÿ’ฏ [06-Mar-25 12:58 PM] realharvey#0000 I do the same at a larger scale {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ (2) ๐Ÿ—ฟ [06-Mar-25 01:22 PM] marat_sh#0000 Is it me or does NS order book looks thin? [06-Mar-25 01:23 PM] marat_sh#0000 Iโ€™ve just finished my NS base so we will see ๐Ÿ‘€ [06-Mar-25 01:23 PM] laaxus#0000 You're the invisible hands doing god work ๐Ÿ™ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜… [06-Mar-25 01:38 PM] manhim#0000 Yup, I'm starting work on that too [06-Mar-25 01:45 PM] marat_sh#0000 Struggled to keep up with HAL transportation but new ship is almost done and it will help with HAL flow [06-Mar-25 01:46 PM] laaxus#0000 did you say HAL ? ๐Ÿ‘€ ๐Ÿ‘€ [06-Mar-25 01:47 PM] laaxus#0000 you're selling to the cx or you convert it to cl ? [06-Mar-25 01:47 PM] marat_sh#0000 I have likeโ€ฆ 6k HAL per week I think? [06-Mar-25 01:47 PM] marat_sh#0000 Mostly CX [06-Mar-25 01:47 PM] marat_sh#0000 CX and corp [06-Mar-25 01:47 PM] laaxus#0000 6k seems a lot [06-Mar-25 01:47 PM] laaxus#0000 6k would be 3 permit [06-Mar-25 01:48 PM] marat_sh#0000 I am not at home but I think Hal and me make the most [06-Mar-25 01:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yup [06-Mar-25 01:48 PM] marat_sh#0000 You can check in the lead [06-Mar-25 01:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean i forgot about shipping so im down a bit [06-Mar-25 01:48 PM] marat_sh#0000 Yeah itโ€™s 3 permits Hal base [06-Mar-25 01:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Though I am thinking about freeing up two permitsโ€ฆ. [06-Mar-25 01:49 PM] laaxus#0000 wait, you're overflowing with HAL ?? [06-Mar-25 01:49 PM] laaxus#0000 so you stopped producing ??? [06-Mar-25 01:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Was [06-Mar-25 01:49 PM] laaxus#0000 please sell your HAL to me shall it ever happen again >< [06-Mar-25 01:49 PM] realharvey#0000 just sell to me on site lol [06-Mar-25 01:49 PM] marat_sh#0000 I had one day when I was at full capacity ๐Ÿ˜… 7.5k Hal is storage [06-Mar-25 01:49 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/corgi-dog-pet-sad-bored-gif-16667361 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/corgi-dog-pet-sad-bored-gif-16667361 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/UDJiVxPq_O-V2zYL-_LN4B87dv0kktGLHAhlIw6sJ7g/https/media.tenor.com/bqVy6YNd3y8AAAAe/corgi-dog.png [06-Mar-25 01:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol I hadnโ€™t even noticed it stopped [06-Mar-25 01:49 PM] laaxus#0000 me thinking about that lost hal [06-Mar-25 01:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I was busy with life [06-Mar-25 01:50 PM] marat_sh#0000 Same ^ [06-Mar-25 01:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And I lost two customers [06-Mar-25 01:50 PM] laaxus#0000 skill issue {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘Ž ASAReeeee ๐Ÿคฃ [06-Mar-25 01:51 PM] laaxus#0000 (/j) [06-Mar-25 01:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So I was overflowing with HAL and ALO [06-Mar-25 01:51 PM] marat_sh#0000 I think itโ€™s better to have 1 permit hal base or 3. Two isnโ€™t great [06-Mar-25 01:51 PM] marat_sh#0000 There is a second planet with Hal {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [06-Mar-25 01:51 PM] marat_sh#0000 You can have 2 bases with 1 permit [06-Mar-25 01:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think Iโ€™m third place on the leaderboard rn [06-Mar-25 01:52 PM] marat_sh#0000 Plus I get a non-faction bonus for extraction and chem ๐Ÿ˜Š [06-Mar-25 01:52 PM] marat_sh#0000 Damn [06-Mar-25 01:53 PM] laaxus#0000 6th [06-Mar-25 01:53 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1347295935243489444/image.png?ex=681479de&is=6813285e&hm=10e6e5ee2847b1170a7b8392522970b59a0672a2d1b7882eaf70e85604a26fdd& [06-Mar-25 01:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Lolol [06-Mar-25 01:53 PM] marat_sh#0000 Bruh [06-Mar-25 01:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So I didnโ€™t make 2k [06-Mar-25 01:53 PM] laaxus#0000 2k HAL into the void [06-Mar-25 01:53 PM] marat_sh#0000 I didnโ€™t make like 500 or something [06-Mar-25 01:53 PM] marat_sh#0000 It was idle for a half a day [06-Mar-25 01:54 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/an-emoji-disintegrating-in-pain-gif-22507163 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/an-emoji-disintegrating-in-pain-gif-22507163 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/k9ZfsqSECGf8Xy_lad4fedV0eu-SOKQnXdnzOXXMD7E/https/media.tenor.com/nYdAr6rffx0AAAAe/an-emoji-disintegrating-in-pain.png [06-Mar-25 01:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 [06-Mar-25 01:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Anywho @laaxus @realharvey you guys want 1k each? [06-Mar-25 01:54 PM] realharvey#0000 sure! [06-Mar-25 01:54 PM] laaxus#0000 would love to [06-Mar-25 01:55 PM] laaxus#0000 what price ? [06-Mar-25 01:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 100/u if you want [06-Mar-25 01:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I donโ€™t care {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [06-Mar-25 01:55 PM] marat_sh#0000 I think I can also give 1k each ๐Ÿ˜… when get home [06-Mar-25 01:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 (Actually it would be inconsistent for me to not offer it at that price) [06-Mar-25 01:56 PM] laaxus#0000 I'd feel like I'm ripping youf off I'll buy it to you at 200, please [06-Mar-25 01:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It will go into the void other wise [06-Mar-25 01:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ [06-Mar-25 01:57 PM] jcheung#0000 I pay his ant price because i feel that way [06-Mar-25 01:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 150? [06-Mar-25 01:57 PM] marat_sh#0000 I think cost to make is ~50/u for me [06-Mar-25 01:57 PM] realharvey#0000 now I feel bad for sending it at 120 [06-Mar-25 01:57 PM] laaxus#0000 what price do you want [06-Mar-25 01:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think it costs me 40/u [06-Mar-25 01:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Maybe even 30/u [06-Mar-25 01:57 PM] marat_sh#0000 I sell at corp for 200/u if itโ€™s fine for you [06-Mar-25 01:58 PM] laaxus#0000 good for me ! [06-Mar-25 01:58 PM] laaxus#0000 I'll send a cont to both of you [06-Mar-25 01:58 PM] marat_sh#0000 I will chexk how much I have when get home [06-Mar-25 01:58 PM] marat_sh#0000 But there should be at least 2k in storage [06-Mar-25 01:59 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1347297615909486622/image.png?ex=68147b6f&is=681329ef&hm=f647efa4864cc39498fdf94ffb0eb5475ed4a16d8640f2b3ffd85b22f09475be& [06-Mar-25 01:59 PM] marat_sh#0000 This is my deltas [06-Mar-25 02:00 PM] marat_sh#0000 Not super accurate since it doesnโ€™t show faction bonus [06-Mar-25 02:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You should be able to get it to [06-Mar-25 02:10 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1347300358267076638/image.png?ex=68147dfd&is=68132c7d&hm=ca5ab62bac590c27283f987e552e1cbc4a2b324efcd186cdb590d98c73f05f05& [06-Mar-25 02:10 PM] laaxus#0000 company founded 200 days ago [06-Mar-25 02:10 PM] laaxus#0000 still one base on phobos [06-Mar-25 02:10 PM] laaxus#0000 ??? [06-Mar-25 02:31 PM] jab.sh#0000 everything I make is for other co-ops ๐Ÿ˜„ I don't actually have any bases of my own. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [06-Mar-25 03:24 PM] laaxus#0000 someone cleared my NFI order [06-Mar-25 03:24 PM] laaxus#0000 if someone that has a CLR base wants to produce nfi, it's your time [06-Mar-25 03:27 PM] jvaler#0000 whenever i remember to i always vote agri on phobos [06-Mar-25 03:27 PM] jvaler#0000 haven't really been on tho so [06-Mar-25 03:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I voted for food processing one time [06-Mar-25 03:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 @laaxus look how much HAL I have made in the last 180 days {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1347322273283047525/image.png?ex=68149265&is=681340e5&hm=2d48508c479ca9e3ae5bc10b1df5665de4e5b7577858758302dcbfdcaf2d950e& [06-Mar-25 03:38 PM] laaxus#0000 Not even top 1 ? [06-Mar-25 03:38 PM] laaxus#0000 and you call yourself the HAL guy ??? [06-Mar-25 03:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [06-Mar-25 03:38 PM] laaxus#0000 more serious tho, it's impressive [06-Mar-25 03:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i mean i am about 10k off [06-Mar-25 03:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 that tracks with some of my stoppages [06-Mar-25 03:39 PM] laaxus#0000 About 665/d on average [06-Mar-25 03:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah [06-Mar-25 03:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and the time I forgot to repair so i had less efficency [06-Mar-25 03:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 if I run at about 800/d like I should I should make 144000 in 180 days [06-Mar-25 03:41 PM] laaxus#0000 you keep CL and therefore EPO and therefore RFabs price down [06-Mar-25 03:41 PM] laaxus#0000 thank you for you work ๐Ÿ˜„ [06-Mar-25 03:42 PM] laaxus#0000 I remember buying your hal at halcyon at the beginning of my journey, it was a great help [06-Mar-25 03:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I kept it stable at 250/u for a good chunk of time [06-Mar-25 03:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 then i added more bases but not as many ships [06-Mar-25 03:43 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/kylo-ren-finish-started-vader-finish-what-you-started-gif-5014845 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/kylo-ren-finish-started-vader-finish-what-you-started-gif-5014845 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/T-BunC0XYspKXvR5IFLcs9pq2xvqiWgOob0UApiGaFk/https/media.tenor.com/68s7A-9lQW8AAAAe/kylo-ren-finish.png [06-Mar-25 03:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I was even considering dropping it below 200/u [06-Mar-25 03:53 PM] laaxus#0000 Nah, I want to make it sustainable [06-Mar-25 03:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 nah that was just me being crazy [06-Mar-25 03:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and a dreamer [06-Mar-25 03:55 PM] laaxus#0000 current plan is 280 at cx, 250 at halcyon [06-Mar-25 03:55 PM] laaxus#0000 using darkfuel to ship it to ANT [06-Mar-25 03:55 PM] laaxus#0000 (tho he has yet to take on a contract, did he raise his price ? it isn't 30k anymore ?) [06-Mar-25 03:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i am not sure [06-Mar-25 03:56 PM] laaxus#0000 From what I remember, I could post a 30k contract [06-Mar-25 03:56 PM] laaxus#0000 and he'd take it in the next 24h [06-Mar-25 03:56 PM] laaxus#0000 maybe he was just busy IRL recently [06-Mar-25 03:57 PM] laaxus#0000 dunno [06-Mar-25 03:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I am thinking about adding 2 maybe 3 WCBs to my armada [06-Mar-25 03:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But I am broke [06-Mar-25 03:58 PM] laaxus#0000 (sell his HAL @ 100/u, wonders why he can't afford new ships) {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [06-Mar-25 03:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 hey I make like 3 million a day ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [06-Mar-25 03:58 PM] laaxus#0000 I was (mostly) joking [06-Mar-25 03:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ [06-Mar-25 03:59 PM] laaxus#0000 are you investing in something recently ? [06-Mar-25 03:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 maybe I will buy a HCB first [06-Mar-25 03:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah repairing everything [06-Mar-25 04:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i think it was like 20 million [06-Mar-25 04:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and then 2 new ships [06-Mar-25 04:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh and some new permits [06-Mar-25 04:03 PM] laaxus#0000 My CXOS is SOOO clean {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1347328781873844295/image.png?ex=68149875&is=681346f5&hm=b42c9bc997636d1895bf2f2867ee0d9fc60c68ee9c9bb25167c02b7cdc92f47a& [06-Mar-25 04:03 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1347328844818026618/yp6kp.png?ex=68149884&is=68134704&hm=5dded821c59ccb754e07c18240237b6789410145b21150840ff5d861b72ee9f4& [06-Mar-25 04:04 PM] laaxus#0000 I can't imagine being lowstrife [06-Mar-25 04:05 PM] igfloz#0000 heh, I only have 2 items on my CXOS [06-Mar-25 04:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1347329245226991717/image.png?ex=681498e4&is=68134764&hm=acd8b0c7caaa5fa7b9725d0a2e6dc865376a679e642213e8d06b3ba233945629& [06-Mar-25 04:07 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1347329648605790374/congrats-happy-for-you.png?ex=68149944&is=681347c4&hm=b658af67909eddba8ad50f6eb87d95e0294afb028e804aeb24792edf81b31f23& [06-Mar-25 06:23 PM] maxim.bryuzgin#0000 *laughs in poor* {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1347364052170702858/image.png?ex=6814b94e&is=681367ce&hm=bbbb45dc99e67d50bacdf51387479d873a6bc983fe7d5745c6fb7eb8ca1cd5ac& [06-Mar-25 07:03 PM] jab.sh#0000 poor, or new? ๐Ÿ™‚ [06-Mar-25 07:07 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/I0sW.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ghhhALYFO66rlEc6wa-LFpk2e6bh-duoFnjsOrYFcmM/https/media.tenor.com/ZjqPAZpKWAUAAAAe/the-road-to-el-dorado-both.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ โœ… [06-Mar-25 07:24 PM] infinit3kr#0000 Whats the next good step up for a ship upgrade im going to be looking into that next I think [06-Mar-25 07:25 PM] infinit3kr#0000 Dont want to be flying 2 ships everytime to pick up my consumables [06-Mar-25 07:26 PM] jcheung#0000 starters should go into WCBs [06-Mar-25 07:26 PM] jcheung#0000 we even have a program for that [06-Mar-25 07:27 PM] infinit3kr#0000 where is the info on that [06-Mar-25 07:28 PM] infinit3kr#0000 it takes my 500m just to bring the copper for 2 cycles [06-Mar-25 07:29 PM] jcheung#0000 #psk-information [06-Mar-25 07:29 PM] jcheung#0000 WCB is a lot better for that ๐Ÿ˜‚ [06-Mar-25 07:30 PM] infinit3kr#0000 so roughtl 1.35 mil cost [06-Mar-25 07:30 PM] jcheung#0000 336 units instead of 56 per trip [06-Mar-25 07:30 PM] infinit3kr#0000 roughly [06-Mar-25 07:30 PM] jcheung#0000 and an interest free loan [06-Mar-25 07:31 PM] infinit3kr#0000 guess you cant complain with that [06-Mar-25 07:31 PM] jcheung#0000 you can always complain [06-Mar-25 07:31 PM] jcheung#0000 well [06-Mar-25 07:31 PM] jcheung#0000 i can anyways [06-Mar-25 07:32 PM] infinit3kr#0000 lol [06-Mar-25 11:48 PM] avalock#0000 Yeah i can, loans bad {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [06-Mar-25 11:49 PM] avalock#0000 *hiss* [06-Mar-25 11:49 PM] avalock#0000 ~~they probably arent i just donโ€™t like paying others~~ [06-Mar-25 11:54 PM] jcheung#0000 It's more of a deferred payment program [07-Mar-25 12:05 AM] keremcozin#0000 Good morning all [07-Mar-25 01:52 AM] jcheung#0000 mourning [07-Mar-25 04:34 AM] laaxus#0000 if any new player has idling ships,there are good contracts on the ANT LM, including mine ! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1347517776029552672/image.png?ex=68149fb9&is=68134e39&hm=304b67ef651a3abe7da3173811ac6be5a61206156365f6ebe24095280f8bb4a5& [07-Mar-25 05:15 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 The best new player contracts leave like 50t/50m3 of space for the new player to move their own goods at the same time ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘Ž [07-Mar-25 05:18 AM] laaxus#0000 I doubt any new player has a base on kevin [07-Mar-25 05:28 AM] realharvey#0000 Those are considered good prices? A lot of clicking for not a lot of money moving a ship there [07-Mar-25 05:31 AM] laaxus#0000 for a starting ship, it's not bad [07-Mar-25 05:32 AM] laaxus#0000 price used to be around 10/t, but it might be rising (good, shipping was to cheap) [07-Mar-25 05:37 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Yeah, ok. But, also means they only have a reason for a one way trip. [07-Mar-25 05:38 AM] laaxus#0000 again, it's more money than letting the ship idling [07-Mar-25 05:39 AM] laaxus#0000 ships are capital [07-Mar-25 05:39 AM] laaxus#0000 to let them unused is a waste [07-Mar-25 05:46 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I dunno, its like 5k of fuel on minimum burn, which takes 3 days round trip, plus you take half a percent damage. so 10k payment feels barely worth it, even in my earliest days... [07-Mar-25 05:48 AM] laaxus#0000 Is it ? [07-Mar-25 05:51 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 4900 AIC fuel at current ask. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1347537025095569428/image.png?ex=6814b1a6&is=68136026&hm=a7b0f6334ba44af5d94f95bac1ba5e3d99d796f0bc4f8ad94c71d8556ae890f9& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1347537025548419092/image.png?ex=6814b1a6&is=68136026&hm=09c558cb40a97cfd034dd5aea3fe4d3da117072e14299c982b3e53ff1dc73cc2& [07-Mar-25 05:51 AM] laaxus#0000 it is indeed 5k fuel consumptions, just did the math [07-Mar-25 05:52 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 But, maybe on your very first day when using 2 ships at once for entire the first week is very unlikely (so it really is truly idle for that long), it might be worth it. [07-Mar-25 05:55 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I guess you could underfill the fuel tanks too and make the trip take longer for less fuel, but the 5 day duration of the contract limits what you can do. [07-Mar-25 08:33 AM] jcheung#0000 Wrong. Gotta add the mass of the cargo on the way back [07-Mar-25 08:33 AM] jcheung#0000 It's more expensive or takes longer [07-Mar-25 08:33 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 So, correct, but less correct than I could have been ๐Ÿ™‚ [07-Mar-25 08:34 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 But, adding 500t of mass on the kevin->ant leg of the above calculation has... the exact same fuel and time. [07-Mar-25 08:34 AM] laaxus#0000 found someone to ship it for me [07-Mar-25 08:35 AM] laaxus#0000 but yes, taking it into account, I would have put the shipping price at 15k [07-Mar-25 08:35 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1347578329451991192/image.png?ex=6814d81e&is=6813869e&hm=80bb19bba2bb2058c7349a9ff212516c522b81129a1c72d58680dec1f78acba9& [07-Mar-25 08:36 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Yeah, at 15k it starts to be more reasonable for a new player to sacrifice their ship for 3 days. [07-Mar-25 08:37 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 (I still think leaving a bit of space in the contract to new-player-likely planets like Harmonia and Deimos is better for "new player contracts", since the number of shipments I had to turn down because i needed to move like 20t of my own stuff early on was really sad for me, and I'd have done it pretty cheap if it just covered my fuel). {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Mar-25 08:46 AM] jcheung#0000 What. That's... strange. [07-Mar-25 08:47 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I'm thinking I've checked this a few times and I've never seen mass affect anything, even thouh I know it should, so maybe that view is buggy, or maybe starter ships have something strange going on with them... {Reactions} โ˜๏ธ [07-Mar-25 08:47 AM] jcheung#0000 I do know that starters have a lot more power [07-Mar-25 08:47 AM] jcheung#0000 So that times aren't affected because the mass isn't enough to overcome that [07-Mar-25 08:48 AM] jcheung#0000 But fuel burn should be higher... [07-Mar-25 08:48 AM] laaxus#0000 ship acceleration is limited by the seats [07-Mar-25 08:48 AM] laaxus#0000 for starter [07-Mar-25 08:48 AM] laaxus#0000 not weight [07-Mar-25 08:49 AM] jcheung#0000 Right, but if you're driving a truck with an empty trailer vs one with half a ton of concrete in the bed, your mpg goes down [07-Mar-25 08:51 AM] laaxus#0000 might be negligeable ? Dunno tbh [07-Mar-25 10:16 AM] jcheung#0000 HMS market slightly concerns me, maybe it's only a short term thing but i feel like it's underproducing [07-Mar-25 10:17 AM] laaxus#0000 wouldn't surprise me as I left the market a month ago or so [07-Mar-25 10:41 AM] getonthetrain#0000 That building has only 3 recipes and HSS and LC are barely profitable at current prices, I think it won't be a problem [07-Mar-25 03:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol what? Gold and Indium or Gallium alloy? I only see gold and iron.. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1347679981228003349/image.png?ex=68148e0a&is=68133c8a&hm=4d5b852f2a68f8bacb5b6fad6a09a7fb276d46fa1d4f6ce7648a0af13ae8c82e& [07-Mar-25 03:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 What are you, some sort of scientist? ๐Ÿ˜ [07-Mar-25 03:34 PM] igfloz#0000 yup - rusty gold {Reactions} DancieBoi [07-Mar-25 03:35 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™d totally build a gallium mine if it was in the game [07-Mar-25 03:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 im just some guy [07-Mar-25 03:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol builds RIG to scoup up metal soup [07-Mar-25 03:50 PM] sidepipe#0000 oh yeah, I forgot that's the one that's liquid at (near?) room temp [07-Mar-25 03:50 PM] sidepipe#0000 the universe needs more metal RIGs [07-Mar-25 03:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yep [07-Mar-25 03:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Mercury rig [07-Mar-25 03:51 PM] sidepipe#0000 better hope you get HMS for that ๐Ÿ˜„ [07-Mar-25 04:11 PM] jcheung#0000 Keep that away from my aluminum ships {Reactions} DancieBoi [07-Mar-25 04:25 PM] avalock#0000 Me @ ur aluminum ship :a_bite_kawaii_nom: [07-Mar-25 04:25 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1347696755516637276/image0.gif?ex=68149da9&is=68134c29&hm=73c04b2a4540672196e8ad2f14a41dd5501a1867447aafc9a662b217378d3830& [07-Mar-25 10:35 PM] finestone#0000 @keremcozin how goes the new base construction? [08-Mar-25 03:37 AM] jvaler#0000 i think it might be 35k now [08-Mar-25 09:12 AM] tanda#0000 He just did a bunch for me at 30k [08-Mar-25 09:12 AM] tanda#0000 Other shippers were grabbing the contracts too [08-Mar-25 10:45 AM] jvaler#0000 i guess they just missed the conts i had put up a few weeks ago [08-Mar-25 10:45 AM] tanda#0000 30-35k definitely seems to be a good pricepoint to get a bunch of different people interested in shipping things fo ryou [08-Mar-25 11:34 AM] tanda#0000 Man, Norwick would be a good option for an STL ship if there was any reason to move things between planets {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1347985821076160675/image.png?ex=68150220&is=6813b0a0&hm=785e27ad8024d5bddb32a2cee05a7637fdce6407c3b876a3e420af1ff9cbbf3d& [08-Mar-25 11:34 AM] tanda#0000 5 planets in under 1 AU [08-Mar-25 12:25 PM] vanarazor#0000 in space baby, we are floating as well as your concrete [08-Mar-25 12:26 PM] jcheung#0000 that doesn't matter, the mass is still there [08-Mar-25 12:26 PM] jcheung#0000 to have a same-time burn, you need to send more remass out the other side [08-Mar-25 12:26 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah but inertia [08-Mar-25 12:26 PM] jcheung#0000 that's the problem, overcoming inertia [08-Mar-25 12:27 PM] vanarazor#0000 isn;t greater mass greater inertia ? [08-Mar-25 12:27 PM] jcheung#0000 you don't use less remass to accelerate a larger mass to the same speed and timing [08-Mar-25 12:27 PM] jcheung#0000 yes, and that's the problem. greater mass means you have to overcome greater inertia to get it moving in the direction you want it to go [08-Mar-25 12:28 PM] vanarazor#0000 fair point [08-Mar-25 12:29 PM] vanarazor#0000 I don' t think I've seen a diffrence in fuel consumption due to my cargo weight [08-Mar-25 12:29 PM] vanarazor#0000 may be becasue the cargo weight is negligeable compare to the total mass [08-Mar-25 12:30 PM] jcheung#0000 empty mass 828t [08-Mar-25 12:30 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1347999886867562596/image.png?ex=68150f39&is=6813bdb9&hm=0840ea707def63ea7f2a7fae8f569ad95609d841a008e38fc01bb8cdbdaab4ea& [08-Mar-25 12:30 PM] vanarazor#0000 yup [08-Mar-25 12:30 PM] vanarazor#0000 well that does not make any sense xD [08-Mar-25 12:30 PM] jcheung#0000 500t is very much not negligible ๐Ÿ˜› [08-Mar-25 12:30 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah. oh well. [08-Mar-25 12:31 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/ummmmmm-excuse-me-what-gif-19629790 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/ummmmmm-excuse-me-what-gif-19629790 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/0kQbR8nKZF7WX1ZuNDk3h6a_DWl60XCOauKKDTO7sLc/https/media.tenor.com/Y0MeIF9AI1kAAAAe/ummmmmm-excuse-me.png [08-Mar-25 02:25 PM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1348028906359488603/image.png?ex=68148180&is=68133000&hm=e0bb8ac0f03c88d099e6b5a44b920839e44f79f588085f8dc30cb656c1c3a3d8& [08-Mar-25 02:25 PM] razenpok#0000 https://tenor.com/view/nouns-nounish-nouns-dao-proliferate-proliferation-gif-25867188 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/nouns-nounish-nouns-dao-proliferate-proliferation-gif-25867188 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Qrh10trRU_PJ4npRE2ZzMPDBNzHp3-Hm6_pvkruK6Zw/https/media.tenor.com/QCtrswc7qEsAAAAe/nouns-nounish.png [08-Mar-25 02:26 PM] razenpok#0000 People are giving up on manufacturing REP lol [08-Mar-25 02:28 PM] laaxus#0000 me Send materials to build a new PP2 base on hekaton Open the market Realise we're close to price targets and that a new base will probably overproduce Send the ship back home {Reactions} kekw [08-Mar-25 02:29 PM] laaxus#0000 I'll build CHP base from now on [08-Mar-25 02:30 PM] tanda#0000 time to target AFABs, then? [08-Mar-25 02:31 PM] laaxus#0000 Nah, It's much better to focus on RFabs [08-Mar-25 02:31 PM] realharvey#0000 afabs are already saturated [08-Mar-25 02:31 PM] laaxus#0000 or more specifically, the HAL -> CL -> EPO chain [08-Mar-25 02:32 PM] igfloz#0000 I feel there are a number of people getting in on that right now [08-Mar-25 02:37 PM] tanda#0000 one Rfab base can eat over 2 bases of EPO [08-Mar-25 02:37 PM] tanda#0000 it's going to take a lot of doing before that chain is unprofitable [08-Mar-25 03:13 PM] jab.sh#0000 Does fio have any sort of price history like the charts? [09-Mar-25 12:16 AM] vanarazor#0000 HAL producers where are you [09-Mar-25 01:21 AM] vanarazor#0000 cheers boys and girls catch you tomorrow [09-Mar-25 05:15 AM] jcheung#0000 have you tried looking at Hal {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ [09-Mar-25 10:40 AM] jvaler#0000 @martin1194 @scorpy6225 an FYI that i won't be upkeeping hermes while i'm on break from the game, someone will probably need to step in [09-Mar-25 10:40 AM] jvaler#0000 sorry i forgot to tell y'all sooner [09-Mar-25 10:41 AM] jvaler#0000 @tanda also you'll need to find a new source for MGS for PPP, sorry [09-Mar-25 10:47 AM] martin1194#0000 Ok. got it [09-Mar-25 10:47 AM] martin1194#0000 Thank you for telling [09-Mar-25 10:48 AM] jvaler#0000 same goes for SE-648b if anyone is on there [09-Mar-25 10:48 AM] jvaler#0000 @realharvey @cptboby [09-Mar-25 10:49 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Enjoy your break ๐Ÿ™‚ [09-Mar-25 10:49 AM] jvaler#0000 ty lol {Reactions} DancieBoi (2) [09-Mar-25 10:50 AM] jvaler#0000 i'm hoping some ship flight QoL comes sometime soon [09-Mar-25 10:50 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Those would be nice [09-Mar-25 10:50 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m ready for the sliders to be replaced [09-Mar-25 10:51 AM] .urpalhal#0000 *clicks for an hour get get a better time* [09-Mar-25 11:10 AM] realharvey#0000 They should just give you both flight path options [09-Mar-25 11:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah fr, theres no reason I should be clicking for 3 minutes to gamble for what is sometimes a 5 minute time save, or a 3 hour time save. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [09-Mar-25 11:14 AM] jvaler#0000 sliders are bearable, even. just need the flight time bug removed [09-Mar-25 11:15 AM] jvaler#0000 but what would be better is just inputting a desired time and having it set the fuel amounts automatically to reach that time {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [09-Mar-25 11:16 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Theyโ€™re pretty bad in mobile and sometimes I have had to send a ship off on mobile ๐Ÿ˜“ [09-Mar-25 11:19 AM] .shiva.#0000 Yeah, they're terrible on mobile [09-Mar-25 11:20 AM] .shiva.#0000 The shipping route stuff will be nice, but does sound maybe over complicated, who knows when we'll get it [09-Mar-25 11:44 AM] jab.sh#0000 yeah true, show the min/default/max as buttons, and maybe one slider that just goes between min and max or something (a slider for time, not fuel usage) [09-Mar-25 02:25 PM] tanda#0000 Darn, alright. [09-Mar-25 02:25 PM] tanda#0000 Have a good break, and come back refreshed! [09-Mar-25 03:12 PM] igfloz#0000 Arghh ! I'm doing MGS, but for my own PG production. I wish I could help. @jvaler Take it easy ! [09-Mar-25 03:13 PM] tanda#0000 I've been buying at market rate from jvaler for a while. Chances are I'll have to hit someone up to drop a base for me [09-Mar-25 03:13 PM] tanda#0000 these days it just looks like nobody is making MG, lol [09-Mar-25 03:14 PM] igfloz#0000 It's gonna change. I think a few people might jump into PG. I mean, it's in everything !! lol (might not be everything) ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [09-Mar-25 03:15 PM] tanda#0000 It surely does feel like it, though [09-Mar-25 03:15 PM] tanda#0000 I think I sell all my MG I can make to like 2-3 people at most [09-Mar-25 03:15 PM] tanda#0000 (and I'm reducing my BMPs as of today) [09-Mar-25 03:16 PM] igfloz#0000 so... 2 - 3 people are getting bad news ? [09-Mar-25 03:16 PM] tanda#0000 nope, I'm going to be cutting down on what I produce out of Hephaestus [09-Mar-25 03:16 PM] tanda#0000 It's going to be pretty much just OFF and MG going forward [09-Mar-25 03:17 PM] igfloz#0000 aah .... I was thinking, cue the run on MGS / MG lol [09-Mar-25 03:18 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I'm doing too much there currently, it's making supply a headache, so I'm going to make it more simple {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1348389541660327946/image.png?ex=68147fde&is=68132e5e&hm=8ed901442d199089ff13d058afd07d0de253dba3b6c8ba0efa96741e454ddd44& [09-Mar-25 03:21 PM] igfloz#0000 heh, My Heph base is also a bit of a mess. Manufacturing COGC has turned into a pita for me [09-Mar-25 03:22 PM] igfloz#0000 not that I'm calling your build a mess, lol - it's just a cluster of different recipes [09-Mar-25 03:22 PM] igfloz#0000 Electronics production reliance on manufacturing is what broke mine [09-Mar-25 03:24 PM] igfloz#0000 ...actually, they both kinda rely on each other. The stuff I have to ship between heph and Phobos is getting old now [09-Mar-25 03:25 PM] tanda#0000 I looked at some recipes too, and basically you had to run a ship back and forth between the planets. At least with enough buffer you're not doing it all the time, but it's still a LOT [09-Mar-25 03:26 PM] igfloz#0000 speaking of electronics... cont incoming for HCC soon [09-Mar-25 03:27 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1348391694546108547/image.png?ex=681481df&is=6813305f&hm=c5a3a1756b0a6c518b26b5f51d109a92e4a2abccbd8012f531a5b29a560a2c6a& [09-Mar-25 03:27 PM] tanda#0000 I'm ready [09-Mar-25 03:28 PM] tanda#0000 what I'm not ready for is the next time you need CTF. I gotta bug people for W [09-Mar-25 03:28 PM] igfloz#0000 cool - I'll take 49.88% ๐Ÿ˜„ [09-Mar-25 03:28 PM] igfloz#0000 Oh ? errr, lemme check [09-Mar-25 03:29 PM] tanda#0000 I had like 5k of HCC, I just dumped 3k into allocater's bids yesterday [09-Mar-25 03:30 PM] igfloz#0000 I have 38 ion stock. roughly 30 used every 10 days - so you have a little time [09-Mar-25 03:30 PM] tanda#0000 alright, I'll get on that then [09-Mar-25 03:31 PM] tanda#0000 if nothing else, evayoo said he had over 100 of them [09-Mar-25 03:32 PM] igfloz#0000 oh right... we have some days then. Although I dislike buying off that bandit, he always screws me outta AIC ๐Ÿคฃ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [09-Mar-25 04:44 PM] vanarazor#0000 Do I need to start a base for W to help out? [09-Mar-25 04:49 PM] tanda#0000 That's a very expensive idea, but not a bad one [09-Mar-25 04:49 PM] tanda#0000 ROI on AMLs is something like 120 days, I think? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [09-Mar-25 04:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 something like that [09-Mar-25 04:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 unless you do just BE [09-Mar-25 05:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have 20 W at Vulcan [10-Mar-25 01:41 AM] vanarazor#0000 UH [10-Mar-25 01:41 AM] vanarazor#0000 Im not sure I can afford such a low ROI [10-Mar-25 02:23 AM] evov#0000 I feel like going shopping. I wonder what I should buy. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1348556941546229770/image.png?ex=68147305&is=68132185&hm=508f58f581141a20cb5782499803ffab3afdc67f9777e86530556de239ce2262& {Reactions} DancieBoi (3) โค๏ธ [10-Mar-25 02:55 AM] garoo2004#0000 hey guys, who do i reach out to to take out a loan? [10-Mar-25 02:56 AM] garoo2004#0000 Im thinking of taking a 1m loan in order to upgrade my ship, as my logistics need have increased quite substantially [10-Mar-25 02:58 AM] garoo2004#0000 im almost done setting up my three bases, and its already causing me headache to transport all of the supply for my INC haha [10-Mar-25 02:58 AM] garoo2004#0000 cant think how ill manage them when theyre fully up and working lel [10-Mar-25 02:58 AM] avalock#0000 Milk, eggs, some cheese if youโ€™re feeling spicy [10-Mar-25 03:01 AM] laaxus#0000 @Market Alerts soon NL shortage {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1348566403078426654/image.png?ex=68147bd5&is=68132a55&hm=702c189209e2af1266793e83c92b2c9dcd5b2453f27a605345361999b39d7f71& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ (3) ๐Ÿฅฒ ๐Ÿ‰ [10-Mar-25 03:02 AM] evov#0000 I just bought about 14 thousand FIM and left buy orders for another 6 thousand. Pretty sure FIM has spicy herbs in them. [10-Mar-25 03:02 AM] zillatron#0000 nah I just started using it instead of selling it ๐Ÿ˜› [10-Mar-25 03:12 AM] evov#0000 Ok, shopping spree over. To anyone making FIM or MEA at the moment, enjoy. [10-Mar-25 03:18 AM] jcheung#0000 fek [10-Mar-25 03:18 AM] jcheung#0000 i don't suppose i could convince you that you want another 1k mea >.> [10-Mar-25 03:19 AM] jcheung#0000 oh. you relisted some [10-Mar-25 03:19 AM] jcheung#0000 nvm i guess [10-Mar-25 03:19 AM] laaxus#0000 or another 1k fim ... [10-Mar-25 03:19 AM] evov#0000 Depends on the currency and the price I guess. But if I'm being honest, I feel like I've had my fill for the moment. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1348570957568020520/image.png?ex=68148013&is=68132e93&hm=70bdd871322d3ffa382599de140946885382cc14fe2aabc64ed339f8d691213c& [10-Mar-25 03:19 AM] evov#0000 ./burp [10-Mar-25 03:22 AM] potaterror#0000 ugh now I have to go pick up more and move it to the outlying CXs. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [10-Mar-25 03:22 AM] potaterror#0000 Oh well, that's a tomorrow problem. [10-Mar-25 03:24 AM] evov#0000 Not gonna lie, I do have a little laugh when I see prices at Arclight cheaper than prices at ANT. Because I know someone took it all the way out there and posted it cheaply for some RP reasons. And I know I'm gonna send a few chonky ships out there to bring it all back ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† kekw (2) [10-Mar-25 03:58 AM] jvaler#0000 #psk-information [10-Mar-25 04:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 time to produce PG and NL for myself... [10-Mar-25 04:23 AM] laaxus#0000 Honestly, NL at 6k is not even that profitable [10-Mar-25 04:23 AM] pxlfox.#0000 nope, its not [10-Mar-25 05:09 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I'm not sure EvoV has enough to buy any eggs right now. [10-Mar-25 05:10 AM] avalock#0000 Couldnโ€™t be me [10-Mar-25 05:10 AM] avalock#0000 :eavCASH: [10-Mar-25 05:13 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 eggs are expensive [10-Mar-25 05:13 AM] evov#0000 Depends where the eggs are and how much they are. But yeah, I dropped over 100mil into the CX in a 30min window. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1348599650801946675/image.png?ex=68149acc&is=6813494c&hm=adb9a5b5373c1b46a95ec873ac23806fd558200a0e08454246e8b99617097e8f& [10-Mar-25 09:17 AM] taiyibureau#0000 If you are referring to the 50k DW you took off my hands in ARC you are actually doing me a service. That is all produced on Nehalennia and I can't be bothered to move it anywhere but ARC [10-Mar-25 12:00 PM] jab.sh#0000 cheers, just listed $1m worth ๐Ÿ˜„ [10-Mar-25 03:17 PM] ballpython2777#0000 and I was pumped about hitting a mil for the first time today๐Ÿ˜ญ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1348751545335808071/Screenshot_2025-03-10_161627.png?ex=68147f83&is=68132e03&hm=2f1620735eaff69f68592226174522a940404356e8dc6033f7b780c342d149eb& {Reactions} DancieBoi (6) [10-Mar-25 03:17 PM] ballpython2777#0000 crazy work [10-Mar-25 03:19 PM] laaxus#0000 I remember my first million of cash too {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [10-Mar-25 07:14 PM] evany.#0000 right on dude - i wouldnt worry too much about what others are doing ๐Ÿ™‚ [10-Mar-25 07:15 PM] tanda#0000 We all started somewhere [10-Mar-25 07:15 PM] evany.#0000 except tanda [10-Mar-25 07:15 PM] evany.#0000 hes bezos rich [10-Mar-25 07:15 PM] tanda#0000 you could be like me at 440 days in: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1348811637423083571/image.png?ex=6814b77a&is=681365fa&hm=0e5d0e99e9d5a639332ca823f71e8f5927a77299d3148986a12df455ebe6dd3a& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ (2) [10-Mar-25 07:18 PM] ballpython2777#0000 my goal is to have 10 mil at once by month four [10-Mar-25 07:18 PM] ballpython2777#0000 trust ill do it [10-Mar-25 07:18 PM] tanda#0000 It's quite possible. I wish I could see a liquid cash history, but I don't even know how that would be useful [10-Mar-25 07:19 PM] tanda#0000 I think I had my first 10mil not far after base 5? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [10-Mar-25 07:20 PM] ballpython2777#0000 danggg I cant wait till I have a lot of bases and more ships [10-Mar-25 07:20 PM] ballpython2777#0000 almost at 4 bases but no where near a third ship๐Ÿ˜‚ [10-Mar-25 07:22 PM] tanda#0000 Depending on your use case, you might take a look at COSM's STL only offerings [10-Mar-25 07:25 PM] ballpython2777#0000 those are tempting [10-Mar-25 07:25 PM] ballpython2777#0000 still a little expensive for me tho haha [10-Mar-25 07:26 PM] tanda#0000 I can feel that. Your first LCB ship will be worth the expense, I can tell you that [10-Mar-25 07:26 PM] tanda#0000 If you hit that 10mil, you'll want to get the LCB asap {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [10-Mar-25 07:26 PM] ballpython2777#0000 ohhhh shoot wait the STL only ones are whole ships not upgrades [10-Mar-25 07:27 PM] evany.#0000 actually if that was the goal (it shouldn't be, ten mil networth would be far more impactful/meaningful of a goal) but you do you your best bet would be to build out 4-5 bases and just do nothing but repair and churn stuff out. [10-Mar-25 07:28 PM] ballpython2777#0000 makes sense, my plan rn is to get another ship/upgrade mine then apply for the antares grant to make a CL base [10-Mar-25 07:28 PM] ballpython2777#0000 ๐Ÿคž [10-Mar-25 07:28 PM] evany.#0000 we can help you with both of those [10-Mar-25 07:28 PM] evany.#0000 #agp-information #psk-information [10-Mar-25 07:30 PM] ballpython2777#0000 I could def do the psk thing [10-Mar-25 07:30 PM] ballpython2777#0000 Id be able to pay off the loan in like 3-4 days [10-Mar-25 07:30 PM] evany.#0000 and if you do go after the CL base talk to me, i've been looking to get some EPO running on griffonstone {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [10-Mar-25 07:31 PM] evany.#0000 dont not pay it off, but don't pay it off so aggressively that it hurts either. [10-Mar-25 07:31 PM] evany.#0000 supplies or loan payment-- always choose supplies! [10-Mar-25 08:16 PM] tanda#0000 Workforce supplies all caught up as soon as a couple deliveries hit {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1348826932267057162/image.png?ex=6814c5b8&is=68137438&hm=635c8f83d9e4553d13b2a5b48a35d728eb919752406b00764e0646e2e2750c77& [10-Mar-25 08:31 PM] jcheung#0000 _looks at all his < 3d burn_ [10-Mar-25 08:32 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bRHlF.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/drinking-desperate-i-need-a-drink-that70s-kitty-forman-gif-25152005 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/2xc738Rbyrt2kCmsdLqMWeywDkNFT3FVkSJDJTb9Ll0/https/media.tenor.com/CvpRBgpyxMQAAAAe/drinking-desperate.png [10-Mar-25 08:33 PM] tanda#0000 Burn's not really so terrible right now {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1348831163665350746/image.png?ex=6814c9a9&is=68137829&hm=553d596cb888e4463754d9518ccc1761961575e0c626d5804e533b454919243b& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ (3) [11-Mar-25 02:40 AM] jvaler#0000 "last" chance to get into CAAP! 3/4 of my share offers have been claimed, only astraeus is left [11-Mar-25 02:41 AM] jvaler#0000 it's the easiest of all the bases, literally 0 logistics required (aside from consumables/repair) [11-Mar-25 02:41 AM] jvaler#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1293695249679650931/1346014649145102397 [11-Mar-25 04:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 What are some industries that there arnt a huge amount people doing, but there is still some demand for? [11-Mar-25 04:23 AM] pagy1234#0000 or do those not exist? [11-Mar-25 04:23 AM] pagy1234#0000 since poeple would just go and do them then [11-Mar-25 04:23 AM] laaxus#0000 doesn't exist [11-Mar-25 04:23 AM] pagy1234#0000 fair [11-Mar-25 04:23 AM] laaxus#0000 exactly [11-Mar-25 04:23 AM] pagy1234#0000 bleh [11-Mar-25 04:24 AM] laaxus#0000 there are probably a few examples here and there [11-Mar-25 04:24 AM] laaxus#0000 but very few [11-Mar-25 04:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 I don't thinks its worth it for me to continuously invest into H2O and DW, since it looks like im earning alot, but once I dig thorugh the costs, my Norwick base is paying for all my other bases that dont have good ROI's [11-Mar-25 04:25 AM] laaxus#0000 nah, the game heavily incentivize to diversify [11-Mar-25 04:25 AM] laaxus#0000 to do good bases on good planets is optimal [11-Mar-25 04:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 like ISA, Harmonia, and Phobos each havent paid themselves off yet, but they all make Norwick seem as if it makes endless money [11-Mar-25 04:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 thats kinda annoyying [11-Mar-25 04:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 I wish experts were for the whole company [11-Mar-25 04:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 and harder to get [11-Mar-25 04:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 to incentivise specialisation [11-Mar-25 04:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 like a real economy does [11-Mar-25 04:28 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah, I wished that there were 3 category of expers : - planet experts : boost a specific recipe - company experts : boost buildings - corporate experts : boost industries [11-Mar-25 04:30 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, making there be only planetary experts kinda ruins the point of it, then It could just pass me my 28% boost right from the start since Im going to have it in a month anyways [11-Mar-25 04:35 AM] evov#0000 The problem with more tiers of experts is that it raises the barrier of entry for people to be competitive. Higher levels of specialization also sounds like a great idea. . . . until the market runs out of something that people need. There's already a long enough lead time on the market / global production shifting to compensate. Higher levels of specialization tends to discourage people from switching production to meet unmet demands that aren't already in their lane. [11-Mar-25 04:47 AM] pagy1234#0000 maybe something small would be enough to compensate players who are forced to use less optimal planets to stay in their production lane. maybe 5-10% after 2000 effective hours? [11-Mar-25 04:47 AM] pagy1234#0000 5th expert is ~950 hours iirc, so 2000 wouldnt be a huge amount with 2+ bases [11-Mar-25 04:57 AM] evov#0000 I think in general, planetary conditions ( build/repair costs due to hot/cold/high pressure etc ) have too big of an impact. I think it would be a better / more interesting game if there was more incentive to spread out and colonize more planets rather than dog pile onto already popular ones until they're full. [11-Mar-25 05:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah absolutely, deimos is a perfect example [11-Mar-25 05:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 a billion people sit on that planet when there are comletely empty planets 1 jump away [11-Mar-25 05:37 AM] evov#0000 There's a few contributing factors to it, but I think the relative cost of the planetary conditions is probably the single biggest one. Ability to control / get a return from developing planets is the other thing that keeps people clustered on the main planets rather than spreading out. [11-Mar-25 05:38 AM] laaxus#0000 if we could increase the faction space by expanding [11-Mar-25 05:38 AM] laaxus#0000 there would be an incentive to colonize new systems [11-Mar-25 05:51 AM] evov#0000 Why do you think that's the case? [11-Mar-25 05:52 AM] laaxus#0000 to increase Antares influence is a worthy endeavour [11-Mar-25 05:52 AM] evov#0000 As someone who colonizes new systesms... I can say from my perspective exactly the oposite is true. Faction space puts restrictions on some of the settings Gov's can put on planets. I actively avoid colonizing anything in faction space. [11-Mar-25 05:52 AM] laaxus#0000 I like big color blobs expanding on maps {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [11-Mar-25 06:18 AM] pagy1234#0000 construction prefabs look like cancer to make [11-Mar-25 06:19 AM] laaxus#0000 PP2 PP3 is ok PP4 yeah not great [11-Mar-25 06:19 AM] pagy1234#0000 I was looking at making a small amount of HSE to potentially save and make me some money, but I need 3 bases that are completely unable to be used for much else [11-Mar-25 06:20 AM] laaxus#0000 Sometimes, it's much better to rely on the market [11-Mar-25 06:20 AM] laaxus#0000 you can't do everything alone [11-Mar-25 06:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 TCO base could be on SE-648c and make TIO and O on the side because of great yields on all 3, but pretty much need to process them otherwise 30+ day ROI. TC chemistry base uses the expensive TNP building that can ONLY process TCO and TC to make 3 un-sellable products and finally, making a PP3 base wont be worth it to make HSE, without also putting some PP2's to make the LSE that HSE needs since the LSE alone is more than the sell price of HSE, and LSE has a whole library of ingredients [11-Mar-25 06:23 AM] pagy1234#0000 for all 3 bases I would need to make tons of side products to make it even remotely affordable, but each of those need their own list of garbage to run with profit [11-Mar-25 06:23 AM] pagy1234#0000 bleh [11-Mar-25 06:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 one day il make a 15 base network of side products to make 1 thing that I actually need [11-Mar-25 06:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 but im poor so not yet [11-Mar-25 06:24 AM] laaxus#0000 Anyway dw, It's project CORGI job to reduce fabs price [11-Mar-25 06:24 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm on it ๐Ÿ˜„ [11-Mar-25 06:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah lol, but HSE cost is outrageous [11-Mar-25 06:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 ~11k on market, and as low as ~9k on internals [11-Mar-25 06:26 AM] laaxus#0000 nah, it's not it's just the price [11-Mar-25 06:27 AM] laaxus#0000 you're losing money if you're producing HSE at current ask price [11-Mar-25 06:27 AM] laaxus#0000 HSE is legit cheap right now [11-Mar-25 06:28 AM] laaxus#0000 you'd lose money if you produced your HSE yourself ๐Ÿ˜„ [11-Mar-25 06:28 AM] laaxus#0000 you just need to chose good planets [11-Mar-25 06:28 AM] laaxus#0000 you're still early in you career, you should not have to settle on HSE planets [11-Mar-25 06:35 AM] pagy1234#0000 How? [11-Mar-25 06:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 In the end it is profitable if you did use those bases to refine/produce other materials on the side, since HSE uses barely anything from the TCO -> TC -> (technitium solution thingy) chain [11-Mar-25 06:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 Only 1 technitium per hse per 12h or smt like that [11-Mar-25 06:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 I cant remember [11-Mar-25 06:38 AM] pagy1234#0000 Bleh idk [11-Mar-25 06:38 AM] pagy1234#0000 Most of the cost must come from the AL on the LSE side [11-Mar-25 06:40 AM] laaxus#0000 because the price for break even is higher than current ASK price [11-Mar-25 06:40 AM] laaxus#0000 you'd earn more money by doing something else and buying the HSE on the market [11-Mar-25 06:46 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 If I make a loan payment early, does it immedately start the timer for the next payment without giving me the leftover time for the first? (it looks like it does just start the next payment timer immedately with no benefit) Like, if I have a payment every 10 days, and I pay #1 on day 5, do I have 15 days for #2 or 10? [11-Mar-25 06:47 AM] laaxus#0000 10 [11-Mar-25 06:47 AM] laaxus#0000 no point paying early [11-Mar-25 06:47 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I like controlling when the payment happens rather than getting caaught by surprise by an "automatic" payment. But, good to know [11-Mar-25 06:53 AM] pagy1234#0000 10 days [11-Mar-25 06:53 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 And I beleive interest isn't credited either [11-Mar-25 06:53 AM] tanda#0000 Yeah, LSE is like 75% of the cost for HSE. TCS I make so cheap it doesn't matter {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1348987203639836722/image.png?ex=6814b23c&is=681360bc&hm=1f604fdf55a994816409b9d234ea94bd33bae9eeaca4cb7972914c2ec6088582& [11-Mar-25 06:53 AM] pagy1234#0000 Stupid ass discord not showing up to date messages until i send mine {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [11-Mar-25 06:53 AM] tanda#0000 something to keep in mind is it's okay to mix buildings, but not industries [11-Mar-25 06:54 AM] pagy1234#0000 Do you make the LSE yourself aswell? This looks like market price iirc [11-Mar-25 06:54 AM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah, I was thinking about using the chem planet to refine my HAL into CL [11-Mar-25 06:55 AM] tanda#0000 It is market price, but I eyeball my internals these days and then just lock them in. [11-Mar-25 06:55 AM] tanda#0000 which is why my internal cost is 9k [11-Mar-25 06:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 So if you did make the HSE fully from scratch then it would be less than ask right? [11-Mar-25 06:56 AM] tanda#0000 To give you some idea of how much you need of these buildings: I have 2 TNP, make 8 HSE a day, and overproduce TCS by about 5 per day [11-Mar-25 06:56 AM] tanda#0000 Sure, but since I don't make PG or ALO or TCO I will always be affected by the prices on those ingredients [11-Mar-25 06:57 AM] pagy1234#0000 Oh there is a reliable TCO market? [11-Mar-25 06:57 AM] pagy1234#0000 Was looking at it but its so small that I coudnt tell [11-Mar-25 06:58 AM] laaxus#0000 even if it did, with the money invested for such bases, it would be better for you to invest that capital into better bases and buy the HSE from the market [11-Mar-25 06:58 AM] laaxus#0000 on one case, you get HSE [11-Mar-25 06:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 Fair point [11-Mar-25 06:58 AM] laaxus#0000 on the other, you get HSE + ton of cash [11-Mar-25 06:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 ๐Ÿ˜† [11-Mar-25 06:58 AM] tanda#0000 I'm wary of market saturation when it comes to HSE [11-Mar-25 06:59 AM] tanda#0000 part of why I always drive to get prices down on those types of ingredients is because people avoid those planets when they're expensive [11-Mar-25 06:59 AM] tanda#0000 and there really is other options [11-Mar-25 06:59 AM] tanda#0000 Right now the best thing to do with 3 bases is make FIM [11-Mar-25 06:59 AM] tanda#0000 and it's way cheaper than the HSE chain [11-Mar-25 07:00 AM] pagy1234#0000 That is what I think is most feasable for me to do next [11-Mar-25 07:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 One day when i have a bajillion dollars like evov, il make something stupid for fun :D [11-Mar-25 07:01 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I thought HER was good then I looked at the little additional effort to make FIM on top of that for nearly double the profit. [11-Mar-25 07:02 AM] tanda#0000 Just to go back to this question, I only burn 3 a day so I'm still sitting on about 4 months' supply: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1348989449186443264/image.png?ex=6814b453&is=681362d3&hm=bc5529cff5e1e9efc2b50a66180d445b6c467d258c7b03628bb0143d65872981& [11-Mar-25 07:03 AM] tanda#0000 yep, value add from going up an additional step is sometimes pretty good. Always worth looking at what it looks like one step up the chain [11-Mar-25 07:04 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 fill my contracts, tanda ๐Ÿ™‚ [unless the contract editor screwed me again, then reject them] [11-Mar-25 07:04 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 yay! [11-Mar-25 07:05 AM] tanda#0000 no worries, I just had to have my 2 cents in here before I waded through my notifications again, lol [11-Mar-25 07:07 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I discovered another contract editing bug (now that I know the trick to allow saves is to always change the quantity). It appears to reset the location of the order to your HQ instead of leaving it as the CX (or wherever) So, editing requires basically as much work as creating new anyway. ๐Ÿ˜ก [11-Mar-25 07:12 AM] tanda#0000 Yeah, the multi-contracts are nice but they're a pain to set up [11-Mar-25 12:39 PM] igfloz#0000 This Year's stock............ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1349074361482608660/image.png?ex=68150368&is=6813b1e8&hm=3c38b83a187d64a6b80fe6239dae9060e1db0d6714d3976b9dee2ca91256dd8e& [11-Mar-25 12:40 PM] igfloz#0000 ....Next year's stock ๐Ÿ˜„ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1349074471960711191/image.png?ex=68150382&is=6813b202&hm=355c53d047abef5024c0fbaf3bbd895edd7289e8988cad00a8bc845e76d3f730& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [11-Mar-25 02:36 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I love how this is the Total Cost of Ownership... [11-Mar-25 03:48 PM] igfloz#0000 I might put some on the CX, It's pretty easy for me to mine more when I require. I could also provide to any potential growing newer members that might want to get into TC >> HSE production. As has been stated earlier, it's not ideal to just jump straight in. I figure I'll just try and help @tanda keep the price manageable ๐Ÿ™‚ [11-Mar-25 08:36 PM] garoo2004#0000 hi geas [11-Mar-25 08:36 PM] garoo2004#0000 need opinions [11-Mar-25 08:38 PM] tanda#0000 am.... am I a geas? [11-Mar-25 08:38 PM] garoo2004#0000 my carbon farming industry have pretty much up and running, having two frm bases and one inc base. now idk whether to expand into other industry, or just stick to producing carbon [11-Mar-25 08:39 PM] garoo2004#0000 sticking with carbon seems easier, but theres pretty much no green planets with agri cogc left [11-Mar-25 08:41 PM] tanda#0000 the way forward with Carbon isn't on fertile planets anyways. You do need one fertile planet for GRN, but you should grow your HCP/MAI on a HYF planet {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [11-Mar-25 08:41 PM] tanda#0000 that and I'm a fan of using Phobos in weird and somewhat interesting ways [11-Mar-25 08:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Maybe use your carbon? [11-Mar-25 08:41 PM] garoo2004#0000 oh yeah ive been thinking of turning phobos as a frm base [11-Mar-25 08:42 PM] garoo2004#0000 but the cogc is a problem [11-Mar-25 08:42 PM] tanda#0000 short of going into PE/PG I don't see how you could eat a dedicated Carbon vertical's worth of Carbon [11-Mar-25 08:42 PM] garoo2004#0000 what [11-Mar-25 08:42 PM] garoo2004#0000 into what* [11-Mar-25 08:42 PM] tanda#0000 Just running Harmonia>Nascent with just GRN oversupplied like 2 bases of Smelting back when I did it [11-Mar-25 08:43 PM] tanda#0000 PG is good money, but EPO is king for POLs right now [11-Mar-25 08:44 PM] tanda#0000 (and if I were to run Phobos on FRMs again, I would do HER and process into FIM) [11-Mar-25 08:44 PM] tanda#0000 If you ARE looking to maybe just adding more C production, check out the Thalassa system [11-Mar-25 08:44 PM] garoo2004#0000 oh [11-Mar-25 08:45 PM] garoo2004#0000 perhaps hyf bases in one of thalassa planets? [11-Mar-25 08:45 PM] tanda#0000 there's two really good locations for HYFs around ANT. Life and SE-110b [11-Mar-25 08:46 PM] tanda#0000 SE-110b is a bit more expensive, but has the benefit of literally being next door to Ice Station Alpha, our local water tap {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [11-Mar-25 08:47 PM] garoo2004#0000 one thing though, [11-Mar-25 08:47 PM] garoo2004#0000 if i fully develop the hyf base, can i still keep up the grn production on frm base? [11-Mar-25 08:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [11-Mar-25 08:48 PM] garoo2004#0000 because i thought you can build a lot more hyf on a planet? [11-Mar-25 08:48 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, you can't actually grow GRN on a HYF base {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [11-Mar-25 08:48 PM] tanda#0000 so if you want to do triple burn, you need both FRMs and HYFs [11-Mar-25 08:49 PM] garoo2004#0000 yeah im doing triple burn now [11-Mar-25 08:49 PM] garoo2004#0000 but like, hows the configuration will look like? [11-Mar-25 08:49 PM] tanda#0000 you would probably need to do double/triple burn combo [11-Mar-25 08:49 PM] tanda#0000 just triple burn up to your max production of either HCP or GRN, then run the rest double [11-Mar-25 08:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It depends on how many FRM/HYF and INC you have [11-Mar-25 08:50 PM] garoo2004#0000 hm hm [11-Mar-25 08:50 PM] tanda#0000 I could map out the balance on PRUN planner, but I find things like that are more fun if you do them yourself [11-Mar-25 08:50 PM] garoo2004#0000 yeah youre right [11-Mar-25 08:51 PM] tanda#0000 molp knows I've spent hours balancing production lines after a little bit of dialogue in this discord [11-Mar-25 08:53 PM] tanda#0000 If you do get to the point you're interested in dropping a HYF base, HMU. In about 2-3 weeks, I'm tripling my MHL output [11-Mar-25 08:53 PM] garoo2004#0000 will do haha [11-Mar-25 08:55 PM] garoo2004#0000 why the planet isnt named? or is Life in a different system? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1349198988997431296/image.png?ex=6814ceb9&is=68137d39&hm=eec20fb67d8c1b4a7f34fc167d0c0552f0adce91bbea700b67d14fa59ee248c8& [11-Mar-25 08:55 PM] tanda#0000 Life is a different planet, next to Harmonia {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [11-Mar-25 08:57 PM] garoo2004#0000 lol found it [11-Mar-25 09:42 PM] garoo2004#0000 damn, based on prunplanner if i were to have a hyf and a frm bases supplying for the triple burn carbon, id be making 300k in profits [11-Mar-25 09:44 PM] garoo2004#0000 but theyre hell expensive to setup though [11-Mar-25 09:50 PM] jcheung#0000 a dedicated SUN base could eat that as a snack ๐Ÿ˜„ [11-Mar-25 09:51 PM] jcheung#0000 (going to ignore the fact that you would have to be clinically insane to do that though) [11-Mar-25 10:29 PM] pagy1234#0000 20 milly :DD (including ships) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1349222832982200330/Screenshot_2025-03-12_at_11.29.34_AM.png?ex=6814e4ee&is=6813936e&hm=7143fa0bfd105f54e2c549cef1f43e396b663d24e674d35c3ca975cac1f4ee55& {Reactions} DancieBoi (4) [12-Mar-25 02:17 AM] vanarazor#0000 oh yeah ? [12-Mar-25 02:19 AM] vanarazor#0000 nice!! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ [12-Mar-25 03:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 Do harmonia, phobos and norwick [12-Mar-25 03:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 All triple greens and, harmonia and norwick have good CoGC [12-Mar-25 03:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 Phobos has goofy electronic CoGC but has solid fertility [12-Mar-25 03:23 AM] pagy1234#0000 Use harmonia to make NUT, GRN and MAI(?), phobos to make those 3 and a little HER, then combine at norwick :D [12-Mar-25 03:23 AM] laaxus#0000 honestly not a bad idea FRM + FP FIM is low cost, high revenue, low shipping [12-Mar-25 03:23 AM] pagy1234#0000 Yep, 2 mil total for all bases iirc [12-Mar-25 03:24 AM] laaxus#0000 nah, just do double HER, and buy RAT at ANT [12-Mar-25 03:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 Really? [12-Mar-25 03:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 Thats more profitable? [12-Mar-25 03:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 Insane [12-Mar-25 04:11 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 the FIM cost is absolutely dominated by HER costs, the RAT is nearly ignorable by comparsion (especially when it is infinite supply pegged at the MM, so it will never be worse than that). So, getting HER at the cost of production is a huge advantage. [12-Mar-25 10:17 AM] vanarazor#0000 thanks for the tips, I ll check it out tonight [12-Mar-25 10:30 AM] pagy1234#0000 The #1 producer of FIM has just 6 bases total btw๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [12-Mar-25 11:30 AM] jab.sh#0000 didn't realize I broke 100m ๐Ÿ‘€ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1349419240394063934/screenshot_20250312102954.png?ex=6814f319&is=6813a199&hm=782d52457bc9335a7b965b1a13466db4c444b488cb31f24031400e80e1cbcb7f& {Reactions} โค๏ธ [12-Mar-25 11:31 AM] laaxus#0000 you're growing ... really fast the last 3 month [12-Mar-25 11:31 AM] jab.sh#0000 yeah [12-Mar-25 11:31 AM] laaxus#0000 you took a few loans ? [12-Mar-25 11:31 AM] jab.sh#0000 nope [12-Mar-25 11:31 AM] jab.sh#0000 I got 3 free ships ๐Ÿ˜„ [12-Mar-25 11:31 AM] laaxus#0000 then it's impressive [12-Mar-25 11:37 AM] marat_sh#0000 my graph looks like GDP growth from Victoria 3 ๐Ÿ˜… [12-Mar-25 11:37 AM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1349421146910625862/image.png?ex=6814f4e0&is=6813a360&hm=764f27739b2c230378a4f1a5a21b4273b13047963e2c937fdf4f7a20d36c6137& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [12-Mar-25 11:38 AM] marat_sh#0000 that Beijing annex at the end of November ๐Ÿ˜… [12-Mar-25 11:39 AM] jab.sh#0000 I had some loans in the beginning but none since then, recently I've been giving away building mats for new bases ๐Ÿ˜„ [12-Mar-25 11:39 AM] laaxus#0000 your graphs are so clean [12-Mar-25 11:39 AM] laaxus#0000 mine is so ugly {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1349421669315379310/image.png?ex=6814f55d&is=6813a3dd&hm=59a36b7f4774791f356c10cec7fbcfaba208b08c18d89ce511fcaf3c0d6df01f& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ“ˆ [12-Mar-25 11:40 AM] laaxus#0000 EXPONENTIAL WHERE {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1349421841734701056/58eyvu.png?ex=6814f586&is=6813a406&hm=9449ea6749b1d23270679aa65ace8917616f7cede453e61bb754e853e304472f& [12-Mar-25 11:41 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Thatโ€™s what mine looks like more or less [12-Mar-25 11:52 AM] avalock#0000 Have you considered having cleaner looking growth [12-Mar-25 11:52 AM] avalock#0000 :3 [12-Mar-25 11:53 AM] jab.sh#0000 mine had a giant negative in it randomly, I had to delete it manually [12-Mar-25 11:53 AM] laaxus#0000 IM DOING MY BEST OK [12-Mar-25 11:54 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/crying-sad-emoji-gif-22168442 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/crying-sad-emoji-gif-22168442 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/0C_uACKMUZto6qvps6rRly3jEuBc2HCbbB6NdLTm1C0/https/media.tenor.com/LqndQHGyZJ8AAAAe/crying-sad.png [12-Mar-25 11:54 AM] avalock#0000 :a_cute_evil_smirk_smug_owo_2: [12-Mar-25 12:24 PM] marat_sh#0000 could it be that you hit your permit limit early in the game and now you have linear growth? [12-Mar-25 12:34 PM] sidepipe#0000 mine is also not very clean {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1349435341395722270/image.png?ex=68150218&is=6813b098&hm=623ee1f2647b9c446fb44abfa238329a60fb1b38f2c37466124aeb9dabf7797c& [12-Mar-25 12:40 PM] sidepipe#0000 the successive spikes in FIM, then HER, then DDT have done nice things for my company value ๐Ÿ˜„ [12-Mar-25 12:41 PM] realharvey#0000 pls turn smooth off. :D [12-Mar-25 12:41 PM] realharvey#0000 I like my graphs spikey [12-Mar-25 12:41 PM] sidepipe#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1349437198843515010/image.png?ex=681503d3&is=6813b253&hm=2b84f3f95b76c4d1cb50394e21a46ad2e2121479d4dab1226996e8526ad08dc4& {Reactions} โค๏ธ [12-Mar-25 12:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 spikey enough for you? ๐Ÿ˜† [12-Mar-25 12:43 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm missing a lot of early data ... [12-Mar-25 12:44 PM] marat_sh#0000 permit limit will flatten any graph [12-Mar-25 12:47 PM] realharvey#0000 not really exponential at all. Also no real decline {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1349438548691914832/image.png?ex=68150515&is=6813b395&hm=d08ba8d42ecb8fa8e2441669967b143bad5e91a904a6884bd6256e942aacf8b8& [12-Mar-25 12:47 PM] manhim#0000 Pretty similar. We can all know when we switched to the new RPRUN ๐Ÿ˜‚ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1349438777952702504/image.png?ex=6815054c&is=6813b3cc&hm=e1d518ed3ef2e18e7e70e641057f42fc1d5ff868fa8e8592c52c51b2c499f060& [12-Mar-25 01:31 PM] laaxus#0000 I made a typo [12-Mar-25 01:31 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1349449659181039616/image.png?ex=68150f6e&is=6813bdee&hm=3b393a65da8044ac30c3b2952cfadb4a5260bf2706b18719dd20b8738531298b& [12-Mar-25 01:31 PM] laaxus#0000 I just lost 500k for nothing [12-Mar-25 01:42 PM] jab.sh#0000 I've been at my permit limit for months [12-Mar-25 01:43 PM] laaxus#0000 btw [12-Mar-25 01:43 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1349452803655077898/image.png?ex=6815125c&is=6813c0dc&hm=07126b9cc51b54c15095c3d18c2d99f2e3d6ace538fa782a2b6531dd0f6d00c7& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [12-Mar-25 01:43 PM] laaxus#0000 @Market Alerts [12-Mar-25 01:43 PM] laaxus#0000 GF Bros, time to smelt GL [12-Mar-25 01:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Was this a LFAB? [12-Mar-25 01:46 PM] laaxus#0000 GL [12-Mar-25 01:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ah [12-Mar-25 01:47 PM] jab.sh#0000 hope jcheung wasn't trying to keep that GL ๐Ÿ˜‚ [12-Mar-25 01:49 PM] manhim#0000 Just as I was planning on a GF base [12-Mar-25 01:49 PM] jab.sh#0000 well Laaxus just shot the price up for you [12-Mar-25 01:50 PM] manhim#0000 I was about to delete the plan cause it wasn't that profitable, let's see how the market reacts [12-Mar-25 01:50 PM] jab.sh#0000 now just spend another $250k and wipe it out completely [12-Mar-25 01:50 PM] laaxus#0000 you know what {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [12-Mar-25 01:51 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1349454661509189702/image.png?ex=68151416&is=6813c296&hm=50da735dc2108ee82aece88edc4546698556e17c50291fba70fae6969ca6bfc5& {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (2) [12-Mar-25 01:52 PM] jab.sh#0000 you're free to set your own price now ๐Ÿคฃ [12-Mar-25 01:52 PM] laaxus#0000 It's better than SME imho, just because it requires so little shipping [12-Mar-25 01:52 PM] manhim#0000 Yeah, was looking into shifting away from AL, looks like a good candidate [12-Mar-25 01:53 PM] sobyshka#0000 Ok, so i bought some last year and now will set it for insane price [12-Mar-25 01:53 PM] igfloz#0000 Hey guys, I'm in the market for some GL. Does anyone have............ @laaxus What the hell have you done ??!?!?!? ๐Ÿคฃ [12-Mar-25 01:53 PM] jab.sh#0000 are you on Deimos ๐Ÿ‘€ [12-Mar-25 01:53 PM] manhim#0000 Deimos & Vulcan [12-Mar-25 01:53 PM] jcheung#0000 Well shit i just listed a bunch of gl for a whole lot lower [12-Mar-25 01:53 PM] jab.sh#0000 I need your Deimos base for bfabs [12-Mar-25 01:53 PM] jcheung#0000 If i had waited 4 hrs... {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (3) [12-Mar-25 01:54 PM] manhim#0000 You need AL on Deimos? [12-Mar-25 01:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 don't worry I can fix this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1349455713415594044/image.png?ex=68151511&is=6813c391&hm=a536d6212d74139bdc6f1d8445e2acc5217fd0f317c93bfe8bb0ea5f786e2a44& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) ๐Ÿซก (3) [12-Mar-25 01:55 PM] sobyshka#0000 The hero [12-Mar-25 01:57 PM] jab.sh#0000 yes, DNPC needs a SME base on Deimos. you do have to ship AL to Nike though, but you get ALO/O/C on site (no shipping for those). more info in #bulletin-board ๐Ÿ™‚ [12-Mar-25 01:57 PM] jcheung#0000 You want some rg too @laaxus ? {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [12-Mar-25 01:59 PM] laaxus#0000 I have 2 GF bases producing RG full time, I'm good [12-Mar-25 02:00 PM] manhim#0000 Oh, I already mine my own ALO and O, and have a steady supplier of C. My issue right now is more that AL profits are not that interesting anymore. [12-Mar-25 02:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 i hear now is a pretty good time to pivot to GL. some crazy person just bought out the whole market ๐Ÿ˜› {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (4) [12-Mar-25 02:02 PM] jab.sh#0000 if you supply AL you get paid in BBH/BSE every week. I guess the alternative would be that I could just buy AL from you? would you still be willing to ship to Nike? [12-Mar-25 02:03 PM] jab.sh#0000 at least until I'm able to fill the base properly [12-Mar-25 02:04 PM] manhim#0000 Sure, I can ship AL to Nike without issues. What's your daily needs approx? [12-Mar-25 02:05 PM] jab.sh#0000 282/day, which I know is more than 1 base can do ๐Ÿ˜„ we've been dry on AL for a while though. [12-Mar-25 02:07 PM] jab.sh#0000 actually that's not accurate since we're missing PP2 bases, one sec [12-Mar-25 02:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 looks like it's about 212/day, which is pretty much 1 full base [12-Mar-25 02:09 PM] manhim#0000 So 282+212? [12-Mar-25 02:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 no, just 212 [12-Mar-25 02:11 PM] manhim#0000 Ah ok. Yeah, that's almost exactly 1 base [12-Mar-25 02:12 PM] jab.sh#0000 indeed [12-Mar-25 02:17 PM] manhim#0000 How many BBH/BSE does that translates into? [12-Mar-25 02:17 PM] jab.sh#0000 I think in this arrangement I'd just buy the AL from you at a fixed price [12-Mar-25 02:20 PM] tanda#0000 I need TUB moving forward [12-Mar-25 02:27 PM] manhim#0000 Works for me, what kind of price did you have in mind? [12-Mar-25 02:27 PM] jab.sh#0000 let me run some numbers when I get home [12-Mar-25 02:28 PM] jab.sh#0000 probably something in between the minimum for your base to be profitable and the current market price [12-Mar-25 02:29 PM] manhim#0000 I was thinking of refitting my Vulcan base to GF in two or 3 weeks. I wanted to produce GL and a few other products project-based. [12-Mar-25 02:37 PM] manhim#0000 AL at Buy = Ask 700 is 20k profit / days 800 is 44k profit / days Lately I've been exporting to MOR for more profits. ALO and C prices have been climbing, but the price of AL doesn't seem to be adjusting to this new reality. [12-Mar-25 02:38 PM] jab.sh#0000 you're not buying anything except pop consumables and mats for upkeep right? [12-Mar-25 02:38 PM] jab.sh#0000 what about flx? [12-Mar-25 02:41 PM] manhim#0000 I make ALO, O and FLX. ALO profits: 77k O profits: 215k FLX profits: 18k (I'm actually just producing exactly my usage and nothing more + yuck, LST prices probably changed since I last looked) Selling the materials on the market/planet directly would probably save me money if we consider logistics costs (if I would sell at 700 or less). {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [12-Mar-25 02:42 PM] manhim#0000 O has a high logistics costs though [12-Mar-25 02:43 PM] manhim#0000 800 I feel would be a good price at current market rates, but AL is most likely overproduced. [12-Mar-25 02:44 PM] jab.sh#0000 800 is essentially market price, bleh [12-Mar-25 02:44 PM] jab.sh#0000 I see your pain now ๐Ÿ˜„ [12-Mar-25 02:44 PM] manhim#0000 Yup ! [12-Mar-25 02:45 PM] manhim#0000 Once I refit my Vulcan base I'll sell/deliver my now leftover ALO and O to a newbro for cheaper so they can make more money to get started [12-Mar-25 02:46 PM] manhim#0000 Just not sure when that will happen, I've been busy lately [12-Mar-25 02:46 PM] jab.sh#0000 800 is still worth it if I don't have to do shipping ๐Ÿ˜„ [12-Mar-25 02:47 PM] manhim#0000 I can do 800 if you're willing. It's closer than MOR ๐Ÿ˜„ [12-Mar-25 02:48 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah I'll let you know tonight {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [12-Mar-25 02:55 PM] laaxus#0000 LETS GOOOO {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1349470923194896455/image.png?ex=68147a7c&is=681328fc&hm=79b7524519eb7261c6d72cbfe9ed9e5682060737734c1170fa6a01476952a8dc& [12-Mar-25 02:56 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/tiktok-black-spin-dance-edit-gif-23108171 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/tiktok-black-spin-dance-edit-gif-23108171 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/mhvcWelBhdSqVDHocHyOn-xUNhPTJoRUaBuxvDotapk/https/media.tenor.com/KBA8rzqdEYIAAAAe/tiktok-black-spin-dance-edit.png [12-Mar-25 03:00 PM] igfloz#0000 This is GOOOOD ! [12-Mar-25 03:01 PM] laaxus#0000 Antares is now the cheapest CX for every LFabs and RFabs ๐Ÿ˜Ž {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (3) [12-Mar-25 03:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol I think those are my LBH that I threw up on the CX [12-Mar-25 04:42 PM] jvaler#0000 i gotchu [12-Mar-25 09:00 PM] jab.sh#0000 turns out I'm an idiot and what I thought was a deficit was actually a surplus. we currently make too much AL ๐Ÿ˜… [12-Mar-25 09:24 PM] manhim#0000 Ah, oh well [12-Mar-25 09:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 @evany. Will buy your AL [13-Mar-25 09:07 AM] o.pie#0000 is there anyone on Origo who has a lot of SEA handy? [13-Mar-25 09:07 AM] o.pie#0000 like right now [13-Mar-25 09:08 AM] o.pie#0000 i forgot to bring any to build my base ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ [13-Mar-25 09:08 AM] laaxus#0000 I have 8 sea [13-Mar-25 11:10 AM] jcheung#0000 I have... 16. Wish i had looked here before i sent out my ship this morning ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [13-Mar-25 12:10 PM] o.pie#0000 i'll get it there tomorrow then [13-Mar-25 12:31 PM] tanda#0000 Yeah, you just missed me this morning as well [13-Mar-25 01:52 PM] pagy1234#0000 blehhh [13-Mar-25 01:53 PM] pagy1234#0000 I took some risks and ended up buring a bunch of cash [13-Mar-25 01:53 PM] pagy1234#0000 just 200k but thats basically a whole day or income [13-Mar-25 01:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Whoops [13-Mar-25 01:53 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah [13-Mar-25 01:54 PM] pagy1234#0000 I could sell at a loss and just reclaim some of it, but for now il just wait [13-Mar-25 01:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah just wait [13-Mar-25 01:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It will probably be fineโ€ฆ [13-Mar-25 01:54 PM] pagy1234#0000 eventually my PT.CI1 will be sold [13-Mar-25 01:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Exactly [13-Mar-25 01:55 PM] pagy1234#0000 it was gonna be fine, then this "Wisely2" guy dumped a huge amount onto market [13-Mar-25 01:55 PM] pagy1234#0000 now il have to wait a bunch [13-Mar-25 01:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ah [13-Mar-25 01:57 PM] pagy1234#0000 according to the leaderboards, they dont even produce PT lol [13-Mar-25 02:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 They probably bought a bunch cheep somewhere to sell there [13-Mar-25 04:37 PM] tanda#0000 It was real cheap a while back [13-Mar-25 07:22 PM] jcheung#0000 holy fuck it's 1.5k+ for PT up in BEN? [13-Mar-25 07:22 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm tempted to ship a ton of it up from ANT ๐Ÿ˜‚ [13-Mar-25 07:23 PM] jcheung#0000 if only i actually had the finances and open shipping to do such things though [13-Mar-25 07:23 PM] jcheung#0000 wild {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1349900784577286174/image.png?ex=6814b952&is=681367d2&hm=57fe3eb50f4e399623a817af81c2095d6ef5abb127f9ebc3f87d859d30d0c469& [13-Mar-25 07:28 PM] tanda#0000 Yeah this is the kind of risk that really doesn't pay off. I'm going to guess that you bought out what little of the market was left at lower price points? [13-Mar-25 07:29 PM] jcheung#0000 if so i think you pushed it too far [13-Mar-25 07:30 PM] tanda#0000 One of the things that happens when prices spike this much is that people stop buying. So people kick up their own production or import [13-Mar-25 07:30 PM] tanda#0000 nobody is going to pay more than triple for the same good [13-Mar-25 07:30 PM] jcheung#0000 ~800 is reasonable... ish and won't get too many people to push for importing [13-Mar-25 07:30 PM] jcheung#0000 1500 is like a guarentee that you only get desperate people [13-Mar-25 07:31 PM] tanda#0000 1500 is predatory, honestly [13-Mar-25 07:31 PM] tanda#0000 only brand new players can't circumvent that price [13-Mar-25 07:31 PM] jcheung#0000 ^desperate people [13-Mar-25 08:50 PM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah, about 49 at 1000 and 100 and 1500. [13-Mar-25 09:08 PM] jcheung#0000 can relist at 1400 and still pull a profit [13-Mar-25 09:29 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, but I already relisted so many times that I have to pay like 10k to relist again lol [13-Mar-25 09:32 PM] tanda#0000 let it sit for 24 hours, then move it [13-Mar-25 09:40 PM] pagy1234#0000 I can go as low as 1270 and barely break even, since some of mine got bought alr [13-Mar-25 09:41 PM] tanda#0000 that's the move I would pull, honestly [13-Mar-25 09:41 PM] tanda#0000 get it cleared out before the imports hit. You have roughly 18 hours [13-Mar-25 09:42 PM] tanda#0000 because ngl, my first reaction was to look at other CXs to see where I needed to move goods from [13-Mar-25 09:42 PM] jab.sh#0000 what's in 18h? [13-Mar-25 09:42 PM] tanda#0000 I just know I'm not smarter than the average margin trader [13-Mar-25 09:42 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, fair enough [13-Mar-25 09:43 PM] tanda#0000 it's already been 6 hours, and it takes 24 hours to move goods between CXs [13-Mar-25 09:43 PM] jab.sh#0000 aah [13-Mar-25 09:45 PM] pagy1234#0000 I bought into this market over 24h ago, I think that wisely2 guy was the first import to arrive [13-Mar-25 09:46 PM] tanda#0000 Quite possible, but there's always more to come [13-Mar-25 09:46 PM] tanda#0000 BEN's not as organized as ANT is, but there's got to be people spinning up production and imports to help cover the shortage [13-Mar-25 09:46 PM] tanda#0000 (because it looks like the market simply ran... out? WTH) [13-Mar-25 09:47 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, according to the graph in prunplanner it just slowly goes into deficit and the last few sell orders just disappear [13-Mar-25 09:48 PM] pagy1234#0000 I guess no one took a good look at the order book for a while [13-Mar-25 09:48 PM] tanda#0000 or it was just so low that nobody really looked at it as profitable. I don't think it's amazing even now for ANT [13-Mar-25 09:49 PM] tanda#0000 but it's just really weird to me: BEN has cheap FE due to the ore concentrations up there [13-Mar-25 09:51 PM] pagy1234#0000 its barely profitable tho, could just sell the STL for 1900, instead of making a whole new base to sell 5xPT for 2500 [13-Mar-25 09:52 PM] tanda#0000 even the STL+TRN recipe is only 4.3k AIC per production line [13-Mar-25 09:56 PM] pagy1234#0000 hmm [13-Mar-25 09:56 PM] pagy1234#0000 its not great [13-Mar-25 10:01 PM] getonthetrain#0000 finally, some action [13-Mar-25 10:37 PM] tanda#0000 https://tenor.com/view/wontbuylifeinsurancebutwillaskfora-go-fund-me-butwillsell-fishand-bb-qplates-gif-26493896 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/wontbuylifeinsurancebutwillaskfora-go-fund-me-butwillsell-fishand-bb-qplates-gif-26493896 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/_G91cQSG5zGo1LqDQ_4n1cW5STIxVjD7cEq5_rsNPhM/https/media.tenor.com/cvBfRQ5jlesAAAAe/wontbuylifeinsurancebutwillaskfora-go-fund-me-butwillsell-fishand-bb-qplates.png [14-Mar-25 11:05 AM] taiyibureau#0000 That glass really shatters your budget! ๐Ÿซ  {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350137815190474762/image.png?ex=6814ed53&is=68139bd3&hm=5d82b54d51124b78e58ec8ee276a5e7bef31297d80d4d75ea93e6f3b70a48daa& [14-Mar-25 11:07 AM] sidepipe#0000 Wow, this is _clearly_ price gouging ๐Ÿ˜ [14-Mar-25 11:11 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Ah, forgot about that... now it makes sense, why my PP base is unprofitable... ๐Ÿ˜… [14-Mar-25 11:13 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I just put all the things I need to do (for PrUn) into a todo app. Before, I felt like I'm falling behind... now, I _know_, that I'm falling behind... {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [14-Mar-25 11:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I have 2 bases, which both need a WCB full time just for themselves ๐Ÿซ  [14-Mar-25 12:26 PM] realharvey#0000 This is why I ended up with a lot of ships ๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ˜‚ [14-Mar-25 12:42 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Yeah - collecting cash atm [14-Mar-25 01:01 PM] pagy1234#0000 I need some advice, I will be making a new FP base on SE-110a, to make DW. because of that, I will probably be changing my old FP base away from RAT and DW, and towards FIM, but, even with harmonia and phobos as farms, I cant make enough HER to supply full base of FIM production. To use less HER, I plan to use some FIM, and FIM FP time to make MEA on the side, but according to Prunplanner making an IVP or two to make the MTP is bad, but the market for MTP is extremely spotty and I dont know what its gonna do because of lack of sales. Should I simply buy the missing HER and forget about MEA completely, or should I just go with buying the MTP because of very slight profit advantage over FIM? [14-Mar-25 01:03 PM] laaxus#0000 Ok, let me say something [14-Mar-25 01:03 PM] laaxus#0000 ** YOU DONT HAVE TO PRODUCE EVERYTHING YOURSELF ** [14-Mar-25 01:03 PM] manhim#0000 At this point it's mainly about risk management and your risk tolerance. [14-Mar-25 01:03 PM] laaxus#0000 ** IT'S NOT BAD TO BUY FROM THE CX** [14-Mar-25 01:03 PM] pagy1234#0000 Ok ok fine๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ [14-Mar-25 01:03 PM] laaxus#0000 wait, you didn't get my point [14-Mar-25 01:04 PM] pagy1234#0000 I mean, i kinda followed that already and abandoned RAT completely [14-Mar-25 01:05 PM] pagy1234#0000 My origionall idea was to keep some RAT production on the side instead of MEA [14-Mar-25 01:05 PM] laaxus#0000 the point I was trying to make, is that the only difference from buying from the CX and producing yourself is the stability / consistency If your plan only works if you produce everything yourself, it's a bad plan 95% of the time [14-Mar-25 01:05 PM] laaxus#0000 that was the general answer [14-Mar-25 01:05 PM] laaxus#0000 now, a more specific answer [14-Mar-25 01:06 PM] laaxus#0000 you could either do a mix of fim, rat mea dw anything tbh [14-Mar-25 01:06 PM] laaxus#0000 you could do another HER base on demeter [14-Mar-25 01:06 PM] laaxus#0000 you could buy the HER on the CX [14-Mar-25 01:06 PM] laaxus#0000 many options [14-Mar-25 01:06 PM] laaxus#0000 all have their pro and cons [14-Mar-25 01:06 PM] laaxus#0000 I personally have a harmonia + demeter HER base and is doing full fim production on norwick [14-Mar-25 01:07 PM] pagy1234#0000 Wth [14-Mar-25 01:07 PM] pagy1234#0000 Is demeter just that much better? [14-Mar-25 01:07 PM] pagy1234#0000 Ah ok [14-Mar-25 01:07 PM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah phobos lacks a little because of no CoGC but wtv [14-Mar-25 01:08 PM] pagy1234#0000 Il buy then [14-Mar-25 01:08 PM] pagy1234#0000 Easy fix [14-Mar-25 01:08 PM] laaxus#0000 you can look on prunplanner at any time to see if buying HER from the cx is worth it ๐Ÿ˜„ [14-Mar-25 01:09 PM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah i have my FP base and my modified farms all open on my prunplanner rn, [14-Mar-25 01:09 PM] pagy1234#0000 Tbh HER farms have massive profit alone suprisingly [14-Mar-25 01:09 PM] manhim#0000 I usually start by producing the end-product I want to sell first, then I study my inputs and only start producing them if it's more profitable than the end-product. [14-Mar-25 01:10 PM] laaxus#0000 The only (and I mean ***ONLY***) thing that matter is roi {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [14-Mar-25 01:10 PM] pagy1234#0000 7d [14-Mar-25 01:10 PM] laaxus#0000 doing vertical integration allows you to sell to yourself at ask price [14-Mar-25 01:10 PM] laaxus#0000 which is nice, but not *necessary* [14-Mar-25 01:13 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeahh [14-Mar-25 01:14 PM] pagy1234#0000 so vertical integration just averages out ROIs basically [14-Mar-25 01:14 PM] pagy1234#0000 ? [14-Mar-25 01:14 PM] manhim#0000 At least until your permits start costing a lot of money [14-Mar-25 01:14 PM] laaxus#0000 permit cost must be included in the roi [14-Mar-25 01:14 PM] laaxus#0000 as well as shipping (aka % of a ship) [14-Mar-25 01:14 PM] pagy1234#0000 how do you calculate shipping cost? [14-Mar-25 01:15 PM] manhim#0000 Make sure that always independently calculate your profits/returns for each types of production that you do [14-Mar-25 01:15 PM] manhim#0000 I like to think of each of my bases as different "ventures" of the same conglomerate [14-Mar-25 01:15 PM] laaxus#0000 if you need a wcb to do a round trip every 10 day to supply it, and it takes 2 x 24h for the round trip, then you should add 2/10 of a WCB to the cost of the base [14-Mar-25 01:15 PM] manhim#0000 If a base becomes unprofitable, I just shut it down / restructure [14-Mar-25 01:15 PM] pagy1234#0000 I stoppes using the buy/sell things in prunplanner exactly because 1000 people told me to do that [14-Mar-25 01:16 PM] pagy1234#0000 ahh, ok I see [14-Mar-25 01:16 PM] jab.sh#0000 enjoying the game matters a lot ๐Ÿ˜† [14-Mar-25 01:16 PM] laaxus#0000 true true [14-Mar-25 01:16 PM] laaxus#0000 I meant the only thing that matters in terms of optimizing capital growth [14-Mar-25 01:17 PM] laaxus#0000 but yes, fun is king [14-Mar-25 01:17 PM] jab.sh#0000 if you're having fun who cares if it's inefficient, assuming you won't bankrupt yourself [14-Mar-25 01:17 PM] laaxus#0000 zapitsu is living its best life extracting water [14-Mar-25 01:17 PM] pagy1234#0000 in my case Il probably get an STL ship for SE-110c <-> SE-110a cuz otherwise i might aswell add a whole WCB cost to the base [14-Mar-25 01:17 PM] manhim#0000 unless bankrupting yourself is how you have fun ๐Ÿ˜„ [14-Mar-25 01:17 PM] laaxus#0000 I do not like STL [14-Mar-25 01:18 PM] laaxus#0000 Because you might want change your plan in the future [14-Mar-25 01:18 PM] laaxus#0000 but then the STL becomes useless [14-Mar-25 01:18 PM] laaxus#0000 might as well just use a WCB/LCB that will always be usefull [14-Mar-25 01:18 PM] pagy1234#0000 If I dissasemble a ship do i get some parts back? [14-Mar-25 01:18 PM] laaxus#0000 you can't disassemble a ship [14-Mar-25 01:18 PM] laaxus#0000 a STL is stuck inside the system it is build in [14-Mar-25 01:18 PM] pagy1234#0000 I can afford 700k, not really 5 mil tho.. [14-Mar-25 01:18 PM] pagy1234#0000 damn, I see [14-Mar-25 01:19 PM] jab.sh#0000 too bad you can't strap a STL ship on the back of a FTL ship or something ๐Ÿ˜‚ [14-Mar-25 01:19 PM] laaxus#0000 If you plan long in advance, you can get a WCB/LCB for 3M at highlander shipbuilding [14-Mar-25 01:20 PM] laaxus#0000 (waiting time is 4-6 months roughly) [14-Mar-25 01:20 PM] sidepipe#0000 I think you could upgrade it to an FTL ship if you _really_ need to leave the system [14-Mar-25 01:20 PM] laaxus#0000 true true [14-Mar-25 01:20 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah that's true [14-Mar-25 01:20 PM] laaxus#0000 but the upgrade kit will be expensive as not standard [14-Mar-25 01:20 PM] sidepipe#0000 Not the most capital efficient, but itโ€™s not like the ship would be a total loss [14-Mar-25 01:20 PM] pagy1234#0000 4 -6 months is absolute insanity [14-Mar-25 01:20 PM] laaxus#0000 not at all [14-Mar-25 01:21 PM] laaxus#0000 I knew 6 month ago that I was going to grow and need a ship [14-Mar-25 01:21 PM] sidepipe#0000 If only you were in a corp thatโ€™s heavily involved in shipbuildingโ€ฆ ๐Ÿ˜„ [14-Mar-25 01:21 PM] laaxus#0000 might as well have it 50% cheaper [14-Mar-25 01:21 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah lol, thats why im supprised [14-Mar-25 01:21 PM] laaxus#0000 what's OOG internal prices for new ship ? [14-Mar-25 01:22 PM] sidepipe#0000 Super secret (idk off the top of my head) [14-Mar-25 01:22 PM] sidepipe#0000 But we might also have super special internal 0% financing available [14-Mar-25 01:23 PM] pagy1234#0000 I cant afford the repayment rate tho D: [14-Mar-25 01:23 PM] pagy1234#0000 actually [14-Mar-25 01:23 PM] pagy1234#0000 I might do a smaller loan for my new base [14-Mar-25 01:23 PM] sidepipe#0000 You definitely can if I make the term of the loan long enough ๐Ÿ˜Ž [14-Mar-25 01:24 PM] pagy1234#0000 im not in the mood to wait a week or two for cash when i could have the base now [14-Mar-25 01:24 PM] laaxus#0000 if you don't do profit including the loan repayment for the ship required, then your plan is bad and not profitable ๐Ÿ˜„ [14-Mar-25 01:24 PM] laaxus#0000 and anyway, there's many people with 20 bases supplied with only 2 ships [14-Mar-25 01:25 PM] laaxus#0000 new ship is not a requirement [14-Mar-25 01:25 PM] laaxus#0000 I had my 3rd ship at like base 10-15 I think ? {Reactions} โ€ผ๏ธ [14-Mar-25 01:25 PM] pagy1234#0000 they must not be touching water then since thats what one of my ships is always on duty for lol [14-Mar-25 01:26 PM] laaxus#0000 Nah, I never did water, yes it's profitable, but I like my bases to be supplied ๐Ÿ˜„ [14-Mar-25 01:26 PM] manhim#0000 What you don't pay in input materials, you pay in logistics [14-Mar-25 01:27 PM] laaxus#0000 I wished Phobos could be a Food production planet, and Norwick the electronics planet [14-Mar-25 01:27 PM] laaxus#0000 IDC don't need frequent shipping ... [14-Mar-25 01:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, farming has the unfortunate combination of high shipping volume and low margins (until you start getting into FIM etc) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ข [14-Mar-25 01:30 PM] sidepipe#0000 Thatโ€™s why Iโ€™ve got 10 ships [14-Mar-25 01:30 PM] sidepipe#0000 But early on I expanded more into chem and such when I couldnโ€™t afford more ships [14-Mar-25 01:36 PM] marat_sh#0000 The way I see it if I should make an item myself vs buying it is how much the base of that item profits (if itโ€™s more than 70k profit per day I should probably make that item and sell what have left to CX) if itโ€™s lower I am just buying it [14-Mar-25 01:36 PM] sidepipe#0000 Thatโ€™s a good way to look at it. In-house the profitable stuff and outsource the cheap stuff ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† ๐Ÿ’ฏ [14-Mar-25 01:37 PM] manhim#0000 It's a way to make profits that hits close to home and is part of your expertise. That way you don't end up having to keep up with many more markets [14-Mar-25 01:38 PM] marat_sh#0000 Benefits of doing chem only I donโ€™t have to worry about a lot of stuff [14-Mar-25 01:40 PM] marat_sh#0000 TCL is at 2700/u (it was around 3800/u when I started) ๐Ÿ˜… [14-Mar-25 01:40 PM] marat_sh#0000 KV is also down from 30s [14-Mar-25 02:59 PM] jvaler#0000 morian terrorists at it again ๐Ÿคฌ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350196595123163137/image.png?ex=68147b51&is=681329d1&hm=a64aec3f4749f7c1bb0fabb777621e18ff6fcbf6d73ce23fb70338bc0d380b9e& [14-Mar-25 04:38 PM] evov#0000 Did someone say something about Morian's messing with our CX? I might be able to help out with that. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350221678583611402/image.png?ex=681492ae&is=6813412e&hm=8cc9ea74fb28ea652c6a3a7ddeedb3c7845882342770ab72b27d1fdc9e101952& [14-Mar-25 04:42 PM] jcheung#0000 _imagines evov with zipatsu's water tosing, except with glass... and more blood_ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜„ [14-Mar-25 04:51 PM] evov#0000 It's just a thing that was being made in the background and I never really paid much attention to it. Just let that base keep ticking over. [14-Mar-25 05:01 PM] jvaler#0000 same way i got the 2300 i put up. my ZV-194 CAAP base had overflow that i got to keep, but it was only like 18/d lol [15-Mar-25 01:23 AM] vanarazor#0000 @evany. hello, are you selling LCBs as well ? if yes how much would it cost for 1 ? [15-Mar-25 01:26 AM] .urpalhal#0000 PSK doesnโ€™t do LCBs [15-Mar-25 01:26 AM] .urpalhal#0000 @evov and @archielvahr sell LCB ships tho [15-Mar-25 01:32 AM] vanarazor#0000 oK I found LCB prices from EvoV on UFO = > 6.2M [15-Mar-25 01:34 AM] .urpalhal#0000 The ones from Archiel are OOG premium ships [15-Mar-25 01:35 AM] .urpalhal#0000 5.95 mil [15-Mar-25 03:21 AM] evov#0000 Are they really "premium" if they've only got a medium sized FTL fuel tank though? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ (2) ๐Ÿ˜† [15-Mar-25 03:34 AM] vanarazor#0000 I can't afford any of them yet anyway and I would need 2 of them to ship O daily, so let's simply reschedule this discussion in a few weeks, probably months xD [15-Mar-25 03:35 AM] evov#0000 Keep saving and get a 5k5k for a bit less than double the price ๐Ÿ™‚ [15-Mar-25 03:36 AM] vanarazor#0000 jeez tha's an idea!!!! o7 [15-Mar-25 03:43 AM] jcheung#0000 that's actually a really good point [15-Mar-25 03:43 AM] jcheung#0000 a HCB is worth it [15-Mar-25 03:44 AM] jcheung#0000 you'll want at least 2 STOs [15-Mar-25 03:49 AM] vanarazor#0000 even with 3STO and a HCB i will need to do it daily 5k O [15-Mar-25 03:49 AM] vanarazor#0000 I can't imagine on RV-854d [15-Mar-25 03:50 AM] laaxus#0000 Demand for O is pretty inelastic tho [15-Mar-25 03:50 AM] laaxus#0000 be carefull [15-Mar-25 03:50 AM] vanarazor#0000 what's the go with theses crazy % so far away from the human bubble [15-Mar-25 03:50 AM] laaxus#0000 O price could get twice lower, won't mean that demand would get twice higher [15-Mar-25 03:52 AM] vanarazor#0000 someone is already trying to get the price down {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350391271465685092/image.png?ex=681487e0&is=68133660&hm=bae7ce0ab9399c87fa5a902f9118aa218d6fb03427eb9ab6bd0edec21608f600& [15-Mar-25 03:53 AM] vanarazor#0000 or that's just a correction : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350391410100015134/image.png?ex=68148801&is=68133681&hm=09f6c93f854d14e297b44c73d5afa19ff59178821a8261024f531ecc916422e0& [15-Mar-25 03:54 AM] vanarazor#0000 some of these hoarders could definitely help to make the price go down but I suspect they are trying to starve the market [15-Mar-25 03:57 AM] vanarazor#0000 Heavy metallurgists must have been tanking theses past few month , or their clients: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350392372390793228/image.png?ex=681488e6&is=68133766&hm=68cd43d37e940e2faf8c4c1f2b1e60cc455243aedbe92a666d7e84b7ba955a31& [15-Mar-25 04:00 AM] vanarazor#0000 the price of O seems to correlate with a lot of it's products, I don't think demand will get lower probably what happened is some old player left the game and was not supplying O anymore, the market spiked and few people started producing.. I am probably already late to the party, but thanks I ll be careful [15-Mar-25 04:29 AM] zillatron#0000 iirc Iโ€™m somewhere in the top 20 producers, Iโ€™m not hoarding I just use heaps ๐Ÿ˜… {Reactions} โค๏ธ [15-Mar-25 04:30 AM] zillatron#0000 I think youโ€™ll probably find thatโ€™s a fairly common situation [15-Mar-25 12:10 PM] evany.#0000 we are really close to complete WCB's, but i don't forsee us going down LCB path in the short term I can personally recommend Evo though as others mentioned hes been great to work with! {Reactions} โค๏ธ [15-Mar-25 01:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 idk where we were talking about this earlier but [15-Mar-25 01:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 my graph is pretty janky actually [15-Mar-25 01:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350539642998362222/image.png?ex=6815120e&is=6813c08e&hm=0ca6cb22f8e5d5e06ac583b91f6335a70d41db031768053a5ad48a0fa87443ac& [15-Mar-25 01:42 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350539757725290660/image.png?ex=6815122a&is=6813c0aa&hm=ba5cc96cf92ceeecc550cd021df9bf43fe7f3411fa29dea8a426413aa7fd7355& [15-Mar-25 01:42 PM] tanda#0000 right there with you [15-Mar-25 01:46 PM] pagy1234#0000 a little wobbly :D {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350540593196961862/Screenshot_2025-03-16_at_2.46.00_AM.png?ex=681512f1&is=6813c171&hm=f9e23e9ed045878ebac2473ffc1a842784748af917215b1fa64329edb9077f7a& [15-Mar-25 02:26 PM] potaterror#0000 Haven't played around with blueprints a ton since HCBs dropped, what's the go-to build for them anyway? [15-Mar-25 02:27 PM] igfloz#0000 I think @evov had something put together. I can't remember if he posted the build anywhere [15-Mar-25 02:29 PM] potaterror#0000 Also, keeping with the trend, they call me Astroglide 'cause I'm the smoothest thing in the stars: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350551499733860352/Capture.PNG?ex=68147459&is=681322d9&hm=c9ae27401f731ec9575436844aa21434e9bc69aa2c73a57b65cd35b61019be21& [15-Mar-25 02:30 PM] igfloz#0000 Here's my mess, just to join in {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350551836775551016/image.png?ex=681474a9&is=68132329&hm=abc80bdd3baa772cedfbc023b9b7764d8b98cc17cb8320265b4512cbb6adafc5& [15-Mar-25 02:35 PM] jcheung#0000 I think you can just slot it in place of a LCB for the most part? [15-Mar-25 02:36 PM] jcheung#0000 Just gotta make sure your gas tanks are big enough though [15-Mar-25 03:53 PM] akyantor#0000 My shield build for HCB (run ftl at 20-30% level to make it fuel efficient, and reduce damage). {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350572728285008013/image.png?ex=6814881e&is=6813369e&hm=c866cd659b968aa8f7b952c463ccbf40d0f9622c665326e5ebfa3c9f46dcc1f4& [15-Mar-25 03:59 PM] tanda#0000 You ship nuts and your way overbuilt ships, lol [15-Mar-25 04:01 PM] akyantor#0000 No repairs required (ship built 120 days ago): {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350574540756877333/image.png?ex=681489ce&is=6813384e&hm=0036c07077c4f102bdddbdcbb7dfb0bfcbea871733c63c239cb7b0fb64ed2cfc& [15-Mar-25 04:01 PM] laaxus#0000 repair is a rounding error anyway {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [15-Mar-25 04:02 PM] akyantor#0000 It's not a cost saving, it's a convenience... don't need to spend time thinking about repairs ๐Ÿ™‚ [15-Mar-25 04:02 PM] akyantor#0000 I make my own AHP, SRP, APT, AWH.. so not that much hassle. [15-Mar-25 04:14 PM] potaterror#0000 What's the repair bill on that at 80%, anyway? [15-Mar-25 04:17 PM] akyantor#0000 Don't know... will take about 200 days to find out. ๐Ÿ˜› [15-Mar-25 04:28 PM] vanarazor#0000 uh uh [15-Mar-25 04:29 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350581766838288477/image.png?ex=68149089&is=68133f09&hm=3b2c333088c59a53d29ded5668e145094011d44bb2faae72ff791d4ae618eee9& [15-Mar-25 04:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Very nice [15-Mar-25 04:41 PM] vanarazor#0000 is it ? I thought the smoothest the better? [15-Mar-25 04:43 PM] laaxus#0000 it's quite smooth [15-Mar-25 04:43 PM] laaxus#0000 you just don't realise it yet [15-Mar-25 04:43 PM] vanarazor#0000 xD [15-Mar-25 04:43 PM] laaxus#0000 i'm not joking [15-Mar-25 04:44 PM] laaxus#0000 ours graph are between 20 and 300 M [15-Mar-25 04:44 PM] laaxus#0000 yours between 28 and 32M {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [15-Mar-25 04:44 PM] laaxus#0000 you're growing, it's all that matters {Reactions} โค๏ธ [15-Mar-25 04:49 PM] vanarazor#0000 talking about growing I'm thinking about dropping a base today, the cheapest is the one I can drop estimated profit 50k/day ROI 20d but i think it's misleading because it will also reduce my expenses [15-Mar-25 04:52 PM] igfloz#0000 Throw a Prunplan in https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1192951755462410271 [15-Mar-25 05:08 PM] jcheung#0000 That's about what i want in the long run [15-Mar-25 06:02 PM] evov#0000 My experience has been that fuel costs usually far far exceed repair costs. So it makes sense to optimize for fuel usage. Which means keeping the weight of the ship down. It's also the case that... while the gucci ships require repairs a lot less often... when they do need repairs it's a hell of a lot more expensive if you're not making your own specialized parts. I know lowstrife has been trying to make an effort to have those parts more available on the CX via consistent buy orders, but they may not always be available. [15-Mar-25 06:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 fwiw, I'm getting close to needing repairs on this ship and it's been 182 days {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350606290937708576/image.png?ex=6814a760&is=681355e0&hm=56dd34fab2e4cdbad483d6c581ffcfecf0fd1abb38d048ce20a1bf7c2358e65f& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350606291437097062/image.png?ex=6814a760&is=681355e0&hm=f5dc3c3ef0fc06fdfd31ff90fa50f4a6db7c6412c35f2401033373e2396a1c14& [15-Mar-25 06:14 PM] evov#0000 So that's a repair cost of about 400k. And not all of the parts are available on the ANT CX at the moment. {Reactions} ๐Ÿซจ (2) [15-Mar-25 06:15 PM] sidepipe#0000 yeah, I don't recommend it if you don't have someone who can make the parts for you [15-Mar-25 06:18 PM] evov#0000 Compared to a basic ship (the 2k2k ones I use/sell)- about 60k to repair at 80% [15-Mar-25 06:18 PM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350609214627774555/image.png?ex=6814aa19&is=68135899&hm=df4ab44eee7dd00daafe21b283b30ef351e47ed9ad593f2857f617415850d984& [15-Mar-25 06:20 PM] sidepipe#0000 i originally put together that ship as a flex, but it has been really nice not to worry about repairs [15-Mar-25 06:20 PM] sidepipe#0000 i don't have a good estimate for how often the typical LCB ship needs repairs, but I assume it's not often enough to make the tricked out ships a good financial investment [15-Mar-25 06:21 PM] sidepipe#0000 but neither is a sports car ๐Ÿ˜› [15-Mar-25 06:21 PM] evov#0000 I keep a stack of repair materials at one of my high volume transport planets ( On that produces oxygen ) - whenever anything gets close to 80%, it goes there to pick up a load of O and repair. [15-Mar-25 06:22 PM] evov#0000 Out of curitosity... what'st he Operating empty mass of the gucci ship? [15-Mar-25 06:22 PM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350610093946703984/image.png?ex=6814aaeb&is=6813596b&hm=fe4bb67ee1a74164154ce45c9b5299898ad32f55fe3ed12a0dd01eeeadca56d8& [15-Mar-25 06:23 PM] sidepipe#0000 here {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350610315460743170/image.png?ex=6814ab20&is=681359a0&hm=79bdb6515a875ee4a30a1282ce5332c80894e949278e32344338aa5a65e75db7& [15-Mar-25 06:23 PM] evov#0000 Nearly double the weight? [15-Mar-25 06:24 PM] sidepipe#0000 yup [15-Mar-25 06:25 PM] evov#0000 Yea, the fuel usage difference + high repair costs. ... I think I'll stick with my mass produced basic ships ๐Ÿ™‚ [15-Mar-25 06:26 PM] evov#0000 Fuel usage > > > Repair costs imo. [15-Mar-25 06:27 PM] sidepipe#0000 the main advantage of the HYR (if I understand it correctly) is that you can go somewhere at the same speed for lower reactor utilization, which (i believe?) lowers damage to the ship [15-Mar-25 06:27 PM] sidepipe#0000 but again, I didn't buy the gucci ship for practicality. even my HCB ship is a barebones ship with LHP [15-Mar-25 06:28 PM] sidepipe#0000 and I usually crank the reactor utilization up anyway because it shortens the trip out to Nyx by a day or so [15-Mar-25 06:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 i didn't look super deep into any of those things, just took the first excuse to buy a fancy ship ๐Ÿ˜„ [15-Mar-25 06:32 PM] o.pie#0000 for 2M AIC, you reduce damage by 90%. But then you have to buy like 5x the cost of repair materials in AIC when you do repair {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350612735901044867/image.png?ex=6814ad61&is=68135be1&hm=19b03d4ed30f103d35abbec3ba30d11152117686ddf447664e3be454900fce6d& [15-Mar-25 06:32 PM] evov#0000 For me, when I was comparing the FTL Engines (QCR/HPR/HYP) I found very few use cases where the HPR/HYP were better. The longest flights I regularly do would be ANT -> MOR. Making the trip in 2days, vs 1day 12 hours makes no difference if I'm not online at the time when it arrives. In order to reach the next "availability break point" - I'd need to dial up the reactors... and it would 4x the fuel cost for the flight. [15-Mar-25 06:35 PM] sidepipe#0000 I'm usually online around 9AM and 9PM most days, so the 12 hour reduction worked out well for me ๐Ÿ˜„ [15-Mar-25 06:36 PM] evov#0000 Or if you're regularly doing flights that would be >2days .. I think the HPR/HYP starts to make more sense imo [15-Mar-25 06:37 PM] sidepipe#0000 yeah - i do, but it's definitely not a common thing (i hope) [15-Mar-25 06:37 PM] evov#0000 But again, the cost difference is like, +30% of a new ship. So need to think about fuel costs vs capital costs. [15-Mar-25 06:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 I'd love to see some of these parts get cheaper / more available on the CX - I think it'd make the cost/benefit calculations a bit more interesting [15-Mar-25 06:43 PM] sidepipe#0000 I wanna try making some, but I'm afraid to look at the production graphs for them ๐Ÿ˜„ [15-Mar-25 06:54 PM] evov#0000 I don't make the gucci stuff because.... 1. I prefer to sell stuff that I actually use myself. 2. Doesn't feel like there's enough demand for them ( largely they feel like status symbols for rich people rather than good economic choices for tthe majority ) But I am a slave to supply/demand. So if enough people want them and are willing to pay well for them, I'll find a way to produce the stuff. [15-Mar-25 06:55 PM] tanda#0000 I think you're right. I have a use case for AWH, but Akyan kinda has that market locked down [15-Mar-25 06:56 PM] evov#0000 For the non-gucci stuff . . . I don't see any risk of supply shortages anytime soon. [15-Mar-25 06:58 PM] sidepipe#0000 my core business is pretty vertically integrated farming, which is profitable enough for me. but it also gets boring, so I like to experiment in different markets [15-Mar-25 07:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 so maybe I'll try making some of the advanced shipbuilding parts. worst case, I'll use them up evenutally ๐Ÿ˜„ [15-Mar-25 08:09 PM] finestone#0000 5th ship up and runnning woohoo! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350636942391250985/image.png?ex=6814c3ec&is=6813726c&hm=a1e14f723914563ba3e10731ad862b15a2d77c4903a3c7b927c2b9ddc11a86cb& {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (4) ๐Ÿš€ (2) โค๏ธ (2) [16-Mar-25 12:27 AM] archielvahr#0000 One small non obvious benefit is that ftl damage is proportional to reactor usage. So you can run it even lower and I find it usually cuts the damage in half at the same duration. [16-Mar-25 12:27 AM] jcheung#0000 go too low and it doesn't matter [16-Mar-25 12:28 AM] evov#0000 Yea, I often found at very low reactor usage, there was virtually no difference in speed between the engines. The main benefit of the gucci ones was being able to turn the dial up to 12 when needed to get somewhere fast. [16-Mar-25 03:55 AM] akyantor#0000 I'm not making quite as much AWH as I used too.. now make balanced quantities of AWH/AHP/SRP/APT. And yes, the market isn't super liquid, but there are more folks dipping in than they used too. My objective is to at least try to provide some availability via the CX, as there's almost none at the moment. [16-Mar-25 04:04 AM] akyantor#0000 And for what it's worth I think Lowstrife is actually upgrading his ships to all have shields. Not just making a market. They're making their own APT, but frequently buying up block chunks of the other goods to fully kit out ships. [16-Mar-25 10:28 AM] laaxus#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1202440660246986782/1348771158140649532 {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [16-Mar-25 10:29 AM] laaxus#0000 WCB for 3M, with possibly low waiting time [16-Mar-25 10:29 AM] laaxus#0000 I wouldn't miss on it [16-Mar-25 10:39 AM] laaxus#0000 current waiting time is 3 weeks [16-Mar-25 10:40 AM] laaxus#0000 unbeatable offer if you ask me ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-Mar-25 12:45 PM] tanda#0000 @Market Alerts {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350887666467602517/image.png?ex=681504ad&is=6813b32d&hm=847607984ca19141cd4d2b71eba7e1dbbe66cd2c4adc214582625ef37c4d4ae3& [16-Mar-25 12:45 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350887758800879709/image.png?ex=681504c3&is=6813b343&hm=2f4b89bde8bb7754add14ce87d54a5b355021353ff1660ab81b0dd8227dc7923& [16-Mar-25 12:46 PM] tanda#0000 how BEN is entirely empty is beyond me, but SSC is looking pretty profitable [16-Mar-25 12:47 PM] archielvahr#0000 Huh. SSC is pretty easy to make in large quantities. [16-Mar-25 12:47 PM] archielvahr#0000 I got 870 coming in from Hekaton [16-Mar-25 12:48 PM] jab.sh#0000 even LCB for 3.5M is a great deal [16-Mar-25 12:48 PM] laaxus#0000 yes but the waiting time is much longer [16-Mar-25 12:48 PM] tanda#0000 I'm going to run a day's worth of production on my WEL bases, then leave it at that [16-Mar-25 12:49 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah [16-Mar-25 12:49 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 The urge to order 10 Neoshos [16-Mar-25 12:49 PM] jab.sh#0000 right? ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-Mar-25 12:50 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 But i am getting HCBs [16-Mar-25 12:50 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 :SunglassesBling: [16-Mar-25 12:50 PM] jab.sh#0000 I think I want a HCB [16-Mar-25 12:50 PM] jab.sh#0000 but so expensive [16-Mar-25 12:50 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I make the HCB kits myself hehe [16-Mar-25 12:54 PM] jab.sh#0000 must be nice [16-Mar-25 01:42 PM] tanda#0000 I should have about 5k SSC to start shipping tomorrow afternoon {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Ž (2) [16-Mar-25 02:42 PM] marat_sh#0000 REA was a dead market for a while and now sudden increase in purchases [16-Mar-25 02:43 PM] tanda#0000 It kinda happened like I thought it would [16-Mar-25 02:44 PM] tanda#0000 everyone stepped up production when it was hella short, but eventually those bases got torn down when people had stockpiles/realized they couldn't really sell it [16-Mar-25 02:44 PM] tanda#0000 and the market is at a healthy enough price point that nobody's rushing to set those bases back up again [16-Mar-25 02:45 PM] tanda#0000 Yak was a really long term project to hit break even, lol. But I don't have obscene stocks of REA anymore, so that's a good thing [16-Mar-25 02:45 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350917976244748419/image.png?ex=68147828&is=681326a8&hm=8f2972711b6597476f284faa2ecc9f11b3b69882ae6ff9bdd884c00b5de0d2da& [16-Mar-25 02:45 PM] marat_sh#0000 yeap, used to have like 7-9k REA [16-Mar-25 02:45 PM] marat_sh#0000 down to 5k [16-Mar-25 03:12 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1350924633859428423/image.png?ex=68147e5b&is=68132cdb&hm=a3dc83b281540a13d9f5e087014c338af4e438794aa912893f677d18beb6f9f8& [16-Mar-25 03:14 PM] potaterror#0000 I'm not crying, it's nice to have a market for a product running a slight surplus. [16-Mar-25 08:13 PM] tanda#0000 It has finally begun {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1351000349443620985/image.png?ex=6814c4df&is=6813735f&hm=30d1eb69a702a7d1bd0d9a54ebfb1a9e2a4e355c746e7ee3995708ca9c9c761e& [16-Mar-25 08:13 PM] tanda#0000 only to be put on hold for a couple days to pump SSC [16-Mar-25 09:07 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/led-led-light-grow-light-indoor-grow-cultureindoor-gif-5606597767961842383 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/led-led-light-grow-light-indoor-grow-cultureindoor-gif-5606597767961842383 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/7JvpSMStjPFXrKjxU8zdGfHbAIQ4GUF__3OyIlh2nt4/https/media.tenor.com/Tc6i9wXdEs8AAAAe/led-led-light.png [17-Mar-25 01:11 AM] evov#0000 Open sourcing idea's on what to do with spare capital. I'm routinely finding myself with +200m in cash sitting around and looking for ways to put it to use that are both A. Interesting, and B. Profitable. Back up plans are - Providing loans. Engaging in MM type activities on the ANT CX, or just keep eating the increasing costs of permits to increase my productive capacity. More permits are in the 80mil region depending on Afab prices, so if anyone has cool idea's, I'm interested in hearing them. [17-Mar-25 01:12 AM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1351075666514280519/image.png?ex=68150b04&is=6813b984&hm=75ca721200e49e554beec4fc6e5a71ca2636f4b16349da6577cf9b811b9b4571& [17-Mar-25 01:14 AM] jcheung#0000 ~~give it to me~~ [17-Mar-25 01:14 AM] evov#0000 "A. Interesting, and B. Profitable." [17-Mar-25 01:14 AM] jcheung#0000 ~~damn~~ [17-Mar-25 01:15 AM] getonthetrain#0000 MM the place up [17-Mar-25 01:17 AM] jcheung#0000 you could corral a bunch of people to sell you their permits to produce AFABs to reduce your upgrade costs. dunno if that ticks off interesting though [17-Mar-25 02:50 AM] taiyibureau#0000 Well, besides going on an infrastructure spree and throwing money at gateways which may or may not qualify for being profitable, there are probably only symbolic goals left. Like getting ahead in the HQ level race (Is anyone even talking about that at all?) or building up the CX activity. Personally I was wondering how far I can push the A-Fab markets by purchasing them solely from the CX. Another idea I had was pushing into one of the secondary MMs which do not provide IDC levels of profits but instead require an insane amount of precursor bases, but combine this with purchases from the CX. That way a whole bunch of markets could spring to life there. [17-Mar-25 03:04 AM] evov#0000 Gateways - It is my intention to either sell, or otherwise contribute one complete gate once they become available. I built up the production requirements for this and currently have about 95% of the available parts on hand. Mostly just need to wait for the new "bits" to become available in order to complete this project. If needed (and if there's funding available for it) I've geared up to be able to produce 1 new gate every 100 days, but I don't expect there to be sufficient desire/funding for this to be needed. Other infrastructure projects - I've developed 2 systems in the ANT region (9 planets) to do high tier production. Actual development cost was about 80million + personal cost/loss for moving bases onto these planets. I'm not expecting a return on this investment any time soon. The intent is to make it a high tier industrial hub that's within 1 day's flight from ANT cx and HRT cx. It will also be the location for a future gateway point. In some cases I offer to fill in a type of MM role for bases on these planets, buying things at fixed prices on planet. For reference - the planets / cogc's and relevant pops. If anyone is interested in joining any of these planets, hit me up. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1351103809350537216/image.png?ex=68147c7a&is=68132afa&hm=4f691939c629ddffbf1492998f2225fbbd8fcc236e4b8b9d6198097b082955b0& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ ๐Ÿ‘Œ [17-Mar-25 04:09 AM] taiyibureau#0000 I have followed your development with some interest, sadly it is exactly on the opposite side of the universe than most of my bases. Maybe eventually I will close down my MOR bases and align more along ANT <-> BEN axis. What is your current pricing for a gate? Do you have rough numbers? I have a personal interest to set up a connection from ANT to ARC, which would really tie those areas closer together. Have you considered setting up longer chains for something like AIR/LOG/CBS as MM? According to my numbers they are coming somewhat close to IDC in profitability but along their whole chain, which is multiple layers deep. [17-Mar-25 04:54 AM] evov#0000 I already make AIR LOG and all the Capacitor types. I haven't checked recently, but I believe they're worth more for their productive value than their MM value. r.e. Gate cost - no idea. It's hard to know for sure until the new resources become available I think people are estimating between 300 and 350mil. A good % of the parts for the gate are available in high enough volume on the CX, so whatever CX prices are makes sense for those parts. However, there's a few parts that new production needs to be spun up in order to meet demand for gates, I think once people start building gates we'll find out what those bits are worth. I haven't checked these prices recently, but as a guide for some of the ... less available parts -> {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1351131662330888302/image.png?ex=6814966b&is=681344eb&hm=041193f1d49f3f873d85dd1be186b021521b1658930f6f23ae5f6783cd7b0323& [17-Mar-25 04:59 AM] evov#0000 For the most part I've stopped producing these parts for the moment. I'm comfortable stocking 1 gate worth of stock, but anything more than that I really need to start getting $$ coming in to make it worth doing. The PSH/RSH/TSH basically compete with Rfabs and Afabs for pricing. [17-Mar-25 05:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 Do you think there would be any significant demand for new and further reaching gateways? [17-Mar-25 05:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 Like gateways connecting all the way up north to the 2 far away CX's? [17-Mar-25 05:28 AM] taiyibureau#0000 At the moment I think they do not give enough advantage to justify their costs by themselves. It would be a very long term investment. [17-Mar-25 05:28 AM] taiyibureau#0000 By a pure cost analysis simply adding more ships to your fleet will come out ahead in most cases [17-Mar-25 05:29 AM] taiyibureau#0000 But we have no idea on how much they'll speed up travel times [17-Mar-25 05:31 AM] pagy1234#0000 Alr, i guess we gotta wait for that info maybe [17-Mar-25 05:39 AM] evov#0000 I suspect - that the gates that connect the 4 main CX's ... MIGHT be able to pay for themselves eventually... but that's still unclear to me. For the most part I think they're a prestige item. At this stage, when it comes to Cost per item to transport - slow steaming 5k5k ships seems like it will remain the most cost efficient way to transport items between CX's. 4 gates needed to connect ANT -> BEN for example. Rough cost - 1.2 -> 1.5 billion. That's like 120x 5k5k ships you could build for that cost. ( 480 ships for the cost of the full network connecting all the 4 main CX's in a loop of gates ). I'd be very very surprised if the speed difference from using gates has any hope of increasing volume of shipped goods or reducing cost of shipping them when compared to a 5k5k ship on low fuel settings. If the objective is to build cool new stuff -> Gates. If the objective is efficient transfer of large amount of goods -> 5k5k Ships. [17-Mar-25 05:41 AM] laaxus#0000 The gateways will be usefull for the supply lines we will need to invade benten [17-Mar-25 05:41 AM] laaxus#0000 it's worth it [17-Mar-25 05:41 AM] taiyibureau#0000 I see some utility where prior connections are not present like for ANT <-> ARC {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [17-Mar-25 05:42 AM] pagy1234#0000 I would assume then that the gates are simply for the big players to allow new players to expand more easily, its only the big players who are able to slowly hunker around with their ships. And also probably to collectively make expanding into far away planets more easy. [17-Mar-25 05:43 AM] evov#0000 The volume of traffic between ANT and ARC will "probably" never be high enough to pay for the gate, unless you're charging super high rates to use the gate. [17-Mar-25 05:43 AM] taiyibureau#0000 That's why I have called it 'some utility' [17-Mar-25 05:44 AM] evov#0000 Sure, some utility - just..... a lot lot lot lot less utility than the equivalent amount of capital spent on ships. [17-Mar-25 05:44 AM] taiyibureau#0000 That connection could induce some demand by being present, but I am struggling to see which resources ANT is lacking that would come from ARC [17-Mar-25 05:45 AM] taiyibureau#0000 Most likely still correct. [17-Mar-25 05:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 Well it would allow people to make/mine resources on less crowded planets, and maybe planets with more favorable environments and yields [17-Mar-25 05:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 Like i wanna expand to deimos, but its full so D: [17-Mar-25 05:46 AM] pagy1234#0000 But if theres a similar planet that is accessable to me, I wouldnt hesitate to go there [17-Mar-25 05:46 AM] taiyibureau#0000 Would you choose to go to ARC or just stick with Nascent? [17-Mar-25 05:47 AM] taiyibureau#0000 You'd most likely pick the closer option [17-Mar-25 05:47 AM] taiyibureau#0000 It just makes more sense [17-Mar-25 05:47 AM] evov#0000 But - the gates aren't live yet. There's still time for their build cost to be changed, their distance / speed / volume etc to be changed. Upkeep/fuel prices .... all of it could be changed. So we're mostly just taking guesses based on the state of Gates, as they are at this point in their development. I think if the cost of a gateway got reduced by half, it would make a lot more sense imo. [17-Mar-25 05:49 AM] pagy1234#0000 Well, my example only works for planets like deimos, which are full, (its at +14 last i checked), but are planets that are very useful [17-Mar-25 05:49 AM] taiyibureau#0000 I was a bit ambivalent from the beginning. On the one hand they promise to bring the universe closer together and are a nice endgame goal, but on the other hand they are likely to eradicate local advantages and will make the CXs less unique in that sense. [17-Mar-25 05:50 AM] taiyibureau#0000 In my books travel distance to the CX is one of the primary metrics for usefulness [17-Mar-25 05:51 AM] pagy1234#0000 Thats why i was asking weather it would be useful in the long term to just expand outwards from each CX to untapped areas [17-Mar-25 05:51 AM] pagy1234#0000 There are entire systems with maybe 1 or 2 bases but incredible yields thats no one touches except for the largest players because its a 5 day round trip [17-Mar-25 05:52 AM] evov#0000 A pair of gates "roughly" reaches from the CX - out to somewhere that's already about a 24 hr flight away. So they don't really "unlock" many new area's. It makes more of the systems 1 or 2 jumps from the destination gate fall within that 24hr flight window. [17-Mar-25 05:54 AM] taiyibureau#0000 What is the incentive for reaching into the further out areas? Higher resource concentrations could be one. But other than that all places are equally potent for production. Other than the artificial plot limit there are close to no push factors. [17-Mar-25 05:54 AM] pagy1234#0000 Wait so gates are kinda ass? Saving a 24h flight isnt even that much for 300mil+ object.. [17-Mar-25 05:54 AM] pagy1234#0000 I thought they had much more range than that [17-Mar-25 05:55 AM] taiyibureau#0000 They are pretty underwhelming from what we currently know. [17-Mar-25 05:55 AM] evov#0000 At the moment, it takes 2 sets of gates to go from CX->CX = 4 gates. = 1.2->1.5 billion [17-Mar-25 05:55 AM] taiyibureau#0000 Maybe chaining 2-3 jumps could yield some results, but the investment required just skyrockets [17-Mar-25 05:57 AM] pagy1234#0000 Are gates only 1 direction?? [17-Mar-25 05:57 AM] pagy1234#0000 Ah wait no [17-Mar-25 05:57 AM] pagy1234#0000 2 sets [17-Mar-25 05:57 AM] evov#0000 So imagine a point half way between ANT and HRT ( IA-151 or IA-158 are examples ) That's roughly where you'd need the midpoint pair to connect ANT and HRT [17-Mar-25 05:57 AM] evov#0000 That's roughly the distance you'll get to. [17-Mar-25 05:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 Damn, not even that much then.. [17-Mar-25 05:58 AM] evov#0000 More or less - just far enough to get out of faction space is probably a good guide when looking at a map. [17-Mar-25 06:01 AM] evov#0000 They'll still get built - because they're new and they're cool. I just don't think they'll actually provide more value than they cost. There's enough people that are happy to build them and pay for them for the cool factor though. [17-Mar-25 06:01 AM] taiyibureau#0000 There is enough stored wealth to go around and be spent on vanity projects [17-Mar-25 06:02 AM] evov#0000 Yea, the RoI on these things will be measured in years, not days ๐Ÿ™‚ [17-Mar-25 06:04 AM] pagy1234#0000 So my 100k dono to archiel might get me 2k a month?๐Ÿคฃ [17-Mar-25 06:05 AM] evov#0000 Again - they're new, they're cool, and building a 16 gate network to connect all the CX's is a universe wide construction project that lots and lots of people are excited to be a part of. [17-Mar-25 06:06 AM] evov#0000 If I had to bet - ... yeah. Probably between 0.5k and 4k per month ๐Ÿ™‚ [17-Mar-25 06:07 AM] laaxus#0000 more than an investment, the gateway update is more a content update for older players [17-Mar-25 06:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 Fair [17-Mar-25 06:45 AM] akyantor#0000 tbh, I'm not seeing any donation to a gateway project as an investment. The lack of data on usage, run costs etc... means it's a donation to regional infrastructure. ๐Ÿ™‚ [17-Mar-25 06:45 AM] akyantor#0000 If there's any kind of return, that's a bonus. *In other words, I'd only invest what I'd be willing to give away.* [17-Mar-25 06:54 AM] tanda#0000 I just think they're cool {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [17-Mar-25 06:55 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/marge-i-just-think-theyre-neat-the-simpsons-neat-potato-gif-8549864 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/marge-i-just-think-theyre-neat-the-simpsons-neat-potato-gif-8549864 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/n_rUHffqoXBo1kcQ1IG-hOPUv6PMDUwgS4Y-o78konc/https/media.tenor.com/eHIRFWRKeQoAAAAe/marge-i-just-think-theyre-neat.png [17-Mar-25 07:03 AM] jcheung#0000 Tis where I'm at [17-Mar-25 07:03 AM] jcheung#0000 If i actually see a return, cool [17-Mar-25 07:04 AM] jcheung#0000 If i see a worthwhile return, even better [17-Mar-25 07:20 AM] tanda#0000 so something interesting: If a base is making nothing but SSC, it can eat a shipload a day more or less [17-Mar-25 07:34 AM] jcheung#0000 of inputs as a whole? [17-Mar-25 07:34 AM] jcheung#0000 or a specific input? [17-Mar-25 07:34 AM] jcheung#0000 ...also that's a *lot* of SSC [17-Mar-25 07:36 AM] tanda#0000 Is a shipload of all inputs. [17-Mar-25 07:36 AM] tanda#0000 Also check the cxm. [17-Mar-25 10:41 AM] archielvahr#0000 You can do a little FX action. Sort of boring, often slow moving, but consistent profit. But I think realistically MM is the most interesting and profitable option. The issue for me doing MM style activities is keeping track of my buy and sell orders- clearing buried orders and rememberign to recreate new orders when old ones are filled. Really it just needs a sheet that helps track those things, but I never made one [17-Mar-25 10:42 AM] archielvahr#0000 Like I intend to buy all the SD items- mostly for personal use- but it's tough to remember the prices I want and keep the orders up [17-Mar-25 11:37 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 @manhim why that reaction to my wts post? [17-Mar-25 11:39 AM] manhim#0000 Haha sorry, I misclicked [17-Mar-25 11:39 AM] manhim#0000 Hadn't noticed [17-Mar-25 11:40 AM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/grunkle-stan-fight-gif-13172368285554221691 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/grunkle-stan-fight-gif-13172368285554221691 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/8Id3tfR950DnF2p_6o03nw4gWPT4WSMIoD3ZTl_sMak/https/media.tenor.com/ts2nKl8UonsAAAAe/grunkle-stan-fight.png [17-Mar-25 12:28 PM] laaxus#0000 Every roads leads to ANT {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1351245847815262238/image.png?ex=681500c3&is=6813af43&hm=04bd19df0e4407ca53f82057ce067f660bc1985426168e4b4ab1a92025b18d8d& [17-Mar-25 12:28 PM] laaxus#0000 :antares_initiative: [17-Mar-25 12:30 PM] realharvey#0000 Mostly yes {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1351246259817807982/image.png?ex=68150125&is=6813afa5&hm=0db89a13bb6c39339f012e13668262f9bffa66ff7223f8e446ffa3a295f1876e& [17-Mar-25 12:39 PM] getonthetrain#0000 https://tenor.com/view/gladiator-finance-gif-25530028 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/gladiator-finance-gif-25530028 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/QxO8xC7-vo5rdOpl7msCtjRelwLKP4pQ74-qPHkOKb0/https/media.tenor.com/hWO25520BqAAAAAe/gladiator-finance.png [17-Mar-25 05:47 PM] tanda#0000 Yeah, the market's a bit messed up {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1351326171085672628/image.png?ex=6814a2d1&is=68135151&hm=97045b4812e89764529b3279d2aa5c8c8d5d734949a2f8491f551c6a061c1726& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [17-Mar-25 09:52 PM] jcheung#0000 just as a heads up, OFF prices are on their way up [17-Mar-25 09:52 PM] jcheung#0000 might take a while to sell through rise's 20k but i expect it'll go up decently fast after that [17-Mar-25 09:54 PM] tanda#0000 and I just decreased my BMPs... *sigh* [17-Mar-25 09:54 PM] jcheung#0000 like there's time [17-Mar-25 09:54 PM] tanda#0000 well at least my planets will be unaffected by the price spike [17-Mar-25 09:54 PM] jcheung#0000 i just expect that it'll rise once it sells through rise and then paris since they're both calling it quits [17-Mar-25 09:55 PM] jcheung#0000 unless, of course, someone sees this and makes more. not really sure where the profit margin sits [17-Mar-25 09:56 PM] jcheung#0000 haven't made the stuff in a while [17-Mar-25 09:58 PM] tanda#0000 looks like break even is 95ish if you're pulling off the market. Uncertain where my break even lies, I haven't calculated it in a minute [17-Mar-25 09:58 PM] tanda#0000 for the purposes of my planets I run with 75/unit since I produce my own EPO [18-Mar-25 12:18 AM] evov#0000 I think some variation on MM CX works is the most likely. I don't think FX markets should even be in the game tbh. I think currency transfer should be done through the trading of goods between regions imo. So I'll be keeping clear of that one based on philosophical objections. [18-Mar-25 01:15 AM] vanarazor#0000 It took me 38 days to get here, some debate philosophical theme while I still wonder what is my purpose. I always liked crafting systems and I guess this game offers a lot of content , I would love to "see" more people in this game overall but what is left for someone who achieved the top ranking is definitely a tough question!! The philosophical approach is sensibly the healthiest way to tackle this matter [18-Mar-25 01:16 AM] vanarazor#0000 I'd love to craft it all!! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1351439017480032316/image.png?ex=68150bea&is=6813ba6a&hm=fd3d54053a87d9372880711a40f0cc8c293852f443671c4028798b0c7ac33861& {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ (5) [18-Mar-25 01:17 AM] vanarazor#0000 probably I should not be looking for loans as it might spoil the meal [18-Mar-25 05:37 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I donโ€™t like it, when allocator works against my own market pressuring ๐Ÿ˜… {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [18-Mar-25 08:26 AM] awsome_guy71#0000 Hi all, advice please - If I plan on starting a new base on an ungoverned, unnamed planet with no existing warehouse facility I need to create a planetary project first for a new warehouse but where do I unload material to if there is no warehouse to contribute from? Does the planetary administration centre need to be completed first before the warehouae? [18-Mar-25 08:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 You can build a base there first with out any of those [18-Mar-25 08:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But no the admin building does not need to be finished first [18-Mar-25 08:30 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But I believe you should be able to set your ships INV as the source for the materials [18-Mar-25 08:36 AM] tanda#0000 You will need a base in order to contribute to planetary projects at all [18-Mar-25 08:36 AM] awsome_guy71#0000 ok, thanks, will give this a go. still short of some material to make tihis worth while but making plans [18-Mar-25 08:37 AM] tanda#0000 What is your plan with the planet, out of curiosity? [18-Mar-25 08:39 AM] awsome_guy71#0000 not sure yet, still learning but 1 year and 6 bases in, plenty of liquid assets to spend so researching trying something different. [18-Mar-25 09:41 AM] taiyibureau#0000 Exciting, consider putting down an ADM else you might wait a long time for the required POP [18-Mar-25 09:42 AM] taiyibureau#0000 There is a grace period, where the pop hapiness gets boosted {Reactions} โœ… [18-Mar-25 09:42 AM] sidepipe#0000 And get in touch if you need BWS for the ADM and COGC - I have a bunch! [18-Mar-25 10:00 AM] garoo2004#0000 hello [18-Mar-25 10:01 AM] garoo2004#0000 im looking to exchange my 1.5m cis to aic [18-Mar-25 10:02 AM] garoo2004#0000 anyone have spare aic? [18-Mar-25 10:02 AM] jcheung#0000 i think sidepipe usually does? [18-Mar-25 10:03 AM] garoo2004#0000 ooh [18-Mar-25 10:03 AM] sidepipe#0000 I do have spare AIC for your CIS - please send me contracts ๐Ÿ™‚ [18-Mar-25 10:04 AM] garoo2004#0000 well [18-Mar-25 10:04 AM] garoo2004#0000 im actually on basic [18-Mar-25 10:04 AM] garoo2004#0000 can you send it to me teehee [18-Mar-25 10:04 AM] sidepipe#0000 Yep, but might be a few hours. Stuck on mobile atm [18-Mar-25 10:04 AM] garoo2004#0000 ๐Ÿฅบ [18-Mar-25 10:04 AM] garoo2004#0000 yeah no rush [18-Mar-25 10:05 AM] garoo2004#0000 i only need it in few days [18-Mar-25 12:54 PM] laaxus#0000 I've just lost [18-Mar-25 12:54 PM] laaxus#0000 2.7M AIC [18-Mar-25 12:54 PM] laaxus#0000 because of a typo [18-Mar-25 12:54 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/jump-bridge-hoverboard-woah-no-hands-gif-16859719 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/jump-bridge-hoverboard-woah-no-hands-gif-16859719 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/u6Jn50EqDJ4sxPBC5ADohxt0W_hb91vwQqA4w-qytyQ/https/media.tenor.com/CfFlxyiijJwAAAAe/jump-bridge.png [18-Mar-25 12:55 PM] tanda#0000 What did you do? [18-Mar-25 12:55 PM] laaxus#0000 Sold 3k Fim at a discount [18-Mar-25 12:55 PM] jcheung#0000 Oops [18-Mar-25 12:55 PM] tanda#0000 Whoops [18-Mar-25 12:57 PM] laaxus#0000 Maybe i'm crying [18-Mar-25 12:57 PM] laaxus#0000 I hope you'll enjoy it @evov [18-Mar-25 01:00 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Local businessman fixes planet hunger by forgetting a zero in ration price [18-Mar-25 01:00 PM] laaxus#0000 if only [18-Mar-25 01:00 PM] laaxus#0000 I sold it to the 0.1% richest players in the universe {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [18-Mar-25 01:03 PM] jcheung#0000 I've done something similar before, but because i pressed sell instead of buy [18-Mar-25 01:03 PM] jcheung#0000 I think i lost arund a quarter of my net wealth trying to save a few k [18-Mar-25 01:04 PM] jcheung#0000 (Around my second month though) [18-Mar-25 01:05 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 This made me open prun again (to MAT FIM) and I found out I have a very wonky graph {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1351617564291108905/Screenshot_2025-03-18_at_11.04.53_AM.png?ex=68150973&is=6813b7f3&hm=476f9cc2be34661f7d2c3a65a6615039144275836c0dcb5743afe86a4f56916b& [18-Mar-25 01:06 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I don't really know what's making it go up [18-Mar-25 01:09 PM] jcheung#0000 Numbers [18-Mar-25 01:10 PM] jcheung#0000 Looking at mine, I'm surprised that i don't have a couple larger spikes from when i got some equipment [18-Mar-25 01:22 PM] sidepipe#0000 Do you have a bunch of inventory? Some of that stuff might have gotten more expensive since you last played ๐Ÿ˜„ [18-Mar-25 01:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Your ships and stuff if you updated to RPRUN? [18-Mar-25 01:23 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I stopped playing before RPRUN was a thing {Reactions} hehe [18-Mar-25 01:23 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid4-mgs4-solid-snake-old-snake-becoming-old-gif-24179307 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid4-mgs4-solid-snake-old-snake-becoming-old-gif-24179307 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/jnIIuxCKDrpARrwgTsxTu8pQN7JAvwBEfQ51GvgeqZM/https/media.tenor.com/1NdSnpAYq9cAAAAe/metal-gear-solid4-mgs4.png [18-Mar-25 01:23 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Let me see [18-Mar-25 01:26 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1351622734479884422/Screenshot_2025-03-18_at_11.25.30_AM.png?ex=68150e43&is=6813bcc3&hm=3728d9ae6f1516f56a34788043425405ad17d35e40a56846d8e976401922f9fb& {Reactions} rip (3) [18-Mar-25 01:27 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 My bases produced a bunch of stuff that I never shipped. 300 HSE, a bunch of Lfabs, PG, TCS, a bunch of COF and KOM [18-Mar-25 01:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, COF, Lfabs, and especially HSE are likely more expensive now [18-Mar-25 01:33 PM] igfloz#0000 I'm planning to spin up HSE. Just working on a stock of LSE & TCS 1st [18-Mar-25 01:39 PM] sidepipe#0000 Wait, I might be getting HSE and TSH mixed up [18-Mar-25 01:39 PM] sidepipe#0000 But more of anything is a good thing imo ๐Ÿ˜„ [18-Mar-25 03:24 PM] realharvey#0000 It has probably gone down because your bases lose value if not repaired [18-Mar-25 03:28 PM] tanda#0000 Does this mean you're going to start playing again? [18-Mar-25 03:53 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 No :( {Reactions} ASAReeeee ๐Ÿ˜  [18-Mar-25 07:28 PM] tanda#0000 Just going to say: a FP/ 2 IVP base on Norwick making a mix between FIM, PPA, MEA and MTP and a HER on Harmonia pay themselves off in 7 days [18-Mar-25 07:28 PM] tanda#0000 even with my ludicrous permit costs, it still pays for itself in 80 days [19-Mar-25 01:57 AM] evov#0000 Thank you for contributing towards the Antares Strategic Reserve. Your FIM will be combined with a greater stockpile to help ensure continued supply of critical goods to the Antares region. [19-Mar-25 01:58 AM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1351812006092603452/im-doing-my-part-dogecoin.gif?ex=681515c9&is=6813c449&hm=d3e0a6c6766c68dc8a0dcc49c700fdd1e1646053e855e735501b8b97617db974& [19-Mar-25 03:49 AM] pxlfox.#0000 In other words, he puts in into his safe and sells wenn price is good [19-Mar-25 03:58 AM] taiyibureau#0000 They will go towards production of the finest IDC [19-Mar-25 04:10 AM] evov#0000 Ever since there was people talking about ideas of warfare and regional conflict in the game, it got me thinking about various things. While I'm not sure what regional conflict in a game like this would even look like, it did lead me to consider a few questions related to it. 1. What factors (that can be influenced by players) can make a region "good". 2. What factors (that can be influenced by players) can make a region "bad". I think these two questions are at the core of any potential conflict... how do we protect the stuff we want/need - how do we negatively impact the stuff our enemies want/need. I think (and maybe I'm wrong) that the foundational block in the wants/needs of a region is reliable access to consumables and repair materials. I think virtually all economic or productive activity is downstream from this. When you're trying to build a new base or resupply / repair an existing one.... missing even one of the required pieces feels like an unacceptable catastrophe. If I want to help ensure the prosperity of the ANT region, I think securing reliable access to consumes and repair materials is priority number 1. [19-Mar-25 04:14 AM] evov#0000 Right now, for example, there's 2237 FIM available on the BEN CX. If I was running ANY bases that employ engineers out of that region, I'd be getting very nervous right about now. The ANT CX by comparison, has over 17k FIM available right now (in part due to the 10k I just put up there). So people should feel much more comfortable and confident about setting up production in this region if they have reliable access to the things they'll need. [19-Mar-25 04:19 AM] cptboby#0000 agreed [19-Mar-25 04:20 AM] cptboby#0000 i much prefer using CX than terrible contract system [19-Mar-25 04:20 AM] laaxus#0000 I believe that the ANT faction should be able to become strategically autonomous in time of war [19-Mar-25 04:20 AM] laaxus#0000 doesn't mean that we have to be autonomous in times of peace [19-Mar-25 04:21 AM] laaxus#0000 but that we are ready to increase production of key materials to meet our needs [19-Mar-25 04:21 AM] laaxus#0000 consummables is part of that [19-Mar-25 04:21 AM] laaxus#0000 but what about fuel [19-Mar-25 04:22 AM] laaxus#0000 What about H20 [19-Mar-25 04:23 AM] laaxus#0000 My personal opinion is that Antares most grow, as fast as possible [19-Mar-25 04:24 AM] laaxus#0000 hence why I'm running project CORGI [19-Mar-25 04:24 AM] razenpok#0000 ~~Make Antares Great Again~~ [19-Mar-25 04:24 AM] evov#0000 There have been times where we experienced massive shortages in FLX for example. What if... instead of someone emptying FLX from our CX, we had no Power Tools. Or LBH, or any one of the other consume/construction materials. I feel like the impact of missing any of those items even for a few days is pretty painful for a lot of people. [19-Mar-25 04:24 AM] laaxus#0000 we are great [19-Mar-25 04:24 AM] laaxus#0000 I want to make Antares greater [19-Mar-25 04:24 AM] razenpok#0000 And will be great again [19-Mar-25 04:26 AM] laaxus#0000 I feel like the strategic reserve is the responsability of us older players [19-Mar-25 04:26 AM] laaxus#0000 We have the capital [19-Mar-25 04:26 AM] evov#0000 Even in the absence of conflict - I think it still makes sense to look at the stuff that makes a region "good" - and try to secure it and expand on it. To me, this just feels like a good first step. I've been looking for a new and interesting project to sink my teeth into, so I'll be investing time/thought/capital into this in the comming weeks/months. [19-Mar-25 04:27 AM] laaxus#0000 I think what lowstrife is doing should be expanded [19-Mar-25 04:27 AM] laaxus#0000 Large bid to increase production on under produced key items [19-Mar-25 04:28 AM] laaxus#0000 then use the bid as strategic reserve [19-Mar-25 04:28 AM] laaxus#0000 I feel like we have a lack of like 3 full PPF base right now, at the very minimum for example [19-Mar-25 04:29 AM] evov#0000 At the moment, for me - first goal I'll be working on is to secure reliable access to consumables. But I'm always open to discussions on elements people think make a region .... more good. [19-Mar-25 04:29 AM] laaxus#0000 Honestly, your goal is very similar to project corgi [19-Mar-25 04:31 AM] laaxus#0000 maybe we could unite under one banner, in some way [19-Mar-25 04:32 AM] laaxus#0000 but honestly, the biggest thing we lack is new players [19-Mar-25 04:36 AM] laaxus#0000 We should find a way to attract players to the Antares region, before they start [19-Mar-25 05:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 time for me to muck about a little :D [19-Mar-25 05:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 lets hope it doesnt go like my PT failure D: [19-Mar-25 05:26 AM] laaxus#0000 @Market Alerts {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1351864426210263122/image.png?ex=68149ddb&is=68134c5b&hm=2aa1f6447ed404b75d388920db0ad284278b89f650f565d6ed47ecf68b2195a8& [19-Mar-25 05:26 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah we have a FP issue [19-Mar-25 05:29 AM] evov#0000 If you're worried about MEA in ANT - consider how it feels to be in any of the other regions {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1351865228156993598/image.png?ex=68149e9a&is=68134d1a&hm=4721f2a1e8ba9baab24f06ee060325546dc3ec2e84e1b84e752de6ded402119e& [19-Mar-25 05:30 AM] evov#0000 MOR supply at 1268 feels pretty yikes. [19-Mar-25 05:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Seems like we had a rise in SCI/decline in production [19-Mar-25 05:31 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm not worried about the stock [19-Mar-25 05:31 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm worried about the production [19-Mar-25 05:31 AM] laaxus#0000 or rather, our lack of production [19-Mar-25 05:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Do we know where the bottleneck is? [19-Mar-25 05:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Or is it just the lack of FP [19-Mar-25 05:31 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm like quite sure it is a lack of FP [19-Mar-25 05:32 AM] laaxus#0000 I think everybody has one FP base on norwick [19-Mar-25 05:32 AM] laaxus#0000 and nobody want to bother dropping another one [19-Mar-25 05:33 AM] evov#0000 Unlikely. FP's can very quickly switch from DW / RAT etc to other things. HER is a pinch point for FIM, MTP ( made in IVP's ) might be a limiting factor for MEA's. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘†๐Ÿฝ [19-Mar-25 05:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Maybe the recent spikes in DW and RAT shifted production there away from MEA? [19-Mar-25 05:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 FIM seems to be well stocked [19-Mar-25 05:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 CXPO for MTP is empty - that might be a bottleneck [19-Mar-25 05:37 AM] evov#0000 There's about 30-40k FIM on the markets, about 5k MTP. This isn't a sector I'm heavily involved in, I only have 1x FP base. But it makes a lot of sense for people with lots of FP's to buy MTP + FIM and start producing MEA imo {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘†๐Ÿฝ [19-Mar-25 05:38 AM] evov#0000 -> Extent of my Food production {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1351867353490653215/image.png?ex=6814a095&is=68134f15&hm=0a1163cea328c72ffd355394009a90f68bfde211e933a802fad84095e3741cee& [19-Mar-25 05:38 AM] evov#0000 I'll stop making VG for a bit and focust on MTP / MEA [19-Mar-25 05:40 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The MTP left in AI1 will last for a week of MEA production at best [19-Mar-25 06:07 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m working on rebuilding my FP bases to focus a lot more on FIM / MEA [19-Mar-25 06:08 AM] sidepipe#0000 I even started a brand new FP planet to move some of my RAT production to ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Mar-25 09:06 AM] keremcozin#0000 Hello [19-Mar-25 09:07 AM] keremcozin#0000 I was associate before having base around Antares, but I have a base Harmonia for a while [19-Mar-25 09:08 AM] laaxus#0000 give you the member role [19-Mar-25 09:08 AM] keremcozin#0000 cool beans! ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿซ˜ [19-Mar-25 09:29 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 h.m.m.m.m [19-Mar-25 10:56 AM] vanarazor#0000 Mtp is my bottleneck, I was thinking of dropping an ivo/ocr base [19-Mar-25 11:02 AM] tanda#0000 5 bases in a Co-Op can make 138 odd MEA per day, with extra FIM and MTP [19-Mar-25 11:02 AM] tanda#0000 Started looking at the planners for it last night [19-Mar-25 11:30 AM] pagy1234#0000 this woke some people up it seems lol, and my messing about gained me ~15k :D [19-Mar-25 11:30 AM] pagy1234#0000 large chunk of that FIM just got eaten up [19-Mar-25 11:31 AM] pagy1234#0000 some guy called blattor and allocator put in huge buy orders [19-Mar-25 11:38 AM] potaterror#0000 I recently reprioritized my main FP planet (3 permits) to be solely MEA until I burned through my buffer of FIM. Gonna end up on the market directly. [19-Mar-25 11:50 AM] potaterror#0000 Oh, as a completely unrelated note, if there's anyone looking for a government role, by all means run on Electronica. It's currently looking like I'll have a parliament seat there otherwise -- I ran entirely to try to squeeze out Xep. {Reactions} โค๏ธ (2) [19-Mar-25 11:55 AM] tanda#0000 An admirable goal. After the way he neglected Aceland, I'm trying to keep him out of core government [19-Mar-25 11:56 AM] potaterror#0000 Good opportunity for curious newbies to have a look under the hood, so long as you're active and willing to participate, though the reality of it is that it'll likely mostly just be voting to pass a financial motion to reimburse the governor after making sure the total is reasonable for upkeep items. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [19-Mar-25 11:56 AM] jab.sh#0000 at what point should I stop stockpiling and start selling to try and lower prices? [19-Mar-25 11:57 AM] .urpalhal#0000 A tough goal, but we applaud you Heโ€™s literally everywhere [19-Mar-25 11:58 AM] potaterror#0000 On that note, if you spot any places he's likely to get a seat in, feel free to call me in as a ringer. I don't really want the additional tedium of parliament seats, but I'll take it if necessary. [19-Mar-25 11:58 AM] jcheung#0000 if your goal is to reduce prices, no stockpile [19-Mar-25 11:58 AM] jab.sh#0000 I really should set up prunplanner to know what my actual cost of producing some of these things are ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Mar-25 11:58 AM] jcheung#0000 just sell into market [19-Mar-25 12:00 PM] jab.sh#0000 I was thinking about selling anything over 50k rats, and now suddenly I have 73k and I could easily wait until 100k [19-Mar-25 12:01 PM] tanda#0000 What is the pile of 50k RAT for? [19-Mar-25 12:01 PM] jab.sh#0000 mostly laziness [19-Mar-25 12:01 PM] jab.sh#0000 also co-op payouts [19-Mar-25 12:02 PM] jab.sh#0000 40k of the rats aren't "mine" [19-Mar-25 12:04 PM] jab.sh#0000 apparently I produce an excess of 1400/day on my own, so that stockpile will just continue to grow {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [19-Mar-25 12:06 PM] potaterror#0000 I mean...with RATs, I'd say it's kinda vibes based IMO. [19-Mar-25 12:07 PM] potaterror#0000 MM isn't exactly ruinous. [19-Mar-25 12:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 for a little bit of context on MEA, AFC stopped producing it for a month while ownership switched over, but we're producing again. before AFC was producing something like 500/week and I have no idea how many people were using vs just selling on the market. [19-Mar-25 12:08 PM] potaterror#0000 Only reason to keep a stockpile is because WAR space on the CX is cheaper than getting caught in a liquidity crunch in an unfavorable FX situation. [19-Mar-25 12:09 PM] realharvey#0000 Since the MM for RAT is fine I believe that it is actually a waste if people go for RAT production instead of making other products more affordable or more traded on the cx. Just my opinion on RAT [19-Mar-25 12:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 I think making new players lives just a little easier (cheaper) is a good thing. [19-Mar-25 12:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 again I should do the math to see what _my_ cost is so I can have price targets, I don't want to lose money doing this ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Mar-25 12:10 PM] potaterror#0000 Problem there is that it's quite likely to be gobbled up by established players, so I'm not sure how effective that'll be. [19-Mar-25 12:10 PM] potaterror#0000 It'd likely be more effective to sell and simply issue small grants with the earnings. [19-Mar-25 12:10 PM] jab.sh#0000 ๐Ÿคท if i can constantly resupply at lower prices then it benefits everyone [19-Mar-25 12:12 PM] potaterror#0000 True. In that case there's no point to buffer more than a nice round number well above expected AFC activity so you don't have to do any math. [19-Mar-25 12:12 PM] jab.sh#0000 the issue with something like grants is A: they have to have pro and B: they have to be in a communication channel with me and be aware of the concept of grants [19-Mar-25 12:12 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah exactly [19-Mar-25 12:12 PM] jab.sh#0000 I could just sell off anything over 100k at $(my price) every week or whatever [19-Mar-25 12:13 PM] potaterror#0000 Yeah, that's probably the laziest option, assuming there's a 100K MTRA button. [19-Mar-25 12:20 PM] jab.sh#0000 just gotta figure out what my price is. I have so much junk in prunplanner I should probably just delete most of it and import [19-Mar-25 12:29 PM] vanarazor#0000 Im keen [19-Mar-25 12:30 PM] vanarazor#0000 Actually i might not have the cash [19-Mar-25 12:30 PM] potaterror#0000 No cash required. [19-Mar-25 12:30 PM] jab.sh#0000 that is like 90% of motions [19-Mar-25 12:31 PM] potaterror#0000 Just pull up the PLI -> Administration center -> run for office. Don't even need a base there. [19-Mar-25 12:31 PM] jab.sh#0000 I don't think I'll run but I'll throw you my vote pomme [19-Mar-25 12:35 PM] potaterror#0000 If Aaron wants the seat, vote for them. I don't want the hassle, I just want to keep Xep from being an albatross around the neck of local government. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Mar-25 12:41 PM] potaterror#0000 If you do run, sing out and I'll flip my vote for you. {Reactions} ๐ŸŽถ ๐Ÿ‰ [19-Mar-25 12:45 PM] vanarazor#0000 If it requires me to be active during the day that might difficult to be honest, if it allows me to manage it during home time, it will be okay [19-Mar-25 12:45 PM] vanarazor#0000 Work is usually pretty fullOn [19-Mar-25 12:45 PM] vanarazor#0000 I ll have a look this afternoon [19-Mar-25 12:51 PM] potaterror#0000 Nah, it's not intense like that, it's mostly a matter of not stalling out votes by constantly letting them sit for days. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [19-Mar-25 12:54 PM] vanarazor#0000 Oh easy then [19-Mar-25 12:54 PM] vanarazor#0000 I ll DM you later to talk about what our government policies should aim for, if thatโ€™s okay {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [19-Mar-25 12:55 PM] jab.sh#0000 it's not that serious my guy lmao [19-Mar-25 12:55 PM] vanarazor#0000 Ok then no more chem cogc for electronica, we ll do electronics for now on ๐Ÿซ  {Reactions} ๐Ÿซ  [19-Mar-25 12:56 PM] jab.sh#0000 electronics on electronica? blasphemy {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [19-Mar-25 12:58 PM] potaterror#0000 You can absolutely make it a time sink by diving in and trying to optimize POPI and such, but it's generally accepted that it's the governor's responsibility. The minimal responsibility level for parliament is basically make sure the payouts fall within reasonable margins. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [19-Mar-25 12:59 PM] vanarazor#0000 Sounds easy enough [19-Mar-25 01:01 PM] potaterror#0000 Yeah. It's a bit weird that someone consistently runs and then doesn't really even do that, but that's pretty much the situation driving this. [19-Mar-25 06:12 PM] batman_project#0000 yis {Reactions} red DancieBoi [19-Mar-25 06:12 PM] batman_project#0000 @jvaler [19-Mar-25 06:20 PM] tanda#0000 I'll open this offer back up again: It can be iffy getting in on some of the more remote planets, but I run a bunch of smaller planets with almost no MPs on them [19-Mar-25 06:20 PM] tanda#0000 Give me a heads up if you're interested in the workings of the context system and I'll get a vote or two rigged for you [19-Mar-25 06:21 PM] tanda#0000 and if you're running against xepiov on a planet I'm on? Please give me a heads up and I'll make sure to get you a vote {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [19-Mar-25 06:27 PM] .shiva.#0000 related - people should vote on Nascent if you haven't already [19-Mar-25 06:28 PM] igfloz#0000 I did my bit the other day [19-Mar-25 06:41 PM] jvaler#0000 okay good so you do have access [19-Mar-25 06:42 PM] batman_project#0000 yup [19-Mar-25 08:17 PM] evov#0000 It doesn't benefit other people producing and trying to sell the item. It is interesting that people seem to think lowering prices is intrinsically better. It's almost as though the natural state is to view themselves as a producer, and all other players as consumers. Like they're making some sort of noble sacrifice to provide cheap goods to others, when it's equally true that the same action is undercutting other producers and trying to drive them out of business. {Reactions} โ˜๏ธ ๐Ÿ’ฏ [19-Mar-25 08:32 PM] jab.sh#0000 then they should join AFC ๐Ÿ˜› [19-Mar-25 08:34 PM] jab.sh#0000 also economics is complicated [19-Mar-25 08:36 PM] tanda#0000 cheap goods generally also get bought and resold at the "proper" price if supply and demand are reasonably matched [19-Mar-25 08:36 PM] tanda#0000 if supply outstrips demand, that's when things get ugly [19-Mar-25 08:40 PM] jab.sh#0000 I was thinking a cheaper basic commodity is generally a good thing, but you're totally right, there's people out there who only make RAT and if it's too cheap that's not going to be good for them. on the flip side, perhaps they should be diversifying anyway ๐Ÿ˜› [19-Mar-25 08:42 PM] tanda#0000 they should be, but then they run up against DDT [19-Mar-25 08:43 PM] marat_sh#0000 did someone said DDT? [19-Mar-25 08:45 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1352095796732104734/image.png?ex=6814cc96&is=68137b16&hm=7eb5e937ff05d696269063875949a356c0eb77ab85f76a4f51b58b93cedf059e& [19-Mar-25 08:46 PM] marat_sh#0000 I always look at ask prices across cxs [19-Mar-25 08:47 PM] marat_sh#0000 if I want to make it cheaper I do like 5-10% discount on lowest ask price but never lower than bid at any market [19-Mar-25 08:49 PM] marat_sh#0000 there are some exceptions but it generally better to have a stable prices for everyone [19-Mar-25 08:51 PM] tanda#0000 Just for informational purposes: My internal prices are all found by taking my costs and adding 20% on top of that {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Mar-25 08:52 PM] tanda#0000 Not for everyone, I have my money sources (nobody in ADI buys enough INS to run me out of stock, lol) [19-Mar-25 08:52 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah I was going to do something like this. I was thinking 10% for internal and 20% for CX [19-Mar-25 08:53 PM] tanda#0000 on CX I sell for whatever I can get, I move the ticker on the CX by overproducing, not setting an arbitrary price point [19-Mar-25 08:54 PM] tanda#0000 something to keep in mind for us bulk producers is that our costs are generally far lower than an average player will be able to achieve [19-Mar-25 08:54 PM] tanda#0000 either because we vertically integrate, or because we work out deals with other players for bulk supply [19-Mar-25 08:55 PM] jab.sh#0000 sure but "sell for whatever I can get" can potentially go under your cost [19-Mar-25 08:56 PM] jab.sh#0000 Tanda do you have spreadsheets for your cost or do you just use prun planner [19-Mar-25 08:56 PM] marat_sh#0000 I used to do PriceToMake + 40k to guarantee that I make a bit lower than avg base [19-Mar-25 08:56 PM] tanda#0000 oh yeah, I guess I left my statement a bit open ended. I know my COGMs pretty well, and I don't sell below them. I can sell INS to bid and still make 40+/unit even now, for instance [19-Mar-25 08:57 PM] tanda#0000 I mostly use PRUN planner. For internal empire pricing, it works pretty well. I would definitely get a spreadsheet if I started running a Co-Op, though [19-Mar-25 08:57 PM] marat_sh#0000 you are doing co-op REA right? [19-Mar-25 08:58 PM] tanda#0000 I have partners for my CLI> I production and my BRM>REA production, yeah [19-Mar-25 08:58 PM] jab.sh#0000 I have a spreadsheet for AFC but it doesn't answer all of my questions ๐Ÿ˜† [19-Mar-25 08:58 PM] tanda#0000 but it's not really a co-op when it's just two people, I feel? [19-Mar-25 08:59 PM] marat_sh#0000 anything but solo is a co-op in my opinion ๐Ÿ˜… [19-Mar-25 08:59 PM] tanda#0000 and, I don't pass the finished materials back to my partners, just try to pay them fairly [19-Mar-25 08:59 PM] tanda#0000 for those specific instances, I just have a PRUN planner mockup of my partner's base that I keep handy for reference [19-Mar-25 09:00 PM] marat_sh#0000 it costs me 188.18/u for REA as single base and I make 122.9/d [19-Mar-25 09:01 PM] marat_sh#0000 I don't know how you making BRM -> REA fair it's such a small margin now I feel like [19-Mar-25 09:01 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1352099758973390899/image.png?ex=6814d047&is=68137ec7&hm=ddcfae6b2f6da751f221c2c210dca78b2af53909f4a29dbdc495494aaa31263c& [19-Mar-25 09:02 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1352099847490240562/image.png?ex=6814d05c&is=68137edc&hm=1fd0ffe4166cba2d035a0ff8547d016c23fdf46d73f10e0d2264e643275e722c& [19-Mar-25 09:03 PM] tanda#0000 my ~~BRM~~ REA margins are much tighter. I pay 120/unit-ish for BRM from my partner, but I do also make 181 a day (51 more consumed on site) [19-Mar-25 09:03 PM] tanda#0000 I also try to minimize my partner's shipping when I can, but that's been spotty as of late. We've been missing each other's schedules [19-Mar-25 09:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 You probably have some your own pop inputs covered then right? [19-Mar-25 09:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 RAT and DW are largest inputs [19-Mar-25 09:06 PM] tanda#0000 I don't think I have all my DW consumption covered? Probably short on that by about 2k per week empire wide, everything else I buy on the CX. RAT I'm positive empire wide by like 200 a day [19-Mar-25 09:06 PM] tanda#0000 haven't bought that in.... 5 months? [19-Mar-25 09:07 PM] marat_sh#0000 ๐Ÿ‘€ [19-Mar-25 09:07 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1352101231044071547/image.png?ex=6814d1a6&is=68138026&hm=b41e7ae40524b40ad57cd216866d01b99bcc045d4ef2bf4fd4bdc0be1fbe6bf1& [19-Mar-25 09:07 PM] marat_sh#0000 RAT is my biggest expanse [19-Mar-25 09:11 PM] jab.sh#0000 buy my RAT ๐Ÿ˜› [19-Mar-25 09:13 PM] marat_sh#0000 I am buying RATs everyday from CX ๐Ÿ˜… [19-Mar-25 09:14 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1352103020980076637/image.png?ex=6814d351&is=681381d1&hm=5c88d63eacdb762f1989ef2509884955699a4d504d523c73435d1776ef957e7a& [19-Mar-25 09:14 PM] marat_sh#0000 I think I can afford to buy it at MM ๐Ÿ˜… [19-Mar-25 09:15 PM] jab.sh#0000 I need to work out my internal price [19-Mar-25 09:25 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m gonna be honest, all my internal prices for ADI are complete guesses ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [19-Mar-25 09:26 PM] tanda#0000 IIRC you had an MHL price for the longest time that I find completely unreachable [19-Mar-25 09:27 PM] sidepipe#0000 Did I sell you some MHL? I might have passed it on at the OOG price [19-Mar-25 09:27 PM] sidepipe#0000 I try not to re-sell corp goods, but when I do I make sure to sell them at whatever price I buy them at [19-Mar-25 09:28 PM] tanda#0000 I remember someone having an MHL listing, and I think it was you, but I couldn't prove it [19-Mar-25 09:30 PM] sidepipe#0000 I should probably revisit some of my internal prices anyway [19-Mar-25 09:31 PM] sidepipe#0000 Since they were last updated a year ago ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [19-Mar-25 09:33 PM] tanda#0000 oof, yeah. Little bit of inflation there [19-Mar-25 09:37 PM] o.pie#0000 125K off your next ship when you use the code ANT1 at checkout! Hurry, this offer won't last long! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1352108866531491881/image.png?ex=6814d8c2&is=68138742&hm=55289cabd2cecd13aab45f9831ce829785a82c5b1d1c921e23a0b42685c18413& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [19-Mar-25 09:38 PM] tanda#0000 well, that's like a 5% discount off a STL only ship [19-Mar-25 09:38 PM] tanda#0000 that's not nothing [19-Mar-25 09:49 PM] jab.sh#0000 ok I've done a full prunplanner purge and import. now for RAT, my costs are: pop consumables for ALG/MAI/VEG on Life pop consumables for RAT on Norwick aaand I think that's it? I want my CX set up as AI1_BUY = BUY and AI1_SELL = SELL right? [19-Mar-25 09:49 PM] jab.sh#0000 how do I calculate my $/u for ALG/MAI/VEG? [19-Mar-25 09:49 PM] jab.sh#0000 technically I overproduce ALG/MAI/VEG so how does that work out ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Mar-25 09:50 PM] tanda#0000 idk man, you can get all recursive with it if you want [19-Mar-25 09:50 PM] tanda#0000 you make the RATs you consume, making your RATs even cheaper [19-Mar-25 09:51 PM] tanda#0000 It's best to eyeball your cost at the FP step I think, and leave the HYF step alone [19-Mar-25 09:51 PM] jab.sh#0000 do I add a material ALG on Norwick with a buy price of $0? [19-Mar-25 09:51 PM] jab.sh#0000 on the cx screen? [19-Mar-25 09:52 PM] tanda#0000 I would not do that. When handling products internally, I always do COGM+20% on the next step/planet {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Mar-25 09:52 PM] tanda#0000 otherwise all you do is pull all your profit to your last base in the series [19-Mar-25 09:52 PM] jab.sh#0000 but I would do it there (just not $0)? [19-Mar-25 09:52 PM] tanda#0000 yes, that's where you would do it. (planet based, not empire based, usually) [19-Mar-25 09:53 PM] jab.sh#0000 kk [19-Mar-25 09:54 PM] jab.sh#0000 so for life I would do $0 for NS and water right? [19-Mar-25 09:55 PM] jab.sh#0000 since those come from other bases in the coop [19-Mar-25 09:55 PM] tanda#0000 I would still do the same. These products have cost, which must be passed on to have a true understanding of your cost for the end product [19-Mar-25 09:55 PM] tanda#0000 If you're going to do it like that, the only way is to build your coop from the ground up, doing COGM+% at each step [19-Mar-25 09:55 PM] jab.sh#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Mar-25 09:55 PM] tanda#0000 that includes your NS and water bases [19-Mar-25 09:56 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, it's a lot [19-Mar-25 09:56 PM] jab.sh#0000 those aren't my bases though [19-Mar-25 09:56 PM] tanda#0000 and at that scale, PRUN planner breaks down [19-Mar-25 09:56 PM] jab.sh#0000 so would those be empire costs? [19-Mar-25 09:56 PM] tanda#0000 what you could do is a separate empire for the coop. I usually model my vertical integrations as a separate empire [19-Mar-25 09:56 PM] jab.sh#0000 you really gotta do this bottom up don't you [19-Mar-25 09:57 PM] jab.sh#0000 hmm [19-Mar-25 09:57 PM] tanda#0000 you really do. NS has it's own costs (like LST can vary wildly), but water is more stable [19-Mar-25 09:59 PM] jab.sh#0000 is this what I would use to calculate COGM? in this instance RAT is $161/u? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1352114419169099846/screenshot_20250319205933.png?ex=6814ddee&is=68138c6e&hm=92fd9ccbb369e6dd9de1485f794d0b8ce6aebb88c0a1cc40a0a1b1e8ba123665& [19-Mar-25 10:00 PM] tanda#0000 no, unfortunately. That takes planet settings into account, so if you haven't set your costs there, it'll just pull from the CX [19-Mar-25 10:00 PM] jab.sh#0000 well 161 is literally the bid price [19-Mar-25 10:00 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah [19-Mar-25 10:01 PM] tanda#0000 and AGRI prices are very weird at the best of times {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [19-Mar-25 10:01 PM] jab.sh#0000 if I _have_ set my costs in planet settings, where would I see my COGM? [19-Mar-25 10:03 PM] tanda#0000 on the COGM for the finished product [19-Mar-25 10:03 PM] tanda#0000 so that little {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1352115356247916655/image.png?ex=6814dece&is=68138d4e&hm=93cd83352bacea68ddfa972796cdf9d3576cd33ee1ac46dd27c1a20e9ca73711& [19-Mar-25 10:04 PM] tanda#0000 which is only on a planet screen [19-Mar-25 10:04 PM] jab.sh#0000 ah right that one [19-Mar-25 10:04 PM] tanda#0000 This is kinda why I was saying for your application a spreadsheet is better [19-Mar-25 10:04 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah [19-Mar-25 10:04 PM] tanda#0000 you build the spreadsheet once, then just change a few variables on the same page {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [19-Mar-25 10:04 PM] jab.sh#0000 with defaults that says $113 ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Mar-25 10:04 PM] tanda#0000 to get an updated answer here, it's a pain in the butt {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [19-Mar-25 10:05 PM] jab.sh#0000 so that's fun [19-Mar-25 10:05 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, we can all agree a RAT doesn't cost 113 to make if you own the whole chain [19-Mar-25 10:05 PM] jab.sh#0000 I already have my burn data so calculating pop consumables per day is easy, just need to translate that into per unit [19-Mar-25 10:06 PM] jab.sh#0000 how do you account for base upkeep cost? [19-Mar-25 10:07 PM] tanda#0000 in PRUN planner, it's incorporated into the COGM [19-Mar-25 10:07 PM] tanda#0000 on a spreadsheet? honestly, I don't know [19-Mar-25 10:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 I can just pull the number from prunplanner [19-Mar-25 10:08 PM] tanda#0000 just to clarify, you mean repair cost, right? [19-Mar-25 10:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 since it tells you the per day degradation [19-Mar-25 10:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah [19-Mar-25 10:08 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, those should be a constant snapshot [19-Mar-25 10:08 PM] tanda#0000 you would just need to update them every so often [19-Mar-25 10:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 based on CX costs of the building mats? [19-Mar-25 10:08 PM] tanda#0000 yeah [19-Mar-25 10:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 makes sense [19-Mar-25 10:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 thanks for talking through this with me, now I've got a spreadsheet to build... probably this weekend ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Mar-25 10:09 PM] tanda#0000 you're welcome! I find these kind of numbers fun {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [19-Mar-25 10:09 PM] finestone#0000 this is how you would set it up in PRun Planner [19-Mar-25 10:09 PM] finestone#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1352116873424142376/image.png?ex=6814e037&is=68138eb7&hm=4f8c531f920e91d4ca679ef4b64ecb9f87c1c292b0248a6d8b3353f0c4d61a51& [19-Mar-25 10:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 I might even share it if I feel like I can generalize it enough [19-Mar-25 10:12 PM] jab.sh#0000 I'm still a little confused on not putting in $0 for NS/H2O, since that's _my_ cost (minus shipping). is it just that makes it unfair for someone who's completely vertically integrated and/or buying off the CX? [19-Mar-25 10:12 PM] finestone#0000 the cost of your H20 is not 0 [19-Mar-25 10:12 PM] jab.sh#0000 it is, some guy makes it for me ๐Ÿ˜› [19-Mar-25 10:13 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah, it probably makes more sense to calculate an "AFC cost" and go off of that [19-Mar-25 10:13 PM] tanda#0000 yes, but you're trying to get the cost of RATs for the Coop {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Mar-25 10:13 PM] tanda#0000 because your cost is already factored into your share [19-Mar-25 10:13 PM] finestone#0000 the minimum price would be the COGM [19-Mar-25 10:14 PM] finestone#0000 but i would recommend using the bid price as your should take into account oppurtunity cost and fuel + ship time [19-Mar-25 10:14 PM] jab.sh#0000 if I need x% of a ship for a material, what does that math look like? do you amortize a ship over 90 days or something? [19-Mar-25 10:16 PM] finestone#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1352118451925418080/image.png?ex=6814e1b0&is=68139030&hm=d2a51fc6fba02d32ef2976f5dd3c97a89bbd06f831e2ade1f51c32404e1e6748& [19-Mar-25 10:16 PM] finestone#0000 for example on Demeter even if i mine my own water the Cost is still 20/u [19-Mar-25 10:17 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah I get that there's a cost if I own the base, but if someone else does and I just pick it up with my ship it feels a little more nebulous. but like I said earlier I should be calculating the "AFC cost" and not _my_ cost. [19-Mar-25 10:18 PM] tanda#0000 ngl the only thing I count shipping costs for is resource taps [19-Mar-25 10:18 PM] jab.sh#0000 I have a ship full time for picking up water from boucher [19-Mar-25 10:18 PM] jab.sh#0000 and a ship mostly full time flying between Life and Norwick, sometimes two [19-Mar-25 10:18 PM] tanda#0000 because they are that shipping heavy. And I count it as a percentage of a ship's uptime across 180 days [19-Mar-25 10:18 PM] finestone#0000 im confused what are you giving to the person giving you water for free [19-Mar-25 10:18 PM] jab.sh#0000 their share of the cut [19-Mar-25 10:19 PM] tanda#0000 which is why you need to factor their cost into the end product [19-Mar-25 10:19 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah [19-Mar-25 10:19 PM] tanda#0000 because you're paying that cost already [19-Mar-25 10:19 PM] tanda#0000 BTW [19-Mar-25 10:19 PM] tanda#0000 have you researched ISA vs Boucher? [19-Mar-25 10:19 PM] finestone#0000 Just base off avg Bid of all markets excluding outliers over the last 90 days [19-Mar-25 10:20 PM] finestone#0000 that way everything is fair imo [19-Mar-25 10:20 PM] jab.sh#0000 does fio/prunplanner _have_ "over the last 90 days"? [19-Mar-25 10:20 PM] tanda#0000 it does not [19-Mar-25 10:20 PM] jab.sh#0000 sad [19-Mar-25 10:20 PM] tanda#0000 I mean you could definitely do that, but every 90 days you'd need to recalculate that snapshot for each product handled [19-Mar-25 10:20 PM] finestone#0000 The only exception to this rule is sometimes the CX has a built in shipping cost if the material is very annoying to move [19-Mar-25 10:21 PM] finestone#0000 as demand would be consistent but less people take it to the CX so prices naturally inflate [19-Mar-25 10:21 PM] tanda#0000 BRM and CLI are excellent examples of your last point {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [19-Mar-25 10:21 PM] tanda#0000 https://tenor.com/view/stillesque-gif-25544405 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/stillesque-gif-25544405 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/o5xk3lE4_Do8sowQEcfu7rE--kZyuNWEyfwKb8J8Cq4/https/media.tenor.com/YbNwujy_22QAAAAe/stillesque.png [19-Mar-25 10:21 PM] jcheung#0000 what do you mean by this? [19-Mar-25 10:22 PM] tanda#0000 prices that you could pull from the API for the designated time period [19-Mar-25 10:22 PM] finestone#0000 I just use the ingame [19-Mar-25 10:22 PM] tanda#0000 I think jab might be looking for something a bit more automated {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [19-Mar-25 10:23 PM] jab.sh#0000 so... if I need a dedicated ship to move water, how does that work [19-Mar-25 10:23 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah I'm mostly there, the only manual step atm is getting the base upkeep cost. but that can be automated too with a little bit of math [19-Mar-25 10:23 PM] finestone#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1352120388569661491/image.png?ex=6814e37d&is=681391fd&hm=a2c87e428af25120e79811bac7421618c3d20adb7e7225f3be9da03c312f4410& [19-Mar-25 10:24 PM] tanda#0000 If it's in the first 6 months of the ship's existence, I would count ship cost/180 + fuel, otherwise repairs cost across 30+ fuel [19-Mar-25 10:25 PM] jcheung#0000 so like [19-Mar-25 10:25 PM] tanda#0000 that last part I kinda pulled out of my butt, but unless you're operating in high Meteor areas, it should be roughly accurate? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [19-Mar-25 10:25 PM] jcheung#0000 you can pull a bunch of things related to market [19-Mar-25 10:25 PM] jab.sh#0000 so basically for this ship I'd take the cost of the repair mats over 30 days? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1352120944327655564/screenshot_20250319212521.png?ex=6814e402&is=68139282&hm=c6b19b0119b7bd833530670c86a55fd56c4859345b0ef7db8a5ca8658ad7b486& [19-Mar-25 10:26 PM] tanda#0000 ....lol [19-Mar-25 10:26 PM] jab.sh#0000 and then that's the "per day cost" of the ship? [19-Mar-25 10:26 PM] tanda#0000 nvm, you never repair that thing [19-Mar-25 10:26 PM] jab.sh#0000 hey it's my first ship [19-Mar-25 10:26 PM] jcheung#0000 i'd have to look at it again but i'm pretty sure you can gauge prices over 90 days [19-Mar-25 10:26 PM] finestone#0000 Also Prunplanner will give you the UNI30day avg [19-Mar-25 10:26 PM] finestone#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1352121102385811496/image.png?ex=6814e428&is=681392a8&hm=0c27f7196455c34e316e69725ef590b0a0b654ebe948b66861bafcda3445615f& [19-Mar-25 10:26 PM] jab.sh#0000 I didn't think so, I'm pretty sure the only data point in FIO is the current price but I could be wrong [19-Mar-25 10:27 PM] tanda#0000 both PRUN planner and FIO endpoints I would be more than a little bit cautious about {Reactions} ๐Ÿคท [19-Mar-25 10:27 PM] tanda#0000 more knowledgeable players than I have said they don't really pull the same data [19-Mar-25 10:27 PM] jab.sh#0000 ah I guess you could use /exchange/cxpc/{ExchangeTicker}/{TimeStamp} {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [19-Mar-25 10:28 PM] jab.sh#0000 the only ones I'm using are https://rest.fnar.net/csv/burnrate https://rest.fnar.net/csv/prices and https://rest.fnar.net/csv/inventory [19-Mar-25 10:29 PM] jab.sh#0000 which have all been accurate for me [19-Mar-25 10:29 PM] jab.sh#0000 the issue there is there's technically a fixed number at that price, which I don't account for at all [19-Mar-25 10:29 PM] jab.sh#0000 which, depending on the market, may or may not be a big deal [19-Mar-25 10:31 PM] manhim#0000 I have a sheet where I can configure how each items' prices are pulled. So I can individually decide if an item cost at ASK, BID, AVG, or a custom value. [19-Mar-25 10:32 PM] manhim#0000 Also it has fallback values for cases where there are no bids or asks left [20-Mar-25 01:52 AM] vanarazor#0000 dude all this convo that I just read sounds so exciting!!!! following the form of the idea is fine but the content of all this is somehow blur.. Surely there is a PrPl API that you can pull specific information from the game to a desired cell on a spreadsheet. to be honest I have not look at it yet ( work is pretty full on lately and I am betting more on consistent activity rather than working out the math, but time will come hopefully soon when I will be able to sit down and do fun spreadsheets) [20-Mar-25 01:54 AM] vanarazor#0000 @jab.sh I am all ear about your research and can't wait to read your papers {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ ๐Ÿ‘‚๐Ÿฝ ๐Ÿฆป๐Ÿฝ ๐Ÿ”Ž [20-Mar-25 04:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 at my current rate of expansion, (~646% increase in equity per 50 days), il be a billionare by this time next year :D [20-Mar-25 05:00 AM] pagy1234#0000 (not gonna happen but I sure hope it does :D) [20-Mar-25 05:29 AM] evov#0000 I think, roughly, I've seen a doubling in my net worth over the last 6 months. Part of that could be production based, but part of it could also just be increasing prices of stock on hand. Generally, much faster growth rates at the start and slows down over time. 600%+ increase in 50 days sounds crazy though. [20-Mar-25 05:32 AM] pagy1234#0000 tbf I think maybe 200% of that 600% has been because of gifts and good deals, so that will surely be gone quickly since im not *that* new anymore [20-Mar-25 11:04 AM] magican1980#0000 In the last 3 months my equity is from about 50 to 120 Mio with refined prun (ships included) I think thats a good growth spurt {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [20-Mar-25 11:06 AM] magican1980#0000 for me the first growth period was upgrading my starter ships ... and expansions to more planets. After that I needed time to buy my first new ship and I had regularly buy about 1-2 ships monthly [20-Mar-25 11:07 AM] magican1980#0000 and now I have 11 Ships (with starter ships) in my fleet and will regularly expand, if I have the liquid money. In the next 4-8 weeks I will have the next growth phase, but after this it will cool down, because of the HQ expansions are pricy now (HQ is Level 20) [20-Mar-25 11:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 BIG 25โ€ผ๏ธ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1352318165115211886/Screenshot_2025-03-21_at_12.28.56_AM.png?ex=6814f2ef&is=6813a16f&hm=814056ef1d6988e0afab424a92fc926fe3e06816d87a45a8edc3c5019d72cc8a& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ธ [20-Mar-25 11:40 AM] finestone#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1352320940691947631/image.png?ex=6814f585&is=6813a405&hm=c9d6c9cb791b30af45d8c1633631a110e7f21f640fb4eba618280101be8dbb81& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏ [20-Mar-25 12:44 PM] potaterror#0000 Quick request for anyone on Electronica who has voted for me in the election: Toss your vote to Aaron987 instead, if you'd be so kind. Newbie looking to get a taste of government and I was only running to prevent Xep from taking a seat & obstructing government operations. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [20-Mar-25 01:33 PM] jab.sh#0000 one more vote and Aaron will be in 2nd [20-Mar-25 01:40 PM] potaterror#0000 Already is. Nice, looks like that's all sorted. Thanks, folks. [20-Mar-25 01:47 PM] realharvey#0000 I switched mine [20-Mar-25 01:47 PM] realharvey#0000 voted for you to deny xepiov [20-Mar-25 01:48 PM] jcheung#0000 I find it slightly amusing and incredibly annoying that this has to happen [20-Mar-25 01:51 PM] jab.sh#0000 oh wow up to 4 [20-Mar-25 01:51 PM] jab.sh#0000 you might even beat out caskman ๐Ÿ˜„ [20-Mar-25 01:57 PM] laaxus#0000 let's not make him governor [20-Mar-25 01:57 PM] laaxus#0000 him in the parliament is fine [20-Mar-25 01:57 PM] laaxus#0000 but It might be too early for him to foot the bill for the planet {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [20-Mar-25 02:18 PM] potaterror#0000 Yeah, I don't understand why Xepiov runs. [20-Mar-25 02:19 PM] potaterror#0000 Everything I've heard is that they do nothing. [20-Mar-25 02:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Some planets they do fine on [20-Mar-25 02:20 PM] jab.sh#0000 do they need to do anything? [20-Mar-25 02:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah theyโ€™re gov [20-Mar-25 02:20 PM] jab.sh#0000 is elec short on pop? [20-Mar-25 02:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 No [20-Mar-25 02:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But he has to maintain [20-Mar-25 02:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 He didnโ€™t do that on aceland [20-Mar-25 02:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Thatโ€™s really why everyone here is pissed [20-Mar-25 02:26 PM] jab.sh#0000 sorry not trying to defend them, mostly curious ๐Ÿ˜„ [20-Mar-25 02:29 PM] jab.sh#0000 so it's not a problem _now_ but without weekly upkeep it can quickly become a problem? [20-Mar-25 02:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh I didnโ€™t think you were defending him [20-Mar-25 02:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But yes like the CoGC and the POPI and as people build bases you need to reevaluate [20-Mar-25 02:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 POPI can be filled monthly, but POPR come out every week and as a gov you should watch those so that you can confirm pop is happy and doing well [20-Mar-25 02:32 PM] jab.sh#0000 right [20-Mar-25 02:33 PM] finestone#0000 Have you actually seen him do something? or was it just that someone else did while he was Gov [20-Mar-25 02:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 IY-816d he filled POPI and CoGC [20-Mar-25 02:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think he overfills POPI [20-Mar-25 02:34 PM] finestone#0000 ohh nice so he isnt a bot {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ ๐Ÿค– [20-Mar-25 02:50 PM] jcheung#0000 I mean [20-Mar-25 02:50 PM] jcheung#0000 Could still be bot [20-Mar-25 03:46 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I just put that AL up, @laaxus xD [20-Mar-25 03:48 PM] laaxus#0000 like, right now ? XD [20-Mar-25 03:52 PM] pxlfox.#0000 like, a few minutes ago [20-Mar-25 03:53 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I put it for 800, and thought to myself: well, let it sit there for a bit - expecting it to be bought eventually and then - boom - sold like a few minutes later xD {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [20-Mar-25 03:54 PM] pxlfox.#0000 in that regard is AL still a good market for beginners, in that it's really fast moving [20-Mar-25 04:05 PM] igfloz#0000 If it's a regular income, I presume its good for new and older players [20-Mar-25 05:01 PM] tanda#0000 I need a couple votes for Manhim, caskman and myself to get xepiov out of #3 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1352401628895907860/image.png?ex=681497ea&is=6813466a&hm=ac001e373174c6bef557f47dc07ac3a8fe9c6ddfb3a055d64b627554361ddccf& [20-Mar-25 05:33 PM] jcheung#0000 Poke me in like 2 hrs [20-Mar-25 05:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ooh I can vote in aceland now [20-Mar-25 06:45 PM] spinydeath#0000 Anybody have any advice to start a second planet in antares [20-Mar-25 06:46 PM] tanda#0000 what's your first planet? [20-Mar-25 06:46 PM] spinydeath#0000 Hortus promitor [20-Mar-25 06:46 PM] tanda#0000 oh, well then any planet over here will be separate [20-Mar-25 06:47 PM] tanda#0000 My kneejerk reflex is to suggest an HER base on Harmonia. HER is pretty good right now, and can be upcycled into FIM once you're ready to expand off of Harmonia here [20-Mar-25 06:48 PM] tanda#0000 The base is cheap, and should leave plenty of money left for DDT. And it's low shipping, so it shouldn't tax one ship too much [20-Mar-25 06:48 PM] spinydeath#0000 About how much money should i save up to start this I only have the 2 ships and not a lot of money [20-Mar-25 06:49 PM] tanda#0000 If you're expanding to ANT space, I would recommend using the 1mil grant from AGP #agp-information [20-Mar-25 06:49 PM] tanda#0000 one ship should technically be enough for one Agri base, so Promitor shouldn't need too much shipping [20-Mar-25 06:50 PM] spinydeath#0000 yeah i only ever use one [20-Mar-25 06:53 PM] spinydeath#0000 Im still kinda new what is HER [20-Mar-25 06:54 PM] tanda#0000 it's a slow growing material that's in quite a bit of demand right now. You use DDT (a chemical ) and FRMs (a building) to make it [20-Mar-25 06:54 PM] tanda#0000 for all cap codes like HER and FP, you can try plugging them into the game's buffers with MAT HER and BUI FP to see what we're talking about [20-Mar-25 06:55 PM] spinydeath#0000 Thank you {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [20-Mar-25 06:56 PM] spinydeath#0000 Would 1mil being a good amount to start an her base [20-Mar-25 06:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Spicy Peppers basically [20-Mar-25 06:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Used to make flavored insta meals [20-Mar-25 06:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 More betterer rations [20-Mar-25 06:56 PM] spinydeath#0000 I haven't made a chem plant yet and i was looking at the requirements it needs c, h and cl [20-Mar-25 06:57 PM] spinydeath#0000 to make the ddt [20-Mar-25 06:57 PM] tanda#0000 I wouldn't suggest making your own DDT [20-Mar-25 06:57 PM] tanda#0000 the capital requirements for that are quite a bit higher than 1mil [20-Mar-25 06:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I would recommend against vertical integration in general [20-Mar-25 06:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s ok to do later on [20-Mar-25 06:58 PM] sansemin#0000 Is anyone making DDT? [20-Mar-25 06:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [20-Mar-25 06:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I get DDT for my HER on Harmonia and I donโ€™t make it [20-Mar-25 06:59 PM] spinydeath#0000 How much ddt should i buy to start [20-Mar-25 06:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I would make a plan in PrUnplanner [20-Mar-25 06:59 PM] tanda#0000 have you modeled the base in Prun Planner yet? [20-Mar-25 06:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol [20-Mar-25 06:59 PM] spinydeath#0000 I was about to [20-Mar-25 06:59 PM] tanda#0000 jinx [20-Mar-25 06:59 PM] spinydeath#0000 Im new to prun [20-Mar-25 06:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You owe me a soda {Reactions} ๐Ÿฅค [20-Mar-25 06:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I would start with a plan there [20-Mar-25 07:00 PM] sansemin#0000 I used to have a DDT base on Griffonstone when I played before {Reactions} DancieBoi [20-Mar-25 07:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It can show you about how much stuffs youโ€™ll need [20-Mar-25 07:00 PM] tanda#0000 It's still a very good place for it. I run my LABs there as well, but they don't make DDT [20-Mar-25 07:00 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1352431724218552441/image.png?ex=6814b3f2&is=68136272&hm=0cfa28f30067ac78c4f72aaf245e13f7fe510aeb1f2a4116d7f409a1a66061e9& [20-Mar-25 07:01 PM] sansemin#0000 If there's a need then I might do my second base there [20-Mar-25 07:01 PM] tanda#0000 Current market trends are putting a LOT of pressure on the DDT/HER markets due to FIM/MEA spiking in demand and price [20-Mar-25 07:02 PM] tanda#0000 I do kinda expect these trends to stick around for a few months [20-Mar-25 07:17 PM] spinydeath#0000 I cant get construction prices on prun anybody know how [20-Mar-25 07:17 PM] jcheung#0000 what precisely do you mean by construction prices? [20-Mar-25 07:17 PM] jcheung#0000 like construction materials? [20-Mar-25 07:17 PM] sansemin#0000 @jab.sh What's DNPC? [20-Mar-25 07:17 PM] spinydeath#0000 Im making a plan for a her base on harmonia and i was just seeing if you can see how much it will cost to to build it [20-Mar-25 07:18 PM] jcheung#0000 try `cxm bbh` in a new buffer [20-Mar-25 07:18 PM] jcheung#0000 and so on for each material [20-Mar-25 07:18 PM] jcheung#0000 or if you're building in prunplanner, you can set up market information and it'll give you a rough idea at a glance [20-Mar-25 07:21 PM] tanda#0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi-i6rLZMaQ please watch this {Embed} Lord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi-i6rLZMaQ How to use Prunplanner for Prosperous Universe Hopefully this video helps you understand how to set up Prunplanner, if you have any questions please leave them below --Links-- The official Prosp discord https://discord.gg/YkwpJ2hdDE Link to Prunplanner https://prunplanner.org/ Background audio used https://youtu.be/EM5KwkTQzsE Ending music from Sweet Cafe https://youtu.be/6DhONAQfEVg https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/DSq6GXwpy1FwDBpBlIBMy2TpSSXULzOp4ckXQXPKUp0/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/Vi-i6rLZMaQ/maxresdefault.jpg [20-Mar-25 07:21 PM] spinydeath#0000 Got it to work i forgot a step [20-Mar-25 07:21 PM] tanda#0000 okay ๐Ÿ‘ [20-Mar-25 07:25 PM] spinydeath#0000 Would it be smart to max out current building space when i make a new base or should i be conservative [20-Mar-25 07:26 PM] tanda#0000 max out each base before moving on, in most cases [20-Mar-25 07:26 PM] tanda#0000 there's some times not maxing out a base is a smart step (usually either because it produces something niche, or because it's a shipping hassle) [20-Mar-25 07:26 PM] jab.sh#0000 DNPC (Deimos-Nike Production Co-operative), it's a coop that makes BBH/BSE [20-Mar-25 07:27 PM] sansemin#0000 I found it, looks interesting [20-Mar-25 07:27 PM] sansemin#0000 Which bases are needed atm? [20-Mar-25 07:28 PM] jab.sh#0000 2 more Deimos and 2 Nike, Deimos is the priority both because it makes the raw materials and because the only way to get there is to start over since it's full. [20-Mar-25 07:29 PM] sansemin#0000 I can COLIQ to Deimos {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [20-Mar-25 07:29 PM] jab.sh#0000 let me shoot you a discord invite {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [20-Mar-25 07:30 PM] spinydeath#0000 Do i just screen shot the plan into the AGP channel and start the application for the grant [20-Mar-25 07:31 PM] tanda#0000 yes, that's pretty standard procedure [20-Mar-25 07:32 PM] tanda#0000 or you can link it by the "share" button on the top right [20-Mar-25 07:32 PM] spinydeath#0000 okay thank you [20-Mar-25 07:32 PM] spinydeath#0000 Sorry to be annoying but what if it doesnt cost the whole 1mil and i use some for operating funds to make it run good until i get the production to profit [20-Mar-25 07:35 PM] tanda#0000 That's actually the best idea [20-Mar-25 07:35 PM] tanda#0000 (to not use it all for construction and reserve some for consumables and goods to process) [20-Mar-25 07:35 PM] tanda#0000 DDT isn't really cheap either, so having the extra buffer will work out better for you [20-Mar-25 07:36 PM] spinydeath#0000 Yeah thats what i was worried about right now its 15385 a day for the ddt to operate [20-Mar-25 07:37 PM] marat_sh#0000 How much DDT do you need? I might be able to help you out with first 2 weeks [20-Mar-25 07:38 PM] spinydeath#0000 according to prun i need 3.08 a day to make 4 her per farm at a time on 5 farms [20-Mar-25 07:38 PM] marat_sh#0000 Oh, I forgot that I've sold some already. I have 360 left [20-Mar-25 07:38 PM] marat_sh#0000 oh [20-Mar-25 07:39 PM] spinydeath#0000 depending on price i might buy 100 to 200 to start i have to see how it will work out I have not done the math yet [20-Mar-25 07:39 PM] spinydeath#0000 never mind just did the math cant afford that [20-Mar-25 07:40 PM] marat_sh#0000 sorry I wasn't following the conversation. Are you new to ADI? if yes I can give you 200 DDT as a welcome [20-Mar-25 07:40 PM] spinydeath#0000 Yes i am moving to the system to start a base [20-Mar-25 07:41 PM] spinydeath#0000 Im still new to the game and only work with water Tanda was helping me figure out a HER base in ADI [20-Mar-25 07:41 PM] marat_sh#0000 ah I see [20-Mar-25 07:41 PM] marat_sh#0000 I will send you contract I should be able to deliver 200 to ANT in a few hours [20-Mar-25 07:41 PM] marat_sh#0000 should help you to get things started [20-Mar-25 07:42 PM] spinydeath#0000 That would be awesome I still havent finshed the plan to apply for the grant so could you hold off until i make the base [20-Mar-25 07:42 PM] marat_sh#0000 Alright I will keep them for you once you are done [20-Mar-25 07:42 PM] marat_sh#0000 @ me [20-Mar-25 07:43 PM] spinydeath#0000 Thank you so much {Reactions} ๐Ÿค [20-Mar-25 07:46 PM] marat_sh#0000 looking at the prices for DDT I might need another base ๐Ÿ’€ [20-Mar-25 08:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m running two right now and that seems to work pretty well [20-Mar-25 08:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 Donโ€™t drive the price down too far ๐Ÿ˜„ [20-Mar-25 08:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 I don't go lower than this [20-Mar-25 08:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1352447868199243776/image.png?ex=6814c2fb&is=6813717b&hm=a4910e22afcab6c61e6ab2ff425b881560885d599a6ff1910559791b1153b358& [20-Mar-25 08:05 PM] marat_sh#0000 so like 4700/u [20-Mar-25 08:05 PM] marat_sh#0000 4600/u max [20-Mar-25 08:06 PM] marat_sh#0000 I don't like doing 4690/u like 10 AIC lower than other offer I would rather wait for their offer to fill and wait my turn at the same price [20-Mar-25 08:06 PM] marat_sh#0000 If I am undercutting someone it's 100/u at least [20-Mar-25 08:08 PM] sidepipe#0000 Same - I try not to get into penny wars ๐Ÿ˜„ [20-Mar-25 08:09 PM] sidepipe#0000 Though I will stoop to 50/u lower than the next offer [20-Mar-25 08:10 PM] marat_sh#0000 yeah if it's 3 digit price I do 50/u as well [20-Mar-25 08:10 PM] marat_sh#0000 if it's 4 digit I do 100/u [20-Mar-25 08:13 PM] sidepipe#0000 I just wanted to clarify because my most recent order was 50/u below yours ๐Ÿ˜‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [20-Mar-25 08:18 PM] marat_sh#0000 I didn't notice ๐Ÿ˜… [20-Mar-25 08:18 PM] marat_sh#0000 it got sold anyway ๐Ÿ’ต [21-Mar-25 01:50 PM] evany.#0000 i just list at same price [21-Mar-25 02:04 PM] jab.sh#0000 is there anyone on Deimos with a SME base willing to join DNPC? we just need one more Deimos base at this point [21-Mar-25 02:38 PM] wikifeia#0000 Sure, I'm down to take a look at it, though I don't know anything about DNPC {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [21-Mar-25 02:38 PM] wikifeia#0000 I have fully set up SME bases on Deimos and Vulcan producing AL from ALO that I'm mining on Nascent [21-Mar-25 08:18 PM] wikifeia#0000 Man is everyone just getting LST from EXT bases on Nike? [21-Mar-25 08:19 PM] wikifeia#0000 yk-715c seems like such a wasted opportunity, it's just so remote that basically nobody's settled there [21-Mar-25 08:21 PM] marat_sh#0000 I get it from nike But only because of convenience [21-Mar-25 08:22 PM] marat_sh#0000 Don't use whole lot of LST myself yet so 1 Nike base covers most of it + left some for CX [21-Mar-25 08:24 PM] wikifeia#0000 The mismatched cogc is just a peeve, i'd rather produce as much as i possibly can and then sell what I don't need [21-Mar-25 08:25 PM] wikifeia#0000 wish we had more resource extraction cogc's in ant space [21-Mar-25 08:26 PM] marat_sh#0000 difference between matching cogc and not matching is 20k/d [21-Mar-25 08:26 PM] marat_sh#0000 not a big deal when I make over 100k per day from LST base [21-Mar-25 08:26 PM] tanda#0000 outside of resource taps for high volume goods (or smelting) RE is a wasted COGC [21-Mar-25 08:27 PM] tanda#0000 and by high volume I mean gases, water, ALO [21-Mar-25 08:27 PM] tanda#0000 nothing else gets used in that kind of volumes [21-Mar-25 08:27 PM] wikifeia#0000 the trouble is that many of our RE are placed on planets with specialized goods [21-Mar-25 08:28 PM] wikifeia#0000 LST, FEO, H, and other gases no? [21-Mar-25 08:28 PM] marat_sh#0000 gases / water / ALO / HAL / BTS are the ones I consider worth cogc [21-Mar-25 08:29 PM] tanda#0000 LST isn't that fast of consumption comparatively . BFABs are almost not worth making anymore, everything else just sips LST, rather than chugging it [21-Mar-25 08:29 PM] tanda#0000 FEO, not really. Vulcan and other planets with metallurgy are fine [21-Mar-25 08:30 PM] tanda#0000 and I stated gases above [21-Mar-25 08:30 PM] tanda#0000 HAL is a miss on my books, BTS is.... weird and specialized, but almost all of those planets are too expensive for anything other than BTS extraction [21-Mar-25 08:30 PM] tanda#0000 It takes a lot more time to make something out of most raw materials than it does to extract them [21-Mar-25 08:31 PM] marat_sh#0000 example of onsite use of raw resource [21-Mar-25 08:31 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/b413ef3c-d7d8-41b6-b948-c77b865393d5 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/b413ef3c-d7d8-41b6-b948-c77b865393d5 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [21-Mar-25 08:32 PM] marat_sh#0000 I run slight deficit of N on what considered a good RE cogc for N [21-Mar-25 08:32 PM] wikifeia#0000 but there's always demand for raw materials. if you make the building blocks cheaper, you'll make everything else cheaper. increasing prod on every nike base that now doesn't have to produce its own LST would have knock on effects [21-Mar-25 08:33 PM] tanda#0000 no, if you make the building blocks cheaper, you run into more shipping issues [21-Mar-25 08:33 PM] tanda#0000 It's why I vertically integrate both BRM and CLI, because nobody will ever sell that below 300-400/unit, and it's not even really worth 75 [21-Mar-25 08:34 PM] tanda#0000 and from the best I can tell, LST is produced by a few people just running EXT on Nike, without mixing. We've all done mixed, I'm sure, but that's not where the serious LST production comes from [21-Mar-25 08:35 PM] marat_sh#0000 less time you spend clicking on shipping raw resources better your life will be [21-Mar-25 08:35 PM] wikifeia#0000 idk i figure there's a lot of money to be made if you're willing to invest time in logistics [21-Mar-25 08:35 PM] tanda#0000 I looked into doing vertical production on Tiezendor. I was not impressed. It was a lot of effort and multiple permits to produce not a lot of profit [21-Mar-25 08:36 PM] tanda#0000 sure, but logistics have cost, and costs must be passed on to stay profitable [21-Mar-25 08:36 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1352818235560693760/image.png?ex=6814ca69&is=681378e9&hm=39b1cabdf5c4a6b055cee609f5f7941c538729f0eee7e72c990d9cf5e1d76e7f& [21-Mar-25 08:37 PM] marat_sh#0000 slaped nike LST extraction base suddenly Top5 [21-Mar-25 08:37 PM] marat_sh#0000 not even full experts yet [21-Mar-25 08:37 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, that's about what I would expect. I'm just cutting out BFABs from production [21-Mar-25 08:37 PM] tanda#0000 call it opportunity cost for increased LFAB and RFAB production [21-Mar-25 08:37 PM] wikifeia#0000 idk it's just a shame that we're limited to one base per planet lol [21-Mar-25 08:38 PM] tanda#0000 It's a game, it adds challenge [21-Mar-25 08:38 PM] tanda#0000 and we're not, really [21-Mar-25 08:38 PM] tanda#0000 It's just that's when you need to start organizing with people [21-Mar-25 08:38 PM] marat_sh#0000 I would love to see what the game would be if we had no permit limits ๐Ÿ˜… how far could we push numbers ๐Ÿ’ต [21-Mar-25 08:38 PM] tanda#0000 like Jean's base could feed 5-6 BFAB production bases [21-Mar-25 08:39 PM] wikifeia#0000 lmao i dont even really mind the permit system, by all means make settling progressively more expensive [21-Mar-25 08:39 PM] tanda#0000 my next permit costs 9mil. So I'm looking at how I can stack bases with other players even more now [21-Mar-25 08:39 PM] wikifeia#0000 it's just very annoying working within these constraints and trying to vertically integrate everything [21-Mar-25 08:39 PM] marat_sh#0000 permit limit I mean Area limit sorry [21-Mar-25 08:39 PM] tanda#0000 vertical integration on site is my new goal [21-Mar-25 08:40 PM] wikifeia#0000 idk after i set up shop with carbon production i think i probably will think about yk-715c and nike for construction [21-Mar-25 08:40 PM] wikifeia#0000 hoping by then i'll have at least two more ships [21-Mar-25 08:41 PM] tanda#0000 man, honestly pick any other planet than Tiezendor [21-Mar-25 08:41 PM] tanda#0000 I have a couple planets, Lom Palanka, and Black Mesa I need players to drop PP2 bases on [21-Mar-25 08:41 PM] tanda#0000 or go cheap and build on Aceland [21-Mar-25 08:41 PM] marat_sh#0000 I've got my first ship after 200 days of playing ๐Ÿ˜… With integration of resource extraction on site where use them and some WCBs ๐Ÿ˜… [21-Mar-25 08:41 PM] tanda#0000 but Tiezendor is expensive and far [21-Mar-25 08:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah I use a ridiculous amount of LST and most of it isnโ€™t even going to BFABs [21-Mar-25 08:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And the LM and CX are looking thinner and thinner [21-Mar-25 09:15 PM] jcheung#0000 i need to drop more construction but i'm having a hard time convincing myself to do it [21-Mar-25 09:17 PM] tanda#0000 I'm having a hard time convincing myself not to drop more construction [21-Mar-25 09:22 PM] vanarazor#0000 I 'd love to drop some consutrction planets [21-Mar-25 09:23 PM] vanarazor#0000 to stack them up for a few months [21-Mar-25 09:33 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm kinda not doing it because i know shipping is gonna be a bitch {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [21-Mar-25 10:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 buy more ships [21-Mar-25 10:39 PM] jcheung#0000 why don't you buy me more ships [21-Mar-25 10:39 PM] tanda#0000 why don't you buy you more ships [21-Mar-25 10:40 PM] jcheung#0000 money isn't as high as i would like [21-Mar-25 10:40 PM] jcheung#0000 what i used to pay rise for a ship i get like half to a third of one now [21-Mar-25 10:41 PM] tanda#0000 To be expected after having an entire ship building chain just stop [21-Mar-25 10:41 PM] jcheung#0000 i expect the prices to go up [21-Mar-25 11:18 PM] spinydeath#0000 anybody give low interest loans in here [21-Mar-25 11:18 PM] evov#0000 < haven't changed my ship prices since I started selling them 7+months ago. On a related note, it's probably more profitable to sell the parts on the CX. It's DEFINITELY more profitable to stop making the under-performing sections and just sell the juicy bits on the CX. [21-Mar-25 11:19 PM] tanda#0000 what are the under-performing sections? [21-Mar-25 11:19 PM] evov#0000 The bits I don't make much money on, but maintain production so I'm able to sell a complete ship ๐Ÿ™‚ [21-Mar-25 11:20 PM] tanda#0000 well, I think we'd quickly see them be money makers if you stopped making them [21-Mar-25 11:21 PM] tanda#0000 what are you looking for funding for? [21-Mar-25 11:22 PM] spinydeath#0000 @tanda to flesh out the rest of my base i need to build 10 rigs 5 fp and 5 hb1 [21-Mar-25 11:22 PM] evov#0000 The thing with ship parts.... they're mostly useless on their own. Increasing global production of engines, or field emitters etc.. doesn't increase global demand for those parts unless production of all the other parts increase in line with it. [21-Mar-25 11:25 PM] tanda#0000 sure, I get that. But if you stopped production of the non-glamorous bits, I think we'd see a price spike [21-Mar-25 11:25 PM] tanda#0000 because they're still necessary [21-Mar-25 11:25 PM] spinydeath#0000 @tanda I wanted to finish this base before my application for the grant is decided on so i can focus on the new base when it comes time move to antares {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [22-Mar-25 12:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 is there any liquidity for that though? [22-Mar-25 12:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 how many people actually buy ships from CX [22-Mar-25 12:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 dont know how it would even be possible because there are plenty of parts that have 0 sell orders [22-Mar-25 12:57 AM] evov#0000 In the last 6 days, I think I've sold about 20 mil worth of ship parts on the CX and about 44mil worth of complete ship sales ( someone bought 4x HCB ships ) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’€ [22-Mar-25 01:00 AM] evov#0000 I'll generally post any ship parts I have a healthy supply of + isn't already priced too low on the CX. [22-Mar-25 02:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 Damn, i guess its just low supply then, always see so many parts that have max 10 pieces up for sale lol [22-Mar-25 02:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 I guess they are all getting bought [22-Mar-25 03:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Ship and ship parts are slow sellers, so itโ€™s not unexpected to see just a few units on the market [22-Mar-25 08:30 AM] laaxus#0000 @Market Alerts {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1352997960140460135/image.png?ex=6814c90b&is=6813778b&hm=808555dca61b57f0804b79a7688bc10a1c84a821f1eec53f7d4dd76e70f1bbe9& [22-Mar-25 08:31 AM] laaxus#0000 No MTP [22-Mar-25 08:33 AM] pxlfox.#0000 told you, that there are bottlenecks ๐Ÿ˜… [22-Mar-25 08:36 AM] sidepipe#0000 Surprised that didnโ€™t happen earlier honestly [22-Mar-25 08:39 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353000142994800743/image0.gif?ex=6814cb13&is=68137993&hm=acc2cd32cd9860858d62fbdb1ae7c49aa9c3d6f2c3fb2ae73b3810ef572c59c3& [22-Mar-25 08:42 AM] laaxus#0000 Honestly, it really feels like key players left the game recently, and the market is slow at adapting [22-Mar-25 08:46 AM] evov#0000 A good way to check sometimes is to look at the production rankings difference between 180days and 30days. If a big producers leaves, it'll show up there. [22-Mar-25 08:53 AM] tanda#0000 yeah, I'm kinda surprised some of that MTP sold, since it was more than a bit overpriced [22-Mar-25 09:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 this are moments I wish I would produce food and not rocks xD [22-Mar-25 09:30 AM] tanda#0000 It wouldn't be very expensive to get started on food. an HER base and FP base are cheap and require very little shipping if you're doing FIM+ [22-Mar-25 09:31 AM] tanda#0000 It would take 5+ bases to run one MEA base full time, though. If anyone is interested in cooperating with each other {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353013166317240391/Screenshot_2025-03-18_181310.png?ex=6814d734&is=681385b4&hm=0d9e765e3c8f9dcabb1457bca98c796f6f94c102cefcc0a3c5b45ab5348f2169& [22-Mar-25 09:36 AM] jcheung#0000 Technically [22-Mar-25 09:37 AM] jcheung#0000 You can go more or less based on a few factors [22-Mar-25 09:37 AM] laaxus#0000 Her is as little shipping intensive as it can be [22-Mar-25 09:37 AM] laaxus#0000 I send a ship once every 20 days [22-Mar-25 09:37 AM] laaxus#0000 it's quite nice [22-Mar-25 09:37 AM] laaxus#0000 especially for beginners [22-Mar-25 09:37 AM] jcheung#0000 Because you can choose to either make your own PPA, or not. Or make RATs. Or make dyhydrogenmonoxide. [22-Mar-25 09:38 AM] jcheung#0000 Or your "mea base" is actually combined mtp and mea [22-Mar-25 09:39 AM] tanda#0000 well, I did specify "run full time". You can do all sorts of things to change up the stack, but it's all just downsizing existing processes [22-Mar-25 09:39 AM] jcheung#0000 Well then, could still easily be more [22-Mar-25 09:39 AM] jcheung#0000 Again, can add ppa, rats, h2o, hyf into the mix [22-Mar-25 09:41 AM] sidepipe#0000 ...isn't that still 5+ bases? ๐Ÿ˜„ [22-Mar-25 09:41 AM] realharvey#0000 FIM and MEA dont sell as fast as other beginner items. So it does have downsides [22-Mar-25 10:18 AM] evov#0000 There's always fairly competitive buy orders up for FIM/MEA - IDC farmers need MEA in bulk. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [22-Mar-25 10:42 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353031099210665994/image.png?ex=6814e7e8&is=68139668&hm=3a4aff24c379419ae46fb3caf6c70ac999fca216fa16443df9c5ccd136d5d09b& [22-Mar-25 10:44 AM] tanda#0000 Looks pretty easy to me. I would set it up and get involved if my permits were cheap enough, but the whole of the bases' cost is somewhere around 7mil for all of it. (with the IVP base being the majority of the cost) [22-Mar-25 10:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 I have a norwick FIM base going rn, would be open to colaborate [22-Mar-25 05:52 PM] tanda#0000 anybody shipping to Nike JR any time soon? [22-Mar-25 05:53 PM] tanda#0000 I forgot to send an input [22-Mar-25 07:14 PM] tanda#0000 man, FLP hasn't been supplied in a bit {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353159959759814778/image.png?ex=6814b72a&is=681365aa&hm=0a52e8460509eb4c5924bf3ce510a41b35ae6e28d7a924ef045a95fdf651fdb4& {Reactions} hehe [22-Mar-25 07:14 PM] tanda#0000 looks like it's time to stop repairing ships again {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353160063455330467/image.png?ex=6814b743&is=681365c3&hm=84258bec9e1fe78167f738b7cac6427b712927bb978c9e5cc43e4b2c2bec05ef& [22-Mar-25 07:15 PM] tanda#0000 Or I'll just queue some in and bring the price back under control in a week or so [22-Mar-25 07:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 What building makes them? [22-Mar-25 07:18 PM] igfloz#0000 WEL [22-Mar-25 07:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Those make TRU yeah [22-Mar-25 07:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Hmm [22-Mar-25 07:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I might plop down some WEL and some PP1 [22-Mar-25 07:18 PM] tanda#0000 PP1s? [22-Mar-25 07:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah for BDE [22-Mar-25 07:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Using PE [22-Mar-25 07:19 PM] tanda#0000 ah, I was just doing that while I waited for I stockpiles. Seems really low profit [22-Mar-25 07:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah itโ€™s part of the Hal beginner subsidy program [22-Mar-25 07:19 PM] tanda#0000 WELs alright, and you can source HE off of me [22-Mar-25 07:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Give you a grant then sell you my wares [22-Mar-25 07:20 PM] igfloz#0000 Is HE moving normally ? maybe thats a blocker ? [22-Mar-25 07:20 PM] igfloz#0000 Oh, You kinda answered my Q Tanda [22-Mar-25 07:20 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353161487308423340/image.png?ex=6814b897&is=68136717&hm=e288e838e689c9f517b6ca5b8ec88330a3717ec13289fefd7469503cced8334b& [22-Mar-25 07:20 PM] tanda#0000 never fear, if we need more I can always drop a COGC on the planet [22-Mar-25 07:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So youโ€™re telling me to drop two permits worth of HQ upgrades to do this [22-Mar-25 07:23 PM] tanda#0000 IDK how everyone's doing on construction planets, but I've got Black Mesa and Lom Palanka ready to jump to SET [22-Mar-25 07:23 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353162178059833344/image.png?ex=6814b93b&is=681367bb&hm=98db57b6a9926ffe2db8b87b375f5da097e80bfaaa3cb2f175770092fad6f619& [22-Mar-25 07:23 PM] tanda#0000 This is what I'm eyeballing at this point [22-Mar-25 07:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have 4, I think [22-Mar-25 07:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Nike Nike jr aceland and it-816d [22-Mar-25 07:25 PM] tanda#0000 you've got 3 options that aren't far out: Antares 2 A, Black Mesa, and Lom Palanka. Otherwise, there's Kevin, Tiezendor, KI-401c [22-Mar-25 07:25 PM] tanda#0000 A2A is ready for you to drop a base there, should be able to support up to PP3s [22-Mar-25 07:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I can help you out with settlers in black mesa or Lom palanka [22-Mar-25 07:30 PM] tanda#0000 sweet! [22-Mar-25 07:30 PM] tanda#0000 that said, neither PP1's or WEL is going to employ SET [22-Mar-25 07:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think WEL do [22-Mar-25 07:31 PM] igfloz#0000 nope, only pio [22-Mar-25 07:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh wow youโ€™re right [22-Mar-25 07:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I guess it was my UPFs I had [22-Mar-25 07:33 PM] igfloz#0000 jeez, they aren't that big either....hmmm [22-Mar-25 07:33 PM] tanda#0000 I would ask someone to run a PP2 base there, but those are not looking too great [22-Mar-25 07:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 UPFs? [22-Mar-25 07:34 PM] igfloz#0000 no, I was looking at WEL [22-Mar-25 07:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh yeah [22-Mar-25 07:34 PM] igfloz#0000 I thought they were bigger [22-Mar-25 07:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 WEL are smol [22-Mar-25 07:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 UPFs are huge [22-Mar-25 07:35 PM] tanda#0000 17 WEL to a base is really nice [22-Mar-25 07:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I could move my UPFs [22-Mar-25 07:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 this is what it would be {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353165659810431046/image.png?ex=6814bc79&is=68136af9&hm=9c851eb843ca08c9adb2f0439d6837f0600f32dad72c5a5c4bfb61bf8e3f070c& [22-Mar-25 07:40 PM] tanda#0000 I could get that 2/3rds filled first week, full the second week [22-Mar-25 07:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ok cool cool [22-Mar-25 07:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I will HQ up build the base [22-Mar-25 07:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 then once it is buttoned up nice tear down the old one [22-Mar-25 07:50 PM] tanda#0000 alright, sounds good. Thanks for your support! [22-Mar-25 07:50 PM] jcheung#0000 tempting [22-Mar-25 07:52 PM] tanda#0000 I would say if you're going to do a PP2, don't do it on Black Mesa [22-Mar-25 07:53 PM] tanda#0000 it's ironically too far from Deimos [22-Mar-25 08:12 PM] jab.sh#0000 I'm back with a prunplanner question ๐Ÿ˜„ how do I calculate the weekly cost to _run this base_ (per week)? it's just a RIG base so if we assume the only cost is workforce + degradation, is it: `115.61*4.9*7` (4.9 is 1/20.41%) or `(118+91.52)*7`? or is it just `(58,310.00-38,483.55)*7` {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353174579731890208/screenshot_20250322190822.png?ex=6814c4c8&is=68137348&hm=8762ea7edd50483a0776c92e64ecf3902ec9093cd6f3f1bc6169d01164c1e9b3& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353174579975028776/screenshot_20250322191205.png?ex=6814c4c8&is=68137348&hm=9c434450411119153ec3edf5a651dd6074d61af83d927d7df4a98baa4426939b& [22-Mar-25 08:23 PM] sidepipe#0000 I think `115.61 x 4.9 x 7` per RIG is correct [22-Mar-25 08:26 PM] sidepipe#0000 and I believe that should match 58,310.00 - 38,483.55 * 7 [22-Mar-25 08:26 PM] sidepipe#0000 (i.e. you have 35 RIGs on this base, correct?) [22-Mar-25 08:26 PM] jab.sh#0000 ah, per rig? interesting [22-Mar-25 08:26 PM] jab.sh#0000 that makes sense [22-Mar-25 08:27 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, the COGM panel shows things per building / item (depending on where you look), and then the panel on the right is for the entire base [22-Mar-25 08:28 PM] sidepipe#0000 cause `115.61 x 4.9 x 7 x 35 = (58310 - 38483.55) x 7` {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [22-Mar-25 08:29 PM] jab.sh#0000 excellent thank you [22-Mar-25 11:58 PM] spinydeath#0000 hey since im making a base in antares in the next day or two am i going to be moved to member [22-Mar-25 11:59 PM] jcheung#0000 once established, mention it again [22-Mar-25 11:59 PM] spinydeath#0000 gotcha thank you [23-Mar-25 01:12 AM] vanarazor#0000 who should get my vote @sidepipe @.urpalhal @pagy1234 ?? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353249911122034709/image.png?ex=68150af0&is=6813b970&hm=76251846196d8788a8da21123af3c1ce1a7e841caad5aae8a6b994649dfe8340& [23-Mar-25 01:12 AM] vanarazor#0000 I feel like this answers the question!! [23-Mar-25 01:12 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353250110095757322/image.png?ex=68150b20&is=6813b9a0&hm=0ae4f62571c70fd3428179f62853faacd931f97eda2ef9f9d60cef7990e05416& [23-Mar-25 01:13 AM] pagy1234#0000 lmao [23-Mar-25 01:13 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah hake hal the govenor [23-Mar-25 01:20 AM] vanarazor#0000 on the other hand I could use some : [23-Mar-25 01:20 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353252119343534131/image.png?ex=68150cff&is=6813bb7f&hm=f8abcdb94574859b946a9ebf1b7e09279328c80ebc215a1fd941a79e7596a571& [23-Mar-25 01:29 AM] tanda#0000 don't invite a governorship on yourself right now, lol [23-Mar-25 01:29 AM] tanda#0000 It's not a great job [23-Mar-25 01:29 AM] vanarazor#0000 OHHHH I ll stay in the parliament, I think that was the plan [23-Mar-25 01:30 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I would recommend being MP [23-Mar-25 01:30 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh lol [23-Mar-25 01:30 AM] vanarazor#0000 I think I need a beer {Reactions} nookhaha [23-Mar-25 01:30 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But uh donโ€™t let xepiov be in the gov on Halcyon [23-Mar-25 01:31 AM] vanarazor#0000 can't you vote for yourself Hal so at least you' ve got 2 ? [23-Mar-25 01:31 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh yeah I can [23-Mar-25 01:32 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But Iโ€™m on mobile [23-Mar-25 01:32 AM] vanarazor#0000 I gave my vote to apple so he gets a chance to be MP as well {Reactions} ๐Ÿค [23-Mar-25 01:32 AM] .urpalhal#0000 So itโ€™s a pain rn [23-Mar-25 01:32 AM] vanarazor#0000 ans not xepiov [23-Mar-25 01:32 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s bed time for me [23-Mar-25 01:32 AM] vanarazor#0000 roggie [23-Mar-25 01:34 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh wow [23-Mar-25 01:34 AM] .urpalhal#0000 It wasnโ€™t too bad on mobile [23-Mar-25 01:34 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Just find the start of election not and click [23-Mar-25 01:34 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Then vote [23-Mar-25 05:11 AM] realharvey#0000 Harvey Industries doing great. ๐Ÿ‘€ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353310181181620224/image.png?ex=68149a52&is=681348d2&hm=f004159caa7c5ecce725ebb9b51c7b8f6eb8ee621453d0208b05234615c590a5& [23-Mar-25 05:21 AM] vanarazor#0000 far out300K daily repair [23-Mar-25 05:21 AM] vanarazor#0000 crazy [23-Mar-25 05:22 AM] vanarazor#0000 that daily margin is scary [23-Mar-25 05:22 AM] vanarazor#0000 how can you sustain that? [23-Mar-25 05:38 AM] laaxus#0000 how is it even possible to lose money [23-Mar-25 05:38 AM] laaxus#0000 what are you doing ? [23-Mar-25 05:42 AM] realharvey#0000 I am in the HCB/WAL/W business. Those goods arent really traded on the CX alot which makes the RPRUN calculation useless [23-Mar-25 05:43 AM] laaxus#0000 I see [23-Mar-25 05:43 AM] realharvey#0000 Its this base killing all my profit. But in reality I do also make profit with that step {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353318239135858720/image.png?ex=6814a1d3&is=68135053&hm=dec68441c92a28a1849a172112b157dadd2e1bf7a7c53921a5acc4cf32998d95& [23-Mar-25 05:44 AM] evov#0000 It's probably still reading the "price" of HCB's to be 3.7mil. Which is why it thinks you're losing money. [23-Mar-25 05:46 AM] realharvey#0000 with 800k revenue on that base I think it calculates HCB's with 0 [23-Mar-25 06:13 AM] pagy1234#0000 what happened๐Ÿ˜ญ [23-Mar-25 06:14 AM] pagy1234#0000 outrageous [23-Mar-25 07:08 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 How dp you have a revenue of 10.8 million a day??? Woww [23-Mar-25 07:09 AM] laaxus#0000 have many bases [23-Mar-25 07:10 AM] laaxus#0000 and do expensive recipes [23-Mar-25 07:10 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 .... [23-Mar-25 07:10 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 thats crazy revenue thi [23-Mar-25 07:10 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Tho* [23-Mar-25 07:10 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 How many bases does harvey have? [23-Mar-25 07:10 AM] laaxus#0000 many [23-Mar-25 07:11 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 I think my daily revenue is like 5 million. It took a long time to get here tho [23-Mar-25 07:11 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353340296204779712/image.png?ex=6814b65e&is=681364de&hm=d09f766544e03cd1d67c460e4d15c8f8763e48f9d685021dcd926cabecdba8ee& [23-Mar-25 07:11 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Didnt answer me question tho [23-Mar-25 07:11 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 How does he get permits.... [23-Mar-25 07:11 AM] laaxus#0000 that's the whole point of the game : it takes time [23-Mar-25 07:11 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Yea i know [23-Mar-25 07:12 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 28 bases [23-Mar-25 07:12 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Holy shit [23-Mar-25 07:12 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Thats double my bases xD [23-Mar-25 07:15 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 I wanna lower SF prices in ANT [23-Mar-25 07:15 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Wait 2 days ๐Ÿ˜„ [23-Mar-25 07:39 AM] realharvey#0000 29th base is already on its way. HQ upgrade is done. [23-Mar-25 07:39 AM] realharvey#0000 Revenue is so high because I produce a lot of higher tier goods [23-Mar-25 07:51 AM] pagy1234#0000 how do you have 5 mil revenue on ~14 bases?? [23-Mar-25 08:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 I got 5 bases but just 877k revenue [23-Mar-25 08:04 AM] laaxus#0000 revenue doesn't matter [23-Mar-25 08:05 AM] laaxus#0000 you should at either roi or profit per day [23-Mar-25 08:06 AM] pagy1234#0000 I got 470k profit per day :D [23-Mar-25 08:07 AM] laaxus#0000 nice nice [23-Mar-25 08:07 AM] pagy1234#0000 and average ROI at around 10-11 days i think [23-Mar-25 08:19 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 I make a lot of high tier stuff ^_^ [23-Mar-25 08:47 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353364594751569930/image.png?ex=6814ccff&is=68137b7f&hm=19199d064f779b60cba4fc6daab25e44182dd20490a4fccebe9f36faab301348& [23-Mar-25 08:47 AM] tanda#0000 22 bases, so just making higher tier stuff generally means instantly high revenue [23-Mar-25 09:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 damn [23-Mar-25 09:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 what type of stuff do you make? [23-Mar-25 09:16 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353371920732520530/image.png?ex=6814d3d2&is=68138252&hm=856cfdb9670fcb5b2ea0a5c739da1559ca463538824e48cc5f01c8e9e80efa7a& [23-Mar-25 09:17 AM] tanda#0000 Pretty much it's probably going to look something like this [23-Mar-25 09:19 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh, so you dont have entire bases making 1 item, seems like you have some PP3's making all different R-fabs, and a CHP base making all sorts of chemicals [23-Mar-25 09:20 AM] tanda#0000 Yeah, I tend to do multi-purpose bases. my one CHP base makes REA and everything that comes off of it. My POL base is hybrid with TNP for TCS and ETC production [23-Mar-25 09:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 damn, I been thinking about a CHP base to make all sorts of stuff [23-Mar-25 09:21 AM] tanda#0000 and I really don't need 30+ any particular RFAB a day, so I just have one making all 4 [23-Mar-25 09:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 I always limit myself with some items when I see weird pink items that I need, but If i could make them myself then I would actually do them [23-Mar-25 09:21 AM] tanda#0000 but on the other hand, I have 4 bases making just INS [23-Mar-25 09:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 dayum [23-Mar-25 09:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 thats kinda insane [23-Mar-25 09:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 thats your main seller i guess? [23-Mar-25 09:22 AM] tanda#0000 my predecessor had something like 8-9 at peak? but he didn't do strraight PP3 builds [23-Mar-25 09:22 AM] tanda#0000 It makes me a lot of money, yeah. #1 Production on the server for that particular good [23-Mar-25 09:23 AM] pagy1234#0000 dayum [23-Mar-25 09:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 i guess I gotta focus on something [23-Mar-25 09:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 rn I just got DW [23-Mar-25 09:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 but taiyi makes like 115k of that a day so not really a market I could be a leader in or smt [23-Mar-25 09:25 AM] tanda#0000 yeah, but Taiyi makes 50k per day and the market is still not satisfied [23-Mar-25 09:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 hmm.. [23-Mar-25 09:25 AM] tanda#0000 actually, Taiyi's not the market leader there [23-Mar-25 09:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah its tiakia [23-Mar-25 09:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 just saw that aswell [23-Mar-25 09:26 AM] tanda#0000 and their production boils down to 20k per day [23-Mar-25 09:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 but I dont think they sell in ant space [23-Mar-25 09:27 AM] tanda#0000 Welp, I took #1 spot on MHL now too: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353374597558308875/image.png?ex=6814d650&is=681384d0&hm=b9f7a9a1e50786b226071cd98c1dafb128b1146cf06dfb4f9d96872ee059852e& [23-Mar-25 09:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 damn [23-Mar-25 09:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 nice [23-Mar-25 09:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 I think if I just play more, il find something to make a bunch of [23-Mar-25 09:28 AM] tanda#0000 Yeah, I just went with what I thought was cool, but difficult enough to be a challenge [23-Mar-25 09:28 AM] tanda#0000 so my empire specializes mostly in niche building materials like INS and MHL [23-Mar-25 09:28 AM] tanda#0000 now I just have to lay the groundwork for future expansion >.> [23-Mar-25 09:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 i might look for something simmilar [23-Mar-25 09:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 not too easy like DW, but still sells, like INS i guess [23-Mar-25 09:36 AM] tanda#0000 TBH, with Jvaler stepping out from the game for a bit, our INS production is down. They had two bases just making INS [23-Mar-25 09:37 AM] tanda#0000 I might be top producer, but I don't make enough [23-Mar-25 09:40 AM] pagy1234#0000 maybe i should do that :D [23-Mar-25 09:42 AM] tanda#0000 check out #kevin-information . We treat INS production as a bit of a coop here in ADI [23-Mar-25 09:42 AM] tanda#0000 It especially helps because it's really hard to sustain an AR tap [23-Mar-25 09:44 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh cool [23-Mar-25 09:44 AM] pagy1234#0000 il take a look on that [23-Mar-25 09:44 AM] pagy1234#0000 rn tho i gotta repay my 2.5 mil of loans D: [23-Mar-25 09:44 AM] tanda#0000 lol, fair [23-Mar-25 12:46 PM] potaterror#0000 I keep wanting to migrate away from food production, but the market keeps pulling me back in... [23-Mar-25 12:47 PM] tanda#0000 It's going to be like that for a long time, I think [23-Mar-25 12:50 PM] laaxus#0000 everybody wants to leave food market [23-Mar-25 12:50 PM] laaxus#0000 so price adjust until not everybody wants to leave food market [23-Mar-25 12:50 PM] laaxus#0000 classic [23-Mar-25 12:51 PM] potaterror#0000 If I don't manage it by the time my pro sub runs low, I'm just going to pick up a supporter package and ask Molp to rename my corp Quality Pints and steer into it. [23-Mar-25 12:51 PM] tanda#0000 is the QP tag open? [23-Mar-25 12:52 PM] potaterror#0000 Yep [23-Mar-25 12:52 PM] laaxus#0000 reminder that this game encourage bases' diversity [23-Mar-25 12:53 PM] laaxus#0000 I would rather everybody having 1-2 agri bases [23-Mar-25 12:53 PM] laaxus#0000 than somebody producing in other factions ( ๐Ÿคฎ ) [23-Mar-25 12:53 PM] potaterror#0000 I've actually got a fair bit of diversity, it's just that a big chunk are sunk into that sector. [23-Mar-25 12:53 PM] laaxus#0000 I've dropped my second FP base on hermes yesterday ๐Ÿ˜„ [23-Mar-25 12:54 PM] laaxus#0000 I believe it's a good investment ๐Ÿ’ฐ [23-Mar-25 12:54 PM] laaxus#0000 @.urpalhal how do I get the dog emote [23-Mar-25 12:55 PM] potaterror#0000 Y-yeah, can't have those people in other factions doing all the lifting and distributing in ANT space. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353426854010421380/tg1-shocked-1276130150.gif?ex=681506fb&is=6813b57b&hm=2554e1aebef21307fc568b2357cb41037d42e469533b315fea5207504bc54c16& [23-Mar-25 12:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Crafty Controller server [23-Mar-25 12:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ve got 4 FP bases and counting! [23-Mar-25 12:56 PM] laaxus#0000 uh [23-Mar-25 12:56 PM] laaxus#0000 Am i gonna join servers just for emote now ? [23-Mar-25 12:56 PM] laaxus#0000 maybe [23-Mar-25 12:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol [23-Mar-25 12:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Or we could make our own here [23-Mar-25 12:56 PM] laaxus#0000 I wish we could import emotes [23-Mar-25 12:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean it is from a video [23-Mar-25 12:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It shouldnโ€™t be too hard to clip crop and gif-a-fy [23-Mar-25 12:57 PM] jab.sh#0000 you can just upload it here [23-Mar-25 12:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 :DancieBoi: {Reactions} DancieBoi (3) [23-Mar-25 12:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 [23-Mar-25 12:58 PM] jab.sh#0000 don't even need the video, just download and upload the emoji ๐Ÿ˜† [23-Mar-25 12:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 How do I do that? [23-Mar-25 12:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The emoji is from another discord server [23-Mar-25 01:04 PM] jab.sh#0000 find it in dev tools/network requests and just save it {Reactions} RSZeroShrugIDK [23-Mar-25 01:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah idk how to do that [23-Mar-25 01:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i got the ctrl shift i thing to open [23-Mar-25 01:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 how to network req it? [23-Mar-25 01:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 is it here? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353431134951837860/image.png?ex=68150af8&is=6813b978&hm=9a3949c7c40d572865ab60be7fbc2d815b171f510e74acd63b1862da1b0ab067& [23-Mar-25 01:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 hm I got the image [23-Mar-25 01:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/914192177943433256.webp?size=20&animated=true {Embed} https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/914192177943433256.webp?size=20&animated=true https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/5ZGnWhg_fxCo6G_THUGwMCbPwRTL0ZX0zOBmNvfQhBo/%3Fsize%3D20%26animated%3Dtrue/https/cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/914192177943433256.webp [23-Mar-25 01:21 PM] jab.sh#0000 nice [23-Mar-25 01:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 now to make it so it is our emoji and dances [23-Mar-25 01:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 :danceboi: [23-Mar-25 01:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 the quality is uh [23-Mar-25 01:22 PM] jab.sh#0000 what if you take off the size=20 [23-Mar-25 01:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 :DancieBoi::danceboi: [23-Mar-25 01:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 left is original right is the one i uploaded [23-Mar-25 01:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 not too shaby [23-Mar-25 01:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 wow I am hacker [23-Mar-25 01:24 PM] jab.sh#0000 they weren't synced up at first and it was hard to compare ๐Ÿ˜† but yeah looks the same [23-Mar-25 01:24 PM] jab.sh#0000 at least on mobile [23-Mar-25 01:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ah yeah I exited this channel and then pulled up anohter and then came back and they synced up [23-Mar-25 01:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol is this ping worthy [23-Mar-25 01:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 guess what :danceboi: [23-Mar-25 01:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353434760688439409/image.png?ex=68150e58&is=6813bcd8&hm=3bd1add4165961ce6c352a3e226a0947005f9c9c2b11943d7d106a52c5b18a62& {Reactions} SHPT danceboi (4) [23-Mar-25 01:27 PM] laaxus#0000 LETS GOOO [23-Mar-25 01:27 PM] laaxus#0000 :danceboi: [23-Mar-25 01:27 PM] laaxus#0000 hey [23-Mar-25 01:27 PM] jab.sh#0000 hey [23-Mar-25 01:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 :danceboi: [23-Mar-25 01:27 PM] laaxus#0000 why doesn't it work >: [23-Mar-25 01:27 PM] jab.sh#0000 you still need nitro [23-Mar-25 01:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 what [23-Mar-25 01:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 why [23-Mar-25 01:27 PM] laaxus#0000 oh true [23-Mar-25 01:27 PM] jab.sh#0000 it's animated [23-Mar-25 01:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ah [23-Mar-25 01:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 dookie {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [23-Mar-25 01:28 PM] laaxus#0000 100โ‚ฌ per year [23-Mar-25 01:28 PM] laaxus#0000 uh [23-Mar-25 01:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 :PES_Sad: [23-Mar-25 01:28 PM] laaxus#0000 I love the dog, but maybe 100โ‚ฌ for the dog is too much [23-Mar-25 01:29 PM] jab.sh#0000 100โ‚ฌ/year for danceboi, totally worth [23-Mar-25 01:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i can't tell you how to spend your money [23-Mar-25 01:29 PM] jab.sh#0000 would you rather have prun pro or danceboi [23-Mar-25 01:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 what about nitro basic? [23-Mar-25 01:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 looks like $30 a year so probs same for euros [23-Mar-25 01:33 PM] laaxus#0000 :danceboi: {Reactions} DancieBoi (2) danceboi (2) [23-Mar-25 01:33 PM] laaxus#0000 30โ‚ฌ a year is acceptable [23-Mar-25 01:33 PM] jab.sh#0000 the mad lad did it [23-Mar-25 01:34 PM] tanda#0000 eyyyyyy [23-Mar-25 01:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Very nice [23-Mar-25 02:14 PM] finestone#0000 :danceboi: [23-Mar-25 03:53 PM] spinydeath#0000 Anybody know why Prun states my construction materials is only 358 t but when i bought them its 546 t [23-Mar-25 03:58 PM] tanda#0000 space and mass are swapped on that screen [23-Mar-25 03:58 PM] tanda#0000 it's a known bug [23-Mar-25 04:04 PM] spinydeath#0000 @marat_sh Hey i got everything going would you be able to send the DDT over my ship lands at AT1 in 8 hours them im going to start building my base. [23-Mar-25 04:58 PM] vanarazor#0000 in the construction planner you can select how many building are already built and how many you would like to build depending on that difference you ''ll get the weight and volume ratio of you construction order. switching your base configuration does not update your construction planner if you did not save + refreshed the page, it will simply highlight a different set of building built or not and left to build or not .. if it makes any sense. I 've made mistakes multiples times because of that. I'd would suggest you have a look at your construction planner summary. [23-Mar-25 04:59 PM] vanarazor#0000 ege: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353488402569498785/image.png?ex=6814978d&is=6813460d&hm=ebccd26186ae692c529228470675d5d2a38b10323beb4c2ed568215a30718b83& [23-Mar-25 05:00 PM] spinydeath#0000 @tanda Would it be a good idea once i get the money flowing from the HER base to make a DDT base aswell to lower cost [23-Mar-25 05:01 PM] tanda#0000 I would focus more on upcycling your HER because 1) it's cheaper and 2) It adds more value [23-Mar-25 05:01 PM] tanda#0000 DDT/CL is a lot of money to tie up in a precursor [23-Mar-25 05:01 PM] spinydeath#0000 would i just keep adding permits to make it bigger [23-Mar-25 05:02 PM] spinydeath#0000 I feel like permits are kinda expensive with the cost going up each time [23-Mar-25 05:02 PM] tanda#0000 no, Best plan would be to drop a HER base on all the fertile planets in the region, then use that to make more products [23-Mar-25 05:02 PM] tanda#0000 oh lord, you don't even know the half of it [23-Mar-25 05:02 PM] spinydeath#0000 ahh okay that is cheaper [23-Mar-25 05:02 PM] vanarazor#0000 on the other hand DDT is drying up up up [23-Mar-25 05:03 PM] tanda#0000 but for now @spinydeath, your permits are essentially free [23-Mar-25 05:03 PM] spinydeath#0000 So would making DDT base be good if i sell it [23-Mar-25 05:03 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353489280529600673/image.png?ex=6814985f&is=681346df&hm=dce66d6b87b88faab6ccfcf20b9b73fd2e67a644c2fd8ab49a05229aa8648d98& [23-Mar-25 05:03 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353489324024397946/image.png?ex=68149869&is=681346e9&hm=19c66aad48a7d33b4e3dbd2e74463994bc9ff571ff6984e3cac4f3921edddfbd& [23-Mar-25 05:03 PM] spinydeath#0000 yeah i have 3 at the moment i paid for one already [23-Mar-25 05:03 PM] vanarazor#0000 I envy you spiny death, but I would suggest you listen to Tanda [23-Mar-25 05:04 PM] spinydeath#0000 lol because its so cheap for me right now [23-Mar-25 05:04 PM] vanarazor#0000 oh man I wish I could drop more agri and FI planets [23-Mar-25 05:04 PM] tanda#0000 This is kinda what I mean when I'm trying to nudge you away from DDT at the moment {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353489673443348510/image.png?ex=681498bc&is=6813473c&hm=05e3c410e49317e1bde2b4d8a1f329a2c6388ff0fda733f1142fb2ea74c9320e& [23-Mar-25 05:05 PM] vanarazor#0000 jesus LAB is expensive [23-Mar-25 05:05 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353489795619487885/image.png?ex=681498d9&is=68134759&hm=124d28e6ea4099cb443c52122a9d021458528794b41750e596bb1060eea550bc& [23-Mar-25 05:05 PM] spinydeath#0000 wow thats expensive [23-Mar-25 05:05 PM] tanda#0000 It's not the LABs that are really expensive, so much as the CL needed to make the DDT [23-Mar-25 05:05 PM] tanda#0000 630k to fuel the base for 10 days [23-Mar-25 05:05 PM] spinydeath#0000 i feel like i should make a CL base and sell that [23-Mar-25 05:06 PM] spinydeath#0000 lol good profit [23-Mar-25 05:06 PM] tanda#0000 That would be very smart [23-Mar-25 05:06 PM] vanarazor#0000 kinda same as a PSL production [23-Mar-25 05:06 PM] tanda#0000 oh it's fantastic profit right now [23-Mar-25 05:06 PM] spinydeath#0000 im going to draft one up in PrUn to see that cost [23-Mar-25 05:06 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah CL base are cheap : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353490171345113221/image.png?ex=68149933&is=681347b3&hm=381554fc2c377b38ae5990759eb89afad2a2ee4f280db4dcd28a60a16bd5f269& [23-Mar-25 05:07 PM] tanda#0000 HAL's pretty cheap right now too with the right connections [23-Mar-25 05:07 PM] spinydeath#0000 What is the constuction cost [23-Mar-25 05:07 PM] vanarazor#0000 I mean I could coop with a DDT base if I could get some DDT back to me ?:) [23-Mar-25 05:08 PM] vanarazor#0000 800K CX AI1 [23-Mar-25 05:08 PM] spinydeath#0000 Thats not to bad [23-Mar-25 05:08 PM] vanarazor#0000 or less if you could find cheaper offer [23-Mar-25 05:08 PM] spinydeath#0000 i could make that quick the the her base [23-Mar-25 05:08 PM] tanda#0000 A coop base would be a great idea [23-Mar-25 05:09 PM] spinydeath#0000 How would i go about that with you @vanarazor [23-Mar-25 05:09 PM] vanarazor#0000 oh man I can't lend you any money for a LAB base [23-Mar-25 05:09 PM] vanarazor#0000 I produce some CL tho [23-Mar-25 05:09 PM] spinydeath#0000 ohh no i would make the money or get a loan from someone to start it up [23-Mar-25 05:10 PM] tanda#0000 I would offer but I just took a huge loan myself. Need to watch my income pretty closely so I don't miss payments [23-Mar-25 05:10 PM] spinydeath#0000 I feel you i already owe you Tanda {Reactions} danceboi (2) [23-Mar-25 05:10 PM] spinydeath#0000 lol [23-Mar-25 05:12 PM] vanarazor#0000 I assureyou, you are probably not the only one feeling that way [23-Mar-25 05:12 PM] spinydeath#0000 yeah i understand that the bank of tanda probably has a nice balance owed to him [23-Mar-25 05:14 PM] spinydeath#0000 If I did make a ddt coop base with Aaron would i just buy the materials ( still have the newb mindset of making everything instead of buying ) [23-Mar-25 05:14 PM] spinydeath#0000 the mats to make DDT to be specific [23-Mar-25 05:15 PM] tanda#0000 for the tiny amounts involved with DDT, yeah [23-Mar-25 05:15 PM] tanda#0000 CL is the only real expense for that recipe [23-Mar-25 05:16 PM] spinydeath#0000 okay gotcha that doesnt seem to bad [23-Mar-25 05:44 PM] sidepipe#0000 @spinydeath how much would you be looking to borrow for a CL base? [23-Mar-25 05:45 PM] sidepipe#0000 i can't do a large amount because I just wrote a huge loan myself, but if it's small enough I can probably get you sorted out ๐Ÿ™‚ [23-Mar-25 05:47 PM] spinydeath#0000 I would have to get my HER going first to know how my finances are but somewhere between 500k to 800k I might not even need that much in the first place [23-Mar-25 05:49 PM] sidepipe#0000 full disclosure - I use a lot of CL so I have a vested interest in making sure CX prices don't go too high ๐Ÿ˜„ [23-Mar-25 05:49 PM] spinydeath#0000 lol understandable i do want to make the base so it will be coming soon [23-Mar-25 05:49 PM] spinydeath#0000 Just need to finish making the HER base first [23-Mar-25 05:50 PM] sidepipe#0000 but if you're interested in a loan after you get your HER base going, let me know. A CL base is pretty straightforward if you have the shipping for it [23-Mar-25 05:50 PM] sidepipe#0000 CL was actually my 3rd base a long long time ago [23-Mar-25 05:50 PM] spinydeath#0000 I might need to use the PSK channel to get another ship [23-Mar-25 05:50 PM] spinydeath#0000 i only have my starter ships [23-Mar-25 05:53 PM] sidepipe#0000 that's what PSK is there for ๐Ÿ™‚ [23-Mar-25 05:53 PM] sidepipe#0000 but no rush or anything. take your time setting up your first base - CL isn't going anywhere ๐Ÿ˜„ [23-Mar-25 05:53 PM] spinydeath#0000 lol [23-Mar-25 05:54 PM] sidepipe#0000 it's been pretty consistently between 3000-4000 as long as I've played, and probably will only be going higher in the near future [23-Mar-25 05:54 PM] spinydeath#0000 I need to find a good planet for it so i can make a plan [23-Mar-25 05:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 Griffonstone is probably your best bet [23-Mar-25 05:56 PM] sidepipe#0000 Triple green, so no special materials. It technically has HAL as well, but you probably wouldn't wanna mine it there because the deposit isn't very rich [23-Mar-25 05:56 PM] spinydeath#0000 ohh yeah it has a bunch of free plots [23-Mar-25 05:57 PM] spinydeath#0000 so would i extract and chp on the same planet [23-Mar-25 05:58 PM] tanda#0000 that HAL deposit isn't all that rich, unfortunately. You'll waste a lot of space on EXT [23-Mar-25 05:58 PM] tanda#0000 but that is in the same region as Halcyon, so you can get it from the the LM board there pretty easily [23-Mar-25 05:59 PM] spinydeath#0000 so i would buy the HAL and just make a CHP base [23-Mar-25 05:59 PM] tanda#0000 yeah [23-Mar-25 05:59 PM] tanda#0000 saves you some overhead [23-Mar-25 06:00 PM] spinydeath#0000 is there a special type of planet for doing CHP stuff or does that not matter [23-Mar-25 06:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 yes - are you familiar with the COGC, or chamber of global commerce (i think that's what it stands for) [23-Mar-25 06:01 PM] archielvahr#0000 CHP is Chemistry COGC [23-Mar-25 06:01 PM] spinydeath#0000 Yeah kind of [23-Mar-25 06:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 so two places to look: [23-Mar-25 06:01 PM] spinydeath#0000 can i search for that on the universe map [23-Mar-25 06:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353503966691852348/image.png?ex=6814a60c&is=6813548c&hm=6fcc3e2113b4641f40bb973512710a61cff6617a877ad95eb94a0eb737cc5b1c& [23-Mar-25 06:01 PM] spinydeath#0000 Nice its on griffon [23-Mar-25 06:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 you can click through on the planet if you wanna see the COGC specialization for a specific planet [23-Mar-25 06:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 and I think you can use the planet search feature on prunplanner to find planets with a specific COGC [23-Mar-25 06:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 and if you wanna know where a specific building belongs, you can do `BUI building code` to find that: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353504331541905458/image.png?ex=6814a663&is=681354e3&hm=eeea1bd3556c50f3f8c7b650e0654a2beab0eebf1e2b7d2e4feadc2cd607c886& [23-Mar-25 06:03 PM] spinydeath#0000 Thank you [23-Mar-25 06:04 PM] spinydeath#0000 Halcyon seems far from Griffonstone but it does have a nice supply of HAL in the LM [23-Mar-25 06:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 anytime! if you've ever got questions, we're always happy to answer them here ๐Ÿ™‚ [23-Mar-25 06:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, it's like a 12 hour flight if I remember correctly, but it seems like everything in Antares is at least 12 hours apart [23-Mar-25 06:06 PM] spinydeath#0000 i noticed nice and spaced out [23-Mar-25 06:06 PM] spinydeath#0000 lol [23-Mar-25 06:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 yep ๐Ÿ˜… {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353505295296495748/image.png?ex=6814a749&is=681355c9&hm=fe6bb42a765f21853711f0df4583fe9671517df131db227cc89c4c8d0a3ec235& [23-Mar-25 06:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 gives you plenty of time to think about your next move though ๐Ÿ˜„ [23-Mar-25 06:07 PM] spinydeath#0000 yeah i have been wating 2 days to fly from promitor to AT2 [23-Mar-25 06:07 PM] spinydeath#0000 AT1 [23-Mar-25 06:09 PM] sidepipe#0000 A plot on promitor is worth it though - if nothing else, having your HQ there will give you a bonus to farming if I remember correctly [23-Mar-25 06:10 PM] spinydeath#0000 Its my first planet i thought i couldnt put my hq there [23-Mar-25 06:11 PM] spinydeath#0000 also is there a ship repair assistant like there is for buildings [23-Mar-25 06:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 I think you're thinking of the corp HQ - if you open the `HQ` buffer, you'll see where your company HQ is [23-Mar-25 06:12 PM] spinydeath#0000 ohh yeah i get 14 to agri and 9.3 to food [23-Mar-25 06:12 PM] sidepipe#0000 not that I know of. you can click on the ship name to see what it costs to repair the individual ship [23-Mar-25 06:12 PM] spinydeath#0000 dang it would be cool if there was [23-Mar-25 06:13 PM] sidepipe#0000 the rprun extension has an `XIT REPAIR` buffer that will show you everything that needs repaired (including ships), but I'm not sure if that's what you're looking for or not {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353507040433274920/image.png?ex=6814a8e9&is=68135769&hm=bfa309e57ff0923d0c150da99de4a214c3a25873a8c8be2cc03a55b667c0bc83& [23-Mar-25 06:14 PM] igfloz#0000 If you have Rprun add on installed, ships will show up in xit repairs [23-Mar-25 06:14 PM] spinydeath#0000 Im playing it on steam [23-Mar-25 06:14 PM] spinydeath#0000 I might start playing on the browser [23-Mar-25 06:15 PM] tanda#0000 I can't recommend it enough {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [23-Mar-25 06:17 PM] spinydeath#0000 I just got it but for some reason its not showing ships [23-Mar-25 06:17 PM] spinydeath#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353507905457885314/image.png?ex=6814a9b7&is=68135837&hm=de8f5e56b5fd634eff9950e726fb78dcc63948927f1b398bcbafbdea2fb1826e& [23-Mar-25 06:17 PM] spinydeath#0000 i fixed it [23-Mar-25 06:17 PM] spinydeath#0000 it was the age threshold [23-Mar-25 06:18 PM] spinydeath#0000 no ships how do i get it to show them {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353508297579171840/image.png?ex=6814aa15&is=68135895&hm=b1fccbdde58da6404147a779e3f3733b898a7d6e03f0fd5d35d8a154d7d9f129& [23-Mar-25 06:21 PM] sidepipe#0000 Not sure, but they probably donโ€™t need to be repaired yet - ships slow down when theyโ€™re damaged, but that doesnโ€™t start until 80% condition [23-Mar-25 06:22 PM] igfloz#0000 do you have a FLT buffer ? [23-Mar-25 06:22 PM] spinydeath#0000 okay i just looked at them and they are at 98 and 99 so its fine [23-Mar-25 06:22 PM] spinydeath#0000 and yeah i do igloz [23-Mar-25 06:25 PM] igfloz#0000 Good ! If you use rprun, this is an easy way to determine repair time {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353510089902002196/image.png?ex=6814abc0&is=68135a40&hm=a16359789c7e9c6044baaf2ac94d2c7da89f8cd99a0530f446d71296d0b89668& [23-Mar-25 06:27 PM] spinydeath#0000 is hb2 for planets with no atmosphere [23-Mar-25 06:28 PM] igfloz#0000 no, its for settlers [23-Mar-25 06:29 PM] igfloz#0000 open a buffer "BUI HB1" , "BUI HB2" etc. to see what the habitats are for [23-Mar-25 06:29 PM] marat_sh#0000 I am not going to be at home for a few days. Can you send me contact? [23-Mar-25 06:29 PM] spinydeath#0000 yeah [23-Mar-25 06:30 PM] spinydeath#0000 How do i make it free [23-Mar-25 06:31 PM] spinydeath#0000 ahh its no problem to pay 2 aic [23-Mar-25 06:32 PM] spinydeath#0000 @marat_sh Its sent [23-Mar-25 06:34 PM] spinydeath#0000 @vanarazor why is your profit so much higher then this plan {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353512144850911283/image.png?ex=6814adaa&is=68135c2a&hm=034284c3ed9cff8596cb393def5e921313a262cee256db3ec891a96a37f229a2& [23-Mar-25 06:34 PM] igfloz#0000 you have no experts, I think ?? [23-Mar-25 06:34 PM] sidepipe#0000 I donโ€™t remember posting a CHP plan, but Iโ€™m guessing experts [23-Mar-25 06:35 PM] spinydeath#0000 sorry that was aaron [23-Mar-25 06:36 PM] sidepipe#0000 Ah, gotcha ๐Ÿ˜„ [23-Mar-25 06:36 PM] spinydeath#0000 even when i add experts i dont break the 100k mark like his [23-Mar-25 06:38 PM] spinydeath#0000 I figured it out wrong CX [23-Mar-25 06:39 PM] spinydeath#0000 Is having -20 settler okay it drops efficiency down to 98.04 https://prunplanner.org/shared/3f210362-5f2c-4d33-8112-e153dbe996a2 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/3f210362-5f2c-4d33-8112-e153dbe996a2 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [23-Mar-25 06:39 PM] pagy1234#0000 Thats fine but generally you just want to be as close to filling the pop requirements [23-Mar-25 06:40 PM] pagy1234#0000 It just means u loose ~2% production speed [23-Mar-25 06:40 PM] spinydeath#0000 I found another combination that gives me the pop i need with 100% [23-Mar-25 06:41 PM] spinydeath#0000 just need to get some chem experts and I will break 100k/day [23-Mar-25 06:44 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I make W, WAL, SF, FF, IDC [23-Mar-25 06:44 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Also some plastics etc [23-Mar-25 07:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353521624581668926/image.png?ex=6814b67e&is=681364fe&hm=8d0dbc2bccacd0976461a1d04c83b657f0a1fa216d8a97dd3b3aae9b386c6f3b& [23-Mar-25 07:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 try this [23-Mar-25 07:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I was able to add one more STO [23-Mar-25 07:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 which will help with being able to fit the things you are making [23-Mar-25 07:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 it makes things a bit more expensive, but you can use the prices I have for LFABs to make it easier to build [23-Mar-25 07:15 PM] spinydeath#0000 its better the the plan i made thanks [23-Mar-25 07:15 PM] spinydeath#0000 quick question i thought you could have 6 experts but its only letting me put 5 for some reason [23-Mar-25 07:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so you can have 6 total [23-Mar-25 07:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but only 5 in one industry [23-Mar-25 07:15 PM] spinydeath#0000 ohhh i did not know that [23-Mar-25 07:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 haha yeah [23-Mar-25 07:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 not clear in the experts tab [23-Mar-25 07:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but that is how that works [23-Mar-25 07:16 PM] spinydeath#0000 what are the lfabs for [23-Mar-25 07:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so they are LBH, LDE, LSE, and LTA you need some to make the HBB [23-Mar-25 07:18 PM] spinydeath#0000 ohh sorry still learning the acronyms [23-Mar-25 07:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 no worries [23-Mar-25 07:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 its not a dumb question [23-Mar-25 07:19 PM] spinydeath#0000 its it a bad idea to set up an H2Obase on phantasm to feed my future HER base on promitor [23-Mar-25 07:19 PM] spinydeath#0000 or should i just buy the h20 [23-Mar-25 07:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I would have to look at Phantasm to say for sure, but its not a terrible idea eventually to do [23-Mar-25 07:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I don't think HER uses *that* much water [23-Mar-25 07:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so you can get away with buying [23-Mar-25 07:21 PM] spinydeath#0000 Prun shows it has 46.91 water but you have to extract instead of using a rig [23-Mar-25 07:23 PM] spinydeath#0000 yeah you are right it does not use alot of water [23-Mar-25 07:23 PM] spinydeath#0000 only 34.63 a day [23-Mar-25 07:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353524703008133210/image.png?ex=6814b95c&is=681367dc&hm=c46a015b7cf877fd7987453ebf05d472c7b2432b3f7f14d78b10ff92b708253c& [23-Mar-25 07:24 PM] spinydeath#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/778ec19f-3768-49f8-8f70-f5f8b1ed46b4 this is my idea so far {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/778ec19f-3768-49f8-8f70-f5f8b1ed46b4 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [23-Mar-25 07:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353524805307203685/image.png?ex=6814b974&is=681367f4&hm=dcbaa1cb0f3cd9e6af4a452412c1f3617f18aa8fd906ab7bb8ea71792bbff80b& [23-Mar-25 07:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 This one here is a different planet [23-Mar-25 07:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 here in ANT [23-Mar-25 07:24 PM] spinydeath#0000 shheeeessh that alot of money for H2O [23-Mar-25 07:25 PM] pagy1234#0000 the base isnt cheap tho.. [23-Mar-25 07:25 PM] pagy1234#0000 on phantasm you have a 17 day ROI [23-Mar-25 07:25 PM] pagy1234#0000 not terrible but not great [23-Mar-25 07:25 PM] pagy1234#0000 actually thats even wihtout the CM [23-Mar-25 07:25 PM] spinydeath#0000 its showing me a 75 day roi [23-Mar-25 07:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think your promitor base works great how it is rn {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [23-Mar-25 07:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah mine has my cheaper prices [23-Mar-25 07:26 PM] spinydeath#0000 i kinda like the ice base [23-Mar-25 07:26 PM] spinydeath#0000 just need 1 mil to build it [23-Mar-25 07:28 PM] pagy1234#0000 would be pretty far from promitor tho [23-Mar-25 07:28 PM] spinydeath#0000 i have another base in antares [23-Mar-25 07:28 PM] pagy1234#0000 and H2O is not light, so I doubt you would even be able to keep the base storage clear with a dedicated ship [23-Mar-25 07:28 PM] spinydeath#0000 same thing [23-Mar-25 07:29 PM] pagy1234#0000 wait where do you have bases? [23-Mar-25 07:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Harmonia and Promitor yeah? [23-Mar-25 07:29 PM] spinydeath#0000 yeah [23-Mar-25 07:29 PM] pagy1234#0000 ISA -> harmonia isnt bad, but ISA -> prom will take a while [23-Mar-25 07:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lols welcome to the official cool kids club [23-Mar-25 07:30 PM] tanda#0000 ISA>Prom will probably work fine, honestly. With upgraded ships anyway [23-Mar-25 07:30 PM] tanda#0000 call it a long term goal {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [23-Mar-25 07:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but also as it stands your Promitor base doesn't need more water yeah? [23-Mar-25 07:31 PM] spinydeath#0000 yeah its not bad i only need to buy like 1 a day {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [23-Mar-25 07:31 PM] spinydeath#0000 but the harmonia base needs 17 a day and i could sell the rest [23-Mar-25 07:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I would maybe go a different direction [23-Mar-25 07:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 at first [23-Mar-25 07:33 PM] spinydeath#0000 should i just expand the harmonia base and add more rigs and farms [23-Mar-25 07:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah [23-Mar-25 07:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 maybe not add more rigs there [23-Mar-25 07:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but def frms [23-Mar-25 07:34 PM] spinydeath#0000 gotcha [23-Mar-25 07:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 what do you want to do long term? farmy stuff? [23-Mar-25 07:35 PM] spinydeath#0000 yeah farm stuff and maybe some chemical stuff [23-Mar-25 07:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 do you want to make food from your farms? [23-Mar-25 07:35 PM] spinydeath#0000 yeah that was the plan [23-Mar-25 07:36 PM] spinydeath#0000 i have a plan for a CL base in antares [23-Mar-25 07:36 PM] spinydeath#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/3f210362-5f2c-4d33-8112-e153dbe996a2 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/3f210362-5f2c-4d33-8112-e153dbe996a2 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [23-Mar-25 07:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah the griffonstone one [23-Mar-25 07:36 PM] spinydeath#0000 yeah [23-Mar-25 07:37 PM] spinydeath#0000 just want to make ddt alittle cheaper [23-Mar-25 07:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think that would be a good 3rd base [23-Mar-25 07:37 PM] spinydeath#0000 I was thinking that would be the best route for the 3rd as well [23-Mar-25 07:40 PM] spinydeath#0000 Im kinda worried about getting a big loan for a new ship thats what scares me about the CL base [23-Mar-25 07:40 PM] spinydeath#0000 BRB going to get some food [23-Mar-25 07:42 PM] pagy1234#0000 a PSK kit from #psk-operations [23-Mar-25 07:42 PM] pagy1234#0000 makes you have well enough shipping capacity for a good while [23-Mar-25 07:47 PM] vanarazor#0000 yes! much higher becasue I put experts in chemistry [23-Mar-25 07:48 PM] vanarazor#0000 oh gosh my actual repair cost more than what I have in bank, I must be making profit!!!! right now [23-Mar-25 07:48 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353530871973544026/image.png?ex=6814bf1b&is=68136d9b&hm=a220e8cf50bcfbab8e53b1d8f42c906179c1bf213062122e65150c10a4d8c55e& [23-Mar-25 07:48 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/right-now-mad-angry-guardians-of-the-galaxy-chris-pratt-gif-5776790 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/right-now-mad-angry-guardians-of-the-galaxy-chris-pratt-gif-5776790 right now https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/GYORJgdoWNRCcXn0l2F6BakJN6pbnxb78tSzwMHTLpU/https/media.tenor.com/T3iaSb1mgscAAAAe/right-now-mad.png [23-Mar-25 07:48 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/hurry-up-judge-judy-time-is-up-gif-5267355 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/hurry-up-judge-judy-time-is-up-gif-5267355 Hurry Up https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/XEvLEqMzGW4WwbIn1toNk_yW8aAxH7SkWujTRPalU2k/https/media.tenor.com/ED-FjaZEvdAAAAAe/hurry-up-judge-judy.png [23-Mar-25 08:06 PM] spinydeath#0000 im back [23-Mar-25 08:06 PM] spinydeath#0000 @pagy1234 Yeah i seen them its just a 1.35 mil loan and that scares me [23-Mar-25 08:06 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, a 16mil loan kinda scared me too [23-Mar-25 08:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 its not bad [23-Mar-25 08:06 PM] spinydeath#0000 lol [23-Mar-25 08:07 PM] spinydeath#0000 its bad for me when my only profit right now is 45k a day ๐Ÿ˜ข [23-Mar-25 08:37 PM] pagy1234#0000 Tbf the repayment period is very nice, I did it maybe 1 or 2 weeks into the game and its very worth it. [23-Mar-25 08:38 PM] spinydeath#0000 i might hit it up after i repay tanda [23-Mar-25 08:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Repay Tanda? [23-Mar-25 08:56 PM] spinydeath#0000 Yeah he gave me a loan couple days ago [23-Mar-25 08:56 PM] spinydeath#0000 to finish my base on promitor [23-Mar-25 08:56 PM] spinydeath#0000 its only 425k so its not to bad [23-Mar-25 09:17 PM] tanda#0000 https://discord.com/channels/350171287785701388/350171288267915277/1353552345400873031 [23-Mar-25 09:18 PM] tanda#0000 @realharvey @laaxus you guys made PiBoy's top 30 most productive! Congratulations, please report for your mandatory photoshoot {Reactions} danceboi [23-Mar-25 09:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Congrats guys [23-Mar-25 09:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Also Tanda is top 50 {Reactions} danceboi [23-Mar-25 09:21 PM] spinydeath#0000 Nice job guys {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ danceboi [23-Mar-25 09:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol im 99th [23-Mar-25 09:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 wait [23-Mar-25 09:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 98th [23-Mar-25 09:36 PM] tanda#0000 no way, your equity is pretty close to mine [23-Mar-25 09:36 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353558129010544752/image.png?ex=6814d87d&is=681386fd&hm=a5f1af21e8f782da0f9142fe7ae118df02a475f144d5d51344b28e7b4f031712& [23-Mar-25 09:36 PM] sidepipe#0000 I'm #93 ๐Ÿ˜„ [23-Mar-25 09:37 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, that's not real, lol [23-Mar-25 09:37 PM] sidepipe#0000 which is probably because most of my cash comes from things I don't produce tbh [23-Mar-25 09:37 PM] tanda#0000 sidepipe confirmed to be management! [23-Mar-25 09:38 PM] sidepipe#0000 _someone_ has to synergistically align expectations and refocus on our core competencies! [23-Mar-25 09:38 PM] sidepipe#0000 fwiw, here's my equity {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353558583811244042/image.png?ex=6814d8ea&is=6813876a&hm=79c4f1bdcb4e59844badf5a79ab9add381bee28a0f67dbfe3e6b80f69df07127& [23-Mar-25 09:39 PM] sidepipe#0000 but my proft/day according to FINPR is only ~1.5M [23-Mar-25 09:39 PM] tanda#0000 to be honest, I'm not sure what metric is really being used here. Whether it's $worth of production scraped from the leaderboards, or $worth of sales on the CX [23-Mar-25 09:39 PM] tanda#0000 they are entirely different metrics [23-Mar-25 09:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353559898704842762/image.png?ex=6814da23&is=681388a3&hm=2c2e7ac69cc22505c55d0c9f0c736a2ad8f0b1f0833b836a240d227a210d7d0c& [23-Mar-25 09:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think its something with the CX? [23-Mar-25 09:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I am never in the CX so [23-Mar-25 09:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 RPrun gives me this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353560258970124410/image.png?ex=6814da79&is=681388f9&hm=50720a5752bba2871040e8af4a005cce073986cf25516488ff82e42ec15e1d29& [23-Mar-25 09:45 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353560359637880872/image.png?ex=6814da91&is=68138911&hm=322be59b0a1123916a3e9c760d5ce6f5510e3470688671ef0cd3301c700564f9& [23-Mar-25 09:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 the csv data says like 3 mil for me [23-Mar-25 09:46 PM] tanda#0000 this is skewed by the WAL I'm currently smelting, so I don't know how much to trust that [23-Mar-25 09:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so it seems to be off by a million? [23-Mar-25 09:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 for both of us [23-Mar-25 09:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ~~heres my apples to your apples~~ my head hurts from the heat today {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353560733635448874/image.png?ex=6814daea&is=6813896a&hm=41cc5e81b3aa70b4c800c37af0812a9257b76cfb836a56386200b9b040dc0ed0& [23-Mar-25 09:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 interesting how differrent fin vs xit fin_summary are [23-Mar-25 09:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh wiast [23-Mar-25 09:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ill see my self out [23-Mar-25 09:48 PM] tanda#0000 Well this is minus ships and HQ levels, the primary thing RPrun accounts for {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353561196254461962/image.png?ex=6814db59&is=681389d9&hm=7e8379a906c3255498c74cde67949c8877ffe80173a24a9b0d113d76021d6370& [23-Mar-25 09:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 true I gots lots of moneys sunk in them ships and hq levels [23-Mar-25 09:52 PM] sidepipe#0000 OH, this is revenue, not profit [23-Mar-25 09:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah [23-Mar-25 09:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353562832620224522/image.png?ex=6814dcdf&is=68138b5f&hm=3507d07f0f5e7b41157f5f174a4653fe8aee1e395eab463994442520805f69f0& [23-Mar-25 09:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 @.urpalhal my revenue is super close to yours, so makes sense that our ranks are similar {Reactions} danceboi (2) ๐Ÿ‡ซ (2) ๐Ÿ‡ท (2) ๐Ÿ‡ฎ (2) ๐Ÿ‡ช (2) ๐Ÿ‡ณ (2) ๐Ÿ‡ฉ (2) ๐Ÿ‡ธ (2) [23-Mar-25 09:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 anywho pretty impressive that ADI has 4/30 [23-Mar-25 09:57 PM] sidepipe#0000 clearly I need to sit down and figure out what to do with my 2 spare permits [23-Mar-25 09:58 PM] sidepipe#0000 ...and do something with my base on halcyon, which has been 2 STO and nothing else for a few months now ๐Ÿ˜„ [23-Mar-25 09:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 :RSZeroShrugIDK: [23-Mar-25 09:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I keep saying imma do stuff and the never do it [23-Mar-25 09:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 tho [23-Mar-25 09:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I guess I should make more construction [23-Mar-25 09:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 some WEL and PP1s [23-Mar-25 09:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 like i promised [23-Mar-25 09:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh and move my UPFs [23-Mar-25 09:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but Im broke again [23-Mar-25 10:00 PM] tanda#0000 WEL really does look to be in a good position right now with both FLP and SSC being kinda short [23-Mar-25 10:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 aight [23-Mar-25 10:00 PM] evov#0000 (pinned) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353564047806566502/topCompanies.png?ex=6814de01&is=68138c81&hm=ec1b7a2435d813f752084f84d3c1978bf422cbb0985986a86b63ea603b74326d& {Reactions} โค๏ธ (5) danceboi (4) ๐Ÿ”ฅ (4) [23-Mar-25 10:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 newbies i need metals [23-Mar-25 10:00 PM] tanda#0000 I just can't be bothered to make those items [23-Mar-25 10:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Pinned a message. [23-Mar-25 10:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 pin worthy [23-Mar-25 10:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 4/30 in adi woot woot [23-Mar-25 10:01 PM] evov#0000 Everybody thank Piboy for the work he puts into that whenever you get a chance imo. [23-Mar-25 10:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 @pi3142718 you're a god amongst men {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (5) ๐Ÿ’ฏ (5) [23-Mar-25 10:04 PM] evov#0000 Just keep in mind how those numbers are calculated. If I buy a 100k car... give it a paint job and sell it for 110k ... that report will show as having produced a 110k product. It ignores the input costs. So it's not a perfect reflection of profitability.... just the value of goods that come off the line. [23-Mar-25 10:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 Donโ€™t I know it. BWS is one of the most โ€œprofitableโ€ things I make and it all sits in warehouses at the CXs ๐Ÿฅฒ [23-Mar-25 10:06 PM] evov#0000 So that chart will disproportionately favor high end production... where you're taking expensive stuff, combining it to make something slightly more expensive. A lot of that happens when building ships from the ground up. [23-Mar-25 10:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 also btws PiBoy is the guy who made PMMG extended which became the basis of RPrun after the torch was passed to Razenpok. so PiBoy is the GOAT {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [23-Mar-25 10:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 (if i remember correctly) [24-Mar-25 12:52 AM] realharvey#0000 Whoops never expected to see myself on that list ๐Ÿ‘€ {Reactions} danceboi [24-Mar-25 01:16 AM] laaxus#0000 :danceboi: [24-Mar-25 01:24 AM] vanarazor#0000 congrats you all [24-Mar-25 01:24 AM] vanarazor#0000 now come buy my expensive MEA on the CX please [24-Mar-25 01:26 AM] vanarazor#0000 also PSL is on a steady rise : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353615842918535178/image.png?ex=68150e3d&is=6813bcbd&hm=4f2b2f319578d3bfe699f690df2e5a38c43293fc8d68b03f7f0bea926295b0fc& [24-Mar-25 01:26 AM] realharvey#0000 Sorry got about 1000 in stock myself {Reactions} โค๏ธ [24-Mar-25 01:34 AM] spinydeath#0000 Dont worry Aaron im going to build the CL base and hopefully help lower that cost [24-Mar-25 01:34 AM] spinydeath#0000 sorry is was wrong CL is not apart of PSL lol im dumb [24-Mar-25 01:53 AM] laaxus#0000 There's a dรฉficit of PPF bases {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [24-Mar-25 01:54 AM] laaxus#0000 2 bases are needed at the minimum probably 3 to 4 [24-Mar-25 02:18 AM] razenpok#0000 #91 ๐Ÿค [24-Mar-25 02:18 AM] vanarazor#0000 yeah right now PPF base is very lucrative [24-Mar-25 02:19 AM] vanarazor#0000 it is, once your CL is extracted you can transform it into PG which is the material for PSL [24-Mar-25 02:28 AM] spinydeath#0000 ohh nice [24-Mar-25 02:43 AM] spinydeath#0000 @vanarazor Whats PPF i cant find it [24-Mar-25 02:44 AM] vanarazor#0000 Open a new buffer and type BUI PPF [24-Mar-25 02:44 AM] vanarazor#0000 or look into building [24-Mar-25 02:44 AM] spinydeath#0000 ohh its a building [24-Mar-25 02:44 AM] vanarazor#0000 the mat is PSL [24-Mar-25 02:45 AM] spinydeath#0000 sheesh i might make a ppf base after i make the CL base and make psl {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [24-Mar-25 02:45 AM] vanarazor#0000 with one base of POL you can easily provide for 1-2 PPPF base depending on how much EPO you still wanna produce from your POL [24-Mar-25 02:46 AM] spinydeath#0000 i cant find the recipe for CL to make PG [24-Mar-25 02:47 AM] spinydeath#0000 ahh its fine i could just buy the stuff to make pg and craft it that way ' [24-Mar-25 02:48 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353636562268717178/image.png?ex=681478c9&is=68132749&hm=b57e440dc33986a4685fc3bb84e50291e4e53e2e8503ea07515c9213cf10626f& [24-Mar-25 02:48 AM] spinydeath#0000 yeah i was looking in there i didnt see one for cl to pg [24-Mar-25 02:48 AM] vanarazor#0000 actually my bad [24-Mar-25 02:48 AM] vanarazor#0000 PG does not use CL [24-Mar-25 02:49 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353636719689207909/image.png?ex=681478ef&is=6813276f&hm=2e7589d3f66980cf721238a8dd7b389e853c6edddaace153fa1e53bf3222dc06& [24-Mar-25 02:49 AM] vanarazor#0000 EPO how ever does [24-Mar-25 02:55 AM] laaxus#0000 Bad idea [24-Mar-25 02:56 AM] laaxus#0000 If I'm not mistaken, you have few bases ? [24-Mar-25 02:57 AM] laaxus#0000 Ppf product has little bid to sell into [24-Mar-25 02:58 AM] vanarazor#0000 on the other hand PSL stock is thin on AI1 : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353639166516264970/image.png?ex=68147b36&is=681329b6&hm=0d0aedd6e95759dc239fa130c39fe21faa7c28a634fa5a9c8cb8a285c04578af& [24-Mar-25 02:59 AM] vanarazor#0000 it does not mean that sales are rising [24-Mar-25 02:59 AM] spinydeath#0000 True but its so pricey [24-Mar-25 02:59 AM] vanarazor#0000 simply that stock is thin [24-Mar-25 03:00 AM] spinydeath#0000 I have a bunch of ideas for my third base right now just need to decide whats best [24-Mar-25 03:00 AM] vanarazor#0000 you can see on the bottom on the chart the trade volume {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353639566241955932/image.png?ex=68147b95&is=68132a15&hm=38af91afbbe3097dbd5a546cb6156fcec738ff4b8321a98628af2e3b9fc68f07& [24-Mar-25 03:01 AM] laaxus#0000 what do you have and what are considering ? [24-Mar-25 03:01 AM] vanarazor#0000 PSL is an item needed for every new base [24-Mar-25 03:01 AM] vanarazor#0000 here ont he bottom "**CM**" {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353639975517687869/image.png?ex=68147bf7&is=68132a77&hm=a73994fc10fd95860fdbe28b937fee3dd513045e0a95856e9938fe1b95adf10c& [24-Mar-25 03:02 AM] spinydeath#0000 I have a DW base and makeing a HER base just need to finish flying [24-Mar-25 03:03 AM] spinydeath#0000 and im considering another HER base in hortus or a CL base in antares also Hal has me wanting to make a water base like his making 100k a day [24-Mar-25 03:04 AM] spinydeath#0000 Also i want to process the HER into FIM [24-Mar-25 03:06 AM] vanarazor#0000 in february someone angry came and bought 2K PSL {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353641224593997855/image.png?ex=68147d21&is=68132ba1&hm=8b10e6a48c2c1857f09cd810b7957d5c383f60681ad5d4f8b408c44f57d422b9& [24-Mar-25 03:07 AM] spinydeath#0000 at 10k per sheesh [24-Mar-25 03:08 AM] vanarazor#0000 from 6 to 10 [24-Mar-25 03:09 AM] spinydeath#0000 ahh i was reading it wrong [24-Mar-25 03:09 AM] spinydeath#0000 but thats still a lot of money [24-Mar-25 03:09 AM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/kenan-thompson-snl-saturday-night-live-yep-yes-gif-8397555225657125848 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/kenan-thompson-snl-saturday-night-live-yep-yes-gif-8397555225657125848 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/mqj-vs3GaOZxqRoqJj-F93RamEfRV4FF0m0_iUNwsK4/https/media.tenor.com/dIob_E8Eq9gAAAAe/kenan-thompson-snl.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [24-Mar-25 06:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 Careful on H2O, roi can be a bit high [24-Mar-25 08:02 AM] evov#0000 For anyone who's a bit lost about the MM discussions on the main prun discord - this the best real world analogy I can come up with to try to explain (at least 1 side of the argument) IDC's are like.... if the Government decided it would create a new position... "empathy inspectors"... and paid them double the average wage for the area. Virtually unlimited open positions, but you need to have completed a degree and also obtained a certificate in empathy studies. The job would be to walk around town and point out every time someone is a jerk. Fundamentally a really really easy job, anyone can do it, you just gotta spend the time/money to get your empathy studies certificate. That's what IDC's are, easy +high paying gov jobs. Then, people point out this is silly. Why is the gov paying super high salaries to these people who aren't really providing anything useful to the economy? "Oh - we need to keep paying them heaps of money..... it helps to fight off deflation" This has been the IDC argument for at least the last 18months. Today -> Hey, gov... maybe instead of paying heaps of money for something really easy that no-one needs, maybe we could spend it on more difficult things that have further reaching impact to the economy, like parks or busses or upgraded water pipes? Tomorrow -> Insert empathy inspectors crying about how it's not fair that they should get a pay cut, and how the gov paying them heaps above average wages is actually a good thing for the economy. And, omg what about the lecturers at the local college that are doing the classes that give out the empathy certificates. Pay cuts for empathy inspectors will ruin the economy!!! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (3) [24-Mar-25 08:07 AM] tanda#0000 It's gotten to the point where even the empathy inspectors are saying what they're doing isn't productive [24-Mar-25 08:07 AM] evov#0000 The rational ones are at least. [24-Mar-25 08:08 AM] evov#0000 They're like.... you know.. I've got a civil engineering degree..... if this empathy inspecting job didn't pay so much I'd probably go build a road or a bridge somewhere. [24-Mar-25 08:26 AM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah - I think a demand sink like an MM is kinda a necessary evil to make sure the economy is always growing. I donโ€™t think you ever want the game to be in a situation where a player gets a new permit and there just isnโ€™t any reason to build a base with it. I just like the higher-tier MMs more because each of them requires more direct inputs, which need bases themselves, and those bases need inputs etc etc. [24-Mar-25 08:29 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m planning to put my money where my mouth is, and to start making LOG for the MM ๐Ÿ˜„ [24-Mar-25 08:31 AM] sidepipe#0000 Or in terms of your analogy, to start making some bridges or something ๐Ÿ˜ [24-Mar-25 08:32 AM] evov#0000 If / when the changes go through - I'll have a look at them. I'm already making half of them, but that stuff goes straight into building ships. So at the very least, I'll need to adjust ship pricing to account for the new prices for things. But..... if the price is high enough.... I'll convert a chunk of ship building resources into MM's. [24-Mar-25 08:40 AM] sidepipe#0000 Really, LOG is just an excuse to keep making BWS (in smaller quantities) and start making BMF. It doesnโ€™t seem like the universe needs BWS in the quantities Iโ€™ve been making them, and Iโ€™m guessing the same would be true for BMF [24-Mar-25 08:41 AM] sidepipe#0000 But if I can make some excess BMF and toss most of them into LOG, then everything works out [24-Mar-25 09:45 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I get the โ€œemotionalโ€ complain from people, that IDC makes lots of money from basically doing nothing (tho that money is eventually flowing back into the economy, sooo). But if I get that right, the global economy is basically losing money (the total sum of available value) by degradation, non-current assets, people leaving the game and materials sold to MM. This is counter acted by MMs selling stuff, basically creating money out of thin air. This can be done by any MM, tho IDC is just the one with the highest profit. [24-Mar-25 09:46 AM] pxlfox.#0000 So in other words, we need means of injecting value into the system, which is currently mainly managed by MM - and in a bigger scale, IDC mining [24-Mar-25 09:47 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Otherwise the system would bleed out and people wouldnโ€™t be able to trade anymore [24-Mar-25 09:49 AM] realharvey#0000 IDC Bases also create more FAB-Demand for repairs and High tier consumables. So they are helping with the higher tier economy [24-Mar-25 09:52 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But I did get that right, didnโ€™t I? Putting the emotional part of the discussion aside, IDC bases are currently fulfilling a crucial role to ensure this economy is going to grow, arenโ€™t they? They are not the only nor best means thinkable, but as of rn required or at least beneficial. [24-Mar-25 09:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Because everything else (trading between players) is only distributing value around, but not actually creating new. [24-Mar-25 09:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 You just interchange more volume of value with less, higher density of value [24-Mar-25 09:55 AM] pxlfox.#0000 (e.g. 10 CUO -> 3 CU) [24-Mar-25 09:58 AM] sidepipe#0000 Really, money only โ€˜leavesโ€™ the system through people quitting and MMs. Degradation / non-current assets just hand the money to someone else. Money doesnโ€™t disappear when you repair your base because you paid someone else for it [24-Mar-25 09:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But the building itself loses value, doesnโ€™t it? [24-Mar-25 09:59 AM] sidepipe#0000 But yeah, IDC bases fill that role. I just think it would be better filled by a more complex MM that consumes more stuff (and therefore requires more workforce / stuff consumed per item made) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [24-Mar-25 09:59 AM] sidepipe#0000 Thatโ€™s all book value, not cash [24-Mar-25 09:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I donโ€™t disagree [24-Mar-25 10:00 AM] sidepipe#0000 The money goes to someone else when you buy the stuff to build the building, and when you buy the stuff to repair it, but no money changes hands when the building degrades [24-Mar-25 10:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 Why domt they chamge the recipe of IDC then [24-Mar-25 10:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 Make a new item called SSD, and make it need like 50 PE, 1 GL, 5 NA. Then make it the input :D [24-Mar-25 10:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Ah, true. Got it [24-Mar-25 10:02 AM] sidepipe#0000 You could totally do that, I just think some of the other existing MM items are more interesting ๐Ÿ˜„ [24-Mar-25 10:02 AM] manhim#0000 Or make multiple products that use IDC as material and have MM under those products. [24-Mar-25 10:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah probably [24-Mar-25 10:04 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Do we have a IDC planet in ant space? [24-Mar-25 10:04 AM] sidepipe#0000 For example, go to prosper.run and look at what all goes into LOG or AIR or NV2 [24-Mar-25 10:04 AM] sidepipe#0000 Phobos mostly [24-Mar-25 10:07 AM] pagy1234#0000 dayum, AIR takes alot [24-Mar-25 10:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Because even tho they donโ€™t interact much with the market, they still require consumables and repair materials and generate tax revenue. I guess most of the IDC is produced on Malahat. I feel thatโ€™s a loss for ANT space to not have something similar here [24-Mar-25 10:08 AM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, Phobos is kinda weighed down by the huge PIO population - it being a starter planet makes it way more expensive to maintain a huge high-tier population [24-Mar-25 10:09 AM] pxlfox.#0000 We have some very rich and competent players around here. Isnโ€™t it an idea to build up a program for that. Iโ€™m sure there are a few members here, which would immediately move there IDC to ANT [24-Mar-25 10:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 Phobos is an extremely rich planet though? [24-Mar-25 10:10 AM] manhim#0000 We need to think big. Let's settle a system, name it "I don't care" and settle 6 IDC planets {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [24-Mar-25 10:11 AM] sidepipe#0000 Firefreak has already done that, we just need to take over his planets ๐Ÿ˜› {Reactions} antares_initiative [24-Mar-25 10:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh lol [24-Mar-25 10:11 AM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, and they could totally afford to build a giant SCI population, but it would be way more money efficient to do it somewhere else [24-Mar-25 10:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 fair I guess [24-Mar-25 10:12 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™m not rich enough to be in charge of such an endeavour, but would gladly support it and move my permit here [24-Mar-25 10:13 AM] sidepipe#0000 Since Iโ€™ve already started one planet, maybe I need to drop an electronics planet somewhere ๐Ÿ˜„ [24-Mar-25 10:13 AM] realharvey#0000 growing SCI/ENG Population takes multiple weeks per player when starting a new world [24-Mar-25 10:13 AM] sidepipe#0000 Though I think Evo has an electronics planet in his system of planets theyโ€™re working on {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [24-Mar-25 10:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 That actually might be not that bad of an idea [24-Mar-25 10:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 @evov [24-Mar-25 10:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 IDC donโ€™t need much shipping [24-Mar-25 10:15 AM] realharvey#0000 you can just join his programm with an IDC base there [24-Mar-25 10:15 AM] pagy1234#0000 why are we all suddenly wanting to make more IDC, I though we were just talking about how IDC Is bad and it needs nerf lmao [24-Mar-25 10:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Itโ€™s not bad per se [24-Mar-25 10:16 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Itโ€™s easy money and people donโ€™t like it [24-Mar-25 10:16 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But they are already people out there having IDC [24-Mar-25 10:16 AM] realharvey#0000 its easy money until you crash the Consumables markets with too much demand [24-Mar-25 10:16 AM] realharvey#0000 and other people earn money by creating consumables and fabs for that [24-Mar-25 10:17 AM] sidepipe#0000 Please do! Iโ€™m working on making more MEA / FIM ๐Ÿ˜„ [24-Mar-25 10:17 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Thatโ€™s what Iโ€™m talking about - all of that happens not in ANT space! [24-Mar-25 10:17 AM] pxlfox.#0000 IDC will be produced, if you like it or not [24-Mar-25 10:17 AM] realharvey#0000 well I have 50% of an IDC base [24-Mar-25 10:17 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Letโ€™s make it happen here [24-Mar-25 10:17 AM] realharvey#0000 and I have 4 Agri/FP Bases for FIM/MEA setup now [24-Mar-25 10:18 AM] pxlfox.#0000 So the money is distributed to ANT [24-Mar-25 10:18 AM] realharvey#0000 next permit will either be PP4 or IDC base in EVO's region {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [24-Mar-25 10:18 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Letโ€™s make it official - I will start to move my IDC to IA-151, too [24-Mar-25 10:19 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It might take some time to get all of the SCI there, but EvoV is competent - he will manage it ๐Ÿ™‚ [24-Mar-25 10:19 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Also, it will Fund a Gate there, too [24-Mar-25 10:19 AM] pxlfox.#0000 So a win-win for ANT [24-Mar-25 10:31 AM] realharvey#0000 dont move it [24-Mar-25 10:31 AM] realharvey#0000 create a new one there [24-Mar-25 10:31 AM] realharvey#0000 dont wast money [24-Mar-25 10:31 AM] realharvey#0000 hahaha [24-Mar-25 12:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [24-Mar-25 12:21 PM] potaterror#0000 All you IDC farmers better get your MEA quick, Rakkzi just cleaned me out at 12K per unit over in MOR. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฑ [24-Mar-25 12:34 PM] jcheung#0000 I've never been more glad to make my own [24-Mar-25 12:39 PM] potaterror#0000 Right? At this point my one IDC base is producing rather garbled IDCs, it's cheaper to sustain my SCI pop by keeping them utterly trashed on WIN. [24-Mar-25 12:40 PM] jcheung#0000 I mean if IDC inputs get too much more expensive i might swap my IDC base for food instead ๐Ÿ˜„ [24-Mar-25 12:43 PM] potaterror#0000 Reasonable. I already shut down my DW production and sprinted through my FIM reserves trying to crank out MEA. I've got half a mind to spin up another FP base myself. [24-Mar-25 02:25 PM] archielvahr#0000 Huh I was pretty sure Malahat was in ANT. [24-Mar-25 02:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 No not really [24-Mar-25 02:26 PM] archielvahr#0000 Regarding the "let's make IDC farms in ANT", there's one on LS-014: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353812147750043688/image.png?ex=68147390&is=68132210&hm=dc9e45b4a76b07a140b2bf818352e8ec0c35ffd70754fa8096bb935f25d421b0& [24-Mar-25 02:26 PM] laaxus#0000 Malahat would be in Antares faction if planets could self recognize {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [24-Mar-25 02:26 PM] laaxus#0000 it's good enough [24-Mar-25 02:27 PM] laaxus#0000 In fact, every planet would be in antares faction if they could self recognize [24-Mar-25 02:27 PM] laaxus#0000 they just don't know it yet [24-Mar-25 02:27 PM] archielvahr#0000 AIC keeps winning the currency polls on Malahat. We just can't do anything about it. [24-Mar-25 02:28 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm sure we could create something called "One system, Two factions" [24-Mar-25 02:28 PM] laaxus#0000 In fact, maybe I could declare it once I become governor of etherwind [24-Mar-25 02:28 PM] archielvahr#0000 Ahh, we have a molp reply on the MM forum thread. So maybe I wouldn't spin up a new IDC planet atm. [24-Mar-25 02:29 PM] vanarazor#0000 Im one of them now, noooo [24-Mar-25 02:29 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1353812944311550083/image.png?ex=6814744e&is=681322ce&hm=b1b0f0db023147835729cc95115ba9dd0850a5458a587d1b358f66381b8b311c& [24-Mar-25 02:30 PM] laaxus#0000 link ? [24-Mar-25 02:30 PM] vanarazor#0000 is it where electronics are built ? .O [24-Mar-25 02:32 PM] archielvahr#0000 No electronics are made on electronica, and LS-014 was rise's IDC farm afaik [24-Mar-25 02:32 PM] archielvahr#0000 oops wrong link [24-Mar-25 02:32 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/major-market-maker-pricing-changes/6933/2 ? {Embed} https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/major-market-maker-pricing-changes/6933/2 Major Market Maker Pricing Changes Since weโ€™re on the topic of marketmakers, there are also some voices who want to adjust the marketmaker suppliers. Bfabs, fuels, OVE, RAT, DW, MCG. I support the proposal to raise it 10% per month until there is no more economic activity, reserving them for manipulation prevention to preserve the new player experience. This will give time for t... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/4mEDHgRNlpy3huDSJldH71XqCeyAuYMkiiavZkcSfmU/https/com.prosperousuniverse.com/uploads/default/original/2X/d/d827dc24824cab8902305b306411da36fa0d9063.png [24-Mar-25 02:32 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 molp's reply to that is short, basically "cool thanks, I will look at this within a week" [24-Mar-25 02:33 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yep, thanks. Molp's reply is at the bottom [24-Mar-25 02:33 PM] laaxus#0000 I also agree with lowstrife that shipping is way too cheap [24-Mar-25 02:33 PM] laaxus#0000 Maybe the price was appropriate 4 years ago [24-Mar-25 02:33 PM] laaxus#0000 but it clearly isn't now [24-Mar-25 02:47 PM] vanarazor#0000 how does a ai market maker gets set up ? [24-Mar-25 02:47 PM] archielvahr#0000 When I take a shipping contract it's just cause I have empty space.. so any price is better than flying empty. That attitude definitely affects the market though. [24-Mar-25 02:48 PM] archielvahr#0000 The NPC market makers are set by the devs [24-Mar-25 02:50 PM] pxlfox.#0000 wasn't aware of that one. another good candidate. Updated the thread [24-Mar-25 02:51 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah I haven't been watching the pop. There was a discussion about making sure someone was there to take over to ensure the scientists didn't run away. I don't think anyone took the lead on that. [24-Mar-25 02:52 PM] pxlfox.#0000 well, let's wait how Molp is going to respond to that before starting a big campaign for that ๐Ÿ˜… [24-Mar-25 02:53 PM] archielvahr#0000 Actually I just see Techs there and they are dropping fast. [24-Mar-25 02:54 PM] pxlfox.#0000 But wouldn't you agree, that it makes sense to have an "official" IDC farm in ANT space? [24-Mar-25 02:54 PM] archielvahr#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [24-Mar-25 02:55 PM] laaxus#0000 Why can't we just use phobos [24-Mar-25 02:55 PM] archielvahr#0000 Eos took over the low tier electronics work, so Phobos has been attracting IDC farmers. [24-Mar-25 02:55 PM] pxlfox.#0000 They cost more then 300k in maintenance per base daily, which could flow into AI1 [24-Mar-25 02:55 PM] archielvahr#0000 It's a lot less work to continue ramping up Phobos than starting a new one [24-Mar-25 02:55 PM] archielvahr#0000 One could argue Antares is more resilient without IDC ๐Ÿ˜‰ [24-Mar-25 02:56 PM] archielvahr#0000 Also IDC has such low shipping requirements, everyone should definitely hit Malahat and Jeetiyu first. [24-Mar-25 02:56 PM] archielvahr#0000 I'd say we can push our costs to them, but IDC planets make so much tax income anyway, it doesn't cost the owners anything [24-Mar-25 02:57 PM] archielvahr#0000 But to ramp one up to the size you need for 600 SCI/week of education growth is like a 4-6 month job [24-Mar-25 02:59 PM] pxlfox.#0000 valid points [24-Mar-25 03:06 PM] jcheung#0000 Phew, 10% huh [24-Mar-25 03:06 PM] jcheung#0000 What's the lower limit gonna be [24-Mar-25 03:06 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah and maybe we'll need more electronics production in ANT if MM changes do happen, or if drones pick up, etc. Everything else requires more low tier workers though, so it will be a shift away from scientists. [24-Mar-25 06:48 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 i made my IDC base very recently, still paying off the massive debt. I would be VERY pissed if MM prices are reduced. It will make that base simply not worth the permit {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [24-Mar-25 06:48 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Though I understand why the changes were proposed [24-Mar-25 06:49 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 doesn't change the fact i would be pissed ๐Ÿ˜… [24-Mar-25 06:53 PM] jcheung#0000 well, if it came with like [24-Mar-25 06:53 PM] jcheung#0000 a 3 month heads up and then another 6 months to incrementally change [24-Mar-25 06:54 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 maybe then it will be okay but i doubt that will happen [24-Mar-25 07:06 PM] moke.#0000 I hope the changes start april 1st because it would be funny {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† (3) [24-Mar-25 07:07 PM] moke.#0000 They wont, but a boy can dream [24-Mar-25 07:07 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 i hope we get the ability to load soldiers on ships so i could destroy bases of people who hope terrible things ๐Ÿ˜‡ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [24-Mar-25 07:07 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 They wont, but a boy can dream :P [24-Mar-25 09:18 PM] evov#0000 I'm currently governor for 4 electronics plants in the ANT region. Only one of them has SCI on it. [24-Mar-25 11:00 PM] finestone#0000 I think there should be another input for IDC/EDC besides just SCI upkeep [24-Mar-25 11:01 PM] finestone#0000 maybe the eventual plan is for them to consume lots of power but that wont be for a long time as i don't see the power update coming anytime soon. [24-Mar-25 11:02 PM] finestone#0000 I dislike IDC bases as a concept with how they are currently implemented. [24-Mar-25 11:14 PM] .shiva.#0000 Imo nerf them into the ground and boost drones up {Reactions} x_chad (2) ๐Ÿ‘† (3) [24-Mar-25 11:15 PM] .shiva.#0000 0 input money printer recipies are dumb {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (4) [25-Mar-25 05:13 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 IDC is not exactly 0 input if the cons reqs are so high....but yea its disproportionate and should be brought in line with other bases [25-Mar-25 05:43 AM] evov#0000 No inputs - {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1354042982814322689/image.png?ex=6814a1cc&is=6813504c&hm=e0b80e762c66cce9f6760be57aa30b9f764b01d48f8364e960980980affabde2& [25-Mar-25 05:43 AM] evov#0000 Inputs {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1354043091312443436/image.png?ex=6814a1e5&is=68135065&hm=b78f8755d12c4aa33cb74df674d94de4a420d57bbae0478986a466ab7f7edbca& [25-Mar-25 05:47 AM] evov#0000 One of the things that makes LIS such an attractive option for being set up as the most profitable MM - is that the inputs span many different industry types. Manufacturing, Chem, Construction, Electronics, Extraction, Agriculture. Basically everything except Food production and Fuel, which both get used indirectly. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) ๐Ÿ‰ [25-Mar-25 11:01 PM] vanarazor#0000 but is the MM at 310K profitable [25-Mar-25 11:02 PM] vanarazor#0000 PS: I just realised that my HQ still need to be switch from phobos Im not producing any electronics ... [25-Mar-25 11:02 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-face-palm-picard-trek-gif-15072590366303305471 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-face-palm-picard-trek-gif-15072590366303305471 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/_sWLbkVWhBUzTa-9ECwUFnnFA0UtIYIjXNl0W5QdfOU/https/media.tenor.com/0SyZFIR7vv8AAAAe/facepalm-face.png [26-Mar-25 07:19 AM] tanda#0000 HQ bonus is nice, but it's not that important [26-Mar-25 07:19 AM] tanda#0000 a lot of people are into construction up to their eyeballs here, but very few have HQs out in Moria [26-Mar-25 06:56 PM] pagy1234#0000 ๐Ÿค‘ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1354604860728676452/Screenshot_2025-03-27_at_7.55.38_AM.png?ex=6814b2d6&is=68136156&hm=e4ef5caea64609e55fa89afe53d79e74828e28aba26b65175979be59b5bbc6c4& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ธ [26-Mar-25 06:56 PM] pagy1234#0000 almost a million on this one ship [26-Mar-25 06:56 PM] pagy1234#0000 ;D [26-Mar-25 07:04 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1354606923756077259/image.png?ex=6814b4c2&is=68136342&hm=4f5a97f14053fd5c172d911190ddd6f4947f56805862a70f3bdbeb45e600e9d6& [26-Mar-25 07:10 PM] sidepipe#0000 this is my most valuable ship atm ๐Ÿ˜„ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1354608375404695582/image.png?ex=6814b61c&is=6813649c&hm=c7e1c6d58ebc5a1af670e685fcd1c869a649bd82721da6c3d0a73393f6fa60cc& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [26-Mar-25 07:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 last few BWS out of Nyx before I (try) to switch it over to making LOG [26-Mar-25 07:12 PM] tanda#0000 dang that's a lot of BWS [26-Mar-25 07:12 PM] tanda#0000 I'm going to be hitting you up for that soon [26-Mar-25 07:12 PM] sidepipe#0000 they're not going anywhere fast ๐Ÿ˜„ [26-Mar-25 07:12 PM] sidepipe#0000 i sell maybe 5 a week [26-Mar-25 07:12 PM] sidepipe#0000 which is why I'm switching over to LOG [26-Mar-25 07:13 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1354609120916803624/image0.gif?ex=6814b6cd&is=6813654d&hm=53b272a0a3c768365fdeca402a69caa415805fcf2ca3ffb99e109d8943ab90dc& [26-Mar-25 07:13 PM] tanda#0000 well you know me: always stepping up new planets [26-Mar-25 07:14 PM] pagy1234#0000 what, you want some? ๐Ÿ˜… [26-Mar-25 07:15 PM] sidepipe#0000 heck yeah. hopefully I'll have BMF for that in the near future too [26-Mar-25 07:15 PM] pagy1234#0000 new base i assume? [26-Mar-25 07:16 PM] tanda#0000 That, feeds this: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1354610007064318143/image.png?ex=6814b7a1&is=68136621&hm=05c6988e40fe1cf4da2ef8aad5579d4cb4bd3318fc3093d5c768273b5a0f9099& [26-Mar-25 07:16 PM] pagy1234#0000 ohh, nice [26-Mar-25 07:17 PM] jcheung#0000 Speaking of [26-Mar-25 07:17 PM] pagy1234#0000 very expensive looking base lol [26-Mar-25 07:17 PM] tanda#0000 It is. As soon as I get rid of the PP2's feeding this base, everyone pulls out of the LFAB market {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [26-Mar-25 07:17 PM] jcheung#0000 Tanda, I think I'm ready for another shot of thp soonโ„ข๏ธ [26-Mar-25 07:18 PM] tanda#0000 Let me know {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1354610429409628200/image.png?ex=6814b805&is=68136685&hm=6e4f2adbf0c75575a657d660c909c504a7929b9d3ceb7ea347ac138e80bdf730& [26-Mar-25 07:18 PM] jcheung#0000 If you have some spare that is [26-Mar-25 07:19 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1354610663967821924/image0.gif?ex=6814b83d&is=681366bd&hm=9c26bf560cb90ac4b16492a97fbe6b3c6eb7cf80393bef0e0d546766182c3a27& [26-Mar-25 07:19 PM] tanda#0000 when do you need it? I need to send a ship to Aceland again soonish [26-Mar-25 07:19 PM] jcheung#0000 Not a rush. Few days [26-Mar-25 07:19 PM] jcheung#0000 Just pack whatever fits and I'll take that [26-Mar-25 07:19 PM] tanda#0000 alrighty! [26-Mar-25 07:20 PM] jcheung#0000 Ty [26-Mar-25 07:28 PM] sidepipe#0000 construction people - what the heck should I do with the rest of this base {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1354612934705287389/image.png?ex=6814ba5b&is=681368db&hm=ec43f73eb21be503b30228ca4a6417a86bc7e4d0540a01874b2717298013d34e& [26-Mar-25 07:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 wel? [26-Mar-25 07:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 upf? [26-Mar-25 07:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 pp4? [26-Mar-25 07:29 PM] tanda#0000 ~~more PP2, and kick it off of Nike?~~ [26-Mar-25 07:29 PM] tanda#0000 nvm, that's too high of a shipping burden [26-Mar-25 07:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 but the corp HQ! [26-Mar-25 07:30 PM] tanda#0000 Well, if you want a base on Nike, then you need to take full advantage of it [26-Mar-25 07:30 PM] tanda#0000 maybe use it to dripfeed AFABs? [26-Mar-25 07:30 PM] tanda#0000 a couple PP3s, and a PP4? [26-Mar-25 07:31 PM] sidepipe#0000 that's not a bad idea. torn between that and adding some WEL for MHL and such [26-Mar-25 07:31 PM] sidepipe#0000 i've never done construction beyond PP2 so this is all a mystery to me ๐Ÿ˜„ [26-Mar-25 07:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 wel are pretty small [26-Mar-25 07:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and only use pio [26-Mar-25 07:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so [26-Mar-25 07:31 PM] tanda#0000 sir [26-Mar-25 07:31 PM] tanda#0000 sir [26-Mar-25 07:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but also [26-Mar-25 07:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 tanda [26-Mar-25 07:31 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1354613894773215383/image.png?ex=6814bb40&is=681369c0&hm=2a06e686b716699abd532b6141142157b48a0c4898f23de90f36dd20bbb2a3a4& [26-Mar-25 07:32 PM] tanda#0000 I will offer you MHL at 3k [26-Mar-25 07:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 but the ones I make myself are free ๐Ÿ˜› {Reactions} ASSeekerBonk [26-Mar-25 07:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 (i forgot about that) [26-Mar-25 07:32 PM] tanda#0000 but the I costs 1.2k each now! [26-Mar-25 07:34 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1354614628184752179/Screenshot_2025-03-26_173412.png?ex=6814bbee&is=68136a6e&hm=ccb8fe694a053d7ac933f9b2be1bff5e85c7af39c3ea963900f9515551906177& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1354614628499591329/Screenshot_2025-03-26_173430.png?ex=6814bbee&is=68136a6e&hm=396df25ffec1a29877506c5401284c83690ca6016fd477a748aa16ea0e7c5227& [26-Mar-25 07:35 PM] tanda#0000 That leaves 21 space [26-Mar-25 07:35 PM] sidepipe#0000 oh nice - might copy this and try and rebalance it for the 3:2:2:1 for HQ upgrade [26-Mar-25 07:36 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I didn't balance it like I would my own designs, lol [26-Mar-25 07:39 PM] sidepipe#0000 no, this is a good starting point. I'm trying to increase my company revenue for the March 2026 company rankings ๐Ÿ˜† [26-Mar-25 10:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 @tanda built my base {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1354661073822814361/image.png?ex=6814e730&is=681395b0&hm=c8d9de6ce3bb27e1e9267e0780b131739e3b170126330059e4d3357457f34ced& [26-Mar-25 10:41 PM] tanda#0000 Heck yeah. Got a program going for set import for next popr [26-Mar-25 10:41 PM] jvaler#0000 populated lom palanka [26-Mar-25 10:41 PM] jvaler#0000 strange era [26-Mar-25 10:41 PM] tanda#0000 Leave it to me! [26-Mar-25 10:41 PM] tanda#0000 Next up, chemistry planets [26-Mar-25 10:42 PM] jvaler#0000 ADI resident colonist ๐Ÿซก {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [26-Mar-25 10:42 PM] tanda#0000 I got that pioneering spirit! [27-Mar-25 06:52 AM] tanda#0000 everything fit, so I'm sending everything [27-Mar-25 10:31 AM] archielvahr#0000 The corp HQ efficency boost is most meaningful with expensive workforces, so for construction on Nike that probably means PP4s. And PP3s to supply the PP4s. And you can push WEL off to another planet like Hekaton. The PP4s can take a little effort to supply, but if you wanted you could just pick one to focus on [27-Mar-25 11:30 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Only ADE uses lfabs the rest use rfabs [27-Mar-25 11:32 AM] evov#0000 coughADEcough {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1354855576575676468/image.png?ex=6814f395&is=6813a215&hm=57eac0b21820055d1e96f26c7fb4e561b2ace034f466dd69758a5c6f9ec9a616& [27-Mar-25 11:34 AM] evov#0000 ADE/RDE both use LDE as the input. The rest of the Afabs use their "R" version as a base. [27-Mar-25 11:34 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Did I fat finger that one ๐Ÿ˜‚ [27-Mar-25 11:35 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Darn mobile [27-Mar-25 12:01 PM] jab.sh#0000 if a planet doesn't have a governor do you have to wait until the cycle to run and get elected or is it immediate? [27-Mar-25 12:03 PM] evov#0000 I think you can run/vote shortly after you put the admin center down. [27-Mar-25 12:06 PM] evov#0000 I'd imagine if no-one ran for the last cycle... it would just "pause" the loop until someone does run. Can't remember seeing that situation though tbh. [27-Mar-25 12:17 PM] laaxus#0000 Reached 300M equity ๐ŸŽ‰ {Reactions} danceboi (10) โค๏ธ (3) [27-Mar-25 12:18 PM] jab.sh#0000 ah the time the admin center got built is what determines the cycle? that makes sense [27-Mar-25 12:18 PM] jab.sh#0000 I would hope it pauses and you're not just stuck waiting up to 4 weeks ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Mar-25 03:09 AM] potaterror#0000 Nah, IIRC it's a couple days or something. [28-Mar-25 03:10 AM] potaterror#0000 I started up AJ-293a and it was well under a week. [28-Mar-25 11:07 AM] taiyibureau#0000 The first cycle is much shorter [28-Mar-25 12:18 PM] tanda#0000 Yeah, it's 3 days. [28-Mar-25 12:26 PM] jab.sh#0000 @agerpl @urziolo you guys are both new yeah? any chance I can talk one of you into starting over on Deimos? the planet is completely full so the only way to get a base there now is to start over. I would fully fund it. this is for dnpc, more info in #bulletin-board [28-Mar-25 12:27 PM] jab.sh#0000 ah the first cycle is shorter? neat [28-Mar-25 02:26 PM] jab.sh#0000 @joshuastronomy you too ๐Ÿ‘€ [28-Mar-25 02:29 PM] joshuastronomy#0000 I'd considered this, yeah, with the metallurgy kit? {Reactions} โค๏ธ [28-Mar-25 02:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah more or less [28-Mar-25 02:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The kits just determine your starting materials [28-Mar-25 02:42 PM] joshuastronomy#0000 I can do that, sure. [28-Mar-25 02:55 PM] joshuastronomy#0000 Done, let me know if you've got a base plan you want me to plug in or how the rest of this goes. [28-Mar-25 03:04 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/yesss-fire-mistazelf-excited-restaurant-gif-22088135 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/yesss-fire-mistazelf-excited-restaurant-gif-22088135 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1UThnWUX6hii0xhTNriagKWBc_jkXNTzwYfJe40q5FI/https/media.tenor.com/sWZ2bg0lSvEAAAAe/yesss-fire.png [28-Mar-25 03:53 PM] jab.sh#0000 just sent you a discord invite [29-Mar-25 04:39 AM] pagy1234#0000 what is meant by "material consumption" and why is it increasing by so much๐Ÿ˜ญ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1355476506952077503/Screenshot_2025-03-29_at_5.39.00_PM.png?ex=681492de&is=6813415e&hm=abd455a09443b0d685577aaf1593559d6db8c273624365cad3c0648bae5956fd& [29-Mar-25 04:41 AM] manhim#0000 I think that it's the value of all materials consumed for transformation. [29-Mar-25 04:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 like all inputs? [29-Mar-25 04:42 AM] manhim#0000 Yeah [29-Mar-25 04:42 AM] pagy1234#0000 oohh, its cuz I didnt bother to make my own DDT, [29-Mar-25 04:42 AM] pagy1234#0000 so now its shot all the way up because im buying tons of that [29-Mar-25 04:42 AM] pagy1234#0000 i see [29-Mar-25 04:42 AM] pagy1234#0000 thanks [29-Mar-25 11:21 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 I am looking to extend my shipping service out of KAWA to ADI members. Initially tho i am thinking of opening just my HCB BEN-ANT to ADI do you guys think there is enough volume? Round trip per 3d [29-Mar-25 11:22 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 (Making a logistics empire ๐Ÿ™‚) [29-Mar-25 11:22 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 I basically wanna be the blue frog of prun [29-Mar-25 11:27 AM] laaxus#0000 ah, you're competing with darkfuel ? [29-Mar-25 12:11 PM] jab.sh#0000 and yulun? [29-Mar-25 02:04 PM] tanda#0000 There's room for more shipping for sure [29-Mar-25 02:04 PM] tanda#0000 I'm beginning to import massive amounts of FE [29-Mar-25 08:27 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I dont see darkfuel's shipping network anywhere [29-Mar-25 08:28 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I do know they have 100+ ships. I am not competing with them for most ships tho. Couldnt start to atm [29-Mar-25 08:28 PM] .shiva.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1355715338549067926/image.png?ex=6814c88c&is=6813770c&hm=12b7fbbe5a8b28479f6a928bfe5833ef54b1109c7b51ed4dceeda09cc6425064& [29-Mar-25 08:28 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Well, it'll be rather easy to compete with yulun [29-Mar-25 08:29 PM] .shiva.#0000 if you put up a reasonable LM ad, they'll grab it [29-Mar-25 08:29 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 But i wanna provide faster delivery times and bigger shipment sizes [29-Mar-25 08:29 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Interesting [29-Mar-25 08:29 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 But is this limited to ANT originating conts? [29-Mar-25 08:30 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Most of my logistics are centered around BEN [29-Mar-25 08:30 PM] .shiva.#0000 out of any of the CXs I'd guess, idk [29-Mar-25 08:30 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Hmm [29-Mar-25 08:30 PM] jab.sh#0000 I can't even fathom how you manage 100 ships [29-Mar-25 08:30 PM] .shiva.#0000 a lot of scrolling [29-Mar-25 08:31 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Yea [29-Mar-25 08:31 PM] jab.sh#0000 I really wish this game had proper API support [29-Mar-25 08:31 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Definitely cant do it on mobile anymore with 100 ships lol [29-Mar-25 08:31 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Currently i can still send ships away at 11 FTL, 3 STL ships using my mobile [29-Mar-25 08:32 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 But it has been getting increasingly difficult [29-Mar-25 08:59 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Whats considered reasonable? [29-Mar-25 09:00 PM] .shiva.#0000 25-30k for a full load? idk, haven't used it in a bit [29-Mar-25 09:00 PM] tanda#0000 I pay 30k for inter-CX travel. Full shiploads [29-Mar-25 09:00 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 What ship size? LCBs right? [29-Mar-25 09:01 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Thats easy to undercut ๐Ÿ™‚ [29-Mar-25 09:01 PM] tanda#0000 either, lol. Mostly I fill up WCBs [29-Mar-25 09:01 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Hmm [29-Mar-25 09:02 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 What do you guys think of 8 AIC /t or m3, 40k for 1 HCB shipload ๐Ÿ™‚ [29-Mar-25 09:02 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 3 day round trip ANT BEN [29-Mar-25 09:03 PM] tanda#0000 hmm, I think that I just want more people active in that space. Cheaper's not really my goal [29-Mar-25 09:03 PM] tanda#0000 I really don't want to punish any players trying to break into that space in general [29-Mar-25 09:04 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Hmm, i want monopoly ๐Ÿ˜… [29-Mar-25 09:04 PM] .shiva.#0000 a HCB is like... 12mil? idk. but at 40k that's 300 trips to pay it off... or 900 days for a 3 day round trip [29-Mar-25 09:04 PM] tanda#0000 lol, good luck on the monopoly [29-Mar-25 09:04 PM] .shiva.#0000 and that's ignoring repairs and fuel [29-Mar-25 09:04 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I know xD [29-Mar-25 09:04 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I sell fuel, i am not getting into hauling for the profit [29-Mar-25 09:05 PM] .shiva.#0000 then do w/e you want [29-Mar-25 09:05 PM] tanda#0000 cheaper ships in general is going to drive down the cost of shipping too [29-Mar-25 09:05 PM] .shiva.#0000 if you don't care about profit lol [29-Mar-25 09:05 PM] tanda#0000 if they ever actually release gateways, that will also hugely decrease the cost of shipping [29-Mar-25 09:05 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I still want to cover operational costs [29-Mar-25 09:06 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Thats all cool with me [29-Mar-25 09:06 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Less fuel and time required too [29-Mar-25 09:06 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I wanna make a hauling empire purely because it seems fun ๐Ÿ™‚ [29-Mar-25 09:07 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Just like how governors usually are like "i wanna govern, profit or not i dont care much" [29-Mar-25 09:07 PM] .shiva.#0000 in general, people don't really want to depend on someone else to haul stuff [29-Mar-25 09:07 PM] tanda#0000 speaking as a governor who is in for stepping up new planets, that's fair [29-Mar-25 09:08 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Yea i know that [29-Mar-25 09:08 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 That is very much true [29-Mar-25 09:08 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 That is exactly why i asked here first if people would be interested [29-Mar-25 09:10 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Maybe ship small shipments for free :thonk: [29-Mar-25 09:10 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Yk, to foster inter faction relations ๐Ÿ™‚ [29-Mar-25 09:11 PM] vanarazor#0000 I kind of do [29-Mar-25 09:11 PM] vanarazor#0000 but I have no business outside of ANTARES bubble yet [29-Mar-25 09:12 PM] vanarazor#0000 I have a boucher base but that's the only one that far from ANT [29-Mar-25 09:13 PM] vanarazor#0000 with being said I start opting by simply putting more STO and larger buffer supplies [29-Mar-25 09:13 PM] tanda#0000 I have no business outside of ANT either, lol [29-Mar-25 09:13 PM] tanda#0000 I just sent a ship inter-CX for the first time in like 6 months [29-Mar-25 09:14 PM] vanarazor#0000 I can;t afford to send a ship that far [29-Mar-25 09:14 PM] tanda#0000 my external shipping requirements exist whenever I find deals on stuff elsewhere, or when I need to vacuum up 3-4k FE from the universe as a whole [29-Mar-25 09:15 PM] vanarazor#0000 im suprised SF and FF prices are that stable accross CX [29-Mar-25 09:16 PM] vanarazor#0000 imagine if it was like IRL where gas prices are actually cheaper closer the the refinery and way higher in the desertic areas [29-Mar-25 09:17 PM] vanarazor#0000 what are the incentives to go outside the bubble anyway ? [29-Mar-25 09:17 PM] vanarazor#0000 why would some one go at one end of the universe? [29-Mar-25 09:18 PM] tanda#0000 cheaper goods, fertile planets, resource concentrations. I initially planned an expansion into BEN space due to cheaper FE and a good source of CLI [29-Mar-25 09:18 PM] tanda#0000 I wound up relocalizing that after some discussions here, though [29-Mar-25 09:18 PM] manhim#0000 STO bases far away might become more popular once we can mine asteroids {Reactions} โค๏ธ [29-Mar-25 09:18 PM] vanarazor#0000 I'd love to see that [29-Mar-25 09:19 PM] vanarazor#0000 STO bases, merchants [29-Mar-25 09:19 PM] manhim#0000 Player-made CX [29-Mar-25 09:19 PM] tanda#0000 I'm going to be a bit upset if they don't use micrometeroid density as a guideline to spawn asteroids {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [29-Mar-25 09:19 PM] vanarazor#0000 sick!!! [29-Mar-25 09:19 PM] tanda#0000 I'm having to put up with a lot of hull damage from that stuff already [29-Mar-25 09:19 PM] vanarazor#0000 for real ? [29-Mar-25 09:20 PM] vanarazor#0000 ohhh [29-Mar-25 09:20 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I'm heavily active in two intense systems: KI-401 and SE-110 [29-Mar-25 09:20 PM] tanda#0000 I've had to upgrade my LCBs with shielding to compensate [29-Mar-25 09:20 PM] vanarazor#0000 where do you see asteroid density ? [29-Mar-25 09:20 PM] tanda#0000 under system information for the system: `SYSI SE-110` [29-Mar-25 09:21 PM] tanda#0000 it's automatically collapsed on RPRUN, so you'd need to expand that top section [29-Mar-25 09:21 PM] vanarazor#0000 thank you {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [29-Mar-25 09:21 PM] vanarazor#0000 i was gonna say [29-Mar-25 09:23 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Well, SF prices in BEN are much lower usually [29-Mar-25 09:24 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Hovering around 13-14 [29-Mar-25 09:25 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I had dumped 9 million on the CX a couple weeks ago to prop up prices and it has started to recover now [29-Mar-25 09:25 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Its down to 14.5 [29-Mar-25 09:25 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Volume is thin but that'll get remedied over time [29-Mar-25 09:26 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 What kind of shields did you get? [29-Mar-25 09:27 PM] tanda#0000 AWH. I buy them from Akyan [29-Mar-25 09:27 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Did you go the fancy route of AHP, AWH and APT? [29-Mar-25 09:27 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Oh hmm [29-Mar-25 09:27 PM] tanda#0000 no, I thought about it? but just settled on LHP/AWH [29-Mar-25 09:27 PM] tanda#0000 I compared BHP/LHP and found it was like .02% difference for the flights that were happening [29-Mar-25 09:28 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I'll eventually upgrade all my ships to AHP, AWH and APT so they dont need repairs as often [29-Mar-25 09:28 PM] tanda#0000 I would only do that if I produced them myself, I think [29-Mar-25 09:28 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 ๐Ÿ™‚ [29-Mar-25 09:28 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Maybe i am putting down 2 bases to make them, you never know ๐Ÿ‘€ [29-Mar-25 09:29 PM] tanda#0000 That's a good idea [29-Mar-25 09:29 PM] tanda#0000 and hey, I'm not going to complain about them being more common [29-Mar-25 09:30 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Well, you'll not see them on the market for a long while haha [29-Mar-25 09:30 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 First priority will be KAWA members and between me and Cpt, it'll be a while before anything is even considered to be exported ๐Ÿ˜… [29-Mar-25 09:31 PM] tanda#0000 that's fine. None of the rest of my ships are even candidates for that type of upgrade at this point [29-Mar-25 09:31 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Yea i understand, the uogrades are expensive [29-Mar-25 09:32 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Upgrades* [30-Mar-25 12:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 is it that bad in SE-110? [30-Mar-25 12:42 AM] pagy1234#0000 I am around there quite a bit so i might need to consider getting some of the shielding [30-Mar-25 12:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 does it actually save you any money? since the shields are kinda expensive D: [30-Mar-25 12:44 AM] tanda#0000 honestly I find it worse in KI-401 since the distances are so much bigger. SE-110 is not great, but any STL flight is really short, so damage is limited, even on unshielded ships: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1355779684276899840/image.png?ex=68150479&is=6813b2f9&hm=fb79daccaeb47b52c3729802c3dcb272a678ffc92fd16f89262a5f31ac4f9c8e& [30-Mar-25 12:45 AM] tanda#0000 I don't have my STL only ship for that system shielded, just my two LCBs that have to shuttle all over [30-Mar-25 12:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 ah ok, I see [30-Mar-25 12:46 AM] pagy1234#0000 thanks [30-Mar-25 03:06 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Do not sound the alarm on SF.AI1 price crash - i just needed money [30-Mar-25 09:12 AM] pxlfox.#0000 FLP is running out - last stock is from Rise {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1355907612507377684/image.png?ex=6814d2de&is=6813815e&hm=11780de2c5ea4836a6cf881418d39f14e892acea0ab5e753171d39c802915aa4& [30-Mar-25 11:17 AM] tanda#0000 ...fine I'll swap over to FLP for a couple days [30-Mar-25 11:44 AM] tanda#0000 supply of FLP will triple in about 3 days {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (3) [30-Mar-25 12:27 PM] tanda#0000 hmm, we have a slight problem if anyone wants to tackle it: AEF is not being brought to ANT anymore. Paris was our main supplier, and they're no longer making any [30-Mar-25 12:28 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1355956768689357032/image.png?ex=681500a6&is=6813af26&hm=432847445851f784726810ac4806d30a5a602e128ec4705178d6dff0431467e1& [30-Mar-25 12:28 PM] tanda#0000 It's not a near term problem I don't think, but it is there [30-Mar-25 12:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So youโ€™re saying [30-Mar-25 12:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I should make another pp2 [30-Mar-25 12:28 PM] tanda#0000 Paris was literally keeping the market afloat on AEF [30-Mar-25 12:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 i see what you did there [30-Mar-25 12:29 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, but the real problem is the NE [30-Mar-25 12:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 I've been meaning to set up a base to extract NE for LIT anyway [30-Mar-25 12:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 I still have one open permit [30-Mar-25 12:31 PM] tanda#0000 AEF isn't great money either, not at the point Paris has it at [30-Mar-25 12:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 well, we could totally bump the price up some [30-Mar-25 12:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 that's the nice thing about being the only supplier ๐Ÿ˜› [30-Mar-25 12:33 PM] tanda#0000 and NE is kinda absent from the ANT area. Looks like the best nearby option is over in HRT space [30-Mar-25 12:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 maybe in the 60-75k range so it's good money but not good enough that tons of people want to make it [30-Mar-25 12:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 yeah, I did some looking around a while ago. It's not great, but I have an HCB, and we need _lots_ of LIT for the AGC anyway [30-Mar-25 12:33 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, but it does mean you might want to just process it over there as well [30-Mar-25 12:35 PM] tanda#0000 oh yeah, you'll want to process LIT over there, but HAL would probably want to make AEF closer to the CX [30-Mar-25 12:35 PM] tanda#0000 (also wow LIT uses a lot of NE) [30-Mar-25 12:37 PM] sidepipe#0000 i'll look around a bit. I'm sure I can make some NE appear at ANT no matter where I'm making the LIT, just maybe not a whole base worth [30-Mar-25 12:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 PG and NE yeah? [30-Mar-25 12:48 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, it's easy enough if you get a source for the NE [30-Mar-25 12:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ve got a bit of a stockpile of NE [30-Mar-25 12:49 PM] tanda#0000 I'd say we're probably good for a few weeks at least {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1355962095329480854/image.png?ex=6815059c&is=6813b41c&hm=a4c5629cde2c5eed7c6fe83d104ee1b7e8637c2482cb4b2da285399b907f8c1c& [30-Mar-25 12:49 PM] tanda#0000 as long as nobody panic buys the whole lot [30-Mar-25 12:50 PM] sidepipe#0000 With Paris and Rise gone, there's probably gonna be more of this down the road too ๐Ÿ˜„ [30-Mar-25 12:50 PM] sidepipe#0000 but it's a nice opportunity to build some new stuff [30-Mar-25 12:51 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, It's a bit surprising which markets were being propped up by these titans, even in their absence, they still influence us [30-Mar-25 12:56 PM] sidepipe#0000 actually, I might not need an NE base for a bit. Paris has close to 100k listed at ANT [30-Mar-25 01:12 PM] tanda#0000 that's pretty cool, then [30-Mar-25 05:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Is there some reason everyone starts on promitor? [30-Mar-25 05:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like [30-Mar-25 05:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 A YouTube video or something? [30-Mar-25 05:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like I get itโ€™s good [30-Mar-25 05:53 PM] tanda#0000 I've noticed a lot of the old timers recommend it because "it's the second most fertile planet and permanently capped" [30-Mar-25 05:53 PM] tanda#0000 but I think it's frustrating too. Not everybody wants to start out doing farming, or have the +10% more optimal start [30-Mar-25 05:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [30-Mar-25 05:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I just feel like I missed some memo [30-Mar-25 05:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Not that I wanted to be on promitor [30-Mar-25 05:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The janky ass starter guide I read was really old and out of date and I wanted to mine rocks [30-Mar-25 06:02 PM] jab.sh#0000 I just followed the official prun docs [30-Mar-25 06:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah I did that after I started [30-Mar-25 06:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But I was thinking about getting a good start before I started started [30-Mar-25 06:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Anywho the point is Iโ€™m trying to figure out if there is Promitor Propaganda [30-Mar-25 06:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 If so where can I see it and etc [30-Mar-25 06:11 PM] tanda#0000 I don't watch a lot of media involving PRUN, so I would not be able to tell you [30-Mar-25 06:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I didnโ€™t watch any either [30-Mar-25 06:13 PM] jab.sh#0000 I always find media for these idle-style games a bit strange and boring [30-Mar-25 06:14 PM] tanda#0000 agreed! [30-Mar-25 07:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 very valid [30-Mar-25 07:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i feel like its a hard genre to uh [30-Mar-25 07:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 do well at {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [30-Mar-25 09:36 PM] tanda#0000 Seapear has gone quiet again too, so I guess we're not going to get further PRUN podcasts for the modern era [30-Mar-25 09:44 PM] potaterror#0000 MEA.AI1 just got nuked. [30-Mar-25 09:45 PM] potaterror#0000 Had a bunch up at 12.4K and got cleaned out. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฑ โค๏ธ [30-Mar-25 09:45 PM] tanda#0000 2k gone just like that, lol [30-Mar-25 09:51 PM] vanarazor#0000 NICE [30-Mar-25 09:52 PM] vanarazor#0000 just started producing it : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356098770172903545/image.png?ex=6814dc25&is=68138aa5&hm=2992ff81a7d53a5a34e44a6c5c2c046290cc1c8770d77520682b75c315583049& [30-Mar-25 09:52 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356098903929262211/image.png?ex=6814dc45&is=68138ac5&hm=50fefda5546b9ecea553e8f8bb385e63f550316dc27dcd4c60dc5e9e10b7f521& [30-Mar-25 09:53 PM] vanarazor#0000 when should I repair my ship ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356098984539721858/image.png?ex=6814dc59&is=68138ad9&hm=cfd861b7fa8f0a93d362b01aab2b046973e19b6dcdbe52cee145cf5b0cf46443& [30-Mar-25 09:53 PM] potaterror#0000 80% [30-Mar-25 09:53 PM] tanda#0000 80% or so [30-Mar-25 09:53 PM] tanda#0000 it gets noticeably slower past that point [30-Mar-25 09:53 PM] pagy1234#0000 does it get slower at all before? [30-Mar-25 09:53 PM] pagy1234#0000 or not at all [30-Mar-25 09:54 PM] tanda#0000 not enough that you would notice [30-Mar-25 09:54 PM] tanda#0000 I think it operates much like building decay does [30-Mar-25 09:54 PM] tanda#0000 where the first 60-90 days aren't noticeable, but then decays rapidly after that [30-Mar-25 09:54 PM] vanarazor#0000 it sounds like a dumb question but does a faster engine for the ship consume more fuel ? if yes how much more ? is there a sheet with %consumption per engine ? [30-Mar-25 09:55 PM] tanda#0000 yes, the faster engines consume more fuel. On the flip of that, the FSE offers less thrust in exchange for the lower fuel consumption [30-Mar-25 09:55 PM] tanda#0000 I'm not aware of any ship part sheets, sorry [30-Mar-25 09:56 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah it says saves fuel for the trade of speed or the contrary but it does not give an hint of how much [30-Mar-25 09:57 PM] tanda#0000 I'm not aware of percentages or anything like that, but I can say the FSE is not that much slower than the default engines your starter ships come with [30-Mar-25 09:57 PM] vanarazor#0000 it s like the self drone repair hub [30-Mar-25 09:57 PM] vanarazor#0000 reduces the damage taken from any sources [30-Mar-25 09:57 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah but by how much [30-Mar-25 09:57 PM] vanarazor#0000 because weight will slow me down [30-Mar-25 09:58 PM] vanarazor#0000 but if I can save from repair while trading time [30-Mar-25 09:58 PM] vanarazor#0000 it sounds good anyway [30-Mar-25 09:58 PM] tanda#0000 OOG is definitely the crew to talk to regarding less common ship components [30-Mar-25 09:59 PM] tanda#0000 the majority of the game seems to use the FSE/QCR and be happy about it [30-Mar-25 09:59 PM] tanda#0000 I know I've seen Akyan do deep dives regarding durability loss vs repair cost on tricked out ships [30-Mar-25 09:59 PM] potaterror#0000 HCBs might change that up a bit. [30-Mar-25 09:59 PM] vanarazor#0000 it actually does say for the STL engine im blind that's all : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356100635262455889/image.png?ex=6814dde2&is=68138c62&hm=c3801973af4629682f003465fbaab531d0c79b8c9d4e777ae597e0195a89d2f3& [30-Mar-25 10:01 PM] vanarazor#0000 this must be the most expensive ship : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356101117959864340/image.png?ex=6814de55&is=68138cd5&hm=f00c750bfefec9e9f3d78d0933dd700b1192716ca766e40dfd0f07735f110e33& [30-Mar-25 10:01 PM] vanarazor#0000 ~~I want one ~~I want one fleet of them !! [30-Mar-25 10:02 PM] tanda#0000 NGL, I see a few different things on that ship that aren't necessary, lol [30-Mar-25 10:03 PM] vanarazor#0000 just dreaming here [30-Mar-25 10:03 PM] tanda#0000 I'm active in a few different environments with my ships, and the hull plaes, heat shielding, anti-rad plate and repair drones are not necessary [30-Mar-25 10:04 PM] vanarazor#0000 Im years away of being able to buy this [30-Mar-25 10:04 PM] vanarazor#0000 why do they exists? [30-Mar-25 10:04 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, me too. Repairing that ship would happen once a year, but cost 6mil [30-Mar-25 10:04 PM] vanarazor#0000 probably some far away system will require them one day ? [30-Mar-25 10:06 PM] tanda#0000 they're all multipliers that reduce damage, just from different sources [30-Mar-25 10:07 PM] tanda#0000 so it reduces damage enough to make the repairs take much longer [30-Mar-25 10:15 PM] vanarazor#0000 I don;t trust these high paid politicians !!!! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356104660338868438/image.png?ex=6814e1a2&is=68139022&hm=097e623eb22e4d62e685b2c0fd1ad1eb5b7544dba3a29b91e67cef0e0be3aed6& [30-Mar-25 10:15 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/jon-stewart-what-is-corruption-gif-8771030 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/jon-stewart-what-is-corruption-gif-8771030 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/8_qJHd4cYxxmQPZsC45s-zbiLhuwqwNpGzvCCs-zkCY/https/media.tenor.com/exbuu--55iQAAAAe/jon-stewart-what-is-corruption.png [30-Mar-25 10:18 PM] tanda#0000 next time you post one of these, please run the numbers for recent POPI contributions and post those alongside it [30-Mar-25 10:18 PM] vanarazor#0000 oh Im only just joking [30-Mar-25 10:19 PM] vanarazor#0000 I rather be a shit stirrer than a witch hunter [30-Mar-25 10:19 PM] vanarazor#0000 but I ll do it for this time [30-Mar-25 10:20 PM] tanda#0000 I'm a bit sensitive to this because I have seen people go after perfectly good/valid governors because they thought they were pocketing even the tiniest shred of taxes [30-Mar-25 10:20 PM] vanarazor#0000 Im sure he is legit [30-Mar-25 10:20 PM] vanarazor#0000 and Im not even sure how I ended up on the gov page last time [30-Mar-25 10:20 PM] vanarazor#0000 OH if anything I think governor should definitely be paid for the extra job they are doing [30-Mar-25 10:23 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/love-quotes-for-him-good-gif-26668832 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/love-quotes-for-him-good-gif-26668832 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/JlUU8IrXsJ3I6JgeQS2heHG6FVNDKaOCmwsxhGJuLGA/https/media.tenor.com/mt_ZmoL39QYAAAAe/love-quotes.png {Reactions} โค๏ธ [30-Mar-25 10:26 PM] tanda#0000 [30-Mar-25 10:26 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356107384170221579/image.png?ex=6814e42b&is=681392ab&hm=5c73865a10ba2f3922354dd5bb3b54d84f5edc9d2b841c88ee673e1d5a077a37& [30-Mar-25 10:26 PM] tanda#0000 this is my sales for the day. Not a lot moving of the goods I sell on the CX [30-Mar-25 10:34 PM] vanarazor#0000 this looks like destined for rich clients [30-Mar-25 10:35 PM] tanda#0000 SSC is bought for ship repairs or ship building [30-Mar-25 10:36 PM] tanda#0000 MHL/GC are pretty normalish materials. HCC is bourgeoise af, tho {Reactions} โค๏ธ [30-Mar-25 10:36 PM] vanarazor#0000 that is going to be me soon [30-Mar-25 11:32 PM] realharvey#0000 [30-Mar-25 11:32 PM] realharvey#0000 They have a cool gif now [30-Mar-25 11:35 PM] tanda#0000 AI slop, sadly [30-Mar-25 11:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 What I think is funny is that itโ€™s a Corp discord [31-Mar-25 12:03 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356131668167102474/image.png?ex=6814fac9&is=6813a949&hm=54760534e24aa5ec52481858952b721fca96847eb5ec364f4f7693aa73e08c06& [31-Mar-25 12:03 AM] vanarazor#0000 my current liabilities are my current loans [31-Mar-25 12:04 AM] vanarazor#0000 my quick ratio is my quick assets / quick liabilities [31-Mar-25 12:06 AM] vanarazor#0000 what is my debt here in debt ratio ? [31-Mar-25 12:08 AM] vanarazor#0000 nvm I read again and I understood: total liabilities is my debt so debt ratio is total liabilities / total assets [31-Mar-25 12:08 AM] vanarazor#0000 ( sorry english is not my first language, finance vocabulary never really existed in any langugage I speak) [31-Mar-25 12:09 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s ok English is my first language and finance vocab is like a second language to me {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [31-Mar-25 02:34 AM] laaxus#0000 I love xit gif corgi [31-Mar-25 02:34 AM] laaxus#0000 https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTFhMTdkZTEzYjR0b3p2emszNWxocDE5aGppdDQycnp5enFib3NvNzBtNGtzOHBhYyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3JhbmRvbSZjdD1n/J0nJNHnnukpJm/giphy.webp {Embed} https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTFhMTdkZTEzYjR0b3p2emszNWxocDE5aGppdDQycnp5enFib3NvNzBtNGtzOHBhYyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3JhbmRvbSZjdD1n/J0nJNHnnukpJm/giphy.webp https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/N7-_an6ihV_ndQSPIIKt_7gTEeWzXRpF9bBHZ6smdqo/https/media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTFhMTdkZTEzYjR0b3p2emszNWxocDE5aGppdDQycnp5enFib3NvNzBtNGtzOHBhYyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3JhbmRvbSZjdD1n/J0nJNHnnukpJm/giphy.webp {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ (2) blobdoggo [31-Mar-25 03:49 AM] realharvey#0000 Those GIFs are what keep my company running [31-Mar-25 07:20 AM] tanda#0000 both OVE and PWO are looking a bit thin? Did everyone just start using Hephaestus for FP's or something? [31-Mar-25 07:34 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 On the other hand, PE's price has come down quite a bit... Maybe everyone did that. [31-Mar-25 08:09 AM] tanda#0000 Time to swap over, then? [31-Mar-25 08:39 AM] urziolo#0000 Hello there, there is a motion in my planet [Antares IV-Harmonia], but i don't understand the meaning behind this motion, is there someone i can contant con get more info about it? [31-Mar-25 08:39 AM] magican1980#0000 make more PE and use more from my Carbon ๐Ÿ™‚ [31-Mar-25 08:43 AM] laaxus#0000 Don't ask to ask, just ask [31-Mar-25 08:44 AM] laaxus#0000 could you share a screenshot of that motion [31-Mar-25 08:44 AM] urziolo#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356262866113527978/Screenshot_542.png?ex=6814cc39&is=68137ab9&hm=67c3c5890f08d48a1fcee311292ba63572919f3284148de6966e0d75b6afca05& [31-Mar-25 08:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 caskman likes to make funny names for the motions [31-Mar-25 08:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 thats why [31-Mar-25 08:46 AM] laaxus#0000 ok, in short, as governor, you're expected to pay yourself what the planet needs [31-Mar-25 08:46 AM] laaxus#0000 but governors gives themselves a bit of cash as compensation (they're still in the red) [31-Mar-25 08:46 AM] laaxus#0000 this money comes from taxes [31-Mar-25 08:46 AM] laaxus#0000 (I'm not entirely sure of what I'm saying, don't hesitate to fix me if i'm wrong) [31-Mar-25 08:53 AM] urziolo#0000 What's the meaning of "Planetary Festivities III"? [31-Mar-25 08:54 AM] pagy1234#0000 its a festival on the planet :D [31-Mar-25 08:54 AM] pagy1234#0000 basically it increases the populations happyness [31-Mar-25 08:54 AM] pagy1234#0000 which retains the population [31-Mar-25 08:57 AM] urziolo#0000 Is there somewhere a flow chart to follow for a beginner? [31-Mar-25 08:57 AM] laaxus#0000 to what goal ? [31-Mar-25 08:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 for the planets? [31-Mar-25 08:58 AM] urziolo#0000 For like the beginning expansion, like what are the best decisions someone can make in the first steps [31-Mar-25 08:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 use the https://prunplanner.org/manage website to plan out your bases {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/manage PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [31-Mar-25 08:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 there isnt an exact chart of what to do, you can expand however you want [31-Mar-25 08:59 AM] sidepipe#0000 There's not really a good beginner expansion guide. But we're happy to answer any questions! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [31-Mar-25 08:59 AM] sidepipe#0000 Up to and including "what the heck should I do next" [31-Mar-25 08:59 AM] sidepipe#0000 I still ask that sometimes and I've been playing for over a year ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-Mar-25 09:00 AM] laaxus#0000 Sometimes, there's nothing to do next [31-Mar-25 09:00 AM] laaxus#0000 except waiting [31-Mar-25 09:00 AM] laaxus#0000 and maintening [31-Mar-25 09:01 AM] laaxus#0000 which is really nice [31-Mar-25 09:01 AM] sidepipe#0000 and watching the bank account balance grow ๐Ÿค‘ [31-Mar-25 09:01 AM] tanda#0000 This is the hardest part for me and why I'm always cash poor [31-Mar-25 09:01 AM] sidepipe#0000 but for what it's worth, I started out with a farming base, so there were a few things that made sense after that - started making RATs on Norwick, then CL on griffonstone, then eventually LABs for DDT [31-Mar-25 09:02 AM] sidepipe#0000 but you don't need to go the vertical integration route, it's just what made sense to me at the time [31-Mar-25 09:06 AM] sidepipe#0000 it's the easiest part for me. I spend maybe half an hour after work sending out ships, then go off and play something else ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [31-Mar-25 09:06 AM] sidepipe#0000 the hardest thing is actually convincing myself to drop another permit somewhere, and literally just because it takes additional effort [31-Mar-25 09:07 AM] sidepipe#0000 i know that makes it sound like I don't enjoy the game, but I really do - I'm just lazy ๐Ÿ˜… [31-Mar-25 09:24 AM] magican1980#0000 same for me ๐Ÿ™‚ but I'm now in a position with 4-6 Mio weekly profit and looking for 3-4 Mio on liquid cash in my used currencys ๐Ÿ™‚ [31-Mar-25 09:27 AM] sidepipe#0000 for a second I thought you meant 4-6M daily profit and I felt suddenly inadequate [31-Mar-25 09:30 AM] urziolo#0000 I started on Antares IV-Harmonia as a Victualler, and i'm extracting H20 to grow BEA-GRN-VEG and then i'm using them to produce RAT Is there any reason you preferred to produce RATs on YK-649 - Norwick? [31-Mar-25 09:33 AM] sidepipe#0000 just for the COGC bonus, that way I could devote all of Harmonia (my starter planet as well ๐Ÿ™‚ ) to farming [31-Mar-25 09:33 AM] urziolo#0000 COGC bonus? [31-Mar-25 09:43 AM] urziolo#0000 I think this is my current situation, i bought some materials for other Farms {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356277747986727046/Screenshot_543.png?ex=6814da15&is=68138895&hm=77b355d3f067321542aca66b59fc61c5044cae922279e2a1e4571b831a9e883b& [31-Mar-25 09:54 AM] magican1980#0000 first try to increase your production on your homeplanet [31-Mar-25 09:55 AM] magican1980#0000 for a second planet you will need 175-200k credits [31-Mar-25 09:55 AM] magican1980#0000 and the items to build that planet up [31-Mar-25 09:58 AM] urziolo#0000 I didn't see that Demolishing gives the full materials, so even if i build a second FP on Harmonia it isn't a waste, Nice [31-Mar-25 10:00 AM] pagy1234#0000 if im not mistaken, the BEA + GRN + NUT recipe is slightly cheaper than the BEA + GRN + VEG recipe [31-Mar-25 10:00 AM] pagy1234#0000 since VEG uses 9 H2O for 12 VEG, while NUT only uses 1 H2O for 12 [31-Mar-25 10:00 AM] pagy1234#0000 but there may be a difference for speed [31-Mar-25 10:01 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 only if you demolish pretty quickly. Otherwise, repairs start to accumulate. You still get back most of it though. [31-Mar-25 10:19 AM] vanarazor#0000 dude!!!! [31-Mar-25 10:19 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356286745603211344/image.png?ex=6814e276&is=681390f6&hm=8c3ce88cb7891f0ac66fb30b3c34145d227b20d85196361658a3eefea3a4bdb0& {Reactions} RAT (8) [31-Mar-25 10:21 AM] sidepipe#0000 what? how? [31-Mar-25 10:24 AM] vanarazor#0000 I had to zoom in, I cold not believe [31-Mar-25 11:26 AM] pxlfox.#0000 April 1st? [31-Mar-25 12:04 PM] jab.sh#0000 is that rprun? or stock [31-Mar-25 12:07 PM] avalock#0000 ๐Ÿ€ :woopsNomnom: [31-Mar-25 12:07 PM] avalock#0000 Tasty [31-Mar-25 12:52 PM] marat_sh#0000 Do not the ratโ€ฆ I repeat do not the rat [31-Mar-25 12:52 PM] jab.sh#0000 do not the rat [31-Mar-25 12:55 PM] jvaler#0000 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1128387249088761936/1159020693489459291/advanced-shitposting-technologyb.gif?ex=651e5da2&is=651d0c22&hm=9073d834359170d7aad6c6ed16ae6b74ec41030494d7057b63e3c764a1feecff& {Embed} https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1128387249088761936/1159020693489459291/advanced-shitposting-technologyb.gif?ex=651e5da2&is=651d0c22&hm=9073d834359170d7aad6c6ed16ae6b74ec41030494d7057b63e3c764a1feecff& https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1128387249088761936/1159020693489459291/advanced-shitposting-technologyb.gif?ex=681514e2&is=6813c362&hm=6abbaa13440e06a40493f0c9a700692bf9d21a04c3d428d04a91733c2ee8fa89& [31-Mar-25 12:55 PM] jvaler#0000 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/512356777451323393/1164422335353331732/yourewelcome.gif?ex=654327ce&is=6530b2ce&hm=fd6049e0696e50be9ab11429943a637e0dcb991240c387ee9ac4294412d70840& {Embed} https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/512356777451323393/1164422335353331732/yourewelcome.gif?ex=654327ce&is=6530b2ce&hm=fd6049e0696e50be9ab11429943a637e0dcb991240c387ee9ac4294412d70840& https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/512356777451323393/1164422335353331732/yourewelcome.gif?ex=6814f50e&is=6813a38e&hm=e1a067ab2a34e3ca43d90c62ed1b01716899e7e8b1eed27f2cd2a7f38b900058& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿ’ฐ RAT (2) [31-Mar-25 01:11 PM] finestone#0000 @laaxus Am I doing this right? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356330039314087966/image.png?ex=68150ac8&is=6813b948&hm=4958fd53deccaf93b0b5f5d19d03e8e07aba9c1f688e36f298dfbad450b689c3& [31-Mar-25 01:11 PM] laaxus#0000 is it bid or ask ? [31-Mar-25 01:12 PM] finestone#0000 That only includes Bids [31-Mar-25 01:13 PM] laaxus#0000 I would feel stressed with that little cash, but that's the idea ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-Mar-25 01:40 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 why are all my bases suddenly overrun with rats [31-Mar-25 01:40 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 helppppppppp [31-Mar-25 04:59 PM] vanarazor#0000 Hahaha [31-Mar-25 05:20 PM] tanda#0000 ASSRATs??? oh no! [31-Mar-25 05:35 PM] tanda#0000 Anybody else having some issues with this new player grabbing LM contracts in ANT when they're based in MOR? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356396456470384750/image.png?ex=68149fe3&is=68134e63&hm=9deb90054bc6301e9541a267bf7cba97e54717fec01cda570bcb45cf923dc47b& [31-Mar-25 05:35 PM] tanda#0000 I let my last one sit for 2 days and they didn't even pickup the shipment [31-Mar-25 05:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 no [31-Mar-25 05:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but then again I don't do LM [31-Mar-25 06:17 PM] manhim#0000 Yeah, they took 1 of my contract, no pickup in 2 days. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356407156672565278/Screenshot_20250331-191708.png?ex=6814a9da&is=6813585a&hm=cf43ce2ef02da04fcea9ed21a730fee19e7069b1ed3fc479ce309198b9eb6615& [31-Mar-25 06:18 PM] manhim#0000 Still got 3 days ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿปโ€โ™‚๏ธ [31-Mar-25 06:20 PM] manhim#0000 Not anormal for those LM ads to take a few days, but I'll keep an eye on it. [31-Mar-25 06:20 PM] tanda#0000 I requested termination on the last one after waiting 2 out of 3 days [31-Mar-25 06:20 PM] tanda#0000 I'm going to start putting them up with 1-2 days on them going forward I think [31-Mar-25 07:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well maybe his rating will tank and pirate report can warn everyone [31-Mar-25 07:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 if he doesn't go through with this [31-Mar-25 07:59 PM] tanda#0000 I would rather not. I did send a tell and he seemed confused when I pointed out it was on the opposite side of the galaxy [31-Mar-25 07:59 PM] tanda#0000 he apparently has a ship in this area. Weird, if you ask me [31-Mar-25 07:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 very weird [31-Mar-25 08:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well I pray for the arrival of your goods [31-Mar-25 08:01 PM] tanda#0000 at least it's not the previous contract {Reactions} true [31-Mar-25 08:01 PM] tanda#0000 desperately needed POPI goods [01-Apr-25 06:04 AM] razenpok#0000 @tanda is this you? :eyes: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356585073876406343/image.png?ex=6814a6cd&is=6813554d&hm=1a675ea3fa6d31f1df7b6a71069430f3ee27340e0a6986ddff644d562a57d8ff& [01-Apr-25 06:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 wth [01-Apr-25 06:36 AM] tanda#0000 not all of it, no. But I did flip all 3 of my WEL bases over to SSC for a few days when the galaxy ran out. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356593070119981056/image.png?ex=6814ae40&is=68135cc0&hm=bca1d5d87cbc3f82f0dd63baa21f0e1764f7cb49b6889725c79d6c00c3037ed6& [01-Apr-25 06:36 AM] tanda#0000 That's cool that you can literally see me on the economics report, though! [01-Apr-25 06:39 AM] razenpok#0000 ~~OwO notices your bulge~~ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [01-Apr-25 07:21 AM] tanda#0000 wow that really is a striking graph out of nowhere on the ECON report [01-Apr-25 07:21 AM] tanda#0000 literally everything else looks normal (except LFP) [01-Apr-25 08:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Could someone repost the recruitment post in the local planet chat of Phobos? (Youโ€™ll find it in the planet chats of Deimos and Harmonia) [01-Apr-25 08:14 AM] magican1980#0000 yes I like this new sight of the Leaderboard ๐Ÿ™‚ [01-Apr-25 09:57 AM] archielvahr#0000 I also flipped my WELs to SSC that week but I only made about 2k. [01-Apr-25 09:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 FIO and rPRUN return diffrent burn rates - does FIO not include building degradation? [01-Apr-25 09:58 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Am I misreading the graph? 2k still looks like 1/3 of total production (on the peak day, so maybe that's the difference: day vs week) [01-Apr-25 10:00 AM] archielvahr#0000 So those line charts are running 24 hour totals. So if you have something where the universe wide production is 0.. and someone makes 1 of them, then you have the line rise from 0 to 1 for 24 hours, then drop back down. [01-Apr-25 10:00 AM] archielvahr#0000 So at midnight 3/19, there were approximately 6000 SSC made within the previous 24 hours [01-Apr-25 10:01 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Ah, ok, so thats a bit harder to read then, but makes sense. Its still day vs week as the biggest piece though. [01-Apr-25 10:02 AM] archielvahr#0000 So when you see stuff like this: http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_2025-04-01_10-02-06.png {Embed} http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_2025-04-01_10-02-06.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/HpNZnrXsv1v224_rnjRjzfiQv1ew-2u1DEu-A05Fc2w/http/kortham.net/temp/firefox_2025-04-01_10-02-06.png [01-Apr-25 10:02 AM] archielvahr#0000 It's from someone doing big runs (20 at a time) maybe on multiple buildings at the same time. So all that occured at one point basically. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [01-Apr-25 11:36 AM] .urpalhal#0000 wooh topped the leader board for a week {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356668588089675868/image.png?ex=6814f495&is=6813a315&hm=0567f1adfaf6d0c96082c1a35f9637e1980caaf8f3746370c36d23bc9d518cfd& {Reactions} antares_initiative โค๏ธ [01-Apr-25 11:38 AM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356669107076075813/image.png?ex=6814f510&is=6813a390&hm=d4d8759f2e6d3d151b64d32de3c3942a13c3fac5181159c22fdf07d201a19448& [01-Apr-25 11:38 AM] .urpalhal#0000 did it for two things from UPFs! [01-Apr-25 11:39 AM] .urpalhal#0000 my week of 12 UPFs was very productive [01-Apr-25 11:39 AM] realharvey#0000 good job :) [01-Apr-25 11:39 AM] razenpok#0000 What's your rprun version? [01-Apr-25 11:39 AM] razenpok#0000 (bottom right) [01-Apr-25 11:40 AM] .urpalhal#0000 v25.3.17 [01-Apr-25 11:41 AM] realharvey#0000 how is that still an old versioon [01-Apr-25 11:41 AM] razenpok#0000 Huh, it's not updating to the latest [01-Apr-25 11:41 AM] .urpalhal#0000 well its my janky work computer so {Reactions} blobok [01-Apr-25 11:41 AM] .urpalhal#0000 my home computer is at the latest so [01-Apr-25 11:42 AM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356670006057894050/image.png?ex=6814f5e7&is=6813a467&hm=8b8eed3548696c9b7d73d00fa919c4ec2e6fcc1bc8499f08a7e99a9952376684& [01-Apr-25 11:42 AM] razenpok#0000 >Run in Private Windows :dread: {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ‘† [01-Apr-25 11:43 AM] .urpalhal#0000 :RSZeroShrugIDK: [01-Apr-25 11:43 AM] .urpalhal#0000 i don't use private windows anyways so who cares [01-Apr-25 11:43 AM] realharvey#0000 ... sure [01-Apr-25 11:43 AM] .urpalhal#0000 not at work {Reactions} truss [01-Apr-25 11:44 AM] .urpalhal#0000 anywho forced it to update [01-Apr-25 11:45 AM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356670847900717146/image.png?ex=6814f6af&is=6813a52f&hm=232d4a79979f1e61a203ac1faf1dd7e00c621092917473e17c409aab2631a531& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356670848161022252/image.png?ex=6814f6af&is=6813a52f&hm=fc32a6918d631f8ab18f7780d158011d4ead17253c57f9fe2591cc1653288422& {Reactions} danceboi (2) [01-Apr-25 11:46 AM] razenpok#0000 It's also "2 reviews" now, so it was probably out of date in general [01-Apr-25 11:46 AM] razenpok#0000 ~~Mom, I've got two reviews on the store!~~ [01-Apr-25 11:46 AM] realharvey#0000 I am really considering getting nitro just for that dog emote {Reactions} danceboi (3) [01-Apr-25 11:47 AM] realharvey#0000 dont tempt me {Reactions} blobdoggo DancieBoi (4) [01-Apr-25 11:48 AM] .urpalhal#0000 :danceboi: [01-Apr-25 11:49 AM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/0UqLy6RXCOjPiTP7wU8wK0S2j4Yu9rskR4BdjswwmyY/https/media.tenor.com/x9HyTfKBXVEAAAAe/doja-cat.png [01-Apr-25 11:50 AM] .urpalhal#0000 woah is that 3 reviews i see {Reactions} whoa 3๏ธโƒฃ blobheart [01-Apr-25 11:52 AM] .urpalhal#0000 made an account just for you pookie :givelove: {Reactions} blobthanks [01-Apr-25 12:17 PM] pagy1234#0000 wait, quick question, when I go into the Prun planner ROI overview page, It says that almost all Items in the UPF are produced at a steep loss, how can that be correct if you are out here producing tons of stuff? [01-Apr-25 12:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 bc I make the things that go into them [01-Apr-25 12:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 they use tons of PSL, PSM and expensive things like LIS [01-Apr-25 12:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and some of the products are also not put up for sell on the CX [01-Apr-25 12:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so the sell price is "0" [01-Apr-25 12:20 PM] pagy1234#0000 oh so this ROI overview page is just telling me that the materials you put in loose X amout of value when you turn it into that item? [01-Apr-25 12:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yep [01-Apr-25 12:20 PM] pagy1234#0000 and when you make it yourself you dont really have to care i guess [01-Apr-25 12:20 PM] pagy1234#0000 alr [01-Apr-25 12:20 PM] pagy1234#0000 makes sense, thanks [01-Apr-25 12:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 of course [01-Apr-25 12:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 also 12 UPFs is a lot [01-Apr-25 12:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i was just moving my base as I was trying to move production closer to the CX [01-Apr-25 12:21 PM] pagy1234#0000 ah nice, ok [01-Apr-25 12:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 tbh 6 is a lot too [01-Apr-25 12:22 PM] pagy1234#0000 man, its so hard to make the fancy things, you always need like 5 support bases making 10 different things to make the materials that just dont exist otherwise D: [01-Apr-25 12:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yup D: [01-Apr-25 12:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 hence its taken so long to make PSK make full ships [01-Apr-25 12:23 PM] pagy1234#0000 do you have any advice on which of the "support" bases I could start with? [01-Apr-25 12:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 one that makes PSM PSL I think could be good [01-Apr-25 12:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 just going off of PSL price [01-Apr-25 12:24 PM] pagy1234#0000 oh yeah those are used in all the UPF recipes [01-Apr-25 12:24 PM] pagy1234#0000 will take a look at it [01-Apr-25 12:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 its hard to say tho bc like if i say electronics you'll have no one to sell to {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [01-Apr-25 12:25 PM] igfloz#0000 I would appreciate more PSL / PSM also for my part in PSK ops ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [01-Apr-25 12:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 bc those are so vertically integrated [01-Apr-25 12:27 PM] igfloz#0000 I don't use a lot/day, but when I have to stock up the CX can be so cruel ๐Ÿ˜ฆ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356681298584010782/image.png?ex=6815006b&is=6813aeeb&hm=6707bb1890bf51fce4f2dfbafaa0d4e6780e4321cda83ba440ff4c8dfd205d3b& [01-Apr-25 12:28 PM] igfloz#0000 ^^ they go into Electronics etc. for PSK btw [01-Apr-25 12:28 PM] pagy1234#0000 ah cool [01-Apr-25 12:29 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah prun planner says its about a 18-19day ROI on a 1.2 mil base which isnt horrendous [01-Apr-25 12:29 PM] pagy1234#0000 like 19d is a bit of a stretch but It will probably work [01-Apr-25 12:30 PM] igfloz#0000 I wouldn't say you will sell loads on the CX, but I would certainly appreciate a "fairer" price ๐Ÿ˜„ [01-Apr-25 12:31 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, maybe something to consider a bit further into the future, will save the plan tho, something to consider at least. [01-Apr-25 12:32 PM] igfloz#0000 They are basically all PG hogs, so if you can get a good supply of PG, then you could be golden [01-Apr-25 12:33 PM] pagy1234#0000 oh yeah, I need 2000+ a day for a base ๐Ÿ˜† [01-Apr-25 12:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356682971750465586/image.png?ex=681501fa&is=6813b07a&hm=96bacbf1f940aa64f3011cd6f96214f803a9fa7b281a335894aa422974d87133& [01-Apr-25 12:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 thats what i would need to keep my UPFs always running [01-Apr-25 12:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 which is insane [01-Apr-25 12:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 its like 3 bases production of PSM and PSL {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [01-Apr-25 12:34 PM] pagy1234#0000 If I build a full PPF base and have max experts I still couldnt cover that ๐Ÿ˜… [01-Apr-25 12:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so like i don't have them always running [01-Apr-25 12:35 PM] igfloz#0000 I know @laaxus has previously told of the benefit of having a PG base (It's used in loads of things) - so you could vertically integrate a portion of it (or even fully integrate) if you produce any of the source mats [01-Apr-25 12:37 PM] pagy1234#0000 is PG not sutable for production without making one of the inputs? [01-Apr-25 12:38 PM] igfloz#0000 oh, it is good to do for anyone - just saying if you already produce any of the source mats, it might be easier on the wallet [01-Apr-25 12:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 it is possible on Origo to have 20 POL an ext and 2 bmps i think and you would only need to source C and H {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [01-Apr-25 12:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but yeah the CX market for it is pretty good and stable [01-Apr-25 12:39 PM] realharvey#0000 MG for PG is so cheap I wouldnt waste any space for that [01-Apr-25 12:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 very valid [01-Apr-25 12:41 PM] pagy1234#0000 if I do full POL base (24) then I can get a 22d ROI [01-Apr-25 12:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 anything under 30d is pretty good imo [01-Apr-25 12:42 PM] realharvey#0000 roi is not as good because Origo has INS requirement [01-Apr-25 12:42 PM] pagy1234#0000 this base is 1.6mil tho so it much more per day than the PPF base [01-Apr-25 12:42 PM] pagy1234#0000 I did the plan on griffstone [01-Apr-25 12:42 PM] pagy1234#0000 triple green so no add on cost [01-Apr-25 12:44 PM] realharvey#0000 well if you wanna go for pure ROI you ccould do a WPL base on heph [01-Apr-25 12:44 PM] realharvey#0000 8.8 Days ROI [01-Apr-25 12:44 PM] laaxus#0000 Pure roi, I would go for chp [01-Apr-25 12:45 PM] pagy1234#0000 to make NL? [01-Apr-25 12:45 PM] realharvey#0000 correct [01-Apr-25 12:45 PM] laaxus#0000 Chp is also 9d roi, but cl is much more stable than NL [01-Apr-25 12:45 PM] realharvey#0000 CHP is more heavy tho [01-Apr-25 12:46 PM] pagy1234#0000 HAL -> CL? [01-Apr-25 12:46 PM] laaxus#0000 Yeah [01-Apr-25 12:46 PM] pagy1234#0000 I already did that on electronica but still waiting for population to fill [01-Apr-25 12:46 PM] igfloz#0000 Oh, was it Cl you were championing, not PG ?? I might have got it wrong [01-Apr-25 12:47 PM] igfloz#0000 All I remember it was a chem base , lol [01-Apr-25 12:47 PM] laaxus#0000 I think we could build like 4 or 5 Chp bases, and it would still not be enough to fill the market [01-Apr-25 12:48 PM] pagy1234#0000 well wherever they go, It cant be electronica, SET population is struggleing imo [01-Apr-25 12:48 PM] laaxus#0000 I have chp on electronica and griffonstone [01-Apr-25 12:48 PM] laaxus#0000 And pol base on origo and ki-840c [01-Apr-25 12:48 PM] laaxus#0000 I do hal -> CL -> EPO [01-Apr-25 12:49 PM] pagy1234#0000 lets see if theres a bunch of immigration suddenly or smt but I coincidentally put my base down at the same time as PIboy so i don know if it will fill [01-Apr-25 12:49 PM] pagy1234#0000 the EPO base doesnt have amazing ROI tho D: [01-Apr-25 12:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have CHP on Bober [01-Apr-25 12:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 its really close to the cx [01-Apr-25 12:50 PM] laaxus#0000 That's because CL is so god damn expensive [01-Apr-25 12:51 PM] pagy1234#0000 thats a ctually perfect, if I get a PG base down, It makes enough to support a PPF base and a WPL base fully, and I could still sell some extra PG on the CX :D [01-Apr-25 12:52 PM] laaxus#0000 I have a full ppf base on hepha [01-Apr-25 12:52 PM] laaxus#0000 Producing psm only [01-Apr-25 12:52 PM] laaxus#0000 But there's a lack of production for every ppf product [01-Apr-25 12:52 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm sure many older player would love to get rid of ppf [01-Apr-25 12:52 PM] laaxus#0000 But they can't because there's no production [01-Apr-25 12:54 PM] pagy1234#0000 howcome? [01-Apr-25 12:54 PM] laaxus#0000 Ppf is a lower tier base [01-Apr-25 12:55 PM] laaxus#0000 Older player want bigger tier bases [01-Apr-25 12:56 PM] sidepipe#0000 I would love to get rid of them for my BWS production [01-Apr-25 12:56 PM] sidepipe#0000 But itโ€™s definitely a chicken and egg problem [01-Apr-25 12:56 PM] pagy1234#0000 I want bigger tier bases too D: [01-Apr-25 12:56 PM] pagy1234#0000 actualy a WPL base doesnt work anywhere but on a triple green [01-Apr-25 12:57 PM] pagy1234#0000 45d ROI on Astraeus [01-Apr-25 12:57 PM] pagy1234#0000 maybe thats not good the D: [01-Apr-25 12:57 PM] pagy1234#0000 would like to use heph for PPF since it makes more money for the area [01-Apr-25 12:59 PM] .shiva.#0000 It depends on the type of red [01-Apr-25 12:59 PM] .shiva.#0000 Some are per building, some are by area [01-Apr-25 12:59 PM] .shiva.#0000 So WPL is good when you only need 1 mat per building since there's like 8 of them to a planet [01-Apr-25 12:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like HSE [01-Apr-25 01:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Or TSH I believe [01-Apr-25 01:00 PM] pagy1234#0000 wdym? [01-Apr-25 01:00 PM] pagy1234#0000 like its good when you have a mixed base? [01-Apr-25 01:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Letโ€™s say the planet needs HSE since you will have less buildings when using WPL that type of base would be a good fit for that planet [01-Apr-25 01:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Where as INS or SEA are a per area used metric [01-Apr-25 01:02 PM] pagy1234#0000 ahh, ok I see {Reactions} DancieBoi [01-Apr-25 01:03 PM] pagy1234#0000 oh yeah, on a planet that only needs HSE (like QJ-382a) its just 28d roi [01-Apr-25 01:03 PM] pagy1234#0000 meh, still not amazing tho [01-Apr-25 01:04 PM] pagy1234#0000 I guess NL will be something that I make farther in the future [01-Apr-25 01:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 How many bases are you at rn? [01-Apr-25 01:07 PM] pagy1234#0000 7 [01-Apr-25 01:08 PM] pagy1234#0000 just about to get 9th permit so looking at what to do next [01-Apr-25 01:08 PM] laaxus#0000 Yeah you definitly don't want to build higher tier yet [01-Apr-25 01:08 PM] laaxus#0000 Not worth it [01-Apr-25 01:08 PM] laaxus#0000 Until hq20, you should think of roi [01-Apr-25 01:08 PM] pagy1234#0000 so what do I do? I cant just stick to farming forever right? [01-Apr-25 01:09 PM] laaxus#0000 After hq20, start thinking in profit per permit [01-Apr-25 01:09 PM] laaxus#0000 Do whatever sounds fun to you {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [01-Apr-25 01:09 PM] pagy1234#0000 but it needs to make money D: [01-Apr-25 01:09 PM] laaxus#0000 But if you want to maximise growth [01-Apr-25 01:09 PM] laaxus#0000 And money making [01-Apr-25 01:09 PM] pagy1234#0000 I wanna make ships, but thats all bloody expensive [01-Apr-25 01:10 PM] laaxus#0000 I would have at least 2 chp bases to eat the hal base production, at the very least [01-Apr-25 01:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You could try making puddle jumpers [01-Apr-25 01:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Not FTL stuff using glass engines [01-Apr-25 01:11 PM] pagy1234#0000 STL ships? [01-Apr-25 01:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Good for many bases in one system [01-Apr-25 01:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yup [01-Apr-25 01:12 PM] realharvey#0000 I only have one STL Ship. I don't like ships being stuck [01-Apr-25 01:13 PM] pagy1234#0000 I could make the parts of STL ships that are interchangable with FTL ships aswell? [01-Apr-25 01:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yep [01-Apr-25 01:13 PM] pagy1234#0000 like instead of making things like CQT and BRS, I would make like MCB and GEN [01-Apr-25 01:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I just donโ€™t know how many people buy ship parts off the CX [01-Apr-25 01:15 PM] pagy1234#0000 EvoV said he made 30 mil on the CX in the week that I asked him [01-Apr-25 01:15 PM] pagy1234#0000 but he probably covers alot more item than I could [01-Apr-25 01:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Anywho I feel like Iโ€™m the worst person to ask what to do [01-Apr-25 01:17 PM] pagy1234#0000 for sure not D: [01-Apr-25 01:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I run off vibes [01-Apr-25 01:17 PM] realharvey#0000 Evo also has enough budget to keep things that do not sell frequently {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [01-Apr-25 01:18 PM] realharvey#0000 even I run into trouble when my stuff does not sell {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [01-Apr-25 01:18 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah I guess [01-Apr-25 01:19 PM] pagy1234#0000 I guess I just go with the PG -> PSL/M strat [01-Apr-25 01:19 PM] pagy1234#0000 will make my CM's a little cheaper too :D [01-Apr-25 01:19 PM] igfloz#0000 could you stretch to PSS also ? [01-Apr-25 01:22 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ll also buy PSS if you happen to sell it! [01-Apr-25 01:24 PM] sidepipe#0000 And at this point, Iโ€™m basically committed to farming and DDT forever ๐Ÿ˜„ [01-Apr-25 01:25 PM] sidepipe#0000 I just put down my third DDT LAB base and another for CHP for CL [01-Apr-25 01:27 PM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah probably, all 3 have the same ROI anyways so il just make whatever is needed most likely [01-Apr-25 02:06 PM] vanarazor#0000 Intesresting reading [01-Apr-25 02:06 PM] vanarazor#0000 This morning [01-Apr-25 07:02 PM] jvaler#0000 it looks like there's a tiny bit of demand for BGO that's chipping away at my listing. if anyone has FS production avaliable they could fill the need {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356780672181862510/image.png?ex=6814b438&is=681362b8&hm=c6174bcb36a39e7272e6c23abe560ff87a96d2215b5ffb08687c9b7558599b53& [01-Apr-25 07:02 PM] jvaler#0000 dunno how profitable 2500/u is tho shrug [01-Apr-25 07:16 PM] tanda#0000 dang those are all the same people, lol [01-Apr-25 07:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Haha yeah [01-Apr-25 07:30 PM] getonthetrain#0000 I'll be back to making BGO soon, just finishing up something for Archiel today [01-Apr-25 07:58 PM] marat_sh#0000 what's with KOM? [01-Apr-25 08:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 some guy who was making a lot raised his prices {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ต [01-Apr-25 08:10 PM] jcheung#0000 ...say, jvaler do you still make KOM [01-Apr-25 08:21 PM] tanda#0000 it doesn't look like it [01-Apr-25 08:22 PM] tanda#0000 the real issue with KOM is that it's still probably losing money right now with HER prices [01-Apr-25 08:26 PM] marat_sh#0000 oh yeah makes sense now [01-Apr-25 08:27 PM] tanda#0000 this FIM/MEA ridiculousness is causing a lot of problems, even if there is money to be made right now [01-Apr-25 08:28 PM] marat_sh#0000 I wanna see how market reacts to sidepipes DDT expansion [01-Apr-25 08:28 PM] marat_sh#0000 if it's not enough I will drop one more base for DDT [01-Apr-25 08:30 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm slightly sad that i tuned down my DDT production [01-Apr-25 08:36 PM] tanda#0000 I've got 7k THF on hand still, I swapped my base over to DDT as well [01-Apr-25 08:37 PM] jvaler#0000 =P {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356804667841056868/image.png?ex=6814ca91&is=68137911&hm=ae3ef370b2ce870f65db8a207c1c8ce241ac5809cef08cec24eb5eef08a1cd04& [01-Apr-25 08:37 PM] jcheung#0000 so... maybe [01-Apr-25 08:38 PM] jvaler#0000 a consensus hasn't been reached, we'll get back to you in 3-5 business days [01-Apr-25 08:38 PM] jcheung#0000 hmmm [01-Apr-25 08:44 PM] jvaler#0000 PSA, you can do `[mat].max` calculations in input fields got added to pmmg a while ago and i've never seen anyone mention it so i feel like some people might not know about it lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356806484574474390/image.png?ex=6814cc42&is=68137ac2&hm=91d22cc1d02f92b20b830cd989e21f8fbe923888e79bffb31a69338400778c6a& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356806485027324045/image.png?ex=6814cc42&is=68137ac2&hm=a1dcadf00299166126dcd7047ac4c7441878f0afa37537859458a59d7018437d& [01-Apr-25 08:45 PM] tanda#0000 how does that work? does a calculation based on both the MAT's weight and volume, and settles on the lesser of the two numbers? [01-Apr-25 08:46 PM] jvaler#0000 afaik yeah [01-Apr-25 08:47 PM] jvaler#0000 wait was it a pmmg feature? i swear i remember it before rprun but maybe i'm stupid [01-Apr-25 08:48 PM] tanda#0000 idk, like you suspected, this is the first I've heard of it [01-Apr-25 08:48 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah i think it's pmmg, cause it's not listed in the rprun changelog [01-Apr-25 08:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 like XIT O.max? [01-Apr-25 08:52 PM] tanda#0000 looks to be usable in MTRA or CXPO buffers [01-Apr-25 08:53 PM] evov#0000 Happy to share my CX data if people really want to see it. {Reactions} RSZeroShrugIDK [01-Apr-25 08:53 PM] jvaler#0000 no it's a math function for input fields {Reactions} fishahhh (2) [01-Apr-25 08:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I was mainly just thinking about the less complicated ship parts [01-Apr-25 08:55 PM] evov#0000 Managing cash flow issues was one of the harder parts about setting up ship production. I underestimated the amount of cash/value that would be tied up in the process ... greatly. Today that's a sunk cost for me so I'm not super concerned with it. But it is a significant hurdle that needs to be overcome in order to do any high end niche production imo. [01-Apr-25 08:55 PM] manhim#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356809280036016190/image.png?ex=6814cedc&is=68137d5c&hm=313bcfb5fd574947fa07fe7e833478cf7fb09b2f633163431671a25e82f71f3f& [01-Apr-25 10:40 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356835775345328280/image.png?ex=6814e789&is=68139609&hm=224ab62174b55c791e6607dd06476736837095ac95c578c8cfa97ecbaa4ec7aa& [01-Apr-25 10:43 PM] vanarazor#0000 here for this example of market manipulation, caskman is trying to control the price to be with in 1500~1600/u right? is that good thing or a bad thing? I feel like it is not great because prices can't go lower for newcomers, but on the other hand, old players can't buy newcomers cheap BTA? [01-Apr-25 10:45 PM] vanarazor#0000 MEA has the same thing happening, with EVov and allocater, they are in the way stabilizing prices around that 7K mark ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356836908793204766/image.png?ex=6814e897&is=68139717&hm=a291147f8c6ced092038b9837bf11a2a4202c3e3b9f884a8dea13b62a5075163& [01-Apr-25 10:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 that s not really market manip for BTA [01-Apr-25 10:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 its not enought BTA [01-Apr-25 10:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 generally newcomes want to sell into requests or asks since theyre not as cash stable [01-Apr-25 10:53 PM] vanarazor#0000 also BTA has an AIMM means there is always going to be BTA at 1600 ? [01-Apr-25 10:54 PM] zillatron#0000 yes, infinite supply at 1600 [01-Apr-25 10:55 PM] vanarazor#0000 so what caskman is doing penny war against the AIMM ? [01-Apr-25 10:55 PM] zillatron#0000 or just selling what theyve made ! [01-Apr-25 10:55 PM] zillatron#0000 and trying to keep the request price at a certian point [01-Apr-25 10:56 PM] zillatron#0000 you could buy at 1510 then relist at 1590, this is pretty common [01-Apr-25 10:56 PM] zillatron#0000 so you're providing a way for new peeps to sell direct into the request and get some cash and also making money [01-Apr-25 10:57 PM] zillatron#0000 like Hal said ^ [01-Apr-25 11:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah sometimes I will get a stockpile of like 200 BTA and Ill just dump a 100 or so onto the CX [01-Apr-25 11:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 if you look at YAPT I have like 3-4 mill of things im selling on the CX [01-Apr-25 11:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 they've been there for weeks [01-Apr-25 11:51 PM] evov#0000 My objective is supply. I don't really care what the price stabilizes at. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ (2) [02-Apr-25 02:34 AM] jcheung#0000 Fuck. Forgot to hit the button for repairs after delivering the mats... {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐ŸŒˆ [02-Apr-25 02:35 AM] jcheung#0000 And when i just remembered now, as i was about to click relair, it ticked over [02-Apr-25 02:35 AM] vanarazor#0000 bummer [02-Apr-25 02:35 AM] jcheung#0000 The timing [02-Apr-25 02:35 AM] vanarazor#0000 sorry about that [02-Apr-25 02:35 AM] jcheung#0000 5 seconds earlier and i woulda been good [02-Apr-25 02:36 AM] jcheung#0000 Shit sucks. Wasn't planning on visiting that base again for another 2 months [02-Apr-25 03:31 AM] vanarazor#0000 what is JUI for ? [02-Apr-25 03:31 AM] vanarazor#0000 it uses BL [02-Apr-25 03:31 AM] vanarazor#0000 no one is using BL ? [02-Apr-25 03:40 AM] pxlfox.#0000 No one uses JUI [02-Apr-25 03:40 AM] vanarazor#0000 VG producers only are producing BL ? [02-Apr-25 03:40 AM] vanarazor#0000 what's the deal with hyalos? I don;t understand why it hass metallurgy ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356911251321786449/image.png?ex=68148514&is=68133394&hm=857522197a75be3ab06dfe47d64e21d899f68625465e229a1f795ee27ef063f1& [02-Apr-25 03:41 AM] vanarazor#0000 it is not even the best SIO% in the system [02-Apr-25 03:41 AM] vanarazor#0000 I can't see any extraction cogc near by for C production [02-Apr-25 03:41 AM] pxlfox.#0000 You extract SIO on b and smelt on a I guess [02-Apr-25 03:42 AM] vanarazor#0000 nut nothin is built on b [02-Apr-25 03:42 AM] vanarazor#0000 oh wait? so you actually can still build a base on a planet where there are no infrastructure > [02-Apr-25 03:42 AM] vanarazor#0000 ? [02-Apr-25 03:43 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Sure [02-Apr-25 03:43 AM] potaterror#0000 There's always population infrastructure, but yeah, you can build a base on any planet. You've just gotta use the POPI to keep your people there. [02-Apr-25 03:43 AM] pxlfox.#0000 There is a resource extraction COGC on B, so my guess seems right [02-Apr-25 03:44 AM] vanarazor#0000 ohhh taiyi's map is out of date [02-Apr-25 03:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Deus_Phyter seems to be the only one there ๐Ÿ˜… [02-Apr-25 03:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 They probably also use FIO and if nobody loads the data it wonโ€™t update [02-Apr-25 03:45 AM] pxlfox.#0000 There are probably a lot of black spots in the data [02-Apr-25 03:46 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But that A B combo looks really good for SI - might consider going there, too ๐Ÿค” [02-Apr-25 03:46 AM] pxlfox.#0000 @spermatozoon_saloon howโ€™s the water on WU-070b? [02-Apr-25 03:49 AM] pxlfox.#0000 We need a list with good base/planet combinations [02-Apr-25 03:55 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 I only just set up shop there the other day. Still waiting for staff to roll in {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ‰ [02-Apr-25 03:56 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 I always double check PrunPlanner data in game. Huge black spot [02-Apr-25 03:56 AM] vanarazor#0000 YOU MUST BE PRODUCEING A LOT OF sio : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356915207972192268/image.png?ex=681488c3&is=68133743&hm=99d9318c30fe20dc8d94bfc741784a31ad8e089fd7cc6344f874ae1e85809bd4& [02-Apr-25 03:56 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Water's bloody frozen. Cold and lonely on this rock {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) ๐Ÿ˜ญ (2) [02-Apr-25 03:56 AM] vanarazor#0000 you need a warm brew ay {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘Œ [02-Apr-25 03:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Damn [02-Apr-25 03:57 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Will be when fully staffed. At 50% now [02-Apr-25 03:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I need that [02-Apr-25 03:57 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Then shipping it all back to Hyalos to be smelted [02-Apr-25 03:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 How long is the trip? [02-Apr-25 03:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Should be like a few hours? [02-Apr-25 03:58 AM] vanarazor#0000 what's your plan to smelt it all ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356915597635489853/image.png?ex=68148920&is=681337a0&hm=8d253aa3aed60cf22cb644d284f74d9257701a8d6204ec1f1edf7bcea2eedcdc& [02-Apr-25 03:59 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Maybe fully laden. It's basically a hop and a skip [02-Apr-25 03:59 AM] vanarazor#0000 you would someone else to settle down there and help you smelt oall of that [02-Apr-25 03:59 AM] vanarazor#0000 how many STo's do you run on each planets? [02-Apr-25 03:59 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 It smelts there or gets shipped for GL or CU prod [02-Apr-25 04:00 AM] vanarazor#0000 so crazy, you must have a humongus fleet of LCB [02-Apr-25 04:01 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 EXT, SME and FS bases all get 2 STO. WAR if available [02-Apr-25 04:01 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 50/50% LCB / WCB. So happy I'm at the stage of the game I don't need to keep taking out loans for ships {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ ๐Ÿ‰ [02-Apr-25 04:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Well, if you need an EXT/SME buddy over there, Iโ€™m all for it ๐Ÿค“ [02-Apr-25 04:03 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/nico-tortorella-josh-my-thing-likes-younger-gif-9021618 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/nico-tortorella-josh-my-thing-likes-younger-gif-9021618 It's kinda my thing. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/8Ie0eE1QggzaIk5HjT2wYcdTXwQUpXuzF7gfJRCDfHA/https/media.tenor.com/3I61-BrfYJkAAAAe/nico-tortorella-josh.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ† ๐Ÿ”ฅ [02-Apr-25 04:03 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 As emotional support, yes. [02-Apr-25 04:04 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 If you wanted to set up your own base I could probably dedicate a ship in system to move stuff around? [02-Apr-25 04:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Do you get all of the ore processed or are you selling/exporting some of it? [02-Apr-25 04:05 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 I pretty much need all of it. [02-Apr-25 04:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Wow [02-Apr-25 04:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Well, as soon as I add SI to my collection, Iโ€™m coming over ๐Ÿซก [02-Apr-25 04:07 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356917890288189450/image0.gif?ex=68148b43&is=681339c3&hm=a26d2b2cf240ad4f42b783f4bcfc0bb30f5940708aba4ca953a193b6ff36d8b1& {Reactions} โค๏ธ [02-Apr-25 04:10 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Speaking of freshly minted colonies. I'm setting up a FP COGC on Thalassa E {Reactions} โค๏ธ [02-Apr-25 04:11 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 In a few hours [02-Apr-25 04:11 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 ... If I didn't forget to bring some MATs [02-Apr-25 06:44 AM] tanda#0000 Not a fan of Sidepipe's new FP planet? [02-Apr-25 06:45 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356957701585764383/image.png?ex=6814b057&is=68135ed7&hm=75537e29d3556b56b14bfd5ad0830b6963579f867e29e14ebc7a5d2c7dd30d09& [02-Apr-25 06:48 AM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, Iโ€™m all lonely here. All these PIO just waiting for jobs! [02-Apr-25 06:48 AM] sidepipe#0000 And Thalassa E might be really far away from the other planets, check the system map first just in case {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘Ž [02-Apr-25 06:52 AM] tanda#0000 oh it is [02-Apr-25 06:53 AM] tanda#0000 it falls right back into that STL travel issue that it's faster to jump to the next system over [02-Apr-25 07:21 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1356966774091813014/image.png?ex=6814b8ca&is=6813674a&hm=cd399a72f41cda3c2667bc28f0821996ad3d2ea31f07e84db9fed3469350ee05& [02-Apr-25 07:22 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Looks good [02-Apr-25 07:23 AM] tanda#0000 one more day of producing to do, too [02-Apr-25 08:19 AM] jvaler#0000 plumber tanda [02-Apr-25 08:38 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Not so far at all. Not as close as yours true but I already have a dedicated STL ship in SE-110 that experiences some downtime [02-Apr-25 08:40 AM] sidepipe#0000 Hey, not saying you shouldnโ€™t do it, just making sure you have all the information. Thatโ€™s why I decided against colonizing another planet in Thalassa, but my STL ship is much smaller and doesnโ€™t really have much downtime [02-Apr-25 08:44 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Yeah I checked prior. Not ideal but I think that it has a use-case for STL only enjoyooors. Do we know what the unit of scale is on the system maps? Ive been assuming it's Astronomical Units but idk [02-Apr-25 08:45 AM] sidepipe#0000 Honestly, not sure ๐Ÿ˜„ [02-Apr-25 08:46 AM] tanda#0000 It's AU. (Might as well be, it makes no difference otherwise [02-Apr-25 08:46 AM] sidepipe#0000 Just looked big enough that I checked in BTF and it was too far for my poor GEN puddlejumper [02-Apr-25 08:48 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 How are GEN's? I only run FSE's because that's what Rise and Evov stock [02-Apr-25 08:49 AM] sidepipe#0000 Theyโ€™reโ€ฆ fine. I mostly just picked them up because theyโ€™re cheap, but I think theyโ€™re lower power and a bit less fuel efficient [02-Apr-25 08:49 AM] sidepipe#0000 We also have someone in OOG who makes all the parts for it, so it was easier to just buy from them than rustle together all the parts for an FSE ship [02-Apr-25 08:52 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Hmm kinda seems not worth, especially on an STL ship. I tried out a BGS on my 1k/1k ANT STL ship [02-Apr-25 08:53 AM] sidepipe#0000 Mineโ€™s 500/500 which is where they really shine (and by that I mean are adequate) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [02-Apr-25 08:53 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Hard to tell precisely but it *feels* fast [02-Apr-25 09:54 AM] pagy1234#0000 on some cofigurations, having BGS makes you slower [02-Apr-25 11:26 AM] .urpalhal#0000 lol look at this jank base im supplying {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357028544856850665/image.png?ex=6814f251&is=6813a0d1&hm=c83f6f31324e32190f225cb41b3882618dfeab58fab777277c2a8d8e6faa2703& {Reactions} โค๏ธ [02-Apr-25 11:27 AM] tanda#0000 That looks like certified jank [02-Apr-25 11:27 AM] .urpalhal#0000 can you tell what it is ๐Ÿ‘€ [02-Apr-25 11:29 AM] tanda#0000 But you already told me, lol [02-Apr-25 11:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 heh [02-Apr-25 11:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 maybe you forgot :RSZeroShrugIDK: [02-Apr-25 11:31 AM] moke.#0000 SSC, AEF and CHA? :thonk: {Reactions} danceboi [02-Apr-25 11:32 AM] moke.#0000 Maybe FLP too {Reactions} danceboi [02-Apr-25 11:33 AM] .urpalhal#0000 and TRU and BDE [02-Apr-25 11:33 AM] .urpalhal#0000 oh and i guess GV bc CHA needs GV [02-Apr-25 11:36 AM] .urpalhal#0000 but amazing analysis [02-Apr-25 11:36 AM] .urpalhal#0000 how does it feel that you've won? [02-Apr-25 11:36 AM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/no-comment-quiet-mute-mute-deer-pause-gif-3676484987657574386 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/no-comment-quiet-mute-mute-deer-pause-gif-3676484987657574386 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/znrt6A3xkTNbCzn6DaJYhwEv8XI5X1-3i5MKDxdNZ64/https/media.tenor.com/MwV_ng9i1_IAAAAe/no-comment-quiet.png [02-Apr-25 11:44 AM] jab.sh#0000 he ne fe pe {Reactions} RSBugCatYesNod (2) [02-Apr-25 11:47 AM] moke.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-24169087 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-24169087 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/UbpbsGjRgfXLWjEB3E6vKExvjI5P-T6S620mgk7gw6o/https/media.tenor.com/IYpzxhqXhfYAAAAe/reasonsimbroke-larry-david.png {Reactions} froggersBriish [02-Apr-25 11:49 AM] jab.sh#0000 those numbers are way too round, I refuse to believe you're producing anything ๐Ÿ˜ค {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [02-Apr-25 11:50 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Idk what the base actually needs [02-Apr-25 11:50 AM] .urpalhal#0000 So it got all the HE and NE I had plus round numbers of what ever I could buy [02-Apr-25 12:23 PM] vanarazor#0000 i want this base!! [02-Apr-25 12:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Do you? [02-Apr-25 12:25 PM] vanarazor#0000 yup I wanted to vertically integrate that base [02-Apr-25 12:25 PM] vanarazor#0000 and be repair free ich for my ship [02-Apr-25 12:25 PM] vanarazor#0000 i;ve got to run, talk later [02-Apr-25 12:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I just spun it up bc thereโ€™s a good roi on some of those things rn cause itโ€™s empty [02-Apr-25 12:33 PM] laaxus#0000 Ship repair is a rounding error tbh {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [02-Apr-25 12:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [02-Apr-25 12:37 PM] pagy1234#0000 Thanks to internal market, and me having some materials stocked up, griff POL base was only costed me 960k :D {Reactions} โค๏ธ [02-Apr-25 12:39 PM] pagy1234#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357046795665932318/image0.jpg?ex=68150350&is=6813b1d0&hm=541d2a61ab817a8d16696d03bc8f4f5ffa2501b5b8a5e694af89ed93dc2f842c& {Reactions} danceboi (3) [02-Apr-25 12:39 PM] pagy1234#0000 Should be maybe 13d ROI evem if I dont count experts :D {Reactions} ๐Ÿฅณ [02-Apr-25 01:21 PM] vanarazor#0000 I already want a second POL base, but I think next chem base is going to be DDT [02-Apr-25 01:22 PM] vanarazor#0000 Just need some cheap AL and I ll be producing BTA, which seems to be consistent sales [02-Apr-25 01:22 PM] vanarazor#0000 Dude this game is awesome ๐Ÿ™Œ๐Ÿฝ [02-Apr-25 05:08 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357114589434609835/image.png?ex=681499b4&is=68134834&hm=c2e0190e8600f89786f3cee6683b0cec613529a1b571b19fd463f195206427ba& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™€ (4) Horror (3) [02-Apr-25 05:09 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bTvX4.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/toddlers-and-tiaras-big-grin-excited-girl-giddy-smile-gif-25584914 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/fZcOuYsnnxrp7EfkI4yrUw897g-gbnw1Ofc_yVMm4pE/https/media.tenor.com/pUW_A10-46MAAAAe/toddlers-and-tiaras-big-grin.png [02-Apr-25 06:37 PM] smangy.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/thegoon-bigoldgoon-ted-lasso-yes-yes-yes-yes-gif-701975896996955852 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/thegoon-bigoldgoon-ted-lasso-yes-yes-yes-yes-gif-701975896996955852 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/b38BBF3wyHD7X7S_02u6HA_4KWzEgF09Y3pYTMJizYE/https/media.tenor.com/Cb3rW-1jxswAAAAe/thegoon-bigoldgoon.png [02-Apr-25 08:27 PM] vanarazor#0000 Whaaaaaat [02-Apr-25 08:27 PM] vanarazor#0000 :antares_initiative: [02-Apr-25 08:27 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nine-nine-terry-jeffords-why-b99-brooklyn99-gif-21715381 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nine-nine-terry-jeffords-why-b99-brooklyn99-gif-21715381 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/6dBTaOPZVYLiJeSWlPUPr_KyG33fuaxLtbZ7E8RA-GU/https/media.tenor.com/cM23ABcPfZcAAAAe/brooklyn-nine-nine-terry-jeffords.png [02-Apr-25 08:27 PM] tanda#0000 the sight of this makes me ill with lost productivity [02-Apr-25 08:27 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/yes-sweet-hell-yes-pump-it-gif-2609956353695275627 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/yes-sweet-hell-yes-pump-it-gif-2609956353695275627 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1gJPwFAsrJoG0YasU-yxc1QDp4nxv0r9ST0ZNEjei10/https/media.tenor.com/JDhteb1H2msAAAAe/yes-sweet.png [02-Apr-25 08:53 PM] tanda#0000 @Market Alerts {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357171238618927277/image.png?ex=6814ce76&is=68137cf6&hm=7cd16cb38f9c174208ca81bb410f2b1181f9cfdd88d319dcdb8758a3b8fe65e7& [02-Apr-25 08:54 PM] .shiva.#0000 note that's still cheapest in universe for LDE [02-Apr-25 08:54 PM] tanda#0000 we've got a problem here [02-Apr-25 08:55 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, but it's about the amount of both items, not necessarily price. Give me a higher price but more amount [02-Apr-25 08:55 PM] .shiva.#0000 I have a good bit more to list [02-Apr-25 08:56 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357171760776216596/image.png?ex=6814cef2&is=68137d72&hm=bb9cc74b4bef9e00e8c8fc3ec0e46db857d96537aca75e1ff25965b45d5155af& [02-Apr-25 08:56 PM] tanda#0000 who grabbed it this time, lowstrife again? [02-Apr-25 08:57 PM] .shiva.#0000 I accidentially deleted my orders ๐Ÿ˜ [02-Apr-25 08:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [02-Apr-25 08:57 PM] tanda#0000 whoops. I used to do that religiously, but now I don't. History is valuable in its own right [02-Apr-25 08:58 PM] .shiva.#0000 I see a filled order, I click the delete button :/ [02-Apr-25 08:58 PM] .shiva.#0000 probably should just change my filters to not show them {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [02-Apr-25 09:01 PM] .shiva.#0000 but yeah, you'd screenshotted while I was listing stuff, have the rest up now, with a bit more if I really need to [02-Apr-25 09:03 PM] tanda#0000 alright, cool. We have some buffer, then [02-Apr-25 09:36 PM] tanda#0000 Anybody got any residual SSC? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357181905648222380/image.png?ex=6814d865&is=681386e5&hm=b7770fbecb5e77f499d1f94bba3423575b8368011fbf8e363c3e4d86dd51e457& [02-Apr-25 09:41 PM] archielvahr#0000 I posted a little. It seems like someone is playing games with SSC. [02-Apr-25 09:42 PM] tanda#0000 weirdest thing too. It's REALLY easy to produce, but a pain to ship [02-Apr-25 09:43 PM] tanda#0000 unless EVoV just decided they were tired of producing SSC now [02-Apr-25 10:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well a little birdie told me Friendly Metals is making SSC [02-Apr-25 10:36 PM] tanda#0000 That's good, nobody's swapping to it, and I don't want to [02-Apr-25 10:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357197869085491238/image.png?ex=6814e743&is=681395c3&hm=72cbaa15961721e5d7a66b11cb4696058d02085af60a2c7317e4078cd38afacd& [02-Apr-25 10:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 just need some pops to come in and that number will go brr [02-Apr-25 10:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 just 13 hours [02-Apr-25 10:40 PM] manhim#0000 https://tenor.com/view/stonks-meme-gif-16107418 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/stonks-meme-gif-16107418 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/OSWsr9_74aHn6B2LH_rMGO5akdMvpHiziQC9A4Bpwqg/https/media.tenor.com/Y8Po-y0pXQ8AAAAe/stonks-meme.png [02-Apr-25 10:40 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, there's enough PIO there to fill your base [03-Apr-25 01:45 AM] evov#0000 I only ever produce it if/when the price spikes. SSC has historically been one of those things that people sell on the CX at a price that's lower than what I'd be prepared to make it for. So I'd be surprised if I showed up as a major producer of it on the leader boards. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [03-Apr-25 03:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I more and more realise, that AU and CU are mainly used for ship partsโ€ฆ Soooโ€ฆ @evany. @evov @archielvahr If any of you have a spot in your supply chain for early AU/CU products you would love to give away a permit or two, Iโ€™m here for it ๐Ÿ™ˆ [03-Apr-25 03:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Speaking about BCO, RGO, BRO and everything they are used for {Reactions} โค๏ธ [03-Apr-25 03:45 AM] vanarazor#0000 kind of crazy how quickly MEA stabilized : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357274773117341717/image.png?ex=68148622&is=681334a2&hm=f62c84e7a74975ca973d6dd40af7451c7b2f108d8dae501b6bce033cd83b02c9& [03-Apr-25 04:40 AM] evov#0000 High prices invites competition. Competition pushes prices lower. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† ๐Ÿ’ฏ [03-Apr-25 04:47 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The economy in this game is simple enough, that the old rule of supply and demand can regulate prices mostly by their own. [03-Apr-25 05:02 AM] laaxus#0000 small corrections : high ***profits*** [03-Apr-25 05:03 AM] laaxus#0000 this game gives enough information and has low enough barrier of entry that the market can be simplified as a perfectly competitive one [03-Apr-25 05:07 AM] vanarazor#0000 competition ,oh gosh .. [03-Apr-25 05:08 AM] vanarazor#0000 ๐Ÿ™‚ [03-Apr-25 05:08 AM] vanarazor#0000 some one buys my stock please so I can buy my 20 days of DDT for my future HER base {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357295674168709201/image.png?ex=6814999a&is=6813481a&hm=db1244f4d31668fdca647e579a4374ef864d1879abb4db6279789e4d2f5c7d79& [03-Apr-25 05:08 AM] vanarazor#0000 cash flow is thin but I ll pay my ~~loan~~ **loans** in time ๐Ÿ™‚ [03-Apr-25 05:09 AM] evov#0000 Depends how you define profits. You might be looking at how pricing affects supply demand purely through the lens of production / cost of production. For me.... "high" prices aren't as much in relation to the cost of production ( it does play a part, but a relatively small part in a lot of cases )... but relative to what I expect the future price to be, and what I might have bought my existing stock at. For context - my CX activity for MEA over the last 6 or 7 months -> {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357295903819432007/image.png?ex=681499d0&is=68134850&hm=499b648ab5a994b68c47961554efbe4e427a467cca5de1f77b19d84218fd06e9& {Reactions} โค๏ธ [03-Apr-25 05:11 AM] laaxus#0000 - Hugely profitable - Easily made - Stable market Choose two [03-Apr-25 05:11 AM] laaxus#0000 you can't sell NL at 6900 and hope it sell as fast as if you sold it at bid [03-Apr-25 05:12 AM] evov#0000 Over the last 6 months roughly - I produced 5k mea. But I bought 20k. So for this item at least... production costs are not super high on the list of factors that are important to me. [03-Apr-25 05:12 AM] vanarazor#0000 my production matches the current daily sales and that being the lowest at ask it should go fine, it usually goafter a couple of days [03-Apr-25 05:13 AM] vanarazor#0000 it does makes sense, scientists are fine breed with a fine taste. for meMEA is a potential 200-400k profit unless I sell at bid and I make no great margin if you take in cosideration the investment for the IVPs [03-Apr-25 05:13 AM] laaxus#0000 if you have cashflow issues, sells at bid [03-Apr-25 05:15 AM] vanarazor#0000 no issues!!! i went through my PSK#2, paid for my kit and still awaitiing for my loan x) [03-Apr-25 05:15 AM] vanarazor#0000 I think Jvaler is probably busy : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357297442881540206/image.png?ex=68149b3f&is=681349bf&hm=79fb82d8f6c351b51392fb47942ce60572c94ad6a463c8b4454577c0e13bba36& [03-Apr-25 05:15 AM] vanarazor#0000 but I'm doing just fine thank you โค๏ธ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [03-Apr-25 05:15 AM] vanarazor#0000 I might actually not need the loan [03-Apr-25 05:16 AM] laaxus#0000 be careful with cashflow, it's easily the pitfall most players falls into [03-Apr-25 05:16 AM] vanarazor#0000 if anytthing, I ll sell everything at bid {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [03-Apr-25 05:17 AM] vanarazor#0000 still have some stuff in the warehouse that I could liquidate as well : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357297868913774632/image.png?ex=68149ba5&is=68134a25&hm=70288626fa94a67bd7dbbab4a3c23127d487f2a94359c88a73018eb20317393b& [03-Apr-25 05:19 AM] evov#0000 imo sell your H2O into the bid. Unlikely h2o price is going to raise too much in the near future due to the volume that's put up. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357298534826774559/image.png?ex=68149c44&is=68134ac4&hm=8efdd735bd701384a767301217859d15664ee0a8eddcf3dd662e51ccb246cba9& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [03-Apr-25 05:21 AM] vanarazor#0000 no way this stock will last me for ever, im still at the point where I produce DW and COF [03-Apr-25 05:21 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah, but you're losing on the interest this capital could gives you [03-Apr-25 05:21 AM] evov#0000 Same with NA - dump that into bids if you need the cash [03-Apr-25 05:21 AM] vanarazor#0000 NA is worth nothing isn;t ? [03-Apr-25 05:21 AM] laaxus#0000 na is worth nothing [03-Apr-25 05:22 AM] laaxus#0000 litteral garbage [03-Apr-25 05:22 AM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357299156770885662/image.png?ex=68149cd8&is=68134b58&hm=64493b7395347682d012658cfaf303934cdee3a7a0b84fdfcec23dfb0ba13698& [03-Apr-25 05:22 AM] vanarazor#0000 so sad they have not implmented a better product than GL for NA [03-Apr-25 05:23 AM] evov#0000 It's nearly 40k in cash sitting there doing nothing. Add that to some other bits of cash... and you'll have enough to do something productive with it. [03-Apr-25 05:23 AM] laaxus#0000 imagine you had 1M worth of water in your stock This stock will indeed last you forever but you'll be losing 100k/d of profit this capital could have given you [03-Apr-25 05:23 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357299517569105991/image.png?ex=68149d2e&is=68134bae&hm=ba8eeeb6b1e2992d5b0177936e7de2b91992e3795f0aeeef5475f8480d0d8d6f& [03-Apr-25 05:23 AM] vanarazor#0000 I used to produce way more DW [03-Apr-25 05:24 AM] vanarazor#0000 production reduced due to MEA production starting [03-Apr-25 05:24 AM] vanarazor#0000 hence why stock last [03-Apr-25 05:24 AM] laaxus#0000 Again, bid and ask prices are so close to each other you can just sell it to bid, and buy to ask later on when needed {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [03-Apr-25 05:24 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™ll buy 120 PWO and 12 PT from you ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [03-Apr-25 05:25 AM] pxlfox.#0000 You arenโ€™t the highest ask for PWO anymore [03-Apr-25 05:25 AM] vanarazor#0000 how come this guy is selling 1KK H at 40 [03-Apr-25 05:25 AM] vanarazor#0000 whaaat [03-Apr-25 05:25 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Either you send me a cont with the price you put it in or adjust the ask and Iโ€™ll buy it [03-Apr-25 05:26 AM] laaxus#0000 he sells at low price because he wants to be the H20 baron [03-Apr-25 05:26 AM] laaxus#0000 take a look at lead h2O [03-Apr-25 05:30 AM] vanarazor#0000 I appreciate but that's okay, you can buy at the cx [03-Apr-25 05:38 AM] vanarazor#0000 let me penny wars theses competitors : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357303149400031242/image.png?ex=6814a090&is=68134f10&hm=74498a886ec9a7afd588ef0a3f4a17a4450c5ed3bc79906d48005995dd73704f& [03-Apr-25 05:38 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357303207189020754/image.png?ex=6814a09e&is=68134f1e&hm=92c0e9d030fe382e1db694a43852cf33a5a822802ac89d5f577af47f98725d0d& [03-Apr-25 05:39 AM] vanarazor#0000 this is crazy [03-Apr-25 05:39 AM] vanarazor#0000 you can call them the H2O lord {Reactions} โœŒ๏ธ [03-Apr-25 05:53 AM] vanarazor#0000 my NL is gone yaaas {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (2) ๐Ÿ˜˜ [03-Apr-25 05:53 AM] vanarazor#0000 haha [03-Apr-25 05:53 AM] vanarazor#0000 โค๏ธ [03-Apr-25 05:56 AM] laaxus#0000 well congrats ๐Ÿ˜„ [03-Apr-25 05:56 AM] laaxus#0000 nl at 7k is quite insane, wonder how long it will last [03-Apr-25 05:57 AM] vanarazor#0000 wonder why it is that high, who's buying the high electronics ? [03-Apr-25 05:57 AM] vanarazor#0000 ohhh nooo [03-Apr-25 05:57 AM] vanarazor#0000 that ;s for the LDE [03-Apr-25 05:57 AM] vanarazor#0000 LDE is crashing isn';t ? [03-Apr-25 05:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Weโ€™re trying to reduce lfabs prices for weeks now [03-Apr-25 05:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But demand is quite high [03-Apr-25 05:58 AM] vanarazor#0000 jesus : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357308214512849006/image.png?ex=6814a547&is=681353c7&hm=cd9b43a12f8f694d62c4e02c093161e6a4535c1b11095ddb80f9fd104a58d30a& [03-Apr-25 05:58 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357308285799366777/image.png?ex=6814a558&is=681353d8&hm=86fb25ae75cea696cac7e53779f731169a8171ddcf8462dbb053d50d8f8bc873& [03-Apr-25 05:58 AM] vanarazor#0000 call the police [03-Apr-25 05:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And higher lfabs production increases demand for Nl [03-Apr-25 05:58 AM] vanarazor#0000 may be people have started PP2 for LDE [03-Apr-25 05:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Which isnโ€™t a bad thing - NL had a really low profit for quite some time [03-Apr-25 05:59 AM] vanarazor#0000 mean RCO is going up too [03-Apr-25 05:59 AM] vanarazor#0000 means HER is going up too [03-Apr-25 06:00 AM] vanarazor#0000 funny how one thing can affect another down the line [03-Apr-25 06:01 AM] vanarazor#0000 oh no Im wrong NL is only PG needed [03-Apr-25 06:01 AM] vanarazor#0000 im getting confused [03-Apr-25 06:01 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Higher prices often mean either less production or higher demand. We lost two big players lately, but I think we have a good income of people lately, too. Also, the AGP and other programs boost player quicker into the economy. [03-Apr-25 06:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 needs quite a chunk of PG tho [03-Apr-25 06:01 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Over all, higher prices speak for open opportunities [03-Apr-25 06:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah actually it might be because of PG, increased a little while ago, and around the same time it rose there was a spike in NL price aswell, only reason NL recovered was because NL volume was very down for a week or two [03-Apr-25 07:40 AM] magican1980#0000 on all products without market makers, the price moves on demand/supply - On the other side you have the seller - has he the time to wait or change prices regularly to sell their items - for example Rations - @Benten If you sell at 165 (your fist item is sold after 60k units are sold) @Antares your are the first to take the buy (no open sell-order at 165) [03-Apr-25 07:41 AM] magican1980#0000 in the market are not only producers, who sell their item, but also Traders, who are set buy-orders and sell at the same station at higher prices ... its feels like stocktrading and you must have the cashreserves to do this [03-Apr-25 07:45 AM] magican1980#0000 on other example is - I produce about 971 carbon daily, about 6.800 units per week -> if I would double the production, the prices would drop down, because their is to much influx to the market. Also at my CX's there a lot of active traders ๐Ÿ™‚ [03-Apr-25 10:41 AM] jcheung#0000 You think 1k c/d would be enough to drop the c price a lot? [03-Apr-25 10:42 AM] jcheung#0000 The daily volume is around 5k per day on ant [03-Apr-25 10:44 AM] jcheung#0000 Which means that any price lowering from the introduction of 1k c/d would be slow at best, assuming it doesn't just get snapped up [03-Apr-25 10:50 AM] laaxus#0000 why would anybody want C prices to drop more [03-Apr-25 10:50 AM] laaxus#0000 they're so cheap {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [03-Apr-25 11:00 AM] getonthetrain#0000 any sustained lowering of price would likely see some close up shop making it a good chance that there is a supply crisis in the future [03-Apr-25 11:04 AM] laaxus#0000 if you don't know what to do [03-Apr-25 11:04 AM] laaxus#0000 help me lower CL price [03-Apr-25 11:05 AM] laaxus#0000 this is hugely profitable [03-Apr-25 11:05 AM] laaxus#0000 and will help litteraly everybody [03-Apr-25 11:05 AM] jab.sh#0000 all my CL is called for ๐Ÿฅฒ [03-Apr-25 11:06 AM] laaxus#0000 idk [03-Apr-25 11:06 AM] laaxus#0000 it seems like people look at the cheapest good possible [03-Apr-25 11:06 AM] laaxus#0000 and says "I want it cheaper" [03-Apr-25 11:06 AM] laaxus#0000 while ignoring other goods [03-Apr-25 11:07 AM] pagy1234#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [03-Apr-25 11:26 AM] getonthetrain#0000 I'm pretty sure that in all CX's besides ANT you could sell the ingredients for HSS at bid and earn more than current HSS ask price [03-Apr-25 12:53 PM] marat_sh#0000 Still prefer using CL in the house since itโ€™s used in the same cogc category [03-Apr-25 03:10 PM] vanarazor#0000 not as much as PSL [04-Apr-25 01:09 AM] magican1980#0000 I come from a time, where Carbon was at 600-625 credits ๐Ÿ™‚ the spike in the last 2-3 months was 750+ credits and now I must scale down my production about 1/3 [04-Apr-25 01:10 AM] magican1980#0000 the first CL start tommorow with production ๐Ÿ™‚ and a DDT Base follows {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ (2) [04-Apr-25 01:10 AM] laaxus#0000 :danceboi: [04-Apr-25 01:12 AM] laaxus#0000 I recommend 2 CL base and one ext base on Halcyon [04-Apr-25 01:13 AM] laaxus#0000 You Can sell the extra hal to LM, I Always have bid open there [04-Apr-25 01:15 AM] magican1980#0000 yes i know, but I now only have 2 open permits, 1 for DDT and the second I'm thinking of PG/EPO-Base [04-Apr-25 01:25 AM] magican1980#0000 after the next 2 bases are put down, I will downscale Carbon, which comes with 2 open permits and 20 free HYF - can make more RAT or go into COF-Production, which has high prices in the last 2 weeks - also check my ships and the needed logistic times ๐Ÿ™‚ [04-Apr-25 03:20 AM] vanarazor#0000 im so jealous of people able to afford LAB - DDT [04-Apr-25 03:26 AM] vanarazor#0000 but my production is part of a project, I get around 800 C /w. which is more than what a solo Cproduction would give me in terms of profit. I m kind of amazed {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357632392700887110/image.png?ex=681481b2&is=68133032&hm=284d8e8dea8072799172c829f92d11017568c85f8c0b8f94ec33bf0608fe7cb2& [04-Apr-25 03:30 AM] vanarazor#0000 I was literally thinking of dropping another CL and EPO bases before my DDT .. [04-Apr-25 03:31 AM] vanarazor#0000 way cheaper is constant profits [04-Apr-25 03:31 AM] vanarazor#0000 @laaxus where does all your EPO go 25K a day ? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ [04-Apr-25 03:31 AM] laaxus#0000 RFabs [04-Apr-25 03:31 AM] laaxus#0000 (don't produce RFabs, there's an overproduction currently) [04-Apr-25 03:32 AM] vanarazor#0000 mean what ? 7 EPO base for 4 Rfabs ? [04-Apr-25 03:32 AM] laaxus#0000 I have 2 EPO base [04-Apr-25 03:32 AM] laaxus#0000 which is more than I need for my RBH production, less than I need for RSE [04-Apr-25 03:33 AM] laaxus#0000 so I buy from the market for the difference [04-Apr-25 03:33 AM] vanarazor#0000 I see [04-Apr-25 03:34 AM] vanarazor#0000 and you don't produce PG for your plastics ? [04-Apr-25 03:37 AM] laaxus#0000 no, why would I [04-Apr-25 03:38 AM] laaxus#0000 I mean I could [04-Apr-25 03:38 AM] laaxus#0000 same profitability [04-Apr-25 03:39 AM] laaxus#0000 would help lowering CL price [04-Apr-25 04:22 AM] vanarazor#0000 no don't do that actually [04-Apr-25 04:22 AM] vanarazor#0000 ๐Ÿ™‚ [04-Apr-25 04:22 AM] vanarazor#0000 it's too early for that [04-Apr-25 04:24 AM] vanarazor#0000 hey when the reset happens, do the planet keeps the same % of mats? or do they get randomize? [04-Apr-25 04:43 AM] pxlfox.#0000 You mean the universe reset? [04-Apr-25 04:45 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The universe will only be reseted if a new feature requires it (like probably the planned electricity system). Iโ€™m not sure if anybody can tell you for sure how the devs will handle it then [04-Apr-25 05:11 AM] realharvey#0000 reset is not going to happen anytime soon [04-Apr-25 05:11 AM] laaxus#0000 it took one year for gateways [04-Apr-25 05:11 AM] laaxus#0000 and still not done [04-Apr-25 05:12 AM] laaxus#0000 I honestly think this game will die before the next universe reset [04-Apr-25 05:13 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I hope this game will never die [04-Apr-25 05:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 molpโ€™s children inherit the project and continue this project - and then their children [04-Apr-25 05:15 AM] laaxus#0000 same, but the world is very strange currently [04-Apr-25 06:06 AM] realharvey#0000 guess the worl will go down before this game haha {Reactions} dread [04-Apr-25 07:12 AM] razenpok#0000 \> five years into the future \> AI conquers the world \> opens prun \> sees WAI \> Weak? lol \> proceeds to delete prun from all digital devices on the Earth [04-Apr-25 07:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Just read the MAT description ๐Ÿ˜‚ [04-Apr-25 10:00 AM] pxlfox.#0000 @pagy1234 POPR on Electronica is about to come in [04-Apr-25 10:00 AM] pxlfox.#0000 finally some workers [04-Apr-25 10:00 AM] pagy1234#0000 nice :D [04-Apr-25 10:12 AM] laaxus#0000 my new recruitment strategy is now more ... aggressive [04-Apr-25 10:13 AM] laaxus#0000 I put large bids, and I look at each company selling into it [04-Apr-25 10:13 AM] laaxus#0000 if the company is small, young and is not part of the ADI yet, I send a dm ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [04-Apr-25 10:13 AM] laaxus#0000 No success so far tho ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [04-Apr-25 10:13 AM] pxlfox.#0000 did that sometimes to, if I noticed new ones [04-Apr-25 10:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I think there are also quite a lot of people, which are either uncomfortable to speak to strangers, even if its via text, or just not that fluent (or not at all) in english [04-Apr-25 10:23 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357737304587767808/image.png?ex=6814e366&is=681391e6&hm=2a1a0e8daffea5b262661a65327cb417d30a55a31a9cb9b0c322de5845820978& [04-Apr-25 10:23 AM] laaxus#0000 ๐Ÿ’€ [04-Apr-25 10:24 AM] laaxus#0000 40M worth of fabs sitting at ASK {Reactions} dread [04-Apr-25 11:00 AM] pagy1234#0000 it barely did anything ๐Ÿ˜ญ [04-Apr-25 11:00 AM] pagy1234#0000 90% of the new SETs went straight to TECs [04-Apr-25 11:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 seems like we also wernt the only people to set up new bases, the 1000+ unemployed SETs got absorbed somewhere [04-Apr-25 11:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Seems like it [04-Apr-25 11:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 2000 open SET jobs [04-Apr-25 11:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 People rushing chem bases [04-Apr-25 11:14 AM] manhim#0000 ๐Ÿ˜… [04-Apr-25 11:14 AM] laaxus#0000 you guys know there's like SIX (6) potential chem planets right ? [04-Apr-25 11:16 AM] pxlfox.#0000 yeah, but Electronica is close and tripple green ๐Ÿ˜… so basically first pick {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [04-Apr-25 11:19 AM] pagy1234#0000 Griffonstone is also triple green, but im making a base there aswell so ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [04-Apr-25 11:20 AM] pagy1234#0000 Pretty sure all the rest of the chem planets need INS, HSE or both [04-Apr-25 11:23 AM] realharvey#0000 This is what happens when everyone recommends new chem bases [04-Apr-25 11:26 AM] laaxus#0000 (they have been great for 6 months) [04-Apr-25 11:38 AM] pagy1234#0000 howcome all 4 of these screens tell me completely different numbers? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357756218382352555/Screenshot_2025-04-05_at_12.38.02_AM.png?ex=6814f504&is=6813a384&hm=599844200932a3279ae71028dedc047e471c56150d8c1d27abd529fd49c22e08& [04-Apr-25 11:39 AM] pagy1234#0000 like I have no idea if my daily revenue is 2.9 mil, 1.4 mil or 800k [04-Apr-25 11:40 AM] .urpalhal#0000 The ones on the right are probably more accurate [04-Apr-25 11:40 AM] pagy1234#0000 what are ones on the left telling me then? [04-Apr-25 11:50 AM] laaxus#0000 Erronous values [04-Apr-25 11:52 AM] realharvey#0000 4 Bases dropped in one week on electronica {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357759818139439286/image.png?ex=6814f85e&is=6813a6de&hm=21a1ef30b5a39e00e86547e51311be0dfc88255b6fbb74a2d6693302d84447fc& [04-Apr-25 11:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Ah, I disabled them in my chat ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜‚ [04-Apr-25 12:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Heh same [04-Apr-25 12:03 PM] pxlfox.#0000 The internal accounting system of the game isโ€ฆ a bit weird [04-Apr-25 12:04 PM] pxlfox.#0000 rPRUN calculates your actual equity by the current market price [04-Apr-25 12:04 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Ans the game is tracking how much you payed for stuff. But producing yourself is โ€œfreeโ€ [04-Apr-25 12:04 PM] realharvey#0000 In short: Base FIN functions are shit [04-Apr-25 12:04 PM] realharvey#0000 this is why xit fin exists [04-Apr-25 12:09 PM] pagy1234#0000 wait how do you see the joined thing? [04-Apr-25 12:09 PM] pagy1234#0000 ahh [04-Apr-25 12:10 PM] pagy1234#0000 nvm [04-Apr-25 12:10 PM] pagy1234#0000 i have it hidden for some reason [04-Apr-25 12:58 PM] pagy1234#0000 "you will win so much you might even get tired of winning" - orange man {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357776455521796267/Screenshot_2025-04-05_at_1.58.46_AM.png?ex=681507dd&is=6813b65d&hm=a3ab3a1a2866a37132668a5958078e17f2f4f5126e7c8b4f77481fbe3208b5d5& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ“ˆ (2) [04-Apr-25 01:32 PM] marat_sh#0000 You can check my bases ๐Ÿ˜… I only settle on chem planets and minerals that are relevant to chem [04-Apr-25 01:33 PM] marat_sh#0000 There are 3 more left for me and I will start looking into colonization [04-Apr-25 02:00 PM] pagy1234#0000 Ok, lowkey this shit is pissing me off, can anyone go and see what the hell this guy is saying? I genuinely dont know what point hes trying to make. On every sentence he agrees with my point but implies im wrong. https://discord.com/channels/350171287785701388/562636398671298574/1357791212714594304 [04-Apr-25 02:01 PM] pagy1234#0000 Whatever, im going to sleep [04-Apr-25 02:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i don't think that guy knows what he is saying [04-Apr-25 02:04 PM] igfloz#0000 https://tenor.com/view/word-salad-gif-19184266 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/word-salad-gif-19184266 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/COojdST9WOYXqZaJYTqYmsJt50qUIJtiQos1K4dDGyE/https/media.tenor.com/2cEA_Bg9EfYAAAAe/word-salad.png [04-Apr-25 02:14 PM] pxlfox.#0000 you both value ships diffrently [04-Apr-25 02:14 PM] pxlfox.#0000 In there model, ships don't generate value and are just something you get if its needed [04-Apr-25 02:23 PM] sidepipe#0000 That's pretty much every convo with them in my experience ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [04-Apr-25 02:25 PM] igfloz#0000 I've come across very few people like this (thankfully) - but they are out there [04-Apr-25 02:25 PM] evany.#0000 damn laaxus you fast. [04-Apr-25 02:25 PM] evany.#0000 even people i linked the post to haven't seen it yet [04-Apr-25 02:27 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm told that quite often [04-Apr-25 02:28 PM] evany.#0000 well i meant it as a compliment [04-Apr-25 02:28 PM] evany.#0000 when your wife says it.. thats different. [04-Apr-25 02:28 PM] laaxus#0000 that's what my wife would say, if I had one [04-Apr-25 02:28 PM] igfloz#0000 That's what she said (poor guy) - just kidding dude ๐Ÿ˜„ [04-Apr-25 02:29 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357799160132141177/This-Is-Where-Id-Put-My-Trophy-If-I-Had-One.png?ex=68147442&is=681322c2&hm=1576572005681b57e1fe243f8cfe6208c954f55ee661352807b396e74896dd1b& [04-Apr-25 02:29 PM] evany.#0000 regarding our bs folks PSK is officially posted on ufo https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1357797414052040735/1357797414052040735 feel free to give it a read and roast me for missing some important detail [04-Apr-25 02:30 PM] igfloz#0000 got it, I'll go get the firewood [04-Apr-25 02:30 PM] evany.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-25423496 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-25423496 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/3JzW2BbqMbcfGZHccVwkBqzfeMKMRhkJZdUbce--1Gs/https/media.tenor.com/scX-kVPwUn8AAAAe/this-is-fine.png [04-Apr-25 02:30 PM] igfloz#0000 https://tenor.com/view/liar-liarliar-roast-roastme-iloveagoodroast-gif-18524913 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/liar-liarliar-roast-roastme-iloveagoodroast-gif-18524913 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/zQvX92fWiE4G1ucFp9y7EjY6SPsmyxvtgGwQhE07CBI/https/media.tenor.com/JhYSSwG-vBwAAAAe/liar-liarliar.png [04-Apr-25 03:13 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I actually do get what they're saying... [04-Apr-25 03:13 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm just not sure if I agree with them [04-Apr-25 03:15 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I had a similar view on ships when I started - they don't generate value, so they are something you can't really include in your calculations. You just need to save up, until you have enough money to buy them... [04-Apr-25 03:16 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Then I had a few discussions about ships with EvoV, and whenever I talk about that topic I hear his ~~voice~~ texts: "ships aren't free" [04-Apr-25 03:16 PM] laaxus#0000 shipingp is part of the base [04-Apr-25 03:17 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I see how this makes sense [04-Apr-25 03:17 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I think the difficult part is, that not every base takes the same amount of ship [04-Apr-25 03:17 PM] pxlfox.#0000 some only need like 10% of the ship, others need 2 ships [04-Apr-25 03:18 PM] tanda#0000 They don't generate value, they are part of the base, something necessary for it to run. I figure ship cost by fraction of ship committed [04-Apr-25 03:18 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, I can understand that viewpoint. I just don't agree that 5.8M of my equity goes up in smoke when I buy a new ship ๐Ÿ˜„ [04-Apr-25 03:18 PM] laaxus#0000 ships are VERY cheap for what they provide [04-Apr-25 03:19 PM] laaxus#0000 I honestly think ship repair cost should be multiplied by 10 at least [04-Apr-25 03:19 PM] pxlfox.#0000 why? [04-Apr-25 03:19 PM] laaxus#0000 because ship repair is basically free right now [04-Apr-25 03:19 PM] pxlfox.#0000 and? [04-Apr-25 03:20 PM] laaxus#0000 It makes shipping extremmely cheap [04-Apr-25 03:20 PM] pxlfox.#0000 which isn't a bad thing, is it? [04-Apr-25 03:20 PM] laaxus#0000 it's not bad per se [04-Apr-25 03:20 PM] laaxus#0000 just make the game less deep imo [04-Apr-25 03:21 PM] pxlfox.#0000 more expensive shipping wouldn't change anything about the game - it would make things more expensive [04-Apr-25 03:21 PM] laaxus#0000 it's so cheap that the gateways will never be worth it, most probably [04-Apr-25 03:21 PM] pxlfox.#0000 That I can kinda agree on, tho I don't know the math [04-Apr-25 03:22 PM] igfloz#0000 I have noticed you use the word "free" quite a lot recently.... I do not think it means what you think it means. C is basically free, shipping is basically free etc. - - - this is not true, it has a cost [04-Apr-25 03:23 PM] pxlfox.#0000 what makes the game "less deep" is the fact, that most of the production chains end in ship parts. There is no other real production goals. This whole universe is basically a big VW factory {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [04-Apr-25 03:24 PM] laaxus#0000 I use the word free with 2 different meaning there Free for the ship repair : free as absolute term. it's honestly a rounding error. Free for AL & C production : free as relative/accounting term. You're not earning much value producing them [04-Apr-25 03:24 PM] sidepipe#0000 this is how you know it was made by germans {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [04-Apr-25 03:27 PM] laaxus#0000 in economic terms., profit is not done on an absolute manners, but in a relative manners. AL is free, because producing it does not create value at current market price [04-Apr-25 03:27 PM] igfloz#0000 AIC365K is not free in any way when you buy C for production chains (well....... if you're only sitting on 1 mil AIC of cash) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357813802107801600/image.png?ex=681481e5&is=68133065&hm=d15b52c78ebc89344a1c2db948b4992dd98f58fdda243c6c507a58abca67da66& [04-Apr-25 03:27 PM] igfloz#0000 oh god, thats tiny - sorry folks [04-Apr-25 03:28 PM] pxlfox.#0000 we can get really philosophical here ๐Ÿ˜‚ [04-Apr-25 03:28 PM] pxlfox.#0000 value isn't created, just exchanged [04-Apr-25 03:28 PM] pxlfox.#0000 and obviously is half a million AIC not "free" [04-Apr-25 03:29 PM] laaxus#0000 IDC disagree [04-Apr-25 03:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 value is created by the labor of the PIO / SET / etc who we all exploit for profit [04-Apr-25 03:29 PM] igfloz#0000 ...and I think thats where I lose it with this experience. I'm not a financial analyst, I 'm just looking for the "does it make money" kinda thing [04-Apr-25 03:29 PM] laaxus#0000 tho yes we could be pedantic and says that IDC create liquidity [04-Apr-25 03:29 PM] laaxus#0000 and the real value is the friends we made along the way in the ADI {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ โค๏ธ [04-Apr-25 03:29 PM] laaxus#0000 but still [04-Apr-25 03:31 PM] pxlfox.#0000 aren't they just transform one form of material into an other by consuming stuff and then people agree on buying it for more then the one producing it had payed for? [04-Apr-25 03:33 PM] pxlfox.#0000 idk - not important - it's way to late here to think about that. [04-Apr-25 03:34 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I agree. Love you guys. Good night. [04-Apr-25 03:35 PM] jvaler#0000 :true::true: [04-Apr-25 03:35 PM] pxlfox.#0000 But honestly, some more endpoints would be great. More "universe building" with infrastructure. Actual terra-forming via materials. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) ๐Ÿ‰ [04-Apr-25 03:36 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Energy generators consuming fuel [04-Apr-25 03:36 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Tractors we can give our poor pioneers, so they don't need to use there hands anymore [04-Apr-25 03:38 PM] jvaler#0000 ya and that is value created through labor, abstracted in prun to just = time spent [04-Apr-25 03:38 PM] laaxus#0000 Livable planets should be able to invest in their population [04-Apr-25 03:39 PM] laaxus#0000 the population could then consume goods [04-Apr-25 03:39 PM] laaxus#0000 and generate taxes [04-Apr-25 03:39 PM] laaxus#0000 etc etc [04-Apr-25 03:39 PM] pxlfox.#0000 let the pop take additional materials when the living conditions on the planet are harsh [04-Apr-25 03:39 PM] pxlfox.#0000 like meds against radiation damage [04-Apr-25 03:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So like uh coruscant? [04-Apr-25 03:39 PM] pxlfox.#0000 or oxygen for breathing tanks [04-Apr-25 03:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 A city that takes a whole planet [04-Apr-25 03:40 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Deimos is basically already a city taking a whole planet [04-Apr-25 03:41 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Let people join already full planets and apply overcrowded penalties [04-Apr-25 03:41 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Yeah, I can wrap my head around that [04-Apr-25 03:44 PM] jvaler#0000 i headcanon deimos as not being a habitable planet even though it is. given the plot count it should be a planet-wide forge world {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357818257821667508/image.png?ex=6814860b&is=6813348b&hm=dd095d8857b3eccc420560371bb64017454f8317921f8958eb8f2820e064298c& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ (2) [04-Apr-25 03:45 PM] pxlfox.#0000 absolutely! [04-Apr-25 03:45 PM] pxlfox.#0000 If we had environmental simulation, you couldn't see shit on Deimos [04-Apr-25 03:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The core is the source of heat for the forges [04-Apr-25 03:46 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I hope when the electricity update comes around we'll get cool energy sources [04-Apr-25 03:46 PM] pxlfox.#0000 like "core of the planet generator" or something [04-Apr-25 03:55 PM] rayjiff#0000 Good day [04-Apr-25 03:55 PM] rayjiff#0000 new player looking for some shipping contracts preferably around the Antares region [04-Apr-25 03:55 PM] laaxus#0000 look at the ANT LM market {Reactions} โ˜๏ธ [04-Apr-25 03:55 PM] laaxus#0000 currently pretty much empty, but is usually filled with conts you could take {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Apr-25 04:06 PM] jab.sh#0000 I post elec/griff shipping contracts pretty regularly on the ant lm [04-Apr-25 04:18 PM] vanarazor#0000 I wish they would introduce war in this economical universe!!! What is a federation without war, what is an empire without war? this could be a way to burn ship production for a chance to get something out of it ? political power earn by winning a skirmish. Planets that have more than just one optimisation. wars need weaponry as well. what could go wrond a death star destroyer of worlds? [04-Apr-25 04:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 This isnโ€™t eve [04-Apr-25 04:19 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/vader-gif-9893746263943791493 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/vader-gif-9893746263943791493 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/OrzSyKIs7nu71Q2P-cGVoKT9hFr-hal3MB4KdGf8kpc/https/media.tenor.com/iU2lzsg3w4UAAAAe/vader.png [04-Apr-25 04:19 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-death-star-laser-gif-9916316 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-death-star-laser-gif-9916316 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/iSi5937htt_mg_uxE3WC8_78ZmYynSEaiXCiTv4BLgY/https/media.tenor.com/JkcQlbCjo2cAAAAe/star-wars-death-star.png [04-Apr-25 04:19 PM] igfloz#0000 no, no and thrice no ! [04-Apr-25 04:19 PM] vanarazor#0000 let me dream a little bit {Reactions} RSZeroShrugIDK [04-Apr-25 04:20 PM] vanarazor#0000 oh I see you are a rebel , the empire will find your home [04-Apr-25 04:21 PM] vanarazor#0000 I never played eve [04-Apr-25 04:21 PM] vanarazor#0000 is it good ? [04-Apr-25 04:21 PM] igfloz#0000 then the empire will meet the rebels - eVe "was" good - no interest in it now {Reactions} โค๏ธ [04-Apr-25 04:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ve never played, but it seems like a game for no lifers [04-Apr-25 04:23 PM] laaxus#0000 do you think grinding 10h a day on 6 different account just to be competitive is fun ? {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [04-Apr-25 04:23 PM] laaxus#0000 some people do, I don't [04-Apr-25 04:23 PM] jab.sh#0000 sounds like you need an eve classic [04-Apr-25 04:24 PM] pxlfox.#0000 The devs actually plan a โ€œconflictโ€ system, where governments of planets of a fraction can form a council, which should be able to expand the fraction borders [04-Apr-25 04:24 PM] laaxus#0000 Worst part is pirating You're doing you're think, a pirate steals you everything [04-Apr-25 04:24 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Itโ€™s not really stated how they want to realise it mechanically [04-Apr-25 04:25 PM] laaxus#0000 we will never ever get that {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [04-Apr-25 04:25 PM] pxlfox.#0000 But they said it wonโ€™t mean players will lose ships or production lines [04-Apr-25 04:25 PM] laaxus#0000 at least not with only one dev [04-Apr-25 04:26 PM] pxlfox.#0000 New Antares could be actually in the fraction borders with that feature ๐Ÿ˜‚ [04-Apr-25 04:26 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Probably [04-Apr-25 04:27 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Getting Gateways this year would be already huge [04-Apr-25 04:29 PM] laaxus#0000 I have a "One system Two factions" plan for New Antares that I'm cooking up [04-Apr-25 04:31 PM] laaxus#0000 Then the people will elect me as governor of Etherwind [04-Apr-25 04:31 PM] laaxus#0000 Democratically ofcourse [04-Apr-25 04:33 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Need some ADI bases over there for โ€œdemocratic votingโ€? [04-Apr-25 04:33 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Whatโ€™s the COGC there? [04-Apr-25 04:34 PM] laaxus#0000 not now, not now [04-Apr-25 04:34 PM] laaxus#0000 it's too early [04-Apr-25 04:35 PM] laaxus#0000 For now, I want to stabilize project corgi [04-Apr-25 04:40 PM] jvaler#0000 do people even use the governance channels? [04-Apr-25 04:41 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah I was thinking they could be locked behind a role [04-Apr-25 04:41 PM] jvaler#0000 i feel like #gov-guides can just be moved into #prun-resources [04-Apr-25 04:41 PM] jvaler#0000 and #gov-discussion isn't really needed, that can happen anywhere [04-Apr-25 04:42 PM] jvaler#0000 then #gov-internal-offers could be kept but just relocated to the marketplace category [04-Apr-25 04:42 PM] jab.sh#0000 #gov-internal-offers makes sense... if you're a governor [04-Apr-25 04:42 PM] jab.sh#0000 if you're not then it's useless [04-Apr-25 04:42 PM] jab.sh#0000 unless you want to list there I guess? but it's pretty specialized [04-Apr-25 04:43 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah and it's just cptcoleslaw in there really [04-Apr-25 04:43 PM] jab.sh#0000 cute names are fun but I have no idea what cult kevin and ppp are. I know corgi is for making fabs cheaper but only because I was here when it was made ๐Ÿ˜… [04-Apr-25 04:43 PM] jab.sh#0000 one information channel might make more sense? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [04-Apr-25 04:43 PM] jab.sh#0000 so you can just skim the one channel [04-Apr-25 04:44 PM] jab.sh#0000 kinda like #deleted-channel [04-Apr-25 04:45 PM] jab.sh#0000 [04-Apr-25 04:45 PM] jab.sh#0000 @igfloz we moved ๐Ÿ˜„ [04-Apr-25 04:46 PM] jab.sh#0000 I don't mute channels here (yet) but I do collapse them. I generally have discord in collapsed mode for all servers (which looks like this) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357833630461857983/screenshot_20250404154543.png?ex=6814945c&is=681342dc&hm=1b1eeb71c87487567d8752491df0189e20fb09c584f04d38daf4ed17a65b21cd& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [04-Apr-25 04:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have none muted here [04-Apr-25 04:47 PM] jvaler#0000 i keep the CULT category collapsed most of the time too [04-Apr-25 04:47 PM] jvaler#0000 and i only have #trading muted since i'm on break atm {Reactions} spcgbonk [04-Apr-25 04:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But in AA Iโ€™ve got lots [04-Apr-25 04:47 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah AA could do with hiding channels by role more. [04-Apr-25 04:48 PM] igfloz#0000 I hate to admit this, but since leaving DNPC, I have blanket muted AA server {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [04-Apr-25 04:48 PM] jab.sh#0000 we miss you igfloz [04-Apr-25 04:48 PM] jvaler#0000 each project has a pretty lengthy information post, i feel like that'd be cluttered. but it would cut the channel count by 50%... [04-Apr-25 04:48 PM] igfloz#0000 lol, no you don't - I'm just a peon ๐Ÿ˜„ [04-Apr-25 04:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think like a high level overview {Reactions} โ˜๏ธ [04-Apr-25 04:49 PM] jab.sh#0000 there's two discord paradigms I see. restrict access to _privileged_ roles and channels (think admin roles/channels) hide channels but anyone can add/remove the roles at will (this can be done with a bot or server onboarding) and there's no reason these can't co-exist. [04-Apr-25 04:49 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah, an overview of each thing, and then users can grab a role to see the other channels/info/etc. [04-Apr-25 04:50 PM] jab.sh#0000 of course as admins you're stuck with all of the channels all the time ๐Ÿ˜› [04-Apr-25 04:50 PM] jvaler#0000 wouldn't that be #channel-information ? do the descriptions need improvements? [04-Apr-25 04:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Idk ask jab [04-Apr-25 04:51 PM] jab.sh#0000 although you can still hide channels with [04-Apr-25 04:51 PM] jab.sh#0000 which I guess isn't enabled for this server [04-Apr-25 04:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think itโ€™s good [04-Apr-25 04:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Needs corgi [04-Apr-25 04:51 PM] jab.sh#0000 honestly I don't think I've ever opened #channel-information ๐Ÿ˜† [04-Apr-25 04:51 PM] jab.sh#0000 but that could be cleaned up too [04-Apr-25 04:51 PM] jab.sh#0000 some redundancy there [04-Apr-25 04:52 PM] jab.sh#0000 like that could just say: * #kevin-information & #kevin-operations: an INS production co-op. [04-Apr-25 04:52 PM] jab.sh#0000 it's clear from the second half of the name what the channels do (informaion and operations) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ‘†๐Ÿฝ [04-Apr-25 04:53 PM] jvaler#0000 true true [04-Apr-25 04:54 PM] jvaler#0000 i moved all governance channels to the archive btw [04-Apr-25 04:54 PM] jvaler#0000 added the guide links to #prun-resources tho [04-Apr-25 04:54 PM] igfloz#0000 Not that I'm trying to give any kind of advice... and I'm not trying to infer that this server is sub-standard. I have joined other servers (different styles, different games) - but they kind of open with a mission statement (what it's all about, goals, etc.) - then you can get roles to view channels that you can input into (not the whole apple so to speak) [04-Apr-25 04:54 PM] jab.sh#0000 you're too polite ๐Ÿ˜› [04-Apr-25 04:55 PM] jvaler#0000 i've seen that, the community server feature that lets you opt in and out of channels, right? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [04-Apr-25 04:55 PM] jab.sh#0000 yes [04-Apr-25 04:55 PM] jab.sh#0000 using [04-Apr-25 04:56 PM] igfloz#0000 My grandpa told me honesty doesn't cost anything, as long as you're polite ๐Ÿ™‚ [04-Apr-25 04:56 PM] jvaler#0000 personally i hate when servers have that, cause if i don't notice it's enabled there will be hidden channels that i really would have liked to have seen [04-Apr-25 04:56 PM] jab.sh#0000 I love it but a lot of times I'll enable every channel anyway [04-Apr-25 04:57 PM] jvaler#0000 oh yeah and there's no "enable all" button(s) ๐Ÿ˜ญ [04-Apr-25 04:57 PM] jvaler#0000 gotta go through and click everything one by one [04-Apr-25 04:57 PM] jab.sh#0000 no but you can enable all per category [04-Apr-25 04:57 PM] jab.sh#0000 in the main server I admin I hide all the sports channels for instance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357836568768811181/screenshot_20250404155714.png?ex=68149719&is=68134599&hm=0ad4e3227191e0cd630d157f9c8fcdf9381ae4ac28b505f0661267943ede5503& [04-Apr-25 04:57 PM] jab.sh#0000 as well as "archive" channels [04-Apr-25 04:58 PM] jvaler#0000 wait i thought follow category enabled notifications or something [04-Apr-25 04:58 PM] igfloz#0000 @jvaler ...so as a noob, what would you expect as an introduction ? A erm, closed portal that can be expanded over time, or 50 channels all in one go ? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [04-Apr-25 04:58 PM] jab.sh#0000 nope [04-Apr-25 04:58 PM] jab.sh#0000 notifications are separate [04-Apr-25 04:58 PM] jab.sh#0000 I think it'll add any newly created channels to your channel list? that's it [04-Apr-25 04:59 PM] jvaler#0000 i'd want everything that exists to be available to me [04-Apr-25 04:59 PM] jvaler#0000 ohhh okay [04-Apr-25 04:59 PM] jvaler#0000 cause that was also another gripe i had [04-Apr-25 05:00 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah I can see that [04-Apr-25 05:00 PM] jvaler#0000 staff would add new channels and i'd have no idea they existed until months later lmao [04-Apr-25 05:00 PM] jab.sh#0000 an all channels option would be nice [04-Apr-25 05:01 PM] jab.sh#0000 jk there is one [04-Apr-25 05:01 PM] jab.sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1357837533072851198/screenshot_20250404160128.png?ex=681497ff&is=6813467f&hm=0d83b82faf36b58e6a25e4ac088ed7c1e48c172925bfb4c10b11cc03b8cd3b7b& [04-Apr-25 05:02 PM] jvaler#0000 oh wtf [04-Apr-25 05:03 PM] jvaler#0000 i feel like a boomer not knowing how to use computers {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [04-Apr-25 05:03 PM] jab.sh#0000 discord does make some... annoying decisions [04-Apr-25 05:04 PM] jab.sh#0000 I also hang out in the pycord server (python library for discord bots) with some staff-adjacent people and learn a lot there (and hear a lot of griping) [04-Apr-25 05:04 PM] igfloz#0000 Discord isn't alone, There are many apps that are "messy" [04-Apr-25 05:05 PM] jab.sh#0000 of course [04-Apr-25 05:05 PM] jab.sh#0000 like, give me a prun api ๐Ÿ˜› [04-Apr-25 05:05 PM] jvaler#0000 ;_; [04-Apr-25 05:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 I'd automate the crap out of this game if I could [04-Apr-25 11:32 PM] jcheung#0000 wait a minute. i've played this game. can't remember what it is tho [04-Apr-25 11:33 PM] vanarazor#0000 slipways [05-Apr-25 12:53 AM] jcheung#0000 huh. i've hit 180 day #1 on SC [05-Apr-25 12:53 AM] jcheung#0000 surprising [05-Apr-25 12:55 AM] jcheung#0000 damn, some people really scaled up their SC production ๐Ÿ˜‚ [05-Apr-25 12:55 AM] jcheung#0000 SC prices bout to tank [05-Apr-25 12:55 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/wzOh.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/world-smallest-violin-mrkrabs-gif-5341803 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/bX7cqoKMXsq7FnToP3JWaGWQoOrb6K0Gyd-nYAh1FrE/https/media.tenor.com/LLPCQCwe_zkAAAAe/world-smallest.png [05-Apr-25 03:00 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Regards the discussion in #agp-operations - Everything produced by people to be used internally or traded privately (and therefore not reaching the market) is ultimately still relieving the market, so I think for a market analysis tool, we can ignore that [05-Apr-25 03:01 AM] pxlfox.#0000 For my own tool, I excluded all ask and bid orders from the book, which are more then double the current prices, to get a better feeling of actual demand and supply, since some people park there mats there [05-Apr-25 03:03 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And I added the traded amount as demand, tho Iโ€™m not quite sure, if thatโ€™s the right way. [05-Apr-25 04:23 AM] vanarazor#0000 so government can actually be deserted ? : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358009074222108682/image.png?ex=68148f01&is=68133d81&hm=b32dda30e6c47dd7c64f019f7249ceaf97687deaf4f2f0af7a0a7292b90e48fd& [05-Apr-25 04:39 AM] vanarazor#0000 LOM PALANKA nearly full {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358013165694095440/image.png?ex=681492d1&is=68134151&hm=c956ddc81c719133fd6db7e177bb344996e50e34110964481f4e37fe97eb72bd& [05-Apr-25 04:45 AM] pxlfox.#0000 full with what? [05-Apr-25 04:45 AM] vanarazor#0000 6 available plots left [05-Apr-25 04:45 AM] vanarazor#0000 Palanka is the new DEIMOS [05-Apr-25 04:45 AM] pxlfox.#0000 you read that wrong [05-Apr-25 04:46 AM] vanarazor#0000 if everyone is doing Rfabs and A fabs, EPO is going to tank [05-Apr-25 04:46 AM] pxlfox.#0000 469 plots left [05-Apr-25 04:46 AM] vanarazor#0000 ohhh [05-Apr-25 04:46 AM] pxlfox.#0000 look at Deimos e.g. [05-Apr-25 04:46 AM] vanarazor#0000 yeah nah you'r right {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358014985292218398/image.png?ex=68149483&is=68134303&hm=a200057b1b094f8b6bb91655989ca8713f88121ae494fff83f7aa7c73aef6bb7& [05-Apr-25 04:46 AM] vanarazor#0000 cheers for that [05-Apr-25 04:47 AM] vanarazor#0000 I was looking at EPO prices and was wondering if that was on upside [05-Apr-25 04:47 AM] vanarazor#0000 : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358015256936448000/image.png?ex=681494c3&is=68134343&hm=45a4914bc753e74d9be47ed080e0af48f51744297b9e5e6f1d494de916aa0bbd& [05-Apr-25 04:48 AM] vanarazor#0000 62K last week volume.. [05-Apr-25 04:48 AM] vanarazor#0000 I wish I could consult the volume registered last week as well [05-Apr-25 04:49 AM] vanarazor#0000 120K volume at MOR last week [05-Apr-25 04:49 AM] pxlfox.#0000 you probably could with the FIO data [05-Apr-25 04:49 AM] vanarazor#0000 how's that work [05-Apr-25 04:49 AM] vanarazor#0000 ? [05-Apr-25 04:52 AM] vanarazor#0000 do you think people could be buying a lot of EPO at MOR and come to sell it at ANT ? [05-Apr-25 04:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm not that familiar with CX to CX trading ๐Ÿ˜… [05-Apr-25 04:55 AM] pxlfox.#0000 - IMPORTDATA("https://rest.fnar.net/csv/cxpc/EPO.AI") - Filter by 'Interval'=DAY_ONE and 'TimeEpocheMs' in your timeframe and sum the 'Traded' values https://doc.fnar.net/#/csv/get_csv_cxpc__Ticker_ [05-Apr-25 05:12 AM] pxlfox.#0000 You don't need no python do to so [05-Apr-25 05:13 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-vqbwCRVaRZxa7lLYJ5v0clhblFEswaxjWdo3CZL8Zw/edit?usp=sharing [05-Apr-25 05:13 AM] vanarazor#0000 right now im on github reading the fio wrapper page [05-Apr-25 05:22 AM] pxlfox.#0000 That's a quick sheet taking the data from the endpoint, filtering it by time frame and sums all the traded amounts [05-Apr-25 06:56 AM] pagy1234#0000 generally, when I fly faster in my ship, im supposed to have higher damage right? [05-Apr-25 06:56 AM] pagy1234#0000 in SE-110 its the opposite for me (flying faster = less damage) [05-Apr-25 06:57 AM] pagy1234#0000 is that just because of how bad the meteor level is? [05-Apr-25 06:57 AM] realharvey#0000 click the fuel slider without moving it [05-Apr-25 06:57 AM] realharvey#0000 you'll find 2 different outcomes [05-Apr-25 06:57 AM] realharvey#0000 it might be related to which route it takes to the planet [05-Apr-25 10:50 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Maybe less time in meteor = less damage? [05-Apr-25 10:51 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Meteoroid* [05-Apr-25 11:14 AM] kk100762#0000 Even if I have 10 farms in a base I can only have 5 queues? [05-Apr-25 11:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah, unless you get PRO to unlock reocurring orders [05-Apr-25 11:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Iirc queues unlock with higher HQ level [05-Apr-25 11:35 AM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah but its very slow for that, i believe at HQ5 you get the 6th slot, and HQ10 you get 7th slot. Beyond that i have no idea [05-Apr-25 12:04 PM] megamint#0000 How do I get a third ship? [05-Apr-25 12:06 PM] tanda#0000 You need PRO to build and operate a third ship, but what you do is buy all the parts from someone, bring them to a shipyard (for us that's generally going to be Hephaestus), build the blueprint for the ship you're making in BLU, create a shipyard project to build the ship, then add the parts to the project and start it [05-Apr-25 12:06 PM] tanda#0000 It'll take 24 hours or so to build the ship from that point [05-Apr-25 12:08 PM] megamint#0000 Thank you [05-Apr-25 12:13 PM] tanda#0000 Given your stage of the game, though: You'll want to upgrade your ships first, ADI has a PSK project that handles both loans and upgrade kits for new players [05-Apr-25 12:13 PM] megamint#0000 Interesting. I'll give it some thought and might come back in a couple days. [05-Apr-25 12:14 PM] megamint#0000 What are the benefits to upgrading a ship? [05-Apr-25 12:14 PM] igfloz#0000 #psk-information [05-Apr-25 12:14 PM] tanda#0000 no rush, you'll probably start needing to upgrade ships around your 3rd or 4th base anyway [05-Apr-25 12:14 PM] tanda#0000 Upgraded ships is pretty much just swapping out the cargo hold [05-Apr-25 12:14 PM] igfloz#0000 You basically upgrade your ship form a starter ship into a WCB [05-Apr-25 01:24 PM] kk100762#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ญso it is better to set a long production time? [05-Apr-25 01:24 PM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah, can be [05-Apr-25 01:25 PM] tanda#0000 it's best to use recurring production where possible [05-Apr-25 01:26 PM] igfloz#0000 you know you can set a recurring product right ? [05-Apr-25 01:26 PM] igfloz#0000 doh ! Tanda beat me to it , lol [05-Apr-25 01:26 PM] tanda#0000 I wouldn't advise using a production time longer than 24 hours, or you may run into issues with storage [05-Apr-25 01:27 PM] igfloz#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358146014606786611/image.png?ex=68150e8b&is=6813bd0b&hm=34de87e0d7f0ecd88f5cfd51e94556ade0a704dbeb7d596ddfb4e900e6ad862f& [05-Apr-25 01:28 PM] kk100762#0000 ye but cant use this recurring order well [05-Apr-25 01:30 PM] kk100762#0000 It always makes all of my farm produce the top order [05-Apr-25 01:31 PM] igfloz#0000 No, it will cycle through the queued list. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358147044312613014/image.png?ex=68150f80&is=6813be00&hm=ea7763ac6de0beb4a85827fb383854c5cd2c102a5e593a94d975b2eb1860a34c& [05-Apr-25 01:31 PM] igfloz#0000 You have 2 lists if you open up details on your production [05-Apr-25 01:32 PM] igfloz#0000 you have your active production queue and you have you queued list of desired production [05-Apr-25 01:32 PM] kk100762#0000 really๏ผŸI will try it tomorrow ,thanks [05-Apr-25 01:33 PM] igfloz#0000 If you are working a multi product planet, each industry will have it's own separate queue [05-Apr-25 01:35 PM] igfloz#0000 Like so {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358148087792664647/image.png?ex=68151079&is=6813bef9&hm=13f6d389b98e2d998d837e18d26989e31eb603e5d80f6d914bde52b557bab3c4& [05-Apr-25 01:36 PM] tanda#0000 If your production lines are all empty, ofc it's going to fill with the first order you put in. If you care that much about being balanced even right now, just fill your production lines first, then fill your queues with recurring orders [05-Apr-25 01:37 PM] igfloz#0000 Oh yeah, right - I missed that ๐Ÿ‘† [05-Apr-25 02:27 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 So i'll sound the alarm. SF is at 17.7 now. [05-Apr-25 02:29 PM] pagy1234#0000 what on earth.... [05-Apr-25 02:29 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 And there is only 400k under the MM. [05-Apr-25 02:30 PM] pagy1234#0000 did a major order get deleted from market? why was there such a gap between the order around 16.6 and these ones now?? [05-Apr-25 02:30 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I dont know, i noticed the gap and adjusted my order [05-Apr-25 02:31 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 It seems like tuf goodz orders expired [05-Apr-25 02:31 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I think [05-Apr-25 02:31 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I'll import fuel from BEN. [05-Apr-25 02:31 PM] pagy1234#0000 much apreciated [05-Apr-25 02:32 PM] pagy1234#0000 will stock up, I will really have to cut down on fuel usage if this continues [05-Apr-25 02:32 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Nvm BEN is also high [05-Apr-25 02:32 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Its at 16 ask [05-Apr-25 02:33 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 It never recovered from when I dumped 9mil and pushed up prices to 17 [05-Apr-25 02:33 PM] pagy1234#0000 hahaha [05-Apr-25 02:33 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 And ANT is suffering from lack of demand [05-Apr-25 02:33 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Lack of supply* [05-Apr-25 02:33 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Mixed it up lol [05-Apr-25 02:33 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Interesting tho, last week my fuel wouldnt sell [05-Apr-25 02:33 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 And this week it just vanished [05-Apr-25 02:33 PM] pagy1234#0000 btw FF also doesnt look great, eventualy gravy's orders will be gone and then there will be hardly anything left [05-Apr-25 02:34 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 FF i can remedy by rerouting all the FF to ANT instead of MOR [05-Apr-25 02:35 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 But SF i cant because I am already selling all my SF at ANT [05-Apr-25 02:35 PM] tanda#0000 well, maybe with the new higher prices, it'll make sense for some new players to get into fuel [05-Apr-25 02:35 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Yea [05-Apr-25 02:35 PM] pagy1234#0000 incoming H crash? [05-Apr-25 02:35 PM] tanda#0000 Continue on as normal, fuel is a rounding error {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [05-Apr-25 02:36 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Lol [05-Apr-25 02:36 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Ant uses so much fuel [05-Apr-25 02:36 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah dont know why lol [05-Apr-25 02:36 PM] vanarazor#0000 I was literally looking at prices last night (10 hours ago) [05-Apr-25 02:37 PM] pagy1234#0000 SF and FF consumption is higher than anywhere else lol [05-Apr-25 02:37 PM] vanarazor#0000 it 's not a great ROI but sounds liquid!! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [05-Apr-25 02:38 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, the margins for fuel are in owning the whole process [05-Apr-25 02:38 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 This [05-Apr-25 02:38 PM] vanarazor#0000 it does feel like extraction bases can sustain multiple refineries [05-Apr-25 02:38 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Why? [05-Apr-25 02:39 PM] tanda#0000 I haven't looked at load balancing, but someone could probably do well to start a fuel coop [05-Apr-25 02:39 PM] vanarazor#0000 Im keen [05-Apr-25 02:39 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I am happy to open a 1 permit refinery base in ANT if i get consistent H, GAL and AMM supply from ADI. [05-Apr-25 02:39 PM] pagy1234#0000 well I assume more people will get into fuel, and both fuels use H, so H will go up aswell if people dont adjust [05-Apr-25 02:39 PM] vanarazor#0000 I was about to day the same [05-Apr-25 02:39 PM] vanarazor#0000 I don;t have fund for a gaz hauler yet [05-Apr-25 02:40 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 welp [05-Apr-25 02:40 PM] tanda#0000 be the change you wish to see? [05-Apr-25 02:40 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Is it time to reorganise my 3 permit SF base to 3 different SF bases? [05-Apr-25 02:40 PM] tanda#0000 ooh, make sure to line up your ships for it first [05-Apr-25 02:40 PM] tanda#0000 that's a lot of shipping changes [05-Apr-25 02:41 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I dont have excess GAL and H tho [05-Apr-25 02:41 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah I thought about logitstics for refinery and you might a couple of gaz haulers [05-Apr-25 02:41 PM] vanarazor#0000 first [05-Apr-25 02:41 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I have enough ships [05-Apr-25 02:41 PM] vanarazor#0000 1-2 wcb for minerals [05-Apr-25 02:41 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 1x WCB, 2x LCBs are dedicated just for GAL, H and SF export [05-Apr-25 02:42 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 AMM i occasionally send with another LCB [05-Apr-25 02:42 PM] vanarazor#0000 jesus I just have 2 wcb [05-Apr-25 02:42 PM] vanarazor#0000 this game.... [05-Apr-25 02:42 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I have a lot more ships now including an HCB and another VCB to HCB upgrade on order [05-Apr-25 02:42 PM] vanarazor#0000 eveyrtime im short of a few dozen millions [05-Apr-25 02:42 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 In total i have like 5 LCBs now [05-Apr-25 02:42 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 So i am fine with the shipping [05-Apr-25 02:43 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I need GAL and H tho. [05-Apr-25 02:43 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/georgenotfound-gogy-dreamsmp-puppylasagna-gif-20199714 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/georgenotfound-gogy-dreamsmp-puppylasagna-gif-20199714 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/_xdpbQKqsmT7UJRyuABJNekXeQoX7z-w4Bif3CG6riQ/https/media.tenor.com/yxOmMOpIke8AAAAe/georgenotfound-gogy.png [05-Apr-25 02:43 PM] vanarazor#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‚ just joking [05-Apr-25 02:43 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Was gonna offer to ship for you but guess nah [05-Apr-25 02:43 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 ๐Ÿ‘€ [05-Apr-25 02:43 PM] vanarazor#0000 hahahaha [05-Apr-25 02:43 PM] vanarazor#0000 I still have a permit open [05-Apr-25 02:43 PM] vanarazor#0000 i was supposed to be DDT [05-Apr-25 02:43 PM] vanarazor#0000 but can be REF or anything needed in [05-Apr-25 02:44 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Still need GAL [05-Apr-25 02:44 PM] vanarazor#0000 I just cant ship [05-Apr-25 02:44 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 And H and AMM [05-Apr-25 02:44 PM] vanarazor#0000 2 wcb is enough for my 12 (barely when is refill time, so IM trying to staggered the refill time) [05-Apr-25 02:44 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 If someone makes a GAL base, I will consume half of the output and can ship the stuff ๐Ÿ™‚ [05-Apr-25 02:45 PM] vanarazor#0000 let me consult prplan [05-Apr-25 02:45 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Ok [05-Apr-25 02:45 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I will also need H [05-Apr-25 02:45 PM] vanarazor#0000 where is your REF base ? zv 759 ? zv 307 ? [05-Apr-25 02:45 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 LS-746b [05-Apr-25 02:46 PM] vanarazor#0000 ohhh man that's HRT [05-Apr-25 02:46 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 The new base will be closer to ANT [05-Apr-25 02:46 PM] vanarazor#0000 area [05-Apr-25 02:46 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 No [05-Apr-25 02:46 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Thats between ANT and BEN [05-Apr-25 02:46 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 1 jump from Styx [05-Apr-25 02:46 PM] vanarazor#0000 oh yeah nah it's up north [05-Apr-25 02:46 PM] pagy1234#0000 H on KI-401d looks really good [05-Apr-25 02:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Eh [05-Apr-25 02:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Too far away [05-Apr-25 02:47 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah H/AR [05-Apr-25 02:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I am not spending more than 1 permit on this [05-Apr-25 02:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Permits are too expensive [05-Apr-25 02:47 PM] vanarazor#0000 the closest best would be kw-976c [05-Apr-25 02:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 KW-976c is where my current GAL base is lol [05-Apr-25 02:48 PM] pagy1234#0000 damn actually a COL base on KI-401d looks really good in general, 22d ROI but 108k/d without experts [05-Apr-25 02:48 PM] vanarazor#0000 have a look at the shipping [05-Apr-25 02:48 PM] pagy1234#0000 147k/d with [05-Apr-25 02:48 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 How is the shipping looking? [05-Apr-25 02:48 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah a little outrageous but profit looks so nice [05-Apr-25 02:48 PM] pagy1234#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358166523025428670/Screenshot_2025-04-06_at_3.48.47_AM.png?ex=681478e4&is=68132764&hm=c9d4319100054e8f4bcdb4b2aac519dba43f1657ea0375a5d1f9d9b144c53097& [05-Apr-25 02:48 PM] vanarazor#0000 so wait you already have a3 base SF ? [05-Apr-25 02:48 PM] vanarazor#0000 and you want a new set up ? ? [05-Apr-25 02:49 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Yes [05-Apr-25 02:49 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I have a 1000 area SF base [05-Apr-25 02:49 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 And a 1000 area FF base [05-Apr-25 02:49 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 And bases for each input [05-Apr-25 02:49 PM] vanarazor#0000 how is that good ? [05-Apr-25 02:49 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Except AMM [05-Apr-25 02:49 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Makes logistics easier [05-Apr-25 02:49 PM] vanarazor#0000 means 8 permits? [05-Apr-25 02:50 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I didnt have 15 ships earlier.... [05-Apr-25 02:50 PM] vanarazor#0000 fair enough [05-Apr-25 02:50 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 1 for HE3, 2 for H, 1 for GAL, 3 for SF and 3 for FF [05-Apr-25 02:50 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Total 10 permits for 420k fuel a week [05-Apr-25 02:51 PM] vanarazor#0000 very cool [05-Apr-25 02:51 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Plus 1 permit for HE3 and 1 for H owned by others of which i buy 100% output [05-Apr-25 02:52 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 So yea, a lot of bases in my fuel empire [05-Apr-25 02:52 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 And i am looking to become more permit efficient [05-Apr-25 02:52 PM] vanarazor#0000 the closest spot for H isKI-401d [05-Apr-25 02:52 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I am not going setup more raw material bases tho [05-Apr-25 02:52 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Just SF [05-Apr-25 02:53 PM] vanarazor#0000 imnot even considering zv-759g [05-Apr-25 02:53 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Why [05-Apr-25 02:53 PM] vanarazor#0000 becasue that'37%? [05-Apr-25 02:53 PM] vanarazor#0000 /66%? [05-Apr-25 02:53 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 My ANT H base is on ANT II g [05-Apr-25 02:53 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Which is ZV-759g i think [05-Apr-25 02:54 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Actually [05-Apr-25 02:54 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I might move my base to KI-401d [05-Apr-25 02:54 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah man I mean it's almost 30% more [05-Apr-25 02:55 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 KI-401d is 39 [05-Apr-25 02:55 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 In prunplanner [05-Apr-25 02:56 PM] vanarazor#0000 ki is even warmer {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358168323610906785/image.png?ex=68147a91&is=68132911&hm=bad7a3b8cf7aa553e8df9e3745e8f3893fb0936af2f39628ee10a4b92fa4cb6b& [05-Apr-25 02:56 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 But Ant ii g is only 22 [05-Apr-25 02:56 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 So [05-Apr-25 02:56 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Yea [05-Apr-25 02:56 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Makes no difference [05-Apr-25 02:56 PM] vanarazor#0000 Taiyi's map says other wise : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358168428908904678/image.png?ex=68147aab&is=6813292b&hm=0eb1c659debb3a696f7694f51e14be8dc96fdfd211a2f5ff351798a583130f4c& [05-Apr-25 02:56 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Positive is the higher H and existence of AR [05-Apr-25 02:56 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Idk what those numbers are in prunplanner but seems differemt [05-Apr-25 02:58 PM] vanarazor#0000 oh yeah ... mmmhm {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358168831134138600/image.png?ex=68147b0a&is=6813298a&hm=ea6b940d00b8b34ef20f304ed51f7c1946bc7ffc0399b3aab182acea2c739279& [05-Apr-25 02:59 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 1400 H a day [05-Apr-25 02:59 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Logistical nightmare though [05-Apr-25 03:00 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I will need to order another HCB [05-Apr-25 03:00 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah weven if you reduce it and have gaz haulerS : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358169409658687810/image.png?ex=68147b94&is=68132a14&hm=06b43df52bf626b293d3300714f411c76fd42779963cbf3789a03783992f5493& [05-Apr-25 03:00 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 And i am very broke [05-Apr-25 03:00 PM] vanarazor#0000 tell me about it [05-Apr-25 03:01 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Why is AR liquid [05-Apr-25 03:01 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Ugh [05-Apr-25 03:01 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 The positive is gone [05-Apr-25 03:01 PM] vanarazor#0000 how's that an issue ? [05-Apr-25 03:02 PM] vanarazor#0000 blances out the t/m**3 [05-Apr-25 03:03 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I need around 900 H per day for 2 SF bases [05-Apr-25 03:03 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 The third one will need around 450 [05-Apr-25 03:03 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Total requirement is around 1400 H [05-Apr-25 03:03 PM] vanarazor#0000 you need 2 lcb dedicated to transport that H then [05-Apr-25 03:03 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 If i wanted to switch AR occassionaly, i cant since i need 100% COLs [05-Apr-25 03:03 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 That I can do [05-Apr-25 03:03 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Buy new HCB [05-Apr-25 03:03 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Use that [05-Apr-25 03:04 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Take loan [05-Apr-25 03:04 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Or [05-Apr-25 03:04 PM] vanarazor#0000 best H prod would be this : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358170453478215850/image.png?ex=68147c8d&is=68132b0d&hm=fdc89164154fcd48766ee81da14accc6df94828f1027f50deb2554053ee1a987& [05-Apr-25 03:04 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358170501494735018/image.png?ex=68147c99&is=68132b19&hm=ec74745df3a656686b3c389baddddc8f5dfa98c17334c3b62e8905a5974b732f& [05-Apr-25 03:05 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Yes [05-Apr-25 03:05 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 But [05-Apr-25 03:05 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Yea that [05-Apr-25 03:05 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 But 3 STO [05-Apr-25 03:05 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 21 COL [05-Apr-25 03:05 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 11 HB1 [05-Apr-25 03:05 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 So H is sorted [05-Apr-25 03:05 PM] vanarazor#0000 oh my god, say bye bye to your holidays [05-Apr-25 03:06 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Seriously? [05-Apr-25 03:06 PM] vanarazor#0000 an LCB needs to arrive everry 2 days [05-Apr-25 03:06 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I used to ship 2400 H off CB-282d per day [05-Apr-25 03:06 PM] vanarazor#0000 It feels like a logistics nightmare [05-Apr-25 03:06 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I still ship around that much per day [05-Apr-25 03:07 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Just down to 1 permit myself and 1 permit of a corp member [05-Apr-25 03:07 PM] vanarazor#0000 wow,m you just expanded my conception of the world [05-Apr-25 03:07 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Seriously? [05-Apr-25 03:07 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 You think i only make fuel right? [05-Apr-25 03:07 PM] vanarazor#0000 I have no idea< if you tell me you are batman, I think i ll believe you [05-Apr-25 03:07 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [05-Apr-25 03:08 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Big oil is big money [05-Apr-25 03:08 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Soooo [05-Apr-25 03:08 PM] vanarazor#0000 only bruce wayne can afford 5 LCB [05-Apr-25 03:08 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I have 14 ships so [05-Apr-25 03:08 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 +1 in the oven [05-Apr-25 03:09 PM] vanarazor#0000 hey if I had 700K more I could afford that base and still my loans this week [05-Apr-25 03:09 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Oh i am super broke [05-Apr-25 03:09 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I paid off 20.5 million today [05-Apr-25 03:09 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I still have 31 million to go [05-Apr-25 03:09 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 โ˜ ๏ธ [05-Apr-25 03:10 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 My account has next to nothing [05-Apr-25 03:10 PM] vanarazor#0000 I can;t wait to reach your level of _broke-ness_ [05-Apr-25 03:12 PM] vanarazor#0000 Yeah I don;t ahve enough funds, I need to wait for profits a bit [05-Apr-25 03:13 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 So yea i need a GAL base [05-Apr-25 03:13 PM] vanarazor#0000 if this profits could be realised at some point I ll be rich enough : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358172685514838128/image.png?ex=68147ea1&is=68132d21&hm=aa28670b0c5117940711e52ecd32318bfb6625b8fbef56ded67e0456ef433f5c& [05-Apr-25 03:13 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Oh it will probably fly off the shelf [05-Apr-25 03:14 PM] vanarazor#0000 c {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358173008719646840/image.png?ex=68147eee&is=68132d6e&hm=e4ab11b041c96c4ef85f109ce1950b8c38790b571aaf8bd5da8ee07b15b244df& [05-Apr-25 03:14 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Perfect [05-Apr-25 03:14 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I'll take half [05-Apr-25 03:15 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Actually [05-Apr-25 03:15 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Let me check the prices on ANT CX [05-Apr-25 03:21 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Prices are not bad [05-Apr-25 03:22 PM] vanarazor#0000 I can't do the shipping for that GAL base [05-Apr-25 03:27 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 But the volume is just not there [05-Apr-25 03:29 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 The fuel is flying off rhe shelf [05-Apr-25 03:34 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Guess who can ๐Ÿ‘€ [05-Apr-25 05:49 PM] evov#0000 r.e. KI-401d - H production - I extract H here. I have 1x GasHauler (3k/1k) ship dedicated to the planet full time. Occasionally I'll send a 2k2k out to help catch up..but not too often. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [05-Apr-25 06:41 PM] jab.sh#0000 OVE at HRT jumped up a ton. I have a bid for 91 that was the highest at the time, now it's 141 [05-Apr-25 06:48 PM] tanda#0000 a lot of those basic goods have been abandoned by producers [05-Apr-25 06:57 PM] vanarazor#0000 in prplan , what FIO storage means when you create un new empire ? [05-Apr-25 07:03 PM] tanda#0000 whether or not you want PRUN planner to pull inventory for those planets from FIO [05-Apr-25 07:04 PM] tanda#0000 it helps mostly when using construction and supply carts {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [05-Apr-25 07:11 PM] vanarazor#0000 how can change from unactive to active? [05-Apr-25 07:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 For FIO storage? [05-Apr-25 07:11 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358232612849844404/image.png?ex=6814b671&is=681364f1&hm=61b35b8c3ecc47a610c109eee2b4255aa1cffbe0f77815930a1a41fb1df0421e& [05-Apr-25 07:11 PM] vanarazor#0000 and vice versa? [05-Apr-25 07:11 PM] vanarazor#0000 create a new one ? [05-Apr-25 07:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 They should just auto update? [05-Apr-25 07:12 PM] vanarazor#0000 found it , under empire settings [05-Apr-25 07:13 PM] vanarazor#0000 actuualy not [05-Apr-25 08:25 PM] megamint#0000 So I picked up a shipping contract that is too big for my ships... What are my options? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฑ [05-Apr-25 08:26 PM] tanda#0000 1) Don't do that [05-Apr-25 08:27 PM] tanda#0000 2) reach out to the player whose contract you took and let them know the situation, find the solution with that player [05-Apr-25 08:28 PM] tanda#0000 Easiest thing to do would be have the player send you a contract for you to return the goods that's in the transport package. Then both of you request termination on the shipping contract [05-Apr-25 08:28 PM] tanda#0000 fulfill the contract for the return of the goods, and you're squared up [05-Apr-25 08:29 PM] megamint#0000 Yeah. About what I was expecting. I missed the volume and only looked at the tonnage [05-Apr-25 08:35 PM] jcheung#0000 most packages also simply aren't worth being shipped unless it's a deadhead run without [05-Apr-25 08:35 PM] jab.sh#0000 another option is to term and split it up [05-Apr-25 08:36 PM] megamint#0000 I sent a communication. I'll let them decide. [05-Apr-25 08:36 PM] megamint#0000 Just found out they're on this server tho. ๐Ÿ‘€ [05-Apr-25 08:36 PM] jcheung#0000 ping them on discord too {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [05-Apr-25 08:36 PM] jcheung#0000 the message alert in apex is.... lackluster [05-Apr-25 08:36 PM] jcheung#0000 been a few times that i've sent a message and gotten a reply months later [05-Apr-25 08:37 PM] megamint#0000 @cptboby Are you available for discussion about an order? [05-Apr-25 08:37 PM] megamint#0000 Is there an appropriate room for pings like that? [05-Apr-25 08:38 PM] jvaler#0000 just the other day i scrolled through my chat list and saw like a half dozen month old messages from players ๐Ÿ˜ญ [05-Apr-25 08:38 PM] jcheung#0000 case in point [05-Apr-25 08:38 PM] jvaler#0000 office or trading, doesn't really matter [05-Apr-25 08:39 PM] jcheung#0000 if you don't get a reply in a day or so, DMs are usually not a terrible idea either in case they have server muted [05-Apr-25 08:39 PM] jcheung#0000 ...and are able to resist the red numbers [05-Apr-25 08:40 PM] megamint#0000 right click mark as read. my favorite [05-Apr-25 08:40 PM] jvaler#0000 people who sit with 200 unread pings in 50 different servers are insane [05-Apr-25 08:40 PM] megamint#0000 Thank you for the help. ngl, had a small amount of panic [05-Apr-25 08:41 PM] jcheung#0000 i get annoyed at being pinged by @ here, then a dozen people come out the woodwork saying "just mute the server" like it doesn't put up 10 obvious visual cues and a push notification [05-Apr-25 08:43 PM] jab.sh#0000 what about 400 pings in 100 servers [05-Apr-25 08:43 PM] megamint#0000 hang on a minute cowboy [05-Apr-25 08:43 PM] megamint#0000 that's just too much [05-Apr-25 08:44 PM] jvaler#0000 thing is mute is different to disabling pings you can disable @ here without muting the server {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358256024800460800/IMG_6507.png?ex=6814cc3f&is=68137abf&hm=88e24346c76ace935fa24fbaed79ab1a1ea2cbaca7d92bcbf7b68d82ce76b071& [05-Apr-25 08:44 PM] jcheung#0000 that's equal to muting [05-Apr-25 08:45 PM] jcheung#0000 it suppresses the sound [05-Apr-25 08:45 PM] jcheung#0000 still kicks all the alerts [05-Apr-25 08:45 PM] jvaler#0000 oh i never knew that [05-Apr-25 08:45 PM] jcheung#0000 the servers i'm in with streamers drive me insane {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [05-Apr-25 08:45 PM] jvaler#0000 but it's not equal cause it doesn't ping at all [05-Apr-25 08:45 PM] jab.sh#0000 Discord's not allowed to make any sounds [05-Apr-25 08:46 PM] jcheung#0000 i've tried suppression in channels for said streamers [05-Apr-25 08:46 PM] jvaler#0000 oh weird [05-Apr-25 08:47 PM] jcheung#0000 literally only kills the sound [05-Apr-25 08:48 PM] jvaler#0000 i've gotten it to work for me, i have a bunch of servers i don't get a peep from because i turn off non-role pings {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358257118553313432/IMG_6508.png?ex=6814cd44&is=68137bc4&hm=3a9b5d650cb6c809dfb2ea3c354891710a1e31d6eaa61f20f6184a5f27d74946& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358257118976934008/IMG_6509.png?ex=6814cd44&is=68137bc4&hm=6af69d7ed18bcfb4dbc365fb41e2859fffae703462090c1eac3b09b3284d5cfa& [05-Apr-25 08:49 PM] jcheung#0000 https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360033633512-Disabling-pings-on-a-specific-channel-inside-a-server [05-Apr-25 08:49 PM] jvaler#0000 oh you want channel specific... maybe that's different [05-Apr-25 08:50 PM] jcheung#0000 .....if i want to mute a whole server i'd just leave the server ๐Ÿ˜„ [05-Apr-25 08:50 PM] tanda#0000 I just manage mentions in servers by having very few servers [05-Apr-25 08:50 PM] jvaler#0000 but i don't have the server muted [05-Apr-25 08:50 PM] jvaler#0000 just the mass pings [05-Apr-25 08:50 PM] jvaler#0000 if i'm wanted by a role or @jvaler ping i would get it [05-Apr-25 08:50 PM] jvaler#0000 and unread notis still show up for the server [05-Apr-25 08:51 PM] jcheung#0000 and they don't for \@ here and \@ everyone ? [05-Apr-25 08:51 PM] jvaler#0000 mhm [05-Apr-25 08:52 PM] jcheung#0000 ....must be a recent update because those didn't work when i tested it a few years back [05-Apr-25 08:52 PM] manhim#0000 @ everyone is usualy reserved for spammers [05-Apr-25 08:52 PM] manhim#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358258061474664621/image.png?ex=6814ce25&is=68137ca5&hm=43eb434788c5adba0f28101e38db9aa8c615419d8f56c8a50d30241795ec51c6& [05-Apr-25 08:52 PM] jvaler#0000 idk maybe. been this way as long as i can remember and i joined a while ago [05-Apr-25 09:19 PM] vanarazor#0000 Dude I am proud, I know it is not much but here it is: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358264873041133739/image.png?ex=6814d47d&is=681382fd&hm=c019060741bbc20e70ed3295cad8c1d0172bcc63ca910c4df1a9897c21e2f71f& {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ [05-Apr-25 09:22 PM] vanarazor#0000 but I think there are some wrong dates x) [05-Apr-25 09:22 PM] jvaler#0000 font crimes {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [05-Apr-25 09:22 PM] vanarazor#0000 I know!!!! I i need to find better ones [05-Apr-25 09:22 PM] jvaler#0000 lmao [05-Apr-25 09:27 PM] evov#0000 I would encourage you to look into the productivity hit you take when buildings start to degrade. Weigh that loss in productivity against the cost savings of using long duration repair cycles. [05-Apr-25 09:28 PM] vanarazor#0000 theses numbers come from prplan repairs value rate [05-Apr-25 09:28 PM] vanarazor#0000 I would not have a clue how to [05-Apr-25 09:28 PM] vanarazor#0000 how can you look at productivity loss depending on % integrity [05-Apr-25 09:29 PM] vanarazor#0000 I think someone has been sharing a paper about repairs cost efficiency [05-Apr-25 09:30 PM] vanarazor#0000 but I can't recall any correlation about producivity loss, there surely is one [05-Apr-25 09:34 PM] evov#0000 Example - Buildings at 56 days since last repair. Buildings at 97% condition. Translates into a 4% loss in productivity. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358268471506505748/image.png?ex=6814d7d7&is=68138657&hm=2d3df343b8c8e23576c6f819a791a978df94ec71ebdbc3e915035aa7afb8d41a& [05-Apr-25 09:37 PM] evov#0000 The condition degredation is non-linear. As time since last repair increases.. building condition/performance decreases at a faster rate. [05-Apr-25 09:38 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358269544522842192/image.png?ex=6814d8d6&is=68138756&hm=3534b41c019a51d9372a46a921932330cb96d3740f5328eb08dcc416c0064caa& [05-Apr-25 09:39 PM] vanarazor#0000 i can't understand why my ioneer efficiency is not at 100% [05-Apr-25 09:39 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358269907002720276/image.png?ex=6814d92d&is=681387ad&hm=92a822523e4172ed166228c13a0a5ad7445b129343d6b1dae9d1b2d12a6b0e59& [05-Apr-25 09:40 PM] evov#0000 Population efficiency is low because you require more pop than you have provided. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘†๐Ÿฝ [05-Apr-25 09:40 PM] evov#0000 Required 720 Pio - Capacity 700 [05-Apr-25 09:40 PM] vanarazor#0000 now I remmeber ๐Ÿ™‚ [05-Apr-25 09:41 PM] vanarazor#0000 so condition of the building defines directly efficiency [05-Apr-25 09:41 PM] evov#0000 You will notice that as the time since last repair increases.... the building will degrade faster. Which effectively increases the time per order. [05-Apr-25 09:41 PM] vanarazor#0000 so you are telling that some repairs could be worth doing even earlier than what prplan is advising [05-Apr-25 09:42 PM] vanarazor#0000 depending of the value produced by such building [05-Apr-25 09:42 PM] evov#0000 This time increase effectively means, per order, the cost component for repairs + consumables increase by x%, and the volume of orders decreases by x%. [05-Apr-25 09:44 PM] vanarazor#0000 in other words in cost as much to produce as less because of the efficiency loss due to %integrity / condition [05-Apr-25 09:44 PM] evov#0000 Instead of making 100 units per day, you make 96 units per day. Since consumables and repairs accumulate per day, not per order... each order is effectively costing you more. [05-Apr-25 09:45 PM] evov#0000 At low % degradation... it's not super important... but the degradation ramps up the longer you leave it. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘†๐Ÿฝ [05-Apr-25 09:49 PM] vanarazor#0000 thanks for bringing this up [05-Apr-25 09:49 PM] vanarazor#0000 I ll take it in consideration [05-Apr-25 09:49 PM] vanarazor#0000 of reducing theses repairs rate to a faster threshold [05-Apr-25 09:51 PM] evov#0000 I think that would be a good idea. Especially focus on the ones that you have set to >90 days. I would be... surprised.. if 120 days was an ideal repair cycle after considering the profit losses due to degradation. [05-Apr-25 10:00 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358275148188356740/image.png?ex=6814de0e&is=68138c8e&hm=9c8d18cccbd37a506148355d8887de3377ce8014fdef2dd8b9cf91bc6b732d87& [05-Apr-25 10:00 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358275193474121910/image.png?ex=6814de19&is=68138c99&hm=93f5f50b30ece2992762d49ed191a07c8dd7ff4cdd09383ca1e081bfabb4becb& [05-Apr-25 10:03 PM] vanarazor#0000 how is overall efficiency calculated ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358275840210763826/image.png?ex=6814deb3&is=68138d33&hm=c4e86a96d9f0c1b21516fbaca4836fd9a6012a60166fa199f55eed9377c559bb& [05-Apr-25 10:03 PM] tanda#0000 pretty good breakdown right there in your screenshot [05-Apr-25 10:04 PM] tanda#0000 looks like the final efficiency is shown rounded up, though. Experts do give fractional efficiency boosts too [05-Apr-25 10:05 PM] vanarazor#0000 is COGC 25% bonus ? [05-Apr-25 10:05 PM] vanarazor#0000 experts 12.48% bonus ? [05-Apr-25 10:05 PM] tanda#0000 yep! like stated on the breakdowns [05-Apr-25 10:06 PM] vanarazor#0000 building 99.9 % condition? [05-Apr-25 10:06 PM] vanarazor#0000 still does get to 140 % overall efficiency [05-Apr-25 10:06 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, there's a grace period before efficiency gets lost from building decay [05-Apr-25 10:07 PM] vanarazor#0000 even prplan has that 140.6 % {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358277019179421826/image.png?ex=6814dfcc&is=68138e4c&hm=7b8f749d28e1d4a08e668a85931c8eb866f146521194794bc7712b46ef46c16b& [05-Apr-25 10:09 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/jake-johnson-sad-face-not-happy-nope-not-okay-gif-27480875 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/jake-johnson-sad-face-not-happy-nope-not-okay-gif-27480875 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/kUC-OycAwuKxcjDA_96K9ifx5AW-w4QcFjlehs-uNRY/https/media.tenor.com/qdaOGxKcG7UAAAAe/jake-johnson-sad-face.png {Reactions} โ” โ“ [05-Apr-25 10:11 PM] manhim#0000 That's the right value for 3 experts [05-Apr-25 10:12 PM] vanarazor#0000 well (100% * (100%+25%) + 100% * (100%+12.48%))/2 != 140.6% [05-Apr-25 10:13 PM] tanda#0000 all % modifiers are additive [05-Apr-25 10:13 PM] tanda#0000 but at the same time, it is interesting. I wonder where the additional .12% is coming from [05-Apr-25 10:13 PM] manhim#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358278473419980951/image.png?ex=6814e127&is=68138fa7&hm=fe570d942b438751d4bf665386ed000062e8d47785375207badb075c7ce2cdba& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ โค๏ธ ๐Ÿ‘†๐Ÿฝ ๐ŸŒˆ [05-Apr-25 10:14 PM] vanarazor#0000 ohhh multiply each of them [05-Apr-25 10:14 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/friends-friends-tv-tv-friends-tvfriends-friendstv-gif-3182956978001474520 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/friends-friends-tv-tv-friends-tvfriends-friendstv-gif-3182956978001474520 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/jvIRwWwOaY3ANNy0Ox-jVx2fAuosYaevxx8BX2V9Iy4/https/media.tenor.com/LCwigekg89gAAAAe/friends-friends-tv.png [05-Apr-25 10:16 PM] getonthetrain#0000 In your opinion, what is the best construction planet in ANT space? [05-Apr-25 10:17 PM] tanda#0000 Nike, followed by Aceland {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [05-Apr-25 10:17 PM] tanda#0000 based entirely around location + available pops [05-Apr-25 10:17 PM] tanda#0000 third runner up would be Nike JR [05-Apr-25 10:33 PM] vanarazor#0000 @evov I see what you were saying : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358283416616833327/image.png?ex=6814e5c2&is=68139442&hm=52d280cbd21bbdbfdc7e13c4c4d36b9110261849910beccb116319d9ca97934a& [05-Apr-25 10:34 PM] vanarazor#0000 everything should be repaired at 45 days!!! ๐Ÿซ  ๐Ÿซ  ๐Ÿซ  ๐Ÿซ  [05-Apr-25 10:35 PM] vanarazor#0000 bah but overall I think you want to keep at least above 100 % overall efficiency [05-Apr-25 10:36 PM] tanda#0000 everything should be repaired at 60 days [05-Apr-25 10:36 PM] vanarazor#0000 so kept above 125% overall efficiency you reckon [05-Apr-25 10:36 PM] evov#0000 The degradation isn't linear. It starts off slow at first. [05-Apr-25 10:37 PM] vanarazor#0000 chat gpt says otherwise: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358284440094249282/image.png?ex=6814e6b6&is=68139536&hm=a4bee64ef69df46abb3e47a92f299397a45f6fd88b878da76b4dfe14db0a4f45& [05-Apr-25 10:37 PM] jab.sh#0000 in AA we suggest 90 days but of course you're welcome to repair sooner [05-Apr-25 10:37 PM] jab.sh#0000 it's not linear [05-Apr-25 10:38 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358284603449675786/image.png?ex=6814e6dd&is=6813955d&hm=63da3c9c0557424c5ef3c6164874879995303813e86f0cb5a54f2bfce5dc6dbc& [05-Apr-25 10:38 PM] tanda#0000 please stop using chatgpt as a source [05-Apr-25 10:38 PM] tanda#0000 here's the actual source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ELsfw4ii1hQFWDd-BL4JzwqHc-wGVXbJtvAeprv0pZ0 {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ELsfw4ii1hQFWDd-BL4JzwqHc-wGVXbJtvAeprv0pZ0 PrUn repair guide https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/yODS0XVPh5A97l9cd1u28_YNSE7W1q6KkcKTyiE9134/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyIlpQ_6SKA6TCq0WepScfFRJLO5F-XeXVYCejFXI98lcZPP-TziNhIDe_xampRdAEQWQRihGbLDiPyGTVyKK9qNHs-e9_klzFGoJJmoYhq1uh50SLdA%3Dw1200-h630-p [05-Apr-25 10:38 PM] vanarazor#0000 I just asked if it was sure : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358284716469522633/image.png?ex=6814e6f8&is=68139578&hm=dfa8a91a412eb7330cd2ec9d5a1a855822443f5feafef229cd597a98ce951b02& [05-Apr-25 10:38 PM] tanda#0000 This is work compiled by the community that shows the maths behind the thing [05-Apr-25 10:39 PM] jvaler#0000 you're not serious are you... chatgpt cannot be used as a factual source of information, large language models are just advanced predictive text generators [05-Apr-25 10:39 PM] vanarazor#0000 dude I swaer chat gpt is sowing corruption [05-Apr-25 10:39 PM] jvaler#0000 for your own sake please stop [05-Apr-25 10:39 PM] manhim#0000 And my job wants to replace programmers with it ๐Ÿ˜ญ (i work in infosec) [05-Apr-25 10:39 PM] vanarazor#0000 just have to check the sources it used [05-Apr-25 10:40 PM] evov#0000 Well, in a free market, your mistake is other people's gain. So... if you want to use chat GPT for tips and run with 120 day repair cycles.... go nuts ๐Ÿ™‚ Live your life and be happy I guess. [05-Apr-25 10:40 PM] vanarazor#0000 are Antarian against the use of LLM ? [05-Apr-25 10:41 PM] jvaler#0000 despite our electronics faction bonus, yes. [05-Apr-25 10:41 PM] sidepipe#0000 uniformly ๐Ÿ˜› [05-Apr-25 10:41 PM] manhim#0000 it's in the bylaws [05-Apr-25 10:41 PM] vanarazor#0000 I gotta say, I find i helpful, it is nnot always accurate but it does look for sources for me [05-Apr-25 10:42 PM] evov#0000 I would say, Antarians are pro- productive capacity. At least that's my view. [05-Apr-25 10:42 PM] vanarazor#0000 any who, where is that paper about bnuilding degradation ? [05-Apr-25 10:42 PM] vanarazor#0000 there it is [05-Apr-25 10:43 PM] jvaler#0000 also in #prun-resources [05-Apr-25 10:43 PM] vanarazor#0000 it was not chat gpt who was advising for 120 days repairs but prplan [05-Apr-25 10:44 PM] manhim#0000 Yeah, prplan only looks at the repair costs, not the loss of productivity {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [05-Apr-25 10:45 PM] manhim#0000 I repair all my bases at 45 or 60 days depending [05-Apr-25 10:46 PM] tanda#0000 I'm anti-misinformation [05-Apr-25 10:47 PM] tanda#0000 chatgpt can do good work, but you have to babysit it like a toddler [05-Apr-25 10:47 PM] tanda#0000 if you wouldn't trust a toddler to give you accurate information, why trust chatgpt [05-Apr-25 10:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 AI can be be correct or insightful but not both [05-Apr-25 10:48 PM] manhim#0000 Yeah, you kinda have to already know the information it gives you, which makes it slightly useless. Unless you just want to confirm something you forgot about and can remember. [05-Apr-25 10:48 PM] tanda#0000 ironically, this makes it great for coding for experienced programmers [05-Apr-25 10:48 PM] tanda#0000 but it can't replace anything [05-Apr-25 10:49 PM] manhim#0000 Eh, most templates that I have built myself are usually more usefull than AI [05-Apr-25 10:49 PM] evov#0000 I think there have been plenty of examples where AI solutions to problems have been both correct and novel / insightful. [05-Apr-25 10:50 PM] manhim#0000 It can be nice when starting something new though. But it's not always good at uniformity, which makes the maintainability worse [05-Apr-25 10:50 PM] vanarazor#0000 I might have light a fire [05-Apr-25 10:50 PM] vanarazor#0000 I apologize in advance for that [05-Apr-25 10:51 PM] vanarazor#0000 ๐Ÿ™‚ [05-Apr-25 10:51 PM] vanarazor#0000 but hey here it is {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358287909890822357/image.png?ex=6814e9f1&is=68139871&hm=aad3107ce467e49a0b81dbb8b4b739d879c59689dfe80f0caccd7858afe26e64& [05-Apr-25 10:52 PM] vanarazor#0000 I feel like I use chat gpt more than any other LLM and it basically sort out google researches better than me looking for it, it is way faster to get me information , now and then it's not accurate but most of the time it saved me time [05-Apr-25 10:53 PM] evov#0000 I think the issue is how verifiable the solutions are. When people use AI for answers to things they can't verrify... it's not an AI failure... it's just a people using tools incorrectly failure. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358288469360644166/image.png?ex=6814ea76&is=681398f6&hm=e82a8bc03effae025ef3b1b58e7584e554d3ba3c8fc4d39bf883eb8bb386a249& [05-Apr-25 10:53 PM] vanarazor#0000 not everyone can be an encyclopedia [05-Apr-25 10:55 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/childish-nose-pick-tools-drill-gif-19637827 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/childish-nose-pick-tools-drill-gif-19637827 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/3N5mzBj3aUD-j4w99xWB5U66uhfJ0Q-qlrrYX1HlaPc/https/media.tenor.com/ZqDJwH0DHE4AAAAe/childish-nose.png [05-Apr-25 11:03 PM] manhim#0000 Yup. Like something that I see is that AI has no real context of the whole code base, so sometimes it tries to implement/use new access controls systems (or an alternate one that works on the system, but is not used) that don't talk with the one that should be used and it leads to security gaps. It's technically not wrong code, but there's still a long way to go before it's viable in the hands of anyone without the proper expertise. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [05-Apr-25 11:05 PM] vanarazor#0000 60 days is scary : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358291514597572741/image.png?ex=6814ed4c&is=68139bcc&hm=055f0ab6c0cc2a689de5930e1ca78a66dd8a271ead7a8960216c3c3d170baf6e& [05-Apr-25 11:06 PM] vanarazor#0000 so if I understood well [05-Apr-25 11:06 PM] vanarazor#0000 the first time you repair a building there is a 7 days grace period [05-Apr-25 11:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I just take everything that GPT gives me with a grain of salt [05-Apr-25 11:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I do 90 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [05-Apr-25 11:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Or when I get to it [05-Apr-25 11:56 PM] potaterror#0000 I guess I'm weird. I repair at 42 and 56 days, with the rare 84. [06-Apr-25 12:08 AM] vanarazor#0000 i just wanted to familirize myself with excel [06-Apr-25 12:08 AM] vanarazor#0000 and I swear prplan was saying 45 days optimal repair time for boucher [06-Apr-25 12:08 AM] vanarazor#0000 now it says 135, what!! [06-Apr-25 12:08 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358307408467988520/image.png?ex=6814fc1a&is=6813aa9a&hm=d162ea1c93a556e5c9e8334469042e5a803cd78686e1e9aabec8fb10e7a08e15& [06-Apr-25 12:17 AM] realharvey#0000 I'd depends on current prices from repair mats and what the product sells for. So optimal repair windows can differ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ ๐Ÿ˜‚ [06-Apr-25 12:22 AM] vanarazor#0000 imp[ossible mission [06-Apr-25 12:25 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358311569389518950/image.png?ex=6814fffa&is=6813ae7a&hm=d837601abd10a404dca354ccad9322e89ee626f3cd32ad7e557409dd9a3edf7c& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (3) [06-Apr-25 12:32 AM] realharvey#0000 I do 90 days [06-Apr-25 12:32 AM] realharvey#0000 It's less workv๐Ÿ˜‚ [06-Apr-25 12:48 AM] vanarazor#0000 Dude some of theses re getting way too pensensive too!!! [06-Apr-25 12:49 AM] vanarazor#0000 yup that's way too much work!! But I learnt something today {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358317654049292419/image.png?ex=681505a5&is=6813b425&hm=da908ce72858912782f4d244fe6f33617824ee7bc1a29caadb2f51964b105635& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358317654330446015/image.png?ex=681505a5&is=6813b425&hm=88f789781a9b7733b45e1e27bc006ce8f3682b6c700dfbabb5893c0e52e9b630& [06-Apr-25 01:49 AM] laaxus#0000 Prunplanner does not take into account the profit loss [06-Apr-25 01:49 AM] potaterror#0000 Meanwhile I've not even gotten around to figuring out what my actual cumulative burn per day is on most stuff again. [06-Apr-25 01:50 AM] potaterror#0000 That's why I mostly stick to 42 or 56 days. [06-Apr-25 01:51 AM] potaterror#0000 Can't be bothered to fiddle with it and see what the actual optimal pick is, but the efficiency falloff grates on me every time I see it. [06-Apr-25 01:52 AM] laaxus#0000 For most base, it is 45 days [06-Apr-25 01:52 AM] laaxus#0000 And for every base 45 days isn't a Bad pick [06-Apr-25 01:52 AM] laaxus#0000 45 or a few days before ofc [06-Apr-25 01:52 AM] laaxus#0000 (source : trust me bro) [06-Apr-25 01:53 AM] potaterror#0000 Yeah, I see what the big tick points are in PrunPlanner and bump it back to the prior multiple of 7. [06-Apr-25 01:53 AM] potaterror#0000 If it isn't Saturday, IDGAF about repairs. {Reactions} โค๏ธ ๐Ÿ‘†๐Ÿฝ ๐Ÿ˜‚ [06-Apr-25 04:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 why is PG so light lmao [06-Apr-25 04:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 inputs are 250t a day, but output is 8.5t [06-Apr-25 09:01 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 @vanarazor willing to make a GAL base on KW-976c? [06-Apr-25 09:01 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 I will provide full time shipping [06-Apr-25 10:08 AM] rayjiff#0000 wait I just started and am new to the game, does the base degrade when there is no production too ?? [06-Apr-25 10:08 AM] rayjiff#0000 or am I missing something [06-Apr-25 10:10 AM] igfloz#0000 Only production buildings degrade. Your Core Module, storage and habitations do not [06-Apr-25 10:10 AM] igfloz#0000 ...I'm unsure if industry buildings degrade if there is no production queue (I think not, but haven't proven it) [06-Apr-25 10:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Yes, buildings will degrade over time regardless, if they produce something or not [06-Apr-25 10:16 AM] pxlfox.#0000 the same goes for workers - they will consume materials regardless if they produce something [06-Apr-25 10:16 AM] pxlfox.#0000 so a base not producing is basically loosing money [06-Apr-25 10:16 AM] igfloz#0000 I don't think that's right. I've had a base idle for some days and no burn mats were consumed [06-Apr-25 10:17 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm pretty sure it's mentioned in the handbook [06-Apr-25 10:18 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/index.html {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/index.html Efficiency factors :: Prosperous Universe Handbook General information Each Production Line operates at a certain efficiency when active. Efficiency dictates how long a production order takes to finish: lower efficiency results in longer production times, higher efficiency shortens them. A Production Lineโ€™s current efficiency can be looked up in its Production queue buffer (PRODQ): Building co... [06-Apr-25 10:18 AM] pxlfox.#0000 > Note: No production needs to be running for a population to be consuming resources! Idle workforces have the exact same needs as active ones and will still use up consumables in the baseโ€™s inventory. [06-Apr-25 10:19 AM] igfloz#0000 fair enough [06-Apr-25 10:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I just noticed, that Antares isn't listed in the starting factions in the handbook: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/packages-factions/index.html#factions {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/packages-factions/index.html Packages and factions :: Prosperous Universe Handbook This page will help you find a suitable combination of package, faction and starting location when first establishing your company. Following the advice below is especially vital if you are new to APEX. You best settle on a package first and then have a look at the different factions and the planets they control. Certain planets are better suite... [06-Apr-25 10:26 AM] igfloz#0000 I have a couple hours to wait - I've grabbed a burn image for Nike. I've cancelled all production for Nike, just have to wait for existing runs to stop - I'll post both burn results later (more for my own clarity really, but I'm sure nothing was burning when Nike was idle in the past) [06-Apr-25 10:27 AM] igfloz#0000 Nike is easy for me as I have so few lines running on it [06-Apr-25 10:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm not sure if a few hours are sufficient to test, if a base is deteriorating while it's idle: > The first full amount of any consumable required for the following 24 hours (e.g. 4 RAT for 100 Pioneers) is claimed by a baseโ€™s population (and thus disappears from the inventory) as soon as the commodity becomes available in the baseโ€™s inventory. The same happens again 24 hours later, again and again until the consumable is used up. [06-Apr-25 10:32 AM] igfloz#0000 I might wait a little longer then (maybe post tomorrow) - as I said, Nike "was idle" for maybe a week ? and I don't recall any loss of burn mats. I'm just experimenting [06-Apr-25 10:32 AM] igfloz#0000 Just for the record - this is Nike "running" {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358464469457703267/image.png?ex=6814e5a0&is=68139420&hm=38060e5a65e2d94293219d99b1a05e020f1e464b0ad349dcf8ae8b78526acfde& [06-Apr-25 10:33 AM] igfloz#0000 I have enough stock there if things go South , lol [06-Apr-25 01:17 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 idle as in no workforce? no workforce = no cons burn [06-Apr-25 01:17 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 but if you have workforce and idle production buildings then it does burn cons [06-Apr-25 01:18 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 they still need food, water, clothes, etc when you dont ask them to work ๐Ÿ˜„ [06-Apr-25 01:28 PM] laaxus#0000 How outrageous [06-Apr-25 01:46 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Gravy makes 17.233% of all FF [06-Apr-25 01:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 goodness he makes a lot [06-Apr-25 02:51 PM] igfloz#0000 Oh hell ! @pxlfox. I've just remembered ! @optimizedfunction made me think about it. I still had a workforce, but I had demolished my un-wanted production buildings. For about a week, I didn't lose any workforce and I didn't burn any mats [06-Apr-25 02:52 PM] igfloz#0000 I'm thinking if I left it longer, I would have lost workforce due to pop re-structure [06-Apr-25 02:54 PM] igfloz#0000 https://tenor.com/view/laika-missing-link-laika-studio-laika-studios-stop-motion-gif-20493977 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/laika-missing-link-laika-studio-laika-studios-stop-motion-gif-20493977 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/_sMs8KiHfXq8FkHKV-XWzmI3aaY5Xfd6g-ixFK4PCs8/https/media.tenor.com/1EyId-NnoJYAAAAe/laika-missing-link.png [06-Apr-25 05:42 PM] jcheung#0000 this is incorrect, habs and STOs degrade [06-Apr-25 05:43 PM] jcheung#0000 and apparently core as well {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358572747764269139/image.png?ex=6814a1b8&is=68135038&hm=b98c236f22789b5d53cef146d95dc99fd59ce3674b6702c14ae44033195e4784& [06-Apr-25 05:43 PM] jcheung#0000 they just don't have any negative effect when degraded [06-Apr-25 05:43 PM] getonthetrain#0000 yea, but it hardly matters since they do their jobs without ever needing repair [06-Apr-25 05:43 PM] jcheung#0000 it does matter in that the resources returned are different [06-Apr-25 05:44 PM] jcheung#0000 not having negative production effects and not degrading are similar, but not the same [06-Apr-25 05:44 PM] getonthetrain#0000 until that point though, it doesn't [06-Apr-25 05:44 PM] getonthetrain#0000 if that point ever needs to come in the first place [06-Apr-25 05:44 PM] jcheung#0000 right, again, similar but not the same {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [06-Apr-25 05:45 PM] jcheung#0000 i had to account for that two months ago when i redesigned a base (habs altered) and decomissioned another two [06-Apr-25 06:10 PM] potaterror#0000 Rakkzi just nuked the MOR MEA market again. [06-Apr-25 06:10 PM] potaterror#0000 Kind of funny given that I've got over 800 units about an hour out, so that's probably not gonna work out real well. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [06-Apr-25 06:12 PM] tanda#0000 man, Rakkzi targets some of the dumber things out there [06-Apr-25 06:13 PM] potaterror#0000 I don't see how this is going to result in anything but a loss. [06-Apr-25 07:09 PM] jcheung#0000 list like 200 at a time [06-Apr-25 07:19 PM] potaterror#0000 I'll have another 1K in flight as soon as I can pick it up. [06-Apr-25 07:20 PM] potaterror#0000 There's enough volume that even if I get bought out I'm pretty sure nothing is going to move at the price points Rakkzi is trying to set. [06-Apr-25 07:23 PM] tanda#0000 people will buy from other markets and ship it in before they buy Rakkzi's pricepoints [06-Apr-25 07:23 PM] tanda#0000 honestly, Rakkzi might just be acting out against how bad the focus on IDC has gotten in this game {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [06-Apr-25 07:24 PM] potaterror#0000 That's what I'd expect, yeah. Pretty sure the only person to have bought any serious quantity over 10K is Rakk. [06-Apr-25 07:24 PM] potaterror#0000 Could be. Bit weird to do it without vocalizing it, but maybe I just missed that. [06-Apr-25 09:11 PM] spinydeath#0000 Hey guys a what percentage should i repair my ships so i dont waste money [06-Apr-25 09:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 80% - ships don't start slowing down until that point, so there's no reason to repair until then [06-Apr-25 09:12 PM] spinydeath#0000 Cool thank you sidepipe [06-Apr-25 10:53 PM] spinydeath#0000 Anybody know the general cost to buy a whole new ship. Thinking of making a third base and want a ship just for it. [06-Apr-25 10:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 4-5 mil [06-Apr-25 10:54 PM] spinydeath#0000 Damn okay maybe in a month then. I make about 1.5 mil a week from my HER base {Reactions} danceboi (2) [06-Apr-25 10:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 you could take out a loan? [06-Apr-25 10:55 PM] spinydeath#0000 Its a big amount i dont want to make anybody take that risk really unless they are comfortable [06-Apr-25 10:55 PM] spinydeath#0000 Do you think a CL base is worth a 5 mil loan [06-Apr-25 10:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 :RSZeroShrugIDK: {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [06-Apr-25 10:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 there are some people who do loans that would loan that amount [06-Apr-25 10:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 you can find their offerings in UFO [06-Apr-25 10:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but I can't tell you if the risk is worth it [06-Apr-25 10:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 CL does do well tho [06-Apr-25 10:57 PM] spinydeath#0000 Yeah thats what i noticed [06-Apr-25 10:57 PM] spinydeath#0000 Imma checkout UFO and see if i can get one [06-Apr-25 10:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 any I dont think the ship would be totally tied to your new base [06-Apr-25 10:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so its not all for a new base yk [06-Apr-25 10:59 PM] spinydeath#0000 Yeah i see what you are saying. [06-Apr-25 10:59 PM] spinydeath#0000 As long as im making money im happy {Reactions} danceboi [06-Apr-25 10:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 this would be your 4th? 5th? base [06-Apr-25 11:01 PM] tanda#0000 Make sure you upgrade your ships first if you haven't already! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [06-Apr-25 11:01 PM] tanda#0000 it doubles your shipping capacity on that ship [06-Apr-25 11:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You *can* get a loan for that here [06-Apr-25 11:02 PM] tanda#0000 being quite honest, if you have one ship over in ANT full time, you just need to upgrade it to be able to support the CL base [06-Apr-25 11:03 PM] tanda#0000 HER bases are such low shippin overhead it's silly [06-Apr-25 11:04 PM] spinydeath#0000 3rd base @.urpalhal {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก danceboi [06-Apr-25 11:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 to echo Tanda [06-Apr-25 11:05 PM] spinydeath#0000 What is the difference between an LCB ship and a WCB ship? [06-Apr-25 11:05 PM] spinydeath#0000 And i was going to save up so i dont need a loand [06-Apr-25 11:05 PM] spinydeath#0000 loan [06-Apr-25 11:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 the LCB is 2000 t 2000 m3 [06-Apr-25 11:05 PM] spinydeath#0000 I make money fast now so it should be fine [06-Apr-25 11:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 the WCB is 3000 t 1000 m3 [06-Apr-25 11:05 PM] spinydeath#0000 thank you [06-Apr-25 11:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 the WCB is a very simple upgrade to the starter ship [06-Apr-25 11:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 thats why it is recomended [06-Apr-25 11:06 PM] tanda#0000 It's like ~1.2mil or so, vs something like 6mil for a new ship {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [06-Apr-25 11:06 PM] spinydeath#0000 Okay nice. Would i be able to get the materials in hortus as well if not its cool i can find another guy over there i just want to upgrade both ships. [06-Apr-25 11:07 PM] jab.sh#0000 is anyone doing HCB or should I just try my luck at the CX? [06-Apr-25 11:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 wym? [06-Apr-25 11:07 PM] jab.sh#0000 like is anyone selling HCB ships [06-Apr-25 11:07 PM] tanda#0000 no, the PSK project doesn't care where it's going. You can get two kits, one for each ship [06-Apr-25 11:08 PM] tanda#0000 full ships would just be EvoV [06-Apr-25 11:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 my one LCB isn't enough, I'm thinking about upgrading it to an HCB [06-Apr-25 11:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 EvoV has and then I think Archiel had some for OOG shipbuilding [06-Apr-25 11:08 PM] tanda#0000 honestly, the HCB itself is a lot of a cash, you might as well pay a bit more and get the whole ship [06-Apr-25 11:09 PM] spinydeath#0000 @tanda Would i just have to fly to antares to pick up the materials then fly back or do they have supply in hortus [06-Apr-25 11:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 I have an LCB dedicated for ANT <-> Boucher, but it's insufficient [06-Apr-25 11:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 what's the upgrade for that look like? [06-Apr-25 11:10 PM] jab.sh#0000 you'll want to work with #psk-operations [06-Apr-25 11:10 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah idk I haven't made the BP yet ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [06-Apr-25 11:10 PM] tanda#0000 It requires a CQL so you're shelling out for that for sure too [06-Apr-25 11:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have *a* HCB............. [06-Apr-25 11:12 PM] jab.sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358655679107305634/screenshot_20250406221228.png?ex=6814eef4&is=68139d74&hm=bfc78df6ab1a77ed65e7e3ed096799644096736540a666a5b1f97dffa23cc439& [06-Apr-25 11:15 PM] jab.sh#0000 your point is I'd lose out on the money spent for the CQM and LCB so an upgrade doesn't really make sense? [06-Apr-25 11:16 PM] tanda#0000 yessir [06-Apr-25 11:16 PM] tanda#0000 LCB and CQM are both about 1mil each, that does need to be considered [06-Apr-25 11:17 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah that makes sense. [07-Apr-25 12:10 AM] vanarazor#0000 what's up with the FTL spd [07-Apr-25 12:12 AM] vanarazor#0000 at 66% it takes me 15 hours to reach destination, I put 100% i reach in 14hours, I move it back to 66%, all of the suddden I am at 11h .... If keep playing the FTL lotto somwhow I consume less and I go faster ... [07-Apr-25 12:12 AM] vanarazor#0000 I reckon they could update the flight pathing so we can see details [07-Apr-25 12:12 AM] .urpalhal#0000 thats a known bug [07-Apr-25 12:13 AM] vanarazor#0000 now Im scared to touch it [07-Apr-25 12:13 AM] vanarazor#0000 I might never find the right combination again [07-Apr-25 12:13 AM] .urpalhal#0000 it has two states it alternates at each stl ftl combo [07-Apr-25 12:14 AM] .urpalhal#0000 if you click the sliders long enough without moving them you'll be able to swap between the two [07-Apr-25 01:07 AM] jab.sh#0000 planets move too so it's constantly adjusting the time [07-Apr-25 01:16 AM] evov#0000 Upgrading an LCB to a HCB seems odd. I don't think it returns the replaced parts back to you does it? Just keep the LCB, and ADD a HCB to your fleet when you can afford it imo. My stock availability as at a few days ago - {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358686769096298657/image.png?ex=68150be8&is=6813ba68&hm=9ee4702a661dbae5bce2919af35674211841b0d77cf97d00bbe44b6f9a645c6f& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Apr-25 01:46 AM] vanarazor#0000 this guy really reduced his empire ! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358694416914714664/image.png?ex=68151308&is=6813c188&hm=f476faf25804be274ec985fdd55db572943e8c42d737fa11b2e50454c24e7f01& [07-Apr-25 01:51 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok? [07-Apr-25 01:51 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ve never heard of them [07-Apr-25 01:51 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Well thatโ€™s a half lie [07-Apr-25 01:52 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I was on iy-816d and I wanted to see the others and heโ€™s getting water from there [07-Apr-25 02:33 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Uuuh, we got the new bundles. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™ƒ [07-Apr-25 02:36 AM] jab.sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358707057406247025/Screenshot_20250407-013631.png?ex=6814760e&is=6813248e&hm=36953f98377511e4a8840abbc37fa614f058ceb28c6553c07210b711e3a5e620& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358707057892528148/Screenshot_20250407-013635.png?ex=6814760e&is=6813248e&hm=897c7e685155d6c4d5552440eed38fcc47b24c1e8e304eae0dea235aa713fc65& [07-Apr-25 02:37 AM] pxlfox.#0000 maybe some caching problem? [07-Apr-25 02:38 AM] jab.sh#0000 yeah a refresh fixed it [07-Apr-25 02:40 AM] jab.sh#0000 huh it's showing an average price of 8,102.35 [07-Apr-25 03:00 AM] jcheung#0000 oh shit is that out now? [07-Apr-25 03:00 AM] jcheung#0000 hmmm [07-Apr-25 03:00 AM] jcheung#0000 do bundles only offer convienence or do they also package better [07-Apr-25 03:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 They package slightly better, if I remember molps post in the forums correctly [07-Apr-25 03:35 AM] realharvey#0000 it was worse in the first itteration. But they adjusted the values, not sure if its still more heavy/bulky or not. In the first preview it was more bulky+heavy [07-Apr-25 03:49 AM] jcheung#0000 fuck that [07-Apr-25 03:50 AM] jcheung#0000 there would be no reason to use it if it both required fab time and was worse [07-Apr-25 03:57 AM] realharvey#0000 ร dont know... there might be people chasing that industry and buy stuff on the CX package it and resell it for a profit [07-Apr-25 03:57 AM] realharvey#0000 and lazy people will buy it [07-Apr-25 03:58 AM] realharvey#0000 I am lazy I pay more for convinience [07-Apr-25 04:05 AM] jcheung#0000 convenience, yes. but if it takes more room to ship after being processed again, then absolutely not worth it [07-Apr-25 04:39 AM] realharvey#0000 its still just 1 item you put X Amount of in your ship instead at least 5 items with different X amounts you have to keep in mind [07-Apr-25 04:40 AM] realharvey#0000 If I'd produce a lot of consumables I would have considered creating my own Shipping HUB [07-Apr-25 04:44 AM] evov#0000 I think it makes things like contracting Consume supply runs more viable. I think LM adds for consumables start to make sense. I think it will make more sense if/when they put in shopfronts. But as it is... I'm not rushing out to put down a new Manufacturing base. But we'll see how it goes. [07-Apr-25 06:10 AM] tanda#0000 I could definitely be convinced to be a purchaser of these packages, but I'm in the same boat about not rushing to put a Manufacturing base down for it [07-Apr-25 08:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 what should I do about the electronica population issue (big lack of SETs) ? I havent seen any action by the goverment at all, and the number of open jobs will likely only rise while immigration/education all gets turned straight into TECs [07-Apr-25 08:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 im loosing quite alot of money so I am a little annoyed [07-Apr-25 08:12 AM] realharvey#0000 Well there was no issue before multiple bases where plopped down and added 2000 open Set jobs. So this is no ongoing issue... yet. [07-Apr-25 08:12 AM] realharvey#0000 Gov should queue up atleast one programm to deal with this and they have 4 more days to deal with it. [07-Apr-25 08:17 AM] realharvey#0000 Hey @archielvahr , could you maybe give martinc1194 a nudge that Electronica needs a little push for the next POPR? [07-Apr-25 08:17 AM] pagy1234#0000 I hope they do cuz iv alr lost probably 150k+ ๐Ÿ˜” [07-Apr-25 08:20 AM] realharvey#0000 you should get used to this. It's not always easy to deal with Population shortages. When multiple people plot down bases at the same time on a planet there is not much you can do. Not even programms will fix all your issues [07-Apr-25 08:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 D: [07-Apr-25 08:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah I guess [07-Apr-25 08:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 I have just had a couple of good planet in a row I guess [07-Apr-25 08:21 AM] realharvey#0000 my last 3 bases required 4-5 POPR's to get full pop [07-Apr-25 08:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 bro wth [07-Apr-25 08:22 AM] realharvey#0000 and with them being techs and engineers the loss in revenue is way higher {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Apr-25 08:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 the most recent base I just put down didnt even need to wait for POPR because there was so much unemployment that it instantly got filled lol [07-Apr-25 08:23 AM] realharvey#0000 yeah on big planets it is often pretty easy. PIO is always never a problem. One POPR usually gets you full pop [07-Apr-25 08:23 AM] realharvey#0000 SET takes on average 1-2 maybe 3 for full [07-Apr-25 08:24 AM] realharvey#0000 but that is very dependend on how many Open Jobs and how big that planet is [07-Apr-25 08:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 electronica is decently big I thought [07-Apr-25 08:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 but there are now ~2k open jobs, with about 700 being mine [07-Apr-25 08:28 AM] laaxus#0000 it is [07-Apr-25 08:31 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah thats why im wondering why its taking such a while to fill pop [07-Apr-25 08:31 AM] pagy1234#0000 maybe im just not used to it [07-Apr-25 08:32 AM] realharvey#0000 2k open Jobs is quite a lot. More than 2 Bases. That will take 2-3 POPR's to be fully filled [07-Apr-25 08:55 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 well, 2k SET is just 6.66% of total current SET pop so it should take like 1 POPR if the happiness is pumped to 82% [07-Apr-25 08:56 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 but I imagine its hard to do that on a big planet like electronica [07-Apr-25 09:11 AM] archielvahr#0000 Yep I pinged him. I think a Festival 3 will get us about 5k more settlers in the next POPI so it'll cover the deficit entirely [07-Apr-25 09:12 AM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah if you notice a planet is gonna be short and you are building a big base, try to hit up the governor or an OOG member who is an MP on the planet. @martin1194 is an MP and he is in ADI also [07-Apr-25 09:36 AM] pagy1234#0000 i left a couple messages on the planet chat, but probably those arnt looked at too often [07-Apr-25 09:37 AM] archielvahr#0000 Ahh yeah, I always ping people in discord, hehe [07-Apr-25 09:37 AM] archielvahr#0000 COM is tough for me to manage [07-Apr-25 09:37 AM] pxlfox.#0000 To be fair, you arenโ€™t losing money, just not making as much profit as it could be ๐Ÿ˜… [07-Apr-25 09:40 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah fair, but compared to what I was expecting to be making, I am loosing money {Reactions} true [07-Apr-25 09:53 AM] realharvey#0000 thank you very much! [07-Apr-25 09:53 AM] realharvey#0000 Sorry for using you as my go to OOG Person when there is something that needs attention in OOG gov {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [07-Apr-25 09:55 AM] sidepipe#0000 to be fair, he's the go-to OOG person for OOG people too ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} true (2) [07-Apr-25 09:57 AM] jab.sh#0000 huh so they fixed packages to be smaller now? [07-Apr-25 09:58 AM] sidepipe#0000 yup, slightly smaller and no PSS for the PIO bundles [07-Apr-25 09:58 AM] jab.sh#0000 that's something I guess [07-Apr-25 09:58 AM] sidepipe#0000 and SET too! [07-Apr-25 09:58 AM] sidepipe#0000 I'm kinda looking forward to trying them ๐Ÿ™‚ [07-Apr-25 09:59 AM] jab.sh#0000 I'll be curious to watch the market [07-Apr-25 10:00 AM] jab.sh#0000 I think I'll add a tab to my sheet to calculate the overhead people are selling packages for [07-Apr-25 10:00 AM] jab.sh#0000 I don't know that I'll use them myself but it should be fun to watch [07-Apr-25 10:01 AM] sidepipe#0000 I'm already planning on committing package arbitrage where possible ๐Ÿ˜› {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [07-Apr-25 10:12 AM] laaxus#0000 does anyone know if the MTP production has increased [07-Apr-25 10:13 AM] sidepipe#0000 think it definitely has, just based on TEC demand on norwick alone [07-Apr-25 10:14 AM] laaxus#0000 the question is : did it increase enough [07-Apr-25 10:14 AM] sidepipe#0000 give it some time - seems like norwick and maybe other FP planets are having POPI issues, so they may not be running at 100% [07-Apr-25 10:15 AM] laaxus#0000 I have 30 days worth of stock of mea [07-Apr-25 10:15 AM] laaxus#0000 so I'm not that afraid [07-Apr-25 10:16 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm just considering diving in the mea market for a quick buck [07-Apr-25 10:16 AM] laaxus#0000 https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTFhMTdkZTEzczA2bmR6a2ZoMG9yZjMxaWtuZTN6Yjk0NXZxNDI4anhzYWU4eDVsaiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3JhbmRvbSZjdD1n/fnlXXGImVWB0RYWWQj/giphy.webp {Embed} https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTFhMTdkZTEzczA2bmR6a2ZoMG9yZjMxaWtuZTN6Yjk0NXZxNDI4anhzYWU4eDVsaiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3JhbmRvbSZjdD1n/fnlXXGImVWB0RYWWQj/giphy.webp https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/jFoO5oqi0ZKaEPMZv5KArEiNz_yuNhFzsfkiGBu0AXo/https/media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTFhMTdkZTEzczA2bmR6a2ZoMG9yZjMxaWtuZTN6Yjk0NXZxNDI4anhzYWU4eDVsaiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3JhbmRvbSZjdD1n/fnlXXGImVWB0RYWWQj/giphy.webp [07-Apr-25 10:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 im already in by about 400k, but tbf that doesnt buy me much in MEA [07-Apr-25 10:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 just about 40 MEA lol [07-Apr-25 10:44 AM] laaxus#0000 it's not about speculation, but production [07-Apr-25 10:44 AM] pagy1234#0000 ohh, yeah im speculating tho [07-Apr-25 10:44 AM] pagy1234#0000 its a bit cheaper, and the returns arnt as good, but I like it [07-Apr-25 10:44 AM] pagy1234#0000 :D [07-Apr-25 10:55 AM] finestone#0000 Ad: Origo has pops of all kinds available for work put your next base here! :antares_initiative: {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [07-Apr-25 11:27 AM] potaterror#0000 Somewhat, and it's in the process of increasing -- I'm pumping TECs on AJ-293a because someone's plopping down an IVP farm there, and I imagine it isn't the only place. [07-Apr-25 11:28 AM] potaterror#0000 Not sure how much if any of that will ever go direct to market though, I imagine most will get rolled into MEA directly. [07-Apr-25 12:00 PM] martin1194#0000 Thank you for ping me at Ooga server. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Apr-25 12:06 PM] jab.sh#0000 [07-Apr-25 12:06 PM] jab.sh#0000 and added [07-Apr-25 12:10 PM] martin1194#0000 Nah, not the fault from caskman. [07-Apr-25 12:11 PM] martin1194#0000 All basic stuff is not profit. That make no one wanna produce them any more. Same situation in RAT too. [07-Apr-25 12:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Woah they exist {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358856133397188729/image.png?ex=681500e4&is=6813af64&hm=31cde7949a7db7f0801d93d8c3d61780c68958c7b0a8666f0001718f203c3d22& [07-Apr-25 01:07 PM] pagy1234#0000 finally, triple digits :D {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358865871199666349/Screenshot_2025-04-08_at_2.06.34_AM.png?ex=681509f6&is=6813b876&hm=ee71f736e69c104224b4d3d54fd769048e91355b6d3078f2138630262afe35f6& {Reactions} danceboi (5) ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [07-Apr-25 03:01 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 *deploys 8 EEPs and destroys SCI free population* {Reactions} indanger [07-Apr-25 04:21 PM] harucyber#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358914702435942551/image.png?ex=68148eb0&is=68133d30&hm=03f5b82b37d43ce83ffce8f86ccc28089ee10ca48eced01d22381a3a67f49ce2& [07-Apr-25 04:22 PM] harucyber#0000 would it be worth selling agraculture ingredients? [07-Apr-25 04:22 PM] harucyber#0000 or should i process into rations [07-Apr-25 04:23 PM] laaxus#0000 Start with producing her [07-Apr-25 04:25 PM] laaxus#0000 Her is really profitable atm [07-Apr-25 04:25 PM] laaxus#0000 So just produce that, sell it on the cx, repeat [07-Apr-25 04:25 PM] laaxus#0000 Later, you could refine it into fim [07-Apr-25 04:26 PM] laaxus#0000 Tho, not at the start [07-Apr-25 04:26 PM] laaxus#0000 You should build a full 500 base first [07-Apr-25 04:28 PM] laaxus#0000 Ah wait [07-Apr-25 04:28 PM] laaxus#0000 You don't have basic, don't you [07-Apr-25 04:28 PM] laaxus#0000 So we can't give you capital in any form [07-Apr-25 04:29 PM] laaxus#0000 Her, while the most profitable, is the most expensive [07-Apr-25 04:29 PM] laaxus#0000 So you might not have enough capital to buy the input good [07-Apr-25 04:30 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm going to sleep, but maybe someone else Can help you figure that Math out [07-Apr-25 04:56 PM] harucyber#0000 oh you need to pay for 1 month for that right ? [07-Apr-25 04:56 PM] harucyber#0000 so u need basic tier if i'm understanding this right? [07-Apr-25 04:57 PM] harucyber#0000 i might just sell agricultural products rn to get some start capital [07-Apr-25 04:57 PM] harucyber#0000 I need DDT tho [07-Apr-25 04:58 PM] harucyber#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358924040441430187/image.png?ex=68149762&is=681345e2&hm=90618707689d56952a8a52b59137ae6f4509322cf6bb777785ce68b2c3488e18& [07-Apr-25 04:59 PM] harucyber#0000 I could buy some with my starting capital [07-Apr-25 05:25 PM] vanarazor#0000 DDT is expensive right now [07-Apr-25 05:25 PM] vanarazor#0000 But ddt base is expensive as well [07-Apr-25 05:26 PM] vanarazor#0000 Build some capital and as soon as you can a Her base and letโ€™s say 5-10 days of mats including DDT, go for it!! [07-Apr-25 05:26 PM] vanarazor#0000 Hopefully someone else can counterpoint my counsel and give you even better advice [07-Apr-25 06:29 PM] harucyber#0000 so like save up like 10-20 DDT worth so like 90k AIC [07-Apr-25 06:29 PM] harucyber#0000 so i'll just sell rations and vegetables rn to get there ig ๐Ÿ™ prob going to do some transport missions to work up some capital while i'm waiting [07-Apr-25 07:51 PM] antisyntax#0000 ugh...i love trying to calculate risks on data that doesn't exist yet because its brand new (bundles) [07-Apr-25 07:52 PM] antisyntax#0000 i have no idea what prices to set, if its worth it, if the demand will be high enough, or if i'll lose a boatload of money [07-Apr-25 07:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 imma let you know now that I'm not touching bundles [07-Apr-25 07:52 PM] antisyntax#0000 oh? [07-Apr-25 07:52 PM] antisyntax#0000 y? [07-Apr-25 07:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 they cost more, and take up more space [07-Apr-25 07:52 PM] tanda#0000 none of the big players will, I think [07-Apr-25 07:52 PM] antisyntax#0000 they take up less space [07-Apr-25 07:52 PM] antisyntax#0000 sure there is a markup imposed by whoever packages them, so it will cost more [07-Apr-25 07:53 PM] tanda#0000 current incarnation leaves the tonnage the same, but they are smaller m3, right? {Reactions} RSZeroShrugIDK [07-Apr-25 07:53 PM] antisyntax#0000 pioneer on left, settler on right {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358967952933912606/image.png?ex=6814c048&is=68136ec8&hm=7b394d1574ffdfcd8228ade69a4519b8db96faf5d427012f9e61523545e93886& [07-Apr-25 07:53 PM] antisyntax#0000 not much less weight, but some [07-Apr-25 07:53 PM] antisyntax#0000 and it makes it convient. not sure if i can make a good enough profit off it though [07-Apr-25 07:53 PM] tanda#0000 but I can tell you I won't bother with them because I don't want another support base {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Apr-25 07:54 PM] tanda#0000 I only make PIO mats internally. 100% not worth it to package those up to redistribute them [07-Apr-25 07:54 PM] tanda#0000 it's just a shipping hassle [07-Apr-25 07:54 PM] antisyntax#0000 problem is to mark it up enough to make a fair profit and upkeep consumption and repairs, i mean... a whole base and permit, [07-Apr-25 07:55 PM] antisyntax#0000 if i were to do a ~17-21% profit margin, we're looking at ~8m/mo [07-Apr-25 07:55 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, it's going to be rough going for people for a while [07-Apr-25 07:55 PM] antisyntax#0000 though i'm not sure repair costs [07-Apr-25 07:55 PM] antisyntax#0000 i mean i feel like the convience factor will be worth more to players than the space saving [07-Apr-25 07:55 PM] antisyntax#0000 the big-wigs will like space saving, the small players will like ease-of-use [07-Apr-25 07:56 PM] tanda#0000 well the problem is that most of the big players (except for Copious and EvoV) use xit act to move supplies {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Apr-25 07:56 PM] antisyntax#0000 basically what i have here is 10 packagers on a 1-permit base. i have 7 STOs because i need a ton of space for all the suuplies {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358968692498760011/image.png?ex=6814c0f8&is=68136f78&hm=7f0931b34dd904e8f80757a5afc6553df29e91104a54ce6c4f0d6be313cec0cc& [07-Apr-25 07:56 PM] tanda#0000 so touching one vs touching 10 things, it's all the same to most [07-Apr-25 07:56 PM] antisyntax#0000 but basically 40k storage will mean ~45 days of burn [07-Apr-25 07:56 PM] antisyntax#0000 ah crap, didn't think of that lol [07-Apr-25 07:57 PM] antisyntax#0000 i'm sure it will be tweaked a bit later because i doubt the devs will buff it if it doesn't go well [07-Apr-25 07:57 PM] tanda#0000 I think there's definitely a niche they could fit into it, but their role is kinda ....rough [07-Apr-25 07:57 PM] antisyntax#0000 so might as well have the infra on it and get on the bandwagon early, right? [07-Apr-25 07:57 PM] tanda#0000 consumables aren't a big enough of my shipping bandwidth to be a real issue, so space/weight saving is kinda wasted {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [07-Apr-25 07:58 PM] antisyntax#0000 also problem is i'm buying consumables from CX and not producing them myself, so my margins are very small [07-Apr-25 07:58 PM] tanda#0000 I don't use xit act right now though, so I'm waiting to see if the Packs are cheap enough to feel worth it [07-Apr-25 07:58 PM] antisyntax#0000 and even so, most people would rather just buy the consumables rather than pay 20% more [07-Apr-25 07:58 PM] antisyntax#0000 don't know if 9% space saving and ease-of-use is worth a solid 5k-10k AIC more / unit [07-Apr-25 07:59 PM] antisyntax#0000 well, it was fun doing the math i guess [07-Apr-25 07:59 PM] tanda#0000 might be worth it to drop a base of PACs and a base of CHPs [07-Apr-25 07:59 PM] tanda#0000 and just have the CHPs there to support the PACs [07-Apr-25 08:00 PM] antisyntax#0000 CHPs? why? [07-Apr-25 08:01 PM] tanda#0000 they're guaranteed to be profitable. CL isn't getting any cheaper [07-Apr-25 08:01 PM] antisyntax#0000 ah [07-Apr-25 08:01 PM] tanda#0000 it would help defray the cost of the PACs if that base doesn't do well [07-Apr-25 08:04 PM] antisyntax#0000 oh damn [07-Apr-25 08:04 PM] antisyntax#0000 just realized it would take all my liquid assets to supply the PACs with 1 days worth of work [07-Apr-25 08:04 PM] antisyntax#0000 its roughly a mil / day [07-Apr-25 08:04 PM] antisyntax#0000 and that's assuming i can sell the product [07-Apr-25 08:04 PM] antisyntax#0000 so i'll need TONS of liquid assets on a risky endevour [07-Apr-25 08:05 PM] tanda#0000 start with 3 PACs? and maybe run SET/TEC supplies [07-Apr-25 08:05 PM] tanda#0000 I did some numbers a while back and 3 PACs can supply my whole empire for PIO [07-Apr-25 08:06 PM] tanda#0000 but honestly: I think the profit for PACs is going to be like fuel. You need to own the whole supply chain to really make some numbers {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Apr-25 08:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358975592099479742/image.png?ex=6814c765&is=681375e5&hm=b0155bb429084b29f20337b7227705222c66b88c4ad29d1dc1b12564cb6eca45& [07-Apr-25 08:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I went and did all 5 [07-Apr-25 08:24 PM] tanda#0000 these numbers have no logic [07-Apr-25 08:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 the percentages are how much unpacked goods are bigger [07-Apr-25 08:24 PM] tanda#0000 this is the revised version? what are they thinking [07-Apr-25 08:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 This is what is in the game right now [07-Apr-25 08:24 PM] antisyntax#0000 you got this, right? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358975866805293237/image.png?ex=6814c7a7&is=68137627&hm=3958fe5a3649c8f5c55455461339c3fd7fcd4dd9710cddd32914619bc6b707ec& [07-Apr-25 08:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358975932794278030/image.png?ex=6814c7b6&is=68137636&hm=742b6ea9651404cd8934b16d8c7461a64ce10b18de0da10b79bc28cc6bc94a07& [07-Apr-25 08:25 PM] antisyntax#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1358975942608818196/image.png?ex=6814c7b9&is=68137639&hm=928270f26446842e84f554b5ced9c3bed1b21158daff499ca13e477c29eac616& [07-Apr-25 08:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I neglected PSS and PE [07-Apr-25 08:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 didn't think it was needed [07-Apr-25 08:25 PM] tanda#0000 those are packaging and not refunded {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [07-Apr-25 08:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 anywho the weight and space savings seem negible [07-Apr-25 08:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 it looks like they just rounded down to the nearest whole number [07-Apr-25 08:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 do you want me to send you my sheet? [07-Apr-25 08:34 PM] antisyntax#0000 nah im good. i've been mathing for a while i need a break [07-Apr-25 08:34 PM] antisyntax#0000 i recently discovered Valheim mods, so i'm going to play that a bit {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [07-Apr-25 08:34 PM] antisyntax#0000 ty though [07-Apr-25 08:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 you're welcome [07-Apr-25 11:52 PM] jab.sh#0000 if it helps, these are the minimum prices you probably want (the raw price) ๐Ÿ˜› {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1359028002918371509/screenshot_20250407225152.png?ex=6814f835&is=6813a6b5&hm=a333329b9c0ab33b5f1215d4d2f5ad37b7f9860962c8e46ba068b28f754b6366& [08-Apr-25 12:00 AM] pagy1234#0000 is there any way to hide the production fee from `FIN`? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1359030227577339954/Screenshot_2025-04-08_at_1.00.28_PM.png?ex=6814fa47&is=6813a8c7&hm=9ddb3fbd688b24b849c7806ae985deaef24b1e4f80203110973b1f400220173f& [08-Apr-25 12:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 every ~4h my H2O base not only pumps out H2O, but also 53 of these production fee things, it just clogs up my entire screen so if theres a way to get rid of it, il do it :D [08-Apr-25 12:02 AM] jab.sh#0000 I just don't use FIN that much [08-Apr-25 12:03 AM] jab.sh#0000 xit finpr or xit finbs or xit fin [08-Apr-25 12:03 AM] realharvey#0000 Best thing is to avoid non RPRUN FIN features {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (3) [08-Apr-25 12:31 AM] pagy1234#0000 lol [08-Apr-25 12:31 AM] pagy1234#0000 ok [08-Apr-25 01:05 AM] vanarazor#0000 _**Hypothetically**_ if someone were to set a request $161 and a offers just under AIMM at $165 (_no I'm not talking about **RAT.AI1**_) he could virtually keep the price there undefinitely, right ? [08-Apr-25 01:06 AM] vanarazor#0000 he would make $4 profit undefinitely [08-Apr-25 01:06 AM] vanarazor#0000 what breaks the cycle ? [08-Apr-25 01:10 AM] .urpalhal#0000 People buy up everything that is offered and the price increases and his ask offer gets buried [08-Apr-25 01:10 AM] .urpalhal#0000 It has happened [08-Apr-25 01:11 AM] .urpalhal#0000 H2O price was pretty stable at 30/u then someone tried to make a profit or something and bought all the stock and prices went up {Reactions} โ˜๏ธ ๐Ÿ‰ [08-Apr-25 01:11 AM] .urpalhal#0000 It affected the prices of a lot of things [08-Apr-25 01:11 AM] .urpalhal#0000 RATs and DW etc [08-Apr-25 01:20 AM] pagy1234#0000 pretty sure alot of that was lowstrife [08-Apr-25 01:20 AM] pagy1234#0000 he bought like 300k H2O at 35/u and put it all up for 47/u [08-Apr-25 01:20 AM] pagy1234#0000 it did eventually reach that though so thats fre money [08-Apr-25 01:21 AM] evov#0000 I bought 60mil worth of PG the other day. No-one seemed to notice. Some products are just more visable than others. [08-Apr-25 01:31 AM] laaxus#0000 If he put a bid higher than market price, more people will sell into his bid than people buying at ask [08-Apr-25 01:40 AM] jcheung#0000 Two things. 1) if there isn't a MM capping the price upwards, someone simply just buys through your ask, and buys high enough that nobody sells into your bid anymore 2) someone dumps a stockpile or brings to market production they weren't listing before, causing a general price decrease {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [08-Apr-25 01:40 AM] jcheung#0000 The first one you don't lose anything. The second you stand to lose the shirt off your back if you went all in {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘†๐Ÿฝ (2) [08-Apr-25 01:47 AM] vanarazor#0000 I can't say I have [08-Apr-25 02:14 AM] magican1980#0000 change your production cycle to 10 or 20 units ๐Ÿ˜› [08-Apr-25 02:17 AM] laaxus#0000 This screen is useless dont use it [08-Apr-25 02:17 AM] magican1980#0000 yes, there was a time (about 4 months ago), where H2O was more then 40 Credits and above. atm I use over 7.700 H2O daily :P, but at that time I have integrated my own supply of H2O ๐Ÿ™‚ [08-Apr-25 03:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Damn, @laaxus! Just noticed your at 21 bases. Gosh, are you fast [08-Apr-25 03:55 AM] laaxus#0000 I think I'll stop expanding through new bases now [08-Apr-25 03:55 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm considering investing in leased base [08-Apr-25 04:12 AM] laaxus#0000 Laaxus development bank, soon tm [08-Apr-25 04:24 AM] pxlfox.#0000 sounds legit [08-Apr-25 04:53 AM] pagy1234#0000 ok๐Ÿ˜” [08-Apr-25 04:54 AM] pagy1234#0000 but I need my ship to take the water as soon as enough is ready to fill the ship๐Ÿ˜… [08-Apr-25 04:54 AM] pagy1234#0000 I cant wait super long for a ton of water to be ready [08-Apr-25 05:35 AM] magican1980#0000 I know the feeling of needed H2O at the time, I changed from Farms to Hydroponics Farms (I call them Water sinks). But know (after about 200 days) I'm swimming in H2O and sometimes sell it at the CX ๐Ÿ˜› - with Etherwind and Boucher [08-Apr-25 05:55 AM] magican1980#0000 please read PM [08-Apr-25 06:15 AM] tanda#0000 If anyone's thinking about it, I would preorder 150 TBU at a 20% markup from Jab's prices there [08-Apr-25 11:30 AM] potaterror#0000 Holy crap. Someone bought a chunk of MEA at 16K/u, I wonder who it wa-- Oh, Rakkzi. [08-Apr-25 11:53 AM] jcheung#0000 Again? [08-Apr-25 11:58 AM] potaterror#0000 Yeah [08-Apr-25 11:59 AM] potaterror#0000 He was trying to hold it up in the 20Ks last night. I put up a few hundred units at 16K to get him to undercut me or maybe buy it out if nobody else was able to get some supply in. I guess he chose the latter. [08-Apr-25 12:00 PM] potaterror#0000 At this point I'm just going to have a rubber stamp made that says "THIS ADI GRANT PROVIDED BY RAKKZI" {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [08-Apr-25 12:02 PM] potaterror#0000 About time I put up a couple anyway. [08-Apr-25 12:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 so I'm playing around with an ISA base and I noticed there's no settlers ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [08-Apr-25 12:12 PM] tanda#0000 ...yeah? RE doesn't really need them [08-Apr-25 12:13 PM] tanda#0000 What are you planning to do on ISA [08-Apr-25 12:15 PM] jab.sh#0000 probably too much [08-Apr-25 12:17 PM] jab.sh#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/61a34005-ec22-4912-bba1-8b20b92f5eea https://prunplanner.org/shared/41823054-e9ad-4d3c-96d5-85c003fe25f3 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/61a34005-ec22-4912-bba1-8b20b92f5eea PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/41823054-e9ad-4d3c-96d5-85c003fe25f3 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [08-Apr-25 12:18 PM] jcheung#0000 Just keep listing a couple hundred at a time [08-Apr-25 12:19 PM] potaterror#0000 Yeah, that's my plan. Put up less than half of what I had on hand. [08-Apr-25 12:20 PM] jcheung#0000 If you run out i think i have some i can spare at jeetyu if you want to keep messing with him [08-Apr-25 12:21 PM] potaterror#0000 Should be fine, I'm gonna have another load going over in the next couple days. [08-Apr-25 12:22 PM] potaterror#0000 This is like the 3rd time he's done it though, surely he's nearing his limits. [08-Apr-25 12:31 PM] jcheung#0000 Be interesting to see where it corrects to [08-Apr-25 12:31 PM] jcheung#0000 Thinking about decommissioning my IDC base [08-Apr-25 12:31 PM] jcheung#0000 This is expiditing it [08-Apr-25 12:32 PM] jcheung#0000 Expedite? One of those [08-Apr-25 12:33 PM] pagy1234#0000 lmao, you could put the IVP and FP on SE-110a, and HYF on SE-110b [08-Apr-25 12:33 PM] pagy1234#0000 but probably permit cost will get you on that [08-Apr-25 12:37 PM] potaterror#0000 Looks like there's a decent bit more production, so I'm guessing it may drift back down to about where it was previously. [08-Apr-25 12:40 PM] pagy1234#0000 does MEA really have enough production for that? [08-Apr-25 12:42 PM] pagy1234#0000 I know alot of people set up bases for IVPs and whatever, but Norwick still has pop issues, barely anyone moved onto SE-110a, and tbh idk any other food industry planets [08-Apr-25 12:42 PM] potaterror#0000 I'm no analyst, but looking at the 90 day leaderboard vs 7 day and the fact that I know of 1 IVP base coming online that isn't even someone on the board, I'm inclined to think so. [08-Apr-25 12:44 PM] potaterror#0000 IVPs don't have a ton of flexibility, so I'd say that's going to have some people staying in the market. [08-Apr-25 12:44 PM] pagy1234#0000 I get what you mean, maybe it is going to shift slowly [08-Apr-25 12:45 PM] jab.sh#0000 I'm still on hq10 so permits are pretty cheap [08-Apr-25 12:47 PM] pagy1234#0000 ah ok, then you could split between any of the SE-110a/b/c planets {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [08-Apr-25 12:47 PM] pagy1234#0000 basically the perfect food industries system [08-Apr-25 12:48 PM] pagy1234#0000 farming planet, water world, and food factory all nearby [08-Apr-25 01:14 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 how are ties in elections resolved? [08-Apr-25 01:15 PM] sidepipe#0000 For two players who have the same # of votes, the person who ran first gets the seat. That person will also get listed above everyone else (with the same # of votes) in the list of candidates {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [08-Apr-25 02:38 PM] megamint#0000 Would it be a good or bad move to make a second base in the same node? That is assuming it provides everything I need for my upward progress [08-Apr-25 02:52 PM] sidepipe#0000 When you say same node, do you mean adding a permit to an existing base? Or making a new base in the same system as an existing one (like SE-110 for example?) [08-Apr-25 03:08 PM] megamint#0000 same system as an existing base [08-Apr-25 03:08 PM] megamint#0000 like SE-110 b and SE-110 e as an example [08-Apr-25 03:11 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I don't know what your plans would be for SE-110e, but lots of people get water from ISA (SE-110c), grow crops on SE-110b, and Bake them into food on SE-110a (or variants of that). [08-Apr-25 03:24 PM] sidepipe#0000 If thereโ€™s an established planet in the same system that meets your needs, then Iโ€™d definitely do it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [08-Apr-25 03:25 PM] megamint#0000 SE-110 was the example sidepipe used, I'm the the ZV system [08-Apr-25 03:26 PM] megamint#0000 But I just wanted to know a general consensus, not a specific one [08-Apr-25 03:26 PM] sidepipe#0000 Technically the letters (SE, ZV) you see on the map are sectors, which are groups of systems [08-Apr-25 03:26 PM] sidepipe#0000 So thereโ€™s SE-110, SE-052, SE-648 - all their own systems with their own planets [08-Apr-25 03:34 PM] jab.sh#0000 no, there's nothing wrong with being on multiple planets in the same sector/system, and it can make logistics easier. [08-Apr-25 03:43 PM] jcheung#0000 Well [08-Apr-25 03:44 PM] jcheung#0000 If you're feeding one planet from another, there's many cases where it's more consistent and faster to send to/from a neighboring system (one jump) [08-Apr-25 03:44 PM] jcheung#0000 Same system however, allows you to use a STL ship which is an overall cheaper ship [08-Apr-25 03:45 PM] jcheung#0000 But cheaper still means a few million [08-Apr-25 05:42 PM] tanda#0000 @Market Alerts {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1359297267248529578/image.png?ex=6814a17b&is=68134ffb&hm=8a4290b7bb5c7fdd281f70ac1b7e6bf18bd480d107aeb61c8ea058d9e331c0bc& [08-Apr-25 05:42 PM] jcheung#0000 Hrm [08-Apr-25 05:42 PM] tanda#0000 whoops, one of those images is redundant [08-Apr-25 05:42 PM] jcheung#0000 That explains why i just got wiped out [08-Apr-25 05:42 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1359297438707613928/image.png?ex=6814a1a3&is=68135023&hm=c775c2dff2fd94236a336c4a3e6d02af418afb805f843a7103a97c77f3789859& [08-Apr-25 05:42 PM] tanda#0000 my guess is it's Rakkzi reacting to Firefreak leaving [08-Apr-25 05:43 PM] jcheung#0000 I guess i can trade some sc prod for med [08-Apr-25 05:43 PM] .shiva.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1359297666445738034/image.png?ex=6814a1da&is=6813505a&hm=499ff9dbb0f00b0a3ae253c90ec1a98eacfdf5171b76e9b9c7e6ec10f2f12c2f& [08-Apr-25 05:43 PM] .shiva.#0000 Firefreak was the majority of production, even this week [08-Apr-25 05:44 PM] jcheung#0000 Oh dear [08-Apr-25 05:52 PM] tanda#0000 looks like we mostly need some CHP bases. Firefreak wasn't on the leaderboard for COT or HER, so that means he wasn't self-supplying [08-Apr-25 05:52 PM] getonthetrain#0000 it's not so bad, he just made they MEDS but not the ingredients {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [08-Apr-25 05:53 PM] manhim#0000 I can probably switch one of my CHP base over [08-Apr-25 05:54 PM] tanda#0000 MED looks to be good money too, better than CL [08-Apr-25 05:55 PM] .shiva.#0000 does look like that's ~1 mostly full CHP base worth [08-Apr-25 06:05 PM] 8082i4gor#0000 so thats why it was so expensive [08-Apr-25 07:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ve got all the parts - guess Iโ€™m pausing CL for a bit ๐Ÿ˜„ [08-Apr-25 07:02 PM] jcheung#0000 whelp. guess i'm not changing stuff then ๐Ÿ˜„ [08-Apr-25 07:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 Donโ€™t stop on my account, I can maybe do half a CHP base for a few days [08-Apr-25 07:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 Cause otherwise the DDT labs will come crashing down [08-Apr-25 07:04 PM] jcheung#0000 nah. i don't actually want to figure out the rebalance of my stuff [08-Apr-25 07:04 PM] jcheung#0000 been putting it off for 3 months ๐Ÿ˜œ [08-Apr-25 07:18 PM] megamint#0000 Are the different currencies valued at different rates? [08-Apr-25 07:21 PM] tanda#0000 by players, yeah [08-Apr-25 07:25 PM] megamint#0000 so, hypothetically. 500 ICA to run 438t from Antares to Moria Station. But fuel prices there are 1 ICA lower than AIC here. That values out roughly the same right? [08-Apr-25 07:25 PM] megamint#0000 And isn't worth the pay, right? [08-Apr-25 07:28 PM] pagy1234#0000 that one specificall isnt worth it, but there are some things where that does work [08-Apr-25 07:29 PM] megamint#0000 Okay, I feel less like I'm missing something [08-Apr-25 07:29 PM] megamint#0000 Thank you [08-Apr-25 07:29 PM] pagy1234#0000 :D [08-Apr-25 07:29 PM] megamint#0000 Any tips for shipping? [08-Apr-25 07:29 PM] megamint#0000 Besides checking volumes and weight? (I messed that up a couple days ago) [08-Apr-25 07:33 PM] pagy1234#0000 just make sure that your fuel cost is as small as possible [08-Apr-25 07:33 PM] pagy1234#0000 shipping doesnt have the largest margins, so every bit you save on fuel is cash straight into your pocket [08-Apr-25 07:34 PM] megamint#0000 I hear that. I ran a couple "fast runs" and immediately regretted that decision [08-Apr-25 07:34 PM] pagy1234#0000 also, if you want to ship between CX's, you can use this website to find trades : https://fio.fnar.net/tradefinder [08-Apr-25 07:34 PM] megamint#0000 That's funny. I already do! [08-Apr-25 07:34 PM] pagy1234#0000 oh lol, nice :D [08-Apr-25 07:34 PM] megamint#0000 not much leaving Antares today [08-Apr-25 07:36 PM] pagy1234#0000 there are some trades that could be made with ALO [08-Apr-25 07:37 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 OR! make so much fuel you don't need to care about fuel anymore [08-Apr-25 07:37 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 wont help with turning a profit (since using the fuel still creates the opportunity cost of selling the fuel instead of using it) but can definitely help out corp members [08-Apr-25 07:38 PM] pagy1234#0000 this one is a great trade, look into it, lots of ALO orders on both sides. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1359326479351021770/Screenshot_2025-04-09_at_8.36.39_AM.png?ex=6814bcaf&is=68136b2f&hm=16d785d8be9ce1e27f34c519f3397ace235b1666141a5d3f48f4dd6c9728f910& [08-Apr-25 07:38 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 *deploys an HCB on the route* [08-Apr-25 07:38 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 thank you :) [08-Apr-25 07:39 PM] pagy1234#0000 something that would help me very much since I use too muhc fuel lol [08-Apr-25 07:39 PM] pagy1234#0000 ay, let MegaMint get some of it too [08-Apr-25 07:39 PM] pagy1234#0000 lol [08-Apr-25 07:39 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 he is in luck because my ships are too busy doing other shipping [08-Apr-25 07:39 PM] megamint#0000 I'm not fully sure how to read the table here [08-Apr-25 07:40 PM] megamint#0000 I see that ALO is trading, but I'm not certain what that means or how i can benefit [08-Apr-25 07:40 PM] pagy1234#0000 buy at AI1 for 114/u, and sell at CI1 for 150/u [08-Apr-25 07:41 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 column 1 is origin 2 is destination 3 is mat 4 is origin price /u 5 is probably number of units at price in 4 6 is dest price /u 7 is probably number of units at price in 6 [08-Apr-25 07:41 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 8 and 9 i dont know [08-Apr-25 07:41 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 10 is profit per 500t [08-Apr-25 07:42 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 actually 8 is price difference /u [08-Apr-25 07:42 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 9 is still unclear [08-Apr-25 07:43 PM] megamint#0000 for example AI1 to NC1 would be a good bet (since IC1 only has 32 needed at the 220 price) correct? [08-Apr-25 07:43 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 ye [08-Apr-25 07:44 PM] megamint#0000 Ah, but this gets into the mixed currency problem I was just askking about too [08-Apr-25 07:44 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 look at AI1 to CI1 [08-Apr-25 07:44 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 trade stuff back [08-Apr-25 07:44 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 or buy IDC and bring it back [08-Apr-25 07:44 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 or send me CIS, i'll convert it to AIC for free :) [08-Apr-25 07:44 PM] megamint#0000 Don't tempt me [08-Apr-25 07:45 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 as long as you are not sending me millions worth contracts, i can convert it [08-Apr-25 07:45 PM] megamint#0000 I'm less than a week old, If I'm sending Millions I'm cheating [08-Apr-25 07:45 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 fair [08-Apr-25 07:47 PM] megamint#0000 I'm sure it varies good to good, but is there a general exchange rate I can look up? [08-Apr-25 07:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 oh [08-Apr-25 07:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 yea [08-Apr-25 07:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 you need pro to use forex [08-Apr-25 07:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 and also to send contracts [08-Apr-25 07:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 but [08-Apr-25 07:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 its pretty easy to convert currency now using IDC. [08-Apr-25 07:48 PM] megamint#0000 is IDC a tool? [08-Apr-25 07:48 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 just buy IDC at 15400 at the CX and ship it to the other CX and sell at 15300 [08-Apr-25 07:48 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 its a material [08-Apr-25 07:48 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 it trades at the MM prices (MM = market maker aka the NPC orders) [08-Apr-25 07:48 PM] pagy1234#0000 you can trade stuff back, or if you have PRO, then you can use `FX` [08-Apr-25 07:48 PM] megamint#0000 is it a material that has the same value everywhere? [08-Apr-25 07:49 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 pretty much yes since it trades at 15400/15300 nearly everywhere {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [08-Apr-25 07:49 PM] megamint#0000 I'm holding off on PRO in cas I don't stick around [08-Apr-25 07:49 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Fair [08-Apr-25 07:50 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 You can use CXOB IDC. example: CXOB IDC.AI1 or CXOB IDC.CI1 to check the order book :) [08-Apr-25 07:50 PM] megamint#0000 turns out FIO has a trade finder too. I'm looking at options now [08-Apr-25 07:52 PM] jab.sh#0000 why is ALO so cheap at ANT [08-Apr-25 07:54 PM] megamint#0000 probably because there is a system right next door that has ALO planets [08-Apr-25 07:54 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah that probably helps [08-Apr-25 07:59 PM] megamint#0000 Is there a cool and easy way to calculate Fuel costs without manually inputting data and cross-referencing local prices? [08-Apr-25 08:00 PM] megamint#0000 I'm on one of those planets, but haven't made an extractor yet. (It's on the list) [08-Apr-25 08:00 PM] jab.sh#0000 you can use BLU to test routes [08-Apr-25 08:01 PM] jab.sh#0000 specifically BTF [08-Apr-25 08:04 PM] megamint#0000 BLU? [08-Apr-25 08:14 PM] zillatron#0000 ship Blueprints [08-Apr-25 08:15 PM] zillatron#0000 there's a 'test' button for any ship blueprint, you can set cargo, fuel, reactor settings etc just like a real flight [08-Apr-25 08:19 PM] pagy1234#0000 just assume SF is 17/u lol [08-Apr-25 08:19 PM] pagy1234#0000 as little above but thats fine [08-Apr-25 08:19 PM] megamint#0000 That's where I'm at [08-Apr-25 08:19 PM] megamint#0000 I justr didn't want to do math [08-Apr-25 08:20 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah let BTF do the math for you ๐Ÿ˜‚ [09-Apr-25 01:14 AM] jcheung#0000 fuck me. this will teach me to play games with friends instead of sending out ships and waiting until just before nap time to do so [09-Apr-25 01:16 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/marvel-is-it-though-thor-bruce-banner-gif-14242312 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/marvel-is-it-though-thor-bruce-banner-gif-14242312 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/84bjCHhhKMHhmFL3CQbrQo6PTVdxxs33k-EUGsfzui4/https/media.tenor.com/1jI6hMtarW4AAAAe/marvel-is-it-though.png [09-Apr-25 01:16 AM] jcheung#0000 ....no, probably not [09-Apr-25 01:16 AM] jcheung#0000 i'm still a bit pissed though, because i have 3 ships that need to move [09-Apr-25 01:37 AM] vanarazor#0000 I need more ships!!!! [09-Apr-25 01:37 AM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/jkledits-ajith-thala-ajithkumar-mankatha-gif-13454910 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/jkledits-ajith-thala-ajithkumar-mankatha-gif-13454910 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/6vnh1z5Hn4gZ-Uu8ri6H9vJ_ydnbmHQz_qcwIN9L_RI/https/media.tenor.com/pPNH45n5884AAAAe/jkledits-ajith.png [09-Apr-25 02:18 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 never enough ships ๐Ÿ˜… [09-Apr-25 02:18 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 have 15 yet i want like 5 more [09-Apr-25 02:36 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 fret not Antareans, more fuel will flood your markets soonโ„ข๏ธ [09-Apr-25 02:37 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 btw what was the issue with SF.NC1? [09-Apr-25 04:12 AM] realharvey#0000 Server issue. Milo said he fixed it [09-Apr-25 04:12 AM] realharvey#0000 I have always bought 2-3 more ships than I actually need to reduce stress [09-Apr-25 04:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 As soon as I have just enough ships to transport all I need ans then planing on expanding, then I get a new one [09-Apr-25 04:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It feels wrong to let a ship idle [09-Apr-25 04:19 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Yea I have been running a shipping capacity surplus [09-Apr-25 04:19 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 But I am currently in the middle of adding 2 more bases, and i recently made 2 other bases [09-Apr-25 04:20 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 So that shipping capacity is drying up pretty quickly [09-Apr-25 04:20 AM] realharvey#0000 I sometimes have 5-7 ships idle at ANT. I don't want to burn out so I leave myself some slack when I don't feel like sending out ships for a day or two {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [09-Apr-25 04:20 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 And I have been ordering ships consistently without break ๐Ÿ˜… [09-Apr-25 04:20 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Damn you are rich af [09-Apr-25 04:21 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 I am trying become debt free aggressively so not much cash to throw around sadly [09-Apr-25 04:21 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 + ongoing expansions mean i am burning a lot of money in repairs and cons while bases get workers [09-Apr-25 04:22 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Very poor to buy a lot of ships suddenly ๐Ÿฅฒ [09-Apr-25 04:35 AM] pagy1234#0000 LOL, melon industries bought out all the KOM on AI1 [09-Apr-25 04:36 AM] pagy1234#0000 everything that was at 975-1000/u is now at 1500/u [09-Apr-25 04:36 AM] pagy1234#0000 good luck to those consuming it [09-Apr-25 04:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 I forgot, that includes me since recently, maybe I should have bought some D: [09-Apr-25 04:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 I though that since there was 15k on the market that no one would do this ๐Ÿ˜ญ [09-Apr-25 04:59 AM] evov#0000 <- adding KOM to the list of things I'll start putting downward price pressure to. [09-Apr-25 05:00 AM] pagy1234#0000 how you gonna do that ? [09-Apr-25 05:00 AM] pagy1234#0000 import? [09-Apr-25 05:01 AM] evov#0000 Selling some from my reserves. Hoping other people start selling it as well, and everyone starts undercutting each other. [09-Apr-25 05:01 AM] evov#0000 Hopefully enough so, that the person who tried to "attack" the ANT CX by buying it all out, doesn't end up actually making any $ on it. [09-Apr-25 05:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, lets see, Im in the process of importing a bit, will keep some for myself but will also sell some [09-Apr-25 05:32 AM] magican1980#0000 like we have atm the prices at Carbon falling ๐Ÿ™‚ [09-Apr-25 05:47 AM] magican1980#0000 I have the same problem, I want to expand, but need the cash for ships, workers and supply, even if I have vertically integrated H2O and NS for my Carbon and Rations production [09-Apr-25 07:05 AM] pagy1234#0000 I assume that the majority of people in ANT have a harmonia base, but to anyone that doesnt; go get one now, be cause the planet is filling up quick, just 40 plots left! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [09-Apr-25 07:06 AM] pagy1234#0000 roughly 3-4 people joining each day, so not long left [09-Apr-25 07:06 AM] tanda#0000 Harmonia is always just about full, lol [09-Apr-25 07:06 AM] tanda#0000 it was full about 8 months ago [09-Apr-25 07:06 AM] pagy1234#0000 fr? I swear it was more empty when I joined it [09-Apr-25 07:08 AM] tanda#0000 It may have been, there was a real slump in new players joining for a while, so even Deimos opened back up about 4-5 months ago [09-Apr-25 07:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ญ [09-Apr-25 07:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 I want a slot on deimos, literally the perfect planet [09-Apr-25 07:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 ima use it for farming prolly, but I could always change it when I need too [09-Apr-25 07:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 deimos was pretty close about a week ago, went from +15 to +5, but now its back to +7 [09-Apr-25 07:10 AM] tanda#0000 then I guess you need to hope for dark times in Antares {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1359500724433588254/image.png?ex=6814b637&is=681364b7&hm=d453b3cfb67fd330d660590b1f5bae35413dc3bcdbc5d04ce261280aeec6680b& [09-Apr-25 07:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah lol [09-Apr-25 07:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 eventually il get a slot I guess [09-Apr-25 07:12 AM] pagy1234#0000 maybe [09-Apr-25 08:48 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 What do people do on Harmonia ? [09-Apr-25 08:48 AM] pagy1234#0000 farm [09-Apr-25 08:48 AM] pagy1234#0000 its ANT's main farming planet [09-Apr-25 08:48 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Ah okay [09-Apr-25 08:48 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Not my cup o tea [09-Apr-25 08:48 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Eyeing deimos ๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ‘€ [09-Apr-25 08:49 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Also montem ๐Ÿ‘€ [09-Apr-25 08:54 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 FWIW, it has been at about 40 plots since at least december, when I joined. [09-Apr-25 08:54 AM] pagy1234#0000 D: [09-Apr-25 08:54 AM] pagy1234#0000 alr [09-Apr-25 09:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Deimos is great [09-Apr-25 09:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Wonderful planet [09-Apr-25 09:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The best planet ever been [09-Apr-25 09:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I knew a guy, very smart, he said, Deimos is the best planet in the universe {Reactions} kekw [09-Apr-25 09:05 AM] jvaler#0000 :true: [09-Apr-25 11:58 AM] jab.sh#0000 [09-Apr-25 11:58 AM] jab.sh#0000 @archielvahr what kind of shipping does this need? [09-Apr-25 11:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 most likely just 1 STL ship, and the occasional visit from an FTL ship to sell goods to CX [09-Apr-25 12:00 PM] jab.sh#0000 fair enough [09-Apr-25 12:41 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yep, I have one 2k STL in system. Then every once in a while i pick up the C or the RAT/DW [09-Apr-25 12:41 PM] archielvahr#0000 The HYFs also supply Nascent, sometimes [09-Apr-25 12:41 PM] archielvahr#0000 Lots of flexibility on running either the 4 HCP or the 4 HCP + 2 MAI carbon recipe [09-Apr-25 12:54 PM] finestone#0000 Feels Good to not be behind on anything :danceboi: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1359587175892648096/image.png?ex=681506ba&is=6813b53a&hm=7f99a0635edf89611c2fcd47943c82be50086025469258cb29166edfa32cfeaa& {Reactions} true [09-Apr-25 12:56 PM] finestone#0000 Also 6th Ship started construction :x_skeledance: {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (3) [09-Apr-25 01:54 PM] jab.sh#0000 I don't know if I'll do an STL ship, feels overly limited, but I'll probably dedicate a 2k2k to it. [09-Apr-25 01:58 PM] potaterror#0000 Not sure I'd make anything but a WCB STL ship. A WCB lets you use small quarters, LCB bumps it up to medium. {Reactions} ๐Ÿคท [09-Apr-25 02:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 personally, I just use a 500/500 STL ship in SE-110 for 90% of the stuff, then fly in an LCB to haul stuff out occasionally [09-Apr-25 02:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 good balance of price & reducing load on your FTL ships [09-Apr-25 02:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 but it really depends on what you wanna do there [09-Apr-25 02:02 PM] potaterror#0000 Oh yeah, I forgot we were talking about that system specifically. WCB would be a poor choice there, I think. [09-Apr-25 02:03 PM] jab.sh#0000 500/500 STL, what is that like $2m? [09-Apr-25 02:04 PM] jab.sh#0000 I'm at the point where I'd trade efficiency/price for convenience. I'd be fine with just getting a normal 2k2k and have it sit in that system. [09-Apr-25 02:05 PM] potaterror#0000 Something around there. [09-Apr-25 02:06 PM] potaterror#0000 Oh wow [09-Apr-25 02:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 yeah around 2M, maybe less if you go with a GEN [09-Apr-25 02:07 PM] potaterror#0000 Actually, a WCB over a MCB only adds 350k. Uses the same amount of hull plates and SSCs as a MCB. [09-Apr-25 02:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 but if you've already got a large FTL fleet, you probably don't need it [09-Apr-25 02:07 PM] jab.sh#0000 I can definitely use more ships lol [09-Apr-25 02:07 PM] jab.sh#0000 just ordered a HCB yesterday [09-Apr-25 02:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 exciting! first HCB? [09-Apr-25 02:07 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah [09-Apr-25 02:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 I'd love to just upgrade all my ships to HCB ๐Ÿ˜„ [09-Apr-25 02:08 PM] sidepipe#0000 I know you intellectually understand how much stuff you can fit in it, but it still won't prepare you for how much stuff those ships can move ๐Ÿ˜„ [09-Apr-25 02:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 this one's gonna move 25k water at a time. [09-Apr-25 02:08 PM] sidepipe#0000 there's nothing like moving 1000s of crops or 50k DW [09-Apr-25 02:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 and maybe 1500/ea food mats [09-Apr-25 02:09 PM] potaterror#0000 Get a HCB ship for every planet and enjoy having an on-site warehouse that moves itself to market when filled. [09-Apr-25 02:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 mobile STO [09-Apr-25 02:10 PM] potaterror#0000 I should probably save up and figure out what my standard HCB build is going to be. [09-Apr-25 02:13 PM] jab.sh#0000 if I want a bigger warehouse should I just talk to the governor? [09-Apr-25 02:14 PM] sidepipe#0000 doesn't hurt to ask - where at? [09-Apr-25 02:14 PM] jab.sh#0000 Griffonstone [09-Apr-25 02:14 PM] sidepipe#0000 Phobos has been paying for a lot of upgrades to different planets, so they might pay for WAR as well {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [09-Apr-25 02:17 PM] potaterror#0000 Starts getting a little spendy around there. [09-Apr-25 02:18 PM] potaterror#0000 2700 mcg, 180 TRU, 216 BBH & BDE, 108 BSE for the next 500u of space. [09-Apr-25 02:18 PM] potaterror#0000 (assuming my notes are correct) [09-Apr-25 02:19 PM] getonthetrain#0000 I'm gearing up production for a 500 STL ship for sale at under $1mil {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [09-Apr-25 02:19 PM] jab.sh#0000 you can just look at the planet ๐Ÿ˜› [09-Apr-25 02:19 PM] getonthetrain#0000 if anyones interested [09-Apr-25 02:19 PM] potaterror#0000 Nah, because WH space does weird level skips. Like 8-9 doesn't get you more space, just additional units that can be rented. [09-Apr-25 02:20 PM] archielvahr#0000 If you want to upgrade it up to 2k worth per person, Phobos will pay for it, just send me a bill [09-Apr-25 02:20 PM] jab.sh#0000 oh weird [09-Apr-25 02:20 PM] jab.sh#0000 like 2k per base? [09-Apr-25 02:20 PM] potaterror#0000 That's what it's already at. =p [09-Apr-25 02:21 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 phobos is funding Antarean infra upgrades? [09-Apr-25 02:21 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 ๐Ÿ‘€ [09-Apr-25 02:21 PM] jab.sh#0000 oh I see what you're saying [09-Apr-25 02:21 PM] jab.sh#0000 I thought you meant you'd fund $2000/base [09-Apr-25 02:22 PM] jab.sh#0000 does Phobos have any openings? ๐Ÿ‘€ [09-Apr-25 02:22 PM] potaterror#0000 As in base spots? [09-Apr-25 02:24 PM] jab.sh#0000 as in the co op (?) [09-Apr-25 02:25 PM] potaterror#0000 Didn't even know there was one. [09-Apr-25 02:25 PM] sidepipe#0000 there isn't afaik - this is funded by the government of phobos {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [09-Apr-25 02:25 PM] jab.sh#0000 that sounds needlessly complex. they should just let everyone rent the max warehouse, and increase by 500 each level. [09-Apr-25 02:25 PM] jab.sh#0000 ah I see [09-Apr-25 02:26 PM] jab.sh#0000 well I want to contribute to the Anterean infra upgrades project ๐Ÿ™‚ [09-Apr-25 02:26 PM] jab.sh#0000 so if I upgrade the warehouse right now, it wouldn't even give me more space? [09-Apr-25 02:27 PM] potaterror#0000 It sort of makes sense early on. The first few levels could conceivably be filled and need a total unit upgrade. [09-Apr-25 02:27 PM] jab.sh#0000 it would let more people rent units, which there's already more units than available plots, so that literally does nothing. [09-Apr-25 02:27 PM] potaterror#0000 By like level 5 it just isn't going to happen though. [09-Apr-25 02:27 PM] potaterror#0000 Yeah, you'd have to upgrade to level 10 to see a space boost. [09-Apr-25 02:28 PM] potaterror#0000 Level 9 isn't going to do anything but raise the available unit total to, uh...2250. [09-Apr-25 02:28 PM] jab.sh#0000 10? sheesh [09-Apr-25 02:28 PM] jab.sh#0000 oh it's at 8 [09-Apr-25 02:28 PM] jab.sh#0000 I see now. [09-Apr-25 02:28 PM] potaterror#0000 Yeah. I'd be surprised if max total units ever gets hit. [09-Apr-25 02:28 PM] jab.sh#0000 it literally can't [09-Apr-25 02:29 PM] jab.sh#0000 423 plots * 4 per plot is only 1692 [09-Apr-25 02:29 PM] jab.sh#0000 when there's 1800 units available now [09-Apr-25 02:29 PM] jab.sh#0000 unless the planet got overfilled of course [09-Apr-25 02:29 PM] potaterror#0000 It can in the early levels, but past 4 or so it isn't likely. [09-Apr-25 02:29 PM] jab.sh#0000 well I sent the governor a DM [09-Apr-25 02:31 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yep, WAR, POPI buildings, even ADMs maybe. Anywhere in ANT [09-Apr-25 02:32 PM] potaterror#0000 I'd be surprised if they've got the cheddar to throw at it, but it can't hurt to ask. [09-Apr-25 02:33 PM] archielvahr#0000 Phobos has more cheddar than can be reasonably spent, so please help me spend it ๐Ÿ˜† [09-Apr-25 02:33 PM] archielvahr#0000 Oh Griff is already at 4 units per company. ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [09-Apr-25 02:33 PM] potaterror#0000 Well, the question is whether a WH above 2K is worth the spend even in cash-rich Phobos terms. [09-Apr-25 02:33 PM] archielvahr#0000 I'm not opposed to adding more, it gets a little expensive, but like I said... lots of money [09-Apr-25 02:34 PM] archielvahr#0000 Maybe we should consider 5 units the new max ๐Ÿ˜„ [09-Apr-25 02:35 PM] potaterror#0000 I'd say to take planetary use into consideration. What's Griff make a lot of, CL? [09-Apr-25 02:36 PM] archielvahr#0000 Lots of AML products too, which are heavy. [09-Apr-25 02:36 PM] archielvahr#0000 Heph is at 5k/5k, and my warehouse is full.. and I have a HCB parked on Heph also just for storage ๐Ÿ˜“ [09-Apr-25 02:36 PM] potaterror#0000 Probably makes sense to bump that up to 3K, meaning a WH can service a WCB. [09-Apr-25 02:37 PM] potaterror#0000 If it's a real hot planet then yeah, 5K may actually be worth it with the HCBs [09-Apr-25 02:37 PM] jab.sh#0000 the griff base I'm supplying is making NS [09-Apr-25 02:37 PM] jab.sh#0000 and I'm always fighting with space issues [09-Apr-25 02:37 PM] jab.sh#0000 LST is so heavy [09-Apr-25 02:38 PM] jab.sh#0000 and then H is so voluminous [09-Apr-25 02:38 PM] potaterror#0000 LST is another that would make me say 3K is reasonable for WCB reasons. [09-Apr-25 02:38 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 in that case, can Phobos fund 298k to the government of LS-746b so it can repay me for the WAR upgrade? I had raised taxes and WAR fees to cover the expenses. I reimbursed 50% of the cost since the government earned enough. I am sure everyone would appreciate it if the taxes can be dropped ๐Ÿ™‚ [09-Apr-25 02:38 PM] jab.sh#0000 I could fund it, I just wanted to see what "best practice" is. [09-Apr-25 02:40 PM] jab.sh#0000 according to [this](https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/legacy-tutorials/planetary-projects/index.html), 9 does go to 5 and then 11 goes to 6. [09-Apr-25 02:41 PM] potaterror#0000 Oh, you're right. [09-Apr-25 02:41 PM] potaterror#0000 I didn't actually look at the per company column on my chart, I just assumed that nobody'd upgraded it past the last tick. [09-Apr-25 02:42 PM] jab.sh#0000 so we need just over 3x the current cost to get to 11 right? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1359614406891278507/screenshot_20250409134201.png?ex=68147757&is=681325d7&hm=58a29b787a16cb4d507ac08aa5a91f2c27b19c7a1091657031016553f172c8f0& [09-Apr-25 02:42 PM] jab.sh#0000 so 300ish BBH, etc [09-Apr-25 02:42 PM] jab.sh#0000 I think it's 3.5x if my math is right [09-Apr-25 02:43 PM] archielvahr#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1268787191727788193/1326077933873266730 {Reactions} ๐Ÿšซ (2) [09-Apr-25 02:43 PM] archielvahr#0000 dang the mat list is somewhere, that's just costs ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [09-Apr-25 02:43 PM] potaterror#0000 Unless I've derped again, 4200 MCG, 280 TRU, 336 BBH & BDE, 168 BSE to go to 3K per base. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [09-Apr-25 02:44 PM] jab.sh#0000 I don't have access to that channel [09-Apr-25 02:44 PM] jab.sh#0000 336 yeah, that is 3.5 ๐Ÿ™‚ [09-Apr-25 02:44 PM] archielvahr#0000 oh it's in the archive [09-Apr-25 02:44 PM] archielvahr#0000 well it's not super helpful unfortunately [09-Apr-25 02:46 PM] jab.sh#0000 that's 2.2m, little more than my gut was saying ๐Ÿ˜† [09-Apr-25 02:46 PM] potaterror#0000 Yeah, that's why the general vibe is 2K being a good baseline. [09-Apr-25 02:47 PM] jab.sh#0000 what's 1-7 cost? just over $2m by my math. [09-Apr-25 02:47 PM] potaterror#0000 Still, for prosperous ANT, bumping beyond that may not be a bad call. [09-Apr-25 02:48 PM] potaterror#0000 Probably about 2M total. [09-Apr-25 02:48 PM] potaterror#0000 I don't have prices worked into that sheet 'cause my lazy ass hasn't migrated it over to Google sheets yet, so only the mat quantities are easy to pull quickly. {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [09-Apr-25 02:51 PM] jab.sh#0000 looks like it lost all my formulas, but here's a starter csv {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1359616622159073460/prosperous_universe_-_warehouse_cost.csv?ex=68147967&is=681327e7&hm=78070032ce48f6e4e58b41ac27b0fa425dde209355dd7f5fa4023707cd340d02& [09-Apr-25 02:51 PM] jab.sh#0000 2nd column is price per unit, 4th column is just 2*3 [09-Apr-25 02:56 PM] jab.sh#0000 and then that last value is `=D10*13` [09-Apr-25 02:57 PM] archielvahr#0000 I'd use it on Griff ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ 2m is not that much {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [09-Apr-25 02:57 PM] archielvahr#0000 especially compared to this, which is storage but only for one person {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [09-Apr-25 02:57 PM] archielvahr#0000 https://kortham.net/temp/firefox_3oOzv9Albo.png {Embed} https://kortham.net/temp/firefox_3oOzv9Albo.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/839Xwf_ZCwwFuteXVjiMvtLhfbzCuYZN7JzS-jAgjnU/https/kortham.net/temp/firefox_3oOzv9Albo.png {Reactions} kekw (2) [09-Apr-25 10:06 PM] finestone#0000 @pxlfox. Did you do a rebuild on your base? you said your missing PIO on Origo but we should have plenty available do you have enough housing? Has POPI cycled since you rebuilt? [09-Apr-25 10:24 PM] vanarazor#0000 PG is popping off [10-Apr-25 01:04 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I extended an existing base and have enough capacity [10-Apr-25 01:04 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The POPR didnโ€™t cycles yet and itโ€™s just a few, so no worries ๐Ÿ™‚ [10-Apr-25 06:46 AM] finestone#0000 https://tenor.com/view/yuck-gross-gif-23415329 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/yuck-gross-gif-23415329 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/DifrWnnltpmrlsTg1IuPn-uYe3OqVCJbwwU5GzDiQNQ/https/media.tenor.com/-t0FqaaqwmIAAAAe/yuck-gross.png [10-Apr-25 06:46 AM] finestone#0000 Multi permit base [10-Apr-25 07:08 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Nah, it wasnโ€™t fully build [10-Apr-25 07:08 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Itโ€™s still just one permit {Reactions} justright [10-Apr-25 11:32 AM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 Any recommended planets to settle on? Current business model is pure shipping, currently applying for a grant to build a SF Refining Plant at my current base on Katoa (UV-351a), with a second base planned on Unamed (CB-282d) for Hydrogen Production. I'm am thinking about whether to consider FF Refining, but nothing is set in stone at the moment. I am also trying to figure out whether it would be better to: 1) extract TS and turn it into HE3 | from Avalon (VH-331g) 2) extract HE3 directly | from Hermes (KI-448b) 3) Import HE3 from the Ex | (BEN or ANT [Depending on finances] ) [10-Apr-25 11:33 AM] .urpalhal#0000 The system with romulon? [10-Apr-25 11:35 AM] jab.sh#0000 depends on which industry you want to go with, but prunplanner lets you filter by COGC and sort by distance to ANT or another planet, probably a good place to start. once you get a candidate planet you'll want to make sure it has the population to support your base [10-Apr-25 11:35 AM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 Romulon? [10-Apr-25 11:36 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I think I spelled it right [10-Apr-25 11:36 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Romulus sorry [10-Apr-25 11:36 AM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 Can't say I've heard of it [10-Apr-25 11:36 AM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 I know the name but not the place [10-Apr-25 11:43 AM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 Found it, just took a look, and that is pretty good. {Reactions} danceboi [10-Apr-25 01:23 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 Would it be better to buy HE3 from an Ex or Extract it on Orm? [10-Apr-25 01:29 PM] finestone#0000 Based on my Calcs buying He3 is the play atm {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [10-Apr-25 01:45 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 I might be applying for the AGP relatively soon, I think I am in a hyper fixating phase. [10-Apr-25 03:03 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 consider extracting HE3 on Orm, H on CB-282d and join me on UV-795d for refining it into FF [10-Apr-25 03:04 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 UV-795d is also just 2 jumps from BEN [10-Apr-25 04:09 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 Perhaps another time, I'm trying to get two bases built (up) by applying for the grants and I only have 2 Base Permits. [10-Apr-25 04:13 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 But for when such time comes, is mining Gal on Katoa any good? [10-Apr-25 05:22 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 its okay [10-Apr-25 05:23 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 you can have a hybrid base mining GAL and refining SF on katoa [10-Apr-25 05:26 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 I plan on importing GAL from Ben and importing H and AMM from my (planned) Romulus base. [10-Apr-25 05:26 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 wow no dont [10-Apr-25 05:26 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 I should get a loan or something for VCB Ships [10-Apr-25 05:26 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 thats a bad idea [10-Apr-25 05:27 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 you are aiming at a full 13 REF SF base? [10-Apr-25 05:27 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 if you wanna just mine GAL then you can go to KW-976c [10-Apr-25 05:27 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 its expensive to build on but 1 base can support 2x 13 REF bases. [10-Apr-25 05:27 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 I have 12 REF on Katoa [10-Apr-25 05:28 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Okay i am VERY confused [10-Apr-25 05:28 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 what do you want to do? [10-Apr-25 05:29 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 Currently SF and FF refining on Katoa [10-Apr-25 05:30 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 so you have 1 base on katoa refining SF/FF. [10-Apr-25 05:30 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Okay [10-Apr-25 05:31 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 *will at some point soon [10-Apr-25 05:31 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 you are making it hard to understand [10-Apr-25 05:31 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 let me lay out what i understand [10-Apr-25 05:32 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 I have a Plot of Land, a Core Module and 2 Starter Ships to my name + currencies + various commodities [10-Apr-25 05:33 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 - You wish to make a 13 REF base on katoa to make SF and FF - You plan to make a Romulus base (which is DEEP in ANT) to supply yourself with AMM and H. - You plan to import GAL from BEN CX to your Katoa base [10-Apr-25 05:34 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 That is the jist of it, and subject to change depending on where and what I end up doing in Insitor [10-Apr-25 05:34 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Okay [10-Apr-25 05:34 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I can help you plan better though [10-Apr-25 05:35 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 If you want to supply your Katoa base, make H on CB-282d, buy GAL and AMM on BEN CX [10-Apr-25 05:35 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 that will disqualify you from the AGP though [10-Apr-25 05:35 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Romulus is _far_ and that will engage both your starter ships and then some [10-Apr-25 05:36 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 + CB-282d has many people who ship H from the planet to BEN/Katoa all the time [10-Apr-25 05:39 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 Conjecture, let's say I qualify for the AGP and receive the materials & funding Would I need to build the entire base immediately, or could I build the Core Module and deposit everything into the base storage and resume building it another time? [10-Apr-25 05:40 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I think thats technically acceptable but stepping around the program requirements like that is probably not gonna be appreciated [10-Apr-25 05:41 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 You could still make the H base and sell H on ANT CX [10-Apr-25 05:42 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 I would need to get meself another ship, or talk with my Contract Manager(?) about getting it consistently shipped, but possible [10-Apr-25 05:43 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 that will qualify for the grant, i mean, free money is free money :pepe_shrug: and i understand [10-Apr-25 05:43 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 Since I am getting AIC by doing shipping in Ant at the moment [10-Apr-25 05:44 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 By the way, do you know of any POIs in Insitor Space? (ICA based planets) [10-Apr-25 05:45 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Hortus itself lol [10-Apr-25 05:46 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 its a mega system with a lot of useful planets [10-Apr-25 05:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 apparently AGP doesn't have a maximum bases requirement @kyubi_otsutsuki_2071 so you can expand in ANT later [10-Apr-25 05:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 BEST grant has a maximum bases requirement [10-Apr-25 05:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 so i suggest you get that first [10-Apr-25 05:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 make the SF pipeline in BEN [10-Apr-25 05:48 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 then come back to ANT later on and apply for AGP ๐Ÿ˜„ [10-Apr-25 05:48 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 Well, it does say "2nd or 3rd base" [10-Apr-25 05:48 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 oh where [10-Apr-25 05:48 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 i dont see it [10-Apr-25 05:48 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 ๐Ÿ˜… [10-Apr-25 05:48 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 i checked the information channel [10-Apr-25 05:50 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1354328950624751697/1354328969733734441 [10-Apr-25 05:50 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 Which is also how I got to this server [10-Apr-25 05:51 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 and Insitor also has a line saying "no more than 3 bases" [10-Apr-25 05:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It does say there are exceptions [10-Apr-25 05:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 We will talk about it {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [10-Apr-25 05:54 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 BEST has a stricter requirement of 2 or less [10-Apr-25 05:55 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 Indeed, and I am able to use it on my base at Katoa [10-Apr-25 05:56 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 oh you already took it okay great [10-Apr-25 05:57 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 mid way of doing so, need to get a plan fully developed first, that allows for me to get and properly use all three Grants within each one's original intentions. [10-Apr-25 06:12 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 Wait, no. It was this post I read before joining here! https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1269367508813746236 [10-Apr-25 06:20 PM] tanda#0000 Somebody caught me slippin. This wasn't even on the top of my Burn this morning {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1360031819726323823/image.png?ex=6814aa95&is=68135915&hm=051945cce5efd8d4ad14c7ba3bb88d508d510842232a8b7337e8432df0a1a20e& [10-Apr-25 06:30 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 What is Burn? It's from FIO, right? [10-Apr-25 06:31 PM] tanda#0000 it's from RPrun or PMMG [10-Apr-25 06:31 PM] tanda#0000 I recommend the first one, PMMG is deprecated [10-Apr-25 06:33 PM] tanda#0000 man, PFE is starting to look pretty thin on the CXs #governing {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1360035090184409260/image.png?ex=6814ada1&is=68135c21&hm=31a4cc050cb6ef0185bd54d721a05c6bf09a50de5b18693bfabbea93f4a63299& [10-Apr-25 06:36 PM] sidepipe#0000 i listed a bit, but I also make batches for OOG [10-Apr-25 06:36 PM] sidepipe#0000 so if anyone needs some, hit me up and I can make it for cheaper than what's on the CX [10-Apr-25 06:37 PM] tanda#0000 I also supply it, I'm only bringing it up because my reserve got bought out listed at 2.2k [10-Apr-25 06:37 PM] tanda#0000 which is...wow, I didn't think anyone was that desperate [10-Apr-25 06:43 PM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 Huh [10-Apr-25 09:09 PM] tanda#0000 @optimizedfunction a good bit of my cashflow does come from INS, granted. But even that can sit for a week sometimes [10-Apr-25 09:09 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 fuel never dies! [10-Apr-25 09:43 PM] jcheung#0000 in other news [10-Apr-25 09:44 PM] jcheung#0000 T.T screwed up 5 shipments in the past week {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1360082945624379583/image.png?ex=6814da33&is=681388b3&hm=66eeb379b9b5e603e2ee5003222f8035c4350358a131c2e5a1522a90836a55de& [10-Apr-25 09:49 PM] tanda#0000 whoops! [10-Apr-25 09:54 PM] jcheung#0000 had one base shut down completely for a solid day {Reactions} rip [10-Apr-25 11:18 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Uhm so I have been wondering [10-Apr-25 11:18 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Will the planned gateways fit 5k5k ships? [10-Apr-25 11:18 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 If no, then should we be going ham on 5k5ks? [10-Apr-25 11:18 PM] .shiva.#0000 With max size upgrades I think? [10-Apr-25 11:19 PM] .shiva.#0000 Aka none of the planned gates [10-Apr-25 11:20 PM] jcheung#0000 i mean you'll still have at least two ships that fit ๐Ÿ˜„ [10-Apr-25 11:20 PM] jcheung#0000 also with how big they are they can afford to take the slower route [10-Apr-25 11:22 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 So what i am hearing is i am gonna get fked [10-Apr-25 11:22 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I was planning on upgrading my whole fleet.... [10-Apr-25 11:22 PM] jcheung#0000 well [10-Apr-25 11:22 PM] .shiva.#0000 Not like gateways are actually gonna get released at this rate anyways [10-Apr-25 11:22 PM] jcheung#0000 gate release will be sometime between now and the heat death of the universe so you have plenty of time {Reactions} kekw (2) [10-Apr-25 11:23 PM] jcheung#0000 once it releases you can acquire a couple smaller ships [10-Apr-25 11:23 PM] moke.#0000 Might still see the heat death first [10-Apr-25 11:23 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 For a sec i thought it was molp [10-Apr-25 11:24 PM] jcheung#0000 moke, molp, close enough [10-Apr-25 11:24 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Nah i'll upgrade my VCBs, get another HCB then only buy LCBs for life. [10-Apr-25 11:24 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm hooked on LCBs >.< [10-Apr-25 11:24 PM] .shiva.#0000 VCBs can't gate either anyways [10-Apr-25 11:24 PM] .shiva.#0000 (unless size gets upgraded) [10-Apr-25 11:24 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Yea thats why i'll upgrade to HCB (also because CQL) [10-Apr-25 11:26 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Is there even a teeny tiny idea of when the gateways will arrive? [10-Apr-25 11:26 PM] jcheung#0000 ^ [10-Apr-25 11:27 PM] .shiva.#0000 We're approaching a year? [10-Apr-25 11:29 PM] .shiva.#0000 July 15th was the first blog post [10-Apr-25 11:29 PM] .shiva.#0000 And it kinda seems like they got sidelined for random other stuff [10-Apr-25 11:29 PM] .shiva.#0000 Packages, gifting, etc [10-Apr-25 11:30 PM] .shiva.#0000 Idk, development pace is glacial though. I don't really expect them soon [10-Apr-25 11:32 PM] jcheung#0000 imo... packages was dumb multi conts was a hack job. appreciated, but it's some hacky shit i would have expected from rprun gifting is... eh. dunno how i feel about that yet [10-Apr-25 11:33 PM] .shiva.#0000 Yeah agreed. Gifting is also mostly pointless imo [10-Apr-25 11:33 PM] .shiva.#0000 Have a hard time believing its been used that much [10-Apr-25 11:33 PM] .shiva.#0000 Maybe by people quiting [10-Apr-25 11:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Idk I feel like they never ask what we really want [10-Apr-25 11:37 PM] jcheung#0000 so like [10-Apr-25 11:37 PM] jcheung#0000 i see a couple good use cases for gifting [10-Apr-25 11:38 PM] jcheung#0000 1) gift one day, someone gets to start ship upgrades and HQ upgrades that they pre-positioned 2) gift one day, give them stuff 3) retirement [10-Apr-25 11:38 PM] jcheung#0000 but [10-Apr-25 11:38 PM] jcheung#0000 since you're not allowed to trade for it [10-Apr-25 11:38 PM] jcheung#0000 that's about it [10-Apr-25 11:38 PM] jvaler#0000 min gift is 3 days [10-Apr-25 11:38 PM] jvaler#0000 me and evayoo tested it [10-Apr-25 11:39 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Hmm [10-Apr-25 11:39 PM] .shiva.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1360112077565591672/image0.jpg?ex=6814f554&is=6813a3d4&hm=0957c88fb32483ae919cd995af98f95ae989cc6959c594726f5b82ec16a9287c& [10-Apr-25 11:40 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Well, i do hope gateways come out in 2025 [10-Apr-25 11:40 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 All the pre-planning for VF shall not go to waste [11-Apr-25 12:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Why do we have icons in our name, know? Who did that? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ [11-Apr-25 12:52 AM] kyubi_otsutsuki_2071#0000 Level 2 Nitro, huh [11-Apr-25 01:22 AM] jvaler#0000 i only now realized we had it due to boosters lol [11-Apr-25 01:23 AM] jvaler#0000 kinda wanna get region roles to use icons with {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [11-Apr-25 01:32 AM] realharvey#0000 Have been unable to play for like 2-3 Days. No Base ran out of stuff. Lucky me {Reactions} ๐ŸŒŸ [11-Apr-25 01:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I have a few bases with heavy inputs - they need daily or every other day supplying ๐Ÿ˜… [11-Apr-25 01:37 AM] realharvey#0000 When I ran 4 Smelting bases I had the same issue. Due to my surplus in Ships I can overdeliver with just 2 Ships when stuff gets to heavy :D {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [11-Apr-25 01:38 AM] realharvey#0000 The only thing where I cant really slack is my AML W production into WAL. I dont really have surplus there and due to that it is unavoidable that it might stop for a day [11-Apr-25 01:38 AM] realharvey#0000 Not playing for those days also means all ships get some use. ๐Ÿ˜‚ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1360142042424021126/image.png?ex=6815113d&is=6813bfbd&hm=5350a8fd3bb808d0f22e1bf530ac5e124aa127f515f1b2405db7490df38c66c4& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ (2) [11-Apr-25 01:55 AM] pxlfox.#0000 no wonder KOM has a price hike recently {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1360146208928174080/image.png?ex=6815151e&is=6813c39e&hm=3ed0a65e1a0b99091cb8376d701ca2b8c232dabfd66f659d169ba3ab7d65c9df& [11-Apr-25 01:57 AM] realharvey#0000 What does this show? [11-Apr-25 01:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 daily profit of a FER base on Norwick making KOM [11-Apr-25 01:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 tho I'm currently not sure, if the numbers are correctly [11-Apr-25 02:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 it takes the bid price, which makes sense [11-Apr-25 02:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 going by the ask price, we would have 200k profit a day [11-Apr-25 02:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I think im going to produce some KOM [11-Apr-25 06:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 couldnt you gift 4 days, and the other person gifts 3 backs? [11-Apr-25 07:36 AM] pagy1234#0000 I feel like molp and the other devs might have gotten a bit overwhelmed with the gateways thing. they promised alot but since people already started gathering hundreds of millions, they cant really change much without people getting angry. so instead of going back on their promises, they just go and do small things for a while. [11-Apr-25 08:08 AM] tanda#0000 Gateways is just a huge project. Molp came back a few different times with updates basically saying "it's more complex than we anticipated" [11-Apr-25 08:28 AM] laaxus#0000 Prun dev teams also got reduced [11-Apr-25 08:44 AM] razenpok#0000 ~~got pruned~~ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’€ (2) [11-Apr-25 09:30 AM] magican1980#0000 they said it in the christmas/december stream, that the team was reduced, because the Kickstarter? or Investment money was consumed - If I remember correctly. [11-Apr-25 10:10 AM] jcheung#0000 That's what i was thinking [11-Apr-25 10:11 AM] pxlfox.#0000 They were previously funded by the German government, but those kinds of subsidies are currently not available [11-Apr-25 11:49 AM] jvaler#0000 ...... probably lmfao [12-Apr-25 12:19 AM] pagy1234#0000 lol [12-Apr-25 12:52 AM] archielvahr#0000 The currently planned gateways won't fit a 5k ship. It would limit their range, and thus , from what we understand, their speed. The alternate routes that support 5k ships would be 50% slower than the initially planned routes. [12-Apr-25 12:54 AM] archielvahr#0000 We're anticipating a pretty huge speed increase, so 2k ships though the network we have planned will be a ton of extra shipping [12-Apr-25 12:54 AM] archielvahr#0000 It could theoretically be changed- there are some pieces of the puzzle missing still- what the final speed through the gate is, mostly. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [12-Apr-25 02:24 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1360515972221632654/IMG_20250412_092425095.jpg?ex=6814733c&is=681321bc&hm=7cb4fab810364408e7762897eb1bdd96bcb5e4cfd87152ca7edf3d2b684e5407& [12-Apr-25 02:24 AM] laaxus#0000 HMS stock is quite low [12-Apr-25 02:24 AM] laaxus#0000 @Market Alerts [12-Apr-25 03:26 AM] vanarazor#0000 POLICE [12-Apr-25 03:27 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1360531796168540261/image.png?ex=681481f9&is=68133079&hm=467d9c123635ff5409490a616a57650c341823a00b0aa36aab8fcebe9508a2e4& [12-Apr-25 03:32 AM] vanarazor#0000 as Soon as I get cash I keep popping more bases [12-Apr-25 03:32 AM] vanarazor#0000 but I should definitely save for a third ship [12-Apr-25 03:32 AM] vanarazor#0000 help I need to talk to someone [12-Apr-25 03:32 AM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/minions-minion-therapy-therapist-problems-gif-8071097 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/minions-minion-therapy-therapist-problems-gif-8071097 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/hf2U5bgmZKNgVLEatu-VtFdK3Gy9Z-YuP1Z3RmqycAk/https/media.tenor.com/YE1H80YIB5MAAAAe/minions-minion.png [12-Apr-25 03:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 In game, or real life? ๐Ÿ˜… {Reactions} โค๏ธ ๐Ÿ‘†๐Ÿฝ ๐Ÿ‰ [12-Apr-25 03:39 AM] vanarazor#0000 both!!! xD [12-Apr-25 03:40 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Well, letโ€™s start with the game part - is it private, or do you want to discuss it in the group? [12-Apr-25 03:41 AM] vanarazor#0000 hahaha I was only joking really, but I appreciate you thank you!! [12-Apr-25 03:41 AM] vanarazor#0000 I was sarcastically sharing my love for this game [12-Apr-25 03:42 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Well, in that case ๐Ÿ˜‚ [12-Apr-25 03:42 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/i-see-south-park-s22e1-dead-kids-i-understand-gif-20327731 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/i-see-south-park-s22e1-dead-kids-i-understand-gif-20327731 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/UhQCIs1_qaVZJaV2zv2DnM9NrfqJ7r-R1H9Ux1OlMFo/https/media.tenor.com/OdfwhhIoccAAAAAe/i-see-south-park.png [12-Apr-25 03:43 AM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/pointing-laughing-you-lol-youre-funny-gif-14124864926771034802 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/pointing-laughing-you-lol-youre-funny-gif-14124864926771034802 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ikzSf8dwuDfhm1RE_ycBiCXLh7rqepfRRbHN82CsNIQ/https/media.tenor.com/xAWZ0GyPurIAAAAe/pointing-laughing.png [12-Apr-25 04:05 AM] laaxus#0000 That's because IND is only used for hms [12-Apr-25 04:05 AM] laaxus#0000 So people that produce HMS also produce the ind [12-Apr-25 04:06 AM] pagy1234#0000 im about too aswell [12-Apr-25 04:07 AM] pagy1234#0000 was thinking about making another base, but I feel like a 3rd ship will be great [12-Apr-25 04:07 AM] pagy1234#0000 im already running my Griffonstine base almost completly on outsourced shipping [12-Apr-25 04:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 this what Im looking to build {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1360542596254011612/Screenshot_2025-04-12_at_5.10.22_PM.png?ex=68148c08&is=68133a88&hm=2db7a53d3511838aa60687ba23b7699638876511fd270b174783109882dc6739& [12-Apr-25 04:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 will cost me just about 4 mil [12-Apr-25 04:16 AM] vanarazor#0000 mmm [12-Apr-25 04:17 AM] vanarazor#0000 is that a specialised ship for chemicals shipping ? [12-Apr-25 04:17 AM] realharvey#0000 You can get a "standard" LCB ship for a little more than 4 mil I think [12-Apr-25 04:18 AM] vanarazor#0000 yeah but a "standard" LCB is not going to have a "_Hyper-power Reactor_" or a " _Glass-based STL Engine_" [12-Apr-25 04:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 nah, just need something fast for small shipping [12-Apr-25 04:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 5/9 of my bases never fill half of my ship, so i dont even need more [12-Apr-25 04:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 I just need to be able to reach more of my bases more frequently [12-Apr-25 04:28 AM] evov#0000 Why the glass based engine and not an FSE? [12-Apr-25 04:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 cheaper [12-Apr-25 04:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 im broke lol [12-Apr-25 04:35 AM] pagy1234#0000 and I saw a message where someone said that the fuel savings from FSE are basically never paid off [12-Apr-25 07:28 AM] evov#0000 Big ships come in handy for big hq upgrades {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1360592516746838189/image.png?ex=6814ba86&is=68136906&hm=a375008a20f7dac0e8d3e5177c692cb37180a7f2c7ce4a5008bdf0205a3dbaf1& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ (2) [12-Apr-25 07:38 AM] laaxus#0000 Is there anybody that would be interested in renting a permit for 50k per day ? (I'm looking for New bases on Halcyon) [12-Apr-25 08:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 just started producing it, how much you looking for a day? [12-Apr-25 08:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 or you want me just to start putting it on CX? [12-Apr-25 09:43 AM] igfloz#0000 Here's my burn / day. If you are making enough, just sling it on the CX, I'd just be happy that there is a better competitive supply - Much thanks for spinning it up tho ๐Ÿ™‚ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1360626483575656548/image.png?ex=6814da28&is=681388a8&hm=ae069117c318ad2d922c62a8602b17eab7f539e86539d935873f0911de26659b& [12-Apr-25 09:48 AM] laaxus#0000 Yeah, there's definitly enough Space on the cx for a few PPF bases [12-Apr-25 09:48 AM] pagy1234#0000 lowkey, I feel like I produce too much [12-Apr-25 09:48 AM] laaxus#0000 PPF ? [12-Apr-25 09:48 AM] laaxus#0000 Nah, it's just because the market is illiquid [12-Apr-25 09:48 AM] laaxus#0000 Very illiquid [12-Apr-25 09:48 AM] pagy1234#0000 theres not much demand, and will 21 units of each per day, il probably lower the prices a little [12-Apr-25 09:49 AM] laaxus#0000 Because there wasn't enough supply for months [12-Apr-25 09:49 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah thats what i meant [12-Apr-25 09:49 AM] pagy1234#0000 you think that people will start buying more as supply increases? [12-Apr-25 09:49 AM] tanda#0000 consumption from the market tends to go up because people stop vertically integrating [12-Apr-25 09:50 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh yeah i get what you mean [12-Apr-25 09:50 AM] pagy1234#0000 might take a little while though [12-Apr-25 09:50 AM] tanda#0000 and it also can encourage new bases that will consume the product [12-Apr-25 09:50 AM] igfloz#0000 I'd suggest more people will start taking it....... with each of them being low supply , I feel most people will just spin up their own internal resources [12-Apr-25 09:50 AM] laaxus#0000 I could provide a bid for you to sell into [12-Apr-25 09:50 AM] pagy1234#0000 I aim to eventually use some amount of it myself aswell, so it should be alright in the long run [12-Apr-25 09:51 AM] laaxus#0000 Ofc the bid won't be as profitable as selling at ask [12-Apr-25 09:51 AM] pagy1234#0000 if you need it then that would be great, although there are quite some already [12-Apr-25 09:51 AM] laaxus#0000 I don't need it at all [12-Apr-25 09:51 AM] laaxus#0000 I just don't want you to stop producing ppf products [12-Apr-25 09:51 AM] laaxus#0000 Antares need more ppf bases {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [12-Apr-25 09:52 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah I wont shut it down, thats for sure, unless I really start piling up more than like 2 mil of product {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [12-Apr-25 09:53 AM] pagy1234#0000 I see that you already have some orders on PSL and PSM though, then allocator has a bit one on PSS so it should be fine [12-Apr-25 09:54 AM] laaxus#0000 I put a bid on pss [12-Apr-25 09:55 AM] laaxus#0000 Once those bids are filled, I'll resell them at a slightly higher price [12-Apr-25 09:55 AM] evov#0000 I was a net buyer of most PPF outputs for a while. I have since built a second PPF base. I suspect this will have a net effect on CX demand for PPF outputs. [12-Apr-25 09:55 AM] laaxus#0000 Feel free to sell at ask tho [12-Apr-25 09:56 AM] laaxus#0000 If you stopped buying PPF product, this change things [12-Apr-25 09:56 AM] laaxus#0000 You were the only buyer [12-Apr-25 09:56 AM] laaxus#0000 Sigh [12-Apr-25 09:58 AM] evov#0000 My net CX activity for the relevant items since I started saving my CX info - ( Mid Aug-24, till Now ) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1360630048239128797/image.png?ex=6814dd7a&is=68138bfa&hm=9d6b55236b0e298393c2fc6614c88b9e2bcb6435aa7f04cc6af92e178d3d68cc& [12-Apr-25 09:58 AM] evov#0000 Not sure if my 2nd PFF base will cover all of my needs. But it will naturally have an impact on how much I look to the CX to cover. [12-Apr-25 10:04 AM] evov#0000 I've always had 1 base producing these things, but prices have risen by roughly 50% over the past 6months. Generally, I find that if there's something I need/use, and the market can't supply suitable volume at suitable prices, I'll make it myself. These items definitely fell into this category. [12-Apr-25 10:20 AM] igfloz#0000 It was lack of permit & capital to "make it myself" that led me to bring this to the wider group, I'm kinda glad I did - Even if @laaxus re-sells and churns a small arbitrage profit, I'd swallow that over spinning up and managing it myself [12-Apr-25 11:15 AM] tanda#0000 Does anyone see any demand in the market for additional TEC capable chemistry planets? I'm looking at upgrading YK-266c to support TEC and want to gauge interest [12-Apr-25 11:47 AM] evov#0000 If I'm going to develop a new planet, it's likely to be either Chem / Manufacturing or Electronics. I think there's reasonably high demand for Chem planets. [12-Apr-25 11:48 AM] tanda#0000 yeah, and YK is pretty underutilized currently IMO, but I'm wondering about upgrading it to support TEC, since it already supports PIO and SET [12-Apr-25 11:51 AM] evov#0000 Chem planet with unemployed TEC and ENG if anyone needs that level pop - {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1360658648287805500/image.png?ex=6814f81d&is=6813a69d&hm=b6b85a7b8aa5f3e7931ccc4242acfe82dc91e5d77445dce45da03f130f6006be& [12-Apr-25 12:10 PM] realharvey#0000 Harvey industries is always interested in higher tier chem planets [12-Apr-25 12:15 PM] evov#0000 harveyG is a IA-158c Enjoyer. All Chem enthusiasts should jump on that planet ๐Ÿ™‚ [12-Apr-25 12:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So I can pop down some good ole LABs or something? [12-Apr-25 12:17 PM] evov#0000 At the moment there's currently no demands on pop for that planet. So immigration programs are open. All the new bases/pop demands for the planets in this project are managed here -> https://discord.gg/AybDG67g [12-Apr-25 12:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well if I need some LABs I will consider your planets first [12-Apr-25 12:22 PM] evov#0000 The other Chem planet I manage seems to constantly have demand for ENG. So in general, I think it makes sense for Chem planets to aim for being capable of supporting ENG imo. [12-Apr-25 12:40 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 @archielvahr Would the Phobos government be willing to fund WAR upgrades for ANT II E? Its a fuel refining planet with a level 1 WAR, and has 10 bases in total. FR inputs are bulky ๐Ÿ™‚ [12-Apr-25 01:51 PM] archielvahr#0000 You bet! Send me a price and Iโ€™ll make it happen [12-Apr-25 01:52 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Thanks! I'll calculate it and let you know :D [12-Apr-25 01:57 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Total monetary cost: 1,620,000 AIC MCG and TRU are CX prices, Bfabs are planned to be bought from @pxlfox. Material cost: - 3600 MCG - 240 TRU - 288 BBH - 288 BDE - 144 BSE [12-Apr-25 01:58 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 @pxlfox. , could you confirm whether you can sell the bfabs for the WAR upgrade? ๐Ÿ™‚ [12-Apr-25 01:59 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 (Will ping archiel after pxlfox confirms) [12-Apr-25 02:14 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Have to check. I definitely donโ€™t have any BSE on stock atm BBH and BDE not in those amounts ๐Ÿ˜… [12-Apr-25 02:15 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Ah hmm how long to make it? [12-Apr-25 02:18 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™m switching my PP production to whatever I need or is protifable [12-Apr-25 02:18 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 btw whats the difference between `Project Member` and `Project Associate` ? [12-Apr-25 02:18 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Probably a week, if I focus it [12-Apr-25 02:18 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Member have bases in Antares, Associates donโ€™t [12-Apr-25 02:19 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 So anyone with a base in Antares becomes a member? [12-Apr-25 02:19 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 even if majority of their bases are outside? [12-Apr-25 02:19 PM] pxlfox.#0000 You have to ask @jvaler about that, I think ๐Ÿ˜… [12-Apr-25 02:19 PM] pxlfox.#0000 But i would guess so [12-Apr-25 02:19 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 and whats the difference other than the names and color of the roles ๐Ÿ˜… [12-Apr-25 02:20 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I am just curious ๐Ÿ˜… [12-Apr-25 02:20 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Not much [12-Apr-25 02:22 PM] igfloz#0000 Project Staff (And I also think Server Boosters) have elevated roles, they can provide roles to new people and create / remove channels & threads [12-Apr-25 02:28 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I have 185 BDE and 52 BBH on stock, but need some of that for a base I was planing to place down tomorrow ๐Ÿ˜… [12-Apr-25 02:29 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I currently produce 11 of every bfab per day [12-Apr-25 02:29 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 ah okay, no worries, I'll buy it off the CX then ๐Ÿ˜„ [12-Apr-25 02:30 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm sorry ๐Ÿ™ˆ [12-Apr-25 02:30 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 its alright! [12-Apr-25 02:30 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 The government of Phobos is paying for it anyways xD [12-Apr-25 02:33 PM] jvaler#0000 correct {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [12-Apr-25 02:33 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Revised monetary cost: 1,900,000 AIC Current CX prices were used. Material cost: - 3600 MCG - 240 TRU - 288 BBH - 288 BDE - 144 BSE @archielvahr [12-Apr-25 02:34 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 For Antares II E's WAR Upgrade to level 7 (2k/2k) [13-Apr-25 02:20 AM] megamint#0000 Is there a way to cancel a purchase request? [13-Apr-25 02:21 AM] laaxus#0000 You mean a bid order ? [13-Apr-25 02:22 AM] laaxus#0000 You Can cancel orders with the cxos buffer [13-Apr-25 02:24 AM] megamint#0000 Thank you [13-Apr-25 03:45 AM] keremcozin#0000 Hi folks, if you have time take a look at my plan for a new base https://prunplanner.org/shared/3804e833-dbcf-420a-b99b-0c0b7cf0e0f7 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/3804e833-dbcf-420a-b99b-0c0b7cf0e0f7 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [13-Apr-25 03:48 AM] keremcozin#0000 on the paper it makes 125.000 credits in Insitor market with average price [13-Apr-25 03:48 AM] keremcozin#0000 daily [13-Apr-25 03:58 AM] laaxus#0000 Plan is empty to me [13-Apr-25 04:20 AM] pagy1234#0000 works for me [13-Apr-25 04:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 plan looks fine, but be careful on illiquidity [13-Apr-25 04:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 NL doesnt sell too fast [13-Apr-25 04:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 only about 100-150 units look to be selling per day, so you 28 units per day production will have a significant impact on the market [13-Apr-25 04:24 AM] laaxus#0000 NL will definitly sell if not too expensive [13-Apr-25 04:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 there is also the risk of piling up stock on the CX since sales are sporadic (EX: there hasnt been a sale of NL is 2 days) [13-Apr-25 04:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 make sure you know what you are doing with that base, you already have very spread out bases, and spreadin them out even more will not help yout logistics [13-Apr-25 04:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 you could move that base to Hephaestus so its close to you harmonia base [13-Apr-25 04:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 also a triple green manufacturing planet [13-Apr-25 04:58 AM] laaxus#0000 Add one ppf [13-Apr-25 04:59 AM] laaxus#0000 And yes, if you produce at hephaestus, I guarantee you'll sell your production {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [13-Apr-25 05:00 AM] laaxus#0000 We need 3 WPL bases per PP2 base [13-Apr-25 05:44 AM] laaxus#0000 @keremcozin could I interest you in leasing one permit to me ? I am looking for New bases on Halcyon to keep HAL Price stable [13-Apr-25 05:45 AM] laaxus#0000 Salary would be 50k/d, I'd supply everything, your only job would be to give me the production (roughly one click every 2 days once setup) [13-Apr-25 05:46 AM] laaxus#0000 There's more to the offer, you Can Come in dm if interested [13-Apr-25 05:47 AM] laaxus#0000 I am looking for 2-3 hal bases, so anybody Can apply [13-Apr-25 05:47 AM] laaxus#0000 I'll do a longer post in #bulletin-board later on, but I'd like to start hal production asap [13-Apr-25 11:15 AM] tanda#0000 If anyone is looking for a close in HE tap, I'm about to jump off this planet in about 2 weeks, so the pop will be going away {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361011942650806432/image.png?ex=6814efa5&is=68139e25&hm=3e04648714a8e736fdd292cc650baa3269badbb74ee1342afcca4df32e1ed0ea& [13-Apr-25 11:15 AM] tanda#0000 this is two jumps from ANT, so one LCB can service the base super easily [13-Apr-25 11:16 AM] tanda#0000 It comes complete with its own COGC, so you can speed up your extraction rate by 25% [13-Apr-25 11:37 AM] tanda#0000 CF is real thin currently. Could be good money sticking a few SME on that for anyone already on Deimos {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361017520009511073/image.png?ex=6814f4d7&is=6813a357&hm=d91ee588108b29699bf8e30bd9b9ed8c9720f10c586aa4265d34fce9462117af& [13-Apr-25 11:38 AM] tanda#0000 I consume 12/day and don't make my own, so I'll be hitting the CX for it [13-Apr-25 11:41 AM] tanda#0000 well that's something {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361018400905625661/image.png?ex=6814f5a9&is=6813a429&hm=3ebde2df31cbc3747e0e2f85353a722314db4e3af466f0c9b42d65224b203bd5& [13-Apr-25 11:46 AM] pagy1234#0000 ummmm [13-Apr-25 11:46 AM] pagy1234#0000 LTA is cooked [13-Apr-25 11:47 AM] pagy1234#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361019878445809694/Screenshot_2025-04-14_at_12.46.59_AM.png?ex=6814f709&is=6813a589&hm=153a7ca34aae506f4a9851decd8dbb77ee8f1c56f83e3a1ed58c360f32321bbf& [13-Apr-25 11:47 AM] tanda#0000 yeah, LFABs as a whole are not in a good place right now [13-Apr-25 11:47 AM] laaxus#0000 dw [13-Apr-25 11:47 AM] tanda#0000 people are literally just churning out LBH and LSE because it's cheap and easy [13-Apr-25 11:47 AM] laaxus#0000 I have like 1500 lta entering the market soon [13-Apr-25 11:48 AM] pagy1234#0000 yay :D [13-Apr-25 11:48 AM] laaxus#0000 for a time, I was the only producer willing to sell at my prices [13-Apr-25 11:48 AM] laaxus#0000 and now there's many people willing to sell below my price [13-Apr-25 11:48 AM] laaxus#0000 at least for lbh [13-Apr-25 11:48 AM] laaxus#0000 I am a little bit confused [13-Apr-25 11:49 AM] pagy1234#0000 but LTA is still underproduced? [13-Apr-25 11:49 AM] pagy1234#0000 is it because of GL? [13-Apr-25 11:49 AM] laaxus#0000 ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [13-Apr-25 11:49 AM] laaxus#0000 anyway, I'll put a lot of lta at 4k AIC, quite soonish [13-Apr-25 11:50 AM] laaxus#0000 I have 3 PP2 bases producing LTA ๐Ÿ˜„ [13-Apr-25 11:50 AM] pagy1234#0000 lol [13-Apr-25 11:50 AM] pagy1234#0000 how much is that per day? [13-Apr-25 11:50 AM] tanda#0000 it's a lot [13-Apr-25 11:50 AM] laaxus#0000 250 [13-Apr-25 11:51 AM] laaxus#0000 LMAOOOOOOOOOO {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361020945363632294/image.png?ex=6814f807&is=6813a687&hm=a95b7972f0bea5bbe595c11b511245240adaa105098712fbd74e8f706cdcedff& [13-Apr-25 11:51 AM] pagy1234#0000 hahahaha [13-Apr-25 11:52 AM] tanda#0000 oh yeah, you're the only one really making it [13-Apr-25 11:52 AM] pagy1234#0000 how are the other CX's even running?? [13-Apr-25 11:53 AM] laaxus#0000 they aren't [13-Apr-25 11:54 AM] tanda#0000 barring HRT, there's just a ton of built up stock {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361021660395999622/image.png?ex=6814f8b2&is=6813a732&hm=7f57542c448939710627b83a8b50a288afb6097ab5ceb553c2288256d3149730& [13-Apr-25 11:54 AM] laaxus#0000 Antares is the cheapest place for fabs [13-Apr-25 11:54 AM] laaxus#0000 by far [13-Apr-25 11:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 lowkey, lowstrife should buy out all the LFABs in the universe [13-Apr-25 11:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 like he actually could [13-Apr-25 11:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 there isnt THAT much stock i dont think [13-Apr-25 11:59 AM] tanda#0000 that doesn't really benefit him, though [13-Apr-25 12:01 PM] pagy1234#0000 could resell it all I guess [13-Apr-25 12:02 PM] pagy1234#0000 especially outside of ANT [13-Apr-25 12:14 PM] laaxus#0000 nah [13-Apr-25 12:14 PM] laaxus#0000 it wouldn't do any good [13-Apr-25 12:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m 4th on the leaderboard ๐Ÿฅบ [13-Apr-25 01:43 PM] getonthetrain#0000 @Market Alerts FE is toast {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361049112937496758/image.png?ex=68151243&is=6813c0c3&hm=86d39e68ad83e620843feaa57c6a31c619b643d43797576331da69f7f18ae31c& [13-Apr-25 01:43 PM] pxlfox.#0000 ooh [13-Apr-25 01:43 PM] pxlfox.#0000 how did that happen so fast? [13-Apr-25 01:44 PM] laaxus#0000 I mean, FE is pretty irrelevant [13-Apr-25 01:44 PM] laaxus#0000 STL matters a lot more [13-Apr-25 01:45 PM] laaxus#0000 There's a large stock of feo [13-Apr-25 01:45 PM] laaxus#0000 it'll be fine [13-Apr-25 01:53 PM] jcheung#0000 i need FE ๐Ÿ˜“ [13-Apr-25 02:04 PM] tanda#0000 same boat [13-Apr-25 02:05 PM] laaxus#0000 put a large bid and message on deimos [13-Apr-25 02:05 PM] laaxus#0000 it will be filled in no time [13-Apr-25 02:12 PM] tanda#0000 This is my issue with doing that {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361056354420396313/image.png?ex=68151902&is=6813c782&hm=d68928aa89671143d1b999d9899a3375c65b145a3fb18fb86bf5b2c21db7fafa& [13-Apr-25 02:12 PM] tanda#0000 importing 1 FE increases its price by like 78/unit, meaning that it's a hell of a lot cheaper to just import it [13-Apr-25 02:12 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 then import it [13-Apr-25 02:12 PM] tanda#0000 I have multiple times, but that doesn't fix the market, lol [13-Apr-25 02:13 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 true [13-Apr-25 02:13 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Sounds like my signal... [13-Apr-25 02:18 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Time to extract resources and such... [13-Apr-25 02:34 PM] tanda#0000 Alright, that's a bit better price parity {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361061898476585000/image.png?ex=6814756b&is=681323eb&hm=04283721c4f031241106627a9ef2617d1beace2ee2d9fc96a04aca0f4d7b3685& [13-Apr-25 02:34 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 good lord [13-Apr-25 02:34 PM] tanda#0000 in case anyone's interested, I need some inter-CX shipping. Pays 30k per load [13-Apr-25 02:34 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 40k and i'll ship it from BEN ๐Ÿ‘€ [13-Apr-25 02:35 PM] tanda#0000 nah, Darkfuel and Yulun will grab it in a heartbeat [13-Apr-25 02:35 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 was worth a try :pepe_shrug: [13-Apr-25 02:57 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 one shipment is away, i would've fit more but those were 3k1k and I had an HCB ๐Ÿ™‚ And I got to ship AMM [13-Apr-25 03:09 PM] tanda#0000 I'm not really factoring in HCBs yet, they're kinda awkward to plan for on LM ads {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [13-Apr-25 03:11 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm gonna take one [13-Apr-25 03:11 PM] tanda#0000 awesome, thank you [13-Apr-25 03:26 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Why? Just make 1k t/m contracts [13-Apr-25 03:26 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 That way all kind of non starter ships can ship your stuff [13-Apr-25 03:27 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 WCB, VCB, HCB [13-Apr-25 03:27 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 And LCB ofc [13-Apr-25 03:27 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I always make 1k t/m conts now to make sure anyone can ship my things [13-Apr-25 03:31 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Plus making multiple shipping ads on the LM is super easy [13-Apr-25 06:24 PM] evov#0000 Copy on the CF shortage. I think I can help with supply. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361119996855582790/image.png?ex=6814ab87&is=68135a07&hm=6c5a94ca256d16ae6ad7a870cb47248d8602cd1ce05131f80ab5d3c41328a6c4& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’€ (2) [13-Apr-25 06:27 PM] evov#0000 I don't have a lot, but I'll try to help stabilize it. [13-Apr-25 10:54 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/hand-rise-arm-rise-arm-raise-masterlooser15-god-gif-22231147 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/hand-rise-arm-rise-arm-raise-masterlooser15-god-gif-22231147 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/LNNhQZgPiepmp5zV7soXoBqZB_xc8GLfs12cFpHMA10/https/media.tenor.com/L7H01Gkwt9kAAAAe/hand-rise-arm-rise.png [13-Apr-25 11:54 PM] finestone#0000 I mean if people are buying it's not irrel to them . . . [13-Apr-25 11:56 PM] laaxus#0000 True enough [14-Apr-25 12:28 AM] jab.sh#0000 would be neat if they were 6k [14-Apr-25 12:40 AM] zillatron#0000 Out of curiosity, How many PP2 bases do you have? [14-Apr-25 01:04 AM] laaxus#0000 3 {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [14-Apr-25 01:05 AM] zillatron#0000 thats a lot of fabs :blobsweats: [14-Apr-25 01:07 AM] laaxus#0000 i was in holidays {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ ๐ŸŒˆ [14-Apr-25 01:07 AM] laaxus#0000 LTA is the only recipe that doesn't require shipping every 3 days [14-Apr-25 01:25 AM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ผ [14-Apr-25 01:25 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s a lot of AL [14-Apr-25 02:38 AM] pxlfox.#0000 There isn't really [14-Apr-25 02:38 AM] pxlfox.#0000 A full SME base eats up around 350 ore per day [14-Apr-25 02:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 market provides for a week with reasonable prices [14-Apr-25 02:43 AM] pxlfox.#0000 800 is roughly the 50k profit/day mark (with CX ore at 140/u) [14-Apr-25 02:45 AM] pxlfox.#0000 950 / FE when FEO rises up to 250/u [14-Apr-25 02:46 AM] pxlfox.#0000 and 1,000 when FEO goes up to the currently highest ask of 300 [14-Apr-25 02:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Thinking about it - itโ€™s not too bad, but I think CX canโ€™t handle more then 2 full SME bases atm [14-Apr-25 02:55 AM] evov#0000 And how much supply of new FE to the market do you think the demand side of the CX can handle? [14-Apr-25 02:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I dont have a good feeling for that, since Im currently not trading with FE. And Iโ€™m not really good in interpreting order books and price charts ๐Ÿ˜… [14-Apr-25 02:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Let me look at the dataโ€ฆ [14-Apr-25 02:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 We have an average of 300 FE traded per day in the last 14 days [14-Apr-25 03:00 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Price went mostly horizontal in the last 30d and had a spike yesterday, probably when TRU noticed the deficit [14-Apr-25 03:00 AM] pxlfox.#0000 We have a slight under supply in the books, but nothing major [14-Apr-25 03:01 AM] pxlfox.#0000 So maybe 1 base would be sufficient, I guess [14-Apr-25 03:01 AM] pxlfox.#0000 2 would probably start to bring the price down [14-Apr-25 03:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 A SME base can churn out 200 FE / day [14-Apr-25 03:19 AM] laaxus#0000 i haven't investigated the probelm [14-Apr-25 03:20 AM] laaxus#0000 i'll let you do that {Reactions} โค๏ธ [14-Apr-25 03:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 My pleasure {Reactions} โค๏ธ ๐Ÿ‘†๐Ÿฝ [14-Apr-25 09:57 AM] laaxus#0000 If anybody hasn't got a hal base on Halcyon, now is the Time [14-Apr-25 09:57 AM] laaxus#0000 CL gonna become the most stable income in the universe [14-Apr-25 09:59 AM] realharvey#0000 if too many people jump on that train it wont be for long ^^ [14-Apr-25 10:00 AM] laaxus#0000 There's only one HAL base in antares [14-Apr-25 10:00 AM] laaxus#0000 And prices are still rising [14-Apr-25 10:15 AM] realharvey#0000 Doesn't loook to bad on the HAL side of things {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361359308595396648/image.png?ex=6814e1a8&is=68139028&hm=240f0d3b5429be614599ed689440b7467cb83af02f2db43667cdfb08feeca319& [14-Apr-25 10:17 AM] laaxus#0000 Because I tried and failed to stabilize the price [14-Apr-25 10:17 AM] laaxus#0000 Look at cl [14-Apr-25 10:17 AM] realharvey#0000 CL Demand hasn't risen and it looks like the market is slowly catching up already to the demand that is present. (probably a few people left) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361359610153537656/image.png?ex=6814e1ef&is=6813906f&hm=343e7b1d2d3081213e43344537e1b0124ad310610ed504424cfca6010d975e62& [14-Apr-25 10:18 AM] laaxus#0000 I still believe there's a shortage of around 10 CL bases, at minima [14-Apr-25 10:18 AM] laaxus#0000 Ok maybe not 10 [14-Apr-25 10:18 AM] laaxus#0000 But still [14-Apr-25 10:19 AM] laaxus#0000 We will see [14-Apr-25 11:02 AM] marat_sh#0000 I don't think there is [14-Apr-25 11:02 AM] marat_sh#0000 CL is good for internal use [14-Apr-25 11:02 AM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361371146884219121/image.png?ex=6814ecae&is=68139b2e&hm=31a37c5ff650aa176e8f31b836f5b915f2843e502448658538703aae2217caa9& [14-Apr-25 11:03 AM] marat_sh#0000 DDT is a bit overpriced but we are getting there [14-Apr-25 11:03 AM] harkenn#0000 (I see it on github, now, @razenpok sorry to have wound up getting you pinged) [14-Apr-25 11:03 AM] realharvey#0000 My estimate is about 1-2 Bases maybe. It goes downhill pretty fast since CL isnt selling as quickly [14-Apr-25 11:04 AM] marat_sh#0000 it goes down if people run a small CL deficit [14-Apr-25 11:04 AM] razenpok#0000 @harkenn https://github.com/refined-prun/refined-prun Accepts all contributions. I'm lagging behind in merging outstanding PRs. Will answer more questions after I read all the drama in the main PrUn Discord {Embed} https://github.com/refined-prun/refined-prun GitHub - refined-prun/refined-prun Contribute to refined-prun/refined-prun development by creating an account on GitHub. [14-Apr-25 11:04 AM] razenpok#0000 ๐Ÿƒโ€โ™‚๏ธ [14-Apr-25 11:05 AM] realharvey#0000 WAIT THERE IS DRAMA? Point me to it [14-Apr-25 11:05 AM] razenpok#0000 Ooooooo [14-Apr-25 11:05 AM] harkenn#0000 Noooooo, its written in Vue! (Is PrUn written in Vue too?). I guess its an opportunity to get out of React for something that's a good use of engineering time. [14-Apr-25 11:06 AM] razenpok#0000 https://discord.com/channels/350171287785701388/350171288267915277/1361322203442053270 [14-Apr-25 11:06 AM] razenpok#0000 Start here [14-Apr-25 11:07 AM] razenpok#0000 It ramps up after Mast3rd3mon joins the talk [14-Apr-25 11:07 AM] razenpok#0000 Here: https://discord.com/channels/350171287785701388/350171288267915277/1361347145944273158 [14-Apr-25 11:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 TL:TD; people are sad, that their IDCs wonโ€™t be that good anymore {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [14-Apr-25 11:08 AM] realharvey#0000 thanks for the pointers! [14-Apr-25 11:16 AM] laaxus#0000 If you're right then apple + pxlfox New bases should be enough for Prices to go down [14-Apr-25 11:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 im putting up another base on origo probably tmr [14-Apr-25 11:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 but inputs wont arrive for like, 2 days [14-Apr-25 11:28 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Price already seems to go down. Weโ€™ll need maybe a week or two more to be certain [14-Apr-25 11:29 AM] jab.sh#0000 huh is NC1's market that much bigger than AI1? [14-Apr-25 11:29 AM] laaxus#0000 Except CL demand will increase as CL Price goes down [14-Apr-25 11:29 AM] laaxus#0000 Currently, PG is much more profitable than epo [14-Apr-25 11:30 AM] laaxus#0000 This will change as CL Price goes down [14-Apr-25 11:30 AM] laaxus#0000 So don't worry about it, 2 CL base won't be enough for CL ask to go low [14-Apr-25 11:31 AM] realharvey#0000 in my experience the following happens: A price rises, Commodity XY gets very profitable. A lot of people jump on that bandwagon and also produce it. It gets overproduced. Price goes down and people repurpose their bases before the low price increases the demand and ramps up production needing that mat [14-Apr-25 11:37 AM] jcheung#0000 Well [14-Apr-25 11:37 AM] jcheung#0000 I've been thinking about shuttering my idc base [14-Apr-25 11:37 AM] jcheung#0000 This kinda will speed up the process [14-Apr-25 11:37 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Now you can/should? [14-Apr-25 11:38 AM] jcheung#0000 Hmmmm [14-Apr-25 11:38 AM] jcheung#0000 Mildly annoying, just bought repair mats for it [14-Apr-25 11:45 AM] realharvey#0000 Welll.. what do I do with the rest of my phobos base now? [14-Apr-25 11:46 AM] realharvey#0000 quite a few people are probably going to repurpose their electronicsbase [14-Apr-25 11:46 AM] realharvey#0000 or do you guess they just remove that permit? [14-Apr-25 11:46 AM] laaxus#0000 I'll keep my IDC bases [14-Apr-25 11:46 AM] laaxus#0000 I have only 2 of them [14-Apr-25 11:46 AM] laaxus#0000 they'll still be profitable after the nerf, which will happens in full force in 7 weeks [14-Apr-25 11:53 AM] jcheung#0000 i'm taking mine down, i might put up another electronics in ant space [14-Apr-25 11:54 AM] jcheung#0000 trip to MOR kinda sucked [14-Apr-25 11:56 AM] pagy1234#0000 Farming :D [14-Apr-25 11:56 AM] pagy1234#0000 HER is decent [14-Apr-25 11:56 AM] pagy1234#0000 its only 50-60k/d on phobos but the universe needs HER [14-Apr-25 11:56 AM] harkenn#0000 Follow the spice [14-Apr-25 11:56 AM] laaxus#0000 The correct answer is using phobos as supplier for another MM [14-Apr-25 11:56 AM] laaxus#0000 demand will dramatically go down, but we will see [14-Apr-25 11:57 AM] laaxus#0000 I think HER will stabilize around 3000, which is still very nice [14-Apr-25 11:57 AM] pagy1234#0000 theres a bunch of electrnoic items needed for AIR/WR/LIS [14-Apr-25 12:37 PM] realharvey#0000 so many messages. Oh boy. I lost interest when there have been discussions about high taxes again ๐Ÿ˜‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [14-Apr-25 12:39 PM] jcheung#0000 i think i'm going to move my HQ to chemistry {Reactions} danceboi [14-Apr-25 12:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think that's Master~~bater's~~demon's shtick [14-Apr-25 01:08 PM] harkenn#0000 How useful are faction rep points as a new player? [14-Apr-25 01:09 PM] harkenn#0000 Worth doing the quests for, even at a loss (science exploration one is the one I'm running numbers for atm)? [14-Apr-25 01:09 PM] laaxus#0000 they're bragging points [14-Apr-25 01:09 PM] laaxus#0000 the same as karma for reddit [14-Apr-25 01:09 PM] laaxus#0000 they don't do anything [14-Apr-25 01:09 PM] laaxus#0000 ignore them [14-Apr-25 01:09 PM] laaxus#0000 most quest are at a loss [14-Apr-25 01:10 PM] laaxus#0000 be sure to take only the one that profitable [14-Apr-25 01:10 PM] laaxus#0000 or doing some along other trips [14-Apr-25 01:10 PM] laaxus#0000 personally, I disabled them [14-Apr-25 01:11 PM] jcheung#0000 currently it's epeen. i wouldn't do them if it's too much of a loss, but some people just farm it [14-Apr-25 02:15 PM] razenpok#0000 So Yes, rprun is written in Vue, but fun fact: in the beginning, I was developing it in React. I have quite some experience in Vue (one of the developers of Antimatter Dimensions, https://store.steampowered.com/app/1399720/Antimatter_Dimensions/), but I wanted to try something new, so I picked React because the PrUn itself is a React app. Idk, it was a weak point, but I went with it. After a month, I figured out that either I was doing something wrong with React, or React itself was giving me shit, because the code was getting more and more complex without much reason. So, I switched to Vue, and many things got simpler. In the current state, refined prun is not a pure Vue app but rather a soup of direct DOM manipulations via mini-features (like item icons) and a multitude of Vue mini-apps (mainly XIT commands). It won't give you a good example of how Vue apps should be made if you are looking for that. {Embed} https://store.steampowered.com/app/1399720/Antimatter_Dimensions/), Antimatter Dimensions Antimatter Dimensions is a highly unfolding Idle Incremental game with multiple layers of unlocks, prestige, and achievements\. The basic goal is to reach Infinity and receive an Infinity point, which can be spent on various upgrades to increase your overall production\. After Infinity the game has just begun, as there are much, much more to discovโ€ฆ https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/8ExqVH_bR2yRDyNUphskTu5HOpuwYZNoG35pAI7NE2A/%3Ft%3D1671837279/https/shared.akamai.steamstatic.com/store_item_assets/steam/apps/1399720/header.jpg {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ โค๏ธ [14-Apr-25 02:15 PM] razenpok#0000 Here's the best comparison between Vue and React I've seen so far, and it resonates with my experience with them {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361419693436571779/image.png?ex=681519e4&is=6813c864&hm=ea02bed333eef934d8e5411b93e2e4236240ebf8685cf695f2221d1b3606d02b& [14-Apr-25 02:17 PM] harkenn#0000 Eh, so I take it back then. Sounds like it would be working in vue without any actual useful experience in how vue apps are typically deisgned. Less than ideal to hear; too bad I wasn't around when you first started it, I could've helped you figure out what the issue you were facing at that time was, no worries though. [14-Apr-25 02:18 PM] harkenn#0000 But I appreciate the update, and will still plan on taking a look around at how its all tied together to see if / how I might contribute, having not worked in Vue for any large projects. [14-Apr-25 02:19 PM] razenpok#0000 The classNames was one of the things that me want to delete the project {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361420669388067058/image.png?ex=6814720d&is=6813208d&hm=4055e0915fb79b12364e028c7bf35617e596b44ed6a2a2dfb2ea54261240beb2& [14-Apr-25 02:20 PM] razenpok#0000 Why React doesn't accept an array of strings as a class in jsx??? [14-Apr-25 02:21 PM] razenpok#0000 I can do this in Vue and it just works {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361421041196601454/image.png?ex=68147266&is=681320e6&hm=71dd999a05a3fcd2fac8ba7619f23e875ce9227d4eb72c1517201ceba5f91413& [14-Apr-25 02:22 PM] razenpok#0000 Feel free to open PRs or issues, I'll help with questions if you have them [14-Apr-25 02:22 PM] razenpok#0000 Or just ping me in Discord [14-Apr-25 02:22 PM] harkenn#0000 > Why React doesn't accept an array of strings as a class in jsx??? JSX itself doesn't allow it; and as to why that's the case I've never bothered to look into the various proposals over the years where facebook engineers of the time debated the implementation. The typical solution is to use the `classnames` package, which adds other rather useful features like conditionally applying classes via in-lined logic. [14-Apr-25 02:23 PM] harkenn#0000 https://github.com/facebook/react/issues/20050 is the most recent time I found that has links to some of the historical proposals (see bvaughn's response) {Embed} https://github.com/facebook/react/issues/20050 Feature Proposal: className can be an array of class names strings ... Description The current className prop on any JSX element takes only a string, that is supposed to be the class name to add to the corresponding element. This prop expects a string which makes it v... [14-Apr-25 02:23 PM] realharvey#0000 #associate-offtopic I always wanted to this for once. ๐Ÿ˜‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) ๐Ÿคฃ [14-Apr-25 03:01 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 @archielvahr hello, can you direct me to who made changes to taiyi's map to make OOG's gateway planning map? [14-Apr-25 03:02 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I wanted to know how you guys are computing straight line distance. does each node have 3d coords? And also where can i find the map's data [14-Apr-25 03:02 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 nvm i found fio api for system links and systems themselves [14-Apr-25 03:35 PM] archielvahr#0000 That was me. And yup the distances are from the 3d Fio coordinates. {Reactions} โค๏ธ [14-Apr-25 03:36 PM] archielvahr#0000 They have been verified against the test server values. [14-Apr-25 03:48 PM] jab.sh#0000 huh they do exist {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361443119245037588/screenshot_20250414144840.png?ex=681486f6&is=68133576&hm=cd8573c5e5d233848b2bd8b48e799944998a215c0a27f5d1c272d4d03fb41b61& [14-Apr-25 06:45 PM] tanda#0000 Anyone looking into getting out of IDC, do you guys want to make WAI instead? [14-Apr-25 06:45 PM] tanda#0000 SD bases are way cheap, and I have SEs on both Malahat and Phobos [14-Apr-25 06:45 PM] tanda#0000 could do a vertical integration on those planets and churn out some WAI for sale [14-Apr-25 07:04 PM] zillatron#0000 Feels like a lottt of people are going to get into WAI (which is good, just not for me) :blobsweats: [14-Apr-25 07:05 PM] tanda#0000 it's one of the few ways that makes sense. And the universe is going to need a lot of it [14-Apr-25 07:05 PM] tanda#0000 another way is going to SNMs, at least [14-Apr-25 07:09 PM] zillatron#0000 i should have said i dont have any IDC/EDC bases so I'm probably not the target for this question haha [14-Apr-25 07:10 PM] zillatron#0000 there's lots more viable options now. its a really good change imo [14-Apr-25 07:11 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I'm in the middle of seeing how I can repurpose my current bases or pivot to a different production system [14-Apr-25 07:11 PM] tanda#0000 I love it, I don't see why anyone quit over these changes >.> [14-Apr-25 07:11 PM] tanda#0000 https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-finally-good-food-chef-gif-11616250 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-finally-good-food-chef-gif-11616250 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/7VvLvfyt0av7qtUWnaHP4HUdHW88lHt-Blum9MKyDFI/https/media.tenor.com/Ff9pqUUQj0oAAAAe/gordon-ramsay-finally.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [14-Apr-25 07:12 PM] zillatron#0000 "i painted myself into a corner now the consequences of my actions have arrived i am unhappy and will quit playing the game" [14-Apr-25 07:16 PM] jcheung#0000 wacha want wai for [14-Apr-25 07:17 PM] jcheung#0000 it's called "i don't know how to diversify so if something changes i'm fucked" {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [14-Apr-25 07:19 PM] tanda#0000 WAI is in a ton of the top MM's now {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [14-Apr-25 07:20 PM] tanda#0000 AIR/LOG/NV1/NV2 [14-Apr-25 07:20 PM] tanda#0000 a couple others too [14-Apr-25 07:21 PM] tanda#0000 so now SL's are just a step on the chain, not the end of it [14-Apr-25 07:21 PM] manhim#0000 Yeah, I'd like to look into this with the new MM prices [14-Apr-25 07:36 PM] pagy1234#0000 10 bases in 88 days ๐Ÿ˜› {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361500278280683590/Screenshot_2025-04-15_at_8.35.18_AM.png?ex=6814bc31&is=68136ab1&hm=7b558f365eab5000dee53bea1e6b3f92cf5e63d3607d0da4ac79a7887f2c9fe1& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ ๐Ÿ‘†๐Ÿฝ ๐ŸŒˆ [14-Apr-25 07:43 PM] potaterror#0000 Depending on how things shake out in a couple months I might be game. [14-Apr-25 07:44 PM] jcheung#0000 oh, huh. WAI isn't that hard to make iirc [14-Apr-25 07:44 PM] tanda#0000 no, but a full base of WAI needs 5 feeder bases, lol [14-Apr-25 07:44 PM] tanda#0000 just ran up against that hard fact [14-Apr-25 07:44 PM] jcheung#0000 well [14-Apr-25 07:45 PM] jcheung#0000 you don't have to do pure WAI [14-Apr-25 07:45 PM] tanda#0000 sure, you could make IDC, but then we're back at square one [14-Apr-25 07:45 PM] jcheung#0000 there's some other electronic stuff that you can make without feeder base [14-Apr-25 07:45 PM] jcheung#0000 that you need for WAI [14-Apr-25 07:45 PM] potaterror#0000 I started as a WIN producer and then kind of slid into MEA out of circumstance and was in the process of dropping a couple IDC bases before downsizing some of my food operations, just to keep a low-volatility income stream ripping. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [14-Apr-25 07:45 PM] tanda#0000 This is why I have EDC bases [14-Apr-25 07:46 PM] tanda#0000 so if things get slow I can just sell some EDC to keep solvent [14-Apr-25 07:46 PM] potaterror#0000 So now I'm debating whether it is worth it to just do that or do something else, but even after my reorganization I'll be making enough MEA/WIN to keep 3 SL bases rolling. [14-Apr-25 07:47 PM] tanda#0000 I really do think WAI is probably going to sell pretty well due to how many of these MMs it's part of [14-Apr-25 07:47 PM] tanda#0000 but it's also not going to stay as expensive as it is right now either [14-Apr-25 07:47 PM] finestone#0000 is there a list of the MM changes? [14-Apr-25 07:47 PM] tanda#0000 https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/market-maker-changes-may-5th-2025/6983 {Embed} https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/market-maker-changes-may-5th-2025/6983 Market Maker Changes (May 5th, 2025) When? We plan to adjust market maker prices on May 5th, 2025. What? Based on @lowstrifeโ€™s detailed feedback combined with our own judgement and taking near-future recipe plans into account, weโ€™ll adjust the prices at which market makers buy commodities as follows: ADR: 58000 โ†’ 70000 AIR: 185000 โ†’ 200000 CBL: 91000 โ†’ 91000 CBM: 63000... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/x0Lcv9Tc0WstLZAut1pc9Cply1Z-ZpDJ_X3qJLQ4S_k/https/com.prosperousuniverse.com/uploads/default/original/1X/9637dadda95e302d05ebee320ec8473189637a64.jpg [14-Apr-25 07:48 PM] potaterror#0000 @finestone Did you accidentally fuck up a bunch of MEA on NC.1 earlier? [14-Apr-25 07:49 PM] finestone#0000 dont think so i dont buy MEA [14-Apr-25 07:49 PM] finestone#0000 IDC/EDC NERF praise the heavens [14-Apr-25 07:50 PM] potaterror#0000 I thought I saw you list a ton of MEA at like...1 credit. [14-Apr-25 07:50 PM] potaterror#0000 Only caught a glimpse before it vanished so maybe I'm mistaken. [14-Apr-25 07:50 PM] finestone#0000 negative dont sell MEA either [14-Apr-25 07:53 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Someone left the game [14-Apr-25 07:54 PM] tanda#0000 Frentic? [14-Apr-25 07:55 PM] jcheung#0000 i wouldn't be shocked if more than one [14-Apr-25 07:56 PM] tanda#0000 and here WAI's about to spike hugely in demand [14-Apr-25 07:56 PM] tanda#0000 short-sighted [14-Apr-25 07:57 PM] potaterror#0000 Isn't hard to see how a shift like this would cause someone already on the fence to just go "Eh, nah, I don't feel like messing with a reorg" [14-Apr-25 07:57 PM] evov#0000 I'm not sure if that's true that we're about to see a massive spike in WAI demand... but if it is... I won't complain. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361505781283028992/image.png?ex=6814c151&is=68136fd1&hm=01826585f1b86054f671977bd1494b2209c609089b0dd9367b9f871bcdb4b587& [14-Apr-25 07:58 PM] tanda#0000 I'm sure you've taken a look at the new top MM's by now? [14-Apr-25 07:58 PM] tanda#0000 Most of them (barring drones) use WAI at some stage [14-Apr-25 07:59 PM] evov#0000 I did take a look at them. From my perspective, AIR is the only relevant one that uses WAI. [14-Apr-25 07:59 PM] finestone#0000 easy RED flip if you 6m+ sittinf around EVO [14-Apr-25 07:59 PM] evov#0000 The thing with MM's .... due to unlimited demand, what ends up happening is everyone flocks to the top 2 or 3 options. Everything below that.. the MM price is largely irrelevant over time. [14-Apr-25 08:00 PM] jcheung#0000 well, if the top 2-3 are complex chains [14-Apr-25 08:00 PM] tanda#0000 I do wish LIS were closer to the top [14-Apr-25 08:00 PM] jcheung#0000 then it'll make it a lot nicer [14-Apr-25 08:00 PM] tanda#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/855489711635431475/1361356071179911229 [14-Apr-25 08:00 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361506530020687963/image.png?ex=6814c204&is=68137084&hm=0b3a148bf1d1ac9e22408a3ed0038070832095d207ddc2cfb5ea80eedf214662& [14-Apr-25 08:00 PM] finestone#0000 There will always be a meta devs just have to mix it up from time to time. [14-Apr-25 08:01 PM] tanda#0000 Good summary of it in that image [14-Apr-25 08:01 PM] evov#0000 I think (again, just a very preliminary look) - AIR looks interesting, drones look interesting. LOG and Capacitor banks look like they might be interesting. [14-Apr-25 08:01 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I was looking at LOG but got intimidated by BMF, lol [14-Apr-25 08:01 PM] tanda#0000 halfway tempted to just start making BMF to sell, honestly [14-Apr-25 08:02 PM] evov#0000 LOG and Capacitor banks haven't changed. They've always been "viable" imo. But with IDC/EDC getting removed... they just float closer to the top by proxy [14-Apr-25 08:02 PM] finestone#0000 yeah i been making CBS for a while now [14-Apr-25 09:49 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 https://prosperousturnip.com/post/3025/04/14-exquisite-dining/ {Embed} https://prosperousturnip.com/post/3025/04/14-exquisite-dining/ Emergency MED Packs Declared "Surprisingly Edible" As AI1 Faces Foo... Bureau for Advancement and Regulation of Food (BARF) Issues Stern Warning https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/SlheMFAgaK3ZDn6CHDdrpAcYRg2enaGR6JF_sT7zNao/https/prosperousturnip.com/img/prop-turnip-ad.png [14-Apr-25 09:53 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I have been featured :D [14-Apr-25 09:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Lol who writes these [14-Apr-25 09:58 PM] tanda#0000 AI, mostly [14-Apr-25 09:58 PM] tanda#0000 it is heavily edited by the actual publishers, from what I understand [14-Apr-25 10:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Hmm [14-Apr-25 10:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 How do they pick their โ€œtargetsโ€? [14-Apr-25 10:05 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 The article answers that [14-Apr-25 10:05 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 ๐Ÿ•ต๏ธโ€โ™‚๏ธ [14-Apr-25 10:05 PM] tanda#0000 IDK, but Razenpok is a favorite for them to poke at by this point [14-Apr-25 10:06 PM] tanda#0000 to be fair, Razenpok's a minor celebrity at this point too [14-Apr-25 10:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol fair [14-Apr-25 10:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well friendly metals never doesnโ€™t anything unfriendly so [14-Apr-25 10:10 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Sorry what ๐Ÿ˜… [14-Apr-25 11:19 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 @tanda just lurking [15-Apr-25 12:09 AM] .urpalhal#0000 There wonโ€™t be anything bad to write so weโ€™re good [15-Apr-25 12:37 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Pretty confident huh [15-Apr-25 01:11 AM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [15-Apr-25 01:12 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Weโ€™re friendly metals after all [15-Apr-25 02:26 AM] razenpok#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183249253439639592/1360009629060304998 Well, this article stems from this interaction {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361603645518512188/image.png?ex=681473b6&is=68132236&hm=97b4300b3b581eccbf668886def3533c9e8c25f722ff4b8fcd40826fc56bcf2a& [15-Apr-25 02:27 AM] razenpok#0000 It means we have a :RAT: in our ranks {Reactions} ๐Ÿ€ (2) [15-Apr-25 02:27 AM] razenpok#0000 ๐Ÿ•ต๏ธ [15-Apr-25 02:43 AM] vanarazor#0000 33 [15-Apr-25 03:01 AM] pxlfox.#0000 weird, that the article misspelled KoM the same way Aaron did in his message ๐Ÿค” {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [15-Apr-25 03:56 AM] vanarazor#0000 I finally read the article.. Dude someone is _spilling the beans_. I find it good fun [15-Apr-25 04:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 tbf some one probably just took a simmilar screenshot and told chat gpt to write something about it [15-Apr-25 04:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 (im assuming that some AI is making those stories, considering how absurd they are) [15-Apr-25 04:04 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Maybe [15-Apr-25 04:26 AM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361633878757871749/image.png?ex=68148fde&is=68133e5e&hm=2a8de42eded7a64f5c05d1936183d2658a2b1c86e18128a2730c550b0816cfe0& [15-Apr-25 04:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh yeah, so probably just threw the SS in there [15-Apr-25 08:13 AM] harkenn#0000 Accepted a contract that has the first step as "provisioning of 2 units of whatever" with a 7 day count down. Does that mean I'm supposed to buy / acquire it from one of the exchanges? [15-Apr-25 08:14 AM] harkenn#0000 (I didn't initially think so, considering "provision" would be a terrible word for that, but I'm not sure what else it might've meant) [15-Apr-25 08:25 AM] jvaler#0000 you can, doesn't matter where it comes from [15-Apr-25 08:25 AM] jvaler#0000 just needs to be provisioned =P [15-Apr-25 08:48 AM] keremcozin#0000 thanks for the heads up, and @laaxus you too mate {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [15-Apr-25 10:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 Peak efficiency๐Ÿ’ช {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361724871712968754/Screenshot_2025-04-15_at_11.28.02_PM.png?ex=6814e49d&is=6813931d&hm=07634fb74f88c77e6104e3b4fe28abf19a8b37ec0ef2496f2045afcdafddcee8& [15-Apr-25 10:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 setup makes about 340k profit a day alone {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [15-Apr-25 10:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 pretty insane [15-Apr-25 10:31 AM] laaxus#0000 i'm personally using demeter [15-Apr-25 10:31 AM] laaxus#0000 but yeah, same thing [15-Apr-25 10:31 AM] laaxus#0000 ๐Ÿ”ฅ [15-Apr-25 10:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 with demeter and harmonia you are able to supply a full fim base right? [15-Apr-25 10:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 im just barely not able too because of phobos having wrong CoGC D : [15-Apr-25 10:38 AM] laaxus#0000 yep [15-Apr-25 10:39 AM] pagy1234#0000 bleh, i still gotta buy about 5-10 HER per day [15-Apr-25 10:49 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 The article literally reads who was overheard reporting the whole thing to BARF [15-Apr-25 10:50 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 ๐Ÿคญ [15-Apr-25 11:03 AM] jab.sh#0000 why are IDC/EDC even in the game? they feel like an engineering/debug test that got left in [15-Apr-25 11:04 AM] laaxus#0000 to fight deflation [15-Apr-25 11:05 AM] laaxus#0000 that's the point of MM [15-Apr-25 11:05 AM] jab.sh#0000 sure but why IDC/EDC specifically [15-Apr-25 11:05 AM] jab.sh#0000 sounds like they encourage inflation if it's free money [15-Apr-25 11:06 AM] laaxus#0000 they were way too profitable, everybody agrees on that [15-Apr-25 11:06 AM] laaxus#0000 the new price is fair [15-Apr-25 11:08 AM] jab.sh#0000 I don't think you're seeing my point. why is there a recipe in the game that requires zero inputs that you can just make forever and sell at a fixed price, a price that's higher than the cost of inputs? [15-Apr-25 11:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 to counter deflation [15-Apr-25 11:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 otherwise all the games money would dissapear into ask MM's [15-Apr-25 11:10 AM] laaxus#0000 EXT bases exists [15-Apr-25 11:10 AM] jab.sh#0000 I think I read your response wrong ๐Ÿ˜„ I interpreted it as fight inflation. to fight deflation you create inflation [15-Apr-25 11:10 AM] jab.sh#0000 sure but EXT MM isn't as absurd lol [15-Apr-25 11:10 AM] laaxus#0000 new IDC price isn't absurd either [15-Apr-25 11:10 AM] jab.sh#0000 and people can actually use the stuff EXT bases make [15-Apr-25 11:10 AM] laaxus#0000 again, it's fair [15-Apr-25 11:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 IDC is used in planet upkeep [15-Apr-25 11:10 AM] jab.sh#0000 oh really [15-Apr-25 11:10 AM] laaxus#0000 IDC are not the best MM anymore [15-Apr-25 11:11 AM] jab.sh#0000 I didn't realize that [15-Apr-25 11:11 AM] jab.sh#0000 I thought it was literally just make IDC, sell to MM [15-Apr-25 11:11 AM] jab.sh#0000 that explains a bit at least [15-Apr-25 11:11 AM] realharvey#0000 IDC bases did take part in the economy because of high tier pop consumables and Afabs [15-Apr-25 11:11 AM] jab.sh#0000 sure [15-Apr-25 11:11 AM] jab.sh#0000 but those are going to happen without IDC [15-Apr-25 11:12 AM] realharvey#0000 there hasnt been a lot really using SCI [15-Apr-25 12:12 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 well....gateways will change stuff ๐Ÿ˜… i will need like 3 chem bases running EEPs to support <1 VF base [15-Apr-25 12:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 no way to force SHPT to the top of an inventory? [15-Apr-25 01:30 PM] jab.sh#0000 one of the rprun sort options might do it? [15-Apr-25 01:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah maybe? [15-Apr-25 01:40 PM] jcheung#0000 If you're using rprun you might be able to create a category for it? I'm not sure though, haven't tried. [15-Apr-25 01:40 PM] jcheung#0000 Reverse sort CAT might also kinda do it [15-Apr-25 01:40 PM] jcheung#0000 You'll still have some stuff that may show up below it [15-Apr-25 01:45 PM] laaxus#0000 @Market Alerts {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361774562236174346/image.png?ex=681512e4&is=6813c164&hm=da2fc2ea1a14471d9b545bdf4fdb6198679198fbf72cbf58473c9807569980bb& [15-Apr-25 01:45 PM] laaxus#0000 UTS out of stock [15-Apr-25 01:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I tried and it dont work ;( [15-Apr-25 01:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 SHPT is not a MAT and rprun custom sort requires a MAT [15-Apr-25 01:50 PM] finestone#0000 but i thought FE doesn't matter? :troll: {Reactions} kekw (4) [15-Apr-25 01:50 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361775712192823397/image0.gif?ex=681513f6&is=6813c276&hm=4a760a32b4019254b55a139c9fac9d6f155424f839b52fea27d4dddaeebfc420& [15-Apr-25 01:50 PM] jcheung#0000 What about reverse sort on CAT [15-Apr-25 01:50 PM] laaxus#0000 mistakes were made {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [15-Apr-25 01:50 PM] jcheung#0000 I was trying not to say it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [15-Apr-25 01:52 PM] finestone#0000 haha i have a small amount stored for Govs if yall need some [15-Apr-25 01:52 PM] laaxus#0000 where's the apology form {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [15-Apr-25 01:53 PM] akyantor#0000 I'm glad I started my own supply for Deimos. I'll have a very small amount of excess to put on the market tomorrow. [15-Apr-25 01:53 PM] finestone#0000 https://tenor.com/view/kenny-powers-regret-i-regret-saying-that-gif-12552162 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/kenny-powers-regret-i-regret-saying-that-gif-12552162 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/c5OyxDHK-qo2r4d6R4H3Axtrhb2kCdq0KB5_Ojh4-CE/https/media.tenor.com/rPkLpeYt5sAAAAAe/kenny-powers-regret.png [15-Apr-25 01:57 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361777497250725928/image0.gif?ex=6815159f&is=6813c41f&hm=ca003166d40a912f42c2bf5fe0611fd30ae3b8f472c5adff46ca6a330f51e112& [15-Apr-25 02:45 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 thats wht i'll do i guess [15-Apr-25 03:03 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Need emergency FTL fuel on Vulcan [15-Apr-25 03:04 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 200 x2 LM ads up on Vulcan LM [15-Apr-25 03:04 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 please fulfill <3 [15-Apr-25 03:09 PM] jcheung#0000 Oh dear, i just used my ff stash there last week xD {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [15-Apr-25 03:09 PM] jcheung#0000 Have some deimos but that's not vulcan [15-Apr-25 03:10 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 i can go to deimos [15-Apr-25 03:10 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 but will take forever [15-Apr-25 03:10 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 might aswell just fly back to Antares station [15-Apr-25 03:10 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 to refuel [15-Apr-25 03:12 PM] jab.sh#0000 I have fuel at heph [15-Apr-25 03:13 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 again, might aswell just fly to ANT to access my own fuel stash ๐Ÿ˜… [15-Apr-25 03:13 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 i need it on vulcan ๐Ÿ˜ญ [15-Apr-25 03:13 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 thank you though [15-Apr-25 03:13 PM] jab.sh#0000 I know ๐Ÿ˜„ [15-Apr-25 03:13 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 <3 [15-Apr-25 08:35 PM] vanarazor#0000 what are theses peeps doing : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361877510555701268/image.png?ex=6814ca04&is=68137884&hm=b61fb9d60dc170a2ced265077f2057af2c0f7c5a91b155b4d8e61285cf264e63& [15-Apr-25 08:35 PM] vanarazor#0000 don't bring exo down [15-Apr-25 08:37 PM] tanda#0000 too late, there's 10k concentrated at ~340 that's locked people in [15-Apr-25 08:38 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah I ll sell theses last 2 batch and hoard for the next crises [15-Apr-25 09:06 PM] vanarazor#0000 JESUSS [15-Apr-25 09:06 PM] vanarazor#0000 someone bought 10 K + of exo [15-Apr-25 09:06 PM] tanda#0000 well, who was it? spill the tea [15-Apr-25 09:07 PM] tanda#0000 https://tenor.com/view/tea-spill-the-tea-gif-26065973 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/tea-spill-the-tea-gif-26065973 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/HViFA35IVdaN_XX9GWhWzwk04-fUloTeERD3pBDs9p0/https/media.tenor.com/G9lyfGiunzIAAAAe/tea-spill-the-tea.png [15-Apr-25 09:07 PM] vanarazor#0000 _Moke solutions_ [15-Apr-25 09:07 PM] tanda#0000 oh it's Moke [15-Apr-25 09:07 PM] moke.#0000 https://tenor.com/bNDlb.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-hide-in-shrubs-hiding-in-bushes-disappear-into-hedges-embarrassed-gif-24183287 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/c1HFoZYIP7GVzfoXPtxkDkYo3nI2Z9bnO_Y4Hq54LXM/https/media.tenor.com/YGV1m0f5oOAAAAAe/homer-simpson-hide-in-shrubs.png [15-Apr-25 09:07 PM] vanarazor#0000 and another million of exo gone [15-Apr-25 09:07 PM] tanda#0000 wonder what they're up to [15-Apr-25 09:07 PM] vanarazor#0000 prices is back at 400 [15-Apr-25 09:09 PM] vanarazor#0000 there is still some exo on the market to be bought ay [15-Apr-25 09:10 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/niark-gif-12120623 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/niark-gif-12120623 NIARK NIARK https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/BhPEGRZbFLA5NyPBudKRaCRaHic2k9idXxyZv7TSvaM/https/media.tenor.com/y_n1fYmSrP8AAAAe/niark.png [15-Apr-25 09:13 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/wl3J.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/futurama-philip-j-fry-im-shocked-not-that-shocked-shocked-gif-5288945 Not surprised https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/rfWjZFSWwkAHGlTNoOeJfE15QHeeZWBLTlT1aD2j31c/https/media.tenor.com/Qvy09Xzs_KcAAAAe/futurama-philip-j-fry.png [15-Apr-25 10:52 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Looks like some fun market manipulation [16-Apr-25 03:05 AM] evov#0000 Can confirm, the 2k I put up there at 359 /u got Moked. Guess I'll just put another few thousand up for more. [16-Apr-25 04:00 AM] evov#0000 Experimenting with Gov reporting tools. Also - shameless plug.. if anyone is interested in putting down a base in the IA-151/158 project, hit me up. Basically I wanted to make it easy for people to see which planets have ample spare pop just waiting for someone to give them jobs. And which planets are still filling pop demands ( and would not be a good idea to join right now ) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1361989538741878904/image.png?ex=6814899a&is=6813381a&hm=576f2cedb5b4d23398ab0e601c899779a01f04b4fc5ec236530ecbe4d6335d52& [16-Apr-25 05:35 AM] vanarazor#0000 im interested but not anytime soon unfoirtunately, I still have a few more bases to put down first [16-Apr-25 08:15 AM] loans_13178#0000 Does anyone have any bases on Harmonia, could you vote for me in our current election. [16-Apr-25 08:19 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I do but why should I? Caskman does a good job [16-Apr-25 08:22 AM] loans_13178#0000 I'm not trying to be a governor, I'm trying to get into parliament. [16-Apr-25 08:22 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Ah, got ya ๐Ÿ™‚ [16-Apr-25 08:22 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Sure [16-Apr-25 08:26 AM] loans_13178#0000 thx [16-Apr-25 08:55 AM] loans_13178#0000 So do most of you work in business IRL? [16-Apr-25 08:56 AM] laaxus#0000 nah, I'm a software engineer {Reactions} โ˜๏ธ [16-Apr-25 09:00 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Web developer [16-Apr-25 09:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 i dont work (yet) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [16-Apr-25 09:10 AM] moke.#0000 Freight Logistics {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [16-Apr-25 09:15 AM] realharvey#0000 Operations Manager [16-Apr-25 09:16 AM] jcheung#0000 Professional couch potato {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Ž [16-Apr-25 09:16 AM] jcheung#0000 I cut lenses for glasses on the side [16-Apr-25 09:16 AM] jcheung#0000 ...and learned web dev but have no experience [16-Apr-25 09:17 AM] realharvey#0000 and Main business is slacking shipping in prun? [16-Apr-25 09:17 AM] jcheung#0000 No That would be fucking up shipping in prun {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [16-Apr-25 09:17 AM] jab.sh#0000 you're a spreadsheet wizard [16-Apr-25 09:17 AM] realharvey#0000 no that is my second title [16-Apr-25 09:17 AM] jcheung#0000 Oh please, my work isn't that advanced [16-Apr-25 09:17 AM] jcheung#0000 There's sheets out there that blow my mind [16-Apr-25 09:18 AM] jab.sh#0000 I thought I was pretty good but yours impresses me [16-Apr-25 09:19 AM] realharvey#0000 i have some at work that amaze me. They build a complete Company based on excel. From account down to shift planning [16-Apr-25 09:19 AM] jcheung#0000 Just to be clear, just because i compress everything into one or two cells doesn't mean it can't be done better by other means ๐Ÿ˜ [16-Apr-25 09:19 AM] jvaler#0000 that's impressive and nightmarish at the same time {Reactions} โ˜๏ธ [16-Apr-25 09:20 AM] realharvey#0000 indeed it is. We have Excel files that shut down basic office pcs. We use upspecced ones for that [16-Apr-25 09:20 AM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ญ [16-Apr-25 09:20 AM] jcheung#0000 Just because excel is turing conplete doesn't mean you should use it as an actual programming language ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [16-Apr-25 09:21 AM] realharvey#0000 it's also used as database in some cases {Reactions} dread (2) [16-Apr-25 09:22 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/40k-warhammer-heresy-meme-gif-27213968 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/40k-warhammer-heresy-meme-gif-27213968 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/2kPtKS_si7vM-shqKtfIW9NfxUJbVCrQdiikTHgNSFE/https/media.tenor.com/JMuanNiIGQQAAAAe/40k-warhammer.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [16-Apr-25 09:22 AM] realharvey#0000 there's also some other funny processes. We dump rawdata onto a fileserver in excel to import that into another database and then create a report and dump that one in an excelfile on the fileserver again [16-Apr-25 09:22 AM] jab.sh#0000 gross [16-Apr-25 09:23 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But honestly, I noticed, that whenever I had the urge to program a feature for PrUn, it was easier and faster to mockup a sheet for it ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ™ˆ [16-Apr-25 09:23 AM] realharvey#0000 we are moving all of this to google workspace now. Which is also gross [16-Apr-25 09:24 AM] pxlfox.#0000 So I kinda get it - tho the upscaling must be a nightmare [16-Apr-25 09:24 AM] realharvey#0000 We had an issue where we had to split up the shift planning tool because 300 people was to much for excel to load {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ (3) [16-Apr-25 09:25 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1362071356862238770/image0.gif?ex=6814d5cd&is=6813844d&hm=b621f405c527ca889a96bafd2c06161040f1a237106b12dc8393e823b5a80c22& [16-Apr-25 09:25 AM] jcheung#0000 Yeah, at that point just purchase a ready made solution/get some bespoke system made [16-Apr-25 09:26 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But they are _expensive_ [16-Apr-25 09:26 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Why, as long as the excel sheet made by Susan 10 years ago does the job, too? [16-Apr-25 09:27 AM] jcheung#0000 Downtime is expensive. Needing to upgrade pc hardware to handle shift scheduling is expensive. [16-Apr-25 09:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 True ๐Ÿ˜‚ [16-Apr-25 09:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But we all know how some companies are managed [16-Apr-25 09:28 AM] jcheung#0000 *eyes the president* [16-Apr-25 09:28 AM] jcheung#0000 *looks at his wallet* [16-Apr-25 09:28 AM] jcheung#0000 *looks away* [16-Apr-25 09:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 adobe comes to mind [16-Apr-25 09:34 AM] sidepipe#0000 I work in insurance and you wouldnโ€™t believe the spreadsheets I have to deal with [16-Apr-25 09:35 AM] sidepipe#0000 Everything from really well organized stuff with clear documentation to the one put together in 2010 and never updated because โ€œthis deal closes in Q4 anyway so just roll it forward another few monthsโ€ [16-Apr-25 09:36 AM] sidepipe#0000 But at least thereโ€™s very few cases of excel as a database. That stuff scares me [16-Apr-25 09:38 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ve also lived that life a few times. We have dedicated remote machines for some really large excel files. Which is the #1 indication that whatever youโ€™re doing shouldnโ€™t be in excel ๐Ÿ˜‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’€ [16-Apr-25 09:38 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Its perfectly fine for hobby use cases like prun tho [16-Apr-25 09:38 AM] sidepipe#0000 100%! And for lots of business cases too - it just doesnโ€™t scale well ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-Apr-25 09:38 AM] pagy1234#0000 no way excel uses that much power [16-Apr-25 09:39 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Big sheets would tho [16-Apr-25 09:39 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Reminds me, at work we have these big sheets [16-Apr-25 09:39 AM] loans_13178#0000 Nice, I'm about to start my associates for Computer engineering. [16-Apr-25 09:39 AM] realharvey#0000 Our Business Intelligence Teams had an Extra Machine to press Update on an Excelfile and let that machine run for a few hours to calculate. Hahaha {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ (2) [16-Apr-25 09:40 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Not too crazy, 300-400 rows but like 40 diff sheets [16-Apr-25 09:40 AM] sidepipe#0000 Something something Business Intelligence is an oxymoron {Reactions} kekw [16-Apr-25 09:40 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 All entries added by hand overtime [16-Apr-25 09:41 AM] realharvey#0000 we upgraded machines to 16 GB Ram to run excel [16-Apr-25 09:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 huh?? [16-Apr-25 09:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 excel just not optimised or what [16-Apr-25 09:41 AM] realharvey#0000 but its insane what you can create with excel [16-Apr-25 09:41 AM] sidepipe#0000 Thatโ€™s what we use the remote ones for ๐Ÿ˜ญ [16-Apr-25 09:42 AM] sidepipe#0000 Not super optimized no. Itโ€™s just not made for reasonably large amounts of data [16-Apr-25 09:42 AM] jcheung#0000 I mean I've made sheets in gsheets so inefficient that they took 10 minutes to process a change, if it was able to load at all [16-Apr-25 09:42 AM] realharvey#0000 you mean 3million entries is too much? [16-Apr-25 09:42 AM] loans_13178#0000 yall are insane [16-Apr-25 09:43 AM] sidepipe#0000 My biggest flex is that I messed up a SQL join in one of our data pipelines and made a table with 4.7 billion rows by accident {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฑ (4) [16-Apr-25 09:43 AM] jcheung#0000 I mean. Look what brought you here [16-Apr-25 09:43 AM] sidepipe#0000 The IT people were not happy about that {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ (2) [16-Apr-25 09:43 AM] jcheung#0000 Welcome to the club [16-Apr-25 09:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ญ [16-Apr-25 09:44 AM] loans_13178#0000 I once worked at a non-profit and we used to use a google sheet for so much it was deemed a hazard by upper management. Something about it not being secure enough for all the information we had acces to. [16-Apr-25 09:44 AM] realharvey#0000 I tried to recreate and excelfile in sheets. It did not go well. [16-Apr-25 09:45 AM] realharvey#0000 did you use a Businessliecense or the version that is publically available? [16-Apr-25 09:45 AM] loans_13178#0000 no it was literally just like a google sheet put together by staff. [16-Apr-25 09:46 AM] loans_13178#0000 There were staff and client emails, phone numbers, scheduling, etc [16-Apr-25 09:46 AM] evany.#0000 no hes talking about different gsuite license levels, some of the business versions come with higher standards of privacy than personal accounts with shared gsheets {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [16-Apr-25 09:46 AM] loans_13178#0000 it was a personal gmail accounts [16-Apr-25 09:47 AM] loans_13178#0000 they ended up pushing us to UKG [16-Apr-25 09:47 AM] realharvey#0000 yeah thats a big fire hazard and also illegal to use it for a business application [16-Apr-25 09:47 AM] sidepipe#0000 My wifeโ€™s university emailed a spreadsheet with all of their students social security numbers to some random mom of a student once [16-Apr-25 09:47 AM] loans_13178#0000 yikes [16-Apr-25 09:47 AM] evany.#0000 don't even get me started sidepipe {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ (3) [16-Apr-25 09:47 AM] evany.#0000 my county emailed me solar plans and loan applications somehow the other day [16-Apr-25 09:48 AM] realharvey#0000 We once had access to our customers revenue numbers, because they did and oopsie creating our accounts [16-Apr-25 09:49 AM] sidepipe#0000 Point is security isnโ€™t real and never trust anyone with anything [16-Apr-25 09:49 AM] loans_13178#0000 but also like this went on for a bit over a year but at a non-profit so much happens because their are bigger fires to put out [16-Apr-25 09:49 AM] evany.#0000 honestly thats pretty much anywhere these days. [16-Apr-25 09:49 AM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah that sounds like what Iโ€™ve heard about non-profit life tbh [16-Apr-25 09:50 AM] jcheung#0000 On the other hand i just found out that one of the programs that i use at work... stores passwords in plain text {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฑ [16-Apr-25 09:50 AM] loans_13178#0000 Honestly, I won't knock it as all my managers and bosses always treated me well. [16-Apr-25 09:50 AM] realharvey#0000 our IT has password saving enabled by default in chrome. Yikes [16-Apr-25 09:50 AM] jab.sh#0000 I worked for a DOD contractor and military people would regularly include their social security in their email signature {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [16-Apr-25 09:51 AM] loans_13178#0000 couldn't they atleast take it out of plain text [16-Apr-25 09:51 AM] jcheung#0000 Has API integrations with other sites and stores account login in plain text instead of an api key {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [16-Apr-25 09:51 AM] jcheung#0000 (For those other sites) [16-Apr-25 09:51 AM] pagy1234#0000 bro how many management people are just emailing things for fun lol [16-Apr-25 09:51 AM] jcheung#0000 Like full, or partial [16-Apr-25 09:51 AM] jab.sh#0000 full [16-Apr-25 09:52 AM] jcheung#0000 Hmmm [16-Apr-25 09:52 AM] jab.sh#0000 oh, and the "IT" guy's admin password was 1q2w3e4r [16-Apr-25 09:52 AM] jab.sh#0000 and he was like "look away" when he typed it in ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-Apr-25 09:52 AM] jcheung#0000 They're special stupid to have full social [16-Apr-25 09:52 AM] evany.#0000 i will confirm yes. [16-Apr-25 09:52 AM] evany.#0000 well great now ihave to change my root password... {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [16-Apr-25 09:52 AM] evany.#0000 you just went and typed it publically [16-Apr-25 09:52 AM] evany.#0000 i shared that IN CONFIDENCE dude [16-Apr-25 09:52 AM] jcheung#0000 Ngl rolling passwords are common in military. When you make the password standards draconian and need to be changed every 3-6 months.... [16-Apr-25 09:53 AM] jcheung#0000 You get passwords like.... [16-Apr-25 09:53 AM] jab.sh#0000 yeah I need to change mine every 3 months [16-Apr-25 09:53 AM] jcheung#0000 Zaq12wsxZAQ!@WSX [16-Apr-25 09:53 AM] jab.sh#0000 I don't know my password, my password manager knows it though. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [16-Apr-25 09:53 AM] jab.sh#0000 so it doesn't bother me at all [16-Apr-25 09:53 AM] realharvey#0000 I also very much like people that use the wrong E-mail distribution lists. We've had quite a few fuckups due to that. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [16-Apr-25 09:53 AM] jab.sh#0000 your password is hunter2 too? [16-Apr-25 09:54 AM] loans_13178#0000 yeah, if I know i'm going to be changing my passwords I don't use any of my private ones and just create a set of rules to remember the current password. [16-Apr-25 09:54 AM] evany.#0000 i had to reset my password every 3 months as well in a prior life, i think I was on "passwerd92" almost ready to switch to 93 {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [16-Apr-25 09:54 AM] evany.#0000 with a whiteboard beside my desk with 91 x'd out and 92 circled [16-Apr-25 09:54 AM] jab.sh#0000 remembering passwords is for squares [16-Apr-25 09:55 AM] loans_13178#0000 anybody here like to suffer warthunder [16-Apr-25 09:55 AM] moke.#0000 Regrettably [16-Apr-25 09:55 AM] loans_13178#0000 of course [16-Apr-25 09:55 AM] evany.#0000 moke speaks? [16-Apr-25 09:55 AM] jcheung#0000 Minimum length 10 characters Must contain upper case Must contain lower case Must contain symbol Must contain number Must not have two repeating characters Must not have more than half the characters as numbers Must not match your last 12 passwords You have 2 attempts to log in before account is locked [16-Apr-25 09:55 AM] moke.#0000 Sometimes! [16-Apr-25 09:55 AM] evany.#0000 you deserve shitty passwords with that crap [16-Apr-25 09:55 AM] loans_13178#0000 I believe I saw this coming [16-Apr-25 09:55 AM] jab.sh#0000 I don't mind these, what bothers me are ridiculous ones like must not contain : or must be shorter than 16 characters [16-Apr-25 09:56 AM] loans_13178#0000 real [16-Apr-25 09:56 AM] sidepipe#0000 Briefly, but with great impact ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-Apr-25 09:56 AM] jcheung#0000 You know the fun part. There was a more secure method that they weren't allowed to use [16-Apr-25 09:56 AM] evany.#0000 moke what are we doing for lunch today [16-Apr-25 09:56 AM] magican1980#0000 from the IT security I say every person, dont save any password in any browser, but we dont can make it evertime happen ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [16-Apr-25 09:56 AM] jcheung#0000 We had physical tokens needed to log into the computers as well as our email [16-Apr-25 09:56 AM] jab.sh#0000 for a while, my 401k password could only be 8 numbers [16-Apr-25 09:56 AM] moke.#0000 Uh. Whatever you want that's near my work in Natomas [16-Apr-25 09:56 AM] moke.#0000 I'm going out to Dixon after work tho [16-Apr-25 09:56 AM] jab.sh#0000 you know, the place where most of my money was ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-Apr-25 09:57 AM] evany.#0000 why dixon [16-Apr-25 09:57 AM] jcheung#0000 But they weren't authorized tonuse those physical tokens until two years after i left, and it took then 3 years to roll out in a form that didn't break every 15 minutes [16-Apr-25 09:57 AM] moke.#0000 Reasonsโ„ข๏ธ [16-Apr-25 09:57 AM] magican1980#0000 for this it gives password safes for businesses, some pricy, some a little bit [16-Apr-25 09:57 AM] evany.#0000 ill have to raincheck on natomas then my lunch is surrounded by meetings to pull that off today [16-Apr-25 09:57 AM] loans_13178#0000 DOD and Military branches still use CAK cards and it seems the way to go [16-Apr-25 09:57 AM] moke.#0000 Rip [16-Apr-25 09:57 AM] moke.#0000 I'm free all day thurs-sat typically [16-Apr-25 09:57 AM] jab.sh#0000 I just use keepass, free and open source ๐Ÿคท {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [16-Apr-25 09:58 AM] moke.#0000 And some Wednesdays (not this week) [16-Apr-25 09:58 AM] jcheung#0000 You don't mind it? You must not have used something with these stupid requirements then [16-Apr-25 09:58 AM] evany.#0000 deal lets try and square something up for friday [16-Apr-25 09:58 AM] jab.sh#0000 I've used plenty of systems with these requirements. [16-Apr-25 09:58 AM] magican1980#0000 this has our IT Service recommend and installed ๐Ÿ˜› {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [16-Apr-25 09:58 AM] jab.sh#0000 my password manager just don't care [16-Apr-25 09:58 AM] jcheung#0000 Seems nice the first couple times but it get real old real fast [16-Apr-25 09:58 AM] moke.#0000 Its a date [16-Apr-25 09:58 AM] jcheung#0000 Daily? [16-Apr-25 09:59 AM] loans_13178#0000 @moke. what BRs are you at? [16-Apr-25 09:59 AM] evany.#0000 dont get me wrong i'm cool with password managers and what not, but all the stupid little apps and i gotta put url's in and then the website changes and now its not account.tesla and now its auth.tesla and suddenly you gotta go manually change/fix shit in your app and your phone [16-Apr-25 09:59 AM] jcheung#0000 It's a CAC not CAK [16-Apr-25 09:59 AM] jab.sh#0000 most of my passwords by default meet those requirements [16-Apr-25 09:59 AM] moke.#0000 10.0 for ground RB and 13 in air RB [16-Apr-25 09:59 AM] jcheung#0000 Common access card {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [16-Apr-25 09:59 AM] evany.#0000 i shouldn't have to be reverse engineering this sh it on the day [16-Apr-25 09:59 AM] jab.sh#0000 yep [16-Apr-25 09:59 AM] moke.#0000 I've been slacking in general though on other games for a while [16-Apr-25 09:59 AM] loans_13178#0000 sorry struggle with phonetics [16-Apr-25 10:00 AM] jcheung#0000 Including the "try twice and locked out" part? [16-Apr-25 10:01 AM] jcheung#0000 At least you didn't call it a cac card like almost everyone else ๐Ÿ˜œ [16-Apr-25 10:01 AM] jab.sh#0000 I never enter the wrong password because I literally copy and paste it ๐Ÿคท it could be try once and lock out [16-Apr-25 10:02 AM] jcheung#0000 If you were caught writing down your password [16-Apr-25 10:02 AM] sidepipe#0000 My common CAC card [16-Apr-25 10:02 AM] jcheung#0000 You were in deep shit [16-Apr-25 10:02 AM] jab.sh#0000 as you should be [16-Apr-25 10:02 AM] jcheung#0000 Also every day we would be logging in from different terminals [16-Apr-25 10:02 AM] jab.sh#0000 everyone should just use a password manager, makes life so much easier [16-Apr-25 10:03 AM] jcheung#0000 So short of emailing it to yourself... [16-Apr-25 10:03 AM] jcheung#0000 No real easy way to copy pasta [16-Apr-25 10:04 AM] jab.sh#0000 put your password manager on a flash drive? or use like 1password and just log in on the website? [16-Apr-25 10:07 AM] jab.sh#0000 anyone catch this reference? ๐Ÿ˜† [16-Apr-25 10:07 AM] jcheung#0000 Caught using a non issued flash drive and you lose computer access [16-Apr-25 10:07 AM] jcheung#0000 Can't use 1password, doesn't have uppercase or symbol [16-Apr-25 10:08 AM] jab.sh#0000 what [16-Apr-25 10:08 AM] jcheung#0000 And doesn't meed minimum character count [16-Apr-25 10:08 AM] jab.sh#0000 1password is a password manager [16-Apr-25 10:08 AM] jab.sh#0000 or lastpass [16-Apr-25 10:08 AM] jab.sh#0000 or bitwarden [16-Apr-25 10:09 AM] jcheung#0000 How do those work, install stuff? [16-Apr-25 10:10 AM] jab.sh#0000 no just log in to the website [16-Apr-25 10:10 AM] jcheung#0000 So log on to one website and it can fill in other websites you go to? [16-Apr-25 10:10 AM] moke.#0000 Yeah, just juggling with work atm [16-Apr-25 10:11 AM] jcheung#0000 Falls under writing down your password, so i guess if you don't get caught... [16-Apr-25 10:11 AM] jab.sh#0000 exactly [16-Apr-25 10:11 AM] jab.sh#0000 or if you don't like that, you can get keepass portable version and just throw it on a flash drive [16-Apr-25 10:12 AM] jab.sh#0000 using a password manager and writing down your password are very different [16-Apr-25 10:12 AM] jcheung#0000 Flash drive gets you banned from computers until investigation is over [16-Apr-25 10:12 AM] loans_13178#0000 anyone want to suffer at 3.3 for fun? [16-Apr-25 10:12 AM] jcheung#0000 And then you might get reduction in pay [16-Apr-25 10:12 AM] jcheung#0000 And possible jail time [16-Apr-25 10:13 AM] jcheung#0000 So no flash drive {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [16-Apr-25 10:13 AM] sidepipe#0000 Free room and board AND I donโ€™t have to work? Sign me up ๐Ÿ˜‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ ๐Ÿ˜ฑ [16-Apr-25 10:14 AM] jcheung#0000 I don't think you want to face espionage charges [16-Apr-25 10:14 AM] magican1980#0000 lol ๐Ÿ™‚ depending on the chosen password manager there a lot of very nice features, like use on mobile, setting rights for what users can do and so on. [16-Apr-25 10:14 AM] jab.sh#0000 fine, then just use 1password ๐Ÿคท [16-Apr-25 10:14 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I feel like they should remind me what their password requirements were when i login [16-Apr-25 10:15 AM] jcheung#0000 Still not certain if that's even whitelisted on some of the devices [16-Apr-25 10:16 AM] jcheung#0000 Classified internet is weird. [16-Apr-25 10:45 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 you guys talking about military stuff? [16-Apr-25 10:55 AM] evany.#0000 they could be talking about cidr too {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [16-Apr-25 11:00 AM] jcheung#0000 i was, at least [16-Apr-25 11:01 AM] jcheung#0000 started with a mention of bad passwords [16-Apr-25 11:01 AM] jcheung#0000 then i dragged terrible mil passwords into it [16-Apr-25 11:04 AM] loans_13178#0000 Don't worry, I grew listening to my dad complain and gripe about passwords [16-Apr-25 11:05 AM] loans_13178#0000 pretty soon I might be doing the complaining. [16-Apr-25 11:46 AM] potaterror#0000 I'm kind of a stickler for security, but my work password is stupidly predictable precisely because they've imposed restrictions that make it a pain in the ass. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [16-Apr-25 11:48 AM] potaterror#0000 Like... 12 characters, can't contain any words, caps + case variation, can't contain a 3 character string present in the last X passwords, changes every 60 days. [16-Apr-25 11:48 AM] potaterror#0000 Special characters. [16-Apr-25 11:49 AM] potaterror#0000 Congrats, IT team. You finally made me write a password on a post-it note. [16-Apr-25 11:49 AM] jcheung#0000 woof, can't do words? there goes one of the more actually secure memorable passwords [16-Apr-25 11:50 AM] sidepipe#0000 Can you get away with w0rd$? [16-Apr-25 11:50 AM] jcheung#0000 one of the better password types is to take 3 words and put them together {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (3) [16-Apr-25 11:50 AM] sidepipe#0000 correcthorsebatterystaple ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [16-Apr-25 11:50 AM] potaterror#0000 If you do that and impose a serious minimum length requirement, yeah [16-Apr-25 11:50 AM] potaterror#0000 Probably not, Sidepipe. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [16-Apr-25 11:51 AM] potaterror#0000 Whatever dictionary they're using has a lot of l33ted-up words. [16-Apr-25 11:52 AM] sidepipe#0000 Thatโ€™s probably the most brain dead password policy Iโ€™ve heard {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [16-Apr-25 11:53 AM] sidepipe#0000 My workplace switched a while back to get rid of password reset requirements and just had us use much longer passwords instead [16-Apr-25 11:54 AM] potaterror#0000 That's what happens when your company hires a CTO that likes to pretend they're a security guy, but also immediately offshores the in-house sec team. [16-Apr-25 11:54 AM] sidepipe#0000 If Iโ€™m being honest, it seems like the number one security vulnerability is just people clicking on phishing links anyway {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [16-Apr-25 11:55 AM] sidepipe#0000 @potaterror maybe you can just swipe across your keyboard / numpad in different patterns and tack on some special characters at the end ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-Apr-25 11:55 AM] potaterror#0000 No comment. [16-Apr-25 11:56 AM] jab.sh#0000 yeah nobody's cracking passwords anymore if they can just send out a million phishing emails and get a bunch of passwords that way. [16-Apr-25 11:56 AM] potaterror#0000 (Bold of you to assume I'd add special characters when I can just hold down shift for X keystrokes) [16-Apr-25 11:56 AM] jab.sh#0000 that hurts with a mechanical keyboard ๐Ÿ˜ญ [16-Apr-25 11:56 AM] realharvey#0000 the FTP Server from our client hasnt changed the password for 5 years. Even tho we had people leaving the company that knew the password [16-Apr-25 11:57 AM] potaterror#0000 But yeah, my PW did literally just become a keyboard march pattern. [16-Apr-25 11:57 AM] jab.sh#0000 that's definitely more secure than it would be without those requirements [16-Apr-25 11:57 AM] potaterror#0000 Congrats, anyone that ever learns my password will be able to guess the rest in perpetuity and I do not remotely care. [16-Apr-25 11:58 AM] jab.sh#0000 inb4 they add keyboard march patterns to their "words" dictionary [16-Apr-25 11:58 AM] realharvey#0000 I think a decent secure password + some sort of 2factor auth is the best. No need to constantly change passwords {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [16-Apr-25 11:58 AM] potaterror#0000 Oh, they already had some. [16-Apr-25 11:58 AM] potaterror#0000 QWE/QAZ are in the list for sure. [16-Apr-25 11:58 AM] jab.sh#0000 what about qqwwee {Reactions} ๐Ÿง  [16-Apr-25 11:58 AM] jab.sh#0000 ๐Ÿง  [16-Apr-25 11:58 AM] realharvey#0000 my company enforces a 6 digit phone unlock code tthat has to change monthly. I hate it. its 6 times the same number [16-Apr-25 11:59 AM] jab.sh#0000 wat [16-Apr-25 11:59 AM] jab.sh#0000 yeah I just use my own phone lmao [16-Apr-25 11:59 AM] jab.sh#0000 I won't do MDM on my phone ever again [16-Apr-25 11:59 AM] sidepipe#0000 I donโ€™t have a company phone because they wonโ€™t give me one and Iโ€™m not about to give them control of my phone to put stuff on it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [16-Apr-25 11:59 AM] potaterror#0000 Mine's got 2FA for certain things. Used to have the option of a call/text or an authenticator app, they've since moved to just the app. [16-Apr-25 11:59 AM] jab.sh#0000 good [16-Apr-25 12:00 PM] jab.sh#0000 call/text is stupid [16-Apr-25 12:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 But if they ever need to get ahold of me after work hours something is _seriously_ wrong ๐Ÿ˜‚ [16-Apr-25 12:00 PM] jab.sh#0000 I hate sites that _only_ have call/text [16-Apr-25 12:00 PM] potaterror#0000 Which, since I staunchly refuse to install anything on my phone that is work related and they won't issue a work phone, has resulted in me just parking a 3rd-party authenticator on my work PC. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [16-Apr-25 12:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 Especially when youโ€™re logging in on your phone ๐Ÿ˜… [16-Apr-25 12:00 PM] jab.sh#0000 that doesn't bother me [16-Apr-25 12:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 Not mechanically - but it does kinda take the second factor out of it [16-Apr-25 12:01 PM] jab.sh#0000 keepass does let you do TOTP, and if I did that, then yeah that would be pretty silly. [16-Apr-25 12:01 PM] jab.sh#0000 I know [16-Apr-25 12:01 PM] potaterror#0000 I could just create a new user on my phone since I'm now using GrapheneOS, but man, fuck 'em. [16-Apr-25 12:02 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah I was thinking about doing this too. โค๏ธ graphene [16-Apr-25 12:02 PM] jab.sh#0000 I made the profile but I haven't set it up yet [16-Apr-25 12:02 PM] potaterror#0000 It's a principle thing for me. [16-Apr-25 12:02 PM] jab.sh#0000 they let me do slack (with a 30 day cookie) but email requires MDM [16-Apr-25 12:03 PM] jab.sh#0000 and technically I'm not supposed to use slack without enrolling my phone [16-Apr-25 12:03 PM] jab.sh#0000 but until they enforce it ๐Ÿคท [16-Apr-25 12:03 PM] potaterror#0000 The closest I come to mixing work and personal stuff is having the machines connected to the same KVM or maybe like...SSHing from a personal PC in an emergency. [16-Apr-25 12:04 PM] potaterror#0000 They want more, they can pay for the pleasure. [16-Apr-25 12:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 They just gave me a laptop and told me to take it home every day [16-Apr-25 12:04 PM] jab.sh#0000 I do have a work phone that I mostly just use as a hotspot. I'm not even logged in to email or slack on there ๐Ÿ˜‚ [16-Apr-25 12:04 PM] potaterror#0000 Yeah, I work from home. [16-Apr-25 12:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 I uhhh used to [16-Apr-25 12:05 PM] potaterror#0000 Just VLANed off the work box. [16-Apr-25 12:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 but we got a new CEO who decided he wants butts in seats [16-Apr-25 12:05 PM] potaterror#0000 Ah, that stupidity. What a joy. [16-Apr-25 12:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 which is hilarious because our new office we moved to a few years back does not have capacity for everyone assigned to it {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [16-Apr-25 12:05 PM] jab.sh#0000 I couldn't figure out vlans, but I bought a ubiquiti AP that has guest isolation (black magic to me, when I don't need to do anything on my router or switch for it to work?) [16-Apr-25 12:06 PM] jab.sh#0000 this makes me so mad [16-Apr-25 12:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 so they keep telling us 'we have plenty of seats' but 'please come in on mondays and fridays to help with office congestion' [16-Apr-25 12:09 PM] potaterror#0000 I was already working remotely due to the fact that my schedule is wack and for a while I was essentially a team unto myself, but the company had just vacated their old offices and was doing the WeWork thing while looking for new space right as COVID hit. [16-Apr-25 12:10 PM] potaterror#0000 So they just kinda threw up their hands and everyone became remote after a few months. [16-Apr-25 12:10 PM] sidepipe#0000 i got hired as "hybrid" during the pandemic but was basically full remote until recently [16-Apr-25 12:10 PM] sidepipe#0000 just went into the office whenever there were meetings there that I should attend [16-Apr-25 12:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 but I don't live too far away (and am moving much closer) so it's not really a big inconvenience for me, I just don't like the messaging [16-Apr-25 12:11 PM] jcheung#0000 call/text can be intercepted more easily than authenticator app [16-Apr-25 12:13 PM] potaterror#0000 Sure, and I don't have a problem with the fact that it's an app, I have a problem with the fact that they casually assume I'm willing to run anything work-related on personal hardware and unwilling to budge when I say that I won't. [16-Apr-25 12:14 PM] jab.sh#0000 is it a specific app or will any TOTP app work? [16-Apr-25 12:14 PM] jcheung#0000 that's fair [16-Apr-25 12:14 PM] jab.sh#0000 although I do have okta on my personal phone mostly for convenience. [16-Apr-25 12:14 PM] potaterror#0000 Pretty sure any TOTP app will work, it's mostly just a principle thing as I've said. [16-Apr-25 12:15 PM] jab.sh#0000 well if it's just one more code in a sea of codes ๐Ÿ˜› [16-Apr-25 12:15 PM] jab.sh#0000 I use andotp for TOTP [16-Apr-25 12:15 PM] jab.sh#0000 scratch that [16-Apr-25 12:15 PM] jab.sh#0000 I use aegis [16-Apr-25 12:15 PM] jab.sh#0000 I forgot why I didn't use andotp now [16-Apr-25 12:15 PM] jab.sh#0000 I used to use authenticator plus [16-Apr-25 12:17 PM] jab.sh#0000 I get your principle, but if you already have a TOTP app set up and you're just adding one code, that feels different to me than installing "work apps" [16-Apr-25 12:17 PM] jab.sh#0000 idk maybe I'm more lax [16-Apr-25 12:21 PM] realharvey#0000 I dont care at all if I am supposed to install a authenticator app. I have that installed on company phone and private phone because I prefer convenience {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [16-Apr-25 12:53 PM] potaterror#0000 It's effectively the same. I just recently switched to GrapheneOS and prior to that didn't really treat my phone as a trusted device, so I wasn't doing anything on it that required any degree of authentication anyway. [16-Apr-25 01:03 PM] potaterror#0000 But even with that being the case, my work contact point is a number that I give out to businesses and such, not my "personal" one, and I've made it damned clear that I am not going to answer & won't reply unless I'm "on the clock" one way or another. [16-Apr-25 02:08 PM] harkenn#0000 If PE's only production is via BMP C+2H, why is it unproiftable to make? Is it just constantly overproduced by everyone and then being offloaded at a loss? [16-Apr-25 02:08 PM] harkenn#0000 (that seems an unlikely explanation) [16-Apr-25 02:09 PM] harkenn#0000 (or perhaps do I have PrunPlanner misconfigured....I wonder....this seems the overwhelmingly likely explanation) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [16-Apr-25 02:13 PM] .shiva.#0000 it should be showing as profitable, you have something off [16-Apr-25 02:19 PM] harkenn#0000 Maybe the fact I don't have FIO connected on PP? [16-Apr-25 02:20 PM] finestone#0000 PE is profitable even buying at ask and selling at bid are you on a manufac planet with 5 experts? [16-Apr-25 02:21 PM] harkenn#0000 I'm only just starting out on Phobos, I don't think its a manufacturing planet (or at least, I don't see Manufacturing listed under infrastructure (which is what I thought it would've shown)) [16-Apr-25 02:24 PM] finestone#0000 to tell what a planet is you need to look at the COGC (Chamber of global Commerece Building) [16-Apr-25 02:25 PM] finestone#0000 Phobos is an Electronics base hard starting out. [16-Apr-25 02:25 PM] archielvahr#0000 My first job was at a school information system company- think student tracking, grades, enrollments, lunch money, all that stuff. I started when there were 40 people at the company, a year and a half later there were 400. One of my tickets was the first ticket we ever had a code review for, basically the trial run for the new process. It was a small ticket, something to remove duplicate enrollments (one student enrolled twice in the same grade at a school). Well it got reviewed by my boss and team lead.... got approved... went to the staging server... and bam, it deleted every enrollment that *wasn't* duplicated. They had to restore all the staging servers, which apparently was a lot of work... but hey, that's what staging is for ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-Apr-25 02:26 PM] finestone#0000 It is not usually advised to build off COGC that being said I assume food production on phobos is still fine [16-Apr-25 02:27 PM] finestone#0000 since it has fertility its not terrible with farms/FP [16-Apr-25 02:28 PM] finestone#0000 if you have received the grant you could do SDs or CLR on PHobos [16-Apr-25 02:28 PM] harkenn#0000 The description says increases output, but is that just in the form of production throughput (reduced production time) or actual output efficiency (25% more output per input)? [16-Apr-25 02:28 PM] harkenn#0000 I've not gotten the grant or anything yet. I'm still under a basic license, just getting a feel and at least trying to be efficient [16-Apr-25 02:29 PM] finestone#0000 reduced production time [16-Apr-25 02:29 PM] archielvahr#0000 More output per unit time, plus more output per unit of workforce consumable (rations and DW). And thus more output per building depreciation. But not more output per input material. But it's a big deal. [16-Apr-25 02:30 PM] archielvahr#0000 But yeah, like Finest_One said, brand new players often want more variety on their starter planet, so it's fine. Especially on Phobos. [16-Apr-25 02:30 PM] finestone#0000 are you okay doing a Food setup for the moment i can put one together for you? [16-Apr-25 02:30 PM] finestone#0000 but whatever you do make sure to max experts [16-Apr-25 02:33 PM] harkenn#0000 Well, I'm like 3 days in; would it not be worthwhile to restart on either a planet condusive to construction or otherwise specialize with food? (I thought I saw somewhere there was a command to actually reset your own game?) [16-Apr-25 02:34 PM] harkenn#0000 I'm also curious what you mean @archielvahr in that new players want variety on their starter planet? Trying to generalize as a new player seemed counter-productive to getting up and running quickly [16-Apr-25 02:36 PM] archielvahr#0000 New players usually want to vertically integrate a few things on one planet. [16-Apr-25 02:36 PM] archielvahr#0000 The tutorial also points you in that direction, I think [16-Apr-25 02:37 PM] archielvahr#0000 Like I'm gonna extract water, grow crops, build an incinerator for carbon, AND smelt ore. [16-Apr-25 02:37 PM] archielvahr#0000 "optimal" would be only FRMs or only SMEs or only INCs on each planet. But if you are stuck with only one planet, having 20 of the same building is boring [16-Apr-25 02:38 PM] archielvahr#0000 And boring is worse than "optimal" for player retention ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-Apr-25 02:38 PM] archielvahr#0000 `COLIQ` is the reset command, it throws out everything and starts fresh. [16-Apr-25 02:39 PM] finestone#0000 CLQ is your choice, you certainly dont need to [16-Apr-25 02:39 PM] finestone#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1362150349888028802/image.png?ex=6814769e&is=6813251e&hm=2f872b177de2b6bfd69e6ab32274ee734f17d98fce675b9d4c5cc2b427acca1e& [16-Apr-25 02:39 PM] finestone#0000 here is a good phobos AG setup [16-Apr-25 02:39 PM] archielvahr#0000 So what I usually recommend is to build what you want, check it in PrunPlanner to make sure it vaguely makes sense... then as you grow into new planets, specialize more on each planet, making sure to match the planet's COGC [16-Apr-25 02:39 PM] finestone#0000 you could slowly transition in SD and CLR as you get more captitol or move to other planets {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [16-Apr-25 02:43 PM] jab.sh#0000 would you be open to restarting on Deimos? ๐Ÿ‘€ [16-Apr-25 02:43 PM] finestone#0000 That is what i did and quite enjoyed the learning process. If you end up getting pro and the grant this all just happens faster and you can go into whatever industry you want really [16-Apr-25 02:43 PM] jab.sh#0000 DNPC is looking for a Deimos base (#bulletin-board) [16-Apr-25 02:44 PM] jab.sh#0000 do you have pro? [16-Apr-25 02:48 PM] finestone#0000 The other thing to remember early on is you really want to be able to sell to BID's so that you can turn your ouputs into immediate cash to continue growing [16-Apr-25 02:49 PM] finestone#0000 that 16 day ROI is selling to Bids [16-Apr-25 02:50 PM] finestone#0000 Then you can transition into this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1362153159732232384/image.png?ex=6814793c&is=681327bc&hm=503245ed89e63555f222b9241c7db9c528a75e2890024a7d800abe3e68a1584c& [16-Apr-25 02:51 PM] finestone#0000 You can double your profit while still selling to bids but the ROI is terrible as it would cost roughly 3 million compared to the 650k FRM/FP base [16-Apr-25 02:56 PM] harkenn#0000 Had to step away for a second. Not ignoring this, will be back [16-Apr-25 02:59 PM] finestone#0000 All good take your time the other thing to pay attention to is Shipping import and export. [16-Apr-25 03:00 PM] finestone#0000 eventually you can upgrade your ships but that wont be for while probably 3+ bases depending on what your doing. [16-Apr-25 03:17 PM] laaxus#0000 @bishopsix {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿผ [16-Apr-25 03:17 PM] laaxus#0000 You should definitly install refined prun if you haven't already {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [16-Apr-25 03:17 PM] laaxus#0000 If you have any question please ask, WE love answering [16-Apr-25 03:18 PM] laaxus#0000 It's ok to do mistakes, most people reset After one week After they've learned [16-Apr-25 03:18 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah, take a look at #prun-resources {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [16-Apr-25 03:18 PM] bishopsix#0000 huh sweet [16-Apr-25 03:18 PM] laaxus#0000 If you don't know what to do, you Can Do your own spreadsheet or learn to use prunplanner [16-Apr-25 03:18 PM] laaxus#0000 And now, good night, for real {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘‹ (2) [16-Apr-25 03:18 PM] laaxus#0000 See ya [16-Apr-25 03:19 PM] bishopsix#0000 Thanks Laaxus! [16-Apr-25 03:19 PM] bishopsix#0000 All righty, first order of bizz is to check out all those links, I'll come back after a couple of days once I really sunk my teeth in this, with easter coming up I won't be so active, but after easter I'll be up online {Reactions} ๐Ÿฅš (2) [16-Apr-25 03:24 PM] finestone#0000 Prunplanner is great def use that by going to planet search and typing in your planet {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [16-Apr-25 03:26 PM] finestone#0000 then build base. I would recommend CX settings be {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1362162229734015236/image.png?ex=681481af&is=6813302f&hm=f5858847d53b2531bb3779d3c6b5273c9e22edfde8002d4990c751e0d7cce641& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [16-Apr-25 03:27 PM] finestone#0000 This will show you recipe profitability buying at ASK and selling at BID for ANT CX [16-Apr-25 03:27 PM] finestone#0000 Also dont forget your experts [16-Apr-25 03:28 PM] harkenn#0000 Not opposed to restarting, although if its not for construction (deimos seems to be metallurgy?) then I might as well stay where I'm out and try to continue with what I've got thus far (meager as it may be) and see how farming is. I don't have pro atm (was trying to get a feel for the game before I bought it). {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [16-Apr-25 03:29 PM] finestone#0000 what do you want to do long term? any ideas yet? Setting up farming on phobos is a great safe money maker then start planning your next base which is where the fun is! [16-Apr-25 03:30 PM] bishopsix#0000 literally same [16-Apr-25 03:30 PM] bishopsix#0000 except i dig dirt [16-Apr-25 03:31 PM] harkenn#0000 I liked the sound of construction, as far as the description of the various roles from the start of the game, and I'm liking the little bit of it that I'm doing thus far (at least, being able to build up the components I need to scale up my own production chain)...but I'm also cogniscent of the fact that at 2-3 days in I'm not sure I have any idea what I'm going to want to do, long term. [16-Apr-25 03:31 PM] bishopsix#0000 and get big rock [16-Apr-25 03:31 PM] jab.sh#0000 without pro sadly you can't really participate in DNPC, but if and when you decide to get pro I hope you'll consider joining us! we'd get you a full base and you'd still be eligible for the AGP for a 2nd base. DNPC is construction, Deimos specifically is for extraction and ore smelting (your base would be an EXT/COL base), and then AL is shipped to Nike where it's turned into BBH and BSE. [16-Apr-25 03:32 PM] harkenn#0000 Yeah, I figured that was a prerequisite, as it seems to be for any of the grant programs (which makes sense) [16-Apr-25 03:32 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah sadly player to player contracts are locked behind a paywall ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [16-Apr-25 03:34 PM] bishopsix#0000 I also saw that, seems... not great [16-Apr-25 03:35 PM] bishopsix#0000 that basically means that I can't trade the ore I get to a local warehouse? Or that I just can't give other players specifically the ore? [16-Apr-25 03:35 PM] jab.sh#0000 you can buy/sell on the CX [16-Apr-25 03:35 PM] finestone#0000 you just have to take it the ANT CX and sell it on the market {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [16-Apr-25 03:35 PM] bishopsix#0000 bleh [16-Apr-25 03:36 PM] jab.sh#0000 it basically means you can't pick your own price [16-Apr-25 03:36 PM] jcheung#0000 that was my reaction {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ’ฏ [16-Apr-25 03:36 PM] finestone#0000 ? You can still pick your own price just cant sell lower than bid? [16-Apr-25 03:36 PM] harkenn#0000 Right but since it sounds like you're needing EXT/COL on Deimos, that wouldn't be a construction start, right? (since the construction is on Nike, which it sounds like you have enough of?). Not sure I'm understanding what you're meaning to say you need, for that DNPC program/project [16-Apr-25 03:37 PM] jab.sh#0000 you're still limited to the market band, and there's no guarantee anyone will buy it at the price you pick ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-Apr-25 03:38 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah that's correct, but the start you pick only has a small impact on the game. once you have the capital you can put down a base on any planet [16-Apr-25 03:38 PM] jab.sh#0000 I think you get a free expert or two and some starting mats? that's pretty much the only difference between the starts. [16-Apr-25 03:38 PM] finestone#0000 I mean I would argue doing deals outside of CX priceband is pretty mehh [16-Apr-25 03:39 PM] jab.sh#0000 90% of my contracts are buys/sells for $0 or $1 ๐Ÿ˜› [16-Apr-25 03:39 PM] jab.sh#0000 actually probably closer to 99% [16-Apr-25 03:40 PM] finestone#0000 Different way to play i guess [16-Apr-25 03:41 PM] finestone#0000 If you like the sound of csontruction start messing around in PrPlanner with the following buildings {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1362165970231099523/image.png?ex=6814852b&is=681333ab&hm=b439eabba4a619084b97c9e5ded06bf97f3f38eac38c989bd6b978536fec99a2& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [16-Apr-25 03:41 PM] jab.sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1362166012040056923/screenshot_20250416144103.png?ex=68148535&is=681333b5&hm=661cb3c646c8ab09ca796c8dee9e18d2b5dceef7675b85c79074c8a2dae9c2f1& [16-Apr-25 03:41 PM] jab.sh#0000 bottom two are the Calypso (Taeral) contracts [16-Apr-25 03:43 PM] harkenn#0000 Right but that'll only be for the 2nd base, presumably, after switching Phobos over to agg for profitability? That's what you were advocating for earlier, right? [16-Apr-25 03:43 PM] finestone#0000 That is how i did it yes [16-Apr-25 03:44 PM] finestone#0000 eventually got my grant and setup a TIO extractor and a smelting planet [16-Apr-25 03:45 PM] finestone#0000 Nike and Aceland are both good candidates most of the fun is planning. ๐Ÿ™‚ [16-Apr-25 03:45 PM] jab.sh#0000 your Deimos base would be dedicated to DNPC, you'd be welcome to set up other bases to do whatever you want [16-Apr-25 03:49 PM] bishopsix#0000 I am assuming if I plop my base in Antares II - Deimos (ZV-759c) [16-Apr-25 03:49 PM] bishopsix#0000 it uuhhh [16-Apr-25 03:49 PM] bishopsix#0000 its fine as a miner? [16-Apr-25 03:54 PM] finestone#0000 On Deimos I recommend COL EXT and SME {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [16-Apr-25 03:55 PM] finestone#0000 Essentially smelt all your ALO and have excess O to sell occasionally [16-Apr-25 03:57 PM] jcheung#0000 i don't recommend the COL [16-Apr-25 03:58 PM] jcheung#0000 like it's not the worst thing [16-Apr-25 03:59 PM] jcheung#0000 but using that area for a SME and backhauling O when you deliver AL isn't too bad [16-Apr-25 03:59 PM] finestone#0000 It's not great profit BUT O has not been reliable as a big metallurgy player and it eases shipping [16-Apr-25 03:59 PM] jcheung#0000 mmm. okay, fair [16-Apr-25 03:59 PM] finestone#0000 It isn't needed tho for sure [16-Apr-25 04:03 PM] finestone#0000 Too clarify your not there to collect and sell O just enough to run the base [16-Apr-25 04:04 PM] finestone#0000 Metallurgy in general is in a rough spot in the market at the moment that being said I think GL is in a good spot along with FE/STL chain [16-Apr-25 04:05 PM] o.pie#0000 It says deimos has -5 plots available. What does this mean? [16-Apr-25 04:06 PM] o.pie#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1362172336253567096/image.png?ex=68148b18&is=68133998&hm=9fa0e6b712ea851349c9d06a39e76a46b10c01ca9c27596c16212e9e36f49276& [16-Apr-25 04:06 PM] finestone#0000 Starter planets can have more plots then is allowed by new players spawning there but existing players cant make a new base there [16-Apr-25 04:07 PM] harkenn#0000 ^ that's what I had figured would happen when I had the option to start on Deimos even though it had 0 slots available at the time. [16-Apr-25 04:07 PM] finestone#0000 -5 implies 6 players would have to go inactive/accounts delete/coliq for a slot to open up [16-Apr-25 04:08 PM] o.pie#0000 what does the (+2) mean? [16-Apr-25 04:09 PM] finestone#0000 I honestly don't know my guess would be recent change [16-Apr-25 04:09 PM] finestone#0000 Aka it gained 2 bases in the last week [16-Apr-25 04:11 PM] o.pie#0000 o k [16-Apr-25 04:13 PM] bishopsix#0000 i just joined so one of those might be me [16-Apr-25 04:17 PM] pxlfox.#0000 that (+2) indicates over population. Normally you can only setup a base on a planet with available plots. But since Deimos is a starter planet, new players can get there a base even tho the planet is technically full. Goes for every starter planet, but Deimos is especially most of the time overcrowded. [16-Apr-25 04:18 PM] harkenn#0000 Right but it says -5 on the left hand side (available plots) so how is it 5 plots over-used, but only 2 over population? [16-Apr-25 04:18 PM] pxlfox.#0000 doesnt for me {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1362175399890780192/image.png?ex=68148df3&is=68133c73&hm=30c35a595bef792360ba625c0c7896ee4f0d24d76ce27d341d72714c399bdc8d& [16-Apr-25 04:19 PM] pxlfox.#0000 maybe a display bug. It should show 0 / n and then (+ overcrowded) [16-Apr-25 04:19 PM] harkenn#0000 (I was going based on the screenshot above from opie, but to me it says -1 / 389 +2) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1362175669857026259/image.png?ex=68148e33&is=68133cb3&hm=66efc878c32f25e298244ff6c5370fdf814abba56d5b229aa49c92f3715f2d59& [16-Apr-25 04:20 PM] pxlfox.#0000 weird [16-Apr-25 04:20 PM] pxlfox.#0000 not sure where that comes from [16-Apr-25 04:22 PM] bishopsix#0000 tfw you don't have alo to make al for your first order [16-Apr-25 04:22 PM] bishopsix#0000 pain (5 hours till first drill gives alo lol) [16-Apr-25 04:23 PM] bishopsix#0000 does selling ore and smelted ore to the CX in Antares Station help you guys? [16-Apr-25 04:29 PM] finestone#0000 AL is used in alot of things so yepp! {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [16-Apr-25 04:31 PM] bishopsix#0000 I'm ready boss [16-Apr-25 04:31 PM] bishopsix#0000 https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-zoolander-movie-movie-zoolander-derek-zoolander-derekzoolander-gif-1143744921787762671 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-zoolander-movie-movie-zoolander-derek-zoolander-derekzoolander-gif-1143744921787762671 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/jIrXrcdqGdtt0BVAqH_njcJkqWkPorpd_v3D-e8Rgms/https/media.tenor.com/D99l8lDRB-8AAAAe/zoolander-zoolander-movie.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [16-Apr-25 04:56 PM] jab.sh#0000 pretty sure the -5 is a bug, and the +2 means there's 2 more bases than available bases (two ghost bases) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1362184845190631454/screenshot_20250416155559.png?ex=681496bf&is=6813453f&hm=eeb86aebf56923d289d2e41885754b4e386577d06db3bbe29275f06748e5abd8& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [16-Apr-25 08:03 PM] tanda#0000 Did anyone up production on UTS? I'm thinking about dropping a base to supply it and some other things [16-Apr-25 08:41 PM] getonthetrain#0000 I'm cranking out some [16-Apr-25 08:42 PM] getonthetrain#0000 but only because its needed currently [16-Apr-25 08:42 PM] getonthetrain#0000 not gonna do it forever [17-Apr-25 02:16 AM] akyantor#0000 Yes, Iโ€™m now the leader in production. About half of that will go to Deimos thoughโ€ฆ I'm selling the excess at 5k AIC a unit into ANT CX. [17-Apr-25 05:20 AM] bishopsix#0000 @old_bean will you wait for 500t of AL to send your first ship? [17-Apr-25 05:22 AM] old_bean#0000 ๐Ÿ‘ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [17-Apr-25 05:27 AM] realharvey#0000 500t doesnt fit in a starter [17-Apr-25 05:30 AM] old_bean#0000 ? [17-Apr-25 05:31 AM] old_bean#0000 Chac Chac ship carry 500t of rock [17-Apr-25 05:31 AM] old_bean#0000 https://i.gyazo.com/369c547889c285c05e9c22fd781ef61b.png {Embed} https://i.gyazo.com/369c547889c285c05e9c22fd781ef61b.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/VOZ5WVAxUntgc0nZ-XMLJXLRLjFAvviXwF_-HJFacOY/https/i.gyazo.com/369c547889c285c05e9c22fd781ef61b.png [17-Apr-25 05:32 AM] realharvey#0000 oh lol. I thought about 500 Units. Not 500T my bad {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [17-Apr-25 05:34 AM] bishopsix#0000 fit rock, just crush ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [17-Apr-25 05:34 AM] old_bean#0000 https://tenor.com/view/crush-smash-destroy-crumble-crushed-it-gif-13579274 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/crush-smash-destroy-crumble-crushed-it-gif-13579274 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1yr3IUO_e5IJHlrTqM9yuTku3cN9wCD9copOweWxoic/https/media.tenor.com/FbIKOJ_0xCAAAAAe/crush-smash.png [17-Apr-25 05:35 AM] old_bean#0000 Chac Chac shove rock powder in ship {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ (3) [17-Apr-25 05:36 AM] bishopsix#0000 https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-star-wars-gif-18467370 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-star-wars-gif-18467370 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/iBdi9hqsozCO4D_7F6xWd0Xx_VLILPFJ4Wc7szncrhk/https/media.tenor.com/2jgbEi-vCuQAAAAe/mando-way-this-is-the-way.png [17-Apr-25 09:39 AM] pagy1234#0000 lmao, funny visual bug {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1362437198024151241/Screenshot_2025-04-17_at_10.38.29_PM.png?ex=6814d904&is=68138784&hm=339c67022acf136ee48b0d94a44c56cb246bc2000fe373030a6742b8ed116d4d& [17-Apr-25 09:39 AM] pagy1234#0000 had all the materials in my inventory but it just didnt remove the order till I refreshed [17-Apr-25 09:48 AM] jab.sh#0000 I've seen that quite a bit recently [17-Apr-25 09:55 AM] evany.#0000 Giving away my sf?! [17-Apr-25 09:56 AM] harkenn#0000 There's not a limit to the experts you can have on a base, right? e.g. having experts assigned doesn't reduce the generation rate of other types of experts or anything like that? [17-Apr-25 09:56 AM] jab.sh#0000 you can assign up to 5 per industry, 6 total [17-Apr-25 09:57 AM] jab.sh#0000 but you still accumulate experts even if you have 6 assigned [17-Apr-25 09:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 what? [17-Apr-25 09:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 im buying sf? [17-Apr-25 09:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 wdym? [17-Apr-25 10:00 AM] jcheung#0000 You can think of each type of expert having its own xp bar. Each completion of matching industry gives xp. Assigning expert will speed up xp gain for that type, and not affect the others [17-Apr-25 10:01 AM] harkenn#0000 Ok, just wanted to make sure it wasn't a mechanic where there was a soft cap on the # of experts in a base (where generation of new experts progressively slows as the total number of experts on base grows) [17-Apr-25 10:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 5 is the max per industry [17-Apr-25 10:01 AM] jcheung#0000 No, jist a hard cap [17-Apr-25 10:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 as a hard limit [17-Apr-25 10:01 AM] jcheung#0000 It takes a few weeks to get full experts [17-Apr-25 10:01 AM] jcheung#0000 You'll get first 3 of a type fast [17-Apr-25 10:02 AM] harkenn#0000 right right, its just the sort of thing where I expected a soft cap, that's all. [17-Apr-25 10:02 AM] jcheung#0000 The last two take a long while [17-Apr-25 10:48 AM] old_bean#0000 Chac Chac not sure what new Deimos protector law is, law says free things Chac Chac like free things [17-Apr-25 10:50 AM] old_bean#0000 https://i.gyazo.com/c571a078eaeb312343b89a812807d124.png {Embed} https://i.gyazo.com/c571a078eaeb312343b89a812807d124.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/fYvv4MDVySBxWyF7WVddIf6gqa2lTtcJ9of76wsSisc/https/i.gyazo.com/c571a078eaeb312343b89a812807d124.png [17-Apr-25 10:52 AM] laaxus#0000 you can safely ignore motions [17-Apr-25 10:53 AM] laaxus#0000 i disabled them in the notification settings [17-Apr-25 10:53 AM] jab.sh#0000 but how will an uninformed constituent know how to vote?! [17-Apr-25 10:54 AM] laaxus#0000 you vote for the richest guy [17-Apr-25 10:54 AM] laaxus#0000 what could possibly go wrong ? [17-Apr-25 10:56 AM] jab.sh#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [17-Apr-25 10:56 AM] old_bean#0000 Chac Chac think most rocks should win {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (4) [17-Apr-25 10:57 AM] laaxus#0000 you and avacyn would get along [17-Apr-25 10:57 AM] jab.sh#0000 I don't think dogs like rocks [17-Apr-25 11:00 AM] laaxus#0000 what about dogs that like eating rocks ? [17-Apr-25 11:01 AM] jab.sh#0000 that sounds painful [17-Apr-25 11:01 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/eat-eating-bread-tasty-delicious-gif-16892723735751026218 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/eat-eating-bread-tasty-delicious-gif-16892723735751026218 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/SCk75lWPWUWQ7bT5J_sjuEHRKwi_KWnyLCbkaq6QUak/https/media.tenor.com/6m8CvHY_5ioAAAAe/eat-eating.png [17-Apr-25 11:10 AM] evany.#0000 i might have read that backwards {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [17-Apr-25 11:13 AM] harkenn#0000 Is expert generation chance scaled based on the tier of a producing structure? i.e. with 0 experts would you generate them faster by building/running 10 PPT1s versus 2 PPT3 (roughly the same cost to setup) [17-Apr-25 11:13 AM] evany.#0000 i wish there was a pause or skip button in production rather than delete [17-Apr-25 11:14 AM] evany.#0000 or even a pause this job if more than X of a material [17-Apr-25 11:14 AM] evany.#0000 shit even factorio has that button now that i think about it. [17-Apr-25 11:18 AM] .urpalhal#0000 No? I think itโ€™s on total run time of a building from that industry {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [17-Apr-25 11:19 AM] harkenn#0000 That's what I figured, from the way it was written in the corresponding help docs, thanks. [17-Apr-25 11:19 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Youโ€™re welcome [17-Apr-25 11:19 AM] evany.#0000 > Expert no. Days required Bonus > 1 10.00 3.06% > 2 12.50 6.96% > 3 57.57 12.48% > 4 276.50 19.74% > 5 915.10 28.40% [17-Apr-25 11:20 AM] jab.sh#0000 Factorio automatically pauses if the output is full, which technically prun does too [17-Apr-25 11:20 AM] evany.#0000 so if you have 10 buildings you will get expert #1 today (if its say 10 hour jobs, by end of 30 hours) [17-Apr-25 11:21 AM] evany.#0000 no i'm referring to if you have say 3 compnent/parts you wanted in a chest and its filled the other two - then it will only make the third component i.e you have 10+ FFC, stop making them whilst if i delete them in prun i have to remember to go add them back, but this feature is readily available using combinators in factorio [17-Apr-25 11:26 AM] harkenn#0000 Yeah, unfortunately it would seem Mort (fuck I can't think of his actual name, but I know its not "mort") would benefit from not being the only engineer. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ„ (2) ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [17-Apr-25 11:26 AM] harkenn#0000 Molk? [17-Apr-25 11:26 AM] harkenn#0000 Mulk? [17-Apr-25 11:26 AM] evany.#0000 something like that yeah. [17-Apr-25 11:27 AM] evany.#0000 he has a day job too though [17-Apr-25 11:27 AM] harkenn#0000 lol, IDK the gensis of the ๐Ÿ„ or how precisely it associates to me misnaming him; clearly there's history there I've not picked up on [17-Apr-25 11:29 AM] evany.#0000 regardless of dudes name your not wrong, but hard to justify i'm sure with the amount of money the game pulls in due to it being so niche [17-Apr-25 11:29 AM] harkenn#0000 Ah, yeah that's the real crux then. I would have said the silver lining is that it makes it more likely that he'd be willing to take on outside help if Prun isn't associated with a game development company...but if that were actually the case, he'd probably have already done it by now. [17-Apr-25 11:30 AM] harkenn#0000 I can feel someone preparing to type a link to #associate-offtopic [17-Apr-25 11:30 AM] jab.sh#0000 something something moooooolp [17-Apr-25 11:30 AM] harkenn#0000 Ah, makes perfect sense. Also might help me remember it. [17-Apr-25 11:30 AM] jab.sh#0000 (his name is molp) [17-Apr-25 11:32 AM] jab.sh#0000 a lot of the funding has come from the government as well [17-Apr-25 11:58 AM] bishopsix#0000 boys while I am trying to make AL for profit as a miner, in which direction do you need the industry to grow? What do we miss the most in Antares? [17-Apr-25 11:58 AM] bishopsix#0000 Im talking rare stuff as well, the things only a madman who can wait 2 weeks for a shipment to arrive to our CX stuff [17-Apr-25 11:58 AM] bishopsix#0000 spoiler its me [17-Apr-25 12:00 PM] pagy1234#0000 a bunch of the metals will be in heavy demand on 5/5/2025 when the update drops, lemme grab a list of which ones specifically {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [17-Apr-25 12:02 PM] bishopsix#0000 @old_bean check it out [17-Apr-25 12:02 PM] pagy1234#0000 Acording to Taiyi, CU, LI, SI, AL and AU will be in increased demand after update {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [17-Apr-25 12:03 PM] bishopsix#0000 thank god I got at least 1 I will search for the rest close to base and deploy a home there [17-Apr-25 12:03 PM] bishopsix#0000 thank you @pagy1234 [17-Apr-25 12:03 PM] pagy1234#0000 deimos a great place to start, see if you can get an extraction base going to mine and smelt to metals [17-Apr-25 12:03 PM] getonthetrain#0000 I think SI demand will greatly increase [17-Apr-25 12:03 PM] getonthetrain#0000 but that means so does AL as well [17-Apr-25 12:03 PM] bishopsix#0000 oh i am already on it, got my first 3 AL today {Reactions} AL [17-Apr-25 12:04 PM] pagy1234#0000 all 5 of those are pretty heavily used in the electronics that AIR and WR need, so lets see [17-Apr-25 12:04 PM] bishopsix#0000 I will just stockpile until i make a full cargo haul run [17-Apr-25 12:04 PM] pagy1234#0000 no way to know until the update drops {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [17-Apr-25 12:04 PM] pagy1234#0000 is your base fully built? [17-Apr-25 12:05 PM] jab.sh#0000 if you do get pro, don't forget to check out PSK to get your starter ships upgraded {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [17-Apr-25 12:05 PM] bishopsix#0000 yeah I followed the tut and got 2 habs and 1 extr + 1 smelter [17-Apr-25 12:06 PM] pagy1234#0000 did you apply for the AGC grant yet? [17-Apr-25 12:06 PM] bishopsix#0000 im still free [17-Apr-25 12:06 PM] bishopsix#0000 gotta be sure before pulling the trigger [17-Apr-25 12:06 PM] bishopsix#0000 (im an addict for these games though so...) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [17-Apr-25 12:06 PM] bishopsix#0000 https://tenor.com/view/danger-gif-15291718235185428481 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/danger-gif-15291718235185428481 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ONi-7-eKOJrvAZ40-7fPhVS6ARudFWhO60e2UsHqANk/https/media.tenor.com/1DcYt0WXOAEAAAAe/danger.png [17-Apr-25 12:08 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah fair enough [17-Apr-25 12:09 PM] pagy1234#0000 if you really arnt sure after like a week or something, see if someone can pass you a code for 1 month of PRO {Reactions} โค๏ธ [17-Apr-25 12:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 don't even ask how many hours I have in factorio ๐Ÿ˜ถ {Reactions} ๐Ÿค (3) ๐Ÿ‘†๐Ÿฝ ๐Ÿซ  [17-Apr-25 12:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 or gift time [17-Apr-25 12:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 since that's a thing now ๐Ÿ˜„ [17-Apr-25 12:09 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I'm working on it I just need to find the command to generate the key [17-Apr-25 12:09 PM] pagy1234#0000 oh yeah right [17-Apr-25 12:09 PM] pagy1234#0000 forgot about that [17-Apr-25 12:09 PM] pagy1234#0000 I think Hal98 know how to do it [17-Apr-25 12:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah how do you do keys [17-Apr-25 12:10 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 found it [17-Apr-25 12:10 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 @bishopsix check your dms {Reactions} โค๏ธ [17-Apr-25 12:10 PM] jab.sh#0000 how do you do keys [17-Apr-25 12:11 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 if you are a supporter, you go to the account page for your account (https://prosperousuniverse.com/account) then it is under "perks" [17-Apr-25 12:11 PM] jab.sh#0000 ah you have to be a supporter [17-Apr-25 12:11 PM] jab.sh#0000 thought so ๐Ÿ˜„ [17-Apr-25 12:11 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 gifting is entirely in game though [17-Apr-25 12:12 PM] jab.sh#0000 indeed [17-Apr-25 12:12 PM] pagy1234#0000 might aswell use codes if you have them ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [17-Apr-25 12:12 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 anyway maurader should have a key now so that should solve that once they put it in ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ โค๏ธ [17-Apr-25 12:12 PM] pagy1234#0000 basically paid for the codes time if you got a supporter pack, and theres no way to give the codes to urself so [17-Apr-25 12:17 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 ๐Ÿ‘ป [17-Apr-25 12:17 PM] pagy1234#0000 ๐Ÿฆ‡ [17-Apr-25 12:18 PM] old_bean#0000 https://tenor.com/view/captain-caveman-jump-blank-gif-26068128 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/captain-caveman-jump-blank-gif-26068128 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/X-avA-hEjbtabSZHsgtkHqSTT-K4tU9CJxPcXXoeRJ4/https/media.tenor.com/qB6EeRWCY6EAAAAe/captain-caveman-jump.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [17-Apr-25 12:28 PM] bishopsix#0000 Thank you @random_di5cord_user ! {Reactions} โค๏ธ [17-Apr-25 12:29 PM] jvaler#0000 it's afk time i swear ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜ญ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (3) [17-Apr-25 12:41 PM] harkenn#0000 From the government? There's a government out there funding the development of Prun? [17-Apr-25 12:42 PM] laaxus#0000 germany used to finance prun, a bit [17-Apr-25 12:55 PM] jab.sh#0000 yep, the German government has given them a few grants [17-Apr-25 12:55 PM] harkenn#0000 Interesting; I wonder what they get out of it [17-Apr-25 12:56 PM] laaxus#0000 soft power [17-Apr-25 12:57 PM] laaxus#0000 as well as buying vote, directly or indirectly [17-Apr-25 01:49 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 a translation, IIRC [17-Apr-25 03:32 PM] jab.sh#0000 is rep based on player contracts or npc contracts? or both [17-Apr-25 03:46 PM] akyantor#0000 Player contractrs. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [17-Apr-25 06:13 PM] jvaler#0000 looks like somebody didn't use the right settings for their ai image generator lmao {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1362566689232916642/image.png?ex=6814a8dd&is=6813575d&hm=65af3a168efe732192b8e3814fd2a80e1d4c216d4eb6c5f6c6a7a166302df0a3& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1362566689501221107/image.png?ex=6814a8de&is=6813575e&hm=556e616d6150eb7ebcbb2c3c1ddea1d132120905dbe9a1ec6b902b8069423516& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1362566689958531163/image.png?ex=6814a8de&is=6813575e&hm=309246bd76c037d10901e25d5a49b893deb8396ef04d32e3c823c8ef4aef1575& [17-Apr-25 06:17 PM] jvaler#0000 baked in the oven too long ๐Ÿ˜ท [17-Apr-25 06:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol the cheeta thing [17-Apr-25 06:57 PM] sidepipe#0000 Canโ€™t wait to see all the Wilde Exterzken at the Wali Pakk! [18-Apr-25 02:57 AM] vanarazor#0000 We should do a factorio game someday [18-Apr-25 03:24 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The feel a bit like central/west European (German, Dutch, French) I can kinda guess what they might be meaning [18-Apr-25 04:36 AM] laaxus#0000 that guy isn't even doing that much habitat ? [18-Apr-25 06:53 AM] tanda#0000 It's impossible to gauge the demand on HAB without selling out for 6 months first, lol [18-Apr-25 06:54 AM] tanda#0000 HAB is pretty much entirely backroom deals to get what you need, since so few people have UPFs [18-Apr-25 07:09 AM] evov#0000 There's a few things working against HAB availability. 1. Probably the biggest one is charity. Pop inf is often viewed as a "public good". So when Gov's put out the call asking for materials to upgrade stuff, potential producers often provide them at a discount. In some cases, they sell for less than cost of the input materials. This makes it very very unattractive for people to set up any production with HAB/LU/WOR as the goal. That, coupled with relatively low demand consistency means planning to make these goods is a very bad business. 2. The building that makes them (UPF) also makes command bridges and crew quarters. I think people would be shocked to know the price I'd have to sell HAB/WOR/LU for in order to meet the same profitability margins as I'd make on some of those ship parts. [18-Apr-25 07:14 AM] tanda#0000 2) I get, but it's shocking to see how many non-ship builders completely dismiss UPFs as a profit stream at all [18-Apr-25 07:21 AM] evov#0000 Looking at HAB - There's been zero sold on the CX in the past week. There are - 32 currently available on the CX. Prices range from 120k to 180k I would say it very very very meets the definition of a product that is currently over supplied. [18-Apr-25 07:22 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah but is the price of those hab fair ? [18-Apr-25 07:22 AM] laaxus#0000 I could put 100 million LTA on the cx, if they're priced 500k AIC/u, no one will buy them and can barely be called "supply" [18-Apr-25 07:23 AM] evov#0000 The cheapest HAB's are for 120k. I don't know if that's "fair" or not. I know that I wouldn't bother making any if there's zero sales of it. [18-Apr-25 07:23 AM] laaxus#0000 true enough [18-Apr-25 07:24 AM] laaxus#0000 liquidity is a vertuous cycle [18-Apr-25 07:25 AM] evov#0000 As I said in #1 - it's the heavily discounted private trade that prevents the markets from handling price/volume properly for those items. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [18-Apr-25 07:28 AM] evov#0000 It drives me nuts when I see people in corp's complain about how they think something should be cheaper than it is. Omg why is this thing that I need but don't make so expensive! I think it should cost XX. And then you realize that person is buying all their FIM and RATS and Carbon and all these other things from an internal corp market, so their perspective on pricing is just.... delusional. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [18-Apr-25 07:28 AM] laaxus#0000 What about me who think x should cost XX, but I buy everything from the CX and I'm one of the largest producer of x ? ๐Ÿ˜„ [18-Apr-25 07:29 AM] evov#0000 Well, if you think something is mis-priced, you should take advantage of it and start producing it if you think it's way too expensive. Or, if it's too cheap, start buying it up and stop making it. [18-Apr-25 07:30 AM] evov#0000 Complaining that other people don't agree with your view on pricing isn't one of the valid choices. [18-Apr-25 07:30 AM] laaxus#0000 I think AL is too cheap, but I can't buy enough of it for the price to go up ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [18-Apr-25 07:30 AM] laaxus#0000 I don't complain with anybody in particular [18-Apr-25 07:31 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm just like "mmmm AL at 30k profit / day might not be fair" (IDK what the current profitability is) [18-Apr-25 07:33 AM] realharvey#0000 its 47k [18-Apr-25 07:36 AM] zillatron#0000 isnt that counter to say, whatever price you think LTA should be? if the input goods price goes up so will the end product, no? [18-Apr-25 07:40 AM] laaxus#0000 What I mean by "should be" is "ideally" Market price is market price, I don't get to set it with words [18-Apr-25 07:41 AM] zillatron#0000 sure, my question was more if you think the 'ideal' price of AL is too low but LTA is 'too high', arent those things somewhat counter to eachother? [18-Apr-25 07:42 AM] zillatron#0000 i mean not somewhat, they are haha [18-Apr-25 07:42 AM] laaxus#0000 my ideal price of LTA is relative to the price of AL [18-Apr-25 07:42 AM] laaxus#0000 shall the price of AL rise as I wish, so will my ideal price of LTA [18-Apr-25 07:43 AM] laaxus#0000 by price, I'm talking more about the profitability of a recipe Than the absolute price of the good [18-Apr-25 07:44 AM] zillatron#0000 500 days or whatever it was ago when i started AL was something like 500/u, 600 was a 'good' price (for me). C, FLX and AL have all gone up since then, O is reasonably stable iirc [18-Apr-25 07:44 AM] zillatron#0000 so im not sure i follow the logic that whatever fabs that use AL are 'overpriced' given all the input goods have also increased in price over time [18-Apr-25 07:45 AM] harkenn#0000 AL is used in so many things, I'm not sure its actually very accurate to say the price of the two is tied to one another. And for LTA in particular, its not even the dominant production cost; glass is, right? [18-Apr-25 07:45 AM] zillatron#0000 it was just an example [18-Apr-25 07:45 AM] zillatron#0000 obvioulsy it's not the *only* factor [18-Apr-25 07:46 AM] zillatron#0000 i just find the logic perplexing haha [18-Apr-25 07:49 AM] laaxus#0000 I just think that 350k profit per day might a bit too much for a PP2 recipe ๐Ÿ˜„ [18-Apr-25 07:50 AM] harkenn#0000 Does the universe periodically reset? Or is the spareseness (relatively) of planetary development just due to limited playerbase? [18-Apr-25 07:50 AM] laaxus#0000 yes, once every 10 years [18-Apr-25 07:50 AM] laaxus#0000 /j [18-Apr-25 07:50 AM] laaxus#0000 don't expect the universe to reset any time soon [18-Apr-25 07:50 AM] laaxus#0000 my bet is a 3 to 5 years range [18-Apr-25 07:51 AM] harkenn#0000 Has it ever been reset? [18-Apr-25 07:51 AM] laaxus#0000 yes [18-Apr-25 07:51 AM] laaxus#0000 (<- he doesn't know) [18-Apr-25 07:51 AM] harkenn#0000 oh ok, how long ago? I didn't know precisely how long prun has been in development [18-Apr-25 07:52 AM] laaxus#0000 you can always look at the age of the universe by looking at usr molp [18-Apr-25 07:53 AM] harkenn#0000 So 4 years it looks like. I like how he has a planet out on his own [18-Apr-25 08:09 AM] evov#0000 Everyone should get their own planet at some point just to see what it's like. [18-Apr-25 08:13 AM] laaxus#0000 I want etherwind {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [18-Apr-25 08:15 AM] sidepipe#0000 Having your own planet is nice. I needed SET for making KOM so I ran an immigration program and added an INF. Bam, basically 300 SET on demand [18-Apr-25 01:39 PM] bishopsix#0000 Heya folks, while I am building up my AL base in Deimos, I wanted to ask apart from that, what other base do you all need? I could go greedy for 2 AL bases and I am fine with that to go crazy with ALO, bonkers, even. [18-Apr-25 01:39 PM] bishopsix#0000 Heck, why not 10 bases for AL [18-Apr-25 01:39 PM] bishopsix#0000 well, you get the gist ๐Ÿ˜„ [18-Apr-25 01:40 PM] laaxus#0000 The best thing you can do is make profitable bases [18-Apr-25 01:40 PM] laaxus#0000 if a base is very profitable, it means it's fulfilling something antares need [18-Apr-25 01:40 PM] bishopsix#0000 i never thought of it that way ๐Ÿค” [18-Apr-25 01:41 PM] laaxus#0000 in that scenario, I would usually give a list of the most profitable bases [18-Apr-25 01:41 PM] laaxus#0000 but the game just had major changes planned, so the whole market is reshuffling [18-Apr-25 01:41 PM] laaxus#0000 it's hard to know what will be needed in a month [18-Apr-25 01:42 PM] bishopsix#0000 will there be a server reset? [18-Apr-25 01:42 PM] laaxus#0000 no [18-Apr-25 01:42 PM] laaxus#0000 don't expect a server reset before a few years {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [18-Apr-25 01:42 PM] bishopsix#0000 sounds like a great time to experiment then! [18-Apr-25 01:43 PM] laaxus#0000 if you don't know what to do, you can make a wpl base on hephaestus [18-Apr-25 01:43 PM] laaxus#0000 however, if you have the time, I would recommend making a base on prunplanner for every single building It will take a lot of time, but you'll discover every single recipe [18-Apr-25 01:44 PM] bishopsix#0000 that's crazy! I love it [18-Apr-25 01:44 PM] bishopsix#0000 I will do that and check out what seems most fun to me {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [18-Apr-25 01:45 PM] bishopsix#0000 i didnt expect purplanner to be the real game lol [18-Apr-25 01:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Most of PrUn is the planning [18-Apr-25 01:45 PM] laaxus#0000 I consider Prunplanner and Rprun to be core part of the experience {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [18-Apr-25 01:45 PM] laaxus#0000 and spreadsheets, the recommended dlc [18-Apr-25 01:48 PM] bishopsix#0000 hah I can see that yeah [18-Apr-25 01:50 PM] laaxus#0000 Anyway, the base I would recommend currently are WPL on hephaestus, and POL base on any chem planet that is not bober {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ (2) [18-Apr-25 01:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Heh Bober [18-Apr-25 01:54 PM] laaxus#0000 it's quite hard to predict what will be profitable in one month, as FRM FP EXT(HAL) CHP are not as secure as it once was [18-Apr-25 02:02 PM] bishopsix#0000 \ [18-Apr-25 03:39 PM] vanarazor#0000 Why you say that? FRM HER is good, FP RAT FIM is good, ext HAL is probably not since if feels like we donโ€™t have enough CHP to process it so CHP NA would be nice too [18-Apr-25 06:30 PM] tanda#0000 FRM/HER is going to take a hit, hard to say what it's going to stabilize at. FP RAT FIM is going to be weird as well [18-Apr-25 06:30 PM] tanda#0000 keep in mind that a LOT of people are moving out of IDC right now, and it will be to unpredictable markets [18-Apr-25 06:30 PM] tanda#0000 Past performance is not a predictor of future results [18-Apr-25 10:13 PM] pagy1234#0000 Imagine my suprise {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1362989398253244447/Screenshot_2025-04-19_at_11.13.05_AM.png?ex=6814e10b&is=68138f8b&hm=104d9358033d4ba5bd934422c321b706e6e65e93d30f3899776803268c418b1b& {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [18-Apr-25 10:16 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1362990204641607690/image.png?ex=6814e1cb&is=6813904b&hm=079b642b09556d982ea19a36d275da340030da8bca62b48eaba1614cd9f87a95& [18-Apr-25 10:16 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/biLDQ.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/crying-sad-raining-stitch-come-back-gif-16827028 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Luu-wjx0F-YqH8ta1UXcjkVyVGSOEWSEZ7-xF99K-2k/https/media.tenor.com/1lp0bPFTZKgAAAAe/crying-sad.png [18-Apr-25 10:16 PM] jcheung#0000 jvaler ^ [18-Apr-25 10:18 PM] jvaler#0000 what the fuck [18-Apr-25 10:18 PM] jvaler#0000 that's like leaving the game behavior who does that [18-Apr-25 10:19 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, no idea [18-Apr-25 10:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Frenetic left tho [18-Apr-25 10:19 PM] sidepipe#0000 you'll never believe this ๐Ÿ˜„ [18-Apr-25 10:19 PM] pagy1234#0000 someone else did the same last week when liquidating [18-Apr-25 10:19 PM] jvaler#0000 oh damn rip [18-Apr-25 10:19 PM] jvaler#0000 didn't know that [18-Apr-25 10:20 PM] sidepipe#0000 quit over the IDC changes iirc [18-Apr-25 10:20 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm a little hoarder, i wanna see how much my equity will go up from inflation by hoarding physical items {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1362991343588085960/image.png?ex=6814e2db&is=6813915b&hm=9dd5e5bceab104e18530b9a02dfd5247e237a0f7b8ac7891a9a8393e5538a322& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1362991343944859738/image.png?ex=6814e2db&is=6813915b&hm=f2c6c95e0f63c8d565ed277d60f4299bc79bf4d73ea91f95c0aab8ceacc18554& [18-Apr-25 10:22 PM] jcheung#0000 so far it looks like... it went down? [18-Apr-25 10:23 PM] jvaler#0000 that's from base degradation [18-Apr-25 10:23 PM] jvaler#0000 it'll level out [18-Apr-25 10:23 PM] jvaler#0000 i think... [18-Apr-25 10:23 PM] sidepipe#0000 you could demo your bases if you don't want them to degrade [18-Apr-25 10:24 PM] jcheung#0000 i wonder if you can make enough at highest degradation to turn a profit [18-Apr-25 10:24 PM] jvaler#0000 but then when i come back i gotta wait for POPRs... [18-Apr-25 10:24 PM] jvaler#0000 wait but it's kinda selfish to hoard pop like this while not paying taxes [18-Apr-25 10:24 PM] sidepipe#0000 it's either that or the world's worst repair bill ๐Ÿ˜„ [18-Apr-25 10:24 PM] jcheung#0000 you're providing them a place to live [18-Apr-25 10:24 PM] jvaler#0000 lel [18-Apr-25 10:25 PM] jcheung#0000 which if it's the first 3 tiers i hear that alone does a lot [18-Apr-25 10:25 PM] jvaler#0000 ehhhh it's 90% PIO/SET ppl won't miss a couple hundred here or there [18-Apr-25 10:26 PM] jvaler#0000 this has gotta burst at some point, right? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1362992851826381002/image.png?ex=6814e443&is=681392c3&hm=b2c0762c2da9bb5caedc5fbafbec0fe02663c245947975af3e2894f705fc0c40& [18-Apr-25 10:27 PM] jvaler#0000 a few months before i stepped away i was looking at selling weeks worth of C and the prices were so dissapointing then [18-Apr-25 10:27 PM] jvaler#0000 but it hasn't changed at all lol [18-Apr-25 10:28 PM] pagy1234#0000 its climbing slowly [18-Apr-25 10:28 PM] jcheung#0000 emphasis on slow {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [18-Apr-25 10:28 PM] pagy1234#0000 and theres barely any volume on the market until at least 800/u [18-Apr-25 10:39 PM] vanarazor#0000 what the hell!!! [18-Apr-25 10:39 PM] vanarazor#0000 gimme some grapes!!!!!!! I ll turn it into WINE!!!! ๐Ÿ™‚ [18-Apr-25 10:40 PM] jvaler#0000 wait actually? no way [18-Apr-25 10:41 PM] jvaler#0000 the numbers looked far more generous than i would have made them lol [18-Apr-25 10:42 PM] jvaler#0000 iirc someone said it's at ~100k/d now? [18-Apr-25 10:43 PM] pagy1234#0000 just under that I believe [18-Apr-25 10:44 PM] pagy1234#0000 its not not even bad [18-Apr-25 10:44 PM] pagy1234#0000 its just got turned into a normal base, and because of that people cry because they were so brainwashed by IDC propoganda to believe that they are entitled to 15k/u [18-Apr-25 10:46 PM] jvaler#0000 it's not just not bad, it's *good* [18-Apr-25 10:46 PM] jvaler#0000 bases >100k are something you (usually) have to chase market conditions for, not sit comfortably on indefinitely. if you wanna do that you should expect 40-80k/d imo {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [18-Apr-25 10:47 PM] pxlfox.#0000 200k and more are often bubbles and shortages [18-Apr-25 10:47 PM] jvaler#0000 yup [18-Apr-25 10:47 PM] jvaler#0000 and IDC was like 250k/d or something insane like that {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [18-Apr-25 10:47 PM] jvaler#0000 iirc... [18-Apr-25 10:48 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah well, I think there are quite a few people who rely completely on IDC to fund their companies, and they dont want to have to deal with reduced income, even if its just going from super absurd to medium-good level [18-Apr-25 10:49 PM] pagy1234#0000 I barely broke 200k with this FIM bubble [18-Apr-25 10:49 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Proves the point [18-Apr-25 10:49 PM] pagy1234#0000 yup [18-Apr-25 10:50 PM] pagy1234#0000 yall remember that masterdemon guy in the offical server? [18-Apr-25 10:50 PM] pagy1234#0000 that guy had me laughing {Reactions} nookhaha kewk [18-Apr-25 10:50 PM] pxlfox.#0000 All of my โ€œessentialโ€ bases are round 50k - at most [18-Apr-25 10:50 PM] pagy1234#0000 3 EDC bases and 7 non functional bases lol [18-Apr-25 10:50 PM] jvaler#0000 wdym non functional? [18-Apr-25 10:50 PM] pagy1234#0000 crying about his 2.7 mil rev dropping to low 1mils [18-Apr-25 10:51 PM] pagy1234#0000 4 bases on planets with single digit pop, and 3 partially build bases where he wants to be gov [18-Apr-25 10:51 PM] jvaler#0000 ah [18-Apr-25 10:51 PM] pagy1234#0000 lol [18-Apr-25 10:52 PM] pxlfox.#0000 IDC bases made it easier to let the game idle, it guess [18-Apr-25 10:52 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Those will be most like be the ones who complain the most [18-Apr-25 10:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Heh master demon [18-Apr-25 10:53 PM] jvaler#0000 wait people were actually complaining?? in the main server? [18-Apr-25 10:53 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Now you have to _think_ and _interact_ with the game {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [18-Apr-25 10:53 PM] jvaler#0000 lmfao [18-Apr-25 10:53 PM] pxlfox.#0000 A LOT [18-Apr-25 10:54 PM] jvaler#0000 ??????? [18-Apr-25 10:54 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Like an hour long discussions how stupid those changes are [18-Apr-25 10:54 PM] jvaler#0000 i wanna call them entitled but it's just a game so [18-Apr-25 10:54 PM] pxlfox.#0000 And frentic straight out rage quit the game over it [18-Apr-25 10:55 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, at least 2 people COLIQed on the spot iirc [18-Apr-25 10:55 PM] jvaler#0000 LOL [18-Apr-25 10:55 PM] jvaler#0000 ~~and nothing of value was lost~~ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ (4) [18-Apr-25 10:56 PM] jvaler#0000 not in a personal way, they just produced no tangible items =P [18-Apr-25 10:56 PM] pxlfox.#0000 A few complained it will ruin SCI pops and they are now โ€œimpossible to fundโ€ [18-Apr-25 10:56 PM] jcheung#0000 ....not really [18-Apr-25 10:57 PM] jcheung#0000 SCI probably has the most reasonable tax [18-Apr-25 10:57 PM] jcheung#0000 people just need to realize that [18-Apr-25 10:58 PM] pxlfox.#0000 This game had always lots of people with strong opinions to topics. I think most of the players agree, that those changes are overall good and healthy for the game and are excited about the upcoming changes. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [18-Apr-25 10:58 PM] jvaler#0000 i need to read this discussion i'm dying to see their reasoning [18-Apr-25 10:58 PM] tanda#0000 Need to keep in mind this Masterdemon guy is governor of Jeetiyu and kept taxes super low on... ?principle? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‘ [18-Apr-25 10:58 PM] jvaler#0000 when was this? [18-Apr-25 10:58 PM] tanda#0000 He always went at Archiel over taxes on Malahat, I know that much [18-Apr-25 10:58 PM] pagy1234#0000 thats exactly what the masterdemon guy said was outrageous, he kept claiming that the phobos gov was stealing 2 mil a week or something lol [18-Apr-25 10:58 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Not long after the news dropped in the forums [18-Apr-25 10:59 PM] tanda#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183249178156089374/1361371807113936966 [18-Apr-25 10:59 PM] tanda#0000 time stamp leading to links on main discord [18-Apr-25 10:59 PM] jvaler#0000 well wait phobos *does* have a revenue excess doesn't it? else the phobos fund wouldn't exist... [18-Apr-25 10:59 PM] pagy1234#0000 he couldnt understand that he was basically paying 10-15k tax on a base that made like 300k profit [18-Apr-25 11:00 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah but that money is shared all around, not like the phobos government gets it into their pockets lol [18-Apr-25 11:00 PM] jvaler#0000 not that i'm against the phobos fund, i think public antares devlopment projects are great for the game [18-Apr-25 11:00 PM] jvaler#0000 but i can see the argument that taxes should only go to upkeep/upgrading the planet they're collected from [18-Apr-25 11:01 PM] tanda#0000 I 100% don't agree with the last point when it's IDC/EDC blood money [18-Apr-25 11:01 PM] tanda#0000 (overly dramatized) [18-Apr-25 11:01 PM] jvaler#0000 when you get into MM farm territory the economics fly out the window [18-Apr-25 11:01 PM] jvaler#0000 cause it's just fake money printers at that point [18-Apr-25 11:01 PM] jvaler#0000 you have no right to complain [18-Apr-25 11:02 PM] tanda#0000 But I am a firm proponent of all planets past a certain stage being able to pay their own way from their own taxes [18-Apr-25 11:02 PM] jvaler#0000 OH but phobos is the MM farm planet... i remember why phobos fund exists now lol [18-Apr-25 11:02 PM] tanda#0000 anything else is charity [18-Apr-25 11:02 PM] pagy1234#0000 https://discord.com/channels/350171287785701388/350171288267915277/1361355609814859845 [18-Apr-25 11:02 PM] pagy1234#0000 lol [18-Apr-25 11:03 PM] jvaler#0000 yes :chad: [18-Apr-25 11:03 PM] jvaler#0000 we WILL take your money [18-Apr-25 11:06 PM] jvaler#0000 tyty [18-Apr-25 11:07 PM] pxlfox.#0000 https://discord.com/channels/350171287785701388/350171288267915277/1361322203442053270 [18-Apr-25 11:07 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Thatโ€™s the beginning [18-Apr-25 11:07 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Lots to read tho [18-Apr-25 11:09 PM] tanda#0000 man, I think I just read the first hour and the last bit of it [18-Apr-25 11:09 PM] tanda#0000 lots of the middle I haven't seen [18-Apr-25 11:09 PM] tanda#0000 it mostly looks like ADI and COSM picking on masterdemon, though {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [18-Apr-25 11:11 PM] jvaler#0000 hm [18-Apr-25 11:13 PM] sidepipe#0000 I joined in one single time because we had the same argument with him about taxes on Malahat ages ago [18-Apr-25 11:13 PM] sidepipe#0000 Which are like 1/2 of Phobos taxes if that [18-Apr-25 11:13 PM] tanda#0000 his general idea seems to run them as low as possible? [18-Apr-25 11:14 PM] sidepipe#0000 Donโ€™t get me wrong, he knows how to run a planet for sure - we just donโ€™t all agree that the absolute minimum possible tax is necessarily the best tax ๐Ÿ˜„ [18-Apr-25 11:14 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, but he also had some unrealistically low numbers in his sheet for what upkeep goods cost {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [18-Apr-25 11:14 PM] sidepipe#0000 I can run a planet for free if I can make up the prices ๐Ÿ˜› [18-Apr-25 11:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 If I make it it cost no dollars [18-Apr-25 11:15 PM] jvaler#0000 so true [18-Apr-25 11:16 PM] sidepipe#0000 But I think when he set prices to CX ask, the upkeep cost he calculated got pretty close to the historical costs for Phobos [18-Apr-25 11:31 PM] jvaler#0000 no fucking way https://discord.com/channels/350171287785701388/350171288267915277/1361351930949144716 [18-Apr-25 11:32 PM] jvaler#0000 this guy is INTENTIONALLY PLANNING on making ship parts AT A LOSS and then complaining that MM farms won't completely subsidize that anymore {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (5) [18-Apr-25 11:32 PM] jvaler#0000 why should they??? [18-Apr-25 11:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/ok-schizo-ok-schizo-schizophrenia-gibbon-gif-23667455 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/ok-schizo-ok-schizo-schizophrenia-gibbon-gif-23667455 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/PdqcE4_w68RhEbrEb9JiZuXPzPkX1iquumQGMQ2zM8o/https/media.tenor.com/aAd5HOwzorQAAAAe/ok-schizo-ok.png [18-Apr-25 11:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 That tells me all I need to know about him [18-Apr-25 11:33 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't even believe that's true given what apple said their profits are(idk where they got those numbers) [18-Apr-25 11:36 PM] jvaler#0000 and he says they're overpriced... but according to what? if making the parts at your "correct price" = at a loss big enough to not be covered by MM farms, doesn't that mean the input costs justify the ship part prices? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [18-Apr-25 11:37 PM] zillatron#0000 That was a hell of a convo ๐Ÿ˜…my brain still hurts [18-Apr-25 11:49 PM] jab.sh#0000 well "at cost" not "at a loss" but still yeah ๐Ÿ˜„ [18-Apr-25 11:50 PM] tanda#0000 even if it's at cost, the EDC/IDC is capable of subsidizing that, just not as effectively as it was [18-Apr-25 11:52 PM] jvaler#0000 are those not the same? [18-Apr-25 11:53 PM] vanarazor#0000 help: what does that mean when a contract draft is being in progress? [18-Apr-25 11:53 PM] vanarazor#0000 I need to send it but it won't let me send it [18-Apr-25 11:53 PM] jvaler#0000 you haven't saved your changes yet [18-Apr-25 11:53 PM] vanarazor#0000 nah I did and did it again [18-Apr-25 11:53 PM] vanarazor#0000 weird [18-Apr-25 11:53 PM] vanarazor#0000 oh man I ll just re do it [18-Apr-25 11:54 PM] vanarazor#0000 thanks [18-Apr-25 11:54 PM] jab.sh#0000 at cost means you make $0, at a loss means you lose money (you make -$) [18-Apr-25 11:54 PM] jvaler#0000 oh [18-Apr-25 11:54 PM] jvaler#0000 i thought it meant "at (personal) cost" aka negative income [18-Apr-25 11:54 PM] jab.sh#0000 aah [18-Apr-25 11:56 PM] archielvahr#0000 It's weird because he was never the one filling the planet. The previous governor was always the one to fill it. But yeah, taxes were eating into his IDC money and he was very upset about it {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (4) [18-Apr-25 11:57 PM] tanda#0000 man, I can't imagine being that stingy [18-Apr-25 11:58 PM] tanda#0000 everytime a GOV says tax money isn't enough, I tell them to bump it up {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ (2) [18-Apr-25 11:58 PM] archielvahr#0000 everytime someone complains about IDC taxes, I tell them to bump it up [19-Apr-25 12:48 AM] jcheung#0000 should double it every time [19-Apr-25 01:17 AM] manhim#0000 Using MM farms to force everyone into making MM farms because everything else becomes unprofitable due to MM farms being used as subsidies for everything. Peak capitalism. {Reactions} kewk ๐Ÿ’ฏ [19-Apr-25 04:25 AM] evov#0000 It's not peak capitalism at all. MM's are artificial incentives determined at the whims of a central planning party of 1. Removing all MM's and artificial incentives would be far more capitalistic imo. [19-Apr-25 04:30 AM] pagy1234#0000 LEAD -> EDC -> MM price for EDC [19-Apr-25 07:35 AM] razenpok#0000 You need to print money somehow tho [19-Apr-25 08:56 AM] manhim#0000 https://tenor.com/view/13-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82-gif-14026559412000478194 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/13-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82-gif-14026559412000478194 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/s2qCEIhC_VHPWj424z5fFRdnStm3sPxfpxIathHeaSI/https/media.tenor.com/wqhZeCUzU_IAAAAe/13-%25D0%25BA%25D0%25B0%25D1%2580%25D1%2582.png [19-Apr-25 09:45 AM] jvaler#0000 wouldn't that be revenue not profit? [19-Apr-25 09:47 AM] tanda#0000 It would, but it does give us a baseline for how much profit they will generally make off those bases [19-Apr-25 09:48 AM] jvaler#0000 oh they replied saying they make 2mil [19-Apr-25 09:48 AM] jvaler#0000 so that sounds about right [19-Apr-25 09:48 AM] tanda#0000 per day? [19-Apr-25 09:49 AM] jvaler#0000 i think so [19-Apr-25 09:49 AM] jvaler#0000 cause apple said per day [19-Apr-25 09:49 AM] tanda#0000 yeah, I'm not even sorry for them. That's what my empire makes per day but my revenue is 6.3mil [19-Apr-25 10:04 AM] riseoffilth#0000 mad lads [19-Apr-25 10:18 AM] tanda#0000 damn it I need another construction planet [19-Apr-25 10:22 AM] realharvey#0000 You cant get enough construction planets and I cant get enough Chem :D [19-Apr-25 10:24 AM] tanda#0000 oh I need chem, but I still have options. It's looking like I need another EPO and an NR planet [19-Apr-25 10:34 AM] realharvey#0000 whats your finch looking like? You've been expanding a lot I think [19-Apr-25 10:35 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1363176172996923432/image.png?ex=6814e63e&is=681394be&hm=d9079c02a2058b04babbea796ee59eac5f6aca4c66afbd8c1cda65e3df76558a& [19-Apr-25 10:36 AM] tanda#0000 I'm about to do a base restructuring as well. Some parts of my empire just make little sense anymore [19-Apr-25 10:50 AM] realharvey#0000 I had a big restructuring once aswell. I deleted about 9 bases I think [19-Apr-25 10:51 AM] realharvey#0000 at how many bases are you? [19-Apr-25 11:00 AM] jcheung#0000 i keep looking at these new MM changes and everything i've looked at has required SAR >.< driving me nuts [19-Apr-25 11:01 AM] jcheung#0000 in other news, SAR might be a good thing to produce [19-Apr-25 11:01 AM] jcheung#0000 ...anyone planning on making it? [19-Apr-25 11:02 AM] laaxus#0000 Not me, at least [19-Apr-25 11:02 AM] realharvey#0000 also a no from me [19-Apr-25 11:02 AM] tanda#0000 yep! [19-Apr-25 11:02 AM] tanda#0000 mostly to go into MM stuff, but it's in the works [19-Apr-25 11:03 AM] tanda#0000 I'm at 23 bases currently [19-Apr-25 11:03 AM] jcheung#0000 gonna have any overproduction of SAR? [19-Apr-25 11:03 AM] tanda#0000 5 of those permits are going to get moved [19-Apr-25 11:03 AM] tanda#0000 I'll be honest, I don't know {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [19-Apr-25 11:04 AM] jcheung#0000 i'll see if i remember to ask around in a month or two ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Apr-25 11:04 AM] jcheung#0000 say tanda [19-Apr-25 11:04 AM] jcheung#0000 where was your REA project at again? [19-Apr-25 11:05 AM] tanda#0000 it's on YK-266c [19-Apr-25 11:05 AM] igfloz#0000 I currently make SAR for PSK - thats gonna drop soon [19-Apr-25 11:14 AM] sidepipe#0000 Maybe I just need to focus my BWS permits on SAR instead ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Apr-25 11:14 AM] tanda#0000 or BMF, lol [19-Apr-25 11:14 AM] tanda#0000 half the MMs are SAR heavy, half them are BMF heavy [19-Apr-25 11:15 AM] igfloz#0000 ^^ which I also make for PSK ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Apr-25 11:16 AM] sidepipe#0000 Youโ€™re picking the wrong time to quit - hang onto those for a month and sell them for a fortune first ๐Ÿ˜‚ [19-Apr-25 11:21 AM] sidepipe#0000 Jokes aside - the MMs will probably need more tweaking, but itโ€™s nice to see that the money printing will be using a lot of those more uncommon materials for ships etc [19-Apr-25 11:38 AM] realharvey#0000 This might lead to more shipbuilding Intermediate products being available on the CX [19-Apr-25 12:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 Thatโ€™s the dream [19-Apr-25 01:52 PM] jcheung#0000 i need a bigger screen {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1363225865646772469/image.png?ex=68151485&is=6813c305&hm=af9bc3e3e86fc3d791d75cfae2b01a0639ecc5ff0824efdf9458f8cfb5743389& [19-Apr-25 02:59 PM] evov#0000 For whatever it's worth - this is my build plan to make drones. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1363242610323623968/image.png?ex=68147b5e&is=681329de&hm=4ee131a4d2d8c0ccaed7f98fa3ffe07376d03664d363d8f599f0340193dfb0b6& [19-Apr-25 03:00 PM] evov#0000 So I'll be buying a lot more stuff from the CX in addition to putting down 5 new bases. [19-Apr-25 03:16 PM] realharvey#0000 are those all full permit bases? [19-Apr-25 03:20 PM] jcheung#0000 hey. @pxlfox. you were looking to offload CU? there's another 14/d! [19-Apr-25 03:24 PM] pxlfox.#0000 EvoV should have a shit ton of CU from me from earlier ๐Ÿ˜… [19-Apr-25 03:25 PM] harkenn#0000 Is 55k / day a decent base design for a starting construction base? Would appreciate thoughts https://prunplanner.org/shared/7eade9cf-3ad9-428a-b28d-dcb6c6746f4b {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/7eade9cf-3ad9-428a-b28d-dcb6c6746f4b PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [19-Apr-25 03:25 PM] harkenn#0000 Oh, i guess planning would be better for this. [19-Apr-25 03:25 PM] pxlfox.#0000 55k is fine [19-Apr-25 03:26 PM] evov#0000 Some are. I scaled it to fit 1 full DRS base. [19-Apr-25 03:31 PM] pxlfox.#0000 bfabs have near to no margin atm and lfabs aren't great either [19-Apr-25 03:33 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I have a bfab/lfab base myown to reduce building costs. I switch on/off orders whenever they get unprofitable {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1363251062382788760/image.png?ex=6814833d&is=681331bd&hm=ec53caecec37dd8ecb25423ac901a469520f77d36561025e65e6e48ede5b02f2& [19-Apr-25 03:33 PM] pxlfox.#0000 but it's barely worth the permit [19-Apr-25 03:44 PM] jab.sh#0000 or #agp-operations ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Apr-25 03:46 PM] harkenn#0000 Hrm, why are they coming up as reasonably profitable, then, I wonder. I have my CX set to buy at buy and sell at sell, unless I have something else amiss? [19-Apr-25 03:48 PM] jcheung#0000 well [19-Apr-25 03:48 PM] jcheung#0000 they're reasonably profitable, but they're not *great* [19-Apr-25 03:49 PM] jcheung#0000 to be clear they're not *bad* for starting out [19-Apr-25 03:49 PM] jcheung#0000 everything is currently also in a weird state of flux {Reactions} true [19-Apr-25 04:48 PM] jvaler#0000 hehe :FLX: [19-Apr-25 04:50 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bQVmX.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/soldering-bad-gif-24967573 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1ROzek5jwWJthqtPaQctNuibrAB-GwP1dZtuRWQNLLQ/https/media.tenor.com/vDjvQ4BAC-oAAAAe/soldering-bad.png [19-Apr-25 04:50 PM] jcheung#0000 oh god, i didn't watch that first, i regret posting it [19-Apr-25 04:59 PM] igfloz#0000 well....... it looks like the iron tip is fluxed, not a lot else tho ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Apr-25 05:07 PM] jvaler#0000 i know nothing about electronics but i know that doesn't look right :dread: [19-Apr-25 05:28 PM] jcheung#0000 tbh looks like flux core with how it's bubbling [19-Apr-25 05:28 PM] jcheung#0000 yes, that's way too large of a tip and way way way way too much solder and heat [19-Apr-25 05:30 PM] igfloz#0000 That was kinda my point - might have missed the mark - but yeah, overall this is akin to using an excavator to plant flowers in your garden [19-Apr-25 05:31 PM] igfloz#0000 https://tenor.com/view/ren%C3%A9e-slater-excavator-gif-22103924 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/ren%C3%A9e-slater-excavator-gif-22103924 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Of97ehfJfBaW1bRTY6DhbcIP7gSt8YDqX_iDXfalavY/https/media.tenor.com/m0iqtQy92p4AAAAe/ren%25C3%25A9e-slater.png [19-Apr-25 05:55 PM] jcheung#0000 more like using a TBM to drill a hole for your gas pipe [19-Apr-25 08:01 PM] finestone#0000 Starting out I think generally goal should be sub 21 day ROI with being able to sell to bid. That implies a market demand for said good and you will get instant cash. [19-Apr-25 08:03 PM] finestone#0000 I think that rule will carry you well into 10+ bases at which point you can start to think about total income per permit and you will also need to balance shipping more carefully possibly expanding your fleet depending on what you are doing. [20-Apr-25 03:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 next target: 2.5mil profit๐Ÿ˜› {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1363430065022570597/Screenshot_2025-04-20_at_4.23.00_PM.png?ex=68148132&is=68132fb2&hm=d52035707889b8ea8c2ceeebd83d0545c44fde0d587382873b6162c922278b96& {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ ๐Ÿ‰ โค๏ธ [20-Apr-25 03:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 Norwick super carrying this tho lol [20-Apr-25 03:36 AM] realharvey#0000 Why exactly 2.5 mil? [20-Apr-25 03:43 AM] laaxus#0000 Gonna be harder than you think [20-Apr-25 03:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 quarter of the way to 10 mil i guess [20-Apr-25 03:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 was gonna say 10 mil [20-Apr-25 03:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 but thats kinda outrageous [20-Apr-25 03:43 AM] laaxus#0000 HQ 20 is when permit starts really expensive [20-Apr-25 03:43 AM] laaxus#0000 To be* [20-Apr-25 03:44 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah D: [20-Apr-25 03:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 lets hope I can get into some higher teir products [20-Apr-25 03:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 got any ideas? [20-Apr-25 03:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 I have a few mil to blast on a base [20-Apr-25 03:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 just dont know waht [20-Apr-25 03:52 AM] vanarazor#0000 Are you part of any project? [20-Apr-25 03:52 AM] pagy1234#0000 Im doing a bit of CORGI [20-Apr-25 03:53 AM] vanarazor#0000 Isee halcyon electronica origo yeah {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [20-Apr-25 03:53 AM] pagy1234#0000 but I dont think that really counts cuz its just set up a base and contribute [20-Apr-25 03:53 AM] vanarazor#0000 hence why the extra HAL [20-Apr-25 03:54 AM] vanarazor#0000 im in the same boat, Im thinkking about dropping another POL base [20-Apr-25 03:54 AM] pagy1234#0000 for PG? [20-Apr-25 03:54 AM] vanarazor#0000 but still will be extra HAL, so I ve looked into LI smelting.. and I;ve got scared [20-Apr-25 03:54 AM] vanarazor#0000 EPO / PG equally [20-Apr-25 03:55 AM] vanarazor#0000 it sells well and I Kind of need the PG for hephaestus prod [20-Apr-25 03:55 AM] vanarazor#0000 your margins are so good [20-Apr-25 03:55 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1363438032534900788/image.png?ex=6814889e&is=6813371e&hm=b90e0b63d99666cc5f8d48b2753b1b7407c62b10968bb6c1c0c5ed7eb97d36c2& [20-Apr-25 03:56 AM] pagy1234#0000 same lol [20-Apr-25 03:56 AM] vanarazor#0000 but so many of my bases are part of a project that gets me a payout after 1-2-3 weeks [20-Apr-25 03:57 AM] vanarazor#0000 it feels like xit finpr does not reflect the actual margin [20-Apr-25 03:57 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah [20-Apr-25 03:57 AM] pagy1234#0000 is EPO better than PG? [20-Apr-25 03:58 AM] vanarazor#0000 not really it depends which ones of the ingredients you managed to have vertically integrated IMO [20-Apr-25 03:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah fair [20-Apr-25 03:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 what do you have going for EPO? [20-Apr-25 03:59 AM] vanarazor#0000 I need to provide MG H O {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1363438885790810182/image.png?ex=68148969&is=681337e9&hm=aec63540a5210c2436841be8259fab6865b96e8a81300684ffe38d014c386808& [20-Apr-25 03:59 AM] vanarazor#0000 how many ships are you running ? [20-Apr-25 03:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 2 ftl [20-Apr-25 03:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 1 stl [20-Apr-25 04:00 AM] pagy1234#0000 but im about to get my 3rd real ship [20-Apr-25 04:00 AM] vanarazor#0000 most of the ideas I have would require me to get more ships [20-Apr-25 04:00 AM] vanarazor#0000 yeah shipping is the bottleneck [20-Apr-25 04:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 same for me, thats why i saved for a bit to get a new ship[ [20-Apr-25 04:01 AM] realharvey#0000 at the beginning ships will slow you down for quite a bit in expansion. But once you have a decent size buying a new ship is just a week of profit {Reactions} โค๏ธ [20-Apr-25 04:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 imo thats still alot [20-Apr-25 04:02 AM] vanarazor#0000 what dop you rpoduce on thalassa A ? DW? [20-Apr-25 04:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah [20-Apr-25 04:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 and little COF [20-Apr-25 04:03 AM] vanarazor#0000 you have norwick and thalassa A as FP bases where are your HYF /FRM ? [20-Apr-25 04:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 FRM on harmonia and phobos [20-Apr-25 04:03 AM] realharvey#0000 a week is nothing in terms of time in this game {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [20-Apr-25 04:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 then a RIG base on ISA for the H2O [20-Apr-25 04:03 AM] vanarazor#0000 have you thought about Thalassa B for AGRI ? [20-Apr-25 04:04 AM] pagy1234#0000 I did, but its very expensive [20-Apr-25 04:04 AM] vanarazor#0000 yeah I know I wanted to expand in thalassa but repair in term of INS and HSE are scary ( luckily Tanda is providing them at very fair prices) way too fair IMO [20-Apr-25 04:05 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, the INS price is most of the reason that I dont expand more in SE-110 [20-Apr-25 04:08 AM] vanarazor#0000 i don;t understand how you brought your STL ship in the designated area [20-Apr-25 04:09 AM] vanarazor#0000 it has FTL abilities but you just don;t use them right ? [20-Apr-25 04:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 theres a shipyard in SE-110c [20-Apr-25 04:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 i just built it there [20-Apr-25 04:12 AM] pagy1234#0000 nah [20-Apr-25 04:13 AM] vanarazor#0000 true [20-Apr-25 04:13 AM] vanarazor#0000 interesting [20-Apr-25 04:14 AM] pagy1234#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1363442682667729098/Screenshot_2025-04-20_at_5.14.21_PM.png?ex=68148cf3&is=68133b73&hm=82d45a2d7f4fd8d0e5ea958224c7a155fd67a5e59a8ccd53409cd313a18ed0fd& [20-Apr-25 04:15 AM] laaxus#0000 There's no secret base making 300k per permit [20-Apr-25 04:16 AM] laaxus#0000 Best you Can Do is MM [20-Apr-25 04:16 AM] laaxus#0000 That's what the bigger player do [20-Apr-25 04:16 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah fair, but I can just make the MM items [20-Apr-25 04:16 AM] pagy1234#0000 like what are some intermadiate items I could do is what Im asking pretty much [20-Apr-25 04:19 AM] vanarazor#0000 look at the rabbit hole for HAL > LI > CB*/POW [20-Apr-25 04:20 AM] vanarazor#0000 IDC is still pretty good if you have 15KK to invest and have most of your consumables integrated [20-Apr-25 04:20 AM] vanarazor#0000 WAI seems to be the way for SL [20-Apr-25 04:20 AM] realharvey#0000 no one really knows how the market will react and who will produce which component. Some might rely on the market and others will fully integrate every step themselfs [20-Apr-25 04:22 AM] vanarazor#0000 My thinking was: Im producing MEA now should I stop or not ? if I don't stop how can use my MEA > SCI building > ECA / SL ( kind of way too expensive for my wallet top get into) if I do > I ll probably just produce FIM instead which at the moment is way better than MEA T_T [20-Apr-25 04:22 AM] vanarazor#0000 I feel like dumping my stock on the market to be honest [20-Apr-25 04:24 AM] vanarazor#0000 what base is making 300 K per permit ? MM mats? [20-Apr-25 04:24 AM] vanarazor#0000 IDC at best is making 250K wit 60 d ROI [20-Apr-25 04:25 AM] realharvey#0000 300k per permit is usually things that are currently heavily underproduced [20-Apr-25 04:25 AM] realharvey#0000 those bases also have a high risk of: You have stock sitting on the CX that doesnt sell for quite a while [20-Apr-25 04:25 AM] realharvey#0000 giving you cash flow issues [20-Apr-25 04:25 AM] vanarazor#0000 like what R fabs > [20-Apr-25 04:26 AM] laaxus#0000 None [20-Apr-25 04:26 AM] laaxus#0000 RFabs don't make 300k [20-Apr-25 04:26 AM] laaxus#0000 They make 120k at best (except maybe rde but I'm onto it) [20-Apr-25 04:27 AM] vanarazor#0000 every build Im looking at, I see a ton of R fabs ..even HQ upgrades need them [20-Apr-25 04:27 AM] laaxus#0000 Count on me to keep RFabs and LFabs Price low [20-Apr-25 04:27 AM] laaxus#0000 Yeah, it doesn't mean heavy profit [20-Apr-25 04:27 AM] laaxus#0000 AL is extremely needed, and yet it's only 50k per permit [20-Apr-25 04:27 AM] vanarazor#0000 I mean, the demand is always going to be greater right ? [20-Apr-25 04:28 AM] vanarazor#0000 AL is needed but there not enough Fabs to use what 's being produced [20-Apr-25 04:28 AM] laaxus#0000 Again, doesn't mean PP3 base make 300k [20-Apr-25 04:28 AM] laaxus#0000 Check for yourself on prunplanner [20-Apr-25 04:29 AM] vanarazor#0000 nah I checked Im bottlenecked by cash flow ( and ships which is cash flowas well ) [20-Apr-25 04:30 AM] laaxus#0000 RFabs aren't very liquid either [20-Apr-25 04:30 AM] evov#0000 There's lots of things that make more than 300k per permint. But... they're usually pretty expensive to set up, and often rely on either complex production lines, temporarily high prices for what you're making, or low prices for the input materials. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1363446837394018415/image.png?ex=681490d1&is=68133f51&hm=21d835e2f39e7d18a0b7d41762dabd06cf419b3e11f0e40e20a519b39cead894& [20-Apr-25 04:33 AM] laaxus#0000 I meant consistent 300k [20-Apr-25 04:33 AM] vanarazor#0000 it feels like Im seeing a PrPlan ship factory here [20-Apr-25 04:33 AM] laaxus#0000 PP3 make a consistent 120k [20-Apr-25 04:33 AM] laaxus#0000 but which base make a consistent 300k ? [20-Apr-25 04:34 AM] vanarazor#0000 I've looked a bit today and the best I found for consistency is IDC at 250k [20-Apr-25 04:34 AM] evov#0000 Just saying... just because YOU don't know of any bases that make 300k... doesn't mean there aren't any. [20-Apr-25 04:34 AM] vanarazor#0000 given that neext update is not tomorrow [20-Apr-25 04:35 AM] laaxus#0000 Ok Bad writing from my part, meant "none that I know of" [20-Apr-25 04:35 AM] laaxus#0000 If you know bases that make a consistent 300k, please tell me [20-Apr-25 04:35 AM] evov#0000 No [20-Apr-25 04:36 AM] laaxus#0000 :Sadge: [20-Apr-25 04:36 AM] evov#0000 They're my bases ๐Ÿ™‚ [20-Apr-25 04:36 AM] evov#0000 Do your own homework ๐Ÿ™‚ [20-Apr-25 04:36 AM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-clapping-clap-applause-amazing-gif-16078907558888063471 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-clapping-clap-applause-amazing-gif-16078907558888063471 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/jGrrOowhwF8Ff9Stxzh_hXiHsn9Bbncp2pSt2CeeL8E/https/media.tenor.com/3yPBPC_dwe8AAAAe/leonardo-dicaprio-clapping.png [20-Apr-25 04:38 AM] evov#0000 At the end of the day, everything is subject to market forces. Things can go up or down in profitability. Even things like MM's (IDC) can be heavily disrupted by a spike in MEA prices. [20-Apr-25 04:41 AM] realharvey#0000 if something makes a lot of margin consistently, then good on you. Once you tell others it might stop being as profitable [20-Apr-25 05:25 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Im happy about 100k per base ๐Ÿ˜‚ {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [20-Apr-25 05:25 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Most of mine are around 50k {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [20-Apr-25 05:29 AM] vanarazor#0000 Happiness is invaluable [20-Apr-25 05:29 AM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/rainbow-spongebob-imagination-gif-8764636 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/rainbow-spongebob-imagination-gif-8764636 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/0oPo50hxzsXhmBopYWZoLltutQx3pSqW6Ado9iiM9WA/https/media.tenor.com/Ojl7Cdv6yB0AAAAe/rainbow-spongebob.png [20-Apr-25 06:29 AM] vanarazor#0000 @Market Alerts {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1363476562019614861/image.png?ex=6814ac80&is=68135b00&hm=c7f9a877583654b2342bc1e062190f6840207566686a710ebb08349c0ad3a743& [20-Apr-25 06:29 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 sucks to be dependent on the CX [20-Apr-25 06:31 AM] pagy1234#0000 fr [20-Apr-25 06:31 AM] pagy1234#0000 might need to farm CAF and buy HER [20-Apr-25 06:31 AM] vanarazor#0000 or drop a base on THALASSA B [20-Apr-25 06:31 AM] vanarazor#0000 ๐Ÿ™‚ [20-Apr-25 06:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah let see [20-Apr-25 06:46 AM] zillatron#0000 ~~I've been listing regularly and there's more on the way, don't panic (yet)~~ I didnt have my glasses on haha i thought that said AEF (i *am* making that to feed the CX though...) [20-Apr-25 07:30 AM] zillatron#0000 nothing wrong with either of these numbers if you're making money you're making money :stonks: [20-Apr-25 07:32 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It's about how _fast_ you're making money ๐Ÿ˜‚ but honestly, as long as you keep to it, you'll be eventually one of the big players. [20-Apr-25 07:33 AM] zillatron#0000 paitence is hard ๐Ÿ˜„ [20-Apr-25 07:35 AM] realharvey#0000 There is always the possibility, that someone that competes with your project leaves the game or abandons the production of that good and you ll make more money {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [20-Apr-25 07:37 AM] zillatron#0000 i donno what line you cross to become a 'big' player but i crossed 250m equity today :PartyParrot: {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ (4) [20-Apr-25 07:37 AM] pxlfox.#0000 20+ bases imo [20-Apr-25 07:38 AM] pxlfox.#0000 that's where the late-game starts in my head [20-Apr-25 07:38 AM] zillatron#0000 channelling my inner ferengi has worked pretty well ahha [20-Apr-25 07:38 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm closing in to the 100m equity [20-Apr-25 07:38 AM] zillatron#0000 20 bases or 20 permits? [20-Apr-25 07:38 AM] pxlfox.#0000 let's say 20 permits [20-Apr-25 07:38 AM] pxlfox.#0000 but I personally don't do multi-permit bases [20-Apr-25 07:40 AM] zillatron#0000 another hot topic lol [20-Apr-25 07:41 AM] zillatron#0000 i have 3, dont @ me :Pepe_DiscoDJ: [20-Apr-25 07:42 AM] pagy1234#0000 3 bases? [20-Apr-25 07:42 AM] zillatron#0000 3 multi permit bases [20-Apr-25 07:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I don't find them "bad" [20-Apr-25 07:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And there might be cases, where they even make sense [20-Apr-25 07:52 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I think everybody should be aware of the mechanic and that you "lose" space for the convenience of a larger planet base [20-Apr-25 07:52 AM] zillatron#0000 like a lot of things in this game (and a lot of others), it's a trade off [20-Apr-25 07:53 AM] zillatron#0000 just comes down to what works for you imo [20-Apr-25 07:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 In any case - no hate from me for something so irrelevant [20-Apr-25 07:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 (or any hate for anything to be honest xD) [20-Apr-25 07:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 This is still a game, even tho it feels like a real operation sometimes [20-Apr-25 07:55 AM] zillatron#0000 yeah, you do you. Make more stuff faster! ( โ„ข๏ธ @evov 2023 ) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Ž [20-Apr-25 07:55 AM] pxlfox.#0000 shuffling some bases around (again) [20-Apr-25 07:56 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Love it - especially with SME stuff ๐Ÿ™ƒ {Reactions} pachawinters [20-Apr-25 08:22 AM] realharvey#0000 I've kind of run out of good planets I want to work on. Multi permitting might be a solution for me now that I think of it [20-Apr-25 08:31 AM] bishopsix#0000 Does having 2 permits allow you to expand into another industry in the same base? [20-Apr-25 08:33 AM] realharvey#0000 no you should still stick to one industry, because you want the 5 Export Bonus {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [20-Apr-25 11:03 AM] harucyber#0000 :dread: [20-Apr-25 11:04 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Are you buying GRA or GRN? [20-Apr-25 11:05 AM] harucyber#0000 oh shit [20-Apr-25 11:05 AM] harucyber#0000 im actually special or something [20-Apr-25 11:05 AM] harucyber#0000 i just realized [20-Apr-25 11:05 AM] harucyber#0000 ty ๐Ÿ˜ญ [20-Apr-25 11:23 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s ok [20-Apr-25 11:23 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s a simple typo [20-Apr-25 11:23 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I think I can say everyone here has done something similar [20-Apr-25 11:29 AM] laaxus#0000 Never confused MGC with MCG [20-Apr-25 11:31 AM] tanda#0000 I have, lol [20-Apr-25 11:31 AM] tanda#0000 the price difference was startling [20-Apr-25 12:08 PM] tanda#0000 NL is starting to look really decent at the moment {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1363561952579948846/image.png?ex=6814fc07&is=6813aa87&hm=b34db8a58ce91d28f70c1179d5bb28646f3e929475687701a3c469d9075b2ee5& [20-Apr-25 12:09 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1363562156687102012/image.png?ex=6814fc37&is=6813aab7&hm=a291bbf09ca5396b5c4504acb2c0bc18bc6f2224dd3ac90917e6db117555e05b& [20-Apr-25 12:17 PM] jcheung#0000 what the actual [20-Apr-25 12:17 PM] jcheung#0000 12k? damn [20-Apr-25 12:18 PM] tanda#0000 looks like everybody's self producing. I was thinking about using the CX instead of dropping a base for it, but I might have to rethink that [20-Apr-25 12:18 PM] .shiva.#0000 More than LDE lol [20-Apr-25 12:19 PM] .shiva.#0000 CX has always been kinda shaky for it imo [20-Apr-25 12:19 PM] .shiva.#0000 Goes in and out of being viable quite a bit [20-Apr-25 12:20 PM] .shiva.#0000 WPLs just kinda suck production/area wise [20-Apr-25 12:23 PM] jcheung#0000 easy low maintenance base though [20-Apr-25 12:24 PM] jcheung#0000 also i would slot a PPF instead of 2 STO [20-Apr-25 12:24 PM] .shiva.#0000 Yeah, but at the same time kinda not one that's super attractive for new players since bulk PG is kinda expensive to stock up on [20-Apr-25 12:25 PM] jcheung#0000 yes [20-Apr-25 12:25 PM] jcheung#0000 that is true [20-Apr-25 12:25 PM] jcheung#0000 i started off with WPLs but i also was basically borrowing the PG [20-Apr-25 12:25 PM] tanda#0000 I'm about to need a full base per day, lol [20-Apr-25 12:26 PM] laaxus#0000 And it cost half of that on hephaestus [20-Apr-25 12:27 PM] jcheung#0000 can contract a new player to build it and supply their base [20-Apr-25 12:27 PM] tanda#0000 yep, I was looking at it from the perspective of me having to drop it, lol [20-Apr-25 12:27 PM] laaxus#0000 Yes, I'm drafting a bulletin Board order for leased bases [20-Apr-25 12:27 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm getting ready to think about leasing one myself [20-Apr-25 12:28 PM] laaxus#0000 But my family KEEP keeping me busy [20-Apr-25 12:42 PM] pagy1234#0000 i have a pretty big pile of PG on heph, and it keeps getting bigger by like 3k a day [20-Apr-25 12:42 PM] pagy1234#0000 if thats any help [20-Apr-25 01:08 PM] realharvey#0000 well no one is buying NL for that price tho [20-Apr-25 01:08 PM] realharvey#0000 my limit is about 8k. Never gonna pay that much oof [20-Apr-25 01:12 PM] tanda#0000 even at 7.5k that base is pretty good [20-Apr-25 01:17 PM] jcheung#0000 people are gonna make it crash hard again soonโ„ข๏ธ [20-Apr-25 01:18 PM] tanda#0000 oh, ofc because niche items like that rubberband a lot [20-Apr-25 01:21 PM] jcheung#0000 regret needing to liquidate my NL a couple months back [20-Apr-25 03:33 PM] vanarazor#0000 im coming to save y'all: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1363613611460792513/image.png?ex=68148363&is=681331e3&hm=b74bf58ea08682e50416fcc22e576865fa34ca0323ea8fc43b2c7d07222e7992& [20-Apr-25 03:35 PM] vanarazor#0000 PG is going to rise a little bit more means EPO too [20-Apr-25 05:09 PM] i4gor8082#0000 i feel like im gonna get shunned for constant underbidding [20-Apr-25 05:09 PM] i4gor8082#0000 i am sorry i like money [20-Apr-25 05:13 PM] moke.#0000 Shunned? Nah. Undercut too much and it'll just get relisted though [20-Apr-25 05:14 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, the market corrects for all [20-Apr-25 05:15 PM] tanda#0000 and for the times it doesn't, that's when group projects come in [20-Apr-25 05:15 PM] jcheung#0000 well [20-Apr-25 05:15 PM] jcheung#0000 it'll correct eventually given enough time [21-Apr-25 11:31 AM] finestone#0000 yeah me and @laaxus bought it all [21-Apr-25 11:36 AM] pagy1234#0000 what an extremely unpleasant sight๐Ÿ˜ญ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1363916277260878056/Screenshot_2025-04-22_at_12.35.56_AM.png?ex=6814f484&is=6813a304&hm=dc582378644a384e9a4cbca5c84eaaf7023b30bf2a34d849979f315fe65818e2& [21-Apr-25 11:36 AM] pagy1234#0000 perfect time for XIT ACT to shine tho [21-Apr-25 11:38 AM] pxlfox.#0000 This is tame for some of my baes ๐Ÿ˜‚ 5 days is plenty of time [21-Apr-25 11:39 AM] pagy1234#0000 im lucky I was planning to go here anyways, otherwise i would have only been back here in 5 days [21-Apr-25 11:58 AM] realharvey#0000 I aim for mostly 7 days. So I am doing fine aswell {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1363921805978632382/image.png?ex=6814f9aa&is=6813a82a&hm=17ebf3745fe13465bfeed21e05c67562a8cb2586e984a33b224f65d8e4dd593a& [21-Apr-25 12:00 PM] moke.#0000 Most of my bases don't get refilled till 1/2 days left. But I also do 28 days restock and keep bases on a staggered schedule [21-Apr-25 12:02 PM] pagy1234#0000 bruh [21-Apr-25 12:02 PM] pagy1234#0000 I try not to let any pop consumables enter yellow [21-Apr-25 12:02 PM] pagy1234#0000 only thing that does is specific inputs [21-Apr-25 12:02 PM] moke.#0000 I adjusted mine so 3 days is still yellow ๐Ÿ˜… [21-Apr-25 12:03 PM] moke.#0000 But its a cyclical schedule, so not really an issue. Lines up for repairs too +/- a few days [21-Apr-25 02:31 PM] jab.sh#0000 I manage 20+ bases and have 9 of my own, does that count? ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [21-Apr-25 02:47 PM] jab.sh#0000 so uh warehouses... still want a bigger one on griff ๐Ÿ˜„ I dmed the governor but never got a response [21-Apr-25 02:48 PM] laaxus#0000 You Can finance it yourself or half of it and ask phobos to participate ! [21-Apr-25 02:50 PM] moke.#0000 What's the cost on the level you want from where its at? [21-Apr-25 02:50 PM] jab.sh#0000 I think like 1.2m [21-Apr-25 02:51 PM] jab.sh#0000 trying to remember now [21-Apr-25 02:51 PM] jab.sh#0000 2.2m* [21-Apr-25 02:51 PM] jab.sh#0000 https://canary.discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183249178156089374/1359615362701852764 [21-Apr-25 02:51 PM] jab.sh#0000 to go from 2k to 3k [21-Apr-25 02:51 PM] moke.#0000 Oh that's not bad at all [21-Apr-25 02:51 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah [21-Apr-25 02:52 PM] moke.#0000 Ill sort that out when I get home ๐Ÿ˜„ I use the griff warehouse quite a bit [21-Apr-25 02:52 PM] jab.sh#0000 I can just do it but like getting some back from the governor would be nice ๐Ÿ˜„ even if they raised taxes for a while [21-Apr-25 02:53 PM] jab.sh#0000 wow, last message in griff politics from UFO is 2 years ago [21-Apr-25 02:54 PM] jab.sh#0000 I can split it with you [21-Apr-25 02:55 PM] moke.#0000 Whatever works. I won't be able to do much for another 6 hours either way [21-Apr-25 02:56 PM] jab.sh#0000 can I just send you 1.1m and you take care of it? ๐Ÿ˜› [21-Apr-25 02:56 PM] moke.#0000 Sure [21-Apr-25 02:57 PM] jab.sh#0000 cheers [21-Apr-25 02:58 PM] moke.#0000 ๐Ÿซก [21-Apr-25 02:59 PM] jab.sh#0000 looks like it's $2,051,400.00 right now [21-Apr-25 02:59 PM] jab.sh#0000 guess prices came down a bit since the last time I did the math [21-Apr-25 03:09 PM] moke.#0000 Consider the extra a convenience feeโ„ข๏ธ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [21-Apr-25 03:10 PM] moke.#0000 But shoot if warehouse are that cheap I might hit up a few others on planets I'm on [21-Apr-25 03:59 PM] pxlfox.#0000 oh boy... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1363982471120687154/image.png?ex=6814896a&is=681337ea&hm=77a3b3b6b2ff96080371f77d02e9f2e28eaa64d97e798c351a5c60802b35e926& {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [21-Apr-25 04:02 PM] jcheung#0000 Congrats [21-Apr-25 04:03 PM] jcheung#0000 Or condolences, whichever suits you better [21-Apr-25 04:05 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Welp, have to look at Archiels guide know ๐Ÿ™ƒ [21-Apr-25 04:06 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Next POPR in 4 days... so I have a little bit of breathing time to get my gripp [21-Apr-25 04:08 PM] akyantor#0000 The main thing to do is establish what pop upkeep goods were being maintained to keep a steady state of pops. You've got health buffers of the all key pops utilised (PIO, SET, TECH), so should hopefully be fairly straightforward. [21-Apr-25 04:09 PM] akyantor#0000 Looks like OFF for SST / INF, and DW for the PAR are the key ones that have been topped up fairly recently. [21-Apr-25 04:09 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I know, that my job is to keep the planet running. I have a brief grasp of the POPR and program system, but will need to look closer into it. [21-Apr-25 04:10 PM] akyantor#0000 I'd start out by setting up Archiel's sheet assuming that you keep supplying those upkeep goods, and see what it tells oyu. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [21-Apr-25 04:11 PM] akyantor#0000 It's worth playing around with it a bit to get the hang of it, but thankfully electronic isn't too mad. [21-Apr-25 04:11 PM] pxlfox.#0000 It's late here. Just wanted to have a quick look and send some ships away. Going to checkout my role tomorrow ๐Ÿ˜… But yes, Archiel's OOG guide and the sheet will be my first stop {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [21-Apr-25 04:13 PM] pxlfox.#0000 oh damn... there is a completely different view for govs ๐Ÿ˜ฑ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [21-Apr-25 06:02 PM] vanarazor#0000 i voted for you@@@@!!! {Reactions} โค๏ธ [21-Apr-25 06:45 PM] marat_sh#0000 Sorry, I forgot to unslip my finger ๐Ÿ˜… {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [22-Apr-25 04:51 AM] vanarazor#0000 I sold a fair bit of bibs and bobs today ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364176796412543007/image.png?ex=681495a5&is=68134425&hm=2803ad5acfc74df73b2b4928dc3b8611c0658244422c1324c597cecaa52e73c0& [22-Apr-25 04:51 AM] vanarazor#0000 but my cash flow is still thin : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364176907096293458/image.png?ex=681495bf&is=6813443f&hm=46ebb94c3322cd85eb2d47b7b8c5be93da08cde1192d80f0baa41ec2e84ae042& [22-Apr-25 04:52 AM] vanarazor#0000 how is that possible ? [22-Apr-25 04:53 AM] vanarazor#0000 oh that's right I just bought a new "_Big Can_" .. ๐Ÿ™‚ [22-Apr-25 04:53 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364177314413416448/image.png?ex=68149620&is=681344a0&hm=ceaeb46632bf74ae0a7259984a69b8c7974af70da2cb9855327407c29ad2d958& [22-Apr-25 04:54 AM] vanarazor#0000 it even has thrusters on!!! how exciting!! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [22-Apr-25 04:54 AM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/exciting-celebrating-gif-21708419 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/exciting-celebrating-gif-21708419 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/jWPU_u_sHde4AusXXh_2YI8B22fXsrhEx3DdaSvHDU0/https/media.tenor.com/v3foQI7zwvUAAAAe/exciting-celebrating.png [22-Apr-25 05:01 AM] moke.#0000 @jab.sh done {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [22-Apr-25 05:09 AM] magican1980#0000 I got a "Huge big Can" ordered and paid about 11 Mio ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} โค๏ธ ๐ŸŒˆ ๐Ÿ‰ [22-Apr-25 07:39 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 does someone have the WAR upgrade costs calculator sheet? [22-Apr-25 07:39 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 I am unable to find it ;-; [22-Apr-25 07:52 AM] tanda#0000 Not a sheet, but a cheat sheet {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364222228530598009/image-1.png?ex=6814bff5&is=68136e75&hm=690d02fc9e7640a077db020a9e51bd364211ff2f5ed667b5f934845c54ae7558& [22-Apr-25 07:52 AM] tanda#0000 And it's still courtesy of EvoV [22-Apr-25 07:52 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 any chance i could get the formula itself? [22-Apr-25 07:52 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Is there any way to prevent a specific player from picking up my local market ads, despite their A rating? [22-Apr-25 07:52 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 block them [22-Apr-25 07:53 AM] tanda#0000 I am also unable to find that [22-Apr-25 07:53 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 :( [22-Apr-25 07:53 AM] tanda#0000 You need to block them [22-Apr-25 07:53 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 I have used a sheet before [22-Apr-25 07:53 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 a proper spreadsheet [22-Apr-25 07:53 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 it was shared here [22-Apr-25 07:53 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Ok, good to know that works. I need to figure out if they're actually going to complete their current contract (they did actually respond once, but... its a 1 day trip and they've been sitting on it a week) [22-Apr-25 07:54 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 ships could be busy [22-Apr-25 07:54 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Dude has a single base on the destination planet. [22-Apr-25 07:54 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 oh [22-Apr-25 07:54 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 well [22-Apr-25 07:54 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 :shrug: [22-Apr-25 07:54 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 And, weirdly, is active, but founded 491 days ago. [22-Apr-25 07:54 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 is that TheNegotiator? [22-Apr-25 07:55 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 nvm then [22-Apr-25 07:55 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I've had minor issues with their contracts before but I just decided to never pick up their contracts. [22-Apr-25 07:55 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183249178156089374/1342117824075923486 @tanda i have no access [22-Apr-25 07:55 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 blocking them prevents them from doing any business with you i believe [22-Apr-25 07:56 AM] tanda#0000 That's the same image just just linked you [22-Apr-25 07:56 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Need to wait until I decide to give them a breach though. But definately helpful once they either deliver or I give up. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [22-Apr-25 07:56 AM] tanda#0000 That channel is archived now [22-Apr-25 07:56 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 oh [22-Apr-25 07:57 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 try talking to them, give them a couple extensions before breaching it. Its an idle game, they might just not be able to play the game as much. Its not an excuse to disappear but life happens sometimes. [22-Apr-25 07:58 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Yeah, they responded to one message, asked for more time, but didn't say how much, and haven't responded since. Account claims "active about 5 days a week" [22-Apr-25 07:58 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 thats unfortunate [22-Apr-25 07:58 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Yeah. [22-Apr-25 09:08 AM] jab.sh#0000 I made my own [22-Apr-25 09:09 AM] jab.sh#0000 here's a starter csv https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183249178156089374/1359616622540750888 [22-Apr-25 10:17 AM] jcheung#0000 start with ~~redacted~~ [22-Apr-25 10:17 AM] jcheung#0000 multiply with ```=let ( endLevel,H7, startLevel,H6, FLOOR( endLevel * ( endLevel / 2 ) / 2 ) - FLOOR( startLevel * ( startLevel / 2 ) / 2 ) + if(startLevel = 0, 1, 0) )``` [22-Apr-25 10:17 AM] jcheung#0000 replace h7 and h6 with current and target levels respectively [22-Apr-25 10:18 AM] jcheung#0000 wait [22-Apr-25 10:18 AM] jcheung#0000 sorry [22-Apr-25 10:18 AM] jcheung#0000 start with this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364259150099513425/image.png?ex=6814e258&is=681390d8&hm=9ffbf9b19449ea89a12a0dfdc782ab1ed14b9f49b736e46af6d9a989542488ed& [22-Apr-25 10:56 AM] harkenn#0000 Are there common / well known ship designs (for specific purposes) or is "optimal" too variable for that? [22-Apr-25 10:57 AM] laaxus#0000 You don't choose a ship design [22-Apr-25 10:57 AM] laaxus#0000 You choose a ship builder [22-Apr-25 10:58 AM] realharvey#0000 You choose what you need 1/3 2/2 3/1 or 5/5 and then you look for a shipbuilder and take his template [22-Apr-25 10:59 AM] realharvey#0000 Ship builders have set themselves up to build specific templates because it's way easier [22-Apr-25 10:59 AM] realharvey#0000 Those builds are also what is considered meta in most cases [22-Apr-25 11:00 AM] harkenn#0000 So no one is going through this process to acquire new ships? The help docs seem to suggest it was a "everyone does this" {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364269542364413952/image.png?ex=6814ec05&is=68139a85&hm=2574b9b18478d45cf68d0eb951e881dd2b679b5ff38954afac660c8a36bb4544& [22-Apr-25 11:00 AM] harkenn#0000 (it didn't seem very different from how you build buildings or a base) [22-Apr-25 11:00 AM] laaxus#0000 The process is dming evov [22-Apr-25 11:01 AM] jab.sh#0000 [22-Apr-25 11:01 AM] jab.sh#0000 here's one of EvoV's ship blueprints (2k/2k) [22-Apr-25 11:01 AM] jab.sh#0000 you can check that thread for the others [22-Apr-25 11:02 AM] harkenn#0000 So everyone uses Evov's blueprints/designs, then, but still builds them themselves? Is it because its very easy to fuck up a ship design horrifically? [22-Apr-25 11:03 AM] jab.sh#0000 you have to build it yourself [22-Apr-25 11:03 AM] moke.#0000 Cant transfer ship ownership [22-Apr-25 11:03 AM] jab.sh#0000 there's no mechanism in the game to transfer ship ownership [22-Apr-25 11:04 AM] harkenn#0000 Right, that makes sense. I guess the notion that designing your own ships was instantly written off by those first few messages above just suggests an underlying truth everyone takes for granted (as to why no one builds the blueprints themselves). I was just trying to understand that truth. [22-Apr-25 11:04 AM] jab.sh#0000 you can design your own ship and try to source from the CX but that's going to have inherent price variability and availability issues [22-Apr-25 11:04 AM] pagy1234#0000 nah nah, its just that you buy the parts, not the ship [22-Apr-25 11:04 AM] moke.#0000 You're more than welcome to - the issue is the parts market is sparse [22-Apr-25 11:05 AM] pagy1234#0000 and people follow set designs because its hard to get individual parts [22-Apr-25 11:05 AM] moke.#0000 For example I had to contract someone to make me enough AWH for one of my shuttles that needs it [22-Apr-25 11:05 AM] harkenn#0000 Oh, there's that much variability in the ship parts then? And they have no other use than ships that need that particular thing...gotcha [22-Apr-25 11:07 AM] pagy1234#0000 kinda, theres just alot of ship parts, and they are all hard and expensive to make, so people dont wanna make all of then, and just make the ones that fit the blueprint they sell [22-Apr-25 11:13 AM] realharvey#0000 Also the efficiency gain by specialized ship blueprints for a specific usecase is pretty negligible [22-Apr-25 12:34 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 The designs are based on experimentation (using BLU and BTF) - QCR and FSE work best in most situations. - Dont need the seats usually. - Shields are very expensive so only those who make them or those who have money to throw around use them - medium or large fuel tanks are just preference. LSL is overkill tho unless its an SF hauler. I run large SF tanks on 2 of my LCBs since they exclusively haul SF. - LHP because i think very few people make BHP, since LHP is lighter, makes ships go faster, and is cheaper to repair. - drones are shit compared to the price iirc - and all the fancy extra stuff (shields, seats, drones) add weight, slowing your ship down. To counter that, people sometimes may consider specialty engines but those would most likely need to be made to order due to the lack of a market for them. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [22-Apr-25 12:36 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 At least I dont mindlessly accept a blueprint as is. [22-Apr-25 12:37 PM] harkenn#0000 Thanks, that's all really useful info! [22-Apr-25 01:50 PM] jcheung#0000 There are some places where you can pick up parts of ships, but they're rare [22-Apr-25 02:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 There are some in OOG who like to use all the shields drones and AHP as it changes the repair time to like 5x or something like that [22-Apr-25 02:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But like it costs more [22-Apr-25 02:20 PM] getonthetrain#0000 This whole stuff is nonsense, I can build you whatever ship you want {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [22-Apr-25 02:20 PM] laaxus#0000 it would make sense if the repair cost wasn't so absurdly low [22-Apr-25 02:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think for them itโ€™s the hassle of having to repair [22-Apr-25 02:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Idk ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [22-Apr-25 02:21 PM] laaxus#0000 :shruge: [22-Apr-25 02:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m not big enough that I can justify spending 11 million on a ship [22-Apr-25 02:22 PM] jab.sh#0000 I only spent that much because it was huge [22-Apr-25 02:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah Iโ€™m talking about an LCB [22-Apr-25 02:22 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah ๐Ÿ˜„ [22-Apr-25 02:22 PM] jab.sh#0000 11m LCB is expensive, you can get 2 for that price [22-Apr-25 02:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s got all the bells and whistles tho {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”” ๐Ÿณ [22-Apr-25 02:23 PM] laaxus#0000 4 with highlander [22-Apr-25 02:24 PM] jab.sh#0000 you can't sort FLT right? ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [22-Apr-25 02:26 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ve got one fully shielded/kitted ship - itโ€™s like 400k to repair instead of 40k (ish), but I also havenโ€™t had to repair it for almost 200 days [22-Apr-25 02:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Is the time between repairs more than 10x? [22-Apr-25 02:27 PM] jab.sh#0000 I've yet to repair a ship ๐Ÿ˜ถ [22-Apr-25 02:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 What are your ship integrities at then [22-Apr-25 02:28 PM] jab.sh#0000 lowest two are 70 and 86% [22-Apr-25 02:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I would repair the 70% ones [22-Apr-25 02:30 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah probably should [22-Apr-25 02:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [22-Apr-25 02:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I repaired one at 40% so I canโ€™t say thing really {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [22-Apr-25 02:31 PM] jab.sh#0000 I've got two bases to repair and a few supply runs I need to do first [22-Apr-25 02:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But like I didnโ€™t have RPRUN features helping me realize they were that bad {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [22-Apr-25 02:32 PM] jab.sh#0000 maybe next time heph is up for repair/supply I'll repair the ship too [22-Apr-25 02:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You could do at Deimos too [22-Apr-25 02:32 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah but I don't have a base there [22-Apr-25 02:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh thatโ€™s right [22-Apr-25 02:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Phobos works too [22-Apr-25 02:33 PM] jab.sh#0000 Deimo is +0 ๐Ÿ‘€ [22-Apr-25 02:33 PM] jab.sh#0000 maybe I will soon lol [22-Apr-25 02:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Haha nice [22-Apr-25 02:37 PM] bishopsix#0000 you can only repair your ships in your own bases right? [22-Apr-25 02:37 PM] jab.sh#0000 nah [22-Apr-25 02:37 PM] jab.sh#0000 any shipyard {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [22-Apr-25 02:37 PM] bishopsix#0000 sweet [22-Apr-25 02:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Base just acts as storage {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [22-Apr-25 02:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Which simplifies things [22-Apr-25 02:38 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah you'd need to rent a warehouse there too if you don't have a base [22-Apr-25 02:38 PM] jab.sh#0000 which isn't a big deal (my first ship upgrades I did at Deimos) [22-Apr-25 02:39 PM] bishopsix#0000 come to Deimos jab we got free drinks [22-Apr-25 02:39 PM] jab.sh#0000 I wish [22-Apr-25 02:39 PM] bishopsix#0000 https://tenor.com/view/beer-chug-drinking-drink-thirsty-gif-14117873518651772969 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/beer-chug-drinking-drink-thirsty-gif-14117873518651772969 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/AVov1CuOsMpUnAyId3H6cyslkhvB31wAq4mLyq318Nk/https/media.tenor.com/w-zDKl8iECkAAAAe/beer-chug.png [22-Apr-25 02:39 PM] jab.sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364324783239462994/screenshot_20250422133932.png?ex=681476b8&is=68132538&hm=285faa06000336c179f4eefeb793fac9f59129ba850a42990aad2ea7380114fb& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ข [22-Apr-25 02:39 PM] bishopsix#0000 hate to see it! [22-Apr-25 02:40 PM] bishopsix#0000 I'm guessing we can't do some kinda share thing ๐Ÿ˜„ [22-Apr-25 02:40 PM] bishopsix#0000 would love to help ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿผโ€โ™‚๏ธ [22-Apr-25 02:40 PM] akyantor#0000 I'm on track to have a ship that may only need one repair a year. It's a LCB with full shields/drones, been 155 days since I built it and still on 92% condition. ๐Ÿ“ˆ *Super convinent to mostly ignore ship repairs while maintaining speed.* [22-Apr-25 02:40 PM] jab.sh#0000 nah it's good [22-Apr-25 02:41 PM] jab.sh#0000 I'd probably leave it empty anyway until someone else from DNPC leaves {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [22-Apr-25 02:42 PM] jab.sh#0000 huh do you always get 100% CM mats back? [22-Apr-25 02:42 PM] jab.sh#0000 that's nice I guess [22-Apr-25 02:46 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 You can repair at - any of your bases - any of the shipyards {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [22-Apr-25 02:46 PM] jab.sh#0000 you don't need a shipyard to repair? [22-Apr-25 02:46 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I have repaired my ship on Katoa [22-Apr-25 02:46 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 No. [22-Apr-25 02:46 PM] laaxus#0000 great tool, must use https://prunplanner.org/tools/roi It's basically my personal sheet I made 6 months ago ... {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/tools/roi PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (2) [22-Apr-25 02:47 PM] jab.sh#0000 interesting [22-Apr-25 02:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I also used to think i need a shipyard to repair [22-Apr-25 02:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Used to send ships to yannick for repairs instead of katoa (the BEN STL ships) [22-Apr-25 02:48 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Still send all FTL ships to Proxion due to convenience tho (no base there ๐Ÿ™‚) [22-Apr-25 02:48 PM] jab.sh#0000 only thing it's missing is a "minimum CX volume" toggle ๐Ÿ™‚ [22-Apr-25 02:48 PM] jab.sh#0000 like, an LCB base has an ROI of 0.26d apparently [22-Apr-25 02:48 PM] jab.sh#0000 but can you sell that many LCB [22-Apr-25 02:48 PM] laaxus#0000 put a feature request {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364327124772720773/image.png?ex=681478e6&is=68132766&hm=447f542e775c94ac1d1754de05607d08a0a2b0a6949cd891f229d9174a25726f& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ danceboi [22-Apr-25 02:49 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Ooo nice inclusion [22-Apr-25 02:49 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Same with shields [22-Apr-25 02:51 PM] jab.sh#0000 I was gonna reply to your thread but it probably makes more sense to make my own {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [22-Apr-25 02:51 PM] jab.sh#0000 even if it is similar [22-Apr-25 02:54 PM] jab.sh#0000 there we go #deleted-channel [22-Apr-25 02:59 PM] realharvey#0000 The CX can't even sustain half of a Building producing LCB [22-Apr-25 03:02 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah [22-Apr-25 03:02 PM] jab.sh#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [22-Apr-25 03:09 PM] marat_sh#0000 There is still a problem of not many people using bids because it locks your available cash and the cash you might have available is not enough to incentivize someone to dedicate a production for it [22-Apr-25 04:00 PM] jvaler#0000 iirc the repair at any shipyard feature was actually added a few months ago [22-Apr-25 04:52 PM] marat_sh#0000 what's NEO charter faction bonus? I forgot [22-Apr-25 06:51 PM] vanarazor#0000 I mean now it is pretty obvious what volume and what does not, eveything that is shipbuilding related have vertical integration production [22-Apr-25 06:51 PM] vanarazor#0000 my Heph base is literally a hybrid build taking into account daily volume of the Cx [22-Apr-25 06:52 PM] vanarazor#0000 none the less is pretty useful tool [22-Apr-25 06:54 PM] vanarazor#0000 poor MEA : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364388812008063159/image.png?ex=6814b259&is=681360d9&hm=09c181ec5b3ddf5eef1a94420503e2c99948c187397ae889237f6cde080886e6& [22-Apr-25 06:55 PM] vanarazor#0000 oh and if you hover on the output mat you actually have the feature youare requesting : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364389267698352228/image.png?ex=6814b2c6&is=68136146&hm=1a4eff464e8f8bd946a00136bdd2f6ce8299db74da8a07556aa7a233f908dee2& [22-Apr-25 06:56 PM] vanarazor#0000 which is not actually very accurate in terms of volume : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364389525589196861/image.png?ex=6814b304&is=68136184&hm=282add247c62b35e348282bda3063be5a2f749844048ffffaac2e18a315793a5& [22-Apr-25 07:05 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/flathamster-hamster-flat-kip-kiphamster-gif-21077894 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/flathamster-hamster-flat-kip-kiphamster-gif-21077894 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/sMwK8AZEG4_NP6oZYussgi9EthuNvYhfYlWa4sjDsy8/https/media.tenor.com/2shmiu_6kUYAAAAe/flathamster-hamster.png [22-Apr-25 08:47 PM] jcheung#0000 here i go fucking up my shipping again {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ (3) [23-Apr-25 01:25 AM] magican1980#0000 for me this view shows me, what is traded over the CX on supply/demand and dont forget, that there is also players, who make and use it for oneself and sell with contracts [23-Apr-25 01:26 AM] magican1980#0000 for the CXM is a general overview where I can sell my products and if there is a possible market for a production [23-Apr-25 01:36 AM] vanarazor#0000 yeah I get that [23-Apr-25 01:36 AM] vanarazor#0000 it is just the volume 1d /7d traded does not match prplan data [23-Apr-25 01:40 AM] realharvey#0000 Prplan CX data only updates once a day if I recon correctly [23-Apr-25 01:54 AM] magican1980#0000 From prunplaner you can make diagram that shows the supply / demand for every day and can see if there is a shortage [23-Apr-25 01:55 AM] magican1980#0000 if you see, the supply/demand trend is negative is it woth to invest? [23-Apr-25 05:27 AM] vanarazor#0000 how can I unlock blue print status?? [23-Apr-25 05:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 once you used a blueprint in a shipyard project its permenantly locked [23-Apr-25 05:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 only thing you can do is make another [23-Apr-25 02:12 PM] laaxus#0000 welcome @juniord2 {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿผ (2) [23-Apr-25 02:12 PM] laaxus#0000 let's do the onboarding, shall we ? ๐Ÿ™Œ [23-Apr-25 02:12 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah I know, I was just saying hi ๐Ÿ˜† [23-Apr-25 02:13 PM] laaxus#0000 if you don't play on browser with refined prun, well, you definitly should, as it gives so many QoL, so many I can't even start to list them all [23-Apr-25 02:14 PM] laaxus#0000 if you don't know about https://prunplanner.org/, it is the most important external tool, we consider it core gameplay at this point, so make sure to learn to use it when you have the time {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/, PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [23-Apr-25 02:14 PM] laaxus#0000 this discord offers much, but everything is summarized in #channel-information [23-Apr-25 02:14 PM] jab.sh#0000 93 features ๐Ÿ˜† {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364680870690160701/screenshot_20250423131427.png?ex=6815199a&is=6813c81a&hm=0a37cbfe4901e2bc373ef37f963644ec419696d2f58cb860d4058609e82b3b15& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [23-Apr-25 02:15 PM] laaxus#0000 the most important parts are #associate-office #associate-planning where we talks [23-Apr-25 02:15 PM] laaxus#0000 #trading #internal-offers for the internal markets [23-Apr-25 02:15 PM] laaxus#0000 #agp-information #agp-operations for the grant program [23-Apr-25 02:15 PM] laaxus#0000 #psk-information for the ship upgrade program [23-Apr-25 02:15 PM] juniord2#0000 I already use these are my production https://prunplanner.org/shared/b5793829-482b-49b4-b89f-52cda431f572 https://prunplanner.org/shared/ee72cc2e-0822-42f3-a5e4-6f906e308dd4 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/b5793829-482b-49b4-b89f-52cda431f572 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/ee72cc2e-0822-42f3-a5e4-6f906e308dd4 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [23-Apr-25 02:15 PM] laaxus#0000 if you have any question or want feedback, feel free to ask ๐Ÿ˜„ [23-Apr-25 02:16 PM] laaxus#0000 all in all, welcome to the adi [23-Apr-25 02:16 PM] laaxus#0000 :danceboi: [23-Apr-25 02:16 PM] laaxus#0000 oh, we definilty can provide feedback for those bases [23-Apr-25 02:17 PM] laaxus#0000 I have to go, I still have things I absolutely have to do before going to sleep [23-Apr-25 02:18 PM] laaxus#0000 but maybe @jab.sh can do it ? [23-Apr-25 02:45 PM] razenpok#0000 The next release is almost breaking a hundred :eyes: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364688583650181220/image.png?ex=68147809&is=68132689&hm=2ddc4653b7c3c79537b51bd952d1d114d5865f1c7b5ac983dfd251d9c849d0ac& {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (7) ๐Ÿ’ฏ pachawinters [23-Apr-25 02:45 PM] jab.sh#0000 you should add one more {Reactions} Yes (3) [23-Apr-25 09:06 PM] harkenn#0000 Does `Xit Act` buy at sell price, I assume? [23-Apr-25 09:11 PM] jvaler#0000 XIT ACT buys at ask price [23-Apr-25 09:11 PM] jvaler#0000 cause if it didn't you'd be placing bids and not getting your items [24-Apr-25 03:01 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Does any of you have a good way to measure how much of a ship a base occupies and at what point it makes sense to buy another one? Currently, I go by gut feeling - if I don't get to keep up with logistics, I need another one. But I wonder, if there is a more "mathematical" way to decide that ๐Ÿค” [24-Apr-25 03:04 AM] razenpok#0000 Reject math, embrace vibe shipping {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ (5) [24-Apr-25 03:35 AM] bishopsix#0000 https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-star-wars-gif-18467370 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-star-wars-gif-18467370 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/iBdi9hqsozCO4D_7F6xWd0Xx_VLILPFJ4Wc7szncrhk/https/media.tenor.com/2jgbEi-vCuQAAAAe/mando-way-this-is-the-way.png [24-Apr-25 03:35 AM] bishopsix#0000 I spent 20+ hours on a trip because I forgot 1 MCG [24-Apr-25 03:36 AM] realharvey#0000 happens to the best [24-Apr-25 03:38 AM] bishopsix#0000 Was I angry? Hell no, did the shipping crew get their delivery bonuses? Well... After a successful 6-week haul, they enjoyed a 0.03% profit share, half a slice of bread, and the eternal shame of forgetting one crate of construction units. (Donโ€™t worry, we deducted it from their pay. You're welcome.) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ (2) [24-Apr-25 03:39 AM] bishopsix#0000 And they got a cool flyer! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364883361402978457/raw.png?ex=681484af&is=6813332f&hm=8ef4bf80b9d7097105c9424241ef71a3d207d4f9b616bd2dfb7230488812a9ea& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [24-Apr-25 03:39 AM] bishopsix#0000 made of good ol' 000.0001% real paper, ahh... [24-Apr-25 03:43 AM] realharvey#0000 Meanwhile at Harvey Industries: Pilots getting some slack ๐Ÿ˜‚ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364884505747390464/image.png?ex=681485c0&is=68133440&hm=b8e249e2d96a517b9f9ffae9ef7ec747194667cb8d71796aeca466bcac59b4c5& {Reactions} โค๏ธ [24-Apr-25 03:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 are you renting your capacity? [24-Apr-25 03:44 AM] realharvey#0000 too much busywork [24-Apr-25 03:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 understandable [24-Apr-25 03:45 AM] realharvey#0000 I help people that are really struggling because they messed up. But I dont want to do it regulary [24-Apr-25 05:12 AM] magican1980#0000 ๐Ÿ™‚ I have my first HCB in build and will pull apart some of my routes, to up once a week - not every 2-3 days {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ (2) ๐ŸŒˆ โค๏ธ ๐Ÿ‰ [24-Apr-25 05:50 AM] vanarazor#0000 goes br br {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364916380570357833/5k5k_m24.png?ex=6814a370&is=681351f0&hm=815dc3fca099f442a06a4d845ba1583e1cb23305c2e6761ea147f730c10e8870& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ (2) [24-Apr-25 06:05 AM] bishopsix#0000 Bravo! Bravo! At TFIN, our ship breakdowns may occur constantly, but only probably! Keep your ships repaired people. ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ ๐Ÿ˜‚ [24-Apr-25 06:28 AM] laaxus#0000 Can I get a project CORGI poster ? [24-Apr-25 08:04 AM] pagy1234#0000 ima try and make one [24-Apr-25 08:31 AM] marat_sh#0000 If you find yourself sending a ship to complete โ€œhave to doโ€ task instead of โ€œwant to doโ€ task, you might need a new ship. So yeahโ€ฆ vibes [24-Apr-25 08:32 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/rH74REehZBxmaS2cyeWffr2BI54G2k3joL2ksiN2UlE/https/media.tenor.com/u8YEMwIfJGMAAAAe/thanos.png [24-Apr-25 08:38 AM] pagy1234#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364958781481554090/8c51934d-c76a-46ea-8315-e86989ba0a6b.png?ex=6814caed&is=6813796d&hm=d0546742a439cfe4e2a5c54e2d34238a8cab88ac425a7ffb6206c6ebe9414fdc& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ (5) [24-Apr-25 08:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 it made one typo at the bottom right [24-Apr-25 08:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 but its nothing that cant be fixed with some photo shop [24-Apr-25 08:43 AM] sidepipe#0000 Donโ€™t worry, youโ€™re norqted to match these {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ (2) [24-Apr-25 08:47 AM] jcheung#0000 Look at the shipping demands of each of your bases, then get an average round trip flight time, add 12 hours. Whatever supply period you decide to maintain at each base, if you can sustain that level each time period, you're good. [24-Apr-25 08:53 AM] realharvey#0000 are you able to supply your bases good enough that you can go awol for a couple days and still not get into an shipping deficit? [24-Apr-25 08:54 AM] realharvey#0000 Then you are good to go. If stuff gets already tight when you miss a day: Get another ship [24-Apr-25 08:55 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Since Iโ€™m handling mostly heavy materials, Iโ€™m always tight on shipping ๐Ÿ˜… [24-Apr-25 08:56 AM] realharvey#0000 get another ship [24-Apr-25 08:56 AM] laaxus#0000 What ai are you using ? [24-Apr-25 08:56 AM] realharvey#0000 it also reduces burnout feeling by alot [24-Apr-25 09:00 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Ships are so expensiveโ€ฆ ๐Ÿฅน [24-Apr-25 09:06 AM] pagy1234#0000 chat gpt [24-Apr-25 09:06 AM] pagy1234#0000 they made it alot better in generating text [24-Apr-25 09:06 AM] pagy1234#0000 was quite suprised [24-Apr-25 09:10 AM] laaxus#0000 What was the prompt ? [24-Apr-25 09:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 sending to dms cuz its long [24-Apr-25 09:14 AM] jvaler#0000 wait you're having it generate the text for you?? what the helll [24-Apr-25 09:14 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, its actually really good with text now [24-Apr-25 09:15 AM] pagy1234#0000 it used to write absolute gibberish scribbles, but now im pretty sure its using just premade letters and pasting them onto the page [24-Apr-25 09:15 AM] jvaler#0000 what model? [24-Apr-25 09:15 AM] pagy1234#0000 newest one [24-Apr-25 09:15 AM] pagy1234#0000 4.0 i think [24-Apr-25 09:15 AM] jvaler#0000 newest what... [24-Apr-25 09:16 AM] pagy1234#0000 chat gpt? [24-Apr-25 09:16 AM] jvaler#0000 ohh [24-Apr-25 09:16 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh mb [24-Apr-25 09:16 AM] razenpok#0000 https://openai.com/index/introducing-4o-image-generation/ [24-Apr-25 09:16 AM] razenpok#0000 https://tenor.com/view/now-old-man-the-future-is-now-old-man-gif-9677657 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/now-old-man-the-future-is-now-old-man-gif-9677657 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/tWy1onQ_202BQgpZpF8UP4XSN8t-PHxIe9d9WBpbumY/https/media.tenor.com/jgUVViyS2CYAAAAe/now-old.png [24-Apr-25 09:17 AM] pagy1234#0000 lowkey its insane {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [24-Apr-25 09:17 AM] razenpok#0000 And we'll still see it getting better [24-Apr-25 09:17 AM] razenpok#0000 Scary shit [24-Apr-25 09:18 AM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364968724666515476/August_Kamp_3.png?ex=6814d42f&is=681382af&hm=b403b8cb845a1e8205a7fdd2e8fe661c7cf13aa62f3c09c0133545d3a2e76d0e& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364968725387940022/boba.png?ex=6814d430&is=681382b0&hm=0c1497bfccc0803fbc3e8b9dcac5cb69e81018457584f829c8842aeaf9433515& [24-Apr-25 09:18 AM] pagy1234#0000 I see arguements break down on instagram and whatever other social medias because people cant tell if stuff is real or not [24-Apr-25 09:19 AM] razenpok#0000 We are already living in a simulation, chill {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [24-Apr-25 09:19 AM] jvaler#0000 i'm wondering if i'm just gonna resign from the internet at some point if it gets too bad [24-Apr-25 09:20 AM] jvaler#0000 i keep almost getting tricked by them [24-Apr-25 09:20 AM] razenpok#0000 Ohhh, I'm looking forward to the collapse of social networks and the return to irl {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [24-Apr-25 09:20 AM] pagy1234#0000 haha [24-Apr-25 09:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 some places are already trying to make all AI's place a watermark over the images and videoes because its indistiguishable in some cases [24-Apr-25 09:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 I think china was talking about it [24-Apr-25 09:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 there was also another country but I forgot who [24-Apr-25 09:22 AM] jvaler#0000 but then the open source models will eventually catch up and won't have those limitations [24-Apr-25 09:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 that will suck, but maybe its something that gets passed into laws or something [24-Apr-25 09:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 will still be kinda meh since there will be tons of fraud (if thats the right word) [24-Apr-25 09:23 AM] jvaler#0000 seems like the right word [24-Apr-25 09:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 its not gonne even be something cool like tax fraud or wahtever, we gonna have image fraud in probably the next 5 years [24-Apr-25 09:24 AM] razenpok#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183248948543098992/1309052969215332402 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364970331026227343/image.png?ex=6814d5ae&is=6813842e&hm=e06fe52f3e656afcea336b60fa60bb46cf5fa3db87f906b6d4049269c854e48e& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ (3) [24-Apr-25 09:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 lmaoo [24-Apr-25 09:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 AI could be used for so much worse stuff than photo fraud tho [24-Apr-25 09:26 AM] realharvey#0000 can someone tell the KI to generate a finger on a realistic photo? [24-Apr-25 09:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 like tracking all sorts of stuff (which isnt new) but coming to meaningful conclusions about that tracking data and doing something with it [24-Apr-25 09:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 chat gpt is crazy overloaded at the moment, I put a request for image generation like 30 min ago and its still going unfortunately [24-Apr-25 09:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364970985928790136/Screenshot_2025-04-24_at_10.27.15_PM.png?ex=6814d64a&is=681384ca&hm=937aac12bee40a04737b84cc268636392733b1ccd19bbb0c912bfbcd917a0e5d& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [24-Apr-25 09:27 AM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364970986339958784/image.png?ex=6814d64b&is=681384cb&hm=75e0e11bf60c2b7e49cec04a7f5270b2374621eb8e21fb30e5b4e70092cff107& {Reactions} โค๏ธ [24-Apr-25 09:27 AM] jvaler#0000 good things can actually come out of ai data analysis, like medical applications [24-Apr-25 09:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 that was AI? i had a suspicion it was, but only because of the context, not even because of the image itself [24-Apr-25 09:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 insane [24-Apr-25 09:28 AM] razenpok#0000 Lmao, it thinks that I uploaded a real photo {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364971291823706122/image.png?ex=6814d693&is=68138513&hm=e92f64aa9f07df98c4a26ebcc1284126b0190d42cf387d0a8b68a6195767e99e& [24-Apr-25 09:28 AM] razenpok#0000 These are AI generated, yes [24-Apr-25 09:29 AM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/fd-gif-25482735 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/fd-gif-25482735 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/S0Ap8PCA8ljfoatH6-KWEmySHTegmJaI_UVUjnhKMM0/https/media.tenor.com/wtUvZPngCRAAAAAe/fd.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [24-Apr-25 09:29 AM] razenpok#0000 Aight, I'll start with the original prompt they used to generate the photo [24-Apr-25 09:36 AM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364973245853597756/raw.png?ex=6814d865&is=681386e5&hm=1593dfc1be6d505b7fbe2f5d0e7325172b24352742f03fd4cb8f5e3f3509bfaa& [24-Apr-25 09:36 AM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1364973258566271097/raw.png?ex=6814d868&is=681386e8&hm=032a76f2580d348e8f85181e1ba8cc333a65c852cab94494d70abc17e3e5b73a& [24-Apr-25 09:36 AM] razenpok#0000 Ladies and gentlemen, we are cooked {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ (3) [24-Apr-25 09:36 AM] pagy1234#0000 dayum [24-Apr-25 09:36 AM] razenpok#0000 [โœ“] I am not a robot [24-Apr-25 09:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 lol, same type of people in the background [24-Apr-25 09:37 AM] razenpok#0000 It's **the** same image [24-Apr-25 09:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 you could make a whole collage of these [24-Apr-25 09:39 AM] pagy1234#0000 its actually a bit scary [24-Apr-25 09:39 AM] pagy1234#0000 like theres no visible flaws at all except for the text [24-Apr-25 09:39 AM] pagy1234#0000 everything else could be ignored by saying "its blurry" [24-Apr-25 09:40 AM] realharvey#0000 thanks for checking. But I am very unhappy about the result {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [24-Apr-25 09:40 AM] razenpok#0000 I'm happy to disappoint once more [24-Apr-25 09:42 AM] jab.sh#0000 the timestamp is weird though, jun 24 006 [24-Apr-25 09:43 AM] razenpok#0000 I'm pretty sure you can just ask "fix the timestamp" [24-Apr-25 09:49 AM] jab.sh#0000 yeah probably [24-Apr-25 09:55 AM] jcheung#0000 someone help an idiot out. have repair mats sitting in base. why does ship not register the materials for repair? [24-Apr-25 09:57 AM] laaxus#0000 Put mats in the ship [24-Apr-25 09:58 AM] jcheung#0000 ...why tf did that work {Reactions} danceboi [24-Apr-25 09:59 AM] jcheung#0000 well, WCB, LCB departing if anyone has stuff leaving hep [24-Apr-25 09:59 AM] jcheung#0000 wait, it still took the materials from the base not the ship ๐Ÿ˜‚ [24-Apr-25 10:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 you going heph -> ant? [24-Apr-25 10:01 AM] jcheung#0000 yeah. correction, departing in a day, decided to install a STS [24-Apr-25 10:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 il send you a shipping cont, wont be more than 100/100 [24-Apr-25 06:18 PM] jab.sh#0000 so wait can I just repair at ant? or does it have to be at a planet [24-Apr-25 06:24 PM] vanarazor#0000 I think it has to be a base inventory [24-Apr-25 06:24 PM] vanarazor#0000 I tried at ANT you can't [24-Apr-25 06:30 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Yea has to be a planet [24-Apr-25 06:41 PM] jcheung#0000 Base or shipyard [24-Apr-25 07:39 PM] pagy1234#0000 FIM boutta hit 180d lows {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1365125037564362813/Screenshot_2025-04-25_at_8.38.54_AM.png?ex=6814bd03&is=68136b83&hm=8b1935cff439770c850f192634a0902d201e2ff89e9c5f76bebf54988eda1548& [24-Apr-25 07:53 PM] manhim#0000 https://tenor.com/view/tiny-toons-happy-world-land-crasher-roller-coaster-amusement-park-gif-21102489 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/tiny-toons-happy-world-land-crasher-roller-coaster-amusement-park-gif-21102489 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/eGKZznhf2h9N7o5n7sf3nn5RjIMxNjVgKw07r-xn-R0/https/media.tenor.com/7gfVrBZOw-kAAAAe/tiny-toons-happy-world-land.png {Reactions} kekw [24-Apr-25 08:19 PM] tanda#0000 https://tenor.com/view/nature-gif-7009536729952896147 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/nature-gif-7009536729952896147 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/XBqIOXi7nHVfhrWpJa0QgxOvFJ0qE4lkASgdeqAe-0g/https/media.tenor.com/YUbghIzlRJMAAAAe/nature.png [24-Apr-25 09:03 PM] jab.sh#0000 huh [24-Apr-25 11:50 PM] magican1980#0000 base or shipyard [25-Apr-25 01:16 AM] laaxus#0000 Price of C finally adjusted [25-Apr-25 01:16 AM] laaxus#0000 It was long overdue [25-Apr-25 05:05 AM] pagy1234#0000 RAT is back to the top spot of FP ROI {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1365267463532445748/Screenshot_2025-04-25_at_6.05.05_PM.png?ex=681498e8&is=68134768&hm=d078750b368fed6a9a685d03598c1396b8367c1a858c5158a727b7fa2e26de99& [25-Apr-25 05:06 AM] pagy1234#0000 might rotate Norwick, Phobos and Harmonia back to RAT [25-Apr-25 05:56 AM] tanda#0000 Wow, maybe the RAT price might finally go down [25-Apr-25 06:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 I think something is proken in the planner tho, because it says that FIM makes like 4k/d for a full base or something like that, [25-Apr-25 06:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 but my Norwick base make 140k a day still [25-Apr-25 06:40 AM] magican1980#0000 in the last 2-4 Rations could be sold at 1 credit under Market Maker ... so if you vertical produce, you make very good profits [25-Apr-25 06:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 thats what I used to do, and it worked pretty well [25-Apr-25 06:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 only problem is that the FRM bases make like 30-40k max [25-Apr-25 06:46 AM] pagy1234#0000 so il lose like 40k income from just the FRM [25-Apr-25 06:46 AM] pagy1234#0000 for now its still better for me to do FIM [25-Apr-25 08:41 AM] vanarazor#0000 not for long IMO FIM is dropping [25-Apr-25 08:44 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, but even at this rate it will take a bit to actually get below RAT [25-Apr-25 09:53 AM] jab.sh#0000 did C drop? I was about to sell some last night [25-Apr-25 09:54 AM] laaxus#0000 It roses [25-Apr-25 09:54 AM] jab.sh#0000 huh [25-Apr-25 10:02 AM] laaxus#0000 Look at the chart [25-Apr-25 10:03 AM] jcheung#0000 well [25-Apr-25 10:03 AM] jcheung#0000 i wouldn't say it's corrected until bids come up {Reactions} โ˜๏ธ [25-Apr-25 10:10 AM] magican1980#0000 I have HYF as my Farms ๐Ÿ™‚ and with the 21 HYF I get enough mats for 1 FP Planet only for RAT. If you not have H2O vertical integratet and the logistic, I cant recommend this setup [25-Apr-25 10:13 AM] jab.sh#0000 yeah the bottom hasn't really moved [25-Apr-25 11:07 AM] pagy1234#0000 where do you have your HYF? [25-Apr-25 11:07 AM] pagy1234#0000 on harmonia? [25-Apr-25 11:31 AM] jab.sh#0000 mine are on life [25-Apr-25 11:43 AM] harkenn#0000 Some of ya'll need NL. I know you do. You should pick some up off the CX. [25-Apr-25 11:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 bought a couple pieces :D [25-Apr-25 11:45 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I donโ€™t think people want to buy at almost 8k/u [25-Apr-25 11:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, NL generally isnt that high [25-Apr-25 11:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 and I would assume that alot of people who consume it would have stockpiles to wait out the prices [25-Apr-25 11:46 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bT9eo.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/hysterical-laughter-laughing-gif-25735842 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/MvtpxuFjeHQDvXIbHyCZncDhIJz5LykO_yosAqPsw_0/https/media.tenor.com/AQz3_zaiD14AAAAe/hysterical-laughter.png {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [25-Apr-25 11:48 AM] .urpalhal#0000 LDE is unprofitable at CX prices for AL and NL as it stands [25-Apr-25 11:55 AM] realharvey#0000 I don't know which maniac posted LDE for 10k [25-Apr-25 12:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ‘€ [25-Apr-25 12:00 PM] .shiva.#0000 Yeah i pulled mine off the cx [25-Apr-25 12:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol [25-Apr-25 12:01 PM] laaxus#0000 It was made from NL bought at 5.6k [25-Apr-25 12:01 PM] laaxus#0000 I needed cash anyway [25-Apr-25 12:01 PM] pagy1234#0000 60k? [25-Apr-25 12:02 PM] pagy1234#0000 even to me thats barely anything ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [25-Apr-25 12:02 PM] laaxus#0000 You wereNt the first [25-Apr-25 12:02 PM] pagy1234#0000 that explains it [25-Apr-25 12:06 PM] laaxus#0000 I put a large bid for NL, I won't buy at ask, I Can wait [25-Apr-25 12:28 PM] tanda#0000 I will definitely eat some NL, but not at 8k a pop, and not with LDE being cheaper to buy [25-Apr-25 01:27 PM] harkenn#0000 Much appreciated! [25-Apr-25 01:33 PM] jab.sh#0000 whoops, I swapped the price and quantity on BBH [25-Apr-25 01:34 PM] jab.sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1365395446889058356/screenshot_20250425123342.png?ex=6815101a&is=6813be9a&hm=ccc51d3c53072349cbf52e082055d26e3abe46969812ec9beea62bad3a4603dc& [25-Apr-25 01:36 PM] tanda#0000 oh no [25-Apr-25 01:36 PM] jab.sh#0000 oh well [25-Apr-25 01:39 PM] jab.sh#0000 ate more of my buffer than I would have liked but there's worse things ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Apr-25 01:59 PM] jcheung#0000 dang [25-Apr-25 01:59 PM] jcheung#0000 wish i had a buy order for the stuff ๐Ÿ˜‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [25-Apr-25 03:09 PM] realharvey#0000 I am looking for like-minded people who would also prefer that when you click on a ticker in the Commodity Exchange Orders Window, you go directly to the CXPO window and not to CXOB. (Since the CXOB is integrated in the CXPO window anyway and I want to update my orders more quickly) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1365419448575594608/ChatGPT_Image_Apr_25_2025_10_05_19_PM.png?ex=68147db4&is=68132c34&hm=c36709d7fa75c3a683b9fa092b1d487efb81f4a47bbaf6bac1bd1fabb05ec40a& {Reactions} danceboi (5) ๐ŸŒˆ [25-Apr-25 03:10 PM] jab.sh#0000 post in #deleted-channel and I'll give you a ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ™‚ [25-Apr-25 03:10 PM] realharvey#0000 gimme a Thumbs up here :D [25-Apr-25 03:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Where is that? [25-Apr-25 03:10 PM] realharvey#0000 click danceboy emoji if you agree [25-Apr-25 03:10 PM] jab.sh#0000 https://discord.gg/dUfhndrE [25-Apr-25 03:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Hehe now I can have my tool developed [25-Apr-25 03:12 PM] realharvey#0000 Pinned a message. [25-Apr-25 04:00 PM] jvaler#0000 a message only relevant for a certain period of time doesn't seem like pin material ๐Ÿง [25-Apr-25 04:01 PM] jab.sh#0000 can always unpin later [25-Apr-25 04:01 PM] realharvey#0000 Was the plan after I gathered enough interest [25-Apr-25 04:03 PM] jvaler#0000 oh okay [25-Apr-25 05:21 PM] vanarazor#0000 RAT is going to drop as well @pagy1234, tat's my prediction [25-Apr-25 05:22 PM] vanarazor#0000 become agri product become cheaper due to MEA >FIM >RAT. selling C should be more profitable, I am surprised the price of G is rising [25-Apr-25 05:22 PM] bishopsix#0000 if rat falls then all frms fall too [25-Apr-25 05:22 PM] bishopsix#0000 right? [25-Apr-25 05:23 PM] jab.sh#0000 RAT's lowest avg in 90 days is 160 [25-Apr-25 05:23 PM] vanarazor#0000 I think the thing is consumables for PIO and SET are "liquid" means they are always going to find a buyer within CX ask/bid but yeah IMO we ' ll see agri product price drop due to lower demand [25-Apr-25 05:24 PM] igfloz#0000 not really, a lot of FRM product goes into C production [25-Apr-25 05:24 PM] jab.sh#0000 there's a demand of 443k RAT compared to a supply of 24k [25-Apr-25 05:24 PM] bishopsix#0000 oooh i forgot about C [25-Apr-25 05:24 PM] bishopsix#0000 yeah that's why I am surprised [25-Apr-25 05:25 PM] vanarazor#0000 I think I'd use HYF for C rather than FRM, I use FRM for HER [25-Apr-25 05:25 PM] jab.sh#0000 I'm about to spend $25m to make RAT and C, maybe that's a terrible idea ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Apr-25 05:26 PM] vanarazor#0000 i just don;t understand why C is rising and RAT is not dropping .. [25-Apr-25 05:26 PM] jab.sh#0000 too much demand for RAT [25-Apr-25 05:26 PM] jab.sh#0000 people are paying $163 [25-Apr-25 05:26 PM] vanarazor#0000 RAT has not enough supply [25-Apr-25 05:26 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah [25-Apr-25 05:27 PM] jab.sh#0000 although technically there's infinite supply, but it's at $166 [25-Apr-25 05:27 PM] tanda#0000 before all this ~~FIM~~Mea business, I did some digging and found that the universe is about 10k RAT per day short [25-Apr-25 05:27 PM] tanda#0000 which isn't an issue due to MM's, but that's how much is getting bought from the MM rather than players [25-Apr-25 05:27 PM] jab.sh#0000 what about ANT? [25-Apr-25 05:28 PM] tanda#0000 something like 3-4k a day? It's been a while so the number has probably changed {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [25-Apr-25 05:28 PM] tanda#0000 It's a number large enough that no single player could really have an effect on it without it being the only thing they did [25-Apr-25 05:29 PM] jab.sh#0000 also Tanda I was gonna send you a contract for rfabs but most of your prices are above market price now ๐Ÿ˜… [25-Apr-25 05:29 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah, AFC makes about 6-7k RAT/day gross, we'd need a 2nd AFC to meet demand basically [25-Apr-25 05:30 PM] jab.sh#0000 personally I'm about +1k RAT/day net (although all of that RAT is AFC RAT) [25-Apr-25 05:30 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I've been buying LFABs from the market instead of producing them myself [25-Apr-25 05:30 PM] vanarazor#0000 do we really? [25-Apr-25 05:31 PM] tanda#0000 so I couldn't offer them as cheaply as before. That changes after this weekend, my PP2 base is up and running and will fill my needs, letting me drop my prices {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [25-Apr-25 05:31 PM] jab.sh#0000 gotcha [25-Apr-25 05:32 PM] jab.sh#0000 Prozer (over in AA) has decent prices so I sent them a contract ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [25-Apr-25 05:32 PM] tanda#0000 It also doesn't help that the market for RFABs has kinda gone nuts [25-Apr-25 05:33 PM] tanda#0000 a lot of those prices are below breakeven if you don't source everything internally [25-Apr-25 05:35 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah markets are incentivising CO-Op and vertical integrations [25-Apr-25 05:36 PM] igfloz#0000 you could argue the reverse - with so many co-ops and internal trades, there kinda is no CX market for stocks [25-Apr-25 05:37 PM] vanarazor#0000 mm I see your point [25-Apr-25 05:39 PM] tanda#0000 a lot of times it can look like my products are out of stock because I have everything listed on the CX, it's not like the product waits around, lol [25-Apr-25 05:41 PM] jab.sh#0000 you could update your sheet to include your CX orders? [25-Apr-25 06:11 PM] tanda#0000 hmm, I'll have to look into that {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [25-Apr-25 07:33 PM] tanda#0000 "Master has given Dobby a QCR, Dobby is a free elf!" {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1365485803064786985/image.png?ex=6814bb80&is=68136a00&hm=b2ff18408e345e8751c02ef4b674b570b3704c7d0b05ee762707145213ebe9bb& [25-Apr-25 07:33 PM] tanda#0000 https://tenor.com/view/%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD-%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B1%D0%B8-harry-potter-dobby-the-elf-freedom-gif-16615829 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD-%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B1%D0%B8-harry-potter-dobby-the-elf-freedom-gif-16615829 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/aS_suPaBznydCfKKsEvDLpVBG23x-LnGDGJRoj_35mk/https/media.tenor.com/b7KY5b4zZdsAAAAe/%25D0%25B4%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B1%25D0%25B1%25D0%25B8%25D1%2581%25D0%25B2%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B1%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B4%25D0%25B5%25D0%25BD-%25D0%25B4%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B1%25D0%25B1%25D0%25B8.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿงฆ (2) [25-Apr-25 09:18 PM] pagy1234#0000 the undersupply of RAT is massive though, It will probably need to double production before RAT prices leave the MM [25-Apr-25 10:44 PM] magican1980#0000 I have reduced my weekly production from 6.6 to 4.4 and stopped selling mostly on CX to Buy-Orders ... part of the changes comes from me [26-Apr-25 04:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Bought out most of AEF {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1365620906185064499/image.png?ex=68149094&is=68133f14&hm=31cebe929e8494dbfc24a8f5f034370f150b4fd94af5caa9416d3e0643b44e0e& [26-Apr-25 04:47 AM] zillatron#0000 (thanks!) [26-Apr-25 04:47 AM] zillatron#0000 I'm making it, i'll have more on the market tomorrow {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [26-Apr-25 04:51 AM] zillatron#0000 ...or the day after depending how many wines I have at the airport tomorrow ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿป [26-Apr-25 08:44 AM] marat_sh#0000 am I seeing things or HAL is on the rise again ๐Ÿ’€ [26-Apr-25 08:45 AM] jcheung#0000 Let's switch over to our Hal correspondent Hal98 for more details [26-Apr-25 08:45 AM] jcheung#0000 *pans over to Hal* [26-Apr-25 08:47 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/deer-interview-doe-winter-deer-interview-gif-16806606910500140994 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/deer-interview-doe-winter-deer-interview-gif-16806606910500140994 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/MsK1Q9eoCJlTK4yKj6XKwWiXC2JzS6w9OJcM6nP0Z1M/https/media.tenor.com/6T0P8Jv8d8IAAAAe/deer-interview.png {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [26-Apr-25 08:48 AM] pagy1234#0000 wth happened๐Ÿ˜ญ [26-Apr-25 08:48 AM] pagy1234#0000 389/u [26-Apr-25 08:48 AM] marat_sh#0000 to be fair I haven't had a chance to post on CX yet {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [26-Apr-25 08:49 AM] marat_sh#0000 if someone needs as an emergency I've got 4K on Halcyon {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [26-Apr-25 08:56 AM] razenpok#0000 I'm p sure it's Ravick again {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1365687960871370762/image.png?ex=6814cf07&is=68137d87&hm=05f308a9d713bd94c1d4bdbe0f110354eb364bdab6ee4eaedfb111dac2610c0f& [26-Apr-25 08:57 AM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/detroit-gif-23500912 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/detroit-gif-23500912 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/UqBKgFVDHPSAKmEce2A7m-XFwragLYKqCiiP53c4xjc/https/media.tenor.com/OizZu-b4a2IAAAAe/detroit.png [26-Apr-25 08:58 AM] razenpok#0000 Wait, or was it Rakkzi who sometimes does market whoopsies? [26-Apr-25 09:01 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah Rakkzi [26-Apr-25 09:01 AM] laaxus#0000 I just didn't listed HAL [26-Apr-25 09:02 AM] laaxus#0000 I'll soon list 2k [26-Apr-25 09:10 AM] pxlfox.#0000 A report from 2021 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1365691532166037554/image.png?ex=6814d25a&is=681380da&hm=ca5cf8924ca240091334530bfd65765d33a58bf84d340cd41c4d17b134e3f4de& [26-Apr-25 09:11 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Funny to read that, while ANT is now one of the two strongest economies [26-Apr-25 09:11 AM] jab.sh#0000 what is this a debate? ๐Ÿคฃ [26-Apr-25 09:12 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://pruniversereport.wordpress.com/2021/03/02/antares-is-a-faction-of-many-trades-says-gov-slome/ {Embed} daybro https://pruniversereport.wordpress.com/2021/03/02/antares-is-a-faction-of-many-trades-says-gov-slome/ โ€œAntares is [โ€ฆ] a Faction of many tradesโ€ says Gov. Slomes Disclaimer: The siteโ€™s operator, waitingtocompile, is a member of QWNE with Slomes, however she has had no involvement in this interview or transcript beyond proofreading and this disclaimer โ€ฆ https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/LH3wgGSarGy2QaKI-gzotYxLZFJsZD4s6Izi4cLJx0o/https/s0.wp.com/i/blank.jpg [26-Apr-25 09:13 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Really old โ€œnews reportโ€ [26-Apr-25 09:13 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Just found them randomly [26-Apr-25 09:14 AM] evov#0000 Antares number 1!! [26-Apr-25 09:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Did you start in ANT, EvoV? Or did you move here after they added the region? [26-Apr-25 09:20 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ve got a bit of HAL I can dump back in the CX [26-Apr-25 09:36 AM] evov#0000 I started in HRT. I started putting new bases down in ANT when I started to look into making ships. [26-Apr-25 09:45 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I would say the many ship building projects in this region did a lot of heavy lifting for the economy [26-Apr-25 10:53 AM] laaxus#0000 @Market Alerts PSL cleared out [26-Apr-25 10:53 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Ben is out too [26-Apr-25 10:53 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 Was* [26-Apr-25 12:23 PM] jab.sh#0000 I have finally decided to write up how I use apps script to update data in google sheets, any comments or feedback are welcome! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nSNnOlS11-ctW8Ky98O3kisieDu3GKyIRA2LLxn7xSI/edit?gid=0#gid=0 https://gist.github.com/jab416171/9bc11fab6c54a3b3262097db3497a59a {Embed} https://gist.github.com/jab416171/9bc11fab6c54a3b3262097db3497a59a Prosperous Universe Apps Script vs IMPORTDATA Prosperous Universe Apps Script vs IMPORTDATA. GitHub Gist: instantly share code, notes, and snippets. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/7lesHV5TJfXV9rDct_prZ0T8dzM8AdALoVfer2-rnhs/https/github.githubassets.com/assets/gist-og-image-54fd7dc0713e.png {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nSNnOlS11-ctW8Ky98O3kisieDu3GKyIRA2LLxn7xSI/edit?gid=0 Prosperous Universe Apps Script vs IMPORTDATA https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/kbEfohUUOXAGCV64jrnYwMyEEtmybA1KSVWsIAbc1vk/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyKyVniFUJgjoNIvyeEUnp1HMkE4ELkpIxH-vlWkz38BwE6XdIGcEiRFFckv_XXGBbOYpKQzDXUSwh7wBBVzheugF5zH9IKVmDkYU2q4M6N85RxEEaU%3Dw1200-h630-p {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ (2) [26-Apr-25 12:28 PM] razenpok#0000 Might have a better place in #prun-tool-discussion , so it won't get buried {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [26-Apr-25 12:37 PM] tanda#0000 well dangitty dang [26-Apr-25 05:53 PM] marat_sh#0000 Need help with some shipping {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1365823033213976710/image.png?ex=6814a412&is=68135292&hm=8d8ae27124069f21cb72d0abec89cfcb2e99b69ad0041bd1175da96b86f61b62& [26-Apr-25 05:53 PM] marat_sh#0000 let me know if price is low [26-Apr-25 05:55 PM] loans_13178#0000 I can send a ship with 500t your way for 2 orders. {Reactions} โค๏ธ [26-Apr-25 05:59 PM] vanarazor#0000 price is a bit low I'd expect15K at least!!! [26-Apr-25 05:59 PM] vanarazor#0000 Nah just messing with you, I don't have any ship available anyway [26-Apr-25 06:00 PM] marat_sh#0000 good thing it's 24K ๐Ÿ˜… [26-Apr-25 06:01 PM] vanarazor#0000 oh jeez, you paying premium service I see!!! [26-Apr-25 06:01 PM] vanarazor#0000 well too bad I don't have idling ship [26-Apr-25 06:02 PM] marat_sh#0000 I have 5 and all of them are busy ๐Ÿ’€ [26-Apr-25 06:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Id accept but I donโ€™t wanna try on mobile {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ (2) [26-Apr-25 06:03 PM] vanarazor#0000 I have 3 and I can braely keep up, it's like pushing *** uphill [26-Apr-25 06:03 PM] marat_sh#0000 no worries it's not critical ๐Ÿ˜… Just some NS that raised in price and needs to be delivered [26-Apr-25 06:03 PM] igfloz#0000 No it's not, it's 4K [26-Apr-25 06:03 PM] vanarazor#0000 that's what I thought as well [26-Apr-25 06:04 PM] igfloz#0000 maybe 24K "in total" for your original screen capture, but not 24K per delivery [26-Apr-25 06:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 it was a joke yeah The total was 24K [26-Apr-25 06:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 I don't know the pricing for shipping [26-Apr-25 06:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 last time I did it, it was 15/t [26-Apr-25 06:06 PM] igfloz#0000 I don't recall the user (or clan) that does nothing but shipping, but I think they only accept ads of 25K or so (I think ? ) [26-Apr-25 06:07 PM] loans_13178#0000 Do you want to make money shipping things for other CEOโ€™s but canโ€™t find any customers? Well worry no more, as here in the Inch Centimeter discord channel we provide a service to connect shipping providers to customers for a variety of shipment types including recurring, one time, and emergency shipment orders. Join our discord to learn more! https://discord.gg/7Cs93Mua [26-Apr-25 06:07 PM] marat_sh#0000 well it's calculated $/t. So I've splited into multiple so people with starting ships can fit at least 1 if they also shipping their stuff [26-Apr-25 06:07 PM] loans_13178#0000 I just copied his message this is not my advertisement. [26-Apr-25 06:09 PM] marat_sh#0000 I assume 25K comes from full 3K/1K or 2K/2K ship [26-Apr-25 06:09 PM] marat_sh#0000 in that case mine is 24K but it's not a full ship [26-Apr-25 06:10 PM] igfloz#0000 That might be a correct assumption - yeah, you did the right thing with breaking it down to tonnage I think - apologies [26-Apr-25 06:11 PM] marat_sh#0000 No worries ๐Ÿ˜… I had issues with shipping contracts when I was starting out with idle 500/500 ship. It helped a lot when people splited it like that [26-Apr-25 06:13 PM] loans_13178#0000 whats a medium 1000t/1000m3? [26-Apr-25 06:13 PM] tanda#0000 a medium is a waste of parts, lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [26-Apr-25 06:14 PM] jcheung#0000 i wish you had talked about this about 7 hours ago >.> [26-Apr-25 06:14 PM] loans_13178#0000 looks to me to be 16500+fuel based on route and market rates for a medium cargo bay [26-Apr-25 06:15 PM] jcheung#0000 could have taken the full load [26-Apr-25 06:16 PM] jcheung#0000 well, i did forget to bring KOM out there, so if it's still there in a day or two i might be able to snag them [26-Apr-25 06:18 PM] loans_13178#0000 there was an Antares add in their discord for areas 1-5 at 15 AIC per volume [26-Apr-25 06:19 PM] marat_sh#0000 I just got back home and Noticed the Price for NS and that I don't have free ships to try fixing the prices [26-Apr-25 07:12 PM] jab.sh#0000 16/t is reasonable [26-Apr-25 07:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Dark Fuel [26-Apr-25 07:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 To echo Tanda the ones worth it are WCB, LCB, HCB and maybe a VCB [26-Apr-25 07:38 PM] jab.sh#0000 vcb if you need to move a lot of gas [26-Apr-25 07:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like a lot of gas [27-Apr-25 03:06 AM] laaxus#0000 the last 2 weeks have been rough {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1365962396870512712/image.png?ex=68147d1d&is=68132b9d&hm=e1d1bac967cf95877761776f2007793b3706689aa1d893d65f949b42b763fa51& [27-Apr-25 03:14 AM] evov#0000 < Yea, I run 2 consutruction planets in the IA region at the moment. [27-Apr-25 03:14 AM] pagy1234#0000 I remember you said that those planets are to fund the gateways, are the taxes there considerably higher than elsewhere? [27-Apr-25 03:16 AM] evov#0000 Yea, the taxes are a little bit higher, mostly for eng/sci. But considering the planet pays for all the immigration programs and maintains solid pop growth/control - the total fee cost isn't that high. [27-Apr-25 03:17 AM] laaxus#0000 Taxes are quite inexpensive anyway, if the planet is well managed, it's all worth it [27-Apr-25 03:17 AM] evov#0000 Ultimately, I find there's no amount of taxes that out-weighs the cost of slow pop fulfilment or pop drops down the line. [27-Apr-25 03:17 AM] laaxus#0000 one week without cogc would lose more profit than slightly higher taxes [27-Apr-25 03:18 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm not attracted to governance, but I'm glad there are competent people that are [27-Apr-25 03:20 AM] evov#0000 I developed another 5 planets in the last couple weeks. This is the current list of planets I govern. Some are brand new and I don't have population for myself there yet... so don't bother joining them haha. [27-Apr-25 03:21 AM] evov#0000 Current pop report for the planets I govern - {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1365965947596439563/image.png?ex=6814806c&is=68132eec&hm=29d3032af9d61da8228d0b5289f318c4317677fae80eb1033a93d88be8909bfb& [27-Apr-25 03:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 If I were to drop a base on aceland, any point making my own ALO, then AL on it? or just buy from CX [27-Apr-25 03:21 AM] razenpok#0000 Same {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1365966020535390309/image.png?ex=6814807d&is=68132efd&hm=4f17834c6e3d1bf3fc3dd5ee577f78e202ee2e8f61bd0e71dbdd226d3f58f678& [27-Apr-25 03:21 AM] laaxus#0000 LS-014 gonna become an interesting system [27-Apr-25 03:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 dayum, that whole system of electronics is kinda crazy [27-Apr-25 03:21 AM] laaxus#0000 silicon valley {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [27-Apr-25 03:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 fr [27-Apr-25 03:22 AM] evov#0000 The MM changes made it look like we need more electronics planets in the area. [27-Apr-25 03:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah absolutely [27-Apr-25 03:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 although in many cases they are paired with manufacturing planets [27-Apr-25 03:23 AM] razenpok#0000 This picture could be a strong marketing tool if you also add environmental factors (INS, SEA, HSE, TSH) for each planet [27-Apr-25 03:24 AM] evov#0000 People can figuire that out for themselves. Flight time from CX's is also a relevant factor that could make sense. {Reactions} true [27-Apr-25 03:25 AM] evov#0000 Everything I develop is within 24hrs flight of the ANT CX. That's the critical number for me to be able to turn ships around once per day after I get home from work. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Apr-25 03:25 AM] laaxus#0000 are ls-014 C and D new ? They're not showing up on prunplanner with cogc electronics [27-Apr-25 03:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1365967291761819709/Screenshot_2025-04-27_at_4.26.15_PM.png?ex=681481ac&is=6813302c&hm=74173bf72c6c342727ca8daeae86188f5a60292879d289973a5919c9e897a9a2& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’€ [27-Apr-25 03:26 AM] evov#0000 D is brand new, C was existing / Abandoned, so I didn't have to build everything from the ground up [27-Apr-25 03:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 alot of planets have issues recently with CoGC in prun planner recently [27-Apr-25 03:28 AM] laaxus#0000 btw, with that MM changes, norwick isn't the best planet in antares anymore [27-Apr-25 03:28 AM] laaxus#0000 what planet should host the future ADI corporation HQ ? [27-Apr-25 03:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 deimos [27-Apr-25 03:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 meh, prolly not [27-Apr-25 03:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 wont even fit tbh [27-Apr-25 03:30 AM] laaxus#0000 does anyone knows if it's possible to change a corporation HQ location ? [27-Apr-25 03:31 AM] pagy1234#0000 maybe it has to do with permissions or something, but for OOG i dont see a move/demolish button [27-Apr-25 03:33 AM] evov#0000 I suspect if you build it on a different planet, it auto removes the old one. [27-Apr-25 03:33 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh btw, corp HQ's need to be built outside of faction space [27-Apr-25 03:33 AM] laaxus#0000 XD WHAT ? [27-Apr-25 03:33 AM] pagy1234#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1365969197536120872/Screenshot_2025-04-27_at_4.33.51_PM.png?ex=68148373&is=681331f3&hm=51e1f93fccb007372e23c578158cc5350193ee86197578170c7d7d542c91d27f& [27-Apr-25 03:34 AM] evov#0000 Yea... it says that. ... .. however. [27-Apr-25 03:34 AM] evov#0000 My corp hq is on Nike. ( Afabs were the juciest thing I made when I put it down ) [27-Apr-25 03:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh [27-Apr-25 03:35 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah nike is in faction space [27-Apr-25 03:35 AM] pagy1234#0000 OOG hq is there aswell [27-Apr-25 03:35 AM] laaxus#0000 I see 4 candidates : Hephaestus Deimos Phobos Nike [27-Apr-25 03:35 AM] pagy1234#0000 deimos will be hard because HQ takes one plot i think [27-Apr-25 03:36 AM] laaxus#0000 I feel like hephaestus is the HQ location that will benefit everyone the most, including new players ? [27-Apr-25 03:40 AM] getonthetrain#0000 Corp HQ can't be on starting planets, so Heph makes most sense [27-Apr-25 03:44 AM] laaxus#0000 LMAO WHAT ? Why did it chose malahat automatically {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1365971792052617257/image.png?ex=681485dd&is=6813345d&hm=ee555c4b0c11ada209a0b0bdb8a426db4bd56a5f8d283ff577d966660680642a& [27-Apr-25 03:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 lol [27-Apr-25 03:45 AM] pagy1234#0000 you can probably ask molp to move it [27-Apr-25 03:46 AM] laaxus#0000 it's ok, I started a new project to move the hq [27-Apr-25 03:46 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh nice [27-Apr-25 03:46 AM] pagy1234#0000 maybe its only once its completed that you cant move it [27-Apr-25 03:56 AM] laaxus#0000 BTW, if anybody wants to join the ADI corp, just ask / ping me [27-Apr-25 06:42 AM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366016539798671581/aefgandalf.jpg?ex=6814af8a&is=68135e0a&hm=c6bab536ee34a604fd14824026ec71d45c1627d010652a96142972403ae62da0& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [27-Apr-25 06:44 AM] laaxus#0000 doing god work [27-Apr-25 07:40 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I would really love to, but then I have to abandon my corp ๐Ÿฅน and I would really love to do something with it sometime in the future [27-Apr-25 07:41 AM] laaxus#0000 no pressure [27-Apr-25 07:45 AM] bishopsix#0000 I don't think I am in the corp Laaxus, in game? [27-Apr-25 07:48 AM] laaxus#0000 you want to ? [27-Apr-25 07:48 AM] bishopsix#0000 I mean, sure! [27-Apr-25 07:49 AM] laaxus#0000 inviting you [27-Apr-25 07:52 AM] laaxus#0000 you should have received the invitation [27-Apr-25 07:56 AM] bishopsix#0000 Got in, thanks Laaxus! Any benefits to being in the corp? ๐Ÿค” [27-Apr-25 07:56 AM] bishopsix#0000 Also, I am literally the first one to join? Lmao [27-Apr-25 07:57 AM] laaxus#0000 I created the corp today lmao {Reactions} โค๏ธ [27-Apr-25 07:57 AM] laaxus#0000 there was no adi corp before {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [27-Apr-25 07:57 AM] laaxus#0000 The biggest benefit is that now, you can put [ADI] in front of your tag {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [27-Apr-25 07:57 AM] laaxus#0000 which rules [27-Apr-25 07:58 AM] laaxus#0000 The second best benefit is 10% production bonus on hephaestus (soon tm) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [27-Apr-25 07:59 AM] bishopsix#0000 sweet [27-Apr-25 08:00 AM] bishopsix#0000 i play this game for the collades anyway [27-Apr-25 08:00 AM] bishopsix#0000 why Heph Laaxus? [27-Apr-25 08:02 AM] laaxus#0000 - can't be a starting planet - must be a planet that will benefit as many people as possible despite the diversity of the ADI - it's a 3 greens so great for new players - Manufacturing gonna get stronger because of the MM changes {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ (2) [27-Apr-25 08:03 AM] laaxus#0000 Hephaestus is also the planet that is the closest to be a starting one, without being one [27-Apr-25 08:04 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Heph is also a great shipyard location [27-Apr-25 08:04 AM] laaxus#0000 and it's very very close to the ANT cx [27-Apr-25 08:36 AM] bishopsix#0000 Sounds like fertile soil to plant my 3rd base in! [27-Apr-25 08:36 AM] bishopsix#0000 erm, in a few months, lol [27-Apr-25 08:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I think I might need a bit of mentorship regarding government. ๐Ÿค” [27-Apr-25 08:55 AM] laaxus#0000 I know what you need, a leased base ! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [27-Apr-25 08:56 AM] pxlfox.#0000 we don't have any gov channels anymore, do we? ๐Ÿ˜… [27-Apr-25 08:56 AM] laaxus#0000 they've been archived [27-Apr-25 08:56 AM] laaxus#0000 :shruge: [27-Apr-25 08:57 AM] laaxus#0000 I guess #associate-planning is the new governance channel [27-Apr-25 09:10 AM] bishopsix#0000 I'd love to make a base there, can I turn a leased based into my own? ๐Ÿค” [27-Apr-25 09:14 AM] laaxus#0000 with me, yes ! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [27-Apr-25 09:14 AM] laaxus#0000 I always give the possibility of buying the base back over the course of 90 days [27-Apr-25 09:15 AM] laaxus#0000 so, you'd not get the usual 50k/d, but 50k - (base cost / 90d) [27-Apr-25 09:15 AM] laaxus#0000 such that, after 90 days, the base is yours to keep ! [27-Apr-25 11:35 AM] tanda#0000 Perhaps I could answer some questions? {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [27-Apr-25 12:19 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Regards population - what am I exactly trying to achieve? If there is a shortage, I obviously want to increase migration/education, so that everybody gets there workers. Also, I want to maintain happiness above 50%, so population level keep steady. But if everything is fine, what should I do? Do I need to do anything? [27-Apr-25 12:19 PM] pxlfox.#0000 And how do I find out, that everything is "fine"? [27-Apr-25 12:19 PM] jab.sh#0000 I'm a noob too, but from what I understand is you don't want to waste money either, so if pop is fine don't try to raise it [27-Apr-25 12:21 PM] tanda#0000 1) you're trying to keep a steady population, either steady growth or flat, depending on what your planet needs. (Most planets are growing, so growth makes sense) 2) if everything is fine, you see the absolute minimum pop supply you can get away with and just feed that until things change to "not fine" or "needs growth" [27-Apr-25 12:22 PM] tanda#0000 3) either Archiel's governing sheet or PRUNplanner's government mode is going to be able to give you the in depth analysis you need to make judgement calls [27-Apr-25 12:22 PM] tanda#0000 and given the changes coming on the 5th to POP consumption, I recommend Archiel's sheet. Prunplanner has been really slow keeping up to date on any game changes [27-Apr-25 12:23 PM] pxlfox.#0000 how to decide, if my planet needs growth? [27-Apr-25 12:24 PM] jab.sh#0000 check unemployment/open jobs [27-Apr-25 12:24 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Like for example, Electronica has basically no Engineers/Scientists [27-Apr-25 12:24 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Do I want to let them grow, so people have them when they join? Or do I wait till somebody requests them? [27-Apr-25 12:24 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah but it also has 0 open jobs so there's no demand [27-Apr-25 12:25 PM] jab.sh#0000 is anyone in chat asking for them? [27-Apr-25 12:26 PM] pxlfox.#0000 That's obivous - but open jobs only appear in the next POPR _after_ somebody placed down a base. Ideally, you want them filled as fast as possible. Also, ENG and SCI grow really slowly, so it will take some time to get them filled. [27-Apr-25 12:26 PM] tanda#0000 I think a good idea would be to take a look at all Chemistry buildings. How many require ENG, how many require SCI? How commonly needed are the products made by these buildings? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿง  [27-Apr-25 12:27 PM] tanda#0000 if it's unlikely that there's going to be a need for these buildings, and other planets are already able to fill the need for the pops involved, chances are you won't need to grow those pops [27-Apr-25 12:28 PM] jab.sh#0000 I was about to say you can't predict - but that's smart ๐Ÿ™‚ [27-Apr-25 12:34 PM] getonthetrain#0000 And if anyone doesn't know what to put on Heph, put a WPL base making NL which is low logistics and needed. Send me an invite when you have a chance Laaxus {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Apr-25 01:19 PM] jab.sh#0000 does someone have cheap rfabs or should I just buy from the cx? [27-Apr-25 01:22 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I think laaxus keeps the rfabs prices low [27-Apr-25 01:23 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah isn't that corgi [27-Apr-25 01:24 PM] laaxus#0000 They're low but not as subsidized as the internal market [27-Apr-25 01:25 PM] laaxus#0000 Tho it's not as good as it used to be [27-Apr-25 01:25 PM] laaxus#0000 I'll focus on it more once I'm done reconfiguring my empire [27-Apr-25 01:26 PM] laaxus#0000 But I Can proudly Say than Antares has been consistently cheaper than other CX for LFabs and RFabs {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ [27-Apr-25 01:27 PM] jab.sh#0000 do you have an internal price or should I just use the cx? ๐Ÿ™‚ [27-Apr-25 01:27 PM] jab.sh#0000 this is for hq upgrades [27-Apr-25 01:27 PM] jab.sh#0000 although my hq is in hrt ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Apr-25 01:28 PM] laaxus#0000 I don't do internal Price sorry {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Apr-25 03:18 PM] tanda#0000 who the heck bought BRM out of the market up to 1k? [27-Apr-25 03:43 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366152873884520478/image.png?ex=681485c3&is=68133443&hm=5cd82877d9b3e4d9de6fe7af7e8b8630296241d79b169cde5b44b20227d902af& [27-Apr-25 03:43 PM] vanarazor#0000 I think this guy is a genius [27-Apr-25 03:44 PM] tanda#0000 nobody will buy that, lol [27-Apr-25 03:46 PM] vanarazor#0000 HOP is already expensive, GRA /WIN .. [27-Apr-25 03:46 PM] laaxus#0000 How many bases does that Guy have ? [27-Apr-25 03:46 PM] vanarazor#0000 36 [27-Apr-25 03:46 PM] laaxus#0000 Lmao he's just having fun [27-Apr-25 03:47 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366153685226360862/image.png?ex=68148684&is=68133504&hm=702ee0cbb3d553ffcca615e1446d38a99907c8c927558594216eca42953e6de0& [27-Apr-25 03:49 PM] vanarazor#0000 I ll need to learn ship engines, which ones is whichc [27-Apr-25 03:49 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366154219807051786/image.png?ex=68148703&is=68133583&hm=322cfdfc91dcd0a5d04178876d131f63307c399cfe8a9c5e27d3fcbc9e40a69b& [27-Apr-25 03:49 PM] vanarazor#0000 BRM directly impact REA and ETC/EES RAG/FIR [27-Apr-25 03:49 PM] vanarazor#0000 now no idea what that means [27-Apr-25 03:51 PM] vanarazor#0000 to some extent it does reach used engines parts : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366154713212518512/image.png?ex=68148779&is=681335f9&hm=bc40aa826288dd067ba9d83ec7a7425bf16484bb14d7a8e98ed74b80860accc9& [27-Apr-25 03:51 PM] vanarazor#0000 probably ship makers have BRM extraction integrated [27-Apr-25 03:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Most people just use the QCR [27-Apr-25 03:53 PM] igfloz#0000 Urgh ! I've just discovered that recurring orders are not allowed on a basic licence {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜” [27-Apr-25 03:53 PM] vanarazor#0000 oh wow that means for me that If I ever get a basic licence I m basically stop playing [27-Apr-25 03:54 PM] vanarazor#0000 recurring orders are the most crucial thing you can get I think [27-Apr-25 03:54 PM] igfloz#0000 only took me 404 days to find this out - and erm yeah, its kinda a blocker now [27-Apr-25 03:56 PM] vanarazor#0000 I mean it's kind of very cool that there is no pay 2 win in this game. I reckon this subscription is more than fair to be honest [27-Apr-25 03:57 PM] vanarazor#0000 are you planning to come back on a paid licence ? [27-Apr-25 03:58 PM] vanarazor#0000 mine expires soon as well {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366156472970514463/image.png?ex=6814891d&is=6813379d&hm=444b5169ae4dbe588fbabe496e962595d2444b71b73bc9b6df18a89d49d8f13d& [27-Apr-25 03:58 PM] igfloz#0000 I'm a star supporter, so I figure I've paid enough into the game {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ข [27-Apr-25 03:58 PM] jcheung#0000 no it's really not [27-Apr-25 03:58 PM] vanarazor#0000 what do you mean ? [27-Apr-25 03:59 PM] jcheung#0000 there's way too many QoL items locked behind pay, it's actually absurd [27-Apr-25 04:00 PM] vanarazor#0000 I mean it will be good if it was free for sure but how would you monetize this game in a fair manner ? the dev has to eat and it doe snot look like there are too many people playing [27-Apr-25 04:01 PM] jcheung#0000 ig, for example, has paid enough to be a star supporter. that's a whole heck of a lot more than a AAA game. it wouldn't be too much to ask to have a few more differences between free and what they have. [27-Apr-25 04:03 PM] vanarazor#0000 oh wait [27-Apr-25 04:03 PM] vanarazor#0000 what is a star supporter? [27-Apr-25 04:03 PM] vanarazor#0000 did you pay big bucks to the devs? [27-Apr-25 04:03 PM] vanarazor#0000 I mean in suchs cases you should get licence for life right ? [27-Apr-25 04:04 PM] igfloz#0000 kinda [27-Apr-25 04:04 PM] vanarazor#0000 oh I see now [27-Apr-25 04:04 PM] vanarazor#0000 double sucks [27-Apr-25 04:04 PM] vanarazor#0000 anyway to send the dev feedback about this ? [27-Apr-25 04:04 PM] vanarazor#0000 it's worth a try [27-Apr-25 04:05 PM] igfloz#0000 https://prosperousuniverse.com/early-access {Embed} https://prosperousuniverse.com/early-access Prosperous Universe | The Economic Space MMO In Prosperous Universe, you are the CEO of your own spacefaring company. Explore the galaxy, design spaceships, forge alliances, and most importantly: produce, trade, transport, and profit. Manage your business through a highly customizable user interface named APEX, accessible via web browser. Contribute to a purely player-driven MMO economy in... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/iw6GWFhfbXVxv9pGxGE1JgF_0dDoqQLVZGppgAEL7-U/https/prosperousuniverse.com/og/image.jpg [27-Apr-25 04:05 PM] igfloz#0000 Should show supporter packs [27-Apr-25 04:06 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366158662992658552/image.png?ex=68148b27&is=681339a7&hm=1524c6527c4df3c02e71365ce845134cf5fef689961574eae761b2928f46b722& [27-Apr-25 04:07 PM] vanarazor#0000 okay now, this is a bit sad [27-Apr-25 04:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like I get the incentive for PRO but itโ€™s like the punishment for dropping down to BASIC is almost a punishment {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [27-Apr-25 04:08 PM] vanarazor#0000 _wants to look the other way_* [27-Apr-25 04:09 PM] jcheung#0000 the difference between free and basic is comically small {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [27-Apr-25 04:09 PM] vanarazor#0000 I ll rather just stay pro licence than any supporter packs [27-Apr-25 04:09 PM] manhim#0000 The support packs do come with Pro time [27-Apr-25 04:09 PM] jcheung#0000 less than what you would get by just paying annual [27-Apr-25 04:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 ah you need star for test server access, I was wondering about that [27-Apr-25 04:09 PM] vanarazor#0000 im not sure I follow [27-Apr-25 04:10 PM] vanarazor#0000 oh wait, If I paid for 1 month pro licence , I can then pay for COMET supporter pack ? [27-Apr-25 04:13 PM] manhim#0000 You don't have to buy a supporter pack if you don't want to support the game [27-Apr-25 04:17 PM] igfloz#0000 Nope, just double checked other running planets, it seems all recurring orders are now single orders *sigh* [27-Apr-25 04:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Buy it when PRO goes on Sale? [27-Apr-25 04:32 PM] igfloz#0000 meh , maybe not - think I'll just continue to dump all the stuff on the CX , see what kinda wallet I make then I might give it to a random person ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Apr-25 04:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 That works too ๐Ÿ˜‚ [27-Apr-25 04:35 PM] potaterror#0000 TBQH I think pretty much all of the "pro" perks should be under basic as well. Capping HQ upgrades and limiting concurrent ships in flight seems like more than enough to me, everything else is just limiting an already confined market and making the game more of an un-fun grind. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [27-Apr-25 04:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah ๐Ÿฅฒ [27-Apr-25 04:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And basic should get more ships than free [27-Apr-25 04:36 PM] potaterror#0000 I'd say at least access to a third, yeah. [27-Apr-25 04:36 PM] manhim#0000 What would be the incentive to get pro then? [27-Apr-25 04:36 PM] potaterror#0000 Shipping is the big one. [27-Apr-25 04:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 HQ upgrades and unlimited ships [27-Apr-25 04:38 PM] potaterror#0000 HQ upgrades you can kind of dance around with gifted time, but to run any substantial empire you're going to need to be able to fly >2 or 3 ships concurrently...or do a lot of juggling and have reliable associates. [27-Apr-25 04:39 PM] igfloz#0000 I don't think ships are limited. Out of my 4 ships 2 are in flight and can still select to fly another [27-Apr-25 04:39 PM] potaterror#0000 Really? I thought concurrent flights were limited to 2 for free and basic. [27-Apr-25 04:39 PM] igfloz#0000 I mean, nothing seems to be greyed out [27-Apr-25 04:40 PM] tanda#0000 I get everyone's frustrations with the basic license, but this company does need to support itself {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [27-Apr-25 04:40 PM] manhim#0000 No money = No game [27-Apr-25 04:41 PM] potaterror#0000 Huh. I'm not seeing that restriction, so maybe I pulled that outta nowhere. [27-Apr-25 04:41 PM] igfloz#0000 I totally agree with you, I just think I've paid enough [27-Apr-25 04:41 PM] jvaler#0000 no that's correct [27-Apr-25 04:42 PM] manhim#0000 Games like these have ongoing costs that needs to be paid [27-Apr-25 04:42 PM] potaterror#0000 @tanda Yeah, not arguing that. I just think that a lot of the pro "perks" don't act to convince people to get/maintain pro, they convince them to stop playing entirely when they're absent. [27-Apr-25 04:42 PM] tanda#0000 I can agree with that, nobody seems to stay basic for long [27-Apr-25 04:42 PM] igfloz#0000 Urgggh !! Nope - it's a thing {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366167634609180806/image.png?ex=68149382&is=68134202&hm=bb7891b3137e9a926c44676cf3b9233da0ba85dd66d01ca1667485b7739fd74a& [27-Apr-25 04:43 PM] manhim#0000 Almost every free web-based games that I know ended up failing due to too much costs. The others either brought up demo versions with a paywall (like this one) or put up so much ads that they made me give up. [27-Apr-25 04:44 PM] potaterror#0000 That's why I think the ship limit is a good balance point. It acts as a pretty significant barrier to expansion that provides a motive to keep funding the game, but still allows for players who can't afford that to engage with the game in a way that isn't straight-up painful and which can be worked around to a limited extent. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [27-Apr-25 04:46 PM] manhim#0000 Anyone who's too cheap to pay for it's hobbies can afford to pay in time [27-Apr-25 04:46 PM] jcheung#0000 HQ limit, ships and cont restrictions alone would be enough [27-Apr-25 04:46 PM] jcheung#0000 LM restrictions, recurring orders, making CX more difficult to use, that's just spite {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [27-Apr-25 04:47 PM] potaterror#0000 I mean, yeah, kinda. If you're looking for cheap entertainment the time investment in extra coordination and planning may be a bit of a boon instead of a hinderance, and it keeps players on basic engaged, which means more chance of stepping back up to pro. [27-Apr-25 04:47 PM] jcheung#0000 there's a difference between paying in time and actively putting barriers to attack the player who has already supported you in the past {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [27-Apr-25 04:47 PM] potaterror#0000 TBQH I'm not sure I'd even toss in cont restrictions for basic. [27-Apr-25 04:49 PM] potaterror#0000 Running an empire off of LM ads alone is gonna limit where you can build if you want any degree of reliability. [27-Apr-25 04:49 PM] jcheung#0000 that's what i'm saying [27-Apr-25 04:49 PM] jcheung#0000 i'd be fine with restricting peer to peer direct conts, but LMs shouldn't be restricted in basic [27-Apr-25 04:50 PM] potaterror#0000 Ah, fair. [27-Apr-25 04:50 PM] manhim#0000 *who has stopped support you [27-Apr-25 04:50 PM] manhim#0000 It's like paying for a parking space and then asking to keep parking there after you stop paying [27-Apr-25 04:51 PM] jcheung#0000 who may be convinced to support you in the future if you retain them* [27-Apr-25 04:51 PM] potaterror#0000 Eh, I'd argue against cont restrictions still, just because unrestricted conts means players on basic are probably acting as part of production syndicates if they're using them to avoid shipping restrictions. [27-Apr-25 04:51 PM] potaterror#0000 A healthy syndicate is almost certainly encouraging multiple pro licenses to remain active. [27-Apr-25 04:51 PM] jcheung#0000 this game benefits massively from having a larger player base [27-Apr-25 04:52 PM] manhim#0000 The costs scale with that too [27-Apr-25 04:52 PM] jcheung#0000 retaining people who have demonstrated interest in the past and keeping them engaged is more useful than squeezing them for every dime [27-Apr-25 04:52 PM] manhim#0000 So they would have to raise the price for everyone else [27-Apr-25 04:52 PM] jcheung#0000 costs scale, but so does your income [27-Apr-25 04:52 PM] manhim#0000 Not if you don't incentive [27-Apr-25 04:52 PM] jcheung#0000 you have incentives [27-Apr-25 04:52 PM] potaterror#0000 Ultimately Molp is probably the only one that really knows how cost per player scales, so that's kind of a judgement call on his part. [27-Apr-25 04:52 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm not saying to make the whole thing f2p [27-Apr-25 04:53 PM] jvaler#0000 all i have to say is i'd pay double the cost of PRO if it meant the game respected late game players' time more {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [27-Apr-25 04:53 PM] manhim#0000 If you have less incentive, less people are going to pay, it's simple [27-Apr-25 04:53 PM] jcheung#0000 that's not true [27-Apr-25 04:53 PM] manhim#0000 So they either lower the costs / invest less in features, or they raise prices to match [27-Apr-25 04:53 PM] jcheung#0000 no [27-Apr-25 04:53 PM] manhim#0000 I've never seen the opposite [27-Apr-25 04:53 PM] jcheung#0000 mcdonalds [27-Apr-25 04:54 PM] jcheung#0000 quantity and speed, for cheap [27-Apr-25 04:54 PM] jvaler#0000 oh god wait watch flight automation get put behind a PRO+ [27-Apr-25 04:54 PM] jcheung#0000 well, the old mcdonalds [27-Apr-25 04:54 PM] jcheung#0000 not modern [27-Apr-25 04:54 PM] manhim#0000 You're talking about a niche game that probably already reached a lot of its potential player base [27-Apr-25 04:54 PM] manhim#0000 Eating is something everyone does [27-Apr-25 04:54 PM] jcheung#0000 precisely. which is why retention of that player base is critical [27-Apr-25 04:55 PM] manhim#0000 Without having them pay anything? [27-Apr-25 04:55 PM] jcheung#0000 if you keep them engaged, they're more likely to purchase pro again in the future [27-Apr-25 04:55 PM] jcheung#0000 vs completely leaving the game [27-Apr-25 04:55 PM] manhim#0000 Not really [27-Apr-25 04:55 PM] jcheung#0000 yes really [27-Apr-25 04:55 PM] manhim#0000 People who stop paying usually just don't come back [27-Apr-25 04:55 PM] igfloz#0000 Oh god ! what have I started ? {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [27-Apr-25 04:55 PM] manhim#0000 I've seen that happen on multiple games [27-Apr-25 04:55 PM] jcheung#0000 no shit, with the current system you're actively driven away [27-Apr-25 04:55 PM] jab.sh#0000 cx more difficult? what is that [27-Apr-25 04:56 PM] jcheung#0000 if you keep them around, people tend to spend some here or there months or years later [27-Apr-25 04:56 PM] jcheung#0000 do you like cxm? [27-Apr-25 04:56 PM] potaterror#0000 In the case of this game, that's because keeping even a single base running becomes tedious, let alone an empire. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [27-Apr-25 04:57 PM] jab.sh#0000 I just use ant so cxm doesn't do much for me [27-Apr-25 04:57 PM] potaterror#0000 If I'm in a position where I can't pay for pro, I'm probably not going to be inclined to log in multiple times a day just to spam click new order because the recurring orders button is no longer available. [27-Apr-25 04:57 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't think the current BASIC system is why people don't return. every reason i've seen someone leave is because they stopped finding the game fun, including myself. it was never about the money. they don't return because their issue with the game hasn't been rectified, or maybe they just don't find it fun anymore for personal reasons [27-Apr-25 04:57 PM] jcheung#0000 how do you get to your materials? straight to cxob mat? [27-Apr-25 04:58 PM] jcheung#0000 and what about everyone who's quietly let their pro lapse and just doesn't loudly voice why they're quitting? [27-Apr-25 04:58 PM] igfloz#0000 This is my primary reason for deciding to drop to basic - I KNOW I am not gonna log in every day [27-Apr-25 04:59 PM] igfloz#0000 hey, it was just a comment, I wasn't shouting lol ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Apr-25 04:59 PM] potaterror#0000 Yeah, long-term players who have burned out due to tedium are almost certainly not going to stay on basic for any time at all -- it's just even more tedium. Players who roll up operations because an issue hasn't been addressed _might_ come back if it does get addressed or go into "life support" with a smaller empire on basic if it wasn't a ton of extra tedium. [27-Apr-25 04:59 PM] jcheung#0000 you're forgetting a class of people here [27-Apr-25 04:59 PM] jcheung#0000 the poor [27-Apr-25 05:00 PM] jcheung#0000 i can't fucking afford to keep paying for pro [27-Apr-25 05:00 PM] igfloz#0000 I 'm really finding this discussion more entertaining than PrUn right now, lol [27-Apr-25 05:00 PM] jcheung#0000 in 6 months i might be able to [27-Apr-25 05:00 PM] jcheung#0000 but if i'm forced out of the game between the time that i have pro lapse and when i can afford to get pro again [27-Apr-25 05:00 PM] jcheung#0000 then i won't get pro again [27-Apr-25 05:01 PM] manhim#0000 And if basic would be enough for you, you wouldn't get pro at all. Specially if you can keep doing that for 6 months+ [27-Apr-25 05:01 PM] potaterror#0000 IDK, maybe I'll create a proper post on this later, not that I expect it'll get dev traction...but still, worth a try. {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [27-Apr-25 05:01 PM] jcheung#0000 that's not true at all [27-Apr-25 05:01 PM] potaterror#0000 Hence the suggestion that basic be shipping gated. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [27-Apr-25 05:02 PM] igfloz#0000 Please people... don't get me wrong here - I CAN afford to pay (if I desire) - I just don't find the enjoyment right now (haven't for a few weeks) [27-Apr-25 05:02 PM] jcheung#0000 it's not just about you {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Apr-25 05:02 PM] jvaler#0000 i have no idea. i think that actually fits the description of many older entries in the AGP database. i don't see many of those names around anymore, and they all had to have had PRO at some point(except for key recipients, but that's not many afaik) [27-Apr-25 05:02 PM] jcheung#0000 precisely [27-Apr-25 05:03 PM] jvaler#0000 so maybe it's possible. could be interesting to ping those people and ask them what happened [27-Apr-25 05:03 PM] jcheung#0000 probably half or more of them didn't find it interesting enough [27-Apr-25 05:03 PM] jcheung#0000 but i'm willing to bet that at least a quarter of them will say too expensive [27-Apr-25 05:13 PM] vanarazor#0000 honestly the pro licence is cheap as.. I don't think the public playing this game is short of money, rather time. and if fun isn't there, time becomes invaluable [27-Apr-25 05:14 PM] manhim#0000 The only thing that's cheaper is basically walking outside. [27-Apr-25 05:14 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‚ [27-Apr-25 05:14 PM] manhim#0000 And even then, your shoes will need to be changed more often [27-Apr-25 05:14 PM] manhim#0000 So I'm not even sure [27-Apr-25 05:14 PM] vanarazor#0000 damn have you seen the prices of shoes nowadays, they don;t even last that long [27-Apr-25 05:15 PM] jcheung#0000 are you two old enough to have your own bills yet? [27-Apr-25 05:15 PM] vanarazor#0000 they should make cheap shoes that last for ever!! oh wait you can still go barefoot [27-Apr-25 05:15 PM] manhim#0000 Wouldn't recommend {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [27-Apr-25 05:15 PM] manhim#0000 Been paying server bills since I was 9 ๐Ÿ˜‰ {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [27-Apr-25 05:16 PM] vanarazor#0000 Im getting too old m8 [27-Apr-25 05:16 PM] jcheung#0000 you guys making 6 figures over there? [27-Apr-25 05:17 PM] jcheung#0000 because $80/year is not cheap at all [27-Apr-25 05:17 PM] realharvey#0000 Well this game is cheap when you are buying it from a western wealthy country. And only if you have a stable source of income. But the game is also played by a younger audience and from countries with weaker economies, where the pricetag is way higher in comparison {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘†๐Ÿฝ [27-Apr-25 05:17 PM] jcheung#0000 back in the day i could get two very good quality games and play them for years for that price [27-Apr-25 05:17 PM] vanarazor#0000 fair enough harvey got 2points for 1 comment there [27-Apr-25 05:19 PM] manhim#0000 Dunno, the server I used to pay when I was 9 was 30$usd per months and I always managed to pay for it doing yardwork [27-Apr-25 05:19 PM] manhim#0000 Oops wrong reply [27-Apr-25 05:19 PM] vanarazor#0000 I stopped drinking alcohol since new year I already saved up a few years [27-Apr-25 05:20 PM] vanarazor#0000 not sure I am going to last that long [27-Apr-25 05:20 PM] vanarazor#0000 _looking at **Oblivion** with envious eyes_ [27-Apr-25 05:20 PM] tanda#0000 From my perspective, 10$ a month is nothing even from a gaming perspective. Most other games that are sub based start at 15$ a month [27-Apr-25 05:21 PM] tanda#0000 But I also recognize I'm not necessarily typing [27-Apr-25 05:21 PM] manhim#0000 Considering it's a niche game, it's pretty damn cheap [27-Apr-25 05:21 PM] realharvey#0000 Quite a few of them offer regional prices. Prun does not [27-Apr-25 05:21 PM] jcheung#0000 guess i'll just be poor over there in that corner. [27-Apr-25 05:21 PM] jcheung#0000 bye [27-Apr-25 05:22 PM] manhim#0000 My friends hobby is board games. A full complex board game with all expansions can easily go over 2000$ with figurines and all. [27-Apr-25 05:23 PM] vanarazor#0000 I am not sure how many people are in this specific situation @jcheung but if subscription is a problem, I'm sure ADI could set up a fund for that [27-Apr-25 05:23 PM] vanarazor#0000 now that's an addiction I never got into, I m kind of glad about it [27-Apr-25 05:24 PM] manhim#0000 Yeah, I'm lucky that I can enjoy playing the same thing for long. I've had the same 8 or 9 bought used board games for years now. [27-Apr-25 05:25 PM] manhim#0000 But then my friend comes over with 3 Costco bags full of expansion for a single game. {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [27-Apr-25 05:25 PM] vanarazor#0000 passions are the spice of life [27-Apr-25 05:25 PM] vanarazor#0000 with no exaltation, life would have no taste [27-Apr-25 05:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 My uncle has some board games with ridiculous costs [27-Apr-25 05:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Not really my cup of tea [27-Apr-25 05:27 PM] manhim#0000 I remember a WW2-based very complex game that my older brother used to play that wasn't Axis and Allies. Was way too complicated for my 10 years old brain. [27-Apr-25 05:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah I think it doesnโ€™t help that he plays these games all the time and then at family things brings them out to play but like itโ€™s my 1st or second time seeing the game and he just gives a very cursory explanation [27-Apr-25 05:28 PM] vanarazor#0000 you are not talking about **RISK**, right ? [27-Apr-25 05:29 PM] manhim#0000 Nah, I was rocking Risk 20+ hours games ๐Ÿ˜‚ [27-Apr-25 05:29 PM] manhim#0000 It had air, ships and troops [27-Apr-25 05:29 PM] manhim#0000 I don't remember the name [27-Apr-25 05:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And like diorama game boards? [27-Apr-25 05:30 PM] manhim#0000 The board was flat, but huge [27-Apr-25 05:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like a whole table [27-Apr-25 05:31 PM] jab.sh#0000 it's too bad you can't pay for pro with in game money [27-Apr-25 05:31 PM] manhim#0000 Maybe half a regular table [27-Apr-25 05:32 PM] jcheung#0000 it's against the terms of service to trade premium services. see ToS 3.7 [27-Apr-25 05:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Heh yeah Iโ€™ve played a American Revolutionary War themed game like that and one for Star Wars [27-Apr-25 05:36 PM] manhim#0000 The Star Wars one sounds fun [27-Apr-25 05:36 PM] jab.sh#0000 lmao I just noticed the aceland star is acetares [27-Apr-25 05:44 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah however they set up a gift services, how convenient [27-Apr-25 05:45 PM] igfloz#0000 You can only gift pro to new players - not lapsed players [27-Apr-25 05:45 PM] jab.sh#0000 so only to free not basic? [27-Apr-25 05:46 PM] igfloz#0000 yup [27-Apr-25 05:46 PM] jab.sh#0000 interesting [27-Apr-25 06:07 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 11 days later (on a 3 day contract) delivery made. ...and user blocked. [27-Apr-25 06:20 PM] sidepipe#0000 Please name & shame so I can block them too ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Apr-25 06:21 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 krisjanis.liepins | GFCI [27-Apr-25 06:30 PM] sidepipe#0000 Oh ya - Iโ€™ve had them blocked for a bit. I always see them asking for free fuel and I heard rumors of piracy a while back [27-Apr-25 06:31 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 See, the weird thing is, they did deliver it eventually. [27-Apr-25 06:31 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I guess that's to keep the A rating if I don't pay them more fuel or something. (They did say they needed fuel when I first contacted them, but not in a terribly persistent way). [27-Apr-25 06:40 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, Iโ€™ve had a few people game out contracts like them and they usually get blocked. Someone once took 3 5 day contracts from me and delivered them 15 days later {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ (2) [27-Apr-25 06:44 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah imma block calypso [27-Apr-25 06:53 PM] manhim#0000 What did they do? [27-Apr-25 06:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 They accept shipping CONTs but take 10 years to deliver apparently [27-Apr-25 06:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think? [27-Apr-25 07:01 PM] jab.sh#0000 they breached one [27-Apr-25 07:08 PM] manhim#0000 Ah. He does take a while, but hasn't breached any of my contracts [27-Apr-25 07:33 PM] jvaler#0000 ~~post to UFO pirate reports!~~ [27-Apr-25 07:33 PM] jvaler#0000 oh wait i misunderstood nvm [27-Apr-25 07:33 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I mean, is that just because you kept extending them? [27-Apr-25 07:41 PM] tanda#0000 idk, but I've noticed a few other people just abusing the way shipping contracts work too [27-Apr-25 07:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 Same. Itโ€™s not technically piracy, but I block them [27-Apr-25 07:43 PM] sidepipe#0000 I just want my stuff delivered in 5 days if the deadline is 5 days [27-Apr-25 07:43 PM] tanda#0000 I've started only using shipping contracts if I can afford to wait a while [27-Apr-25 07:44 PM] jab.sh#0000 they breached a 20d one ๐Ÿคท [27-Apr-25 07:44 PM] tanda#0000 ...weird [27-Apr-25 07:44 PM] jab.sh#0000 I'm not in a hurry at all, it's just NA [27-Apr-25 07:57 PM] manhim#0000 Might have forgotten about that contract after all that time xD [27-Apr-25 07:57 PM] jab.sh#0000 they had 2 from me [27-Apr-25 07:57 PM] jab.sh#0000 ๐Ÿคท [27-Apr-25 07:58 PM] jab.sh#0000 it's just easier to block them and move on [27-Apr-25 07:58 PM] jab.sh#0000 they don't even have a base in ANT [27-Apr-25 07:59 PM] manhim#0000 At this point I think that all they do is transport [27-Apr-25 08:00 PM] jab.sh#0000 well they're bad at it ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [27-Apr-25 08:04 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah you guys missed the Arkzer saga {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366218597256400946/screenshot_20240811112522.png?ex=6814c2f8&is=68137178&hm=fcf11fe074090bb27a00140674444950db897e589cfa81d2989bef4ff6f33634& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366218597495734404/screenshot_20250427190422.png?ex=6814c2f8&is=68137178&hm=e76716f9ebeea43c6c8cc945437d505675de80455091bc716082c0b6562c85e6& [27-Apr-25 08:05 PM] jab.sh#0000 I haven't had the best luck with LM shipping ads [27-Apr-25 08:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah I donโ€™t do LM shipping any more [27-Apr-25 08:05 PM] jab.sh#0000 I don't for anything important [27-Apr-25 08:05 PM] jab.sh#0000 for NA? don't care. have all of it. ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Apr-25 08:05 PM] tanda#0000 lol [27-Apr-25 08:06 PM] tanda#0000 I just did something like 40+ LM ads for shipping FE [27-Apr-25 08:06 PM] tanda#0000 all of it arrived [27-Apr-25 08:06 PM] jab.sh#0000 maybe I should start making glass [27-Apr-25 08:06 PM] manhim#0000 My SE-648c base has almost 100% LM shipping and it's been working well so far {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Apr-25 08:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 I've also been doing 500 max for shipping ads, just in case someone with starter ships doesn't notice the size, which I think is what happened with Arkzer [27-Apr-25 08:09 PM] manhim#0000 Yeah, I do that too [27-Apr-25 11:26 PM] pagy1234#0000 why does my current assets share keep increasing {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366269343335321630/Screenshot_2025-04-28_at_12.26.06_PM.png?ex=6814f23b&is=6813a0bb&hm=50660e3257adf2902be261ae3b10a4af795427155d86960957fa9b413a6d4b42& [27-Apr-25 11:30 PM] pagy1234#0000 like [27-Apr-25 11:30 PM] pagy1234#0000 I have slightly stuff sitting around these days [27-Apr-25 11:31 PM] pagy1234#0000 but generally im selling tons of stuff [27-Apr-25 11:31 PM] pagy1234#0000 and doing stuff with it [28-Apr-25 12:13 AM] tanda#0000 Iirc non current is stuff like ships, hqs and base buildings (which depreciate) [28-Apr-25 12:56 AM] vanarazor#0000 current > non current means you are getting richer than all the money you put into your ship HQ and buildings that could also mean if you selling all your stock like you are saying, that you might need repairs [28-Apr-25 12:56 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366291948872405022/image.png?ex=68150749&is=6813b5c9&hm=30515e80ffd69d44de6de2bc24ae94034bde73faacb6857bd3fcc99e03e7807e& [28-Apr-25 01:50 AM] evov#0000 If there are no current jobs for that pop tier, best to leave it at zero. Problem with getting population in a tier that doesn't have any jobs..... 1 worker with zero jobs = 100% unemployment = 0% happiness. Happiness gets averaged out over several weeks. So, as counter intuitive as it may be, if there's zero jobs for engineers, having zero engineers is the best way to quickly fill pop when a new base goes down. This might not be that easy to manage, you may get some tech's moving up through education anyway. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Apr-25 03:36 AM] razenpok#0000 The main problem (from a dev standpoint) with recurring orders is that they incur CPU and memory costs without any player interaction. For me, it sounds reasonable not to allow non-paying users to create additional running costs. {Reactions} VoteYes (3) [28-Apr-25 03:59 AM] laaxus#0000 I don't think recuring orders should be that computer intensive tbh [28-Apr-25 04:02 AM] razenpok#0000 Consider all the involved parts - updating the production line (and possibly other production lines that rely on its outputs), experts, workforce, inventory changes, notifications, FIN updates, probably something else I could not remember [28-Apr-25 04:04 AM] razenpok#0000 Ah, fees also, that affects the government FIN books [28-Apr-25 04:05 AM] razenpok#0000 Also updating LEAD database [28-Apr-25 04:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 What are we thinking about an Antares Central Bank, or is that obsolete with lowstrife and co? [28-Apr-25 05:01 AM] laaxus#0000 It is tbh [28-Apr-25 05:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Read this feature suggestion of SilentReaper about banks and thought it might be a cool thing to have in ANT. https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/banks-as-an-official-game-mechanic/6987 {Embed} https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/banks-as-an-official-game-mechanic/6987 Banks as an official game mechanic Banks have been floating around PrUn functionally for a long time now. Lowstrife has offered his loans since before I joined the game. Then there was Shrewdbank. And before Insula vanished, he also ran a sort of bank like organization. Now you have organizations like ADI or BEST that offer new members grants. And you still have Schaitrโ€™s cheap... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/x0Lcv9Tc0WstLZAut1pc9Cply1Z-ZpDJ_X3qJLQ4S_k/https/com.prosperousuniverse.com/uploads/default/original/1X/9637dadda95e302d05ebee320ec8473189637a64.jpg [28-Apr-25 05:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But yeah, I donโ€™t see much benefit either ๐Ÿ˜‚ [28-Apr-25 05:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 I like the idea of the trader employees though [28-Apr-25 05:12 AM] pagy1234#0000 even the ship leasing sounds awesome [28-Apr-25 05:28 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I really like idea of an Antarean bank, where people can invest their money into and let it work. Tho without any game-supporting mechanisms, most of the management would be via semi-manual sheets. [28-Apr-25 05:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But then again, 3% is more or less the highest interest rate you can do, since lowstrife is capping the market [28-Apr-25 05:32 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Maybe higher rates for higher volumes ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [28-Apr-25 05:32 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Like 5% for >= 10mil [28-Apr-25 05:33 AM] tanda#0000 well, anything in the sphere of credit is rather badly maintained, imo [28-Apr-25 05:34 AM] tanda#0000 OOG runs a credit bureau where lenders can self report the loans they have out, and that's pretty badly maintained [28-Apr-25 05:35 AM] laaxus#0000 I see no benefit doing the same service as lowstrife [28-Apr-25 05:35 AM] laaxus#0000 he's doing as good as it is possible [28-Apr-25 05:36 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm cooking up a leased base service, with which the players can buy the leased base over the course of 90 days [28-Apr-25 05:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Yeah, I know. I just really like the idea of an Antares Central Bank ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚ [28-Apr-25 06:24 AM] evov#0000 In theory - loans / banking is a good idea. High permit players have a hard time getting the same rate of return on their capital that low permit players can get. So it makes sense for high permit players to loan capital to low permit players and the profits from a high rate of return get split. BUT . . . 1. It's hard to securitize loans in the game. People borrow lots from multiple places, play for a month or two and quit without paying back the loans. So it's a difficult problem to attribute risk. 2. From my perspective - it's just very un-interesting. Having fat stacks of capital sitting around allows me to do things that feel more fun and engaging than simply loaning it out for some low % rate of return. I think the ANT Central Bank idea sounds cool and interesting in theory, but there's a few major hurdles there that would need to be solved before I'd think about putting AIC towards helping back it. [28-Apr-25 06:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The problem with people loaning out money and just leaving is obviously not solvable, but could be minimised by having a โ€œbackground checkโ€ for every application. Tho additional bureaucracy in a game is always a hurdle for borrower and lender. Thatโ€™s probably the reason, why lowstrife mostly just accepts contracts send to them. [28-Apr-25 06:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Also, the story of shrewdsun shows how risky it can be to lend out other peoples money. Especially if they expect some fixed ROI [28-Apr-25 07:01 AM] pxlfox.#0000 By โ€œbackground checkโ€ I mean a screenshot of XIT FIN and XIT FINPR, days online and maybe a โ€œcredit scoreโ€ by already payed loans . [28-Apr-25 07:12 AM] realharvey#0000 No one would want to do this much work for 3% interest [28-Apr-25 07:12 AM] realharvey#0000 And you have to use those 3% otherwise you can't compete with lowstrife [28-Apr-25 07:13 AM] realharvey#0000 Lowstrife has publicly said that he isn't making any money with it, because that interest barely covers the loans that are not paid back [28-Apr-25 07:19 AM] pxlfox.#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ช [28-Apr-25 07:20 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Then there wonโ€™t be an Antarean bank I guess [28-Apr-25 07:42 AM] bishopsix#0000 TFIN: No worries, our very own Antarean ~~loansharks~~ private entity loaners can and will help you! Whether you want it or not! [28-Apr-25 07:44 AM] bishopsix#0000 But yeah I kinda agree a bank would be a bit of an overhead [28-Apr-25 07:45 AM] bishopsix#0000 I would actually prefer a simple system like Heroes of Might and Magic 7 had, where there is a small interest rate for X days and you can take a max of 100k. It like doesn't help help, but its at least there? [28-Apr-25 07:46 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I just noticed how absurdly low 3% interest are ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ™ˆ 10 mil return 300k interest [28-Apr-25 07:55 AM] realharvey#0000 Interest is usually calculated per week so there is a little bit more coming out of it [28-Apr-25 07:56 AM] realharvey#0000 But due to how the game works the risk of loans not getting payed back due to leaving the game is to high [28-Apr-25 07:56 AM] realharvey#0000 To really make this a business in the game interest rates would need to be way higher to address this. [28-Apr-25 08:04 AM] harkenn#0000 Casually trying to buy resources for the NL base and 2 week inputs are 1 mil ๐Ÿ™ƒ [28-Apr-25 08:05 AM] harkenn#0000 lets just dial that 2 week input plan back by quite a bit, lol [28-Apr-25 08:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 I dont have 2 weeks of material inputs on any of my bases lol [28-Apr-25 08:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 its too expensive [28-Apr-25 08:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 only consumables I aim for 25 days [28-Apr-25 08:10 AM] jvaler#0000 i've seen 2 deposit systems tried so far and they've had 2 outcomes: losing a bunch of money due to overzealous lending, or not being able to invest their money fast enough due to low loan demand(because of lowstrife i presume) [28-Apr-25 08:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 lol [28-Apr-25 08:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, aslong and lowstrife keeps giving loans, I dont think anyone else can compete [28-Apr-25 08:21 AM] laaxus#0000 the only way to compete would be to lower the inherent risk [28-Apr-25 08:21 AM] laaxus#0000 it means : talking more with the loaner so that he doesn't fail [28-Apr-25 08:25 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/dumb-and-dumber-lloyd-theres-a-chance-jim-carrey-gif-11098164 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/dumb-and-dumber-lloyd-theres-a-chance-jim-carrey-gif-11098164 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/UBMJiU5zIvzymzn8w5HbdGl5ijSU4xXi-geyoQoKT4k/https/media.tenor.com/VKU7xwwZJ_EAAAAe/dumb-and-dumber-lloyd.png [28-Apr-25 08:28 AM] laaxus#0000 No {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [28-Apr-25 08:29 AM] laaxus#0000 In other news, the ADI corp HQ has been moved to hephaestus {Reactions} ๐Ÿฅณ (2) [28-Apr-25 09:34 AM] realharvey#0000 If you annoy people to much with questions regarding their loan they'll either just lose interest or go to lowstrife ๐Ÿ˜‚ [28-Apr-25 09:34 AM] jab.sh#0000 only if they know about lowstrife [28-Apr-25 09:55 AM] jab.sh#0000 [28-Apr-25 09:55 AM] jab.sh#0000 I'd love to hear more about your python lib ๐Ÿ‘€ [28-Apr-25 10:13 AM] marat_sh#0000 @jcheung saw your chat on Origo [28-Apr-25 10:13 AM] marat_sh#0000 how much H you need? [28-Apr-25 10:13 AM] marat_sh#0000 I have like 200 H to spare [28-Apr-25 10:22 AM] jcheung#0000 that was last week ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Apr-25 10:22 AM] jcheung#0000 i'm good on H for a little bit, ty though [28-Apr-25 10:24 AM] jab.sh#0000 what is MTC for? [28-Apr-25 10:28 AM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/shake-my-head-snoop-dogg-red-table-talk-smh-oh-man-gif-16483630 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/shake-my-head-snoop-dogg-red-table-talk-smh-oh-man-gif-16483630 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/12lWtViJAquW7QxyFxI-nsrBWeOMMEjAWJldDdoThtI/https/media.tenor.com/oU8nCyZnpvkAAAAe/shake-my-head-snoop-dogg.png [28-Apr-25 10:28 AM] marat_sh#0000 I didn't see the date my bad ๐Ÿฅฒ [28-Apr-25 10:32 AM] jcheung#0000 np [28-Apr-25 10:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 might be for pop upkeep [28-Apr-25 10:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 considering archiel is the only one buying [28-Apr-25 10:37 AM] jab.sh#0000 it has no market ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Apr-25 10:57 AM] jab.sh#0000 I'm gonna make a few just for fun and to see what happens [28-Apr-25 11:04 AM] getonthetrain#0000 MTC had zero use, they didn't even have MTC needed for the gateways at first until some of us players complained that it needed to be added to give it some tiny bit of function [28-Apr-25 11:05 AM] jab.sh#0000 oh so it's actually useless? ๐Ÿ˜† [28-Apr-25 11:05 AM] getonthetrain#0000 currently yes, when gateways drop then extremely minimum {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Apr-25 11:06 AM] getonthetrain#0000 but everyone already made all the MTC they needed for their planned gateways I think [28-Apr-25 11:06 AM] jab.sh#0000 I won't make much then [28-Apr-25 11:22 AM] bigtoot#0000 Has anyone attempted to automate this? FIO has contract access, and you can share your fio data with permissions [28-Apr-25 11:23 AM] .urpalhal#0000 No itโ€™s manual [28-Apr-25 01:07 PM] laaxus#0000 @Market Alerts CL cleared (in the opposite way this time) [28-Apr-25 01:08 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366476171285495918/image.png?ex=68150a1b&is=6813b89b&hm=cd272b26a3af7a12040599baeeca16f41f0f77ae962f1bb89f2d0674b24bcac9& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฎ [28-Apr-25 01:11 PM] jab.sh#0000 do I need a 3rd CL base ๐Ÿ˜… [28-Apr-25 01:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 Posted a couple cheap buys [28-Apr-25 01:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 Hopefully they persuade someone to post better bids ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Apr-25 01:14 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m surprised people are selling into bids - is CL not moving at ask? [28-Apr-25 01:19 PM] laaxus#0000 the people that were buying at ask were probably opportunist ddt producer [28-Apr-25 01:19 PM] laaxus#0000 if you have a supply chain needing CL, you probably have CHP bases [28-Apr-25 01:20 PM] laaxus#0000 Anyway I'm gonna remove my Chp bases [28-Apr-25 01:20 PM] laaxus#0000 not right now but soonish [28-Apr-25 01:21 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, but why would a CL producer sell into the ~asks~ bids at such a wide spread? (Unless they really need money ofc) [28-Apr-25 01:22 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m gonna keep mixing those up forever {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [28-Apr-25 01:23 PM] laaxus#0000 because he believed that my bid would be better than the future price ? [28-Apr-25 01:24 PM] laaxus#0000 ***B***ids are at the ***B***ottom {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [28-Apr-25 01:25 PM] sidepipe#0000 I guess that has to be the case, but it seems like a bad bet since CL is usually fairly liquid anyway. Itโ€™s always moved pretty well at ask prices, it just might not be at 3.8k anymore ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Apr-25 01:26 PM] laaxus#0000 yeah [28-Apr-25 01:26 PM] laaxus#0000 people will dismantle their CL base ne masse [28-Apr-25 01:26 PM] laaxus#0000 price will rise [28-Apr-25 01:26 PM] laaxus#0000 as long as I keep the HAL supply steady [28-Apr-25 01:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Idk why people do that [28-Apr-25 01:27 PM] laaxus#0000 I'll be able to recommend CL bases to new players [28-Apr-25 01:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I donโ€™t feel like constantly pivoting bases is profitable [28-Apr-25 01:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But Iโ€™m happy for new bros [28-Apr-25 01:27 PM] laaxus#0000 I mean, I teared down my 2 FRM bases because HER probably won't be as profitable as it used to be [28-Apr-25 01:28 PM] laaxus#0000 it was good as long as it lasted [28-Apr-25 01:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 (Then again I donโ€™t get into the bubble markets) [28-Apr-25 01:28 PM] bishopsix#0000 i just started one ๐Ÿฅน [28-Apr-25 01:28 PM] sidepipe#0000 I usually donโ€™t jump ship unless the profitability becomes genuinely bad - like < 50k/day [28-Apr-25 01:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 Note that itโ€™s not _as_ profitable, but still plenty profitable {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ (2) [28-Apr-25 01:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 (At least iirc, but Iโ€™ll check mine when I get home just in case ๐Ÿ˜„) [28-Apr-25 01:30 PM] laaxus#0000 we're not playing the same game [28-Apr-25 01:30 PM] laaxus#0000 FRM bases probably still has a good roi [28-Apr-25 01:30 PM] laaxus#0000 it just doesn't have one of the most profit per day in the game anymore [28-Apr-25 01:30 PM] laaxus#0000 if a base is good for you and for me, then this base is op [28-Apr-25 01:31 PM] laaxus#0000 ideally, it should be good for either you or me [28-Apr-25 01:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 What Laaxus is trying to say is that he optimizes for maximum profit / base (or your favorite similar metric) at the expense of rebuilding a lot of bases ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Apr-25 01:34 PM] sidepipe#0000 So if youโ€™re doing that, you gotta get out as soon as the price starts trending down and find the next best base [28-Apr-25 01:37 PM] laaxus#0000 exact, sorry if I was not clear [28-Apr-25 01:37 PM] laaxus#0000 my goal is to maximize profit / d [28-Apr-25 01:37 PM] laaxus#0000 yours should be to maximize roi [28-Apr-25 01:40 PM] bishopsix#0000 oh no its totally clear and I respect your game! [28-Apr-25 01:41 PM] bishopsix#0000 I am more of a vibe trader, truthfully, I play the game more out of leisure rather than really getting into it. And I am fine with that, but you guys are legends tbh ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Apr-25 01:41 PM] laaxus#0000 it's just that we are at a different stage [28-Apr-25 01:41 PM] laaxus#0000 it cost me 20M just for upgrading hq and get another permit {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [28-Apr-25 01:41 PM] bishopsix#0000 mentally and phisically dominating, like a greek god, its just that [28-Apr-25 01:42 PM] bishopsix#0000 https://tenor.com/view/omori-cecily-manic-mania-maniac-gif-6403874423314062278 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/omori-cecily-manic-mania-maniac-gif-6403874423314062278 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/4gPjFBPlyJ5YN6CrdOdZPwpJTv5ZhxFmacpHzKZeYrc/https/media.tenor.com/WN8h29vYG8YAAAAe/omori-cecily.png [28-Apr-25 01:44 PM] bishopsix#0000 and I am happy for a 100k profit after a week ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [28-Apr-25 01:45 PM] laaxus#0000 profit growth is like a mountain It will accelerate exponentially then you'll crash into HQ level 20 {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [28-Apr-25 01:49 PM] jab.sh#0000 hq upgrade cost scales faster than base profit? ๐Ÿค” [28-Apr-25 01:50 PM] laaxus#0000 after lvl 20, yes [28-Apr-25 01:51 PM] laaxus#0000 https://prunplanner.org/tools/hqupgradecost {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/tools/hqupgradecost PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [28-Apr-25 01:52 PM] laaxus#0000 total hq upgrade cost from 1 to 20 is lower than from 20 to 22 {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฎ [28-Apr-25 01:52 PM] jab.sh#0000 I'm still a couple levels from 20 [28-Apr-25 01:53 PM] jab.sh#0000 is that mostly afabs? [28-Apr-25 01:53 PM] laaxus#0000 yes [28-Apr-25 01:53 PM] laaxus#0000 lots and lots of afabs [28-Apr-25 01:53 PM] jab.sh#0000 we need more coops like CAAP [28-Apr-25 01:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [28-Apr-25 01:54 PM] jab.sh#0000 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Jj5SSNo5OQPkBizfxGk3h-rVLPM5kkChoJDWE9VgnH8/edit?usp=sharing {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Jj5SSNo5OQPkBizfxGk3h-rVLPM5kkChoJDWE9VgnH8/edit?usp=sharing CAAP Project Mastersheet https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/xkRDNmTf3_GatRPeg-WwHfWO3gtKfo95hrtZv0nY-KA/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyLYxdFrXM_B4ZPSBp4HpTLfk8u8b_tBQR34E3OM9oLpkBOp-iEX8yu9PXFv_jkm6S6kfZLMeVGQ7oAVjoyrGA_WZNW5BB9MmfeuNZ_1Oi6SR6O_TFqo%3Dw1200-h630-p [28-Apr-25 01:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 That sheet confuses me {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [28-Apr-25 01:56 PM] jab.sh#0000 I just mean we need more vertically integrated afabs to bring down costs [28-Apr-25 01:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [28-Apr-25 01:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Maybe after RFABs tho? [28-Apr-25 01:57 PM] jab.sh#0000 corgi does rfabs [28-Apr-25 01:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I know :UmaruWink: [28-Apr-25 01:58 PM] sidepipe#0000 Afabs arenโ€™t too bad. Theyโ€™re expensive, but I think you can afford them if you have 20+ bases ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Apr-25 01:58 PM] sidepipe#0000 Not that I would complain if they got cheaper ofc [28-Apr-25 01:58 PM] laaxus#0000 are you guys not satisfied with my prices ? ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜ญ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [28-Apr-25 01:59 PM] laaxus#0000 it's not my fault if moria is selling at a loss [28-Apr-25 02:00 PM] jab.sh#0000 sounds like you need to buy from moria to raise prices there [28-Apr-25 02:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I donโ€™t really keep up with your progress and your goals [28-Apr-25 02:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜… [28-Apr-25 02:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Nor where the price of RFaBs is [28-Apr-25 02:00 PM] laaxus#0000 I usually put a large amount of Rfabs at a certain price to make a ceiling [28-Apr-25 02:01 PM] laaxus#0000 and let other people compete to go lower if they feel like it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Apr-25 02:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Guess they donโ€™t feel like it [28-Apr-25 02:01 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366489598930194574/image.png?ex=6815169c&is=6813c51c&hm=b4c7622242775c84d8f05eaec9adb06343cb554c55a229bf864fd17b6fe20187& [28-Apr-25 02:02 PM] laaxus#0000 honeslty, I feel like i'm currently not doing as well as I used to [28-Apr-25 02:02 PM] igfloz#0000 I'll be putting some up once I start liquidating (not a real competitor, more a fire sale :D) [28-Apr-25 02:02 PM] laaxus#0000 but I can't focus on fabs when all my ships are busy reconfiguring the empire {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [28-Apr-25 02:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh RSE is not too bad, but fair about the ships [28-Apr-25 02:02 PM] laaxus#0000 RSE is selling at a loss [28-Apr-25 02:03 PM] laaxus#0000 RSE cost of production is 22.5k/u [28-Apr-25 02:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Thatโ€™s 100/u profit right there {Reactions} ๐Ÿค‘ (4) [28-Apr-25 02:04 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-bunny-money-money-louis-vuitton-bugs-bunny-gif-16518168 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-bunny-money-money-louis-vuitton-bugs-bunny-gif-16518168 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/NoEdIMgRiCLAEOC6Z_fWCGNs_D6pEo18aGJYxPJfESM/https/media.tenor.com/UeOID8bIvYIAAAAe/rabbit-bunny.png [28-Apr-25 02:17 PM] bishopsix#0000 would selling the BBH/BSE be a good idea if I want to expand my ALO/FRM industry? ๐Ÿค” I do not thiiiink I will use these anytime soon. [28-Apr-25 02:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah theyโ€™re good products {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [28-Apr-25 02:21 PM] laaxus#0000 when thinking about building a base for you own production, think of building the base and selling at ask price [28-Apr-25 02:21 PM] laaxus#0000 because self supply is effectively buying from yourself at ask price {Reactions} โค๏ธ (2) ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) ๐Ÿ‘† (2) ๐Ÿ‰ (2) ๐ŸŒˆ [28-Apr-25 02:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Theyโ€™re used a lot and both get pinned to the MM [28-Apr-25 02:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So people will buy them when you sell them {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [28-Apr-25 02:31 PM] bishopsix#0000 I am trying to figure out if it's worth making another base or upgrading the ones I have with a base permit [28-Apr-25 02:32 PM] bishopsix#0000 jab seems to be against it, but if I open up another base it will strain my already small 2 ships [28-Apr-25 02:33 PM] jab.sh#0000 I would hold on to some, since you need them to build new buildings {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [28-Apr-25 02:34 PM] jab.sh#0000 I had 5 or 6 bases with a single ship for quite a while, but I wasn't responsible for shipping anything except pop consumables and repairs {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [28-Apr-25 02:35 PM] bishopsix#0000 woah I need more cash for sure if I want to expand that much ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Apr-25 03:37 PM] potaterror#0000 Yep. One side perk of some of the bfabs is that they're so frequently at/near the MM that having a stake in a production syndicate means an easy way to move currencies. Well, if you ever get a surplus, that is. Stockpiling for vibes-based logistics ease can make that take a long while, I'm finding out. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [28-Apr-25 03:38 PM] laaxus#0000 The only thing I'm stockpiling is na [28-Apr-25 03:38 PM] laaxus#0000 And it's for mรชme purposes [28-Apr-25 03:38 PM] laaxus#0000 Idk how I'll use them yet [28-Apr-25 03:39 PM] laaxus#0000 But it'll be glorious [28-Apr-25 03:42 PM] potaterror#0000 I've gotten lazy, so I'm just piling up necessary materials in excess of what my demand is so I can just go "Oh, I've dropped below , time to place a buy order for . {Reactions} โ˜๏ธ [28-Apr-25 07:32 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366572863385108512/image.png?ex=6814bb68&is=681369e8&hm=b3d069b47701aa3652c400f5f0d6ae84d65db1127ac982ad3fff4a3d912c9e09& [28-Apr-25 07:32 PM] vanarazor#0000 how comes fixed asset does not show my ships ? [28-Apr-25 07:33 PM] vanarazor#0000 and no bases either, how ever it does show my base section which is what? [28-Apr-25 07:33 PM] vanarazor#0000 can anyone explains this part of the balance statement FINBS ? [28-Apr-25 10:35 PM] getonthetrain#0000 Which cargo bay ship is most popular? 2k or WCB? [28-Apr-25 10:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Depends [28-Apr-25 10:35 PM] getonthetrain#0000 just in general [28-Apr-25 10:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 LCB probably [28-Apr-25 10:36 PM] jab.sh#0000 I like 2k but for heavy stuff like ores and metals the WCB is better [28-Apr-25 10:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yep [28-Apr-25 10:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Unless itโ€™s ALO than LCB is better {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [29-Apr-25 12:00 AM] realharvey#0000 The easiest explanation is: only use XIT FIN stuff. The vanilla stuff is useless which is why RPRUN has its own fin stats {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [29-Apr-25 01:35 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366664237375557722/image.png?ex=68151081&is=6813bf01&hm=7cf39b9ae415e76e09f35e93f3343ca0cb8fed405dbeb173f7f52300af5bb6a1& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [29-Apr-25 01:35 AM] laaxus#0000 price of AL going up [29-Apr-25 02:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 we'll see [29-Apr-25 02:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 but looks promising [29-Apr-25 02:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 it just started to rise, so it's unclear, if it stays there or will go down soon [29-Apr-25 02:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 we had huge buys the last weekend, which increased the prices [29-Apr-25 02:09 AM] pxlfox.#0000 AL smelting stays unattractive {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366672813100109886/image.png?ex=6815187e&is=6813c6fe&hm=f7228611544fb16ecd6e924a3c2c107601b46410f8cbdf89efe7a14500a677b7& [29-Apr-25 02:12 AM] evov#0000 At the moment - I'd say popularity/demand is like -- 2k2k(LCB) > 5k5k(HCB) > 3k1k heavy(WCB) >>>>> 1k3k Gas(VCB) {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ ๐Ÿ‘ [29-Apr-25 02:16 AM] bishopsix#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366674369031442462/raw.png?ex=681519f1&is=6813c871&hm=122f4698d892f321b56cdf0f2146a9336b471fee32f311315ebaa740c3c201bf& [29-Apr-25 02:16 AM] bishopsix#0000 I can't wait to expand into AL [29-Apr-25 02:16 AM] bishopsix#0000 I love the feel of it, the taste of it... [29-Apr-25 02:18 AM] bishopsix#0000 https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-i-love-gold-goldmember-gif-19735343 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-i-love-gold-goldmember-gif-19735343 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Nb23cBx9yvl73Kk9CN5v3eBfNjOklINEHLwS_fNu_NM/https/media.tenor.com/gH_fVSxmpM0AAAAe/austin-powers-i-love-gold.png [29-Apr-25 02:18 AM] evov#0000 I also can't wait for more people to expand into AL. More... I want MORE! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [29-Apr-25 02:32 AM] bishopsix#0000 the max number of active experts you can have in a base is 6? No way to increase them? [29-Apr-25 02:32 AM] laaxus#0000 No [29-Apr-25 02:32 AM] jvaler#0000 6 max total, 5 max per industry. no way to increase [29-Apr-25 02:34 AM] bishopsix#0000 rats [29-Apr-25 05:50 AM] pagy1234#0000 :RAT: {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [29-Apr-25 09:28 AM] getonthetrain#0000 I hope someone is expanding C production as the new MM is going to majorly up demand [29-Apr-25 09:51 AM] jhyn.#0000 So would agriculture or food processing be more needed long-term in Harmonia? I do have two food experts [29-Apr-25 09:51 AM] jhyn.#0000 or should I try to do 50/50 and minimize shipping [29-Apr-25 09:51 AM] .urpalhal#0000 @jhyn. The CoGC has a voting cycle of what industry to boost, so theoretically it can change but they rarely ever do especially on big planets. [29-Apr-25 09:52 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Long term Agri would be better [29-Apr-25 09:52 AM] .urpalhal#0000 You can build on a planet with a food processing CoGC later {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [29-Apr-25 09:53 AM] bishopsix#0000 can we do a split FRM and HYF to boost a second product line of goods? [29-Apr-25 09:53 AM] jhyn.#0000 Would you recommend going full specialisation on your first base to begin with? [29-Apr-25 09:53 AM] bishopsix#0000 or should we focus on producing just one output [29-Apr-25 09:54 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes you could {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [29-Apr-25 09:54 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But like what recipes you run depends on what you want to do with the out puts [29-Apr-25 09:55 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s the most efficient meta [29-Apr-25 09:55 AM] bishopsix#0000 tfw spreadsheet meta [29-Apr-25 09:56 AM] .urpalhal#0000 So every day you use X amount of RAT, DW, OVE, COF and PWO, but that doesnโ€™t increase if you make more stuff by having more experts, or other efficiency bonuses like CoGC [29-Apr-25 09:56 AM] jhyn.#0000 so minimizing shipping is not a big goal [29-Apr-25 09:56 AM] .urpalhal#0000 No [29-Apr-25 09:57 AM] .urpalhal#0000 We offer kits to upgrade your starter ships here [29-Apr-25 09:58 AM] jhyn.#0000 Btw do you recommend buying COF for pioneers? The math looks nonobvious [29-Apr-25 09:58 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes [29-Apr-25 09:58 AM] .urpalhal#0000 COF and PWO boost your efficiency [29-Apr-25 09:59 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I would check out prunplanner.com [29-Apr-25 09:59 AM] .urpalhal#0000 In #agp-information there is a video about how to use it [29-Apr-25 09:59 AM] bishopsix#0000 one thing I learned early on Jhyn is that prunplanner is king, also having 2 luxury resources is always worth it [29-Apr-25 10:00 AM] .urpalhal#0000 It can show you what recipes are worth running and what buildings to build and how COF and PWO will help or not [29-Apr-25 10:00 AM] jhyn.#0000 It's like, I know myself and I'll be there in one month, but I don't want to burn myself out by having all 100% efficient decisions day one [29-Apr-25 10:00 AM] .urpalhal#0000 No yeah fair fair [29-Apr-25 10:01 AM] bishopsix#0000 the first day I played I set up everything and then a week went by just planning in prunplanner and talking with people [29-Apr-25 10:01 AM] bishopsix#0000 hell, the first months actually. [29-Apr-25 10:02 AM] bishopsix#0000 so no worries about burning out, its literally impossible [29-Apr-25 10:02 AM] .urpalhal#0000 No itโ€™s possible [29-Apr-25 10:02 AM] jhyn.#0000 Thanks for the nice words in any case, I'll probably come back for your offers in a little while when I have some time so think things out {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [29-Apr-25 10:02 AM] loans_13178#0000 So, I would like to say it happened to me so Jhyn take you time and do what ever you need to do on your end to plan things out in a way that makes sense for you [29-Apr-25 10:03 AM] bishopsix#0000 I would say you can get bored but burned out eh... ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿผโ€โ™‚๏ธ [29-Apr-25 10:03 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s possible {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [29-Apr-25 10:04 AM] loans_13178#0000 I did get a bit burned out within a couple weeks of playing because I had school, work, and other life commitments that I ended up droping the game for a bit. {Reactions} โค๏ธ [29-Apr-25 10:04 AM] loans_13178#0000 It's best to just take it at a pace that you learn to understand the little things and then build up from there. [29-Apr-25 10:05 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Thatโ€™s the nice thing about the game [29-Apr-25 10:05 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s pretty easy to take slow or fast [29-Apr-25 10:05 AM] jhyn.#0000 In every game there is the discovery phase where you understand stuff screen by screen, and you don't get those feelings back later [29-Apr-25 10:08 AM] bishopsix#0000 I get it, though to me burning out always meant playing it so much that you get bored, but each has their own experience ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [29-Apr-25 10:39 AM] pagy1234#0000 @jhyn. answering the question you put in harmonia planet chat, no the CoGC isnt permenant, but in most cases it might aswell be since the people on that planet most likely already have production that benefits from the CoGC, so they will always vote to keep that bonus [29-Apr-25 10:39 AM] pagy1234#0000 In all my time playing the game I havent seen any CoGC's get overturned [29-Apr-25 10:40 AM] pagy1234#0000 only that funny chat about overthrowing Phobos from electronics to agri, but that never got close to happening [29-Apr-25 10:40 AM] jhyn.#0000 Got it, thank you [29-Apr-25 10:49 AM] jab.sh#0000 wow that filled up fast, 10k on the books now [29-Apr-25 10:51 AM] jab.sh#0000 I've got more C than I know what to do with and was thinking about putting down a C base {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [29-Apr-25 10:54 AM] jab.sh#0000 and now I'm on phobos running electronics ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-Apr-25 10:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 im still farming ther e [29-Apr-25 10:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 but I might change it when permits are actually that expensive [29-Apr-25 10:55 AM] jab.sh#0000 I was (mostly) joking about helping switch it to agri [29-Apr-25 10:55 AM] jab.sh#0000 but now I have a vested interest in it staying elec [29-Apr-25 10:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 haha [29-Apr-25 10:56 AM] pagy1234#0000 maybe one day it would be funny to turn over a planet [29-Apr-25 10:56 AM] pagy1234#0000 like offer everyone 1 mil to vote like resource extraction on a chem planet or something lol [29-Apr-25 10:57 AM] getonthetrain#0000 maybe we can turn Origo over to resource extraction for that precious gold! {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [29-Apr-25 10:57 AM] .urpalhal#0000 :dread: [29-Apr-25 10:57 AM] getonthetrain#0000 pretty serious about that too [29-Apr-25 10:58 AM] getonthetrain#0000 take a look at the markets [29-Apr-25 10:58 AM] getonthetrain#0000 and then look at the options for AUO in the universe {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [29-Apr-25 11:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah damn, these are the only 4 reasonable options within ANT {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366807195093569668/Screenshot_2025-04-30_at_12.03.30_AM.png?ex=6814ece5&is=68139b65&hm=dc1e48c8d0f458333ddbb708d0e4bbcea025947369aef4c9140962f19331024b& [29-Apr-25 11:04 AM] pagy1234#0000 origo by far the best [29-Apr-25 11:04 AM] pagy1234#0000 but I think the colonisation of something like Australia is fine [29-Apr-25 11:04 AM] pagy1234#0000 considering universe AU usage isnt ultra high [29-Apr-25 11:04 AM] jab.sh#0000 lmao we have a planet named Australia ๐Ÿคฃ [29-Apr-25 11:04 AM] jab.sh#0000 I didn't even know that [29-Apr-25 11:08 AM] getonthetrain#0000 Australia with the MGC & TSH needed? that's crazy {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [29-Apr-25 11:08 AM] jab.sh#0000 yeah no wonder I haven't heard of it, triple red ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [29-Apr-25 11:08 AM] jab.sh#0000 oh there's only one base on it [29-Apr-25 11:09 AM] jab.sh#0000 yeah don't go there lol [29-Apr-25 11:09 AM] realharvey#0000 naming a one base planet. Thats determination [29-Apr-25 11:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 nah nah, thers no bases at all, the one plot is from the popi infrastructure [29-Apr-25 11:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 lmaoo [29-Apr-25 11:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 damn, the person who named it did so 1370 days ago [29-Apr-25 11:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 and they coliqed since then {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [29-Apr-25 11:11 AM] jab.sh#0000 oh does that use up a plot? [29-Apr-25 11:11 AM] jab.sh#0000 I was wondering about that [29-Apr-25 11:11 AM] getonthetrain#0000 all the infra uses a spot [29-Apr-25 11:11 AM] jab.sh#0000 a spot each? [29-Apr-25 11:11 AM] getonthetrain#0000 yes {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [29-Apr-25 11:12 AM] jab.sh#0000 ah it's in the Demeter system [29-Apr-25 11:12 AM] getonthetrain#0000 a few months back there was a big purge of inactive players, which made a planet (forget which one) have a free slot and the shipyard was completed after something like 1000 days {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [29-Apr-25 11:12 AM] getonthetrain#0000 it was waiting for a free plot that whole time [29-Apr-25 11:13 AM] jab.sh#0000 the 1000 year shipyard project [29-Apr-25 11:14 AM] realharvey#0000 reminds me of the german airport in berlin that took ages to build [29-Apr-25 11:26 AM] jcheung#0000 Took me about 7 months. Bit off more than i could chew. [29-Apr-25 11:27 AM] jcheung#0000 Issa penal colony [29-Apr-25 11:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 I HATE THIS {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366813620750651513/Screenshot_2025-04-30_at_12.29.14_AM.png?ex=6814f2e1&is=6813a161&hm=a798bf523283f21758b6ea64d48592f67175eec88fba35234a2e77295b8a0c24& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [29-Apr-25 11:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 JUST GIVE ME A PLOT ALREADY [29-Apr-25 11:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 its been bouncing off +0 for 2 weeks ๐Ÿ˜ญ [29-Apr-25 11:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 but it never went belooooowwwww๐Ÿ˜ญ [29-Apr-25 11:31 AM] igfloz#0000 shows 1 for me [29-Apr-25 11:31 AM] igfloz#0000 try a refresh [29-Apr-25 11:31 AM] igfloz#0000 oh wait it shows 1/389(+0) - my bad [29-Apr-25 11:32 AM] igfloz#0000 ...welllll..... I will be bringing mine down soon, so we should collaborate on the timing [29-Apr-25 11:32 AM] jab.sh#0000 Septin has one they're going to tear down too [29-Apr-25 11:32 AM] jab.sh#0000 I may have sniped this one ๐Ÿ‘€ [29-Apr-25 11:33 AM] igfloz#0000 @pagy1234 get the building pieces for a CM ready at the Warehouse in Deimos - then you can drop it once I clear mine [29-Apr-25 01:06 PM] laaxus#0000 Me : drop 2 bases [29-Apr-25 01:06 PM] laaxus#0000 Got a combined 15 technician out of 1500 needed {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ (5) [29-Apr-25 01:40 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I made a sheet, that shows me what I need to ship :3 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366846736236019853/image.png?ex=681511b8&is=6813c038&hm=4df065f5faccaf26becccb7dc715c378504a244319e3a390bc7892f8a7226505& {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (2) [29-Apr-25 01:45 PM] pxlfox.#0000 ("Next Ship" are the days until I need to ship stuff) [29-Apr-25 01:47 PM] igfloz#0000 Isn't that the purpose of xit burn ? Not knocking it ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-Apr-25 01:48 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Yeah, for the consumption [29-Apr-25 01:48 PM] pxlfox.#0000 but the export goes by "best ship type and full ship" [29-Apr-25 01:48 PM] igfloz#0000 ah right - makes sense [29-Apr-25 01:49 PM] pxlfox.#0000 But you remembered me about something - I wanted to add a buffer to it xD [29-Apr-25 01:49 PM] igfloz#0000 lol, at least I'm good for something ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-Apr-25 01:51 PM] jab.sh#0000 so for export - is that the time until full? ๐Ÿค” [29-Apr-25 02:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 oh a full ship load [29-Apr-25 02:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 right [29-Apr-25 02:09 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Itโ€™s the time (in days) until there is a full ship load produced [29-Apr-25 02:10 PM] jab.sh#0000 so technically the base storage could fill up before then [29-Apr-25 02:10 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Technically, but I consider that a bad base design and donโ€™t do so ๐Ÿ˜‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [29-Apr-25 02:41 PM] jcheung#0000 Where ya drop it [29-Apr-25 02:47 PM] laaxus#0000 LS-014 a&b [29-Apr-25 02:47 PM] laaxus#0000 honestly, it was expected [29-Apr-25 02:47 PM] laaxus#0000 but still [29-Apr-25 02:48 PM] laaxus#0000 I hope immigration programs will help next popr [29-Apr-25 03:08 PM] laaxus#0000 update with third base : [29-Apr-25 03:08 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366868882165600379/image.png?ex=68147d98&is=68132c18&hm=b732c1d44e463fbcab4965555c6b23a4e32ea35fb44b54488cde516a4764934d& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [29-Apr-25 03:09 PM] manhim#0000 https://tenor.com/view/npc-behavior-be-like-gif-10607292567092564523 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/npc-behavior-be-like-gif-10607292567092564523 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/dWxzN6nwUBqqAn2TvP8tf76vvD-8v2rKOxftl0ZYhM4/https/media.tenor.com/kzSsY9IxkisAAAAe/npc-behavior-be-like.png [29-Apr-25 03:10 PM] laaxus#0000 I would love to hear the discussion between the manager and that single engineer [29-Apr-25 03:10 PM] laaxus#0000 see that HUGE VERY EXPENSIVE building ? [29-Apr-25 03:10 PM] laaxus#0000 that's the factory you're gonna work in [29-Apr-25 03:10 PM] laaxus#0000 very complex supply chain [29-Apr-25 03:10 PM] laaxus#0000 best equipment in the universe [29-Apr-25 03:11 PM] laaxus#0000 the eng : sweets, where are my coworker ? The manager : there's no coworker, you're gonna run it alone {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [29-Apr-25 03:11 PM] jab.sh#0000 that 1 engineer working hard [29-Apr-25 03:12 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/work-gif-18644082 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/work-gif-18644082 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/DYURYatX2aPOLnK-D6-FbuASXXAYp80GgwzsnnTbP8A/https/media.tenor.com/psDauLCBiUQAAAAe/work.png [29-Apr-25 03:14 PM] laaxus#0000 meanwhile me, the investors to my managers : Me: So, I invested about 30M into those bases, when do you think the production will start ? The managers : In terms of production, we have no production {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366870214020436151/5dc14e4c10f59c8b51dd96cfeae1c44d.png?ex=68147ed6&is=68132d56&hm=3d517b0ce9afb71b45519acd76684ccda27f40b2e2bd72f6da7b50c675346c84& [29-Apr-25 03:16 PM] laaxus#0000 LMAO {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1366870694607982693/image.png?ex=68147f48&is=68132dc8&hm=7eb2109cf46b9228f6f4e790856289aaedf13146b6cb1a93a546b6a6cf849f55& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [29-Apr-25 03:19 PM] laaxus#0000 I feel like the USA printing 5 cents coin for 14 cents per unit {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [29-Apr-25 03:20 PM] jab.sh#0000 and pennies! [29-Apr-25 06:56 PM] pagy1234#0000 oh nice, I already have them ready lol [29-Apr-25 06:57 PM] pagy1234#0000 WAIT WHAT [29-Apr-25 06:57 PM] pagy1234#0000 if i stayed awake for another 4 minutes๐Ÿ˜ญ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [29-Apr-25 07:58 PM] tanda#0000 literally just drop on ZV-194d and vertically integrate it. If you're serious about needing a lot of gold, you don't need it as, well... gold. You need it as HCC or BGC, or BGO/RGO [30-Apr-25 01:05 AM] evov#0000 You should see how long it takes to get pop when you're the first one to put a base on a planet. This base has been down for nearly 2 week. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1367018937191108689/image.png?ex=68150958&is=6813b7d8&hm=e177b434a8f86662c3b4f50e5f803f59077666dc79d6863313934c29c5b65841& [30-Apr-25 01:06 AM] laaxus#0000 Oh I'm not complaining to you [30-Apr-25 01:06 AM] laaxus#0000 I know how long it Can take [30-Apr-25 01:07 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm just laughing off it [30-Apr-25 01:08 AM] evov#0000 It's an unfortunate point of the game. High pop planets get pop faster, and there isn't really enough of a downside to it. So the tendency is population around the universe is very clustered around a few large planets. I think it would be a more interesting universe if the population was more spread out. If there were more compelling reasons to move to less populated / more distant planets. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [30-Apr-25 01:09 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The changes to the pop upkeep should make it easier to accumulate pop, tho the inherit problem of getting to a reasonable pop level stays [30-Apr-25 01:10 AM] evov#0000 Not for new/small planets. I don't think it'll make a big difference there tbh. The increased education rates will help with larger planets that have a lot of low tier workforce they don't need though. [30-Apr-25 01:11 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I guess somebody has to be the first one to settle for those distant planets [30-Apr-25 01:12 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Another problem is the absence of a CX / the long distance to one [30-Apr-25 01:13 AM] evov#0000 I think the devs have spoken about it in the past. The "intent" was that you'd get better / more resource rich planets as you move away from the CX's. But something about the initial seeding of the universe didn't go as planned. [30-Apr-25 01:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Still - If I look at some resource extraction planets we currently have, you'll need at least a ship full time to export all of it. If they get richer the farther you're away, the more shipping you need. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [30-Apr-25 01:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Offsetting the benefit of richer yields in the first place [30-Apr-25 01:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But the fact, that e.g. NC2 is basically empty and CI2 very low populated, shows, that there is not enough incentive to populate the outer skirts of the universe [30-Apr-25 02:24 AM] jab.sh#0000 it would be neat if cogc got stronger or something the farther it is {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [30-Apr-25 03:28 AM] vanarazor#0000 : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1367055047216857149/image.png?ex=68148239&is=681330b9&hm=0298d7e206ec4fe9e68986692fbba5fd661ab8380bb1093d10e5e11d84ab3aee& [30-Apr-25 03:29 AM] vanarazor#0000 I don't understand why my order for ICA is a request while the price is at set at ask [30-Apr-25 03:30 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1367055493217910804/image.png?ex=681482a4&is=68133124&hm=b726b5f9e4d9ab0c9b6e383ef313c3bc9c6532083ac3c9d593b21054c6b8a7db& [30-Apr-25 03:31 AM] vanarazor#0000 okay note for later, simply pay over the limit {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1367055828535873617/image.png?ex=681482f4&is=68133174&hm=833c2cce901739df82388471bc7c6f9394b7961fa0e6f3cf39faba01d8910738& [30-Apr-25 04:08 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1367065012895748116/image.png?ex=68148b81&is=68133a01&hm=7b73ecd394d32c007d5cb15c36aaf9062ca26b6883539d22be4613452fb4e075& {Reactions} dread (3) [30-Apr-25 04:09 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/tryan-trying-tryan-meme-tyran-tryan-memecoin-gif-8659835552010244660 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/tryan-trying-tryan-meme-tyran-tryan-memecoin-gif-8659835552010244660 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/bNELrTZS9R4GuMnB8CtOVBgZ1B-15NPr4-ingNQ2YCA/https/media.tenor.com/eC3qjYLekjQAAAAe/tryan-trying.png [30-Apr-25 04:11 AM] bishopsix#0000 its coming [30-Apr-25 04:23 AM] vanarazor#0000 EPO is dropping [30-Apr-25 04:23 AM] vanarazor#0000 and so R fabs [30-Apr-25 04:32 AM] laaxus#0000 PG, on the other hand, is going through the roof [30-Apr-25 04:36 AM] vanarazor#0000 plastics in higher demand everyone is trying to get resilient to the next economical crises [30-Apr-25 04:37 AM] vanarazor#0000 I think ~~MEA~~ IDC hit a lot a people, directly or indirectly [30-Apr-25 05:54 AM] mrponcho2569#0000 salve, i am new here. marauderW has invited me {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿผ (2) [30-Apr-25 05:55 AM] avalock#0000 Welcome [30-Apr-25 05:56 AM] bishopsix#0000 it takes a bit to ramp up Poncho, you can check out #agp-information to get your first million grant, follow the info there ๐Ÿ˜‰ [30-Apr-25 06:04 AM] mrponcho2569#0000 thx [30-Apr-25 06:08 AM] mrponcho2569#0000 ah ok so i have to upgrade to BASIC first {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [30-Apr-25 06:13 AM] bishopsix#0000 Someone will surely give you a hand, I got my license generously and kindly donated to me, as soon as it expires I will buy a new one and pass it along! โค๏ธ [30-Apr-25 07:01 AM] mrponcho2569#0000 ok, maybe i play some weeks without i better licence. If someone could provide the supplies for the pioneers for a month, I would be more helped. [30-Apr-25 07:04 AM] laaxus#0000 we can't give you anything if you don't have either pro or basic [30-Apr-25 08:17 AM] mrponcho2569#0000 thats mean i can only trade at the markets [30-Apr-25 08:18 AM] laaxus#0000 yes [30-Apr-25 08:18 AM] mrponcho2569#0000 ok nice to know [30-Apr-25 08:18 AM] mrponcho2569#0000 thats change everything ^^ [30-Apr-25 08:21 AM] mrponcho2569#0000 i have to uprgrade only one month, after this, i heard you go back to basic and not to free [30-Apr-25 08:21 AM] mrponcho2569#0000 so i have to pay only once [30-Apr-25 08:21 AM] laaxus#0000 exact [30-Apr-25 09:47 AM] laaxus#0000 @loans_13178 #prun-resources {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [30-Apr-25 09:47 AM] laaxus#0000 first link [30-Apr-25 09:47 AM] laaxus#0000 for rprun [30-Apr-25 10:11 AM] brelov#0000 Is HER still overpriced? ofc it is [30-Apr-25 10:36 AM] jcheung#0000 it's coming down now [30-Apr-25 10:37 AM] jcheung#0000 woh [30-Apr-25 10:37 AM] jcheung#0000 someone traded 1551 @ 500/u? [30-Apr-25 10:37 AM] jcheung#0000 no bids left {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1367162984832696481/image.png?ex=6814e6c0&is=68139540&hm=3b93a60fb4e27f928e2536748677856370a89882bab6a2792c9ee985ca9de730& [30-Apr-25 10:37 AM] jcheung#0000 damn [30-Apr-25 10:42 AM] laaxus#0000 at first, I was thinking of refining my HER stockpile [30-Apr-25 10:42 AM] laaxus#0000 but I'll just sell it as it is [30-Apr-25 10:47 AM] realharvey#0000 HER is currently sitting at about 70k profit per day with ASK/ASK settings. So its currently well priced. [30-Apr-25 10:48 AM] laaxus#0000 with HER at 4k or at 3k ? [30-Apr-25 10:48 AM] realharvey#0000 3k [30-Apr-25 10:48 AM] laaxus#0000 it was 4k 10s ago {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [30-Apr-25 10:48 AM] laaxus#0000 I put my stock of HER on sale [30-Apr-25 10:48 AM] realharvey#0000 looking at the graph it looked more like its been selling slightly over 3k in the last couple of days [30-Apr-25 10:50 AM] realharvey#0000 currently a lot of bases do 100k per day, so there is still some room in the price trend upwards before it could be considered expensive for its price [30-Apr-25 11:00 AM] jhyn.#0000 Quick newbie question, is flying with a full tank less efficient than flying with only the fuel you need (like more mass -> more fuel consumed)? [30-Apr-25 11:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 there is barely a difference [30-Apr-25 11:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 noticable difference only occurs when you have thousands of tons of stuff [30-Apr-25 11:03 AM] jhyn.#0000 alrighty, so no need to bother counting how much fuel you need, thanks [30-Apr-25 11:04 AM] laaxus#0000 actually, you should always try to fly with tank full [30-Apr-25 11:05 AM] laaxus#0000 because having a ship stranded is quite unpleasant [30-Apr-25 11:22 AM] realharvey#0000 It also prevents you from: whoops I have no money for fuel [30-Apr-25 11:39 AM] jcheung#0000 With the starter ship, even full/empty cargo bay isn't enough to matter. The engine is strong enough to be limited by Gs rather than power. [30-Apr-25 11:40 AM] jcheung#0000 At larger ship scales, a fully loaded ship has so much mass that your fuel tanks won't make a huge differencr [30-Apr-25 11:41 AM] jcheung#0000 That said, the sliders are based off of how much fuel you have on the tank, so if you want to add a few hours to your travel and save some fuel because you're going to be sleeping [30-Apr-25 11:41 AM] jcheung#0000 You can put some fuel aside to be able to access a lower range [30-Apr-25 11:42 AM] jcheung#0000 There's still going to be a minimum you hit eventually, but it's going to be lower than that of a full tank [30-Apr-25 11:42 AM] jcheung#0000 ...hope you understood that [30-Apr-25 12:02 PM] jab.sh#0000 real note for later, do a currency exchange with someone you know instead of the FX ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [30-Apr-25 12:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m happy to do 1:1 exchanges for most currencies - you can just send me contracts for amounts under 1M {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [30-Apr-25 12:05 PM] laaxus#0000 would you trade me 5M ICA to AIC ? @sidepipe {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1367185007931818095/image.png?ex=6814fb42&is=6813a9c2&hm=be58f819bb9084e1aab284ec9dc0d48aa25967ef8e4e14ab5d32187ba92db739& [30-Apr-25 12:07 PM] potaterror#0000 On that note, if you see me on the FX I'm pretty much always going to be willing to do the listed amount at 1:1 off the exchange. [30-Apr-25 12:07 PM] potaterror#0000 I pretty well only post FX orders for sums I don't need to move with any speed to turn a little profit on it. [30-Apr-25 12:10 PM] potaterror#0000 You got enough on hand to do 2M CIS -> NCC? [30-Apr-25 12:10 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yep Iโ€™ll fill it in a bit (or send me CONTS!) [30-Apr-25 12:10 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yes, send me CONTS ๐Ÿ™‚ [30-Apr-25 12:20 PM] laaxus#0000 i'd appreciate if you could fill it, please [30-Apr-25 12:28 PM] laaxus#0000 @igfloz are you a MB producer ? ๐Ÿค” [30-Apr-25 12:34 PM] igfloz#0000 I was - selling off my stock [30-Apr-25 12:36 PM] igfloz#0000 Think I'll be putting everything I produced onto the CX, maybe have decent sum to donate to ADI [30-Apr-25 12:43 PM] laaxus#0000 :Sadge: ok then [30-Apr-25 12:49 PM] realharvey#0000 always sad to see people go :( But we'll keep the glory of antares alive [30-Apr-25 01:26 PM] brelov#0000 That was me Went from 7.03 million to about 750k [30-Apr-25 01:31 PM] jab.sh#0000 don't forget AA ๐Ÿ‘€ [30-Apr-25 01:33 PM] igfloz#0000 Hmmmm... there is that I suppose ๐Ÿค” [30-Apr-25 01:33 PM] jab.sh#0000 we miss you โค๏ธ [30-Apr-25 01:36 PM] jab.sh#0000 you guys like to target 50k/day for a base right? and is that revenue or profit? and I assume that's a minimum, some bases can go quite a bit higher? man I feel like a noob even though I've been playing a year now ๐Ÿ˜† [30-Apr-25 01:37 PM] jhyn.#0000 Yeah, that was pretty clear, it's actually a good trick. It's hard to aim for a 30-minute window when your tank is full. [30-Apr-25 01:54 PM] jcheung#0000 I used to do it a lot early on, but it pretty quickly becomes less worth doing the longer you play [30-Apr-25 01:55 PM] jcheung#0000 (In fact a few people thought i was crazy for doing it) {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [30-Apr-25 01:56 PM] jab.sh#0000 compared to not repairing your ships, which we know you're crazy for not doing ๐Ÿ˜› [30-Apr-25 01:56 PM] jcheung#0000 What a steal. Can probably do an instant flip and get up to 20m easy [30-Apr-25 01:57 PM] brelov#0000 once done deal tho, I deconstructed everything I have [30-Apr-25 01:57 PM] jcheung#0000 Profit, ideally. I also go a step farther and if it's multi base, i average it based off the sellable goods [30-Apr-25 01:58 PM] jcheung#0000 Wait maybe I'm misunderstanding, did you buy or sell that? [30-Apr-25 01:58 PM] brelov#0000 I bought for 7 million, filled all the orders then sold the rest for 500 [30-Apr-25 01:59 PM] jcheung#0000 Oh [30-Apr-25 01:59 PM] jcheung#0000 Are you retiring? [30-Apr-25 02:00 PM] brelov#0000 ye, feels like a chore after maxing two bases [30-Apr-25 02:00 PM] jcheung#0000 Ah [30-Apr-25 02:00 PM] jcheung#0000 Gotcha. [30-Apr-25 02:00 PM] jcheung#0000 Sorry to see you go [30-Apr-25 02:00 PM] brelov#0000 is what it is. Cared enough to put all the materials back onto the market {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) ๐Ÿ‘† โค๏ธ [30-Apr-25 02:01 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ‘ [30-Apr-25 02:02 PM] jab.sh#0000 we definitely appreciate that, thanks for not just taking all your liquidity with you! ๐Ÿ˜† [30-Apr-25 02:04 PM] brelov#0000 and maybe newer player got lucky with low low prices [30-Apr-25 02:04 PM] brelov#0000 still got a couple thousand tho, so doing water until it's done. [30-Apr-25 02:06 PM] jcheung#0000 Tbh i doubt too many new players got it [30-Apr-25 02:07 PM] jcheung#0000 Sadly most bids/asks are from well established people-ties up a lot of money to have them {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [30-Apr-25 02:07 PM] brelov#0000 eh either way Antares stronk [30-Apr-25 02:07 PM] jcheung#0000 Aye [30-Apr-25 02:19 PM] brelov#0000 o7 [30-Apr-25 02:21 PM] laaxus#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [30-Apr-25 02:22 PM] igfloz#0000 oh, he went already ! [30-Apr-25 10:57 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 :( [01-May-25 02:33 AM] vanarazor#0000 is there a way to re arrange your ships order in your FLT buffer? [01-May-25 03:51 AM] vanarazor#0000 Dude there is no way you can't move the order of your ship!!! I can't believe it does not bother anyone to have ships mixed and no way to sort them [01-May-25 03:58 AM] realharvey#0000 It annoys me way more than you think ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚ [01-May-25 03:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 its in order of construction right? [01-May-25 03:59 AM] vanarazor#0000 While it does not sounds like much, I do think that being able to sort out your ship in your FLT buffer should be available. Either being able to sort them: - alphabetically - type - distance from a certain points - fuel left in the tank - integrity - manually (for a specific group) [01-May-25 04:00 AM] realharvey#0000 I hate that I cant sort it by Cargo {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1367425449113686088/image.png?ex=681489b0&is=68133830&hm=e00bec2d5410c604a1f19d4b8e49a0ecd826a32a2d068e0e36fc43722f343daf& [01-May-25 04:01 AM] vanarazor#0000 Jesus, Merry frickin christmas!!! [01-May-25 04:01 AM] vanarazor#0000 That is un healthy [01-May-25 04:02 AM] vanarazor#0000 hum @realharvey Harvey ? [01-May-25 04:02 AM] vanarazor#0000 can we talk about the red numbers?? [01-May-25 04:02 AM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/haha-funny-laughing-spit-spit-take-gif-1726961198271235181 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/haha-funny-laughing-spit-spit-take-gif-1726961198271235181 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/xEEp9V0gRCS3XDX3YS0dn1TwzmepzSWmBF_0Uy5GGdY/https/media.tenor.com/F_dmD1vXBG0AAAAe/haha-funny.png [01-May-25 04:03 AM] realharvey#0000 it doesn't really matter when you can just add more ships to your fleet [01-May-25 04:03 AM] realharvey#0000 I have 2 more 5k/5k and 2 more 3k/1k ordered [01-May-25 04:03 AM] realharvey#0000 and the slow down from reparis [01-May-25 04:03 AM] realharvey#0000 not so important [01-May-25 04:05 AM] vanarazor#0000 Ok I trust you if you say so, [01-May-25 05:19 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Those numbers are really tame tbh [01-May-25 05:20 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Somebody came up with like less then 10% or so [01-May-25 05:30 AM] laaxus#0000 @razenpok do you think we could configure ourselves the color for the ship repair ? [01-May-25 05:33 AM] razenpok#0000 Why do you want to configure it? [01-May-25 05:36 AM] laaxus#0000 I don't believe 80% is worthy of red [01-May-25 05:36 AM] laaxus#0000 I would personally put 80-100% to green 65-80 to yellow and <65 to red [01-May-25 05:37 AM] laaxus#0000 not a big deal tho [01-May-25 05:37 AM] razenpok#0000 Why these numbers? [01-May-25 05:37 AM] laaxus#0000 personnal preference [01-May-25 05:37 AM] laaxus#0000 in short, I don't repair a ship above 80% [01-May-25 05:38 AM] laaxus#0000 so going from fine to "YOU NEED TO REPAIR IT" in 1d feels abrupt [01-May-25 05:38 AM] laaxus#0000 again, not a big deal [01-May-25 05:38 AM] razenpok#0000 idk, currently yellow = will start to slow down soon red = experiencing a slowdown [01-May-25 05:38 AM] laaxus#0000 ikik [01-May-25 05:40 AM] razenpok#0000 What might be better is to figure out the condition-slowdown curve and lerp between yellow and red according to it [01-May-25 05:41 AM] razenpok#0000 So it starts at 80% yellow, goes through orange somewhere in the middle, and ends up in red at 0% {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [01-May-25 05:41 AM] razenpok#0000 Or maybe it's a dumb idea [01-May-25 05:46 AM] razenpok#0000 Btw what do you mean by > going from fine to "YOU NEED TO REPAIR IT" in 1d feels abrupt Currently it changes to yellow at 85%, and to red at 80%. Going through 5% of the ship condition takes much more than a day, no? [01-May-25 05:51 AM] laaxus#0000 in my head, above 80% is fine, don't care but red is associated with urgent/bad [01-May-25 05:51 AM] laaxus#0000 it's just monkey brains things [01-May-25 05:57 AM] realharvey#0000 I agree that 80% is a little harsh for being red [01-May-25 05:57 AM] realharvey#0000 But I also forgot that I could just turn it off [01-May-25 07:43 AM] pxlfox.#0000 finally reached 100m equity ๐Ÿฅณ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249178156089374/1367481563301810278/image.png?ex=6814bdf3&is=68136c73&hm=30fb7679adc2e9449289f9ec3177fbf5f49911f88faf70d73e5077c7d9c0b029& {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (3) danceboi (2) [01-May-25 07:45 AM] laaxus#0000 congrats ! [01-May-25 07:45 AM] pxlfox.#0000 thanks ๐Ÿ˜Š [01-May-25 07:46 AM] pxlfox.#0000 took me 231 days [01-May-25 08:12 AM] realharvey#0000 good progress! [01-May-25 08:12 AM] realharvey#0000 line must go up [01-May-25 08:56 AM] laaxus#0000 @shipyards I heavily recommend to install Refined prun and use prunplanner, if you don't already [01-May-25 08:56 AM] shipyards#0000 I use prun planner and better prun browser extension [01-May-25 08:56 AM] jcheung#0000 not familiar with prun browser extension [01-May-25 08:57 AM] shipyards#0000 it just adds some QOL to the game when using the browser version [01-May-25 08:57 AM] shipyards#0000 its called "PMMG extended" [01-May-25 08:57 AM] jcheung#0000 rprun is its replacement [01-May-25 08:57 AM] laaxus#0000 ah yes [01-May-25 08:57 AM] jcheung#0000 pmmg is depreciated [01-May-25 08:57 AM] laaxus#0000 Refined Prun is pmmg but better [01-May-25 08:57 AM] shipyards#0000 ah okay [01-May-25 08:57 AM] shipyards#0000 thx ill switch to that [01-May-25 08:58 AM] jcheung#0000 should be an easy transition too [01-May-25 08:58 AM] jcheung#0000 that being said, pmmg is better than nothing ๐Ÿ˜„ [01-May-25 08:58 AM] laaxus#0000 if you ever want to take a look at our grant program, it's #agp-information #agp-operations [01-May-25 08:59 AM] shipyards#0000 thats pretty neat, i like the backgrounds on the items [01-May-25 08:59 AM] laaxus#0000 no obligation no pressure however [01-May-25 08:59 AM] laaxus#0000 RPrun is that much better {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [01-May-25 08:59 AM] jcheung#0000 you probably don't have enough playtime to spot all the differences, but it's a lot deeper than the images ๐Ÿ˜„ [01-May-25 09:00 AM] jcheung#0000 here's a useful one. `xit burn_all` [01-May-25 09:01 AM] shipyards#0000 ive been playing for 3 years, just restarted recently though cuz i hadn't played in 5 months {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [01-May-25 09:01 AM] jcheung#0000 `xit repairs`, `xit contracts`, `xit contc` are also useful {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [01-May-25 09:01 AM] laaxus#0000 xit finpr, xit finch, xit finbs [01-May-25 09:01 AM] jcheung#0000 eh [01-May-25 09:01 AM] jcheung#0000 i should use those more [01-May-25 09:03 AM] shipyards#0000 could i get the grant approved for a base near Moria? I have a friend over there thats new to the game and i'd like to have a base next to him [01-May-25 09:03 AM] laaxus#0000 no, the grant is exclusively to develop antares [01-May-25 09:04 AM] shipyards#0000 Aight i figured [01-May-25 09:04 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But there is a grant program in Moria, too, isnโ€™t there? [01-May-25 09:04 AM] pxlfox.#0000 You could ask those people [01-May-25 09:04 AM] shipyards#0000 yeah I might, i'd rather stick with antares, i've always played in ANT space {Reactions} antares_initiative (3) [01-May-25 09:05 AM] laaxus#0000 no [01-May-25 09:05 AM] laaxus#0000 I keep hearing about it [01-May-25 09:05 AM] laaxus#0000 but never saw any ad [01-May-25 09:05 AM] laaxus#0000 or anything tbh [01-May-25 09:06 AM] tanda#0000 I've been calling out that fact in global chats periodically [01-May-25 09:06 AM] tanda#0000 I heard someone from GTU tell me they were "working on it" [01-May-25 09:06 AM] tanda#0000 but that's the last I heard about it {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [01-May-25 09:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Ah, wait. Moria is Hortus? [01-May-25 09:06 AM] tanda#0000 It's the richest region with the oldest players and somehow they don't have any programs set up [01-May-25 09:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 What region is BEST again? [01-May-25 09:07 AM] laaxus#0000 benten [01-May-25 09:07 AM] tanda#0000 Hortus has the IDA now, run by COSM [01-May-25 09:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Ah, right [01-May-25 09:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 So Moria are the yellow ones, arenโ€™t they? [01-May-25 09:08 AM] jcheung#0000 it goes MOR | BEN HRT | ANT {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ โค๏ธ [01-May-25 09:08 AM] pxlfox.#0000 After nearly a year, I never left Antares space tbh ๐Ÿ˜… ๐Ÿ˜‚ [01-May-25 09:08 AM] shipyards#0000 Could i get like a half grant to just double my current base? it makes RAT, KOM, and COF [01-May-25 09:09 AM] laaxus#0000 that's something to talk in #agp-operations but that seems perfectly doable {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [01-May-25 09:10 AM] tanda#0000 I'm not going to say "same" because of Malahat, but my focus is almost entirely ANT, with maybe later expansions being targeted at BEN space [01-May-25 09:12 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Yeah, I have an IDC base in Malahat I hope to decommission after the update ๐Ÿ˜… but itโ€™s completely disconnected from my empire and is managed via contracts to allocator ๐Ÿ˜‚ [01-May-25 09:14 AM] shipyards#0000 aight i put my base plans in #agp-operations [01-May-25 12:10 PM] jab.sh#0000 so are you saying if I move some fuel from fuel tanks to cargo, it will let me use less fuel (the slider can go lower)? [01-May-25 12:10 PM] jcheung#0000 yes [01-May-25 12:11 PM] jcheung#0000 to a degree [01-May-25 12:11 PM] jab.sh#0000 that's dumb [01-May-25 01:08 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 deprecated*** [01-May-25 01:12 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 it escapes me too. It also feels like MOR has no "group" of people [01-May-25 01:12 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 MOR feels hollow ๐Ÿ˜… [01-May-25 01:13 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 like Hortus has Cosmocene and IDA, Antares has ADI, AA, etc. Benten has BEST, KAWA, FIOC, what about MOR? [01-May-25 01:16 PM] mevnav#0000 Yet more relevant conversation to my plan to moving to Antares. I was in the main PRUN server and heard that there was basically no new-player initiatives in MOR and was like "Wait that's where I am" [01-May-25 01:18 PM] mevnav#0000 idk why nobody has set one up in that corner yet {Reactions} ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿผโ€โ™€๏ธ [01-May-25 01:25 PM] jab.sh#0000 kawa is BEN? huh [01-May-25 01:26 PM] laaxus#0000 that's because only ***MAJOR*** region have one ๐Ÿ˜„ [01-May-25 01:46 PM] sidepipe#0000 MOR is the true free market. Just a ton of individuals who donโ€™t cooperate with each other at all ๐Ÿ˜„ [01-May-25 01:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Benten also has a great grant program [01-May-25 01:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 lowstrife could probably monopolise in so many markets [01-May-25 01:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 or he already has perhaps [01-May-25 01:47 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 i didn't check ============================================================== Exported 30,086 message(s) ==============================================================